Texas School Board Chairman Endorses Book Calling Pro-Evolution Parents ‘Monsters’

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We’ve had several posts about the chairman of the Texas State Board of Education, Don McLeroy, a dentist and young earth creationist who is doing his best to drag science education in Texas back into the Dark Ages, with help from the deceptive propagandists at the Discovery Institute. In an especially Orwellian touch, they’re calling this effort “academic freedom.”

This week the Texas Freedom Network revealed another McLeroy outrage, a glowing recommendation of a completely insane creationist tract: What Does Don McLeroy Really Want to Teach?

Scientists are “atheists.” Parents who want to teach their children about evolution are “monsters.” Pastors who support sound science are “morons.”

Is that the sort of message Chairman Don McLeroy and his cohorts on the State Board of Education have in mind for Texas science classrooms if they succeed in their campaign to shoehorn “weaknesses” of evolution back into the science curriculum standards? That’s certainly the message of a new book McLeroy is now endorsing.

Dr. McLeroy – noting his position as board chair – recently wrote a glowing recommendation of Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences’ Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They’re Descended from Reptiles by Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. (The new book is self-published.) The chairman clearly likes what he reads:

In critiquing the National Academy of Science’s (NAS) missionary evolution tract—Science, Evolution and Creationism, 2008, he identifies their theft of true science by their intentional neglect of other valid scientific possibilities. Then, using NAS’s own statements, he demonstrates that the great “process” of evolution—natural selection—is nothing more than a figure of speech. These chapters alone are worth the reading of this book.

Curious to know what Johnson envisions - and McLeroy endorses - as a proper science education? You can read the full tome for yourself online. Or if you don’t have the time (or the stomach) to explore the full treatise, we have compiled a few choice selections that give you the flavor. Remember, this could well be coming soon to a public school science class near you if evolution opponents on the state board get their way next week.

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908 comments
1 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:38:29pm

Is this for real? Are these people for serious? They sound like the freaking taliban.

2 PaxAmericana  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:38:36pm

::heavy sigh::

3 Athens Runaway  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:38:48pm

Stinky's feeling bored tonight?

4 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:39:38pm

I'm an atheist, a monster and a moron....overload, I gotta think about this a minute

5 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:39:55pm

Was this clown appointed by Perry or elected?

6 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:40:37pm

Paging Clarence Darrow.

7 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:40:49pm

Don McLeroy and his ilk are frakking morons....

8 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:41:23pm

Okay, I'm a monster.

I want may kids to master science and not be hindered in looking for good jobs by a lack of scientific knowledge.

9 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:42:07pm

I find this line of nonsense disappointing, considering this is the country that first discovered powered flight and put the first and only man on the moon.

10 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:42:11pm

I am a proud evo-athiest!

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:42:28pm

re: #5 funky chicken

Was this clown appointed by Perry or elected?

He was appointed by Rick Perry and recently reappointed despite this controversy.

This is the GOP's big problem.

12 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:42:49pm

I call a nice even #250 for our first meltdown; and I call #175 for our first troll.

13 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:43:02pm

re: #6 doppelganglander

Paging Clarence Darrow.

You wouldn't want him on the case. He was in tight with the Chicago Dems in his day. If he came back, he'd be in the tank for Obama.

14 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:43:15pm
(The new book is self-published.)

My, my. A vanity press.

15 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:43:25pm

Marathon Man strikes again!

16 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:14pm

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but this is starting to piss me off a little. It's been entertaining up to now and I love watching irony and idiocy, but this is ridiculous.

17 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:28pm

re: #12 Zimriel

I call a nice even #250 for our first meltdown; and I call #175 for our first troll.

First troll (avanti and SpaceJesus don't count): 115

First Meltdown: 198

18 VioletTiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:38pm

Okay, monster here, and niece of an evolution-supporting priest (moron). Got any more names you want to call people, Don?

19 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:44pm

re: #10 albusteve

I am a proud evo-athiest!

YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!

I tell you this because I love you.

////

20 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:44pm

This also deliciously belongs in The Onion.

'Tis a wonder....people ask me what I read, and ask me about the latest literary hits....and I tell'em I am all about the news, history, and biography. The truth is a lot funnier.

21 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:44pm

Dr. Christian Szell strikes again!

22 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:44:48pm

If a man kept showing up at the police station, insisting that a crime had occurred, but could not say specifically what had happened, or how, where, why, or when it happened, he’d be charged with filing a false report. Darwinism is, and always has been, a false report. Its evidence-lacking insistence on this point is just a small part of what makes Darwinism a philosophy of science, and not science itself.

23 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:45:44pm

re: #22 albusteve

from the link

24 Spider Mensch  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:46:01pm

Why do I read this and keep seeing that big furry monster, wearing sneakers,from Bugs Bunny? this guy..Image: w83946477.jpg

"monsters are such interesting people..."

25 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:46:03pm

Sounds like the book could have been ghost written by Ben Stein.

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.

27 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:46:15pm

Let's do make a Bible class and teach the controversy. Keep faith in the church and reason in the schools though. Did the virgin birth really occur? or was it a misinterpretation of the vague written records? If people are allowed to speak freely and all views are represented, Bible Literalist's will achieve such a tongue lashing.

I do see atheist literature expounding evolution as the nail in the coffin to religion. These atheist's = those creationist's. They don't have room for each other, so make them live together.

28 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:46:46pm

re: #22 albusteve

Huh? I would think creationism is the false report.

29 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:47:08pm

re: #16 BigPapa

Maybe I'm just having a bad day, but this is starting to piss me off a little. It's been entertaining up to now and I love watching irony and idiocy, but this is ridiculous.

It's starting to be a burr under my saddle, too.

30 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:47:25pm

re: #23 albusteve

Oh... thank God. Wait, I'm an atheist. Dammit. Wait, I can't dammit...

31 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:47:35pm

re: #11 Charles

He was appointed by Rick Perry and recently reappointed despite this controversy.

This is the GOP's big problem.

just beyond depressing

another reason I'm hoping and praying for a resurgence of sane Democrats by 2012. ugh

32 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:48:11pm

In accord with my definition of science, we try to the best of our ability to let nature and the cosmos speak for themselves. In regard to what is happening on this earth, we try to let the structure and events of nature lead us where they will.

33 WhiteRasta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:48:15pm

re: #22 albusteve

I disagree with you there. There is plenty of evidence to support Darwin.

34 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:48:16pm

re: #31 funky chicken

just beyond depressing

another reason I'm hoping and praying for a resurgence of sane Democrats by 2012. ugh

Sane Democrat...... you'll see a dinosaur sooner.

35 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:48:28pm

re: #23 albusteve

from the link

You scared me there for a moment.

36 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:48:38pm

re: #25 HelloDare

Bueller?...............Bueller?...............Bueller?...............

37 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:49:04pm

Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences’ Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They’re Descended from Reptiles!

OK, this confirms things.

a) McLeroy is certifiable.
b) Creationists are certifiable.

38 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:49:12pm

re: #19 jcm

YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!

I tell you this because I love you.

////

thanks alot....love stinks

39 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:49:42pm

re: #25 HelloDare

Ben Stein can go piss up a rope. Same for the yahoos in Texas.

40 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:49:54pm

From the comments:

# Wen Says:
March 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm

I can think of no better proof against creationism than the current chairman of the Texas Board of Education. Would God really ever create an ignoramus in His likeness?

LOL

41 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:50:10pm

re: #12 Zimriel

I call a nice even #250 for our first meltdown; and I call #175 for our first troll.

I think we're going to see an early meltdown. Before #100. It's been a tough week and people are wound up. The socialist War on Bonuses has the conservatives in a snit these days.

42 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:50:16pm

The author Robert Johnson Godwins his argument in the first two paragraphs:

Imagine yourself standing in the administrative offices of your local junior high school. You are there to bring a forgotten lunch to one of your children. Two tall, forbidding men enter wearing black business suits with red-letter NAS (National Academy of Sciences) armbands. They sneer and brush past you. They ignore the receptionist and the other people working there, and head straight for the principal’s office. Just as the startled educator looks up at the intruders, both slam their fists on his desk. In unison, they cry, “We represent infallible science. You must teach these children that they are descended from reptiles. It is impossible to disprove our findings, and wrong to challenge them; therefore, no other point of view will be tolerated.”

When these men disregard you again on their way out, you follow and yell down the hall, “What evidence do you have that we are descended from reptiles?” They reply, “We don’t need any evidence. All we have to do is say we have it in abundance. We are the philosopher kings of science.”
[Link: solvinglight.com...]

Science Nazis. What a load.

43 Orangutan  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:50:35pm

re: #39 pingjockey

....Same for the yahoos in Texas.

Dude.

Dude.

44 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:50:56pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I think we're going to see an early meltdown. Before #100. It's been a tough week and people are wound up. The socialist War on Bonuses has the conservatives in a snit these days.

Yeah, I noticed a certain "hair trigger" thing going on down below.

45 rightwinger3  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:51:08pm

re: #31 funky chicken

just beyond depressing

another reason I'm hoping and praying for a resurgence of sane Democrats by 2012. ugh

Good Luck!

46 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:51:16pm

re: #37 Gus 802

Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences’ Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They’re Descended from Reptiles!

OK, this confirms things.

a) McLeroy is certifiable.
b) Creationists are certifiable.

Not all creationists are certifiable. One's private beliefs do not mean that one wants to teach religion in a science class.

47 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:51:17pm

re: #42 jaunte

Whatta maroon!

48 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:51:49pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Not all creationists are certifiable. One's private beliefs do not mean that one wants to teach religion in a science class.

Yeah, I know. I can't always say the right thing 24/7.

49 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:51:51pm

re: #43 Orangutan

Just the yahoos supporting this bs!

50 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:52:39pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Yeah, I know. I can't always say the right thing 24/7.

Welcome to the club!

51 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:52:52pm

re: #38 albusteve

thanks alot....love stinks

LOL!

re: #32 albusteve

In accord with my definition of science, we try to the best of our ability to let nature and the cosmos speak for themselves. In regard to what is happening on this earth, we try to let the structure and events of nature lead us where they will.

From my perspective as a Bible believing Christian. I would argue that the Bible itself supports that point of view. However, many of the Creationist don't seem to haven't read past, the "God created..." part.

52 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:53:13pm

re: #50 MandyManners

Welcome to the club!

Oh the humanity! ;)

//

53 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:53:16pm

re: #47 pingjockey

Nice of him to set up the driving fantasy right up front.

54 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:54:01pm

OK, I feel a little better after a Breaking Onion News Report. Who sez news isn't happy?

55 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #42 jaunte

The author Robert Johnson Godwins his argument in the first two paragraphs:

Science Nazis. What a load.

Next thing you know, they'll want to teach that all the worlds languages did not start at Babel, or that the sun does not go around the earth./s

56 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:54:17pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I think we're going to see an early meltdown. Before #100. It's been a tough week and people are wound up. The socialist War on Bonuses has the conservatives in a snit these days.

Hah! There is clearly no intelligence behind bonuses, bailouts or stimulus, that much should be patently obvious!

57 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:54:47pm

re: #34 jcm

Sane Democrat...... you'll see a dinosaur sooner.

Well, there are a few. Jim Marshall of Georgia is one. The current governor of Oklahoma is a democrat, and he signed one of the early anti-illegal immigrant laws and is pro-gun and I would guess is sane on energy issues too since Oklahoma has all that natural gas.

The problem with the two parties is that in most of the country the nuts have taken over the party apparatus from the ground up. So the GOP has all these creationists and anti-abortion fanatics and the donks have ... shudder ... Pelosi groupies.

58 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:54:59pm

re: #53 jaunte

We, the human race, must be a great disappointment to the supreme being. It gave us brains, but the vast majority use them for frakkin' hat racks.

59 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:55:27pm

re: #55 avanti

Next thing you know, they'll want to teach that all the worlds languages did not start at Babel, or that the sun does not go around the earth./s

No, it's Turtles all the way down. And I'll keep repeating myself till everyone agrees with me.

Turtles.
Turtles.
Turtles.
.......

60 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:55:28pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Oh the humanity! ;)

//

Don't let a stimulus package distract you!

61 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:55:58pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I think we're going to see an early meltdown. Before #100. It's been a tough week and people are wound up. The socialist War on Bonuses has the conservatives in a snit these days.

backhanded slapola?....these people are not political conservatives I identify with...they construe the term if that's what they call themselves

62 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:56:17pm

re: #57 funky chicken

Well, there are a few. Jim Marshall of Georgia is one. The current governor of Oklahoma is a democrat, and he signed one of the early anti-illegal immigrant laws and is pro-gun and I would guess is sane on energy issues too since Oklahoma has all that natural gas.

The problem with the two parties is that in most of the country the nuts have taken over the party apparatus from the ground up. So the GOP has all these creationists and anti-abortion fanatics and the donks have ... shudder ... Pelosi groupies.

Let's call the whole thing off.......

Throw the Bastards out, every last one of them.

63 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:56:20pm

re: #42 jaunte

The author Robert Johnson Godwins his argument in the first two paragraphs:

Science Nazis. What a load.

Good Lord.

64 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:56:24pm

re: #59 jcm

I already told you there is an aardvark in there!

65 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:56:25pm

re: #60 hazzyday

Don't let a stimulus package distract you!

Still waiting for stimulus check!

//

66 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #64 pingjockey

I already told you there is an aardvark in there!

HERETIC!

67 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:57:32pm

re: #65 Gus 802

I just want my damn Zionist cabal check!

68 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:57:38pm

A sinister scheme to teach our children that we descended from reptiles!

That's too funny.

69 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:57:54pm

re: #66 jcm

Aardvarkist!

70 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:58:38pm

re: #64 pingjockey

Hey Ping!

Think they need a new pingjockey on the either the USS Hartford or the USS New Orleans?

71 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:59:00pm

BBIAB

72 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:59:32pm

re: #69 pingjockey

Aardvarkist!

I'm a Turtle purist!

*nose in the air*

73 pingjockey  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:59:41pm

re: #70 jcm

New Orleans doesn't have sonar! So someone on the sub is in very deep shit!

74 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:59:45pm

re: #34 jcm

Sane Democrat...... you'll see a dinosaur sooner.

Even Lieberman drank the kool-aid.

75 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 6:59:46pm

re: #55 avanti

Next thing you know, they'll want to teach that all the worlds languages did not start at Babel, or that the sun does not go around the earth./s

They might actually try that. As far as they see, if it's in the Bible its must be literally true. Anything and anyone that does not line up with the biblical text has been sent by Satan. Bad, bad, sick.

76 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:00:34pm

re: #73 pingjockey

New Orleans doesn't have sonar! So someone on the sub is in very deep shit!

And a few Captains, and Officer of Deck.......

77 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:01:54pm

Sarah Palin reminds me of Harry Truman, and I think John McCain saw a lot of Teddy Roosevelt in her. Truman was a democrat and Roosevelt was a progressive Republican (before the leftists stole progressive).

oh well, who knows what we'll have to choose from in 2010 and 2012. I just don't have terribly high hopes for the GOP because most of the politicians have had to come up through the ranks that are controlled by the religious right.

Here's a guy that deserves a look though:

[Link: www.daveevansforcongress.com...]

hopefully he's not a creationist.

78 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:01:55pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

They might actually try that. As far as they see, if it's in the Bible its must be literally true. Anything and anyone that does not line up with the biblical text has been sent by Satan. Bad, bad, sick.

Teach the Controversy!

79 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:02:02pm

This any better?

OK, this confirms things.

a) McLeroy is certifiable.
b) Young Earth Creationist Groupies are certifiable.

80 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:02:13pm

re: #63 funky chicken

It's painful reading, that book. Here's one of the author's key points.
All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

On a full page, the NAS book draws special attention to a letter signed by more than 10,000 “Christian” clergy members who have welcomed molecules-to-man evolution into their churches. The headline at the top of the page reads: “Excerpts of Statements by Religious Leaders Who See No Conflict Between Their Faith and Science.” By “Science,” of course, they mean evo-atheism.

The obvious problem here is that it is simply not possible to be a Christian in any meaningful sense of the word, and at the same time, embrace the tenets of atheistic evolution. On His Father’s side, the Scriptures refer to Jesus Christ as the “Son of God.” On His mother’s side, the Scriptures refer to Him as the “Son of Man,” not as the son of reptiles. Christ maintained that the Word of God is truth. Evo-atheism contradicts the Word of God. How can one have any kind of faith in a Christ who lies about the inspiration of the Scriptures by God, and lies about his descent from Adam through Noah?

And yet, as of this writing, 1,500 more “Christian” clergy members have signed this letter that is the centerpiece of The Clergy Letter Project.[Link: solvinglight.com...]

81 eon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:02:37pm

re: #42 jaunte

The author Robert Johnson Godwins his argument in the first two paragraphs:

Science Nazis. What a load.

Sounds distinctly like the mindset of the IDiots and Creationists themseleves, actually.

"We have the Scripture. It clearly states that we are right. We are not required to prove it, and doing so is denying faith and is therefore blasphemous."

Can you say "projection"?

In case you haven't guessed, I grew up in a family of hard-core Creationists. My mother was the only exception, the rest being either (a) the elders, who were fanatical on the subject of religion or (b) the rest, who were too scared to contradict same after a generation's worth of browbeating. Hilariously, they were all also FDR/LBJ "New Deal" Dems, and saw no contradiction between Christianity and revolutionary socialism. (I thought this was merely an aberration confined to my family, until I learned about the Maryknoll movement and "revolution theology.")

The fact that I rejected both of their sacred cows, political and spiritual, is why after my mother's passing, the lot of them cut me dead and to this day do not acknowledge my existence.

Fine by me.

If they lived in TX, as opposed to southern OH and northern WV, I guarantee you they'd be in this McLeroy nit's corner.

/He may be a Republican, but they'd "overlook" that on "moral" grounds.

cheers

eon

82 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:02:38pm

Hey, avanti, what's your take on the recent spate of US naval mishaps?

83 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:02:58pm

re: #78 jcm

Teach the Controversy!

Es el demonio!

84 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:03:22pm

re: #55 avanti

Next thing you know, they'll want to teach that all the worlds languages did not start at Babel, or that the sun does not go around the earth./s

and that the Grand Canyon formed in a couple of hundred years, etc

85 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:03:30pm

re: #79 Gus 802

This any better?

OK, this confirms things.

a) McLeroy is certifiable.
b) Young Earth Creationist Groupies are certifiable.

Much better. Upding.

86 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #76 jcm

And a few Captains, and Officer of Deck.......

Thank God they got a Poop deck...:)


/S

87 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:03:45pm

What a mess.

I believe we were created... but not in six days, and not by the "Let there be..." method. I think God put all the building blocks in place and let things develop. So I guess I just irritate *both* sides. :(

And in honor of the ending of Battlestar Galactica: FRAK!

88 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:03:56pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Much better. Upding.

Thank you. :)

89 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:04:44pm

re: #55 avanti

Next thing you know, they'll want to teach that all the worlds languages did not start at Babel, or that the sun does not go around the earth./s

On a much more interesting note, it has been shown that the Romance languages, the Persian language, and Hindi share a common ancestral language: The Indo-European language. True to all scientific history, the actually truths are much more wonderful and vast than the stories many societies have used to explain such phenomena.

90 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:05:20pm

The whole premise of that "Sowing Atheism:..." book is that abiogenesis and evolution are one in the same things. To the author, accepting any part of evolutionary science means you must also buy into the highly speculative theories about how life first started. No separating the two concepts. Take them both or reject them both.

The author is so ignorant on the subject he thinks that Natural Selection is evolution's answer to how life was first created from chemicals and energy. The book is full of strawman arguments. It misrepresents evolutionary science and then shoots holes in the misrepresentations.

The little bit that I read were nothing more than ramblings of a half-wit. Someone who remains ignorant by choice.

91 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:05:40pm

re: #80 jaunte

It's painful reading, that book. Here's one of the author's key points.
All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

I guess I'm gonna' burn in hell.....

I beg to differ with Johnson...
Part 1
Part 2

92 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:06:38pm

I am reminded of a movie (don't know why) called Dante's Inferno. Spencer Tracey plays a carnival barker. He stands in front of the crowd holding a skull and says, " This is the skull of Alexander the Great".
A man in the crowd says, " I'm an anthropologist and I know that is the skull of a twelve year old"!
Spencer Tracey looks at the skull and says, "Yes, this is the skull of Alexander the Great when he was 12"!

93 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:06:39pm

re: #89 Basho

Err... replace Hindi with Sanskrit, and add the Nordic and Slavic language to that list. Thanks wikipedia!

94 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:06:42pm

Why does watching the human race make me feel like Jane Goodall?
Oh yeah idiots like primate McLeroy.

95 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:07:13pm

re: #94 DEZes

Why does watching the human race make me feel like Jane Goodall?
Oh yeah idiots like primate McLeroy.

Chimps are more civilized.........

96 Aviator  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:07:25pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Hey, avanti, what's your take on the recent spate of US naval mishaps?

Bush's fault.

/

97 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:07:44pm

re: #95 jcm

Chimps are more civilized.........

Hard to argue with that. ;)

98 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:07:46pm

re: #80 jaunte

All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

"As a noted scientist, I find it surprising that girl blinded ME with science."

99 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:08:22pm

re: #91 jcm

How can one have any kind of faith in a Christ who lies about the inspiration of the Scriptures by God, and lies about his descent from Adam through Noah?

I do think that's the first time I've seen the "You callin' Jesus a liar?" move used in a written argument on this subject.

100 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:08:25pm

I don't even want to read these things. Here's an excerpt:

The evo-atheists have fabricated what they call an “evolutionary tree.” They maintain that any two living species today can be traced back to a common ancestor on their tree. According to their speculation therefore, a weasel and a termite can be traced back to the same ancestor. This is the fossil the geniuses at the NAS should be out in the field digging for. They are its first cousins.

Getting eye strain from rolling my eyes.

101 Lynn B.  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:08:32pm

re: #31 funky chicken

just beyond depressing

another reason I'm hoping and praying for a resurgence of sane Democrats Republicans by 2012 next week (or at least 2010). ugh

FIFY ... or, at least for myself...

102 Summer Seale  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:09:04pm

Charles,


If you read the article, it links to the "book" that you can read online.

If you go to the site which publishes this book, look on the right side. They have a direct link to the following site:

[Link: welfaregame.com...]

Which proudly proclaims that they are the only board game ever banned in the US in the 80's, allegedly for sexism and racism. If you click on the cartoons to see examples of what is in the game, they have one about your daughter bringing home an ethnic boyfriend and having to pay $500 for the incident.

Seems like the guy who wrote this book is proudly linking to some (what appear on the surface) very whacked out right-wing extremist idiots.

103 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #99 jaunte

I do think that's the first time I've seen the "You callin' Jesus a liar?" move used in a written argument on this subject.

"You tryin' to tell me that Jesus can't hit a curveball?"

104 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:09:43pm

re: #80 jaunte

All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

Why would God give us free will and an intellect in a world where reason doesn't matter?

105 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:09:46pm

re: #97 DEZes

Hard to argue with that. ;)

I just ripped my neighbors face off...routine human

106 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:09:47pm

I wonder if the creationist mom who makes her kids piss themselves is a monster in the eyes of people like this.

107 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:10:17pm

re: #93 Basho

I up dinged you on your correction. I knew you meant Sanskrit but, then, I'm a mutant.

108 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:10:24pm

re: #98 SteveC

"As a noted scientist, I find it surprising that girl blinded ME with science."

109 Summer Seale  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:10:45pm

The publisher site of the book is: [Link: solvinglight.com...]

Again, look at the lower right sidebar for the link to that other site.

110 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:11:21pm

re: #93 Basho

Err... replace Hindi with Sanskrit, and add the Nordic and Slavic language to that list. Thanks wikipedia!

There's a few others. It's an open topic of pedantry as to whether the Anatolian languages (like Hittite and Lydian) ought to count. They come from the same root as the Indo-European languages but broke off before proto-Indo-European had attracted its distinctive vocabulary, mostly having to do with wheeled carts and chariots.

Put another way, white people invented NASCAR! WOOO!

/[this probably makes me the first troll]

111 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:11:40pm

The fact that McLeroy found this glowing is alarming. This thing reads like a conspiracy theory.

Their illogic and their seductions cannot bear the salutary tonics of open debate and free inquiry. The NAS atheists detest the valid God hypothesis and the proven (in my opinion) theory of the meaning of ancient Greek art. They cannot disprove these ideas, so they must intimidate those who are inclined to consider them. Brandishing a club as dangerous as the one wielded by Herakles, the NAS hierarchy threatens us, spiritually attacking our children and our way of life in a most serious and sinister way. It is time to call them to account for the evil they have done, and are doing, in the name of “science.

NAS being the National Academy of Sciences.

112 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:11:48pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Hey, avanti, what's your take on the recent spate of US naval mishaps?

What's to take, ships have been having accidents for as long as I remember. The sinking of the USS Thresher started a strange chain of events for me in the Navy though.

113 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:11:53pm

re: #105 albusteve

I just ripped my neighbors face off...routine human


Please dont use it as a mask. ;)

114 Emerald  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:12:06pm

But they're the ones who insist they're being unfairly treated.

115 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:12:20pm

re: #80 jaunte


All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

Well, to that I borrow from that Vatican astronomer, Guy... something, and say that Johnson worships a nature god similar to those worshiped by pagans.

116 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:12:23pm

re: #102 Summer

Charles,

If you read the article, it links to the "book" that you can read online.

If you go to the site which publishes this book, look on the right side. They have a direct link to the following site:

[Link: welfaregame.com...]

Which proudly proclaims that they are the only board game ever banned in the US in the 80's, allegedly for sexism and racism. If you click on the cartoons to see examples of what is in the game, they have one about your daughter bringing home an ethnic boyfriend and having to pay $500 for the incident.

Seems like the guy who wrote this book is proudly linking to some (what appear on the surface) very whacked out right-wing extremist idiots.

Well, damn. I think they are trying to piss everyone off at once.

117 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:12:25pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

You wouldn't want him on the case. He was in tight with the Chicago Dems in his day. If he came back, he'd be in the tank for Obama.

I know. I'm reading "Summer for the Gods" about the Scopes trial. Between William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow, I've got no one to root for.

118 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:12:48pm

Don't dance with a monster. It never ends well.

119 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:13:01pm

People like this give Christians a bad name. I live in a Houston suburb, know many Christians and none of them are judgmental like this. I can't understand the reasoning behind it. It certainly isn't going to win many converts which you would think would be the purpose. It only pleases the true believers and there just aren't that many left.

120 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:13:13pm

We have our first down-dinger.

121 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:13:25pm

Damn people...get an avatar. Yes I am looking at you numbers 1 through 5! : )

122 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:13:58pm

re: #119 axegrinder

Howdy from Spring Branch!

123 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:09pm

re: #120 Charles

We have our first down-dinger.

Melt down commeth!

124 cronus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:14pm

Maybe McLeroy can join forces with Pastor Chris Fox. Lying for Jesus meets Trolling for Jesus

125 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:25pm

re: #117 doppelganglander

I know. I'm reading "Summer for the Gods" about the Scopes trial. Between William Jennings Bryan and Clarence Darrow, I've got no one to root for.

I've been thinking about buying that book. Do you think it worth the money?

126 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:42pm

No deleted comments yet.
Am I in too late to bet five bucks on #390?

127 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:48pm

re: #112 avanti

What's to take, ships have been having accidents for as long as I remember. The sinking of the USS Thresher started a strange chain of events for me in the Navy though.

How so?

128 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:14:49pm

March Madness Update..
I saw a play I've never seen before in my life..The announcer said he sa it once before..Can't remember his name..
But this baller just slam dunks the ball with total fury..but the net twists up in the shock and the ball just bounds straight back out of the hoop..
And it just floats down to the defender...and he catches it..and gets called for a travel...And the ball gets turned over..Never seen anything like it in my life..Youtube is my friend!

129 gman  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:15:05pm
Sowing Atheism: The National Academy of Sciences’ Sinister Scheme to Teach Our Children They’re Descended from Reptiles

Oh brother, this belongs in the same round file as the "devil planted dinosaur bones" theory.

