Oh noes! The wingnut stalkers are on to me.
Is Charles Johnson of LGF a secret Muslim?
The “reasoning” behind this plaintive question is that only a sekrit Moslem enemy could possibly believe Muslim Americans deserve constitutional rights and protections. Yep, really.
This is what the bigotry virus looks like in an advanced stage.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:33:12am |
I have nothing.
This is too crazy.
Mr Obama can you stop the Internet? I’d like to get off!
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:33:26am |
A seekrit Muslim who receives Zionist checks!
Bwahahaha!
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:33:55am |
We all know you’re a Jedi, Charles.
Much to my disappointment.
///
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:33:56am |
Ah, that’s why you don’t criticize Obama the way you used to—fellow Muslim.
/
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:36:36am |
That’s right folks. Defending the 1st Amendment for Muslims can only mean one thing: you’re a secret Muslim!
//
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Randall Gross Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:37:07am |
Charles, can you teach me the sekret muslim handshake just in case I ever get to meet President Obama?
//
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:38:17am |
By this standard, most US Jews are secret Muslims.
I did read the other day an incoherent screed accusing Jews of working for the Muslims, already betraying the West to try to get better treatment under the coming caliphate.
With the rising of the conspiracy theories and antisemitism on the right wing, I can see that becoming a standard new conspiracy.
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JeffM70 Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:39:45am |
Egads. That dude’s post was barely coherent. I don’t think he and the English language are on speaking or writing terms.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:40:56am |
re: #7 Obdicut
By this standard, most US Jews are secret Muslims.
I did read the other day an incoherent screed accusing Jews of working for the Muslims, already betraying the West to try to get better treatment under the coming caliphate.
With the rising of the conspiracy theories and antisemitism on the right wing, I can see that becoming a standard new conspiracy.
Wingnut logic. If you defend gay rights the wingnut conclusion is that you’re gay. It’s a rather portable logic that can be applied to anything.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:43:12am |
re: #9 Gus 802
Heh. When I worked at EA, my friend Andrew and I were watching Sex in the City at lunch. It was an episode where the women were discussing blowjobs. Another employee wandered up behind us, watched it with us for five minutes, and then declared, “Dude, that is so gay,” and left.
We broke down laughing. Apparently, watching a show about women and sex is really fucking gay. To a certain segment of the population, anything having to do with girls at all is gay. The only non-gay stuff is things involving just men.
It’s a funny old world.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:43:15am |
re: #9 Gus 802
Wingnut logic. If you defend gay rights the wingnut conclusion is that you’re gay. It’s a rather portable logic that can be applied to anything.
I defend gays… I’m a wingnut… I’m not gay… I’m confused.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:43:48am |
re: #11 Walter L. Newton
I defend gays… I’m a wingnut… I’m not gay… I’m confused.
You’re not a wingnut. You’re Walter.
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:43:55am |
“Avid” was one of the idiot freaks who populated the late Lizard Lounge. A small, select group of flounced Loungers still hang out together in another chat room. Some of them had brains, but apparently chose to use them only on random occasions. Several flounced because, according to them, Charles “became anti-religion” when he started criticizing Creationists.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:44:48am |
I used to get irked a lot when people thought that antisemitism and islamophobia were almost the same. And as far as Judaism and Islam are different, they are not the same. But I had to realize that paranoid delusion as displayed by this stalker-fella, does not bother with any actual reality. And in this manner, this stalker-fella is pretty much in goose-step with the brown-shirts of not-too-long-ago who saw “jewification” of their people’s culture everywhere, perpetrated even by jewified non-jews, and who viewed people who stood up for jews as traitors of their own race.
These fellas often tell their nations to wake up, so that their cries of paranoia and hysteria seem like warning calls. “Deutschland, erwache!”
Now, “Wake up, America!”…
Well, if you are awake, America, let me tell you: Beware of where you are headed.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:45:02am |
re: #11 Walter L. Newton
I defend gays… I’m a wingnut… I’m not gay… I’m confused.
I know wingnuts.
You, sir, are no wingnut.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:46:07am |
Haha it’s so pathetic. You’re a secret Muslim to these clowns because gasp you believe that Muslim Americans should have the same religious liberties that Christian ones do.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:46:14am |
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:46:31am |
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:48:11am |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
Haha it’s so pathetic. You’re a secret Muslim to these clowns because gasp you believe that Muslim Americans should have the same religious liberties that Christian ones do.
BREAKING DRUDGE…THIS JUST IN….FOUNDING FATHERS SEEKRIT MUSLIMS TOO….DEVELOPING….
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:48:27am |
I should start selling Muslim products at the Zionist Mall.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:48:29am |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
What ever.
OK, but let me point out that this thread is filed under “wingnuts”.
Mira…
The Terrible Secret of LGF
——>Wingnuts | Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:30:57 am PDT
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Varek Raith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:49:00am |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:49:15am |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
Haha it’s so pathetic. You’re a secret Muslim to these clowns because gasp you believe that Muslim Americans should have the same religious liberties that Christian ones do.
“But see, Islam is not a religion! It’s a political ideology!”
Kinda like when bigots (like Wilhelm Marr) began to argue that judaism was a race and not a religion.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:49:52am |
Note to the right-wing nutosphere:
You have two choices. You can either wise up, or wizen up and blow away.
Right now I’m not betting on the former.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:49:57am |
re: #21 Gus 802
OK, but let me point out that this thread is filed under “wingnuts”.
Mira…
The Terrible Secret of LGF
—->Wingnuts | Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:30:57 am PDT
And your point is?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:51:42am |
re: #24 Cato the Elder
Note to the right-wing nutosphere:
You have two choices. You can either wise up, or wizen up and blow away.
Right now I’m not betting on the former.
He… right-wing nut-o-sphere, the left-wing moon-o-sphere… it’s all political bling for those who just learned to walk upright 2 weeks ago.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:53:19am |
re: #26 Walter L. Newton
Do people who learned to walk upright two weeks ago invest heavily into bling?
I haven’t noticed many of the year-olds around my work toddling about with diamond-encrusted nappies.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:54:22am |
re: #19 iceweasel
BREAKING DRUDGE…THIS JUST IN…FOUNDING FATHERS SEEKRIT MUSLIMS TOO…DEVELOPING…
I installed two way mirrors at John Adams’s house in Riyadh.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:54:38am |
See?? It was just a matter of time before the TRUE symbolism behind the meaning of Little Green Footballs was revealed. You’ve all been duped! Taqiyyahhhhhh!!11! Bwahahaha!
*eyeroll*
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:54:51am |
أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:54:53am |
re: #19 iceweasel
BREAKING DRUDGE…THIS JUST IN…FOUNDING FATHERS SEEKRIT MUSLIMS TOO…DEVELOPING…
Thomas Jefferson was teh sekrit Muslim!!11ty
//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:55:07am |
re: #27 Obdicut
Do people who learned to walk upright two weeks ago invest heavily into bling?
I haven’t noticed many of the year-olds around my work toddling about with diamond-encrusted nappies.
I’m not using the term in the sense of value, I’m using it in the sense of shiny and sparkly… but you knew that already.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:55:35am |
re: #30 SpaceJesus
أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
OK, as planned. I’ll meet you by the mail box at 2200.
/
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:56:00am |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
I’m not using the term in the sense of value, I’m using it in the sense of shiny and sparkly… but you knew that already.
I actually have no clue what your post meant.
Feel free to share, if you like.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:56:39am |
re: #33 Gus 802
OK, as planned. I’ll meet you by the mail box at 2200.
/
all will go according to plan, inshallah
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:57:02am |
re: #34 Obdicut
I actually have no clue what your post meant.
Feel free to share, if you like.
You frequently respond to comments that you have no clue about?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:57:14am |
I became suspicious when Mahdi Al Jaffee started posting.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:57:36am |
re: #30 SpaceJesus
أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
Wait a minute - that seekrit code is written backwards!
[gets out conspir-o-meter, starts sniffing around]
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:58:00am |
re: #27 Obdicut
Do people who learned to walk upright two weeks ago invest heavily into bling?
I haven’t noticed many of the year-olds around my work toddling about with diamond-encrusted nappies.
Walter is very concerned about the uses of wingnut and nutosphere.
They cheapen the discourse, unlike, say, posting “yawn”.
“What ever.”
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:59:24am |
re: #36 Walter L. Newton
You frequently respond to comments that you have no clue about?
When they contain entertaining images of toddlers with bling, yes.
I have seen some really disturbing ads for diapers made to look like denim recently.
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stevemcg Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:59:32am |
Sometimes, for the halibut, I try to take an opposing idea and run with it. But I just can’t do anything with right wingers. I can do something with NRA types. I can even go no nukes for the sake of argument. But the wingers are just so incoherent.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 10:59:41am |
Jeez… so Charles is a secret Muslim because he hasn’t gone down the rabbit hole to say that the mosque project in NYC should be stopped at all costs. Let’s just throw out constitutional protections and guarantees. Strict constructionists my ass. What these people are doing is ignoring the Constitution, ignoring the reasons - and that it is this very kind of bigotry and vitriol that helped define and shape the basis of the 1st Amendment in the first place to provide protection of free speech and to not promote one religion over others.
They’re just letting that hatred flow because it’s all-consuming and all-encompassing.
I guess I should be lucky that they haven’t gone after me because I’m not opposed to the project and that I continue calling them out on their lies and misrepresentations about the project near Ground Zero.
Oh, and I’m Jewish too.
And it wasn’t all that long ago (and actually it still goes on) that Jews were accused of dual loyalties - this is just another manifestation of the same hate and vitriol towards “the other”.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:00:12am |
Drat, I have to work on something and can’t stay. I’m gonna miss all the laughs!
BBL
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:00:19am |
re: #23 000G
“But see, Islam is not a religion! It’s a political ideology!”
Kinda like when bigots (like Wilhelm Marr) began to argue that judaism was a race and not a religion.
Yep, same crap, different religion. The thing that amuses me is how ignorant these people are of Islam.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:00:29am |
I like this look…
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:01:49am |
re: #42 lawhawk
It also reminds me of the attempt to drive a wedge between the more secular Jews and the more religious Jews— both in Germany and here in the United States. This is a community center as well as a mosque; it has benefits for those Muslims (and others in the community, as well) who will never use the prayer room at all.
I have never been a religious Jew. I have always preferred to go to the JCC.
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stevemcg Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:01:53am |
re: #43 CuriousLurker
Drat, I have to work on something and can’t stay. I’m gonna miss all the laughs!
BBL
As long as the days have hours, you can count on the kookiness.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:03:38am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:04:07am |
re: #40 Obdicut
When they contain entertaining images of toddlers with bling, yes.
I have seen some really disturbing ads for diapers made to look like denim recently.
My comment was a variation on part of an old Woody Allen routine from his stand up comic days (yes, I’m that old, yes, he did stand up comedy, in a Tux no less)… he mentions about living in a seedy part of The Village, and how he would come across Neanderthals (crooks, criminal, vermin, bums) in the vestibule of his apartment building, they just learned to walk upright, all he had to do to distract them was to jangle his house keys or something, they were still fascinated by shiny objects, and so on…
Had nothing to do with children or diapers.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:04:39am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:05:35am |
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:06:28am |
It took me a minute to laugh that one out before I could post…
I will say, it’s nice to see such full support of Israel from muslim-americans, Charles…
///
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:10:04am |
re: #50 Walter L. Newton
Ah.
And Neanderthals were great at making jewelry. I just wasn’t aware they were that into partisan politics. Though I guess with their population under such pressure from Cro-Magnon man, it’s quite probable.
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RogueOne Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:10:29am |
Am I supposed to know who AvidEditor is, because until now I didn’t know they existed. Am I leading a sheltered life and just didn’t realize it? LGF probably just gave him his highest hit count EVER!//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:11:09am |
re: #54 Obdicut
Ah.
And Neanderthals were great at making jewelry. I just wasn’t aware they were that into partisan politics. Though I guess with their population under such pressure from Cro-Magnon man, it’s quite probable.
Precisely.
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stevemcg Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:11:56am |
re: #54 Obdicut
Ah.
And Neanderthals were great at making jewelry. I just wasn’t aware they were that into partisan politics. Though I guess with their population under such pressure from Cro-Magnon man, it’s quite probable.
Not all of them were that partisan. Supposedly there was some mixing of the races. Ewwww.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:13:15am |
re: #54 Obdicut
Ah.
And Neanderthals were great at making jewelry. I just wasn’t aware they were that into partisan politics. Though I guess with their population under such pressure from Cro-Magnon man, it’s quite probable.
I’ll be back… my humor meter is broken again.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:13:40am |
re: #59 SpaceJesus
and the hidden 12th imam, charles johnson
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:14:09am |
re: #57 stevemcg
Well, that’s just one side of the coin.
Thog say we must breed with Cro-Magnon man.
He appeaser.
I say we train cave bear to eat Cro-Magnon man.
I will slather myself in Cro-Magnon fat and enter cave bear den, so he learns to like taste of Cro-Magnon man.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:14:50am |
re: #59 SpaceJesus
behead those who insult lgf
Could it be! No! It can’t be. But is Space Jesus really LGF Rage Boy™?
