Nirthers Never Go Away, They Just Get Crazier

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In a video we posted last month, Rep. Trent Franks (R-Arizona) was the only Republican politician who went on record with an unequivocal denunciation of the mindless “Birther” movement.

Well, looks like Franks may now be joining the kookspiracy.

The other main issue dealt with numerous speakers questioning Obama’s birth certificate and why there wasn’t an investigation into whether he is a naturalized citizen. One woman said a newspaper announcement of his birth in Hawaii was not sufficient. Another asked how he could have a passport without a birth certificate.

Franks said there was not enough evidence that Obama is not an American citizen. He did say there was a lot of conflicting evidence of Obama’s citizenship and that he was considering filing a lawsuit, the only congressman to do so. Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.

The GOP is being held hostage by its own lunatic base. David Weigel links to another article with a comment from someone who was at the meeting, claiming that Franks was hounded by no fewer than nine Birther fanatics.

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567 comments
1 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:18am

Poor man. And the questions are nonsensical.

These people need mental health help. Or maybe just some simple reasoning help.

2 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:20:05am

Sometimes fringe adds and sometimes it detracts.

Lose the fringe on this one.

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:18am

Place your bets. Pick your number.

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:31am

*bangs head on desk* Make the stupid go away…

5 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:36am

re: #1 Dianna

Poor man. And the questions are nonsensical.

These people need mental health help. Or maybe just some simple reasoning help.

You’ve never been to Kingman, have you? I would guess those are the reasonable ones.

6 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:39am

Congressman Franks, please stand up to these kooks.

7 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:22:40am

The Stoopid it BUURRRNNNSSS!

8 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:23:37am

I wonder how many of those nirthers live in his district, versus how many are traveling kooks?

9 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:24:09am

God help this country if these are the morons with political influence!

10 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:43am

My suggestion for how to conduct a GOP town hall: Announce at the beginning that you will not entertain any questions whatsoever regarding the birth certificate. When a nirther crackpot inevitably gets the microphone, have the individual promptly removed from the event. Repeat as necessary.

11 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:57am

9 Trillion dollars in the red, a healthcare bill that looks like it might go Nuclear and this is what I get ?

Thanks, really.

12 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:26:55am

re: #9 Sharmuta

God help this country if these are the morons with political influence!

As opposed to other morons with political influence?

Or in addition to?

/

There’s never been a shortage of morons with political influence, depending on how you define “moron”.

13 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:27:11am

Well I don’t know Charles - Killgore first reported this in the DT today, citing the Hufffpoo for his evidence; my response is that we used to not consider the Huffpoo as a “reliable” news link and frankly I’m not so sure about
The Mojave Daily News nor the kingmandailyminer.
Since he’s on video as saying Obama has a birth certificate, maybe he’s just trying once and for all (we should all live so long) to throw the ‘nirthers off their feet and onto something constructive to criticize about Obama and his administration.

14 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:27:13am

Funny how the articles differ in their descriptions of the same gathering.

A big, boisterous crowd largely supported an Arizona Congressman, who lambasted the Democratic president and his policies

and then we have

Unlike town halls held in other parts of the country, residents at Saturday’s event calmly lined up to ask their questions, without yelling or shouting at each other or Franks.

15 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:27:35am

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

16 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:28:06am

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?

17 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:28:16am

Until the GOP can act like adults, they will continue to be irrelevant.

18 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:04am

re: #17 idioma

Until the GOP can act like adults, they will continue to be irrelevant.


Huh, why are you giving the DEMs a pass on that - cause they WON? Is that your definition of “adults”?

19 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:21am

re: #5 Desert Dog

You’ve never been to Kingman, have you? I would guess those are the reasonable ones.

No, no, I haven’t visited Kingman. Dear me!

20 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:35am

re: #16 Ben Hur

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?

A passing elephant seal just happened to regurgitate the passport on its way down the Hudson.

/

21 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:42am

re: #13 realwest

Well I don’t know Charles - Killgore first reported this in the DT today, citing the Hufffpoo for his evidence; my response is that we used to not consider the Huffpoo as a “reliable” news link and frankly I’m not so sure about
The Mojave Daily News nor the kingmandailyminer.
Since he’s on video as saying Obama has a birth certificate, maybe he’s just trying once and for all (we should all live so long) to throw the ‘nirthers off their feet and onto something constructive to criticize about Obama and his administration.

Maybe, but most likely its just simple cowardice. A congressman whose base stays home in an off-year election is an ex-congressman. The crazy part of the base told him to throw them some red meat, so he threw the truth under the bus and then threw them the meat.

22 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:30:40am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

Perhaps it’s not the message, it’s the messenger? :-) Just saying…you know…that perhaps some people may doubt your sincerity in this matter?

23 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:30:52am

re: #17 idioma

Until the GOP can act like adults, they will continue to be irrelevant.

not to the MSM…this is the face of the GOP

24 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:02am

It’s deja vu all over again.

Four Tennessee state representatives, all Republicans, have signed up to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit against President Barack Obama, aimed at forcing him to prove he is a United States citizen by coughing up his birth certificate.

Let me just say what all the world is now thinking, including their fellow Republicans on the Hill: This is dumber than a box of rocks.

Tennessee Reps. Eric Swafford, Stacey Campfield, Glen Casada and Frank Nicely now have a giant “G” on their foreheads for “Gullible.” The four were so willing to drink the craziest flavor of Kool-Aid, they’ve gotten themselves caught up in a national urban legend that has been thoroughly debunked.

25 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:25am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Well y’all could be correct, but somehow I think my interpretation is more likely.

26 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:28am

re: #13 realwest

Well I don’t know Charles - Killgore first reported this in the DT today, citing the Hufffpoo for his evidence; my response is that we used to not consider the Huffpoo as a “reliable” news link and frankly I’m not so sure about
The Mojave Daily News nor the kingmandailyminer.
Since he’s on video as saying Obama has a birth certificate, maybe he’s just trying once and for all (we should all live so long) to throw the ‘nirthers off their feet and onto something constructive to criticize about Obama and his administration.

It was also on Politico.

27 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:35am

Well I’m outta here y’all- have a great day and I hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.

28 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:47am

re: #9 Sharmuta

God help this country if these are the morons with political influence!

The moveons took over the (D) party the nirthers and creationist are taking the (R)s.

WTF happened?

I have a theory. All the sane people, both right and left tend to family, jobs etc… voting but not taking much of notice of the background political noise. Now the background noise has become the foreground and it’s almost to damn late.

29 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:49am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but most likely its just simple cowardice. A congressman whose base stays home in an off-year election is an ex-congressman. The crazy part of the base told him to throw them some red meat, so he threw the truth under the bus and then threw them the meat.

If Nirthing is the main concern of the Republicans, then the party I have belonged to since I was 18 is screwed…we don’t deserve to have the reins of power.

30 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:50am

I learned yesterday that you can’t believe anything anyone tells you ever, as long as you can find something to contradict it on teh Interwebs.

I declare all reality suspect.

/

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:53am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

Sarah Palin’s facebook page has thousands of followers. So I say to you, Cato: Nyah, Nyah, Na. Nyah, Nyah!

/kidding

32 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:56am

re: #16 Ben Hur

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?

He was spawned in the bowels of hell.

33 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:32:34am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

I have twice posted this on my FB - I’m thinking some peeps might have me “hidden” (though I can’t imagine why! I hardly post anything). I’ll try it again.

34 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:33:25am

re: #26 Cannadian Club Akbar Woops hadda come back for my buddy Canadian Club Akbar - where did Politico get the story?
And how does that change my part of #13 that says:
“Since he’s on video as saying Obama has a birth certificate, maybe he’s just trying once and for all (we should all live so long) to throw the ‘nirthers off their feet and onto something constructive to criticize about Obama and his administration.”?

36 gregb  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:33:49am

I think with all conspiracies, once you go on record as denouncing it, you get pummeled with with a confederacy of dunces faster than truth can get it’s boots on.

37 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:13am

re: #19 Dianna

No, no, I haven’t visited Kingman. Dear me!

It is best visited at 75 mph (or faster) on I-40, at night. But, if you are heading to California or Las Vegas, gas up there, it’s cheaper than California or Nevada. There is a really nice Rest Area outside of the town, so you do not even need to stop in Kingman for a potty break if you don’t have too.

38 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:20am

re: #28 jcm

The moveons took over the (D) party the nirthers and creationist are taking the (R)s.

WTF happened?

I have a theory. All the sane people, both right and left tend to family, jobs etc… voting but not taking much of notice of the background political noise. Now the background noise has become the foreground and it’s almost to damn late.

I think you’re on to something. Rational people may be staying at home because they’re not interested in supporting the circus.

39 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:31am

Idiots.

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:52am

re: #34 realwest

Saw it just before this thread was up. Literally 2 minutes before, so I didn’t look into it, RW.

41 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:58am

Well y’all it’s been fun, sorta, today but I gotta go now. Hope you all have a nice day and that I get the chance to see y’all down the road.

42 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:59am

re: #18 realwest

Huh, why are you giving the DEMs a pass on that - cause they WON? Is that your definition of “adults”?

I’m no fan of the Democrats. But the GOP got in bed with fundamentalist, and cannot wash their hands of them. Now their “base” is bringing guns to demonstrations and shouting conspiracy nonsense at townhalls. I don’t consider such behavior to be very mature. I certainly don’t think that such behavior warrants an equal voice in debating policy.

43 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:01am

Meh. The GOP is so last millennium.

44 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:14am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Somebody make the Bad Craziness stop!

I’m sorry; Elvis has left the building. From all appearances, to be given media attention you must be (a) nuts (b) barking mad or (c) a white girl dead under mysterious circumstances.

No sane adults need apply.

45 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:26am

re: #41 realwest

Well y’all it’s been fun, sorta, today but I gotta go now. Hope you all have a nice day and that I get the chance to see y’all down the road.

Have a good day, RW.

46 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #16 Ben Hur

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?

They also found one of the stewardess’ hands still tied together, but not a shred of the black boxes.

47 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:58am

re: #33 reine.de.tout

I have twice posted this on my FB - I’m thinking some peeps might have me “hidden” (though I can’t imagine why! I hardly post anything). I’ll try it again.

It’s really hard to get a FB group off the ground unless you have hundreds of friends who have hundreds of friends, IMO. I joined the group supporting the CEO of Whole Foods, who is being demonized by crazy lefties for opposing the president’s health care plan. The only reason I knew about it is because the founder appeared on Greta van Susteren against some lunatic who kept screaming that 60 Americans die each day because of lack of health care. (I didn’t see it; I read the transcript and I am quite sure he was screaming.) The group still has fewer than 4,000 members, even though the founder appeared on national television.

48 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:36:13am

re: #42 idioma

I’m no fan of the Democrats. But the GOP got in bed with fundamentalist, and cannot wash their hands of them. Now their “base” is bringing guns to demonstrations and shouting conspiracy nonsense at townhalls. I don’t consider such behavior to be very mature. I certainly don’t think that such behavior warrants an equal voice in debating policy.

nirthers = fundies = guns?

49 Danny  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:00am

re: #42 idioma

I’m no fan of the Democrats. But the GOP got in bed with fundamentalist, and cannot wash their hands of them. Now their “base” is bringing guns to demonstrations and shouting conspiracy nonsense at townhalls. I don’t consider such behavior to be very mature. I certainly don’t think that such behavior warrants an equal voice in debating policy.

Equal to what?

50 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:03am

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Somebody make the Bad Craziness stop!

Please! Please!

I’m summarizing no-hopers today, and I need some sanity!

51 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #28 jcm

The moveons took over the (D) party the nirthers and creationist are taking the (R)s.

WTF happened?

I have a theory. All the sane people, both right and left tend to family, jobs etc… voting but not taking much of notice of the background political noise. Now the background noise has become the foreground and it’s almost to damn late.

govt is inherently selfish and corrupt…this is what happens when you take your eye off the ball…money and dirt drive elections and govt becomes an enterprise of special interest and job security…only a fraction of the people that can, vote…govt knows this…it’s a shell game, a business…serving the best interests of the country is not the prime motivator here

52 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:30am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Idiots.

Yep.

53 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:36am

re: #16 Ben Hur

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?


Roaches are not born, they hatch.

54 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:39:42am

re: #50 Dianna

Please! Please!

I’m summarizing no-hopers today, and I need some sanity!

You’ve come to the right place.
LGF is an island of sanity in a universe of craziness.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:04am

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

56 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:12am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

I would join but I don’t do facebook.

57 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:29am

re: #53 VioletTiger

Roaches are not born, they hatch.


So do shitbirds, and that’s what Atta was.

58 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #50 Dianna

Please! Please!

I’m summarizing no-hopers today, and I need some sanity!

Dianna,

The sun will appear to set this evening, and rise tomorrow. Solar activity will continue to be a point of discussion.

Rain will continue to fall on both the just and the unjust. This is however merely weather, not climate change.

The rhythyms of the Universe will remain unchanged.

/om

59 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:41:08am

re: #55 Charles

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

That is a totally inappropriate venue for a public meeting that is supposed to be for all constituents.

60 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #37 Desert Dog

I drove through there on my way to the Grand Canyon. It’s a pit stop at best from what I can tell.

But remember - the crazy is everywhere. After all, the crazy is strong in NYC with more than its fair share of troofers.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:42:42am

re: #55 Charles

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

Great. Nirtherism, creationism, and shredding the Bill of Rights all in one place. I’m surprised the room didn’t turning a black hole of stupidity.

62 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:43:42am

re: #55 Charles

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

I wonder if they were asked to preach for or against the Obamacare.

63 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:44:08am

Well, this nirther nonsense makes me depressed as hell.

At least there’s good new out of Afghanistan:

Afghan conflict serious, ‘deteriorating’-Mullen

Afghan challenger says election “widely rigged”


And, the econony is looking up too:

The risk of a double-dip recession is rising

Budget Pain Spreads to Energy-Rich States

Of course, there is no single issue as vital to the USA as seeing Obama’s birth certificate.

64 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:25am

At the Orlando tea party this weekend:

1) an Alex Jones fan with an Obama joker sign raving about an international banker conspiracy: [Link: www.flickr.com…]

2) Obama as Hitler: [Link: www.flickr.com…]

65 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:51am

re: #55 Charles

Assemblies of God are theocrats?

I think that will come as a great surprise to many parishioners.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:51am

re: #38 Sharmuta

I think you’re on to something. Rational people may be staying at home because they’re not interested in supporting the circus.

I knew a lot of people, myself included, who didn’t go to the anti-war rallies in 2003 and subsequently, for just that reason.

67 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:47:13am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew a lot of people, myself included, who didn’t go to the anti-war rallies in 2003 and subsequently, for just that reason.

Quite a few of us decided against the tea parties for the same reason.

68 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:09am

re: #1 Dianna

Poor man. And the questions are nonsensical.

These people need mental health help. Or maybe just some simple reasoning help.

They are politicians. Does that answer your question?

69 Baier  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:23am

No matter how much evidence is produced I know he was not born in the United States. Obama is from the planet Arugula and he is here to socialize health care, no matter what the cost, to make us more healthy and tasty for the upcoming harvest.

70 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:45am

re: #67 Sharmuta

Quite a few of us decided against the tea parties for the same reason.

I’m one of those people. I gave up on such events in my state of Illinois when one of them invited Alan Keyes to speak. Any organizer who invite that man are holding events I don’t want to be at.

71 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew a lot of people, myself included, who didn’t go to the anti-war rallies in 2003 and subsequently, for just that reason.

I never attended any, but for a different reason. Although, I will go to the next Tea Party “event” here in AZ, if they have one. I want to see with my own two green eyes what the deal is. I will be sure and bring the video cam and the Nikon.

72 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #68 Walter L. Newton

They are politicians. Does that answer your question?

The people asking questions were not politicians.

73 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #71 Desert Dog

Good for you. I fear too many times things are recorded by people with a definite agenda.

74 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:51:46am

re: #71 Desert Dog

I never attended any, but for a different reason. Although, I will go to the next Tea Party “event” here in AZ, if they have one. I want to see with my own two green eyes what the deal is. I will be sure and bring the video cam and the Nikon.

That’s fair enough. Freak shows can be fun to watch, as long as you keep your distance from the freaks.

75 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #73 Dianna

Good for you. I fear too many times things are recorded by people with a definite agenda.

I will try and “pull a Yon” and let the truth fall where it may.

