Jim Hoft: Internet’s Dimmest Bulb?

Ben Dimiero asks: Is Jim Hoft (“Gateway Pundit”) the Dumbest Human on the Internet?

I would answer “yes,” but there’s some pretty stiff competition with people like Pamela Geller and Dan Riehl.

In spite of the fact that Hoft embarrasses himself on a near-daily basis and has shown time and again that he is either willfully dishonest or staggeringly inept, he has managed to carve out a role as one of the most-read, most respected writers in the conservative blogosphere. And his influence extends beyond the blogs. Hoft’s stories are regularly featured on Fox News’ Fox Nation website, and he has been cited as a source on-air by Fox News on multiple occasions.

Hoft’s ongoing position of influence in the conservative media is evidence that the entire movement is intellectually bankrupt.

It’s bad, all right.

Dimiero does a pretty good job of recounting Hoft’s inane mistakes, deliberate lies, and general illiteracy, and includes several screenshots of Hoft’s more ridiculous headlines.

Here’s another screenshot; this was Jim Hoft’s response to me when I pointed out that his source for a false claim about Obama education czar Kevin Jennings was an extremist anti-gay hate group:

Also see

UPDATE at 9/22/10 1:34:42 pm:

Dan Riehl defends Jim Hoft: Taking Up Erick Boehlert’s Challenge, Or Why I Love Jim Hoft.

Erick Boehlert Tweets:

Can’t someone/anyone from RW blogosphere defend Jim Hoft

Hoft doesn’t need defending from the likes of you, Boehlert. But I’ll always have his back because he fights the Left the same way and every bit as hard as they routinely fight us everyday. But that doesn’t seem to bother you, now does it, ass hat?

Now, crawl back under your twitter-rock. Evey time you peak your head out you get pimp slammed like some silly biatch, because no one over here gives a damn what you think, moron.

So, do you want a follow up? Or, are we done now, punk?

I rest my case.

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81 comments

1 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:54:44pm

Wow, that guy's got a face for the internet, holy shit

2 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:55:21pm

I support child porn and fisting kits at school functions. Hell, I'm class rep, if I'm not going to take the lead, the Witches will.

3 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:57:12pm

Well, Bill Kristol already did set the conservative standard that to be respected, you need to be wrong basically 100% of the time.

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:57:14pm

Also, I remember a couple commenters here trying to push those smears against Kevin Jennings way back when

Ah memories! I think one of those commenters is banzored now, the other one is still here, but sorta neutered

5 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:57:32pm

Excellent observation by Andy Kreiss, commenter from the article:

"I am amazed that the same wingnuts who can't find any racism in the tea party can see Nazi salutes and flipping the bird in photos of Obama."

6 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:58:33pm

re: #5 Amory Blaine

Excellent observation by Andy Kreiss, commenter from the article:

"I am amazed that the same wingnuts who can't find any racism in the tea party can see Nazi salutes and flipping the bird in photos of Obama."

And crypto-Islamic double secret stars and crescents in every logo and piece of graphic design associated with the administration

7 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:00:43pm

re: #1 WindUpBird

Wow, that guy's got a face for the internet, holy shit

Separated at birth.

8 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:01:05pm

re: #6 WindUpBird

And crypto-Islamic double secret stars and crescents in every logo and piece of graphic design associated with the administration

Missile Defense Logos for Wingnut Dummies.
Image: missile-defense-lo_1585545c.jpg

9 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:02:22pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Separated at birth.

more like radio....with the internet you get pictures.

10 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:03:39pm

re: #1 WindUpBird

Wow, that guy's got a face for the internet, holy shit

Ask him to do a chin-up, and he'll respond, "Which one?"

11 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:03:58pm

FUCK PUNDITS


that is all, thank you...

12 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:04:08pm

re: #10 darthstar

Ask him to do a chin-up, and he'll respond, "Which one?"

I would have thought it would be "what chin?"