//
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:14:58am |
re: #58 Walter L. Newton
I’ll be back… my humor meter is broken again.
Make sure to get the ‘straight man’ setting checked. That one seems to often be out of whack.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:15:15am |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:15:23am |
re: #54 Obdicut
Ah.
And Neanderthals were great at making jewelry. I just wasn’t aware they were that into partisan politics. Though I guess with their population under such pressure from Cro-Magnon man, it’s quite probable.
They also played blues (Mi).
[Link: www.greenwych.ca…]
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:16:34am |
re: #49 Obdicut
Yes. Yes. That is the creepy ad.
So freaking weird.
They look and stink just as bad as the plain ones when dumped on the parking lot.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:18:12am |
re: #65 Decatur Deb
Really cool, though I’m somewhat unconvinced.
It could be a coincidence. Though I really like to think of Neanderthals fluting softly beneath the moon.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:18:58am |
Crackpots.
The Islamic Center of Temecula, California has been seeking permits to build a mosque for over a year and a half and its proposal is scheduled to come before the Temecula planning commissioners on Aug. 18.
And so Tea Party activists are planning to protest outside of the Islamic Center’s existing facility and urging participants to bring dogs in order to intimidate worshipers because “Muslims hate dogs”:
An e-mail alert sent to area newspapers last week announced that a one-hour “singing – praying – patriotic rally” will begin at 12:30 p.m. July 30 at the Islamic Center’s existing facility. The advisory – sent by a leader of a conservative coalition that has been active with Republican and Tea Party functions – recommended participants “bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voices.”
“We will not be submissive,” the notice proclaimed. “Our voices are going to be heard!” The alert went on to question what its authors described as Islamic beliefs. It suggested that participants sing during the rally because Muslim “women are forbidden to sing.” It suggested that rally participants bring dogs because Muslims “hate dogs.”
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:20:21am |
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:21:06am |
re: #69 Gus 802
Let’s tell them Muslims hate to be given shiny new appliances and have their cars detailed.
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AG in Houston Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:21:48am |
This is getting ridonkulous.
I can assure you that if Charles is/was a Muslim, I would stand by what he is doing now.
AG in Houston
Super Zionist Jew
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:23:36am |
re: #67 Obdicut
Really cool, though I’m somewhat unconvinced.
It could be a coincidence. Though I really like to think of Neanderthals fluting softly beneath the moon.
The lonely dinosaur herders consoled themselves with “You’d Be So Nice To Come Cave To”.
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Locker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:24:04am |
Not only is he a sekret Muslim but he also spent the better part of the 90s cross dressing as Liza Minnelli in order to sell American dogs and cats to North Korea.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:25:15am |
re: #67 Obdicut
Really cool, though I’m somewhat unconvinced.
It could be a coincidence. Though I really like to think of Neanderthals fluting softly beneath the moon.
Is fluting just a nice way of saying passing gas?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:25:22am |
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:25:44am |
re: #74 Locker
Not only is he a sekret Muslim but he also spent the better part of the 90s cross dressing as Liza Minnelli in order to sell American dogs and cats to North Korea.
That’s probably one of those pop culture allusions going over my head, but it’s funny on its own.
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:25:45am |
does this mean we can get “secret muslim” t-shirts?
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:26:23am |
re: #77 HappyWarrior
Someone remind me again how the Tea Partiers aren’t assholes.
Let me get back to you on that.
//
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:27:08am |
re: #79 engineer dog
does this mean we can get “secret muslim” t-shirts?
Yes, but only because a “sekrit Muslim burkha” is kinda fail.
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:27:11am |
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:27:22am |
Yikes! They’ve compared Charles to Prince Charles of the UK, another alleged sekrit moslem, as well as an undoubted adulterer and all-round flake.
Their other slanders and calumnies were atrocious enough but this is going too far!
As with one of their noted heroes, have they no decency?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:27:29am |
re: #76 b_sharp
Is fluting just a nice way of saying passing gas?
Just what I’d expect from a One-note Wonder.
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boxhead Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:28:54am |
The Wingnut tactics are soooo high school. Don’t they have anyone intelligent left on their side? sheesh….
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:29:02am |
re: #69 Gus 802
Crackpots.
Muslims hate dogs? Sheesh, it’s getting hard to keep up with all the new rules. /
(BTW, a dog’s saliva is considered ritually impure, therefore they aren’t kept in the house and if they lick you after you’ve made your ablutions, then you have to redo them. So, uh yeah, okay, we hate dogs.)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:30:23am |
re: #79 engineer dog
does this mean we can get “secret muslim” t-shirts?
Sorry, you have to buy those out of your Zionist checks.
/And yet, someone somewhere WILL believe that we’re super-sekrit Zionist Muslims. As head-bending as that sounds.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:30:52am |
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:31:15am |
re: #84 Decatur Deb
Just what I’d expect from a One-note Wonder.
That’s my thinking and I’ll cry if I want to.
I have Blazing Saddles on the brain.
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Irenicum Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:32:07am |
Gee Charles, I wondered why I’ve been seeing you wear a burka lately.
///
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:32:31am |
re: #87 thedopefishlives
Sorry, you have to buy those out of your Zionist checks.
/And yet, someone somewhere WILL believe that we’re super-sekrit Zionist Muslims. As head-bending as that sounds.
If the intertubes are infinite, anything you can imagine will have a passionate blog and stalker-blog.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:32:36am |
re: #86 CuriousLurker
Muslims hate dogs? Sheesh, it’s getting hard to keep up with all the new rules. /
(BTW, a dog’s saliva is considered ritually impure, therefore they aren’t kept in the house and if they lick you after you’ve made your ablutions, then you have to redo them. So, uh yeah, okay, we hate dogs.)
How can anyone hate dogs?
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:32:56am |
re: #86 CuriousLurker
I bet you also hate it when you have dogs sicced on you. How unAmerican.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:34:23am |
re: #91 Decatur Deb
If the intertubes are infinite, anything you can imagine will have a passionate blog and stalker-blog.
It’s like Rule 34, but for blogs.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:34:37am |
re: #77 HappyWarrior
Someone remind me again how the Tea Partiers aren’t assholes.
Just checked the statutes…..Hmmm…..Nope…….drunkenness, inbreeding, and willfull ignorance are not regarded as extenuating circumstances, so the tea kool-aidists are indeed, and must remain, complete assholes.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:34:44am |
You know Thomas Jefferson was probably a secret Muslim too since unlike Obama he actually owned a Koran. And you know what they say about people who own Korans.
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McSpiff Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:35:01am |
re: #93 Obdicut
I bet you also hate it when you have dogs sicced on you. How unAmerican.
They just wanna cuddle! Image: 71296-050-6A212E1E.jpg
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:35:07am |
re: #92 b_sharp
How can anyone hate dogs?
Beats me. I guess I’d better warn all my Muslim friends who have dogs.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:36:14am |
re: #94 thedopefishlives
It’s like Rule 34, but for blogs.
Yeah the anti-Crush legislation kinda proved the rule.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:37:19am |
the only dog that is permissible to hate is the mini pincher
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:37:22am |
re: #98 CuriousLurker
Beats me. I guess I’d better warn all my Muslim friends who have dogs.
Dogs with low self-esteem and no bacon.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:37:29am |
re: #96 HappyWarrior
You know Thomas Jefferson was probably a secret Muslim too since unlike Obama he actually owned a Koran. And you know what they say about people who own Korans.
Thanks for reminding me. Just included that.
BREAKING DRUDGE REPORT: CHARLES JOHNSON, FOUNDING FATHERS SEEKRIT MUSLIMS!1! ExPoSeD
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:37:51am |
re: #86 CuriousLurker
Muslims hate dogs? Sheesh, it’s getting hard to keep up with all the new rules. /
(BTW, a dog’s saliva is considered ritually impure, therefore they aren’t kept in the house and if they lick you after you’ve made your ablutions, then you have to redo them. So, uh yeah, okay, we hate dogs.)
This is a cute story: Love My Dog, Love MeThe great Arab-Muslim-American puppy story.
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Jerk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:38:02am |
If that guy’s entry wasn’t on Wordpress, it would look exactly like a Geocities-esque conspiracy theory website.
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haikugoalie Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:39:34am |
Fools profess knowledge
Able to read others’ minds
Better than yourself
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:40:33am |
re: #103 Gus 802
This reminds me of the sausage roasts the right-wingers in Europe have to get at both Jews and Muslims.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:40:45am |
re: #103 Gus 802
This is a cute story: Love My Dog, Love MeThe great Arab-Muslim-American puppy story.
Great story—thanks. ;o)
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:43:02am |
Welcome new lizard
Constrained to post LGF
Abacus-ready.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:43:16am |
re: #106 Obdicut
This reminds me of the sausage roasts the right-wingers in Europe have to get at both Jews and Muslims.
There you go. Good example. Some rather creepy things going on across the land.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:43:29am |
re: #102 iceweasel
Thanks for reminding me. Just included that.
BREAKING DRUDGE REPORT: CHARLES JOHNSON, FOUNDING FATHERS SEEKRIT MUSLIMS!1! ExPoSeD
Haha brilliant. I updinged ya for that. Also worth noting that Jefferson was a huge Francophile.
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Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:44:50am |
OT
I read that there is another well sending oil into shore waters of the Gulf.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38429966nsus.news-enviroment
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wrenchwench Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:45:58am |
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Irenicum Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:46:01am |
re: #69 Gus 802
I see they’re getting in touch with their inner 1960’s Selma, Alabama.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:46:06am |
re: #109 Gus 802
There you go. Good example. Some rather creepy things going on across the land.
It’s blind revanchism.
I really think Muslims are just the convenient target at the moment. This isn’t specifically anti-Muslim; it’s just defining a certain group as “Us” and all other groups as “them”.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:46:37am |
re: #110 HappyWarrior
Haha brilliant. I updinged ya for that. Also worth noting that Jefferson was a huge Francophile.
There’s enough material for a whole series of Breitbart-drudge style ‘exposes’ on every one of the founding fathers, I’d bet. You’re right though— Jefferson alone would induce brain embolisms in them today. Let’s not even talk about Beck’s love for Tom Paine. Ha!
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:48:27am |
re: #105 haikugoalie
Fools profess knowledge
Able to read others’ minds
Better than yourself
Welcome new hatchling, and kudos on opening your LGF comment history with a haiku.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:48:42am |
re: #86 CuriousLurker
Muslims hate dogs? Sheesh, it’s getting hard to keep up with all the new rules. /
(BTW, a dog’s saliva is considered ritually impure, therefore they aren’t kept in the house and if they lick you after you’ve made your ablutions, then you have to redo them. So, uh yeah, okay, we hate dogs.)
but do you feed them valium or not?
//
(see Killgore’s recent cruel, cruel endeavors;)
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:48:43am |
re: #115 iceweasel
There’s enough material for a whole series of Breitbart-drudge style ‘exposes’ on every one of the founding fathers, I’d bet. You’re right though— Jefferson alone would induce brain embolisms in them today. Let’s not even talk about Beck’s love for Tom Paine. Ha!
Yes, but wouldn’t the possibility of having a brain embolism require that they have a brain in the first place?
//
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:48:54am |
re: #115 iceweasel
Let’s not even talk about Beck’s love for Tom Paine. Ha!
Paine would kick Beck’s ass so hard that Beck would travel back in time so he could see first hand just how wrong he is about the founding fathers.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:49:05am |
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:49:34am |
re: #114 Obdicut
It’s blind revanchism.
I really think Muslims are just the convenient target at the moment. This isn’t specifically anti-Muslim; it’s just defining a certain group as “Us” and all other groups as “them”.
Eh, there is a lot of hate buried in the fact that “muslim” is now a slur used to smear others…
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:50:12am |
re: #121 ShaunP
Eh, there is a lot of hate buried in the fact that “muslim” is now a slur used to smear others…
THAT
is an excellent point.
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iceweasel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:50:58am |
re: #118 Gus 802
Yes, but wouldn’t the possibility of having a brain embolism require that they have a brain in the first place?
//
I don’t know the technical terms for rot in cabbageheads. :(
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:51:05am |
I think they’ll just find a new scapegoat after Muslims. Illegal immigrants and in particular Hispanics seem to have emerged as another. Don’t forget that most Latinos are Catholics and there still exists within some hardcore Protestant mindsets a rabid hatred of Catholics.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:51:08am |
re: #115 iceweasel
There’s enough material for a whole series of Breitbart-drudge style ‘exposes’ on every one of the founding fathers…
This stuff gives the graphic designer in me me soooooo many creative ideas.
Speaking of material, somebody (can’t remember who) posted this quote the other day. It’s sooooo true:
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
—Cardinal Richelieu
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:51:12am |
re: #105 haikugoalie
Fools profess knowledge
Able to read others’ minds
Better than yourself
Hmm, better yet…
Welcome new hatchling.
First comment, haiku format.
Gain instant upding!
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Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:52:09am |
Sorry for my bad typing. I am just too old for this new internet thing.