76 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:52:36am

re: #72 Dianna

The people asking questions were not politicians.

Sorry, misunderstood your question. Ok, mental.

77 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:53:33am
78 Coracle  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:53:59am

The Birthers in Congress

Salon has here in its (virtual) hand a list of 17 names of members of Congress who have either expressed support for, or refused to oppose, the idea that America has a foreign president problem. You’d be surprised how hard it is to get a member of Congress to say that Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen with the right to be president. Or maybe you wouldn’t. Meet the Birthers on the
79 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:54:08am

re: #55 Charles

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

Was it part of a service?

80 Coracle  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:54:32am
… Meet the Birthers on the Hill

PMF

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:54:58am
Another asked how he could have a passport without a birth certificate.

These people well nigh define the term … idiots.

82 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:55:02am

re: #59 doppelganglander

That is a totally inappropriate venue for a public meeting that is supposed to be for all constituents.

Churches are used as polling places for elections. Was this meeting exclusionary?

83 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:55:21am

When I said “circus” above, I meant the whole of political theater, and it seems political theater is what happens in DC every day. While this may or may not be true DC is a daily circus, it is the perception of the people and some just tune out all of it. Sadly- this just gives the kooks from various factions more stage on which to preform and the politicians dance to strange music even more, alienating more and more rational people. It’s like a vicious cycle and imo it’s the very reason why our Founders warned against special interests.

84 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:55:46am
The GOP is being held hostage by its own lunatic base. David Weigel links to another article with a comment from someone who was at the meeting, claiming that Franks was hounded by no fewer than nine Birther fanatics.

That’s a minyan in nirtherville.

85 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:56:51am

re: #82 MandyManners

Churches are used as polling places for elections. Was this meeting exclusionary?

Churches are used as meeting places, polling places here in AZ. I attended some meetings and voted in Colorado at churches as well. They are open to the public.

86 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:57:31am

re: #80 Coracle

Meet the Birthers on the Hill

Day after day
In mobs on the hill
The crazer birthers are spewing swill
And nobody wants to know them
They can tell they are just a fool
But they keep on shouting
Those birthers on the hill

/Apologies to John Lennon

87 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:57:56am

re: #86 Kosh’s Shadow

Day after day
In mobs on the hill
The crazer birthers are spewing swill
And nobody wants to know them
They can tell they are just a fool
But they keep on shouting
Those birthers on the hill

/Apologies to John Lennon

very good, Kosh!

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:12am

re: #78 Coracle

The Birthers in Congress

Very clever of Salon. Notice that the wording of that paragraph was a deliberate echo of a famous declaration by an infamous cheesehead senator.

89 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:20am

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

These people well nigh define the term … idiots.

re: #82 MandyManners

Churches are used as polling places for elections. Was this meeting exclusionary?

That is a public service to the community and not a partisan activity.

90 Coracle  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:47am

re: #86 Kosh’s Shadow

Is there a technical name for political Filk? Pflik (with a silent P)?

91 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:57am

re: #85 Desert Dog

Churches are used as meeting places, polling places here in AZ. I attended some meetings and voted in Colorado at churches as well. They are open to the public.

When does that church hold its services? Sundays or Saturdays?

92 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #90 Coracle

Is there a technical name for political Filk? Pflik (with a silent P)?

It would have to be named for Buzzsawmonkey.

93 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:59:41am

re: #63 Desert Dog

The Afgan situation is a bugger.

If it’s bad, it’s been going bad for a long time.

If there was ever a place that needed to be destroyed in order to save it (old Vietname cliche for you younger lizards), I suspect this would be it.

And what would Obama do?

(I mean besides blaming it on Bush)

94 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:59:51am

re: #83 Sharmuta

When I said “circus” above, I meant the whole of political theater, and it seems political theater is what happens in DC every day. While this may or may not be true DC is a daily circus, it is the perception of the people and some just tune out all of it. Sadly- this just gives the kooks from various factions more stage on which to preform and the politicians dance to strange music even more, alienating more and more rational people. It’s like a vicious cycle and imo it’s the very reason why our Founders warned against special interests.

You’re right, very right. For a matter of fact, I dubbed it “Cirque De Obama” (tm) last week here on LGF.

95 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:00:19am

re: #91 MandyManners

When does that church hold its services? Sundays or Saturdays?

I have no idea. I would guess Sundays

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:00:26am

re: #89 jcm

That is a public service to the community and not a partisan activity.

heh, I assume you got two comments mixed up, and didn’t mean to say that being an idiot is a public service to the community.

/ … whotta thread that’d make! … :D

97 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #91 MandyManners

When does that church hold its services? Sundays or Saturdays?


Here’s their website:

Kingman First Assembly

98 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:02:34am

re: #82 MandyManners

Churches are used as polling places for elections. Was this meeting exclusionary?

I’m sure it wasn’t, but I don’t think it would feel very welcoming to people who aren’t comfortable in a church. Maybe it’s an excess of caution, but when the GOP is associated, rightly or wrongly, with Christian fundamentalism, it seems to me a better approach to hold meetings in a neutral place like a school.

99 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:03:10am

Speaking of kooks: Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers

Glenn Beck returns to Fox News Channel on Monday after a vacation with fewer companies willing to advertise on his show than when he left, part of the fallout from calling President Barack Obama a racist.

A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc., CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck’s show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That’s more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago.

Most of this we already know but this is starting to snow ball:

While it’s unclear what effect, if any, this will ultimately have on Fox and Beck, it is already making advertisers skittish about hawking their wares within the most opinionated cable TV shows.

The Clorox Co., a former Beck advertiser, now says that “we do not want to be associated with inflammatory speech used by either liberal or conservative talk show hosts.” The maker of bleach and household cleaners said in a statement that it has decided not to advertise on political talk shows.

I wonder how many other companies are starting to think along these lines. More:

The shows present a dilemma for advertisers, who usually like a “safe” environment for their messages. The Olbermanns, Hannitys, O’Reillys, Maddows and Becks of the TV world are more likely to say something that will anger a viewer, who might take it out on sponsors.

“This is a good illustration of that conundrum,” said Rich Hallabran, spokesman for UPS Stores, which he said has temporarily halted buying ads on Fox News Channel as a whole.

The plot thickens.

100 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:04:53am

new VDH…
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]

101 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:03am

Meanwhile, Hugo Chavez breaks up a peaceful opposition rally with so much tear gas that it floods the subway system sickening many. Photos here.

102 lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:18am

A 74-year old Democrat State Senator from NC channeled his inner Harry Callahan last night.
Good for him.
Ooops, someone picked the wrong house to rob…

103 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:22am

re: #99 Sharmuta

Speaking of kooks: Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers

The plot thickens.

So, have advertisers pulled out of Oprah’s show because she’s made anti-Israel statements? Or is it just right-loony-wing shows that are getting hurt?

104 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:30am

re: #93 itellu3times

The Afgan situation is a bugger.

If it’s bad, it’s been going bad for a long time.

If there was ever a place that needed to be destroyed in order to save it (old Vietname cliche for you younger lizards), I suspect this would be it.

And what would Obama do?

(I mean besides blaming it on Bush)

The problem is that place HAS been destroyed! Bush did a poor job there in many ways. Let’s see if Obama can improve the situation. I am hoping he does, but, I am betting he won’t.

105 Ghost of a Dopefish  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:32am

Ugh. Pass the cluebat, please. Mondays are NOT the days I need to be dealing with this.

106 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:38am
107 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:47am

Whot th’ hell?!
The new comments button had a (1) in it.
I clicked … and the (1) went away.
Stinky must be on the ball this AM.

108 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:52am

re: #95 Desert Dog

I have no idea. I would guess Sundays

Some denominations meet on Saturdays.

109 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:06:20am

re: #97 Desert Dog

Here’s their website:

Kingman First Assembly

Thanks!

They seem to meet on Sundays.

110 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:06:48am

In a knock down between Panetta and Holder, I’ll take Panetta any day, which shows you how far gone and fubar’d this administration has become…
[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

111 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:10am

re: #103 Kosh’s Shadow

So, have advertisers pulled out of Oprah’s show because she’s made anti-Israel statements? Or is it just right-loony-wing shows that are getting hurt?

Perhaps right wing groups are too busy looking into the nirth certifikut to start a grass roots effort to support Israel. Priorities, you know.

112 Ghost of a Dopefish  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:15am

re: #107 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Whot th’ hell?!
The new comments button had a (1) in it.
I clicked … and the (1) went away.
Stinky must be on the ball this AM.

It’s been doing that for a while. I’ve been in Spy mode for most of my LGF time, so I can’t tell you when that change was made.

113 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:16am
114 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:19am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I have an idea to propose. Take an Afghan valley that is pro-Taliban and evacuate all civilians from it. After that, hit the valley with a small cobalt-clad nuke, thus rendering it uninhabitable. A warning to the rest of the country that we will not permit their territory to be a terrorist haven.

Does that idea hold any promise, or am I going way overboard?

yes

115 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:30am

re: #102 lincolntf

A 74-year old Democrat State Senator from NC channeled his inner Harry Callahan last night.
Good for him.
Ooops, someone picked the wrong house to rob…

Interesting. Bet there is more to the story there.

116 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:39am

re: #98 doppelganglander

I’m sure it wasn’t, but I don’t think it would feel very welcoming to people who aren’t comfortable in a church. Maybe it’s an excess of caution, but when the GOP is associated, rightly or wrongly, with Christian fundamentalism, it seems to me a better approach to hold meetings in a neutral place like a school.

I agree. Now, were schools busy? Do they charge for people to meet in their schools? Do they forbid political meetings?

117 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:43am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Way overboard I think.

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:08:44am

re: #99 Sharmuta

Speaking of kooks: Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers

The plot thickens.

I’m happy that Sprint, the company I work for, is no longer advertising on Glen Beck’s show. The man is bats-crazy and no reputable company should want anything to do with him.

119 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:08:48am

re: #99 Sharmuta

Speaking of kooks: Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers


The plot thickens.

Will those companies refuse to spend money on stations that mention ACORN?

120 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:08:56am

re: #109 MandyManners

Thanks!

They seem to meet on Sundays.

It looks like a mainline Protestant church. I even listened to one of the sermons. Jeremiah Wright would not be happy with it, but I am guessing the parishioners gained something from it.

121 lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #115 KenJen

I’m going with the “attempted home invasion” theory for now because there is no evidence that it’s anything else, but I share your suspicion. So often these things aren’t what they seem to be.

122 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:40am

re: #119 MandyManners

Mandy- the article says some companies are dropping political shows altogether.

123 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:41am

Latley I’ve had to hit -post this comment-several times before it goes through. Anyone else?

124 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:43am

re: #113 Desert Dog

re: #114 albusteve

re: #117 BlueCanuck

Way overboard it is then. Consider that idea sent to the scrapyard.

125 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:56am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Beyond overboard.

126 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:09:57am

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh, I assume you got two comments mixed up, and didn’t mean to say that being an idiot is a public service to the community.

/ … whotta thread that’d make! … :D

I started something to you, then got distracted, then came back and reply to MM…

Forgot what I was gonna’ say to you!

*Whack* self application of Mandy’s clue bat.

How you doing pBMb?

127 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:31am

re: #122 Sharmuta

Mandy- the article says some companies are dropping political shows altogether.

That’s insane.

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #123 KenJen

Latley I’ve had to hit -post this comment-several times before it goes through. Anyone else?

Me, usually twice.

129 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:40am

re: #113 Desert Dog

I vote overboard, but your plan up until the nuclear weapons bits was sounding good.

IIRC, the first part was what the Greek gov’t’s British advisers got the Greeks to do in fighting a Communist insurgency right after WWII. Removed the citizenry from the countryside, denying the guerillas a support base and the ability to blend in.

130 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:42am

re: #116 MandyManners

I agree. Now, were schools busy? Do they charge for people to meet in their schools? Do they forbid political meetings?

In my area, lots of start-up churches that don’t own their own buildings meet in schools. They pay a fee. I assume the same policy hold for political meetings. Other parts of the country may operate differently.

131 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:48am

re: #99 Sharmuta

Speaking of kooks: Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers

The plot thickens.

that’s good, really good, I can’t wait to see this happen on MSNBC.

132 Land Shark  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:11:06am

Oh no, not the stupid ass nirthers again! With so much that can be talked about , the persistence of this non story does nothing but hurt the credibility of anyone associated with this crap. And now they’re talking lawsuits? Talk about frivolous, pointless bullshit! There is no evidence whatsoever suggesting Obama was born outside the US! Hopefully the lawsuit will be quickly dismissed with prejudice. Give it up, you idiots! AAARRRGGGHHH!

133 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #130 doppelganglander

In my area, lots of start-up churches that don’t own their own buildings meet in schools. They pay a fee. I assume the same policy hold for political meetings. Other parts of the country may operate differently.

If they charge churches, I would hope that they charge other groups.

134 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:12:53am

re: #121 lincolntf

I’m going with the “attempted home invasion” theory for now because there is no evidence that it’s anything else, but I share your suspicion. So often these things aren’t what they seem to be.

Was the Senator or the Perp dressed in a French Maid’s outfit? Was there a slip and slide and a bucket of crisco anywhere near the scene of the crime. If this is a Republican, there has to be something weird going on.

135 cronus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:12:54am

To bad most Members of Congress are an irony free zone. Otherwise a clever Congressperson would reply: “and if the evidence you are asking for was in fact produced would you believe it?”

136 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:12:59am

re: #126 jcm

I started something to you, then got distracted, then came back and reply to MM…

Forgot what I was gonna’ say to you!

*Whack* self application of Mandy’s clue bat.

How you doing pBMb?

Doin’ very good, thank you.

Figured out why a prototype wasn’t working, which now throws the ball back into the engineer’s court.

137 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:13:15am

re: #116 MandyManners

I agree. Now, were schools busy? Do they charge for people to meet in their schools? Do they forbid political meetings?


I know of several churches which have ‘community rooms’ that you can use just for asking.
My African Violet club has held our annual show at one several times. We give tham a donation when we do this, but they do not require one.

138 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Charles, feel free to delete that comment. It was a bad idea, though it did not include killing any innocent people. Still a stupid and counterproductive suggestion.

139 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:13:59am
140 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #120 Desert Dog

It looks like a mainline Protestant church. I even listened to one of the sermons. Jeremiah Wright would not be happy with it, but I am guessing the parishioners gained something from it.

Assemblies of God are not considered mainline Protestant churches. They’re part of the Pentecostal movement of the early 20th century, whose distinguishing feature is a belief that the gifts seen in the book of Acts (prophesying, speaking in tongues, etc.) can be manifested in present-day believers. AG churches are also not known for having the best-educated clergy, as they have only one graduate-level theological seminary and have no minimum educational requirements for ordination.

141 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #137 VioletTiger

I know of several churches which have ‘community rooms’ that you can use just for asking.
My African Violet club has held our annual show at one several times. We give tham a donation when we do this, but they do not require one.

The photograph shows that the meeting was held in the sanctuary. I do have a problem with that.

142 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:15:42am

re: #134 Desert Dog

Was the Senator or the Perp dressed in a French Maid’s outfit? Was there a slip and slide and a bucket of crisco anywhere near the scene of the crime. If this is a Republican, there has to be something weird going on.

Nope, he’s a Dem.

143 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #136 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Doin’ very good, thank you.

Figured out why a prototype wasn’t working, which now throws the ball back into the engineer’s court.

Having fun at work. My boss got RIFed, no boss, no one has been assigned his signature authority in the systems so I have purchases, paychecks, projects stacking up waiting for someone, anyone to sign off.

144 lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #130 doppelganglander

From (second-hand) personal experience, the schools (in MA) are wicked tough to use for meetings. A Jewish guy I know was on the City Council for years up in Worcester and used to use the neighborhood Catholic Church for his meetings. The schools required too much effort. You need a janitor willing to work off-hours, you need to be responsible for everyone at the meeting not messing with the school, you need permission from everyone from the Principal to City Hall. Even for someone in Government the red-tape was daunting.
The Church just gave him the hall for a couple hours. I assume he made a donation in return for its use, but I doubt it was very expensive.

145 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:16:37am

re: #127 MandyManners

That’s insane.

If rational people themselves are getting cold feet about politics, why wouldn’t a company feel the same way and not want their product associated with either Beck or Olberman?

