Robert Spencer (Inspiration for Oslo Terrorist): ‘How Much $ Did You Get?’

Breivik’s main source of inspiration invents a conspiracy theory about me
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The main inspiration for Oslo terrorist Anders Behring Breivik was undoubtedly “counter-jihad” kingpin Robert Spencer; Spencer is cited dozens of times in Breivik’s manifesto.

Today Robert Spencer crawled out from under his rock, to accuse me on Twitter of being paid by sinister hidden forces.

@Lizardoid It was a reductio ad absurdum (look it up). I’ve been meaning to ask: how much $ did you get for selling out all your principles?

My reply:

How much money are you making by peddling bigotry and hatred? RT @jihadwatchRS: how much $ did you get for selling out?

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308 comments
1 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:53:15pm

Oy vay iz mir! What a sad man.

2 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:53:47pm

Spencer, Geller and the like have helped create a multi billion dollar industry around fear, paranoia and reactionary behavior...fat cats

3 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:53:58pm

Precisely what "principles" do you believe have been sold, Spencer? Define them. I dare you.

4 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:54:50pm

I've been saying for a while that journalists need to start following the money behind these bigot bloggers. They need to put the real people funding and feeding the hate machine in front of the American people.

5 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:55:01pm

Pretty skimpy for a conspiracy theory. No blackboards; not even a scratchpad.

6 Randall Gross  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:56:58pm

Journalists could start with Horowitz, Heritage, and Chernick, and from there they could look to see if there are foreign funds from Pan hellenic, Armenian, and Serbian interests.

7 Jack Burton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 12:58:47pm

He's become the mirror image of the asshole antisemitic moonbats that accused you of being on AIPAC's payroll.

So this means we get Zionist paychecks and Jihadi paychecks now?

If Chewbacca does not live on Endor you must acquit.

8 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:01:24pm

without the net, Spencer would be in a mental institution....drooling away the day with Geller playing Chutes and Ladders

9 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:02:38pm

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

So this means we get Zionist paychecks and Jihadi paychecks now?

Yeah, we're that smart! //

10 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:08:37pm

Not going bat shit crazy = paid by an evil organization

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:10:55pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not going bat shit crazy = paid by an evil organization

Demonizing hatred = "Principles"

12 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:11:24pm

Whattaya know. His books also have the 'hate speech' tag, just not as many updings on 'em as Geller has.

13 Turkey Jihad  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:11:56pm

@jihadwatchRS: I've been meaning to ask: how much pleasure do you get knowing that this sicko dressed up as a cop and murdered 100 people and mentioned YOU multiple times in his manifesto?

14 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:12:45pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Demonizing hatred = "Principles"

Thinking it might not be that great an idea to name whole segments of the US population as traitors who need to be deported and possibly exterminated means you obviously support the Jihadis and the ideas of radical Islam.

Obviously.
/

15 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:13:58pm

re: #13 Kid A

@jihadwatchRS: I've been meaning to ask: how much pleasure do you get knowing that this sicko dressed up as a cop and murdered 100 people and mentioned YOU multiple times in his manifesto?

"But he mention Charles too, its all his fault!"
"p.s.: Don't look at the context of Breivik's statements."
/

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:14:07pm

re: #13 Kid A

69 people. But who's counting?

17 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:14:51pm

He's only following 8 on Twitter. Two of them are Geller, one is Kejda Gjermani, whom he hates.

18 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:16:13pm
Breivik was exempt from conscription to military service in the Norwegian Army and has no military training.[35] The Norwegian Defence Security Department, who conducts the vetting process, say he was deemed "unfit for service" at the mandatory conscript assessment.[36] In 1997, at age 19, he lost 2 million kr. ($369,556[37]) in the stock market.[38] At age 21, he had plastic surgery performed to reshape his forehead, nose and chin.[38]

Link.

19 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:16:25pm

Reading Protocols of the Elders of Mecca again, Bobby?

20 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:17:33pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

That reminds me:
Jihadwatch Watch: Robert Spencer's amorous flirt with European Fascism

21 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:17:47pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

Link.

Huh. In his manifesto and elsewhere it was because of "conscentious objector" status.

22 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:19:39pm
Anders Behring Breivik, the butcher of Norway, believed the "Muslim colonization" of Europe - aided and abetted by multiculturalist fellow travelers and colluding weak-kneed politicians - was poised to destroy pristine Norway unless he acted. Breivik's European Declaration of Independence lists a series of demands, above all that "immigration in whatever form should be immediately and completely halted, and that our authorities take a long break from mass immigration in general until such a time when law and order has been reestablished in our major cities."

The irrational fear of immigration does not align with the facts. Immigration has remained remarkably stable over the past 50 years - with approximately 3% to 3.2% of the world's population as international migrants.

[…]

Most claims in the public sphere for or against immigration have been formulaic, underwhelming and lacking the seriousness this human dilemma demands.

More to the point: For more than 25 years now, it has been obvious to researchers, if not to the political class, that integration and not immigration had become the elephant in the room. But integration, beyond "multi-culti" platitudes, was never really given a chance. Beyond demanding that Muslims give up the veil and stop arranged marriages, nobody seemed to grasp that integration is a two-way street, bringing immigrants and native citizens alike into a cleared-eyed view that theirs is a shared fate in a changing world.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

23 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:20:16pm
My reply:

How much money are you making by peddling bigotry and hatred? RT @jihadwatchRS: how much $ did you get for selling out?

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24 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:22:03pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

Whattaya know. His books also have the 'hate speech' tag, just not as many updings on 'em as Geller has.

Yeah, I plan to give all their book tags some attention this weekend.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:24:49pm

re: #21 000G

The citation links to this page, but the google translation of it leaves much to be desired.

Perhaps Oslogin could help us out when he/she is around.

26 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:26:14pm

re: #20 jaunte

That reminds me:
Jihadwatch Watch: Robert Spencer's amorous flirt with European Fascism

Retweet these...

[Link: twitter.com...]

[Link: twitter.com...]

27 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:33:46pm

You know, in a rather odd sort of way I have to thank Spencer and Geller for getting into bed with the European white supremacists and fascists. It was an eye-opening wake up call for me.

28 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:34:57pm

Perry Prayer Rally Organizer Says Democratic Party Controlled By Demons

/facepalm

Call me old fashioned, but I'd really like it if more of my fellow Americans could come up with a political worldview that doesn't center around magic and sky spirits.

29 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:35:59pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry Prayer Rally Organizer Says Democratic Party Controlled By Demons

/facepalm

Call me old fashioned, but I'd really like it if more of my fellow Americans could come up with a political worldview that doesn't center around magic and sky spirits.

Leave Flying Spaghetti Monster and Our Lord Gravel out of this.

30 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:38:08pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry Prayer Rally Organizer Says Democratic Party Controlled By Demons

/facepalm

Call me old fashioned, but I'd really like it if more of my fellow Americans could come up with a political worldview that doesn't center around magic and sky spirits.

For the last time! There are no such things as demons!

Oh, nevermind.

//

31 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:39:29pm

re: #30 Gus 802

For the last time! There are no such things as demons!

Oh, nevermind.

//

You can't lie to me. I saw that commercial with the sheep.

32 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:39:55pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe we can fix that with an anti-demonic Constitutional Amendment.

33 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:41:48pm

Just saw this comment on RedState that made me go WTF:

Don't give me this fantasy about Herman Cain, either
 kowalski Thursday, August 4th at 3:14PM EDT
It’s a PURE FANTASY. Herman Cain might be a wonderful businessman and a stellar human being but he is never going to win the Presidency of this country as a black Conservative. He’s a pizza entrepreneur. I might as well paint myself in blackface and run in his place.

Found in a thread that gives Erick son of Erick's latest appraisal of 'the horserace':

[Link: www.redstate.com...]

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:42:22pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Projection is a helluva drug.

35 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:42:54pm

re: #32 jaunte

Maybe we can fix that with an anti-demonic Constitutional Amendment.

Either you accept that demons are controlling your daily lives or you're with the demons. There is no middle ground in the war against Demonization!
/

36 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:43:03pm

re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth

The citation links to this page, but the google translation of it leaves much to be desired.

Perhaps Oslogin could help us out when he/she is around.

One thing it says, from a prior acquaintance, is that he talked about women but was never seen to have a relationship with one.

37 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:45:26pm

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

Projection is a helluva drug.

"The invisible spirits controlling our worldy actions are better than the invisible spirits we claim are controlling their actions. There is no other logical explanation to our differences."

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:46:51pm

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

He's become the mirror image of the asshole antisemitic moonbats that accused you of being on AIPAC's payroll.

So this means we get Zionist paychecks and Jihadi paychecks now?

If Chewbacca does not live on Endor you must acquit.

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

39 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:47:15pm
40 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:47:50pm

OT and for all the wingnut Twitter idiots chiding Charles about his re-Tweet regarding AGW/Perry and record temps...

@TexasTribune Texas Tribune
State climatologist: Drought now officially worst on record [Link: bit.ly...]

Retweet that if you get a chance.

41 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:48:25pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

And yet at the same time, you are also accused of not being nearly pro-Israel enough on the stalker blog! Go figure.

42 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:48:41pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

Why is it I keep imagining Spencer and Geller as conniving action movie villains hidden away in a mountain fortress somewhere plotting nefarious schemes to destroy the world?

I'll be happier when we get to the part where Vin Diesel tracks them down and blows them sky high.

