Hamas Refuses Flotilla Aid

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You know that cargo that was so vitally important to deliver to the Palestinian people of Gaza? So important that peace activists put together a flotilla of Turkish ships and tried to run a blockade to get it there as soon as possible, before anyone else suffered and died waiting for it?

Well, Israel has offloaded and inspected the cargo (at least some of which is apparently useless junk) and now is ready to deliver it (minus the gas masks and body armor).

But Hamas is refusing to accept it.

Jerusalem (CNN) — Israel has attempted to deliver humanitarian aid from an international flotilla to Gaza, but Hamas — which controls the territory — has refused to accept the cargo, the Israel Defense Forces said Wednesday.

Palestinian sources confirmed that trucks that arrived from Israel at the Rafah terminal at the Israel-Gaza border were barred from delivering the aid.

Ra’ed Fatooh, in charge of the crossings, and Jamal Khudari, head of a committee against the Gaza blockade, said Israel must release all flotilla detainees and that it will be accepted in the territory only by the Free Gaza Movement people who organized the flotilla.

Israel said it had 20 trucks of aid found on the ships, such as expired medications, clothing, blankets, some medical equipment and toys.

Do we need any more evidence that the entire incident was a staged setup, designed to generate a propaganda victory for Hamas? But there will be people, no doubt, who look at this and applaud Hamas for taking a brave stand on principle — while blithely ignoring the fact that this gang of terrorists couldn’t possibly care less about building a productive society, or helping the people of Gaza.

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145 comments
1 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:43:58am

Translation from Hamastardese: “We wanted our weapons. Waaah. But at least we made those silly Joos look bad.”

2 laZardo  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:44:58am
such as expired medications,

“The IDF replaced the good medicine with expired medications in a sick medical experiment for Big Pharmaceuticals using the Palestinians as guinea pigs!”

/fuck, now I gotta go search for it.

3 Ojoe  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:49:29am

What will Noam Chomsky say?

4 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:50:19am

Paul Larudee’s wife is babbling to the press about how much her husband wanted to see children running and laughing, and the Turkish woman with the baby talked about how they would play with the babies in Gaza.

The degree of Lady Bountiful attitude coming from these folks is pretty woefully funny, given what it covers.

Only war zone in the world where people imagine themselves arriving with candy and being joyfully greeted by little children who will do folk dances and recite little poems.

5 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:50:31am

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:50:36am

re: #3 Ojoe

What will Noam Chomsky say?

Cut and paste, dude, cut and paste.

7 laZardo  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:52:13am

Semi-OT

Hosni Mubarak is a dictatorial SOB. But I’d prefer that SOB over the Muslim Brotherhood. (Yes, the same MB that spawned Hamas.)

Egypt’s biggest opposition group has said it will back the former UN atomic watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei’s political change campaign, reports say.

The Muslim Brotherhood failed to win any seats in elections to the upper legislative house on Wednesday.

It alleged the vote for the Shura Council had been rigged.

Mr ElBaradei has launched a campaign for political change in Egypt, but has not officially declared he will contest elections next year.

SNIP

8 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:52:34am

re: #5 abaleh

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

Good report. Thanks.

9 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:53:37am

re: #2 laZardo

Give them time. I am sure some moonbat will propose just exactly that.

10 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:54:43am

Was anyone watching fox News a couple minutes ago when Megan Kelly was on? It looked like there was a chill in the studio.

11 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:57:03am

Despite Hamas leaders living in luxury (mostly in Syria) based on diverted aid and smuggling tunnel fees, you’d think they’d at least accept the toys. Without fresh shipments of the latest Transformers or Bratz dolls for Western readers to connect with, their staged fauxtography will lose most of its oomph.

12 laZardo  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:57:35am

Gonna (answer nature’s call) and go to bed. Nighty!

13 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:57:58am

re: #5 abaleh

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

Well, shitfire, there is unemployment in Detroit too. And the Tigers got cheated out of a perfect game last night.

14 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:59:38am

WaPO:

In Gaza, a complex, dysfunctional way of life

…Gazans lament where they can’t go more than what they can’t buy. They also decry the lack of employment — with no building supplies and few trade possibilities, joblessness is rampant. Once an exporter of fruits and other goods, Gaza has been turned into a mini-welfare state with a broken economy where food and daily goods are plentiful, but where 80 percent of the population depends on charity. Hospitals, schools, electricity systems and sewage treatment facilities are all in deep disrepair.

Yet if you walk down Gaza City’s main thoroughfare — Salah al-Din Street — grocery stores are stocked wall-to-wall with everything from fresh Israeli yogurts and hummus to Cocoa Puffs smuggled in from Egypt. Pharmacies look as well-supplied as a typical Rite Aid in the United States.

15 laZardo  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:59:50am

re: #13 Alouette

Well, shitfire, there is unemployment in Detroit too. And the Tigers got cheated out of a perfect game last night.

The US Navy has a blockade in Lake Erie?

/k, actually going now.

16 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:00:31am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Children running and playing? You mean like this?

Or this?

Or this?

17 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:01:01am

Turkish navy ‘to back next convoy’ following Gaza flotilla raid

Israel is facing another potentially explosive confrontation at sea as pro-Palestinian activists sent two more boats to challenge its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Turkey - one of Israel’s closest Muslim allies until Monday’s clash left several of citizens dead - was last night reported to be considering sending a naval escort for the boats.