146 Ghost of a Dopefish  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:16:40am

re: #140 doppelganglander

I am (or was) a member of this particular denomination. The theology is what you would consider “right of center”; not terribly extreme, but definitely not what one would consider mainline. The problem I seem to be having is that increasingly large numbers of people from my denomination are registering dangerously high on the stupid meters.

147 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:16:47am

re: #129 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IIRC, the first part was what the Greek gov’t’s British advisers got the Greeks to do in fighting a Communist insurgency right after WWII. Removed the citizenry from the countryside, denying the guerillas a support base and the ability to blend in.

We tried that in Vietnam also. One result was to piss off the relocated people.

148 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:17:08am

re: #101 experiencedtraveller

Meanwhile, Hugo Chavez breaks up a peaceful opposition rally with so much tear gas that it floods the subway system sickening many. Photos here.

Wow, that ought to increase his popularity.

/

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:17:23am

re: #139 itellu3times

I am not aware that we are at war against valleys.

That suggestion was a stupid idea and I have withdrawn it. On rare occasions, one of my ideas is over-the-top and wrong. I have asked Charles to delete it. Please accept my apologies for posting.

150 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:17:28am

re: #140 doppelganglander

Assemblies of God are not considered mainline Protestant churches. They’re part of the Pentecostal movement of the early 20th century, whose distinguishing feature is a belief that the gifts seen in the book of Acts (prophesying, speaking in tongues, etc.) can be manifested in present-day believers. AG churches are also not known for having the best-educated clergy, as they have only one graduate-level theological seminary and have no minimum educational requirements for ordination.

You obliviously know way more than I do about this. There are charismatic churches from all divisions though, yes? My wife and I attend a Catholic Church (well, she does, I get dragged along), and I’ve seen some pretty odd stuff there as well. Faith healing, etc.

151 J.S.  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:18:07am

OT

A couple of days ago (maybe it’s been over a week?), there was an article in the National Post about Show Trials taking place in Iran…I wonder if any “news” outlets are keeping apprised of these so-called “trials”? What’s going on there?

152 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:18:40am

re: #132 Land Shark

Oh no, not the stupid ass nirthers again! With so much that can be talked about , the persistence of this non story does nothing but hurt the credibility of anyone associated with this crap. And now they’re talking lawsuits? Talk about frivolous, pointless bullshit! There is no evidence whatsoever suggesting Obama was born outside the US! Hopefully the lawsuit will be quickly dismissed with prejudice. Give it up, you idiots! AAARRRGGGHHH!

they won’t, why would they?…it’s the new chic and gaining steam…Team GOP has no coach, the leaderless players are a bunch of unruly prima donnas looking to get their face on TV, meanwhile missing the point altogether…it’s a sad commentary on the responsibility of so called conservative voters

153 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:18:52am

re: #143 jcm

Having fun at work. My boss got RIFed, no boss, no one has been assigned his signature authority in the systems so I have purchases, paychecks, projects stacking up waiting for someone, anyone to sign off.

Sounds like Management hit upon a good cost-cutting method.

/ of course, I could encourage you with a hearty “forge ahead!”

154 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:19:13am

Hey, wait a minute!…I recognize the woman pictured in the Kingman Daily Miner article (linked above)

Kay Murphy, a former preschool teacher, speaks to Congressman Franks as Franks’ field representative, Shari Farrington, holds the microphone.

Here she is from my report on a small nirther protest in L.A.

She a complete kook. Here’s a video I made of her craziness:

155 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:19:14am

re: #145 Sharmuta

If rational people themselves are getting cold feet about politics, why wouldn’t a company feel the same way and not want their product associated with either Beck or Olberman?

Did any company boycott Olbermann?

156 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:19:37am
157 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:19:37am

re: #147 Son of the Black Dog

We tried that in Vietnam also. One result was to piss off the relocated people.

It worked for the British in Mayala. Relocating the Chinese villagers supporting the insurgency to fortified “New Villages” was key step in breaking the insurgency.

158 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:20:48am

re: #155 MandyManners

Did any company boycott Olbermann?

I doubt it, only because nobody watches him anyway.

159 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #154 Ringo the Gringo

Wow. Nice catch.

160 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:20:50am

re: #143 jcm

Having fun at work. My boss got RIFed, no boss, no one has been assigned his signature authority in the systems so I have purchases, paychecks, projects stacking up waiting for someone, anyone to sign off.

Workflow analyst, call workflow analyst. Oracle said this couldn’t ever happen.

161 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:20:57am

re: #141 MandyManners

The photograph shows that the meeting was held in the sanctuary. I do have a problem with that.


I missed that part…didn’t look very closely at the photo.
Agree, that’s very odd.

162 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:22:06am

Hi all! Phew…the brother and sister-in-law have ended their five day visit, and I finally have both my house and remote control back. (Actually like ‘em both a great deal, but as old Ben Franklin said…)

Forgive me if you guys have all already seen this, but I love the open to this story:

Colorado Springs police may sell seized firearms

Reporting from Colorado Springs, Colo. - This conservative city is taking an unusual, some might say extreme, step to try to stem its fiscal woes: It’s entering the gun business.

Wow, this story’s sure gonna be unbiased!! Wonder where it came from.

Oh, the L.A. Times!

Never mind.

163 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:22:14am

Coffee. I need coffee.

Ringo, does this indicate that we now have travelling swarms of nirthers?

164 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #146 thedopefishlives

I am (or was) a member of this particular denomination. The theology is what you would consider “right of center”; not terribly extreme, but definitely not what one would consider mainline. The problem I seem to be having is that increasingly large numbers of people from my denomination are registering dangerously high on the stupid meters.

I have a number of AG friends. Aside from the gifts of the spirit, which are a little off-putting for non-Pentecostals, there’s nothing taught that you wouldn’t hear in a Baptist or independent evangelical church. I have noticed, however, that the average AG member tends to be less educated and is less likely to work in a white-collar job. No offense, but I’m not surprised to see wing-nuttiness emerge in a denomination where there’s a premium placed on the emotional experience of faith, rather than theological analysis.

165 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:22:36am

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sounds like Management hit upon a good cost-cutting method.

/ of course, I could encourage you with a hearty “forge ahead!”

I’m pretty much on my own any way, being a R&D and test facility I wear a lot of different hats and support several groups with hardware and lab work. Right now I’m going to head down and decap a bunch of parts for failure analysis.

166 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:23:15am

re: #154 Ringo the Gringo

Hey, wait a minute!…I recognize the woman pictured in the Kingman Daily Miner article (linked above)

Here she is from my report on a small nirther protest in L.A.

She a complete kook. Here’s a video I made of her craziness:

[Video]

Well, there’s an answer to my #8 asking about traveling kooks.

167 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:23:20am

re: #155 MandyManners

Did any company boycott Olbermann?

Well. You realize that that’s different.

168 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:23:24am

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

Workflow analyst, call workflow analyst. Oracle said this couldn’t ever happen.

Our Oracle DBAs know just enough, to be very, very dangerous.

169 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:23:52am

re: #163 Dianna

Coffee. I need coffee.

Ringo, does this indicate that we now have travelling swarms of nirthers?

I thought we agreed that nirthers flocked? :)

170 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:24:37am

re: #99 Sharmuta

…according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks

Shouldn’t that group be called ColorlessChange.org and promote political action among all if we’re in a post-racial society?

171 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:24:43am

re: #150 Desert Dog

You obliviously know way more than I do about this. There are charismatic churches from all divisions though, yes? My wife and I attend a Catholic Church (well, she does, I get dragged along), and I’ve seen some pretty odd stuff there as well. Faith healing, etc.

Yes, a lot of denominations have charismatic services. I went to an Episcopal charismatic mass once. I was brought up in the Catholic Church, and it seemed to me like Catholicism on acid.

172 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #155 MandyManners

Did any company boycott Olbermann?

Clorox said they are no longer advertising on any political show, so yes. Olberman is getting hit by this too.

173 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:24:55am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Wow. Nice catch.

I filmed her not far from my house…I sure hope she lives in Arizona, and not in my neighborhood

174 Ghost of a Dopefish  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:03am

re: #164 doppelganglander

It is true, and it’s also true that AG tends to be strongest in more rural farm areas, where many people don’t care to educate themselves, either in general or on current events in particular. All of which contributes to an abnormally high proportion of The Stupid (tm).

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:07am

re: #168 jcm

Our Oracle DBAs know just enough, to be very, very dangerous.

Funny, I just assumed you used Oracle Workflow. There are other work flow products and systems out there. Workflow is a nightmare. I know.

(why do I know so much and still can’t get an IT job after 5 years?)

176 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:15am

re: #169 experiencedtraveller

I thought we agreed that nirthers flocked? :)

Nah, with an idea that bad it has to be swarm. Like a swarm of locusts…

/they’re destroying the fertile crops of the right

177 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:43am

re: #169 experiencedtraveller

I thought we agreed that nirthers flocked? :)

That’s insulting to birds ;)

178 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #165 jcm

I’m pretty much on my own any way, being a R&D and test facility I wear a lot of different hats and support several groups with hardware and lab work. Right now I’m going to head down and decap a bunch of parts for failure analysis.

Seems I’ve got a cold chisel back in the shop.
Want me to FedEx it to you?
/vent frustrations as you work … :D

179 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:26:51am

re: #165 jcm

I’m pretty much on my own any way, being a R&D and test facility I wear a lot of different hats and support several groups with hardware and lab work. Right now I’m going to head down and decap a bunch of parts for failure analysis.

Looking for cold solder joints and stuff like that?

180 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:27:17am

re: #173 Ringo the Gringo

I filmed her not far from my house…I sure hope she lives in Arizona, and not in my neighborhood

Her twin sister lives in your ‘hood…the evil twin.

181 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:27:22am

re: #170 CommonCents

I didn’t link the story as a sign of support for that group, so I’m not going to defend them. My point in linking that article was to show this boycott is having a snowball effect. Advertisers are now pulling from entire networks and genres.

182 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Looking for cold solder joints and stuff like that?

He’s in a chip house.

183 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:28:01am

re: #173 Ringo the Gringo

I filmed her not far from my house…I sure hope she lives in Arizona, and not in my neighborhood

Are you sure that’s her? All those white people look alike, you know.

184 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:28:05am

re: #145 Sharmuta

If rational people themselves are getting cold feet about politics, why wouldn’t a company feel the same way and not want their product associated with either Beck or Olberman?

It all gets so tangled. There are boycotts and then there are boycotts of the boycotters. I would be leery of advertising on political shows; it’s a real gamble. When it’s so charged, people are offended and business bleeds. Or blossoms.

It will be interesting to see how the Whole Foods thing turns out. Andrew Breitbart has a new opinion piece urging people to stand up against those who are on the wrong side of history (Mrs. Pelosi and the Whole Foods boycotters), and to “buy organic garlic, herb fresh goat cheese and three-bean salad with quinoa at your local Whole Foods store.”

185 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:28:07am

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Funny, I just assumed you used Oracle Workflow. There are other work flow products and systems out there. Workflow is a nightmare. I know.

(why do I know so much and still can’t get an IT job after 5 years?)

Because other countries have peeps who will do the work for $5k/yr?

/not kidding

186 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:28:34am

re: #182 pre-Boomer Marine brat

He’s in a chip house.

Could still have bonding issues.

187 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:28:41am

re: #181 Sharmuta

I didn’t link the story as a sign of support for that group, so I’m not going to defend them. My point in linking that article was to show this boycott is having a snowball effect. Advertisers are now pulling from entire networks and genres.

That wasn’t meant as a smack on you at all. I just find it hypocritacally humorous.

188 jill e  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:29:36am

“My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you’re ugly too.” — Rodney Dangerfield

189 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:29:55am

re: #173 Ringo the Gringo

I filmed her not far from my house…I sure hope she lives in Arizona, and not in my neighborhood

If she doesn’t live in Franks’ district, the local media in Arizona might be interested to know about it. I dislike activists of any stripe dominating meetings that are intended for constituents when they do not live in the district. It gives a false picture of how the residents really feel.

190 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:31:04am

re: #187 CommonCents

…hypocritacally humorous.

Spellcheck is for sissies.

191 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:31:22am

re: #189 doppelganglander

If she doesn’t live in Franks’ district, the local media in Arizona might be interested to know about it. I dislike activists of any stripe dominating meetings that are intended for constituents when they do not live in the district. It gives a false picture of how the residents really feel.

“Have Psychosis Will Travel”.

192 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:31:45am

re: #184 Silvergirl

It all gets so tangled. There are boycotts and then there are boycotts of the boycotters. I would be leery of advertising on political shows; it’s a real gamble. When it’s so charged, people are offended and business bleeds. Or blossoms.

It will be interesting to see how the Whole Foods thing turns out. Andrew Breitbart has a new opinion piece urging people to stand up against those who are on the wrong side of history (Mrs. Pelosi and the Whole Foods boycotters), and to “buy organic garlic, herb fresh goat cheese and three-bean salad with quinoa at your local Whole Foods store.”

I agree 100% on the political shows. If you advertise on Glen Beck, you get tainted with his muck. FoxNews will adjust their shows if the revenue starts slipping…for them, it’s all about the money.

Boycotts are usually a big waste of time. I am guessing with all the gnashing of teeth and complaining about Whole Foods from these burrheads, that Whole Foods business is actually UP.

193 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:31:59am

re: #190 CommonCents

Spellcheck is for sissies.

Ewe don’t kneed spell czech.

194 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:32:24am
195 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:32:29am

re: #188 jill e

“My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you’re ugly too.” — Rodney Dangerfield

Troy: What’s wrong with me?
Dr. Zaius: I think you’re crazy.
Troy: I want a second opinion.
Dr. Zaius: You’re also lazy.

Orangutans: Dr. Zaius! Dr. Zaius!
Dr. Zaius! Dr. Zaius!
Dr. Zaius! Dr. Zaius!
O, Dr. Zaius!
Orangutan 1: Dr. Zaius! Dr. Zaius!

196 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Too bad. The political shows need bleach if anything does—especially with the sons of bleaches they have.

They could pimp a new line of brain bleach.

197 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:12am

re: #186 Ward Cleaver

Could still have bonding issues.

Then he and his wife should see a marria … … uh … never mind.

He’s in test equipment engineering (IIRC, not “test engineering”) so I don’t know what type of devices/packaging he’s gonna get inside.

198 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #188 jill e

A woman is checking out at a supermarket. She removes a chicken, some celery, carrots and an onion from her basket. A drunk behind her says “you must be single, no kids.” She said, “wow, you can tell that from what I am buying?” The drunk says, “no, you’re fucking ugly.”

199 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #197 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Then he and his wife should see a marria … … uh … never mind.

He’s in test equipment engineering (IIRC, not “test engineering”) so I don’t know what type of devices/packaging he’s gonna get inside.

Ooooh, a surprise in every package. :)

200 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:52am

re: #188 jill e

“My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you’re ugly too.” — Rodney Dangerfield

When I was born the doctor took one look at my face … turned me over and said. Look … twins! — Rodeny Dangerfield

201 avanti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #16 Ben Hur

Screw the Birth Certificate.

I’d like to know how, after a huge fireball of jet engine fuel, and one of (if not the) the largest building collapses that vaporized everything, they just happened to find Mohammed Atta’s passport laying there on the ground, unscathed.

Has anyone found Atta’s birth certificate?!?

That’s because it’s not true:

“According to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. 1 2 The Guardian was skeptical: “the idea that Atta’s passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s crackdown on terrorism.” 3 Note the passport did not belong to Atta, as is commonly claimed.

Satam Al Suqami was supposedly on Flight 11, the plane that hit the North Tower. In that collision, the building’s core absorbed almost the entire airplane, which hit the northeast wall nearly dead center. “

202 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:34:20am

re: #192 Desert Dog

I agree 100% on the political shows. If you advertise on Glen Beck, you get tainted with his muck. FoxNews will adjust their shows if the revenue starts slipping…for them, it’s all about the money.

Boycotts are usually a big waste of time. I am guessing with all the gnashing of teeth and complaining about Whole Foods from these burrheads, that Whole Foods business is actually UP.

The moonbats going after Whole Food are particularly nasty. I think it’s because they looked at Whole Foods as being part of “their side” with its organic bent. To have its CEO come out against Obamacare probably strikes them as betrayal, though it is in fact nothing of the sort.

203 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Too bad. The political shows need bleach if anything does—especially with the sons of bleaches they have.

I found it ironic too.

204 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:34:48am

re: #193 Ward Cleaver

Ewe don’t kneed spell czech.

And it creates Pole-arising issues.

