Todd Rundgren and Daryl Hall: Sweet

They won’t admit they need to be rescued
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Here’s a near-perfect version of one of my very favorite songs by Todd Rundgren, with Daryl Hall singing counterpoint and a terrific band: “Sweet,” from Todd’s criminally overlooked album Liars.

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I’ve been living with a lie for so long now, baby
I gotta set my soul free, I can’t take it no more
That’s why I gotta
Sing, shout it, tell the world about it
The truth is sweet

I made a promise to myself not to let nobody else
Have any sway on the way I lived my life
I didn’t see the need to compromise but now I’ve come to realize
That living is more than just surviving
And I’ve been lying to myself, I gotta cover up what I feel
But now it’s time I must admit this is real, this is real

The truth is sweet
Just like honey from a bee
The truth is sweet

So many people in the world let it all pass them by
They won’t admit they need to be rescued from their lonely lives
That’s why we gotta
Sing, shout it, tell the world about it
The truth is sweet

When you’ve been hurt so many times it’s enough to make you blind
To anything that looks like true happiness
Nobody wants to be the foolish one but after all is said and done
You constantly settle for less
It’s like a broken carousel
It just goes round and round and round
But now it’s time you admit
You’ve lost ground
Hear that sound?

The truth is sweet
Just like a baby’s kiss
The truth is sweet

Go on admit it
You know you want it to be true
Go on admit it
You say you don’t but you know you do
Go on admit it
You’ve been disguising what you feel
You could be living in a fantasy
But then that fantasy could turn out to be real
So real, so real

Sweet and true like my love for you

And everybody in the world’s
Gonna wake up some day
Singing love is the answer
Love is the answer
What’s left to say?

That’s why I
Sing, shout it, tell the world about it
The truth is sweet

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713 comments
1 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:57:54pm

Filling out applications for two art stores near a community college walking distance from my place.

Yes, they are filled with hipsters. I should get hazard pay.

/ q;

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 5:58:58pm

re: #1 laZardo

Filling out applications for two art stores near a community college walking distance from my place.

Yes, they are filled with hipsters. I should get hazard pay.

/ q;

Knock Knock

3 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:00:57pm

re: #1 laZardo

Filling out applications for two art stores near a community college walking distance from my place.

Yes, they are filled with hipsters. I should get hazard pay.

/ q;

I'd ask which art stores, but I probably never heard of them.

4 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:01:55pm

Q. How many hipsters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Its a pretty obscure number, you've probably never heard of it before.

5 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:03:04pm

re: #4 Alexzander

Q. How many hipsters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Its a pretty obscure number, you've probably never heard of it before.

googleplex?

6 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:03:16pm

Speaking of hipsters, I'm seeing this band tonight in Seattle:

Jesse Sykes and the Sweet Hereafter - The Air is Thin

Youtube Video


Good god do I love this band.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:03:59pm

Tom "T-bone" Wolk is the guy sitting between Runt and Darryl Hall. Was an amazing bass player. Was Hall & Oates bass player for years. Later played on Saturday Night Live with GE Smith (H&O's lead guitarist.)

Died last year.

I saw them in concert once, and he did a thirty measure or so bass solo. Blew me away.

Thought y'all would like to know.

8 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:04:44pm

Q. How many anarchists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Misleading question; anarchists cannot accomplish anything.

---

Q. How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Thats not funny.

---
I heard both of those jokes from anarcho-feminists.

9 bratwurst  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:05:42pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tom "T-bone" Wolk is the guy sitting between Runt and Darryl Hall. Was an amazing bass player. Was Hall & Oates bass player for years. Later played on Saturday Night Live with GE Smith (H&O's lead guitarist.)

Died last year.

I saw them in concert once, and he did a thirty measure or so bass solo. Blew me away.

Thought y'all would like to know.

Did you know that GE has been on Roger Waters' The Wall tour for the past year?

10 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:05:49pm

No one can change a lightbulb

Lightbulb has to want to change.

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:06:19pm

re: #10 ggt

No one can change a lightbulb

Lightbulb has to want to change.

Perhaps we should just learn to embrace the darkness.

12 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:06:43pm

re: #10 ggt

re: #11 EmmmieG

I like where this is going.