This would arrive in the region at the end of the week, creating a potential flashpoint for a major clash between the nations.

18 Gus  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:02:19am

Hamas = drama queens.

Israel’s FM is offering up an idea to lighten the blockade if the primitive Hamas government allows the Red Cross to visit Gilad Shalit on a monthly basis. That’s what I read last night at JPost.

19 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:02:49am

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Paul Larudee’s wife is babbling to the press about how much her husband wanted to see children running and laughing, and the Turkish woman with the baby talked about how they would play with the babies in Gaza.

The degree of Lady Bountiful attitude coming from these folks is pretty woefully funny, given what it covers.

Only war zone in the world where people imagine themselves arriving with candy and being joyfully greeted by little children who will do folk dances and recite little poems.

Larudee, one of the co-founders of Free Palestine Movement and Free Gaza Movement?

20 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:03:10am

re: #5 abaleh

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

And a few in Africa who are.

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:03:19am

Fuck Hamas.

22 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:04:03am

Apparently, if you do a search in the UNRWA site of the word starvation, the only result is a UN resolution from 1949.

23 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:04:10am

re: #19 MandyManners

Larudee, one of the co-founders of Free Palestine Movement and Free Gaza Movement?

That’s the man. He’s now resting up in Greece, having been thrown off a boat by the IDF. Apparently he took a swing at the boarding personnel.

(Never a shark around when you need one.)

24 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:04:17am

re: #5 abaleh

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

Yemen, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria?

25 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:05:28am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Turkish navy ‘to back next convoy’ following Gaza flotilla raid

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

26 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:05:46am

I want to thank LGF for the education the last few days. I am truly embarrassed for some of the idiots on the left who swallowed this PR gambit without one iota of thought or reason. I can’t even look at HuffPo anymore for my Lindsey Lohan fix. Huff you’ve been replaced by your journalistic better, TMZ.

27 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #24 MandyManners

Yemen, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria?

And a few that are blessed with oil, like Iraq and and Sudan (which is still only half arab, but they’re working on that).

28 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:06:06am

SSDD. Anything to cast Israel in negative light is all that matters to Hamas and these so-called Peace Activists.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:06:16am

Anyone know if the UN has updated their map of Israel?

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:06:32am

re: #25 Charles

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

Turkey is in a real damn mood over this one.

31 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:06:53am

re: #25 Charles

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

I hope you’re right. That could get ugly fast.

32 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:07:27am

re: #7 laZardo

Semi-OT

Hosni Mubarak is a dictatorial SOB. But I’d prefer that SOB over the Muslim Brotherhood. (Yes, the same MB that spawned Hamas.)


SNIP

Mohamed ElBaradei? Nukes? What nukes?

33 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:07:55am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

Was anyone watching fox News a couple minutes ago when Megan Kelly was on? It looked like there was a chill in the studio.

Her teeth were chattering?

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:08:04am

One of the guys at our demo in SF yesterday had a brother on the Mavi Marmara—IDF, not peace activist. He’s OK, thank God, but has a few broken bones.

35 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:08:39am

re: #26 Jeff In Ohio

I want to thank LGF for the education the last few days. I am truly embarrassed for some of the idiots on the left who swallowed this PR gambit without one iota of thought or reason. I can’t even look at HuffPo anymore for my Lindsey Lohan fix. Huff you’ve been replaced by your journalistic better, TMZ.

the extremes on either side are an embarrassment to rationality and logic, my dude…welcome to the anti-idiot bubble!

36 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:08:51am

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

WaPO:

In Gaza, a complex, dysfunctional way of life

Kookoo for Cocoa Puffs!

37 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:09:04am

re: #33 MandyManners

Her teeth were chattering?

Yeah….that’s it…chattering teeth.

;o)

38 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:09:55am

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

WaPO:

In Gaza, a complex, dysfunctional way of life

Once an exporter of fruits and other goods
When the Israelis were in charge?

39 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:10:09am

re: #25 Charles

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

I really hope so!

If not, it’s a pretty clear indication of intent. (Would sending the navy to breach a blockade be considered an act of war?)

40 Bagua  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:10:32am

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

One of the guys at our demo in SF yesterday had a brother on the Mavi Marmara—IDF, not peace activist. He’s OK, thank God, but has a few broken bones.

May he have a complete recovery.

41 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:10:44am

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

WaPO:

In Gaza, a complex, dysfunctional way of life

Funny how the writer left out the gas masks and body armor in that article. Funny strange, not funny haha.

42 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:10:51am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Turkish navy ‘to back next convoy’ following Gaza flotilla raid

Does Turkey really want a war with Israel?

43 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:11:40am

re: #2 laZardo

Oh, they were also complaining the Israelis took batteries out of wheelchairs rendering them unusable. Of course, the photo accompanying the story showed only manual wheelchairs - not the motorized variety.

44 researchok  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:11:44am

re: #25 Charles

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

Or, they’ll say they are just there to monitor. Then they will say their military presence intimidated and thwarted Israel’s planned violence.

They’ll talk themselves into it and then pat themselves on the back.

