More Scenes From a Tea Party

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A few more photos from the Washington DC tea party demonstration, starting with one of the most repulsive posters I think I’ve ever seen.

“Stop him now before it’s to [sic] late! It’s not about Obamacare it’s about power! When we smell the burning flesh from the ovens it will be to [sic] late for us all!”

Yes, that’s right. This person really seems to believe that Obama is going to set up death camps.

Ugh.

Once you’ve exhausted the Hitler analogies, what’s left? Only … Satan!

Here’s one that combines Birtherism with good old-fashioned “go back to Africa” racism. Notice that there’s another one of those “We came unarmed … this time” signs behind it.

And last but not least, a couple of patriots advocating a military coup.

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1 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:32:31pm
And last but not least, a couple of patriots advocating a military coup.

For folks who claim to love the Constitution, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

2 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:21pm

The Declaration of Independence is a pretty radical document when it comes down to it.

The question I have is what percentage of the demonstrators were this far out?

3 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:36:39pm

I attended the local tea party here last spring. I didn’t see anything like this. If I had, I would have turned around and gone home.

I do not understand why reasonable people would be willing to march or stand next to this.

(I’ll say it before you all do: This isn’t the Tea Party I knew. Well, it isn’t.)

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:38:16pm

Even Fark and Digg are linking to flickr accounts of Tea Party pics. Lots of people are having a good laugh.

5 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:39:42pm

Charles,

My only correction is that Honduras was not involved in a military coup, as your last sentence seems to suggest you to believe. Deposing Zelaya was approved and ordered by the country’s supreme sourt and executed by the attorney general. He was trying to extend his term limit in flagrant violation to the Honduran constitution.

Idiots and dipshits in the U.S. may of course co-opt what happened in Honduras for their own ends.

6 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:41:20pm

Honduras is about to hold elections as normally scheduled.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:41:32pm

re: #5 medaura18586

Charles,

My only correction is that Honduras was not involved in a military coup, as your last sentence seems to suggest you to believe. Deposing Zelaya was approved and ordered by the country’s supreme sourt and executed by the attorney general. He was trying to extend his term limit in flagrant violation to the Honduran constitution.

Idiots and dipshits in the U.S. may of course co-opt what happened in Honduras for their own ends.

Quite true. The “military coup” in Honduras was a fully legal and constitutional process. That would not be the case in this country.

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:42:28pm

re: #5 medaura18586

Charles,

My only correction is that Honduras was not involved in a military coup, as your last sentence seems to suggest you to believe. Deposing Zelaya was approved and ordered by the country’s supreme sourt and executed by the attorney general. He was trying to extend his term limit in flagrant violation to the Honduran constitution.

Idiots and dipshits in the U.S. may of course co-opt what happened in Honduras for their own ends.

I disagree. The military broke into the president’s house, arrested him, and deported him, by force. That’s the very definition of a military coup.

Whether it was justified or not is a different issue. That was a coup.

9 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:43:08pm

And urrgh… My first comment contains some alarmingly unidiomatic usages of prepositions.

/must be tired.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:43:29pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

Quite true. The “military coup” in Honduras was a fully legal and constitutional process. That would not be the case in this country.

In Honduras that may be the case. But when the military deposes an elected leader, I have no hesitation at all about calling it a “coup.”

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:44:38pm

And whatever the case with Honduras, the people with the sign above are clearly calling for a coup.

12 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #10 Charles

I heard that the U.S. State department was extremely reluctant to call it a “coup” (even though many may have believed it to be one) because it would have led to really problematic politics…(apparently, if a country in Latin America is taken over by a military coup — then the U.S. is required, by law, to impose sanctions, etc., etc.)

13 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:20pm

The signs aren’t even original. They are copies of the ANSWER signs, but with Obama’s face instead of Bush.

14 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:21pm

Helping or hurting, Tea Parties? Helping or hurting?

15 arethusa  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:46:26pm

I’d really like to ask the guys with the yellow sign in the last picture how Obama can be an usurper when he was elected. By about 6 percentage points over his opponent.

First Bush Derangement Syndrome, then Palin Derangement Syndrome, now Obama Derangement Syndrome. Don’t we ever learn?

16 KingKenrod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:47:38pm

Here’s one that dispenses with any kind of subtlety:

[Link: s3.amazonaws.com…]

17 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:48:42pm

re: #11 Charles

And whatever the case with Honduras, the people with the sign above are clearly calling for a coup.

I agree. There are legal ways to oust the president, but even these idiots must know that it can’t happen a.) with a Democratic congress and b.) without a credible allegation of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

18 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:49:00pm

re: #2 Perplexed

The Declaration of Independence is a pretty radical document when it comes down to it.

The question I have is what percentage of the demonstrators were this far out?

Did you have the same question about anti-war protesters or anti-Israel protesters where similarly vile messages were found?

19 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:49:23pm

Isn’t “dust” another word for kill?

20 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:49:57pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

I agree. There are legal ways to oust the president, but even these idiots must know that it can’t happen a.) with a Democratic congress and b.) without a credible allegation of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

That didn’t stop me from seeing a bona fide “Impeach Obama” shirt on the Mall yesterday.

21 Arbalest  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:51:12pm

I think the yellow banner reads “Oust the Marxist “, not “Dust …”

22 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:51:38pm

re: #20 Coracle

That didn’t stop me from seeing a bona fide “Impeach Obama” shirt on the Mall yesterday.

Nothing wrong with that—-about as likely as me being elected pope, but it’s not advocating anything illegal.

23 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:52:17pm

re: #2 Perplexed

The Declaration of Independence is a pretty radical document when it comes down to it.

The question I have is what percentage of the demonstrators were this far out?

It doesn’t matter, does it? One was enough to cancel out any positive effect these demonstrations may have had.

24 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:52:23pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel

Nothing wrong with that—-about as likely as me being elected pope, but it’s not advocating anything illegal.

Absolutely true. Just not exactly hinged.

25 Jesse  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:53:44pm

Come on. These signs were a very very small minority. Most were about Big Government. In any group there’s always going to be a small minority that takes thing to extremes.

26 TedStriker  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:53:48pm

re: #14 wiffersnapper

Helping or hurting, Tea Parties? Helping or hurting?

Definitely hurting…every right-wing kook with a cause has not only latched onto the idea, but are active in their organization and planning (and have been from day one, IIRC).

27 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:54:38pm

Pretty much the same shit I saw over the previous eight years only the faces on the posters have changed.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:54:45pm

re: #13 Alouette

The signs aren’t even original. They are copies of the ANSWER signs, but with Obama’s face instead of Bush.

Well, these guys don’t have funding from Soros, so they have to scavenge…

///

29 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:54:56pm

re: #25 Jesse

Come on. These signs were a very very small minority. Most were about Big Government. In any group there’s always going to be a small minority that takes thing to extremes.

I think Charles has done an excellent job showing that thes signs were not the minority. I did a bit of research myself and this type of behavior was evident throughout the rally.

30 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:54:58pm

re: #8 Charles

From Wikipedia (delving into semantics here):

A coup d’état (pronounced /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, us dict: kōō′·dā·tâ′), or coup for short, is the sudden unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government, usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another, either civil or military.

…emphasis mine. The deposition was the very opposite of unconstitutional: it was ordered by the supreme court. To us that sounds like an awkward legal channel for authorizing the use of force, but it’s merely the way the checks and balances are designed to work in Honduras. The action was not sudden either, as in, a sudden ad hoc response to Zelaya’s conduct. It was following the procedural script.

The use of force in and of itself does not render a deposition a coup.

31 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:55:08pm

re: #27 jorline

Pretty much the same shit I saw over the previous eight years only the faces on the posters have changed.

And the same apologetics for it from the opposite side.

32 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:55:43pm

re: #25 Jesse

Except in this case, the fringe was organizing the event.

33 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:55:44pm

“Only a small part of the meat in your stew is rotten.”

34 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:56:13pm

re: #33 jaunte

“Only a small part of the meat in your stew is rotten.”

Nice one!

35 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:56:44pm

re: #34 Coracle

We can try to eat around it!

36 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:56:56pm

Sadly it seems to me that many unthoughtful people on the right see this as payback for the eight years of crazy, unhinged leftwing hatred that conservatives had to endure during the Bush Presidency.

And in so doing they have become the very thing which they once claimed to despise.

All of it - from both sides - is poisonous.

37 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:57:01pm

re: #33 jaunte

“Only a small part of the meat in your stew is rotten.”

Nice imagery there…I’m trying to eat.

38 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:57:24pm

re: #37 BignJames

Sorry about that.

39 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:57:42pm

re: #16 KingKenrod

Here’s one that dispenses with any kind of subtlety:

[Link: s3.amazonaws.com…]

“Obama’s HR 3200=Hitler’s T4”

Incredible. We are seriously through the looking glass here. Someone in the GOP leadership needs to “cherry pick” these reckless fools and comprehensively denounce them, in a paid half hour TV spot if necessary.
Unfortunately, nobody in the GOP has that kind of gravitas just now. Maybe someone could establish it, though, just by making such an all-out Beck-be-damned denunciation. It would be a great risk, to be sure, but the rewards could be even greater.

40 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:58:28pm

re: #21 Arbalest

I think the yellow banner reads “Oust the Marxist “, not “Dust …”

Thanks.

41 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:58:48pm

Supper BBIAB

42 rwmofo  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:58:51pm

Cutler just got intercepted!

Go Broncos!

Heh.

43 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:59:00pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel

I think what you are asking for is a politician with balls and as of right now, there are very few of those left especially on the right.

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 5:59:48pm

re: #30 medaura18586

From Wikipedia (delving into semantics here):

…emphasis mine. The deposition was the very opposite of unconstitutional: it was ordered by the supreme court. To us that sounds like an awkward legal channel for authorizing the use of force, but it’s merely the way the checks and balances are designed to work in Honduras. The action was not sudden either, as in, a sudden ad hoc response to Zelaya’s conduct. It was following the procedural script.

The use of force in and of itself does not render a deposition a coup.

I realize that according to the Honduras constitution this was a legal action. That’s not the issue for me. I’m speaking as an American who believes that the military should never have the power to depose an elected leader, no matter what.

Honduras doesn’t have the legal infrastructure in place to allow a peaceful transfer of power in the case of presidential misconduct — I get that. Instead, they have a system that facilitates military coups.

45 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:00:14pm

OT - Norman Borlaug, the man who saved a billion lives, died today:

[Link: online.wsj.com…]

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:00:31pm

re: #43 Jetpilot1101

I think what you are asking for is a politician with balls and as of right now, there are very few of those left especially on the right.

Maybe I should announce my candidacy for president. Anyone got a spare $200 million they would like to pitch in to get things rolling?

47 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:00:37pm

re: #30 medaura18586

There’s some indications that H. Clinton may come out and officially declare it to have been “a coup”…and that, in turn, would mean Congress is required to imposed harsh trade sanctions/penalties, etc. Link here..

48 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:01:11pm

What I see when I look at these pictures, just as I saw when I looked at similar images from the previous eight years, are adults with the maturity level of pre-schoolers…In fact, my 3 year old daughter is actually more mature.

49 avanti  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:01:12pm

Size matters from 538.com, so do lies. com


” But yesterday, someone told a real whopper. ABC News, citing the DC fire department, reported that between 60,000 and 70,000 people had attended the tea party rally at the Capitol. By the time this figure reached Michelle Malkin, however, it had been blown up to 2,000,000. There is a big difference, obviously, between 70,000 and 2,000,000. That’s not a twofold or threefold exaggeration — it’s roughly a thirtyfold exaggeration.

The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn’t “in error”, as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long.”

50 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:01:42pm

The sleepers are really coming out of the woodwork.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:01:56pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Isn’t “dust” another word for kill?

I think it says ‘oust’. Thank God.

52 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #10 Charles

In Honduras that may be the case. But when the military deposes an elected leader, I have no hesitation at all about calling it a “coup.”

But in this case, the military was not acting on its own behalf, but rather following legitimate orders — and that’s the crucial distinction. In the U.S. the president is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces. In Honduras, the response to the historic tendency of Latin American presidents to usurp power, ultimate authority over the military has been conferred to the supreme court, rather than to the president.

re: #11 Charles

And whatever the case with Honduras, the people with the sign above are clearly calling for a coup.

That, on the other hand, is very true. Only that I think these kooks were likewise confused over what happened in Honduras. The key element for them was “use of force.” The rest of the considerations are just fillers, as far as such thick skulls are concerned.

53 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #43 Jetpilot1101

I think what you are asking for is a politician with balls and as of right now, there are very few of those left especially on the right.

John McCain is about the only one that leaps to mind immediately.

54 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:34pm

*whew* - those are pretty bad.

55 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:42pm

re: #53 Enkidu90046

John McCain is about the only one that leaps to mind immediately.

I think you are right. It would be nice for him and a few others to out and out denounce these morons and tell Beck to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

56 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:48pm

re: #54 FrogMarch

*whew* - those are pretty bad.

Ya think?

57 midwestgak  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:55pm

re: #42 rwmofo

Cutler just got intercepted!

Go Broncos!

Heh.

Go Bears. Heh. Bears are playing the Packers.

58 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:03:57pm

re: #53 Enkidu90046

John McCain is about the only one that leaps to mind immediately.

John McCain has balls? Not John McCain the politician.

59 Sloppy  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:04:59pm

The whole tea party thing has smelled iffy from the start. I’m glad I gave it a wide berth.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:05:12pm

re: #52 medaura18586

That, on the other hand, is very true. Only that I think these kooks were likewise confused over what happened in Honduras. The key element for them was “use of force.” The rest of the considerations are just fillers, as far as such thick skulls are concerned.

A good point. I could be wrong but it seems unlikely that the goofs with the sign understand the fine points of the Honduran constitution or the history behind it. Come to think of it, they may not even know what part of the world Honduras is in.

61 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:05:39pm

OT—

September is Emergency Preparation Day.

What would happen to your elderly in an emergency? Some of the most vulnerable are the elderly, who are physically frail, and may no longer own a car. Others need to take medications with them, and are more likely to suffer the physical downsides of natural disasters and inclement weather.

Deciding now who would be in charge of checking on Grandma and Great Uncle, and having their meds written down clearly and that list available, would go a long way to assuring the safety of our elderly.

62 arethusa  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:05pm

re: #58 TheMatrix31

John McCain has balls? Not John McCain the politician.

What do you call taking unpopular stances, including against your own party?

Not saying he always makes the right stand, but frankly if I had to stake my life on a politician in Washington having cojones, he’d make the shortlist.

63 TedStriker  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:32pm

re: #53 Enkidu90046

John McCain is about the only one that leaps to mind immediately.

John McCain had balls, but the Donks locked them away in Hillary’s testicular lockbox during the campaign…I don’t think he’s been the same since.

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:34pm

re: #61 EmmmieG

Month. September is a month. In all 50 states and Canada.

65 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:35pm

re: #55 Jetpilot1101

I think you are right. It would be nice for him and a few others to out and out denounce these morons and tell Beck to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he does exactly that (more publicly than he already has) in the month to come. Courage and integrity are things that John McCain possesses in spades, even when it is not politically expedient… and for that, I have always admired him (and the reason I registered as a Republican in 2000… a decision I may change if this madness continues).

66 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:47pm

re: #62 arethusa

What do you call taking unpopular stances, including against your own party?

Not saying he always makes the right stand, but frankly if I had to stake my life on a politician in Washington having cojones, he’d make the shortlist.

He did for me until he chose his veep.

67 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:06:58pm

re: #53 Enkidu90046

McCain has tried to talk sense…

Youtube Video

Conservatives won’t allow it.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:07:44pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

Month. September is a month. In all 50 states and Canada.

Also, much of Europe, and, IIRC, in some African nations.

But preparedness is still good.

69 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:07:48pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

McCain has tried to talk sense…

[Video]

Conservatives won’t allow it.

I keep thinking McCain circa 2000 would have eaten them for lunch.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:08:06pm

re: #66 Coracle

He did for me until he chose his veep.

You too?

71 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:08:17pm

We are not lacking leadership, it’s the base that’s gone off the rails.

72 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:08:20pm

re: #63 talon_262

He’s finding them again.

73 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:08:34pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

We are not lacking leadership, it’s the base that’s gone off the rails.

A lot of the leadership too.

74 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:09:00pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

You too?

Yes. I would have been very torn in the election, if it were McCain of 2000 running.

75 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:09:03pm

re: #66 Coracle

He did for me until he chose his veep.

That shook me too, but in the end, I still voted for him.

76 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:09:20pm

So we have rampant crazines on the right and the left. There have got to be more of us out there that are absolutley disgusted with what politics has become in this country. Could a rational person rally a third party and start making some headway in the system? I’m thinking something like the Rationalist would be a catchy name.