13 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:07:00pm

re: #6 Alexzander

Speaking of hipsters, I'm seeing this band tonight in Seattle:

Jesse Sykes and the Sweet Hereafter - The Air is Thin

[Video]
Good god do I love this band.

Speaking of bands, I finally have a reason to like Coldplay despite loathing their music;

The sisters who were saved by Coldplay: They'd split up, then a phone call rescued indie duo The Pierces

Youtube Video
14 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:07:22pm

re: #10 ggt

No one can change a lightbulb

Lightbulb has to want to change.

First the lightbulb must take inventory of its life.

//

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:07:24pm

re: #11 EmmmieG

Perhaps we should just learn to embrace the darkness.

Or talk to the lightbulb.

Let it know the benefits of changing.

16 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:08:33pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I could never bring myself to listen to Coldplay. Always struck me as the (intellectually/politically/spiritually) poor man's Radiohead.

17 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:09:01pm

re: #15 ggt

Or talk to the lightbulb.

Let it know the benefits of changing.

Yes. But like they say. Once a broken lightbulb always a broken lightbulb.

Sometimes a lightbulb can still be lit even without electricity. We call those dry lightbulbs.

//

18 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:09:45pm

re: #16 Alexzander

I could never bring myself to listen to Coldplay. Always struck me as the (intellectually/politically/spiritually) poor man's Radiohead.

Same, but their bassist saved a group I did like, so I won't actively bash them as often.

Youtube Video
19 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:09:47pm

re: #17 Gus 802

Yes. But like they say. Once a broken lightbulb always a broken lightbulb.

Sometimes a lightbulb can still be lit even without electricity. We call those dry lightbulbs.

//

sometimes a lightbulb has to reach rock bottom before change is possible.

20 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:10:18pm

re: #10 ggt

In Soviet Russia, Lightbulb change YOU!

21 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:11:11pm

re: #8 Alexzander

Q. How many anarchists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Misleading question; anarchists cannot accomplish anything.

---

Q. How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Thats not funny.

---
I heard both of those jokes from anarcho-feminists.

How many Marines does it take to change a light bulb?

Just one, after they figure out who has the least time in service.

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:11:11pm

Oh, now I see why Spencer and Breitbart and all the kooks are so stirred up today - links coming in from Andrew Sullivan, Jeffrey Goldberg, Norwegian newspaper sites, Reddit, Fark, etc.

23 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:11:13pm

I walked into a room and there were all of these lightbulbs seated in circular formation. Most of them had a styrofoam cup of coffee in their filament hands. One of the lightbulbs was crying.

//

24 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:11:28pm

re: #20 laZardo

In Soviet Russia, Lightbulb change YOU!

There are union lightbulbs --can only turn in the socket once every 4 hours. and gets paid breaks and benefits.

25 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:12:43pm

re: #22 Charles

Oh, now I see why Spencer and Breitbart and all the kooks are so stirred up today - links coming in from Andrew Sullivan, Jeffrey Goldberg, Norwegian newspaper sites, Reddit, Fark, etc.

"How many times do we have to say this has nothing to do with us despite the manifesto specifically naming us?"

26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:12:58pm

re: #23 Gus 802

I walked into a room and there were all of these lightbulbs seated in circular formation. Most of them had a styrofoam cup of coffee in their filament hands. One of the lightbulbs was crying.

//

They all told me they were glad I was there.

27 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:13:26pm

Oh, do you have normal light bulbs? Mine is a performance artist light bulb.

I flip the switch, and instead of lighting up, it clucks like a chicken.

28 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:14:30pm

re: #27 EmmmieG

Oh, do you have normal light bulbs? Mine is a performance artist light bulb.

I flip the switch, and instead of lighting up, it clucks like a chicken.

No normal lightbulbs, enviro-anarchists lightbulbs only.

29 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:15:19pm

Lightbulb walks into a bar...

OK, someone finish that please.

//

30 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:15:36pm

Possibly the most impressive dancing I've ever seen:

Youtube Video
31 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:16:40pm

re: #26 ggt

They all told me they were glad I was there.

One of them cracked and she had to be swept away. It was a very sad night.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:17:23pm

re: #30 Alexzander

Possibly the most impressive dancing I've ever seen:

[Video]

Yeah, if they keep the assholes from walking in front of the camera!

33 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:17:23pm

re: #29 Gus 802

Lightbulb walks into a bar...