130 Jetpilot1101  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:15:24pm

re: #119 axegrinder

People like this give Christians a bad name. I live in a Houston suburb, know many Christians and none of them are judgmental like this. I can't understand the reasoning behind it. It certainly isn't going to win many converts which you would think would be the purpose. It only pleases the true believers and there just aren't that many left.

They are blinded by an agenda and rather than open up their mind to God and his plan, they stuff Him in a box and then ridicule all others who don't want to accept the box. I'm a Christian and my God is much bigger than this. This stuff not only offends me but saddens me. The cause of Christ is being damaged and I believe it grieves God.

131 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:16:40pm

re: #99 jaunte

I do think that's the first time I've seen the "You callin' Jesus a liar?" move used in a written argument on this subject.

Nope.
But they miss the intrinsic value of II Cor. 3:6 ...for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Which is you have to understand the Bible Spiritually, that know what it says literally in the text is useless.

132 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:16:57pm

re: #121 UberInfidel67

My avatar is a green football. Can't you see it? Sheesh.

133 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:17:01pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101 A thousand updings.

134 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:17:09pm

Our down dinger is a Hoover, that sucks!

135 eon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:17:10pm

re: #89 Basho

On a much more interesting note, it has been shown that the Romance languages, the Persian language, and Hindi share a common ancestral language: The Indo-European language. True to all scientific history, the actually truths are much more wonderful and vast than the stories many societies have used to explain such phenomena.

Very true. This was also pointed out almost half a century ago, by H.Beam Piper, in his novel Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen, when describing a parallel world where that Indo-European culture had colonized North America via the Bering Straits a few thousand years before Coluimbus got here in "our" timeline;


The words for "father" and "mother". German, vater; Spanish, padre; Latin, pater; Greek, as near that as didn't matter; Sanskrit, pitr. German, mutter; Spanish, madre; Latin, mater; Greek, meter; Sanskrit, matr. In Zarthani (Indo-Aryan- ed.) they were phadros and mavra.

-Lord Kalvan, chap. 9

The best SF has as much real science in it as possible. And real science, and real history, is always more fascinating than pseudomystical dogmas.

cheers

eon

136 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:17:27pm

If Evolution Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Evolve.

Saw that on a bumper sticker yesterday. Just found out that it's the title of an album.

137 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:17:36pm

re: #120 Charles

We have our first down-dinger.

It sucks too.........

138 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:18:18pm

re: #137 jcm

GMTA

139 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:18:34pm

re: #138 DEZes

GMTA

LOL!

140 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:18:47pm

For people like Mr Perry to endorse a book calling evolutionists "monsters" for teaching science to their children is to so white wash child abuse that the term has no meaning. I'm sure we're all monsters, but a woman like Ms Mills, who makes her children piss themselves, would be a model parent. I'm appalled, and if Mr Perry wants allies like that for his cause, he's welcome to them.

141 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:18:52pm

re: #132 axegrinder

My avatar is a green football. Can't you see it? Sheesh.

I know. I'm a profession football watcher, so mine is cool.

Occasionally I dabble in Professional Football Cheerleader watching! A pleasurable way to spend an afternoon. Very relaxing.

142 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:18:59pm

re: #137 jcm

It sucks too.........

Hi there.
Are we having fun yet?

/went out for pizza -- you can have my share of the gamey buttocks

143 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:06pm

re: #139 jcm

Thats twice today. ;)

144 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:15pm

Here he is! The lead devil man himself!

Ralph J. Cicerone, NAS President

President's Page

McLeroy is endorsing an anti-National Academy of Sciences stance. That's beyond the pale.

145 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:27pm

re: #126 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No deleted comments yet.
Am I in too late to bet five bucks on #390?

Go for it. If downdingers count as "troll", and if Killgore's broad-brushing of "conservatives" is disqualified as not being germane to the topic, then the troll was outed at #120 (so I win that part!). But "troll" was admittedly vague.

I'm expecting the Down Ding Sensei to leap from the shadows to whine for a bit before getting the [delete].

146 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:41pm

re: #134 DEZes

Our down dinger is a Hoover, that sucks!

down-dinging = the Hoover maneuver?

147 OldRiverGuy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:45pm

re: #31 funky chicken

These are fine folks who determine what is taught in Texas schools.

"The folks who decide what Texas schoolchildren will learn are the fifteen members of the State Board of Education. Don’t worry if you can’t name a single one. Almost nobody can! Members of this obscure panel are elected in down-ballot races that generate about as much media attention as an appointment to the Funeral Service Commission, but they are the ones who determine the classroom content for every public- or charter-school student in Texas. The board, currently composed of ten Republicans and five Democrats, oversees the process that establishes curriculum standards—known as Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills—and adopts or rejects textbooks. Members serve four-year terms and receive no financial compensation. (You heard right: They do this for free.)" Follow the link to read the full extent of
the moon battery:
[Link: www.texasmonthly.com...]

148 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:19:53pm

re: #130 Jetpilot1101

They are blinded by an agenda and rather than open up their mind to God and his plan, they stuff Him in a box and then ridicule all others who don't want to accept the box. I'm a Christian and my God is much bigger than this. This stuff not only offends me but saddens me. The cause of Christ is being damaged and I believe it grieves God.

As do I. Haters like that do not serve the Lord. They actually serve Lucifer, the very being they claim to be fighting. Ironic, but then again, El Diablo has always been good at hiding his hand.

149 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:20:48pm

Yes, but how many pro-evolution parents are Super Turkish Monsters?

150 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:20:51pm

re: #143 DEZes

Thats twice today. ;)

People are starting to talk..........

151 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:20:56pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I've been thinking about buying that book. Do you think it worth the money?

I'm only about 100 pages in, so I can't say. I think I paid $4.95 on a clearance table. If you'd like, I can send it to you when I'm done. My nic is blue.

152 SteveC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:21:34pm

re: #147 OldRiverGuy

These are fine folks who determine what is taught in Texas schools.

"The folks who decide what Texas schoolchildren will learn are the fifteen members of the State Board of Education. Don’t worry if you can’t name a single one. Almost nobody can! Members of this obscure panel are elected in down-ballot races that generate about as much media attention as an appointment to the Funeral Service Commission, but they are the ones who determine the classroom content for every public- or charter-school student in Texas. The board, currently composed of ten Republicans and five Democrats, oversees the process that establishes curriculum standards—known as Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills—and adopts or rejects textbooks. Members serve four-year terms and receive no financial compensation. (You heard right: They do this for free.)" Follow the link to read the full extent of
the moon battery:
[Link: www.texasmonthly.com...]

Funeral Service Commission sounds like more fun.

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:21:45pm

re: #145 Zimriel

Go for it. If downdingers count as "troll", and if Killgore's broad-brushing of "conservatives" is disqualified as not being germane to the topic, then the troll was outed at #120 (so I win that part!). But "troll" was admittedly vague.

I'm expecting the Down Ding Sensei to leap from the shadows to whine for a bit before getting the [delete].

My five bucks is on when the first meltdown will occur. Fortunately, I can use the money I get in my monthly ZioNazi check to cover it.

154 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:21:54pm

I can't help but suppose the the age of the internet coincides with the rise of creationist dogma and it's attack on science and common sense...minions rise so fast and information travels at light speed...any good manipulator will get his 15 minutes of fame regardless of validity...people are just soft in the head...I say get rid of the net

155 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:22:22pm

Dark Falcon got 115 for first troll. I think he wins.

That was uncanny. Sure that wasn't a sockpuppet? :^)

156 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:22:29pm

re: #150 jcm

People are starting to talk..........

Let em, Its just cyber telekinesis. ;)

157 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:23:00pm

From Times Online
March 6, 2009
Vatican says Evolution does not prove the non-existence of God
Evolution and the Biblical account of Genesis are "perfectly compatible" claims the Catholic Church

Richard Owen in Rome


The Vatican has rejected the claim by Richard Dawkins, the biologist and campaigning atheist, that evolutionary theory proves that God does not exist, proclaiming that on the contrary Darwinian evolution and the account of Creation in Genesis are "perfectly compatible".At a five day conference held to mark the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s On the Origin of Species this week, Vatican theologians said while Christians believed that God "created all things", the Vatican "does not stand in the way of scientific realities".

Vatican officials joined biologists, paleontologists, molecular geneticists and philosophers for the conference at the Pontifical Gregorian University, which ends tomorrow. Rafael Martinez, professor of the Philosophy of Science at the Santa Croce Pontifical University in Rome, said although the reaction of Catholic theologians, intellectuals and priests to Darwinian theory had been "generally negative" in the 19th century, "recent declarations by Popes have asserted the full accordance of Catholic doctrine and evolutionary biology".

He said, however, that this was not widely known, and the false impression had arisen "that the Holy See is opposed to evolution". Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, which co-organised the conference with Notre Dame University in Indiana and support from the John Templeton Foundation, said there was "no a priori incompatibility between evolution and the message of the Bible".

He noted that Darwin had never been condemned by the Catholic Church, and that On the Origin of the Species had never been placed on the Index of forbidden books. Cardinal William Levada, head of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said the assertion by Richard Dawkins and others that evolution proves there is no God was "absurd".

158 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:24:17pm

re: #154 albusteve

I can't help but suppose the the age of the internet coincides with the rise of creationist dogma and it's attack on science and common sense...minions rise so fast and information travels at light speed...any good manipulator will get his 15 minutes of fame regardless of validity...people are just soft in the head...I say get rid of the net

The web is the Anti-Christ doncha know!

# The Hebrew Letter waw/vav is commonly pronounced "w."
# In antiquity and in modern Hebrew, letters also represent numbers.
# In Hebrew, the letter waw is used to represent the number 6.
# The common abbreviation for "World Wide Web" is www.
# In Hebrew, this abbreviation would be spelled waw waw waw.
# Numerically, this Hebrew abbreviation would be 6-6-6.

159 formercorpsman  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:24:50pm

This will be a problem in 2010.

160 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:25:41pm

re: #149 gmsc

Even a link to "Istanbul not Constantinople".

161 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:25:47pm

millions of words to prove or disprove the existence of God....good grief...people are going hungary and dying...pick up a fucking shovel and dig a well

162 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:26:04pm

re: #155 Zimriel

Dark Falcon got 115 for first troll. I think he wins.

That was uncanny. Sure that wasn't a sockpuppet? :^)

Basho isn't a troll. He supports evolution. I don't agree with him on everything (he updinged some of SpaceJesus's posts on homeschooling), but I can honestly say that he cannot be counted as a troll.

163 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:26:53pm

re: #158 jcm

The web is the Anti-Christ doncha know!

# The Hebrew Letter waw/vav is commonly pronounced "w."
# In antiquity and in modern Hebrew, letters also represent numbers.
# In Hebrew, the letter waw is used to represent the number 6.
# The common abbreviation for "World Wide Web" is www.
# In Hebrew, this abbreviation would be spelled waw waw waw.
# Numerically, this Hebrew abbreviation would be 6-6-6.

I'm doomed, DOOMED

164 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:27:30pm

re: #80 jaunte

I find that I don't much care for this "Johnson" fellow.

165 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:27:52pm

re: #158 jcm

Waw waw waw sounds like Charlie Browns teacher.

166 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:27:54pm

re: #161 albusteve

millions of words to prove or disprove the existence of God....good grief...people are going hungary and dying...pick up a fucking shovel and dig a well

Creationists don't need wells, they live right next to a river: DeNial. :D

167 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:27:58pm

I hop and trust that when this board holds their final vote in the coming week, that Charles will post an article letting us know what happened there...

168 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:28:07pm

re: #102 Summer

Charles,

If you read the article, it links to the "book" that you can read online.

If you go to the site which publishes this book, look on the right side. They have a direct link to the following site:

[Link: welfaregame.com...]

Which proudly proclaims that they are the only board game ever banned in the US in the 80's, allegedly for sexism and racism. If you click on the cartoons to see examples of what is in the game, they have one about your daughter bringing home an ethnic boyfriend and having to pay $500 for the incident.

Seems like the guy who wrote this book is proudly linking to some (what appear on the surface) very whacked out right-wing extremist idiots.

The guy who wrote the book also invented that game, and devotes this chapter of the book to complaining about its 'banning.' [Link: solvinglight.com...]

169 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:28:32pm
170 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:28:36pm

re: #164 Catttt

I find that I don't much care for this "Johnson" fellow.

I dont care for Johnsons either. ;)

171 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:28:51pm

re: #165 DEZes

Waw waw waw sounds like Charlie Browns teacher.

That would be:

waw...waw...WAW.

172 Emperor Norton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:28:55pm

Of course we're descended from reptiles. That's why we're lizards.

173 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:29:22pm

re: #164 Catttt

I find that I don't much care for this "Johnson" fellow.

Robert Bowie Johnson

174 Summer Seale  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:29:48pm

re: #168 jaunte

The guy who wrote the book also invented that game, and devotes this chapter of the book to complaining about its 'banning.' [Link: solvinglight.com...]

I didn't check too deeply after seeing some sort of link to it. It was enough already, but that does shed even more needed light on this matter.

Seems like these are the kinds of people we are dealing with on the Creationist front.

175 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:29:55pm

re: #167 Salamantis

I hope and trust that when this board holds their final vote in the coming week, that Charles will post an article letting us know what happened there...

You may rely on that, Sal.

176 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:30:19pm

"give me divine intervention!"

177 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:30:23pm

re: #172 Emperor Norton

Of course we're descended from reptiles. That's why we're lizards.

Not much of an evolutionary jump there, partner.

178 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:31:06pm

Some other pages of Robert Bowie Johnson

Guest Writer for World-Mysteries dot Com

179 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:31:29pm

re: #154 albusteve

Throw the baby out with the bath water? Nah.

180 OldRiverGuy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:16pm

A quote from Gov. Zoolander's man. "At a committee meeting on July 16, 2008, McLeroy said that education is too important to not be politicized.”

Actual quote. For real.

181 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:20pm

re: #158 jcm

The web is the Anti-Christ doncha know!

# The Hebrew Letter waw/vav is commonly pronounced "w."
# In antiquity and in modern Hebrew, letters also represent numbers.
# In Hebrew, the letter waw is used to represent the number 6.
# The common abbreviation for "World Wide Web" is www.
# In Hebrew, this abbreviation would be spelled waw waw waw.
# Numerically, this Hebrew abbreviation would be 6-6-6.

It's all a Jewish number conspiracy!

182 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:28pm

What's the definition of a nervous breakdown ?

A chameleon on a tartan rug !

183 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:29pm

re: #132 axegrinder

Hey! Your creative side is showing. lol I give it a 10 for originality. : )

184 cronus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:37pm

Maybe scientists can thank McLeroy by naming the next transitional fossil after him.

185 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:32:41pm
186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:33:12pm

Koskidz: LGF Outrage Over Special Olympics With Super Meta Irony

LGF reacted with predictable rage at President Obama's remark about the Special Olympics.


We can only hope that this display of "political correctness" doesn't drive Obama over the edge, because Glenn Beck says this PC is exactly what drives people to go shooting sprees.

But PC does not come easy to the lizard kids.


Congratulations to those who got quoted.

187 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:33:15pm

re: #160 BatGuano

Even a link to "Istanbul not Constantinople".

My favorite version of that song:

188 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:33:27pm

re: #180 OldRiverGuy

A quote from Gov. Zoolander's man. "At a committee meeting on July 16, 2008, McLeroy said that education is too important to not be politicized.”

Actual quote. For real.

We are so screwed. Kids don't learn squat, but are indoctrinated.

I hate Billy Ayers.

189 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:33:46pm

re: #160 BatGuano

If you have not heard the They might be giants version, enjoy.

190 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:34:20pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Bob Johnson's Archive

That's what you get when you combine a lot of will with a little bit of brains.

191 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:34:57pm

re: #190 Salamantis

That's what you get when you combine a lot of will with a little bit of brains.

Yeah, can't say he's not able to "focus."

192 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:35:12pm

re: #80 jaunte


All you folks who are both Christians and accept empirical science? Well, you're not really Christians, according to Johnson.

Whoa... what a clusterf***... I thought Johnson = McLeroy. My mistake.

193 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:35:21pm

re: #171 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

That would be:

waw...waw...WAW.

here's some wa wa

194 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:35:26pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: LGF Outrage Over Special Olympics With Super Meta Irony

Congratulations to those who got quoted.

I wasn't quoted!
Who do I complain to?

195 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:36:00pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Bob Johnson's Archive

So the guy is a West Point grad. Anyone care to speculate on the odds he was The Goat in his class?

196 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:36:19pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Bob Johnson's Archive

Awww. I thought it was a link to some kickass blues site.

197 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:36:35pm

re: #187 gmsc

Dude, I just posted that after you did! I have the four Lads version on my computer. I love that song.

198 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

So the guy is a West Point grad. Anyone care to speculate on the odds he was The Goat in his class?

If he'd have gone to Annapolis instead, he would've been the Ass.

199 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:11pm
200 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #194 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wasn't quoted!
Who do I complain to?

[Link: www.soldiercity.com...]

201 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:22pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

So the guy is a West Point grad. Anyone care to speculate on the odds he was The Goat in his class?

I don't know. Want to call him I have his phone number!

////

202 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:27pm

Special Olympics Bowler Offers Obama Bowling Tips

President Obama joked Thursday that his bowling ability was suitable for the Special Olympics, a comment for which he later apologized.

But one Special Olympics bowler has a few tips for the president on how to improve his score.

Tim Maloney, a 38-year-old with Down Syndrome who has been bowling for 30 years, said the president needs to practice more if he wants to bring his recent score of 129 anywhere close to Maloney's average of 165.

"Focus, take his time, and relax" were the simple-but-effective tips Maloney offered the president in a phone interview Friday with FOXNews.com from his home in suburban Milwaukee. "Keep your eyes on the alley."

Brentwood Special Olympian says he'd bowl against Obama

Daniel Fletcher, 21, a Brentwood man who has bowled in the Special Olympics, has a message for President Obama:

Get ready for some competition.

Fletcher went online with his parents Friday afternoon to watch a recording of Obama jokingly likening his bowling style to that of competitors in the Special Olympics.

"I am willing to get a team to challenge him," Fletcher said. He thought of an alternative: "I'd challenge him myself."

Fletcher, who has Down syndrome, bowls three times a week, and recently scored 130 - a point higher than the score Obama mentioned on " The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

Special Olympics Champ to Barack: Bring it On!

A bowling phenom in the Special Olympics has just challenged Prez Barack Obama to a White House roll-off ... and he'll probably kick Barack's butt.

Kolan McConiughey, a Special Olympics competitor who has bowled three perfect 300 games, tells TMZ that the Prez has to score a lot higher than 129 to beat him. Kolan says he bowls an average of 266.

Kolan -- who works at a grocery store in Ann Arbor, Mich. -- said he'd love to go to the White House to beat Barack on his own lane. Kolan said, "He's cool, but he can't beat me."

We posed the challenge to the White House. They said "no comment."

So, Obama, you've been duly challenged for your insult, the gauntlet laid down after slapping you across your face. Are you man enough to step up or just a cowardly, sniveling wimp?

And the contest should be held at the White House bowling alley and televised in the Leno time slot.

/loser's a moron

203 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:36pm

re: #187 gmsc

My favorite version of that song:

[Video]

re: #189 BatGuano

If you have not heard the They might be giants version, enjoy.


[Video]

GMTA!

I especially like from 1:43 to 1:49, where they're made up as the guys from They Might Be Giants.

204 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:45pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout
OMG AfroCity is gonna freak when she sees she has been qouted on KOS. LMAO********** She has arrived!

205 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:47pm

Anyone who could label a parent as a "monster" simply because they support science education is a person who has no idea what the horrors of child abuse are. This is not only the most closed minded thing I've seen all week, it's the most insulting. People like this have no idea what a parental "monster" is in order to distort science their premise this much. This is a real slap in the face to anyone who has survived real abuse.

Likewise, this is the most unChristian thing I've seen all week. There is nothing compassionate or loving about calling average Americans "monsters". Vinegar is a poor way to bring people to Jesus. Almost as poor as lying in His name's sake.

206 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:49pm

re: #128 HoosierHoops

March Madness Update..
I saw a play I've never seen before in my life..The announcer said he sa it once before..Can't remember his name..
But this baller just slam dunks the ball with total fury..but the net twists up in the shock and the ball just bounds straight back out of the hoop..
And it just floats down to the defender...and he catches it..and gets called for a travel...And the ball gets turned over..Never seen anything like it in my life..Youtube is my friend!

You lost me at gets called for a travel? I have seen an overzealous slam get rejected by the basket - usually the guy catches a bit of rim and out she pops!

207 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:37:50pm

re: #196 axegrinder

Awww. I thought it was a link to some kickass blues site.

Nah, that's the OTHER Robert Johnson. :)

208 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:39:29pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

If Obama was really any good at politics, he would invite them all to the White House to beat him at bowling. It won't happen.

209 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:39:34pm

re: #207 Gus 802

Nah, that's the OTHER Robert Johnson. :)

And 29 songs is all you get.

210 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:39:36pm

re: #192 Basho

Wait no... You were referring to a different Johnson and you were being serious... So what was trollish with what I said? Maybe you weren't here last time when I linked to an article by the Vatican astronomer...

211 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:01pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: LGF Outrage Over Special Olympics With Super Meta Irony


Congratulations to those who got quoted.

Bernardpliers is doubtless up to speed on his Stephen Jay Gould and knows what some at LGF might be too young to remember: that "moron" and "idiot" (and, in between, "imbecile") used to be scientific categories of IQ range.

I vaguely recall throwing the word "imbecile" before, maybe even here. I guess I got lucky this time, huh. :^/

212 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:14pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy
Obi should take them up on their offer. Think of it as a sort of penance...not just his empty words. And learn a little humility....knock him down a few pegs.

213 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:15pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Special Olympics Bowler Offers Obama Bowling Tips


So, Obama, you've been duly challenged for your insult, the gauntlet laid down after slapping you across your face. Are you man enough to step up or just a cowardly, sniveling wimp?

And the contest should be held at the White House bowling alley and televised in the Leno time slot.

/loser's a moron

I declare FCBBHO will use this as an attempt to curry favor with the special-needs community. He'll be the prodigal son.

Or, am I extremely cynical?

214 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:27pm

re: #204 UberInfidel67

OMG AfroCity is gonna freak when she sees she has been qouted on KOS. LMAO********** She has arrived!

She evolved, The Kos brats are stuck on stupid.

215 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:30pm

re: #209 Salamantis

And 29 songs is all you get.

Is that all he wrote before he kicked the bucket?

216 Aviator  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:40:43pm

re: #208 jaunte

If Obama was really any good at politics, he would invite them all to the White House to beat him at bowling. It won't happen.

His ego could not handle that.

217 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:41:33pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree with him on everything (he updinged some of SpaceJesus's posts on homeschooling)

I always upding SpaceJesus. He's the Socrates of the blogosphere, lmao.

218 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:02pm

re: #216 Aviator

Of course now that I've said that, he might try it. It could be another gaffetastic occasion.

219 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:03pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Is that all he wrote before he kicked the bucket?

That's all he ever recorded. He recorded two versions of some of them, though.

All of rock, jazz and blues sprang from the 29 songs of this one amazing musician.

220 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:19pm

Uh oh! Hang on! Got a big one here on Robert Johnson...

221 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:27pm

re: #214 DEZes

She evolved, The Kos brats are stuck on stupid.

"DumbAss" is the appropriate word to describe clueless Democrat voters.

222 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:40pm

re: #203 gmsc

I just watched it again. Thanks for pointing that out.

223 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:42:43pm

re: #215 Gus 802

Is that all he wrote before he kicked the bucket?

all that were recorded...that's it

224 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:43:39pm

Satanic Teachings of Oprah’s Guru Linked to Barack Obama
Saturday, October 18th, 2008

Contact: Robert Bowie Johnson, XXX-XXX-XXXX

MEDIA ADVISORY, September 22 /Christian Newswire/ — In a series of essays published at [Link: www.solvinglight.com...] author Robert Bowie Johnson Jr. presents evidence that Barack Obama is directly linked to Satanic teachings through his close association with Oprah Winfrey, who parrots and relentlessly promotes, worldwide, the anti-Christian doctrine of her guru, Eckhart Tolle. A summary: (more…)

225 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:43:44pm

re: #205 Sharmuta

Anyone who could label a parent as a "monster" simply because they support science education is a person who has no idea what the horrors of child abuse are. This is not only the most closed minded thing I've seen all week, it's the most insulting. People like this have no idea what a parental "monster" is in order to distort science their premise this much. This is a real slap in the face to anyone who has survived real abuse.

Likewise, this is the most unChristian thing I've seen all week. There is nothing compassionate or loving about calling average Americans "monsters". Vinegar is a poor way to bring people to Jesus. Almost as poor as lying in His name's sake.

Yep its all of those things. Robert Bowie Johnson Jr is everything that's wrong with the GOP. His Vietnam War service seems to be his only redeeming virtue.

226 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:44:33pm

re: #221 Zimriel

"DumbAss" is the appropriate word to describe clueless Democrat voters.

Dips**t clueless f**king asswipe moonbats are kos kiddies. ;)

227 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:44:41pm

Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's astronomer (Guy Consolmagno):

[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

228 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:44:52pm
229 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:44:58pm

Robert Johnson
'Crossroads'

230 eon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:02pm

re: #221 Zimriel

"DumbAss" is the appropriate word to describe clueless Democrat voters.

I prefer to think of it as Exuberant Stupidity. It would be curable- if they would bother to think.

cheers

eon

231 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:10pm

This guy's bonkers.

232 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:22pm

re: #217 Basho

I always upding SpaceJesus. He's the Socrates of the blogosphere, lmao.

What does the "a" in Imao stant for....addled?

233 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:41pm

re: #158 jcm

The web is the Anti-Christ doncha know!

All this silly antichrist stuff! Everything/one is the fricking antichrist. I have to almost admire Aleister Crowley. So far as I know, he is the only one who claimed the title for himself.

234 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:42pm

Barrack Hussein will squander what could be a huge opportunity for him to regain some respect. He should have any (or all) of these bowlers to the White House for a tournament. If the guy would actually shed some of his hubris, truly acknowledge his mistake and make this situation right, he couldn't help but improve his image. And, he might actually take something truly meaningful away from this experience.... an understanding of someone different than himself. But, he won't.

235 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:45:46pm

re: #211 Zimriel

Bernardpliers is doubtless up to speed on his Stephen Jay Gould and knows what some at LGF might be too young to remember: that "moron" and "idiot" (and, in between, "imbecile") used to be scientific categories of IQ range.

I vaguely recall throwing the word "imbecile" before, maybe even here. I guess I got lucky this time, huh. :^/

Yep: Old, non PC IQ classes

70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot

236 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:17pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do

You lost me at gets called for a travel? I have seen an overzealous slam get rejected by the basket - usually the guy catches a bit of rim and out she pops!

Well the ball just landed in this guys hands..and he is totally surprised cause he thought the ball was dunked..he just walked the ball to the ref and got called for traveling.. It was one of those college WTF moments..Can't wait for the youtube link..

237 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:25pm

I see that m1150 goaded a lot of the lizards into using these terms. I let him get under my skin too.

Trolls... can't feed 'em, can't ship 'em in cargo holds to Venus...

238 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:27pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Satanic Teachings of Oprah’s Guru Linked to Barack Obama
Saturday, October 18th, 2008

Contact: Robert Bowie Johnson, XXX-XXX-XXXX

MEDIA ADVISORY, September 22 /Christian Newswire/ — In a series of essays published at [Link: www.solvinglight.com...] author Robert Bowie Johnson Jr. presents evidence that Barack Obama is directly linked to Satanic teachings through his close association with Oprah Winfrey, who parrots and relentlessly promotes, worldwide, the anti-Christian doctrine of her guru, Eckhart Tolle. A summary: (more…)

Geez Louise, this guy is completely Bark-At-The-Moon, Bats-In-The-Belfry, crazy. He needs a nice time-out in a padded room.

239 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:30pm

Cream
'Crossroads'


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

240 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:33pm

re: #231 Gus 802

This guy's bonkers.

And McLeroy's tarred by the same brush by association.

241 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:46:53pm

re: #232 The Shadow Do

What does the "a" in Imao stant for....addled?

Laughing my [butt] off.