77 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:09:44pm

I think it might be time for a Peter Sinclair video.

78 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:10:15pm

re: #62 arethusa

John McCain the politician has lost the mojo of John McCain the person. The guy ran the worst campaign of all time because he refused to touch on issues that he should have touched on way more.

79 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:10:41pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

McCain has tried to talk sense…

Conservatives won’t allow it.

Looking at that audience I’m pretty sure that most of them are glad that Operation Coffee Cup did not succeed.

80 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:10:42pm

re: #63 talon_262

John McCain had balls, but the Donks locked them away in Hillary’s testicular lockbox during the campaign…I don’t think he’s been the same since.

I think he kept pawning them every couple of weeks during the campaign, as when he went for the ignoramus vote by describing the Adler Planetarium’s new projector system as “$2 million for an overhead projector,” implying that it was a simple office machine rather than the hugely complex piece of equipment it is.

81 Airedale  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:11:19pm

Must be ex world can’t wait followers now that “bushitler” has fallen out of the flavor of the month club.

they use to calll Bush “chimpy”

See what happens if that term is adapted to Barack

82 Kevlaur  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:11:23pm

Like any protest, you will have those who are a little more, shall we say, zealous? However, these signs pale in comparison to what we saw during the Bush years. And THAT is a fact.

83 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:11:38pm

re: #76 Jetpilot1101

So we have rampant crazines on the right and the left. There have got to be more of us out there that are absolutley disgusted with what politics has become in this country. Could a rational person rally a third party and start making some headway in the system? I’m thinking something like the Rationalist would be a catchy name.

I posted some days back - a true centrist party would steal from the moderates of both sides. It would take several election cycles, and would serve more as a spoiler for the current majority party during that time. If it held fast to the Center, it could win in 2020 or 2024

84 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:11:55pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

McCain has tried to talk sense…

Conservatives won’t allow it.

Sooner or later, as the wack-jobs command more power, the “angry” McCain will come back out again, and I, for one, will be happy to see it.

85 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #82 Kevlaur

Like any protest, you will have those who are a little more, shall we say, zealous? However, these signs pale in comparison to what we saw during the Bush years. And THAT is a fact.

I’d say they are about the same. There was some pretty bad crazinees going on during those years from the left. Either way, the signs belong in the sewer and the people should go back to that same sewer.

86 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:13:06pm

re: #82 Kevlaur

Like any protest, you will have those who are a little more, shall we say, zealous? However, these signs pale in comparison to what we saw during the Bush years. And THAT is a fact.

You’re dreaming.

87 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:13:24pm

David Frum:

“We conservatives are submitting our movement to some of the most unscrupulous people in American life. This submission disgraces conservatism, discredits Republicans, and damages the country. It’s beyond time for conservatives who know better to join us at NewMajority in emancipating ourselves from leadership by the most stupid, the most cynical, and the most truthless.”


[Link: www.newmajority.com…]

88 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:13:52pm

re: #82 Kevlaur

Like any protest, you will have those who are a little more, shall we say, zealous? However, these signs pale in comparison to what we saw during the Bush years. And THAT is a fact.

No, it isn’t… it is an opinion, and one that I happen to disagree with strongly.

89 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:14:05pm

Uh oh. We have another raging down-dinger.

90 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:14:12pm

re: #83 Coracle

I posted some days back - a true centrist party would steal from the moderates of both sides. It would take several election cycles, and would serve more as a spoiler for the current majority party during that time. If it held fast to the Center, it could win in 2020 or 2024

It would be nice to see because as of right now, between pliticians supporting birthirism and creationism, the GOP field is getting mighty thin and I don’t have a lot of choices for whom to vote.

91 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:15:15pm

re: #73 Charles

It also doesn’t help that Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and Joe the Plumber are considered “leadership”.

92 Kevlaur  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:15:30pm

You think, Coracle? Bush wanted dead or alive? Honk if you hate Bush? Ring any bells?

93 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:16:07pm

re: #90 Jetpilot1101

It would be nice to see because as of right now, between pliticians supporting birthirism and creationism, the GOP field is getting mighty thin and I don’t have a lot of choices for whom to vote.

The key is such a new party would have to be in it for the long haul. It is not going to win big fast. And it has to find some big minds and big names to back it early and stick with it through the many thin starting years - A Buckley type..

94 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:16:33pm

re: #92 Kevlaur

You think, Coracle? Bush wanted dead or alive? Honk if you hate Bush? Ring any bells?

Have you even looked at some of the linked images?

95 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:16:50pm

re: #87 jaunte

David Frum:


[Link: www.newmajority.com…]

Excellent. Here’s Frum at Bloggingheads TV:

How to take the GOP back from the crazies

96 medaura18586  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:00pm

re: #44 Charles

Did not see that when I responded. (LGF has been loading very slowly the last couple of days). And I agree.

Their unorthodox structure of checks and balances is supposedly designed to counteract attempts by its presidents to turn into strongmen. But it’s full of procedural glitches and vulnerable to coups. If they were wise, they would adopt the U.S. constitution instead, almost in its entirety. But in the meanwhile, given that their imperfect system dictates the use of such awkward and violent methods, I think it’s a grave mistake to further destabilize a fragile democracy by treating what happened as a military coup — I am talking about the official stance of the U.S. government, which has rolled its eyes at far more egregious abuses of human rights and institutional processes by other countries. Lobbying Honduras to change their constitution for the better, I’m all in favor of. Treating its actions as illegitimate when they are in fact, in accordance with their constitution, is not productive to say the least, and needlessly jeopardizes our relation with them at worse. It also provides a gratuitous boost for Hugo Chavez, Zelaya’s buddy.

97 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:16pm

While debate rages here, most of us regardless of political orientation both despise and somewhat fear the crudity of these signs and worry that they may, just may, be harbinger of more serious social unrest. It is one thing to have legitimate differences with the current administration and another to be advocating what some of these signs seem to indicate. And to say “the Left did it to Bush” or to say it is a minority or just done in fun and is not serious is being inane.

The question for those of us here is…what do we do about it. Is there something we can do concrete other than to expose to ridicule what is happening?

98 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:39pm

The LGF Spy has turned out to be one of the most useful tools in my arsenal.

At least, the most useful tool I’ve revealed publicly.

99 Kevlaur  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:40pm

Were you people asleep during the last 8 years? You can find stories quite easily showing the signs people were holding up during W’s presidency.

100 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:17:47pm

The literal Trash of September 12th, 2009

Scroll down to the last pic. I think that sums it up for me.

101 LSD  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:18:39pm

re: #92 Kevlaur

You think, Coracle? Bush wanted dead or alive? Honk if you hate Bush? Ring any bells?

Ummm… I think the point is that it is very unfortunate and really SUCKS that the same tripe used against Bush is being used against our current President and seems to be tolerated. Like him our not, he’s still the POTUS and comparing him to tyrants and genocidal maniacs is just fucking bullshit.

102 Throbert McGee  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:18:41pm

“Elect” NEW Roller-Bladin’ Malibu™ Obama® for “President” of Ironic-“Kenya”!

103 Jetpilot1101  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #93 Coracle

The key is such a new party would have to be in it for the long haul. It is not going to win big fast. And it has to find some big minds and big names to back it early and stick with it through the many thin starting years - A Buckley type..

Very true but I think with the current state of the political system, such a party might be able to make inroads in a few states right away especially since I believe there are a lot of us rational thinking folks out there who would support a candidate with sound conservative principles. Seriously, there has to be a better way then letting insane people take over the party.

104 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

We were exposing them here. Where were you?

105 Airedale  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:19:30pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

Were you people asleep during the last 8 years? You can find stories quite easily showing the signs people were holding up during W’s presidency.

I remember the MSM giving the rallys air time weeks in advance come to think of it. Kinda reached out into every crack and crevace to get the loonies on the path

106 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:19:43pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

Were you people asleep during the last 8 years? You can find stories quite easily showing the signs people were holding up during W’s presidency.

Were you asleep while I was posting thousands of articles about exactly that?

107 Peg K  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:19:50pm

Can we agree that it is wrong to display posters like those above - whether Obama or Bush is president? Can we agree that both those on the left and the right have their segments that can be described as “whackos”?

Can we further agree that there definitely were protestors - a large number of protestors - who were protesting for issues like smaller government, different sorts of health reform, less spending and a more “free market” economy?

I’ve seen lots of posts here about the whackos that were protesting. I don’t deny that they were there. Yet, what about all the other people? Whether you agree or disagree with their positions - can’t we at least acknowledge that they have issues worth debate and discussion?

108 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:20:32pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

Were you people asleep during the last 8 years? You can find stories quite easily showing the signs people were holding up during W’s presidency.

You must be new.

109 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:20:34pm

Sleepers. Coming out. Of the woodwork. Again.

110 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:21:30pm

re: #13 Alouette

The signs aren’t even original. They are copies of the ANSWER signs, but with Obama’s face instead of Bush.

Is it intentional? Maybe it’s a case of what was good to slam the elephant is good to slam the donk.

Maybe one bright day the idea could form that those creepy signs are good for neither.

111 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:21:34pm

re: #92 Kevlaur

You think, Coracle? Bush wanted dead or alive? Honk if you hate Bush? Ring any bells?

And how is that any worse than what we are seeing now? Both are equally vile.

112 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:21:35pm

re: #56 Charles

Ya think?

Yes. Bad stuff.
We live in a nation of 300+ million people and we enjoy free speech.
I have no remedy. I can only say that Hitler comparisons are lame. Always have been, always will be.

113 Kevlaur  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:21:43pm

Touche’… I was probably trying to get an account on here!
However, I think it is true that the MSM did not report on the BDS as much as the ODS is being shown.

114 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:21:47pm

and everytime that happens think ross perot and this brought us who? I’m still waiting for someone on the national stage who can get us where we need to be.re: #83 Coracle

115 abbyadams  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:22:21pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

That is just sad.

116 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:23:04pm

re: #114 offsetview

It would have helped if Perot had had a real Veep also.

117 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:23:25pm

re: #113 Kevlaur

Touche’… I was probably trying to get an account on here!
However, I think it is true that the MSM did not report on the BDS as much as the ODS is being shown.

Whether the nightly news showed it or not doesn’t mean a whit as to whether it is ok now.

118 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:24:06pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

It also doesn’t help that Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and Joe the Plumber are considered “leadership”.

The media-industrial complex working the other side of the fence. Note that only one of these has ever been an elected official and even she is mostly a media yakker now.
You left out O’Reilly, of “Tiller the killer” fame btw.

119 WindHorse  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:24:07pm

Kilgore, that last photo in your link above does speak volumes…

it, to me, proves that “Swinus Americanus” exists on both sides of the political aisle…

assholes.

120 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:24:24pm

re: #109 Charles

Sleepers. Coming out. Of the woodwork. Again.

I’m telling you, every time I log in, I find a comment like this. I’m not a sleeper, I’m not! Though I did just get up from a nap. :-)

121 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:24:41pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

Were you people asleep during the last 8 years? You can find stories quite easily showing the signs people were holding up during W’s presidency.

What we see is the right wing kooks being environmentally responsible, and recycling.

122 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:25:54pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

The literal Trash of September 12th, 2009

Scroll down to the last pic. I think that sums it up for me.

The last pic is the big rack Evony babe.

123 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:26:22pm

re: #121 Alouette

What we see is the right wing kooks being environmentally responsible, and recycling.

I really wish extremism were a dwindling resource.

124 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:27:31pm

re: #113 Kevlaur

Touche’… I was probably trying to get an account on here!
However, I think it is true that the MSM did not report on the BDS as much as the ODS is being shown.

While that may be true, that doesn’t make the message being sent any less vile or any less widespread than it was at anti-Bush protests.

125 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:27:39pm

re: #107 Peg K

I’ve seen lots of posts here about the whackos that were protesting. I don’t deny that they were there. Yet, what about all the other people? Whether you agree or disagree with their positions - can’t we at least acknowledge that they have issues worth debate and discussion?

Did we grant that courtesy to anti-war protestors? Surely some of them were normal and had legitimate concerns.

126 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:28:28pm

Can we have a rule that when one posts a link to DailyKOS that they identify it as so…some of us are purposefully trying to avoid giving them hits.

127 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:28:34pm

re: #98 Charles

The LGF Spy has turned out to be one of the most useful tools in my arsenal.

At least, the most useful tool I’ve revealed publicly.

heh…lots o’ dingin’ going on…had to keep up in Master Spy.

128 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:29:18pm
129 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:29:44pm

re: #127 BignJames


hard to keep up…pimf

130 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:30:15pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

Don’t link to GP please.

131 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:30:32pm

re: #110 Silvergirl

Is it intentional? Maybe it’s a case of what was good to slam the elephant is good to slam the donk.

Maybe one bright day the idea could form that those creepy signs are good for neither.

I also saw a sign reading “Somewhere in Kenya a Village is Missing it’s Idiot” in one of the youtube vids.

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:31:05pm

re: #98 Charles

The LGF Spy has turned out to be one of the most useful tools in my arsenal.

At least, the most useful tool I’ve revealed publicly.

You left out the “Mwa ha ha ha”

133 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:31:25pm

re: #130 Gus 802

I don’t mean this in a sarcastic way, but is there a list of sites we CAN link to?

134 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:31:30pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

Trashy Americans. [link deleted]

Except that photograph was a section of the Mall where the rally simply wasn’t.

135 drogheda  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:31:59pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

We are not lacking leadership, it’s the base that’s gone off the rails.

There’s plenty of room on the crazy train it seems and no shortage of folks queuing up for a ride.

136 Peg K  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:32:00pm

Sharmuta - I surely always “grant that courtesy” to those who hold different positions to my own. As long as they aren’t being incredibly rude and vulgar and insulting - I want to hear their positions and why they hold them.

137 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #134 Coracle

Dang. Copied the link. Sorry. GP’s pic was to a section of the Mall away from the rally.

138 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:32:32pm

re: #133 TheMatrix31

I don’t mean this in a sarcastic way, but is there a list of sites we CAN link to?

It’s already been said over half a dozen times not to link to GP.

139 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:32:37pm

re: #128 FrogMarch

Trashy Americans. Gotta love it.

Heh. Of course there’s a significant difference. The Tea Party probably had under 100,000 people.

140 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:32:54pm

re: #134 Coracle

Except that photograph was a section of the Mall where the rally simply wasn’t.

I’m shocked, shocked, that a right wing protest photographer would intentionally frame their point in such a distorted way…

141 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:00pm

re: #125 Sharmuta

Did we grant that courtesy to anti-war protestors? Surely some of them were normal and had legitimate concerns.

Ok, I’ll bite. Old-timers know that I didn’t cut the anti-war mob any slack at all.
But I’m not cutting these nuts any either. Those with “legitimate concerns” know, or should know, that Beck is a demogogue, that they are being manipulated by commercial mass media, and that they are publicly associating with lunatics and disloyal elements of the kind Lincoln and FDR routinely threw in jail.

142 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:38pm

So it does matter who you associate with. I could not agree more but I can guarantee without question is that most of the folks in the crowd have held a job in the private sector longer than 95% of those whom we have elected. You can either look at that from top down or from bottom up.

143 KingKenrod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:39pm

The latest GOP contender poll I could find is from Clarus in mid-August, and breaks down like this:

Romney: 30%
Huckabee: 22%
Palin: 18%
Gingrich 15%
Jindal: 4%
Someone else: 2%
No choice: 10%

PDF:
[Link: www.clarusrg.com…]

144 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:42pm

re: #138 Gus 802

It’s already been said over half a dozen times not to link to GP.

Okay, thats why I was asking if there’s a list of sites we still CAN link to.

145 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:33:50pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Heh. Of course there’s a significant difference. The Tea Party probably had under 100,000 people.

Don’t quote links to GP.

146 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:08pm

What gets me is the cognitive dissonance of people who are talking secession using the Gadsden flag. The symbolism originally employed was to create unity among the colonies, not secession. It was Ben Franklin’s original call for a Federation.

147 Throbert McGee  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:19pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

Month. September is a month. In all 50 states and Canada.

On Usenet, September was a century.

148 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:26pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

Heh. Of course there’s a significant difference. The Tea Party probably had under 100,000 people.

Yes. the crowd was large, but 2 million? No way.

149 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:26pm

re: #131 Thanos

I also saw a sign reading “Somewhere in Kenya a Village is Missing it’s Idiot” in one of the youtube vids.

I know it’s supposed to be payback for the disrespect of Bush, and that’s a controversial subject. Revenge or taking the higher road? I’ve seen that village idiot quote around. When they put the apostrophe in its, it doesn’t help make their point.

150 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:38pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Ok, I’ll bite. Old-timers know that I didn’t cut the anti-war mob any slack at all.
But I’m not cutting these nuts any either. Those with “legitimate concerns” know, or should know, that Beck is a demogogue, that they are being manipulated by commercial mass media, and that they are publicly associating with lunatics and disloyal elements of the kind Lincoln and FDR routinely threw in jail.

