Video: Climate Deniers Love the 70s

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Peter Sinclair’s latest “remixed” video (an improved version of an earlier release) deals with another climate change deniers’ claim that keeps coming up over and over — that scientists believed the Earth was “cooling” in the 1970s. The reason it keeps popping up: it’s supposed to convince you that climate scientists were wrong when they said the Earth was cooling, so they’re probably wrong again when they say the Earth is warming.

But this whole meme is simply wrong. There was no scientific consensus that the Earth was entering an ice age. And you can blame the media for creating this false impression.

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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:17:10pm

Love the retro soundtrack.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:18:59pm

YouTube is choking right now.

3 Summer Seale  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:19:05pm

I'll bet anything right now that a year from now, even after thousands of documented proofs have been shown to them, they'll be repeating the same debunked mantra.

4 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:19:17pm

Disco inferno!

5 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:19:51pm

re: #3 Summer

It's what they do. Just like the scorpion.

6 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:20:40pm

I think this is one of the best Crock of the Week videos in recent weeks. The 70s Ice Age talking point gets tossed out so frequently that the only thing that there is to do, it seems, is keep beating it back every time it's mentioned. This video is highly effective in refuting all the denialist nonsense on the 70s.

7 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:21:24pm

So, instead of a hockey stick, they'll say it's a bell bottom!
/

8 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:21:41pm

It's peeeeooople. Soylent green is peeeeooople.

Sorry. Environmentalism and the 70s will always bring up that movie in my mind.

9 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:21:44pm

I recall a particular National Geographic from the late 70's that talked about this subject. Don't have it in front of me, but I remember them talking about how the weather was growing more unpredictable, not colder. To this effect, the article was titled "The year the weather went wild". Could this have been the start of AGW?

10 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:22:37pm

Was on the front cover as well, so its not as if it would be hard to miss.

11 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:22:40pm

I also really loved the TV show clip from the 50s. That was great.

12 freetoken  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:22:43pm

re: #2 Charles

I was wondering why in both Firefox and Safari that the video is absent.

13 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:22:58pm

Awesome. Love the inclusion of the Bell Telephone Science House clip from 1958. Great for adding historical context.

14 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:23:19pm

The video's working for me and I use firefox.

15 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:23:25pm

re: #3 Summer

I'll bet anything right now that a year from now, even after thousands of documented proofs have been shown to them, they'll be repeating the same debunked mantra.

Just like the "experts" once in the employ of the cigarette industry:

"There's no conclusive proof..."

/speaking of the 70s

Oh yeah, and SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

16 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:23:52pm

Climate change denial is one of the many reasons America's political spectrum is calibrated to the right. Indeed, that many (ostensibly) Democrats often stonewalling on taking urgent action only serves to give the impression that they are center-right and not leftist at all. And it drives home the point that conservative politics is of no benefit to American political discourse.

17 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #13 Gus 802

Awesome. Love the inclusion of the Bell Telephone Science House Hour clip from 1958. Great for adding historical context.

Hour, not house. Woops, PIMF.

18 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:24:27pm

Climate denier malaise?

/Jimmy Carter was the 70s...

19 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:24:45pm

re: #13 Gus 802

Awesome. Love the inclusion of the Bell Telephone Science House clip from 1958. Great for adding historical context.

Yep- that was totally awesome.

20 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:25:00pm

re: #12 freetoken

I was wondering why in both Firefox and Safari that the video is absent.

Yeah, I am not getting a lot of LGF love from my Firefox lately too... Problem is I hate the windows version of Safari, and Chrome is just a toy... I don't even want to think about going back to IE

21 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:26:34pm

I was in elementary school in the 70's. In fact, I was in 1st grade for the first Earth Day. I remember all the hype --fear about the ozonb layer etc. I remember something about an ice age.

I think I've been inundated about climate issues for so many years it's like "crying wolf" to me. I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. It seems like there is always someone playing chicken little telling me if I don't do something extreme --RIGHT NOW--the Earth will cease to be.

I don't mean to deny anything. I just see a lot of money involved and don't have enough of a science back ground to really understand any of it.

I have a feeling I'm not the only one feeling this way.

22 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:27:02pm

re: #20 cwnorma

I have been running Seamonkey. Very strong even on 1000+ comment threads. Music, video, all good. On my home XP, and a strong but a bit dated PC.

23 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:27:50pm

I just updated to the newest version of Firefox a few days ago. That may be what's causing the problems. Mine seems to be working fine.

24 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:27:53pm

re: #22 Rightwingconspirator

I have been running Seamonkey. Very strong even on 1000+ comment threads. Music, video, all good. On my home XP, and a strong but a bit dated PC.

Thanks!
/can't hurt to try

25 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:28:56pm

re: #18 laZardo

Climate denier malaise?

/Jimmy Carter was the 70s...

Malaise Forever!

26 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:29:14pm

re: #19 Sharmuta

Yep- that was totally awesome.

Here's a clip of that.

The Unchained Goddess (Yep that's the title.)

Youtube Video

Same clip that Sinclair used but with the introduction and title.

27 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:29:27pm

Some of what they discuss in the beginning of the video, you can read about more here:

A Hyperlinked History of Climate Change Science

28 Locker  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:29:41pm

Video is fine for me and I'm running Firefox 3.5.5 with a bunch of security addins including noscript, adblock plus and ghostery.

29 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:29:46pm

re: #23 Irenicum

I just updated to the newest version of Firefox a few days ago. That may be what's causing the problems. Mine seems to be working fine.

I got it too, but for some reason it still seems to choke on java heavy items of late...

30 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:30:00pm

re: #18 laZardo

Climate denier malaise?

/Jimmy Carter was the 70s...

Well, at least two good things came out of the 70's:

1. My parents got married.

2. I was born.

31 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:30:12pm

I'm loving Safari on my HP.

32 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:31:44pm

re: #26 Gus 802

Produced by Frank Capra- wasn't expecting to see that.

33 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:31:59pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least two good things came out of the 70's:

1. My parents got married.

2. I was born.

Same situation here! How many of us Lizards are spawn of the 70's?

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:32:50pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Well, at least two good things came out of the 70's:

1. My parents got married.

2. I was born.

Same here, sort of. I was born in the '70s, and my parents got divorced in the '70s. Trust me, that is a good thing.

35 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:32:58pm

re: #18 laZardo

Now that is a painful memory. The misery Index. Don't get me started on the Peanut President.

36 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:33:06pm

Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape

/Somehow that just felt right

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:33:21pm

re: #33 Surabaya Stew

Same situation here! How many of us Lizards are spawn of the 70's?

I was born in 73.

38 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:33:43pm

re: #36 cwnorma

Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape

/Somehow that just felt right

Wrong film...

It's PEOPLE!

39 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:33:53pm

re: #36 cwnorma

Get your hands off me you damn dirty ape

/Somehow that just felt right

I own every movie.

Were they products of the 70's?

40 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:34:02pm

Aw, you're all such youngens! So cute!

41 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:34:36pm

re: #32 Sharmuta

Produced by Frank Capra- wasn't expecting to see that.

Yep, Mel Blanc had a voice part as well.

Here's the IMDB page.

Looks like it was an animation feature.

Fourth of four educational films produced by Bell Laboratories and directed by Frank Capra on the subjects of the sun, the human circulatory system, radioactivity and the weather. These films were used regularly in classrooms since they were well produced and Bell Laboratories would supply 16mm copies of the films to schools free of charge.

42 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:35:04pm

I've not had problems with Firefox on Ubuntu 8.10 or Safari on Tiger.

43 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:35:04pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Bde, bde, bde, that's all folks!

44 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:35:07pm

re: #39 ggt

I own every movie.

Were they products of the 70's?

The first few were. The last one came out in the early 80's.

45 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:35:49pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

Wrong film...

It's PEOPLE!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

/yep

46 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:35:50pm

re: #41 Gus 802

Interesting!

47 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:36:03pm

The Year I was Born is also the Year the Ford Mustang was born --according to this site.

48 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:36:21pm

I can remember my earth sience classes from the 70's... & I don't blame the media. We were taught to prepare for a mass migration south. OK this has nothing to with "today's sience" But my parents did buy a few acres of swampland (from the school principal, LOL ) in Florida just in case.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:36:40pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

I was born in 73.

1976 for me!

/The same year BOC's Agents of Fortune came out

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:36:43pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Your younger than me? I don't know why, but I always figured you to be older. Maybe it's all the big words you use. ;)

51 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:36:46pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

I was born in 73.

I was born within a day of Tiger Woods. He's about the only celebrity nearly my exact age.

52 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:37:51pm

It is fascinating that scientists already had an inkling of the damage done by CO2 emissions as far back as 58. That's amazing. And it reminds me as well of the tobacco denial industry. Exact same meme.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:38:10pm

re: #43 Irenicum

Twiki? Izzat you?

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:38:13pm

re: #39 ggt

I own every movie.

Were they products of the 70's?

The first movie is great, the second movie is horrible...the one with the dark future revolutionary apes was good, the comedy-apes-in-20th century earth movie sucked...

/I can't remember what they're all called, they're just all Ape movies to me

55 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:38:31pm

re: #33 Surabaya Stew

Same situation here! How many of us Lizards are spawn of the 70's?

I was.

56 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:38:39pm

re: #21 ggt

The thing with the ozone though- we took measure to stop it's depletion, and that now seems to be working. I think the ozone should show not how you should be cynical about climate science, but the opposite. How climate scientists get it right ad how we can take action together to correct these problems.

57 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:38:48pm

re: #47 ggt

I'm a Mustang baby too!

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:39:04pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Your younger than me? I don't know why, but I always figured you to be older. Maybe it's all the big words you use. ;)

I pegged SFZ and you as around my age because you both seem to get some of my jokes :D

59 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:39:07pm

re: #55 Jadespring

I was.

Err... I mean I am.

60 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:39:20pm

Summer of love kiddies!

61 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:40:22pm

re: #52 Irenicum

It is fascinating that scientists already had an inkling of the damage done by CO2 emissions as far back as 58. That's amazing. And it reminds me as well of the tobacco denial industry. Exact same meme.

Longer than that!

In 1896 a Swedish scientist published a new idea. As humanity burned fossil fuels such as coal, which added carbon dioxide gas to the Earth's atmosphere, we would raise the planet's average temperature.

[Link: www.aip.org...]

62 cliffster  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:40:26pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

1976 for me!

/The same year BOC's Agents of Fortune came out

You're the same age as my wife. That pisses me off.

63 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:40:35pm

Just give 'em sci-fi (1960 - 1970 movies & tv retrospective) (Music: Colourbox: Just Give 'Em Whiskey) -

Youtube Video
64 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:40:35pm

re: #52 Irenicum

It is fascinating that scientists already had an inkling of the damage done by CO2 emissions as far back as 58. That's amazing. And it reminds me as well of the tobacco denial industry. Exact same meme.

The science work leading up to that started in the 19th century. See The Discovery of Global Warming - The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect.

65 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:40:54pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

Exactly. If it had not been stopped, we'd even worse off by now. Positive change can happen.

66 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:41:05pm

re: #60 cwnorma

Summer of love kiddies!

Wrong decade, but very close.

/heh. '69.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:41:10pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

The thing with the ozone though- we took measure to stop it's depletion, and that now seems to be working. I think the ozone should show not how you should be cynical about climate science, but the opposite. How climate scientists get it right ad how we can take action together to correct these problems.

I don't think I'm cynical as much as "burned-out".

Perhaps it takes such a frenzy to get humans to act on anything --I dont' know.

68 Gus  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:41:30pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

[Link: www.aip.org...]

There it is! I'm going to print out that chapter and study it.

69 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:04pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

1976 for me!

/The same year BOC's Agents of Fortune came out

1977 here.

70 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:11pm

re: #61 Sharmuta

Wow! Thanks Sharmuta!

71 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:31pm

re: #66 laZardo

Wrong decade, but very close.

/heh. '69.


/Wrong? It worked for me...