Replace mountain fortress with trailer in the middle of Wisconsin and Vin Diesel with Steven Seagal and you're probably a bit closer to the truth.
/

43 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:49:01pm

re: #27 Slumbering Behemoth

You know, in a rather odd sort of way I have to thank Spencer and Geller for getting into bed with the European white supremacists and fascists. It was an eye-opening wake up call for me.

Not just for you. I wouldn't have been paying the slightest bit of attention to the resurgence of the far-right in Europe and its connection to bloggers here in the U.S. if it hadn't been for the articles at LGF about Geller & Spencer (and many of Thanos' pages).

It's chilling, especially after recently noting that the political upheavals of WW1 & WW2 combined resulted in over 60 million deaths.

60. MILLION. DEAD. HUMAN. BEINGS.

If another World War breaks out—which seems to be what they want, but based on ethnicity this time—we all lose.

The people are playing with fire.

44 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:49:08pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.


Maybe you should apply! heh.

I knew an acquaintance who applied to work for Mossad but I don't think she made it through all of the personality testing. She described some of it though.

45 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:50:16pm

re: #40 Gus 802

OT and for all the wingnut Twitter idiots chiding Charles about his re-Tweet regarding AGW/Perry and record temps...

@TexasTribune Texas Tribune
State climatologist: Drought now officially worst on record [Link: bit.ly...]

Retweet that if you get a chance.

We can invest in desalinization and irrigation technology or we can pray for rain and trust God won't let us down if we simply adhere to biblical principles.

SEE YA AT THE PRAYER RALLY!

46 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:50:59pm

re: #41 bratwurst

And yet at the same time, you are also accused of not being nearly pro-Israel enough on the stalker blog! Go figure.

lol - I must of missed those posts. My guess would be that they really mean not hawkish and or sufficiently 'anti-jihad' enough.

Maybe one of the worst things these bloggers have done is associate "support for Israel" with their militant islamophobia.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:51:04pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

I'd recommend we don't give them any excuses to say we're advocating violence here, but that's just me.

48 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:51:16pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

I heard they trained you to take someone out with a paper clip. /

49 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:51:21pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Case in point:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

50 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:52:10pm

re: #39 dragonfire1981

Why is it I keep imagining Spencer and Geller as conniving action movie villains hidden away in a mountain fortress somewhere plotting nefarious schemes to destroy the world?

I'll be happier when we get to the part where Vin Diesel tracks them down and blows them sky high.

Boris and Natasha?!

51 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:53:14pm

re: #50 Ericus58

Boris and Natasha?!

What about Muslim Squirrel?
/

52 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:53:41pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

Case in point:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Whoa, I missed that one. Thanks.

53 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:54:06pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

If another World War breaks out—which seems to be what they want, but based on ethnicity this time—we all lose.

The people are playing with fire.

A few dozen people were burned by that very fire in Norway.

It is the same fire Spencer and Geller have been stoking for almost ten years.

54 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:54:25pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We can invest in desalinization and irrigation technology or we can pray for rain and trust God won't let us down if we simply adhere to biblical principles.

SEE YA AT THE PRAYER RALLY!

Well. I can think of another answer!

DE-FUND THE LEFT WING COMMUNISTIC TEXAS STATE OFFICE OF METEOROLOGY!!11ty THEY ARE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE SOROS GLOBALISTS!!11ty

55 Ericus58  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:54:36pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about Muslim Squirrel?
/

And his side-kick: Morocco Mole

56 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:54:56pm

re: #49 Sergey Romanov

Case in point:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I was just about to link to that post myself.

It just confirms what SPLC, ADL, NAACP and other rights groups have been saying for decades. It's not like these people have been hiding their aims.

57 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:55:06pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

A few dozen people were burned by that very fire in Norway.

It is the same fire Spencer and Geller have been stoking for almost ten years.

QFT

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:55:38pm

re: #44 Alexzander

Maybe you should apply! heh.

I knew an acquaintance who applied to work for Mossad but I don't think she made it through all of the personality testing. She described some of it though.

Eh, I can neither scuba dive, nor am I hot enough to seduce arms dealers in Bahrain hotels...I think I'll continue working toward my MFT.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:56:03pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

For my part, I was heading down that "All muslims are evil and any muslim that claims they aren't is just trying to sell me tacos and gin" path.

Seeing a very clear, modern day example of where paths like that lead shook me out of my stupor.

60 blueraven  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:56:57pm

From The Dish

4 Aug 2011 02:55 PM
Quote For The Day II

"Pamela Geller has a new book coming out, about what she sees as the central challenge of our time, called 'Stop the Judaization of Germany.' Oops, sorry, it's called 'Stop the Islamization of America.' Same general theme, though. Charles Johnson has more on this frightening woman," - Jeffrey Goldberg.

61 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:57:49pm

BIAB/W

62 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 1:58:36pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

I've gotten that, too. Willing tool of The J**s, Ford Foundation shill, paid Soros propagandist, of course their latest Emmanuel Goldstein, Alinsky...etc. Yawn.

63 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:01:08pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

For my part, I was heading down that "All muslims are evil and any muslim that claims they aren't is just trying to sell me tacos and gin" path.

Seeing a very clear, modern day example of where paths like that lead shook me out of my stupor.

I'm really glad you stepped away from that, for your own sake. And also because I'm kinda fond of you and it would be a shame if I'd never gotten to know you.

64 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:04:13pm

re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth

I wonder how he did that. From my experience, you'll have to have some medical condition to be exempt from military service in Norway. He was probably in better physical condition then I was at that age, and judging from the steroid-infused morons they let into officer training, he didn't have mental problems. Maye he faked some condition?

65 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:04:29pm

re: #63 CuriousLurker

I'm really glad you stepped away from that, for your own sake. And also because I'm kinda fond of you and it would be a shame if I'd never gotten to know you.

Right back atchya!

Yeah, I was headed to the Dark Side. Who knew a couple of hate filled bigots would be the ones to (unintentionally, of course) save me from that.

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:06:28pm

re: #64 JJ42

Oh, hey there. Please check out the link in my #25 post. It may have more information on that.

67 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:07:03pm

re: #64 JJ42

Oh, I could imagine him being found with Sociopathic tendencies that prevented him from being enlisted.

Meanwhile, my first Ramadan Fast continues to be a struggle. Especially with the fact that my metabolism is hyper-quick. 12 hours to be precise.

68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:07:11pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

For my part, I was heading down that "All muslims are evil and any muslim that claims they aren't is just trying to sell me tacos and gin" path.

Seeing a very clear, modern day example of where paths like that lead shook me out of my stupor.

Stoking and exploiting xenophobia is one of the quickest/dirtiest tricks in the demagogue playbook. The ones these days can make a lot of money doing it, too.

It's kind of the social version of "wanna buy a watch..." but with graver consequences.

69 zora  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:07:19pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

it would be cool if you were. they probably get paid better than school teachers.

70 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:08:11pm

re: #67 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, I could imagine him being found with Sociopathic tendencies that prevented him from being enlisted.

Meanwhile, my first Ramadan Fast continues to be a struggle. Especially with the fact that my metabolism is hyper-quick. 12 hours to be precise.

Just keep thinking of Eid. I have heard that is some goooood eatin'.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:09:00pm

re: #67 ProLifeLiberal

Oh, I could imagine him being found with Sociopathic tendencies that prevented him from being enlisted.

Meanwhile, my first Ramadan Fast continues to be a struggle. Especially with the fact that my metabolism is hyper-quick. 12 hours to be precise.

Take it slow and easy, and don't expect yourself to perform exactly as you would if you weren't fasting.

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:09:06pm

re: #68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

It played on my natural aversion to religion. I got played.

73 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:09:42pm

re: #59 Slumbering Behemoth

For my part, I was heading down that "All muslims are evil and any muslim that claims they aren't is just trying to sell me tacos and gin" path.

Seeing a very clear, modern day example of where paths like that lead shook me out of my stupor.

I was in that same boat with you for a while SB.

74 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:10:37pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are you still proud? ;) /

75 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:11:09pm

re: #67 ProLifeLiberal


Meanwhile, my first Ramadan Fast continues to be a struggle. Especially with the fact that my metabolism is hyper-quick. 12 hours to be precise.

Do like the Saudis. Stay up most of the night and sleep most of the day.

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:11:17pm

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Feels good to be free, don't it?

77 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:12:35pm

ADL Applauds U.S. Directive on Preventing Mass Atrocities


New York, NY, August 4, 2011 The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today welcomed an executive order issued by President Barack Obama that enhances America's ability to prevent and respond to mass atrocities. The presidential directive also bars perpetrators of war crimes, crimes against humanity and other serious human rights violators from legally entering the United States.

According to the Aug. 4 Presidential Study Directive/PSD-10, "Preventing mass atrocities and genocide is a core national security interest and a core moral responsibility of the United States."

I wonder if this will affect any people whose careers have been built on inflaming bigotry.

78 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:12:54pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

It played on my natural aversion to religion. I got played.

Yeah, I know somebody (online), total secular left/liberal whatever...ended up voting for that anti-shariah law in Oklahoma, last year.

I feel that's also in part how that stupid anti-circ measure ended up on the ballot in my city, well that, and people just not paying attention. So you're not alone by any means.

Both got smacked down by the courts, but I bet there will be more.

79 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:13:02pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

On the 18th-19th, I get to Oklahoma:

Good Part: Days a bit shorter.

Bad Part: Why the flying hell is it so hot?!?!