13 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:04:25pm

I'm been thinking about this:

is the internet killing the republican party?

Because what you have with the Republicans, is all these wackos in the base, these people who truly believe the most insane and horrible things, they all have far more of a voice than they ever would have pre-internet. No blogs, no avenue for a guy like this to make a mark, because the establishment GOP wouldn't let him

But nowadays, they all have voices! And they can speak to the base straight up and be just as crazy as they are, and the establishment GOP which used to keep a lid on the crazy, now they're helpless to stop it, because it's the internet, it's twitter, it's blogs, it's this hive mind full of rage that can't be controlled. And you have people with a brain on their shoulders in the GOP like Rove and Frum, just getting beaten into the ground by these bug-eyed freaks who think witchcraft is real and the president is simultaneously a muslim and a satanist

14 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:05:09pm

re: #12 PT Barnum

I would have thought it would be "what chin?"

His helmet was always blowing off when he would go faster than 20 mph on his motorcycle.

/

15 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:05:56pm

WTF is a fisting kit? I was always of the understanding that all you need is a fist, and a willing fistee...

16 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:06:26pm

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

WTF is a fisting kit? I was always of the understanding that all you need is a fist, and a willing fistee...

The $64,000 question.

17 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:06:40pm

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

WTF is a fisting kit? I was always of the understanding that all you need is a fist, and a willing fistee...

latex glove?

18 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:06:56pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Separated at birth.

Beaker was the smarter one.

19 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:07:02pm

re: #14 Gus 802

His helmet was always blowing off when he would go faster than 20 mph on his motorcycle.

/

he has to button his shirts to keep the foreskin from riding up

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:07:22pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

The problem is there's no leadership so blogs and Fox News fill the void. The blogs by themselves couldn't do this on their own. Fox has a huge megaphone and they are the main source of the problem. The blogs certainly don't help things.

21 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:07:58pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

I'm been thinking about this:

is the internet killing the republican party?

Looks that way, but in 1958 the Birch Society made do with the printing press. The difference is not that great. The future may prove me wrong....

22 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:08:50pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

i might agree with you, except when i hear people quoting, say, jonah goldberg, seriously, i can't decide whether it's the slow and painful death of the republic party or the inevitable onset of idiocracy in america

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:11:01pm

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

WTF is a fisting kit? I was always of the understanding that all you need is a fist, and a willing fistee...

heh, well, there's sets of implements you can buy that help you work up to that level of achievement :D

24 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:11:08pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Don't forget the large number of hyperconservative 'think tanks', well-funded, pumping out shitloads of bizarre propaganda.

Like Freedomworks.

Like the Heritage Foundation.

Like the American Enterprise Institute.

And many, many, many others.

25 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:12:28pm

re: #23 WindUpBird

heh, well, there's sets of implements you can buy that help you work up to that level of achievement :D

Not only do I not want to know more about that, I don't want to know how you know that.

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:01pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

Looks that way, but in 1958 the Birch Society made do with the printing press. The difference is not that great. The future may prove me wrong...

Yeah, but with printing presses, you still needed massive amounts of resources to print anything of any note. You still needed a giant physical piece of equipment, and a ton of raw materials and labor. With the internet, there's zero barrier to entry. Computers are dirt cheap now, internet connections are cheap, and you can set up your on blog with no experience.

27 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:05pm

re: #19 PT Barnum

he has to button his shirts to keep the foreskin from riding up

The guy looks like one big foreskin.

28 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:06pm

More Beaker....

29 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:10pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

The problem is there's no leadership so blogs and Fox News fill the void. The blogs by themselves couldn't do this on their own. Fox has a huge megaphone and they are the main source of the problem. The blogs certainly don't help things.

It can't be corrected until someone prominent on the right takes a firm reasonable stand against Fox and the rest of the right wing media and garners more conservative support than Fox and Limbaugh. In other words, it can't be corrected. There isn't any way for the right to reign it back in.