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:32pm

Expecting over a foot of snow this weekend.

Not about AGW or anything. Just expecting over a foot of snow this weekend. Haven't seen that much snow in a long time (not counting Pike's Peak).

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:35pm

Here's something else that's good from the 70's:

Miss You - Rolling Stones

No embedding, sorry

74 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:42:37pm

re: #67 ggt

I don't think I'm cynical as much as "burned-out".

Perhaps it takes such a frenzy to get humans to act on anything --I dont' know.

That's what freetoken keeps theorizing, and he could very well be right. It's not in our nature to think ahead multiple generations. We tend to act when the crisis is closer.

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:43:24pm

re: #69 BryanS

1977 here.

Me too.

76 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:43:44pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

And the cars of the time... hurrgh.

77 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:44:07pm

re: #60 cwnorma

Summer of love kiddies!

I'm another of those 70's babies, but my parents were conservative Republicans. (That's how they described themselves, 'Republican' alone not sounding conservative enough to them.)

Not sure what they were doing during the summer of love, but they weren't at Woodstock.
I wonder how many of us have (wildly) different political ideologies than our parents?

78 Cheechako  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:44:10pm

/Geeze...I've been sitting at the kiddies table all this time!

But, i will admit, it does help keep my mind sharp.

79 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:44:34pm

re: #33 Surabaya Stew

Same situation here! How many of us Lizards are spawn of the 70's?

I was a teenager in the 70s. You should see the hair mountain I sported back then.

80 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:44:40pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's OK. I've got 9 degrees right now with a wind chill of -7. Ugh! But the night sky is crystal clear and quite beautiful. So many stars!

81 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:44:45pm

Sigh.

Yet another idiot is using the contact form to send one hate mail after another. Four so far today, each one more ignorant and slobbery than the last.

Again I'm amazed at how much more hateful and stupid the emails from right wingers are than anything I ever received from an Islamist or a left winger. I'm talking several orders of magnitude worse.

82 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:45:03pm

re: #68 Gus 802

Here's the home page

The Discovery of Global Warming

83 Digital Display  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:45:09pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Expecting over a foot of snow this weekend.

Not about AGW or anything. Just expecting over a foot of snow this weekend. Haven't seen that much snow in a long time (not counting Pike's Peak).

Just got back from the Colt's party..We won...I brought home a huge leftover Chiefs salad...Eating now..Jealous Veggie? *wink*
Colts 14-0 undefeated!!

84 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:45:21pm

Snow set to disrupt travellers across much of the UK

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Mommy why did Al Gore lie to us?///

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:45:41pm

re: #81 Charles

Sigh.

Yet another idiot is using the contact form to send one hate mail after another. Four so far today, each one more ignorant and slobbery than the last.

Again I'm amazed at how much more hateful and stupid the emails from right wingers are than anything I ever received from an Islamist or a left winger. I'm talking several orders of magnitude worse.

Any of them worthy of posting?

86 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:46:23pm

re: #56 Sharmuta

Lets not forget catalytic converters, that helped the air in every city. Industrial scrubbers. Like the ones where I work. Our new buses are methane, not diesel. If we can help the air at ground level we can help it at altitude.

87 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:46:42pm

Ford Mustang (wiki)

OK, I want one.

88 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:47:03pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Any of them worthy of posting?

Not really. Just the same old insults and stupidity. Nothing even funny about them.

89 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:47:16pm

re: #84 Jimmah

Snow set to disrupt travellers across much of the UK

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Mommy why did Al Gore lie to us?///

/because we let him honey...

90 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:47:37pm

re: #77 iceweasel

Good question. My mom was a moderate Democrat, whereas my fatehr was a flaming liberal who always said what we needed was a good socialist party! I, on the other hand can't really count myself among either side, simply because my views cut across the spectrum.

91 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:47:53pm

re: #86 Rightwingconspirator

I am 100% behind public transportation converting to hybrid buses and the like. Not only is it better for the environment, but it's cheaper for the government to run. It's a win-win.

92 Basho  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:48:08pm

re: #81 Charles

Sigh.

Yet another idiot is using the contact form to send one hate mail after another. Four so far today, each one more ignorant and slobbery than the last.

Again I'm amazed at how much more hateful and stupid the emails from right wingers are than anything I ever received from an Islamist or a left winger. I'm talking several orders of magnitude worse.

I live in the Northeast so I don't know... but it must be hell for a pregnant teenage girl or for a homosexual living in these winger communities. Damn...

93 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:48:17pm

re: #77 iceweasel

I wonder how many of us have (wildly) different political ideologies than our parents?

My 'rents are Conservative, Republicans as well. Me I'm more center-Right (socially liberal, fiscally conservative...) so I don't know about radically different. But a good friend of mine is an uber-right wing athiest spawn of biker parents... So who really knows...

/introspection and speculation

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:48:49pm

re: #92 Basho

I live in the Northeast so I don't know... but it must be hell for a pregnant teenage girl or for a homosexual living in these winger communities. Damn...

Actually, the pregnant teenage girl is embraced for not choosing abortion.

The homosexual is probably ignored.

95 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:49:17pm

re: #81 Charles

Wow. Worse than an Islamist. Now that's saying something!

96 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:49:41pm

re: #88 Charles

Not really. Just the same old insults and stupidity. Nothing even funny about them.

Ugh. Sorry that happens to you. If it helps at all, I want to thank you once again; You showed me that the right was turning in to slime and your doing so helped me avoid getting mired in the slime myself. Thank you for that.

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:49:45pm

bbiab

98 Basho  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:49:55pm

re: #84 Jimmah


Mommy why did Al Gore lie to us?///

Because, son, draconian population reduction measures are very important to the globalist elites (Bilderbergs, Trilateralists, and CFR).

(Just wanted to post that one last time. Heading to bed in a few) XD

99 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:50:27pm

re: #77 iceweasel

I wonder how many of us have (wildly) different political ideologies than our parents?

My mom is a proud Born Again who often finds fault with my dad's stern Catholicism. Both are rigidly conservative, but even as an atheist-nihilist I don't let it bother me much.

100 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:50:49pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Me too.

Seems like a lot of us on the blog tonight were born in the 70s. re: #88 Charles

Not really. Just the same old insults and stupidity. Nothing even funny about them.

Not really surprising, though. The right fringe has this "second amendment" death threat thing they pull out all the time, while claiming they are just talking about their rights. Been seeing a lot of that on the conservative blogs of late. Hot Air actually banned swamprat--wasn't that one that was banned here?--for that reason. Though they could stand to bring out the ban stick a bit more often.

101 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:50:51pm

re: #81 Charles

Geez, it's not like a person has to have a partner to make use of Viagra. If they took a little blue pill once in a while, they might have something more productive to do with their time than write hate mail.

/yes, I am calling them limp-dicked, impotent losers that longer have the ability to masturbate

102 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:51:41pm

re: #87 ggt

That is one gawgeous car! My sister had a white one from 64 and gave the damn thing away! Aaaahhh!

103 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:52:09pm

re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

I was a teenager in the 70s. You should see the hair mountain I sported back then.

The kind that would scare children these days? I've seen pictures of those! As it was, my elder brother sported a dutch boy bowl haircut that was hip for the era, but throws his gender identity off when viewed in old pictures today. No joke; when combined with a pink and lavender turtleneck, his own kids thought he was a girl! They sure dressed up back in those days....

104 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:52:33pm

re: #89 brookly red

/because we let him honey...

Ok, but that was of course a joke at the expense of AGW deniers who seem to think that a single snowfall is a killer blow to the idea of climate change.

105 Basho  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:52:40pm

re: #94 ggt

Actually, the pregnant teenage girl is embraced for not choosing abortion.

That's not what I hear from Chuck Norris.

106 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:52:54pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

Agreed. I'm a huge public transit fan. More trains!

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:52:58pm

back -quicker than I thought.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:53:45pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Ugh. Sorry that happens to you. If it helps at all, I want to thank you once again; You showed me that the right was turning in to slime and your doing so helped me avoid getting mired in the slime myself. Thank you for that.

Quite concur.

109 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:54:11pm

re: #103 Surabaya Stew

The kind that would scare children these days? I've seen pictures of those! As it was, my elder brother sported a dutch boy bowl haircut that was hip for the era, but throws his gender identity off when viewed in old pictures today. No joke; when combined with a pink and lavender turtleneck, his own kids thought he was a girl! They sure dressed up back in those days...

At least he didn't grow up hip in the 80s. Then they'll think he had a gender-change surgery at some point in his life.

110 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:54:17pm

re: #98 Basho

Because, son, draconian population reduction measures are very important to the globalist elites (Bilderbergs, Trilateralists, and CFR).

(Just wanted to post that one last time. Heading to bed in a few) XD

That explains eveything. Literally ;-)

Have a good one Basho.

111 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:54:33pm

re: #93 cwnorma

My 'rents are Conservative, Republicans as well. Me I'm more center-Right (socially liberal, fiscally conservative...)

I found that an interesting comment, because I describe myself with the same parenthetical. But I would never dream of calling such a position "center-right."

Not a challenge or anything. Genuinely curious why you chose that label.

112 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:54:42pm

re: #77 iceweasel

I'm another of those 70's babies, but my parents were conservative Republicans. (That's how they described themselves, 'Republican' alone not sounding conservative enough to them.)

Not sure what they were doing during the summer of love, but they weren't at Woodstock.
I wonder how many of us have (wildly) different political ideologies than our parents?


well a few years later there was a band called the Who, and they had this song called The New Revolution, & for some reason I just keep thinking about it...

113 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:54:57pm

Chuck Norris is such a badass, even his stupid ________________

114 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:55:12pm

re: #112 brookly red

well a few years later there was a band called the Who, and they had this song called The New Revolution, & for some reason I just keep thinking about it...

Just so you don't get fooled again?

/YYYEEEAAAHHH

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:55:24pm

re: #88 Charles

Not really. Just the same old insults and stupidity. Nothing even funny about them.

If it will make you feel any better, the stalkers are calling you Joe Lieberman.

116 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:55:46pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

I am a long time subway guy. I deliberately moved near the not yet built station. The methane buses are great. Soon I hope, split the hydrogen out of the methane and bury the carbon. Run the bus or its electric generator on hydrogen. You could sell the water it makes as its emissions.

At my work we use hydrogen instead of dirty gases. No smoke at all. Enough heat to cast platinum at 3600 F.

117 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:55:59pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

If it will make you feel any better, the stalkers are calling you Joe Lieberman.

...how does that even work?

118 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:56:02pm

re: #105 Basho

That's not what I hear from Chuck Norris.

Brawn, not, Brain.

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:56:12pm

re: #113 cwnorma

... is impervious?

120 Summer Seale  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:57:06pm
Video: Climate Deniers Love the 70s

It's too bad that they didn't stay there.

121 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:57:27pm

re: #111 Jaerik

I found that an interesting comment, because I describe myself with the same parenthetical. But I would never dream of calling such a position "center-right."

Not a challenge or anything. Genuinely curious why you chose that label.

I'd pick the same label for myself. Why center-right? Because "right" these days means social conservatives. This country is center-right by my estimation.

122 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:57:34pm

re: #100 BryanS

So I guess it wouldn't appropriate for me to play this by the Police?

Youtube Video
123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:57:58pm

re: #117 Jaerik

Well, Joe is a librul joo, and now that Charles has abandoned Israel and hates joos they are... wait what?
/

124 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:58:16pm

re: #117 Jaerik

...how does that even work?

I don't know. It's just a link. I guess it's true because they say so?

125 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:58:36pm

re: #117 Jaerik

...how does that even work?

Trying to understand what passes for 'thought' over there is like trying to untangle a plate of spaghetti.

/You probably could do it, eventually, but why?

126 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 8:58:54pm

re: #115 Sharmuta

If it will make you feel any better, the stalkers are calling you Joe Lieberman.

That 'insult' is really a mark of honor. Senator Lieberman is a better man than the great majority of the Senate (and any of the stalkers).