80 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:14:18pm

re: #74 Sergey Romanov

Are you still proud? ;) /

Yeah, though I would switch Kafir to Heretic if I could do it over again.

81 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:14:26pm

re: #68 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Stoking and exploiting xenophobia is one of the quickest/dirtiest tricks in the demagogue playbook. The ones these days can make a lot of money doing it, too.

It's kind of the social version of "wanna buy a watch..." but with graver consequences.

Heh, this is kinda weird, but that reminds me of NYC. Whenever it rains, within 5 minutes people magically appear on the sidewalks selling umbrellas. It's almost as if the raindrops cause them sprout up straight out of the concrete like some kind of peculiar urban plant.

82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:14:31pm

re: #77 jaunte

ADL Applauds U.S. Directive on Preventing Mass Atrocities

I wonder if this will affect any people whose careers have been built on inflaming bigotry.

Honestly? I doubt it. Our incitement/1st Amendment bar is set too high, I think.

83 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:14:45pm

re: #79 ProLifeLiberal

On the 18th-19th, I get to Oklahoma:

Good Part: Days a bit shorter.

Bad Part: Why the flying hell is it so hot?!?!

Magnets.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:15:29pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah, though I would switch Kafir to Heretic if I could do it over again.

I think Charles can do it.

85 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:15:42pm

Gotta split. Check you guys out later.

86 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:15:59pm

re: #82 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Honestly? I doubt it. Our incitement/1st Amendment bar is set too high, I think.

I agree, but that's gonna change someday, sadly

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:03pm

re: #83 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Magnets.

Tide goes up.

88 Petero1818  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:16:25pm

re: #21 000G

Huh. In his manifesto and elsewhere it was because of "conscentious objector" status.

Yes, he objected to being labelled unfit for service.

89 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:17:02pm

re: #77 jaunte

ADL Applauds U.S. Directive on Preventing Mass Atrocities

Oh and I bet the same old bunch of bigots will once again be screaming how prevention of mass atrocities is the evil feds infringing on their precious rights.

If anyone needs to set their watch, I give them about 10 seconds.

90 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:17:07pm

re: #84 Sergey Romanov

I think Charles can do it.

Probably, but I'm not worried about it.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:17:20pm

re: #79 ProLifeLiberal

On the 18th-19th, I get to Oklahoma:

Good Part: Days a bit shorter.

Bad Part: Why the flying hell is it so hot?!?!

Remember, you absolutely must get lots of hydration and carbs every night.

92 zora  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:19:02pm

ot: [Link: thinkprogress.org...]

American Psychological Association Votes Unanimously To Support Gay Marriage

93 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:19:36pm

re: #92 zora

ot: [Link: thinkprogress.org...]

American Psychological Association Votes Unanimously To Support Gay Marriage

COMMIES!

94 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:19:40pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, you absolutely must get lots of hydration and carbs every night.

I would think more fats and protein would last longer in the metabolism, but that's speaking as a carb-sensitive person who never fasts intentionally.

95 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:19:44pm

re: #86 albusteve

I agree, but that's gonna change someday, sadly

It's going to take a lot to overturn Brandenburg vs Ohio (1969). Anything's possible, but I doubt it will be any time soon, tbh.

96 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:20:06pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, you absolutely must get lots of hydration and carbs every night.

I don't know how anyone could ever doubt your Jewishness the way you cluck over your lizard "kids" like a worried mama hen. ;o)

97 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:21:40pm

re: #92 zora

ot: [Link: thinkprogress.org...]

American Psychological Association Votes Unanimously To Support Gay Marriage

But what about MY rights! This is very French!

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:21:44pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

I would think more fats and protein would last longer in the metabolism, but that's speaking as a carb-sensitive person who never fasts intentionally.

Possibly. I was always taught to eat pasta before a fast, but this may just be a bubbe-meiseh.

99 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:22:15pm

Dead thread troll alert, aisle 5!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

100 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:22:53pm

re: #4 Thanos

I've been saying for a while that journalists need to start following the money behind these bigot bloggers. They need to put the real people funding and feeding the hate machine in front of the American people.

I'll bet there's nothing to discover. Charles' blog is a business and it seems to pay the rent; the notion that there's another, secret source of funding is preposterous.

Out on the fringes, there's still less chance of securing outside funding. The authors work day jobs and the things are run on shoestrings.

They don't have any mass following, either. People in America, on the whole, have enough troubles without borrowing them. Daily life and ordinary encounters form a more robust basis for opinions on race, gender, religion, etc., than do obscure blogs.

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:24:34pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Dead thread troll alert, aisle 5!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heh, he wrote a long brick of text, that was almost immediately deleted.

102 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:27:27pm

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

No new info unfortunately. It only says he was "weeded out" during the first round. I think he either faked a condition, or simply told them that he wasn't motivated for service at all. Sometimes that's enough.

In the old days (up until the 90s/00s) pretty much everyone was drafted. That is, unless they had serious conditions or were conscious objectors (which just meant that they had to do 14 months "civil service" instead of 12 months in the military.) These days, there's only a small percentage of 18/19-year olds who get drafted, so naturally the military prefer to draft those who are actually motivated. If you simply tell them that you're not the least bit motivated, chances are good that you won't get drafted. Maybe that's what Breivik did?

103 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #99 CuriousLurker

It's the dead thread ride of Troll Revere.

104 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:29:02pm

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

Heh, he wrote a long brick of text, that was almost immediately deleted.

I should probably be thankful I missed it.

105 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:30:04pm

Some good news - Reid announces deal to end FAA furloughs

106 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:31:02pm

re: #103 jaunte

It's the dead thread ride of Troll Revere.

It was those darned bells; give 'em away every time.

107 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:31:41pm

re: #104 CuriousLurker

I should probably be thankful I missed it.

He actually agreed with the author about demographics, but insisted that even a few bad apples can cause havoc, so that means ... something or other. He also insisted that Sharia took hold in the US, and at some point will replace the Constitution.

108 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:33:12pm

re: #107 Sergey Romanov

*headdesk*

109 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:34:55pm

re: #67 ProLifeLiberal

I don't think (suspicion of) being a sociopath is grounds for exemption from military duty. Can't remember any psychological tests when I was in.

Ramadan could have been worse. In northern Norway the sun never goes down during summer (midnight sun) so only eating after sundown isn't really possible.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:36:25pm

re: #109 JJ42

I don't think (suspicion of) being a sociopath is grounds for exemption from military duty. Can't remember any psychological tests when I was in.

Ramadan could have been worse. In northern Norway the sun never goes down during summer (midnight sun) so only eating after sundown isn't really possible.

I wonder how people manage. I assume there's rulings about what you do.

111 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:37:43pm

re: #102 JJ42

No new info unfortunately. It only says he was "weeded out" during the first round. I think he either faked a condition, or simply told them that he wasn't motivated for service at all. Sometimes that's enough.

In the old days (up until the 90s/00s) pretty much everyone was drafted. That is, unless they had serious conditions or were conscious objectors (which just meant that they had to do 14 months "civil service" instead of 12 months in the military.) These days, there's only a small percentage of 18/19-year olds who get drafted, so naturally the military prefer to draft those who are actually motivated. If you simply tell them that you're not the least bit motivated, chances are good that you won't get drafted. Maybe that's what Breivik did?

Men and women?

112 sagehen  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:39:02pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

Remember, you absolutely must get lots of hydration and carbs every night.

Stand up straight and get your hair back off your face. You have such pretty eyes, why do you hide them?

113 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:40:34pm

re: #112 sagehen

Stand up straight and get your hair back off your face. You have such pretty eyes, why do you hide them?


If your back hair reaches your face, you may have a problem

114 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:41:27pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how people manage. I assume there's rulings about what you do.

Yes, accommodations are made for that, not sure exactly what they are though since I never needed to know.

115 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:41:40pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they just use standard time. Strange that the all-knowing, all-seeing almighty didn't take midnight sun into account when he created the rules for his followers. Maybe there is a revision on it's way?

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:42:35pm

Article casting doubt on the OBL raid article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

117 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:42:38pm

re: #115 JJ42

I think they just use standard time. Strange that the all-knowing, all-seeing almighty didn't take midnight sun into account when he created the rules for his followers. Maybe there is a revision on it's way?

INFIDEL!

118 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:43:08pm

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition

After months of heated negotiations and failed attempts to achieve any kind of consensus, President Obama turned 50 years old Thursday, drawing strong criticism from Republicans in Congress. "With the host of problems this country is currently facing, the fact that our president is devoting time to the human process of aging is an affront to Americans everywhere," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who advocated a provision to keep Obama 49 at least through the fall of 2013.
119 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:44:01pm

Sort of OT: If you're a Mac user, I highly recommend the utility Keyboard Maestro. I just used it to set up a hot key macro that goes through all the steps needed to add the Twitter username of someone who's being abusive or stupid to Tweetdeck's "Global Filter." Now I can just type Control-Option-F, and I never see anything from them again.

Comes in very handy when Andrew Breitbart calls out his army of pinhead followers to flood the Twitter stream with insults.

120 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:45:20pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Obama Turns 50 Despite Republican Opposition

Rush's last schtick is saying Obama is adding flour to his hair to turn it gray.

121 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:47:09pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush's last schtick is saying Obama is adding flour to his hair to turn it gray.

Flour?
Why flour?
Why not, oh I dunno, gray hair color???
Lol@stupidRush.

122 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:48:00pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush's last schtick is saying Obama is adding flour to his hair to turn it gray.