That’s not my point. Kooks should be mocked relentlessly regardless of the political divide. But I grow weary of these arguments that these pictures are not representative. That we are not being fair. I’m questioning the equally application of other peoples’ point. In other words- I’m trying to call out the hypocrisy and double standards. Nothing more.

151 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #146 Thanos

What gets me is the cognitive dissonance of people who are talking secession using the Gadsden flag. The symbolism originally employed was to create unity among the colonies, not secession. It was Ben Franklin’s original call for a Federation.

Those flags were everywhere where I was. More than American flags.

152 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:35:56pm

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

153 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:36:30pm

re: #143 KingKenrod

And I’m very glad Romney is steering clear of these protests.

154 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:36:34pm

re: #143 KingKenrod

The latest GOP contender poll I could find is from Clarus in mid-August, and breaks down like this:

Romney: 30%
Huckabee: 22%
Palin: 18%
Gingrich 15%
Jindal: 4%
Someone else: 2%
No choice: 10%

PDF:
[Link: www.clarusrg.com…]

I am betting that the next contender is still TBD & none of the above.

155 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:36:46pm

re: #145 Walter L. Newton

Don’t quote links to GP.

I’m the one who did. Is that bad?
I’m careful not to link to anything where a current blog war is broiling.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:36:47pm

re: #149 Silvergirl

I know it’s supposed to be payback for the disrespect of Bush, and that’s a controversial subject. Revenge or taking the higher road? I’ve seen that village idiot quote around. When they put the apostrophe in its, it doesn’t help make their point.

How about “There’s a village missing it’s idiot in…hold on, let me check my driver’s license.”

(Unnecessary apostrophe left in on purpose.)

157 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:37:56pm

I’m a Global Village Idiot.

158 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:08pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

And I’m very glad Romney is steering clear of these protests.

But he should be condemning them. He could take much of the center right pretty damn easily if he did.

159 Erik The Red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:21pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

Free Market baby, Free Market. Don’t want to pay that price? Don’t walk into the restaurant.

160 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:24pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

That’s not my point. Kooks should be mocked relentlessly regardless of the political divide. But I grow weary of these arguments that these pictures are not representative. That we are not being fair. I’m questioning the equally application of other peoples’ point. In other words- I’m trying to call out the hypocrisy and double standards. Nothing more.

I understand. If I may be permitted a flight of metaphorical fancy, the Republican ship is rudderless and adrift, and all kinds of vermin are crawling out of the bilges and trying to take the helm.

161 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:30pm

re: #157 Cato the Elder

I’m a Global Village Idiot.

Hello, Cato.

Back from the silent retreat?

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:35pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

So how much would you value the
a. Rent/mortgage for the restaurant
b. Rent/mortgage for the furnishings and decor
c. Time of the chef
d. Time of the waitress
e. Time of the accountant and manager, etc.

for?

163 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:53pm

I recall George Bush’s response to some of the more obnoxious Code Pink protesters — he’d just laugh and say, “Isn’t democracy wonderful? It allows people to express themselves..” (or words to that effect). So, I wouldn’t get too “exercised” about some of this…or suggest/advocate that protesters need to be “shut up.” (it’s far worse living in a censorious society which does not tolerate individual expressions or protests.)

164 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If the restaurant continues to operate at a profit, it’s called “what the market will bear.”

165 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:39:24pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

what is the rent on the restaurant?

166 LSD  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:39:25pm

re: #159 Erik The Red

Free Market baby, Free Market. Don’t want to pay that price? Don’t walk into the restaurant.

There it is…

167 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:39:35pm

re: #159 Erik The Red

Free Market baby, Free Market. Don’t want to pay that price? Don’t walk into the restaurant.

Fuck that. The Maine lobstermen (80% of the global market for Atlantic lobster) should go on strike for a week.

See what the fat bitches at Red Lobster say then.

168 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:40:29pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Fuck that. The Maine lobstermen (80% of the global market for Atlantic lobster) should go on strike for a week.

See what the fat bitches at Red Lobster say then.

Let them eat cake!

169 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:40:58pm

Lobster is optional.

170 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:41:27pm

re: #159 Erik The Red

Free Market baby, Free Market. Don’t want to pay that price? Don’t walk into the restaurant.

That’s what I say. Let’s see, forsake exorbitantly expensive lobster dinners or become a socialist? Decisions, decisions.

171 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:41:31pm

re: #158 Coracle

But he should be condemning them. He could take much of the center right pretty damn easily if he did.

That’s a fair point. However, he’s trying to protect his interests and at this point, attacking the tea parties would create a backlash against him. Keeping under the radar keeps him from receiving flack and keeps him viable in 2012.

172 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:41:38pm

re: #163 J.S.

I recall George Bush’s response to some of the more obnoxious Code Pink protesters — he’d just laugh and say, “Isn’t democracy wonderful? It allows people to express themselves..” (or words to that effect). So, I wouldn’t get too “exercised” about some of this…or suggest/advocate that protesters need to be “shut up.” (it’s far worse living in a censorious society which does not tolerate individual expressions or protests.)

This stuff is an outrage.

173 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:41:39pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Fuck that. The Maine lobstermen (80% of the global market for Atlantic lobster) should go on strike for a week.

See what the fat bitches at Red Lobster say then.


Fresh Atlantic lobster…$80/lb.

174 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:41:59pm

knock down that quickly didn’t you.re: #162 EmmmieG

175 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:42:18pm

re: #171 Sharmuta

That’s a fair point. However, he’s trying to protect his interests and at this point, attacking the tea parties would create a backlash against him. Keeping under the radar keeps him from receiving flack and keeps him viable in 2012.

Yes and no. It also hands the weapon of his silence to the opponent.

176 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:42:21pm

re: #173 BignJames

Fresh Atlantic lobster…$80/lb.

I thought kosher meat was expensive.

177 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:42:29pm

re: #99 Kevlaur

Zombie has it completely covered, but that isn’t the point. By the ‘right’ sinking to the same ‘tit for tat’ “you did it so now it’s MY turn” style of stupidity…we are missing a major chance to actually put together a solid base of quality and solutions.

Instead of replacing our pee’d in cornflakes…we are still eating out of our bowl while peeing in theirs. (pretty much the only analogy I can think off the top of my head..)

178 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:42:35pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel

Let them eat cake!

fish cake.

179 Erik The Red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:42:43pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Fuck that. The Maine lobstermen (80% of the global market for Atlantic lobster) should go on strike for a week.

See what the fat bitches at Red Lobster say then.

That would work///. You want to pay those prices? Go and buy it off the boat and cook it yourself. Your time, your electricity, your supplies for sides and sauces and serve yourself.

180 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:00pm

re: #178 brookly red

fish cake.

Sea kitten cake.

181 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:15pm

re: #178 brookly red

fish cake.

Sea kitteh cake

182 drogheda  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:27pm

re: #169 jaunte

Lobster is optional.

If I could walk down to the dock and get lobster for $3 a pound it would in no way, shape, or form be “optional.” By the time it gets to where I am it’s priced more along the lines of “Maybe if it is on sale.”

183 Ringo the Gringo  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:37pm

re: #143 KingKenrod

The latest GOP contender poll I could find is from Clarus in mid-August, and breaks down like this:

Romney: 30%
Huckabee: 22%
Palin: 18%
Gingrich 15%
Jindal: 4%
Someone else: 2%
No choice: 10%

PDF:
[Link: www.clarusrg.com…]


Glad to see Romney at the top, he’s certainly much better than any of the others (not to mention he’s the only one who could possibly win).

Also glad to see Ron Paul didn’t even make the list.

184 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:51pm

re: #177 Oh no…Sand People!

Zombie has it completely covered, but that isn’t the point. By the ‘right’ sinking to the same ‘tit for tat’ “you did it so now it’s MY turn” style of stupidity…we are missing a major chance to actually put together a solid base of quality and solutions.

Instead of replacing our pee’d in cornflakes…we are still eating out of our bowl while peeing in theirs. (pretty much the only analogy I can think off the top of my head..)

A disgusting but apt metaphor. Upding.

185 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:43:53pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

Of course it is. It’s outrageous! (and within the defined legal parameters, perfectly legal).

186 Throbert McGee  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:15pm

re: #155 FrogMarch

I’m the one who did. Is that bad?
I’m careful not to link to anything where a current blog war is broiling.

Yeah, direct links to Gateway Pundit are strongly discouraged. If there’s content there worth linking, you can either find the “Google Cache” version of the content and link to that, or else use Tiny URL. In either case, it saves a lot of headache for Charles.

187 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:28pm

re: #185 J.S.

Of course it is. It’s outrageous! (and within the defined legal parameters, perfectly legal).

That doesn’t matter, it’s terrible. It needs to stop.

188 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:32pm

re: #170 Silvergirl

That’s what I say. Let’s see, forsake exorbitantly expensive lobster dinners or become a socialist? Decisions, decisions.

/or get elected & have it all!

189 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:38pm

Crustacea kitteh?

190 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:39pm

I’m about to resist the fascist Obama regime by broiling up some fresh salmon.

Watch me. See if I don’t.

191 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:44:50pm

bbiab on,ditc*

*or no, depends if there’s cake

192 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:45:09pm

re: #162 EmmmieG

So how much would you value the
a. Rent/mortgage for the restaurant
b. Rent/mortgage for the furnishings and decor
c. Time of the chef
d. Time of the waitress
e. Time of the accountant and manager, etc.

for?

Not that much of a markup. If you life in Chickenville, Poop County, Wastewater District, Shinola State, your breast of artificially pumped-up, blind, rickety, wingless, legless, featherless eat-and-shit-machine laughably called a chicken doesn’t cost 20 bucks a pound in the nearest chickenshit-and-hormone shack.

Nor does your lobster from Maine served a day later in Idaho cost much more than the 20 bucks a pound you pay right next to the godforsaken dock.

Once prices go up,
They never come down.
That’s why I build rockets,
Says Wernher von Braun.

193 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:45:16pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

You mean round ‘em up and arrest them?

194 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:45:18pm

re: #178 brookly red

fish cake.

We used to have those in the cafeteria when I was teaching high school. One time when they had fish sandwiches, one kid took one bite of one sandwich and the others (several hundred) were either consigned to the dumpster or taken home to the staff’s cats.

195 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:45:26pm

re: #190 Charles

I’m about to resist the fascist Obama regime by broiling up some fresh salmon.

Watch me. See if I don’t.

What does Obama, Salmon and fascist have to do with each other?

196 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:45:30pm

I’d like to have a way to protest and be heard without a bunch of loonies trying to horn in on it.

The Dems have some seriously bad policy positions that I really don’t want to become law.

197 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:46:09pm

re: #195 Walter L. Newton

What does Obama, Salmon and fascist have to do with each other?

Maybe it’s a RED salmon.

/

198 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:46:22pm

re: #196 Sean

I’d like to have a way to protest and be heard without a bunch of loonies trying to horn in on it.

Start by not having the bunch of loonies organize the rally.

199 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:46:26pm

re: #193 J.S.

You mean round ‘em up and arrest them?

Keep them away. Denounce them. Scare them off. We don’t need them at these demonstrations.

200 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:46:35pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

3.05 per pound is a great deal. I’d definitely be buying a couple of oversized lobsters to throw in a pot. Send me some!

201 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:47:08pm

This salmon is red to the bone. It’s commie salmon. And now I’m gonna BROIL it!

Bwa! Bwa ha!

202 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:47:12pm

re: #190 Charles

I’m about to resist the fascist Obama regime by broiling up some fresh salmon.

Watch me. See if I don’t.

Code Pink salmon?

203 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:47:56pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

So long as you’re not advocating for the authorities to do that for you, that’s perfectly fine…(I’m not a big fan of War Measures Acts being declared and seeing tanks moving in, etc.)

204 Airedale  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:47:58pm

re: #200 Pianobuff

3.05 per pound is a great deal. I’d definitely be buying a couple of oversized lobsters to throw in a pot. Send me some!

But your paying prime $$ for that crappy cole slaw and room with a view

205 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:48:05pm

re: #197 Gus 802

Maybe it’s a RED salmon.

/

That explains it.

206 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:48:24pm

re: #192 Cato the Elder

Not that much of a markup. If you life in Chickenville, Poop County, Wastewater District, Shinola State, your breast of artificially pumped-up, blind, rickety, wingless, legless, featherless eat-and-shit-machine laughably called a chicken doesn’t cost 20 bucks a pound in the nearest chickenshit-and-hormone shack.

Nor does your lobster from Maine served a day later in Idaho cost much more than the 20 bucks a pound you pay right next to the godforsaken dock.

Once prices go up,
They never come down.
That’s why I build rockets,
Says Wernher von Braun.

I would advise you to steer clear of the futures market…

207 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:48:44pm

re: #203 J.S.

So long as you’re not advocating for the authorities to do that for you, that’s perfectly fine…(I’m not a big fan of War Measures Acts being declared and seeing tanks moving in, etc.)

Bind them in chains, that them off the streets, crush the printing presses, but them in the Bastille. Off with their heads.

208 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:48:58pm

Ok so just got off the phone with my sister who is a high placed muckity muck in the DOA (and a raging leftist loon…my sister that is) anyway she says that there are rumors circulating about Van Jones that he had irritated some of his bosses during his tenure as the Green Jobs Czar and the outside before he got the job stuff gave them an excuse to push him out. This is all unsubstantiated of course and I don’t consider my sister all that reliable (she still believes Sarah Palin’s youngest son was really the daughters) but she is an Exec level II pay grade.

209 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:49:00pm

re: #204 Airedale

But your paying prime $$ for that crappy cole slaw and room with a view

No I’m not if I buy from the fishermen who are selling it for 3.05. I can make it myself just as good.

210 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:49:38pm

re: #190 Charles

I’m about to resist the fascist Obama regime by broiling up some fresh salmon.

Watch me. See if I don’t.

Make enough for all those children you have out there…

211 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:49:45pm

re: #190 Charles

I’m about to resist the fascist Obama regime by broiling up some fresh salmon.

Watch me. See if I don’t.

Sea Kitten? PETA is upset.
On the other hand, I think People Eating Tasty Animals should call salmon “The other red meat”

212 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:50:03pm

re: #179 Erik The Red

That would work///. You want to pay those prices? Go and buy it off the boat and cook it yourself. Your time, your electricity, your supplies for sides and sauces and serve yourself.

And my time, my electricity, my supplies would cost me under two bucks. So: Two-pound lobster @ $6.10 plus hot water plus double dab of butter plus a bit of cabbage = $8.10. Savings = $31.89.

And I will buy it off the boat, once I’m living there. With tip (personal markup). And the “Fisherman’s Friend” restaurant (!!!) can kiss my water-boiling ass.

213 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:50:24pm

re: #207 Walter L. Newton

lol…exactly…(or, in today’s world, here in Canada we just phone up the HRCs and file a complaint).

214 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:50:26pm

re: #208 Big Steve

Ok so just got off the phone with my sister who is a high placed muckity muck in the DOA (and a raging leftist loon…my sister that is) anyway she says that there are rumors circulating about Van Jones that he had irritated some of his bosses during his tenure as the Green Jobs Czar and the outside before he got the job stuff gave them an excuse to push him out. This is all unsubstantiated of course and I don’t consider my sister all that reliable (she still believes Sarah Palin’s youngest son was really the daughters) but she is an Exec level II pay grade.

Nothing against your sister…but it gives me that “If she can do it…so can I” attitude that our VP emanates as well…

215 Airedale  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:50:35pm

re: #209 Pianobuff

No I’m not if I buy from the fishermen who are selling it for 3.05. I can make it myself just as good.

but you forget that the TAX MAN wants and gets his cut in any “over the counter” transaction

216 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:51:01pm

re: #206 brookly red

I would advise you to steer clear of the futures market…

The only market I’ve every cared about involves farmers down the street.

“Futures” is like tarot. Bullshit cubed.

217 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:51:13pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

And my time, my electricity, my supplies would cost me under two bucks. So: Two-pound lobster @ $6.10 plus hot water plus double dab of butter plus a bit of cabbage = $8.10. Savings = $31.89.

And I will buy it off the boat, once I’m living there. With tip (personal markup). And the “Fisherman’s Friend” restaurant (!!!) can kiss my water-boiling ass.

So now you are a ‘survivalist’? Came full circle eh?
///

218 drogheda  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:51:25pm

re: #210 Big Steve

Make enough for all those children you have out there…

I haven’t seen many of today’s threads. Is that the latest smear from the stalkers?

219 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:51:40pm

re: #214 Oh no…Sand People!

