Chris Matthews has been on a roll; in today’s show he took a closer look at Glenn Beck’s latest incoherent fear fantasies and Frank Gaffney’s paranoid theory that the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over pretty much everything. (With Eugene Robinson and Eric Boehlert.)
Matthews also had some good closing comments on the subject:
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:46:20pm |
again I have no TV, but I do have some concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood... It's an infidel thing.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:47:51pm |
re: #1 brookly red
again I have no TV, but I do have some concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood... It's an infidel thing.
Watch the links provided.
;)
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:48:47pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:53:54pm |
re: #3 brookly red
will they make me less concerned about the MB?
There's a difference between being concerned about the MB, and being outright paranoid about them. A lot on the right are the latter.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:54:00pm |
Not bombing priceless archaeological treasures = CALIPHATE!
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:55:28pm |
Didn't we take a Japanese city of the bombing list during WW2 because of its historical importance?
/SAMURAI CALIPHATE!
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:55:31pm |
re: #4 Varek Raith
They are absolutely something to worry about. They are not the only people involved. And though they're present in many places, they obviously have divisions and fractions inside them, too.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:56:08pm |
re: #4 Varek Raith
There's a difference between being concerned about the MB, and being outright paranoid about them. A lot on the right are the latter.
Gosh, your right... Hitler would never invade Poland, silly me.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:56:29pm |
re: #1 brookly red
again I have no TV, but I do have some concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood... It's an infidel thing.
I'm very concerned by the MB. I just don't think it is a valid reason to deny the sane people in Egypt liberty.
MB, even if they do get a seat in a new democracy won't have complete control. They will still have to work with the other factions. And if they do get seats and focus on extremist goals instead of governance then I don't think they would last through the next round of elections. They need that treaty money.
Just like how I am concerned about the Tea Party, but it wasn't the end of the world when they got some of their wackos elected. Just a minor problem that we can hope to rectify at the next elections.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:57:17pm |
re: #7 Obdicut
They are absolutely something to worry about. They are not the only people involved. And though they're present in many places, they obviously have divisions and fractions inside them, too.
I'm not saying they are not.
re: #8 brookly red
Gosh, your right... Hitler would never invade Poland, silly me.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Ming Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:57:51pm |
There is a point where those who put Glenn Beck on TV have some moral responsibility for the consequences of his speech. There are many people who are impaired in some way, from the really sick shooter in Tucson, to many others who may simply be old, frail, or not informed about political events in great detail. These people really believe what Glenn Beck says! Most of them won't turn to violence, but the bad feelings alone that are caused by these ravings is really a tragedy. I'm sure there are strains in many American families because of this. I know there is plenty of truly evil rhetoric from liberals as well, e.g. about Israel. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. Someone like Glenn Beck should not be given such a wide TV audience. It is, simply, immoral for Fox News to continue to have him on the air.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:57:55pm |
More people are starting to notice what Fox News has become. Believe it or not most conservatives aren't regular Fox News viewers. Just a few days ago a conservative neighbor of mine mentioned he turned on Fox for coverage of Egypt and couldn't believe what he saw. He asked "where did this come from". I told him about Glenn Beck and the Birch society. he replied "the Flouride in the water guys? I thought they went away decades ago".
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Lidane Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:58:20pm |
re: #8 brookly red
Not everything has to be compared to Hitler, y'know. Just sayin'.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:58:29pm |
re: #7 Obdicut
I see that the real libelous loons have now showed up at TPM -- including the latest sleazy little smear they're passing around, that Pamela Geller "jilted" me and that's why I criticize her. As if. There are few things that fill me with more dread than the thought of ever being personally involved with Pamela Geller.
Thanks for posting. There's no way to stop the loons once they get going, though.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:58:55pm |
re: #9 prononymous
I'm very concerned by the MB. I just don't think it is a valid reason to deny the sane people in Egypt liberty.
MB, even if they do get a seat in a new democracy won't have complete control. They will still have to work with the other factions. And if they do get seats and focus on extremist goals instead of governance then I don't think they would last through the next round of elections. They need that treaty money.
Just like how I am concerned about the Tea Party, but it wasn't the end of the world when they got some of their wackos elected. Just a minor problem that we can hope to rectify at the next elections.
perhaps yes, that is what they said about Iran... I will remain concerned.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:59:09pm |
re: #8 brookly red
Gosh, your right... Hitler would never invade Poland, silly me.
Fucking Godwined within 8 posts, with a really stupid attack. Great job, Brookly.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:59:46pm |
re: #15 brookly red
perhaps yes, that is what they said about Iran... I will remain concerned.
That's what who said about Iran?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:00:21pm |
re: #16 Obdicut
Fucking Godwined within 8 posts, with a really stupid attack. Great job, Brookly.
I hope you feel so righteous a year from now.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:00:22pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:00:39pm |
There is a difference between concern and paranoia.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:00:41pm |
re: #14 Charles
No problem. Did you notice they're treating me as if I'm you? It's really fucking bizarre. Have they really convinced themselves that you have a bunch of socks here and are talking to yourself? That's so bizarre.
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Lidane Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:01:17pm |
re: #14 Charles
They're still going over there? Wow. I can't imagine the thought process required to chase a blogger that you don't like around the internet. Makes no damned sense.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:01:24pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is a difference between concern and paranoia.
That's what I was saying!
But I get nazi crap thrown at me.
Wheee!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:01:54pm |
Since this thread has already been Godwined.
First video, 6:22. Ahah!
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:02:18pm |
re: #18 brookly red
I hope you feel so righteous a year from now.
Comparing saying that Muslim brotherhood are a danger but that some are paranoid about it to dismissing Hitler's desire for Lebensraum and conquest is fucking moronic.
The Muslim Brotherhood might actually start a war with Israel. It's entirely possible, although I think unlikely.
Not everything is fucking Hitler.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:02:33pm |
re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is a difference between concern and paranoia.
yes of course.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:03:33pm |
re: #23 Varek Raith
That's what I was saying!
But I get nazi crap thrown at me.
Wheee!
A likely story. You know who else made that claim? Nazis.
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:04:27pm |
re: #18 brookly red
I hope you feel so righteous a year from now.
Brookly, you don't seem to understand that this is not about MB in Egypt. Watch the videos.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:05:13pm |
re: #25 Obdicut
Comparing saying that Muslim brotherhood are a danger but that some are paranoid about it to dismissing Hitler's desire for Lebensraum and conquest is fucking moronic.
The Muslim Brotherhood might actually start a war with Israel. It's entirely possible, although I think unlikely.
Not everything is fucking Hitler.
not Hitler, Chamberlain...
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:06:23pm |
re: #28 Sergey Romanov
Brookly, you don't seem to understand that this is not about MB in Egypt. Watch the videos.
It's about the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CONTROLLING THE OBAMA ADMIN!!!
/Gaffney is nuts.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:07:26pm |
re: #30 Varek Raith
It's about the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CONTROLLING THE OBAMA ADMIN!!!
/Gaffney is nuts.
[brookly mode on:]
huh? ok. still a bit concerned.
[off]
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:08:21pm |
It's about time someone took on beck and his crap.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:08:32pm |
re: #28 Sergey Romanov
Brookly, you don't seem to understand that this is not about MB in Egypt. Watch the videos.
If I wanted to watch stupid people I would buy a TV? No, I will pass on the videos, but thank you.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:09:14pm |
re: #30 Varek Raith
It's about the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CONTROLLING THE OBAMA ADMIN!!!
/Gaffney is nuts.
And who controls the Muslim Brotherhood? THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CABAL!
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:09:55pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:10:01pm |
re: #33 brookly red
Man, nothing like commenting from a position of perfect ignorance and accusing other people of ignoring Hitler, eh?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:10:17pm |
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:10:36pm |
Glenn Beck is Shitler. Won't link to what shitler is...but you can assume it's not safe for dinner time.
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Turkey Jihad Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:10:52pm |
How did this Frank Gaffney clown get on Fox News? Oh, wait...
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:11:35pm |
re: #36 Obdicut
Man, nothing like commenting from a position of perfect ignorance and accusing other people of ignoring Hitler, eh?
You know who else did that?
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:12:19pm |
Oy, let's start over.
1 - It's perfectly ok to be concerned about the MB in Egypt. The MB sucks.
2 - It's perfectly paranoid to believe that the MB is controlling American foreign policy with the ultimate goal of creating a Caliphate.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:12:25pm |
re: #36 Obdicut
Man, nothing like commenting from a position of perfect ignorance and accusing other people of ignoring Hitler, eh?
Not at all, I don't claim ignorance- not at all. I say history repeats it self & we need to tread carefully.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:13:29pm |
re: #41 Varek Raith
2 - It's perfectly paranoid to believe that the MB is controlling American foreign policy with the ultimate goal of creating a Caliphate.