He also calls insurance coverage for the "morning after" pill government funded abortion.

123 sagehen  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:48:23pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how people manage. I assume there's rulings about what you do.

[Link: www.lookstein.org...]

124 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:48:35pm

re: #119 Charles

Comes in very handy when Andrew Breitbart calls out his army of pinhead followers to flood the Twitter stream with insults.

I can sort of picture them wailing into the void.

125 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:48:51pm

re: #81 CuriousLurker

Heh, this is kinda weird, but that reminds me of NYC. Whenever it rains, within 5 minutes people magically appear on the sidewalks selling umbrellas. It's almost as if the raindrops cause them sprout up straight out of the concrete like some kind of peculiar urban plant.

That's what Republicans call small business.

126 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:48:54pm

re: #116 Sergey Romanov

Article casting doubt on the OBL raid article:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

My biggest complaint is that the original article was annoying to read, too many irrelevant details, too many panoramic descriptions, etc. I sort of assumed that it was probably not so much of an accurate account but part of someone's agenda. I do believe the part about it being a kill mission. Ossama wasn't going to be taken alive. I do think Bin Laden's son (the one they say wasn't there and is now missing) was indeed captured.
I'd like to see an update on the wives and kids. Are they still in Pakistani custody? I'm sure they have some stories to tell.

127 CuriousLurker  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:49:23pm

I really don't understand the desire to take potshots at people's beliefs just because you can. BBL

128 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:49:40pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Flour?
Why flour?
Why not, oh I dunno, gray hair color???
Lol@stupidRush.

Rush Limbaugh Calls Obama 'Jackass' Again


In response to Obama's call for "a balanced approach" to cutting the deficit, Limbaugh exclaimed, "Jackass!" He immediately added, "Balance my ass." Limbaugh also suggested that Obama had "extra flour in his hair today" when Obama asked for the cooperation of both parties on a larger plan to cut the deficit.
129 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:49:51pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Flour?
Why flour?
Why not, oh I dunno, gray hair color???
Lol@stupidRush.

So if he sweats he can make biscuits.

130 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:49:56pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

Only men in the old days. Theoretically, women should be drafted as well as men these days, considering the new anti-discrimination laws. However, it turns out that very few women actually wants to do military duty. Strange indeed.. I think there were two or three women in my battalion when I was in. One of them worked in the kitchen, the other one went back to a civilian life after a few months. There were some female officers however (4 or 5). Some of them (2-3) were quite foxy ;)

131 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:50:28pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

So if he sweats he can make biscuits.

That...
Makes perfect sense.
:)

132 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:50:34pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush's last schtick is saying Obama is adding flour to his hair to turn it gray.

Every president has gone gray(er) in office. I'm sorry there are so many people who can still tolerate the bitter pablum excreted by Limbaugh.

133 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:51:08pm

re: #130 JJ42

I think part of the female opposition to service may be the immense culture of sexual harassment and rape in the military. They've been fighting it for awhile, but it's still a huge problem.

134 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

That...
Makes perfect sense.
:)

As much sense as listening to a jowly drug addict for your political guidance.

135 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:52:17pm

re: #130 JJ42

OK, so you're a dude. :) I was fishing.

I also wanted to know if women served!

136 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:55:13pm

Glenn Beck Imagines An Attack On Israel From A Skincare Company
Lol.

137 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:56:05pm

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rush's last schtick is saying Obama is adding flour to his hair to turn it gray.

The desperate words of a jealous man.

138 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:57:12pm

Blockquote>"Jackass!" He immediately added, "Balance my ass."

There is not a scale in the world capable of that task, Rush.

139 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:57:25pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

I do think Bin Laden's son (the one they say wasn't there and is now missing) was indeed captured.

Uhoh. Don't go all conspiratorial on us now.

140 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:58:28pm

Balance my ass

rush is adding drugs to his ass to keep it stupid and to mitigate the effects of the small asteroids attracted by its powerful gravity

141 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:59:19pm

You ever get the feeling that the Onion has been hired by right wing pundits, bloggers and Twitterers?

142 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 2:59:23pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see an update on the wives and kids. Are they still in Pakistani custody? I'm sure they have some stories to tell.

"and then, dad walked in with a very cute goat and asked mom to join them in the bedroom with the video camera"

//

143 JJ42  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:00:20pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Yep, certified dude ;)

144 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:01:13pm

re: #141 Gus 802

You ever get the feeling that the Onion has been hired by right wing pundits, bloggers and Twitterers?

Why do you?

145 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:03:31pm

re: #139 Naso Tang

Uhoh. Don't go all conspiratorial on us now.

Some of the initial reports said they took one young male alive. May have been a false report, might be his son. If the wives start talking we'll have a better idea.

146 Varek Raith  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:05:30pm

Mars may have flowing saltwater, study says
SCIENCE!

147 eastwald  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:05:40pm

I remember coming to this blog way back when, absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles and the commentators. This Spencer rat thinks enlightenment equals payoff. In his world, nobody changes their mind, EVER. Look idiot, (I'm sorry for name calling, but this Spencer clown riles me up) if Charles was really in this for the money, he would have just pretended to go along with you and your ilk's insanity - he was the top dawg (or seemed to be at least) of the right wing blogs and the main founder of Pajamas media if I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure Charles could have made a fortune off this hate enterprise if he had wanted to.

I don't know Charles, but I put him in a group I call "thinking men" - men who are willing to change their opinions based on new facts/information. "A thinking man", Robert Spencer is not.

148 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:08:13pm

Limbaugh Says Obama's Economic "Role Model" Is Robert Mugabe, Who "Took The White People's Farms"


This guy's -- this guy obviously has got a new role model, Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe. The next thing to look out for is for Obama to take the farms. Well, that's what Zimbabwe, that's what Mugabe did, he took the white people's farms. That's the only, the only place they had any money.
149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:09:12pm

Diamonds
Image: E1ZZg.jpg

150 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:09:30pm

re: #147 eastwald

HOLD ON

How could you have been absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles


and state "nobody changes their mind, EVER." but conclude that Charles is in a group I call "thinking men" - men who are willing to change their opinions based on new facts/information.

151 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:10:09pm

re: #147 eastwald

re: #150 sattv4u2

HOLD ON

How could you have been absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles

and state "nobody changes their mind, EVER." but conclude that Charles is in a group I call "thinking men" - men who are willing to change their opinions based on new facts/information.


pimf

152 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:10:15pm

why is the UN still giving aid to Syria at the same time the the SC slaps Assad for genocide?...what a bunch of sell outs...I hate the UN
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

153 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:10:31pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Reminder: Boehner ran his debt plan by Limbaugh. He's not a fringe element. He's a central part of the GOP. And he's openly racist.

154 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:11:25pm

re: #151 sattv4u2

re: #150 sattv4u2
pimf

Maybe Preview is not his friend, just yours.

155 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:11:53pm

re: #152 albusteve

why is the UN still giving aid to Syria at the same time the the SC slaps Assad for genocide?...what a bunch of sell outs...I hate the UN
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

They always speak highly of you!!

156 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:12:03pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh Says Obama's Economic "Role Model" Is Robert Mugabe, Who "Took The White People's Farms"

Limbaugh must have gotten hold of the really good drugs.

157 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:12:57pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Maybe Preview is not his friend, just yours.

I can understand getting all riled up and emotional and mistype things, but the two sentences are diametrically opposed to each other

158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:13:16pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Reminder: Boehner ran his debt plan by Limbaugh. He's not a fringe element. He's a central part of the GOP. And he's openly racist.

It sells.

159 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:13:33pm

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh Says Obama's Economic "Role Model" Is Robert Mugabe, Who "Took The White People's Farms"

So does that mean that Rush thinks that letting the Bush tax cuts for the rich would be equal to Mugabe "taking white people's farms"? IOW taxing the rich is "taking white people's money" according to that idiot. Rush Limbaugh is an example of what's wrong with this country. Been so for a while now. Anyone that doesn't think he's racist is fecking drunk or something.

160 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:13:55pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

HOLD ON

How could you have been absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles

and state "nobody changes their mind, EVER." but conclude that Charles is in a group I call "thinking men" - men who are willing to change their opinions based on new facts/information.

You missed the 'in Spencer's world' part...

161 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:14:54pm

Ahhh,,, durnitt

Thought I had dodged a bullet

Son and friends went out earlier and I thought they'd be gone into the night

The swarm of locusts just walked in with the leader asking "whats for dinner"

162 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:15:19pm

re: #160 makeitstop

You missed the 'in Spencer's world' part...

thanks

163 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:15:41pm

re: #162 sattv4u2

thanks

Glad to help! :)

164 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:16:15pm

re: #160 makeitstop

BUT , still doesn';t explain the absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles with the same conclusion

165 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:16:42pm

The next thing to look out for is for Obama to take the farms

ironic since large corporations took over and eliminated the american family farm decades ago

166 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:17:03pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Flour?
Why flour?
Why not, oh I dunno, gray hair color???
Lol@stupidRush.

Yes, Rush. The president is putting flour in his hair. You caught him.

///

167 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:17:47pm

If today was the market's reaction to a lack of hope in economic recovery, imagine what its reaction would have been to the US defaulting on its debt. When McConnell admits he just held us all hostage and will do it again, how should a rational people react to such a threat?

168 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:18:06pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Rush. The president is putting flour in his hair. You caught him.

///

(slow clap)

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:18:13pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

So if he sweats he can make biscuits.