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Gus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:52:12am |
re: #123 iceweasel
I don’t know the technical terms for rot in cabbageheads. :(
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:52:47am |
re: #121 ShaunP
What I mean is that we’ve seen a lot of anti-Hispanic, anti-Black, and anti-Jew shit bubbling up to the surface at the same time. I think a certain segment of society is afraid that the minorities are going to be taking their revenge, and that Obama elected was the catalyst for this fear.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:53:01am |
re: #117 Aceofwhat?
but do you feed them valium or not?
//
(see Killgore’s recent cruel, cruel endeavors;)
Ah, yea, the kitteh with anger issues. We only give dogs Valium when we know they’ll be exposed to wingnuts. /
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:55:53am |
Well considering when you stood up for Jews they called you a Jew all I can say is, well done.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:58:47am |
Something for Ace, CCA, and the other Floridian Lizards to enjoy…taking the gloves off in your primaries down there, I see. :)
[Link: politicalwire.com…]
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engineer cat Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:00:35pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:01:16pm |
re: #115 iceweasel
Next on Breitbart - a word from Sally Hemmings’ slaveowning lover’s wife. /
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:01:34pm |
re: #134 darthstar
Wow.
The Pensacola News Journal reports the son of a Florida state House candidate “hid an infrared video camera, often used by hunters to track game” to monitor some his father’s campaign signs at a local intersection. Minutes later, his father’s opponent and wife are caught on video removing the signs.
Why do these people do it themselves? They need Overzealous Staffers to blame shit like this on.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:01:56pm |
re: #105 haikugoalie
Fools profess knowledge
Able to read others’ minds
Better than yourself
Like summer raindrops,
Welcome in the heat of day,
Haikugoalie here.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:04:14pm |
An “update” at the link (don’t know how long it’s been there):
Update : By being purposely ignorant and considering the Islamist threat no different than all other non-threatening Religions, he is being a useful-idiot and helping the creeping Caliphate. But I think Cj goes father here. Warning paste the link into your browser at your own risk [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
And he links to the story about TN Lt. Governor Ramsey’s unwillingness to apply the religious freedoms of this country to Muslims.
I was thinking about this situation earlier today, in terms of the Mosque in NYC. It seems to me that some people have confused two issues:
1. Freedom of religion, incuding of course, the freedom to practice your faith and support a house of worship of your choice.
2. Terrorism, and the threat of terrorist activity.
I’ve seen a number of comments in these threads, people questioning the financing of this project, and the imam’s intentions. Some of the commenters may have some legitimate concerns.
However, we cannot, should not, want to deny any faith the right to build a house of worship and/or ancillary facilities.
I have faith that those government agencies and organizations that are tasked with our safety, have and will continue to do a good job monitoring what they need to be monitoring and taking action when necessary.
The proper thing to do in this case is accept the building of this facility, welcome it as we would welcome any other.
And trust that our government will monitor what needs to be monitored, ignore what does NOT need to be monitored, and will continue to protect us if the need is there.
gotta run, wish I could stay, but this was on my mind and seemed as good a place as any to put in my .02.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:06:04pm |
re: #138 darthstar
Differences in
Syllable construction means
No English Haiku.
Or rather, we could
Say that Haiku are not
The same as 俳句.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:08:29pm |
Most of these comments - and Charles’ post - seem to me to miss the point. Wherever there is violent conflict the strongest human emotional forces are called into play and become the over-riding forces guiding behavior. The internet is at a disadvantage to engage this reality because communication must go both ways through the intellectual engine of reading writing and word-meanings - stripped of nuance and feeling - a cumbersome and error ridden channel at best.
It’s good to occasionally remember that the emotional forces underlying the conflict (and these discussions) are far beyond a human ability to comprehend without a lot of careful effort. Too much clever word-play becomes a game of its own - played for separate reasons of public wins and losses for one person or one side as opposed to another. It may be fun as a distraction but it’s good not to confuse this with the reality of the conflict - which is an emotional reality following ancient tracks of human nature. But only through that scratched and dirty window can any human violence and conflict be understood.
The great suffering and unhappiness this conflict causes cries out for serious problem-solving engagement but doing so is infinitely more difficult than the casual fun of quips and insults. And that’s the downside.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:11:06pm |
re: #134 darthstar
Something for Ace, CCA, and the other Floridian Lizards to enjoy…taking the gloves off in your primaries down there, I see. :)
[Link: politicalwire.com…]
awesome. thanks - i hadn’t seen that yet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:11:07pm |
re: #7 Obdicut
By this standard, most US Jews are secret Muslims.
I did read the other day an incoherent screed accusing Jews of working for the Muslims, already betraying the West to try to get better treatment under the coming caliphate.
With the rising of the conspiracy theories and antisemitism on the right wing, I can see that becoming a standard new conspiracy.
Oh, that one is a classic that goes back to the eighth century.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:11:15pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
Differences in
Syllable construction means
No English Haiku.Or rather, we could
Say that Haiku are not
The same as 俳句.
Damn…and I even
included seasonal reference
I suck at haiku
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Achilles Tang Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:12:14pm |
re: #139 reine.de.tout
I’ve seen a number of comments in these threads, people questioning the financing of this project, and the imam’s intentions. Some of the commenters may have some legitimate concerns.
I may have been one of those commentators but, for what it’s worth, someone like CL would have been the ideal candidate to lead such a facility.
Unfortunately I suspect that he would lose much of the financing, wherever it comes from. Nuff said.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:13:57pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
Miss the point of what?
S/He doesn’t think we should be using logic in written language to address emotional issues.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:15:12pm |
re: #45 Walter L. Newton
I like this look…
I quote a former student, then aged ten: “The new pope looks kind of scary.”
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:15:37pm |
re: #142 Obdicut
Miss the point of what?
It’s hard to describe but I’d say the point is to understand the true nature of the conflict so that some solution or direction to one might be identified.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:15:42pm |
You are probably one of those bleeding hearts that believes the prime directive not to interfere with sentient species is a good idea.
Ohhh let’s let the piso electronic intelligence live. Ohhh don’t step on that intelligent slime mold. Ohhh keep the Romulans from frying the eight armed simian primitives so they can discover fire on their own and join us in the stars in another 100000 years.
Damn Starfleet wussies. /
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:16:13pm |
re: #57 stevemcg
Not all of them were that partisan. Supposedly there was some mixing of the races. Ewww.
Why eeew?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:18:05pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:18:50pm |
re: #145 darthstar
Damn…and I even
included seasonal reference
I suck at haiku
You’re better than me. I won’t even attempt it.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:19:16pm |
re: #147 b_sharp
S/He doesn’t think we should be using logic in written language to address emotional issues.
Not at all. I (he) just thinks it won’t be done successfully through insults and clever quips. I don’t have a solid opinion on the mosque but I can see some justification for concern. And I don’t see any positive result coming from dismissing all those concerns as “Islamaphobia”.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:19:30pm |
re: #149 5string
It’s hard to describe but I’d say the point is to understand the true nature of the conflict so that some solution or direction to one might be identified.
even if that is the proper way to summarize the overarching ‘point’, it does not preclude us from accurately observing, as a minor corollary, that anyone who thinks Charles is a seekrit muslim is crazier than a fish with boobies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:20:38pm |
re: #86 CuriousLurker
Muslims hate dogs? Sheesh, it’s getting hard to keep up with all the new rules. /
(BTW, a dog’s saliva is considered ritually impure, therefore they aren’t kept in the house and if they lick you after you’ve made your ablutions, then you have to redo them. So, uh yeah, okay, we hate dogs.)
I think it’s a Middle Eastern thing, really. One of my mom’s friends bought a dog for her granddaughters, but it has to live at her house, because their father is a Persian Jew (raised in the States), and the thought of having a dog living in the house is just too disgusting.
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allegro Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:20:40pm |
re: #155 5string
I don’t have a solid opinion on the mosque but I can see some justification for concern.
Perhaps it you share those justifications, we’d understand your point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:21:37pm |
re: #93 Obdicut
I bet you also hate it when you have dogs sicced on you. How unAmerican.
Yeah, I have to say that ‘bring your dogs’ brings up some bad shit in my mind. And I love dogs, to the point of being ridiculous with it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:22:06pm |
re: #96 HappyWarrior
You know Thomas Jefferson was probably a secret Muslim too since unlike Obama he actually owned a Koran. And you know what they say about people who own Korans.
I know what they said about Keith Ellison when he swore in on Jefferson’s Koran.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:23:23pm |
re: #97 McSpiff
They just wanna cuddle! Image: 71296-050-6A212E1E.jpg
Once again, I quote from the Dave Chappelle Show: “Yeah, that there is a discrepancy. You refer to that as ‘classic civil rights footage’. I think of it as footage of me getting bit on my ass by a German Shepherd.”
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:23:27pm |
re: #155 5string
Not at all. I (he) just thinks it won’t be done successfully through insults and clever quips. I don’t have a solid opinion on the mosque but I can see some justification for concern. And I don’t see any positive result coming from dismissing all those concerns as “Islamaphobia”.
Find us someone to discuss it with on a rational non-emotional level and the quips will turn into solid argument.
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Irenicum Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:23:53pm |
re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist
What? That wasn’t Obama? You mean all those email forwards aren’t true?
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allegro Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:23:56pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it’s a Middle Eastern thing, really. One of my mom’s friends bought a dog for her granddaughters, but it has to live at her house, because their father is a Persian Jew (raised in the States), and the thought of having a dog living in the house is just too disgusting.
Not just a Middle Eastern thing. My mom was a farm girl who was raised to believe that animals belonged outside and never, ever in the house. They were dirty, they shed, they’d bring in fleas, etc. My animal-loving dad and I eventually ruled - well that and a pet cat who adored my mom and won her over completely - and pets did come into the house, but it was a long haul to convince her.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:26:07pm |
OT:
Tom Tancredo looking at running on the American Constitution Party line in November rather than the GOP.
Tancredo issued a terse, one-sentence statement saying he intends to register his new party affiliation with the secretary of state then seek the nomination for governor.He believes Republican candidates Scott McInnis and Dan Maes have no chance of beating Democrat John Hickenlooper in November.
Tancredo previously gave Maes and McInnis a deadline of noon Monday to agree to step down if they are trailing in the polls after the Aug. 10 primary. Both men refused.
Tancredo’s chances of winning aren’t any better than the GOP candidates Maes and McInnis. And neither comes with the baggage of Tancredo.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:26:37pm |
re: #136 lawhawk
Next on Breitbart - a word from Sally Hemmings’ slaveowning lover’s wife. /
I believe Martha was dead by the time Jefferson and Sally were involved. (Sally was Martha’s half sister. I suspect that Jefferson was one of those guys who always falls in love with the same woman.)
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:27:41pm |
re: #164 allegro
Not just a Middle Eastern thing. My mom was a farm girl who was raised to believe that animals belonged outside and never, ever in the house. They were dirty, they shed, they’d bring in fleas, etc. My animal-loving dad and I eventually ruled - well that and a pet cat who adored my mom and won her over completely - and pets did come into the house, but it was a long haul to convince her.
My parents never let us keep dogs in the house either, and I had dogs the whole time I was growing up. They were rarely allowed to come in, and even then only for a couple of minutes.
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:29:12pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
I believe Martha was dead by the time Jefferson and Sally were involved. (Sally was Martha’s half sister. I suspect that Jefferson was one of those guys who always falls in love with the same woman.)
Idea for historical romance movie: When Tommy Met Sally.
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darthstar Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:29:38pm |
re: #165 lawhawk
OT:
Tom Tancredo looking at running on the American Constitution Party line in November rather than the GOP.Tancredo’s chances of winning aren’t any better than the GOP candidates Maes and McInnis. And neither comes with the baggage of Tancredo.
I loved what the head of the CO GOP said about him, “What’s his platform going to be? Impeach president Obama and bomb Mecca?”
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:30:07pm |
re: #167 CuriousLurker
My parents never let us keep dogs in the house either, and I had dogs the whole time I was growing up. They were rarely allowed to come in, and even then only for a couple of minutes.
My parents’ dog was allowed to sleep on my parents’ bed, with his head on my mom’s pillow, so you can see where I’m coming from…
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:30:23pm |
re: #169 darthstar
I loved what the head of the CO GOP said about him, “What’s his platform going to be? Impeach president Obama and bomb Mecca?”
Or bomb Obama and impeach Mecca. Jane, Joan, whatever.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:30:34pm |
re: #167 CuriousLurker
My parents never let us keep dogs in the house either, and I had dogs the whole time I was growing up. They were rarely allowed to come in, and even then only for a couple of minutes.
Dogs, cats, birds, gerbils, neighbour’s kids, hamsters, snakes, newts, even a runt piglet - in the house, outside, wherever.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:31:13pm |
re: #168 garhighway
Idea for historical romance movie: When Tommy Met Sally.
Working title: Guess who’s coming to the BBQ?
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:31:19pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
And that would stop Breitbart how? He’d use video from a seance if it furthered his agenda.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:31:34pm |
re: #168 garhighway
Idea for historical romance movie: When Tommy Met Sally.
Aiyah.
One episode I wish they’d kept in the John Adams miniseries is that apparently Sally Hemings and one of Jefferson’s daughters stayed with the Adamses in London for a time, on their way to meet Jefferson in France.