Nothing against your sister…but it gives me that “If she can do it…so can I” attitude that our VP emanates as well…

In her defense…she does have two PhD’s…

220 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #175 Coracle

Yes and no. It also hands the weapon of his silence to the opponent.

I don’t disagree with you. But at this point the de facto leaders of the party- beck, rush, etc.- would skewer him and sink any chance he has to get the nomination, and before we’ve even reached the mid-term elections. The few who have tried to speak up have been back handed- look at what happened to Steele, and he actually IS in a position of leadership! To remain outside of this issue at this point keeps Romney alive. Keeping Romney alive at this point is our best shot at taking back the party.

221 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:52:05pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

And my time, my electricity, my supplies would cost me under two bucks. So: Two-pound lobster @ $6.10 plus hot water plus double dab of butter plus a bit of cabbage = $8.10. Savings = $31.89.

And I will buy it off the boat, once I’m living there. With tip (personal markup). And the “Fisherman’s Friend” restaurant (!!!) can kiss my water-boiling ass.

Choice. You gotta love it! Happy eating. I’m starting to think about lobster now that you brought this up. Shame on you.

222 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:52:16pm

re: #213 J.S.

lol…exactly…(or, in today’s world, here in Canada we just phone up the HRCs and file a complaint).

You finally caught my drift? Huh?

223 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:52:30pm

re: #198 Coracle

We all agree that a Paulian/Nirther/Idiot crowd has co-opted the loyal opposition’s right to protest.

What can we do to construct a better way to fight bad policy and even more frighteningly bad legislation?

Most of us can be conservative and sane.

224 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:53:11pm

re: #219 Big Steve

In her defense…she does have two PhD’s…

Exactly…

//just kidding.

225 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:53:27pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

I don’t disagree with you. But at this point the de facto leaders of the party- beck, rush, etc.- would skewer him and sink any chance he has to get the nomination, and before we’ve even reached the mid-term elections. The few who have tried to speak up have been back handed- look at what happened to Steele, and he actually IS in a position of leadership! To remain outside of this issue at this point keeps Romney alive. Keeping Romney alive at this point is our best shot at taking back the party.

If nobody takes on the clowns they’ll still be in power in ‘10 and ‘12. Beck may self-destruct, but Limbaugh won’t, and they’ll keep the virulence flowing.

226 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:09pm

My favourite way to cook smoked salmon is in the oven in a casserole with lots of milk and a small piece of butter. Serve with mashed potato. Delicious!

227 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:19pm

re: #218 drogheda

I haven’t seen many of today’s threads. Is that the latest smear from the stalkers?

No…yesterday Charles mentioned how Flouncers always have to make sure that “Daddy” (Charles) knows they hate them when the flounce off. I commented back that none of us on LGF were Charle’s kids so we need to all just get over it. Charles commented back that with all his years as a rock star on the road I shouldn’t be so certain that none of the LGF’s weren’t his kids…It was humorous and worth an upding but all a joke and not a nasty rumor.

228 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:26pm

re: #225 Coracle

If nobody takes on the clowns they’ll still be in power in ‘10 and ‘12. Beck may self-destruct, but Limbaugh won’t, and they’ll keep the virulence flowing.

Then we need to get rid of Rush somehow.

229 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:43pm

re: #186 Throbert McGee

Yeah, direct links to Gateway Pundit are strongly discouraged. If there’s content there worth linking, you can either find the “Google Cache” version of the content and link to that, or else use Tiny URL. In either case, it saves a lot of headache for Charles.


I see. thanks.

230 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:57pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

I don’t know about this one restaurant, Cato, but you don’t know the whole story behind restaurant food cost. Most who serve lobster have to charge those prices after the packer, shipper and distributor get their cut.
I see a unique opportunity for you. If you can buy the lobster directly from the dock at $3.05 a pound open up a restaurant ASAP. Charge $15.95 for the same meal and you will see lines like you’ve never witnessed before. You can laugh all the way to the bank…hell tell the lobstermen you’ll give them $4.05 a pound and you’ll own the market and still make money.

I lived in Newfoundland in the early 60’s…lobsters were .25 each from the trap. The family would buy 8 to 10, build a fire on the beach, fill a pale with seawater and boil away. I miss those days.

231 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:54:59pm

re: #221 Pianobuff

Choice. You gotta love it! Happy eating. I’m starting to think about lobster now that you brought this up. Shame on you.

I think I will walk down to the avenue & get some sushi.

And some beer.

232 drogheda  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:04pm

re: #227 Big Steve

No…yesterday Charles mentioned how Flouncers always have to make sure that “Daddy” (Charles) knows they hate them when the flounce off. I commented back that none of us on LGF were Charle’s kids so we need to all just get over it. Charles commented back that with all his years as a rock star on the road I shouldn’t be so certain that none of the LGF’s weren’t his kids…It was humorous and worth an upding but all a joke and not a nasty rumor.

Ah. I see.

233 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:19pm

Hey, did I win any of the ‘Flounce Post’ squares? I had at least $3 riding on a few.

234 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:30pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

I don’t disagree with you. But at this point the de facto leaders of the party- beck, rush, etc.- would skewer him and sink any chance he has to get the nomination, and before we’ve even reached the mid-term elections. The few who have tried to speak up have been back handed- look at what happened to Steele, and he actually IS in a position of leadership! To remain outside of this issue at this point keeps Romney alive. Keeping Romney alive at this point is our best shot at taking back the party.

Well if no one can speak out, then what?

235 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:52pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Then we need to get rid of Rush somehow.

The current leadership is not taking him on - rather, they’re kowtowing to him. No slight of him goes unapologized for more than a couple days. Who will bell that cat?

236 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:55:55pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Then we need to get rid of Rush somehow.

Others have tried…

237 KingKenrod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:56:05pm

re: #208 Big Steve

Ok so just got off the phone with my sister who is a high placed muckity muck in the DOA (and a raging leftist loon…my sister that is) anyway she says that there are rumors circulating about Van Jones that he had irritated some of his bosses during his tenure as the Green Jobs Czar and the outside before he got the job stuff gave them an excuse to push him out. This is all unsubstantiated of course and I don’t consider my sister all that reliable (she still believes Sarah Palin’s youngest son was really the daughters) but she is an Exec level II pay grade.

He felt ethanol hurts the poor by raising food prices.

“I’m 100% against corn based ethanol”.

Youtube Video
238 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:56:16pm

re: #230 jorline

I don’t know about this one restaurant, Cato, but you don’t know the whole story behind restaurant food cost. Most who serve lobster have to charge those prices after the packer, shipper and distributor get their cut.
I see a unique opportunity for you. If you can buy the lobster directly from the dock at $3.05 a pound open up a restaurant ASAP. Charge $15.95 for the same meal and you will see lines like you’ve never witnessed before. You can laugh all the way to the bank…hell tell the lobstermen you’ll give them $4.05 a pound and you’ll own the market and still make money.

I lived in Newfoundland in the early 60’s…lobsters were .25 each from the trap. The family would buy 8 to 10, build a fire on the beach, fill a pale with seawater and boil away. I miss those days.

He won’t do that. Apparently, he’s a socialist, lol.

239 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:56:49pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

I don’t disagree with you. But at this point the de facto leaders of the party- beck, rush, etc.- would skewer him and sink any chance he has to get the nomination, and before we’ve even reached the mid-term elections. The few who have tried to speak up have been back handed- look at what happened to Steele, and he actually IS in a position of leadership! To remain outside of this issue at this point keeps Romney alive. Keeping Romney alive at this point is our best shot at taking back the party.

I agree that it’s good tactics for Romney to keep his head down just now. The Republicans need someone to speak out now though, they need a sacrifice. Rudy Giuliani might fit the bill, if he is willing to admit, at least privately, that he is washed up as a candidate. He is still a public figure and highly respected. Maybe he can hit the talk shows, call out the kooks, and start cleaning up the GOP as well as he cleaned up NYC.

240 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:57:12pm

re: #230 jorline


Newfie…Goose Bay?

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:57:20pm

re: #238 TheMatrix31

Heh.

242 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:57:38pm

re: #228 Walter L. NewtonGood lock with that! The man has millions listening.

243 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:57:56pm

re: #236 brookly red

Others have tried…

The Fairness Doctrine maybe?

244 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:57:59pm

re: #231 brookly red

I think I will walk down to the avenue & get some sushi.

And some beer.

There are some 24 oz. rib-eyes on the grill 30 feet from me that are tonight’s dinner over here. Between the smell of the steaks and the lobster talk it’s driving me nuts.

Enjoy your sushi. Have some toro for me!

245 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:58:14pm

Like I said on the last thread, I went shooting today and got razzed for tearing down an Obama headshot in the middle of the 100-yard target backstop.

I told my fellow shooters I was exercising my free speech - of a negatory sort.

No one shot me, but then I was carrying a sidearm at the rifle range.

The piss-poor shooters who were my chance companions today only managed three shitty little target placements while he was up there. None of them fatal.

IF, if you’re reading this, bite me.

246 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:58:17pm

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

I don’t think Mr. Clean could clean up the GOP in it’s current state.

247 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:58:55pm

re: #225 Coracle

If nobody takes on the clowns they’ll still be in power in ‘10 and ‘12. Beck may self-destruct, but Limbaugh won’t, and they’ll keep the virulence flowing.

re: #234 TheMatrix31

Well if no one can speak out, then what?

I might help if folks started demanding some sanity. I know we do this here at LGF, but until the politicos or media see a demographic to cater to- we might be screwed. This is why some folks feel like tossing gas on the fire and just getting to rock bottom- so we can start to rebuild. I don’t know what to say about it other than I don’t feed the clowns. More folks like Lizards need to join in this effort.

248 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:01pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

The Fairness Doctrine maybe?

You are kidding right?

249 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:19pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

The Fairness Doctrine maybe?


you know better than that, homie :)

250 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:19pm

re: #240 BignJames
Love them HEELS!

251 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:22pm

re: #245 Cato the Elder

Like I said on the last thread, I went shooting today and got razzed for tearing down an Obama headshot in the middle of the 100-yard target backstop.

I told my fellow shooters I was exercising my free speech - of a negatory sort.

No one shot me, but then I was carrying a sidearm at the rifle range.

The piss-poor shooters who were my chance companions today only managed three shitty little target placements while he was up there. None of them fatal.

IF, if you’re reading this, bite me.

Seriously? Are you saying they had that as a target?

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:52pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

If Obama represents socialism, then I’m a socialist.

There, I said it.

The Maine lobstermen currently get $3.05 per pound at the dock.

Thirty paces away, at the restaurant that overlooks the picturesque dock that the lobstermen dock at, a two-pound ($6.10) lobster, steamed, with some crappy “cole slaw” and clarified butter, goes for $39.99.

Explain that markup to me, and I’ll stop being a socialist.

It works like this.

Some kind of evil genius marketing type tricked the rest of the world into believing that a fucking water dwelling, bottom feeding cockroach was actually some kind of delicacy.

Most people, being gullible as they are, bought this marketing bullshit hook, line, and sinker, and now a freaking bug that shouldn’t be worth more than .05/lb sells for outrageous prices.

That’s the freemarket, baby, where gullible fools waste good money to eat bottom feeding cockroaches, and are grateful for it.

I’ll have the steak, thanks.
/

253 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 6:59:57pm

re: #238 TheMatrix31

He won’t do that. Apparently, he’s a socialist, lol.

Capitalism bad…everyone should eat lobster.

254 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:00:08pm

re: #251 Gus 802

Seriously? Are you saying they had that as a target?

No. Fucking. Joke.

255 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:00:24pm

re: #239 Shiplord Kirel

I agree that it’s good tactics for Romney to keep his head down just now. The Republicans need someone to speak out now though, they need a sacrifice. Rudy Giuliani might fit the bill, if he is willing to admit, at least privately, that he is washed up as a candidate. He is still a public figure and highly respected. Maybe he can hit the talk shows, call out the kooks, and start cleaning up the GOP as well as he cleaned up NYC.

Rudy would be a good one to step up, although last I heard he was considering running for governor of New York. Dealing with the insanity on the national scene might not be in his interests, although it would be if he ever wants to seek a national office again.

256 Pianobuff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:00:35pm

re: #248 Oh no…Sand People!

You are kidding right?

I think he’s giving his version of A Modest Proposal.

257 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:00:54pm

re: #242 offsetview

Good lock with that! The man has millions listening.

No, I’ll tell you what. Van Jones can get an organization together and boycott all his sponsors, and all the progressive blogs can start pointing out that Rush is a crazy right winger and we can have articles in TIME and Newsweek and all that. Remember how well that worked against Glenn Beck?… er… wait, that didn’t work… never mind.

258 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:00:57pm

re: #253 jorline

Capitalism bad…everyone should eat lobster.

In Russia lobster eats you

259 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #240 BignJames

Newfie…Goose Bay?

Harmon and St. Johns.

260 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:01pm

re: #225 Coracle

If nobody takes on the clowns they’ll still be in power in ‘10 and ‘12. Beck may self-destruct, but Limbaugh won’t, and they’ll keep the virulence flowing.

Yep, if Beck has to be tranquilized and carried out of the studio in a straitjacket tomorrow (not an impossibility) someone will step up and take over his audience without missing a rant. The whole phenomenon of the media-based GOP has to be confronted head-on.

261 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:04pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth


I’ll have the steak, thanks.
/

More fucking water dwelling, bottom feeding cockroach for me, then!

262 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:10pm

re: #254 Cato the Elder

No. Fucking. Joke.

Damn that’s nucking futz. Too bad you didn’t take a picture of that.

263 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:23pm

re: #254 Cato the Elder


Are you saying they had that as a target?

The Secret Service could visit them very soon. Really.

264 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:26pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

The Fairness Doctrine maybe?

Localism is next.

265 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:01:40pm

re: #201 Charles

This salmon is red to the bone. It’s commie salmon. And now I’m gonna BROIL it!

Bwa! Bwa ha!

You’re sending the red salmon to the lgf DEATH CAMP!

266 jzm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:03pm

Those people are no better than the far left freaks with the Bush=Hitler signs. They all need to grow up and chill out. You can have passion without the stupidity.

267 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:21pm

re: #249 brookly red

you know better than that, homie :)


re: #248 Oh no…Sand People!

You are kidding right?

What? Please bro’s, don’t take me lightly.

268 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:25pm

re: #245 Cato the Elder

Like I said on the last thread, I went shooting today and got razzed for tearing down an Obama headshot in the middle of the 100-yard target backstop.

I told my fellow shooters I was exercising my free speech - of a negatory sort.

No one shot me, but then I was carrying a sidearm at the rifle range.

The piss-poor shooters who were my chance companions today only managed three shitty little target placements while he was up there. None of them fatal.

IF, if you’re reading this, bite me.

Nice one.

269 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:40pm

re: #258 soxfan4life

In Russia lobster eats you

Crap, that would explain the buttons…

270 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:41pm

re: #247 Sharmuta

The vote that comes to a politician still counts however tainted with insanity is the person who cast it.

So politicians actually encourage the stuff you see in the photos.

271 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:02:50pm

re: #251 Gus 802

I’m sure the left would have done this also but they don’t own guns.

272 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:03:18pm

re: #266 jzm


Yeah…but then what would we do for fun?

273 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:03:19pm

re: #264 FrogMarch

Localism is next.

Ok, that’s good… I’ll go along with that… can’t wait. Rush is toast.

274 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #271 offsetview

I’m sure the left would have done this also but they don’t own guns.

That’s irrelevant. I don’t care about “what ifs.”

275 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:04:07pm

re: #267 Walter L. Newton

What? Please bro’s, don’t take me lightly.

LOL.

276 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:04:15pm

re: #245 Cato the Elder

Wouldn’t 0bama on a urinal target be more appropriate?

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:04:53pm

re: #261 Coracle

More fucking water dwelling, bottom feeding cockroach for me, then!

Knock yourself out. I won’t tell you what, or what not, to eat.

I also don’t eat spiders, so there will be more of that for you too, if you like.

278 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:04:54pm

re: #254 Cato the Elder

I’ve read that the manner in which one “delivers” a message can be considered as a threat (that’s a threat of violence) and may not be protected speech…Hence, putting up a target (with the picture of someone as the “target”) doesn’t sound “ok”, as far as I’m concerned — even less so, given that it’s the POTUS.

279 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:06:21pm

re: #230 jorline

I don’t know about this one restaurant, Cato, but you don’t know the whole story behind restaurant food cost. Most who serve lobster have to charge those prices after the packer, shipper and distributor get their cut. […]

The packer, shipper and distributor in this case is a guy who walks down to the dock, buys the lobster at three bucks a pound, puts it in a wheelbarrow (thirty paces, you don’t even need ice) and sells it for whatever to the “Fisherman’s Friend” (hahfreakinhah!) restaurant which then boils it and sells a two-pounder for forty bucks with half-gone cabbage salad.