242 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:47:00pm

re: #215 Gus 802

That's all he recorded. That we know about. whether he wrote anything he sang is up for debate. He probably stole as much as has been stolen from him. It the nature of the business.

243 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:47:14pm

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Geez Louise, this guy is completely Bark-At-The-Moon, Bats-In-The-Belfry, crazy. He needs a nice time-out in a padded room.

Sure is. Probably a nirther too.

244 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #233 Catttt

I so disappointed you don't believe me..........
//////

245 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:10pm

Crossroads

246 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:12pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops

Well the ball just landed in this guys hands..and he is totally surprised cause he thought the ball was dunked..he just walked the ball to the ref and got called for traveling.. It was one of those college WTF moments..Can't wait for the youtube link..

LOL! Sorry I missed that one!

247 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:19pm

re: #234 WindHorse

Barrack Hussein will squander what could be a huge opportunity for him to regain some respect. He should have any (or all) of these bowlers to the White House for a tournament. If the guy would actually shed some of his hubris, truly acknowledge his mistake and make this situation right, he couldn't help but improve his image. And, he might actually take something truly meaningful away from this experience.... an understanding of someone different than himself. But, he won't.

/not sure he wants a piece of the dude with the 266 average

248 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:20pm

re: #224 Gus 802

It's interesting to Google Eckhart Tolle and Alice Bailey to see what pops up.

249 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:48:32pm

re: #237 Zimriel

I see that m1150 goaded a lot of the lizards into using these terms. I let him get under my skin too.

Trolls... can't feed 'em, can't ship 'em in cargo holds to Venus...

Solution: Flame 'em to a crisp then feast on their Gamey Buttocks.

250 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:49:15pm

re: #243 Gus 802

Sure is. Probably a nirther too.

That was my thought as well. GMTA

251 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:49:29pm
252 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:15pm

Nice simple animation on this one.
Robert Johnson - Me and the Devil Blues

253 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:28pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

That was my thought as well. GMTA

Looks like a lot of conspiracy types have picked up on that Oprah-Obama theory of Robert Johnson's.

[Link: truthspeaker.wordpress.com...]

254 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:31pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

President Obama joked Thursday that his bowling ability was suitable for the Special Olympics,....

I agree. His is a Special Administration.

255 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:40pm

re: #247 Killian Bundy

I don't think the actual bowling has very much to do with it. It would show some character to have his ass whupped..... but, as I'd said, I doubt that he'll do it because he is such a self absorbed douchebag.....

256 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:42pm

I have nothing kind or compassionate to say to or about those who would so trivialize real child abuse as this Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr. has done.

We here at LGF have been cautious as to not label parents who teach their children Biblical Literalism as abusers, yet the so-called Faithful have no issue in saying that very thing about pro-evolution parents. I'm pretty sure the greater meaning of the Bible has been lost on these folks. It's times like this that I hope it's true Hell has a special place for hypocrites.

257 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:50:44pm

re: #239 albusteve

Clapton was/is a huge Bob J. fan. He has a recent recording covering all the Johnson tunes.

258 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:51:14pm

By the way, I hate all Utah basketball teams as of today. Bastids blew up my brackets. Conniving Mormon hoopsters all. A pox on 'em.

259 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:51:19pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Bat Shit NUTS

260 pink freud  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:51:26pm

Folks, if you haven't yet checked out the Murtha petition, please consider signing it.

We've jumped from 18,772 all the way up to 20,051 signatures in the last three hours.

Don't Honor John Murtha Petition.

261 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:51:38pm

re: #44 Gus 802

Yeah, I noticed a certain "hair trigger" thing going on down below.

Heh.

262 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #234 WindHorse

Barrack Hussein will squander what could be a huge opportunity for him to regain some respect. He should have any (or all) of these bowlers to the White House for a tournament. If the guy would actually shed some of his hubris, truly acknowledge his mistake and make this situation right, he couldn't help but improve his image. And, he might actually take something truly meaningful away from this experience.... an understanding of someone different than himself. But, he won't.

263 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:52:20pm

re: #257 axegrinder

Clapton was/is a huge Bob J. fan. He has a recent recording covering all the Johnson tunes.

Clapton has covered R Johnson his whole career...40 some years

264 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:52:23pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

Bat Shit NUTS

Yeah, I think so. Found it by accident by searching his phone number. Public information.

265 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:52:24pm

re: #235 avanti

Yep: Old, non PC IQ classes

70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot

So, what about FCBBHO's slur against the mentally retarded, avanti?

266 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:52:44pm

Gotta' run... be back when the drinking starts....

267 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:53:23pm

re: #266 jcm

Gotta' run... be back when the drinking starts....

I started 3 hours ago.

268 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:53:45pm

re: #251 taxfreekiller

"Defocking John Murtha" has made 20,000 now.

pass it on

[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

Signed.

269 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:54:41pm

The legendary Mel and Norma Gabler probably knew this guy, and I'll bet they were proud of him.

270 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:55:01pm

re: #254 solomonpanting

I agree. His is a Special Administration.

He's special; so special. He's gotta have all of your attention; give it to him!

271 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:55:22pm

re: #263 albusteve

Clapton has covered R Johnson his whole career...40 some years

Man... all these Johnsons are confusing. The Big Boss Man's last name is Johnson. A book I'm reading is by a Robert A Johnson.

I'm glad Sharmuta is spelling out Robert Bowie Johnson, Jr's name in full to keep my head from spinning. Gah, it must be getting late for me.

272 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:56:09pm

re: #258 The Shadow Do

By the way, I hate all Utah basketball teams as of today. Bastids blew up my brackets. Conniving Mormon hoopsters all. A pox on 'em.

LOL
You owe me a laptop screen!
/I can't believe how good I'm doing in my brackets..I've only lost 4 so far..Must be the end of the world or the whole thing about throwing darts must work..I'm not sure..But tonight I am a genius...
/Evacuate to your shelter now..this is not a drill

273 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:56:30pm

re: #271 Basho

Relax, kick back and drink a cold adult beverage. ;)

274 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:56:39pm

re: #248 MandyManners

It's interesting to Google Eckhart Tolle and Alice Bailey to see what pops up.

Thanks. Yeah, that stuff's nutty too. For me personally that is if you know what I mean. //

275 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops
ROFLMAO @ conniving Mormom hoopsters. That was too funny!

276 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:56:47pm

re: #245 albusteve

Crossroads


[Video]

The best version of his song.

277 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:57:19pm

re: #268 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Signed.

Did you sign to protect the lakes, or the petition? Just wondering how many might have.

What does this petition have to do with Canada anyway?

278 eon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:57:23pm

re: #271 Basho

Definitely late for me. Invoking Eon's First Law at this point.

Good night, Lizards.

Continue to evolve.

cheers

eon

279 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:57:55pm

re: #271 Basho

your mama was late.

280 axegrinder  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:58:09pm

re: #263 albusteve

Ya, but know you can get them all in one album! I don't know why, but it's always the British who do the best blues covers. Lately it's been the Japanese. Fabulous musicians! I was going through youtube a few months ago looking at kids covering Hendrix and SRV. Absolutely AMAZING.

281 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:58:25pm

A phone call calls ... out for the night!
See yawl tomorrow!

282 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:58:27pm

re: #4 albusteve

I'm an atheist, a monster and a moron....overload, I gotta think about this a minute

Good news!

You are also a "descendant of a reptile."

Using the Internet Fallacy Negation Principle, you are OK. Atheist and monster cancel each other out, and reptile descendant and moron cancel each other out.

You are good to go!

283 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #276 BatGuano

The best version of his song.


[Video]

heh...very nice, yup

284 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:59:48pm

It's 10 PM. AND HOOVER STILL SUCKS!

285 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #170 DEZes

I dont care for Johnsons either. ;)

Not even Big Johnson? /

286 David Simon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:00:05pm

Fouad Ajami rightly skewers the "Bush took his eye off the ball, good war" crowd:

The opponents of the American project in Iraq did not know much about Afghanistan. They despaired of Iraq's sectarianism and ethnic fragmentation, but those pale in comparison with the tribalism and ethnic complications of Afghanistan. If you had your fill with the Kurds and the Sunnis and the Shiites of Iraq, welcome to the warring histories of the Pashtuns, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, and the Hazara Shiites of Afghanistan.

In their disdain for that Iraq project, the Democrats and the liberal left had insisted that Iraq was an artificial state put together by colonial fiat, and that it was a fool's errand to try to make it whole and intact. Now in Afghanistan, we are in the quintessential world of banditry and tribalism, a political culture that has abhorred and resisted central authority.

Speak of colonial fiat: It was the Pax Britannica that drew the Durand Line of 1892 across the lands of the Pashtuns and marked out a meaningless border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It should have taken no great literacy in the theories and the history of "state-building" to foresee the favorable endowments of Iraq and the built-in disadvantages of Afghanistan

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

287 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:00:09pm

re: #279 WindHorse

your mama was late.

LOL What the hell?

288 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:00:14pm

re: #118 Mich-again

Don't dance with a monster. It never ends well.

I don't know. Some monsters can dance quite well.

289 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:00:39pm

re: #287 Basho

(it was a joke.....)

290 albusteve  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:01:32pm

re: #282 karmic_inquisitor

Good news!

You are also a "descendant of a reptile."

Using the Internet Fallacy Negation Principle, you are OK. Atheist and monster cancel each other out, and reptile descendant and moron cancel each other out.

You are good to go!

whew!...can I wear my alligator shoes?

291 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:01:33pm

re: #224 Gus 802

Satanic Teachings of Oprah’s Guru Linked to Barack Obama
Saturday, October 18th, 2008

Contact: Robert Bowie Johnson, XXX-XXX-XXXX

MEDIA ADVISORY, September 22 /Christian Newswire/ — In a series of essays published at [Link: www.solvinglight.com...] author Robert Bowie Johnson Jr. presents evidence that Barack Obama is directly linked to Satanic teachings through his close association with Oprah Winfrey, who parrots and relentlessly promotes, worldwide, the anti-Christian doctrine of her guru, Eckhart Tolle. A summary: (more…)

"cuckoo... cuckoo..."

292 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:02:10pm

re: #289 WindHorse

Again, late for me. And I'm on meds... And a million other excuses to make up for my slowness tonight, hahaha

293 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:02:17pm

re: #285 Catttt

Not even Big Johnson? /


You refering to the top lizard?
If so I am fine with him, its male parts I cant deal with.

294 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:02:20pm

So- they not only want to usurp parental rights in what individuals teach their children, they also want to teach those same children that their parents are monsters. That's some real Family Values™ for you.

295 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:02:53pm

Press Release: Call Darwinists "Slime-Snake-Monkey-People" Author Urges Christians

[Link: www.theparthenoncode.com...]

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:03:04pm

re: #1 WhiteRasta

Is this for real? Are these people for serious? They sound like the freaking taliban.

They would love to be the Taliban. Sadly for them, they're stuck in a free and open society, and no one will let them.

297 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:03:34pm

re: #265 MandyManners

So, what about FCBBHO's slur against the mentally retarded, avanti?

He slipped up, made a non PC comment, apologized and in the long run the comment will provide a learning moment according to S.O. head. Like the Nancy Reagan comment, news for a day.

link.

298 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:03:44pm

Barney Frank: Antonin Scalia is a ‘Homophobe’

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said in an interview Friday on 365gay.com that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a “homophobe.”

/at least Scalia wasn't an integral part in costing Americans almost half their net worth

299 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #293 DEZes

You refering to the top lizard?
If so I am fine with him, its male parts I cant deal with.

Penis thread! /:D

300 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:03:50pm

re: #272 HoosierHoops

LOL
You owe me a laptop screen!
/I can't believe how good I'm doing in my brackets..I've only lost 4 so far..Must be the end of the world or the whole thing about throwing darts must work..I'm not sure..But tonight I am a genius...
/Evacuate to your shelter now..this is not a drill

I'm a minus seven. Problem is I had both Utah teams advancing in the next round! Mormon ballers are untrustworthy. Never hobnob with a Mormon baller. They will lose basketball games all the time, every time. Their mission is to mess with my brackets. why did I not see this before?

301 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:04:28pm

re: #4 albusteve

I'm an atheist

Making love must be an audio delight:

"Oh my Darwin! Oh, oh, my Darwin. Darwindammit, that's sooooo good...."
;>)

302 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:04:37pm

re: #295 Gus 802

Press Release: Call Darwinists "Slime-Snake-Monkey-People" Author Urges Christians

[Link: www.theparthenoncode.com...]

Well, if that's what the magic-and-dirt-people want!

303 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:04:42pm

re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist

They would love to be the Taliban. Sadly for them, they're stuck in a free and open society, and no one will let them.

I don't know. As much as I find this Robert Johnson distasteful I think I'd rather run into him in a dark alley than The Taliban.

304 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:04:42pm

re: #299 Catttt

Penis thread! /:D


Oh, I think I will be ill.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:04:50pm

Hey Night Honcos! It was beautiful in both Indiana and Illinois today.

I'm finally back home and I can tell you-all, I missed you terribly.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

306 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:11pm

I have to link the dancing lizards again. Someone said reptile,and someone mentioned dancing.

307 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:13pm

Another "anti-jihadist" is revealed as a liar who posted comments under fake names at Muslim boards "urging jihad:" Obsession Pundit Glen Jenvey in Meltdown.

Tim Ireland of Bloggerheads has returned to the subject of Glen Jenvey, who appeared on the anti-Islam Obsession DVD as a supposed “Free-lance Terror Investigator“. As I’ve blogged a number of times lately, Tim has found strong circumstantial evidence that Jenvey made anonymous postings to a Muslim discussion forum as “Abuislam”, urging Muslims to “target” prominent British Jews for revenge over Israeli action in Gaza - in particular, he named Sir Alan Sugar, a businessman and star of a TV competition show. Jenvey then presented these postings to the UK Sun as evidence of Muslim extremism, and he was featured in a front-page story headlined “Terror Target Sugar”. However, once Tim publicised his concerns, the story was withdrawn, and the Sun is now fending off an investigation from the Press Complaints Commission (PCC) and legal threats from Alan Sugar. Tim has now uncovered lots more - and there’s a small cameo by me in the unfolding saga.

Jenvey’s responses have been increasingly desperate. He claimed that he could prove that his computer had not been used to post to the Muslim forum - rather unconvincing given that it’s possible to own more than one computer, and to have access to more besides. Jenvey also took the predictable line that because he battles extremists, any criticism of him must be the work of extremists, and he made edits to Wikipedia accusing the PCC of supporting al-Qaeda. When the Guardian ran a short report on the PCC investigation, Jenvey then concocted a bizarre conspiracy theory about the editor of the paper, which was then promoted by his friend Jeremy Reynalds at the evangelical Christian newssite ASSIST. When that flopped, Jenvey then made a complaint to the police, accusing Tim of “hate comments”.

Wow. This is a guy who's been feeding stories to bloggers for years.

308 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:20pm

re: #295 Gus 802

From your link:

"Mr. Johnson, who holds a general science degree from West Point, also suggests that since Slime-Snake-Monkey-People insist they evolved over millions of years through a countless series of random mutations, Christians should also refer to them as "mutants."

I call 'Wolverine.'

309 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:33pm

re: #301 solomonpanting

Making love must be an audio delight:

"Oh my Darwin! Oh, oh, my Darwin. Darwindammit, that's sooooo good...."
;>)

Oooooooold joke.

310 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:40pm

re: #297 avanti

I don't agree.... unless he actually does something (instead of just lip service) he pays dearly for that fuck-up.

311 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:43pm

re: #281 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A phone call calls ... out for the night!
See yawl tomorrow!

Dialing for dollars finelly called eh...:)

312 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:50pm

re: #302 gmsc

Well, if that's what the magic-and-dirt-people want!

Class act isn't he? And the the Texas State Board of Education, Don McLeroy, is aligning himself with that. Another class act.

313 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:05:59pm
314 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:06:27pm

re: #286 David Simon

Bob Shrum (quoted by Fouad Ajami)
"I was part of the 2004 Kerry campaign which elevated the idea of Afghanistan as the 'right war' to conventional Democratic wisdom. This was accurate as criticism, but also reflexive and perhaps by now even misleading as policy."

In other words, Shrum and Kerry lied about the nature of this nation's strategy, with the aim of getting Kerry into the White House.

Taxfreekiller and Iron Fist, to name two of our more vocal lizards, have IIRC often repeated that Kerry was a traitor who deserves a long stint in a naval prison, not a Senatorial office and a place in history as the 2004 also-ran.

They're right.

315 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #309 gmsc

Oooooooold joke.

I'm old...

316 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:06:49pm

re: #313 taxfreekiller

I hate liars.

317 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:06:56pm

re: #297 avanti

He slipped up, made a non PC comment

Obama's Special Olympics snafu

Like millions of other parents, we have a special child that has competed in the Special Olympics. We know that these special people did not wish this upon themselves and many are frustrated by their situation. And then for a man gifted with intelligence, the leader our country, to laughingly say bowled as if he were in the Special Olympics on the Jay Leno show is sickening. I do not think President Obama is the man he portrays himself to be.

/many people don't see it that way

318 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:07:03pm

re: #308 jaunte

From your link:

I call 'Wolverine.'

Mutants!

319 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:07:03pm

re: #307 Charles

Jenvey also took the predictable line that because he battles extremists, any criticism of him must be the work of extremists

Sounds familiar.....

320 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:07:04pm

re: #290 albusteve

whew!...can I wear my alligator shoes?

Yes! But not on Sundays.

321 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:07:16pm

re: #308 jaunte

From your link:

I call 'Wolverine.'

I am . . . The Coon!

322 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:07:22pm

re: #297 avanti
Will there ever come a time when all of these "slip ups" count as stupidassdumbfuckery?

323 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:08:18pm

re: #306 Catttt

I have to link the dancing lizards again. Someone said reptile,and someone mentioned dancing.


exsssssselant

324 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:09:51pm
When the Guardian ran a short report on the PCC investigation, Jenvey then concocted a bizarre conspiracy theory about the editor of the paper

This sounds familiar too. The Counter-jihad is now running low on credibility because of self-serving "intellectuals", and this is harmful not only to the movement, but to those in the counter-jihad who still DO have credibility.

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:21pm

re: #321 gmsc

I am . . . The Coon!

ahhhahaha, I saw that episode!

326 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:41pm

re: #321 gmsc

I am . . . The Coon!

RACIST!

327 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:48pm

re: #275 UberInfidel67

ROFLMAO @ conniving Mormom hoopsters. That was too funny!

Hiya! Hope tonight finds you well..
So I saw Louisville play tonight and I picked them to win the Championship after reading tons of reports,scouting...everything...
After watching them tonight..I am sad to say..I picked wrong..UConn would control the lane Destroy them on the inside..Memphis is more Athletic..Duke has more hunger better team play..The Tar Heels more Experience and the whole Tyler needs to win his national championship..Pitt is about the toughest bad ass team this year..
I think the Cards had a bad showing tonight...But I picked them..So..What can you do?

328 Jaded  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:52pm

It is these idiots who really hurt the Religious Right and make people use a broad brush to denigrate them all. That any state would allow this idiocy says the people ought to go get themselves smarter legislature's. I am not one to buy the "theory" of Darwin either but I certainly do not buy the Religious Rights Adam and Eve but then I am not Religious either. I really am not of a particular thought on this issue other than this kind of cultism hurts the Republican Party and as a Conservative they are as close to a party as I get when voting time comes around.

Religious devotee's need to check their ferver at their homes and churches and quietly at the ballot box! That is not to say they should not speak or vote their value's but just like Hollywood they need not necessarily throw their religion into their debates.

329 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:54pm

re: #306 Catttt

I have to link the dancing lizards again. Someone said reptile,and someone mentioned dancing.


[Video]

Bipedal lizards! Evolution!

330 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:59pm

Robert Johnson's 29 songs:

Kindhearted Woman Blues *
I Believe I'll Dust My Broom
Sweet Home Chicago
Rambling on My Mind *
When You Got a Good Friend *
Come on in My Kitchen *
Terraplane Blues
Phonograph Blues *
32-20 Blues
They're Red Hot
Dead Shrimp Blues
Cross Road Blues *
Walking Blues
Last Fair Deal Gone Down
Preaching Blues (Up Jumped the Devil)
If I Had Possession Over Judgment Day
Stones in My Passway
I'm a Steady Rollin' Man
From Four Till Late
Hellhound on My Trail
Little Queen of Spades *
Malted Milk
Drunken Hearted Man *
Me and the Devil Blues *
Stop Breakin' Down Blues *
Traveling Riverside Blues
Honeymoon Blues
Love in Vain *
Milkcow's Calf Blues *

Twelve of them (the starred ones) were recorded twice.

331 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:10:59pm

re: #307 Charles

Another "anti-jihadist" is revealed as a liar who posted comments under fake names at Muslim boards "urging jihad:" Obsession Pundit Glen Jenvey in Meltdown.


Wow. This is a guy who's been feeding stories to bloggers for years.

Wasn't "Obsession" mostly a repeat of Mideast clerics' rantings? I thought it was a piece of war propaganda. I also thought it was true propaganda; comparable to Capra's "Why We Fight".

This is sad, that Jenvey was himself such an obsessive.

332 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:12:06pm

re: #327 HoosierHoops Outside of Steeler football, I don't watch Pittsburgh teams. Is Pitt still in it?

333 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:12:42pm

re: #297 avanti

He slipped up, made a non PC comment, apologized and in the long run the comment will provide a learning moment according to S.O. head.

I don't mind the non PCness of what he said. But what gets me is that it was a juvenile joke. A grown man shouldn't say that. I agree that this will and should blow over soon, though.

334 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:14:03pm

re: #327 HoosierHoops
Oh, and I am well tonite...hope you are too : ) I just giggle at your enthusiasm at these games. lol But give me pro football or Penn State football ANY DAY and I am like a spider monkey jacked up on Mountain Dew. lol

335 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:14:08pm

re: #307 Charles

I think somebody got busted a few months ago planting fake messages over at Ummah-dot-com too. The story was a little too complicated for me to follow at the time. Same guy?

336 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:14:30pm

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

RACIST!

Isn't that code for 'socialist', er sumpin'?

337 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:14:36pm

re: #306 Catttt
Cause you were kind

338 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:14:59pm

re: #333 Basho

to me, his comment was much more than "non PC" and "juvenile". It was ignorant and embarrassing.

339 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:15:01pm

re: #310 WindHorse

I don't agree.... unless he actually does something (instead of just lip service) he pays dearly for that fuck-up.

It's the kind on non PC comment most of us make in private, he just slipped in public. Not near as bad as the clinging to God and guns one.
He'll make nice to the Special Olympics guys, invite a few to the White House and only the right will try to keep it going. If you go to the Special Olympics, they are trying to stop the use of terms like moron and retard and I see those used often. The world has become way to PC for me to keep up with.

340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:15:20pm

re: #333 Basho

I don't mind the non PCness of what he said. But what gets me is that it was a juvenile joke. A grown man shouldn't say that. I agree that this will and should blow over soon, though.

he doesn't have a sense of humor at all. I have to wonder if it was removed during his years with his mother and her various muslim husbands.

341 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:15:25pm
342 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #338 WindHorse

The President of the United states, no less.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:16:00pm

re: #336 gmsc

Hope you enjoyed that little exercise earlier. I enjoyed your answer. I was right. You are smart.

344 Gort  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:16:41pm

I am a Monster (one-eyed).

Here is a three-eyed monster: [Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
(a different kind of monster altogether)

345 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:17:22pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hope you enjoyed that little exercise earlier. I enjoyed your answer. I was right. You are smart.

I appreciate the compliment!

It was also a good lesson for me in finding out what the question was, before giving the answer.
;)

346 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:17:25pm
347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:17:49pm

re: #344 Gort

A different kind of monster.

(Airplane! joke. Get it!?)

348 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #339 avanti

I'll agree with you on the world being too PC.... but this, to me, is inexcusable. It just so happens that these people are fairly defenseless on a certain level. To take a "humorous" (ahem) swipe at them really demonstrates a lack of soul..... Barry.

349 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:18:38pm

i is lurking youse cant see me

350 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:18:56pm

re: #328 Jaded

It is these idiots who really hurt the Religious Right and make people use a broad brush to denigrate them all. That any state would allow this idiocy says the people ought to go get themselves smarter legislature's. I am not one to buy the "theory" of Darwin either but I certainly do not buy the Religious Rights Adam and Eve but then I am not Religious either. I really am not of a particular thought on this issue other than this kind of cultism hurts the Republican Party and as a Conservative they are as close to a party as I get when voting time comes around.

Religious devotee's need to check their ferver at their homes and churches and quietly at the ballot box! That is not to say they should not speak or vote their value's but just like Hollywood they need not necessarily throw their religion into their debates.

Umm...the word 'theory' is much stronger in its scientific context than the hunch or guess it means in common parlance. The theory of evolution is as strong as are atomic theory and the theory of gravity.

351 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:05pm

More pablum from Robert Bowie Johnson Jr.

“National Review’s” Disgraceful Capitulation To Atheistic Evolution

I search for a positive side to this idiotic thinking on the part of the editors of “National Review.” Perhaps this is it: liberal and conservative mutants, their philosophies now dovetailing into one common belief about their origins, can walk arm-in-arm, outstripping Descartes as they boast to one another, “By chance 300 million years ago, two reptiles had sex; therefore, we are.”

Robert Bowie Johnson Jr.

352 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:08pm

re: #300 The Shadow Do

I'm a minus seven. Problem is I had both Utah teams advancing in the next round! Mormon ballers are untrustworthy. Never hobnob with a Mormon baller. They will lose basketball games all the time, every time. Their mission is to mess with my brackets. why did I not see this before?

LOL
You seriously..honest to gawd can not think some slow tall white boys from Utah that can't even jump could win in the big dance do you?
I'll pray for you tonight..
*wink*
I know I just jinx'd my karma and the brackets..but I couldn't resist..

353 David Simon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:11pm

re: #314 Zimriel

In other words, Shrum and Kerry lied about the nature of this nation's strategy, with the aim of getting Kerry into the White House.

And if Michael Gordon and Bernard Trainor quoted Colon Powell and Richard Armitage correctly in their book, Cobra II, Bush eschewed their advice to postpone the Iraq attack until after the election.

I'm not a Bush fan by any means, but I don't doubt the man's integrity. I can't say the same for Kerry.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:15pm

re: #102 Summer

If you click on the cartoons to see examples of what is in the game, they have one about your daughter bringing home an ethnic boyfriend and having to pay $500 for the incident.

Does the ethnic kid back into your car, or is that the price of a good prom dress these days?

355 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:25pm

re: #307 Charles

Down at the bottom of the article there's a related link about Glen Genvy being friends with Lionheart. Yeesh

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:46pm

re: #348 WindHorse

Tonight, had a friendly argument with Sam (a good friend of mine)...

Asked him to close his eyes; imagine that it was W who said it.

He said, "I see your point."

HAH!

357 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:19:50pm

re: #348 WindHorse

Obama looks down on everyone, he is at best a condescending prick.

358 Gort  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:20:02pm

re: #347 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A different kind of monster.

(Airplane! joke. Get it!?)

It looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue...
[Link: sfist.com...]

359 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:20:07pm

re: #324 Sharmuta

This sounds familiar too. The Counter-jihad is now running low on credibility because of self-serving "intellectuals", and this is harmful not only to the movement, but to those in the counter-jihad who still DO have credibility.

It seems like every intellectual movement seems to eventually get usurped by the crazies and drag everyone down with them.

I'll just stick to Steyn from now on. Every other counter-jihad person I used to follow has let me down in some way.

360 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:21:10pm
361 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:21:19pm

re: #338 WindHorse

to me, his comment was much more than "non PC" and "juvenile". It was ignorant and embarrassing.

I liked Fox's Neil Cavuto's take on that issue and the interview.

362 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:21:25pm
363 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:21:33pm

re: #359 Basho

It seems like every intellectual movement seems to eventually get usurped by the crazies and drag everyone down with them.

I'll just stick to Steyn from now on. Every other counter-jihad person I used to follow has let me down in some way.

Steyn defended pamela geller, btw. I'll stick with LGF, Daniel Pipes, and Michael Totten.

364 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:21:56pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

Steyn defended pamela geller, btw. I'll stick with LGF, Daniel Pipes, and Michael Totten.