The world will applaud, the Turks will save face and everything will go back to where it was- including the blockade.

45 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:15am

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuck Hamas.

Not even with oh never mind.

46 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:37am

re: #10 NJDhockeyfan

Was anyone watching fox News a couple minutes ago when Megan Kelly was on? It looked like there was a chill in the studio.

High-beams?

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:39am

re: #40 Bagua

May he have a complete recovery.

The guy said that he’d told his brother he was going to the demo and had been asked to thank the activists at the consulate. We told him that he had that exactly backward.

48 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:49am

Flotilla Passenger: “I Want to Be a Shahid (Martyr)”

“In footage captured on the Gaza flotilla a passenger describes how he has attempted in previous convoys to become a martyr and that “god willing” he will succeed on this flotilla. The Gaza flotilla passengers had presented themselves as peace activists who would not act violently against Israeli forces, however this provides further evidence to the contrary.”

49 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:52am

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s the man. He’s now resting up in Greece, having been thrown off a boat by the IDF. Apparently he took a swing at the boarding personnel.

(Never a shark around when you need one.)

Shit floats.

50 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:12:58am

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

the extremes on either side are an embarrassment to rationality and logic, my dude…welcome to the anti-idiot bubble!

That’s a sentiment that should be universally embraced.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:00am

re: #42 MandyManners

Does Turkey really want a war with Israel?

No, but they want to posture.

52 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:24am

Canada-Israel Committee takedown of lefty talking circulated to Canadian Parliamentarians yesterday.

RTWT (not really copy/pasteable)

53 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:26am

re: #39 Joo-LiZ

Yes. Which is why I think Charles is right. Erdogan is blowing hot air to appease the islamists.

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:38am

re: #44 researchok

Or, they’ll say they are just there to monitor. Then they will say their military presence intimidated and thwarted Israel’s planned violence.

They’ll talk themselves into it and then pat themselves on the back.

The world will applaud, the Turks will save face and everything will go back to where it was- including the blockade.

And the extremists will go off when Turkey is not willing to start a shooting war with Israel over this…

55 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:39am

re: #42 MandyManners

No. Erdogan wants to keep his Islamist party in power and nothing says party in the Middle East more than an anti-Israel party.

Oh and if the Turks were really that stupid to want to get into a dustup with the Israelis, they might want to make sure that Israel didn’t include off-switches buried in all the tech that Israel has provided them over the years. ///

56 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:40am

re: #27 abaleh

And a few that are blessed with oil, like Iraq and and Sudan (which is still only half arab, but they’re working on that).

Will the money flow better in Iraq now that Saddam is no longer hoarding it?

57 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:13:41am

re: #43 lawhawk

Oh, they were also complaining the Israelis took batteries out of wheelchairs rendering them unusable. Of course, the photo accompanying the story showed only manual wheelchairs - not the motorized variety.

LOL.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:14:15am

re: #46 darthstar

High-beams?

Uhuh. And they were fabulous.

59 Gus  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:14:53am

re: #48 Ericus58

Flotilla Passenger: “I Want to Be a Shahid (Martyr)”


[Video]”In footage captured on the Gaza flotilla a passenger describes how he has attempted in previous convoys to become a martyr and that “god willing” he will succeed on this flotilla. The Gaza flotilla passengers had presented themselves as peace activists who would not act violently against Israeli forces, however this provides further evidence to the contrary.”

Notice the microphone. That’s PressTV, Iranian television.

60 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:15:09am

re: #58 NJDhockeyfan

Uhuh. And they were fabulous.

So you actually can get something positive from Fox news.

61 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:15:39am

re: #5 abaleh

Slice of Life in Gaza

Apparently even UNRWA doesn’t claim there is starvation in Gaza, only high levels of poverty, deprivation and unemployment. which is pretty much how you can describe any Arab country that isn’t blessed with oil.

And Detroit!

62 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:15:50am

re: #43 lawhawk

Oh, they were also complaining the Israelis took batteries out of wheelchairs rendering them unusable. Of course, the photo accompanying the story showed only manual wheelchairs - not the motorized variety.


THAT’S obvious!!!
NO Batteries in a manual wheelchair??
Dam* Joooos!
They kept the electric ones!
How cruel!!
/

63 abolitionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:16:04am

re: #43 lawhawk

Oh, they were also complaining the Israelis took batteries out of wheelchairs rendering them unusable. Of course, the photo accompanying the story showed only manual wheelchairs - not the motorized variety.

I’d prefer to call them Leon Klinghoffer chairs, motorized or not.

64 researchok  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:16:16am

re: #54 oaktree

And the extremists will go off when Turkey is not willing to start a shooting war with Israel over this…

Actually, I don’t really believe the Turkish navy will show up.

I believe this is all bluster for domestic consumption.

65 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:17:40am

re: #56 MandyManners

If you’re a Shiite and close to the ruling elite.

66 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:18:48am

Now I’m just a simple bbq grill jockey with intertube access, but it seems to me the Turkish flags in this funeral procession have been augmented with oddly familiar Hamas Islamic scarves and PLO flags:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

I guess all these peace activists joined up posthumously.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:18:56am

Laziness may appear attractive, but work gives satisfaction.
~ Anne Frank

Off to work I go…later lizards!