127 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:00:03pm

re: #122 Irenicum

So I guess it wouldn't appropriate for me to play this by the Police?


[Video]

That's quite the find. Sting was pretty big as I became more culturally aware--being born in the late 70s, that's more like the 80s for me.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:00:43pm

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

Your younger than me? I don't know why, but I always figured you to be older. Maybe it's all the big words you use. ;)

I always tell my students, "That's what things were like when your teacher was a little girl--back when rocks were soft, and dinosaurs ruled the earth..."

129 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:00:59pm

re: #104 Jimmah

I still hear that nonsense from my right wing friends every time there's a cold snap. I think it's just easier than thinking.

130 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:01:24pm

re: #104 Jimmah

Ok, but that was of course a joke at the expense of AGW deniers who seem to think that a single snowfall is a killer blow to the idea of climate change.

Oooh, and I know that once you round up all of those filthy deniers and put em in camps that everything is gonna be groovy... I am so glad that the next generation has things under control.

131 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:01:40pm

re: #109 laZardo

At least he didn't grow up hip in the 80s. Then they'll think he had a gender-change surgery at some point in his life.

Ain't that the truth! At least the 70's were cool enough to mock while remaining cute and cuddley, while the 80's too weird and cold to make fun of. Remember how That 80's Show utterly failed while That 70's Show was a major success? I'd like to think the pathos of the respective decades played a part in that....

132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:02:16pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I always tell my students, "That's what things were like when your teacher was a little girl--back when rocks were soft, and dinosaurs ruled the earth..."

Back when you actually had to go over to someone else's house to play video games with them, none of this headset internet crap!

133 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:02:40pm

re: #111 Jaerik

I found that an interesting comment, because I describe myself with the same parenthetical. But I would never dream of calling such a position "center-right."

Not a challenge or anything. Genuinely curious why you chose that label.

I usually found the country running aspects of the right more to my tastes i.e. small efficient government, trickle down econ, etc. But I am very tolerant of others and never felt comfortable with the right's embracement of the so-called "religious right" starting with Fallwell on. So I guess I "feel" like I hew more to the right...

134 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:02:45pm

re: #114 laZardo

Just so you don't get fooled again?

/YYYEEEAAAHHH

bingo!

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:03:17pm

re: #131 Surabaya Stew

Ain't that the truth! At least the 70's were cool enough to mock while remaining cute and cuddley, while the 80's too weird and cold to make fun of. Remember how That 80's Show utterly failed while That 70's Show was a major success? I'd like to think the pathos of the respective decades played a part in that...

I think the 80's are great to make fun of! You just have to make sure the tone of humor reflects the decade. See: American Psycho.

136 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:03:43pm

re: #130 brookly red

Oooh, and I know that once you round up all of those filthy deniers and put em in camps that everything is gonna be groovy...

Youtube Video
137 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:04:37pm

There might be a big HVAC company called

"Global Heating & Cooling."

Good Night All.

(HVAC = Heating Ventilating and Air Conditioning)

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:04:42pm

re: #77 iceweasel

I'm another of those 70's babies, but my parents were conservative Republicans. (That's how they described themselves, 'Republican' alone not sounding conservative enough to them.)

Not sure what they were doing during the summer of love, but they weren't at Woodstock.
I wonder how many of us have (wildly) different political ideologies than our parents?

I don't. Raised moderate Democrat, reverted to that after a very brief, half-assed, embarassing attempt to be a lefty type.

I'm almost ridiculously in lockstep with my parents. Our bitterest political feud in recent days was that my father voted for Obama in the primary, and my mother and I were staunch Hillary girls.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:05:07pm

re: #79 The Sanity Inspector

I was a teenager in the 70s. You should see the hair mountain I sported back then.

My uncles had truly mighty Jewfros in those years.

140 freetoken  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:05:21pm

This week is the annual AGU meeting (as I've mentioned earlier), and there are many presentations, including ones on dealing with handling Climate Change as a matter of Science Communication.

There was a panel of three speakers, but I will link the video/presentation to only one:

[Link: eventcg.com...]

A bit boring at times, but the presenter covers many bases about what is happening in the US wrt climate change policy and public perception.

For the science and policy nerd.

141 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:05:27pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I always tell my students, "That's what things were like when your teacher was a little girl--back when rocks were soft, and dinosaurs ruled the earth..."

Ha ha. My nephew is 5 and now into dinosaurs. Last month he asked my sister who is 30, "Mom your old right? What were dinosaurs when you were young and before they all died?" I love how young kids imagine time. For us it was asking Mom what it was like to live in Little House on the Prairie times.

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:05:47pm

re: #111 Jaerik

I found that an interesting comment, because I describe myself with the same parenthetical. But I would never dream of calling such a position "center-right."

Not a challenge or anything. Genuinely curious why you chose that label.

I'm having a hard time labelling myself lately. I don't know where I fall in in any continuum.

-I believe in monogamy -- but not necessarily in marriage.
-I think monogamy as a pre-req for parenthood is best for the child.
-I think contraception is a right and abortion a horrible choice that sometimes has to be made-both of which are private, medical choices.
-I believe in a higher power and think people would be happier if they stayed out of my business, as I do my best to stay out of theirs.
-It would be nice if we could pay for everything and the world would all sing kumbaya, but that is not reality and; therefore, the Second Amendment is necessary to preserve individual freedom --which I believe rests on the right to self-defense, and property rights.
-I think slavery and rape should be capital crimes.
-I'd like to think that education is about reading, ritin' and rithmatic, but have come to understand that such things as "use words, not fists" aren't always taught at home and have to be incorporated in to public education-AND I don't like it.
-I think Power is the most insidious of addictions and there are many in and out of Washington D.C. who would like to see our system be streamlined in order to consolidate power in what they hope will be their hands.

So where do I fall in the continuum.

143 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:06:31pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

If Gore won back in 2000, Hillary would be President today!

/lol, mindfucking.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:06:35pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I'm more or less right with my parents too. My dad believes in vouchers for schools, I don't. That's our biggest disagreement on politics. :D

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:06:42pm

re: #133 cwnorma

High hive!

146 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:13pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

I think the 80's are great to make fun of! You just have to make sure the tone of humor reflects the decade. See: American Psycho.

Perhaps the 80's just needs the right kind of director to be mocked. (Never saw American Psycho, alas.) Or maybe I grew up on too much of it for modern 80's satire to gain on me. Now that I think about it, I sure watched a damn lot of television that decade!

147 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:21pm

re: #81 Charles

Again I'm amazed at how much more hateful and stupid the emails from right wingers are than anything I ever received from an Islamist or a left winger. I'm talking several orders of magnitude worse.

Fascinating, Captain.

/Spock

148 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:22pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

High hive!

/Oooh, I have hives once...

149 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:28pm

re: #132 WindUpBird

Back when you actually had to go over to someone else's house to play video games with them, none of this headset internet crap!

Before even wired remote control --eeegad!

150 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:35pm

re: #142 ggt

You sound pretty constrained.

151 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:38pm

re: #141 Jadespring

Well if you take em to the Creation museum (sic) you can show them pictures of her riding one!
/

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:07:51pm

re: #94 ggt


The homosexual is probably ignored.

Or beaten the crap out of at school. I know some people who grew up in a communities where being gay was pure hell.

And even in Menlo Park, CA, of all places, one of my friends had the principal pull her out of class to tell her solemnly that maybe she and her best friend were TOO CLOSE, and this could be a PROBLEM for their NATURAL DEVELOPMENT.

153 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:08:06pm

re: #142 ggt

NAZI!

/Godwin's law, check.

154 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:08:19pm

re: #121 BryanS

I'd pick the same label for myself. Why center-right? Because "right" these days means social conservatives. This country is center-right by my estimation.

Sure, that's valid. I won't presume to know where the majority of Americans stand on social issues these days, but I'll concede the point for the sake of argument.

cwnorma said that he was "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" though, like myself.

I agree with you that "Right" these days generally puts more weight on social conservatism than fiscal. Hence my curiosity why someone with such an ideological split would choose to call themselves "center-right" rather than "center-left" or something else.

Personally, I subscribe to the notion that fiscal issues and social issues should be viewed as orthogonal. So I'm not really arguing one way or the other. I'm just fascinated by the "center-right" label choice. No offense intended.

155 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:08:29pm

re: #142 ggt


So where do I fall in the continuum.

Right in the box marked 'sane'.

156 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:08:35pm

re: #151 Irenicum

Well if you take em to the Creation museum (sic) you can show them pictures of her riding one!
/

*facepalm* :)

157 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:09:03pm

re: #154 Jaerik

Ever hear a Libertarian is a Republican that wants to get high?

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:09:15pm

re: #155 iceweasel

Right in the box marked 'sane'.

awwww, aren't you nice.

159 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:09:20pm

re: #142 ggt

Perhaps Whig, per your last question.

Well goodnight again.

160 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:09:26pm

re: #142 ggt

A wonderful realist! Welcome aboard!

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:05pm

re: #150 Sharmuta

You sound pretty constrained.

ha!

162 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:17pm

re: #154 Jaerik

No offense intended.

/none taken.

163 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:19pm

re: #154 Jaerik

Many of us who are socially liberal but fiscally conservative wouldn't go with a "center-left" title because the left isn't conservative on fiscal matters.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:19pm

re: #148 cwnorma

/Oooh, I have hives once...

Ha ha ha! I meant high five. D'oh!

165 cliffster  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:25pm

re: #142 ggt

i heart ggt

166 freetoken  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:10:39pm

In the last link I posted, starting around 11:00 there is a good discussion about "framing".

167 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:19pm

re: #149 ggt

Before even wired remote control --eeegad!

They were tough times. Had to get by with my Atari 2600 before the Nintendo finally came out. Didn't have computers--finally got my Commodore 64, and had to load programs with this 'LOAD "*" , 8 , 1' crap. I tell you, those were tough times.

168 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:26pm

re: #161 ggt

The left-right spectrum doesn't work. The visions are a much better indicator of where you stand.

169 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:30pm

re: #143 laZardo

If Gore won back in 2000, Hillary would be President today!

/lol, mindfucking.

That's not so far off the mark. Assuming Gore had won in 2004, and the nation was doing well, Hillary would be an obvious choice for 2008. Going a step further: if Gore had won in 2000, or Kerry had won in 2004, Obama would not be President today. (And I say this as a supporter of his!)

170 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:44pm

re: #158 ggt

awww, aren't you nice.

I think there's a hell of a lot more overlap amongst all sane americans than the current partisan situation allows for. The left/right labels obfuscate that. (as do the party labels).

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:49pm

re: #131 Surabaya Stew

Ain't that the truth! At least the 70's were cool enough to mock while remaining cute and cuddley, while the 80's too weird and cold to make fun of. Remember how That 80's Show utterly failed while That 70's Show was a major success? I'd like to think the pathos of the respective decades played a part in that...

The 80s were really, really weird.

The only area I ever want to revisit them is in teen movies and perfumes.

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:11:59pm

bbiab --again.

173 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:12:04pm

re: #164 Slumbering Behemoth

Ha ha ha! I meant high five. D'oh!

That typo was so cute, I went back and updinged it.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #132 WindUpBird

Back when you actually had to go over to someone else's house to play video games with them, none of this headset internet crap!

We used to rent BETA VCRs and walk them home from the store to see our rented tapes on.

175 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:13:07pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

The 80s were really, really weird.

The only area I ever want to revisit them is in teen movies and perfumes.

But the music was good.

176 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:13:29pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

The 80s were really, really weird.

The only area I ever want to revisit them is in teen movies and perfumes.

Don't forget Family Ties reruns!
/

177 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:13:30pm

re: #167 BryanS

I miss Pong!

178 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #176 Surabaya Stew

Don't forget Family Ties reruns!
/

And The Smurfs!

179 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:14:00pm

re: #157 Rightwingconspirator

Ever hear a Libertarian is a Republican that wants to get high?