[brookly mode on:]
you would think that.
[off]
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:13:51pm |
Damn, it must be a horrid life when your mind is constantly fearful of what might happen if the bad guys live up to those terrifying expectations.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:15:12pm |
re: #44 b_sharp
They're not even fearful about it happening. They're convinced it's already happened. Or they want to convince others it's already happened.
Clown college.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:15:51pm |
re: #43 Sergey Romanov
[brookly mode on:]
you would think that.
[off]
You are an ass you know. so what if I had just said Germany (and be careful because I am a Jew of German descent) instead of saying Hitler? Would that change things?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:16:15pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
They're not even fearful about it happening. They're convinced it's already happened. Or they want to convince others it's already happened.
Clown college.
The first step to coping with invasion of the Neptune Men is admitting that you've been invaded by the Neptune Men.
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KingKenrod Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:16:40pm |
Matthews is trying to have a rational discussion about Beck's ideas, but he seems to be missing the point that Beck's ideas aren't rational, they are straight from biblical prophecy that these are the "end times", and the enemies of Christ are uniting to form a one-world government. Once you understand that, there's no need to try to make sense of it, it simply needs to be exposed. I wonder if Matthews is even aware of that this is the source of Beck's theories?
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:16:56pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
They're not even fearful about it happening. They're convinced it's already happened. Or they want to convince others it's already happened.
Clown college.
All we have to fear..Is fear itself
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Bubblehead II Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:17:07pm |
re: #14 Charles
Well, if you did have a "personal relationship" with her, I hope you A. Put a paper bag over her face and B. Went in for rabbis treatment immediately afterwards.
Now if you will excuse me, the mere thought of having a personal relationship with the harpy has the porcelain Goddess calling me.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:17:39pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:17:53pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:18:37pm |
re: #42 brookly red
Not at all, I don't claim ignorance- not at all. I say history repeats it self & we need to tread carefully.
He didn't say anything about claiming.
So how do we tread lightly, exactly?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:18:49pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
and Hitler.
Didn't you hear? Robo-Lincoln already blew away Zombie Hitler.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:19:30pm |
re: #46 brookly red
You are an ass you know. so what if I had just said Germany (and be careful because I am a Jew of German descent) instead of saying Hitler? Would that change things?
The point is, Charles, Matthews and we here don't downplay MB's danger, contrary to what you have implied in #1. We mock conspiracy theories. As you would have known if you would just watch the videos.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:19:38pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
They're not even fearful about it happening. They're convinced it's already happened. Or they want to convince others it's already happened.
Clown college.
The customers of that snake oil are led down that path because they embrace the fear. It has become part of them. They live daily with a non-specific fear that just cries out for direction. These nutbars are only too happy to give them what they want.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:19:41pm |
re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The first step to coping with invasion of the Neptune Men is admitting that you've been invaded by the Neptune Men.
And in case that was too obscure
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:20:50pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
Didn't you hear? Robo-Lincoln already blew away Zombie Hitler.
And the Inflatable Fuehrer has been dealt with by Frylock... Perhaps there is hope.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:21:09pm |
re: #53 prononymous
He didn't say anything about claiming.
So how do we tread lightly, exactly?
easy... stop claiming to know shit and look at things for face value. This may just change the game.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:22:02pm |
re: #59 brookly red
easy... stop claiming to know shit and look at things for face value. This may just change the game.
Holy crap what a master statement of jack shit.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:22:58pm |
re: #58 Sergey Romanov
And the Inflatable Fuehrer has been dealt with by Frylock... Perhaps there is hope.
Professor Farnsworth with the lasergun in the past.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:23:19pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
Holy crap what a master statement of jack shit.
why don't you put your hate aside and just consider the possibilities?
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:23:36pm |
re: #59 brookly red
easy... stop claiming to know shit and look at things for face value. This may just change the game.
Brookly, it's the conspiracy theorists, like Beck who are poking around between the lines, completely ignoring 'face value'.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:23:40pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:23:54pm |
re: #59 brookly red
easy... stop claiming to know shit and look at things for face value. This may just change the game.
Wow. So profound.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:24:33pm |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Know what else could change the game?
Taking my ball and going home.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:24:44pm |
re: #63 brookly red
why don't you put your hate aside and just consider the possibilities?
That Imohotep rises and fulfills the Mummy's curse?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:24:47pm |
re: #63 brookly red
why don't you put your hate aside and just consider the possibilities?
Why not stop talking out your ass, in a thread where you haven't bothered to actually watch the videos so that you know what other people are actually fucking talking about?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:24:51pm |
So somehow I am the enemy, an the MB is AOK? interesting.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:25:12pm |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Know what else could change the game?
Or sharks with frikken lasers.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:25:15pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:25:29pm |
re: #70 brookly red
So somehow I am the enemy, an the MB is AOK? interesting.
Who said the MB is aok?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:25:33pm |
This reminds me of when albusteve told me to reject the MB, right now!
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:25:59pm |
re: #70 brookly red
So somehow I am the enemy, an the MB is AOK? interesting.
Who said the MB is AOK? Who even implied that?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:26:03pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:26:51pm |
Crowdsourcing the killed in Egypt: [Link: spreadsheets.google.com...]
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:27:08pm |
re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That Imohotep rises and fulfills the Mummy's curse?
Gamma ray burst.
Tomorrow, 3:13 pm.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:27:17pm |
re: #73 Varek Raith
Who said the MB is aok?
Yeah, I was shocked too (that he didn't say "refudiate").
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:27:59pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:28:01pm |
re: #79 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, I was shocked too (that he didn't say "refudiate").
Sorry, that was to #74.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:28:31pm |
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:29:37pm |
re: #48 KingKenrod
I don't know how rational it is to basically equivocate Beck's rhetoric with Jihadist. I know he didn't say jihadist specifically but he is drawing the parallel.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:29:42pm |
re: #79 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, I was shocked too (that he didn't say "refudiate").
OK I will recall the drone... I read the manual & know how to do that now.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:29:46pm |
re: #82 brookly red
I see no condemnation...
So what, you think we are worried for their future well being?
I CONDEMN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. Is that good enough for you?
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:29:52pm |
life will be so much easier after the communist liberal fascist islamic one world government finally takes over and establishes compulsory atheism, sharia law, forced homosexuality, world currency, and takes away our guns
it's the anticipation that's killing me
and don't forget the greatest evil of all: raising the capital gains rate!!!
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:29:58pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:30:15pm |
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:30:22pm |
re: #85 prononymous
So what, you think we are worried for their future well being?
I CONDEMN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. Is that good enough for you?
yes, that is good place to start...
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:30:51pm |
re: #83 Lateralis
I don't know how rational it is to basically equivocate Beck's rhetoric with Jihadist. I know he didn't say jihadist specifically but he is drawing the parallel.
What are the salient differences?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:31:08pm |
re: #90 brookly red
yes, that is good place to start...
Oh, but I haven't seen YOU say it. Sympathizer! ///
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:31:26pm |
re: #59 brookly red
easy... stop claiming to know shit and look at things for face value. This may just change the game.
Yes as if anyone here actually has any say whatsoever, you included.
What a load of bunk a rama.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:32:02pm |
re: #90 brookly red
yes, that is good place to start...
Do you have a list handy of all the people and groups we need to explicitly condemn so we don't imply they're AOK and hunky dorry?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:32:33pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:07pm |
Dang it. Partial power outage. Heater is off and had to plug in the computer and phone to another outlet that works. I can feel the cold air starting to work its way in.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:07pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:12pm |
I sure wish this was subtitled:
Madman thinks that the protester in Tahrir Squire was a quarrel between a husband and wife
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:28pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
On second thought, forget the ball.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:32pm |
re: #94 Jadespring
Yes as if anyone here actually has any say whatsoever, you included.
What a load of bunk a rama.
Hey now, what I say here has GLOBAL IMPACT. Don't be trying to convince me otherwise.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:32pm |
You do not hit Anderson Cooper in the face...
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:44pm |
re: #90 brookly red
yes, that is good place to start...
Here's a another place. I CONDEMN EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT BROOKLY THINKS SHOULD BE CONDEMNED.
A carte blanch disclaimer. There that should free everything up.
Moving on now.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:33:47pm |
I hereby condemn and refudiate MB and Hitler.
Whew, in the clear now.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:34:08pm |
OK, it seems that my insight makes some folks uncomfortable... so I will log out and let it be what it will be.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:34:23pm |
re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We'll get our own ball, with strippers and blackjack
But your ball won't be blue, I bet.