205 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:09am

re: #201 avanti

That’s because it’s not true:

“According to ABC News and the Associated Press, the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami was found a few blocks from the WTC. 1 2 The Guardian was skeptical: “the idea that Atta’s passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged [tests] the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI’s crackdown on terrorism.” 3 Note the passport did not belong to Atta, as is commonly claimed.

Satam Al Suqami was supposedly on Flight 11, the plane that hit the North Tower. In that collision, the building’s core absorbed almost the entire airplane, which hit the northeast wall nearly dead center. “

Well, all of that matters very little, because fire can’t melt steel.

/

206 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:12am

re: #155 MandyManners

Did any company boycott Olbermann?



Of course not, silly. He’s a liberal and just doing his patriotic, treasonous duty.
/

207 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:22am

re: #179 Ward Cleaver

Looking for cold solder joints and stuff like that?

Inside the package, looking for bad bond outs, where the die is wire to the package pins or process errors during fabrication, have to be able to see the die and maybe laser or Focus Ion Beam as the next step in the FA.

208 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:28am
209 lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:40am

re: #192 Desert Dog

The minute I heard about the Whole Foods guy being boycotted by Team Wee Wee, I stopped making fun of my wife’s preference for shopping there. (She loves their olives/cheeses/breads etc.)
I’ve never really had a problem with WF, it just always seemed like a “crunchy” kind of place. Now I’m going to lobby to go there for every one of our shopping trips.

210 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:42am

Aww.

The thrill is gone for Obama and the media

Say what ya will about the old Washington Examiner, but ya kinda gotta like a political editor who can write this:

Team Obama tried blaming special interests, but that was a bust too. The president’s deal with the pharmaceutical industry gets him $150 million worth of ads to boost his plan, whatever it is.

The same people who bombard us with ads for products that promise to prevent hardened arteries or encourage hardening elsewhere will soon be selling you Obamacare.

“If you experience doubts about the plan lasting more than four hours, seek immediate help from Organizing for America.”

211 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:44am
212 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:04am

re: #183 Desert Dog

Are you sure that’s her? All those white people look alike, you know.

Sure looks like the same person, but when I just googled her name with Obama’s name look what I found:

Kay Murphy, a 73-year-old retired Davenport schoolteacher, said she decided after seeing Sen. Obama on Monday that she would vote for him this fall, the first time the lifelong Republican has voted for a Democrat since John F. Kennedy in 1960. “He just seems to be one of the people. And that really does impress me,” she said.

No picture, but the same name and also a retired school teacher.

213 Baier  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:09am

re: #204 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And it creates Pole-arising issues.

Don’t be a slav to these conventions.

214 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:11am

THE NIRTHERS ARE PLANTS!
Well, ok, they have the IQ of plants; not sure if that’s the same thing.

215 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:23am

re: #208 Ojoe

I joined the Modern Whig Party.

Why? Are you bald?

216 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:32am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Clorox said they are no longer advertising on any political show, so yes. Olberman is getting hit by this too.

I meant during the Bush Administration when he suffered from BDS.

I should’ve clarified.

217 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:34am

re: #173 Ringo the Gringo

I filmed her not far from my house…I sure hope she lives in Arizona, and not in my neighborhood

There is a woman in the vid holding a sign that says “Ask Poland about the bird flu.” What does that mean?

218 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:39am

Hey all, the VA book Your Life, Your Choices, is now Page Not Found.

/Maybe it was overloading their servers. Yeah, that’s the story.

219 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:58am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The moonbats going after Whole Food are particularly nasty. I think it’s because they looked at Whole Foods as being part of “their side” with its organic bent. To have its CEO come out against Obamacare probably strikes them as betrayal, though it is in fact nothing of the sort.

It’s not just moonbats boycotting Whole Foods. Debbie Schlussel is too:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com…]

220 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:03am

re: #189 doppelganglander

If she doesn’t live in Franks’ district, the local media in Arizona might be interested to know about it. I dislike activists of any stripe dominating meetings that are intended for constituents when they do not live in the district. It gives a false picture of how the residents really feel.

See my post #212

221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:14am

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Ooooh, a surprise in every package. :)

You open an IC up for failure analysis, see the silly cone down in the there, and instantly know why it’s behaving wacky.

222 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:19am
223 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:20am

re: #210 subsailor68

Aww.

The thrill is gone for Obama and the media

Say what ya will about the old Washington Examiner, but ya kinda gotta like a political editor who can write this:

Team Obama tried blaming special interests, but that was a bust too. The president’s deal with the pharmaceutical industry gets him $150 million worth of ads to boost his plan, whatever it is.

The same people who bombard us with ads for products that promise to prevent hardened arteries or encourage hardening elsewhere will soon be selling you Obamacare.

“If you experience doubts about the plan lasting more than four hours, seek immediate help from Organizing for America.”

Yes, the possible side effects of Obamacare may be worse than “the cure” it is offering.

224 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:25am

re: #172 Sharmuta

Clorox said they are no longer advertising on any political show, so yes. Olberman is getting hit by this too.

Didn’t Dunkin’ Donuts get on Olbermann’s hit list—worst person award thing? I doubt that they advertise on his show.

225 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:15am

re: #215 LGoPs

I AM tired of the bald lies of the regular politicians.

226 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:30am

re: #215 LGoPs

Why? Are you bald?

I like this one

227 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #208 Ojoe

I joined the Modern Whig Party.

Just now? I thought you already had.

228 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:51am

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The moonbats going after Whole Food are particularly nasty. I think it’s because they looked at Whole Foods as being part of “their side” with its organic bent. To have its CEO come out against Obamacare probably strikes them as betrayal, though it is in fact nothing of the sort.

If you want a truly disturbing view of seething moonbat hatred, I recommend this little anti-Whole Foods nugget, which I found on Afrocity’s excellent blog. Warnings: (1) NSFW language, (2) no kidding, the level of hatred is pretty disturbing, and (3) embedding is disabled, so you’ll have to double click it to see it on Youtube.

229 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:59am

re: #215 LGoPs

Why? Are you bald?

Toupee’

230 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:13am

re: #207 jcm

Inside the package, looking for bad bond outs, where the die is wire to the package pins or process errors during fabrication, have to be able to see the die and maybe laser or Focus Ion Beam as the next step in the FA.

I thought it might be something like that.

231 saberry0530  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:14am

re: #214 shiplord kirel

THE NIRTHERS ARE PLANTS!
Well, ok, they have the IQ of plants; not sure if that’s the same thing.

What you got against plants?

//

232 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #209 lincolntf

I’ve never shoppped there because there none too close to me (nearest one is probably a 20 minute drive) and they’re too expensive. But one of these days I need to try one of their dry-aged steaks.

233 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:50am

re: #227 Silvergirl

Not just now, unless you are a geologist, then just now.

234 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:03am

re: #220 Ringo the Gringo

See my post #212

Good catch. Do you plan to pursue it?

235 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:08am

re: #231 saberry0530

What you got against plants?

//

They don’t taste like meat?

//

236 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:13am

re: #216 MandyManners

This is a new trend- companies are just now looking at the worth of advertising on political talk shows. I think it’s an interesting development that is now expanding outside of just the beck kookiness issue into the realm of all of them. We should, in a sense, welcome this. Clorox is saying it’s not just beck, it’s all of them and they have the right to advertise where they want or don’t want. This could be a whole new ball game if this keeps developing- we’ll see.

237 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:13am

re: #212 Ringo the Gringo

No picture, but the same name and also a retired school teacher.

WHAT?

238 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:13am

re: #219 Mad Al-Jaffee

It’s not just moonbats boycotting Whole Foods. Debbie Schlussel is too:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com…]

Led by Lynn B., we have been debunking some of Debbie Schlussel’s claims about Whole Foods over here.

239 Buck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:31am

re: #212 Ringo the Gringo

No picture, but the same name and also a retired school teacher.

So you are saying you found a Nirther that had said she was voting for Obama?


That is rich…Too bad she can’t be exposed …

240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #219 Mad Al-Jaffee

It’s not just moonbats boycotting Whole Foods. Debbie Schlussel is too:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com…]

The difference is that she wants boycott to protest the company’s indirect promotion of Radical Islam, whereas the moonbats want a boycott because the CEO wrote an -op-ed opposing Obamacare.

241 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:36am

re: #217 KenJen

There is a woman in the vid holding a sign that says “Ask Poland about the bird flu.” What does that mean?

I called Warsaw, they said “what the hell are you talking about, you crazy American” (but, in Polish, and with a snippy tone to it too)

242 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:43am

re: #213 Baier

Don’t be a slav to these conventions.

You gotta be pretty danged Hungary to toss that one out.

243 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:06am

re: #225 Ojoe

I AM tired of the bald lies of the regular politicians.

A website with lots of nice bald eagle photos.

/I just like bald eagles…

244 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:26am

re: #217 KenJen

There is a woman in the vid holding a sign that says “Ask Poland about the bird flu.” What does that mean?

I tried to find out but came up with nothing. She was also holding a sign promoting Bilderberg Group conspiracies.

245 HoosierHoops  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:33am

re: #185 Ward Cleaver

Because other countries have peeps who will do the work for $5k/yr?

/not kidding

That’s not true..We pay Oracle Admins and Programmers a min of 100k a year. it doesn’t matter what country they live in…When you can hire a 25 yr old with a Masters from India that can write forms for ERP.. You hire them..
The workforce in America is somewhat thin…Kids think they can play Video games and work with Windows and get hired to program PL/SQL forms and make the big bucks after college are in for a big shock…America better wake up..We are getting our asses kicked in the global IT Market…Kids are getting lazy and a future employer could care less about how good you are at playing Halo… If you can support workflow in Oracle ERP forms then there is a good change you’re first new car will be a Beemer…Or if you can code industrial C++ code Call Microsoft or something…

246 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #238 Last Mohican

Led by Lynn B., we have been debunking some of Debbie Schlussel’s claims about Whole Foods over here.

Upding for the link. Thanks!

247 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:48am

re: #228 Last Mohican

If you want a truly disturbing view of seething moonbat hatred, I recommend this little anti-Whole Foods nugget, which I found on Afrocity’s excellent blog. Warnings: (1) NSFW language, (2) no kidding, the level of hatred is pretty disturbing, and (3) embedding is disabled, so you’ll have to double click it to see it on Youtube.


I saw that last night. It’s not for the faint of heart. The moonbat crazy is very strong, and very nasty.

248 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:02am

re: #243 experiencedtraveller

COOL !

249 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #236 Sharmuta

This is a new trend- companies are just now looking at the worth of advertising on political talk shows. I think it’s an interesting development that is now expanding outside of just the beck kookiness issue into the realm of all of them. We should, in a sense, welcome this. Clorox is saying it’s not just beck, it’s all of them and they have the right to advertise where they want or don’t want. This could be a whole new ball game if this keeps developing- we’ll see.

It’s their money but, I really hate the thought that corporations would try to suppress political speech.

250 Baier  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:05am

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You gotta be pretty danged Hungary to toss that one out.

Serbs me right.

251 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:11am

re: #219 Mad Al-Jaffee

It’s not just moonbats boycotting Whole Foods. Debbie Schlussel is too:

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com…]

I’ll stick to Trader Joe’s, which did stop sponsoring an antisemitic radio show.

252 lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:18am

re: #232 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, a lot of their things are a bit pricier than the local alternative (Harris Teeter) but it’ll be worth the few extra bucks if I get to walk in the door past a bunch of patchouli-reeking moonbats.

253 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:32am

re: #235 BlueCanuck

They don’t taste like meat?

//

What about meat eating plants? Can we still eat those?

Rat Eating Plant

If you put one of these in your vegan salad, is it considered breaking the rules?

254 Baelzar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:38am

Palin to the left of me, Nirthers to the right, Supremacists, Creationists, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

We’re doomed. It’s Democrats for the next 20 years, by which time it won’t matter anymore.

255 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:40am

re: #242 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You gotta be pretty danged Hungary to toss that one out.

LOL! Reminded me of my favorite song from Gypsy: “Latvia Entertain You”.

256 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:07am

re: #251 Kosh’s Shadow

I’ll stick to Trader Joe’s, which did stop sponsoring an antisemitic radio show.

Whole Foods apparently stopped supporting that show too, although it did take them longer than Trader Joe’s to do so.

257 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:19am

I love the way Mike Judge skewered Whole Foods (“One Earth”) on his short lived cartoon The Goode Family.

258 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:22am

re: #243 experiencedtraveller

A website with lots of nice bald eagle photos.

/I just like bald eagles…


I saw one for the first time last week.

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:37am

re: #250 Baier

Serbs me right.

Would Yugo away? … Please!

260 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:44am

re: #225 Ojoe

I AM tired of the bald lies of the regular politicians.

Sounds like the hirsute party would suit you. Although, if you’re a man, as I suspect, perhaps the himsute party would be more appropriate.
/

261 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:43:45am

re: #228 Last Mohican

If you want a truly disturbing view of seething moonbat hatred, I recommend this little anti-Whole Foods nugget, which I found on Afrocity’s excellent blog. Warnings: (1) NSFW language, (2) no kidding, the level of hatred is pretty disturbing, and (3) embedding is disabled, so you’ll have to double click it to see it on Youtube.

There is something really creepy about the speaker’s mouth being mostly below camera level. I wonder if that was intentional. It made it very difficult to watch.

262 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #254 Baelzar

I think that is fine & even better if you switch Palin & nirthers.

263 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:08am

re: #241 Desert Dog

I called Warsaw, they said “what the hell are you talking about, you crazy American” (but, in Polish, and with a snippy tone to it too)

ahhahahahahahaahahahahahaa

264 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:23am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

Maybe the average Republican doesn’t care enough about the topic to make a stand against it. I’m more of an independent conservative, but I couldn’t care less about Obama’s citizenship status at this point. He’s the President. End of story. Now maybe we can concentrate on preventing him from turning our country into the U.S.S.A. through his collectivist ambitions. Surely every American wants to maintain their own individual liberty… I hope…

265 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:25am
Franks was hounded by no fewer than nine Birther fanatics.

So if Franks were hounded by nine people urging him to jump off a cliff, he would do it?

I don’t care how many of these loons show up; the responsible thing to do is show them the damn door.

266 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Would Yugo away? … Please!

Don’t be a (Buda) pest.

267 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:01am

re: #260 LGoPs

My wife says I should pay more attention to clothes.

BBL

268 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:02am

re: #232 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’ve never shoppped there because there none too close to me (nearest one is probably a 20 minute drive) and they’re too expensive. But one of these days I need to try one of their dry-aged steaks.

My Whole Foods is actually a small local chain called Harry’s Farmer’s Market that was bought out but kept the old name. You can spend a lot there on stuff like free-range chicken, or you can get very nice produce, some of it local, for a very nice price. I shop there in spite of the lefty image, but now I might patronize it a little more often.

269 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:14am

re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You open an IC up for failure analysis, see the silly cone down in the there, and instantly know why it’s behaving wacky.

It’s anything but silly cone, you try and keep the magic smoke in while opening it up one little goof in the incantation and who knows what will happen.

270 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:25am

re: #249 MandyManners

It’s their money but, I really hate the thought that corporations would try to suppress political speech.

I worry more about the government doing that. If a corporation doesn’t want to support someone’s free speech- that’s how the capitalism cookie crumbles. You have a right to speak- you do not have a right to a corporate sponsor.

271 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:29am

re: #250 Baier

Serbs me right.

Pretty gauling, if you ask me.

272 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:56am

re: #257 Mad Al-Jaffee

Is that show already gone? I watched a couple episodes that were half-decent. I had hoped that it would stick around for a while and grow some teeth.

273 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:46:31am

re: #234 doppelganglander

Good catch. Do you plan to pursue it?

I do some Googling I suppose. See what I come up with…

274 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:46:45am

re: #268 doppelganglander

My Whole Foods is actually a small local chain called Harry’s Farmer’s Market that was bought out but kept the old name. You can spend a lot there on stuff like free-range chicken, or you can get very nice produce, some of it local, for a very nice price. I shop there in spite of the lefty image, but now I might patronize it a little more often.

I like a store called Sprouts. Good stuff there

275 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:46:51am

re: #267 Ojoe

My wife says I should pay more attention to clothes.

BBL

Ojoe, apparently blogging without pants again. And it’s not even the lounge.

276 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #271 LGoPs

Pretty gauling, if you ask me.