Abigail was horrified. She didn’t think Sally was old enough to be taking care of a little girl all the way across the Atlantic, and she’d never had a slave in her house before.
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RogueOne Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:31:42pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it’s a Middle Eastern thing, really. One of my mom’s friends bought a dog for her granddaughters, but it has to live at her house, because their father is a Persian Jew (raised in the States), and the thought of having a dog living in the house is just too disgusting.
Disliking of dogs is pretty rampant in Islamic countries but ownership isn’t totally unheard of. I can understand how people think it’s illegal under muslim law to own dogs especially when Muslim cabbies throw a fit about having to transport seeing eye dogs. I equate it to the whole “you can’t take pictures of people” under islamic law. It isn’t entirely true but there are muslims who believe it to be fact. I have a hundred pics (slight exaggeration) my dad took during a trip to SA where all the subjects were giving him the evil eye. He didn’t understand why everyone was so irritated with him. He never did get why so many people wouldn’t smile for the pics. He just figured he was catching everyone on a bad day.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:31:44pm |
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:32:11pm |
re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist
My parents’ dog was allowed to sleep on my parents’ bed, with his head on my mom’s pillow, so you can see where I’m coming from…
A dog and two cats spent their nights on our bed. I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:33:14pm |
re: #177 CuriousLurker
5string’s views on Islam & Muslims were made pretty clear on my taqiyyah page.
Some supplemental reading on 5string’s view of Islam in the comments here too:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:33:34pm |
re: #178 b_sharp
A dog and two cats spent their nights on our bed. I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
I only kick them off when they start to snore.
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RogueOne Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:35:11pm |
re: #177 CuriousLurker
5string’s views on Islam & Muslims were made pretty clear on my taqiyyah page.
We disagree but I appreciated your response. I though I had that bookmarked but I couldn’t find it. Thanks for posting the link again.
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Randall Gross Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:35:11pm |
Every single day I wake up and think “It can’t possibly get any crazier on the right…”
and then….
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:36:08pm |
On the Islam and the West recurring topic…
I think we should encourage integrating Mosques into any American neighborhood that will welcome them. Help them build, teach and enjoy our communities. Its hard to harbor hate and radicals against those who helped you build your house of worship.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:36:29pm |
re: #149 5string
It’s hard to describe but I’d say the point is to understand the true nature of the conflict so that some solution or direction to one might be identified.
What conflict?
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:37:12pm |
re: #121 ShaunP
hatere: #121 ShaunP
Eh, there is a lot of hate buried in the fact that “muslim” is now a slur used to smear others…
Well there is the issue that most terrorists these days have a first last or middle name of Mohammed. I DO think we should be looking at who is funding the mosque, just as we should at all funding of all religious edifices, to make it isn’t going to be hotbed of radicalism. If it is being funded by the Saudi based wahabists and will teaching and promoting hatred of Americans and praising the 19 who brought down the towers it should not be built. I DO NOT believe we need to shut down this edifice simply because it is Muslim, which is why I think the people going after it are nuts, because that is why. I DO Support the regular ordinary Muslim’s right to build their mosque/community center.
(And before anyone calls me a an Islamophobe, I am old enough to have called for careful consideration of an Irish community centre that some people felt might be associated with the IRA in the late 1960s and a Sikh centre for its connection to the radical Sikh terrorists in the 80s.)
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:37:54pm |
re: #181 RogueOne
We disagree but I appreciated your response. I though I had that bookmarked but I couldn’t find it. Thanks for posting the link again.
You’re welcome. And I appreciated your civility despite our disagreement.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:37:58pm |
re: #181 RogueOne
By the way, in answer to your question I didn’t answer on that page:
So would you say the same about a catholic bishop in NE when comparing to the views in Rome?
Yes. American Catholics deviate widely from the doctrine in Rome.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:38:02pm |
re: #165 lawhawk
OT:
Tom Tancredo looking at running on the American Constitution Party line in November rather than the GOP.Tancredo’s chances of winning aren’t any better than the GOP candidates Maes and McInnis. And neither comes with the baggage of Tancredo.
A poll out this afternoono (can’t find yet, was just announced on KOA radio)… Maes hold a healthy lead over both McInnis and Tancredo. And this poll was basically in reference to the recent dust ups and Trancredo’s entry into the race.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:38:50pm |
re: #185 Judith
If a Sufi community center is being funded by Wahabists, it’d signify a rather radical change for the better in Wahabism.
I doubt it.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:39:28pm |
re: #141 5string
I know, I know. It’s an epic clash of civilizations, a battle between the good European culture and the evil Moslems.
Been there, bought the Happy Meal, threw it out.
Oops, there I go with the quips and insults again. I’m incorrigible.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:39:48pm |
re: #187 Obdicut
By the way, in answer to your question I didn’t answer on that page:
Yes. American Catholics deviate widely from the doctrine in Rome.
…and let me tell you, the Pope is getting pretty tired of those uppity Yanks! /
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:40:17pm |
re: #188 Walter L. Newton
I hadn’t seen that poll. Has there been any recent polling on Hickenlooper versus Maes and/or Tancredo?
And should Tancredo decide to go 3d party route, does he realize he’d possibly be giving Hickenlooper the win by splitting the vote?
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:40:22pm |
re: #190 Charles
I know, I know. It’s an epic clash of civilizations, a battle between the good European culture and the evil Moslems.
Been there, bought the Happy Meal, threw it out.
Oops, there I go with the quips and insults again. I’m incorrigible.
Hey Charles, any way that you can update settings so that comments in the pages are viewable when you click on someone’s profile?
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:41:34pm |
So, what if Charles were a Muslim? Who the fuck cares? Why is it even an issue to anyone?
The mere fact that the meme “secret Muslim” even exists is proof of the insane turn we as a nation took subsequent to 9/11. It implies that there is something dirty and secretive about Islam.
Maybe he’s a secret Jew?
Think about that for a second and realize how fucking offensive the mere concept of a “secret Muslim” is.
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RogueOne Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:41:44pm |
re: #187 Obdicut
By the way, in answer to your question I didn’t answer on that page:
Yes. American Catholics deviate widely from the doctrine in Rome.
and I would argue what some Cardinal in NE thinks about the catholic position on birth control has zero bearing. Rome sets the policy, not NE.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:43:24pm |
re: #194 Fozzie Bear
It implies that there is something dirty and secretive about Islam.
Taqiyya… I just met a girl names Taqiiiyyaaa…
/
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:43:25pm |
re: #158 allegro
Perhaps it you share those justifications, we’d understand your point.
OK - I’ll give it a shot. I’ve been seriously trying to understand Islam as a religion since 9/11. What I see is not a religion in the sense that most Westerners see religion - but a totalitarian philosophy molded around the psychological needs of desert Beduoin tribes - although somewhat evolved into a more modern template by foreign cultural influences.
I have yet to see some dominant strain of ethics other than good behavior is that which supports Islam and bad is that that hurts Islam. You can substitute tribe for Islam and then almost anything you can say about tribalism would apply equally. I see little difference.
The problem with tribalism is the view that non-members are by definition enemies - to be either killed or made into assets such as slaves - although occasional and temporary alliances are OK if they serve the tribe’s purpose .
I see little or no desire by Islam’s spokespeople to become part of the West as far as our values such as a preference against war and violence, to do unto others. to live and let live, to respect others, defend the weak, etc. I’m biased in favor of these enlightenment values and would like to live in a society that holds them dear.
I do read a lot of Islamic rhetoric and view plenty of Islamic videos about restoring the umma to its past glory by conquering the West through jihad - spiritual or otherwise - destroying Israel and filthy Jews who live there on Muslim land, etc. I’m not sure a religion that wants to rule the world rather than share it - using violence if necessary - and led on by its own scripture is something to be encouraged.
I’m not certain of this conclusion and I could be wrong but I have not seen much convincing argument against this view and a lot for it. You could say I’m worried that it may be correct.
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RogueOne Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:43:29pm |
Have to run, moms B-day party tonight and my sisters are coming up from Cincy. Need to run and get cleaned up. This whole “going galt” thing has turned out to be more work, and dirt, on me than I originally planned.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:43:33pm |
re: #195 RogueOne
and I would argue what some Cardinal in NE thinks about the catholic position on birth control has zero bearing. Rome sets the policy, not NE.
Zero bearing on doctrine or actual Catholic behavior?
I’m much more concerned about actual behavior than doctrine.
Rome sets the policy. Catholics set what actually happens.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:43:51pm |
Charles claims to be a guitarist and there is even video evidence that he plays, but he’s always posting Keith Jarrett videos.
Charles is a sekrit keyboardist!!!
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:44:54pm |
how long until the first right wing blog accuses charles of being barack obama
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:44:57pm |
re: #197 5string
You might want to pick up a Bernard Lewis book or 10.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:45:33pm |
re: #197 5string
Bedouins? Bedouins?
You’re an ignoramus.
Bedouins were some of the last of the groups in the ME to convert to Islam.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:45:40pm |
re: #192 lawhawk
I hadn’t seen that poll. Has there been any recent polling on Hickenlooper versus Maes and/or Tancredo?
And should Tancredo decide to go 3d party route, does he realize he’d possibly be giving Hickenlooper the win by splitting the vote?
There is nothing recent (as in the last two days) on Hickenlooper vs the others… and I am trying to find a printed source of that radio news story I just heard, but I can’t find anything. It was just between those three… and Maes had like 37 percent, McInnis was at 8 percent and Tancredo at 5 percent… I’m not sure what the rest of the breakdown was… seems to be a large amount missing there… maybe this was among unaffiliated.
Even without polls, general talk on the street and punditry suggests that right now Maes, being the least political candidate in the bunch, would be favored.
If there is any place with a strong “get rid of career politicians” undercurrent, it’s Colorado.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:45:46pm |
*sigh* I’ve met some Muslims here in NY. They’re nothing like Bedouin Tribesmen wandering the desert. People are different. Some take their religion to more of an extreme than others. That’s the way it is.
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:45:49pm |
re: #197 5string
re: #197 5string
OK - I’ll give it a shot. I’ve been seriously trying to understand Islam as a religion since 9/11.
I do read a lot of Islamic rhetoric and view plenty of Islamic videos about restoring the umma to its past glory by conquering the West through jihad - spiritual or otherwise - destroying Israel and filthy Jews who live there on Muslim land, etc. I’m not sure a religion that wants to rule the world rather than share it - using violence if necessary - and led on by its own scripture is something to be encouraged.I’m not certain of this conclusion and I could be wrong but I have not seen much convincing argument against this view and a lot for it. You could say I’m worried that it may be correct.
My reaction is you haven’t met enough regular working day Muslims to whom that would not apply and, yes, that is indeed something to worry about.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:46:27pm |
re: #192 lawhawk
I hadn’t seen that poll. Has there been any recent polling on Hickenlooper versus Maes and/or Tancredo?
And should Tancredo decide to go 3d party route, does he realize he’d possibly be giving Hickenlooper the win by splitting the vote?
Tancredo has gone the 3rd party route, as of noon yesterday.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:46:44pm |
re: #206 JasonA
The exact same libel is used against Judaism; that it’s a religion formed by a nomadic, oppressed tribe that is incapable of thinking other than in ‘us-them’ terms.
Almost every attack I see against Muslims is one that was used against Jews earlier.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:46:51pm |
re: #204 Obdicut
Bedouins? Bedouins?
You’re an ignoramus.
Bedouins were some of the last of the groups in the ME to convert to Islam.
The Beduin have always been late adapters. I understand some of them still have CD players.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:47:00pm |
re: #197 5string
congrats, you’ve discovered what is pretty much wrong with all religions
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:47:29pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
The Beduin have always been late adapters. I understand some of them still have CD players.
Worse: 8 track.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:47:42pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
The Beduin have always been late adapters. I understand some of them still have CD players.
8-track Bedouin would be a great name for a band.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:48:04pm |
re: #202 lawhawk
You might want to pick up a Bernard Lewis book or 10.
Have some on my shelf. Thanks.
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allegro Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:48:06pm |
re: #178 b_sharp
A dog and two cats spent their nights on our bed. I wouldn’t have had it any other way.
My mom never did allow pets on our beds, making me swear that when I was an adult and in my own home, there would be critters galore and all of them welcome anywhere in the house. Grew up to honor that. My hubby and I slept with 4 dogs in our bed, along with the occasional ferret, all of us in a big, happy pile. I don’t just allow dogs on my bed, I insist on it. :D
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:49:02pm |
re: #197 5string
I see little or no desire by Islam’s spokespeople to become part of the West as far as our values such as a preference against war and violence, to do unto others. to live and let live, to respect others, defend the weak, etc. I’m biased in favor of these enlightenment values and would like to live in a society that holds them dear.
Unfortunately the West has sullied our own reputation by filling the airwaves with violent smut out the wazoo. Ask any foreign national familiar with our culture stands for and you are more likely to hear about sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll than you are the enlightenment.
Not that this excuses radicalsim but it sure doesn’t help the moderates align or identify with us.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:49:13pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:49:37pm |
re: #215 allegro
when i visit my parents, i am just a pair of eyes underneath a pile of miniature dachshunds when i go to bed.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:50:30pm |
re: #218 SpaceJesus
when i visit my parents, i am just a pair of eyes underneath a pile of miniature dachshunds when i go to bed.