The president is magical. He sweats biscuits.

(Could be the man is simply going gray.)

170 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:19:12pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Rush. The president is putting flour in his hair. You caught him.

///

Rush is amazing isn't he? We're blessed to have him in our presence and in these times. A keen, sharp mind too.

//

171 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:19:38pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

The president is magical. He sweats biscuits.

(Could be the man is simply going gray.)

HE'S A DEMON!

172 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:20:41pm

re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, Rush. The president is putting flour in his hair. You caught him.

///

Just for today he's sweating birthday cake!

173 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:20:52pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Rush is amazing isn't he? We're blessed to have him in our presence and in these times. A keen, sharp mind too.

//

A mind like a steel trap, which has been lost in the woods for a few decades, rusted shut.

174 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:21:34pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Just for today he's sweating birthday cake!

Skip the chocolate frosting.

Trust me on this one.

175 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:25:30pm

Let's see. Oh yeah. The Nigerian oil disaster is an example of what happens when you let free markets regulate themselves. Any thoughts?

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:25:36pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Glenn Beck Imagines An Attack On Israel From A Skincare Company
Lol.

Thanks for the heads-up--I stand by for the angry e-mails to come my way.

177 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:27:46pm

re: #164 sattv4u2

BUT , still doesn';t explain the absolutely disgusted with what I saw posted by Charles with the same conclusion

It was way before my time here, but LGF used to be a very different place. Having said that - I used to lurk here every so often, and while I didn't agree with a lot of what was posted here I wasn't 'disgusted' with it. I just didn't agree.

Different people have different tolerance levels, I guess.

178 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:30:06pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Some of the initial reports said they took one young male alive. May have been a false report, might be his son. If the wives start talking we'll have a better idea.

I have trouble understanding why that would have been kept a secret, or what advantage it would have if true. What reports from who are you referencing?

179 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:31:45pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

If today was the market's reaction to a lack of hope in economic recovery, imagine what its reaction would have been to the US defaulting on its debt. When McConnell admits he just held us all hostage and will do it again, how should a rational people react to such a threat?

that should be "rational people", not "a rational people"./

180 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:34:05pm

This is interesting.

Eduardo Galeano, Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent, Translated by Cedric Belfrage (Monthly Review Press, New York and London, 1973).
3. The Invisible Sources of Power
As Lungs Need Air, So the U.S. Economy Needs Latin American Minerals

Likewise in Argentina, the foreign concerns and their native echoes have always insisted that the subsoil contains little petroleum, although investigations by technicians of Yacimientos Petroliferos Fiscales (YPF), the state organization, have established beyond doubt that deposits exist beneath almost half of the national territory and the Atlantic coastal shelf. Each time talk of the Argentine subsoil's poverty becomes fashionable, the government makes a new concession to some member of the cartel. YPF has been the target of continuous and systematic sabotage since its inception. Until a few years ago, Argentina was one of the last historical settings for the interim-perialist conflict between declining Britain and the ascendant United States. Cartel agreements did not prevent a dispute, sometimes involving violence, between Shell and Standard Oil over Argentina's petroleum: the coups d'etat that have followed one after the other in the past forty years provide some eloquent coincidences. The Argentine Congress was ready to pass the oil nationalization law on September 6, 1930, when Jose Felix Uriburu's barracks putsch ousted nationalist leader Hipolito Irigoyen from the presidency. The Ramon Castillo government fell in June 1943 when it was signing an agreement [179] to promote oil extraction by U.S. capitalists. In September 1955, Juan Domingo Peron went into exile when the Argentinian Congress was about to approve a concession to Standard Oil of California. Arturo Frondizi set off more than one acute crisis in the three branches of the armed services by announcing that the country's entire subsoil would be put up for bids by concerns interested in extracting petroleum. In August 1959 the offer was called off for lack of bidders. The plan was promptly revived and again called off in October 1960. Frondizi made various concessions to U.S. members of the cartel, and British interests -- decisive in the navy and in one political group in the army -- played a part in his fall in March 1962. Arturo Mia annulled the concessions and was overthrown in 1966; Juan Carlos Ongania's hydrocarbons law the following year showed the United States to be the final victor in the internal struggle.

181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:34:19pm

I have a question for Charles: If you're getting paid for selling out, where's our cut? I'll take mine rolled in with my Zionist check, thanks.

182 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:44:59pm

re: #178 Naso Tang

I have trouble understanding why that would have been kept a secret, or what advantage it would have if true. What reports from who are you referencing?


There were early reports like this one.....
Pakistan has bin Laden wife, children in custody

The official said the wife and children were left behind after an American transport helicopter, possibly an MH-60 Sea Hawk, was abandoned because of mechanical problems.

He said there was not enough room for the group on the other helicopters, which were transporting bin Laden's body, other male captives and the commandos.


Might be a false report, misquote or whatever. Despite what a lot of people seem to think, Obama has not shut down secret cia blacksites and rendering suspects to other governments for harsher interrogation. The missing bin laden son was supposed to be the heir to Al Qaeda. He's gone missing and nobody's seen or heard from him. If he was taken I suppose the wives might tell the story. We may never know for sure but I suspect he'll not be seen again.

183 HappyWarrior  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:45:42pm

He's a sad little man who convinces himself that the Crusades were an awesome thing.

184 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 3:50:28pm

Doesn't look good for the GOP...

TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @nytimes: NYT NEWS ALERT: Disapproval Rating of Congress at a Record 82 Percent, Poll Finds

TPM Talking Points Memo
Boehner's disapproval rises 16 points, now stands at 57%.

TPM Talking Points Memo
NYT/CBS poll finds 44% saying deficit was mostly caused by Bush, 15% by Obama.

185 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:00:41pm

re: #182 Killgore Trout

There were early reports like this one...
Pakistan has bin Laden wife, children in custody


Might be a false report, misquote or whatever. Despite what a lot of people seem to think, Obama has not shut down secret cia blacksites and rendering suspects to other governments for harsher interrogation. The missing bin laden son was supposed to be the heir to Al Qaeda. He's gone missing and nobody's seen or heard from him. If he was taken I suppose the wives might tell the story. We may never know for sure but I suspect he'll not be seen again.

Yes, the wives are in Pakistan. These are Islamist wives. Do you think they know anything that was not in the reams of data that was collected?

There is another older son that could could have been there, but his inside knowledge is unknown, as is he in Al Qaeda, and even if he had been captured he would not likely be prosecutable without something very specific tied to him.

The persons to capture would have been the "courier" killed, but the objective was not to capture and make martyr of anyone. I think OBL would have been shot had he been on his knees with hands in the air.

I don't buy any more conspiracies in this regard.

186 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:03:14pm

I'm late to the party, I know.

But I'll say that photo of Pam and Spencer is one of my faves.

He is looking just a tad befuddled, while she gloms onto him (they look like they're actually joined at the hip) in her Oh-Look-At-Me-I'm-So-Hawt pose.

187 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:04:23pm

Image: America__s_Education_Problem.JPG

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:05:08pm

re: #187 Gus 802

Pretty much.

189 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:10:44pm

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pretty much.

Yeah. It drives me crazy sometimes. I mean what does it take to learn and get an education? For the most part it takes reading, practicing, doing assignments, etc. But for the most part it's reading an immersion. It doesn't require special tools. It doesn't require a computer. All it takes is a book and discipline.

190 eastwald  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:12:23pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

I think it was pretty clear I was talking about Spencer, not Charles. Charles has shown he is a thinking man, and has changed his mind many times, based on new evidence and information.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:12:28pm

re: #189 Gus 802

Yeah. It drives me crazy sometimes. I mean what does it take to learn and get an education? For the most part it takes reading, practicing, doing assignments, etc. But for the most part it's reading an immersion. It doesn't require special tools. It doesn't require a computer. All it takes is a book and discipline.

Don Bosco said that all you really need to teach is a tree and a Bible.

192 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:13:54pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Don Bosco said that all you really need to teach is a tree and a Bible.

What's the tree for shade?

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:16:56pm

re: #192 Gus 802

What's the tree for shade?

Presumably, but it could also work as a good manipulable for biology, math...a good tree is always useful.

But I think he actually meant you could sit under it.

194 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:18:03pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Presumably, but it could also work as a good manipulable for biology, math...a good tree is always useful.

But I think he actually meant you could sit under it.

trees are for climbing

195 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:19:19pm

re: #185 Naso Tang

It's not a conspiracy theory. Just speculation.

196 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:20:22pm

re: #195 Killgore Trout
Hamza bin Laden

Hamza is the son of Khairiah Sabar of Saudi Arabia, one of Bin Laden's three wives who were living in the Abbottabad compound.[11] Interrogation of the surviving wives of Osama Bin Laden by Pakistani intelligence after the raid on the Abbottabad revealed Hamza, who was living in the compound at the time, was the only person missing. He was not among those killed or injured. The raid by the American Navy Seals was thorough: infrared technology, as well as ground troops, remained confident nobody inside the compound got away. There were no hidden exit tunnels from the compound. However, whether inside or outside the compound during the raid, Hamza escaped and remains at large.[12][13] Hamza remains wanted by the FBI for terrorist activities, It is believed Hamza Bin Laden was groomed by his father as his successor in Al-Qaeda.
197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:22:14pm

I've been summoned for jury duty.

Think this'd work for me?

198 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:22:23pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Hamza bin Laden

Hamza in Arabic means target

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:23:13pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Good for the mock crucifixions too.