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:34:24pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
Beck can be totally out there with his theories but last time I checked he hasn't asked anybody to blow themselves up in crowded market.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:34:42pm |
re: #104 Sergey Romanov
I hereby condemn and refudiate MB and Hitler.
Whew, in the clear now.
Meteor Blades is one of my favorite dKos front pagers...why refudiate him?
/
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:34:42pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:35:14pm |
re: #105 brookly red
There is no insight in what you have been posting. It is trite.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:35:14pm |
re: #105 brookly red
OK, it seems that my insight makes some folks uncomfortable... so I will log out and let it be what it will be.
Insight...is that what that was? Thanks.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:35:14pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
Dang it. Partial power outage. Heater is off and had to plug in the computer and phone to another outlet that works. I can feel the cold air starting to work its way in.
Breaker go?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:35:52pm |
re: #107 Lateralis
Beck can be totally out there with his theories but last time I checked he hasn't asked anybody to blow themselves up in crowded market.
He's said that Obama is actively attempting to destroy America. He's said that Pelosi will need to shoot Van Jones in the head. Remember that bit?
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:36:13pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:36:31pm |
re: #112 b_sharp
Breaker go?
Might be something like that. It's outside and affecting the whole building. Apartment building. Heard a bang and the power went off simultaneously.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:36:31pm |
re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Binary coding
MBs are too small for a 32 bit world
they need to run GB candidates so they can keep up with the bandwidth demands
next: the terabyte brotherhood strikes!
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bratwurst Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:36:38pm |
re: #105 brookly red
OK, it seems that my insight makes some folks uncomfortable... so I will log out and let it be what it will be.
Like a cockroach, I suspect your self-righteousness is capable of surviving a nuclear winter.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:37:00pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Might be something like that. It's outside and affecting the whole building. Apartment building. Heard a bang and the power went off simultaneously.
But localized in this building.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:37:50pm |
re: #114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just south of Santa's Village...
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:38:03pm |
re: #115 darthstar
Hope they catch the bastard before someone gets killed.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:38:38pm |
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:39:16pm |
re: #122 darthstar
I'm visiting San Francisco in a couple of weeks. Gonna be painful to leave it again.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:39:30pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:40:05pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:40:46pm |
re: #74 000G
This reminds me of when albusteve told me to reject the MB, right now!
can you provide the context?....I can
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:41:47pm |
re: #123 Obdicut
I'm visiting San Francisco in a couple of weeks. Gonna be painful to leave it again.
I love the City
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:41:50pm |
re: #126 albusteve
Go ahead. :-)
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:41:52pm |
re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Texas
Can you be more specific? He owes me a few ... 'items' ... that I'd like to collect on, but he doesn't return my calls.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:42:47pm |
re: #126 albusteve
can you provide the context?...I can
Context? Context? We don't need no stinkin' context.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:45:02pm |
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:46:28pm |
re: #129 000G
Go ahead. :-)
you were having a hard time accepting the fact that the MB is nothing more than a disruptive, extremist group....no matter the links provided you still could not cop to reality...that was several days ago, and if I told you to reject the MB (I doubt it) that would be the context...everyone should reject the MB as a part of the solution to Egypts problems....hopefully you took all KT's work providing links seriously instead of trying to convince me the MB is just a benign, old club of has beens
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:46:53pm |
re: #116 Gus 802
Might be something like that. It's outside and affecting the whole building. Apartment building. Heard a bang and the power went off simultaneously.
Transformer.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:47:43pm |
re: #136 b_sharp
Transformer.
Yeah. Same one apparently. Thing went out 4 times since November. It's snowing here now.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:47:49pm |
re: #90 brookly red
yes, that is good place to start...
Then you must support Aum Shinrikyo.
Never heard you condemn them...
/I can play your silly game too.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:48:11pm |
the regime's Muslim-Brotherhood-taking-over propaganda
seriously, the nazis got a lot of mileage, even in the u.s., out of the idea that they were the only ones who were standing up to stalin and actively fighting communism
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:48:45pm |
Kaboom!
George W. Bush Worried That America Is Becoming 'Nativist' (VIDEO)
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Vdare.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:48:50pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
Yeehaa!
[Video]
The owner was just checking the suspension and getting ready to change the fluids.
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:49:14pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
Did he literally mean shoot him in the head? Come on. Sorry but Glenn Beck is not in the same league as Osama even as much as Chris Mathews would like him to be. I think Mathews is jockeying to fill the ranting far left void Olbermann left behind.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:49:47pm |
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:50:09pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
Yeah. Same one apparently. Thing went out 4 times since November. It's snowing here now.
I think your power company needs to upgrade the lines or look for an overdraw.
Oh, yes, and live up to their responsibility.
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:50:17pm |
I don't know what this means. I wrote a rant a couple of threads back on the Egyptian Military Wins thread, it was o/t concerning the FT. Hood shooter and how the press is not connecting the dots on the story. Later I went to Huff Po to look at their headlines and there was the Ft. Hood story. I read it and it was missing alot like the story on MSNBC story I heard. I wrote a paragraph basically ranting like I did here. I left and came back 30 min ago to check if anybody replied to my post and the story was gone. Strange, it was a new story. I put in my commenter name to look back at my comment and found that I had a new follower: FNBS Media.com. The story is still not back. Does this mean something?
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:50:57pm |
Very very good Pacifica Radio broadcast today on Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now."
Mostly about Egypt.
Credit where credit is due.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:51:19pm |
re: #134 albusteve
you were having a hard time accepting the fact that the MB is nothing more than a disruptive, extremist group...no matter the links provided you still could not cop to reality...that was several days ago, and if I told you to reject the MB (I doubt it) that would be the context...everyone should reject the MB as a part of the solution to Egypts problems...hopefully you took all KT's work providing links seriously instead of trying to convince me the MB is just a benign, old club of has beens
lol, not at all what happened but a funny demonstration of bizarre twisting of history.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:51:49pm |
re: #144 b_sharp
I think your power company needs to upgrade the lines or look for an overdraw.
Oh, yes, and live up to their responsibility.
That's what the landlady was talking about. The wiring is pretty bad back in the alleyway. Not sure if they're here yet but they said it'll be 1 to 4 hours. I think about 45 minutes already elapsed. Don't hear a truck back there either.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:51:58pm |
re: #145 justaminute
I don't know what this means. I wrote a rant a couple of threads back on the Egyptian Military Wins thread, it was o/t concerning the FT. Hood shooter and how the press is not connecting the dots on the story. Later I went to Huff Po to look at their headlines and there was the Ft. Hood story. I read it and it was missing alot like the story on MSNBC story I heard. I wrote a paragraph basically ranting like I did here. I left and came back 30 min ago to check if anybody replied to my post and the story was gone. Strange, it was a new story. I put in my commenter name to look back at my comment and found that I had a new follower: FNBS Media.com. The story is still not back. Does this mean something?
Aliens.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:52:28pm |
Is it to late for me to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood or is Hitler still intent on over running Poland?
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:53:04pm |
re: #142 Lateralis
I think you're deflecting for Beck.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:53:13pm |
re: #148 Gus 802
That's what the landlady was talking about. The wiring is pretty bad back in the alleyway. Not sure if they're here yet but they said it'll be 1 to 4 hours. I think about 45 minutes already elapsed. Don't hear a truck back there either.
Well. cuddle up to your system to stay warm.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:53:52pm |
re: #147 000G
lol, not at all what happened but a funny demonstration of bizarre twisting of history.
it is what happened and you know it....you spent a lot of time softballing the MB...probably never heard of them til a few days ago...why do you think KT went to all the trouble to provide that stuff for you?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:53:53pm |
re: #1 brookly red
again I have no TV, but I do have some concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood... It's an infidel thing.
For me it's really a 'level of concern' thing. I have concern about the Muslim Brotherhood, but I'm not on the verge of nervous collapse.
I have concern about the U.S. economy as well, but I'm not buying special survival seeds and planting gold.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:54:02pm |
re: #150 Jeff In Ohio
Is it to late for me to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood or is Hitler still intent on over running Poland?
Hitler's on strike for better working conditions.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:54:46pm |
re: #150 Jeff In Ohio
Is it to late for me to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood or is Hitler still intent on over running Poland?
Too late.
CommieNaziJihadi!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:55:49pm |
re: #4 Varek Raith
There's a difference between being concerned about the MB, and being outright paranoid about them. A lot on the right are the latter.
And a lot on the left are buying the 'moderate social improvement society' line without bothering to read more than a couple of reassuring articles on Salon.
Mostly, people are trying to fit what's happening in Egypt into their idea of how the world works.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:56:15pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:57:02pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:57:03pm |
Maria Schneider, actress in 'Last Tango in Paris,' dies at 58
'Last Tango in Paris' is considered a classic, but it also included notorious sex scenes. In her later years, Maria Schneider expressed regret about appearing in the film, saying 'I felt a little raped' by costar Marlon Brando and director Bernardo Bertolucci...