And Bruce Bawer.

365 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:22:21pm

...

366 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:22:35pm

re: #358 Gort

It looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue...
[Link: sfist.com...]

I want you to get every light you can, and pour it onto that field!

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:22:39pm

re: #345 gmsc

Question was formed improperly by me. First of all, I should have said, "Hey, you follow basketball?"

/

368 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:22:49pm

that was longer in preview.

369 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:23:40pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

Jeez... I should just stop following this thing all together.

370 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:24:07pm

re: #348 WindHorse

I'll agree with you on the world being too PC.... but this, to me, is inexcusable. It just so happens that these people are fairly defenseless on a certain level. To take a "humorous" (ahem) swipe at them really demonstrates a lack of soul..... Barry.

And let's also remember that we're not talking about some guy making a joke in a bar somewhere.

We're talking about the President of the United States, on national... sorry, GLOBAL... television.

371 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:24:08pm

re: #286 David Simon

WOW, thanks for linking that

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:24:28pm

re: #364 Sharmuta

I think Sharmuta's kind of cool too.

373 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:24:50pm
374 DEZes  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:24:57pm

Well i am outta here, have a great one all.

375 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:25:27pm

re: #297 avanti

He slipped up, made a non PC comment, apologized and in the long run the comment will provide a learning moment according to S.O. head. Like the Nancy Reagan comment, news for a day.

link.

You are nothing other than a shill for FCBBHO.

376 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:25:57pm

In 2035 universities will offer degrees in the study of Post Modern Fascism.

And the upper division courses will focus on the early 21st century.

And at a leading university the course "Post Modern Fascism 302" will be titled "Obamatons - how mass psychosis could rationalize anything."

(I too can Hope for Change)

377 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #363 Sharmuta

Steyn defended pamela geller, btw. I'll stick with LGF, Daniel Pipes, and Michael Totten.

He's still very good. His points are witty and spot on. I'm not going to back away from him over one questionable defense.

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:26:25pm

Cleveland State? You kidding me?

379 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:26:27pm

re: #338 WindHorse

to me, his comment was much more than "non PC" and "juvenile". It was ignorant and embarrassing.

Clueless, classless, and cruel. I think it was typical of "cool" Jr. High humor.

But the majority of American voters apparently like that behavior. He exhibited it plenty during his campaigns against Hillary Clinton and John McCain and won.

380 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:26:48pm
381 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:04pm

Mama Cass:

382 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:24pm

re: #379 funky chicken

I think it was typical of "cool" Jr. High humor.

Perfect.

383 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:29pm

re: #369 Basho

I still follow stories about the RoP, they are still a topic of concern. However, I'm very skeptical about where stories come from, the reliability of sources, political affiliations of sources, etc.
Be skeptical follow the links and don't let any on the counter-jihad bloggers tell you what a story is about or what it means. Follow the links and make up your own mind. Too many of them are full of shit.

384 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:32pm

re: #374 DEZes

Well i am outta here, have a great one all.

Good night, DEZes!

385 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:33pm

Between crypto-fascist infiltration and the trivializing of child abuse- I need a breath of fresh air.

386 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:42pm

re: #330 Salamantis

I am intrigue by Dead shrimp blues I love dead shrimp. How can you have the blues?

387 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:27:52pm

US Looking for Reciprocal Iranian Gesture After Obama Message

The State Department said Friday U.S. officials are looking for a reciprocal gesture from Iran after President Barack Obama's conciliatory holiday message to the Iranian people and government Thursday. Mr. Obama said in a broadcast for the Iranian new year holiday Nowruz that the United States wants "honest engagement" with Tehran based on mutual respect.

State Department officials say the broadcast overture by the President is only one of several gestures planned by the administration to back up its expressed interest in better relations with Iran. And they say they're hopeful Iran will at some point respond in a similar fashion so that the two countries - without formal relations for three decades - can open a real dialogue.

Gee, maybe Iran wasn't clear enough last time.

/I mean, how many times do they have to tell Obama to [expletive deleted] off before he gets it?

388 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:28:02pm

re: #334 UberInfidel67

Oh, and I am well tonite...hope you are too : ) I just giggle at your enthusiasm at these games. lol But give me pro football or Penn State football ANY DAY and I am like a spider monkey jacked up on Mountain Dew. lol

Thank you...I get carried away with basketball sometimes..And this is my favorite time of the year..

389 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:28:37pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Good advice, thanks!

390 lostlakehiker  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:28:54pm
What kind of monster parents teach their children that they’re descended from rodents and reptiles?


Me. Well, not exactly. They're descended from me, not from rodents and reptiles. And if you go back many generations, say, 50 thousand, you get some fire-using early human, smartest animal on the planet but not up to putting any sort of elaborate edge on a rock.

If you go back further, you get the common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans...an ape, too, big brained, capable, and tough in a tough world. But not up to using fire. Sharp sticks, yeah. Chimps do that nowadays, for that matter.

Further still, and you get smaller primates. Further yet, a common ancestor to the earliest primates and the rodents. Back, back, back, FISH! Back---worms! Yes, dear. I am your father, and your mother is your mother, and we have kept our vows, which is more than many a TV preacher can vouch, but if you go back a really big number of generations, your gggg-bignumber-grandmother is a worm. And the same goes for all the other people around you. Not that this makes them worms, any more than it makes you a worm. But still---a worm is a tube of living cells, ingesting and excreting to live. Just like you. You're the new advanced model super duper version, but we all had humble beginnings.

And there's more of a back trail before the worm. The worm, you must understand, was once the crown of creation, with many cells, nerve ganglia even!, and hence a superior ability to sense its environment and shape its actions to that environment.

Go forth and sense your environment and match your actions to reality. Stay with a billion-year old family tradition. Stay away from those monsters who suggest that reality isn't real, that a drug-induced haze, or a doctrinally-induced haze, is the answer. Your brain is yours, and you have a right to use it. Those worms with their ganglia didn't work all those generations to produce human seaweed, drifting with the splash and spray of manipulators who don't like humans who use their brains.

391 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:29:04pm

my response to comments about Neil Cavuto and Jay Leno?

Who are these bozos? They mean nothing to me. They are nobodies. I could give a shit about hollywood.... or the news media.... or pop culture on any level.

What obama did, on the most basic level (that not only conservatives understand, but liberals do too) is offensive and stupid. it reveals his complete lack of understanding of a world most of us live in every day.

Anyone who wants to gloss over this President in terms of his instantaneous appeal in the opinion of some dickhead who thinks "glasses" will make him look more sincere is sadly mistaken.

392 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:29:18pm

OK, done searching. About the only thing I found in common with Robert Johnson is that Obama's a narcissist.

393 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:29:25pm

re: #333 Basho

I don't mind the non PCness of what he said. But what gets me is that it was a juvenile joke. A grown man shouldn't say that. I agree that this will and should blow over soon, though.

I did not even pay any attention at the time, I laughed as did the crowd. I took at him poking fun at his bowling skills, but later realized it was a screw up. He's lucky the Special Olympics is headed up by a big time leftie, Obama supporter.

394 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:29:37pm

re: #297 avanti

He slipped up, made a non PC comment, apologized and in the long run the comment will provide a learning moment according to S.O. head. Like the Nancy Reagan comment, news for a day.

link.

Let me post a comment in which you accused Lizards of being sorta' happy about the economic collapse.

I'll admit I have not, but unlike some others, I hope he succeeds in turning the economy. If being happy when the market goes ups, and my IRA goes up is selfish, so be it. I never said word when some on here were almost gleeful when the market tanked, allow me to be happy if it goes up. If BHO plan does not work. or can't work, then the market will tank again.

395 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:29:45pm

re: #381 gmsc

Mama Crass

396 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:30:01pm

re: #308 jaunte

From your link:

I call 'Wolverine.'

Police Officer: Drop the knives and put your hands in the air. I said, drop the knives!
Logan/Wolverine: This is just a misunderstanding—
Police Officer: Put the knives DOWN!
Logan/Wolverine: I can't.

397 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:30:07pm

Speaking of nuts I just checked Atlas and Pamela is selling "Nirth Certifikit" t-shirts.
/I shit you not.

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:30:08pm

re: #202 Killian Bundy

Special Olympics Bowler Offers Obama Bowling Tips


So, Obama, you've been duly challenged for your insult, the gauntlet laid down after slapping you across your face. Are you man enough to step up or just a cowardly, sniveling wimp?

And the contest should be held at the White House bowling alley and televised in the Leno time slot.

/loser's a moron

Awesome.

399 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:30:52pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

LOL
You seriously..honest to gawd can not think some slow tall white boys from Utah that can't even jump could win in the big dance do you?
I'll pray for you tonight..
*wink*
I know I just jinx'd my karma and the brackets..but I couldn't resist..

I must upding you for your insight. Why or why was I so blind!

I bet you Mormons could so jump if they wanted to! Bastids.-

400 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:31:13pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts I just checked Atlas and Pamela is selling "Nirth Certifikit" t-shirts.
/I shit you not.

I want one with a matching beanie hat with a propellor.

//

401 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:31:48pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts I just checked Atlas and Pamela is selling "Nirth Certifikit" t-shirts.
/I shit you not.

Oy.

402 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:31:52pm

re: #219 Salamantis

That's all he ever recorded. He recorded two versions of some of them, though.

All of rock, jazz and blues sprang from the 29 songs of this one amazing musician.

The mitochondrial Eve of American music.

403 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:32:58pm

re: #375 MandyManners

You are nothing other than a shill for FCBBHO.

And you against him, is not politics grand. Half the country is pissed about half the time. It'll be my turn to be pissed again someday.

404 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:33:17pm

What can you make with 50 brassieres?

405 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:33:55pm

re: #403 avanti

And you against him, is not politics grand. Half the country is pissed about half the time. It'll be my turn to be pissed again someday.

I am glad to hear you are happy with the state of the country.

406 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:34:00pm

re: #381 gmsc

Thank you so much for that. I loved it...I loved her! OMG I am gushing.

407 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:34:17pm

re: #247 Killian Bundy

/not sure he wants a piece of the dude with the 266 average

Probably not. But maybe the dude would be willing to give him some lessons.

408 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:35:40pm
409 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:36:03pm

re: #408 ploome hineni

that was really good!

410 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:36:06pm

re: #388 HoosierHoops
Hey go with that! During football season I suffer anxiety attacks! I know where you are coming from. We have to keep the windows closed during Steeler games so the neighbors don't hear me cussing like a sailor. lol

411 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:36:17pm

100 beanies with chin straps......

412 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:36:46pm

re: #386 BatGuano

I am intrigue by Dead shrimp blues I love dead shrimp. How can you have the blues?

Good shrimp gone bad?

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:10pm

re: #408 ploome hineni

a BIG fire

(fixed...consider the source)

:P

414 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:13pm

re: #403 avanti

And you against him, is not politics grand. Half the country is pissed about half the time. It'll be my turn to be pissed again someday.

You have not adequately addressed FCBBHO's attacks against mentally retarded folks to my satisfaction.

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:15pm

re: #303 Gus 802

I don't know. As much as I find this Robert Johnson distasteful I think I'd rather run into him in a dark alley than The Taliban.

Yeah, me too, but please refer to the free and open society that won't let him. He'd be scarier if his goons could kill you with impunity in the name of God.

416 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:29pm

re: #408 ploome hineni

a fire

Well, only if you throw in a few "voitures" for the occasion.

417 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:32pm

re: #404 WindHorse

What can you make with 50 brassieres?

You could definitely make men pay more attention to you...

418 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:51pm

re: #408 ploome hineni

a fire

CALL THE EPA!

419 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:37:54pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts I just checked Atlas and Pamela is selling "Nirth Certifikit" t-shirts.
/I shit you not.

She's also getting blocked by government computers.

420 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:38:34pm
What kind of monster parents teach their children that they’re descended from rodents and reptiles?

We are stardust.

421 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:38:51pm

re: #322 UberInfidel67

Will there ever come a time when all of these "slip ups" count as stupidassdumbfuckery?

I thought 'slip ups' was the kind word for stupidassdumbfuckery.

422 Gort  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:18pm

re: #390 lostlakehiker


...
And there's more of a back trail before the worm. The worm, you must understand, was once the crown of creation, with many cells, nerve ganglia even!, and hence a superior ability to sense its environment and shape its actions to that environment.
...

/It's so hard trying to conceive how man came to be...

423 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #404 WindHorse

What can you make with 50 brassieres?

A memorable ad for Breast Awareness Week?

424 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:29pm

re: #420 itellu3times

We are stardust.

Hence, the sneezing.

425 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:37pm

re: #405 karmic_inquisitor

I am glad to hear you are happy with the state of the country.

I'm happy to believe it'll get better. His approval with the base is sky high, and that will just drive the conservative rights opinion lower as more bill get passed.

426 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:49pm

re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist

**breaking out the thesaurus** lol

427 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:50pm

re: #415 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, me too, but please refer to the free and open society that won't let him. He'd be scarier if his goons could kill you with impunity in the name of God.

I know and it could happen but that would take a serious demise of American society to devolve to that level.

428 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:39:52pm

re: #419 Sharmuta

She's also getting blocked by government computers.

She might be a wacko crank, but I am not sure I am a fan of her being filtered out.

Maybe some politician will run on a free speech platform someday.

429 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:41:02pm

re: #403 avanti

And, there is this matter.

I'll admit I have not, but unlike some others, I hope he succeeds in turning the economy. If being happy when the market goes ups, and my IRA goes up is selfish, so be it. I never said word when some on here were almost gleeful when the market tanked, allow me to be happy if it goes up. If BHO plan does not work. or can't work, then the market will tank again.

430 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:41:06pm

re: #420 itellu3times

We are stardust.

Stardust...

Gonna listen, watch...then go to bed. Goodnight, my friends.

431 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:41:07pm

re: #426 UberInfidel67

**breaking out the thesaurus** lol

The Urban Roget's?

432 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:41:46pm

re: #403 avanti

And you against him, is not politics grand. Half the country is pissed about half the time. It'll be my turn to be pissed again someday.



THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT!

Politics is not just percentage points or divisions in America..
It is our Values..Our Trusts..our Leaders..our friends..our enemies..
It is more than nay nay we won..we have the votes.It is what is good for America...See your bold..This is not a pissing match..

433 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:42:02pm

re: #425 avanti
His "base" is full of wackos! My brother was willing to give him a chance, too. He now sees the folly of his ways. And he has been a Marine for 24+ years! Screw his base...they suck. He sucks. Every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie...or a WingDing.

434 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:42:09pm

re: #428 karmic_inquisitor

She might be a wacko crank, but I am not sure I am a fan of her being filtered out.

Maybe some politician will run on a free speech platform someday.

I agree, but I'm also not going to feel bad about it. She's made a bed for herself. Perhaps if she hadn't given the finger to so many, we'd be able to help. As it stands, she can get the block removed on her own.

435 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:42:34pm

re: #352 HoosierHoops

LOL
You seriously..honest to gawd can not think some slow tall white boys from Utah that can't even jump could win in the big dance do you?
I'll pray for you tonight..
*wink*
I know I just jinx'd my karma and the brackets..but I couldn't resist..

You're forgetting the magic of Keith Van Horn.

436 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:42:42pm

re: #429 MandyManners

And, there is this matter.

I'll admit I have not, but unlike some others, I hope he succeeds in turning the economy. If being happy when the market goes ups, and my IRA goes up is selfish, so be it. I never said word when some on here were almost gleeful when the market tanked, allow me to be happy if it goes up. If BHO plan does not work. or can't work, then the market will tank again.

437 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:42:48pm

re: #387 Killian Bundy

US Looking for Reciprocal Iranian Gesture After Obama Message

Gee, maybe Iran wasn't clear enough last time.

/I mean, how many times do they have to tell Obama to [expletive deleted] off before he gets it?

bbbbbbut of course they will reciprocate. All we need to do is to extend hand in peace and love.

////////////////

438 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:43:03pm

This is the age of retrograde: Democratic institutions being taken over by Marxists, and the education system becoming the playground for small minded religious fanatics like McLeroy. Those injured by the craziness, our children, won't know what hit them - all to the detriment of our country's future.

439 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:43:16pm

re: #431 Gus 802
The one and only. Screw those old white men who wrote the previous versions. Buncha damn racists.

440 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:44:09pm

re: #439 UberInfidel67

The one and only. Screw those old white men who wrote the previous versions. Buncha damn racists.

Power to the people!

YouknowwhatImsayin'

///

441 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:44:40pm

re: #437 ggt
"Reciprocal gesture"? Anyone else wanna take this? I know what I think it is.

442 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:44:42pm

re: #387 Killian Bundy

Gee, maybe Iran wasn't clear enough last time.

/I mean, how many times do they have to tell Obama to [expletive deleted] off before he gets it?

This is from a couple days ago. Iran: Obama policy disappointing

Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said the Obama administration’s stances on Iran have been “disappointing“...

The senior lawmaker was referring to Obama’s stances and moves against the Islamic Republic that are a far cry from his campaign pledges to bring “change“ to US foreign policy.

On Thursday, the first Afro-American US leader renewed sanctions against Iran for another year and like his controversial predecessor claimed that Tehran is still a threat to US national security, Presstv reported. Obama has vowed to begin direct talks with Iran to normalize relations between the two estranged powers. He has, however, made no concrete offer and his decision to renew the sanctions seems to undermine the US administrations’ claim to normalize ties to Iran.

443 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:45:12pm

re: #440 Gus 802
Yeah Gus! **fist bump** lol

444 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:46:03pm

Michael Yon is good, too; if we're on the subject of pundit / reporters who aren't nutty.

I'm off to bed. Good night lizards. Spare a gamey buttock for me.

445 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:46:13pm

re: #443 UberInfidel67

Yeah Gus! **fist bump** lol

I got a new one: The Power Fist Bump!

No justice, no beer!

//

446 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:47:00pm

re: #445 Gus 802

Hell, I know a lot of people that would get behind that one. Damn skeerrry shit right thar!

447 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:47:08pm

re: #438 Kreuzueber Halbmond

This is the age of retrograde: Democratic institutions being taken over by Marxists, and the education system becoming the playground for small minded religious fanatics like McLeroy. Those injured by the craziness, our children, won't know what hit them - all to the detriment of our country's future.

"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right."

448 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:47:53pm

OK. The Special Olympics comment does not bother me.

What really bothers me about Obama is the fact that he crammed the Stimulus bill up our ass on Friday the 13th. He said it had to get voted on and passed NOW!

No politician was given a chance to thoroughly review what was IN IT, let alone the public (like he had earlier promised). Then it sat on his desk until Tuesday the 17th before he signed it. Why the delay?

Next, I distrust the president for his comment that "No one in this administration had anything to do with the AIG bonuses". This was found to be a blatant lie, as exposed by Chris Dodd about 3 hours later.

I do not trust this man.

I have no confidence in his ability to lead this nation out of the current financial meltdown (which was brought on by Chris Dodd, Bawney Fwank, Tim Geitner, et al).

I would like for this president to stop spending money we do not have. Now is the time to cut spending to essential activities only. Now is the time to reduce the size of government. Now is the time to provide incentives to private business and reduce taxes. This has proven time and time again to boost the economy.

Show mer ONE time where spending our way out of a financial crisis has worked.

449 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:01pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Here I am stuck in the middle with a dem controlled house and senate.

/Oh what? Those aren't the lyrics?

450 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:24pm

re: #446 UberInfidel67

Hell, I know a lot of people that would get behind that one. Damn skeerrry shit right thar!

They would? Don't think I ever did a fist bump. Maybe a high five. Thought the "soul" handshake was too affected.

451 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:26pm

Good evening y'all - hope everyone is at least starting to calm down after such a weirod news day!

452 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:29pm

re: #414 MandyManners

You have not adequately addressed FCBBHO's attacks against mentally retarded folks to my satisfaction.

No one thinks he made a purposeful attack, or attacks on special needs children, he just screwed up with his comment, much as you did with the non PC use of the word "retarded"

From the Special Olympics web site.

"Most people don’t think of this word as hate speech, but that’s exactly what it feels like to millions of people with intellectual disabilities, their families and friends. This word is just as cruel and offensive as any other slur.

Here's the link to the special day to end even accidental use of hate speech like you used.

The R word.

453 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:30pm

re: #447 Gus 802

"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right."

454 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:53pm

re: #449 UberInfidel67

Here I am stuck in the middle with a dem controlled house and senate.

/Oh what? Those aren't the lyrics?

See #453

455 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:55pm

re: #450 Gus 802
Not the fist bump...the part about the beer.

456 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:48:56pm

re: #387 Killian Bundy

It's like they're in fucking high school.

457 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:49:16pm

re: #444 Zimriel

Michael Yon is good, too; if we're on the subject of pundit / reporters who aren't nutty.

I'm thinking of purchasing Yon's latest book (the name escapes me). Has anyone read it? I want a book that gives a nice, scholarly type pf perspective on how Gen. Petraeus turned the Iraqi War around. Is Yon's book recommended on these grounds?

458 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:49:27pm

re: #431 Gus 802

The Urban Roget's?


When my son was young it called it "the Saurus".

459 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:49:28pm

re: #455 UberInfidel67

Not the fist bump...the part about the beer.

Ah right. Riot for beer!

460 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:49:59pm

re: #452 avanti
**wondering** What if he said he bowled like a limp wristed fag? Hmmmmmmmmmm...............

461 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:50:05pm

re: #441 UberInfidel67

"Reciprocal gesture"? Anyone else wanna take this? I know what I think it is.

Peace and Love!

teehee

462 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:50:29pm

re: #425 avanti

I'm happy to believe it'll get better. His approval with the base is sky high, and that will just drive the conservative rights opinion lower as more bill get passed.

Well here is an example of what Obama is literally ushering in.

Scott Murphy was hand picked by the Obamas to run for now Senator Kirsten Gillibrand's seat in upstate New York.

Scott worked to block ROTC from returning to Harvard, saying in 1989:

“The military not only discriminates on the basis of sexual preference but also on the basis of sex and race. Women are not allowed to serve in combat roles even if they are physically superior to males who do serve in combat. And, while there are not explicit rules discriminating against minorities, the Congressional Black Caucus has found that ‘racism has become institutionalized at all levels of the military….Black and other minority service men are victims of discrimination from the time that they enter the services until the time that they are discharged.’ Will Harvard choose to ignore this discrimination?”


and


“The values enforced by the military – submission to authority, unquestioning obedience, and a hierarchy of power – are contrary to the University’s values of independence, thoughtful inquiry, and equality for all.”


and


“Harvard should not increase its ties to the nation’s military. The military is an important mechanism by which the US projects its power around the world. The name of Harvard University should not be used blindly to promote every aspect of US military activity world-wide.”

He, like his mentor Obama, is a spineless elitist prick.

But more importantly, Scott Murphy was running well behind the Republican candidate in the polls until the Obama political machine unleashed a saturation of the media using a war chest of dollars collected out of the district. The margin is now 4%. In what has been a traditional republican district.

Obama runs a machine that promotes radical leftism and suffocates all dissent.

You are a little cog in that machine. A fine accomplishment in life.

463 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:50:32pm

PIFW

464 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:51:02pm

re: #453 gmsc

Beer bottle slide.

465 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:51:06pm

re: #454 Gus 802
I am ashamed to admit...I never knew who it was that sang that song ; (

466 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:51:09pm

re: #448 Racer X

OK. The Special Olympics comment does not bother me.

What really bothers me about Obama is the fact that he crammed the Stimulus bill up our ass on Friday the 13th. He said it had to get voted on and passed NOW!

No politician was given a chance to thoroughly review what was IN IT, let alone the public (like he had earlier promised). Then it sat on his desk until Tuesday the 17th before he signed it. Why the delay?

Next, I distrust the president for his comment that "No one in this administration had anything to do with the AIG bonuses". This was found to be a blatant lie, as exposed by Chris Dodd about 3 hours later.

I do not trust this man.

I have no confidence in his ability to lead this nation out of the current financial meltdown (which was brought on by Chris Dodd, Bawney Fwank, Tim Geitner, et al).

I would like for this president to stop spending money we do not have. Now is the time to cut spending to essential activities only. Now is the time to reduce the size of government. Now is the time to provide incentives to private business and reduce taxes. This has proven time and time again to boost the economy.

Show mer ONE time where spending our way out of a financial crisis has worked.

Now you are discussing real issues. I have no idea if all this spending will work, I've seen experts on both sides. My only hope is that BHO, has the better experts, but only time will tell.

467 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:51:18pm

re: #460 UberInfidel67

**wondering** What if he said he bowled like a limp wristed fag? Hmmmmmmmmmm...............

My bowling average is 86. It's like the 0bama administration or something.

468 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:51:51pm

re: #465 UberInfidel67

I am ashamed to admit...I never knew who it was that sang that song ; (

I wouldn't remember the name. Although I've heard of Stealer's Wheel before.

469 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:52:06pm

re: #459 Gus 802
Umm yeah! What else is there to riot for?/////// : )

470 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:52:06pm

re: #425 avanti

I'm happy to believe it'll get better. His approval with the base is sky high, and that will just drive the conservative rights opinion lower as more bill get passed.

Approval politically with his base equals good for the country? Do you want to think about that for a couple of minutes or are you good with your statement? Just wondering.

471 VioletTiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:52:10pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout
Okay, I didn't take your word for it, so I checked. ....
And I still can't believe it.
Wonder if she'll sell any.

472 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:52:55pm

re: #461 ggt
OMG that is EXACTLY what I was thinking! (not)
lol

473 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:52:59pm

re: #469 UberInfidel67

Umm yeah! What else is there to riot for?/////// : )

Tobacco, firearms, and food. //

474 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:53:00pm

re: #452 avanti

So I should disregard my own sensibilities because the Special Olympics says so? How leftist of you. Sorry, but I am going to continue to think for myself.

475 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:53:31pm

re: #466 avanti

Now you are discussing real issues.

GFY

476 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:53:44pm

re: #466 avanti

Now you are discussing real issues.

477 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:01pm

re: #467 gmsc
Ohhhh you are gonna piss off the libs!

478 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:09pm

re: #457 Basho

I'm thinking of purchasing Yon's latest book (the name escapes me). Has anyone read it? I want a book that gives a nice, scholarly type pf perspective on how Gen. Petraeus turned the Iraqi War around. Is Yon's book recommended on these grounds?

Yeah, Moment Of Truth In Iraq is well worth your coin. But it's not academic scholarship so much as combat reportage, and lessons learned and applied.

479 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:14pm

re: #435 Mr. In get Mr. Out

You're forgetting the magic of Keith Van Horn.

LOL
Dinged you..very nice..
It always pissed me off that a Center over 7 foot would stand outside 18 feet and throw up shots....Like Smits...
If I run the team../here we go/ I can find any wing man that can shoot better than you..and if you can't post up..sit down..I can find a power forward that can kick your ass under the basket..I would fine my center 10 grand for every 3 pointer he jacked up..

480 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #448 Racer X

Didn't 0bama promise us the most transparent administration ever, then he signed that monstrosity of a bill in private?

481 Gort  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:51pm

re: #452 avanti

No one thinks he made a purposeful attack, or attacks on special needs children, he just screwed up with his comment, ...

It just slipped out, innocently. Like... Like a whisper...
Like a fluff... Like... Uncontrollable diarrhea of the mouth.

482 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:52pm

re: #460 UberInfidel67

**wondering** What if he said he bowled like a limp wristed fag? Hmmmmmmmmmm...............

I can't think of any group that would not bitch. We live in a country where Mr Magoo is not PC, and it's almost impossible to crack wise about anything any more. Well, maybe the left, the right, and Christians.

483 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:54:56pm

re: #447 Gus 802

"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right."

It's fucking worse than "clowns and jokers". It's like communists and the inquisition, and they're messing with a bunch of folks who are getting tired of just sitting in the middle.

484 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:55:00pm

re: #466 avanti

I have no idea if all this spending will work, I've seen experts on both sides. My only hope is that BHO, has the better experts, but only time will tell.

So far, he has been a total disappointment. From his failed cabinet picks, to his diplomatic gaffes (diplomacy was supposed to be his strength), to his blatant lying on the stimulus bill, to his inept handling of the AIG bonuses.