I mean, imagine a scenario that would allow for a reasonable moderate conservative leader to emerge, gain national prominence, and drive the message back out of crazyland and into the mainstream. Such a thing couldn't be done without directly taking on Fox, Limbaugh, Palin, etc, and taking them on means you are inviting a 24/7 smear campaign directed to the very audience you might hope to reach.

There is no way home from this for the right, except off a cliff. They have no choice but to continually ratchet up the crazy until it explodes.

30 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:39pm

doesn't the second law of thermodynamics postulate that "idiotropy increases everywhere"?

31 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:13:43pm

re: #25 PT Barnum

Not only do I not want to know more about that, I don't want to know how you know that.

I figured it would just be understood that I know a lot about this stuff :D

32 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:14:15pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Don't forget the large number of hyperconservative 'think tanks', well-funded, pumping out shitloads of bizarre propaganda.

Like Freedomworks.

Like the Heritage Foundation.

Like the American Enterprise Institute.

And many, many, many others.

Most of those types of institutions have been around for decades. They are the very foundation of the conservative movement. None of this is new. This has been coming for a long, long time.

33 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:15:06pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

There is no way home from this for the right, except off a cliff. They have no choice but to continually ratchet up the crazy until it explodes.

but what if it just metastasizes instead?

34 Henchman 25  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:15:17pm

re: #30 engineer dog

They believe in none of that commie librul socialist satan science!

//

35 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:15:52pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

There isn't any way for the right to reign rein it back in.

Reign = what royalty does

Rein (as a verb) = what you do to control a horse

36 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:16:03pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Don't forget the large number of hyperconservative 'think tanks', well-funded, pumping out shitloads of bizarre propaganda.

Like Freedomworks.

Like the Heritage Foundation.

Like the American Enterprise Institute.

And many, many, many others.

Very true.

37 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:16:08pm

re: #31 WindUpBird

I figured it would just be understood that I know a lot about this stuff :D

still not an image I want to have of anybody. Course I had the comedian doctor who while giving me a sigmoidoscopy kept joking about figure out where he left his watch from the last digital exam.

Being above a certain age really sucks....the latex finger of doom keeps making its appearance.

38 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:16:13pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

I'm been thinking about this:

is the internet killing the republican party?

Probably not. The upper members of the party will always be able to morph into whatever they want to be that week. They have an extensive propaganda network in all media. They are like a hive.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:16:47pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

Basically, you'd need a Republican who was SO GOOD and who had such strong support across the board that they could essentially take leadership of the party and beat back the crazy

Colin Powell could be that guy, but I think he's it

40 CarleeCork  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:16:51pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

It can't be corrected until someone prominent on the right takes a firm reasonable stand against Fox and the rest of the right wing media and garners more conservative support than Fox and Limbaugh. In other words, it can't be corrected. There isn't any way for the right to reign it back in.


You make it sound hopeless.

41 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:18:28pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

There is no way home from this for the right, except off a cliff. They have no choice but to continually ratchet up the crazy until it explodes.

It's going to take a while for this to run its course. Republicans will eventually get tired of throwing away elections by nominating unelectable candidates. It might be a decade before we see another Republican President.

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:18:38pm

re: #37 PT Barnum

still not an image I want to have of anybody. Course I had the comedian doctor who while giving me a sigmoidoscopy kept joking about figure out where he left his watch from the last digital exam.

Being above a certain age really sucks...the latex finger of doom keeps making its appearance.

Ack, nothing worse than the doctor with inappropriate bedside manner ayiee

I have not had the sigmoidoscopy, but I did have a UTI a few years ago and OH THAT WAS NOT A GOOD TIME THUMBS DOWN

43 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:19:21pm

re: #40 CarleeCork

You make it sound hopeless.

Yes, I feel that the GOP is a lost cause. There's no way back for them, now that the asylum is being run by its occupants.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:19:53pm

re: #43 Fozzie Bear

Yes, I feel that the GOP is a lost cause. There's no way back for them, now that the asylum is being run by its occupants.