68 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:20:26am

re: #65 abaleh

If you’re a Shiite and close to the ruling elite.

Well, that sucks.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:21:31am

re: #66 Diamond Bullet

Now I’m just a simple bbq grill jockey with intertube access, but it seems to me the Turkish flags in this funeral procession have been augmented with oddly familiar Hamas Islamic scarves and PLO flags:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

I guess all these peace activists joined up posthumously.

There was clear Hamas involvement with the IHH operation.

70 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:22:47am

OT…
Have they caught that POS Joran VanDer Snot yet??
Hope lives a while in a Peruvian prison!!
…With lots of “Friends”!!

71 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:23:27am

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Can you say “Saving face”? See, I knew you could.

72 Kragar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:25:57am

Apparently Hamas wants the supplies delivered by the flotilla crews. The same crews who were rumored to be carrying large amounts of cash on them.

73 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:27:00am

re: #70 reloadingisnotahobby

OT…
Have they caught that POS Joran VanDer Snot yet??
Hope lives a while in a Peruvian prison!!
…With lots of “Friends”!!

He’s been caught.

74 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:27:32am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently Hamas wants the supplies delivered by the flotilla crews. The same crews who were rumored to be carrying large amounts of cash on them.

I say send the supplies to Africa where they’re actually needed.

75 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:29:23am

re: #73 MandyManners

He’s been caught.

Hope they throw him to the Sodomites!!!
…..If he’s guilty!!

76 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:29:34am

A BBC reporter that was in attendance at the funerals for the “Peace Ship Activists” made this observation concerning the mood and thought’s in Turkey:

“For Turks, it is not just that civilians died. The raid is seen as an attack on their country’s honour and sovereignty.”

That train of thinking could prove problematic…

77 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:30:38am

re: #76 Ericus58

A BBC reporter that was in attendance at the funerals for the “Peace Ship Activists” made this observation concerning the mood and thought’s in Turkey:

“For Turks, it is not just that civilians died. The raid is seen as an attack on their country’s honour and sovereignty.”

That train of thinking could prove problematic…

Well, don’t they already believe that we team up with Israelis to steal organs from Iraqis and sell them back in our countries?

Scary.

78 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:31:05am

re: #7 laZardo

Semi-OT

Hosni Mubarak is a dictatorial SOB. But I’d prefer that SOB over the Muslim Brotherhood. (Yes, the same MB that spawned Hamas.)

SNIP

Just a bump from past discussions on the Mosque in the WTC.

The Imam for the mosque is the son of one of the founders of the M. Brotherhood. AKA the political and philosophical wing of Hamas, Al Qaeda etc.

Now, what are the odds that this is just coincidence, or could we suspect that the son learned what he knows from the father?

79 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:32:43am

bbiab

80 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:32:46am
81 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:33:35am
82 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:33:46am

OT - (but this is old news. In Colorado, we far right scary conservatives have been outraged about this for months)…

White House says it contacted candidate about jobs

[Link: www.denverpost.com…]

83 abaleh  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:35:02am
84 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:35:15am

re: #75 reloadingisnotahobby

Hope they throw him to the Sodomites!!!
…If he’s guilty!!

Does Peru have the death penalty?

85 Kragar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:36:35am

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

OT - (but this is old news. In Colorado, we far right scary conservatives have been outraged about this for months)…

White House says it contacted candidate about jobs

[Link: www.denverpost.com…]

HOW DARE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OFFER CAREER POLITICIANS POSITIONS IN THE ADMINISTRATION?!?!

86 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:36:42am

re: #84 MandyManners

Does Peru have the death penalty?


Good question…..
I would think so …but??

87 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:36:56am

re: #78 Naso Tang

Just a bump from past discussions on the Mosque in the WTC.

The Imam for the mosque is the son of one of the founders of the M. Brotherhood. AKA the political and philosophical wing of Hamas, Al Qaeda etc.

Now, what are the odds that this is just coincidence, or could we suspect that the son learned what he knows from the father?

Oopsie.

88 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:37:01am

re: #84 MandyManners

Does Peru have the death penalty?

No, only third world countries and evil regimes have the Death Penalty.

89 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:37:22am

re: #88 darthstar

No, only third world countries and evil regimes have the Death Penalty.

Oops…with one exception…damn. Gotta watch out for those globalizations.

90 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:38:38am

re: #89 darthstar

Oops…with one exception…damn. Gotta watch out for those globalizations.

Feh…global generalizations.

91 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:39:00am

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

OT - (but this is old news. In Colorado, we far right scary conservatives have been outraged about this for months)…

White House says it contacted candidate about jobs

[Link: www.denverpost.com…]

Yawn.

Second yawn.

92 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:39:49am

re: #83 abaleh

sorry.

http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6521UG.htm

Well, bless Abu Khalil’s heart.

93 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:40:08am

re: #84 MandyManners

Does Peru have the death penalty?

it’s call it “a bus ride to Ecuador” ;)

94 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:40:10am

Did the Flotilla Activists win?

Under US pressure Netanyahu may ease Gaza Siege

The New York Times reported Thursday that the U.S. administration maintains that the naval siege cannot continue in its current format, and has apparently demanded that Israel ease its restrictions on the types of goods that are allowed to enter the Strip. The issue was brought up during a discussion between senior U.S. National Security Council officials and Netanyahu’s envoys Isaac Molho and Uzi Arad at the White House, both of whom returned to Israel from Washington on Wednesday.