A libertarian is a republican who smokes pot; an anarchist is a libertarian without a bank account.

180 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:14:45pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

But the music was good.

And the videogames. The ones based in that decade anyway.

Youtube Video

/my first video game was MarioKart in 1992. I feel like I was born too late. ):

181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:14:53pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

'80s comedy films were fricken awesome, though. They don't make movies like that any more.

182 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:15:02pm

re: #157 Rightwingconspirator

Ever hear a Libertarian is a Republican that wants to get high?

Yeah, and that's why I called myself a libertarian for a time. Until I actually read the capital-L Libertarian party platform.

Those guys had "disconnected from reality" down to an art form way before Republicans' current spiral into crazytown.

183 cliffster  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:15:31pm

re: #179 iceweasel

A libertarian is a republican who smokes pot; an anarchist is a libertarian without a bank account.

Thanks to obsessive name-association, one can't speak well of libertarians around here, or one faces the wrath...

184 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:15:36pm

re: #177 Irenicum

I miss Pong!

I went to Disney World as kid in the early 70s and in the basement of the "Contemporana" hotel there was a cue of about 1000 people lined up to take a turn at an 8 foot tall box. Wondered what it was so stood in line... It was "Pong"

185 Locker  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:16:08pm

Favorite 80s Arcade Game: Tempest

186 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:16:39pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

Aww, c'mon. What about the wonderful hairstyles? Scroll down to the salesman look!

187 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:16:40pm

re: #180 laZardo

And the videogames. The ones based in that decade anyway.


[Video]/my first video game was MarioKart in 1992. I feel like I was born too late. ):

Oh, yeah. GTA Vice City and Vice City Stories were awesome, and their soundtracks were first rate. Vice City Stories was especially a relief after the low-end blunder that was Liberty City Stories.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:03pm

re: #182 Jaerik

Yeah, and that's why I called myself a libertarian for a time. Until I actually read the capital-L Libertarian party platform.

Those guys had "disconnected from reality" down to an art form way before Republicans' current spiral into crazytown.

Michelle Bachmann is the mayor of Crazytown.

189 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:06pm

re: #183 cliffster

Thanks to obsessive name-association, one can't speak well of libertarians around here, or one faces the wrath...

Shit, I'm new here. Did I break a rule? Have mercy on a bebe lizard!

190 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:08pm

re: #182 Jaerik

Yeah, and that's why I called myself a libertarian for a time. Until I actually read the capital-L Libertarian party platform.

Those guys had "disconnected from reality" down to an art form way before Republicans' current spiral into crazytown.

The idea of Libertarianism is sound. The reality, not so much.

191 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:35pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

The 80s were really, really weird.

The only area I ever want to revisit them is in teen movies and perfumes.

Oh god, the perfumes. Obsession. Poison. What else?

192 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #182 Jaerik

Yeah that was my read too.

193 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:17:58pm

re: #185 Locker

Missile Command

194 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:18:01pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

You would say that, wouldn't you!

195 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:18:03pm

re: #154 Jaerik

Sure, that's valid. I won't presume to know where the majority of Americans stand on social issues these days, but I'll concede the point for the sake of argument.

cwnorma said that he was "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" though, like myself.

I agree with you that "Right" these days generally puts more weight on social conservatism than fiscal. Hence my curiosity why someone with such an ideological split would choose to call themselves "center-right" rather than "center-left" or something else.

Personally, I subscribe to the notion that fiscal issues and social issues should be viewed as orthogonal. So I'm not really arguing one way or the other. I'm just fascinated by the "center-right" label choice. No offense intended.


Didn't intend to have a tone of being offended, so no offense taken on this end.

Orthogonal :) I'm thinking American politics needs an orthogonal multiplexing of sorts. We have no parties that are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Too bad.

196 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:19:33pm

re: #184 cwnorma

And it was so hard to play at first! Who says evolution isn't true!

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:19:33pm

re: #186 Irenicum

Aww, c'mon. What about the wonderful hairstyles? Scroll down to the salesman look!

Gawd. Cyndi Lauper. I was on the bus last year, and there was this woman in full Cyndi, hair, makeup, torn fishnets, short flappy skirt, the whole deal. I asked if she always dressed like that, and she explained that she worked the makeup counter at Macy's. They had an '80s Day, and told employees to come in '80s styles, but she'd been sent home, because her supervisor thought it was too much.

I thought that was supremely unfair.

198 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:19:57pm

re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth

Youtube Video

/it's the ending, but that's really the whole movie summed up right there.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:20:04pm

re: #189 Jaerik

Shit, I'm new here. Did I break a rule? Have mercy on a bebe lizard!

'Bebe lizard' is so cute that we'll forgive you anything...

200 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:20:09pm

re: #195 BryanS


Orthogonal :) I'm thinking American politics needs an orthogonal multiplexing of sorts. We have no parties that are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. Too bad.

I think part of the problem is that there are too many "one issue voters" for any kind of reasonable middle ground party to work.

/sadly

201 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:20:43pm

Speaking of labels not fitting:

Neither Goldwater nor Reagan Would Recognize The Modern GOP

I’ve often pointed out that, while some conservatives claim the conservative movement began with Barry Goldwater, modern conservatism has become a philosophy quite different from Goldwater’s beliefs. Goldwater was so distressed by the direction that conservatism was going, especially with the increasing influence of the religious right, that in his later years he even referred to himself as a liberal. I have no doubt that if he was still alive Goldwater would have actively backed Barack Obama over John McCain, especially after the addition of Sarah Palin to the ticket, as did two of his granddaughters. With the GOP becoming a southern regional party dominated recently by George Bush and now by politicians from the religious right such as Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin, the party has also moved away from the views of Ronald Reagan.

Read the whole thing.

202 cliffster  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:21:04pm

re: #189 Jaerik

Shit, I'm new here. Did I break a rule? Have mercy on a bebe lizard!

Put it this way. I like freedom. I don't want to be wiretapped, told how to have sex, or told what to do with my money. Freedom is good.

203 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:21:09pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

I hear Chinatown Wars is good, brings back the classic pseudo-3D style of the original games from the late 90s. They just released it on the PSP so I don't have to buy a new system. (:

204 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't you mean...Funky Town?

Youtube Video
205 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:21:17pm

re: #130 brookly red

Oooh, and I know that once you round up all of those filthy deniers and put em in camps that everything is gonna be groovy... I am so glad that the next generation has things under control.

Now that you put it like that I can see how educating people about the science that could greatly affect humanity's future is just like rounding people up and putting them in camps./

206 Blue Fin  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:22:13pm

re: #163 Sharmuta

I've never understood this description. How is it possible? I believe combining fiscally conservative with socially liberal is easier than combining oil and water. I wish it were possible but in reality, just a Utopian fantasy...ask our Cali governor.

207 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:22:23pm

re: #181 Slumbering Behemoth

'80s comedy films were fricken awesome, though. They don't make movies like that any more.

Bueller!

208 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:22:41pm

re: #185 Locker

Favorite 80s Arcade Game: Tempest

I nominate Joust or Qix as the 80's games to beat!

209 Bagua  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:22:53pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Or beaten the crap out of at school. I know some people who grew up in a communities where being gay was pure hell.
[...]

Kids tend to be neither Right Wing nor Left Wing. As a group they are more interested in what their own group is up to than in what party their Senator belongs to. Growing up gay could lead to bullying in almost any school setting irregardless of the adults political views, as can simply being perceived as gay.

210 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:23:09pm

re: #182 Jaerik

Yeah, and that's why I called myself a libertarian for a time. Until I actually read the capital-L Libertarian party platform.

Those guys had "disconnected from reality" down to an art form way before Republicans' current spiral into crazytown.

A shame really. It's been hijacked by Paulian kooks.

211 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:23:19pm

re: #202 cliffster

Hey I know people who pay good money to be told how to have sex.

/// (crack of whip)

212 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:23:24pm

re: #208 Surabaya Stew

Two words: Custer's Revenge.

They definitely don't make games like that anymore.

213 Locker  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:24:55pm

re: #208 Surabaya Stew

I nominate Joust or Qix as the 80's games to beat!

Qix was the bomb but to be honest my younger brother could kick my ass in it. Loved seeing the blocks of color fill in.

214 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:00pm

re: #212 laZardo

Two words: Custer's Revenge.

They definitely don't make games like that anymore.

And thank God for that! It was racist and sexist in the extreme.

215 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:04pm

re: #206 Blue Fin

I've never understood this description. How is it possible? I believe combining fiscally conservative with socially liberal is easier than combining oil and water. I wish it were possible but in reality, just a Utopian fantasy...ask our Cali governor.

It will remain like this until the theo-cons get kicked out. They are a turn off to people. They should be leading prayer meetings at church, not political functions. Give them the boot, and the rational people will come back.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:14pm

re: #202 cliffster

Put it this way. I like freedom. I don't want to be wiretapped, told how to have sex, or told what to do with my money. Freedom is good.

Look, for the last time, we agreed upon the safe-word and my fee ahead of time. I don't understand why you keep complaining.
/

217 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #210 BryanS

A shame really. It's been hijacked by Paulian kooks.

Kooks to the left of me, kooks to the right...

/Alfalfa with firecrackers

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:31pm

re: #180 laZardo

And the videogames. The ones based in that decade anyway.

[Video]/my first video game was MarioKart in 1992. I feel like I was born too late. ):

Ahh, Vice City. Still the best of the GTAs! Though GTA4 is hilarious for playing in the behind the wheel perspective like it's Deathrace 2000.

I remember getting the Atari 2600 for Christmas when I was like...agh, 4 or 5? It's scorched into my memory permanently, that machine was my favorite thing. To this day I still have one (though not the same one) and can pound all comers into ass dust in Indy 500.

219 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:26:59pm

re: #200 cwnorma

I think part of the problem is that there are too many "one issue voters" for any kind of reasonable middle ground party to work.

/sadly

I'm not entirely convinced that's true any more. It used to be true, I think-- in the 80's and 90's, hysteria over a single issue (abortion, gheys, whatever) used to work to turn out the votes, but not so much anymore.
The single-issue voters tended to be on the religious right, I think, and while that was a solid and winning electoral turnout for the GOP for years, that fell apart.

One reason why we're seeing the GOP in such disarray now, and turning further towards them, is an attempt to reforge that coalition and recapture that success.-- but the world has changed, younger evangelicals don't feel the same way about the social issues that so galvanized their parents.

Plus look at the huge upswing in people identifying as independent, or unaffiliated, and the dissatisfaction with both parties...I think people are fed up with the one-issue schtick, frankly.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:27:29pm

re: #191 iceweasel

Oh god, the perfumes. Obsession. Poison. What else?

Those were the heavy hitters for the decade. Samsara came out in 89, but it was really an afterthought. Giorgio. That was probably the first of the Killer 80s Florientals.

I reread Erica Jong's Parachutes and Kisses a while back, and oh, wow, it is so terribly 80s. The character wears suede boots, and fuschia, and off-the-shoulder sweaters, and every time she has a sexual encounter, which, being as it's Erica Jong, is often, she spritzes herself with Obsession.

I am so glad I was too young to really get the full brunt of 80s fashion.

221 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:27:55pm

re: #193 Rightwingconspirator

Missile Command

Donkey Kong. And, of course, Asteroids. Could play that one until the score reset--scary, I know.

Every once in a while, I hook up the old 2600 beast to my projector and sound system. The juxtaposition of dissonant technologies is fun.

222 brookly red  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:27:58pm

re: #205 Jimmah

Now that you put it like that I can see how educating people about the science that could greatly affect humanity's future is just like rounding people up and putting them in camps./

ahhh, you can dress em up but you can't take em out... have fun saving humanity.

223 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:28:10pm

OLD lizard here, anyone remember Pong? When it was new?
It really was a big deal....
(Slinks back into the corner, to ponder....)