But, it is German to the topic

277 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:47:02am

re: #266 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don’t be a (Buda) pest.

Wasn’t that a poem by the noted poet Magyard Kipling…?
/

278 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:47:02am

I have two friends who are very left wing and both work for unions. The closest grocery store to them is a WF and they refuse to shop there because it’s non-union. Except when they have a craving for something WF sells.

279 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:47:35am

re: #269 jcm

It’s anything but silly cone, you try and keep the magic smoke in while opening it up one little goof in the incantation and who knows what will happen.

Witch doctor are you seeing?

280 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:06am

re: #272 Lincolntf

Is that show already gone? I watched a couple episodes that were half-decent. I had hoped that it would stick around for a while and grow some teeth.

It was cancelled a couple of weeks ago.

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #278 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have two friends who are very left wing and both work for unions. The closest grocery store to them is a WF and they refuse to shop there because it’s non-union. Except when they have a craving for something WF sells.


I won’t drink cheap beer unless I’m out of beer and a friend has some.

282 Baier  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:10am

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Would Yugo away? … Please!

I’ll give it a rest if Bucharest.

283 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:23am

I’m out. Back tonight. Sorry about the stupid post.

284 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:33am

re: #279 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Witch doctor are you seeing?

Dr. Robinson. I believe she is currently in the White House, watching the Obama girls.
///

285 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:45am

re: #265 SixDegrees

So if Franks were hounded by nine people urging him to jump off a cliff, he would do it?

I don’t care how many of these loons show up; the responsible thing to do is show them the damn door.

the urge to be liked is stronger than the principle involved…nobody wants to piss off the nirthers, there are too many of them…why else has there not been a strong voice at the top of the party to denounce them?…face it, this is the GOP

286 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:47am

re: #271 LGoPs

Pretty gauling, if you ask me.

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres.

I think I just had a Caesar!

;-)

287 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:54am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

I’m out. Back tonight. Sorry about the stupid post.

All if forgiven (from me at least!)

288 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:56am

re: #228 Last Mohican

If you want a truly disturbing view of seething moonbat hatred, I recommend this little anti-Whole Foods nugget, which I found on Afrocity’s excellent blog. Warnings: (1) NSFW language, (2) no kidding, the level of hatred is pretty disturbing, and (3) embedding is disabled, so you’ll have to double click it to see it on Youtube.


Yikes!

We’re surrounded by crazies!

289 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:28am

Little spinning wheel, no new comments flowing.

Thus, this comment.

290 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:29am

re: #282 Baier

I’ll give it a rest if Bucharest.

This is getting Prague-gressively worse.

291 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:45am

re: #245 HoosierHoops

That’s not true..We pay Oracle Admins and Programmers a min of 100k a year. it doesn’t matter what country they live in…When you can hire a 25 yr old with a Masters from India that can write forms for ERP.. You hire them..
The workforce in America is somewhat thin…Kids think they can play Video games and work with Windows and get hired to program PL/SQL forms and make the big bucks after college are in for a big shock…America better wake up..We are getting our asses kicked in the global IT Market…Kids are getting lazy and a future employer could care less about how good you are at playing Halo… If you can support workflow in Oracle ERP forms then there is a good change you’re first new car will be a Beemer…Or if you can code industrial C++ code Call Microsoft or something…

Sorry, you’re right. The more specialized you are, the more money you can make, wherever.

292 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:47am

re: #270 Sharmuta

I worry more about the government doing that. If a corporation doesn’t want to support someone’s free speech- that’s how the capitalism cookie crumbles. You have a right to speak- you do not have a right to a corporate sponsor.

As I stated, I’m aware of that it is their money. Still, I wonder about a corporate culture that wants political discourse to disappear.

I WILL boycott companies that pull their dollars from all shows/networks.

293 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:51am

re: #278 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have two friends who are very left wing and both work for unions. The closest grocery store to them is a WF and they refuse to shop there because it’s non-union. Except when they have a craving for something WF sells.

Weird- I know a guy like that too, but he’s a right-winger. Won’t shop at non-union grocery chains. Got upset with me when I mentioned I did. How can I help it? Their prices are lower.

294 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:50:23am

re: #276 Desert Dog

But, it is German to the topic

Speaking of that did you know that it was a German explorer who discovered the Grand Teutons?
It’s where those German Indians, the Teuton Sioux come from…

295 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:50:26am

My tuna salad awaits. bbias

296 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:50:48am

re: #274 Desert Dog

I like a store called Sprouts. Good stuff there

We do, too. They have incredible prices on produce, so we buy most of our produce there. Some of their other stuff is pretty pricey, though.

297 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:51:24am

re: #214 shiplord kirel

THE NIRTHERS ARE PLANTS!
Well, ok, they have the IQ of plants; not sure if that’s the same thing.

So are Triffids.

298 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:51:44am

re: #261 Alouette

There is something really creepy about the speaker’s mouth being mostly below camera level. I wonder if that was intentional. It made it very difficult to watch.

It’s awful, isn’t it? I think maybe that’s because it focuses more attention on her eyes, which are extra-wide open. That’s a manifestation of the fight-or-flight response, showing that there really is a strong autonomic component to her anger.

299 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:52:00am

re: #294 LGoPs

Speaking of that did you know that it was a German explorer who discovered the Grand Teutons?
It’s where those German Indians, the Teuton Sioux come from…

Grand Tetons is a nice way to say “big boobs” in French. It must have been quite lonely out there in the mountains, trapping beavers with no babes around, eh? ;-)

300 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:52:02am

For those who might be interested, the Southern Baptist Church, the Assembly Of God Church, and the Church Of The Nazarene are all anti-evolution creationist Biblical Literalist fundamentalist denominations.

The most famous recent Southern Baptist preacher is the late Jerry Falwell. The most famous Assembly Of God preacher is Pat Robertson. The most famous Church Of The Nazarene preacher is James Dobson.

301 HoosierHoops  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:52:56am

re: #291 Ward Cleaver

I wasn’t trashing you…I just jumped up my little soapbox about American IT talent…
Thanks for bringing it up…I think it is an excellent topic for a thread…If kids don’t start putting their noses to the grindstone they are getting passed by globally…

302 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:53:07am

Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.

A) Because the nither shit keeps people from actually focusing on the real problems.

303 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:53:18am
304 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:54:04am

re: #299 Desert Dog

Grand Tetons is a nice way to say “big boobs” in French. It must have been quite lonely out there in the mountains, trapping beavers with no babes around, eh? ;-)

have they been enhanced

305 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:54:15am

re: #303 buzzsawmonkey

I did not know that G-d came with some assembly required.

I hope there’s one of those allenwrench tools inside the box, I never seem to have the right size when their isn’t.

306 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:54:52am

re: #297 Son of the Black Dog

So are Triffids.

I’ve been eyeing my garden with suspicion on exactly those grounds.

307 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:08am

Who else has seen Inglourious Basterds? Cato already gave us his review yesterday. Unfavorable in the extreme, with a claim that his Jewish friends all hated it.

NY Nana linked an article in the spinoffs—Tarantino strikes box office gold with World War II movie Inglourious Basterds. It has two updings so far.

Just wondering. I don’t think I’ll see it.

308 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:28am

re: #304 Eowyn2

have they been enhanced

Are you trying to cleave into a boob pun thread?

309 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:29am

re: #298 Last Mohican

It’s awful, isn’t it? I think maybe that’s because it focuses more attention on her eyes, which are extra-wide open. That’s a manifestation of the fight-or-flight response, showing that there really is a strong autonomic component to her anger.

I was thinking she’s pissed off that she doesn’t have dental insurance.

310 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #302 Eowyn2

Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.

A) Because the nither shit keeps people from actually focusing on the real problems.

When your opponents decides to destroy themselves.
Don’t get in the way.

311 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:33am

re: #244 Ringo the Gringo

I tried to find out but came up with nothing. She was also holding a sign promoting Bilderberg Group conspiracies.

I found an article in the U.K. Telegraph. It seems quite a few homeless people were killed by an experimental vaccine for the H1S1 virus last year. I bet that’s what the sign is about. I couldn’t link to it for some reason.

312 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:55:55am

re: #285 albusteve

the urge to be liked is stronger than the principle involved…nobody wants to piss off the nirthers, there are too many of them…why else has there not been a strong voice at the top of the party to denounce them?…face it, this is the GOP

I really don’t care how man of them there are. Would Franks start goose-stepping if nine neo-Nazis showed up brandishing swastikas? Sometimes, people are just flat-out wrong, and being polite only encourages them.

The nirthers need to be bitch-slapped, hard, by the GOP. Now.

313 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:56:03am

re: #299 Desert Dog

Grand Tetons is a nice way to say “big boobs” in French. It must have been quite lonely out there in the mountains, trapping beavers with no babes around, eh? ;-)

And in between the Grand Tetons you’ll find the famous Silicone Valley.

314 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:56:16am

re: #307 Silvergirl

Who else has seen Inglourious Basterds? Cato already gave us his review yesterday. Unfavorable in the extreme, with a claim that his Jewish friends all hated it.

NY Nana linked an article in the spinoffs—Tarantino strikes box office gold with World War II movie Inglourious Basterds. It has two updings so far.

Just wondering. I don’t think I’ll see it.

My son (the IDF vet) saw it, and says it’s the greatest movie ever.

315 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:56:23am

re: #305 Desert Dog

I hope there’s one of those allenwrench tools inside the box, I never seem to have the right size when their isn’t.

Biggest problem is that the instructions are in Japanese, and the assembly pictures are out of focus…

316 Jack Burton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:56:37am

re: #15 Cato the Elder

My Facebook page for GOPers who think the nirf certifikit story is crapola gained a whole 19 followers…

Rational people with better things to do don’t normally go out of their way to hold up a sign saying “I’m not a kook” and shout it from the rooftops. Kooks on the other hand will put up a flashing neon sign and break out a megaphone.

317 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #307 Silvergirl

I haven’t seen it yet, but I plan to this week. I’m a big Tarantino fan (although the only recent movie of his I saw in the theater was Kill Bill 2.)

318 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:57:09am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

We do, too. They have incredible prices on produce, so we buy most of our produce there. Some of their other stuff is pretty pricey, though.

Their chicken and ground beef are not so pricey and they are superior to the big chains. They have a cheap-ass wine there called Gato Negro. It is awesome for the price - $3. Try the Malbec and the Merlot. It tastes like wine that should cost a lot more.

319 HoosierHoops  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:57:11am

re: #302 Eowyn2

Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.

A) Because the nither shit keeps people from actually focusing on the real problems.

Hey…We came to the agreement yesterday to start producing Obama Birth Certificates and selling them on eBay…( cause they are now)
Lizards we have to contribute to the Zionist slush fund and keep those checks coming…All submission should be in .PDF file format.
/

320 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:57:55am

re: #308 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are you trying to cleave into a boob pun thread?

With some underwire support from other Lizards, we can certainly lift this up to a boob thread.

321 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:58:47am

re: #320 Desert Dog

With some underwire support from other Lizards, we can certainly lift this up to a boob thread.

Okay, bra.

322 Dahveed  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:59:42am

So, over the weekend I got into a heated debate with a liberal friend (whose wife is a plaintiffs lawyer) about tort reform. His contention is that tort reform in medical malpractice is unnecessary because the insurance companies are collecting premiums but paying out only a small percentage of those premiums in damages. And even if damages are capped, the insurance companies would still charge the same premiums. His argument was that there needed to be regulation of the insurance companies on medical malpractice insurance. My contention is that if you have damages capped, then the insurance companies would lower the premiums. No doctor would need coverage at say $10 million if damages are capped at $1 million. Why would a doctor pay premiums for coverage that wasn’t necessary? Also, doctors won’t have to charge for tests that are unnecessary in order to cover themselves from being sued. I am also not completely convinced that the damages are that low for medical malpractice. If this was the case, then the media and politicians would be able to explain this away and it wouldn’t be an issue. Instead the fact that they are so silent about it suggests that they are afraid of the discussion.

Opinions?

323 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:59:42am

re: #318 Desert Dog

Their chicken and ground beef are not so pricey and they are superior to the big chains. They have a cheap-ass wine there called Gato Negro. It is awesome for the price - $3. Try the Malbec and the Merlot. It tastes like wine that should cost a lot more.

When they run organic ground beef on sale for $1.99/lb, June buys 10-15lbs of it. I’m always amazed at their prices on, for example, bing cherries - usually $1.99/lb.

324 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:59:43am

re: #320 Desert Dog

With some underwire support from other Lizards, we can certainly lift this up to a boob thread.

Someone say boobs?

325 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:59:46am

re: #320 Desert Dog

With some underwire support from other Lizards, we can certainly lift this up to a boob thread.


Between the Nirthers and the pro-single payer enthusiasts, this site seems to have plenty of boobs. /

326 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:59:55am

re: #306 Dianna

I’ve been eyeing my garden with suspicion on exactly those grounds.

If you see something begin moving, run like hell.

327 Dahveed  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:00:41am

re: #307 Silvergirl

Who else has seen Inglourious Basterds? Cato already gave us his review yesterday. Unfavorable in the extreme, with a claim that his Jewish friends all hated it.

NY Nana linked an article in the spinoffs—Tarantino strikes box office gold with World War II movie Inglourious Basterds. It has two updings so far.

Just wondering. I don’t think I’ll see it.


See it. It is incredible. The audience in the theater I saw it at applauded afterwards.

328 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:03am

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you see something begin moving, run like hell.

Or if you hear a voice in the garden
“Feed me, Dianna”

329 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:09am

re: #300 Salamantis

For those who might be interested, the Southern Baptist Church, the Assembly Of God Church, and the Church Of The Nazarene are all anti-evolution creationist Biblical Literalist fundamentalist denominations.

The most famous recent Southern Baptist preacher is the late Jerry Falwell. The most famous Assembly Of God preacher is Pat Robertson. The most famous Church Of The Nazarene preacher is James Dobson.

Sal? Robertson’s a Southern Baptist; Falwell ended up a Southern Baptist; and Dobson was raised Nazarene, but does not speak for the denomination.

330 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:24am

re: #321 Mad Al-Jaffee

Okay, bra.

Definition of a bra: two cups for one girl.

Actually, it was originally invented by Emmanuel Titsling, but Colonel Harlan Brazziere stole his invention right out from under his nose.

331 LoquaciousLady  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:47am

Of corset, a pun divergence.

332 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:51am

re: #326 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you see something begin moving, run like hell.

Feed Me!

333 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:02:09am

re: #303 buzzsawmonkey

I did not know that G-d came with some assembly required.

He doesn’t. And Robertson’s not Assemblies.

334 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:02:46am

re: #331 LoquaciousLady

Of corset, a pun divergence.

G, did we string you along?

335 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:02:57am

Trouble in Hopenchangeland?

Obama White House v. CIA:
Panetta Threatened to Quit
Tensions Lead to CIA Director’s “Screaming Match” at the White House

A “profanity-laced screaming match” at the White House involving CIA Director Leon Panetta, and the expected release today of another damning internal investigation, has administration officials worrying about the direction of its newly-appoint intelligence team, current and former senior intelligence officials tell ABC News.com.

Amid reports that Panetta had threatened to quit just seven months after taking over at the spy agency, other insiders tell ABCNews.com that senior White House staff members are already discussing a possible shake-up of top national security officials.

“You can expect a larger than normal turnover in the next year,” a senior adviser to Obama on intelligence matters told ABCNews.com.

Since 9/11, the CIA has had five directors or acting directors.

A White House spokesperson, Denis McDonough, said reports that Panetta had threatened to quit and that the White House was seeking a replacement were “inaccurate.”

According to intelligence officials, Panetta erupted in a tirade last month during a meeting with a senior White House staff member. Panetta was reportedly upset over plans by Attorney General Eric Holder to open a criminal investigation of allegations that CIA officers broke the law in carrying out certain interrogation techniques that President Obama has termed “torture.”

A CIA spokesman quoted Panetta as saying “it is absolutely untrue” that he has any plans to leave the CIA. As to the reported White House tirade, the spokesman said Panetta is known to use “salty language.” CIA spokesman George Little said the report was “wrong, inaccurate, bogus and false.”

Prognostication: Panetta will be out of a job by the end of the year.

336 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:03:30am

re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee

G, did we string you along?

That was below the belt!

337 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #333 Dianna

He doesn’t. And Robertson’s not Assemblies.


You’re right. Robertson’s in Acquisitions. Everyone knows Assemblies is run by the techies.