Netanyahu has communicated to the American administration that he is open to new and creative ideas, but that he believes that any decision that is made must not be made lightly, and that any new format should be examined carefully ahead of time.

95 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:40:34am

What we need id the mainstream media to wake up and show the truth of this matter. Breaks the template of the poor starving underdog Palis though, so not gonna happen

96 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:40:35am

re: #91 Charles

Yawn.

Second yawn.

Get more sleep.

97 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:42:15am

re: #94 Joo-LiZ

Did the Flotilla Activists win?

Under US pressure Netanyahu may ease Gaza Siege

Is that what any of us would call “not an inch of daylight” between us and Israel? We got lied to by the administration official.

98 Kragar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:42:29am

re: #94 Joo-LiZ

The New York Times reported Thursday that the U.S. administration maintains that the naval siege cannot continue in its current format,

2 words, sea mines.

99 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:43:18am

re: #91 Charles

Yawn.

Second yawn.

It’s part of the great illegal presidency conspiracy.
1. Dude applies for job.
2. Dude announces candidacy for primary.
3. White House asks dude if he still wants job.
4. White House admits it asked dude if he still wants job.
5. Media reports fact, then adds editorial about how under some circumstances, a violation of law could occur, though they stop short of saying one has (that’s the “you decide” part).
6. Presiden’t still black, and still from Chicago by way of Hawaii and Kenya, so keep that in mind while deciding.

100 avanti  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:43:51am

Fox news is outraged by comments that the AZ immigration law is supported by white supremacists:

“There’s a concerted effort behind promoting these kinds of laws on a state-by-state basis by people who have ties to white supremacy groups,” said the lawmaker, who is of Mexican descent. “It’s been documented. It’s not mainstream politics.”

Apparently, she found the connections on a internet blog, odd that./ Odd too, that she is correct, but Fox is looking for apology.

white supremacy

101 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:44:29am

re: #99 darthstar

It’s part of the great illegal presidency conspiracy.
1. Dude applies for job.
2. Dude announces candidacy for primary.
3. White House asks dude if he still wants job.
4. White House admits it asked dude if he still wants job.
5. Media reports fact, then adds editorial about how under some circumstances, a violation of law could occur, though they stop short of saying one has (that’s the “you decide” part).
6. Presiden’t still black, and still from Chicago by way of Hawaii and Kenya, so keep that in mind while deciding.

The media wouldn’t do that… it would hurt President Obama.

102 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:44:48am

re: #99 darthstar

dang. broke through partisan reflex to upding. that was damn funny.

103 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:45:42am

re: #84 MandyManners

I’m not entirely sure. From what I’ve read from this article, it seems like the constitution allows it, but the penal code doesn’t, not to mention the fact that it appears that Peru’s membership to the American Convention on Human Rights prohibit signatories from instituting the death penalty, or if it is already on the books, not apply it more widely.

Granted, this is just from several seconds of searching about it, but it doesn’t look like Peru does have it, or at least have the option to use it.

104 Bagua  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:45:54am

Video of the circumcision of the Riser by the big giant sheers know as CRAW.

Yes, that is a veritable Oil-cano it unleashed.

105 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:46:09am

Quite an articulate Israeli Labour MK Eiant Wilf, on BBC:

106 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:46:38am

re: #97 Rightwingconspirator

Is that what any of us would call “not an inch of daylight” between us and Israel? We got lied to by the administration official.

You believed that bullshit?

107 Targetpractice  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:47:51am

re: #94 Joo-LiZ

Did the Flotilla Activists win?

Under US pressure Netanyahu may ease Gaza Siege

The New York Times reported Thursday that the U.S. administration maintains that the naval siege cannot continue in its current format, and has apparently demanded that Israel ease its restrictions on the types of goods that are allowed to enter the Strip. The issue was brought up during a discussion between senior U.S. National Security Council officials and Netanyahu’s envoys Isaac Molho and Uzi Arad at the White House, both of whom returned to Israel from Washington on Wednesday.

Netanyahu has communicated to the American administration that he is open to new and creative ideas, but that he believes that any decision that is made must not be made lightly, and that any new format should be examined carefully ahead of time.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I’m not. This Administration has fallen under that siren song known as “Mid-East Peace,” like those before it, and will proceed to do everything in its powers to sell Israel out in the hopes that doing everything short of driving them back into the sea will finally appease the Palis and attain that “two-state solution” everybody thinks is so nifty-keen. Hamas can scream as loudly as it likes that it will never sit down with its “enemy,” will never recognize Israel’s right to exist, will see the “Zionists” wiped from the Earth, and still our leaders will loudly proclaim “Let’s give them a state!”

108 sffilk  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:48:13am

re: #25 Charles

It’s not gonna happen. Erdogan is just blustering.

I hope you’re correct, Charles.

109 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:48:32am

re: #103 commadore183

I’m not entirely sure. From what I’ve read from this article, it seems like the constitution allows it, but the penal code doesn’t, not to mention the fact that it appears that Peru’s membership to the American Convention on Human Rights prohibit signatories from instituting the death penalty, or if it is already on the books, not apply it more widely.