224 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:28:13pm

re: #218 WindUpBird

I unlocked Rainbow Road in MarioKart. :3

225 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:28:35pm

re: #213 Locker

Qix was the bomb but to be honest my younger brother could kick my ass in it. Loved seeing the blocks of color fill in.

As the younger video game-playing sibling, I loved Qix precisely because it was the only game that I could kick my Brother's ass in! Every kid need positive reinforcement now and then....

226 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:28:50pm

More:

Reagan, who spent 16 years in government, actually said this:

“In the present crisis,” referring specifically to the high taxes and high levels of federal spending that had marked the Carter administration, “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” He then went on to say: “Now, so there will be no misunderstanding, it’s not my intention to do away with government. It is rather to make it work.” Government, he said, “must provide opportunity.” He was not rejecting government, he was calling — as Barack Obama did Tuesday — for better management of government, for wiser decisions.

227 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:30:30pm

re: #191 iceweasel

GAH! I was in that business then. Followed a lovely lady up the escalator, could NOT identify her perfume, asked her what it was...
It was Poison.
Fun fact, did you know that perfumes are tested on redheads?
And fragrance smells VERY differently on redheads?
Their skin produces less acids & reacts differently!

228 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:30:33pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

OLD lizard here, anyone remember Pong? When it was new?
It really was a big deal...
(Slinks back into the corner, to ponder...)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

/Oh yeah!

229 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:30:49pm

re: #226 Sharmuta

Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan agreeing on something?

/runs to popcorn machine for a refill before heads start exploding

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:31:26pm

re: #229 laZardo

Barack Obama and Ronald Reagan agreeing on something?

/runs to popcorn machine for a refill before heads start exploding

We're going to need another layer of tin foil.

231 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:32:17pm

re: #216 Slumbering Behemoth

Look, for the last time, we agreed upon the safe-word and my fee ahead of time. I don't understand why you keep complaining.
/

Was it "green balloons"?

232 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:32:36pm

re: #219 iceweasel

It is my suspicion that you may just be lucky enough to not be surrounded by them. I still know many; and all of them are as vehement now as ever.

233 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:32:38pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

OLD lizard here, anyone remember Pong? When it was new?
It really was a big deal...
(Slinks back into the corner, to ponder...)

Remember reading about Pong and all the excitement it caused when the first arcades stocked. Only saw the console 1 time in a classic Chinatown arcade during my very first visit to Dragon's Lair. Now there was a game that made my jaw drop!

234 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:32:44pm

re: #214 Surabaya Stew

Plus the pixelation made it horribly anatomically incorrect.

/what can I say, it's the hormones.

235 Blue Fin  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:32:53pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

I agree. Unfortunately, I believe we are aboout three generations away from a new reality or enlightenment. Oh well.

236 BryanS  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:33:09pm

re: #200 cwnorma

I think part of the problem is that there are too many "one issue voters" for any kind of reasonable middle ground party to work.

/sadly

Probably true. However moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats are often called those things because the Republican is socially liberal and the Democrat is fiscally conservative. They way the extremes on the left and right have been able to hijack their parties, I see the possibility of pissing off moderates of all stripes. I think that is why both major parties are held in such low esteem these days.

237 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:33:11pm

re: #231 iceweasel

No, it was purple baloons!
///

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:34:05pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

The 80s were really, really weird.

The only area I ever want to revisit them is in teen movies and perfumes.

I'm back and I don't remember much of the 80's.

239 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:34:20pm

re: #233 Surabaya Stew

Heh!
We had a Computer Science Geek who lived upstairs, he had a table in his dorm! OMG. He had a LOT of friends. 24/7!

240 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:34:56pm

re: #231 iceweasel

No, I will not be revealing any information. Not without a hefty fee, of course.

241 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:35:44pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

I am so glad I was too young to really get the full brunt of 80s fashion.

Gah. My pictures from highschool are brutal. Me trying to be all hip to the fashion of the day. Shoulder pads. Ugh. Big shirts with a belt over stirrup pants or some sort of tight thingys were the in thing. For extra coolness throw on a blazer. Scrunchies holding offset ponytails.

Absolutely painful.

242 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:35:53pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

IMHO, Obsession was a VERY stinky perfume. And, that was my business at the time. Skunky!

243 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:36:14pm

re: #235 Blue Fin

I agree. Unfortunately, I believe we are aboout three generations away from a new reality or enlightenment. Oh well.

I think we about three generations away from some serious punctuated equilibrium. We're going to see massive evolution going on in the oceans, and eventually elsewhere and it would be interesting to see what the impact of warming will do to species. Who knows how well our species will do?

244 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:36:57pm

Speaking of the 70's, there now follows a public safety film : Dark And Lonely Water

Youtube Video
245 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:37:02pm

re: #241 Jadespring

Gah. My pictures from highschool are brutal. Me trying to be all hip to the fashion of the day. Shoulder pads. Ugh. Big shirts with a belt over stirrup pants or some sort of tight thingys were the in thing. For extra coolness throw on a blazer. Scrunchies holding offset ponytails.

Absolutely painful.

I can see that right now. I had an asymmetrical 'do at one point.

246 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:37:12pm

re: #227 Floral Giraffe

GAH! I was in that business then. Followed a lovely lady up the escalator, could NOT identify her perfume, asked her what it was...
It was Poison.
Fun fact, did you know that perfumes are tested on redheads?
And fragrance smells VERY differently on redheads?
Their skin produces less acids & reacts differently!

Wow, I did not know that! Weird!

Bonus iceweasel fact: My father accused me of smoking pot and insisted he smelled it in my bedroom....it was the bottle of Poison a boyfriend had given me.
Pretty sure he had never smelled pot in his life, btw.

For a few months after that I would leave all these questionaires around the house, "Is your child taking drugs?" with the parts I thought applied to me conspicuously circled in magic marker. (Is your child sleeping a lot? Are they out a lot with friends? Do they seem to have mood changes?)
iceweasels take up mockery and snark very young, it seems.

247 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:37:43pm

re: #234 laZardo

Plus the pixelation made it horribly anatomically incorrect.

/what can I say, it's the hormones.

Wasn't so much that anatomy was incorrect as it was just plain gross to look at. Thanks for the graphic reminder, now my nightly REM runs the risk of featuring pixelated boobs and pricks! Uggh, sweet dreams indeed....

248 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:37:46pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

We're going to see massive evolution going on in the oceans...

I hope they evolve into a credible opposition party...

/silly

249 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:38:40pm

re: #245 EmmmieG

I can see that right now. I had an asymmetrical 'do at one point.

Oh an neon! Can't forget the neon. :) I still have a neon pink pair of jelly shoes in a box somewhere.

250 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:38:47pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

Those were the heavy hitters for the decade. Samsara came out in 89, but it was really an afterthought. Giorgio. That was probably the first of the Killer 80s Florientals.

I reread Erica Jong's Parachutes and Kisses a while back, and oh, wow, it is so terribly 80s. The character wears suede boots, and fuschia, and off-the-shoulder sweaters, and every time she has a sexual encounter, which, being as it's Erica Jong, is often, she spritzes herself with Obsession.

I am so glad I was too young to really get the full brunt of 80s fashion.

CALVIN KLEIN JEANS!

251 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:39:31pm

re: #248 cwnorma

I hope they evolve into a credible opposition party...

/silly

Sharks evolved into Congressmen.

252 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:40:13pm

I do sometimes look around and wonder "What will be the parachute pants of today?" I'm thinking skinny jeans. They'll look back and wonder what that was all about.

253 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:40:33pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

Those were the heavy hitters for the decade. Samsara came out in 89, but it was really an afterthought. Giorgio. That was probably the first of the Killer 80s Florientals.

I reread Erica Jong's Parachutes and Kisses a while back, and oh, wow, it is so terribly 80s. The character wears suede boots, and fuschia, and off-the-shoulder sweaters, and every time she has a sexual encounter, which, being as it's Erica Jong, is often, she spritzes herself with Obsession.

I am so glad I was too young to really get the full brunt of 80s fashion.

One of my favorites was Opium by YSL;

"coriander, clove, bayleaf, and is accented with vetiver, amber..."

Now, most perfumes make me sneeze.

254 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #241 Jadespring

Gah. My pictures from highschool are brutal. Me trying to be all hip to the fashion of the day. Shoulder pads. Ugh. Big shirts with a belt over stirrup pants or some sort of tight thingys were the in thing. For extra coolness throw on a blazer. Scrunchies holding offset ponytails.

Absolutely painful.

What are you talking about? Sounds absolutely charming compared with the flattops, clock medallions, and triple X goose coats of the early 90's!

255 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:40:59pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

I think we about three generations away from some serious punctuated equilibrium. We're going to see massive evolution going on in the oceans, and eventually elsewhere and it would be interesting to see what the impact of warming will do to species. Who knows how well our species will do?

re: #251 Sharmuta

Sharks evolved into Congressmen.

Japan is so fucked.

256 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:41:12pm

re: #244 Jimmah

Speaking of the 70's, there now follows a public safety film : Dark And Lonely Water


[Video]

You'd never see anything like that in the US. They do it differently across the pond, I see. That said, its very good.

257 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:41:19pm

Hey cool! I now have >50 posts! Despite having been a lizard for over two years I have earned full rights again.

/please don't dock me Charles...

258 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:41:34pm

re: #246 iceweasel

We had a BIG bottle of Poison get dropped on the selling floor, of a fancy store that had just been remodeled.

They had to jackhammer out the marble tiles, to get rid of the smell of the Poison.

Cost over $2500 and was a BIG deal.

(Why they paved the floor of a cosmetics department with absorbent stone, is another story!)

259 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:41:55pm

re: #257 cwnorma

Hey cool! I now have >50 posts! Despite having been a lizard for over two years I have earned full rights again.

/please don't dock me Charles...

Congratulations. Enjoy your dinger.

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:42:30pm

re: #230 Sharmuta

We're going to need another layer of tin foil.

My Cat Overlord laughs at your tin foilz.

261 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:43:32pm

re: #260 ggt

Is that really your cat?
It looks like it could be a nice one, if you kept it happy.....

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:43:48pm

re: #246 iceweasel

Wow, I did not know that! Weird!

Bonus iceweasel fact: My father accused me of smoking pot and insisted he smelled it in my bedroom...it was the bottle of Poison a boyfriend had given me.
Pretty sure he had never smelled pot in his life, btw.

For a few months after that I would leave all these questionaires around the house, "Is your child taking drugs?" with the parts I thought applied to me conspicuously circled in magic marker. (Is your child sleeping a lot? Are they out a lot with friends? Do they seem to have mood changes?)
iceweasels take up mockery and snark very young, it seems.

My father was a cop in the 70s, so there was little chance of his mistaking the smell of pot for anything else.

263 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:44:02pm

re: #246 iceweasel

Wow, I did not know that! Weird!

Bonus iceweasel fact: My father accused me of smoking pot and insisted he smelled it in my bedroom...it was the bottle of Poison a boyfriend had given me.
Pretty sure he had never smelled pot in his life, btw.

For a few months after that I would leave all these questionaires around the house, "Is your child taking drugs?" with the parts I thought applied to me conspicuously circled in magic marker. (Is your child sleeping a lot? Are they out a lot with friends? Do they seem to have mood changes?)
iceweasels take up mockery and snark very young, it seems.

Heh! When I was at university, in my second year I had to rent a room in a 'townie's' house. I made the mistake of burning a joss stick one day to get rid of tobacco smells, to the immediate outrage of the landlady, who was convinced that it was drugs. Even after I had explained, she made me promise never to burn any again. "What would the neighbours think if they ever smelled that?"

264 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:44:17pm

re: #261 Floral Giraffe

Is that really your cat?
It looks like it could be a nice one, if you kept it happy...

If not, your face is removed....

265 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:44:39pm

re: #254 Surabaya Stew

What are you talking about? Sounds absolutely charming compared with the flattops, clock medallions, and triple X goose coats of the early 90's!