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:57:23pm |
re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist
And a lot on the left are buying the 'moderate social improvement society' line without bothering to read more than a couple of reassuring articles on Salon.
Mostly, people are trying to fit what's happening in Egypt into their idea of how the world works.
I think this is very true...good point
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:57:43pm |
re: #154 albusteve
it is what happened and you know it...you spent a lot of time softballing the MB...probably never heard of them til a few days ago...why do you think KT went to all the trouble to provide that stuff for you?
As if I needed KT to know about the MB, yeah yeah. Like the MB's history was some sort of arcane, esoteric knowledge that nobody else could have looked up. I knew about the MB long ago, even before I found LGF. And if anyone wants to check out that your retelling of the context of you telling me to reject the MB is pure baloney: See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] (comments #196ff).
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:58:43pm |
re: #152 Varek Raith
I think you're deflecting for Beck.
Hardly. I disagree with Mathews comparison.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:59:05pm |
re: #8 brookly red
Gosh, your right... Hitler would never invade Poland, silly me.
The Muslim Brotherhood are going to invade Poland?
//Just because Hitler invaded Poland does not mean that every single bad scenario in subsequent history is bound to happen. At least, I sure hope not.
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makeitstop Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:00:14pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
Yeehaa!
[Video]
I can honestly say that's the first time I've ever seen something like that.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:01:11pm |
re: #166 makeitstop
I can honestly say that's the first time I've ever seen something like that.
Same here. That must be some rather compact snow and an almost perfectly balanced car.
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Henchman 26 Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:01:39pm |
BBL.
I'm going to go play with my new mill some more.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:03:00pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
How does one get the car down wheels first, and not roof first?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:03:25pm |
re: #29 brookly red
not Hitler, Chamberlain...
Can we let Neville Chamberlain rest in his grave now? The man has been dead for seventy years.
And given that no one is going to war over Egypt, it's silly to pretend that there is any sort of parallel.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:04:09pm |
re: #6 Varek Raith
Didn't we take a Japanese city of the bombing list during WW2 because of its historical importance?
/SAMURAI CALIPHATE!
Kyoto
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:04:11pm |
re: #166 makeitstop
I can honestly say that's the first time I've ever seen something like that.
me too, but one time I exited off the highway, in Denver, curved down to the bottom of the ramp and there in front of me was a car sitting on top of a double guardrail, perfectly balanced as if someone picked it up and gently set it there
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:04:35pm |
re: #41 Varek Raith
Oy, let's start over.
1 - It's perfectly ok to be concerned about the MB in Egypt. The MB sucks.
2 - It's perfectly paranoid to believe that the MB is controlling American foreign policy with the ultimate goal of creating a Caliphate.
Quite agree!
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:05:12pm |
re: #169 ProLifeLiberal
How does one get the car down wheels first, and not roof first?
Winch it back from the top and in the direction of the undercarriage. Then hope the end stuck in the snow holds.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:06:23pm |
re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That Imohotep rises and fulfills the Mummy's curse?
My mother keeps thinking that Ramses II, or Thutmose III, or one of them, is going to come back.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:06:33pm |
re: #169 ProLifeLiberal
How does one get the car down wheels first, and not roof first?
More here...
The crew rushed to prevent the car from tipping over, securing it with struts and a cable winch. About 15 minutes after their arrival, the firefighters were able to pop open the door — about 6 feet off the ground — and get the woman out.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:07:09pm |
re: #74 000G
This reminds me of when albusteve told me to reject the MB, right now!
I completely reject the MB. They wouldn't let me join, anyway.
This does not change anything, however.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:09:05pm |
re: #88 b_sharp
Lack of condemnation is support? In what world?
We get into this thing around here, where discussing a whole situation, instead of sticking to one basic moral judgement, is considered to be an endorsement of whoever you're discussing.
I ran afoul of it early in my LGF career, when I mentioned that Arab culture has a sappy romantic streak a mile wide, and was roundly denounced.
| 179 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:09:50pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
We get into this thing around here, where discussing a whole situation, instead of sticking to one basic moral judgement, is considered to be an endorsement of whoever you're discussing.
I ran afoul of it early in my LGF career, when I mentioned that Arab culture has a sappy romantic streak a mile wide, and was roundly denounced.
Ah, those were the days.
/
| 180 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:09:50pm |
re: #94 Jadespring
Yes as if anyone here actually has any say whatsoever, you included.
What a load of bunk a rama.
That's pretty much it. No one is asking for my opinion on how Egypt should be run.
I'm just standing by, and squinting nervously at Gaza from time to time.
| 181 |
Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:13:07pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
That's pretty much it. No one is asking for my opinion on how Egypt should be run.
I'm just standing by, and squinting nervously at Gaza from time to time.
What is your assessment of the geopolitical and geoeconomic situation of Alexandria as it pertains to the French Revolution had the dinosaurs lived?
;)
| 182 |
Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:13:14pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
We get into this thing around here, where discussing a whole situation, instead of sticking to one basic moral judgement, is considered to be an endorsement of whoever you're discussing.
I ran afoul of it early in my LGF career, when I mentioned that Arab culture has a sappy romantic streak a mile wide, and was roundly denounced.
Actually it does. In fact "One Thousand and One Nights" used to be very popular in the USA in a variety of formats.
| 183 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:13:34pm |
re: #101 b_sharp
Hey now, what I say here has GLOBAL IMPACT. Don't be trying to convince me otherwise.
Someone once actually warned me to watch what I was saying about Ahmedinejad being a limited threat, because people could be lulled into not taking sufficient action against Iran.
I pointed out that my influence over US foreign policy pretty much begins and ends with voting for the president. This person then told me that Obama's administration surely reads the comment threads here.
| 184 |
Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:13:51pm |
Probably shouldn't have said "actually". Strange speaking habit creeping into my typing.
| 185 |
Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:14:54pm |
re: #142 Lateralis
Did he literally mean shoot him in the head? Come on. Sorry but Glenn Beck is not in the same league as Osama even as much as Chris Mathews would like him to be. I think Mathews is jockeying to fill the ranting far left void Olbermann left behind.
Nobody is saying he's the same as Osama, jackass.
What is this? Did someone declare this the thread of really fucking stupid comparisons when I wasn't looking?
Beck's rhetoric is paranoid, incessantly painting the opposition as morally bankrupt, needing to be stopped at all cost, hell-bent on the destruction of all that is good. He is apocalyptic. He preaches violent revolution, violent solutions, while worming away from actual responsibility.
And the twisted pictures he paints have already inspired people to go shoot those he called out as enemies.
| 186 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:14:55pm |
| 187 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:14:56pm |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
This person then told me that Obama's administration surely reads the comment threads here.
Seriously?
LOL
Okay that made my night.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:15:01pm |
| 189 |
Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:16:02pm |
re: #183 SanFranciscoZionist
This person then told me that Obama's administration surely reads the comment threads here.
There not the most important viewer, we got SpaceJesus.
| 190 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:17:16pm |
re: #142 Lateralis
Did he literally mean shoot him in the head? Come on. Sorry but Glenn Beck is not in the same league as Osama even as much as Chris Mathews would like him to be. I think Mathews is jockeying to fill the ranting far left void Olbermann left behind.
He's definitely not in the same league as bin Laden.
He might, frankly, be in the same league as Father Coughlin.
(I'm seeing if the Father Coughlin defender will come back. I found her fascinating.)
| 191 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:17:44pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
What is your assessment of the geopolitical and geoeconomic situation of Alexandria as it pertains to the French Revolution had the dinosaurs lived?
;)
re: #184 Gus 802
Probably shouldn't have said "actually". Strange speaking habit creeping into my typing.
ME..ME.. I KNOW!! If it weren't for the French Revolution, Napoleon's thugs wouldn't have found the Rossetta Stone near Alexandria, and the dinosaurs did survive to become today's cordon bleu. May I have a hall pass, now?
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:18:23pm |
re: #14 Charles
I see that the real libelous loons have now showed up at TPM -- including the latest sleazy little smear they're passing around, that Pamela Geller "jilted" me and that's why I criticize her. As if. There are few things that fill me with more dread than the thought of ever being personally involved with Pamela Geller.
Thanks for posting. There's no way to stop the loons once they get going, though.
To paraphrase the late, great George Carlin, I wouldn't fuck Pamz with a stolen dick...
;-P
| 193 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:18:35pm |
Well, looks like the professional press is just about terrorized out of business now. I suppose this provides a little more work space for the next phase of the powers that be clean up there. Probably a bad day tomorrow for your agitator types in Cairo.
| 194 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:19:28pm |
re: #150 Jeff In Ohio
Is it to late for me to condemn the Muslim Brotherhood or is Hitler still intent on over running Poland?