Nothing he has done so far gives me confidence that he "has the better experts".

485 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:55:04pm

re: #473 Gus 802
Damn! Now I gotta start writing shit down? WTF?

486 Neutral President  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:55:21pm

From the Book of Moron, Asininities Chapter 2, Verse 37:

Beware the beast Evolutionist, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone in his claims to spawn from God's primates, he seeks facts for science or Nazism or immorality. Yea, he will deny the word of God to possess your childrens' minds. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a heretics den of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his university lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

487 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:55:52pm

re: #466 avanti

Now you are discussing real issues. I have no idea if all this spending will work, I've seen experts on both sides. My only hope is that BHO, has the better experts, but only time will tell.

You are a low-life mother-fucking commie bastard.

488 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:00pm

re: #485 UberInfidel67

Damn! Now I gotta start writing shit down? WTF?

Yep, checklist.

489 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:08pm

hahahahahaha.....

his approval with the base is sky high.... yee haw, now isn't THAT funny!.

Check back in six months when all of the unemployment benefits are gone and Obama is still dithering about defending Geithner (who, any day now, will have it all figured out.... as soon as he files his tax returns)....

- or making offensive "jokes".... or both!

490 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:33pm

re: #480 Sharmuta

Didn't 0bama promise us the most transparent administration ever, then he signed that monstrosity of a bill in private?

Actually he waited 4 days to sign the bill in front of a hand picked audience. It was the time we all had to review the bill that was a complete sham.

491 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:39pm

re: #482 avanti
*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*. I was wondering if you and your side would let it pass so easily.

492 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:57pm

re: #466 avanti

I have no idea if all this spending will work, I've seen experts on both sides. My only hope is that BHO, has the better experts, but only time will tell.

I'm skeptical, but the Keynesian in me says all the spending will work out. I'm just worried about unforeseen tradeoffs... What will get cut in the future? That type of thing.

493 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:56:58pm

re: #427 Gus 802

I know and it could happen but that would take a serious demise of American society to devolve to that level.

Oh, I don't anticipate it happening any time real soon, if ever, Margaret Atwood and Robert Heinlein to one side. (Have those two ever been referenced together before?) I have a lot of faith in the durability of American society.

But when I look at these kinds of guys, while I don't fear that they'll take over my town, I also think it's important to keep in mind what they really think the world should look like.

494 Perplexed  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:57:14pm
Scientists are “atheists.” Parents who want to teach their children about evolution are “monsters.” Pastors who support sound science are “morons.”

Huh? Shaking my head in disbelief while walking away before I say something rude.

495 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:57:32pm

re: #483 Kreuzueber Halbmond

It's fucking worse than "clowns and jokers". It's like communists and the inquisition, and they're messing with a bunch of folks who are getting tired of just sitting in the middle.

Yeah, it's a pain. I'm in Friday night mode and trying not think about it too much. It start to come back to me around Sunday night before the weekday begins and the mail and the bills, and the Feds and the State all go back to work.

496 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:58:03pm

re: #488 Gus 802
U R pure evil! making me think and all that shit. Damn! Just when I thought I had it all figured out...........

497 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:58:06pm

re: #492 Basho

In the future, our government will be printing a lot more money.
Buy stuff now.

498 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:58:09pm

re: #478 Salamantis

Yeah, Moment Of Truth In Iraq is well worth your coin. But it's not academic scholarship so much as combat reportage, and lessons learned and applied.

Sounds great. Thanks a lot! (I seem to thank Sal a lot. He's a library of info!)

499 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:58:35pm

re: #470 The Shadow Do

Approval politically with his base equals good for the country? Do you want to think about that for a couple of minutes or are you good with your statement? Just wondering.

I didn't say that, just pointing out that the dissatisfaction with the POTUS is pretty much limited to folks that would naturally oppose his politics. Deciding which philosophy is correct is up to the voters and they tend to go back and forth every 4-8 years.

500 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 8:59:43pm

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist
Margaret Atwood? The Handmaid's Tale?

501 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:00:17pm

re: #448 Racer X Hey Racer X - well to be honest, the Special Olympics comment does bother me - a lot.
But what we have here is not just a failure to communicate, we have a failure to LEAD. Regrettably for America, President Obama does not have even the vaguest notion of how to GOVERN.
We are in the midst of a serious economic crisis and they can't even staff up the Treasury Department and the one person they DID pick, Timothy Geithner, they should trade NOW for a couple of used balls, taped bats and a minor leaguer to be named later.
I knew Obama was simply a cunning, Chicago machine politician when he was running. I tried to tell other folks about his lack of experience in government, his lack of experience in governing and his overall shortcomings as someone who has not only never owned nor run a business, but who didn't have a clue as to what is involved in doing so.
But the majority of American voters, willfully mislead by the MSM didn't hear me or us.
So we're stuck with Mr. Incompetent for almost four more years.
That he has a Democratic Congress to cover his back and pass the silliness that he proposes, that congresscritters on both sides of the aisle NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE SPENDING BILL BEFORE NANCY PELSOI INSISTED ON A VOTE (as did Dingy Harry Reid) must never, ever be forgotten.
We have a chance to recover some of our dignity, pride, security and lost wealth in 2010 but only if we start harping NOW on the fact that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN in the House voted for this bill and all but a handful of Democrats did. They voted on a $700 BILLION+ bill without even reading it.

502 WindHorse  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:00:37pm

this is getting downright laughable! Obama "has the better experts"?

lessee... name some.... Joe Biden? hillary? holder? Locke Napolitano?

this is a joke right!?

503 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:00:45pm

re: #452 avanti

No one thinks he made a purposeful attack, or attacks on special needs children, he just screwed up with his comment, much as you did with the non PC use of the word "retarded"

Not quite the same thing there. Obama brought up the Special Olympics analogy to make a joke. He was trying to be funny. After all, he wasn't making an appearance on Jay Leno to talk policy. He was there to yuk it up and have some fun. And he didn't screw up when he dropped the "Special Olympics" line unless by "screw up" you mean he exposed his own unfiltered thoughts. The fact that those words even came out of his mouth speak volumes about him. Most people don't make jokes about that kind of stuff.

504 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:00:55pm

re: #495 Gus 802

Friday night mode, now there's a plan. Cheers!

505 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:01:23pm

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

It is durable and I hope it remains that way. It's a balancing act between all parties in interest. Like giving into to Dhimmitude which would be another loss to liberty. Or any other theocracy. I'd go further in saying that secularism isn't immune from dogma and evil either which is shown in history. No one group is immune.

506 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:01:44pm

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, I don't anticipate it happening any time real soon, if ever, Margaret Atwood and Robert Heinlein to one side. (Have those two ever been referenced together before?) I have a lot of faith in the durability of American society.

But when I look at these kinds of guys, while I don't fear that they'll take over my town, I also think it's important to keep in mind what they really think the world should look like.


Revolt in 2100:
[Link: tomecat.com...]

507 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:08pm

re: #504 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Friday night mode, now there's a plan. Cheers!

Mentally. I still haven't opened my bottle of Fat Tire. Got a 1/2 pint of Jack too.

508 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:28pm

Russian planes fly over U.S. naval ships

Two Russian planes flew within 500 feet of U.S. Navy ships participating in military drills with South Korea, military officials said.

After trying unsuccessfully to contact the pilots, U.S. fighter jets met up with the Russian planes and flew with them until they left the area, CNN reported.

One incident occurred Monday, when Russian Ilyushin IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft flew over the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis while it was in international waters in the Sea of Japan. The Russian aircraft flew within 500 feet of the carrier, which was lower than other Russian flyovers in the past year, military officials said.

On Tuesday, two Russian long-range bombers overflew the Stennis and the USS Blue Ridge several times at about 2,000 feet, U.S. military officials told CNN.

/only in peacetime, hopefully

509 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:35pm

Think back to April 2008. Politicians on the left were still making the campaign about Iraq, how horrible it was and why we should bail out immediately. As we got closer to November Iraq was barely whispered. Because the operation was a success. We removed a genocidal dictator and brought democracy to the Arab world. The only one.

The Iraq war was never about WMD. It was about a madman who murdered millions. The left barely mentions Iraq anymore. They know that history will judge it as the right thing to do. They will rewrite history, omitting how they blatantly opposed their own government.

510 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:37pm

re: #492 Basho

I'm skeptical, but the Keynesian in me says all the spending will work out. I'm just worried about unforeseen tradeoffs... What will get cut in the future? That type of thing.

It's the friggen debt I worry about. If it does work and things turn around, the economy would have to go nuts to pay it back, or taxes will have to go up, or both. I tend to believe had we have done nothing, we'd be in deeper trouble, but I don't see a rose garden either way.

511 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:41pm

re: #497 jaunte

In the future, our government will be printing a lot more money.
Buy stuff now.

Hah! Can't argue with that. More of the same.

512 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:02:46pm

re: #479 HoosierHoops

LOL
Dinged you..very nice..
It always pissed me off that a Center over 7 foot would stand outside 18 feet and throw up shots....Like Smits...
If I run the team../here we go/ I can find any wing man that can shoot better than you..and if you can't post up..sit down..I can find a power forward that can kick your ass under the basket..I would fine my center 10 grand for every 3 pointer he jacked up..

No kidding. I don't understand why some of these players never work on their post moves, and then by the time they're in college, they're just the college version of Shawn Bradley, so they move behind the three-point line for something to do. Some fans accept it because they shoot one for every four.

513 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #482 avanti

So, hon, did you ever admit you thought the Office of Management and Budget was the Congressional Budget Office?

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:03:40pm

re: #491 UberInfidel67

*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*. I was wondering if you and your side would let it pass so easily.

Allow me to say, since this has come up a bunch of times, that I think those who say that Democrats-and-our-barnacles would have jumped on a comment like this from Bush with both feet are correct.

Allow me to also say, though, that in such a case, I think more right-leaning blogs and such would have been full of apologists for an innocent, slightly tacky, comment.

We all play this game, where how we perceive a mistake is dependent on how we perceive the person who made it. Ideally, we wouldn't, but that's awful hard.

515 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:03:56pm

re: #503 Mich-again
Let me just add here: I watched the Leno show to see if it would be edited. The whole time people were laughing at what WingDings had to say. After that comment, anything else he said that was remotely funny, was met with nervous laughter. EVERYONE in that audience knew his remark was wrong.

516 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:04:29pm

Avanti -

It is amazing how, when someone with so much power in this world reveals a compelling aspect of his character in an unguarded moment and you dismiss it (as all Obamatons do when dealing with any revelation of an Obama character flaw) as a distraction.

He is unflawed, isn't he?

517 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:04:34pm

re: #501 realwest

Hi RW!

I agree with you completely. I should have stated the Speciall Olympics comment doesn't bother me near as much as the other epic fails Obama has had. Much more to criticize him on than that.

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:04:48pm

re: #500 UberInfidel67

Margaret Atwood? The Handmaid's Tale?

That's the one.

519 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:05:03pm

re: #510 avanti

It's the friggen debt I worry about. If it does work and things turn around, the economy would have to go nuts to pay it back, or taxes will have to go up, or both. I tend to believe had we have done nothing, we'd be in deeper trouble, but I don't see a rose garden either way.

Some right wing economists I heard dismiss the debt, saying that as long as it remains something like 2% of GDP we'll be ok (says a lot about the state of conservatism these days). Take it however you will ;)

520 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:05:48pm

re: #510 avanti

If you're so worried about the debt, why do you keep defending the people bloating it?

521 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:05:51pm

re: #503 Mich-again

. The fact that those words even came out of his mouth speak volumes about him. Most people don't make jokes about that kind of stuff.

Most people to make jokes like that, and much worse, they just don't screw up and do it on on National TV.

522 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:06:15pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Fat Tire any good? Drank a river of Jack in my day, though.

523 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:06:29pm

re: #521 avanti

Most people to make jokes like that, and much worse, they just don't screw up and do it on on National TV.

And that makes it okay?!

524 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:07:52pm

Real leadership demands self-restraint.

525 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:08:13pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

We all practice self censorship or its opposite. If you have the opportunity you grasp at it. So in such cases it's natural for either side to grasp at gaffes such as this since it's advantageous politically. So it shouldn't come as a surprise from either side.

I still believe that the advantage is for liberals (or Democrats) since it has been so ingrained through popular culture.

526 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:08:14pm

Illogical fallacy, avanti. Just because other people are assholes doesn't make it okay for our president. He's supposed to be better than that.

527 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:08:17pm

re: #521 avanti

I am having a hard time ciphering that post. Can anyone translate that to English for me so I can respond?

528 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:11pm

U.S. Debt = $55 Trillion!
U.S. Economic Value = $14 Trillion.

We're fucked.

Obama is heading in the wrong direction.

529 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:15pm

re: #508 Killian Bundy
Hmmm - a little more testing and pushing against Obama is what I think.
The flyovers are not new (though they were in indisputable international waters does concern me)
nor was our response.
I wonder if Carrier Battle Group commanders ROE provide that they can attack intruders that they determine are dangerous to the ships and service personnel on those ships?

530 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:24pm

re: #522 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Fat Tire any good? Drank a river of Jack in my day, though.

Fat Tire is a nice amber ale. Smooth and brewed in a medium sized brewery.

531 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #471 VioletTiger

Okay, I didn't take your word for it, so I checked. ....
And I still can't believe it.


That's the spirit!
I doubt she'll sell many. It would be like wearing an "I spam online polls for Ron Paul". Not many people are proud to be crazy. Also, her blog isn't really that active, 10-20 comments per thread, sometimes none. I don't there there are many proud Atlas readers out there.

532 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:54pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

If you're so worried about the debt, why do you keep defending the people bloating it?

Because I don't think we have a choice. For example, letting AIG fail would cause a banking collapse. We'll never know how bad it would it would have been without intervention.

533 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:09:59pm

re: #510 avanti

President O's economic plan reminds me of this song.

534 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:10:04pm

re: #527 Mich-again

I am having a hard time ciphering that post. Can anyone translate that to English for me so I can respond?

Translation: your standards are too high. 0bama should be allowed to be a stupid idiot telling vulgar jokes at the expense of those who can't defend themselves nor even have an idea they've been insulted because other people do it too.

535 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:10:06pm

re: #522 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Fat Tire any good? Drank a river of Jack in my day, though.

Fat Tire is like liquid bread. I like it. Jack too!

536 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:13pm

re: #535 Racer X

Fat Tire is like liquid bread. I like it. Jack too!

Tastes really good during the summer months. Ahhhhhhh!

Beer riot!

//

537 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:22pm

re: #519 Basho

Some right wing economists I heard dismiss the debt, saying that as long as it remains something like 2% of GDP we'll be ok

Uh, yeah... bad news about that:


President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday.
The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. It's a prospect even the president's own budget director called unsustainable....

Worst of all, CBO says the deficit under Obama's policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level.

538 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:30pm

re: #534 Sharmuta

Aha. Its the old "All the other kids are doing it!" excuse.

539 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:43pm

re: #538 Mich-again

Exactly!

540 Perplexed  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:49pm

So let me get this right. The best way for a person to get out of debt is to spend everything they bring in and run up the credit cards to the max? That sounds like a pretty good recipe for bankruptcy court. Why doesn't the government on all levels produce three different budgets? One for minimum input. The other for flat input and the third for high input and when they see that the funds aren't there go and throttle back on spending. Why don't they knock off the practice of spending every last cent before the new fiscal year on things they don't need but they buy anyway just so the books look good for next years budget?

Might be a good time to remind our government officials that they work for us, not the other way around.

541 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:11:57pm

re: #536 Gus 802
Give me a chance to think of a good slogan before we riot! Sheeesh!

542 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:12:00pm

re: #524 jaunte
Hi juante! Real Leadership also requires - in an enterprise the size of the United States - a willingess to DELEGATE power, to resist the temptation to micro-manage EVERY THING.
That Obama has had trouble filling slots at Treasury, for example, may be an indication of qualified people being unwilling to work under Geithner or under Obama.

543 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:12:08pm

re: #521 avanti

Most people to make jokes like that, and much worse, they just don't screw up and do it on on National TV.

They do it around me, I pull them up on it. Wrong is wrong, no matter how many people do it.

544 Basho  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:12:08pm

re: #537 Occasional Reader

Holy......

545 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:13:13pm

re: #528 Racer X

U.S. Debt = $55 Trillion!
U.S. Economic Value = $14 Trillion.

We're fucked.

Obama is heading in the wrong direction.

President Otrauma

546 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:13:17pm

re: #526 Sharmuta

Illogical fallacy, avanti. Just because other people are assholes doesn't make it okay for our president. He's supposed to be better than that.

Contrary to what others have said, he's not the chosen one. I'd bet he cusses, tells a occasional dirty jokes, and yes non PC comments often pass his lips. So far, no blow jobs on the side though.

547 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:13:45pm

re: #542 realwest

Last number I saw was 75 slots out of about 360 policy jobs had been filled. I still don't know whether it's a blessing in disguise.

548 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:13:49pm

re: #541 UberInfidel67

Give me a chance to think of a good slogan before we riot! Sheeesh!

Would it be inappropriate if I bring up the song "Take The Skinheads Bowling?"

549 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:01pm

Tomorrow, the astronauts are doing a spacewalk. In honor of their successful solar panel deployment, and for continued success, I give them Ripple to go with Friday's wake-up song.

A cool picture from the shuttle mission.

The image galleries for the mission.

550 IslandLibertarian  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:09pm

Way OT:
I'm heading over to Maui to see my new Grandson!
7lbs 9oz
Conservative parents.

Behave.
Catch you all Sunday

551 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:21pm

All you people talking booze are tempting me to crack open my fifth of Evan Williams.

552 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:21pm

re: #510 avanti

It's the friggen debt I worry about. If it does work and things turn around, the economy would have to go nuts to pay it back, or taxes will have to go up, or both. I tend to believe had we have done nothing, we'd be in deeper trouble, but I don't see a rose garden either way.

You have that one dead on.

And here is the kicker: none of the "stimulus" goes toward improving business productivity.

None.

Productivity is how wealth is created. Period. It is essentially a measure of the effective growth in the benefit of division of labor. Civilization is based on the division of labor.

The "ideological" prior efforts by people like Reagan and Bush emphasized things like accelerated depreciation of capital items. In otherwords - they encouraged businesses to by machines.

This administration has managed to use a "stimulus" to do the very opposite - they are penalizing the wealth creation that results from productivity. They are also penalizing people who use energy (machines use energy - a lot of it) with carbon taxes and more costly energy supplies as they attack coal and nuclear.

The economy is non-ideological. It takes hardened ideologues to ignore that fact and pretend that rewarding producers in an economy is a bad thing - we will all pay a very heavy price for Obama's ideological jihad against "greed" and "selfishness."

553 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:35pm

re: #530 Gus 802

re: #535 Racer X

Must try Fat Tire then. And it just occurred to me, When SpaceJesus bowls, is it like the Spatial Olympics?

554 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:14:44pm

re: #135 eon

-Lord Kalvan, chap. 9

The best SF has as much real science in it as possible. And real science, and real history, is always more fascinating than pseudomystical dogmas.

cheers

eon

And here's a very similar story, revealed as recent science:
1of13 -- Journey of Man - A Genetic Odyssey

Here's the playlist link:
Journey of Man - A Genetic Odyssey 13 Videos

I enjoyed watching this about a day ago, and recommend it. The talk of a "time machine" in the intro is metaphor.

Wells follows genetic leads to living modern descendents who carry a particular rare set of markers on the Y-chromosome. He finds and interviews some special direct descendants of everyone's oldest ancestors, first in Africa from about 50,000 years ago, then subsequently in Australia, India, central Asia, northern Siberia, and some Navajo in the American Southwest. It's a modern odyssey.

*Waves to TFK*

555 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:15:01pm

re: #503 Mich-again

Not quite the same thing there. Obama brought up the Special Olympics analogy to make a joke. He was trying to be funny. After all, he wasn't making an appearance on Jay Leno to talk policy. He was there to yuk it up and have some fun. And he didn't screw up when he dropped the "Special Olympics" line unless by "screw up" you mean he exposed his own unfiltered thoughts. The fact that those words even came out of his mouth speak volumes about him. Most people don't make jokes about that kind of stuff.

exactly,
this is like when he said "punished w/ a baby", in regard to his daughter's
possible unplanned pregnancy
this is how he thinks and who he is. life itself is not sacred to him.
interesting how he also voted against the 'infant born alive protection act',
w/ such ease.
why would his comment abt. the disabled be a surprise at all?

556 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:15:34pm

re: #546 avanti

Missing the point again are we? This is about his public comments, not his private ones.

557 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:15:52pm

Hey! Let's give away even MORE money!

Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.
(They were all senators at the time this was written. Now that they are in charge...holy shit)

558 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:16:00pm

re: #553 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #535 Racer X

Must try Fat Tire then. And it just occurred to me, When SpaceJesus bowls, is it like the Spatial Olympics?

Depends on how he performed in his spatial aptitude portion of his IQ tests.

559 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:17:04pm

re: #546 avanti

Nice moving of the goal post, btw.

560 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:17:27pm

re: #546 avanti

Contrary to what others have said, he's not the chosen one. I'd bet he cusses, tells a occasional dirty jokes, and yes non PC comments often pass his lips. So far, no blow jobs on the side though.

I don't give a damn about his foibles or his penis. I care that he is an arrogant twerp. He has an essential meanness. Nice people don't accidentally slip and insult people whom they should be protecting. Nice men don't say "later, sweetie" to put down a woman reporter and make the men laugh. Nice people don't, and President O does, virtually every time they let him talk without a teleprompter.

561 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:18:43pm

re: #534 Sharmuta

Translation: your standards are too high. 0bama should be allowed to be a stupid idiot telling vulgar jokes at the expense of those who can't defend themselves nor even have an idea they've been insulted because other people do it too.

That's pretty close. He's human, he'll fuck up on occasion. Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.
I felt the same way with the fuss they made over Howard Coseel's little monkey comment. How anyone thought that was a rascist comment was beyond me.

562 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:18:43pm

re: #519 Basho

Some right wing economists I heard dismiss the debt, saying that as long as it remains something like 2% of GDP we'll be ok (says a lot about the state of conservatism these days). Take it however you will ;)

Debt is OK if someone is willing to hold the notes off shore and keep the money out of circulation.

In the last 30 years athe Japanese have done this to make their exports cheap, and the Chinese exploited the same and put the practice on steroids.

In essence, we spent almost all that money that the booming Chinese economy generated in the last 10 years. We don't have the capacity to pay it back without increasing productivity.

Obama is ideologically incapable of enacting the policy needed to increase productivity here.

The Fed has figured this out and will simply bring inflation into the picture so that the debt shrinks in real terms and a less productive USA can manage to pay it back in monopoly money.

563 esch  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:19:02pm

I'll say it again.

Most hated black man in history.

564 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:19:52pm

re: #561 avanti

Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.

How do you know he didn't mean it? Because he said so? And he has credibility in that department why?

565 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:19:59pm

re: #561 avanti

You can't admit when you are wrong. Admit it.

566 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:20:11pm

re: #560 Catttt

I don't give a damn about his foibles or his penis. I care that he is an arrogant twerp. He has an essential meanness. Nice people don't accidentally slip and insult people whom they should be protecting. Nice men don't say "later, sweetie" to put down a woman reporter and make the men laugh. Nice people don't, and President O does, virtually every time they let him talk without a teleprompter.

And *I* wouldn't even care (all that much) if he were an arrogant, mean, twerp, if I could believe that he were acting sensibly on the economy, national defense, and foreign affairs. But he's not.

567 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:20:31pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

Nice moving of the goal post, btw.

Rare photo of avanti found.

568 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:23pm

re: #482 avanti

I can't think of any group that would not bitch. We live in a country where Mr Magoo is not PC, and it's almost impossible to crack wise about anything any more. Well, maybe the left, the right, and Christians.

I like Mr. Magoo. :)

569 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:26pm

re: #561 avanti

Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.

Sorry officer - I didn't intend to shoot that guy - I was aiming at my wife!

570 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:26pm

re: #499 avanti

I didn't say that, just pointing out that the dissatisfaction with the POTUS is pretty much limited to folks that would naturally oppose his politics. Deciding which philosophy is correct is up to the voters and they tend to go back and forth every 4-8 years.

Would you (and by extension Obama) rather win ideologically, emerging poorer as a country but politically more rich from the current 'crisis'? This is the internet so you can be candid.

571 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:43pm

re: #532 avanti
OK, forget (for a minute) the Pork Stimulus Bill. What about Obama's proposed $1.3 to $1.5 TRILLION budget?
Do you seriously think, in times of economic crisis, when the Chinese Communists are telling us how to run our capitalist economy,( to protect their investment in T-Bills made with dollars that were worth something to become worthless with the inevitable inflation that comes from out of control Federal government spending) that NOW is the time to start Government run health care? Why can't we learn from the horrible National Health care that Britons and Canadians have to live (or die) under? The two issues are separate, but is NOW the time to budget well over $681 BILLION for a down-payment on Health Care? And why is it that governmental programs are required to zero budget? Not just ask for INCREASES to their budgets, but to justify what they are already spending and then, if they feel it appropriate, request increases in their budgets?
The reason is simple: those ideas run counter to what Obama thinks is best; and Narcissist that he clearly is, those ideas have NEVER occurred to him.

572 Perplexed  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:48pm

re: #562 karmic_inquisitor

Debt is OK if someone is willing to hold the notes off shore and keep the money out of circulation.

In the last 30 years athe Japanese have done this to make their exports cheap, and the Chinese exploited the same and put the practice on steroids.

In essence, we spent almost all that money that the booming Chinese economy generated in the last 10 years. We don't have the capacity to pay it back without increasing productivity.

Obama is ideologically incapable of enacting the policy needed to increase productivity here.

The Fed has figured this out and will simply bring inflation into the picture so that the debt shrinks in real terms and a less productive USA can manage to pay it back in monopoly money.

I remember when inflation was going nuts and the fact that I got good pay raises to keep up with that inflation meant my taxes went up. Inflation is good for the tax man in that they keep the rates artificially low while everyone makes more money. A hidden tax.

573 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:21:51pm

re: #568 Unakite

I like Mr. Magoo. :)

I AM Mr. Magoo. Well, Ms. Magoo.

574 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:22:07pm

re: #561 avanti

Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.

You still do not get it. He had no intention of insulting special needs kids. He let it slip. And this is an indicator of his true personality.

He does not care.

575 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:22:37pm

Evening Honcos!

I'm I to late for the FNDT or too early?

Stone Old Guardian Barley Wine Ale.

576 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:22:45pm

re: #574 Racer X

You still do not get it. He had no intention of insulting special needs kids. He let it slip. And this is an indicator of his true personality.

He does not care.

He's a fucking eugenicist.

577 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:22:47pm

re: #566 Occasional Reader

And *I* wouldn't even care (all that much) if he were an arrogant, mean, twerp, if I could believe that he were acting sensibly on the economy, national defense, and foreign affairs. But he's not.

True, that.

578 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:23:33pm

re: #575 jcm

Evening Honcos!

I'm I to late for the FNDT or too early?

Stone Old Guardian Barley Wine Ale.

Just in time. Get Avanti drunk, please.

579 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:23:38pm

re: #562 karmic_inquisitor

Exactly!

And in 5 years a loaf of bread will cost $15.00.

580 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:24:07pm

I believe God used baby batter to make humans.

581 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:24:44pm

re: #566 Occasional Reader

And *I* wouldn't even care (all that much) if he were an arrogant, mean, twerp, if I could believe that he were acting sensibly on the economy, national defense, and foreign affairs. But he's not.

he is nothing but a diva.
he should be trying out for a role in a broadway musical.
not playing potus on the world stage.

582 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:24:48pm

re: #521 avanti

Most people to make jokes like that, and much worse, they just don't screw up and do it on on National TV.

Bull

583 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:24:54pm

re: #567 gmsc

Rare photo of avanti found.

Close, but not quite. This is closer.

584 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:25:17pm

re: #583 Racer X

Heh

585 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #561 avanti

That's pretty close. He's human, he'll fuck up on occasion. Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.
I felt the same way with the fuss they made over Howard Coseel's little monkey comment. How anyone thought that was a rascist comment was beyond me.