I don't even know what any of those are. :) I left the big fashion world then. In the 90's you'd more then likely find me in pair of snowpants and snowboard boots in the winter and birks, shorts and t-shirt in the summer.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:44:48pm

re: #249 Jadespring

Oh an neon! Can't forget the neon. :) I still have a neon pink pair of jelly shoes in a box somewhere.

Neon, hot pink, leg warmers, acid wash denim...

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:45:21pm

re: #254 Surabaya Stew

What are you talking about? Sounds absolutely charming compared with the flattops, clock medallions, and triple X goose coats of the early 90's!

MEMBER'S ONLY jackets.

268 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:45:47pm

re: #263 Jimmah

Heh! When I was at university, in my second year I had to rent a room in a 'townie's' house. I made the mistake of burning a joss stick one day to get rid of tobacco smells, to the immediate outrage of the landlady, who was convinced that it was drugs. Even after I had explained, she made me promise never to burn any again. "What would the neighbours think if they ever smelled that?"

What does "townie" mean, again?

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:07pm

re: #250 ggt

CALVIN KLEIN JEANS!

"Nothing gets between me and my Calvins."

And they say kids are oversexualized now.

270 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:13pm

re: #265 Jadespring

I don't even know what any of those are. :) I left the big fashion world then. In the 90's you'd more then likely find me in pair of snowpants and snowboard boots in the winter and birks, shorts and t-shirt in the summer.

Good thing you left while you did.

271 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:24pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

What does "townie" mean, again?

Local, non-university associated.

272 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:30pm

re: #252 EmmmieG

I do sometimes look around and wonder "What will be the parachute pants of today?" I'm thinking skinny jeans. They'll look back and wonder what that was all about.

I will not wear those. Bootcut or bust.

273 Blue Fin  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:40pm

re: #243 Sharmuta

If the waters warm again maybe these little critters will re-evolve:

[Link: scienceray.com...]

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:46:57pm

re: #253 austin_blue

One of my favorites was Opium by YSL;

"coriander, clove, bayleaf, and is accented with vetiver, amber..."

Now, most perfumes make me sneeze.

Opium! That was the other one I couldn't remember.

275 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:47:03pm

re: #261 Floral Giraffe

Is that really your cat?
It looks like it could be a nice one, if you kept it happy...

My Cat Overlord will not appear in pictures. He says it's the signof the TRUE OVERLORD. I take his picture, but he doesn't appear in the final shot. Don't ask me how he does it, I just have to BELIEVE.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:47:46pm

re: #259 Sharmuta

Congratulations. Enjoy your dinger.

Even if it does kill off all the dinosaurs.

277 laZardo  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:48:15pm

Brb, lunch.

278 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:48:27pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

"Nothing gets between me and my Calvins."

And they say kids are oversexualized now.

Heh. Brooke Shields. SNL skit afterwards: "If my jeans could talk, I could act,"

279 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:48:56pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Even if it does kill off all the dinosaurs.

That bit still cracks me up.

280 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:49:23pm

re: #275 ggt

Did you offer him tunafish?
LOL!
It DOES work!

281 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:50:54pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Opium! That was the other one I couldn't remember.

A little bit went a long way. Nice scent, though. My moms was into the classics. Always had bottles of Joy and Chanel No. 5.

282 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:51:52pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

/Damn, beat me to the innuendo...

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:52:17pm

re: #280 Floral Giraffe

Did you offer him tunafish?
LOL!
It DOES work!

My CAT OVERLORD will only eat tunafish in oil. None of that wimpy, healthy tunafish in water for him.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:52:27pm

re: #267 ggt

MEMBER'S ONLY jackets.

SWATCH!

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:52:46pm

re: #281 austin_blue

A little bit went a long way. Nice scent, though. My moms was into the classics. Always had bottles of Joy and Chanel No. 5.

Coco!

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:53:14pm

re: #278 austin_blue

Heh. Brooke Shields. SNL skit afterwards: "If my jeans could talk, I could act,"

She was fifteen. Calvin Klein's whole advertising department should have been shot or something.

287 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:53:23pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

SWATCH!

I want my MTV!

Youtube Video
288 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:53:26pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

SWATCH!

OP! (which stood for otro pendejo, not Ocean Pacific).

289 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:53:35pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

What does "townie" mean, again?

Thats what you call the ordinary people who live in the nearby town or city when you are a student at university in the UK.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:53:56pm

re: #281 austin_blue

A little bit went a long way. Nice scent, though. My moms was into the classics. Always had bottles of Joy and Chanel No. 5.

Chanel No. 19. I love it.

291 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:54:15pm

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

SWATCH!

I was working a booth at the county fair one night when a guy came up--classic 80's new wave (this was '87.) He had two swatches. Around his neck. He was wearing them as a choker.

We had a good time after he left spoofing him trying to find out what time it was. "Scuse me? Could you tell me the time? I can't...quite...see..."

292 Bagua  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:54:49pm

re: #263 Jimmah

Heh! When I was at university, in my second year I had to rent a room in a 'townie's' house. I made the mistake of burning a joss stick one day to get rid of tobacco smells, to the immediate outrage of the landlady, who was convinced that it was drugs. Even after I had explained, she made me promise never to burn any again. "What would the neighbours think if they ever smelled that?"

Back in the day I was living in southern France and my friend got himself locked up in Denmark over a Greenpeace incident. As he was from Hong Kong and loved his incense I mailed him a care package with several boxes.

I was surprised when he wrote back that they had confiscated the boxes of the "suspicious" box as it could be drugs, especially as Hashish was freely available inside his prison.

293 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:54:54pm

I was in college when MTV came on the air and NOT everyone had cable and could watch hit. My parents had one neighbor that had a computer and it ran on some wierd code that only he knew.

294 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:55:34pm

On the nostalgia theme, amazon has retro candy gift baskets-- for people who grew up in the 70's, 80's, or whenever.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Might be a cute gift idea for someone if you're stuck.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:55:57pm

re: #291 EmmmieG

I was working a booth at the county fair one night when a guy came up--classic 80's new wave (this was '87.) He had two swatches. Around his neck. He was wearing them as a choker.

We had a good time after he left spoofing him trying to find out what time it was. "Scuse me? Could you tell me the time? I can't...quite...see..."

All the way up the arm, they'd wear them.

Oh, and power dressing for women. The dainty little high-necked blouses, and the shoulder pads like you were an accountant/linebacker.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:56:39pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

All the way up the arm, they'd wear them.

Oh, and power dressing for women. The dainty little high-necked blouses, and the shoulder pads like you were an accountant/linebacker.

And those little silk ties you made into a bow --I had one in every color.

297 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:56:49pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

She was fifteen. Calvin Klein's whole advertising department should have been shot or something.

She had done Pretty Baby and the Blue Lagoon. They sold a lot of jeans, and made her richer.

Creepy, though, agreed.

298 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:57:27pm

re: #282 cwnorma

/Damn, beat me to the innuendo...

Heh, I'm always beating something...
/

299 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:57:28pm

Okay. I just thumbed through a photo-album.

I forgot another 'trend'.

Biker shorts under mini-skirts.

300 Racer X  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:58:17pm

Tube tops.
Dittos.

*sigh*

301 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:58:24pm

re: #299 Jadespring

Okay. I just thumbed through a photo-album.

I forgot another 'trend'.

Biker shorts under mini-skirts.

Leg warmers.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 9:58:44pm

The beginning of the end of everything.

ahhhhhh

303 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:00:31pm

Hi all!

I loved loved loved the 80's. I still like the music, and remember the bands I saw live before they were big. I saw the B-52's in 1979 (ok, not the 80's) We drove an hour to the venue on a school night, dressed up as wild as we could imagine (dyed hair purple, thrift store clothes) and were freaking out the whole way. Arrived and we were about the tamest people there. Another time I was front row at a tiny bar for the Ramones. I was basically crushed against the stage in front of Dee Dee. Ahhhhhhhh the memories.

304 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:01:06pm

re: #302 ggt

The beginning of the end of everything.

ahhh

/so I have that on my ipod...

305 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:01:48pm

re: #300 Racer X

Half shirts. Worn by dudes.

:shudder:

306 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:03:35pm

re: #294 iceweasel

On the nostalgia theme, amazon has retro candy gift baskets-- for people who grew up in the 70's, 80's, or whenever.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Might be a cute gift idea for someone if you're stuck.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are jumping the pond on Tuesday for a wedding in Leighton Buzzard, Beds. A week free afterwards, we may may be training down to London, with my new brother-in-law, who is an original Silly Wizard (for Jimmah's reference). I'll post from there. The Tate Modern is lovely, isn't it?

307 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:04:29pm

I bet Charles has some good '70's and '80's stories to tell....

308 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:04:39pm

re: #303 Stanley Sea

Hi all!

I loved loved loved the 80's. I still like the music, and remember the bands I saw live before they were big. I saw the B-52's in 1979 (ok, not the 80's) We drove an hour to the venue on a school night, dressed up as wild as we could imagine (dyed hair purple, thrift store clothes) and were freaking out the whole way. Arrived and we were about the tamest people there. Another time I was front row at a tiny bar for the Ramones. I was basically crushed against the stage in front of Dee Dee. Ahhh the memories.

Cool!!!

Youtube Video

Thrift store clothes! I remember....yikes. Wow I wore some hideous stuff.
I bleached my hair platinum blonde right before being sent to catholic school, but that's another story.

309 Racer X  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:05:17pm

re: #305 Slumbering Behemoth

Half shirts. Worn by dudes.

:shudder:

You're ruining it.

310 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:05:36pm

re: #303 Stanley Sea

Hi all!

I loved loved loved the 80's. I still like the music, and remember the bands I saw live before they were big. I saw the B-52's in 1979 (ok, not the 80's) We drove an hour to the venue on a school night, dressed up as wild as we could imagine (dyed hair purple, thrift store clothes) and were freaking out the whole way. Arrived and we were about the tamest people there. Another time I was front row at a tiny bar for the Ramones. I was basically crushed against the stage in front of Dee Dee. Ahhh the memories.

Visited a friend in Athens and saw the B's, REM, and Guadalcanal Diary on three consecutive nights at the 40-watt. Awesome.

311 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:06:45pm

re: #308 iceweasel

Cool!!!

[Video]Thrift store clothes! I remember...yikes. Wow I wore some hideous stuff.
I bleached my hair platinum blonde right before being sent to catholic school, but that's another story.

Oh Ice....way before the Love Shack. More like Dance this Mess Around.....!!!!

312 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:07:21pm

I remember talking to a friend in Junior High (shudder) about two new bands I was listening to: U2 and INXS.

313 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:07:50pm

re: #310 austin_blue

Visited a friend in Athens and saw the B's, REM, and Guadalcanal Diary on three consecutive nights at the 40-watt. Awesome.

Uh....you suck!

314 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:07:54pm

Great trip down memory lane. Thanks all. I can't stop smiling.

It's 1am though and I should really get to sleep.

315 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:09:13pm

re: #313 Stanley Sea

Uh...you suck!

{{bows}}

316 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:09:39pm

re: #312 EmmmieG

I remember talking to a friend in Junior High (shudder) about two new bands I was listening to: U2 and INXS.

And No Jacket Required on cassette tape.

317 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:10:13pm

re: #315 austin_blue

{{bows}}

God I hate comparing venues like "wins" BUT I did see REM for free at UF's Halloween Ball.

318 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:10:27pm

re: #316 Sharmuta

And No Jacket Required on cassette tape.

No, that's my husband. I was more into New Wave. My husband, I am pretty sure, still has it somewhere.

319 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:12:24pm

No Jacket Required- is that Phil Collins or am I losing my mind (memory)

320 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:12:26pm

re: #312 EmmmieG

Michael Hutchens girlfriend lived next door, I don't know if it's the one he had the child with or not. THOSE were some partay animals. I was a working stiff. He was better looking in person......

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:13:02pm

Being the kind of kid I was, the '80s were pretty all about this kind of stuff for me.