338 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:04:04am

re: #331 LoquaciousLady

Of corset, a pun divergence.

You can’t just lift one pun and separate it from all the others.

339 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:04:10am

re: #329 Dianna

Sal? Robertson’s a Southern Baptist; Falwell ended up a Southern Baptist; and Dobson was raised Nazarene, but does not speak for the denomination.

I stand corrected. I erroneously assumed that Pat Robertson was Assembly of God because of his charismatic evangelical style.

I guess the most famous Assembly of God preacher would have to be Jim Bakker, then.

340 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:04:33am

re: #331 LoquaciousLady

Of corset, a pun divergence.

I’m girdling my loins for a pun thread…

341 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:04:59am

re: #336 jcm

That was below the belt!


I think someone should start talking about something more uplifting and separate the twins while we’re at it.

342 LoquaciousLady  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:05:05am

re: #335 Kenneth

Any hope that some czars will follow next?

343 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:05:19am

re: #338 turn

Are you feeling alright? You’re looking a little pasty.

344 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:05:48am

re: #338 turn

You can’t just lift one pun and separate it from all the others.


I hate being so slow on the rejoinders!

Good one!

345 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:06:17am

re: #343 Kenneth

Are you feeling alright? You’re looking a little pasty.

Well gang, thanks for mammeries, I am out of here. Duty calls and I must work.

346 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:06:28am

re: #341 96RoadKing

I think someone should start talking about something more uplifting and separate the twins while we’re at it.

This thread is sheer nonsense.

347 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:09am

re: #335 Kenneth

Trouble in Hopenchangeland?

Obama White House v. CIA:
Panetta Threatened to Quit
Tensions Lead to CIA Director’s “Screaming Match” at the White House

Prognostication: Panetta will be out of a job by the end of the year.

Hmmm…I think you may be right. When ya read something like this:

CIA spokesman George Little said the report was “wrong, inaccurate, bogus and false.”

It’s usually a clue. Kind of like a statement that begins: “Let me make it perfectly clear that I have nothing but the utmost confidence in, and am expressing my total support for, (insert dead duck’s name here).”

348 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:17am

re: #346 Mad Al-Jaffee

This thread is sheer nonsense.

I thought it was perky

349 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:20am

re: #339 Salamantis

I stand corrected. I erroneously assumed that Pat Robertson was Assembly of God because of his charismatic evangelical style.

I guess the most famous Assembly of God preacher would have to be Jim Bakker, then.

Well, Jim Bakker was Assembly of God. Now-a-days, he’s a TV preacher without affiliation. Look under “current career.”

350 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #346 Mad Al-Jaffee

This thread is sheer nonsense.


I think too many on this thread are in their cups.

351 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #346 Mad Al-Jaffee

This thread is sheer nonsense.

It’s still early; this is still a strapping young thread, into which one may yet be hooked.

352 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:07:49am

re: #345 Desert Dog

Well gang, thanks for mammeries, I am out of here. Duty calls and I must work.

That made me titter.

353 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:08:42am

re: #352 Mad Al-Jaffee

That made me titter.

Argh!

That just drove me back to my summaries!

354 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:08:53am

re: #343 Kenneth

Are you feeling alright? You’re looking a little pasty.

Yes I am, Must be the air, either that or e ola “ate something bad” excuse.

355 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:02am

re: #351 Salamantis

It’s still early; this is still a strapping young thread, into which one may yet be hooked.

I’m afraid of what it might slip into.

356 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:04am

re: #352 Mad Al-Jaffee

That made me titter.

Udder failure.

357 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:31am

re: #261 Alouette

There is something really creepy about the speaker’s mouth being mostly below camera level. I wonder if that was intentional. It made it very difficult to watch.

She didn’t blink either.

358 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:32am

…some things are breast unsaid…

359 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:41am

re: #356 Alouette

Udder failure.

Gland you see it that way.

360 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:53am

re: #354 turn

Yes I am, Must be the air, either that or e ola “ate something bad” excuse.

This is really motorboating away.

361 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:10:25am

Sigh, I was really hoping someone would nipple all this in the bud.

(Sorry, someone had to…)

362 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #360 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is really motorboating away.

I’m having a hard time keeping abreast of the thread…

363 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:11:19am

re: #344 96RoadKing

I hate being so slow on the rejoinders!

Good one!

Man, I haven’t been able to play much lately. I had to lay off one of my guys so I’m having to fill in for him and I can’t find much time to LGF other that breaks and lunch. Oh great, my buddy here at work just emailed me the rattlesnake mating video, I’ll post it on youtube.

364 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:11:46am

re: #362 LGoPs

I’m having a hard time keeping abreast of the thread…

Are you lacking in support?

365 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:12:19am

re: #364 jcm

Are you lacking in support?

Kind of sagging behind…

366 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:12:45am

re: #360 Mad Al-Jaffee

This is really motorboating away.

Hey mad, you getting excited about the upcomming gig?

367 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:12:51am

re: #365 LGoPs

Kind of sagging behind…

Someone has to shoulder the burden…

368 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:13:00am

re: #335 Kenneth

Prognostication: Panetta will be out of a job by the end of the year.

He seems a little antsy for a job that requires some cool…

369 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:01am

I need to D-Cuple what I write from where my thoughts are going

370 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:04am

re: #366 turn

Hey mad, you getting excited about the upcomming gig?

Yeah, but since it’s about a month away I haven’t thought about it too much lately (except if I want to stay at the beach that weekend, and which hotels to start looking into if I do.)

371 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:09am

re: #367 Salamantis

Someone has to shoulder the burden…


An enhancement may be the way to go.

372 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:37am

ot ,,,

Shane that Leon Panetta wasn’t this principled when he was shielding Bill Clinton

Obama White House v. CIA; Panetta Threatened to Quit

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

373 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:44am

re: #369 LGoPs

I need to D-Cuple what I write from where my thoughts are going

Are they jiggling away?

374 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:48am

re: #212 Ringo the Gringo

No picture, but the same name and also a retired school teacher.

I love the irony of the anti-McCain ad on your link…

John McCain
We just can’t afford more of the same.

What can’t we afford?

375 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:56am

re: #371 96RoadKing

An enhancement may be the way to go.

Enhancements are just a silly con

376 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:04am

(OT to punning)

Back when I was a kid, a company came out with three new bras:
the Mae West uplifted the masses,
the Normal Vincent Peale supported the fallen,
and the Walter Winchell made mountains out of molehills.

/we’re gonna find out who the old farts are here

377 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #372 sattv4u2

ot ,,,

Shane that Leon Panetta wasn’t this principled when he was shielding Bill Clinton

Obama White House v. CIA; Panetta Threatened to Quit

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

SHAME, even

PIMF

378 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:13am

re: #371 96RoadKing

An enhancement may be the way to go.

What implanted that in your mind?

379 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:24am

re: #370 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, but since it’s about a month away I haven’t thought about it too much lately (except if I want to stay at the beach that weekend, and which hotels to start looking into if I do.)

That reminds me, I’ve got to book my hotel reservations. What else is cool to see in the area?

380 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:26am

re: #373 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are they jiggling away?

I think the topic’s been pert near covered.

381 NukeAtomrod  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:30am

re: #307 Silvergirl

Who else has seen Inglourious Basterds? Cato already gave us his review yesterday. Unfavorable in the extreme, with a claim that his Jewish friends all hated it.

NY Nana linked an article in the spinoffs—Tarantino strikes box office gold with World War II movie Inglourious Basterds. It has two updings so far.

Just wondering. I don’t think I’ll see it.

I’m planning on going to see it. It’s one of Tarantino’s exploitation-style films. It appeals to the part of my soul that remains a perpetual 14-year-old boy. If your soul does not contain something similar, you will be offended by the film. I’d also recommend that you steer clear of the next Three Stooges Film Festival as well.

382 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:43am

re: #311 KenJen

I found an article in the U.K. Telegraph. It seems quite a few homeless people were killed by an experimental vaccine for the H1S1 virus last year. I bet that’s what the sign is about. I couldn’t link to it for some reason.

Some sort of anti-vax conspiracy. Hard to keep up with all the nuttiness.

[Link: www.conspiracyplanet.com…]

383 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:57am

re: #376 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(OT to punning)

Back when I was a kid, a company came out with three new bras:
the Mae West uplifted the masses,
the Normal Vincent Peale supported the fallen,
and the Walter Winchell made mountains out of molehills.

/we’re gonna find out who the old farts are here

(Groan!)

384 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:07am

Speaking of Pentecostal churches, as we were a couple hundred comments ago, this is terribly sad: Oklahoma Pastor Found Dead Inside Her Church.

Brown said Daniels, who served as the church’s pastor for “many, many” years, was at the tiny, one-story building on Sunday for the off chance that a worshipper attended congregation.

Apparently it was so tiny, there were no regular members. The pastor drove 60 miles from Oklahoma City every Sunday, just in case someone needed spiritual guidance.

385 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:19am

re: #376 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(OT to punning)

Back when I was a kid, a company came out with three new bras:
the Mae West uplifted the masses,
the Normal Vincent Peale supported the fallen,
and the Walter Winchell made mountains out of molehills.

/we’re gonna find out who the old farts are here

PIMF … Norman Vincent Peale

386 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:21am

re: #373 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are they jiggling away?

That’s putting the sqeeze on em, spoken so firmly.

387 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:22am

Ah, this thread reminds me of the beautiful final verse of that wonderful song from Cats: “Mammary”

Touch me
It’s so easy to leave me
All alone with my mammary
And my days in the sun
If you touch me
You’ll understand what happiness is

Look
A new day has begun

388 Egregious Philbin  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:44am

John Kyle from AZ was on the radio today, and some nutcase birther asked him a question. He deftly told her to call his office, they have a response that they send out to birthers with the COLB and their reasons for why Obama was born in the USA and is rightfully president.

As for Franks? He is a nut, a one issue candidate (abortion), ultra fundie. Every time he is interviewed on any subject, he puts abortion into it somehow.

389 doppelganglander  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:17:24am

re: #376 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(OT to punning)

Back when I was a kid, a company came out with three new bras:
the Mae West uplifted the masses,
the Normal Vincent Peale supported the fallen,
and the Walter Winchell made mountains out of molehills.

/we’re gonna find out who the old farts are here

Yep, I got it. I’ll return to my nursing home now.

390 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:17:25am

OT

Just heard this on Limbaugh and was struck by it.

Q: How long would it take you to spend nine trillion dollars if you were spending at a rate of $100 per second?

A: Two-thousand, nine hundred years.

Think about that folks.

391 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:18:29am

re: #379 turn

That reminds me, I’ve got to book my hotel reservations. What else is cool to see in the area?

I’m not really sure - both OC and Rehobeth have decent beaches and some of the same stuff most small resort towns have (boardwalks, rides, bars, restaurants, etc.) I can’t really think of a whole lot of tourist attractions.

You should try to find a good crab place - avoid Phillips Seafood (huge chain) for crabs.

392 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:18:51am

re: #386 turn

That’s putting the sqeeze on em, spoken so firmly.

And soon I’ll have ‘em licked.

393 shortshrift  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:22am

re: #249 MandyManners

It’s their money but, I really hate the thought that corporations would try to suppress political speech.

Corporations can give political contributions, so I suppose that they can withdraw sponsorship for political reasons without bothering with commercial justifications. But why not simply put out a political commercial in the brand’s name, sending a message of love, unity and cleanliness? They get to promote brand awareness and political sensitivity at the same time.
It would also be more honest.

394 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:23am

re: #391 Mad Al-Jaffee

kewl, thanks.

395 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:39am

re: #390 elevenbravo1969

OT

Just heard this on Limbaugh and was struck by it.

Q: How long would it take you to spend nine trillion dollars if you were spending at a rate of $100 per second?

A: Two-thousand, nine hundred years.

Think about that folks.

Just goes to show that we’ve got some real pro’s in DC. It takes a lot of practice to spend this much in such a short period of time!

396 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:41am

re: #391 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m not really sure - both OC and Rehobeth have decent beaches and some of the same stuff most small resort towns have (boardwalks, rides, bars, restaurants, etc.) I can’t really think of a whole lot of tourist attractions.

You should try to find a good crab place - avoid Phillips Seafood (huge chain) for crabs.

Avoid street walkers for the same reason!

//

397 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #390 elevenbravo1969

OT

Just heard this on Limbaugh and was struck by it.

Q: How long would it take you to spend nine trillion dollars if you were spending at a rate of $100 per second?

A: Two-thousand, nine hundred years.

Think about that folks.

Social Security and Medicad’s unfunded mandates are something on the order 8x the deficit, add another 24 THOUSAND years…

398 KenJen  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:20:28am

re: #382 Bagua

Some sort of anti-vax conspiracy. Hard to keep up with all the nuttiness.

[Link: www.conspiracyplanet.com…]

Wow. So the anti-vaxers are infiltrating the Nirthers protests.

399 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:20:37am

re: #392 Mad Al-Jaffee

And soon I’ll have ‘em licked.

Yeah, I suck today but you’re sure giving us a mouthful.

400 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:21:25am

re: #397 jcm


Duly noted.

401 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:14am

re: #390 elevenbravo1969

OT

Just heard this on Limbaugh and was struck by it.

Q: How long would it take you to spend nine trillion dollars if you were spending at a rate of $100 per second?

A: Two-thousand, nine hundred years.

Think about that folks.

Drunken sailors would be more responsible than this bunch in Congress. And the sailors would also be spending their own money.
I’m all for replacing the Congress with a bunch of drunken sailors.

402 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:17am

re: #394 turn

No problem. You should do a couple of searches on chowhound.com for restaurant recommendations.

One I can really recommend is Thrasher’s boardwalk fries (with lots of salt and vinegar.)

403 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:24am

re: #110 tradewind

In a knock down between Panetta and Holder, I’ll take Panetta any day, which shows you how far gone and fubar’d this administration has become…
[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

And between Ashcroft and Gonzalas?

404 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #400 elevenbravo1969

Duly noted.

Better get to work, somebody’s got to pay it off…

405 victor_yugo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:41am

re: #398 KenJen

Wow. So the anti-vaxers are infiltrating the Nirthers protests.

I don’t get it. What do the Nirthers have against Digital Equipment?

406 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:52am

What the heck is wrong with the Governor of New York? Did he forget to take his meds?

407 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:23:38am

re: #401 LGoPs

Drunken sailors would be more responsible than this bunch in Congress. And the sailors would also be spending their own money.
I’m all for replacing the Congress with a bunch of drunken sailors.


Speaking from experience: drunken sailors are far too ethical to go along with that idea!

408 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:23:51am

re: #396 sattv4u2

Avoid street walkers for the same reason!

//

When I was a teenager I got those. I was really worried so I asked my dad what should I do. He said you know those swivel mirrors that have one side that enlarges the image? I said yes, I know them. He said go get one of those and pull you pants down and hold it up to you rear end. Ok, what then? He said they’ll see a bigger asshole than they are on and they’ll jump right off. ha, true story.

409 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #401 LGoPs

Drunken sailors would be more responsible than this bunch in Congress. And the sailors would also be spending their own money.
I’m all for replacing the Congress with a bunch of drunken sailors.

Okay, I’m willing to go. Tried throwing my hat in the ring earlier, but kept missing.

Urp!

410 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:17am

re: #406 WindHorse

What the heck is wrong with the Governor of New York? Did he forget to take his meds?

He’s just pissed that Obama stole all his “first” thunder.

411 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:25am

re: #398 KenJen

Wow. So the anti-vaxers are infiltrating the Nirthers protests.

It’s a crazy convergence. Ummm, I mean a convergence of the nutters.

412 elevenbravo1969  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:30am

re: #406 WindHorse

I believe it’s called a breakdown.

413 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:49am

re: #402 Mad Al-Jaffee

Most of the dinners will be coordinated throught the conference, but thanks again.

414 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:25:16am

I was almost scared to click on the “Kingman Daily Miner” . I have a “truther” bil who lives there.

415 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:25:35am

re: #406 WindHorse

What the heck is wrong with the Governor of New York? Did he forget to take his meds?

I linked to him Saturday. Not only is he using a race card, he’s throwing in the entire DECK

416 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:26:03am

re: #415 sattv4u2

I linked to him Saturday. Not only is he using a race card, he’s throwing in the entire DECK


Even the Jokers?

417 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #413 turn

Most of the dinners will be coordinated throught the conference, but thanks again.