If I were to try to compete, the New Jersey Sopranos offshoot that has the concession for that part of Maine would first kill my dog and then kneecap me. As a warning.

Don’t tell me about the “free market”. Springes to catch woodcocks.

280 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:06:41pm

re: #278 J.S.

Hence, putting up a target (with the picture of someone as the “target”) doesn’t sound “ok”, as far as I’m concerned.

Convicted child abusers are fair game. Ditto for molesters.

281 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:06:54pm

re: #223 Sean
Propose some reasonable alternatives.
The Dems campaigned for six years on the “We’re not George W Bush” platform. It took until 2006 for them to win with that. I don’t want to wait that long.

282 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:06:55pm

re: #270 Ojoe

The vote that comes to a politician still counts however tainted with insanity is the person who cast it.

So politicians actually encourage the stuff you see in the photos.

Not all politicians on the right are encouraging this kookery. IMO- Romney is keeping quite so as to not get tainted with this insanity. While his silence could be seen as an endorsement, an open endorsement would taint him, and an open denouncement would sink him. Silence is his only option to remain viable.

283 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:07:00pm

just a drive-by during half time, but here is what you *didn’t* know about Rep. Joe Wilson:
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

284 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:07:11pm

re: #258 soxfan4life

In Russia lobster eats you

Vodka OD.

285 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:07:16pm

re: #258 soxfan4life

In Russia lobster eats you


They used to feed prisoners nothing but lobster, and they complained bitterly. Then they decided to use them for fertilizer.
And now, your gourmet dinner…

286 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:07:30pm

re: #271 offsetview

I’m sure the left would have done this also but they don’t own guns.

Don’t bet on it.

287 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:08:03pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

Knock yourself out. I won’t tell you what, or what not, to eat.

I also don’t eat spiders, so there will be more of that for you too, if you like.

No. Spiders are gross!

288 sngnsgt  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:08:05pm

re: #246 soxfan4life

I don’t think Mr. Clean could clean up the GOP in it’s current state.

I think it’s going to take more like Liquid Plumber!

289 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:09pm

re: #285 VioletTiger

I’d be quite thin if they fed me nothing but lobster. Would just as soon eat anything else but. I used to bait lobster traps and after that job, thanks but no thanks.

290 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:12pm

re: #288 sngnsgt

I think it’s going to take more like Liquid Plumber!

/or just more fiber…

291 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:17pm

re: #280 Sean

I agree. I also feel that the vanguard of the peaceful revolution-by-ballotbox needs to be people with ideas and sanity.

This is a moment to not be wasted.

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:18pm

re: #287 Coracle

No. Spiders are gross!

Why? It’s just another bug with an exoskeleton.

293 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:24pm

re: #227 Big Steve

Charles commented back that with all his years as a rock star on the road I shouldn’t be so certain that none of the LGF’s weren’t his kids…

Luke… I am your father…

‘Cept Darth Vader is Cheney, not Charles.
No pony tail.

294 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:25pm

re: #283 austin_blue

just a drive-by during half time, but here is what you *didn’t* know about Rep. Joe Wilson:
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Great…the frigid one…

I pity the fool who…nevermind…

295 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:09:42pm

re: #292 Slumbering Behemoth

Why? It’s just another bug with an exoskeleton.

Not enough meat.

296 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:10:13pm

re: #261 Coracle

More fucking water dwelling, bottom feeding cockroach for me, then!

I’ll split them with you!

297 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:10:56pm

re: #296 VioletTiger

I’ll split them with you!

Deal. I hear Cato the Elder has a Lobstahman connection.

298 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:10:57pm

re: #294 Oh no…Sand People!

Great…the frigid one…

I pity the fool who…nevermind…

Read it. Read his history. Facts are facts.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:11:00pm

re: #271 offsetview

I’m sure the left would have done this also but they don’t own guns.

I see you have not met my father, the liberal, lifelong Democrat, ex-cop.

300 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:11:12pm
301 southtexas  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:11:26pm

Far too much emphasis on some minor negatives which are in themselves are subject to interpretation.

Strikingly similar to the evening news.

302 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:02pm

re: #237 KingKenrod

He felt ethanol hurts the poor by raising food prices.

“I’m 100% against corn based ethanol”.


He’s correct. On that at least.

303 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:11pm

Then call for a vote on MONDAY, tomorrow, first thing in the morning and then go out and have a victory lunch…

“I believe that we will have enough votes to pass not just any health care bill, but a good health care bill that helps the American people, reduces costs, actually over the long-term controls our deficit. I’m confident that we’ve got that,” Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS’ “60 Minutes. “There are those in the Republican party who think the best thing to do is just to kill reform. That that will be good politics.”
Obama says he’s expecting ‘good health care bill’

They ain’t expecting jack, or else the progressives would call for some voting time here.

304 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:26pm

re: #280 Sean

(I probably wasn’t entirely clear, when I mentioned “target” I meant something like a “bull’s eye” or a concentric circle which someone takes aim — using a weapon to shoot at…Wasn’t there an anti-abortion website which did this (targeting doctors) and they were found guilty of intimidation, etc.?

305 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:34pm

re: #301 southtexas

Far too much emphasis on some minor negatives which are in themselves are subject to interpretation.

Strikingly similar to the evening news.

Death camp rhetoric = minor negative.

Fail.

306 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:40pm

re: #301 southtexas

Far too much emphasis on some minor negatives which are in themselves are subject to interpretation.

Strikingly similar to the evening news.

and how should we interrupt the warning about burning flesh exactly?

307 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:12:52pm

re: #286 Slumbering Behemoth

OK, but those with the bright orange plastic tip don’t count. :)

308 Throbert McGee  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:13:45pm

re: #258 soxfan4life

In Russia lobster eats you

“Lobster” in Russian is omár (омар), which kind of amuses me, ‘cause it reminds me of Messrs. Sharif and Khayyam, and ALSO reminds me of that Simpsons episode in which Homer adopts a lobster named “Pinchy”.

(The Russian name comes from the French, homard, but I’m not sure if the etymology goes farther than that.)

309 Van Helsing  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:14:54pm

re: #302 Jim in Virginia

He’s correct. On that at least.

Ethanol form corn only provides about 25% more energy than it takes to produce it.

Ethanol fromm sugar cane (which is what Brasil uses) gets about 800% energy return.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:16:02pm

re: #295 Coracle

Not enough meat.

I thought crab was supposed to have plenty of meat on it. ;)

311 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:17:46pm

re: #298 austin_blue

Read it. Read his history. Facts are facts.

I did…even though she still lost me at her pretend fantasy of

But, fair or not, what I heard was an unspoken word in the air: You lie, boy!

Has to delve into fantasy to set up the meme of racism.

But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it.

Sad and weak.

His outburst was over ‘healthcare’. She is being completely dishonest with her ‘leap of logic’ on this one.

She can just state the facts later in her article without embellishing. Just like Van Jones record sans ‘troofer’ was damaging enough without the ‘trooferisms’.

Is there ‘racism’ at these events? Undoubtedly. But she is painting outside the numbers and making up her own for effect.

312 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, Crab is a different beasty. Crab =/ spider. Alaskan King Crab = mmm.

Still looks like a big damn bug. But it’s sooo tasty.

313 bosforus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:21pm

I wish that offensive disrespectful babbling wasn’t covering up the Obama-Joker sign that I love so much.

314 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:35pm

re: #301 southtexas

Strikingly detached from reality and nonchalant about Nazi imagery and calls to violence. Sorta like… 24 popular ‘conservative’ blogs.

315 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:52pm

I believe it was earlier this year (?) when George Bush visited Calgary, to give a speech (as a private citizen, not as president, of course). Anyway, there were huge protests — including one set-up in which the protesters (iirc) had a life-size picture of Bush, and participants were encouraged to hurl shoes at the picture, etc.

316 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:52pm

re: #309 Van Helsing

Ethanol form corn only provides about 25% more energy than it takes to produce it.

Ethanol fromm sugar cane (which is what Brasil uses) gets about 800% energy return.


The climate makes all the difference. We can’t grow sugar cane here like they do in Brazil.

317 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:54pm

I’m having some fun, I fixed the freezer now I get to play with the dry ice we had the frozen food on in the cooler. :)

318 jzm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:18:54pm

re: #305 Charles

I agree.
You know it’s been fun making fun of the far left kooks but it makes me sick seeing this crap from the side I align myself with. Shame on them.

319 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:19:06pm

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

Ok, that’s good… I’ll go along with that… can’t wait. Rush is toast.

It will soon be over.

320 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:19:23pm

re: #311 Oh no…Sand People!

Sad and weak.

His outburst was over ‘healthcare’. She is being completely dishonest with her ‘leap of logic’ on this one.

She can just state the facts later in her article without embellishing. Just like Van Jones record sans ‘troofer’ was damaging enough without the ‘trooferisms’.

Is there ‘racism’ at these events? Undoubtedly. But she is painting outside the numbers and making up her own for effect.

Guess you missed this part:

The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.

The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.

321 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:19:26pm

re: #304 J.S.

I understood you. That piece of paper is not a good idea. The Secret Service can can that a threat against the POTUS. It’s not a cool thing to do.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:19:54pm

re: #307 offsetview

Seriously, don’t bet on it. Not every liberal/leftist is a pacifist hippie. There are plenty of them who own guns, and know well how to use them.

323 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:20:22pm

re: #311 Oh no…Sand People!

Sad and weak.

His outburst was over ‘healthcare’. She is being completely dishonest with her ‘leap of logic’ on this one.

She can just state the facts later in her article without embellishing. Just like Van Jones record sans ‘troofer’ was damaging enough without the ‘trooferisms’.

Is there ‘racism’ at these events? Undoubtedly. But she is painting outside the numbers and making up her own for effect.

I heard a repeat of far left progressive radio talk show host Thom Hartmann today and he said the reason conservatives didn’t want their children to listen to Obama’s school speech was because conservatives didn’t want their kids hearing a black man tell them good things.

324 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:20:52pm

re: #315 J.S.

I believe it was earlier this year (?) when George Bush visited Calgary, to give a speech (as a private citizen, not as president, of course). Anyway, there were huge protests — including one set-up in which the protesters (iirc) had a life-size picture of Bush, and participants were encouraged to hurl shoes at the picture, etc.

That’s Ok.

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:21:22pm

re: #312 Coracle

Crab =/ spider.

Tell yourself whatever you need to so you can choke down that sea-spider.
/

326 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:21:29pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

The packer, shipper and distributor in this case is a guy who walks down to the dock, buys the lobster at three bucks a pound, puts it in a wheelbarrow (thirty paces, you don’t even need ice) and sells it for whatever to the “Fisherman’s Friend” (hahfreakinhah!) restaurant which then boils it and sells a two-pounder for forty bucks with half-gone cabbage salad.

If I were to try to compete, the New Jersey Sopranos offshoot that has the concession for that part of Maine would first kill my dog and then kneecap me. As a warning.

Don’t tell me about the “free market”. Springes to catch woodcocks.

Please read my entire comment Cato. I never mentioned anything about free market, but strangely enough, it does work.
The solution is simple, don’t eat at the restaurant. If the market doesn’t mind paying those prices… more power to the Sopranos for dicking the dumb shits.
If the lobstermen don’t like the prices they need to find another line of work, a new boss or their own bigger goons.
It’s called free will.

Don’t tell me about the restaurant business. I’ve been in it for nearly 40 years and own my own. If the restaurant’s sale decrease because the lobster is not a perceived value the price will be adjusted…trust me.

327 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:21:48pm

If this is representative of the level to which political debate has sunk in America, then you all is fucked.
I find it hard to believe that this type of crazy racist behaviour is being engaged in by more than a tiny percentage, but even so it is very, very, troubling.

328 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:21:52pm

re: #26 talon_262

Well I was trying make it into a question asked directly to the Tea Party attenders. But yeah, that’s the point I was trying elude to.

329 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:22:04pm

re: #320 austin_blue

Guess you missed this part:

The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.

The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber.

#311 “She can just state the facts later in her article without embellishing.”

I didn’t. She could have just used those examples without the earlier BS she throws in. But she’s gotta make her money too I guess…

330 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:22:41pm

re: #309 Van Helsing

Ethanol form corn only provides about 25% more energy than it takes to produce it.

Ethanol fromm sugar cane (which is what Brasil uses) gets about 800% energy return.


US ethanol subsidies have more to do with voters in Iowa than energy independence,
CRAP. I just spilled some Bailey’s on the floor. I’m going to cry.

331 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:22:50pm

re: #326 jorline

Yea, but what do you know about SEAFOOD?
/// (go ahead, great opening for a shameless self-promotion)

332 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:23:27pm

re: #315 J.S.

There is loss of memory on all things bush. He was the root of all this chaos in the world and if not him the USA.

333 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:23:50pm

re: #320 austin_blue

Guess you missed this part:

What is your point?

334 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:24:04pm

re: #332 offsetview

There is loss of memory on all things bush. He was the root of all this chaos in the world and if not him the USA.

No kidding.

335 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:24:28pm

re: #329 Oh no…Sand People!

Being such a big supporter of BO wouldn’t it be she needs to make your money, or my money not her own money? Or is she one of those who thinks all this progress is good for every else but not herself?

336 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:24:46pm

re: #330 Jim in Virginia

US ethanol subsidies have more to do with voters in Iowa than energy independence,
CRAP. I just spilled some Bailey’s on the floor. I’m going to cry.

Try a straw.

337 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:25:34pm

re: #336 Spare O’Lake

Try a straw.

Never heard of snorting Bailey’s

338 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:25:44pm

I got into a verbal argument with two people I hate over Facebook and they kept trying to get my info from people. They finally got it. They posted it on Facebook with my phone number, address, work place, everything. Saying “I’m coming for you soon.”

What’s my recourse here?

339 Chekote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:26:13pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

We are not lacking leadership, it’s the base that’s gone off the rails.

Disagree. If we had leadership, the nirther nonsense would have be stopped a long time ago. Those e-mails were circulating around during the entire campaign.

340 Van Helsing  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:26:31pm

re: #330 Jim in Virginia

US ethanol subsidies have more to do with voters in Iowa than energy independence,
CRAP. I just spilled some Bailey’s on the floor. I’m going to cry.

Have you been abusing alcohol long, sir?

I’d cry too.
Ethanol was (briefly) the shining light of some of the uninformed environmentalists.

The infatuation didn’t last long because of the ease of showing the inefficiencies in the production cycle.

True ‘dat on the subsidies as well.

341 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:26:44pm

Lobsters are benthic detritavores =

bottom dwelling trash eaters.

Eech.

342 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:26:53pm

re: #331 Walter L. Newton

Yea, but what do you know about SEAFOOD?
/// (go ahead, great opening for a shameless self-promotion)

lmao…Walter, you hate seafood, but thanks for the intro.

343 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:27:18pm

re: #332 offsetview

There is loss of memory on all things bush. He was the root of all this chaos in the world and if not him the USA.

You’re right. There’s a loss of memory.

A loss of memory about how vile and disgusting it was when the left smeared Bush with Nazi imagery.

It’s gotten so bad that the right wing is behaving just like the left wing behaved.

A loss of memory indeed.

344 SouthTexas  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:27:33pm

re: #305 Charles

Percentage to overall participants? The right has learned the effectiveness of this from the left, it motivates. Will you really be happy with where this country is headed?

No, nevermind, don’t bother.

345 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:28:07pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Lobsters are benthic detritavores =

bottom dwelling trash eaters.

Eech.


So are oysters. But nothing tastes better.

346 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:28:08pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I heard a repeat of far left progressive radio talk show host Thom Hartmann today and he said the reason conservatives didn’t want their children to listen to Obama’s school speech was because conservatives didn’t want their kids hearing a black man tell them good things.

We got the lunatics on the right and left and all of it is now just going to be boiled down to the fabricated ‘race’ issue. (Not discounting that there is true racism popping up…but how about we focus on it when it is a GENUINE racist issue as opposed to making stuff up. Like the ‘witchdoctor’ poster etc…)

The President’s policies suck. It doesn’t take skin color to tell me that. I just wish the ‘right’ was smarter than that and didn’t play into the ‘racism’ thing. But then again…the left is famous for equating anything they disagree with as being ‘racism’.

347 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:28:39pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Lobsters are benthic detritavores =

bottom dwelling trash eaters.

Eech.

sounds like I have voted for a few…

348 Erik The Red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:28:46pm

re: #338 TheMatrix31

I got into a verbal argument with two people I hate over Facebook and they kept trying to get my info from people. They finally got it. They posted it on Facebook with my phone number, address, work place, everything. Saying “I’m coming for you soon.”

What’s my recourse here?

Just about none. Be careful who you friend.