Dogs do go to space-heaven?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:50:33pm |
re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist
The Beduin have always been late adapters. I understand some of them still have CD players.
Guess that means I’m part Bedouin since my dad only recently got his first iPod and email address. Joking obviously heh but my dad really is a late bloomer with technology.
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ShaunP Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:50:37pm |
re: #213 Obdicut
8-track Bedouin would be a great name for a band.
Bedouin soundclash is a great band…
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:50:45pm |
re: #211 SpaceJesus
congrats, you’ve discovered what is pretty much wrong with all religions
Wildly OT to SJ: I went back to read the original Van Jones thread from 2009. (Charles linked to it in his piece yesterday.) I was very, very impressed at how well you held up under the beating you took for espousing some fairly mainstream thoughts. One of your posts hit -20 on the karma charts, and a bunch were in the minus teens. And you got almost no help.
Well done.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:50:56pm |
OT—The post office has a Sunday Funnies set of stamps.
Trying to figure out how to get the Calvin and Hobbes without buying the others.
If you don’t like Calvin, there is something wrong with you.
Or your name is Susie.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:51:19pm |
re: #215 allegro
My mom never did allow pets on our beds, making me swear that when I was an adult and in my own home, there would be critters galore and all of them welcome anywhere in the house. Grew up to honor that. My hubby and I slept with 4 dogs in our bed, along with the occasional ferret, all of us in a big, happy pile. I don’t just allow dogs on my bed, I insist on it. :D
I cannot imagine being in a pile with a ferret and a dog would ever be a happy occasion. Must have been some patient critters.
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Judith Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:51:24pm |
re: #209 Obdicut
True, except I can’t think of a branch of Judaism that calls for world domination, destruction of the USA and forced conversions of everyone and glorifies death by suicide bombing as a strait path to heaven. Am I wrong there?
Muslims constitute very broad swatch of a whole lot of people on a huge spectrum. Thee is a segment we need to worry about. There is also a segment of Judaism we need to worry about but in places like Israel and American those Jews go to jail and they don’t have anywhere that considers them heros. With those Muslims we need ot be worrying about, well they control a whole country that gets billions in oil money every year.
I personally will stop worry about that radical part of Islam when anyone can go to Mecca and Jews can build a synagogue in Riyahd. Nonetheless, I don’t support preventing the building of the mosque/community centre in New York simply because it is Muslim..
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:51:45pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it’s a Middle Eastern thing, really. One of my mom’s friends bought a dog for her granddaughters, but it has to live at her house, because their father is a Persian Jew (raised in the States), and the thought of having a dog living in the house is just too disgusting.
I would like to have a cat, but Zedushka is a species-ist and he said that if I want a pet, I should adopt a human baby.
That would go over real well at Social Services: “Why do you want to foster an infant?” “Well I’d really prefer a cat, but my husband thinks we should only have a human being.”
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:51:58pm |
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:52:46pm |
الموت للعصير الصهيو ني الذي إهانة ليتل غرين القدم.
/
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:52:49pm |
re: #215 allegro
My mom never did allow pets on our beds, making me swear that when I was an adult and in my own home, there would be critters galore and all of them welcome anywhere in the house. Grew up to honor that. My hubby and I slept with 4 dogs in our bed, along with the occasional ferret, all of us in a big, happy pile. I don’t just allow dogs on my bed, I insist on it. :D
I love animal people. :)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:52:57pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:53:32pm |
re: #222 garhighway
ha, i kinda miss all those crazies who used to post here. it was entertaining
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:53:38pm |
re: #230 ArchangelMichael
الموت للعصير الصهيو ني الذي إهانة ليتل غرين القدم.
/
We don’t speak Mexican ‘round here.
/
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:54:10pm |
re: #216 DaddyG
Unfortunately the West has sullied our own reputation by filling the airwaves with violent smut out the wazoo. Ask any foreign national familiar with our culture stands for and you are more likely to hear about sex, drugs and rock ‘n roll than you are the enlightenment.
Not that this excuses radicalsim but it sure doesn’t help the moderates align or identify with us.
I’m not sure I’d call interests - values. But I think sexual interests are pretty much universal. You have heard how Saudi royalty entertain themselves in Qatar? Western sexual adverts and such are the result of free speech. We are a horny lot generally. Evolution at work - we wouldn’t be here - at least as we are - otherwise.
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Stonemason Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:54:10pm |
re: #197 5string
It is not the religion that is the problem, it is the fringe elements of the religion that can’t seem to work and play well with others. I’d mention that other religions have had the same problem (like so many others have) but that would be Tu Quoque…right?
Now that I’m done pointing out a little hypocrisy, my original statement still stands, there is no problem with the religion of Islam, or any other religion for that matter. The problem is when sects of religions think they have the ‘only’ true path and that the rest of us either need to follow or die.
5string: learn about the 999,000,000 Muslims that want to simply live a good life, like the majority of the rest of us do.
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allegro Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:55:26pm |
re: #224 DaddyG
I cannot imagine being in a pile with a ferret and a dog would ever be a happy occasion. Must have been some patient critters.
A “mom” who is an excellent trainer. ;)
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:57:51pm |
re: #236 Stonemason
It is not the religion that is the problem, it is the fringe elements of the religion that can’t seem to work and play well with others. I’d mention that other religions have had the same problem (like so many others have) but that would be Tu Quoque…right?
Now that I’m done pointing out a little hypocrisy, my original statement still stands, there is no problem with the religion of Islam, or any other religion for that matter. The problem is when sects of religions think they have the ‘only’ true path and that the rest of us either need to follow or die.
5string: learn about the 999,000,000 Muslims that want to simply live a good life, like the majority of the rest of us do.
Well, there is a major fallacy that ALL RELIGIONS engage in, but it’s fine as long as those faiths keep it all with in the bounds of their personal life and beliefs.
It’s when certain members or sects of those religions either want to radicalize the religion or politicize their religion that it become all our problems.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:58:44pm |
re: #225 Judith
True, except I can’t think of a branch of Judaism that calls for world domination, destruction of the USA and forced conversions of everyone and glorifies death by suicide bombing as a strait path to heaven. Am I wrong there?
Um, I haven’t heard anyone at the JCC talking about that, no. There are branches of Christianity that hold that view.
Muslims constitute very broad swatch of a whole lot of people on a huge spectrum. Thee is a segment we need to worry about. There is also a segment of Judaism we need to worry about but in places like Israel and American those Jews go to jail and they don’t have anywhere that considers them heros. With those Muslims we need ot be worrying about, well they control a whole country that gets billions in oil money every year.
Maybe we should call them Wahabists, instead of just “muslims”, to make it clear we’re talking about a subset.
And you’re entirely right that it’s the oil money that empowers Saudi Arabia— who, I would note, are our allies, literally. We have a diplomatic alliance with them.
I personally will stop worry about that radical part of Islam when anyone can go to Mecca and Jews can build a synagogue in Riyahd. Nonetheless, I don’t support preventing the building of the mosque/community centre in New York simply because it is Muslim.
Well, the two things are entirely unrelated, yeah. As I’ve said, this is a Sufi community center. Wahabists fucking hate Sufis.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:58:50pm |
re: #226 Alouette
I would like to have a cat, but Zedushka is a species-ist and he said that if I want a pet, I should adopt a human baby.
That would go over real well at Social Services: “Why do you want to foster an infant?” “Well I’d really prefer a cat, but my husband thinks we should only have a human being.”
Has he ever tried to leash train a human? It just doesn’t work.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:58:57pm |
Democrats to Newt Gingrich: Get Your Facts Right on the Cordoba House proposal. Oh, and stop shilling for Lazio.
Fundraising for the project hasn’t even started, and the developer is in discussions over due diligence. Raising what’s expected to be $100 million for the project is going to be tough with the current credit market so there will be plenty of scrutiny on who and what will be involved in the project.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:59:00pm |
re: #232 Walter L. Newton
So?
I’m just jealous because I wasn’t close enough to the conversation or quick enough to pull the trigger myself.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 12:59:44pm |
re: #235 5string
Can you explain why on earth you think Islam originated with the nomadic Bedouin, please?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:01:58pm |
Dan Riehl is at it again today: Full Sherrod Video: Violence Against Cops, Judges And Lawyers?
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:02:22pm |
re: #235 5string
I’m not sure I’d call interests - values. But I think sexual interests are pretty much universal. You have heard how Saudi royalty entertain themselves in Qatar? Western sexual adverts and such are the result of free speech. We are a horny lot generally. Evolution at work - we wouldn’t be here - at least as we are - otherwise.
How do we know peoples values except through their interests and messages? The decadence of some of the Saud Royals doesn’t reflect the broader population any better than Prince Charles dalliances represent the Anglican view on marriage- yet that is what we see, hear and talk about.
In short you are letting your knowledge of wahabbism and radicals color the broader world of Islam while expecting Muslims to see past our not so virtuous veneer.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:02:54pm |
re: #243 Obdicut
Can you explain why on earth you think Islam originated with the nomadic Bedouin, please?
Lawrence of Arabia?
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:03:41pm |
re: #241 lawhawk
Democrats to Newt Gingrich: Get Your Facts Right on the Cordoba House proposal. Oh, and stop shilling for Lazio.
Fundraising for the project hasn’t even started, and the developer is in discussions over due diligence. Raising what’s expected to be $100 million for the project is going to be tough with the current credit market so there will be plenty of scrutiny on who and what will be involved in the project.
Speaking of NY…
I know it’s Rasmussen, so I’m taking it with a pinch of salt, but it’s a little disconcerting to see the Tea Party candidate doing better than Lazio. It’s only two points, so it’s not earth-shattering, but I’m shocked to even see him that close.
Of course Cuomo’s going to win, barring a dead girl or live boy, so it doesn’t really matter.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:04:18pm |
re: #233 SpaceJesus
ha, i kinda miss all those crazies who used to post here. it was entertaining
Wait weren’t you one of the… oh… nevermind. /
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garhighway Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:05:50pm |
re: #241 lawhawk
Democrats to Newt Gingrich: Get Your Facts Right on the Cordoba House proposal. Oh, and stop shilling for Lazio.
Fundraising for the project hasn’t even started, and the developer is in discussions over due diligence. Raising what’s expected to be $100 million for the project is going to be tough with the current credit market so there will be plenty of scrutiny on who and what will be involved in the project.
Given that this isn’t a commercial project in which one used a revenue stream to retire building debt, I am not so sure that this is about the credit markets. Religious and other philanthropic projects are generally funded through donations and grants, whether they be churches, museums or schools.
Which means, of course, that there will be much hysteria over the identity and beliefs of the donors.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:05:52pm |
re: #248 JasonA
Of course Cuomo’s going to win, barring a dead girl or live boy, so it doesn’t really matter.
Now that is an expression you want to use with care. Whoa!
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:06:00pm |
re: #236 Stonemason
It is not the religion that is the problem, it is the fringe elements of the religion that can’t seem to work and play well with others. I’d mention that other religions have had the same problem (like so many others have) but that would be Tu Quoque…right?
Now that I’m done pointing out a little hypocrisy, my original statement still stands, there is no problem with the religion of Islam, or any other religion for that matter. The problem is when sects of religions think they have the ‘only’ true path and that the rest of us either need to follow or die.
5string: learn about the 999,000,000 Muslims that want to simply live a good life, like the majority of the rest of us do.
The bolded portion is absolutely true of every single religion without exception. That’s really the problem with religion in general.
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Jack Burton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:06:19pm |
This is a hoot in AvidExcrements comments:
Notice I just asked a question. I don’t see how any none (sic) jihadi could support the calling for a caliphate.
So he admits he’s JAQing off.
Oh and setting up a asinine strawman too.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:06:42pm |
re: #248 JasonA
I think you’re misreading that poll result. It’s a comparison between Cuomo and each of Lazio and Paladino in head to head races. It just goes to show that the opposition against Cuomo is pretty steady regardless of who’s running.
And whoever ends up winning in that primary will lose to Cuomo in November. That is, unless Cuomo sticks his foot in his mouth with some insane utterance or is caught up in some massive scandal.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:07:29pm |
re: #251 DaddyG
Now that is an expression you want to use with care. Whoa!
You’ve heard that before, right?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Before election day, Edwards had joked with reporters: “The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy”.
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allegro Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:08:58pm |
re: #245 DaddyG
“…while expecting Muslims to see past our not so virtuous veneer.”
Since I believe this began with the “sex, drug, and rock n’ roll” image that is supposedly perceived as evil as though they are bad things, I say let them get over it. They are honest things and the puritan approach (by any name) is just plain dishonest of human nature and creating unhappiness by denying us the full range of exploring the wonderfulness of being human and having fun.
That is all.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:09:21pm |
re: #252 Fozzie Bear
The bolded portion is absolutely true of every single religion without exception. That’s really the problem with religion in general.