322 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:13:14pm

re: #320 Floral Giraffe

Michael Hutchens girlfriend lived next door, I don't know if it's the one he had the child with or not. THOSE were some partay animals. I was a working stiff. He was better looking in person...

The one he had the child with was previous married to Bob Geldof, which I bet you would have remembered.

323 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:13:20pm

re: #320 Floral Giraffe

Michael Hutchens girlfriend lived next door, I don't know if it's the one he had the child with or not. THOSE were some partay animals. I was a working stiff. He was better looking in person...

Oh shit, Michael Hutchens next door? Paula somebody?

324 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:13:41pm

re: #317 Stanley Sea

God I hate comparing venues like "wins" BUT I did see REM for free at UF's Halloween Ball.

Great live band. Stipe is unintelligible, but who cares? That music, especially in a small venue, just drives you to dance as if you'll die tomorrow. Great shit. I loved Athens in the mid-80's. Went there whenever I could.

325 cwnorma  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:15:05pm

Nite lizards

326 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:15:35pm

re: #312 EmmmieG

I remember talking to a friend in Junior High (shudder) about two new bands I was listening to: U2 and INXS.

I saw U2's Joshua Tree tour. It was great. I almost got crushed though. I was up against the railing at the bottom of the bleachers when people starting pushing. Lots were jumping or trying to jump down onto the floor. This guy kept trying to put his foot on my shoulder and leverage up over me and I was going down, down, down. I knew if I got pushed down I'd like be really hurt or maybe die so I elbowed him as hard as I could in the face. It worked, he stopped, though I came home with blood all over my shirt and my Mom freaked right out and said I was never allowed to go to a concert again.

327 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:16:00pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Great live band. Stipe is unintelligible, but who cares? That music, especially in a small venue, just drives you to dance as if you'll die tomorrow. Great shit. I loved Athens in the mid-80's. Went there whenever I could.

I wish I was there then. Yep when we saw them (Murmur & Fables) you couldn't understand a word & he had long hair that hung in his face.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:16:03pm

weet dream and a pleasant tomorrow Lizards!

329 Aye Pod  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:17:28pm

One more public information film from the 70's this time a classic featuring Charley the Cat: Falling in Water:

Youtube Video

Night folks :)

330 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:18:30pm

Okay. Now I really have to go.

Night all.

331 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:19:42pm

re: #326 Jadespring

I saw U2's Joshua Tree tour. It was great. I almost got crushed though. I was up against the railing at the bottom of the bleachers when people starting pushing. Lots were jumping or trying to jump down onto the floor. This guy kept trying to put his foot on my shoulder and leverage up over me and I was going down, down, down. I knew if I got pushed down I'd like be really hurt or maybe die so I elbowed him as hard as I could in the face. It worked, he stopped, though I came home with blood all over my shirt and my Mom freaked right out and said I was never allowed to go to a concert again.

Whew! That was a tough spot. Glad you took care of yourself. Is U2 as awesome live as they seem to be?

332 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:19:55pm

Attn: geeks and those who love them
If you are a gaming geek or have one in your life here's a bargain x-mas present: The Orange Box

Here's the Zero Punctuation review (nswf language)
The real reason to buy this is for Portal and TF2. Portal is one of the best games I've played in 10 years and I've played TF2 almost every day for the past 2 years or so and they keep updating and improving. They just added a new update and it's as fresh as ever. I've never gotten so much out of a pc game ever. If you love your geek then buy it for x-mas. If you need some help with TF2 I play as Puddinhead on the Woof clan servers and I'll be more than happy to give you a hand.

333 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:20:00pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

She was a bitch about where the trash cans were placed, is all I remember. Lovely 1923 building, NOT well suited to the 1970's or today.....

334 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:20:08pm

Dang, hard work tomorrow. See you when I can escape for a moment.

335 The Left  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:20:10pm

re: #306 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are jumping the pond on Tuesday for a wedding in Leighton Buzzard, Beds. A week free afterwards, we may may be training down to London, with my new brother-in-law, who is an original Silly Wizard (for Jimmah's reference). I'll post from there. The Tate Modern is lovely, isn't it?

Yes, it is! Very excited for you!
That's the week Jimmah-ski and I will be getting married, over on the US side of the pond.

Youtube Video

(doesn't fit the 80's theme, but it is scottish)

nite, folks.

336 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:20:18pm

And I'm joining the somnambulistic diaspora. Time for the rack. Adios, my friends.

337 Surabaya Stew  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:21:06pm

Nighty night Ya'll!

338 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:21:32pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I've been VERY good this year.....
;)

339 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:24:00pm

re: #335 iceweasel

Fabroujous day calloh callay!
Which isn't spelled right, but the sentiment is!

You are both VERY LUCKY.
Remember that part, when it gets hard.
AND APPRECIATE IT.

Happy day, to you both.
And joy in companionship, well, forever.
It's work.
And, worth it.

340 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:27:48pm

re: #338 Floral Giraffe

TF2 has really blown me away. I haven't gotten so much use out of a game at any price ever.
I've also been experimenting in the kitchen. I have a new and completely original recipe for sweet potato pasta with sage butter mussels. It's quite fantastic. I'll do a write up soon.

341 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:27:53pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

I love the Zero Punctuation reviews, that dude always cracks me up.

"This is the most fun you'll have with your PC until they invent a force-feedback codpiece".

LOL!

342 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:29:45pm

re: #341 Slumbering Behemoth

It's also worth noting his comments of Portal and TF2. He really has very few complaints. I never even finished Half Life. It bored me but the rest of the product is fantastic.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:29:54pm

Nite all.

344 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:30:45pm

re: #340 Killgore Trout

That sounds tasty!
I'm just teasing you on the gaming stuff, I don't game & don't even know what the names mean.

I waste my time on LGF.
;)

345 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:31:31pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

Sleep a deep and dreamless sleep!
Restfull, even.
{{SFZ}}

346 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:33:35pm

re: #342 Killgore Trout

The Half Life games are just about the only FPS games I've been able to finish, aside from the Wolfenstein games of course.

If you're familiar enough with the Half Life universe, you may find this web-comic amusing. I found a lot of it laugh out loud funny.

347 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:45:02pm

Tap, Tap, Tap....
Is this thing on?

Hey, where'd everyone go?
It was only a little garlic for dinner!
I swear!

......

348 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:51:45pm

Yeah. I think we landed between shifts or something. Of course I really shouldn't be up now. Work is not that far off.

349 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:52:41pm

Sorry- I'm reading.

350 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:56:09pm

re: #349 Sharmuta

Whatcha reading? (I wish there was a way to stretch out the whatcha to accentuate the curiosity factor)

351 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:57:06pm

re: #350 Irenicum

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

352 ignoranceisfatal  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:57:11pm

I know the question wasn't directed my way, but I just finished "The Greatest Show on Earth"

353 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:57:45pm

re: #352 ignoranceisfatal

So that's what they call it nowadays?
/

354 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:57:51pm

re: #352 ignoranceisfatal

That's up next on my list after Potter. I'm very excited about it.

355 ignoranceisfatal  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:58:05pm

re: #351 Sharmuta

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.

Isn't it cool how at the end........

Kidding. Man, I hate spoilers.

356 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:58:50pm

re: #352 ignoranceisfatal

I know the question wasn't directed my way, but I just finished "The Greatest Show on Earth"

That's on my "read" list, too.

357 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:59:37pm

re: #355 ignoranceisfatal

I've read all the Potter books. This will be the half dozenth time or so I've read year 5. I just enjoy a break from time to time on the heavy stuff, and I enjoy these books as a break. They continue to impress me every time I read them.

358 ignoranceisfatal  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:59:38pm

re: #354 Sharmuta

That's up next on my list after Potter. I'm very excited about it.

I enjoyed it. My dad's reading God Delusion, and isn't exactly loving it, mostly because he finds Dawkins arrogant. Seems like Dawkins is better when he sticks to science.

359 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:59:40pm

re: #355 ignoranceisfatal

My brother used to do that to me when we saw movies together. That shit pissed me off! He'd say lines just before the characters would. Aargh!

360 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:00:48pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

But they're of the Bedil! How could you!

361 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:01:20pm

I would like to send a special shout out to Laura Bush for turning me on to the Harry Potter books. Thank you, Mrs. Bush!

362 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:02:25pm

re: #358 ignoranceisfatal

Agreed. Dawkins on science, great. Dawkins on other stuff, well, not so good.

363 ignoranceisfatal  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:03:24pm

I thought the whole "Harry Potter is an evil plot to infect childrens' minds with witchcraft" was just a meme... until I found out that one of my in-laws (a schoolteacher no less!) didn't want my nephew to read the books for pretty much that reason.

364 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:04:54pm

LOL!
It's VINTAGE Sammy Davis!
Mr. Bojangles!

Youtube Video

( You did forget men wore jumpsuits too!)

365 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:05:19pm

re: #363 ignoranceisfatal

That's a pity. They're some of the best books of the decade.

366 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:06:32pm

re: #363 ignoranceisfatal

Would Laura Bush be able to convince them? She loves the books too.

367 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:07:44pm

re: #364 Floral Giraffe

Why did you make me click? Damn you! Though I must say Sammy had a fabulous voice!

368 ignoranceisfatal  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:07:45pm

re: #365 Sharmuta

Agreed. Great for kids to expand their vocabulary. And yes, I would guess a personal plea from Laura Bush might change some minds... Laura, if you're reading this, shoot me an email!

369 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:09:18pm

Gotta get to bed. Another early day for me tomorrow.

370 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:09:29pm

re: #367 Irenicum

Singing is great, jumpsuit, well, dated....

371 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:11:22pm

re: #369 Dark_Falcon

MAKE YOUR NUMBERS!
Go! Godspeed! May every phone call be a BIG customer.
(Did I cover it all?)
Go! DF GO!

372 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:11:58pm

re: #368 ignoranceisfatal

Laura Bush on Harry Potter

KING: We're going to conclude tonight's special edition of LARRY KING LIVE with two segments devoted to the wonderful, beautiful way they've done the White House for Christmas this year, and the first lady continues with us. We're in the East Room.

BUSH: That's right, the East Room. And as you know, the theme is the season of stories. And so we have "Harry Potter" here.

"Harry Potter" has really made kids read. Little boys are really reading "Harry Potter" all around the country. And I think that's terrific.

KING: The world.

BUSH: Around the world, absolutely. I read them all this summer.

KING: You did?

BUSH: And I loved them.

373 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:12:10pm

re: #370 Floral Giraffe

I loved the Rat Pack. Sammy and the other guys were so cool. What a time.

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:16:29pm

re: #363 ignoranceisfatal

There used to be some here that believed that kind of nonsense. "That stuff left people open to demonic possession, blah blah blah, satanic indoctrination blah blah blah".

Thankfully they've said goodbye to LGF and likely moved on to some place more conducive to their boogieman religion.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:18:25pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

She's clearly just another RINO tool for satanic indoctrination.
/

376 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:19:02pm

re: #375 Slumbering Behemoth

We must stop Laura Bush!

377 Girth  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:20:42pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

We must stop Laura Bush!

Damn librarians and their books.

378 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:21:05pm

Here's Francis Albert Sinatra singing Strangers in the Night.

Youtube Video

And with that, I bid y'all adieu. G'nite!

379 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:27:00pm

re: #376 Sharmuta

I'll get Jindal on the line, STAT!

380 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 17, 2009 11:33:19pm

On a note somewhat related to this thread's topic, Here's a cautionary tale from Science News describing how scientists have been begun to doubt a lot of research results gleaned from MRI studies of the brain, and how the difficulty of distinguishing between signal and noise can lead to results that are self fulfilling.

(I don't think you need a subscription to read; if you do, look for this week's issue at large bookstores.)

381 louis  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:27:23am

Sinclair is a great revisionist. I'm old enough to have been in college in the 70s. Every science class I had talked about our entering a new ice age, since the the Earth had cooled between 1940 and 1975. Now Sinclair, who I understand is a film maker, not a scientist, comes along and says we all imagined it, there was no scientific consensus. He's clearly wrong on this.