I’m trying to think of what else there is to do in the area. If you have time, you could probably go on a deep sea fishing trip. People catch tuna and marlin out there.

418 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #416 96RoadKing

Even the Jokers?

Especially the jokers…

419 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #416 96RoadKing

Even the Jokers?

No, they’ve already been elected to the two highest offices.

:-)

420 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:26:54am

CONFIRMED ,, Holder appoints prosecuter to investigate CIA abuse

421 johnnyreb  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:27:02am

re: #415 sattv4u2

I linked to him Saturday. Not only is he using a race card, he’s throwing in the entire DECK

I suspect there will be a huge bombshell coming out on him soon. He is practicing advanced damage control.

422 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:27:53am

re: #405 victor_yugo

I don’t get it. What do the Nirthers have against Digital Equipment?

The DEC was stacked against that company.
It’s since been Compaqted.

423 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:27:55am

re: #338 turn

You can’t just lift one pun and separate it from all the others.

Cross your heart?

424 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:28:11am

re: #420 sattv4u2

CONFIRMED ,, Holder appoints prosecuter to investigate CIA abuse

That was quick. NYT just had up that Obama dumped it on Holders lap.

425 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #423 Silvergirl

Cross your heart?

For 18 hours.

426 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:28:34am

re: #421 johnnyreb

I suspect there will be a huge bombshell coming out on him soon. He is practicing advanced damage control.


Between the women and lousy governing, what can they get him on? Oh, no, not another Blago!

427 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #406 WindHorse

What the heck is wrong with the Governor of New York? Did he forget to take his meds?

He is one piece of work.

428 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:01am

re: #420 sattv4u2

CONFIRMED ,, Holder appoints prosecuter to investigate CIA abuse

Nothing on the New Black Panthers, then?

429 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:30am

re: #423 Silvergirl

Cross your heart?

If your name is Victoria, that’s a secret.

430 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:58am

re: #417 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m trying to think of what else there is to do in the area. If you have time, you could probably go on a deep sea fishing trip. People catch tuna and marlin out there.

That would be fun, I like deep sea fishing and haven’t fished the Atlantic.

431 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:30:05am

re: #424 Creeping Eruption

That was quick. NYT just had up that Obama dumped it on Holders lap.

They all work out of the same office so it’s easy to coordinate.
/

432 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:30:22am

re: #427 Silvergirl

The accidental governor can’t deal with the fact that he’s ill-prepared to be governor and lead. He’s been an abject failure and his only so-called solution is to attempt to play the race card. Even on this, he fails.

433 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:30:40am

re: #424 Creeping Eruption

That was quick. NYT just had up that Obama dumped it on Holders lap.

Yeah, this is really, really a bad idea.

In somewhat related news, Obama has now appointed a special unit of terrorist interrogators, who will be from the FBI instead of the CIA.

434 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:30:50am

re: #428 Ben Hur

Nothing on the New Black Panthers, then?

{crickets}

435 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:02am

re: #420 sattv4u2

CONFIRMED ,, Holder appoints prosecuter to investigate CIA abuse

I knew that f#$%er would do that. I hope Paneta chews him a new asshole.

436 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:05am

re: #430 turn

There’s also a race track a few miles from OC, I think in Berlin, MD.

437 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:10am

re: #429 Mad Al-Jaffee

If your name is Victoria, that’s a secret.


I suppose we can’t ask Frederick…He’s in Hollywood.

438 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #433 Last Mohican

This is going to bite the Obama administration’s ass, big time.

439 jvic  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:37am

re: #254 Baelzar

Palin to the left of me, Nirthers to the right, Supremacists, Creationists, FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

We’re doomed. It’s Democrats for the next 20 years, by which time it won’t matter anymore.

You and the worthy John Derbyshire may be on the same page.

440 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:44am

re: #435 turn

I knew that f#$%er would do that. I hope Paneta chews him a new asshole.

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

441 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #422 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The DEC was stacked against that company.
It’s since been Compaqted.

Here we go, another Gateway to more puns…

442 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:55am

re: #398 KenJen

Wow. So the anti-vaxers are infiltrating the Nirthers protests.

The mentally ill tend to show poor judgement.

443 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:11am

re: #437 96RoadKing

I suppose we can’t ask Frederick…He’s in Hollywood.

I Wonder why?

444 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #423 Silvergirl

Cross your heart?

I remember those commercials getting engrained in my head as a kid, that and oh I wish I were an Oscar Myer weiner …

445 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:21am

re: #424 Creeping Eruption

That was quick. NYT just had up that Obama dumped it on Holders lap.

I predict Leon Panetta will suddenly realize he needs to spend more time with his family and “resign” as Director of Central Intelligence.

446 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:28am

Dammit! Just one more reason I don’t want the freakin’ government running health care:

1,200 Gulf War Veterans Wrongly Told They Have ALS

At least 1,200 Gulf War veterans across the country have been mistakenly notified by the Veterans Administration that they suffer from a fatal neurological disease.

Hear that Congress? You dicks!

447 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:49am

re: #435 turn

I hope Paneta chews him a new asshole.


Holder is one big a-hole. Even Panetta couldn’t improve on it.

448 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:33:17am

re: #438 tradewind

This is going to bite the Obama administration’s ass get Americans killed, big time.

FTFY!

449 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #444 turn

I remember those commercials getting engrained in my head as a kid, that and oh I wish I were an Oscar Myer weiner …

How about, “My baloney has a first name, it’s O-s-c-a-r…”

450 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #433 Last Mohican

Yeah, this is really, really a bad idea.

In somewhat related news, Obama has now appointed a special unit of terrorist interrogators, who will be from the FBI instead of the CIA.


Oh, good.

FBI interrogator: Do you want to talk to us?
Terrorist: No.
FBI Interrogator: Oh…okay

451 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:33:53am

re: #445 Kenneth

He threatened to resign seven months ago in a screaming match…
Probably time for him to follow through. I wouldn’t want to be associated with what’s going to happen at what is left of the CIA…

452 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:33:58am

re: #436 Mad Al-Jaffee

There’s also a race track a few miles from OC, I think in Berlin, MD.

Another thing I like to do, we must be alot alike. Did I mention beer?

453 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:34:04am

re: #446 subsailor68

Dammit! Just one more reason I don’t want the freakin’ government running health care:

1,200 Gulf War Veterans Wrongly Told They Have ALS

At least 1,200 Gulf War veterans across the country have been mistakenly notified by the Veterans Administration that they suffer from a fatal neurological disease.

Hear that Congress? You dicks!

but ,, But ,, BUT Avanti is always telling us that the gov’t run VA hospitals work just as well as “private” ones do


I await the link that shows where the Mayo Clinic told 1200 patients they suffer from something that they don’t!

454 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:34:22am

re: #422 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The DEC was stacked against that company.
It’s since been Compaqted.

Even that company has now gone to a Higher Ppower

455 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:34:44am

re: #438 tradewind

This is going to bite the Obama administration’s ass, big time.

Perhaps. I think it’s going to do incalculable damage to the CIA, and therefore to American security, that lasts long after Obama’s presidency is over. It’s an incredibly bad idea.

CIA agents are risking their lives, trying to help Americans not get killed. If you want them to stop waterboarding, then you send them a memo, ordering them to cool it. You just don’t go starting criminal investigations.

456 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:35:14am

re: #441 BlueCanuck

Here we go, another Gateway to more puns…

I have this Crayven desire for them.

457 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:35:17am

re: #441 BlueCanuck

Here we go, another Gateway to more puns…

Are you getting Tandy on us?

458 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:35:30am

re: #452 turn

Another thing I like to do, we must be alot alike. Did I mention beer?

I’ve never actually been to a race track to gamble. I’ve only been to a couple for blues festivals. And I grew up in Laurel, MD, which has a pretty well known track.

Beer is good.

459 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:35:48am

re: #440 sattv4u2

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]

I read that this morning too. O coming out and saying he was against this was a big head fake, I hope this kills his ratings.

460 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:36:12am

re: #454 Kosh’s Shadow

Even that company has now gone to a Higher Ppower

I’m not very good at computer puns, but I’ll take a byte.

461 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:36:50am

re: #460 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m not very good at computer puns, but I’ll take a byte.

Go ahead, just RAM it through…

462 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #455 Last Mohican

Perhaps. I think it’s going to do incalculable damage to the CIA, and therefore to American security, that lasts long after Obama’s presidency is over. It’s an incredibly bad idea.

CIA agents are risking their lives, trying to help Americans not get killed. If you want them to stop waterboarding, then you send them a memo, ordering them to cool it. You just don’t go starting criminal investigations.

BINGO. Anyone who was thinking of entereing the CIA will now give pause. Anyone who is IN the CIA is probably spiffing up their resignation letters

463 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:37:24am

re: #446 subsailor68

Dammit! Just one more reason I don’t want the freakin’ government running health care:

1,200 Gulf War Veterans Wrongly Told They Have ALS

At least 1,200 Gulf War veterans across the country have been mistakenly notified by the Veterans Administration that they suffer from a fatal neurological disease.

Hear that Congress? You dicks!


I wonder if they included the VA End of Life manual with the notification?

464 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:37:26am

re: #454 Kosh’s Shadow

Even that company has now gone to a Higher Ppower

HP now has a Convex bulge of talent.

465 subsailor68  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:37:46am

re: #453 sattv4u2

but ,, But ,, BUT Avanti is always telling us that the gov’t run VA hospitals work just as well as “private” ones do

I await the link that shows where the Mayo Clinic told 1200 patients they suffer from something that they don’t!

Well said!! We actually have a Veteran’s Hospital in our town here in the Hill Country. A number of our doc’s went to the VA - got tired of trying to survive on Medicare reimbursement and getting drowned by malpractice premiums. Most don’t last very long. The medical folks (nurses,etc.) are great, but the bureaucracy is maddening.

466 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #461 BlueCanuck

Go ahead, just RAM it through…

Or perhaps chip away at it.

467 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:38:30am

re: #435 turn

I knew that f#$%er would do that. I hope Paneta chews him a new asshole.

Are we talking about the same Leon Panetta? The one that ran screaming to the left-wing press as soon as he discovered that, a few years ago, some CIA officers had an idea for a hypothetical new program that they might decide to implement, but they never told congress about it?

468 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:38:57am

John Durham has been appointed to conduct the investigations into the CIA interrogations.

469 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:39:47am

re: #444 turn

I remember those commercials getting engrained in my head as a kid, that and oh I wish I were an Oscar Myer weiner …

… that is what I’d truly like to be-e-e!
Cuz if I were an Oscar Mayer weiner
Everyone would be in love with me!

470 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:40:08am

re: #449 Mad Al-Jaffee

How about, “My baloney has a first name, it’s O-s-c-a-r…”

Watching the food channel over the weekend, thay had a series on the hotdog, pretty interesting.

471 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:40:11am

re: #451 tradewind

It sounds like Holder won that power struggle. Conveniently, Obama has gone on vacation and requested reporters leave him & his family alone.

472 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:40:19am
473 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:40:35am

re: #461 BlueCanuck

Go ahead, just RAM it through…

What th’ F-4?

/archaic Fairchild ref … I hope I got the chip name right.

474 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:40:54am

re: #466 MrSilverDragon

Or perhaps chip away at it.

I’m having a Dell of a time coming up with a good one. oh. one. oh.

475 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:41:58am

re: #449 Mad Al-Jaffee

How about, “My baloney has a first name, it’s O-s-c-a-r…”


That could go scrolling on TOTUS, substituting O-b-a-m-a

476 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:42:16am

re: #474 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m having a Dell of a time coming up with a good one. oh. one. oh.


Time to take a byte out of the Apple (MacIntosh, of course!)

477 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:42:19am

re: #474 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m having a Dell of a time coming up with a good one. oh. one. oh.

Having a Hal of a time, eh?

478 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:43:31am

re: #374 CommonCents

What can’t we afford?


more of the same.

479 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:43:52am

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

There was a great “Li’l Abner” series, years ago, where Dogpatch was threatened by a bird called the Bitingale, whose bite would cause you to radiate such immense heat that you would burn up if you were not refrigerated. Senator Fogbound gets the Yokums to volunteer to test a new government serum which will cure the Bitingale’s bite in a mere 24 hours. The entire family submits to Bitingale bites, and is injected with the serum—at which moment an aide comes running up with the terrible news that there was “a clerical error” in the report—instead of curing them in 24 hours, it will take 24 years.

That reminds me of a story about Al Capp. He was a great mocker of moonbats. Once he was speaking at a college campus, and a moonbat continually interrupted him with shouts of “Fuck you! Fuck you!” Capp let him shout for a while, then said, “now that you’ve told us your name, what’s your question?”

480 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #477 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Having a Hal of a time, eh?


Hmmm, this thread seems to be dumping a lot of data.

481 victor_yugo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44:21am

re: #477 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Having a Hal of a time, eh?

I’m afraid so, Dave.

482 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:44:42am

re: #467 Last Mohican

Are we talking about the same Leon Panetta? The one that ran screaming to the left-wing press as soon as he discovered that, a few years ago, some CIA officers had an idea for a hypothetical new program that they might decide to implement, but they never told congress about it?

Yes I know he is pandering to his supporters but he is also angry his officers are getting derided. We’ll just see what happens but this investigation will accomplish nothing and will harm our national security. The friggin jihadists must be laughing out loud at America.

483 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:45:09am

The dumb getting dumber…
Goldberg Compares VA Pamphlet to Nazi Eugenics

484 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:45:15am

re: #480 96RoadKing

Hmmm, this thread seems to be dumping a lot of data.

Someone needs to post a video of Marty Robbins singing “Big Iron”.

485 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:45:30am

re: #480 96RoadKing

Hmmm, this thread seems to be dumping a lot of data.

Before it did that dump, did it say “I have to BM?”

486 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:46:09am

re: #469 Silvergirl

… that is what I’d truly like to be-e-e!
Cuz if I were an Oscar Mayer weiner
Everyone would be in love with me!

That was one of the most effective jingles ever. Nathans countered back with Uncle Sam but I don’t even remember those commercials.

487 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:46:09am

re: #481 victor_yugo

I’m afraid so, Dave.

Too bad this isn’t post #2001.

488 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:46:34am
489 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:46:48am

re: #485 Mad Al-Jaffee

Before it did that dump, did it say “I have to BM?”


Naw. The screen just went blank and there’s a little flashing thingy in the upper left hand corner…

490 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:47:03am

re: #486 turn

That was one of the most effective jingles ever. Nathans countered back with Uncle Sam but I don’t even remember those commercials.

I like the old Hebrew National commercials. Something like “We answer to a higher authority.”

491 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:47:15am

re: #480 96RoadKing

Hmmm, this thread seems to be dumping a lot of data.

It’s the only way to SATA lust we have for puns.

492 doubter4444  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:47:23am

re: #462 sattv4u2

BINGO. Anyone who was thinking of entering the CIA will now give pause. Anyone who is IN the CIA is probably spiffing up their resignation letters

Not to be contrary, and I think that intelligence gathering is essential, and I think some of the people at the CIA are trying very hard to do good work, (lots of caveats!) but IMHO, the CIA sucks, and needs a deep cleansing and restructuring.
It’s gotten virtually NONE of the important events right over the last 50 years.
We have dozens of intelligence agencies, doing better work with out all the diva bullshit I see from the CIA.
I have several friends that work with them and they can’t stand the petty infighting and bureaucratic nonsense.
I’m not demeaning the individuals that work everyday in the cold, but it seems there is a lot messed up there, and something needs to be changed.

493 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:48:09am

re: #491 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It’s the only way to SATA lust we have for puns.

Now you are getting SCSI(scuzzy).

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:48:15am

re: #489 96RoadKing

Naw. The screen just went blank and there’s a little flashing thingy in the upper left hand corner…

… which elicited a prompt scream?

495 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:48:16am

New Thread time! See you guys and gals there.

496 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:48:53am

re: #494 pre-Boomer Marine brat

… which elicited a prompt scream?

And a lot of cursors.

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:49:00am

re: #493 BlueCanuck

Now you are getting SCSI(scuzzy).

*rimshot* !

498 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:49:02am

re: #492 doubter4444

Not to be contrary, and I think that intelligence gathering is essential, and I think some of the people at the CIA are trying very hard to do good work, (lots of caveats!) but IMHO, the CIA sucks, and needs a deep cleansing and restructuring.
It’s gotten virtually NONE of the important events right over the last 50 years.
We have dozens of intelligence agencies, doing better work with out all the diva bullshit I see from the CIA.
I have several friends that work with them and they can’t stand the petty infighting and bureaucratic nonsense.
I’m not demeaning the individuals that work everyday in the cold, but it seems there is a lot messed up there, and something needs to be changed.