No… the problem in general is that they exist. But, we will need a few more ages of enlightenment to get over that, so, in the meantime, exclusivity and supersessionism will be the dominant problem.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:09:42pm |
re: #254 lawhawk
Right, it’s not head to head to head. But Paladino is still doing better than Lazio according to that.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:09:42pm |
re: #240 b_sharp
Has he ever tried to leash train a human? It just doesn’t work.
You can’t leash train a cat.
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:10:16pm |
re: #252 Fozzie Bear
That’s really the problem with religion in general.
…uh oh. Here we go again. I am glad you didn’t bold the “or die” part. But do you have any concept of the bredth and depth of religious beliefs that don’t claim to be the only path or even a path? The convert or be miserable (hell, death) viewpoint is not a universal to belief in God or a higher power.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:11:25pm |
re: #261 DaddyG
…uh oh. Here we go again. I am glad you didn’t bold the “or die” part. But do you have any concept of the bredth and depth of religious beliefs that don’t claim to be the only path or even a path? The convert or be miserable (hell, death) viewpoint is not a universal to belief in God or a higher power.
It’s not a religion if you don’t have specified beliefs which the followers h0old to be beyond question. It’s just a drum circle of hippies if there isn’t a dogma, frankly.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:11:26pm |
re: #260 albusteve
it’s just as obscure as it is crass
I’ll buy crass, but I didn’t think it was that obscure. Suppose I was wrong, then.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:11:54pm |
re: #236 Stonemason
It is not the religion that is the problem, it is the fringe elements of the religion that can’t seem to work and play well with others. I’d mention that other religions have had the same problem (like so many others have) but that would be Tu Quoque…right? 5string: learn about the 999,000,000 Muslims that want to simply live a good life, like the majority of the rest of us do.
Well’ I’ve been trying. There are not 999,000,000 people on this planet that agree on anything. The reality is that if you grew up in the ME or SE Asia in a Muslim family, chances are good that you see the world through an honor-shame prism. That’s a zero sum approach to human relations that means that ultimately you see yourself psychologically as dominant over others or
dominated by them. Depending on how strong such an ethos is attached will determine a great deal about how you will relate to others in your life such as employers, neighbors, siblings, offspring, spouses, your government, etc. I’m not sure how indelible such upbringing is nor how many Muslim/Arab people who immigrate to the West are strongly attached to that view of life.
I’m all for welcoming immigrants to my country but I’m not sure if people born into a culture where such zero-sum values predominate are ready for life in the West - at least as productive citizens who wouldn’t create more problems and discord than add to the general well-being. It would be an easier call if Muslims in the US and elsewhere were to praise our values occasionally and after immigrating tell us how happy they are not to be constantly burdened with honor-shame considerations in all their interpersonal relations. But I have not seen much of that. And so I worry.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:12:41pm |
re: #265 5string
Given that you think that Bedouins were the originators of Islam, which is asininely ignorant, why should anyone pay any attention to your bizarre anthropological theories?
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:13:24pm |
re: #263 Fozzie Bear
It’s not a religion if you don’t have specified beliefs which the followers h0old to be beyond question. It’s just a drum circle of hippies if there isn’t a dogma, frankly.
No true Scotsman is ecumenical.
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:13:24pm |
re: #266 Obdicut
Given that you think that Bedouins were the originators of Islam, which is asininely ignorant, why should anyone pay any attention to your bizarre anthropological theories?
Teach the Controversy!
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:14:10pm |
re: #267 DaddyG
No true Scotsman is ecumenical.
Religion isn’t religion without beliefs of some kind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:14:12pm |
re: #234 JasonA
We don’t speak Mexican ‘round here.
/
But we do tattoo ourselves in Farsi.
(My father the ex-cop’s comment, when I tried to explain about Sue Myrick and the Venezuelan Persian infiltrators: “Well, surely the important part is that they’re in prison. I mean, whether they’re Iranian agents or just regular illegal immigrants, if they committed a crime, prison’s where they ought to be.”)
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:14:17pm |
re: #264 JasonA
I’ll buy crass, but I didn’t think it was that obscure. Suppose I was wrong, then.
I vote crass, obscure and funny as all get out.
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lawhawk Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:15:05pm |
re: #258 JasonA
It’s well within the margin of error, which is 4.5 points.
And if you look through the favorable/unfavorables for Paladino, you’d see that he’s got quite a high undecided, and Lazio gets 44% favorable or better, while Paladino is at 36%. Paladino is an unknown commodity - so there’s higher undecided, and a lower negative than Lazio at this point.
Cuomo has 64% favorable or better /33% unfavorable with 4% undecided (has to be a rounding issue since that totals 101%).
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DaddyG Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:16:21pm |
re: #269 Fozzie Bear
Religion isn’t religion without beliefs of some kind.
Don’t confuse beliefs and dogma. I don’t deny they often pair up (even in my own religion) but the portrayal of all religion is dogmatic or it is not religion is a fallacy- and one I’ve seen used to bash belief too often.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:16:57pm |
re: #259 Alouette
You can’t leash train a cat.
You can…some cats…but you have to find a cat that will go along with the idea.
Same as with humans, really, but there are personals ads for that sort of thing, whereas with cats it’s really luck of the draw. (Hi, Possum!)
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:17:22pm |
re: #273 DaddyG
Don’t confuse beliefs and dogma. I don’t deny they often pair up (even in my own religion) but the portrayal of all religion is dogmatic or it is not religion is a fallacy- and one I’ve seen used to bash belief too often.
Unitarians don’t count dude. /
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Four More Tears Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:17:46pm |
So what’s up Cameron’s ass?
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RadicalModerate Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:18:46pm |
I think that the bloggers who think that Charles is a secret Muslim have only scratched the surface.
The real truth is out there.
I personally think that Mr. Johnson’s first name isn’t Charles, but more likely is Navin, and that he was born a poor black sharecropper in Mississippi. In fact, I have video proof of this!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:20:59pm |
re: #265 5string
Well’ I’ve been trying. There are not 999,000,000 people on this planet that agree on anything. The reality is that if you grew up in the ME or SE Asia in a Muslim family, chances are good that you see the world through an honor-shame prism. That’s a zero sum approach to human relations that means that ultimately you see yourself psychologically as dominant over others or
dominated by them. Depending on how strong such an ethos is attached will determine a great deal about how you will relate to others in your life such as employers, neighbors, siblings, offspring, spouses, your government, etc. I’m not sure how indelible such upbringing is nor how many Muslim/Arab people who immigrate to the West are strongly attached to that view of life.I’m all for welcoming immigrants to my country but I’m not sure if people born into a culture where such zero-sum values predominate are ready for life in the West - at least as productive citizens who wouldn’t create more problems and discord than add to the general well-being. It would be an easier call if Muslims in the US and elsewhere were to praise our values occasionally and after immigrating tell us how happy they are not to be constantly burdened with honor-shame considerations in all their interpersonal relations. But I have not seen much of that. And so I worry.
1. Where do you imagine Muslims in the US should post these praises of our values so you would see them and be happy about them? Muslims I know who grew up in other countries and chose to move to the States are very happy with this country, by and large, and have told me so.
2. You’ve created this odd notion that Islam is all about honor-shame considerations, as though other religions or cultures had nothing like that, and as though there was nothing more to Islam than that particular social concept. Not everyone thinks in sociological terms, or necessarily wants to be ‘free’ of traditional ‘interpersonal relationships’.
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webevintage Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:21:53pm |
re: #278 RadicalModerate
I personally think that Mr. Johnson’s first name isn’t Charles, but more likely is Navin, and that he was born a poor black sharecropper in Mississippi. In fact, I have video proof of this!
The new phone books are here!
The new phone books are here!
I am somebody!
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:22:52pm |
re: #243 Obdicut
Can you explain why on earth you think Islam originated with the nomadic Bedouin, please?
Well, I don’t exactly say that it originated from the Bedouin, but that nomadic tribalism in a geographically resource-poor region causes life to develop in certain ways. The Bedouin and other tribes going back even further adopted similar values. Your life depends on the unquestioned support of your tribe and the tribe demands complete loyalty from you to it and its leader. And - people not in your tribe - except in some special cases for individuals seeking protection - are enemies to be raided and exploited. I see that vividly in most of what I know about Islam.
My views come from my life experience of course, but also from reading what I can. Scholarly but accessible books such as Salzman’s “Culture and Conflict in the ME” is s good one for these cultural questions.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:25:05pm |
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26charlie Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:25:15pm |
Kinda like when bigots (like Wilhelm Marr) began to argue that judaism was a race and not a religion.
Thanks for the link to something thats been a puzzlement - how and when the #uc!%$k did the jews become a race???
Learning something new every day isn’t ever going to go out of style with me. I can feel doubly lucky today though after also learning who is really a muslim! That joy isn’t likely to branch though. Its not going to be anything new when they keep repeating that same charge at future revelations - as if we didn’t hear them the first time….
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:25:30pm |
Honestly none of this is an issue, at all, to people who don’t give a shit what you believe so long as you behave rationally in terms of the positions you hold in public.
Worship toasters for all I care. It’s all completely looney anyway.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:28:06pm |
re: #239 Obdicut
Maybe we should call them Wahabists, instead of just “muslims”, to make it clear we’re talking about a subset.
You know, for the purposes of debate here at LGF, i sorta like that notion. If we adopted ‘Wahabists” in lieu of ‘radical Islam’ or whatever in an attempt to be more specific about targeting the specific slice of Islam that really really needs an enlightenment, I wonder how accurate we’d be.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:29:34pm |
re: #281 5string
Well, I don’t exactly say that it originated from the Bedouin, but that nomadic tribalism in a geographically resource-poor region causes life to develop in certain ways.
The Fertile Crescent really wasn’t resource poor, no.
And by the fifth century, the Arab populations had abandoned nomadic ways to the extent they were claiming to not be descended from the same stock as Bedouin.
So what you’re saying is still ignorant and wrong.
The Bedouin and other tribes going back even further adopted similar values.
Like Jews, for example?
Your life depends on the unquestioned support of your tribe and the tribe demands complete loyalty from you to it and its leader.
That is quite nearly the opposite of Bedouin values. Bedouin are very family oriented, with a backwards heirarchy of family loyalty in relation to the individual. It is massively decentralized. Sheiks had power in relation to their ability to convince and sway the subgroups, not because Bedouins have a strong hierarchy.
My views come from my life experience of course, but also from reading what I can. Scholarly but accessible books such as Salzman’s “Culture and Conflict in the ME” is s good one for these cultural questions.
You are completely ignorant on this subject, so I’ll be sure to avoid anything you recommend.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:30:07pm |
re: #96 HappyWarrior
You know Thomas Jefferson was probably a secret Muslim too since unlike Obama he actually owned a Koran. And you know what they say about people who own Korans.
Heh. I guess that makes me twice the Muslim that Jefferson was since I own two copies of the Qu’ran— one in English and one in Spanish. I got them when an imam from a local mosque came to a religious studies class I was taking to talk about Islam and answer questions.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:30:38pm |
re: #285 Aceofwhat?
Meh. There are other insane Muslim groups other than the Wahabists, as well. But the Saudi Arabian nutjobs that attacked us in 9/11 are Wahabists.
I like being as accurate as possible.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:31:33pm |
re: #250 garhighway
Given that this isn’t a commercial project in which one used a revenue stream to retire building debt, I am not so sure that this is about the credit markets. Religious and other philanthropic projects are generally funded through donations and grants, whether they be churches, museums or schools.
Yes and no. The funding stream is what it is…donations and grants are still an income stream, which is used to set terms on real estate debt. Church loans are so common that most banks have specific lending programs in place for them.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:33:13pm |
re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist
1. Where do you imagine Muslims in the US should post these praises of our values so you would see them and be happy about them? Muslims I know who grew up in other countries and chose to move to the States are very happy with this country, by and large, and have told me so.
I’m not saying anyone needs to overtly reassure me. It just seems that I would have come across such sentiments in letters to the editor, blog comments by (supposed) Muslim/Arabs, etc. occasionally. I can’t recall ever seeing such a letter.
2. You’ve created this odd notion that Islam is all about honor-shame considerations, as though other religions or cultures had nothing like that, and as though there was nothing more to Islam than that particular social concept. Not everyone thinks in sociological terms, or necessarily wants to be ‘free’ of traditional ‘interpersonal relationships’.
You’ve created this odd notion that people who grow up in vastly different cultures are the same as Americans. I think you’re wrong. Honor-shame is part of human nature. Some cultures try to evolve past it and some evolve to embrace it. Ignoring that fact can be self-destructive.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:33:23pm |
Since green is the favored color of hamas and also the favorite color of the environmental movement, not to mention the favorite color of the Boston Celtics and also the color of envy, I believe Charles’ decision to use green in the title of his blog really makes him an “envious celtic loving environmental whacko hamas supporter.”
I refuse to think any lizard really needs to see one of these: /
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:34:21pm |
re: #292 _RememberTonyC
Calling a Lakers fan a Celtics supporter— now that could start a war.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:34:25pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
No… the problem in general is that they exist. But, we will need a few more ages of enlightenment to get over that, so, in the meantime, exclusivity and supersessionism will be the dominant problem.