Bullshit. You're giving him a pass because he's your glorious leader and because he's a liberal idol. I'm pretty sure my ex-gf who's a devout liberal democrat too is giving The One a pass too for the same reasons. Even though she would think it scandalous whenever I "performed" my occasional un-PC imitations.

It's always the same routine. Ethics for thee but not for me.

586 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:25:24pm

re: #563 esch

I'll say it again.

Most hated black man in history.

I agree, on right wing blogs. I never dreamed he'd be as polarizing as GW.

587 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:25:31pm

re: #580 trigger girlie

I believe God used baby batter to make humans.

Storks drop 'em down the chimney, that's what I learned!

I never understood how they didn't get an owee though.

588 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:25:58pm

re: #583 Racer X

Close, but not quite. This is closer.

That's mm right?

589 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:26:14pm

re: #572 Perplexed

I remember when inflation was going nuts and the fact that I got good pay raises to keep up with that inflation meant my taxes went up. Inflation is good for the tax man in that they keep the rates artificially low while everyone makes more money. A hidden tax.

Avanti needs to contemplate this - the poor and those who are retired are the one's who get f****d the most by inflation. They see the income increases LAST. They see the price increases FIRST.

Obama shoulc have studied econ at Columbia rather than eco-feminism.

He will end up screwing the poor more than any other group.

He is truly out of his depth and his self love makes him blind to the fact.

590 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:26:33pm

re: #587 jcm

I think we all know that babies come out of the butt. Do nto fool yourself.

591 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:27:45pm

re: #559 Sharmuta

Nice moving of the goal post, btw.

I just got her. I have not read the thread, but let me guess, Avanti is lying again and acting like a selfish, self-serving, ass licking troll?

592 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:27:46pm

re: #589 karmic_inquisitor

Dude you are hitting it outta the park tonight. Spot on.

593 jorline  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:27:47pm

Postal service to slash more than 3,000 jobs, offer early retirements

The U.S. Postal Service will be cutting more than 3,000 jobs and offering nearly a quarter of its work force early retirement as part of its efforts to streamline operations amid the worsening economy, the agency said Friday.

The USPS is run like the government...jobs for life and productivity doesn't matter. If it was managed properly you could run it with half the people. If I had employees like this I would be out of business with six months. Unfortunately I have to go to the post office at least once a month...they move at their desired pace.

594 Killian Bundy  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:28:17pm

re: #583 Racer X

Close, but not quite. This is closer.

No, no, no,!

/this is Avanti

595 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:28:17pm

What a ridiculously crazy end to the night slate of basketball!

596 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:28:24pm

Avanti -

I don't want a "regular guy" as president.

I want someone who sees that this country has a higher purpose and who holds himself to a higher standard.

That is why I voted for John S. McCain.

597 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:29:09pm

re: #547 jaunte Well I don't know whether it's a blessing in disguise or not either.
What I DO know is that it is clearly a manifestation of Obama's lack of Leadership capabilites that SO many vacancies are still open. And to say the those 75 who have been picked are working under ENORMOUS stress and strain trying to do the work that the approximately 285 unfilled positions would normally produce leaves the 75 all the more open to fucking up. And Fucking Up with a $1.3-$1.5 TRILLION dollar budget.
Not to mention the truly brilliant foreign policy and national security moves that Obama has made.

598 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:29:26pm

re: #594 Killian Bundy

Oh.
My.
God.

599 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:29:37pm

Speaking of Ms. Magoo, I ordered new glasses today. Here's my new frames.

600 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:29:50pm
601 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:30:03pm

re: #565 Catttt

You can't admit when you are wrong. Admit it.

That's not true. Last night, he finally admitted to me, in regards to the region one DVD package that Obama gave to Brown, Avanti did admit, right her, on line, on LGF, that he was a lying sack of shit.

602 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:30:21pm

re: #456 Mr. In get Mr. Out

It's like they're in fucking high school.

Actually, In a way, they are. People who go to school forever and then get jobs surrounded by a bunch of people who also went to school forever, never had a life out in the "real world".

I keep thinking of Prince Charles juvenile comments on the telephone tap. Something about tampon.

603 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:30:41pm

re: #596 karmic_inquisitor

McCain "got it". He said he would immediately slash government spending to essential items only.

Obama is doing the exact opposite.

604 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:30:43pm

re: #599 Catttt

Those look nice.

605 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:30:54pm

re: #570 The Shadow Do

Would you (and by extension Obama) rather win ideologically, emerging poorer as a country but politically more rich from the current 'crisis'? This is the internet so you can be candid.

Another when did you stop beating your wife questions. I would hope his ideology makes us better, but if it does not, then me, and the rest of the voters will reject it just as we did with GW.

606 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:31:05pm

Geez, I get finished returning RW's email and you guys ad 150 posts. I'm not going to be able to catch-up. What happened?

607 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:31:05pm

Hmm...600 posts, no creationist trolls and only two thread downdingers.

/this ain't the good old days...;~)

608 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:31:13pm

re: #540 Perplexed

This time its different. I don't think this recession was caused by the Feds tinkering too much with the money supply bringing on the eventual backlash. Nor was it some geopolitical transient.

I think this is at least partially the end-result of too many people investing their savings in stocks. It seemed like a great idea when the trend was positive year after year. Everyone jumped in and you would have been dumb not to. But in the end stocks are really only worth what you can sell them for at the time you need to sell them. And if lots of people need to sell their stocks at the same time because their income levels are "disrupted" then there will be a glut of sellers and prices will fall off the table. Which in turn feeds the whole problem and causes even more people to lose their income and in turn need to sell off their stocks.

The stock market was a good way for companies to attract investment from wealthy investors but once stocks lured the paycheck savings from people who will eventually need to sell off those stocks to live on, then the companies took a big risk that future economic conditions would not trigger a widespread sell-off from investors who needed the cash not to reinvest in other stocks or commodities, but rather to live on. The money lost in the stock crash is not sitting on the sidelines waiting for the right moment to swoop back in. Its gone. More correctly, it was never there.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:31:31pm

re: #587 jcm

Storks drop 'em down the chimney, that's what I learned!

I never understood how they didn't get an owee though.

The storks lower them with a pulley contraption, similar to the one used to raise single bottles of baby milk out of the tunnels under the Gaza/Egypt border.

610 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:32:04pm

re: #607 Salamantis

TG straightened us all out.

We came from batter.

611 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:32:16pm

re: #586 avanti

I agree, on right wing blogs. I never dreamed he'd be as polarizing as GW.

Disgusting. Objections to this commie has zero to do with race, but you keep running that mantra. Clueless. Asshole.

612 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:32:27pm

re: #604 Gus 802

Those look nice.

TY. I have contacts too, but gotta have the glasses. You never know when you might get lost in a sandstorm, after all.

613 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:32:30pm

re: #605 avanti

I would hope his ideology makes us better, but if it does not, then me, and the rest of the voters will reject it just as we did with GW.

Here's a news flash- President Bush won re-election. He's out of office not because he was rejected, but because there's a term limit.

614 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:07pm

re: #552 karmic_inquisitor
Great comment karmic! Again, it shows Obama's lack of experience. He manifestly doesn't know that it is small businesses in the US that create the most jobs. So he proposes a much higher income tax on people earning over $250,000 a year - in other words, for the most part, small business people. And he thinks and toys with the idea of taxing health care benefits paid by employers on their employee's behalf.
He's never owned a business, never worked in the upper echelons (decision making) of business, hell he's never held a job before this one!

615 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:10pm

re: #499 avanti

I didn't say that, just pointing out that the dissatisfaction with the POTUS is pretty much limited to folks that would naturally oppose his politics. Deciding which philosophy is correct is up to the voters and they tend to go back and forth every 4-8 years.

Came in way late and up dinged you on a couple of comments, but this is B.S.
Deciding which "philosophy" is correct by voting is tantamount to deciding whether it is warm or cold outside by voting, no matter what the temperature is. Certain decisions have affects/repercussions on the economy and other things, no matter who "votes"for or against it.

The things being tried now have been tried in the past and they have failed in the past.

616 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:14pm

re: #561 avanti

That's pretty close. He's human, he'll fuck up on occasion. Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.
I felt the same way with the fuss they made over Howard Coseel's little monkey comment. How anyone thought that was a rascist comment was beyond me.

GWB was cut no slack. Neither was Sarah Palin. OBama should be cut no slack on this stuff. Unless he is just a fluff president and can't take it. Obama has to rise to the standard. Instead the media is jumping into the gutter with him. The GoP needs to press the media read hard and send them reeling.

617 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #613 Sharmuta

Pesky fact-checker/

618 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:21pm

re: #605 avanti

Another when did you stop beating your wife questions. I would hope his ideology makes us better, but if it does not, then me, and the rest of the voters will reject it just as we did with GW.

The Left rejected Bush before he even stepped into the White House. And I won't get into the voter fraud hoax perpetrated by Gore and his goony followers.

619 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:33:37pm

Are you guys STILL dealing with this Avanti person?

620 Perplexed  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:34:01pm

re: #608 Mich-again

Sort of like when five guys get together and sell a piece of property back and forth amongst them, each time driving up the price to unload on an unsuspecting sucker? Isn't that either illegal or immoral to do that?

621 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:34:16pm

re: #612 Catttt

TY. I have contacts too, but gotta have the glasses. You never know when you might get lost in a sandstorm, after all.

I tired contacts twice. I have dry eyes so they kind of got stuck to my lids and went up and down when I blinked. That lasted about 90 minutes.

622 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:34:21pm

re: #619 TheMatrix31

Are you guys STILL dealing with this Avanti person?

I know! He should really be ignored completely, but it's Friday night, and we're hungry for troll buttocks.

623 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:34:35pm

re: #561 avanti

That's pretty close. He's human, he'll fuck up on occasion. Had he intended to insult special needs kids with the careless comment, it would be a different issue.
I felt the same way with the fuss they made over Howard Coseel's little monkey comment. How anyone thought that was a rascist comment was beyond me.

The POTUS is not a sports newscaster. He had no business being on Leno when the country is in an economic crisis in large part because he has not appointed either qualified or sufficient people to the Treasury. The problem isn't that Obama made a careless comment, it's that he's treating the presidency, this country, and our economy with extreme carelessness during a time of crisis.

624 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:34:44pm

Time for my standard list of favorite ID/Creationist argument links:

reDiscovery Institute (Parody site)

The Holy Book for Turtles-all-the-way-downism (Thanks, jcm!)

Using creationist/ID arguments against them:
Why We Believe in a Designer!
Organisms that Look Designed
Oolon Colluphid's Guide to Creation

Talk.Origins archive

Need To Know: Charles Darwin (5 Minute documentary on Charles Darwin)

People involved in spreading Darwin's discoveries as a philosophy, whom Ben Stein mysteriously neglects to mention:
Ernst Haeckel
William Sumner
Vladmir Ulyanov

Is There An Artifical God? (essay by Douglas Adams)

Get A-Life (essay on using artificial life to study evolution)

Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker (video about a-life)

The Day The Universe Changed - "Fit To Rule" (Episode 8)

625 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:35:02pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

The storks lower them with a pulley contraption, similar to the one used to raise single bottles of baby milk out of the tunnels under the Gaza/Egypt border.

No no no - babies come from cabbages.

626 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:35:23pm

re: #605 avanti

Another when did you stop beating your wife questions. I would hope his ideology makes us better, but if it does not, then me, and the rest of the voters will reject it just as we did with GW.

Bull. You will be marching proudly off the cliff with him, come what may. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

627 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:35:34pm

re: #622 Sharmuta

I know! He should really be ignored completely, but it's Friday night, and we're hungry for troll buttocks.

Avanti's probably used to it. I'm sure it stated in 3rd grade.

628 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:04pm

Good night.

629 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:05pm

Okay, fellow lizards, I've been away for a while.

Tell, tell. Who is this Avanti dude?

630 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:06pm

re: #602 ggt

Actually, In a way, they are. People who go to school forever and then get jobs surrounded by a bunch of people who also went to school forever, never had a life out in the "real world".

I keep thinking of Prince Charles juvenile comments on the telephone tap. Something about tampon.

I've been doing some thinking on this issue. Give me a large room and a blacksmith, carpenter, lumberjack, rodeo clown, farmer, rancher, sheep herder, vagrant, tramp, hobo, biologist, soldier, bird watcher, grandmother, and a rocket scientist. They'll know what to do.

631 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:16pm

How many people has Pres Obama apologized to now? Does he really mean it? Or does he Rev Wright these things?

632 UberInfidel67  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:23pm

Folks...go look at this picture on Jawa. hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

633 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:25pm

re: #629 Irene NYC

Okay, fellow lizards, I've been away for a while.

Tell, tell. Who is this Avanti dude?

Resident 0bama shill.

634 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:36:56pm

re: #461 ggt

Peace and Love!

teehee

To paraphrase R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket, Iran hasn't "got the common courtesy to give [Dear Leader] a reacharound!"

Then again, Dear Leader and the rest of the Donk leadership hasn't got the common courtesy to give us a reacharound or even a kiss after the screwing they've given (and continue to give) us!

Liberal Donks: the gift that keeps giving... *retch*

635 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:37:01pm

re: #597 realwest

Well I don't know whether it's a blessing in disguise or not either.
What I DO know is that it is clearly a manifestation of Obama's lack of Leadership capabilites that SO many vacancies are still open
. And to say the those 75 who have been picked are working under ENORMOUS stress and strain trying to do the work that the approximately 285 unfilled positions would normally produce leaves the 75 all the more open to fucking up. And Fucking Up with a $1.3-$1.5 TRILLION dollar budget.
Not to mention the truly brilliant foreign policy and national security moves that Obama has made.

In business there are managers who are "B" level who are able to hire "A" level people. Then there are managers who are "A" level who can only hire "B" level people because they feel threatened.

Obama is from the latter camp. Look at his Treasury Sec. Look at his Press Sec. Look at the fact that he didn't convene his "economic advisors" with Warren Buffet et al until after the "stimulus" plan was law.

Obama feels threatened by smart people that aren't ethically compromised - he can only trust an "A" if he can destroy him.

That is our president. That is why the Treasury Dept is empty.

636 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:37:16pm

I have recently decided that I am against the war in Iraq. I think we should bring our troops home, and leave those fuckers to kill each other there.

/am I a troll?

637 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:37:37pm

re: #633 Sharmuta

Resident 0bama shill.


Thanks, Sharm. That's what I thought.

638 Perplexed  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:37:41pm

re: #631 hazzyday

How many people has Pres Obama apologized to now? Does he really mean it? Or does he Rev Wright these things?

Steve Martin's:

Welllllllllll Excussssssssse ME.

639 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:37:58pm

re: #629 Irene NYC

Okay, fellow lizards, I've been away for a while.

Tell, tell. Who is this Avanti dude?

missed you..hope you are well
fuck avanti..he's on the grill out back..what's been going on?

640 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:38:49pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

The storks lower them with a pulley contraption, similar to the one used to raise single bottles of baby milk out of the tunnels under the Gaza/Egypt border.

WHEW, all those years of worry for nothing!

641 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:39:01pm

re: #635 karmic_inquisitor

In business there are managers who are "B" level who are able to hire "A" level people. Then there are managers who are "A" level who can only hire "B" level people because they feel threatened.

Obama is from the latter camp. Look at his Treasury Sec. Look at his Press Sec. Look at the fact that he didn't convene his "economic advisors" with Warren Buffet et al until after the "stimulus" plan was law.

Obama feels threatened by smart people that aren't ethically compromised - he can only trust an "A" if he can destroy him.

That is our president. That is why the Treasury Dept is empty.

I'd say he's more like D level and he can only hire F level because if he doesn't get passing grades, then no one shall!

642 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:39:01pm

Zombie kid like turtles. 10 million views so far. Obama making jokes about the Special Olympics? Not so much.

643 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:39:11pm

re: #615 Unakite

Came in way late and up dinged you on a couple of comments, but this is B.S.
Deciding which "philosophy" is correct by voting is tantamount to deciding whether it is warm or cold outside by voting, no matter what the temperature is. Certain decisions have affects/repercussions on the economy and other things, no matter who "votes"for or against it.

The things being tried now have been tried in the past and they have failed in the past.

The federal government tried to spend its way out of the '29 depression, too, and in the opinion of most economists, only succeeded in prolonging and deepening it. But the American people are demanding that the federal government do something, ANYTHING, to help.

So they'll try things, because doing nothing is a sure preseciption for re-election defeat. They'll try this, and if it doesn't work, they'll try that, then they'll try the other thing, just like they did 80 years ago. And whether any of it works or not, we'll end up muddling our way through and eventually out of it. But it might take a lotta years and a lotta pain.

644 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:39:12pm

Uh oh. Cats just woke up. Now they're giving me the eye.

645 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:39:16pm

I wonder if avanti is capable of criticizing 0bama at all. On even one issue. And not a "well- it might not work out well, time will tell" kind of thing.

Come on, avanti- one issue where he's flat out wrong.

646 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:40:02pm

re: #466 avanti

I have no idea if all this spending will work, I've seen experts on both sides. My only hope is that BHO, has the better experts, but only time will tell.

re: #492 Basho

I'm skeptical, but the Keynesian in me says all the spending will work out. I'm just worried about unforeseen tradeoffs... What will get cut in the future? That type of thing.

I may be slow, but I sure am stupid. This comment and response tells me: 1) You can't think for yourself, so you have to let someone else think for you, and 2) you have a sinking feeling that that you're wrong but can't admit it.

647 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:40:36pm

re: #636 trigger girlie

The war is over. We won.

648 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:40:36pm

re: #554 abolitionist

And here's a very similar story, revealed as recent science:
1of13 -- Journey of Man - A Genetic Odyssey

Here's the playlist link:
Journey of Man - A Genetic Odyssey 13 Videos

I enjoyed watching this about a day ago, and recommend it. The talk of a "time machine" in the intro is metaphor.

Wells follows genetic leads to living modern descendents who carry a particular rare set of markers on the Y-chromosome. He finds and interviews some special direct descendants of everyone's oldest ancestors, first in Africa from about 50,000 years ago, then subsequently in Australia, India, central Asia, northern Siberia, and some Navajo in the American Southwest. It's a modern odyssey.

*Waves to TFK*

Hey, I think I saw part of that. Does some guy in Mongolia get all happy because the research proves he is geneically pure and say that it helps his standing in the "tribe?

649 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:40:46pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

Thanks! I'm well now!
;)

650 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:40:55pm

re: #634 talon_262

FMJ

Language Warning

651 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:15pm

re: #645 Sharmuta

Come on, avanti- one issue where he's flat out wrong.

Well you know some doctors think smoking an occasional cigarette is healthy!

652 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:19pm

re: #599 Catttt
Hey Cattt - nice frames but didn't ya see they have holes in the sides?!
:)

653 avanti  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:24pm

re: #601 Walter L. Newton

That's not true. Last night, he finally admitted to me, in regards to the region one DVD package that Obama gave to Brown, Avanti did admit, right her, on line, on LGF, that he was a lying sack of shit.

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

654 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:39pm

re: #636 trigger girlie

You're getting close. Real close.

655 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:49pm

re: #636 trigger girlie

I have recently decided that I am against the war in Iraq. I think we should bring our troops home, and leave those fuckers to kill each other there.

/am I a troll?

No, but silly maybe.

656 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:41:53pm

re: #636 trigger girlie

I have recently decided that I am against the war in Iraq. I think we should bring our troops home, and leave those fuckers to kill each other there.

/am I a troll?

You're getting conservative like my dad. I prefer us to mix Islam up a little bit with coca cola and blue jeans and elvis.

657 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:42:28pm

re: #645 Sharmuta

I wonder if avanti is capable of criticizing 0bama at all. On even one issue. And not a "well- it might not work out well, time will tell" kind of thing.

Come on, avanti- one issue where he's flat out wrong.

Well, Sharm, if he didn't criticize him on the "let the wounded military use private insurance," then there's no hope. Totally lost case. And he claims to be retired navy. Go figure.
;)

658 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:42:30pm

re: #653 avanti

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

Look up the word condescending before you bed down.

659 BakaRanger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:42:36pm

I got me a shinny new Obama inflation wallet. I hope it's big enough.

660 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:42:37pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Speaking of nuts I just checked Atlas and Pamela is selling "Nirth Certifikit" t-shirts.
/I shit you not.

That's hilarious. She apparently has a dim understanding that the targets of derision sometimes adopt derogatory terms used to describe them, to rob them of their power.

That may work for targets of racism or discrimination, but when you're being mocked for stupidity, adopting the negative terms and using them to describe yourself only makes you look even more stupid.

What a freaking moron.

661 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:43:40pm

nite all.

going to watch a region 1 DVD on a region 1 player.

662 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:44:03pm

re: #653 avanti

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

Sorry guys, he chickened out again and took his ball home. Gee, it's funny that you are looking for some "moderate conservatives" since you are suck a "moderate liberal." (like shit you are).

663 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:44:06pm

Hey real! You still on this thread? Howdy doody!
;)

664 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:44:07pm

re: #521 avanti

Most people to make jokes like that, and much worse, they just don't screw up and do it on on National TV.

re: #523 Sharmuta

And that makes it okay?!

And to follow up, from the president of the united states?

665 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:44:20pm

re: #605 avanti
Who is this GW you keep referring to? George Washington? (said the same thing in your #586) George Washington?

666 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:44:21pm

re: #661 karmic_inquisitor

nite all.

going to watch a region 1 DVD on a region 1 player.

Good night, KI!

667 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:45:44pm

re: #660 Charles

Might as well get value out of the Lounge Lizard then ...

Everyone else seems to like it too ;)

668 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:46:08pm

Damn; I start drinking, and the first comment I post gets 4 updings!

/maybe I should do this more often...;~)

669 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:46:16pm

re: #574 Racer X

You still do not get it. He had no intention of insulting special needs kids. He let it slip. And this is an indicator of his true personality.

He does not care.

(Still catching up, but to repeat):
And from the President of the United States?

670 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:46:30pm

re: #611 The Shadow Do
Sorry, my objections to Obama have NOTHING to do with his race. It's his seeming intent to be worse than Carter in six months than Carter was in four years that bothers me the most.

671 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:46:42pm

re: #666 gmsc

Good night, KI!

I see you wear the mark of the beast. The dreaded 666. Hmmmmm.

I shall look deeply into the meaning of your comment,/

672 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:47:34pm

re: #653 avanti

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

WTF? No one is perfect. I'm sure everyone has let a few uncouth things slip off their keyboards. You are blowing this out of proportion. The American Kennel Club says there is nothing wrong with a dog pile so why are you making a big deal about it?! Double edged swords are a bitch, huh?

673 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:48:09pm

re: #669 Unakite

(Still catching up, but to repeat):
And from the President of the United States?

The shoes of president are hard to fill .. and for a reason.

You expect someone there who will represent THE BEST of the nation and be a competent decision maker on behalf of the nations interests.

Thats why O comes out looking like such a #$%^tard. He does neither.

674 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:48:09pm

re: #656 hazzyday

I am gettin tired of our guys die in order to help those savage animals. Its in their blood, like Palis.

675 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:48:14pm

re: #670 realwest
PIMF - I apologize Shadow Do, I misread your post. But other than my incorrect comment about race, everything else I said still stands.

676 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:48:14pm

re: #620 Perplexed

Sort of like when five guys get together and sell a piece of property back and forth amongst them, each time driving up the price to unload on an unsuspecting sucker? Isn't that either illegal or immoral to do that?

You can get kicked-off of eBay for that sh!t.

677 jorline  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:48:30pm

I see we have re-runs of avanti again tonight...time for bed.

Good night all.

678 solomonpanting  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:49:40pm

re: #668 Salamantis

Damn; I start drinking, and the first comment I post gets 4 updings!

/maybe I should do this more often...;~)

I checked into a hotel the other night. There was a brochure on the table that said if you are an alcoholic or have a drinking problem, call this number. I called up and it was a liquor store.

Gary Mule Deer

679 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:49:45pm

re: #625 Catttt

No no no - babies come from cabbages.

Babies come from G-d. HOW he/she does it is a matter of hot debate.

680 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:49:46pm

re: #677 jorline

I see we have re-runs of avanti again tonight...time for bed.

Good night all.

When did Avanti raise his ugly head?

681 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:49:48pm

re: #668 Salamantis

Only works for a little while, then it gets reaally bad.

682 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #660 Charles

I can't imagine that is a serious message. " Nirth Certifikit Troofers Unite! "

It just has to be a joke about Nirthers and Troofers. But if so it would have made more sense to say Untie instead of Unite.

683 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:50:02pm

re: #671 pat

I see you wear the mark of the beast. The dreaded 666. Hmmmmm.

I shall look deeply into the meaning of your comment,/

Just don't connect it with the fact that I made post #381, as well.
;)

684 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:51:17pm

re: #682 Mich-again

I can't imagine that is a serious message. " Nirth Certifikit Troofers Unite! "

It just has to be a joke about Nirthers and Troofers. But if so it would have made more sense to say Untie instead of Unite.

Ya .. but where is the walrus? (who is really a seal)

685 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:51:26pm

re: #630 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I've been doing some thinking on this issue. Give me a large room and a blacksmith, carpenter, lumberjack, rodeo clown, farmer, rancher, sheep herder, vagrant, tramp, hobo, biologist, soldier, bird watcher, grandmother, and a rocket scientist. They'll know what to do.

You forgot the engineer! Other than that, I think your list is about right.

686 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:52:29pm

re: #670 realwest

Sorry, my objections to Obama have NOTHING to do with his race. It's his seeming intent to be worse than Carter in six months than Carter was in four years that bothers me the most.

Only time will tell if he can achieve worst of the worst honors, but he does seem well on the way!

687 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:52:34pm

re: #672 Sharmuta

WTF? No one is perfect. I'm sure everyone has let a few uncouth things slip off their keyboards. You are blowing this out of proportion. The American Kennel Club says there is nothing wrong with a dog pile so why are you making a big deal about it?! Double edged swords are a bitch, huh?

Speaking of dogs. Does he ever talk about having a dog? Or a cat? Or what he's drinking or not drinking or anything else from his own personal experience? Doesn't seem that way to me. It's always this "I'm looking for moderate conservatives" yet he never seem to be introspective. I don't know. Seems kind of one dimensional...

688 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:52:49pm

re: #653 avanti

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

I bid you good night sir..Anyone that can garner almost a 1000 down-dings since you've been here for such a short time.. is a sight to behold..No matter what any lizard says here..you'll jump right in and flip the script on them...
You don't want discourse you want discord..
sleep well..

689 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:53:11pm

re: #682 Mich-again

I can't imagine that is a serious message. " Nirth Certifikit Troofers Unite! "

It just has to be a joke about Nirthers and Troofers. But if so it would have made more sense to say Untie instead of Unite.

Uh -- Pamela Geller is one of the most insane Nirthers in the blogosphere. This is no joke.

690 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:54:27pm

re: #688 HoosierHoops

You don't want discourse you want discord..

Exactly- then he gets indignant when he finds it's less than what he bargained for.

691 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:54:35pm

Obama may be the most irresponsible President we have ever had, and that is no joke.

692 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:55:10pm

re: #691 pat

I have decided to take myself away from politics and see how things go. I dont think I care anymore.

693 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:55:19pm

re: #623 Irene NYC
Hey, hi there {Irene} spot on comment. But you forget that this man had to go to Hawaii while the stimulus bill which was needed so urgently the Democrats didn't given ANYONE enough time to read it, who went home to Chicago after his second week back from Hawaii because of the "Stress and strain of being Potus, and OF COURSE he had time to go on Leno; what the hell - just another way for him to reassure himself that he's LOVED BY ALL. Well all except those pesky Republicans. Hey, I mean that's why he has so many people working for him in the Treasury Department, so he doesn't.................oh, wait.
Nevermind, he's a Narcissist and he's fucking lazy.

694 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:55:26pm

re: #674 trigger girlie

I am gettin tired of our guys die in order to help those savage animals. Its in their blood, like Palis.

Actually, our casualty rate in Iraq has been hella low in the past few months, and the lion's share of those 'savages' are fighting alongside us, not against us.

We should stay long enough to ensure that they can protect, preserve, and defend this fledgling democracy with which we have gifted them at the cost of 4000 American lives.