I was watching an old episode of "Mercy" where a guy comes in and is trying to get rid of a hand he had surgically grafted on, because he's found out the original owner was a convicted pedophile.
One of the nurses is trying to talk him out of it, and he says, "So, if someone took Hitler's head, and sewed it on to you, you'd be OK with that?"
She says, "That's kind of different."
He says, "Answer the question, Hitler-head."
| 195 |
Lidane Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:19:29pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
Kaboom!
George W. Bush Worried That America Is Becoming 'Nativist' (VIDEO)
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Vdare.
Pfft. Everyone knows Dubya's a RINO anyway. =P
| 196 |
Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:20:04pm |
@EricBoehlert
Limbaugh mocks NYT reporters getting attacked in Egypt; changes tune when learns Fox reporter attacked; [Link: bit.ly...] #gross
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:20:36pm |
re: #193 The Shadow Do
Well, looks like the professional press is just about terrorized out of business now. I suppose this provides a little more work space for the next phase of the powers that be clean up there. Probably a bad day tomorrow for your agitator types in Cairo.
Yeah, the death threats to journalists are very bad for a country that relies on tourism. I suspect the end of the protests will probably happen soon.
| 198 |
Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:21:10pm |
re: #195 Lidane
Pfft. Everyone knows Dubya's a RINO anyway. =P
Malkin was always experiencing a brain aneurysm everytime she spoke of his proposed immigration reforms.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:21:41pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
@EricBoehlert
Limbaugh mocks NYT reporters getting attacked in Egypt; changes tune when learns Fox reporter attacked; [Link: bit.ly...] #gross
I'm flabbergasted!
Stupefied!
Shockedzorzed!
Or, not.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:22:26pm |
re: #161 Gus 802
Maria Schneider, actress in 'Last Tango in Paris,' dies at 58
There's a scene in "Mina Tannenbaum", where Mina is pressured by one of her art professors to say that some painting or other is 'an example of courage in art'.
She tells him, 'There's no courage in painting a naked woman surrounded by clothed men.'
There's not much courage in making a shocking movie about a pretty nineteen-year-old girl having no holds barred sex with a middle-aged man. Maria Schneider said that when she went back and saw 'Last Tango' again, she thought it was 'kitsch'.
But she seems to have gotten to a good place in her life. A tragedy she died so young.
| 202 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:22:34pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
can't listen...Choudary is a monumental asshole...when it's pistols at dawn, let me know
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:23:55pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
What is your assessment of the geopolitical and geoeconomic situation of Alexandria as it pertains to the French Revolution had the dinosaurs lived?
;)
Depends. Did Napoleon have battle-trained T-Rexes in this scenario?
| 204 |
engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:25:35pm |
Obama administration discussing plan for Mubarak to quit immediately - NYT
via [Link: www.breakingnews.com...]
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:26:55pm |
ah, here we go with the grey lady direct:
The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.
| 206 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:26:56pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
LIMBAUGH: Also, according to Mediaite, Fox News' Greg Palkot and crew have been severely beaten and are now hospitalized in Cairo. Now we were kidding before about The New York Times, of course. This kind of stuff is terrible. We wouldn't wish this kind of thing even on reporters. But it's -- it's serious. And you know, Anderson Cooper got beat upside the head 10 times when he was there. Still feeling it -- still feel sorry about -- reporters all think that the protestors ought to welcome them, they're on the same side.
Shallow waters.
| 207 |
The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:27:17pm |
re: #197 Killgore Trout
Yeah, the death threats to journalists are very bad for a country that relies on tourism. I suspect the end of the protests will probably happen soon.
I think so too. The military has this pretty well wired up. Frankly, its probably best that way from a Western perspective.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:27:22pm |
re: #204 engineer dog
Obama administration discussing plan for Mubarak to quit immediately - NYT
via [Link: www.breakingnews.com...]
By the time this report got to us, any plan would have to have been executed and under post-mortem review. I hope.
| 209 |
Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:29:40pm |
| 210 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:30:32pm |
re: #202 albusteve
can't listen...Choudary is a monumental asshole...when it's pistols at dawn, let me know
Not that Hannity is advocating mass slaughter or anything…
| 211 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:31:17pm |
re: #207 The Shadow Do
I think so too. The military has this pretty well wired up. Frankly, its probably best that way from a Western perspective.
I think the army wants to protect the status quo with regard to the CDAs and that means not implicitly backing the protestors....that way they get their money and cool hardware without having to actually ponder using it...since they are not very good at warfare
| 212 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:32:37pm |
re: #209 Decatur Deb
"just kidding" He's an entertainer.
"I respect Rush Limbaugh, he is a national conservative leader, and in no way do I want to diminish his voice."
-- Former RNC Chairman Michael Steele
| 213 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:32:52pm |
re: #210 000G
Not that Hannity is advocating mass slaughter or anything…
my dad used to say, where two fools met...beyond that I'm uninterested in Hannity or his guests
| 214 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:33:26pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
We get into this thing around here, where discussing a whole situation, instead of sticking to one basic moral judgement, is considered to be an endorsement of whoever you're discussing.
I ran afoul of it early in my LGF career, when I mentioned that Arab culture has a sappy romantic streak a mile wide, and was roundly denounced.
Yes.
I've run afoul of that myself, a time or two, one just fairly recently.
| 216 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:34:54pm |
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:37:37pm |
re: #211 albusteve
I think the army wants to protect the status quo with regard to the CDAs and that means not implicitly backing the protestors...that way they get their money and cool hardware without having to actually ponder using it...since they are not very good at warfare
Authority, menacing firearms, a handsome uniform, a nice monthly stipend....don't rock my boat.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:37:50pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
Now, this is supposed to make us feel what, exactly? How we supposed to feel?
He encourages his listeners to feel victimized that someone is (supposedly) dictating to them how they should feel.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:39:24pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
Heh. Anjem Choudary is getting a little long in the tooth. Like a pro wrestler bad guy that the media trots out to scare people.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:39:28pm |
if Mu wins out and the status quo is preserved, then who will answer for the repression, the heavy handed tactics and crashing tourist revenue?...Mu has lost no matter how it turns at this point...regardless of his position with Israel and the US, he has failed to lead his people into the new millenium and that is a black eye to his regime and others like it
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:39:48pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
@EricBoehlert
Limbaugh mocks NYT reporters getting attacked in Egypt; changes tune when learns Fox reporter attacked; [Link: bit.ly...] #gross
Rush, you are such a fucking douchebag...
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Lidane Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:39:51pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
Malkin was always experiencing a brain aneurysm everytime she spoke of his proposed immigration reforms.
Laura Ingraham filled in for BillO and she's upset about this, BTW:
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]
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palomino Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:40:00pm |
re: #8 brookly red
Gosh, your right... Hitler would never invade Poland, silly me.
Egypt is planning to invade Poland?
Apparently so, when you play the "Everyone I Hate is Hitler" game. What in the name of Godwin are you trying to say?
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:40:10pm |
re: #219 jaunte
He encourages his listeners to feel victimized that someone is (supposedly) dictating to them how they should feel.
He's just another chickenhawk dictator wannabe. I'd like to see him in that same situation.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:40:52pm |
re: #216 000G
From the NYT link:
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is discussing with Egyptian officials a proposal for President Hosni Mubarak to resign immediately, turning over power to a transitional government headed by Vice President Omar Suleiman with the support of the Egyptian military, administration officials and Arab diplomats said Thursday.
I think this might be backfiring on the WH as well as the protestors. Getting Suleiman might split the protestors rather than satisfy them enough to stop, and I doubt they would continue to protest in full force because they had been so bent on Mubarak as am individual instead of his clique and the corrupt and despotic political system.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:40:59pm |
re: #223 Lidane
Laura Ingraham filled in for BillO and she's upset about this, BTW:
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]
Ugh. She's a creep.
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palomino Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:41:17pm |
re: #33 brookly red
If I wanted to watch stupid people I would buy a TV? No, I will pass on the videos, but thank you.
Do facts matter at all to you?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:41:49pm |
re: #218 The Shadow Do
Authority, menacing firearms, a handsome uniform, a nice monthly stipend...don't rock my boat.
something like that...in their world, deposing Mu is beyond their ability to think through for Egypts benefit...but in the end, they broke it, now they own it....Mu is a puppet
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:42:45pm |
re: #220 Charles
Heh. Anjem Choudary is getting a little long in the tooth. Like a pro wrestler bad guy that the media trots out to scare people.
Iron Sheik!
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:43:43pm |
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:44:50pm |
Bush causes wingnut heads to explode!