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:20:32pm

re: #43 Fozzie Bear

Yes, I feel that the GOP is a lost cause. There's no way back for them, now that the asylum is being run by its occupants.

It could be done state-by-state. The national organization looks kinda hopeless.

46 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:21:38pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

It could be done state-by-state. The national organization looks kinda hopeless.

The state organizations are by and large even crazier than the national GOP. There's not much hope to be found at the grassroots, as the grassroots is precisely what is driving this.

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:22:01pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

I'm been thinking about this:

is the internet killing the republican party?

Because what you have with the Republicans, is all these wackos in the base, these people who truly believe the most insane and horrible things, they all have far more of a voice than they ever would have pre-internet. No blogs, no avenue for a guy like this to make a mark, because the establishment GOP wouldn't let him

But nowadays, they all have voices! And they can speak to the base straight up and be just as crazy as they are, and the establishment GOP which used to keep a lid on the crazy, now they're helpless to stop it, because it's the internet, it's twitter, it's blogs, it's this hive mind full of rage that can't be controlled. And you have people with a brain on their shoulders in the GOP like Rove and Frum, just getting beaten into the ground by these bug-eyed freaks who think witchcraft is real and the president is simultaneously a muslim and a satanist

Perhaps it's killing both parties, just killing the GOP more obviously. In the pre-transistor days the electorate got a clumsy, incomplete view of all the crazy and all the good circulating through the political arteries. They responded by lumping the pols into 3 or 4 approximate parties. The Intertubes give us a much greater "Send" capacity and much finer Recieve" resolution, thus more categories. Someday we could select from 40 million or so eParties.

We now return to our regularly-scheduled screwing around.

48 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:25:21pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Perhaps it's killing both parties, just killing the GOP more obviously. In the pre-transistor days the electorate got a clumsy, incomplete view of all the crazy and all the good circulating through the political arteries. They responded by lumping the pols into 3 or 4 approximate parties. The Intertubes give us a much greater "Send" capacity and much finer Recieve" resolution, thus more categories. Someday we could select from 40 million or so eParties.

We now return to our regularly-scheduled screwing around.

If we do end up with a multi-party system, then we will have a serious problem, because our electoral system is winner-take-all, with no runoff elections. It takes 270 electoral college votes to elect a president, for example.

We would need to adopt a more parliamentary system in order for that to work.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:27:25pm

I just got a robocall from a telemarketer claiming to be from my credit card company, that seems like something that really ought to be illegal

50 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:28:12pm

re: #48 Fozzie Bear

If we do end up with a multi-party system, then we will have a serious problem, because our electoral system is winner-take-all, with no runoff elections. It takes 270 electoral college votes to elect a president, for example.

We would need to adopt a more parliamentary system in order for that to work.

How satisfying and hilarious it would be if the Tea Party set things in motion for America to adopt a more European style of government

51 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:30:53pm

OT: I sent in my absentee ballot today. I've done my part, the rest is on your hands and fists folks.

52 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:32:44pm

re: #50 WindUpBird

How satisfying and hilarious it would be if the Tea Party set things in motion for America to adopt a more European style of government

Frankly, I think we need a parliamentary system. It could work, if the way elections are managed were changed to include runoff elections. There would be loosely-based coalitions in the house and senate, temprarily uniting to pass specific bills, then realigning as the next bill comes up for a vote. It could actually work, I think.

The added bonus would be that blatantly partisan and intellectually dishonest organizations like the Heritage Foundation, the National Review,or the AEI would be forced to advocate for issues, rather than for parties. There wouldn't be much to gain by being blatantly partisan. people might actually be forced to make arguments for positions, rather than for specific candidates. It would pay to temper your language so as not to alienate potentially sympathetic legislators, rather than just throw bombs to piss off "your" half of the electorate.