382 KernelPanic  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:49:25am

re: #381 louis

. He's clearly wrong on this.

Blah blah blah. It's easy to find actual facts here for those that care.

As any casual review of peer reviewed scientific journals that published climate related papers in the '70s show, it is clearly you who is wrong.

An overwhelming majority of scientific papers discussing climate in the 70s were speaking of warming and not cooling. It's not hard to check this.

383 Walk Not So Softly  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:50:08am

This site: [Link: ruby.fgcu.edu...]
offers published information on all aspects of climate change, including the stuff prior to 1988 dealing in global cooling. It's a tad bit more comprehensive then the YouTube Video.

To say there wasn't any scientific consensus on global cooling back then is true, however, there is not scientific consensus today that there is AGW either. Furthermore, I don't recall scientific consensus being the stopping point for scientific discovery. There are many example of "settled science" that have been reversed over time and further research. The difference between those and the AGW debate is huge. Those were not trying to fundamentally change the Worlds economic systems, infringe on national sovereignty or redistribute wealth which is exactly the purpose of The Summit in Copenhagen. Call me all the names you want but in the end, when hundreds of Billions if not Trillions of US tax dollars is requested by other Nations to "fix this", I want to make damn sure it's for real. So forgive me if I don't find Sinclairs videos to be the end all be all in proof of AGW.

384 philosophus invidius  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 6:54:35am

All this ice age talk reminded me of "In Search of ..."

Youtube Video
385 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 7:04:56am

re: #383 Walk Not So Softly

To say there wasn't any scientific consensus on global cooling back then is true, however, there is not scientific consensus today that there is AGW either. Furthermore, I don't recall scientific consensus being the stopping point for scientific discovery. There are many example of "settled science" that have been reversed over time and further research. The difference between those and the AGW debate is huge.

This is nonsense. Utter nonsense. A review - even a cursory one of the actual journal literature will find thousands of papers in support of AGW from hundreds of different lines of inquiry telling a consistent story by tens of thousands of scientists world wide.

Further the basic mechanisms of AGW are simple to understand. Anyone can grasp them.

CO2 really a GHG. It must absorb IR and re radiate it. That is a property of the substance. This is well established since the 1890's and thoroughly explained by the quantum mechanics of the 20's and 30's.

The sun puts out a huge amount of IR. This is due to its mass and composition.

These facts can not be escaped or explained away. In order for climate deniers to legitimately win, they would have to be able to do away with this very well established physics. The fact is that CO2 must warm an atmosphere if there is a sun like ours. The fact is that we have increased CO2 concentrations in our atmosphere by over 50% sine the start of the last century.

Believing that all of that CO2 will have no effect is simply stupid. Energy is conserved. If you doubt that the sun can warm you go outside on a sunny day. If you doubt that trapping more of the sun's energy will make you even more warm, you are simply stupid.

Further there are feedbacks. Hotter means less ice (and we see this right now). That means less light is reflected into space. Which means it is absorbed and things get warmer. This melts even more ice.

Again, a simple mechanism to understand. Denying this is stupid.

Those were not trying to fundamentally change the Worlds economic systems, infringe on national sovereignty or redistribute wealth which is exactly the purpose of The Summit in Copenhagen. Call me all the names you want but in the end, when hundreds of Billions if not Trillions of US tax dollars is requested by other Nations to "fix this", I want to make damn sure it's for real. So forgive me if I don't find Sinclairs videos to be the end all be all in proof of AGW.

And here we have the real crux of your objection. It is not a scientific one. Rather, you are afraid of what the response by politicians to the science might be. Two things need to be pointed out. First, physics always trumps economics and politics. The laws of nature do not give a damn what we think about them and they can not be bought off. Second, if you want good policy, you should learn the science first and then perhaps propose something better. Denying the science will avail you nothing. It really doesn't care that you don't know it. It really doesn't care that you refuse to learn it. However, your ignorance if it prevails means that it will eventually kill you. Don't be stupid.

386 Gus  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 7:06:04am

re: #383 Walk Not So Softly

This site: [Link: ruby.fgcu.edu...]
offers published information on all aspects of climate change, including the stuff prior to 1988 dealing in global cooling. It's a tad bit more comprehensive then the YouTube Video.

To say there wasn't any scientific consensus on global cooling back then is true, however, there is not scientific consensus today that there is AGW either. Furthermore, I don't recall scientific consensus being the stopping point for scientific discovery. There are many example of "settled science" that have been reversed over time and further research. The difference between those and the AGW debate is huge. Those were not trying to fundamentally change the Worlds economic systems, infringe on national sovereignty or redistribute wealth which is exactly the purpose of The Summit in Copenhagen. Call me all the names you want but in the end, when hundreds of Billions if not Trillions of US tax dollars is requested by other Nations to "fix this", I want to make damn sure it's for real. So forgive me if I don't find Sinclairs videos to be the end all be all in proof of AGW.

Yes, Edward T. Wimberly. Who is Edward T. Wimberly:

Veritas Libertas is dedicated to commenting upon those issues that serve to either limit or promote truth and liberty in our society. The blog asserts that truth in media, politics and government promotes liberty whereas deception and spin contribute to enslavement and tyranny. Consequently, this blog provides a commentary on local, regional, national and international issues where truth and liberty are at stake. Edward T. Wimberley is an educator and Presbyterian minister. He specializes in a number of areas involving public policy to include aging, health policy, environmental health, environmental policy and law, ecological philosophy and ethics, human ecology and more. His newest book is with Johns Hopkins University Press and is entitled Nested Ecology: The Place of Humans in the Ecological Hierarchy. He has also co-authored a text on health policy and published more than 50 articles in a variety of professional journals. Dr. Wimberley holds a B.A. in psychology from Stetson University, a M.Div. degree from Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, a M.S.W. from the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Social Work, and a Ph.D. in public affairs from the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh. Dr. Wimberley has taught at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, Texas, Georgia State University in Atlanta, Georgia, and is the Founding Dean of the Colleges of Education and Professional Studies at Florida Gulf Coast University. Dr. Wimberley is also a 1989-1990 Robert Wood Johnson Health Policy Fellow.

One of his blogs was titled, "Some Like it Hot! – Global Warming Research Collusion Unmasked!"

387 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 7:06:07am

re: #383 Walk Not So Softly

Read www.skepticalscience.com. It addresses all of the standard denier propaganda, including the one that there isn't currently consensus.

Or just look back over the past few weeks and read the links from Charles.

388 largolarry  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:25:40am

As one who opposed the new ice age consensus in the 1970's and promoted that a solar activity driven warming cycle would happen, I disagree with you primary assumptions. The sun is now in a less active cycle and the earth will be tending to be cooler for the next 30 years or so. Be careful lizards do not like the cold and may be frozen to death

389 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:35:43am
390 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #389 mvanvleck

Actually, if you can believe it, scientists have looked at the sun as a contributing factor... and ruled it out! You can read more about it here:

Changing Sun, Changing Climate?

391 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:40:01am

Comments complaining about what is posted or not posted at LGF will be deleted.

As always.

392 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:49:38am

re: #388 largolarry

As one who opposed the new ice age consensus in the 1970's and promoted that a solar activity driven warming cycle would happen, I disagree with you primary assumptions. The sun is now in a less active cycle and the earth will be tending to be cooler for the next 30 years or so. Be careful lizards do not like the cold and may be frozen to death

Uhhhuh.

So how is it that we are still warming then as an overall trend?

Moreover, what tiny percentage less energy are we talking about from the sun, and how do you reconcile that with the fact that we are indeed still warming?

393 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:52:29am
394 freetoken  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:53:15am

re: #393 mvanvleck

Read very carefully what Charles wrote.

This is a reading comprehension test.

395 mvanvleck  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:02:37am

My deleted comment commended C's criticism of those who disbelieve the theory of evolution and sought insight toward his criticism of those who subscribe to theories other than AGW. That is all. It wasn't meant to be a complaint....only an observation. I had hoped to be enlightened, and instead was deleted. Just trying to learn the ins and outs of blog ettiquette.
Mat

396 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:05:14am

re: #395 mvanvleck

I had hoped to be enlightened, and instead was deleted.

Ok- well, I already gave one link about the sun and climate in the hopes you would be enlightened, but perhaps you need more?

Total Solar Irradiance (TSI): Also known as total incoming solar radiation (insolation). The amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth can change as solar activity changes. This is a known factor influencing global temperatures and thus climate. Sometimes people will reference sunspots, which correlate fairly well with TSI (more sunspots generally means more incoming solar radiation), but solar irradiance is the specific factor impacting the Earth's climate.

Since 1978 we've had satellites measuring TSI directly, and prior to that scientists use "proxies". A proxy variable is something that is probably not in itself of any great interest, but from which a variable of interest can be obtained. For example, climate scientists use tree rings and ice core layers as proxies to determine past global temperatures. In the case of TSI, one such proxy is beryllium-10 concentrations.

So the question again arises - could changes in TSI be responsible for the recent global warming? Since we've had satellites measuring TSI directly since 1978, and this is the period of the greatest warming in recent history (0.5 degrees Celsius over the past 30 years), all we have to do is look at the satellite data to determine if solar irradiance has similarly increased over that period.

Again, the answer is no. On average, TSI has remained essentially unchanged since 1978. According to the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, it hasn't increased (on average) in about 70 years.

[Link: www.ecohuddle.com...]

397 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:09:11am

re: #395 mvanvleck

My deleted comment commended C's criticism of those who disbelieve the theory of evolution and sought insight toward his criticism of those who subscribe to theories other than AGW. That is all. It wasn't meant to be a complaint...only an observation. I had hoped to be enlightened, and instead was deleted. Just trying to learn the ins and outs of blog ettiquette.
Mat

Yes, you did complain, and you seem to have forgotten that you also included a few insults, as well. If you continue complaining instead of reading the links people are giving you, I'll just block your account. I don't have time for this kind of nonsense.

398 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:11:47am

re: #388 largolarry

No- it's not the sun. I suggest you read the links in my #390 & #396.

399 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:23:58am

re: #388 largolarry

As one who opposed the new ice age consensus in the 1970's and promoted that a solar activity driven warming cycle would happen, I disagree with you primary assumptions. The sun is now in a less active cycle and the earth will be tending to be cooler for the next 30 years or so. Be careful lizards do not like the cold and may be frozen to death

There was no "ice age consensus." You didn't even watch the video, did you?

400 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 10:38:06am

The anti-AGW people in this thread are demonstrating a very depressing trait common to that side of the debate -- even with a video that totally debunks the claim that a majority of scientists believed an ice age was coming in the 1970s, they just continue insisting that there really WAS a "consensus."

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that they simply don't want to let facts intrude on their deeply held, deeply wrong biases.

401 largolarry  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 1:38:47pm

I lived and worked in the field during the period and participated in those very discussions and my warming position was very much a minority. Why do i need to watch a video about the history i lived. If it is the one I believe it is, I have seen it previously.

Are we in a period of global warming. Yes, we are between ice ages.

Does increased CO2 effect the planet. Yes, and mostly in favorable ways including increased plant growth. The Roman Warm Period was one of the historical most important times.

Does human influences change the local temperature. Yes, mostly from UHI and land use effects.

Does the sun effect our temperature. Yes, turn off the sun and we are an ice cycle.

BTW, i am praying that I am not right and we are not entering a Minimum of Dalton, Maunder size because they are associated with large documented negative effects.

my personal belief is that the combined low PDO cycle, low AMO cycle and current solar minimum is having a significant cold influence on our weather.

i have not degraded any personal views but am stating my personal views as a former scientist working in a related field but at that time a member of same professional associations until I switched to become a computer scientist.

The good Jesuit classical college education i have gives you a broad base to analyze things from historical, philosophical, and analytic basis.

402 Charles Johnson  Fri, Dec 18, 2009 4:08:00pm

On the Internet, everyone is a climate scientist.


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