What's interesting about our country, if you study history, is that there are some 'isms' that occasionally pop up -- pop up. One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism. So if you study the '20s, for example, there was -- there was an American first policy that said who cares what happens in Europe?...And there was an immigration policy that I think during this period argued we had too many Jews and too many Italians; therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point is that we've been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism and Nativism. I'm a little concerned that we may be going through the same period. -- George W. Bush
My oh my. The nativists are getting defensive about this.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:45:11pm |
re: #234 jaunte
I dropped a decimal point!
The Trilateral Commission dictates that no more than 3 of the same character can be used in a row.
/
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:46:38pm |
re: #236 Varek Raith
The Trilateral Commission dictates that no more than 3 of the same character can be used in a row.
/
Just use a comma and call it a rounding error.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:48:41pm |
re: #235 Gus 802
Bush causes wingnut heads to explode!
What's interesting about our country, if you study history, is that there are some 'isms' that occasionally pop up -- pop up. One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism. So if you study the '20s, for example, there was -- there was an American first policy that said who cares what happens in Europe?...And there was an immigration policy that I think during this period argued we had too many Jews and too many Italians; therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point is that we've been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism and Nativism. I'm a little concerned that we may be going through the same period. -- George W. Bush
My oh my. The nativists are getting defensive about this.
And they supported him, so long as he did what they wanted, but they kept their masks until we elected a Scary Sekrit Black Mooslim President. That's no longer an issue and Bush is more or less a RINO to the wingnuts now...
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:50:03pm |
re: #236 Varek Raith
The Trilateral Commission dictates that no more than 3 of the same character can be used in a row.
/
I'm taking my Glomar Explorer and going home.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:50:07pm |
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:50:19pm |
re: #185 Obdicut
Nobody is saying he's the same as Osama, jackass.
What is this? Did someone declare this the thread of really fucking stupid comparisons when I wasn't looking?
Beck's rhetoric is paranoid, incessantly painting the opposition as morally bankrupt, needing to be stopped at all cost, hell-bent on the destruction of all that is good. He is apocalyptic. He preaches violent revolution, violent solutions, while worming away from actual responsibility.
And the twisted pictures he paints have already inspired people to go shoot those he called out as enemies.
ok sorry that was weird. I don't know why it didn't post but I will try again.
Jackass, really? Mathews draws a direct comparison to the hate speech in the Middle East which comes from where, Islamic governments and Jihadist. No he did not name Osama but he drew the comparison without naming him.
His rhetoric is paranoid but if he preached violent revolution he wouldn't be on the airwaves. It really is a slippery slope when you start drawing a causal link between a talk show host's rhetoric and someones absurd behavior.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:50:52pm |
re: #235 Gus 802
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
-Even if we were, it was all FDR's fault!
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:50:56pm |
I think I'm going to start making a list of IINO's and ousting them from my one man tent.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:51:43pm |
freepers: on the one hand
ABC News Reporter Brian Hartman Threatened With Beheading
Joke’s on the protesters: we have lots more loud mouth, lefty journalists where this guy came from.
Sorry, it is hard to have much sympathy for reporters dumb enough to subject themselves to this sort of danger.
Recalls the old “good news/bad news” joke.....Your mother-in-law just drove your new car off the cliff..
American journalists can no longer pretend they’re just observers reporting the facts. Their reputation as partisans willing to hide or distort the truth has become so undeniable that they have to take care not to contact the side of the dispute they’ve decided they’re going to discredit in their reporting. They are now active participants who take sides, and they have to accept the consequences.
American journalists need to get the hell out of there.
I hope they stay (hint: read my tagline). [tagline:(FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss)) ]
on the other hand
Fox News’ Greg Palkot & Producer Hospitalized After Being Attacked While Covering Egypt Protests
When did it become a good thing to assault reporters?
I Like Greg Palkot too.....he was doing a good job from Cairo.
Prayers up for him and the producer.
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:52:35pm |
re: #240 albusteve
yeah, that rule of law stuff is bullshit
Nativism and rule of law are two different things. What that douche Ingraham is defending is nativism because there-is-nativism-in-our-midst. So yeah, on second thought, Ingram isn't a creep. She's an asshole.
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palomino Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:52:43pm |
re: #235 Gus 802
Bush causes wingnut heads to explode!
What's interesting about our country, if you study history, is that there are some 'isms' that occasionally pop up -- pop up. One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism. So if you study the '20s, for example, there was -- there was an American first policy that said who cares what happens in Europe?...And there was an immigration policy that I think during this period argued we had too many Jews and too many Italians; therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point is that we've been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism and Nativism. I'm a little concerned that we may be going through the same period. -- George W. Bush
My oh my. The nativists are getting defensive about this.
Bush and Rove realized that nativism would work to the detriment of the gop, as a growing portion of the population has its roots outside white Europe. This is why they supported immigration reform back in 2006; but the gop in congress shot it down, the first time they refused to rubber stamp a Bush proposal.
In today's context the nativism is mostly on the right; smart politicians like Bush realize it's a dog whistle and long term loser.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:53:15pm |
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
it must be a plot by all those illegal immigrants trying to make the u.s. look bad
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:54:05pm |
re: #242 jaunte
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
-Even if we were, it was all FDR's fault!
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Lolwhut
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:55:06pm |
re: #241 Lateralis
ok sorry that was weird. I don't know why it didn't post but I will try again.
Jackass, really? Mathews draws a direct comparison to the hate speech in the Middle East which comes from where, Islamic governments and Jihadist. No he did not name Osama but he drew the comparison without naming him.
Actually, what he says, directly, is that Beck is like some of the raving lunatics in Egypt right now.
There's no need for you to fabricate the Osama comparison.
His rhetoric is paranoid but if he preached violent revolution he wouldn't be on the airwaves.
Why do you believe this?
It really is a slippery slope when you start drawing a causal link between a talk show host's rhetoric and someones absurd behavior.
Are you aware of the Tides Foundation shooter?
Why are you willing to dismiss that obvious fucking danger of Beck accusing Obama and liberals in general of attempting to undermine the US, destroy our society, and cause global Marxism or a caliphate or whatever? If someone believes him, what would the obvious course of action be?
Why are you ignoring that he said that Pelosi would have to shoot Van Jones in the head? What did he mean by that? You're saying it wasn't literal-- so you're honestly saying it was some sort of 'figurative' use of the phrase 'shoot them in the head'?
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Gus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:55:14pm |
re: #242 jaunte
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
-Even if we were, it was all FDR's fault!
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Love it. I mean that it's got the wingnuts all riled up and defensive. Bush actually struck a nerve on the wingnuts! Woot!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:55:17pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
Nativism and rule of law are two different things. What that douche Ingraham is defending is nativism because there-is-nativism-in-our-midst. So yeah, on second thought, Ingram isn't a creep. She's an asshole.
I get you
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:55:48pm |
re: #248 Varek Raith
According to Buchanan, FDR apparently also forced Japan to continue invading China.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:58:17pm |
re: #242 jaunte
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
-Even if we were, it was all FDR's fault!
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Monroe Doctrine anyone?
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Lidane Thu, Feb 3, 2011 5:59:51pm |
re: #242 jaunte
Buchanan fires back at Bush:
-America was never isolationist!
-Even if we were, it was all FDR's fault!
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]
Crazy Uncle Pat, crazy as always. Heh.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:01:11pm |
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:05:32pm |
re: #249 Obdicut
Actually, what he says, directly, is that Beck is like some of the raving lunatics in Egypt right now.
Must of missed when he said Egypt?
Why are you willing to dismiss that obvious fucking danger of Beck accusing Obama and liberals in general of attempting to undermine the US, destroy our society, and cause global Marxism or a caliphate or whatever? If someone believes him, what would the obvious course of action be?
Yes I will dismiss it. I am not going to keep anybody from saying shit like, from either side, unless they are outright calling for violence against the government or individuals. People have been spouting this type of rhetoric since the beginning of this country. They used to have duals over political disagreements for Gods sake. So what if he thinks Obama is destroying the country. From Beck's and many American's perspective he is destroying the country. Just like like many Americans thought Bush did. Time for knee jerk liberal response - HE DID!
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:06:33pm |
Muslim Brotherhood: Israel has failed to honor peace treaty
A spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt on Thursday evening repeatedly refused to commit to maintaining the peace treaty with Israel, or even recognizing Israel, if the Brotherhood becomes a player in the future governance of Israel.
Asked on CNN if his organization would support the maintenance of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty, Mohamed Morsy, a spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, dodged a direct answer but said Israel had failed to honor the treaty.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:10:49pm |
re: #257 Lateralis
Must of missed when he said Egypt?