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:29:09pm

re: #338 TheMatrix31

I am not sure, but I would recommend contacting law enforcement and getting something on file with them in the event that you are forced to defend yourself.

I am sure someone here must have better advice. Good luck.

350 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:29:12pm
351 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:29:27pm

re: #326 jorline

[…] If the lobstermen don’t like the prices they need to find another line of work, a new boss or their own bigger goons. […]

So tell me this: If the Maine and New Hampshire lobstermen discovered they have endoskeletons and told the rest of the world “no more lobster under six bucks a pound”, would that be fair in your eyes?

Don’t tell me about production costs until you take a look at what running a lobster boat costs per diem.

If the Sopranos have the distributorship locked up, why shouldn’t the Jacksons and the Gordons lock up the point-of-production sales, i.e. what it costs off the boat?

Mynheer Peeperkorn in Amsterdam might have to pay more to take his 17-year-old girlfriend out for Maine lobster in a week.

Sniff. Whuffle. Sigh.

352 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:29:30pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Lobsters are benthic detritavores =

bottom dwelling trash eaters.

Eech.

Let’s not bring the personal injury bar into this.

353 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:29:32pm

re: #343 Charles

Using the fact that the other side did it is a piss poor justification. I wish some one would get these people under control and help save us from the path Obama and the Dems are leading us down.

354 Van Helsing  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:30:17pm

re: #346 Oh no…Sand People!

The President’s policies suck. It doesn’t take skin color to tell me that. I just wish the ‘right’ was smarter than that and didn’t play into the ‘racism’ thing. But then again…the left is famous for equating anything they disagree with as being ‘racism’.

Which makes me think that conservatives need to be far more aggressive about sticking to the damn issues!

355 Sean  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:30:18pm
NEW YORK (AP) - Despite sweeping Democratic successes in the past two national elections, continuing job losses and President Barack Obama’s slipping support could lead to double-digit losses for the party in next year’s congressional races and may even threaten their House control.

AP News

Let’s make sure that we get the good people in!

356 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:30:19pm

re: #343 Charles

I agree Charles, but I just don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

357 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:31:03pm

re: #346 Oh no…Sand People!

We got the lunatics on the right and left and all of it is now just going to be boiled down to the fabricated ‘race’ issue. (Not discounting that there is true racism popping up…but how about we focus on it when it is a GENUINE racist issue as opposed to making stuff up. Like the ‘witchdoctor’ poster etc…)

The President’s policies suck. It doesn’t take skin color to tell me that. I just wish the ‘right’ was smarter than that and didn’t play into the ‘racism’ thing. But then again…the left is famous for equating anything they disagree with as being ‘racism’.

And that was my point. Thom Hartmann didn’t say “some conservatives.” He conflated the whole conservative movement with racists. He outright said that conservative didn’t want their children to listen to the presidents school speech because he was a black man with good advice.

358 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:31:04pm

re: #348 Erik The Red

Be careful who you friend.


Yep, one of my facebook friends is some weird dude who just moved from South Africa to Florida.

359 TheMatrix31  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:31:18pm

It’s not related to anything regarding politics persay, or with anyone I DONT know personally. The two people were not my friends on Facebook. It was a war over a status.

360 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:31:27pm

re: #344 SouthTexas

Will you really be happy with where this country is headed?

Yes we ar parts off sekrit commy conspircyto tek ove USa!

Please, that’s so antagonisitic it can’t be taken seriously. Or do you really think Charles wants the country to go full evil Commie?

361 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:31:58pm

re: #345 Jim in Virginia

So are oysters. But nothing tastes better.

Nothing tastes better? TRI-TIP! PWN3D!
/

362 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:32:30pm

re: #338 TheMatrix31

I got into a verbal argument with two people I hate over Facebook and they kept trying to get my info from people. They finally got it. They posted it on Facebook with my phone number, address, work place, everything. Saying “I’m coming for you soon.”

What’s my recourse here?

I think you could report that to their ISP. Or even the police. That sounds like a threat to me.

363 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:33:39pm

re: #343 Charles

You’re right. There’s a loss of memory.

A loss of memory about how vile and disgusting it was when the left smeared Bush with Nazi imagery.

It’s gotten so bad that the right wing is behaving just like the left wing behaved.

A loss of memory indeed.

Maybe they think it worked for the Dems, so they’re emulating the moonbats in the hope that their smear campaign will actually destroy Obama’s popularity.
Even so, they seem to have turned it up a notch.

364 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:33:49pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And that was my point. Thom Hartmann didn’t say “some conservatives.” He conflated the whole conservative movement with racists. He outright said that conservative didn’t want their children to listen to the presidents school speech because he was a black man with good advice.

Kinda like Dowd’s brain.

365 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:34:23pm

Using the numeric analysis in this article in USA Today , the 9/12 crowd appears as large as LBJ’s inauguration or maybe more. Could it be the msm has downplayed 9/12’s numbers?

Estimating the size of a crowd requires aerial photographs, dimensions of the gathering space, and an estimate of the crowd’s density.

If the National Mall is densely packed from Third Street to the Washington Monument, and if the area from the monument to the Lincoln Memorial has an average density, the space could contain 1.5 million people, Barna said. Average density is one person per 5 square feet. A tightly packed crowd has a density of one person per 2.5 square feet, an area slightly larger than this newspaper.

Clark McPhail, a University of Illinois professor and expert in crowd estimation, said it’s “very important” to provide a number, even if only an estimate. “These are events of historical significance,” he said. “A president ought to be able to know how many people turn out for his inauguration.”

366 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:34:27pm

re: #358 Jim in Virginia

Yep, one of my facebook friends is some weird dude who just moved from South Africa to Florida.

I am here in the philippines and a friend of mine was in a relationship with a dude from the states. It’s off now, but the guy is threatening via email and phone calls about how he is going to come for her when he flies here next time. “I know where you live. You can’t hide.” that type of BS.

Would notifying the embassy help? Anyway to get this guy on a ‘can not enter’ list here?

Just wondering if any of you have any idea on that.

367 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:35:32pm
368 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:36:19pm

re: #344 SouthTexas

Percentage to overall participants? The right has learned the effectiveness of this from the left, it motivates. Will you really be happy with where this country is headed?

No, nevermind, don’t bother.

If what was on display at 912dc at the podium and on the streets over the weekend is the alternative I would rather see this country led as it is now. I cannot and will not support Ron Paul, Dominionists, and so called Constitutionalists.

369 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:36:36pm

re: #367 taxfreekiller

What is going on with the guy who took an over dose of aspirin who was to go before the grand jury on the Blogabitch deal up Chicago Way.

Suicide or pushed by pressure or what?

Yeah. They seem pretty quiet on that.

I wonder what Blago is thinking now…

370 Chekote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:37:25pm

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?

Youtube Video
371 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:37:26pm

re: #367 taxfreekiller

What is going on with the guy who took an over dose of aspirin who was to go before the grand jury on the Blogabitch deal up Chicago Way.

Suicide or pushed by pressure or what?

Perhaps we can start noticing a trend of ‘chicago’ suicides / disappearances.

/Dons Tinfoil Hat.

372 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:37:48pm

re: #366 Oh no…Sand People!
Threats like that should be reported to the police. What’s the difference between posting that on the net or email, phoning it in, or sending a letter?

373 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:37:58pm

Tried scrolling to the bottom to get to the comments and ended up about 4 threads back.
Dang.
Missed the puppet show, too.
Was there a Lamb Chop? Burning Man?

374 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:38:12pm
375 offsetview  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:38:16pm

There is more than one thing going on with this executive branch and congress. It is hard to just focus on one item they’ve flooded the market in legislative terms with too much too fast and there is a reason for all this just not sure what. I guess we want know until the wreck is over.

376 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:38:39pm

re: #367 taxfreekiller

What is going on with the guy who took an over dose of aspirin who was to go before the grand jury on the Blogabitch deal up Chicago Way.

Suicide or pushed by pressure or what?


Authorities say death may be suicide but are investigating it as homicide

377 Erik The Red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:39:04pm

re: #358 Jim in Virginia

Yep, one of my facebook friends is some weird dude who just moved from South Africa to Florida.

ROTFLMAO. I wonder who the hell that is. :)))

378 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:39:27pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?


[Video]

My GF just showed me that. It makes me really really hope that someone makes Kanye West recover his teeth from his stool more than I did before.

379 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:39:29pm

re: #220 Sharmuta

I don’t disagree with you. But at this point the de facto leaders of the party- beck, rush, etc.- would skewer him and sink any chance he has to get the nomination, and before we’ve even reached the mid-term elections. The few who have tried to speak up have been back handed- look at what happened to Steele, and he actually IS in a position of leadership! To remain outside of this issue at this point keeps Romney alive. Keeping Romney alive at this point is our best shot at taking back the party.

This might explain it. I understand Romney is keeping his head down now; this from a Republican Town Committee member. He may or may not have actual knowledge, but he is from Mass.
(I see him at services at Chabad)

380 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:39:40pm

re: #368 Gus 802

If what was on display at 912dc at the podium and on the streets over the weekend is the alternative I would rather see this country led as it is now. I cannot and will not support Ron Paul, Dominionists, and so called Constitutionalists.


What, you think Secession is a bad idea? It worked out so well in 1861.

381 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:40:05pm

re: #372 Jim in Virginia

Threats like that should be reported to the police. What’s the difference between posting that on the net or email, phoning it in, or sending a letter?

Yeah. Gotcha.

I’m going to encourage action to be taken on that. Thanks.

382 Van Helsing  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:40:37pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?

Kanye West hates white women.

/Somebody was going to do it

383 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

So tell me this: If the Maine and New Hampshire lobstermen discovered they have endoskeletons and told the rest of the world “no more lobster under six bucks a pound”, would that be fair in your eyes?
Yes! If the oil company’s can get way with it and the market will pay it…go for it.

Don’t tell me about production costs until you take a look at what running a lobster boat costs per diem.
I know all about production cost, I deal with it daily. Charge what you have need or go out of business…happens everyday.

If the Sopranos have the distributorship locked up, why shouldn’t the Jacksons and the Gordons lock up the point-of-production sales, i.e. what it costs off the boat?
Please clue me in…are you talking about Michael and Flash?

Mynheer Peeperkorn in Amsterdam might have to pay more to take his 17-year-old girlfriend out for Maine lobster in a week.
Free market…price you pay for underage companionship.

Sniff. Whuffle. Sigh.

Cato, please put my comments in their full context.
I still haven’t figured out what you’re whining about.

384 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:41:03pm

re: #377 Erik The Red I was afraid I’d offended you.

385 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:42:01pm

re: #379 Kosh’s Shadow

This might explain it. I understand Romney is keeping his head down now; this from a Republican Town Committee member. He may or may not have actual knowledge, but he is from Mass.
(I see him at services at Chabad)


Romney?

386 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:42:14pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?


Channeling lefty:

RACIST!!!
/

387 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:42:21pm

re: #383 jorline

You may call it whining.

Tell that to a lobsterman with a family to feed.

388 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:42:29pm

re: #380 Jim in Virginia

What, you think Secession is a bad idea? It worked out so well in 1861.

Imagine if Texas seceded? Not that it will but they’d have to create a border separating them from the United States and Mexico. Maybe Austin would resist and become the New West Berlin — maybe it would be West Austin.

//

389 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:42:40pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

So tell me this: If the Maine and New Hampshire lobstermen discovered they have endoskeletons and told the rest of the world “no more lobster under six bucks a pound”, would that be fair in your eyes?

Don’t tell me about production costs until you take a look at what running a lobster boat costs per diem.

If the Sopranos have the distributorship locked up, why shouldn’t the Jacksons and the Gordons lock up the point-of-production sales, i.e. what it costs off the boat?

Mynheer Peeperkorn in Amsterdam might have to pay more to take his 17-year-old girlfriend out for Maine lobster in a week.

Sniff. Whuffle. Sigh.

I guess I could have said the price Mynheer pay for young tail.

390 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:43:04pm

Charles, you may not agree with the weirdos and wackos at 9/12, but down-dinging for numeric analysis? Numbers are apolitical.

391 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:43:27pm

Flounce away!

392 NukeAtomrod  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:44:13pm

These protests look just as stupid as all the Anti-Iraq War ones during the last 6-ish years. Oh well.

393 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:44:18pm

re: #383 jorline

Cato, please put my comments in their full context.
I still haven’t figured out what you’re whining about.

/last I could tell he was explaining his latent socialist tendencies, or something like that…

394 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:45:27pm

Quite a few right wing bloggers are coming out to support white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain tonight, despite the indisputable evidence that he associates with racist groups.

Cool. Lets me know exactly where I stand.

395 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:45:51pm

re: #387 Cato the Elder

You may call it whining.

Tell that to a lobsterman with a family to feed.

Cato…clue. Everyone is trying to feed their families now days.

Tell them to cut the Saprano’s out of the picture…hell form a union.

396 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:46:18pm

re: #370 Chekote

Wow, that was real classy.

397 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:46:26pm

re: #394 Charles

Quite a few right wing bloggers are coming out to support white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain tonight, despite the indisputable evidence that he associates with racist groups.

Cool. Lets me know exactly where I stand.

Any bloggers we should be aware of?

398 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:46:28pm

re: #390 ladycatnip

We’ll see what the Park Service says on Monday. Numbers are political and everybody tries to inflate their numbers when they have a march or protest.

399 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:46:59pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?

Youtube Video

That crass bastard! I’d have been tempted to shove that award up his butt. Just who does he think he is?

400 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:47:34pm
401 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:48:20pm

Time to help my daughter with her two remaining science homework questions.

BBL

402 Chekote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:48:40pm

re: #399 MandyManners

I think Taylor was just shocked. She is a teenager. What an a-hole! Sorry for the language.

403 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:48:40pm

re: #400 taxfreekiller

?? “girl friend drove him to hospital”???
married three kids ,,, Odd that.

/democrat.

404 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:48:40pm

re: #397 Sharmuta

Any bloggers we should be aware of?

[Link: blogsearch.google.com…]

405 Oh no...Sand People!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:48:46pm

Gotta sleep.

Later all.

406 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:49:14pm

re: #394 Charles

Yeah, that’s gonna help get conservatives elected. WTF is with these people?

407 Racer X  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?


[Video]

Racist!

408 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #395 jorline

Cato…clue. Everyone is trying to feed their families now days.

Tell them to cut the Saprano’s out of the picture…hell form a union.

Precisely my suggestion.

409 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:49:47pm

re: #403 brookly red

/democrat.

Sanford and The Spankster in California.

411 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:50:52pm

re: #404 Charles

[Link: blogsearch.google.com…]

Thanks. GoV doesn’t surprise me.

412 avanti  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:51:05pm

re: #315 J.S.

I believe it was earlier this year (?) when George Bush visited Calgary, to give a speech (as a private citizen, not as president, of course). Anyway, there were huge protests — including one set-up in which the protesters (iirc) had a life-size picture of Bush, and participants were encouraged to hurl shoes at the picture, etc.

I just watched CNN point out some diffreances to the current situation. Yes, there were some loonies at rallies and on the net that said awlful things about Bush, but I don’t recall major cable networks and talk shows encouraging the behavior like we do today. For example, Bush was indeed called a liar, but no one was as disrespectful as to do it at a joint session of congress, nor have the guy that did it made a hero.
I sure there are many conservative that are as embarrassed by that behavior as I was when it was directed at Bush, but the conservative leadership (if there is any) is silent.

413 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:51:11pm

Ooh. But unions are de facto eevul.

Just think of the burdens they’ve foisted on us. The forty-hour week. No child labor. Paid vacations.

Screw that shite.

414 Coracle  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:51:52pm

re: #403 brookly red

/democrat.

That’s right. If he were a Republican, he’d have been in Argentina with his girlfriend.

Sauce. Goose. Gander.

415 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:51:53pm

An Israel Air Force pilot, the son of an astronaut who died aboard the space shuttle Columbia in 2003, was killed Sunday in an F-16 fighter jet crash, Israel Defense Forces said in a statement.

SNIP

[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com…]

416 Achilles Tang  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:51:53pm

re: #394 Charles

Quite a few right wing bloggers are coming out to support white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain tonight, despite the indisputable evidence that he associates with racist groups.

Cool. Lets me know exactly where I stand.

I don’t know this guy from anywhere except here, but after trying to catch up after driving all day and noting your earlier research on his activities, I can’t help but wonder what were his, R. S. McCain’s, opinions on “association” when we were discussing Obama and the likes of Ayers or the lovely Rev. Wright?

417 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:52:01pm

re: #409 MandyManners

Sanford and The Spankster in California.

/3 kids? well I can see why the wife wouldn’t take him to the hospital…

418 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:52:06pm

re: #409 MandyManners

The Spankster in California.

Not fair bringing that up, Mandy. I’ve never held public office, nor been in the public eye.

/wait, what?