200 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:24:14pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Presumably, but it could also work as a good manipulable for biology, math...a good tree is always useful.

But I think he actually meant you could sit under it.

I was thinking...

Used algebra book (still applies to this date): $1.00
Used English grammar book (still applies to this date): $1.00
Used history book (still applies to this date): $1.00
Used basic science book (still applies to this date): $1.00
Paper: $10.00
Pencils and sharpner: $5.00
Reading and discipline: Free
Total cost: $19.00

My sister was working as a math tutor for the state of CA. It was call center. The state pays the sub contractor $900 per student for these calls. When the student finishes they get a free laptop. Most of them just slog their way through the tutoring just to get the laptop.

Hip hip. Hooray.

201 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:24:41pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Doesn't look good for the GOP...

TPM Talking Points Memo
RT @nytimes: NYT NEWS ALERT: Disapproval Rating of Congress at a Record 82 Percent, Poll Finds

TPM Talking Points Memo
Boehner's disapproval rises 16 points, now stands at 57%.

TPM Talking Points Memo
NYT/CBS poll finds 44% saying deficit was mostly caused by Bush, 15% by Obama.

I hate to take the cynical view, but they've got plenty of time to work on that.

202 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:25:37pm

re: #198 albusteve

Hamza in Arabic means target

That explains the cross hairs on his prayer cap.

203 eastwald  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:27:47pm

re: #177 makeitstop

Disgusted was the wrong word - I seriously disagreed with Charles at that time. I stand by my words though. I was a racist in high school (got harassed by black guys a lot and took it out on entire race) but quickly learned it was absolute bullshit when I hit the real world. I'm very down on people getting lumped into bad categories for beliefs they once held. People who can't change their mind or opinion about something, regardless of the facts presented, are dangerous people.

204 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:30:08pm

re: #192 Gus 802

What's the tree for shade?


The Lord loves a hangin'.

205 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:30:53pm

And kids can still get books at the library. For free. All they have to do is go to the library and find the book and read. Again, for free except for a light during the night. It's just that simple.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:32:09pm

re: #205 Gus 802

"Soap is cheap and libraries are free."

My momma used to say that.

207 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:33:15pm

re: #201 makeitstop

I hate to take the cynical view, but they've got plenty of time to work on that.

If one year and a few months is considered "plenty" before the entire House is flushed and everything has to start from scratch...

208 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:33:35pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Soap is cheap and libraries are free."

My momma used to say that.

Commie.

209 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:35:11pm

re: #205 Gus 802

And kids can still get books at the library. For free. All they have to do is go to the library and find the book and read. Again, for free except for a light during the night. It's just that simple.

Libraries are the houses of Stan.

/ :B

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:35:26pm

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

211 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:35:46pm

re: #209 laZardo

Libraries are the houses of Stan.

/ :B

Why keep all those books when you only need one?

212 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:36:45pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

Ain't it grand?

213 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:38:46pm

re: #207 laZardo

If one year and a few months is considered "plenty" before the entire House is flushed and everything has to start from scratch...

Let's hope so.

I'm really hoping they continue to disregard the polls and really go all-out to drive their numbers even lower. That Tea Party strategy they've been talking about will help with that.

214 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:39:17pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

Yea baby.. I have never invested in the Stock Market...But I don't feel smug...Sorry about a Trillion dollars going up in smoke today

215 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:39:32pm

re: #213 makeitstop

Let's hope so.

I'm really hoping they continue to disregard the polls and really go all-out to drive their numbers even lower. That Tea Party strategy they've been talking about will help with that.

Well, we saw how well that worked in Canada.

/

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:40:05pm

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Hey, buddy. Hope you're staying cool out there.

217 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:40:40pm

re: #209 laZardo

Libraries are the houses of Stan.

/ :B


A million years ago I won my parochial school's spelling bee, and got invited to the county championship.

Came in dead last, misspelling what possibly might have been the easiest word in the bee.

Librarian is not spelled "l-i-b-r-i-a-n."

218 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:46:00pm

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey, buddy. Hope you're staying cool out there.

No..It's horrible...I've never been through anything like this heat wave..And according to the locals.. They haven't either..
Once you get past 105+ degrees the car A/C doesn't even work any more..
Just warm air..The steering wheel is too hot to touch..You feel like you are living in a freaking oven..Hard to breathe...I can see how some people just die from this crap...

219 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:48:18pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

{ ...Hoops... }

(cool, airy hug)

220 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:48:51pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

It never rains in Southern California...
*waves*
Sorry for the heat.
*smooch*

221 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:49:53pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

No..It's horrible...I've never been through anything like this heat wave..And according to the locals.. They haven't either..
Once you get past 105+ degrees the car A/C doesn't even work any more..
Just warm air..The steering wheel is too hot to touch..You feel like you are living in a freaking oven..Hard to breathe...I can see how some people just die from this crap...

Have a nice cool...uh...well, just imagine the upding is something cool. @_@

222 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:50:14pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I've lost track of how many conversations in person and online about Israel have ended with my being accused of being a paid Mossad agent.

You're not?
My bad!
///

223 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:50:50pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.


Up until about a year or so ago, I was an ant, not a grasshopper.

The permanent job search has left me feeling very grasshoppery these days.

224 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:52:02pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

Consider yourself & Winston sent a case of frozen Otter Pops!
Yes, you may have all of your preferred color ones.

225 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:54:28pm

re: #222 Floral Giraffe

You're not?
My bad!
///

I could never be a Mossad Agent.

The Illuminati won't let me.

226 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:56:09pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

Consider yourself & Winston sent a case of frozen Otter Pops!
Yes, you may have all of your preferred color ones.

Thanks.. It's stupid hot here...You know..Since I moved here..I've been through a Blizzard, 80mph hail storm, Tornadoes and now this..
My boss wants to kill me off
/

227 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:57:11pm

re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You could always be a desperado for the Freemasons.

228 BongCrodny  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:57:26pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

No..It's horrible...I've never been through anything like this heat wave..And according to the locals.. They haven't either..
Once you get past 105+ degrees the car A/C doesn't even work any more..
Just warm air..The steering wheel is too hot to touch..You feel like you are living in a freaking oven..Hard to breathe...I can see how some people just die from this crap...


Those guys at the prayer festival this Sunday in Texas -- I'm thinking that after seven hours in the Texas heat with 50,000+ sweating people, whoever walks around the Reliant Stadium parking lot with a cooler full of bottled water is going to be able to name his own price, praise Capitalist Jesus.

229 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 4:58:56pm

Tomorrow might not be much better.

Australia S&P/ASX SPI futures down 3.2% pre-market

Japan's Nikkei Average futures dive 3.7% on SGX

230 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:00:01pm

re: #201 makeitstop

I hate to take the cynical view, but they've got plenty of time to work on that.

Not with the ideological trajectory I'm looking at. As soon as congress reconvenes the GOP will be back at "homosexuals and abortions!" That and their usual anti-science bologna. So far the GOP came into the house giving Americans the impression that they will be about jobs or turning the economy around. They've offered little to nothing other than the usual drivel about tax cuts and austerity measures.

It's very tiring though watching American's flip between Republican and Democrat presidents. Bush is president for 8 years and we end up having the meltdown of 2008 and trillions in debt. No job growth and no wage growth. Americans then say, "I better get those Republicans out of the WH" and then proceed to vote for a Democrat. 4 years later they're doing the same thing with the Democrat in the WH? What's the answer then for these Americans? Bringing back another Republican into the WH?

But they'll be back and the next big fight will likely be over DOMA. The Feds need to get their asses out of the personal life of Americans. The Federal government has no place in defining marriage nor is it called for in the Constitution. If some state wants to make illegal. Fine I guess. We can just laugh at them and avoid doing business with that state. Why are we even having that debate? DOMA should go. Full stop.

And the Democrats need to grow some bigger balls and start playing hardball with the Republicans. Because the Republican Party is playing hardball with them. My advice is to replace Reid and Pelosi. You can barely hear a word coming out of Reid and Pelosi is "meh." The Democrats need leaders that are ready, willing, and able, to kick some ass. Those two just won't cut it.

231 compound idaho  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:01:42pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Tomorrow might not be much better.

Australia S&P/ASX SPI futures down 3.2% pre-market

Japan's Nikkei Average futures dive 3.7% on SGX

Stock are on sale! Yields are rallying!

232 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:02:38pm

Pam and Spencer's site International Free Press Society has been hacked.

233 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:02:58pm

Every time I see the photo at the top of this thread, Spencer reminds me of a nerdy guy who badly wants to bang the chick he thinks is so hot. He never will, but his dream remains alive as long as she will associate with him.

234 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:05:11pm

The wingnut's joy over the plummeting market won;t last long. I assume the Fed will do something (whatever it is they do) and if this is serious enough we're looking at another round of stimulus spending.

235 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:08:00pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

The wingnut's joy over the plummeting market won;t last long. I assume the Fed will do something (whatever it is they do) and if this is serious enough we're looking at another round of stimulus spending.

KT ... The market is everyone's problem.

236 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:09:23pm

re: #233 _RememberTonyC

Every time I see the photo at the top of this thread, Spencer reminds me of a nerdy guy who badly wants to bang the chick he thinks is so hot. He never will, but his dream remains alive as long as she will associate with him.

That explains Anonymous so accurately it's frightening.

237 recusancy  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:09:42pm

re: #177 makeitstop

It was way before my time here, but LGF used to be a very different place. Having said that - I used to lurk here every so often, and while I didn't agree with a lot of what was posted here I wasn't 'disgusted' with it. I just didn't agree.