And when they're truly ready to fly in their dangerous mountain home, and not before, we should remove our sheltering wing, and wish them well, and allow them to fly solo, like any other proud parent of a new constitutional democracy, and be grateful that we have once again transformed an enemy into an ally, just like in Germany and Japan and South Korea, this time in the middle of a region where we sorely need one.

695 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:55:39pm

re: #636 trigger girlie

I have recently decided that I am against the war in Iraq. I think we should bring our troops home, and leave those fuckers to kill each other there.

/am I a troll?

You are a troll if you decide to preach your idea to us WITHOUT meaningful supporting arguments.

It seems a viable plan until you realize that in killing each other they will most likely kill us as well. At the very least disrupt oil production and delivery which is near to killing us. WE NEED a stable Middle East for every reason. Economic, Security, and Humanitarian.

696 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:56:51pm

re: #692 trigger girlie

Well I think it is Sprat season and I need your help. You elf.

697 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:56:55pm

re: #674 trigger girlie

I am gettin tired of our guys die in order to help those savage animals. Its in their blood, like Palis.

Spend a little time reading Yon and a few others who have spent years there. I understand the frustration, but you are not seeing the whole picture. Those who have died have achieved the unachievable in broad areas of that country.

698 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:57:03pm

re: #681 BatGuano

Only works for a little while, then it gets reaally bad.

Ahh, yessss, I remember; the voice of bitter experience speaks...;~)

699 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:57:19pm

re: #693 realwest

Oh dear, my brain has developed selective memory when it comes to this POTUS.

Hope it's a permanent condition.
;)

700 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:57:29pm

re: #684 Buster Bunny

Ya .. but where is the walrus? (who is really a seal)

"The time has come," the Walrus said,
"To talk of many things:
Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--
Of cabbages--and kings--
And why the sea is boiling hot--
And whether pigs have wings."

701 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:57:49pm

re: #652 realwest

Hey Cattt - nice frames but didn't ya see they have holes in the sides?!
:)

That's a Ralph Lauren logo, Mr. Smarty Pants. It looks better in real life.

702 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:58:01pm

re: #694 Salamantis

I had someone quoting me that the Australian count in Afghanistan is a total of .. wait for it .. TEN people. Thats 10 whole people who have been carved up by Taliban games in a period of four years. (Afghanistan as an issue has only really been since 2005 for Australia).

Yup .. thats right .. TEN whole people. And for each horrific death .. the paper has covered it with a full front page spread.

Yes .. the MSM make me nauseous.

703 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:58:43pm

re: #643 Salamantis

The federal government tried to spend its way out of the '29 depression, too, and in the opinion of most economists, only succeeded in prolonging and deepening it. But the American people are demanding that the federal government do something, ANYTHING, to help.

So they'll try things, because doing nothing is a sure preseciption for re-election defeat. They'll try this, and if it doesn't work, they'll try that, then they'll try the other thing, just like they did 80 years ago. And whether any of it works or not, we'll end up muddling our way through and eventually out of it. But it might take a lotta years and a lotta pain.

Just caught up to here (I'm in for the night). Better to do something that doesn't work than nothing at all. That is the unfortunate stimulus. By the time they're out of office there is no accountability. Just pain.

I guess that adage about history repeating itself...

704 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:58:58pm

re: #665 realwest

Hey RW! How you been?

Thanks for reading my email.

705 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:06pm

re: #698 Salamantis

Yup!

706 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:19pm

re: #697 The Shadow Do

I just dont see them act human at all. The idea of a parking lot seems really appealing tho.

707 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:28pm

Trig is a USSR refugee. Her path was not easy nor pleasant. Watching what is happening, is no doubt , depressing.

708 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:35pm

re: #653 avanti

Go away, son, I said go away - you bother me.

~Foghorn Leghorn.

709 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:38pm

re: #635 karmic_inquisitor
Another great comment karmic. And I'm afraid you may be right.
When I was a boss, I only hired the most capable people I could afford, on the theory that if they did well, then the business would do well and if the business did well that would reflect well on me.
I suspect you're correct; that kind of thinking never enters Obama's mind. Not Ever.

710 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:46pm

re: #695 ggt

I like the concept ggt. Trolls WITH meaningful supporting arguments.

Never seen it .. but i'm willing to.

711 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:48pm

re: #702 Buster Bunny

I had someone quoting me that the Australian count in Afghanistan is a total of .. wait for it .. TEN people. Thats 10 whole people who have been carved up by Taliban games in a period of four years. (Afghanistan as an issue has only really been since 2005 for Australia).

Yup .. thats right .. TEN whole people. And for each horrific death .. the paper has covered it with a full front page spread.

Yes .. the MSM make me nauseous.

But is it really worth it? If even one person gets killed, we should reconsider our position there. Can't we all just get along?

///////////

712 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 9:59:49pm

re: #689 Charles

She should marry Glen Beck. Just think of the dinner table conversations they would have with the kids.

713 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:00:14pm

re: #674 trigger girlie

I am gettin tired of our guys die in order to help those savage animals. Its in their blood, like Palis.

Those GUYS are not tired and are not asking to come home.

714 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:00:40pm

re: #707 pat

lol, I like that :) Could you write that to my boss please so I can get a raise? ;p

715 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:01:40pm

re: #689 Charles

Uh -- Pamela Geller is one of the most insane Nirthers in the blogosphere. This is no joke.

Wow. That is almost hard to imagine. I wonder what Red thinks of all this.

716 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:01:49pm

re: #648 ggt

Hey, I think I saw part of that. Does some guy in Mongolia get all happy because the research proves he is geneically pure and say that it helps his standing in the "tribe?

Maybe a wee bit of that, as explaining the concepts of genetic markers to isolated peoples can be somewhat of a challenge. There was one guy who had been worried (in a bad way) that a doctor was coming to see him, and then was elated to find out why, and that he was not about to die.

717 Irene NYC  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:01:54pm

re: #709 realwest

I suspect you're correct; that kind of thinking never enters Obama's mind. Not Ever.


Obama? Thinking? Surely, Sir, you gest.
;)

718 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:02:05pm

re: #710 Buster Bunny

I have joined LGF in 2001, right after 911, and do not consider myself a troll in any way. I am tired of US trying to help out ungratefuls that dont deserve it.

719 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:02:18pm

re: #714 trigger girlie

As usual. And I tell everyone not to f*ck with you lol. Because you have that Slavic potty mouth. lol

720 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:02:29pm

re: #714 trigger girlie

This is America. You don't "get" a raise. You earn it. Unless you're in a union.

;-)

721 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:02:47pm

re: #694 Salamantis

If that's what you post while having a drink, have a double on me.

722 Gella  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:03:01pm

re: #717 Irene NYC

Obama? Thinking? Surely, Sir, you gest.
;)

i think he does when it involves NCAA

723 The Shadow Do  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:03:06pm

re: #706 trigger girlie

I just dont see them act human at all. The idea of a parking lot seems really appealing tho.

They are human. Please step back from that kind of thinking, it is not good for you.

724 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:03:15pm

re: #636 trigger girlie
NO - you're just misdirected. If we bring our troops home through, say, Iran or Syria, then maybe you'd be correct. Of if we put them in Afghanistan you'd be correct. But we'd still need to leave roughly 50,000 combat troops in Iraq to make sure the the Democracy created by the Iraqi's, the US and Coalition Forces and George W. Bush would remain viable.

725 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:03:33pm

re: #720 Racer X

This is America. You don't "get" a raise. You earn it. Unless you're in congress or a union.

;-)

FTFY

726 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:04:01pm

re: #653 avanti

Walter, I was very polite to you, I admitted I was wrong about assuming the AFI would do the correct format without even asking you for a link. I trusted you without proof, yet you now call me a liar because I did not find the proof you apparently found.
Since this thread is again dissolving into yet another personal attack dog pile, I'll wish you all a good evening. I have to hope, that there are some moderate conservatives that will pop up now and then, I do on occasion, enjoy the conversation.

I up dinged you again because although I disagree with you on a lot of things I also disagree with the negative personal attacks.

727 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:04:06pm

re: #720 Racer X

I have more than earned mine, but the boss is an unappreciative chode that is more interested in pickin up Colombian whores.

I wish I could join the union, so I dont do shit and all my tracks covered up :)

728 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:04:31pm

re: #713 ggt

Those GUYS are not tired and are not asking to come home.

I'll make no blanket statements there. My BIL seems to be wearing down, and I'm kind of worried from what I hear through the family grapevine.

729 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:05:07pm

re: #718 trigger girlie

I have joined LGF in 2001, right after 911, and do not consider myself a troll in any way. I am tired of US trying to help out ungratefuls that dont deserve it.

There is a reason the US does what it does, to be a guiding light, to lead the way, to change things for the better in an area where no-one has EVER tried.

Up until the Americans moved into Iraq, the US as a heretical concept was just that, a mind made image formented by imams and sold by the mass media in the area. But people have met US soldiers .. even dealt with them as people.

We are having the same effect that we did on the Soviet Union.

We are there to change things for the better.

730 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:05:24pm

re: #726 Unakite

I up dinged you again because although I disagree with you on a lot of things I also disagree with the negative personal attacks.

Of course, your up ding to Avanti in turn is a negative personal attack on me. Now I'm going to stamp my feet and cry and take my toys home. :)

731 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:05:28pm

re: #681 BatGuano

Only works for a little while, then it gets reaally bad.

Relax; I'm only just starting my second Evan Williams and RC Cola. But then again, I do make them strong, and I do use 16 oz tea glasses...

732 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:05:34pm

re: #724 realwest

I believe they should atleast thake them out of Afghanistan. That place is a dead hole.

733 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:06:23pm

re: #715 Mich-again

Wow. That is almost hard to imagine. I wonder what Red thinks of all this.

When busted for promoting nazi propaganda, this woman said she preferred not to take it down but to have her readers investigate the nazi claim. She's insane and would not admit to being wrong if you paid her.

734 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:06:40pm

re: #728 SanFranciscoZionist

I'll make no blanket statements there. My BIL seems to be wearing down, and I'm kind of worried from what I hear through the family grapevine.

I talked to an Iraqi soldier who was stateside a few weeks ago. I thanked him for his service. His response: "My pleasure, ma'am."

735 Racer X  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:06:56pm

I'm out.

g'nite Lizards.

Don't take no shit.

736 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:07:14pm

re: #718 trigger girlie

I have joined LGF in 2001, right after 911, and do not consider myself a troll in any way. I am tired of US trying to help out ungratefuls that dont deserve it.

We are acting in OUR best interests, not theirs.

737 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:07:34pm

re: #731 Salamantis

Relax; I'm only just starting my second Evan Williams and RC Cola. But then again, I do make them strong, and I do use 16 oz tea glasses...

That's not good for you. Really. I would cut down on that amount of booze right now, this minute. Sixteen ounces is a lot of weight to hold in one hand, cut back to 8 ounce glasses and drink faster.

738 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:07:45pm

re: #729 Buster Bunny

Unfortunately, Soviet Union, or the country I left 12 years ago, have NOT learned any lessons. People are shit, they like living in shit, and they don't want better shit. I am tired of fellow Russian bashing the US while wearing Nike, Adidas, and drinking Pepsi.

If I didnt have a family, friends, and a house there, I would be all for letting Putin take it back to the no-food, no-money shithole it used to be. Soem people dont learn.

739 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:07:56pm

re: #718 trigger girlie

There are people who leave jobs halfway through, saying that the building is too tough .. the effort too much and the strain not rewarding.

And then there are the people who get on with the job.

740 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:08:07pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

Of course, your up ding to Avanti in turn is a negative personal attack on me. Now I'm going to stamp my feet and cry and take my toys home. :)

Hold on..What kind of toys are we talking about here?
I'm willing to unclench my fist for a price

741 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:08:29pm

re: #708 Catttt

~Foghorn Leghorn.

Another lover of the classics?

Ahhh, what's up, doc?

742 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:08:53pm

re: #737 Walter L. Newton

That's not good for you. Really. I would cut down on that amount of booze right now, this minute. Sixteen ounces is a lot of weight to hold in one hand, cut back to 8 ounce glasses and drink faster.

HeeHee!

743 Gella  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:09:00pm

re: #738 trigger girlie

Unfortunately, Soviet Union, or the country I left 12 years ago, have NOT learned any lessons. People are shit, they like living in shit, and they don't want better shit. I am tired of fellow Russian bashing the US while wearing Nike, Adidas, and drinking Pepsi.

If I didnt have a family, friends, and a house there, I would be all for letting Putin take it back to the no-food, no-money shithole it used to be. Soem people dont learn.


while living in USA and abusing the system

744 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:09:23pm

re: #733 Sharmuta

When busted for promoting nazi propaganda, this woman said she preferred not to take it down but to have her readers investigate the nazi claim. She's insane and would not admit to being wrong if you paid her.

I don't know a damn thing about this woman, so forgive me. Did she know about this or is she claiming ignorance? Could it be that she's just not as thorough as we are and Charles is?

745 jaunte  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:10:10pm

Accurate observation of Obama, from an earlier spinoff link:


Barack Obama Is a Terrible Bore.
...........
The true secret of the power of language is in quickness. Barack Obama can’t keep up. He evidently needs too much preparation. And then there’s the organization. He’s undoubtedly got too many people debating what he should say. That’s the other secret of language: You’ve got to just go for it. Can’t think too much about it. It’s like hitting the ball. And then there’s knowing who you want to be—which is different than knowing who you are. You’re on the stage. You’re acting. You’ve got to make yourself believable, cleverly make yourself up as you go along.

This guy is leaden and this show is in trouble.
[Link: www.newser.com...]

746 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:10:22pm

re: #679 ggt
Hey ggt! Y'all might want to check your e-mail when you get a chance!

747 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:10:26pm

re: #694 Salamantis

Actually, our casualty rate in Iraq has been hella low in the past few months, and the lion's share of those 'savages' are fighting alongside us, not against us.

We should stay long enough to ensure that they can protect, preserve, and defend this fledgling democracy with which we have gifted them at the cost of 4000 American lives.

And when they're truly ready to fly in their dangerous mountain home, and not before, we should remove our sheltering wing, and wish them well, and allow them to fly solo, like any other proud parent of a new constitutional democracy, and be grateful that we have once again transformed an enemy into an ally, just like in Germany and Japan and South Korea, this time in the middle of a region where we sorely need one.

Maybe the Chinese paratroop team should give them flying lessons.
////

748 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:10:52pm

re: #743 Gella

yes, those are usually the ones that say that shit.

Although I was talking about the ones that are currently in the homeland.

749 pat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:11:25pm

Trig is not a troll. She is the best kind.

750 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:11:37pm

re: #738 trigger girlie

Make no mistake trigger girlie. Russia is on the way back to capitalism. But .. like China .. it wont be capitalism as we know it. It will be capitalism riding on the back of old socialist practises.

There comes a time .. even in a post communist country where someone who has never known anything but post-communism turns around and says I WANT TO MAKE THIS PLACE BETTER.

Those words themselves .. are the road back to capitalism.

751 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:11:50pm

re: #744 TheMatrix31

I don't know a damn thing about this woman, so forgive me. Did she know about this or is she claiming ignorance? Could it be that she's just not as thorough as we are and Charles is?

She's sloppy as hell and a friend to fascists, so who knows? In the end, Pamela is all about getting attention for Pamela.

More on Pamela Geller

752 Gella  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:12:14pm

re: #748 trigger girlie

yes, those are usually the ones that say that shit.

Although I was talking about the ones that are currently in the homeland.

ohh they are even worse, the things i heard, make my hair stand up, especially if u listen to russian TV from there, grosses me out, worse then msm

753 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:12:21pm

re: #751 Sharmuta

She's sloppy as hell and a friend to fascists, so who knows? In the end, Pamela is all about getting attention for Pamela.

More on Pamela Geller

Interesting. So I guess she'd have to know then.

754 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:13:58pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

Of course, your up ding to Avanti in turn is a negative personal attack on me. Now I'm going to stamp my feet and cry and take my toys home. :)

I have a tank made out of legos. Found it sitting here right now--forgotten by one of the boys, I guess. I'll share.

755 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:14:32pm

re: #731 Salamantis

I'm drinking Dr. Pepper. From memory, name this movie.
" I had like 14 Dr. peppers".

756 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:14:35pm

re: #699 Irene NYC
ROTFL! I hope so too!

757 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #750 Buster Bunny

I guess you havent met alot of Russian then. When people say that Russians are incompetent drunks...they are not kiddin. It sucks to say that about my land, but I go there once in a while.

Nothing but "connected" ones in Mercedeces and old ladies almost crawling on the ground with grocery bags. No such thing as courtesy.

Not all, ofcourse, but the normal ones are such a minority.

I suggest checkin out englishrussia.com for a decent perception of modern day Russia. From the eyes of other Russians.

758 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:15:22pm

re: #733 Sharmuta

She's insane and would not admit to being wrong if you paid her.

We used to e-mail back and forth, back in the day when she was just another poster here. Its hard to watch someone go off the deep end like that.

759 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:15:27pm

re: #751 Sharmuta

She's sloppy as hell and a friend to fascists, so who knows? In the end, Pamela is all about getting attention for Pamela.

More on Pamela Geller

I tired of listening to SELF IMPORTANT JEWS a long time ago. They come on out fighting for 'the cause' and of course 'the principle' and then go off and bed with fundamentalists .. shag with nazis and do the dirty with Iran.

Yes .. there were 'useful idiots' even in Nazi Germany. But dont ask me to respect them for repeatedly and incessantly doing the wrong thing.

760 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:16:30pm

re: #744 TheMatrix31

I don't know a damn thing about this woman, so forgive me. Did she know about this or is she claiming ignorance? Could it be that she's just not as thorough as we are and Charles is?

She is blinded by jihadi-hatred to the point of insanity.

761 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:17:10pm

re: #746 realwest

Hey ggt! Y'all might want to check your e-mail when you get a chance!

thanks!

762 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:17:24pm

re: #752 Gella

Russian TV in Chicago is not too bad; I watch it at my grandma's. Not as slanted as msm. Russian TV in Russia tho is another story. Well, Putin made sure he "took care" of all the "unfavorable" TV stations. And people overwhelmingly voted for him.

763 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:17:47pm

We most definitely shouldn't quit on Iraq now, Trig; the hard and bloody part's done - that is, as long as we remain for a while to keep the jihadi vampire safely staked in its coffin till we can safely hand over the hammer.

I don't wanna see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory simply because of emotional fatigue. That's what happened to us after Tet (which was a resounding military victory for us) in Vietnam, and we're STILL paying for it in national confidence and assertiveness, just like Russia's still paying for Afghanistan (it, Reagan's assertiveness with the Pershing missiles and SDI, and the Warsaw Pact union movement led to the collapse of the Soviet Union). But, for good or for ill (in his case ill), Putin can force things on Russia that no American president can force on America.

764 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:18:33pm

re: #715 Mich-again
Hi Mich! Uh, who is "Red"?

765 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:18:42pm

re: #757 trigger girlie

My neighbour is Russian. Two doors down is Russian. Most of the large houses in my street, and I live in a well-to-do street are mostly Russians who came to this area post 1990 and made good here. When every other person in the country was busy quibbling about 'how to make the best dollar' the russians were running delicatessens .. laundromats .. and in the evening .. cleaning other people's businesses for money.

Now they are driving Mercs .. and living in big houses .. within 12 years.

And yes .. I know whats going on in Russia too.

766 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:19:33pm

re: #764 realwest

Hi Mich! Uh, who is "Red"?

Good evening Realwest..Hope you are well...

767 TheMatrix31  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:20:12pm

The Russian corruption slipped in to the Armenian culture, and now Armenians have a reputation for their corruption.

Ugh, so many of them give the rest of us good ones a bad name, especially the ones like my family who aren't even FROM Armenia to begin with but rather, the diaspora.

768 Gella  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:21:06pm

re: #762 trigger girlie

Russian TV in Chicago is not too bad; I watch it at my grandma's. Not as slanted as msm. Russian TV in Russia tho is another story. Well, Putin made sure he "took care" of all the "unfavorable" TV stations. And people overwhelmingly voted for him.

for some reason i can't watch it at all, Russian TV in Chicago, i think they show news from Moscow, reminds me of "good old times during communism".
yap, u have 2 candidates, one wins with 99% of votes, doesn't matter who u vote for

769 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:22:12pm

re: #758 Mich-again

We used to e-mail back and forth, back in the day when she was just another poster here. Its hard to watch someone go off the deep end like that.

I know.... I don't really know what else to say about it except it's a damn shame to see the destruction in the wake of her extremist frenzy.

770 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:22:56pm

re: #763 Salamantis

I remember Tet. It was just before I turned 13. My family watched CBS news and I recall Uncle Walter telling us what a disastrous defeat it was and we had lost the war. It wasn't until the eighties that I learned the truth. An up ding for the reminder.

771 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:25:26pm

re: #765 Buster Bunny

The ways of getting a Merc in the US and in Russia are a lil different. My parents have busted their asses off in this country (although neither is show offish enough to get a Mercedes) to afford great living for themselves.

Russians with Mercs in Russia are busy catering to the corrupt pieces of shit and treating everyone like shit.

I live in a highly Russian neighborhood, and most Russians (ok, Ukrianians and Belorussians) here have busted their asses. The corrupt lifestyle, however, have rubbed of on the "nostalgic" youth. Most of my HS friends now drive Merc's, and not cause of a good reason.

772 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:26:12pm

re: #770 BatGuano

I remember Tet. It was just before I turned 13. My family watched CBS news and I recall Uncle Walter telling us what a disastrous defeat it was and we had lost the war. It wasn't until the eighties that I learned the truth. An up ding for the reminder.

Sept. 13. 1968.

The date MSM turned traitor.

773 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:29:25pm

re: #772 jcm

"The brink of cosmic disaster!"

Damn Cronkite had already gone left by then. We could have won had the "war" not been run by politicians and allowed our soldiers to fight a war unfettered by geo-political concerns. Calling up LBJ for permissions was, as an example, not a way to run a war.

Regardless, I think we won in the long run.

774 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:29:43pm

re: #732 trigger girlie
With all due respect, Afghanistan, when it was run by the Taliban, provided safe haven for Osama and Al-Quaeda - enabled them to train, recruit, arm and plan not only the bombing of the USS Cole but also, 9/11.
President George W. Bush asked them to turn Osama bin Laden over to the US for the Mass Murders committed at bin Laden's orders. The Taliban said NO Way. And you can't come and get him because, after all, we beat the (then) mighty Soviet Army in 10 years. Some 9 weeks after the Taliban said that, we took over Afghanistan. And now Afghanistan, together with some of the frontier provinces of Pakistan is once again providing a haven for Al-Quaeda and whoever it's leader is. We can't quit Afghanistan (although I think Obama will quit Afghanistan) until Al-Quaeda and the Taliban are no longer any threat to us.

775 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:30:28pm

re: #764 realwest

e-mail sent...

776 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:30:42pm

re: #751 Sharmuta

She's sloppy as hell and a friend to fascists, so who knows? In the end, Pamela is all about getting attention for Pamela.

More on Pamela Geller

I was going to link to a pic of her in a really bad dress that was about to say goodbye to her boobs, which were trying valiantly to follow the dress down, but my browser crashed. Just as well. Meow.

777 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:30:43pm

re: #730 Walter L. Newton

Of course, your up ding to Avanti in turn is a negative personal attack on me. Now I'm going to stamp my feet and cry and take my toys home. :)

Hmm, I'm going to have to think about that. :)
I don't know Avanti's history and don't agree with most of what he (she?) says, But I also don't agree that personal attacks are the answer.

778 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:31:42pm

re: #776 Catttt

There's no need to help promote that aspect of pamela. She's does that just fine on her own.

779 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:31:49pm

re: #773 Gus 802

"The brink of cosmic disaster!"

Damn Cronkite had already gone left by then. We could have won had the "war" not been run by politicians and allowed our soldiers to fight a war unfettered by geo-political concerns. Calling up LBJ for permissions was, as an example, not a way to run a war.

Regardless, I think we won in the long run.

Our soldiers and military won, it was throw away along with the ultimate sacrifice of 50,000 of America's best by the politicians and media.

780 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:32:49pm

re: #776 Catttt

google-image her name. I think the plastic surgery she had has messed with her brains.

781 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:32:58pm

re: #726 Unakite

I up dinged you again because although I disagree with you on a lot of things I also disagree with the negative personal attacks.

Next on the program, we will all sing a rousing chorus of Kumbaya, while my confederates pick your pockets.

782 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:33:09pm

re: #770 BatGuano

I remember Tet. It was just before I turned 13. My family watched CBS news and I recall Uncle Walter telling us what a disastrous defeat it was and we had lost the war. It wasn't until the eighties that I learned the truth. An up ding for the reminder.

I was an aviation antisubmarine warfare technician in the Navy in 74-77, during the Cold War. I maintained the antisub detection equipment (the rating required a TS clearance), and hunted Soviet subs in H-2 Seasprite helos and P-3 Orion fixed wings in the Gulf of Mexico and off the Eastern Seaboard.

I didn't remain in, although I was offered an advance to e-6 and a 15 grand bonus (I ws good at what I did), because the rampant lackdaisicalness and cynicism got me down. It was a terrible time for the morale of the US military; we're damn lucky to have emerged from that era as well as we did.

783 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:33:28pm

re: #778 Sharmuta

There's no need to help promote that aspect of pamela. She's does that just fine on her own.

Underwear is funterwear! Meow.

784 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:35:02pm

re: #737 Walter L. Newton

That's not good for you. Really. I would cut down on that amount of booze right now, this minute. Sixteen ounces is a lot of weight to hold in one hand, cut back to 8 ounce glasses and drink faster.

Damn. Agree with Walter and am jealous of Salamantis. I think 8 ounces in each hand would be a good compromise.

785 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:35:18pm

re: #772 jcm

I can't get to play,but I'll search for it later. The Tet offensive was exactly what our soldiers wanted. The Viet Cong came out of their hidey holes and took us on head-on, which is just what we wanted. The Viet Cong were virtually destroyed. Major victory for the US forces.

786 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:35:28pm

re: #779 jcm

The brink of cosmic disaster.

I love it. We have a president that wants to take us back to the stone ages, we have barely set foot on our nearest satellite .. and we are worrying about cosmic disasters and global warming .. most of which are beyond our control.

Real world .. guys !

787 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:35:31pm

re: #779 jcm

Our soldiers and military won, it was throw away along with the ultimate sacrifice of 50,000 of America's best by the politicians and media.

And the countless others that suffered upon their return in a society that hasn't changed to this date in certain circles. I don't know if its right for me to say it was tactical loss but that it was a strategic win in that we wore the Soviets and the Red Chinese out in their quest for world domination -- which was a reality even though the left (being communists themselves) would have us think otherwise.

788 Mich-again  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:35:58pm

re: #784 Unakite

I like the 24 oz cans of Budweiser. Fewer trips to the fridge.

789 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:36:40pm

re: #780 trigger girlie

google-image her name. I think the plastic surgery she had has messed with her brains.

You might have something there. Or it might be the other way around.

Example of someone who knows how to look good, and she's in her 60s.

790 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:37:27pm

re: #782 Salamantis

Was that when they started to have long hair? Maybe not long hair but when I see the photos they remind me of the long hair period in the NYPD. Mind you I have nothing against long hair on men but in the military it looks both wrong and seems to reflect a certain lack of respect.

791 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:37:47pm

re: #784 Unakite

Damn. Agree with Walter and am jealous of Salamantis. I think 8 ounces in each hand would be a good compromise.

Leads to even muscle exertion and development.

792 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:38:49pm

re: #790 Gus 802

Was that when they started to have long hair? Maybe not long hair but when I see the photos they remind me of the long hair period in the NYPD. Mind you I have nothing against long hair on men but in the military it looks both wrong and seems to reflect a certain lack of respect.

It was the hairnet era. Nuff said.

I didn't do it.

793 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:38:59pm

re: #787 Gus 802

And the countless others that suffered upon their return in a society that hasn't changed to this date in certain circles. I don't know if its right for me to say it was tactical loss but that it was a strategic win in that we wore the Soviets and the Red Chinese out in their quest for world domination -- which was a reality even though the left (being communists themselves) would have us think otherwise.