419 jaunte  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:52:28pm

Lobsters not mandatory.


The “boat price” of lobsters has crashed from a peak of more than $12 a pound in the spring of 2007 to around $2.50 a pound today.
…
The problem comes down to supply and demand, said Jeff Woodman of Owls Head, who works both as a lobsterman and a wholesale buyer.

The lobster catch this summer appears normal. But hard-pressed consumers view lobsters as a luxury they can do without.

“What are you going to buy when you go to the store? Toothpaste and toilet paper,” he said. “At the bottom of the list is lobster.”
[Link: pressherald.mainetoday.com…]

420 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:52:32pm

re: #407 Racer X

Racist!

As a life long somnambulist I have always believed in the peoples struggle against awakening.

421 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:53:18pm

A motherlode of tea party bad craziness:

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

422 Achilles Tang  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:53:22pm

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

As a life long somnambulist I have always believed in the peoples struggle against awakening.

Sweet dreams you must have.

423 ladycatnip  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:54:20pm

#398 Killgore Trout

We’ll see what the Park Service says on Monday. Numbers are political and everybody tries to inflate their numbers when they have a march or protest.

I agree that each side of the aisle tries to inflate or deflate numbers for their own political gain, but this analysis was written the day of Obama’s inauguration, and I assume LBJ’s numbers were used as a control.

424 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:54:44pm

re: #421 Charles

A motherlode of tea party bad craziness:

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

All lefty, union plants, of course.
/

425 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:09pm
426 avanti  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:18pm

re: #365 ladycatnip

Using the numeric analysis in this article in USA Today , the 9/12 crowd appears as large as LBJ’s inauguration or maybe more. Could it be the msm has downplayed 9/12’s numbers?

I have not seen any evidence of the crowd being packed at anywhere near that density. Those density numbers might work near the stage at a rock concert, but I did not see anything that tight.

427 Racer X  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:24pm

Got this in an email - -

Yesterday, I was at my local Wal-Mart buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Biscuit the Wonder Dog, and was in the checkout line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So, since I’m retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn’t have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn’t, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I’d lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IV’s in both arms.

I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way that it works is to load your pants pockets with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again.

I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.

Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care because the dog food poisoned me.

I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff an Irish Setter’s butt and a car hit us both.

I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard.

Wal-Mart won’t let me shop there anymore.

Better watch what you ask retired people. They have all the time in the world to think of crazy things to say.

Forward this (especially) to all your retired friends…it will be their laugh for the day.

428 Chekote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:25pm

re: #413 Cato the Elder

Unions have long past their usefulness. Nowadays they do more harm than good.

429 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:52pm

Dead man just won’t shut up…
Osama bin Laden warns Americans in tape: website


Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden issued an apparently new audio tape on an Islamist website on Monday, warning the American people over their government’s close ties to Israel.

The message, entitled “A statement to the American people,” was approximately 10 minutes long and appeared on a website often used by supporters of al Qaeda.

430 Chekote  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:55:59pm

I mean passed. Time to sleep. G-nite everyone.

431 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:56:08pm

re: #424 Slumbering Behemoth

All lefty, union plants, of course.
/

/or lobstermen…

432 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:56:45pm

re: #419 jaunte

Lobsters not mandatory.


Supply and demand.
Lobsters have been about $6/lb around here in the mid atlantic states.
Since people are not buying, prices go down.

I bought giant mums this afternoon at my favorite nursery. They were $20 last year, but this year they were only $8. People are not buying things, so prices go down.

433 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:56:59pm

re: #428 Chekote

Unions have long past their usefulness. Nowadays they do more harm than good.

Stoopid talking point number 207.

And the word is “passed”.

I have a friend who thinks the NAACP is no longer necessary, too.

Bite me.

434 brookly red  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 7:59:49pm

Well that was fun, good night all.

435 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:01:07pm

re: #425 taxfreekiller

Earlier fire extinguishing efforts have led to an abnormal fuel load. But the bigger fires are leading back to a natural balance. Also, forest management is more sophisticated than it used to be; there are now programs of controlled burns, which are quite natural because man is a part of nature too.

Good night all, again.

436 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:02:21pm
437 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:02:51pm

Parents wanted to keep away their children from listening to the president speak on the first day of school. They complained of the assignment and an imagined audacity to the whole event.

Instead, many of the parents that refused to allow their children to listen to the president took their children to the 912dc event where they participated in holding up signs of the president — putting him in between the likeness of Adolph Hitler and Karl Marx.

One of which you can see right here.

There were many other children being led by their parents at 912dc. One of them included a child holding a sign with a portrait of the president and describing him as “Montana Road Kill.”

438 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:02:54pm

re: #425 taxfreekiller

It is thought that the length of time between fires, now causes them to be worse, since the brush isn’t thinned out regularly.
[Link: www.coastal.ca.gov…]

439 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:02:54pm

re: #413 Cato the Elder

Ooh. But unions are de facto eevul.

Just think of the burdens they’ve foisted on us. The forty-hour week. No child labor. Paid vacations.

Screw that shite.

Unions used to be very necessary. Now - they kill off companies like GM with 2 inch thick work rules that make it impossible to be competitive.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:03:26pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

I heard a repeat of far left progressive radio talk show host Thom Hartmann today and he said the reason conservatives didn’t want their children to listen to Obama’s school speech was because conservatives didn’t want their kids hearing a black man tell them good things.

“White folks only want to hear the good shit: life eternal, a place in God’s Heaven. But as soon as they hear they’re getting this good shit from a black Jesus, they freak. And that, my friends, is called hypocrisy. A black man can steal your stereo, but he can’t be your Savior.”

///Dogma

441 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:04:26pm

Good night, Lizards.

442 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:04:27pm

re: #431 brookly red

/or lobstermen…

Are lobstermen anything like crab people?

443 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:05:09pm
444 soxfan4life  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #439 FrogMarch

Unions used to be very necessary. Now - they kill off companies like GM with 2 inch thick work rules that make it impossible to be competitive.

The UAW should have been dealt with back in the 1960’s. The big threes failure to do so then led to their demise in 2009. You can’t fault the union for wanting the automakers to live up to pension plans and health insurance plans bargained for years ago in good faith. In fact not doing so could result in the members filing lawsuits for misrepresentation.

445 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:06:23pm

Evening Honcos!

Went by a farmers market picked up up big bag of root vegetables, red, white, blue and gold finger potatoes, parsnips, carrots turnips tossed ‘em all in with a nice roast and the it smells wonderful. Picked up a flat of blueberries, blackberries and raspberries and have been in berry heaven all afternoon.

446 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #412 avanti

Yes, I think there are some real differences — Code Pink moonbats vs the ultra right-wing crop we’re seeing here…(with some of the latter there’s also the avowed racism, along with threats of violence…) Up here in Canada, the Bush hatred was mainstream — some of it was really “over-the-top” — they would attack everything — from the Patriot Act to the War in Iraq/Afghanistan (the CBC, for example, absolutely refused to “embed” with US forces or send over any journalists to the war zones, since they deemed it’d be all just be US pro-war propaganda…after 9/11 any American newscaster who wore a flag pin was defamed as a George Bush toady, on and on…Even just a day or so ago — on the anniversary of 9/11 — what did CBC do? Well, of course, they did an interview with a person from al-Jazeera…then, later had on a commentator who claimed that 9/11 changed absolutely nothing, in that, Americans are still war mongers and Americans are still all about conducting their colonial wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (it’s all about “da oil” doncha know), etc., etc. Need I go on? )

447 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:07:36pm

re: #445 jcm

Upding for Honcos!

448 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:08:30pm

re: #446 J.S.

Yes, I think there are some real differences — Code Pink moonbats vs the ultra right-wing crop we’re seeing here…(with some of the latter there’s also the avowed racism, along with threats of violence…) Up here in Canada, the Bush hatred was mainstream — some of it was really “over-the-top” — they would attack everything — from the Patriot Act to the War in Iraq/Afghanistan (the CBC, for example, absolutely refused to “embed” with US forces or send over any journalists to the war zones, since they deemed it’d be all just be US pro-war propaganda…after 9/11 any American newscaster who wore a flag pin was defamed as a George Bush toady, on and on…Even just a day or so ago — on the anniversary of 9/11 — what did CBC do? Well, of course, they did an interview with a person from al-Jazeera…then, later had on a commentator who claimed that 9/11 changed absolutely nothing, in that, Americans are still war mongers and Americans are still all about conducting their colonial wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (it’s all about “da oil” doncha know), etc., etc. Need I go on? )

On the other hand, we had the leader of the opposition at the time (now Prime Minister) publicly apologizing for Canada’s lack of involvement in Iraq. So i’d say a lot of that was in the media, especially since we elected the most pro-American leader I can imagine.

449 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:08:33pm

re: #445 jcm

Blue berries freeze really well too. I’m going to buy a bunch next week and freeze single servings in vacuum sealed bags to get me through the winter.

450 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:10:01pm

re: #428 Chekote

Unions have long past their usefulness. Nowadays they do more harm than good.

Concur.

451 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:10:02pm

re: #445 jcm

ihateyou

/jealous

Which Farmer’s Market? Pike Place?

452 What, me worry?  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:10:16pm

re: #415 MandyManners

An Israel Air Force pilot, the son of an astronaut who died aboard the space shuttle Columbia in 2003, was killed Sunday in an F-16 fighter jet crash, Israel Defense Forces said in a statement.

SNIP

[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com…]

Ilan Ramon was also the pilot who dropped the missile into Sadaam Hussein’s nuclear reactor (or processing plant) in 1981. It was his first mission as a young air force pilot. A number of pilots flew over the reactors. Ilan had the last position, the most dangerous if they were shot at. He volunteered to do it because as a young man, he didn’t have a wife and children waiting at home. He was successful, of course!

The first Israeli astronaut, he also took a Torah into space which was used by a rabbi at Bergen-Belson concentration camp. It’s a beautiful sad story.

[Link: www.weststreetproductions.com…]

Very sad to hear more tragedy for this family. Two very brave men.

453 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:10:41pm

re: #437 Gus 802

“In troubled times the fearful and naive are always drawn to charismatic radicals.”

Oh my, that’s a Capitol Mall full of irony!

454 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:08pm

re: #370 Chekote

Sorry for the OT but have you guys seen what Kanye West did to Taylor Swift at the VMA?



What a putz.

455 Racer X  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:13pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Blue berries freeze really well too. I’m going to buy a bunch next week and freeze single servings in vacuum sealed bags to get me through the winter.

Still Tasty

456 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:15pm

re: #448 McSpiff

(I don’t think our current Prime Minister with his minority government got in because of his sympathy for America, etc. — probably cost him votes…Right now the polls are 50/50 split between the conservatives and the liberals.)

457 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:47pm

re: #451 Slumbering Behemoth

ihateyou

/jealous

Which Farmer’s Market? Pike Place?

Lake Forest Park. There’s one there every other week. There’s another one in Ballard and U. District during the season.

458 Bobblehead  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:55pm

Something beautiful to end this contentious weekend:
“Wild Horses”sung by Susan Boyle. This woman has a truly lovely voice.

Youtube Video
459 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:55pm

re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth

This is my kinda Crab Song.

460 VioletTiger  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:11:56pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Blue berries freeze really well too. I’m going to buy a bunch next week and freeze single servings in vacuum sealed bags to get me through the winter.

Alton Brown had a program once where he showed how to freeze berries quickly so that ice crystals did not form. When they defrosted, they were just like fresh and not mushy. I think he used dry ice.

461 BignJames  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:12:25pm

re: #442 Slumbering Behemoth

Are lobstermen anything like crab people?

Crabbers?

462 Racer X  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:12:35pm

re: #460 VioletTiger

Alton Brown had a program once where he showed how to freeze berries quickly so that ice crystals did not form. When they defrosted, they were just like fresh and not mushy. I think he used dry ice.

Here is one way.

463 Gus  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:12:37pm

re: #453 BigPapa

“In troubled times the fearful and naive are always drawn to charismatic radicals.”

Oh my, that’s a Capitol Mall full of irony!

Yeah, maybe they weren’t paying attention to the speaker.

Who is J. Michael Haynes? That’s the name of the person that originally created that sign.

464 Van Helsing  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:12:58pm

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

Concur.

Well, somebody has to collect all those dues to use for the good of their membership: Campaign contributions

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:13:01pm

re: #455 Racer X

Still Tasty

Awesome link. Bookmarked!

466 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:13:01pm

re: #439 FrogMarch

Unions used to be very necessary. Now - they kill off companies like GM with 2 inch thick work rules that make it impossible to be competitive.

Ah, yes. Bad, tricksy work rules. Like you can’t be asked to run up a ladder with a bad knee.

Poor, poor capitalists.

467 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:13:02pm

re: #456 J.S.

(I don’t think our current Prime Minister with his minority government got in because of his sympathy for America, etc. — probably cost him votes…Right now the polls are 50/50 split between the conservatives and the liberals.)

Id argue that at the very least that makes the majority of Canadians apathetic about the states, again outside of media.

468 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:13:15pm

Yes, I did just go there.

469 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:13:56pm

re: #444 soxfan4life

The UAW should have been dealt with back in the 1960’s. The big threes failure to do so then led to their demise in 2009. You can’t fault the union for wanting the automakers to live up to [unsustainable legacy costs] pension plans and health insurance plans bargained for years ago in good faith. In fact not doing so could result in the members filing lawsuits for misrepresentation.

The modern union is no different than big government. Take take take, and eventually, you kill the host. Business is about making a profit. With modern work rules preventing abuse, unions are not even necessary anymore.
I wonder why unions get a “free pass” out of the fees that will be leveled on non-union employers with this new health care plan?

470 avanti  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:14:16pm

re: #395 jorline

Cato…clue. Everyone is trying to feed their families now days.

Tell them to cut the Saprano’s out of the picture…hell form a union.

Greed is a normal human emotion, I saw it even selling auto parts. I had one garage stop buying automotive bulbs from me because my bulbs were 40 cents each and he could by cheap import bubs for half that. When I asked what he charged the customers, he told me $2.50 each. I tried to explain that we called the no-name import bulbs “flash bubs” because of their short life, he said “Great, than I’ll sell more of them”
It was the same at the car dealers. If you went in for a tune up, the mechanics would go to the parts counter and give the make and model, and get a stack of parts to replace without even opening the hood to see what was needed.

471 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:14:30pm

re: #452 marjoriemoon

Ilan Ramon was also the pilot who dropped the missile into Sadaam Hussein’s nuclear reactor (or processing plant) in 1981. It was his first mission as a young air force pilot. A number of pilots flew over the reactors. Ilan had the last position, the most dangerous if they were shot at. He volunteered to do it because as a young man, he didn’t have a wife and children waiting at home. He was successful, of course!

The first Israeli astronaut, he also took a Torah into space which was used by a rabbi at Bergen-Belson concentration camp. It’s a beautiful sad story.

[Link: www.weststreetproductions.com…]

Very sad to hear more tragedy for this family. Two very brave men.

Realwest has sometimes posted this vid when American servicemen passon. It works for memebers of the IAF, too:

Brothers In Arms

472 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:15:10pm

re: #457 jcm

Lake Forest Park. There’s one there every other week. There’s another one in Ballard and U. District during the season.

I miss Seattle. While watching the ‘Hawks game today, some shots they showed of the city made me long for home.

473 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:15:13pm

re: #329 Oh no…Sand People!

#311 “She can just state the facts later in her article without embellishing.”

I didn’t. She could have just used those examples without the earlier BS she throws in. But she’s gotta make her money too I guess…

Sorry for the delay, just had the power go out for ten minutes.

So his association with the “Heritage, not Hate” groups means nothing?

Her basic point , that people like Wilson simply cannot abide a black man in the White House has no legs? Really? And that this doesn’t inform us about the whacks at the recent protests?

Really?

474 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #468 Charles

Yes, I did just go there.

ALERT!
DECON at #468!

475 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:15:40pm

re: #462 Racer X

I’ll have to try that. I usually just throw them in the bag and into the freezer.

476 J.S.  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:16:17pm

re: #467 McSpiff

Actually, the “joke” is now the Conservatives are running ads which suggest that Michael Ignatieff is more American than he is Canadian…(hilarious).

477 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:16:26pm

re: #472 Enkidu90046

I miss Seattle. While watching the ‘Hawks game today, some shots they showed of the city made me long for home.

Poulsbo sunset cam shot for today.

478 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:17:16pm

re: #474 jcm

ALERT!
DECON at #468!

What happened?

479 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:18:05pm

re: #477 jcm

Poulsbo sunset cam shot for today.

If I ever leave where I am at now — I’m headed for the pacific NW.

Beautiful.

480 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:19:17pm

re: #473 austin_blue

Her basic point , that people like Wilson simply cannot abide a black man in the White House has no legs?