53 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:32:48pm

re: #51 Jetpilot1101

OT: I sent in my absentee ballot today. I've done my part, the rest is on your hands and fists folks.

Cool...so you're free to canvas, make phone calls, etc. until election day.

54 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:33:25pm

re: #51 Jetpilot1101

OT: I sent in my absentee ballot today. I've done my part, the rest is on your hands and fists folks.

Sorry, my fists are busy with my brand new fisting kit that I recently obtained at a school function.

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:33:27pm

re: #48 Fozzie Bear

If we do end up with a multi-party system, then we will have a serious problem, because our electoral system is winner-take-all, with no runoff elections. It takes 270 electoral college votes to elect a president, for example.

We would need to adopt a more parliamentary system in order for that to work.

What I'm seeing would be way down the road, after the removal of the electoral college and other constitutional amendments. (Libs believe in that.) Of course, in the 21st century "way down the road" might mean "less than a generation".

56 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:33:59pm

re: #51 Jetpilot1101

OT: I sent in my absentee ballot today. I've done my part, the rest is on your hands and fists folks.

The NM Republicans sent me an application for an absentee ballot, but they screwed it up badly. Says to fill out a part they forgot to include. How embarrassing.

57 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:34:05pm

re: #53 darthstar

Cool...so you're free to canvas, make phone calls, etc. until election day.

Well, my work has been busy as heck lately and I am in the thick of grad school but I am going to do my part to ensure that Floridians make the right choice this November.

58 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:34:44pm

re: #57 Jetpilot1101

Well, my work has been busy as heck lately and I am in the thick of grad school but I am going to do my part to ensure that Floridians make the right choice this November.

Every little bit helps. Thanks.

59 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:35:05pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

The NM Republicans sent me an application for an absentee ballot, but they screwed it up badly. Says to fill out a part they forgot to include. How embarrassing.

An accident? Or is it ..SATAN..?

60 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:37:29pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

An accident? Or is it ..SATAN..?

What does the Security Administrator Tool for Analyzing Networks have to do with this?

//

61 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:40:39pm

Enter Dan Riehl. I was expecting him to show up. He's another dim bulb.

62 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #49 WindUpBird

I just got a robocall from a telemarketer claiming to be from my credit card company, that seems like something that really ought to be illegal

Good times. I get those all the time. Press the number and play "let me talk with your supervisor." See how many levels you can get up the food chain.

63 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:44:28pm

From the update:

Taking Up Erick Boehlert's Challenge, Or Why I Love Jim Hoft.

I guess Riehl thinks Erick son of Erick spells his name the right way.

64 Vambo  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:46:57pm

He does look like one of God's special children.

65 MarkAM  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:48:31pm

I'm a regular reader of liberal blogs and am relatively new here. I've never encountered anything like the hateful tone of Riehl's response to Boehlert in the progressive blogosphere, certainly not from a blogger and not even in the comments, as far as I can recall. It's disturbingly thuggish.

66 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:49:49pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Enter Dan Riehl. I was expecting him to show up. He's another dim bulb.

A few limp curses and insults on the net constitute "fighting the Left"? Fighting in Pittsburgh involves sutures.

67 webevintage  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:52:10pm

Folks like Hoft, Riehl and Geller (not to mention Megan McCardle) are so fucking lucky there is an internet.

68 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:56:23pm

re: #67 webevintage

Folks like Hoft, Riehl and Geller (not to mention Megan McCardle) are so fucking lucky there is an internet.

They're lucky that they're not in the looney bin...

69 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 2:10:38pm

re: #54 Fozzie Bear

Sorry, my fists are busy with my brand new fisting kit that I recently obtained at a school function.

Thank your class rep.

70 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 2:19:24pm

re: #24 Obdicut

Don't forget the large number of hyperconservative 'think tanks', well-funded, pumping out shitloads of bizarre propaganda.

Like Freedomworks.

Like the Heritage Foundation.

Like the American Enterprise Institute.

And many, many, many others.