Guys are wearing Vietnam hats now with pride. I love taking my boys up to them and saying thank you.

Vietnam was a loss but not militarily. It was a loss of will. Will of the political class to win.

794 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:40:11pm

re: #783 Catttt

Underwear is funterwear! Meow.

Supporting assets is beneficial.

795 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:40:15pm

re: #785 BatGuano

I can't get to play,but I'll search for it later. The Tet offensive was exactly what our soldiers wanted. The Viet Cong came out of their hidey holes and took us on head-on, which is just what we wanted. The Viet Cong were virtually destroyed. Major victory for the US forces.

Here's the link to Youtube.
Walter Cronkite, 1968

796 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:40:33pm

re: #766 HoosierHoops
Hi ya Hoops! Yes I am doing well, thank you,but I am tired and will be going to bed shortly!
How are you doing my friend?

797 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:40:47pm

re: #213 MandyManners

I declare FCBBHO will use this as an attempt to curry favor with the special-needs community. He'll be the prodigal son.

Or, am I extremely cynical?

If he's half as savvy/intelligent as his supporters claim, he most certainly would. I think Clinton could have pulled something like that off, but not so sure about Obama. We'll see.

798 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:42:05pm

re: #773 Gus 802

"The brink of cosmic disaster!"

Damn Cronkite had already gone left by then. We could have won had the "war" not been run by politicians and allowed our soldiers to fight a war unfettered by geo-political concerns. Calling up LBJ for permissions was, as an example, not a way to run a war.

Regardless, I think we won in the long run.

We got some REALLY GOOD Vietnamese immigrants who would have not otherwise become American citizens. We won in that regard for sure.

799 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:42:14pm

re: #785 BatGuano

I can't get to play,but I'll search for it later. The Tet offensive was exactly what our soldiers wanted. The Viet Cong came out of their hidey holes and took us on head-on, which is just what we wanted. The Viet Cong were virtually destroyed. Major victory for the US forces.

If it says "embedding disabled by request" you can click on it a second time to get it to open in a new window. Might have to click around the black field.

800 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:42:16pm

re: #781 Catttt

Next on the program, we will all sing a rousing chorus of Kumbaya, while my confederates pick your pockets.

Oh, come on. I'm not that bad, and I've been drinking. And I don't even like Kumbaya.

801 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:42:48pm

Sharmuta, have you seen this? Holy smokes! [Link: www.nypost.com...]

802 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:42:53pm

re: #790 Gus 802

Was that when they started to have long hair? Maybe not long hair but when I see the photos they remind me of the long hair period in the NYPD. Mind you I have nothing against long hair on men but in the military it looks both wrong and seems to reflect a certain lack of respect.


Alexander Skarsgard as a vampire - long hair - looks good.

Alexander Skarsgard as Sgt. Brad Colbert - short hair - looks good.

803 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:43:01pm

re: #795 jcm

Thanks. That was from "the most trusted man in America". Good riddance.

804 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:43:10pm

re: #800 Unakite

Oh, come on. I'm not that bad, and I've been drinking. And I don't even like Kumbaya.

:D

805 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:43:12pm

re: #798 ggt

We got some REALLY GOOD Vietnamese immigrants who would have not otherwise become American citizens. We won in that regard for sure.

I went to school with their kids. Better believe it.

806 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:43:50pm

Y'all know me; I almost never speak of my military service, even though I'm proud of what I did and how I did it. But we got on the topic, and in vino veritas.

807 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:44:24pm

re: #788 Mich-again

I like the 24 oz cans of Budweiser. Fewer trips to the fridge.

Ooooohhhhh.......! pound-and-a-halfers!

808 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:45:32pm

Drudge Headline: 2 corporate credit unions taken over by government
I don't suppose this is going to bode well with the markets on Monday.

809 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:45:56pm

re: #798 ggt

We got some REALLY GOOD Vietnamese immigrants who would have not otherwise become American citizens. We won in that regard for sure.

We do which is something I've mentioned before. Having known a couple or three. I never spoke with the old soldiers (Vietnamese) that I saw at a wedding once but they were there with a large group of other Vietnamese vets. They had that look to them that spoke of their past.

My one friend's father was put in a communist prison after the fall of Saigon for some years. They tried to starve him to death. The goal was to kill all former South Vietnamese army members. Eventually they escaped as refugees and ended up in Colorado. One stayed in Australia due to immigration limitations.

810 slokat  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:45:57pm

re: #797 Slumbering Behemoth

I think O has already moved on, won't think about the issue again, never understood why it garnered attention, could care less about the response.

811 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:47:21pm

re: #802 Catttt

There you go.

812 freetoken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:48:20pm

re: #786 Buster Bunny

We have a president that wants to take us back to the stone ages...

Don't understand your comment...

However, on the subject of McLeroy, who evidently does want to take us back to the stone ages (or, at least back to era of ancient Greece, if I understand the author of the book in question)... I remain amazed at the superciliousness of Texas politicians in these matters.

813 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:49:09pm

re: #801 MrPaulRevere

Yeah- I saw her ex was not on the up and up. I'm not surprised- she seems to run with plenty of shady associates.

814 freetoken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:49:24pm

re: #808 Killgore Trout


I don't suppose this is going to bode well with the markets on Monday.

Which is why they do these things on Friday after most markets are closed.

815 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:49:25pm

re: #798 ggt

We got some REALLY GOOD Vietnamese immigrants who would have not otherwise become American citizens. We won in that regard for sure.

I had a classmate who was the daughter of a S. Vietnamese Air Force pilot. He stayed to fight and ended up in the camps, she was born in the camps.

She was so thankful for the opportunities American afforded, education, work, and above all Liberty.

816 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:50:41pm

re: #814 freetoken

That was my first reaction too.

817 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:50:57pm

re: #812 freetoken

Who is A.W. and why is he posting on a dead creationist thread TWO hours after the last coherant message?

The one about Canadas Science Chief.

818 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:51:33pm

re: #806 Salamantis

Y'all know me; I almost never speak of my military service, even though I'm proud of what I did and how I did it. But we got on the topic, and in vino veritas.

OK, not up on my latin. How do you say, in "Evan Williams and RC Cola" there is truth?

819 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:51:39pm

re: #806 Salamantis

When I drink it is in Vino gibberish. Although I am now sipping a fine California wine.

820 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:52:49pm

re: #819 BatGuano

When I drink it is in Vino gibberish. Although I am now sipping a fine California wine.

I speak fluent vino gibberish .. with a Russian accent.

821 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:53:01pm

It might be time to put the unconstitutional myth to rest....

Courts Unlikely to Strike Down AIG Tax Law, Legal Experts Say

822 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:53:40pm

re: #775 Mich-again
Received - thanks a lot Mich!

823 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:53:43pm

re: #815 jcm

I had a classmate who was the daughter of a S. Vietnamese Air Force pilot. He stayed to fight and ended up in the camps, she was born in the camps.

She was so thankful for the opportunities American afforded, education, work, and above all Liberty.

Nguyen?

That's like the folks I just mentioned. Hard work. And they're patriotic and conservative. Perhaps more so than your average American. The one I worked with used to listen to Rush L. all the time. He used to love my imitations and would laugh at them while the PC white guys would turn red in the face because they thought I shouldn't do that. Not him though, he loved them.

824 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:54:58pm

re: #823 Gus 802

Nguyen?

That's like the folks I just mentioned. Hard work. And they're patriotic and conservative. Perhaps more so than your average American. The one I worked with used to listen to Rush L. all the time. He used to love my imitations and would laugh at them while the PC white guys would turn red in the face because they thought I shouldn't do that. Not him though, he loved them.

I don't remember here name off hand. I work with a Nguyen now, one of the best engineers in the company.

825 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:56:18pm

re: #824 jcm

I don't remember here name off hand. I work with a Nguyen now, one of the best engineers in the company.

Ah, funny you should mention engineer. This was at a small civil and structural engineering "firm." Just one licensed engineer.

826 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:57:01pm

re: #802 Catttt

/faints

827 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:57:15pm

re: #779 jcm
Hi jcm. "it was throw away along with the ultimate sacrifice of 50,000 58,000 of America's best by the Democractic politicians and media."
FTFY!

828 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:58:11pm

re: #708 Catttt

~Foghorn Leghorn.

Close. But Senator Claghorn beat him to it.

829 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:58:20pm

re: #801 MrPaulRevere

maybe its the plastic surgery funds?

830 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:59:33pm

re: #824 jcm

I don't remember here name off hand. I work with a Nguyen now, one of the best engineers in the company.

This guy finally got his license and moved to another firm in the energy sector.

831 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 10:59:40pm

re: #826 trigger girlie

Trigger, who's the girl in your avatar?

832 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:00:16pm

re: #831 BatGuano

moi

833 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:00:24pm

re: #827 realwest

Hi jcm. "it was throw away along with the ultimate sacrifice of 50,000 58,000 of America's best by the Democractic politicians and media."
FTFY!

Thank you!

834 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:01:12pm

re: #831 BatGuano

Trigger, who's the girl in your avatar?

May not be appropriate, but I was wondering the same thing.

835 freetoken  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:01:23pm

re: #817 Buster Bunny

A.W..... sounds familiar, but I lose track of posters on LGF unless they are are a regular poster on the LNDT.

BTW, did anyone post a link to the appellate court's rejection of Robert Bowie Johnson's appeal regarding his racist board game? If not here it is.

Really, this ought to come up in Texas politics. Yes, it is guilt by association (against McLeroy), but still, to have the head of the State board of education writing endorsements for people like R.B. Johnson ought to mean something.

836 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:02:56pm

re: #832 trigger girlie

moi

Damn .. I was hoping it was some hot foreign chick.

But still .. its nice to know.

837 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:03:09pm

re: #829 trigger girlie

I have to say I was shocked when I found that article. Having said that she appeared to have no legal culpability, to be fair.

838 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:03:42pm

re: #834 Unakite

lol, it is me. I put that up when the avatars came out since I thought that it was more personal to see who you are talkin to. I've known some lizards for 8 yrs now, and have no idea what they look like.

839 Erik The Red  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:04:13pm

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards. I posted this yesterday on the LNDT. Worth posting again.

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy
out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another
person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to
anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody
else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other
half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is
going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end
of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Dr. Adrian Rogers

840 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:05:08pm

I was one of those rare people who voluntarily enlisted during the late Vietnam era, actually dropping an academic college scholarship to do so. I did it for selfish reasons; me and my WW II vet father (he was good enough at house to house combat to be pulled off the front lines to train new recruits, some thing that pissed him off immensely) didn't get along, and I had gotten engaged to a co-ed at college, so I joined so that I would have a steady income to support her when we got married. It turned out that she was an heiress worth millions, and had concealed the fact so that people wouldn't flock to her because of her money, but because of who she was, and I did. But boot camp changed me, and when I found out after boot camp that she was rich, I broke off the engagement, not wanting to spend the rest of my life taking care of someone else's money. It was the right decision; she turned out to be an eminently layable certified nutball.

The military matured me, and broadened my horizons. I used my GI Bill to get my ba and ma, and although my father and I continued to have our occasional disagreements, I was surprised to discover that I had developed an unexpected new respect for him and his opinions.

841 Catttt  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:05:16pm

re: #824 jcm

I don't remember here name off hand. I work with a Nguyen now, one of the best engineers in the company.

Our fine immigrants, like the Vietnamese Americans who we were lucky enough to be able to welcome here, are one of America's greatest strengths. Trotting out The New Colossus, which never gets old and is truly a classic - then to bed.

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
—Emma Lazarus, 1883

842 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:05:31pm

re: #787 Gus 802

And the countless others that suffered upon their return in a society that hasn't changed to this date in certain circles. I don't know if its right for me to say it was tactical loss but that it was a strategic win in that we wore the Soviets and the Red Chinese out in their quest for world domination -- which was a reality even though the left (being communists themselves) would have us think otherwise.


Indeed, and not to mention the 350,000 men who were wounded (physically) over there or the thousands upon thousand of others who suffered through societal neglect and Dioxin ("Agent Orange").
I am very proud of my service in Vietnam, not so much in the cut and run and not fund the South Vietnamese Army back here by the Democrats in Congress.

843 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:06:25pm

Comandante Obama
The president has made America look like a banana republic.

"But you don't understand," the Colombian said. "We've seen this before."

"He's right, my good friend," the Cuban said. "We Latin Americans know the pattern. Believe me we do."

The American tried to shrug off the Latin Americans' warning. To his consternation, he found that he couldn't. Peron, Fidel, now Chavez, they insisted. The emergence of misrule, corruption and economic stagnation in Latin American nations follows a particular sequence or progression. Now the sequence was unfolding in the United States.

"It starts with a cult of personality," the Cuban explained. "One man declares himself the jefe, the caudillo, the big leader."

Read the whole thing!

844 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:06:26pm

re: #838 trigger girlie

lol, it is me. I put that up when the avatars came out since I thought that it was more personal to see who you are talkin to. I've known some lizards for 8 yrs now, and have no idea what they look like.

I look like a green football. :)

845 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:06:40pm

re: #838 trigger girlie

lol, it is me. I put that up when the avatars came out since I thought that it was more personal to see who you are talkin to. I've known some lizards for 8 yrs now, and have no idea what they look like.

I'm short and fluffy 0'8" with a little cotton bud tail and big grey ears (ok on some photos they look white). And I love fruit cup with strawberries and blueberries.

Looking for similar bunny for warren digging and carrot surfing .. NSA fun.

846 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:07:33pm

re: #837 MrPaulRevere

ofcourse, thats what they all say. Saying "dammit, yes, I WAS leeching off my ex for all the moneys he got off the dirty deals" would be a little irrational.

847 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:08:27pm

re: #845 Buster Bunny

perhaps craigslist.org would have just what you need. Might be transgendered and into BDSM< but still...

848 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:08:56pm

re: #840 Salamantis

"I was surprised to discover that I had developed an unexpected new respect for him and his opinions." That tends to happen when a person turns 25. Fascinating story and thanks for all you did.

849 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:09:13pm

re: #844 Unakite

wow, you must have a lot of twin siblings.

850 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:09:48pm

re: #847 trigger girlie

perhaps craigslist.org would have just what you need. Might be transgendered and into BDSM< but still...

Ya craigslist is ok .. but they all think the carrot surfing .. its a little kinky.

Plus .. I always get relisted in the PETS category.

How undignified !

851 realwest  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:10:00pm

Well you all it's been grand, but I gotta get some sleep!
I hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, all.

852 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:10:05pm

re: #842 realwest

That was the final ending. The cutting of funding to South Vietnam.

853 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:10:08pm

re: #842 realwest

Indeed, and not to mention the 350,000 men who were wounded (physically) over there or the thousands upon thousand of others who suffered through societal neglect and Dioxin ("Agent Orange").
I am very proud of my service in Vietnam, not so much in the cut and run and not fund the South Vietnamese Army back here by the Democrats in Congress.

And well you should be.

This country did a disservice to our 'Nam vets by throwing it away, and shamed its self by the treatment they got upon returning.

All 'Nam vets should be proud. They served this country honorably and well.

854 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:10:27pm

re: #851 realwest

See you later.

855 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:10:40pm

re: #845 Buster Bunny

Mmmm...fruitcup.

856 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:12:01pm

re: #840 Salamantis

I was one of those rare people who voluntarily enlisted during the late Vietnam era, actually dropping an academic college scholarship to do so. I did it for selfish reasons; me and my WW II vet father (he was good enough at house to house combat to be pulled off the front lines to train new recruits, some thing that pissed him off immensely) didn't get along, and I had gotten engaged to a co-ed at college, so I joined so that I would have a steady income to support her when we got married. It turned out that she was an heiress worth millions, and had concealed the fact so that people wouldn't flock to her because of her money, but because of who she was, and I did. But boot camp changed me, and when I found out after boot camp that she was rich, I broke off the engagement, not wanting to spend the rest of my life taking care of someone else's money. It was the right decision; she turned out to be an eminently layable certified nutball.

The military matured me, and broadened my horizons. I used my GI Bill to get my ba and ma, and although my father and I continued to have our occasional disagreements, I was surprised to discover that I had developed an unexpected new respect for him and his opinions.

Thanks for your service. My dad enlisted in the Navy at the end of WWII, but I was too young for Vietnam. I live in a city that is heavily dependent on the military and have nothing but respect for anyone that served.

857 jcm  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:12:56pm

I'm out of here also.

Nite Honcos!

How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams

858 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:13:03pm

re: #844 Unakite

I look like a green football. :)

are we cousins?

859 gmsc  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:13:33pm

re: #857 jcm

I'm out of here also.

Nite Honcos!

How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!
Samuel Adams

Take care, jcm!

860 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:14:00pm

re: #857 jcm

Mmmm...Sam Adams. Goodnight JCM

861 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:14:21pm

weet dreams all!

862 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:14:35pm

re: #850 Buster Bunny

careful, so you dont wind up as someone's appetizer, or a fur collar.

863 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:14:55pm

re: #853 jcm

And well you should be.

This country did a disservice to our 'Nam vets by throwing it away, and shamed its self by the treatment they got upon returning.

All 'Nam vets should be proud. They served this country honorably and well.

Sometimes I see it as if though we lost a generation afterwards. Not in battle casualties but in the social treatment from a sub-culture in this country that took it upon themselves to disrespect anything related to Vietnam veterans. The main players in that front being Jane Fonda, John Kerry, and Tom Hayden. All three are talentless lowlifes.

864 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:15:38pm

re: #842 realwest

Indeed, and not to mention the 350,000 men who were wounded (physically) over there or the thousands upon thousand of others who suffered through societal neglect and Dioxin ("Agent Orange").
I am very proud of my service in Vietnam, not so much in the cut and run and not fund the South Vietnamese Army back here by the Democrats in Congress.

And my thanks and respects to you, too, and all others who have served or are still serving.

865 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:15:57pm

re: #858 ggt

are we cousins?

Are you guys so damn lazy that you can not find an appropriate Avatar? Green Footballs, indeed!

866 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:16:25pm

re: #836 Buster Bunny

Sorry to disappoint. Not foreign since my citizenship 3 yrs ago. Hot? Its 20 degrees here, don't know what hot is in this place.

867 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:17:10pm

re: #865 BatGuano

I posted Helen Thomas as mine a while ago, but was forced to take it down. It was causing mental health issues.

868 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:17:50pm

Btw; my father was a certified badass. When he was discharged from the Army at the end of WW II, he bought himself an Indian motorcycle, and joined one of the first biker gangs, the Iron Men (waay before the Hell's Angels). But then he met and married my mother, and she tamed the wild man. She made him sell his bike and resign his membership.

But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree; I went through my post-enlistment biker phase, too, much to my mother's horror and my father's amusement.

869 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:17:57pm

re: #849 trigger girlie

wow, you must have a lot of twin siblings.

Yes, we were all hatched together at different times.

870 Macker  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:18:39pm

Just got done watching the final episode of Battlestar Galactica. Holy Frak!

871 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:19:29pm

re: #868 Salamantis

Was your father in the European theater?

872 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:19:41pm

re: #867 trigger girlie

I think you finally made the right decision and I will let it go at that. ;)

873 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:20:21pm

re: #858 ggt

are we cousins?

If there's alcohol involved, let's have a reunion!

874 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:20:21pm

re: #871 Gus 802

Was your father in the European theater?

Yeah. With Patton.

875 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:21:02pm

re: #862 trigger girlie

careful, so you dont wind up as someone's appetizer, or a fur collar.

Or good luck charm.

876 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:21:28pm

re: #810 slokat

And if he plays it like that, it will work just as well. This morning's news touched on it, called it a regrettable (and harmless) slip, and moved on. Nothing to see here.

My arrogant opinion: Obama used special-needs kids/adults as a joke, and those opposed to Obama are using special-needs kids/adults as a political "gotcha".

It's exploitation, and I don't like any of it.

877 Buster Bunny  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:21:31pm

re: #866 trigger girlie

Sorry to disappoint. Not foreign since my citizenship 3 yrs ago. Hot? Its 20 degrees here, don't know what hot is in this place.

Is ok. Well and truly committed (in the non loony sense) and with a prospective warren and breeding season on the way.

Looking forward to more carrots and happy times.

878 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:22:00pm

re: #874 Salamantis

Yeah. With Patton.

Nice. Now that's history right there.

879 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:23:46pm

Just on the news. People who thumb text a lot are developing bigger opposable thumbs. Once people make money out of tweeting, big thumbs might be considered sexually desirable.

880 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:23:55pm

re: #868 Salamantis

What a coinkydink. My Dad also bought an Indian (Motorcycle) after WW2. When I was 3, I pushed it over.On another occasion at the same age, I burned my hand on the shiny chrome part. I learned later it was called 'the exhaust pipe'.

881 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:24:06pm

re: #865 BatGuano

Are you guys so damn lazy that you can not find an appropriate Avatar? Green Footballs, indeed!

Uhmm...yeah?
//Actually, haven't figured it out yet.

882 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:25:25pm

re: #866 trigger girlie

Sorry to disappoint. Not foreign since my citizenship 3 yrs ago. Hot? Its 20 degrees here, don't know what hot is in this place.

°F or °C?

883 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:26:20pm

re: #878 Gus 802

Nice. Now that's history right there.

He didn't speak of his service unless he had been drinking, and he drank rarely, and then he spoke of it only with family and close friends, and always with pride and sadness. It was rough and double tough, but I will respect his memory by not speaking of it here.

884 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:26:34pm

re: #881 Unakite

Uhmm...yeah?
//Actually, haven't figured it out yet.

You can just find a photo you like online. Save it on your hard drive (in a place you can remember) and then upload it as your avatar. Make sure it's a small image like around 300 x 300 there about.

885 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:27:17pm

re: #867 trigger girlie

Forced? Since when has my begging "Please, please, bring the pretty picture back" been considered an act of force?

/Howdy TG.

886 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:27:54pm

re: #882 Unakite

F, unfortunately

887 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:28:47pm

re: #884 Gus 802

You can just find a photo you like online. Save it on your hard drive (in a place you can remember) and then upload it as your avatar. Make sure it's a small image like around 300 x 300 there about.

Thanks. I think getting it the right size is what I have been having trouble with.

888 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:28:53pm

re: #885 Slumbering Behemoth

lol, SB, heya ;p

I have 4 people standing right in front of my face, speaking Ebonics. I think I will stab them. I hate when people have to talk to each other 2 ft from my front desk.

889 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:29:06pm

re: #883 Salamantis

He didn't speak of his service unless he had been drinking, and he drank rarely, and then he spoke of it only with family and close friends, and always with pride and sadness. It was rough and double tough, but I will respect his memory by not speaking of it here.

OK, I can understand that. They were just kids when they went to war in WWII. Many of them didn't even know how to drive. They were thrust into a war that saw the death and injuries of soldiers and citizens in numbers never seen before or after.

890 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:30:33pm

re: #887 Unakite

Thanks. I think getting it the right size is what I have been having trouble with.

Think small or medium sized images. You can set to search on Google using "small" or "medium" sized images.

891 trigger girlie  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:32:09pm

re: #887 Unakite

/must not channel Michael Scott's "thats what she said, must not channel...

892 Van Helsing  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:33:18pm

re: #853 jcm

And well you should be.

This country did a disservice to our 'Nam vets by throwing it away, and shamed its self by the treatment they got upon returning.

All 'Nam vets should be proud. They served this country honorably and well.

And congress shamed itself (and the country) by turning their backs on a commitment to an ally.

893 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:39:10pm

re: #888 trigger girlie

Start talking to them about conspiracy theories, but make up some real crazy stuff, like play-dough being a nazi conspiracy to control the minds of American children.

"It's the chemicals! Nothing stays that soft and pliable for that long! And that's just what they want, to make our minds soft and pliable!"

Make it as random and ridiculous as possible. If it doesn't scare them away, at least you had some entertainment.

894 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:46:57pm

re: #892 Van Helsing

And congress shamed itself (and the country) by turning their backs on a commitment to an ally.

And we did it again. Bush I asked the Iraqis during the Gulf War to revolt against Saddam Hussein, and they did, in 14 of 18 provinces. Then we opened our lines at the end of it, and permitted the Republican Guard tank battalions to return to Iraq unmolested, where they proceeded to massacre a quarter million mostly unarmed Iraqis who had made the mistake of trusting and heeding our president's call to freedom, with the help of bombers and helicopter gunships. The no-fly zones were imposed by the UN in order to lessen the slaughter, but they had no effect on the tank battalions that we allowed to return.

We fecklessly and ignobly abandoned and betrayed those trusting, freedom-desiring people to certain death at the hands of a genocidal dictator, and allowed the means of their destruction to trundle back into the country unmolested; no wonder they had a hard time trusting our word again. It was our country's most shameful moment since Vietnam.

But we paid our blood debt of honor, and regained their trust (with the surge especially), and we shouldn't even consider contemplating betraying it a second time in two successive generations. Otherwise, I could fully understand them turning to Al Qaeda for revenge against us.

895 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:53:34pm

re: #884 Gus 802

You can just find a photo you like online. Save it on your hard drive (in a place you can remember) and then upload it as your avatar. Make sure it's a small image like around 300 x 300 there about.

OK, finally bit the bullet. Response for test, but not sure what will show up.

896 Gus  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:55:07pm

re: #895 Unakite

OK, finally bit the bullet. Response for test, but not sure what will show up.

Awesome, and cute. That will do perfectly.

Everyones at the top thread.

897 Unakite  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:55:50pm

re: #896 Gus 802

Awesome, and cute. That will do perfectly.

Everyones at the top thread.

Headin' that way.

898 BatGuano  Fri, Mar 20, 2009 11:57:21pm

re: #897 Unakite

Good avatar!

899 Unakite  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 12:04:26am

re: #898 BatGuano

Good avatar!

Thanks. I know everyone's above, but that is my son when he was three years old. Wanted to put that up since I registered, but didn't know how.

900 FrogMarch  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 6:54:44am

re: #41 Killgore Trout

I think we're going to see an early meltdown. Before #100. It's been a tough week and people are wound up. The socialist War on Bonuses has the conservatives in a snit these days.

The democrats in power let the bonuses slip through in the bailout language.
Then the democrats faked that they were outraged. Then the democrats in congress voted to TAX the AIG bonus recipients at a 90% tax rate.

Now AIG employees feel personally threatened in blue state Connecticut. Are you sure it's only "conservatives" who are in a snit?

901 Nemesis6  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 7:02:07am

How can I help stave this off? Anyone in particular I can contact?

902 [deleted]  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 7:07:52am
903 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 7:15:51am

Tribute to the original Chuck D : Holla Atcha Boy Charlie Darwin!

904 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 7:19:38am

re: #1 WhiteRasta

Is this for real? Are these people for serious? They sound like the freaking taliban.

Too true.

905 Basho  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 8:04:44am

re: #646 Unakite


I may be slow, but I sure am stupid. This comment and response tells me: 1) You can't think for yourself, so you have to let someone else think for you, and 2) you have a sinking feeling that that you're wrong but can't admit it.

lol
Fine, I definitely think the increased spending will improve the economy. I can't see the future so I can't admit I'm wrong about it, but I have doubts because I'm not hardheaded and am naturally skeptical. Is that clear?

I have an economics degree so I am fully capable of thinking for myself on these matters. This economy needs some Keynesian solutions. My main concern is that military spending and other federal government programs I support may be decreased in the future because of an unsustainable debt.

906 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 10:03:42am

LGF readers who apparently agree with Don McLeroy that pro-evolution parents are "monsters:"

goforbroke, Hoover, jelberg, sadatoni, snapped shot

907 pjaicomo  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 10:50:00am

I really don't understand this whole anti-evolution thing. Even if evolution was a monumental scheme, creationism is not and definitionally can never be science.

ps Thomas Moore Law Center is fighting several anti-gay battles nationwide. One is here in Gainesville.

pps Yesterday I was driving home and there were a handful of troofers protesting on a corner of the University of Florida. What is the point?

908 Basho  Sat, Mar 21, 2009 11:01:52am

re: #906 Charles

LGF readers who apparently agree with Don McLeroy that pro-evolution parents are "monsters:"

goforbroke, Hoover, jelberg, sadatoni, snapped shot

Maybe they define monster in the cute Sesame Street sense... Grover FTW!

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