Her point was that Wilson ‘just about said’ ‘You Lie, Boy!’

She’s no different that the screwballs posting wacked out offensive signs at the rally. Make your point.

481 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:20:24pm

re: #477 jcm

Poulsbo sunset cam shot for today.

I cannot wait to come home for Thanksgiving. It will be my first time back in Seattle in 10 years (my father and I recently patched up a LONG rift between us… why is it that so many Jewish fathers and sons end up hating one another?)

482 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:20:49pm

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

What happened?

Where every he went, I want to make sure the bio-filters are working!

483 Why I Never!  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:21:02pm

re: #320 austin_blue

Must say I agree with you Austin. I despise MoDo, and can’t remember the last Maureen Dowd column I liked…possibly none. This one though, she nailed it.

I wonder how long til we find out she plagiarised chunks of it from a progressive blogger, heh.

484 jcm  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #481 Enkidu90046

I cannot wait to come home for Thanksgiving. It will be my first time back in Seattle in 10 years (my father and I recently patched up a LONG rift between us… why is it that so many Jewish fathers and sons end up hating one another?)

Glad to here that! Family rifts are always so sad.

485 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:22:46pm

re: #480 BigPapa

Her point was that Wilson ‘just about said’ ‘You Lie, Boy!’

She’s no different that the screwballs posting wacked out offensive signs at the rally. Make your point.

Are you kidding me? You think there are no racist components to these protests over the past three months?

Really?

What planet do you normally inhabit?

486 McSpiff  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:23:00pm

re: #476 J.S.

I saw those! Personally, not the route id take in an ad. I still think the media and now I guess the politicians over estimate Canada’s “hatred” for the states. If the liberals come back with the equivalent of “Right, anyways, here’s our plan to solve ‘x’ within 100 days…” I think the numbers would show a shift in their favor. Mind you I fully expect to see a worse campaign than the “Green or else!” campaign from last week election.

487 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:24:32pm

re: #485 austin_blue

Are you kidding me? You think there are no racist components to these protests over the past three months?

Really?

What planet do you normally inhabit?

Whatever planet it is, our TV signals haven’t been reaching it.

488 Cato the Elder  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:25:05pm

re: #383 jorline

Cato, please put my comments in their full context.

Just for future reference: I’ll do with your comments what I like.

As you will with mine.

When you jump all over the place from unions to production costs, where the heck is the context?

489 funky chicken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #3 EmmmieG

I attended the local tea party here last spring. I didn’t see anything like this. If I had, I would have turned around and gone home.

I do not understand why reasonable people would be willing to march or stand next to this.

(I’ll say it before you all do: This isn’t the Tea Party I knew. Well, it isn’t.)

I’m not the political protest type, because it seems that they bring out the weirdos on all sides. I’m not surprised that the weirdos were more highly represented in DC since most normal people aren’t going to take a weekend away from their lives to travel for something like this. I’d rather spend my money supporting my local economy anyway.

490 Enkidu90046  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:27:15pm

re: #484 jcm

Glad to here that! Family rifts are always so sad.

For now, political conversations are completely off limits, though… my dad is pretty much a moonbat… but he comes by it honestly… my grandpa was a raving communist and my father’s first cousin is a VERY liberal senator. By becoming a Republican and a Marine, I pretty much guaranteed myself the status of “black sheep” of the family.

491 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:28:34pm

re: #485 austin_blue

Are you kidding me? You think there are no racist components to these protests over the past three months?

Really?

What planet do you normally inhabit?

That’s 4 questions in a row. Can you say something direct instead of Straw Man questions? The concept that there are racist components at these rallies is not new to anybody and that wasn’t the key point of Dowd’s column. Instead of asking me another intellectually dishonest incredulous question please say in 2 or 4 sentences what was so great about Dowd’s column.

Dowd’s point was that Wilson is just a racist, a common meme about as constructive and cogent as many of the vile 9/12 rally posters. But it seems you’re giving her a pass on the crass and cynical flair that is a NYT columnist who gets paid to write that stuff.

492 funky chicken  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:28:38pm

re: #473 austin_blue

Sorry for the delay, just had the power go out for ten minutes.

So his association with the “Heritage, not Hate” groups means nothing?

Her basic point , that people like Wilson simply cannot abide a black man in the White House has no legs? Really? And that this doesn’t inform us about the whacks at the recent protests?

Really?

Sorry, but I’m not on board with assuming that Wilson is a racist. Ron Paul? yeah

I’m tired of idiot NY Times commentators and their rapid deployment of racism accusations.

493 austin_blue  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:31:16pm

re: #491 BigPapa

That’s 4 questions in a row. Can you say something direct instead of Straw Man questions? The concept that there are racist components at these rallies is not new to anybody and that wasn’t the key point of Dowd’s column. Instead of asking me another intellectually dishonest incredulous question please say in 2 or 4 sentences what was so great about Dowd’s column.

Dowd’s point was that Wilson is just a racist, a common meme about as constructive and cogent as many of the vile 9/12 rally posters. But it seems you’re giving her a pass on the crass and cynical flair that is a NYT columnist who gets paid to write that stuff.

OK. Look at the pictures Charles has been posting. See a straw man there?

494 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:33:41pm

re: #492 funky chicken

Sorry, but I’m not on board with assuming that Wilson is a racist. Ron Paul? yeah

I’m tired of idiot NY Times commentators and their rapid deployment of racism accusations.

Wilson has some questionable ties to possibly racist groups. So therefore it’s safe to assume that what he really meant to say/just about said/wanted to say was “You Lie, Boy!”

According to an LGF’er with a superb negative karma, he’s from NC… well he’s a Southerner! Racist! It’s OK to paint Southerners as racist because of some poll a few months ago.

This is the same thought processes at work and worthy of the same disdain as those who carry around those crazy posters at the 9/12 rallies. I hold Dowd to the same principles as any conservative, if not higher because she’s supposed to be educated. I hold the same standard of any Honco.

495 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #491 BigPapa

That’s 4 questions in a row. Can you say something direct instead of Straw Man questions? The concept that there are racist components at these rallies is not new to anybody and that wasn’t the key point of Dowd’s column. Instead of asking me another intellectually dishonest incredulous question please say in 2 or 4 sentences what was so great about Dowd’s column.

Dowd’s point was that Wilson is just a racist, a common meme about as constructive and cogent as many of the vile 9/12 rally posters. But it seems you’re giving her a pass on the crass and cynical flair that is a NYT columnist who gets paid to write that stuff.

Well, Wilson did a bad thing. I don’t know if he said “boy” or not. If he did, then he is certainly a racist. Using that word to refer to a black man is racist.

496 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:35:15pm

OK repost on the same Damn theme…

As to the Nazis are leftists meme…

This is one of those that also pisses me off endlessly. Nothing like shamelessly distorting the history of evil to suit your petty talking points…

Yeah, very classy.

How about we just call it what it is?

To use the nazis are leftists theme, is not only ignorant, stupid and devoid of any knowledge of actual history, but it demonstrates that the suffering of the dead and the sacrifices of our soldiers are not due any honor or reverence in the face of trying to make the most cheap and pathetic talking points.

People who do this shit piss me off.

I occasionally berate some of my fellow Jews for being the sort to bring up the Holocaust at any opportunity. I usually start by pointing out that they have never, thank -G-d, met a real nazi, and that they are disrespecting our dead by daring to assume that they died so that some spoiled American can make a cheap point in some debate.

So how much more pissed off am I when I see dumb ass rednecks doing it?

These people need to be slapped.

497 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:35:24pm

re: #493 austin_blue

OK. Look at the pictures Charles has been posting. See a straw man there?

You will not stay on point and stick to the discussion. I read Dowd’s column: you’re making an association that isn’t there.

Again, what was so good or wonderful about Dowd’s column?

498 FrogMarch  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:38:43pm

re: #469 FrogMarch

The modern union is no different than big government. Take take take, and eventually, you kill the host. Business is about making a profit. With modern work rules preventing abuse, unions are not even necessary anymore.
I wonder why unions get a “free pass” out of the fees that will be leveled on non-union employers with this new health care plan?

I was talking to a small business owner the other day (a landscaper) and I complimented him on his crew. (they work hard - nice group of guys… etc…)
Anyway, he said it’s tough finding and keeping good people. In order to keep a good crew he has to pay them well and offer benefits. He also provides incentives for profit sharing. This is supply and demand at work - not the union.

499 danrudy  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:38:44pm

The power of branding…from Pajama Media.

Interesting take on the use of branding by the Obama Administration

Power of branding and the “o” symbol…

500 Kronocide  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:38:57pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Well, Wilson did a bad thing. I don’t know if he said “boy” or not.

He did not say ‘boy,’ Dowd is implying that he might as well have said it among other intellectually lazy and partisan things. And what he did was a bad thing no doubt.

He may be a flaming racist for all we know and have Swastika undies but at this point we’re reaching for that.

501 Randall Gross  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:40:01pm

re: #421 Charles

A motherlode of tea party bad craziness:

[Link: www.flickr.com…]

C’mon Charles you are cherry picking…

/ / /

502 jorline  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:49:22pm

re: #488 Cato the Elder

Just for future reference: I’ll do with your comments what I like.
I’m sure you will. I know it’s hard, but work on being less of a flaming asshole.

As you will with mine.
Please let me know whenever I do. I always want to get your full rational thought process included.

When you jump all over the place from unions to production costs, where the heck is the context?
Go back and read the entire string of comments…it followed one train of thought Cato, sorry I lost you. The only mention of unions was in my last comment to you…purely tongue in cheek.
btw…I loved bailing out union pension plans with my tax dollars.
//

Nice come back Cato…par for the course.

503 Mauser  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 8:54:11pm

A friend of mine pointed out a very disturbing thing. The left used all of these despicable tactics that we are decrying (rightfully) today, AND THEY WON. I can’t help but think that some people are assuming that these despicable tactics are the path to victory, that if they are as bad to Obama as the wacko left was to Bush, they can defeat him.

Sorry, but while I want to win, I don’t want to win THAT WAY.

504 Big Boots that's BOOTS  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:01:52pm

now if there was only something about creation the circle would be complete.

505 Mauser  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:02:09pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

Blue berries freeze really well too. I’m going to buy a bunch next week and freeze single servings in vacuum sealed bags to get me through the winter.

My Mom’s trick when she made Blueberry muffins was the leave the berries frozen when she added them to the batter, that way they didn’t get all crushed and mangled in the mixer.

506 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:03:57pm

re: #503 Mauser

There were so many factors involved in the last POTUS election, stating that the democrats won because of the dirty tactics of crank protesters on the left is just woefully stupid.

507 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:04:31pm

re: #503 Mauser

A friend of mine pointed out a very disturbing thing. The left used all of these despicable tactics that we are decrying (rightfully) today, AND THEY WON. I can’t help but think that some people are assuming that these despicable tactics are the path to victory, that if they are as bad to Obama as the wacko left was to Bush, they can defeat him.

Sorry, but while I want to win, I don’t want to win THAT WAY.

This talking point is complete bullshit. The Democrats only started winning when Howard Dean made a determined effort to push out the kooks, before the 2006 elections. The extremists were a liability, not an asset.

508 harpsicon  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:17:49pm

re: #8 Charles

I disagree. The military broke into the president’s house, arrested him, and deported him, by force. That’s the very definition of a military coup.

Whether it was justified or not is a different issue. That was a coup.

Actually, no. A military coup happens when a cabal of military plotters usurps the existing government and institutes their own. Here, the military acted as a police force under orders from the Supreme Court of a democratically elected government. As the Supreme Court of a democratically elected government is the epitome of the Rule of Law, this was not a “coup”.

It was sad that they could not have held an impeachment, and done things more calmly, but Zeleya had already printed up ballots (in Venezuela) for a phony referendum that had already been outlawed by the Supreme Court, and had taken measures to steal back the impounded ballots and go ahead with his plan. Thus their extreme actions.

509 opinionator  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:46:17pm

So were there any signs that were not racist? That made excellent points? Out of several hundred thousand, I am willing to bet that the vast majority were decent folks expressing their displeasure with the President. Let’s not tar everyone with that brush.

510 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 9:54:08pm

re: #509 opinionator

How about this instead… find something, anything, that shows anyone in this “vast majority” of “decent folks” taking to task these disgusting assholes with their disgusting signs.

Seems to me that everyone else was quite comfortable with these douche bags being there.

Silence is consent.

511 sagehen  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:07:43pm

re: #507 Charles

This talking point is complete bullshit. The Democrats only started winning when Howard Dean made a determined effort to push out the kooks, before the 2006 elections. The extremists were a liability, not an asset.


The Dems were helped along by incompetence (Katrina) and/or overreaching (Terri Schiavo, Social Secuity privatization) by the Reps.

512 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:22:38pm
513 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:26:47pm

Ultra-lame flounce!

514 Stickman  Sun, Sep 13, 2009 10:34:59pm

It’s important to remember that the views of decent people who believe in less government and all the many other conservative positions skates perilously close in a very large and general way to some of the more radical right positions. It’s not uncommon for these folks to share a very superficial connection. They seem to represent the same positions but are in fact extremely different so we shouldn’t clump everyone in together. I wish we could keep those radical people away too but…

515 Mauser  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:42:58am

re: #507 Charles

I never said it was logical, I was pointing out how the “Kook Logic” is working.

I think the kooks have made the connection between leftist kooks and a Democrat victory, and are attempting the same thing for the right.

It’s bad logic, but what can you do? Talking sense to them will never dissuade them.

516 AtadOFF  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 3:58:20am

If you hoping that the wacky right is an less crazy than the wacky left… your wacky.

517 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 6:55:41am

re: #466 Cato the Elder

Ah, yes. Bad, tricksy work rules. Like you can’t be asked to run up a ladder with a bad knee.

Poor, poor capitalists.

No no - It’s evil evil kapitaltists - forcing folks with bad knees up ladders.

518 Servo Cicero  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:38:18am

The “only a small portion of the meat in your stew is rotten” example is spot on imo.

It seems that the “rotten” portion of the GOP “stew” is slowly infecting the rest (even the healthy vegetable bits!). If that rotten portion is allowed to fester and spread, an independant or centerist democrat who sniffs the meal to see if it’s something they wish to partake of, will be repulsed by the smell of the dish as a whole. (that paragraph makes sense I swear! =)

It’s time to get a spoon, scoop out those bad pieces, and hope that the fresh smell will draw in customers from other establishments.

519 Flavia  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:13:00am

I wonder how many of these jackasses think they are “just doing what the left did” - as if that makes it any better? (And I wonder how many of them are just using that as an excuse?)

520 mulgamutt  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 8:50:39am

“And last but not least, a couple of patriots advocating a military coup.”

Except that there was no military coup in Honduras. The ex-pres tried to change the rules for his own gain. Even his own congress, political party and military sided against his efforts, following the constitution of Honduras. The ex-pres is a Chavez-wannabe thug that should be out of a job; sadly, the US thinks he’s the good guy in this situation.

521 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 9:18:21am

re: #520 mulgamutt

“And last but not least, a couple of patriots advocating a military coup.”

Except that there was no military coup in Honduras. The ex-pres tried to change the rules for his own gain. Even his own congress, political party and military sided against his efforts, following the constitution of Honduras. The ex-pres is a Chavez-wannabe thug that should be out of a job; sadly, the US thinks he’s the good guy in this situation.

So what do you think they’re advocating above?

522 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 11:12:11am
523 prof.young  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 12:42:08pm

Charles,

As a professor of political science I must point out that your understanding of a “coup” is not supported by any of the literature on the subject. Coups are always characterized by the use of force to remove a leader through illegal or non-constitutional means. Obviously not the case in Honduras. The Court ordered the President arrested and removed for violating the constitution (uncontested fact.) The military complied and the legislature took over and an interim President was named pending new elections.

I recommend a refresher course in introductory political science.

524 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #523 prof.young

And I recommend a course in beginning reading comprehension, Professor.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

525 Toastrider  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 7:19:09pm

Except that the military was merely the facilitator, not the instigator. If the police had shown up to arrest the president, would you call it a ‘police force coup’?

526 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 10:15:22pm
527 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 14, 2009 10:16:16pm

Another epic flounce!

528 BurtB  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:29:12pm

Please explain how the military, following the orders of the Supreme court of Honduras, replacing the president of Honduras with a member of his political party, is a coup?

I thought a coup was one side violently overthrowing the government to install their people.

529 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 16, 2009 11:30:47pm

re: #528 BurtB

Please explain how the military, following the orders of the Supreme court of Honduras, replacing the president of Honduras with a member of his political party, is a coup?

I thought a coup was one side violently overthrowing the government to install their people.

Well, since in the United States the military doesn’t have the power to depose a President by legal means, exactly what do you think the people in that photograph are advocating?


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