Wingnut welfare. The people there can't be hired anywhere else so they get welfare. It's just paid for by private contributors instead of the taxpayers.

71 garhighway  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 2:19:57pm

re: #39 WindUpBird

Basically, you'd need a Republican who was SO GOOD and who had such strong support across the board that they could essentially take leadership of the party and beat back the crazy

Colin Powell could be that guy, but I think he's it

There was a time when that could have been John McCain.

So sad.

72 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 2:21:32pm

re: #71 garhighway

There was a time when that could have been John McCain.

So sad.

True that. There is an art in knowing when to get up from the table.

73 copernic  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 2:48:57pm

Conservatism has become the epitome of the very affirmative action they create as a straw man and say they hate.

Truly they allow some of the dumbest people within their ranks to ascend to power and influence so long as they have conservative credentials. I didn't truly get that until the Justice Department hirings of graduates from Regent University School of Law during the Bush administration. Before that, I thought that both parties had their share of intelligent people and those who were dumb as rocks but happened to be in the right place at the right time, or born to the right person.

But lordy, lately. . . These people are willfully ignorant and happy to be so.

Have I really been so blinded to this or is it a recent phenomenon? Am I just succumbing to confirmation bias? (for you conservatives, that means your brain tricks you into believing what it wants to believe by highlighting the misses and discarding the data that's contrary to your world view. It is a protective mechanism to avoid cognitive dissonance.)

74 Bowen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 3:34:24pm

I never even heard of him.

75 joest73  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 4:07:58pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

It can't be corrected until someone prominent on the right takes a firm reasonable stand against Fox and the rest of the right wing media and garners more conservative support than Fox and Limbaugh. In other words, it can't be corrected. There isn't any way for the right to reign it back in.

I mean, imagine a scenario that would allow for a reasonable moderate conservative leader to emerge, gain national prominence, and drive the message back out of crazyland and into the mainstream. Such a thing couldn't be done without directly taking on Fox, Limbaugh, Palin, etc, and taking them on means you are inviting a 24/7 smear campaign directed to the very audience you might hope to reach.

There is no way home from this for the right, except off a cliff. They have no choice but to continually ratchet up the crazy until it explodes.

Yet.... with all of this....the Democrats are going to get trounced in November. The same thing happened to the Republicans in 2006. It took the Republicans six years to completely turn off the majority of the country. The democrats will manage this feat in two short years.
The cycle continues......

76 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 4:57:08pm

re: #75 joest73

But you forget how a republican congress strengthened President Clinton.

77 joest73  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 5:26:22pm

re: #76 prairiefire

But you forget how a republican congress strengthened President Clinton.

And they got him re-elected......

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 5:29:53pm

re: #62 Jeff In Ohio

Good times. I get those all the time. Press the number and play "let me talk with your supervisor." See how many levels you can get up the food chain.

I work from home, I don't have the energy to play with them ;_;

My policy now is generally to hang up on any recording calling me unless they immediately identify themselves as being from A Thing I Use Regularly (which happened a few weeks ago, my card was put on hold because I bought a bunch of camping supplies for BM at the last minute, and the robocall told me why)

79 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 6:16:17pm

re: #78 WindUpBird

I work from home, I don't have the energy to play with them ;_;

My policy now is generally to hang up on any recording calling me unless they immediately identify themselves as being from A Thing I Use Regularly (which happened a few weeks ago, my card was put on hold because I bought a bunch of camping supplies for BM at the last minute, and the robocall told me why)

Yes, the robo call route is very helpful and easy to resolve. You just say "yes" it is approved. The worst we had happen was a theft of the cc number and extravagant gift baskets being bought with it at a location in Denver, probably a money laundering operation. That card had to be canceled.

80 sffilk  Thu, Sep 23, 2010 8:36:06am

Charles, have you considered suing this "person" for things like libel and stuff?

81 mph  Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:40:15pm

Jesus...

"pimp slammed like some silly biatch"


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