Granted, this is just from several seconds of searching about it, but it doesn’t look like Peru does have it, or at least have the option to use it.

Maybe he can ask Lori Berenson for tips on living in a Peruvian prison.

110 Gus  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:49:01am

re: #78 Naso Tang

Just a bump from past discussions on the Mosque in the WTC.

The Imam for the mosque is the son of one of the founders of the M. Brotherhood. AKA the political and philosophical wing of Hamas, Al Qaeda etc.

Now, what are the odds that this is just coincidence, or could we suspect that the son learned what he knows from the father?

Well, according to Discover the Networks, Feisal Abdul Rauf’s father was not one of the founders of Muslim Brotherhood. His father was “a contemporary of one of the founders”:

Dr. Muhammad Abdul Rauf (1917-2004), was an Egyptian contemporary of Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Neither Feisal Abdul Rauf or Muhammad Abdul Rauf were ever suspected of any illegal activity.

The contention that his father was one of the founding members of MB however is false.

111 Obdicut  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:49:22am

re: #107 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You’re seriously saying that every US administration has done everything in its power to sell out Israel?

That’s gratitude for you.

112 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:49:57am
113 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:54:02am

re: #112 commadore183

Quick addendum: Peru does allow for the death penalty, but only for wartime treason.

But, not for psychopathic, murderous misogynists.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:56:46am

re: #74 abaleh

I say send the supplies to Africa where they’re actually needed.

Darfur has a desperate need for expired medicines and electric wheelchairs with no batteries?

115 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:57:31am

re: #14 NJDhockeyfan

re: #5 abaleh

UNRWA is such a freakin joke. Not that it should be a surprise to anyone, but last night I was looking for some recent documentation on the money they give to Arab “refugees”.

From skimming some links (I put one up in last night’s thread), apparently UNRWA is in economic dire straits. Like the rest of us in this bad economy, they’re hurting for money and almost out of funds. Whatever will the refugees do??

So I kept reading and found out that UNRWA gives money to Jordanian “refugees” who just happen to be Jordanian citizens. Jordan should be paying, but the King refuses. (Another shocka. He can’t stand those people either.) However, the UN won’t cut off the aid. If they did, Jordan would be forced to pay, or what… look bad in the eyes of the world? Like the Jews do every freakin day? The UN would never shame an Arab country, but hands the Jews to the world on a silver platter.

None of this, of course, addresses the embezzlement by the Palestinian leaders of MILLIONS of UN dollars. They live in mansions in Gaza and the WB. They drive Mercedes Benz (I have to find these links). And their people starve?? It’s inhumane, it’s immoral and the world does nothing but blame Israel. 60 years this has been going on.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:57:39am

re: #76 Ericus58

A BBC reporter that was in attendance at the funerals for the “Peace Ship Activists” made this observation concerning the mood and thought’s in Turkey:

“For Turks, it is not just that civilians died. The raid is seen as an attack on their country’s honour and sovereignty.”

That train of thinking could prove problematic…

To hell with their honour and sovereignty. Their ‘civilians’ were running an ally’s blockade. What’s up with that?

117 researchok  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:58:02am

re: #94 Joo-LiZ

Did the Flotilla Activists win?

Under US pressure Netanyahu may ease Gaza Siege

In truth there is no ‘blockade’. A blockade implies total closure and a refusal to allow the importation of any and all goods.

The Israelis are imposing inspection rules. There closure of the Gaza port is to cargo ships and other vessel that carries goods. This is not unique- other nations routinely insist on cargo inspections. The Israelis want the inspection done at the Port of Ashdod because that is where the necessary inspection technology can be found.

The Israelis are allowing the importation of virtually all goods, save for weapons and items that might have a military use.

The Israelis really need to take control of the narrative and the language.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 10:59:03am

re: #95 Rightwingconspirator

What we need id the mainstream media to wake up and show the truth of this matter. Breaks the template of the poor starving underdog Palis though, so not gonna happen

Breaking templates is my whole goal as an activist.

119 AbuNafha2  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:00:31am

Most Austrians like the term “safety” while the word “Islam” creates positive feelings with just three per cent, a new poll on word association has revealed.

A meagre 17 per cent said the term “multicultural” has a positive meaning for them, while only 15 per cent have a positive opinion of the term “European Union”.

“Islam” was found to be the least popular term with a support of just three per cent.
[Link: europenews.dk…]

Not everyone supports Hamas, but they are never asked in Europe…

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:00:31am

re: #109 MandyManners

Maybe he can ask Lori Berenson for tips on living in a Peruvian prison.

Well, she seems to have done reasonably well.

121 Jaerik  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:02:33am

I’m on Israel’s side here, so I’m less concerned about the actual facts regarding who attacked who. I trusted the IDF’s version of events more than Hamas from the start. The whole thing was clearly a publicity stunt.

That still being said, the real question and real debate (in my opinion) should be about why Israel appears to be losing the PR battle anyway. The stunt worked. Perception is often more important than reality, and Israel is blowing the perception management badly.

I really think the current Israeli government’s hard-line conservative, isolationist, “whatever it takes to be safe” strategy for international relations is doing long-term harm to Israel’s standing in the world, in exchange for short-term safety. It’s pretty much precisely the problem the US had for the greater part of the last decade. Except while the US seems to have gradually eased out of its public perception nosedive, Israel seems to have just completely given up.