Congress hasn’t helped. I recently read a book that mentioned some of the restrictions put on the CIA that, had they been free to operate, might have been able to prevent 9/11, or get Bin Laden afterwards.

499 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:49:06am

re: #490 Mad Al-Jaffee

They showed some of those in the food channel piece too. I’m goin gto have to try those, I don’t like hot dogs but the all beef might be pretty good. They’re supposed to have a snap to them when you bite into them.

500 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:49:17am

re: #495 Mad Al-Jaffee

New Thread time! See you guys and gals there.


What new thread? I think you’re unraveling!

501 96RoadKing  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:50:27am

re: #498 Kosh’s Shadow

Congress hasn’t helped. I recently read a book that mentioned some of the restrictions put on the CIA that, had they been free to operate, might have been able to prevent 9/11, or get Bin Laden afterwards.


As we were saying in the ‘70’s: Thank God for the Church Commission: we haven’t had this much time off since grade school!

502 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:51:35am

re: #453 sattv4u2

but ,, But ,, BUT Avanti is always telling us that the gov’t run VA hospitals work just as well as “private” ones do

I await the link that shows where the Mayo Clinic told 1200 patients they suffer from something that they don’t!

Or neglect to properly clean their colonoscopy equipment, exposing a bunch of patients to the risk of HIV and hepatitis.

503 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:52:11am

re: #496 BlueCanuck

And a lot BATCH of cursors.

Since we’re talking about DOS, … FTFY

504 turn  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:52:25am

lunch is over, bbl.

505 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #466 MrSilverDragon

Or perhaps chip away at it.

screen it

(Excuse me while I alternate my controls so I can delete the bad pun)

506 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:53:18am

re: #455 Last Mohican

Perhaps. I think it’s going to do incalculable damage to the CIA, and therefore to American security, that lasts long after Obama’s presidency is over. It’s an incredibly bad idea.

CIA agents are risking their lives, trying to help Americans not get killed. If you want them to stop waterboarding, then you send them a memo, ordering them to cool it. You just don’t go starting criminal investigations.

It’s calculated to do damage to the CIA.

507 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:53:54am

re: #503 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Since we’re talking about DOS, … FTFY

And with that REMark, I shall FILE out the door to a dental appointment.

/please, no cheering until I get logged off

508 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:54:58am

New Moon Photo Reveals Tracks from Tough Apollo Moonwalk
Think this will convince any of the nutcases that we really did land on the Moon?
Neither do I. But it is still an interesting article.

509 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:55:12am

re: #489 96RoadKing

Naw. The screen just went blank and there’s a little flashing thingy in the upper left hand corner…

Likes its security.

510 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:55:31am

re: #493 BlueCanuck

Now you are getting SCSI(scuzzy).

I have no IDE what you are talking about.

511 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:56:10am

re: #492 doubter4444

You have a good point, but this particular business is not the way to go about it.

Look for a flood of defensive leaking, which will be very, very bad for the country.

512 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #483 Killgore Trout

I see it in the headline. I don’t hear it.

Was it in the section that got skipped?

513 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

Never mind - I didn’t realize he’d said “Germans.”

514 jvic  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:04:40pm

Obama left this up to Holder?

Where, exactly, does the buck stop?

Pathetic.
***
re: #482 turn

Yes I know he is pandering to his supporters but he is also angry his officers are getting derided. We’ll just see what happens but this investigation will accomplish nothing and will harm our national security. The friggin jihadists must be laughing out loud at America.

Maybe not just our national security, but our democracy.

Suppose you’re a general, SecDef or President who has to make ruthless wartime decisions. You can now expect that, years later, your decisions will be scrutinized in depth by ambitious lawyers: lawyers who at best are amoral and at worst view victory as an atrocity. What do you do?

(I also agree with #492 doubter4444 that the CIA has serious problems, but getting Holder involved will only make them worse.)

515 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:05:18pm

re: #511 Dianna

You have a good point, but this particular business is not the way to go about it.

Look for a flood of defensive leaking, which will be very, very bad for the country.

If I were in the CIA, I would create myself a new identity and disappear.

516 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:06:05pm

re: #514 jvic

Obama left this up to Holder?

Where, exactly, does the buck stop?

Pathetic.
***


Maybe not just our national security, but our democracy.

Suppose you’re a general, SecDef or President who has to make ruthless wartime decisions. You can now expect that, years later, your decisions will be scrutinized in depth by ambitious lawyers: lawyers who at best are amoral and at worst view victory as an atrocity. What do you do?

(I also agree with #492 doubter4444 that the CIA has serious problems, but getting Holder involved will only make them worse.)

Banana republic time.

517 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:08:38pm
518 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:11:05pm

Is anybody here?

519 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:11:24pm

re: #518 Dianna

Is anybody here?

BOO!

520 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:11:40pm

re: #518 Dianna

Is anybody here?

Nobody but us mice.

/

521 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:12:05pm

re: #518 Dianna

Is anybody here?

I crashed the thread with my computer pun…

522 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:12:30pm

re: #521 jcm

I crashed the thread with my computer pun…

No big deal. We just rebooted.

523 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:15:00pm

Any computer nerds out there who know how someone can use my internal mail server to send email to third parties (not me)? I have forwarding turned off…

They’re bogging down my server to the point where it won’t run.

524 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:15:05pm

And then it crashed once again. Must be running Windows 98.

525 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:16:09pm

I needed distraction.

I’m summarizing something I actually approve of (it doesn’t have a prayer, but still), but it’s got me thinking about the problem of one good-sized rock hitting Earth.

526 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:16:35pm

re: #523 eschew_obfuscation

Do a scan for viruses or bots. Check to see what processes are running through task manager (ctrl+alt+delete). A start, and that is about where my knowledge ends.

527 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:17:31pm

re: #522 BlueCanuck

No big deal. We just rebooted.

*rubs backside*

Dang, that smarts.

528 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:17:45pm

re: #526 BlueCanuck

Do a scan for viruses or bots. Check to see what processes are running through task manager (ctrl+alt+delete). A start, and that is about where my knowledge ends.

Thanks… I have scanned for malware, but I should identify all the processes running.

I suspect this is coming from outside though.

529 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:17:53pm
530 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:18:32pm

re: #523 eschew_obfuscation

Any computer nerds out there who know how someone can use my internal mail server to send email to third parties (not me)? I have forwarding turned off…

They’re bogging down my server to the point where it won’t run.

You need to make sure the server requires a login, for one thing.
And by now, you are probably on a lot of antispam blacklists.

Once you have the server only working for email clients with accounts, you can look at the logs to find out if any accounts have been compromised and are being used for the spamming.

531 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:19:13pm

re: #483 Killgore Trout

The dumb getting dumber…
Goldberg Compares VA Pamphlet to Nazi Eugenics

[Video]

Oh for the love of Pete.

532 Jack Burton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:19:39pm

re: #525 Dianna

I needed distraction.

I’m summarizing something I actually approve of (it doesn’t have a prayer, but still), but it’s got me thinking about the problem of one good-sized rock hitting Earth.

“There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!”

533 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #525 Dianna

I needed distraction.

I’m summarizing something I actually approve of (it doesn’t have a prayer, but still), but it’s got me thinking about the problem of one good-sized rock hitting Earth.

The site space.com has articles on this. A while ago, the “Torino scale” was invented to give the risk, but I haven’t seen it used in years.
BTW, Congress ordered NASA to find something like 90% of the asteroids that could be a problem, and then didn’t fund the effort, so they’re way behind.

534 jcm  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:20:40pm

re: #523 eschew_obfuscation

Any computer nerds out there who know how someone can use my internal mail server to send email to third parties (not me)? I have forwarding turned off…

They’re bogging down my server to the point where it won’t run.

Sound like you have a zombie on your hands.

535 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:21:00pm

re: #531 Sharmuta

That’s what happens when people revise history.

536 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:21:45pm

re: #531 Sharmuta

Although the video originally came from TPM I found it at GatewayPundit where they thought it was genius.

537 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:24:11pm

re: #530 Kosh’s Shadow

You need to make sure the server requires a login, for one thing.
And by now, you are probably on a lot of antispam blacklists.

Once you have the server only working for email clients with accounts, you can look at the logs to find out if any accounts have been compromised and are being used for the spamming.

Ahhh… thanks much! I’ll get on it.

538 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:27:00pm

re: #533 Kosh’s Shadow

The site space.com has articles on this. A while ago, the “Torino scale” was invented to give the risk, but I haven’t seen it used in years.
BTW, Congress ordered NASA to find something like 90% of the asteroids that could be a problem, and then didn’t fund the effort, so they’re way behind.

Yes, that’s the sort of thing that gives me palpitations.

539 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:29:16pm

re: #535 Killgore Trout

That’s what happens when people revise history.

Which part is revised?

540 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:30:08pm
541 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #514 jvic

Obama made the decision. Holder is doing his job. Good attack doggie. Good doggie.

542 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:36:12pm

re: #538 Dianna

Yes, that’s the sort of thing that gives me palpitations.

I’d suggest a good spot for a meteor to hit; not a real huge one, though.
I figure maybe one meteorite could go visit another one, if you know where I mean. I suggest not posting the location, though.

543 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:38:50pm

re: #542 Kosh’s Shadow

I don’t want any major asteroid strikes anywhere.

544 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:38:53pm

re: #536 Killgore Trout

Although the video originally came from TPM I found it at GatewayPundit where they thought it was genius.

I’m sure they did.

545 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:40:44pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

I’m sure they did.

Want don’t you actually go to Gateway Pundit and read all the SIX comments.

And I’d really like to know where in that 1:25 video there was any historical revisionism.

546 jvic  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:45:15pm

re: #541 Kenneth

Obama made the decision. Holder is doing his job. Good attack doggie. Good doggie.

Could be. Sounds reasonable. Point taken.

But IMHO the perception that a President evaded a key decision can be as damaging as his actually evading it.

547 Dianna  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:54:13pm

No new thread. This thread is not breathing and I suspect hasn’t much of a heartbeat left.

Hrmph.

548 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:55:07pm

*thump thump*


*thump thump*

549 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:55:49pm

An interesting glimpse into the Paulian mind…
Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell chat (link found on Stormfront)

Skip to 2:00 to hear his views on possible political violence stemming from Healthcare Reform.

550 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:56:18pm

Alright, I am done for the day. Take care all. And hopefully things will pick up later.

551 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:59:59pm

re: #546 jvic

Plausible deniable, that’s all it is. Obama want to distance himself from it and pretend his AG has “autonomy”. Obama’s standard OM is to take a studied stance of being “above it all”. It’s just a stance, not reality.

552 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:04:46pm

Koskidz: LoonWatch Explores the Underworld of Anti-Muslim Blogging

The anti-Muslim blogosphere is a cesspool of some of the most vile hatred and misinformation on the internet. The anti-Muslims cover a wide spectrum though most can be found slithering in the Right-Wing. They range from academics such as Daniel Pipes, self-declared scholars like Robert Spencer and his JihadWatch, to open racists such as Debbie Schlussel, Pamela Geller and the blog Gates of Vienna.

It should be noted that the anti-Muslim blogosphere is not a monolith, they come from various, mostly conservative backgrounds but are only united by a hatred of Islam and Muslims. So it is no surprise that this bloc has in the past turned on one another. The most glaring feud being the one between Charles Johnson (Little Green Footballs) and JihadWatch’s Robert Spencer; a feud that broke out over whether or not the anti-Muslims should join forces with European neo-fascists.

553 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:07:24pm

re: #552 Killgore Trout

From the comments…
Atlas Juggs

Pretty good impression

554 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:32:12pm

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: LoonWatch Explores the Underworld of Anti-Muslim Blogging

But they think their own Jew-hatred is just fine.

555 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:34:18pm

If Charles is looking, I wonder if some lizards are having trouble logging in.
In Noscript, I had to allow Googleapis or the login button stayed grayed out.

556 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:40:47pm

re: #508 Kosh’s Shadow

New Moon Photo Reveals Tracks from Tough Apollo Moonwalk
Think this will convince any of the nutcases that we really did land on the Moon?
Neither do I. But it is still an interesting article.

Of course not. The conspiracy will simply expand to encompass some bizarre, knuckle-dragging explanation of this, along with everything else. Most likely “explanation”: faked photos.

557 Kenneth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:55:36pm

For the wee-weed up Democrats who don’t understand why the war in Afghanistan is taking so long..

“Seven reasons why Afghan army building is a slow process”

Yglesias asks, WRT training the ANA: why is it taking so long?

I don’t have a complete answer to that question. There’s a couple issues here, that I’ve tried to hint at in posts below going back to April when I got back. What I can say fairly certainly is this: at some point in this game, saying something takes a long time is going to be the equivalent of saying it’s impossible. And raising an army in a country where security is this uncertain may well be impossible in a realistic timescale for us.

Now, you say, jeez, lots of countries have raised armies during wars, so what’s the big deal? Here’s what I would characterize as some of the major unresolved issues we’re facing:

1. Building anew is harder than renovating.
2. Multinational coalitions are inherently less efficient at army building.
3. Force protection measures in a warzone limit mentoring.
4. We still have limited experience with the culture at our command levels.
5. Giving someone independence before you give them an army limits what you can do later.
6. Growing in size and in quality at the same time is hard.
7. Risk aversion: in some ways, we’ve taught them too well.
558 Jack Burton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #554 Kosh’s Shadow

But they think their own Jew-hatred is just fine.

And they also see nothing wrong with saying that LGF contains “hatred of Islam and Muslims.”

Last time I checked, those who can’t distinguish between Muslims in general and Jihadis are usually shown the door. That’s part of the reason for the feud they mention but apparently are incapable of comprehending… but then again KOSsaks are as estranged from critical thinking as the shrieking harpy is.

559 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 2:07:16pm

re: #554 Kosh’s Shadow

But they think their own Jew-hatred is just fine.

Loonwatch? They must be busy monitoring their own site.

560 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:08:09pm

re: #555 Kosh’s Shadow

If Charles is looking, I wonder if some lizards are having trouble logging in.
In Noscript, I had to allow Googleapis or the login button stayed grayed out.

Yes, ‘googleapis’ is the Google content server, and to speed things up I’ve started loading the jQuery Javascript file from there. (It’s a recommended practice, helps the pages load faster.)

And that’s a perfect example of why I wrote the other day that I wasn’t too crazy about NoScript, by the way. It hides problems like this.

561 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:26:12pm

re: #48 OldLineTexan

nirthers = fundies = guns?

Watch videos of demonstrations, it’s a menagerie of assholes:

Fundies - Check
Guns - Check
9/11 was an inside job - Check
Obama Hitler - Check
Where’s your birth certificate, Mr. “transparency” - Check

A+B+C+D+E = …

I equate, you decide™.

I don’t condone childish nonsense from the left or the right, I just want people to think clearly, speak clearly, and work toward solutions to problems. This petty bickering and name calling is a tired practice.

562 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:36:33pm

re: #48 OldLineTexan

nirthers = fundies = guns?

re: #55 Charles

Notice that the meeting took place at an Assemblies of God church — the ultra-fundamentalist Pentecostal sect that does not believe in separation of church and state.

If the shoe fits…

563 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:07pm

re: #71 Desert Dog

I never attended any, but for a different reason. Although, I will go to the next Tea Party “event” here in AZ, if they have one. I want to see with my own two green eyes what the deal is. I will be sure and bring the video cam and the Nikon.

Nikon makes a quality product.

564 Hector1980  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:35:41pm

I don’t know if this has been posted before, but it’s hilarious:

[Link: kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com…]

565 chron1813  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:45:00am

re: #64 Charles

The tea party itself was pretty calm. A few speakers who didn’t say anything new to about 1000 people. I was a bit disappointed in the entire event, to be honest. It’s not difficult to make strong arguments against socialized medicine, but most of the event seemed to be name calling and rabble rousing.

(Thanks for the Flickr link Charles.)

566 JEA62  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 9:18:33am

The fact that there is no evidence to support this claim should be enough evidence to support this claim.

567 bopone  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 1:16:14pm

This should be updated. Franks is now denying that he is going to file a lawsuit. Either he had an attack of sane or someone sane leaned on him hard.


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