I doubt humanity can weather another 1000 years of magical thinking.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:39:48pm |
re: #291 5string
You’ve created this odd notion that people who grow up in vastly different cultures are the same as Americans. I think you’re wrong. Honor-shame is part of human nature. Some cultures try to evolve past it and some evolve to embrace it. Ignoring that fact can be self-destructive.
You’ve created this odd notion that there is some binary natural selection at work that has led to a rigid condition where one’s religion and culture are not interchangeable. If there’s anything that our country has shown over the past 230+ years, it’s that personal faiths of all sorts can flourish in our culture.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:40:08pm |
re: #146 Naso Tang
I may have been one of those commentators but, for what it’s worth, someone like CL would have been the ideal candidate to lead such a facility.
Unfortunately I suspect that he would lose much of the financing, wherever it comes from. Nuff said.
I’m back, just seeing this.
I’m not sure I was clear. I don’t know about, and frankly, don’t really care about the financing of this project.
What I’m trying to point out is that people seem to have married two ideas in their heads - the building of the mosque, and terrorism
These are two separate issues, and I think before anyone can talk rationally about it, they need to SEE it as two separate issues, not as one thing in one big ball o’ wax.
One issue is the building of a religious facility.
The second issue is terrorism, and whatever leftover fears we have about it.
The building should not even be an issue.
The second thing, terrorism and our fears, is an issue, BUT we must trust that our government agencies will keep us safe, and that is true regardless of what is built or where.
I’ve been pulled back and forth on this thing; I didn’t have any particular objection to this facility being built; I could understand why some might have an objection, but I could never figure out exactly what it was they were objecting to.
Until it struck me that they are thinking of this in terms of one thing, when it’s two things, and each must be considered on its own terms only.
sheesh. hope that made better sense.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:42:12pm |
re: #286 Obdicut
You are completely ignorant on this subject, so I’ll be sure to avoid anything you recommend.
You seem to be a bit obsessed with the ignorance of those you disagree with. Did your Dad call you stupid a lot? Don’t bother to answer as I won’t be reading it. I’ve got some real life things to take care of. But it’s always fun to run into someone who knows everything and is never wrong. It’s funny how many of these types seem to dedicate their whole lives to telling people about it. Cheers
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26charlie Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:42:14pm |
re: #29 CuriousLurker””“”
””See?? It was just a matter of time before the TRUE symbolism behind the meaning of Little Green Footballs was revealed. You’ve all been duped! Taqiyyahhh!!11! Bwahahaha!”
Dont quote me, but its fair to say you are ThE speakeR of the truth - so far - as long as someone wants NeeDs to keep that a seekrit.
I wonder if green is a favorite color because theres so little greenery in the places its popular? (Why not azure blue - unless its a god thing?) No, i’m starting to like green too all of a sudden…..
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pharmmajor Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:43:47pm |
The far-left nuts accuse you of being Jewish, the far-right nuts accuse you of being Muslim… you’re clearly doing something right if you’re pissing off the freaks on both sides of the spectrum.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:49:13pm |
re: #295 Aceofwhat?
You’ve created this odd notion that there is some binary natural selection at work that has led to a rigid condition where one’s religion and culture are not interchangeable. If there’s anything that our country has shown over the past 230+ years, it’s that personal faiths of all sorts can flourish in our culture.
5string made no sense with the first post I saw in this thread:
re: #141 5string
And he keeps on not making sense.
I can’t figure why anyone is bothering.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:51:26pm |
re: #297 5string
i know, right? people who have conversations on blogs have, like, NO life…wait, oops/
way to go for the personal insult. when you run out of substance, start throwing family jabs, right?
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:53:26pm |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
5string made no sense with the first post I saw in this thread:
re: #141 5stringAnd he keeps on not making sense.
I can’t figure why anyone is bothering.
well…i don’t know about anyone else…but i figured that le con would either become more or less constructive with each reply…and both of those can be enjoyable;)
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:56:14pm |
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:56:19pm |
re: #295 Aceofwhat?
You’ve created this odd notion that there is some binary natural selection at work that has led to a rigid condition where one’s religion and culture are not interchangeable. If there’s anything that our country has shown over the past 230+ years, it’s that personal faiths of all sorts can flourish in our culture.
Let me be more precise. How much honor-shame considerations affect one’s behavior is a variable. Arab society is fairly well permeated with bit from bottom to top. From the family to the heads of state. One can not survive in such a society without an acute respect - internalized, not cognitively deployed - for how your behavior toward others in various situations should be governed. In the West we also observe honor-shame considerations but have generally placed those into beneficial contexts. For example, we generally think it honorable to admit a mistake if you made it (honesty) and we think it is shameful to abuse the weak. In Arab society the opposite is more often the case.
But like most measurements of human nature these are always found on a continuum that varies in significant and measurable ways both within and across cultures. And within any culture the individual variation can swamp any cultural trends.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:57:35pm |
re: #305 5string
For example, we considered it dishonorable for a black man to touch a white woman, so we lynched them.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 1:59:39pm |
re: #305 5string
alrighty. So, given that we’re not an Arab society, what does that screed have to do with the viability of Islam in the proper culture…like, say, ours?
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:00:44pm |
re: #307 Aceofwhat?
alrighty. So, given that we’re not an Arab society, what does that screed have to do with the viability of Islam in the proper culture…like, say, ours?
Not sure. That’s why I’m here hoping to find some clues. Haven’t yet.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:03:36pm |
re: #307 Aceofwhat?
alrighty. So, given that we’re not an Arab society, what does that screed have to do with the viability of Islam in the proper culture…like, say, ours?
BTW - I don’t think that cultures can be “proper” or not - they just are. I do think some cultures embrace better values than others that make for greater happiness and prosperity. I think it’s worth caring about it so that my descendants will have as good a life as possible in a life-affirming society.
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b_sharp Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:07:22pm |
re: #291 5string
You’ve created this odd notion that people who grow up in vastly different cultures are the same as Americans. I think you’re wrong. Honor-shame is part of human nature. Some cultures try to evolve past it and some evolve to embrace it. Ignoring that fact can be self-destructive.
There should be a cite out there for the bolded claim, but I haven’t seen one, so there probably isn’t.
Prove me wrong.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:09:25pm |
re: #310 b_sharp
There should be a cite out there for the bolded claim, but I haven’t seen one, so there probably isn’t.
Prove me wrong.
Prove a negative? What’s your point?
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:13:41pm |
re: #307 Aceofwhat?
alrighty. So, given that we’re not an Arab society, what does that screed have to do with the viability of Islam in the proper culture…like, say, ours?
In order for the screed to be relevant, you have to make the assumption that all Muslims—the vast majority of whom are NOT Arabs—somehow manage to miraculously cast off the culture they have been raised in and adopt Arab culture & values (regardless of whether they are Islamic or not).
Naturally, this would also include American born & bred converts.
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:15:59pm |
re: #312 CuriousLurker
And that Arab culture and Bedouin culture were the same, despite the fact that the Arabs that settled down and built cities were explicitly and obviously casting off the nomadic lifestyle.
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Lidane Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:19:43pm |
re: #305 5string
That’s a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing at all.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:21:56pm |
re: #312 CuriousLurker
In order for the screed to be relevant, you have to make the assumption that all Muslims—the vast majority of whom are NOT Arabs—somehow manage to miraculously cast off the culture they have been raised in and adopt Arab culture & values (regardless of whether they are Islamic or not).
Naturally, this would also include American born & bred converts.
yep. i was trying to force an admission a la #308 and i received it.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:23:10pm |
re: #308 5string
Not sure. That’s why I’m here hoping to find some clues. Haven’t yet.
Go looking for the reasons why our culture is so successful at assimilating immigrant cultures, e.g. as opposed to Western Europe, and you will find a great many clues.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:23:46pm |
Excuse me, but my camel just came untethered from where I had him parked out on the sidewalk and now I’m going to have to go chase him down before the cops give me a ticket.
Can somebody please keep an eye on my tent till I get back? /
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:24:27pm |
re: #318 CuriousLurker
What are you doing conversing with men outside your family?
Go stuff some dates.
//
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:24:40pm |
re: #317 Aceofwhat?
Go looking for the reasons why our culture is so successful at assimilating immigrant cultures, e.g. as opposed to Western Europe, and you will find a great many clues.
1000x up-dings for that.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:29:09pm |
re: #320 CuriousLurker
1000x up-dings for that.
thanks, but if your camel spits on me, i’m going to cut your tent straps/
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:29:52pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
What are you doing conversing with men outside your family?
Go stuff some dates.
//
LMAO!!! I’d hug you for that laugh, but, you know… Aw, what the hell! (((Obdi)))
*waits for male family member to drive up from out of state and perform honor killing for cyber-hugging Jewish, atheist, non-relative male*
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:29:58pm |
re: #319 Obdicut
What are you doing conversing with men outside your family?
Go stuff some dates.
//
huh. i thought CL was a dude…? not that it matters much.
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:30:44pm |
re: #322 CuriousLurker
LMAO!!! I’d hug you for that laugh, but, you know… Aw, what the hell! (((Obdi)))
*waits for male family member to drive up from out of state and perform honor killing for cyber-hugging Jewish, atheist, non-relative male*
shoot, i thought you were a boy. i have brought shame upon myself/
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Obdicut Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:32:28pm |
re: #324 Aceofwhat?
shoot, i thought you were a boy. i have brought shame upon myself/
DON’T KILL ANYONE!
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:32:38pm |
re: #321 Aceofwhat?
thanks, but if your camel spits on me, i’m going to cut your tent straps/
*grabs scimitar and walk meancingly towards Ace…*
I KEEL YOU IF YOU TOUCH MY CAMEL, INFIDEL!!11!
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:34:51pm |
re: #323 Aceofwhat?
huh. i thought CL was a dude…? not that it matters much.
Nope, I’m a female. But don’t let that lull you into a false sense of security—we’re ever bit as evil as our male counterparts. //
;o)
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:37:09pm |
re: #327 CuriousLurker
Nope, I’m a female. But don’t let that lull you into a false sense of security—we’re ever bit as evil as our male counterparts. //
;o)
hey, i don’t want an earthquake or anything…we’re cool//
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Aceofwhat? Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:39:24pm |
re: #325 Obdicut
DON’T KILL ANYONE!
…but i am unable to extricate myself from the original culture from which my faith arose…and as soon as i figure out what a non-denominational Protestant dude is culturally bound to do in this situation, i’m taking action…
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:39:41pm |
re: #328 Aceofwhat?
hey, i don’t want an earthquake or anything…we’re cool//
LOL, ohhhh that’s right. I forgot all about our special earthquake generating powers!
Well, I guess it’s time for me to get back to work. Talk to you guys later.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:47:10pm |
re: #197 5string
In other words, perhaps Islam needs to go through a revolutionary stage in order to evolve into a religion adaptable to the modern world? Or something like that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:47:18pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
why is this phrase so funny
bring your Bibles, flags, signs, dogs and singing voices
It’s just KILLING ME
| 333 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:48:13pm |
re: #326 CuriousLurker
*grabs scimitar and walk meancingly towards Ace…*
I KEEL YOU IF YOU TOUCH MY CAMEL, INFIDEL!!11!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:51:09pm |
| 335 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jul 27, 2010 2:52:36pm |
re: #297 5string
You seem to be a bit obsessed with the ignorance of those you disagree with. Did your Dad call you stupid a lot? Don’t bother to answer as I won’t be reading it. I’ve got some real life things to take care of. But it’s always fun to run into someone who knows everything and is never wrong. It’s funny how many of these types seem to dedicate their whole lives to telling people about it. Cheers
Hahaha get lost beardo
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TedStriker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:27:10pm |
re: #141 5string
Most of these comments - and Charles’ post - seem to me to miss the point. Wherever there is violent conflict the strongest human emotional forces are called into play and become the over-riding forces guiding behavior. The internet is at a disadvantage to engage this reality because communication must go both ways through the intellectual engine of reading writing and word-meanings - stripped of nuance and feeling - a cumbersome and error ridden channel at best.
It’s good to occasionally remember that the emotional forces underlying the conflict (and these discussions) are far beyond a human ability to comprehend without a lot of careful effort. Too much clever word-play becomes a game of its own - played for separate reasons of public wins and losses for one person or one side as opposed to another. It may be fun as a distraction but it’s good not to confuse this with the reality of the conflict - which is an emotional reality following ancient tracks of human nature. But only through that scratched and dirty window can any human violence and conflict be understood.
The great suffering and unhappiness this conflict causes cries out for serious problem-solving engagement but doing so is infinitely more difficult than the casual fun of quips and insults. And that’s the downside.
Do you hate playing 3-D chess in a 2-D world? Do you have an IQ of 167?
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Jul 27, 2010 3:39:47pm |
I made the mistake of checking the stalker post. It’s unreadable. Whoever writes that doesn’t know the basic rules of English.
Wow.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:09:34pm |
re: #336 talon_262
Do you hate playing 3-D chess in a 2-D world? Do you have an IQ of 167?