Different people have different tolerance levels, I guess.

It was a bit disgusting and nutty.

238 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:09:50pm

re: #235 _RememberTonyC

KT ... The market is everyone's problem.

it's a matter of degrees...big for some, less for others

239 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:09:54pm

Robert Spencer just tweeted again:

@Lizardoid Calling truth and fighting for freedom "bigotry," & claiming I caused Norway wont make it true. Learning from Goebbels, are you?

Godwinned himself right out.

240 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:10:16pm

re: #234 Killgore Trout

The wingnut's joy over the plummeting market won;t last long. I assume the Fed will do something (whatever it is they do) and if this is serious enough we're looking at another round of stimulus spending.

Sadly, the only arrow the Fed has left in its quiver is to force the banks to pay for parking their money in the Fed. Right now, banks *make* a small amount of money each day by not lending. Reversing that policy would have a tendency to increase lending. One hopes. Or we are truly fucked. Todays losses were around one trillion $s in capital.

241 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:13:22pm

re: #239 Charles

Robert Spencer just tweeted again:

Godwinned himself right out.

So he's really putting himself in the same position as Goebbels' victims? Really?

242 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:13:39pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Pam and Spencer's site International Free Press Society has been hacked.

Oh darn.

243 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:13:58pm

what we need is even more govt incompetence...haven't they fucked things up enough?

244 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:16:21pm

re: #240 austin_blue

Sadly, the only arrow the Fed has left in its quiver is to force the banks to pay for parking their money in the Fed. Right now, banks *make* a small amount of money each day by not lending. Reversing that policy would have a tendency to increase lending. One hopes. Or we are truly fucked. Todays losses were around one trillion $s in capital.

Just get rid of the Fed then! Banks could make better policy on their own.

/im getting good at this

245 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:16:56pm

If Spencer is such a "freedom fighter" why doesn't he go to Bahrain? Why doesn't he go to Syria or even Egypt? Of course you won't see him on the front lines with real freedom fighters. Instead you'll see him at the next gathering of bigots sponsored by paranoid co-bigots like the EDL or the BNP.

246 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:17:07pm

re: #243 albusteve

what we need is even more govt incompetence...haven't they fucked things up enough?

It's always been this way.. America seems to come out fine...The beauty of America is we grow and learn...

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:17:33pm

re: #223 BongCrodny

Up until about a year or so ago, I was an ant, not a grasshopper.

The permanent job search has left me feeling very grasshoppery these days.

I understand the ant's point. But to let the grasshopper sit outside his door and starve to death also makes the ant an un-caring motherfucker.

One of my problems with storing food for a famine. Who could watch other people starve? I sure couldn't.

248 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:18:41pm

re: #243 albusteve

what we need is even more govt incompetence...haven't they fucked things up enough?

The economy isn't going to fix itself.

249 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:19:39pm

re: #238 albusteve

it's a matter of degrees...big for some, less for others

But anyone with a 401k has a dog in the fight ...

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:20:03pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

YAY, US!!

251 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:21:08pm

re: #236 laZardo

That explains Anonymous so accurately it's frightening.

Anonymous?

252 albusteve  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:21:10pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

The economy isn't going to fix itself.

neither are the feds...they wreak havoc wherever they show up, that's why I think things will get even worse yet

253 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:22:01pm

Charles has written a book and needs to peddle it?

Oh, wait, that's how Pammy and Robby are trying to make money . . .

Investment person told me today that the "market was correcting itself".

Mitt fell victim to the Bachmann Oompah Loompahs?

My it has been a day.

How is everyone?

254 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:22:49pm

re: #251 _RememberTonyC

Anonymous?

4chan users. q;

255 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:23:20pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

The economy isn't going to fix itself.

Not according to the gospel of Freemarket Jesus.

The system is broken. The world economy is in need of radical changes because the system as we've known until now is not working. This includes economic and changes within governments to avoid bankruptcy of nations and declining monetary values. Or least methods to reduce their impact on the average world citizen. What we are facing now is far larger than what occurs within our borders alone. This is a global crisis. If we patch things up they will only return as we've seen today.

256 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:25:18pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Bring back the gold standard. That way the free market can sort itself out, and the gold provides the stability to prevent prolonged recessions like these!

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:25:20pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Global re-set button?

258 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:26:40pm

re: #237 recusancy

It was a bit disgusting and nutty.

I remember more than one discussion about how to wage war against the Muslims when most Muslims were just regular people trying to get thru the day.

Then all the different labels starting appearing -Fundamentalist Muslims, Jihadi, Islamists, Whacko™.

Now, I think "Terrorist" seems to fit the best--

259 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:26:59pm

re: #252 albusteve

neither are the feds...they wreak havoc wherever they show up, that's why I think things will get even worse yet

Really? You mean like the havoc they caused on 10/08 when Hank Paulson and the Bush WH called for TARP (close to 1 trillion) which saved the USA from financial disaster? The ones that the banks and financial institution literally begged for themselves? Or the one that saved GMC from going the way of the Dodo bird? Those Feds?

260 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:28:27pm

re: #255 Gus 802

What we are facing now is far larger than what occurs within our borders alone

Exactly, this is what many conservatives don't see.

One World

is here and now.

261 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:28:39pm

re: #256 laZardo

Like magic! The gold standard will refill the coffers of Greece, Ireland and Portugal! It's the silver bullet and you only need one! Gold standard? Problem solved.

//

262 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:28:45pm

re: #259 Gus 802

Wingnut mockery-mimicry aside, I would like a nice gold coin to add to my collection (more than 20 countries, and some spanning 250 years. O_O )

Already got Aluminum, Copper, Bronze, Brass and Silver. Might as well complete the set until I can afford Platinum. ;p

263 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:29:32pm

Who was it that would put a gold coin in the mouth of the dead so they could pay the ferryman?

264 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:30:32pm

re: #263 ggt
Roman Emperors

265 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:31:41pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Because the Republican Party is playing hardball with them

i don't think it is nearly as polite as hardball

i've said for years that the democratic party will never be able to compete with the game the republicans are playing until they are willing to lie as much as they've been doing for the past 30 years, and now we see the ante upped to where they'd have to be as willing to destroy the country just to get what they want

and the democrats will never do that, so they will always lose

i think the koch bros et al are perfectly willing to utterly destroy the american economy for a decade, since the outcome would be an american workforce of beat, whimpering, minimum wage workers with no pensions, health care, collective bargaining rights and no prospect of real upward mobility

and they are succeeding

prepare to whimper

266 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:32:08pm

re: #262 laZardo

Wingnut mockery-mimicry aside, I would like a nice gold coin to add to my collection (more than 20 countries, and some spanning 250 years. O_O )

Already got Aluminum, Copper, Bronze, Brass and Silver. Might as well complete the set until I can afford Platinum. ;p

I collect coins and paper from all over the world...I have just about every coin and paper currency from every country in the world.. It's been a hobby of mine for years.. My oldest coin is from England in 1361...

267 recusancy  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:33:42pm

re: #265 engineer dog

In a few decades white people will be a minority and then so will the GOP. Hopefully it's not too late.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:33:45pm

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Yea baby.. I have never invested in the Stock Market...But I don't feel smug...Sorry about a Trillion dollars going up in smoke today

And those with available funds probably found some good deals. Most events that are disastrous for some are opportunities for others.

The company I work for finished up a deal last week. They bought four polypropylene plants off of Dow Chemical (two in Texas, two in Germany). I think this now makes them one of the top five polypropylene producers in the world.

And my former employer is in the midst of selling off another plant. They have been in constant downsizing mode for the last 2-3 years as they sell off hard assets and mothballing older facilities to keep up cash flow requirements of their central refinery business.

269 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:35:21pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

By the way... those of us who've very little savings and have squandered every penny we've made are feeling kind of smug today.

Some of us sold last week.

270 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:36:58pm

re: #245 Gus 802

If Spencer is such a "freedom fighter" why doesn't he go to Bahrain? .

Cuz he's a WASP freedom fighter.

271 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:37:25pm

re: #265 engineer dog

i don't think it is nearly as polite as hardball

i've said for years that the democratic party will never be able to compete with the game the republicans are playing until they are willing to lie as much as they've been doing for the past 30 years, and now we see the ante upped to where they'd have to be as willing to destroy the country just to get what they want

and the democrats will never do that, so they will always lose

i think the koch bros et al are perfectly willing to utterly destroy the american economy for a decade, since the outcome would be an american workforce of beat, whimpering, minimum wage workers with no pensions, health care, collective bargaining rights and no prospect of real upward mobility

and they are succeeding

prepare to whimper

The Democrats need to get angry. They need to take a stand and speak strongly and firmly. Otherwise they're going to continue to be lead by the nose by the GOP. Look. They were basically being toyed with by the GOP even when they had a super majority, through filibusters. Health care reform was literally hijacked by their own party members. And throughout this time I could barely hear a word coming out of Pelosi's and Reid's mouths. Do we really want to trust the future of the Democratic Party by two multi-millionaire, rich and comfortable, septuagenarians?

272 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:37:25pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

Was thinking of getting a society membership to put the best samples in graded cases. Which one are you in?

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:37:30pm

re: #263 ggt

Who was it that would put a gold coin in the mouth of the dead so they could pay the ferryman?

I hope grandpa can swim! 'Cause I stole it!