I am also deeply troubled by the polarization of the debate into a “you either support Israel 100% of you’re an anti-semitic terrorist sympathizer.” That’s the same false dichotomy that this very blog has frequently criticized in US politics. If Israel is a secular democracy and not a single-party theocracy, both foreign and domestic sources should be able to criticize the current administration’s implementation of public safety policy without invoking accusations of hating Judaism itself. Unfortunately, such debate is getting more and more difficult.

122 researchok  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:05:36am

re: #121 Jaerik

I’m on Israel’s side here, so I’m less concerned about the actual facts regarding who attacked who. I trusted the IDF’s version of events more than Hamas from the start. The whole thing was clearly a publicity stunt.

That still being said, the real question and real debate (in my opinion) should be about why Israel appears to be losing the PR battle anyway. The stunt worked. Perception is often more important than reality, and Israel is blowing the perception management badly.

I really think the current Israeli government’s hard-line conservative, isolationist, “whatever it takes to be safe” strategy for international relations is doing long-term harm to Israel’s standing in the world, in exchange for short-term safety. It’s pretty much precisely the problem the US had for the greater part of the last decade. Except while the US seems to have gradually eased out of its public perception nosedive, Israel seems to have just completely given up.

I am also deeply troubled by the polarization of the debate into a “you either support Israel 100% of you’re an anti-semitic terrorist sympathizer.” That’s the same false dichotomy that this very blog has frequently criticized in US politics. If Israel is a secular democracy and not a single-party theocracy, both foreign and domestic sources should be able to criticize the current administration’s implementation of public safety policy without invoking accusations of hating Judaism itself. Unfortunately, such debate is getting more and more difficult.

The Israelis have allowed the Palestinians to control the narrative for too long, assuming facts trump impressions.

That has to change.

123 Ericus58  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:05:37am

re: #121 Jaerik

You have a point you’d like to ‘debate’ that up to know has been shouted down?

124 Political Atheist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:05:58am

re: #106 MandyManners

It was very well received here, so keeping track becomes worthwhile.When we, & especially our kind host give a statement like that the benefit I really notice when we get lied to.

125 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:06:39am

re: #121 Jaerik

re: the PR battle. Nicholas Kristof had a good opinion piece on that

Israel’s hard-line policies are depleting America’s international political capital as well as its own. Gen. David Petraeus noted two months ago that the perception that the United States favors Israel breeds anti-Americanism and bolsters Al Qaeda. The chief of Mossad, Meir Dagan, was quoted in the Israeli press as making the point more succinctly: “Israel is gradually turning from an asset to the United States to a burden.”

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

126 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:09:00am
“I have not yet begun to fight!” —Captain John Paul Jones 1779

“Don’t Give up the ship!” — Captain James Lawrence, 1813

“Damn the torpedoes! Full steam ahead!” —Admiral David Farragut, 1862

“You may fire when ready, Gridley!” —Commodore George Dewey, 1898

“Oh no! Israel stopped a ship near Gaza, the militants attacked the troops, and nine were killed. Our policy is untenable and we better give in.” —President Barack Obama, 2010?

I hope the above turns out to be an exaggeration…


By Barry Rubin.
Read the whole thing

127 darthstar  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:13:20am

re: #126 Joo-LiZ

“Oh no! Israel stopped a ship near Gaza, the militants attacked the troops, and nine were killed. Our policy is untenable and we better give in.” —President Barack Obama, 2010?

Didn’t President Obama release a statement supporting Israel?

128 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:13:37am

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, she seems to have done reasonably well.

I hope he doesn’t.

129 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:14:06am

re: #126 Joo-LiZ

Funny, but not true :)

130 What, me worry?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:16:41am

re: #126 Joo-LiZ

By Barry Rubin.
Read the whole thing

The problem is that that interview with Biden was on the Charlie Rose show. You can Google it. I found the video this morning. Rose asks him many questions, also about the gulf. It’s a long video and I didn’t have time to watch it all.

Biden could speak about this, and that’s fine, but it really should have come from either Obama or Hillary AND it should have been done in the form of an address to the nation. Because people aren’t really hearing about it.

131 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:18:01am

re: #121 Jaerik

i think that your concerns are overstated. for example, Charles posted some thoughts on why Israel’s defensive stance may be unwise. AFAIK, the debate right now in Israel is whether or not this was the wise move (not more than a handful of crazies seem to believe that this was not within their rights).

what i’ve seen are people who aren’t clear about the distinction between whether they think that Israel was right, and whether they think that Israel acted wisely.

lack of clarity can get you in a little bit of hot water, sure…but is that so bad?

132 Joo-LiZ  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:18:51am

re: #127 darthstar

Didn’t President Obama release a statement supporting Israel?

It was made by Joe Biden, and it sounds like the US is going to pressure Israel pseudo-behind-the-scenes to change things about the Blockade. See my #94

133 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:19:50am

re: #124 Rightwingconspirator

It was very well received here, so keeping track becomes worthwhile.When we, & especially our kind host give a statement like that the benefit I really notice when we get lied to.