Yes, you did. That's your problem. Not mine.
I am not going to keep anybody from saying shit like, from either side, unless they are outright calling for violence against the government or individuals.
Who is talking about keeping anyone from saying anything?
You're kind of babbling at this point. What does fighting duels have to do with anything? I'm not saying that Beck is going to bring down the republic. I'm saying his insane-jibber-jabber appeals to insane people like the Tides Foundation shooter, and can push them over the edge into violence.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:11:24pm |
re: #258 researchok
Without, of course, explaining how Israel has failed to honor the treaty.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:15:09pm |
re: #261 Obdicut
Without, of course, explaining how Israel has failed to honor the treaty.
Naturally. The MB pronouncement makes it so.
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:16:38pm |
re: #260 Obdicut
Actually you missed it because he never said Egypt he said "rhetoric from the middle east".
I know you don't want to imply logic but when you are blaming someone's rhetoric for the violent actions of another individual, what are you implying?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:21:39pm |
re: #263 Lateralis
I know you don't want to imply logic but when you are blaming someone's rhetoric for the violent actions of another individual, what are you implying?
Care to reformat that sentence into English?
And do you not blame the violent rhetoric of jihadis for the violence that springs from that?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:22:39pm |
re: #263 Lateralis
Actually you missed it because he never said Egypt he said "rhetoric from the middle east".
And he said 'Those people in the streets of Cairo'.
Jackass.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:23:43pm |
Goes to show that even in the midst of awful things there is humor.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:24:04pm |
re: #264 albusteve
blather...no details
If the guy is on record at CNN, the details, while important, don't trump the significance of the substance of his remarks.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:25:50pm |
re: #265 Obdicut
Care to reformat that sentence into English?
And do you not blame the violent rhetoric of jihadis for the violence that springs from that?
The rhetoric is a part of it, for sure.
After the indoctrination they get from childhood, they are as primed as can be.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:26:03pm |
re: #267 Jadespring
Goes to show that even in the midst of awful things there is humor.
I think the guy with the pot on his head should man the trebuchet they built in the square.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:27:15pm |
re: #269 researchok
And yet a lot of the people who have committed attacks have not been indoctrinated since childhood, but been either converts, disaffected middle-class kids, etc.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:27:41pm |
re: #267 Jadespring
Goes to show that even in the midst of awful things there is humor.
I like the guy in the lower right hand corner.
I can't be sure, but I don't think he gets condoms, either.
/
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:28:10pm |
re: #266 Obdicut
He starts off generally speaking of the Middle East and then narrows to Egypt, but I won't call you a jackass.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:29:05pm |
re: #268 researchok
If the guy is on record at CNN, the details, while important, don't trump the significance of the substance of his remarks.
but the remarks have no substance...if Israel had broken that treaty eleventyfive people would have noticed...why would they fail to honor it?
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:29:22pm |
re: #273 Lateralis
That's nice. I have no idea why you'd call me a jackass after you claimed he never said Egypt and then admitting that he said Egypt. Or sorry, maybe you didn't know Cairo was in Egypt.
FYI, Cairo is in Egypt.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:30:23pm |
re: #271 Obdicut
And yet a lot of the people who have committed attacks have not been indoctrinated since childhood, but been either converts, disaffected middle-class kids, etc.
Well, as far as the jihadis go, that is pretty much the case across the board, in one form or another.
Anyone who buys into the crazy without long term exposure is another kind of crazy- usually highly suggestible (think not yet fully developed teens, young adults, etc).
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:32:23pm |
re: #274 albusteve
but the remarks have no substance...if Israel had broken that treaty eleventyfive people would have noticed...why would they fail to honor it?
Yes- I misunderstood your response.
He wants you to accept his word simply because he says so.
He is like the dentist who claims to be an expert on neurosurgery.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:32:42pm |
re: #276 researchok
Well, as far as the jihadis go, that is pretty much the case across the board, in one form or another.
I'm sorry, what is pretty much the case? Or, what do you mean by childhood indoctrination? Or maybe, what do you mean by 'jihadi'?
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Lateralis Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:33:53pm |
re: #265 Obdicut
Sorry I don't meet your grammar requirements.
Your equivalence of Beck's rhetoric to Jihadist is so off base. Jihadist actually ask people to kill other people where Beck does not. However, may point was not to defend Beck's rhetoric, because it is over the top. I simply believe Mathew's comparison is off base.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:34:36pm |
re: #276 researchok
Anyone who buys into the crazy without long term exposure is another kind of crazy- usually highly suggestible (think not yet fully developed teens, young adults, etc).
I think you are far underestimating the portion of the human population that is highly suggestible. It's not limited to crazy and young people.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:35:53pm |
re: #279 Lateralis
Yes. Beck is not identical to a Jihadi. But he is delivering insane, violent rhetoric from a religious perspective of absolute certainty, steeped in antisemitism, conspiracy theories, and anti-American government sentiment.
The differences are, exactly as you say, that he doesn't directly tell anyone to kill. He just paints a picture where, if you believe him, the only logical course of action is to kill.
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JoyousMN Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:37:03pm |
re: #217 Gus 802
Zach Wahls Defends Gay Marriage To Iowa Legislators
I think I read this part incorrectly the first time...but it was an interesting visual while it lasted.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:38:06pm |
re: #263 Lateralis
Actually you missed it because he never said Egypt he said "rhetoric from the middle east".
I know you don't want to imply logic but when you are blaming someone's rhetoric for the violent actions of another individual, what are you implying?
Get to know how Obdi thinks. It will save you a lot of grief.
We don't always agree but I usually know where he's coming from. He's not the enemy.
He can be a pain in the ass at times, but never the enemy or bad guy. My opinion might change if I find out he puts pineapple on pizza.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:39:37pm |
re: #278 Obdicut
I'm sorry, what is pretty much the case? Or, what do you mean by childhood indoctrination? Or maybe, what do you mean by 'jihadi'?
The early indoctrination process, either overt or subtle.
The 'what is a jihadi' question is loaded.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:41:15pm |
re: #280 prononymous
I think you are far underestimating the portion of the human population that is highly suggestible. It's not limited to crazy and young people.
LOL
Good point. My reference was from a more clinical perspective.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:42:01pm |
re: #284 researchok
I'm sorry, if you're not going to define your terms, there's little that can be achieved.
A lot of 'jihadis', by my definition-- men and women who are convinced they are fighting a righteous holy war, usually by violent means-- come from non-radical, middle-class backgrounds where they did not receive a strong indoctrination, or at least, less strong than many of their peers.
It is important to note just how many terrorists, jihadis, and what have no you are not the disaffected, easily-manipulated, but are intelligent, driven individuals from stable backgrounds.
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talking point detective Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:45:44pm |
re: #263 Lateralis
I know you don't want to imply logic but when you are blaming someone's rhetoric for the violent actions of another individual, what are you implying?
You know, I heard that some folks were all upset about Obama attending Reverend Wright's church. But now that I read your post, I realize that in reality, conservatives don't think that rhetoric influences anyone. So why did we hear about Rev. Wriight non-stop 24/7 for months on end?
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:46:00pm |
re: #286 Obdicut
I'm sorry, if you're not going to define your terms, there's little that can be achieved.
A lot of 'jihadis', by my definition-- men and women who are convinced they are fighting a righteous holy war, usually by violent means-- come from non-radical, middle-class backgrounds where they did not receive a strong indoctrination, or at least, less strong than many of their peers.
It is important to note just how many terrorists, jihadis, and what have no you are not the disaffected, easily-manipulated, but are intelligent, driven individuals from stable backgrounds.
Being disaffected, easily manipulated have nothing to do with indoctrination. Everyone, regardless of economic or educational background.
Indoctrination is a process exclusive of those things you mention. It is also a necessary method used by tyrants to keep populations subdued.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:48:01pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:49:30pm |
re: #280 prononymous
highly suggestible
that's putting it mildly!
based on obsessive poll reading, i've come to the conclusion that an average of 27% of americans will give the most moronic, immoral answer to any poll question. corresponding to people with these opinions directly, i find that the three minutes it takes to look somthing up on the innertubes is an insurmountable obstacle to them, and besides, they poo-poo the information given by wiksterpedia, and even regular dictionaries and encyclopedias since they often fail to give the limbaugh -certified answers (actual quote: "dictionaries are written by leftist lexicographers")
given that a scary percentage of any given population is in some way metally ill, the addition of the 27% plus the million dollar rabble rousing industry makes for a volatile brew
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:50:29pm |
re: #288 researchok
Again: A lot of jihadis, terrorists, etc. do not come from a background where they were inside indoctrination to the same extent as their peers. They were abroad for part of the time, had access to media others didn't, has space outside the indoctrination. The indoctrination is certainly important for keeping populations subdued; it is much less easily linked to the complexities of overt terrorism, given that the entire populace is indoctrinated, but a relatively small percentage of them-- and often those who had the least exposure to the indoctrination (perhaps making them feel more alienated)-- cross the line into violent terrorism.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:50:32pm |
re: #287 talking point detective
You know, I heard that some folks were all upset about Obama attending Reverend Wright's church. But now that I read your post, I realize that in reality, conservatives don't think that rhetoric influences anyone. So why did we hear about Rev. Wriight non-stop 24/7 for months on end?
there you go with that liberal fascist logical consistancy stuff again...