(old joke)

274 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:38:08pm

I guess what I'm saying is that the Democrats need a rational Howard Dean. What they need is another Ted Kennedy again.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:39:10pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

I collect coins and paper from all over the world...I have just about every coin and paper currency from every country in the world.. It's been a hobby of mine for years.. My oldest coin is from England in 1361...

I presume you already have Malaysian and Vietnam currency. If not I have a little left over from my trip...

:)

276 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:39:23pm

re: #267 recusancy

In a few decades white people will be a minority and then so will the GOP. Hopefully it's not too late.

i think it is too late

bush already destroyed so much, and in the last week the recovery has been killed

277 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:39:33pm

Cuomo?

278 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:40:33pm

Someone with chutzpah. Pelotas...

279 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:40:47pm

How many years did it take to remove this monster from the people he was brainwashing and kids he was abusing?

Something is wrong with the system.

280 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:41:59pm

re: #263 ggt

Who was it that would put a gold coin in the mouth of the dead so they could pay the ferryman?

The Greeks. River Styks and Charon (moon of Pluto appropriately). Was that a question or did I miss a reference?

281 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:43:44pm

re: #271 Gus 802

The Democrats need to get angry. They need to take a stand and speak strongly and firmly. Otherwise they're going to continue to be lead by the nose by the GOP. Look. They were basically being toyed with by the GOP even when they had a super majority, through filibusters. Health care reform was literally hijacked by their own party members. And throughout this time I could barely hear a word coming out of Pelosi's and Reid's mouths. Do we really want to trust the future of the Democratic Party by two multi-millionaire, rich and comfortable, septuagenarians?

you can't negotiate with people who would be perfectly pleased to shoot the heads off of the babies they are holding hostage

boner said he got 98% of what he wanted in the death ceiling deal, but the wingnuts are still furious

they wanted to shoot the baby

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:45:10pm

re: #263 ggt

Who was it that would put a gold coin in the mouth of the dead so they could pay the ferryman?

Mediterranean custom--coins in the mouth, or on the eyes.

283 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:45:42pm

re: #275 oaktree

I presume you already have Malaysian and Vietnam currency. If not I have a little left over from my trip...

:)

I have a safe full of money.. I recall trading Walter some really old Chinese paper and some bucks from the Cayman Islands for a meteorite from Africa..I've probably been collecting money for 20 years..

284 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:46:02pm

Anybody seen the South Park episode on Mormonism? It was on last night.

(just trying to speed things up here)

285 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:46:45pm

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

Mediterranean custom--coins in the mouth, or on the eyes.

Cosa Nostra are just copycats.

286 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:48:22pm

re: #283 HoosierHoops

I have a safe full of money.. I recall trading Walter some really old Chinese paper and some bucks from the Cayman Islands for a meteorite from Africa..I've probably been collecting money for 20 years..

Interested in any $2 bills? I have perhaps 20. Don't know what to do with them.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:51:04pm

re: #286 Naso Tang

Once a guy told me, "Strippers love two dollar bills."

I told him, "My sister was a stripper. It is awful what that does to a woman's life."

He kind of let the subject drop.

288 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:51:23pm

re: #287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Once a guy told me, "Strippers love two dollar bills."

I told him, "My sister was a stripper. It is awful what that does to a woman's life."

He kind of let the subject drop.

good answer

289 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:51:29pm

re: #281 engineer dog

you can't negotiate with people who would be perfectly pleased to shoot the heads off of the babies they are holding hostage

boner said he got 98% of what he wanted in the death ceiling deal, but the wingnuts are still furious

they wanted to shoot the baby

OK. But name one Democrat in the House that stood up to the Tea Party and spoke out and which was covered by the mainstream press? I sure can't. Barely heard a word out of Nancy Pelosi. She didn't even start Tweeting -- or her office -- until the very last days of the negotiating. Who's running her office?

The only Democrat to state his case wound up being Obama and that was at the last minute. Many have said that he poorly stated his case and ignored the Bush tax cuts [once again]. Instead we heard a few dysfunctional statements from Biden saying something about "terrorism" regarding the budget deal. Barely a word from the Democrats got out to the media otherwise. All eyes were on Boehner, McConnell and Obama. That's lame. Seriously lame.

290 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:52:16pm

Alleged comment from Biden that is.

291 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:52:33pm

re: #289 Gus 802

That's it, the Republic is Finished.

I'm SOOOO freaking tired of these people.

292 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:52:47pm

well, since we are on the subject currency collecting, actually i have a paper money collection myself

my favorites are german and russian bills from the first two decades of the 20th century

the german currency has particularly beautiful designs, and then the notegelds are well known for their kuhl graphics

have you guys ever looked at ron wise's world paper money website?

293 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:53:37pm

re: #284 Naso Tang

Anybody seen the South Park episode on Mormonism? It was on last night.

(just trying to speed things up here)

No, was it good?

294 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:54:04pm

Brat puppy just rolled a box of garbage bag down the stairs. . .

I asked "is that yours" and he put his head down and walked away.

295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:54:58pm

re: #288 ggt

I am serious. I always have a ball when I'm with a group of guys who say, "Woo hoo! Let's go to a strip club!"

I tell them, "Hey, you guys go ahead. I'll hang back. My sister was a stripper, got addicted to drugs, got Hepatitis. It was years ago; she still suffers from what that life did to her. But, y'all go ahead! Have a great time!"

They never seem to go.

Speaking of smug...

296 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:55:05pm

re: #293 ggt

No, was it good?

It pulled no punches, but there was a punch line. I won't spoil it for you.

297 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:56:50pm

re: #291 ggt

That's it, the Republic is Finished.

I'm SOOO freaking tired of these people.

Seriously? Was it me? All we saw on the news was Boehner, Boehner, Boehner. May Reid came out and said "huh, huh, mer, mer, huh, huh" with the volume set at 2. I could barely hear what he was saying. Pelosi also mumbled something. But that was it. The cameras went back to Boehner. Later McConnell. Sure, they also kept focus on Obama. But in the end Obama ended up playing the role of Senate Majority Leader.

298 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:57:15pm

re: #289 Gus 802

OK. But name one Democrat in the House that stood up to the Tea Party and spoke out and which was covered by the mainstream press? I sure can't. Barely heard a word out of Nancy Pelosi. She didn't even start Tweeting -- or her office -- until the very last days of the negotiating. Who's running her office?

The only Democrat to state his case wound up being Obama and that was at the last minute. Many have said that he poorly stated his case and ignored the Bush tax cuts [once again]. Instead we heard a few dysfunctional statements from Biden saying something about "terrorism" regarding the budget deal. Barely a word from the Democrats got out to the media otherwise. All eyes were on Boehner, McConnell and Obama. That's lame. Seriously lame.

yeah, well that's about the size of it

and, i've stopped hanging out at eschaton because i can't stand reading all the whining about how obama is a republican, every day ad nauseaum

and, mcconnell the evil turtle was so pleased with the hostage strategy that he said they'd do the same thing to the next president when the death sealing comes up again in 2013 - exactly the same thing

if the democrats knew how to fight they'd have that clip up on teevee until every voter in the country has heard it ten times, but we'll see... i doubt it...

299 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:00:06pm

re: #297 Gus 802

Seriously? Was it me? All we saw on the news was Boehner, Boehner, Boehner. May Reid came out and said "huh, huh, mer, mer, huh, huh" with the volume set at 2. I could barely hear what he was saying. Pelosi also mumbled something. But that was it. The cameras went back to Boehner. Later McConnell. Sure, they also kept focus on Obama. But in the end Obama ended up playing the role of Senate Majority Leader.

They should just admit they are out of their league. None of them are math majors . . .

300 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:00:49pm

re: #294 ggt

Brat puppy just rolled a box of garbage bag down the stairs. . .

I asked "is that yours" and he put his head down and walked away.

He found a rawhide and brought it back into my viewing range and is chewing on it.

Yes, he is trying to be a good boy.

301 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:04:08pm

Jobs report is due out tomorrow.

302 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:06:02pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

The economy isn't going to fix itself.

The government can't create jobs, only employers create jobs. Small business employs 64% of Americans. Support your local small busineses.

303 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:13:13pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

No..It's horrible...I've never been through anything like this heat wave..And according to the locals.. They haven't either..
Once you get past 105+ degrees the car A/C doesn't even work any more..
Just warm air..The steering wheel is too hot to touch..You feel like you are living in a freaking oven..Hard to breathe...I can see how some people just die from this crap...

Those windshield reflectors are useful.

304 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:58:16pm

re: #102 JJ42

Thanks for the reply JJ. I guess it will remain a mystery for now.

305 Nisse  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:31:53am

His main inspiration is no longer anonymous:
Breivik's political idol «Fjordman» emerges from anonymity

Looks like a nice guy...

306 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:45:26am

re: #305 Nisse

His main inspiration is no longer anonymous:
Breivik's political idol «Fjordman» emerges from anonymity

Looks like a nice guy...

He's not.

307 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:05:56am

re: #148 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Limbaugh Says Obama's Economic "Role Model" Is Robert Mugabe, Who "Took The White People's Farms"

Sounds like a set up by Rush, so he can say "I told you so," and further this theme, when farm subsidies become part of the deficit-cut-spending meme.

308 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:34:00pm

re: #305 Nisse

His main inspiration is no longer anonymous:
Breivik's political idol «Fjordman» emerges from anonymity

Looks like a nice guy...

I'm neutralizing my down-ding since it seems you just forgot //sarc tags


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