Sorry — but I still don’t see any of this as anything more than the absolutely standard diplomatic song and dance routine that follows every one of these staged international incidents.

Sound and fury, signifying nothing. And Netanyahu’s fiercest critics over this incident, by the way, are actually in Israel.

134 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:24:19am

re: #132 Joo-LiZ

It was made by Joe Biden, and it sounds like the US is going to pressure Israel pseudo-behind-the-scenes to change things about the Blockade. See my #94

Or maybe we just said that out loud. Time will tell…in the meantime, let’s make like the Palestinians and pay more attention to what our leaders are telling us than what they’re inventing for the useful idiots at the UN.

I promise to join you in condemnation if there is an actual shift away from our Israeli friends and towards their terrorist enemies!

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:29:58am

re: #121 Jaerik

I am also deeply troubled by the polarization of the debate into a “you either support Israel 100% of you’re an anti-semitic terrorist sympathizer.” That’s the same false dichotomy that this very blog has frequently criticized in US politics. If Israel is a secular democracy and not a single-party theocracy, both foreign and domestic sources should be able to criticize the current administration’s implementation of public safety policy without invoking accusations of hating Judaism itself. Unfortunately, such debate is getting more and more difficult.

Please remember, there’s a fairly large brigade out there that comes at it from the other angle—you either condemn Israel 100% or you’re a racist, fascist, monster. The ante has not been raised, only from one side. And the ‘concerns’ and ‘criticisms’ raised often deteriorate into vague talking points that boil down to “I feel like Israel could be nicer if they wanted to, and Avigdor Lieberman scares me, and I have this idea that The Settlers have a lot of power.”

This does not apply, normally, to U.S. politicians, please note.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:30:42am

re: #126 Joo-LiZ

By Barry Rubin.
Read the whole thing

It’s Barry Rubin.

137 wrenchwench  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:32:38am

re: #125 darthstar

re: the PR battle. Nicholas Kristof had a good opinion piece on that

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Kristof didn’t have much to say about what Hamas could do to change the dynamic. His only mention of Hamas is in this paragraph:

How do we change this dynamic? One necessary step is a major investigation of what happened. Another is a quick end to the blockade of Gaza, by Egypt as well as Israel. The blockade has failed to topple Hamas, failed to recover the captured soldier Gilad Shalit, and failed to keep rockets out of Gaza.

Since it hasn’t worked, Kristof suggests Obama should pressure Israel to give up. Real helpful.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:34:03am

re: #130 marjoriemoon


Biden could speak about this, and that’s fine, but it really should have come from either Obama or Hillary AND it should have been done in the form of an address to the nation. Because people aren’t really hearing about it.

Honestly, how many Americans care what the president has to say about a shooting in the Mediterranean, as opposed to what the hell we’re going to try next with this oil thing?

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:34:59am

re: #133 Charles

Sorry — but I still don’t see any of this as anything more than the absolutely standard diplomatic song and dance routine that follows every one of these staged international incidents.

Sound and fury, signifying nothing. And Netanyahu’s fiercest critics over this incident, by the way, are actually in Israel.

Always are. Israelis do not buy the whole ‘shut up, you’re not a patriot if you criticize’ thing. Never have.

140 Jaerik  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 11:46:35am

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

lack of clarity can get you in a little bit of hot water, sure…but is that so bad?

No, and I think a non-trivial amount of the criticism directed at Israel actually is either concern trolling or actual anti-semitism, too. But there’s been no shortage of folks in these threads over the past few days who launch straight to the anti-semitism accusations the moment anyone expresses less than 100% support at the current administration’s implementation of policy.

There’s been many links made to pro-Israel blogs that call domestic critics terrorist sympathizers, secret haters of Judaism, “traitors,” etc. One thread-linked site even said that all Israeli citizens must choose between supporting the government, or supporting Hamas. I’m disappointed that no one’s been willing to call that crap out for the false dichotomy it is, with the same gusto this blog seems to call out similar fallacies by our own ultra-right in recent years.

141 grumpy  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 12:00:09pm

just heard that the bunch of savages (anc/muslim buddies) have withdrawn their ambassador (ishmael coovadia) from Israel
who would send a ‘slumo’ sympathiser to the Jewish state in the first instance unless they where waiting for an ‘incident’ to withdraw the plant
who the fuck cares what a third world quasi dictatorship (south africa) does on the international stage - the opinion of this crude bunch is inconsequential and irrelevant
go Israel
Zionist forever
temporarily located in the arse of africa

142 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 1:03:45pm

re: #141 grumpy

Your post is not easy to comprehend, but I think it means you’re angry about South Africa withdrawing their ambassador to Israel?

143 Zendette  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 1:18:42pm

re: #140 Jaerik

In my blog I attempt to read several different opinions and maintain a fairly balanced view, even if I do live in Israel. I value being able to read blogs from both sides, but admit that my positions usually favor Israel, while still criticizing tactical decisions. We must always use our critical thinking. The functionality is there for a purpose.
//not in a Creationist way

144 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 5:23:31pm

Expired medications? Depending on the drug, you can kill someone with those.

145 Morrisminor  Thu, Jun 3, 2010 6:01:51pm

Hamas cares as much about their people as the Commies cared about the real workers and peasants, let them die or killed them by the millions


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