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:51:10pm |
re: #290 engineer dog
that's putting it mildly!
based on obsessive poll reading, i've come to the conclusion that an average of 27% of americans will give the most moronic, immoral answer to any poll question. corresponding to people with these opinions directly, i find that the three minutes it takes to look somthing up on the innertubes is an insurmountable obstacle to them, and besides, they poo-poo the information given by wiksterpedia, and even regular dictionaries and encyclopedias since they often fail to give the limbaugh -certified answers (actual quote: "dictionaries are written by leftist lexicographers")
given that a scary percentage of any given population is in some way metally ill, the addition of the 27% plus the million dollar rabble rousing industry makes for a volatile brew
That's true.
You can always count on a quarter of all people to disagree with anything.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:02:20pm |
re: #291 Obdicut
Again: A lot of jihadis, terrorists, etc. do not come from a background where they were inside indoctrination to the same extent as their peers. They were abroad for part of the time, had access to media others didn't, has space outside the indoctrination. The indoctrination is certainly important for keeping populations subdued; it is much less easily linked to the complexities of overt terrorism, given that the entire populace is indoctrinated, but a relatively small percentage of them-- and often those who had the least exposure to the indoctrination (perhaps making them feel more alienated)-- cross the line into violent terrorism.
Backgrounds have nothing to do with indoctrination
Indoctrination is a process that people- all kinds of people, irrespective of their educational or social status.
You are either exposed to indoctrination or you aren't. For some people, exposure to outside influences counteracts indoctrination, for others it does not. For the most part, early indoctrination is key to maintaining desired beliefs. That is why indoctrination starts at a young age.
See this Saudi blogger describe the indoctrination process
As to why a relatively small number of people actually become violent, there are not necessarily the point of the effort- they are dysfunctional to begin with.
The point of indoctrination is to create a society that is insular and one that will defend the dysfunction.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:08:47pm |
re: #294 researchok
Backgrounds do, indeed, have to do with indoctrination. Indoctrination depends upon restricting the information available to the person being indoctrinated. Those of affluent backgrounds, or backgrounds where they travel and live in other countries, are not as completely inside the sphere of indoctrination as those who never have access to outside information.
You are either exposed to indoctrination or you aren't. For some people, exposure to outside influences counteracts indoctrination, for others it does not. For the most part, early indoctrination is key to maintaining desired beliefs. That is why indoctrination starts at a young age.
Indoctrination doesn't have to start at an early age. It often does, but it doesn't. The military indoctrinates people.
As to why a relatively small number of people actually become violent, there are not necessarily the point of the effort- they are dysfunctional to begin with.
I do not believe that to be true in the least. It doesn't match with the history of violence. Unless you're simply using circular logic, and proving their dysfunction by the fact that they become violent.
The point of indoctrination is to create a society that is insular and one that will defend the dysfunction.
No, the point of indoctrination is to indoctrinate. The military does it to create a coherent group that can operate under very strange circumstances. Firemen do it to achieve a like framework. Many religious societies indoctrinate their children as well-- the rejection of evolution and AGW is often the result of such indoctrination. You seem to be casting indoctrination as something that can only happen in a society-wide situation, and that's not the case. Nor is the point of such societies always to defend violent dysfunction.
Your definition of indoctrination is at once too broad and too narrow.
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researchok Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:24:17pm |
You are trying to split hairs.
Indoctrination in the Arab world (and that after all is what we are talking about) starts at a very early age.
See Lawrence Kelemen's Learning From Sadism.
The point of indoctrination is indeed to indoctrinate. I never even remotely suggested that all indoctrination was societal. My remarks were in the context of the convewrsation.
Military indoctrination is very different in that in the west, that is usually voluntary.
In repressive nations, military indoctrination picks up where cultural and societal indoctrination leaves off. It is a continuation.
We were discussing Arab world indoctrination.
Please see what the Saudi blogger has to say and read Keleman's article.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:35:51pm |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:44:46pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Not every crisis is Munich 1938.
I like to use the Schleswig-Holstein simile, but only one other person understands it, and he's dead.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:00:18pm |
re: #298 Decatur Deb
I like to use the Schleswig-Holstein simile, but only one other person understands it, and he's dead.
You mean the battleship Schleswig-Holstein, correct. At Jutland she and her 5 sisters were called the "5 minute squadron" because that was how long they were expected to survive in action against the Grand Fleet. Despite this, they did successful divert the fire of Beatty's Battle Cruiser Fleet at a critical moment, which allowed the crippled German BCs to escape. So, Schleswig-Holstein ended up playing a notable role (though she was hit in that engagement). For if Hipper's battle cruisers had been sunk, then Jutland would have been reckoned a great British triumph.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:10:15pm |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
You mean the battleship Schleswig-Holstein, correct. At Jutland she and her 5 sisters were called the "5 minute squadron" because that was how long they were expected to survive in action against the Grand Fleet. Despite this, they did successful divert the fire of Beatty's Battle Cruiser Fleet at a critical moment, which allowed the crippled German BCs to escape. So, Schleswig-Holstein ended up playing a notable role (though she was hit in that engagement). For if Hipper's battle cruisers had been sunk, then Jutland would have been reckoned a great British triumph.
No, the dispute over the Danish-Prussian border that brought on a couple wars in the Bismarck era. The S-H Question was so tangled that a pol said "Only three people in Europe understand it: myself, Bismarck, and someone else (but he's dead)". You don't get a lot of Schleswig-Holstein humor these days, but it made it to the Flashman novels.
(Tried to cut in a wiki explanation, but it was "Comment too long". Of course.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:31:14pm |
re: #300 Decatur Deb
No, the dispute over the Danish-Prussian border that brought on a couple wars in the Bismarck era. The S-H Question was so tangled that a pol said "Only three people in Europe understand it: myself, Bismarck, and someone else (but he's dead)". You don't get a lot of Schleswig-Holstein humor these days, but it made it to the Flashman novels.
(Tried to cut in a wiki explanation, but it was "Comment too long". Of course.
Very cool, thanks. I hope you didn't mind the Jutland digression.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:34:44pm |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
Very cool, thanks. I hope you didn't mind the Jutland digression.
Nah--I caught a little bit of it on the History Channel, before it went to junk. Remember Jutland as a victory claimed by both sides. (The battleship would have been named for S-H as a German province, after they stiffed the Danes and unified.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:43:56pm |
re: #302 Decatur Deb
Nah--I caught a little bit of it on the History Channel, before it went to junk. Remember Jutland as a victory claimed by both sides. (The battleship would have been named for S-H as a German province, after they stiffed the Danes and unified.)
Correct. The BB Schleswig-Holstein also fired the opening shots of WWII at Polish positions on the Westerplatte peninsula, which was why I brought her up in the first place. Thanks for info and your analogy was good.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:51:00am |
re: #296 researchok
I'm not trying to split hair at all. If you just mean indoctrination 'in the Arab world' then say so. I'm not going to magically know that. This is what happens when, for whatever goddamn reason, you refuse to actually define your terms.
I don't think that you're in the least bit accurate to say that the point of indoctrination 'in the Arab world' is to defend the dysfunction, if by 'dysfunction' you mean the violent dysfunctional few. If you mean the dysfunction of the society in general, then you're also wrong; indoctrination isn't to get people to defend it, indoctrination is the dysfunction, it's the reproducer of the dysfunction.
Likewise, I'm not sure why you are defining indoctrination as a binary thing; that you are either exposed or you're not. Obviously, the mainstays of indoctrination are repetition, isolation, peer pressure, and these things are magnified with exposure. It's not a binary situation. It does matter how much you're exposed to the indoctrination.
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Coachrichard Fri, Feb 4, 2011 11:04:54am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 4, 2011 12:26:27pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
We get into this thing around here, where discussing a whole situation, instead of sticking to one basic moral judgement, is considered to be an endorsement of whoever you're discussing.
I ran afoul of it early in my LGF career, when I mentioned that Arab culture has a sappy romantic streak a mile wide, and was roundly denounced.
It's a thing the uneducated do, people without critical thinking skills, people who think in terms of black and white :P
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