Damn, point taken. Sometimes I’m too careful with how I say things and it comes out like that. Maybe if I had an IQ of 167 I could’ve done a better job.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:44:24pm |
Hah, as if anyone couldn’t figure out that you had recently converted to Islam. You just have to keep track of when new threads are posted, those hours when you pray to Mecca five times every day? No new threads, if that isn’t evidence that you have become an anti-American terrorist Muslim I don’t know what is…
/ giving the stalkers something else to waste their time on pointlessly researching. :p
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jul 27, 2010 4:51:23pm |
| 341 |
Stephen T. Tue, Jul 27, 2010 6:14:35pm |
It’s comments like these that have finally convinced me that I need to purchase that English & Arabic copy of the Koran I’ve seen at Borders. I know that just by having one in my house, I’ll creep out some of the wingnuts.
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 8:18:53pm |
For anyone interested here’s a link to a debate between two American Muslims. The link goes to the 5th segment which features M. Zuhdi Jasser of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy - but the other segments can be found there too. I think Jasser describes pretty well why I am cautious about openly accepting Islam into American society.
If mainstream Islam could accept Jasser’s criticisms and see them as worthwhile then I would be far more accepting of Islam. I hope that happens some day because I am certain there are many worthwhile and valuable aspects of Islam that could enrich our nation by becoming part of it. Unfortunately, my sense is that Jasser’s view is very much a minority view among American Muslims.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Jul 27, 2010 9:37:32pm |
Jasser says that as a Muslim he’s offended by Cordoba House. He doesn’t think it’s a question of religious freedom and sees it as a threat to national security. Listen carefully to his talking points. Sound familiar?
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5string Tue, Jul 27, 2010 11:11:30pm |
re: #343 CuriousLurker
Jasser says that as a Muslim he’s offended by Cordoba House. He doesn’t think it’s a question of religious freedom and sees it as a threat to national security. Listen carefully to his talking points. Sound familiar?
I think you are a bit too emotionally invested in your position to have a serious discussion on this. By calling his concerns “talking points” you reveal that you have no intention of rationally considering them. I just listened to both of them and I’m not sure where I stand on Cordoba House. I see some sense and truth in both their views. Right now I’m fine with not having an opinion and allowing the people of NY city or state to express themselves through whatever legal options that may apply there.
By “sound familiar” I’m guessing that you think I was parroting his views in this thread. If that’s the case then you are wrong because I posted my comment immediately after I had viewed the YouTube segment. I found the link at another website this evening. I had never heard of Dr. Jasser or his views until about 6:15 this evening - about 2 hrs after I made my last comment here - #338 at 4:09. I posted the link only because the Ford debate seemed quite relevant to this thread.
You should consider the possibility that you can disagree with someone without disrespecting or insulting them. I realize the style in forums like this is to be as insulting as possible with people you disagree with but this topic really deserves more respect than that IMO. You are articulate enough to make your points stand on their own - if they deserve to.
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swamprat Wed, Jul 28, 2010 12:33:18am |
re: #342 5string
For anyone interested here’s a link to a debate between two American Muslims. The link goes to the 5th segment which features M. Zuhdi Jasser of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy - but the other segments can be found there too. I think Jasser describes pretty well why I am cautious about openly accepting Islam into American society.
If mainstream Islam could accept Jasser’s criticisms and see them as worthwhile then I would be far more accepting of Islam. I hope that happens some day because I am certain there are many worthwhile and valuable aspects of Islam that could enrich our nation by becoming part of it. Unfortunately, my sense is that Jasser’s view is very much a minority view among American Muslims.[Video]
Yeah, right. How do you feel about accepting our darker complexioned
applicants? They have those Mau-Mau people and those scary fist symbols…
What about Puerto Ricans? Completely different culture invading our fair land?
How about those Indians- they have a history of violence, don’t they?
You know, those Irish have dark legacy of religious wars, and avoiding tax laws on liquor.
The Sikhs all carry knives… that can’t be good.
Those Japanese, a lot of bigots there, and don’t forget Pearl Harbor!
Which brings me to the Chinese and
IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU ARE WILLING TO BE “OPENLY ACCEPTING ISLAM INTO AMERICAN SOCIETY”!
W. T. F.!
Fjordman, is that you? I have seen wordy mealy mouthed bigoted posts before, and they stink, no matter how much honey you slather between the turds.
Read and comprehend.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
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CuriousLurker Wed, Jul 28, 2010 3:09:51am |
re: #344 5string
My “sound familiar?” question was in reference to wingnut talking points, which is exactly what Jasser is spouting. However, since you think I’m “too emotionally invested” in my position to “have a serious discussion on this”, let’s review who’s been having issues for the past week or so.
You started off your comments on my taqiyyah page with sneering sarcasm in comment #1, for which you’ve received 20 down-dings.
Then, when I refused to engage you directly because of that behavior, you continued to troll with 8 additional comments:
Comments #4, #7 and #9 - You revealed your utter ignorance of Islam.
Comment #7 - You asserted I had written a “carefully crafted apology for deception” which lacked “a serious discussion of the morality of the issue”.
Comment #12 - You started in with the snark again in the last line where you said, “I think what you meant to say is ‘engagement is feared’,” as if some childish schoolyard taunt of “Chicken!” was going to get a response from me.
Comment #26 - You went off on another ignorant screed in which you also implied that my motives for providing the information were questionable at best: “The reason I joined this discussion is to point out that what people say about their faith (or their own behavior) seldom has anything to do with their actual motives. Such pronouncements are almost always a self-serving justification to make them appear to be an admirable person who’s often disgusting behavior is justified by some common standard.”
Comment #28 - You reveal more ignorance, tell me what YOU think I should be writing about, and then again accuse of of being an apologist because I didn’t do so: “By leaving that out you create an apology more than an illumination.”. You finish up this comment with another attempted smear by implying that because my explanation of taqiyyah didn’t include a condemnation of murderous terrorists, those things are somehow unimportant to me: “I’ve told you what I think is important and it seems you have done the same.”
Comment #29 - You tell me that you want to see a survey of whether “ordinary Muslims from a variety of Muslim majority states” believe that Islam “allows them to deceive their enemies in the service of jihad”. Yeah, I’ll run right out and do that survey for you—right after you show me that you have even the faintest idea under which conditions jihad is sanctioned by Islam (as opposed to when it is sanctioned by terrorists) and what the rules of engagement are (for non-terrorist Muslims).
Comment #35 - After having completely ignored you from comments #3-#29—and having responded to all others with the same calm & civility they showed me—I pointed out (in comment #30) how rude you’d been. This sent you into concern troll mode, where you attempted to paint me as unreasonable, insincere & rude and yourself as reasonable & polite: “Don’t you think you’re taking this a bit seriously….It doesn’t need to include antagonism or insults or feigned hurt feelings. I try never to insult people. I’d rather focus on ideas.”
Then Charles shut you down by closing the comments.
Now you’re at it again. Who do you think you’re fooling? You’re behaving like some kind of delusional stalker. I’m done with you. BACK OFF.
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Pass The Moonbaticide Wed, Jul 28, 2010 4:13:41am |
From the article :
But I think Cj goes father here.
What has happened to the standards of grammar in journalism ?
Does nobody proof-read copy any more ?
The proposition itself must surely be recognised as a non-sequitur,
seeing as how Charles’ hostility to Creationalism is well documented,
and Creationalism is a key plank of Muslim doctrine.
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iceweasel Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:32:17am |
re: #346 CuriousLurker
Wow. Thanks for that summary. I’d forgotten he was the asswipe from that thread, and hadn’t seen his other comments there. Always a pleasure to have the chance to go back and downding him some more!
Bookmarked this comment as well. BTW, all threads here get closed for new comments after a time (I think a week??)— partly because of people like that, who would obsessively return to dead or old threads to fling poo. (Often these would be people who are getting their butts handed to them in a current thread, so they’d sneak back to an older one to call their ‘enemy’ nasty names. )
People are so weird.
Have a good day!
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iceweasel Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:45:25am |
re: #344 5string
I think you are a bit too emotionally invested in your position to have a serious discussion on this. By calling his concerns “talking points” you reveal that you have no intention of rationally considering them.
I think it’s been fully established that you’re the one too ‘emotionally invested’ in this to have any discussion with, nor do you have any intent of— and in fact I suspect you completely lack the intellectual capacity for— doing so.
Nice concern trolling there. Not really. Pseudo-intellectual cranks such as yourself can’t stop themselves from claims like the above— where you assert that precisely because CL is Muslim, she’s too emotionally invested to be trustworthy as a source of information about Muslims.
You’re a little rageball trapped in your world of ignorance and hate.
re: #311 5string
Prove a negative? What’s your point?
The point is that you’re wholly ignorant of how to make an argument. This was going to be a short but sweet post listing just a few of the logical fallacies you’ve committed, but CL has already demolished you, and you’d be too stupid to understand it anyway.
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Gus Wed, Jul 28, 2010 5:46:25am |
re: #347 Pass The Moonbaticide
From the article :
What has happened to the standards of grammar in journalism ?
Does nobody proof-read copy any more ?
The proposition itself must surely be recognised as a non-sequitur,
seeing as how Charles’ hostility to Creationalism is well documented,
and Creationalism is a key plank of Muslim doctrine.
Huh?
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5string Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:54:25am |
You guys are a good example of what’s wrong with the internet. Ideas and actual discourse get the short end of the stick - while infantile injured egos run rampant over any and all topics. Do you ever read back your own comments? Pretty sad.
I had no idea CL was a Muslim and why should I care? She’s either right or wrong. But that does explain the emotional investment. I see now it’s an identity thing.
But here’s the bottom line. I say she’s got a lot wrong and she (and you) have yet to show me otherwise. Do any of you actually present arguments and rebuttals based on reason and evidence to support your assertions - or is it all drama queen and insults all the way down? If anyone here has some ability and desire to carry on an actual discussion, I’ll be around. So far it’s not looking good.
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swamprat Wed, Jul 28, 2010 8:31:14pm |
re: #351 5string
Here’s your rebuttal:
Oppressing people doesn’t stop them from being violent. It fuels and fans the excuses for violence. Just as I would not offer any concessions or accept any oppression from those who use religion to oppress; I also would not be willing to put myself in the position of oppressing. If you are conspiratorial enough to think Islam wants to mess with America, you should be conspiratorial enough to think those same idiots want us to act stupidly enough to justify some sort of pre-arranged retaliation. Love and kindness…( but with due diligence!)….Is the perfect form of ju-jitsu.
Now go back to the Klan rally, and tell them what I said.
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5string Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:19:48pm |
You make no sense swamprat. You don’t even say what you are rebutting although I you do imply that I think oppressing people is a good thing. I actually think oppressing people is a bad thing so I doubt I would advocate for it. But point it out if you can.
Here’s the deal. If you’re trying to debate someone you at least need to be able to reference something they said before you try to show that they are wrong about it. Would you like to try again?
Start with something like, “In #nnn you said (then fill in the blank here with something I said that you think is wrong).
Then you say that’s wrong because (then fill in the blank here with the your logical and evidence-based reasons).
That way I can rebut your rebuttal or I can accept your premise and admit defeat. You can also drop the finishing insult. It has no effect on me but it shows others that you know you have not made any coherent point and so maybe I’ll get mad and insult you back and in the confusion no-one will remember that you haven’t really rebutted anything that that I said. In this case you have only written some grand sounding words that don’t relate to anything that I can recall from the previous comments.
I’m not trying to be sarcastic. I really want to see if anyone here has a reasonable view on this - or maybe it is just drama queens and insults all the way down.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jul 28, 2010 9:30:21pm |
re: #353 5string
How ya doing, slimebag beardo 9/11 fetishist
After this:
So then, we don’t have to worry so much any more about Muslims lying to us. I’m so relieved. How about the 19 Muslims who purchased airline tickets in Boston with the supposed intention to fly to LA and other places knowing they were going to commandeer the planes and fly them into the World Trade Center and Pentagon.? Which of the three “get home free” cards did they use? Were they concerned that they might hurt the ticket agent’s feelings if they told them their true intentions?
You are not worthy of respect, you’re barely worth the effort it took for me to type this
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CuriousLurker Thu, Jul 29, 2010 12:15:53am |
| 356 |
ClaudeMonet Thu, Jul 29, 2010 1:48:55am |
re: #345 swamprat
Read and comprehend.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
Oh noes! You is quoting from something written by one of them Joos!! 11ty!!!re: #347 Pass The Moonbaticide
From the article :
What has happened to the standards of grammar in journalism ?
Does nobody proof-read copy any more ?
Grammar is for Commies and their fifth-column supporters. Reel Ahmuricans don’t need no stinking rules, their righteousness eclipses all bounds of language.//
No one proof-reads anymore. It takes time and sometimes costs money, and anyone proof-reading a moonbat or wingnut’s copy obviously has an anti-whoever-we-is bias. This Is Known Fact.
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5string Thu, Jul 29, 2010 11:57:57am |
re: #346 CuriousLurker
Then Charles shut you down by closing the comments.
I didn’t get any memo from Charles explaining this. Did you? I have no idea why he did it but maybe he just thought that it wasn’t such a good idea to be running an article with hundreds of comments behind it - posted by his special permission no less - that seemed to say that Muslims don’t deceive or tell lies - at a time when some idiots were accusing him of being a “seekrit Muslim”.
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