OK, someone finish that please.

//

"Rectum? Damn near killed him!"

34 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:17:50pm

Then you have those manic bulbs. If you slap it on the side they get really bright for a couple of minutes. Then they go dim. Slap 'em again and they get really bright again. Poor manic bulbs.

35 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:18:55pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Rectum? Damn near killed him!"

Light bulb walks into a bar...

He's already wearing a lampshade...

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:19:47pm

How many Jewish mothers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. "Don't worry about me dahling. I'll sit here in the dark. You have your life; your friends; don't give me a second thought. I only carried you in my womb for..."

37 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:20:07pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tom "T-bone" Wolk is the guy sitting between Runt and Darryl Hall. Was an amazing bass player. Was Hall & Oates bass player for years. Later played on Saturday Night Live with GE Smith (H&O's lead guitarist.)

Died last year.

I saw them in concert once, and he did a thirty measure or so bass solo. Blew me away.

Thought y'all would like to know.

T-Bone. Sigh...

38 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:20:48pm

paranoid lighbulb?

Never turns itself on because it doesn't want anyone to know where to find it.

39 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:21:31pm

obsessive-compulsive lighbulb

constantly flickers on and off to the beat of ????

40 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:21:54pm

I think that light bulb is kinky. It's hooked up to a 3-way switch.

41 sod  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:22:09pm

Whenever someone drives by really fast, I say "Man, that guy is really Hall N' Oates".

Get it? Clever huh? I'm pretty sure I made it up.

I'm also pretty sure I made up the expression:

"I'm on it like Blue Bonnet."

That I can't retire off those two expressions alone is really disheartening.

42 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:22:19pm

re: #38 ggt

paranoid lighbulb?

Never turns itself on because it doesn't want anyone to know where to find it.

How many paranoid people does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Who wants to know?

43 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:22:47pm

re: #41 sod

Whenever someone drives by really fast, I say "Man, that guy is really Hall N' Oates".

Get it? Clever huh? I'm pretty sure I made it up.

I'm also pretty sure I made up the expression:

"I'm on it like Blue Bonnet."

That I can't retire off those two expressions alone is really disheartening.

You're a poet and didn't realize it.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:23:04pm

re: #39 ggt

obsessive-compulsive lighbulb

constantly flickers on and off to the beat of ???

You have to flick the switch exactly three times, up-down-up-down-up-down, or it won't go on.

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:24:46pm

re: #37 makeitstop

Every time I see Wolk; I think of the brilliant, yet unsung heroes of music. They guys who make the front guys look good. Most of the guys who musically blow the front-men away.

Jimmy Buffet was on 60 Minutes once, commented on how ridiculous it was that he was the arbiter of who was worthy to play with his band. He understood that musically; he's not even in their league.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:24:59pm

Noo,

paranoid lightbulb
won't turn on unless you flick the switch in the pre-arrange morse code password . . .

47 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:26:01pm

re: #46 ggt

Noo,

paranoid lightbulb
won't turn on unless you flick the switch in the pre-arrange morse code password . . .

Wrap base in tinfoil to prolong operational life.

Only comes in black.

48 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:27:28pm

re: #47 laZardo

Wrap base in tinfoil to prolong operational life.

Only comes in black.

carries its own extra filiments in case of needed repairs.

49 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:27:57pm

How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?

None. That's a hardware problem.

50 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:28:19pm

re: #32 ggt

Yeah, if they keep the assholes from walking in front of the camera!

Here is a professionally produced video featuring the same dancer and two others. It might actually be better.
I recommend everyone watch this:

Youtube Video
51 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:28:26pm

The virgin lightbulb. One that never got screwed.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:28:55pm

re: #51 Gus 802

The virgin lightbulb. One that never got screwed.

born-again virgin --refurbished lightbulb

53 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:31:39pm

re: #52 ggt

born-again virgin --refurbished lightbulb

Some lightbulb came in here chasing all the tail lights. I had to put the brake lights on him in order to shut him off.

54 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:32:48pm

re: #52 ggt

born-again virgin --refurbished lightbulb

The Sunshine Singers - Nobody Jesus but you

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55 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:33:44pm

Okay...who had the bright idea to start a lightbulb thread?

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:33:59pm

re: #54 Alexzander

The Sunshine Singers - Nobody Jesus but you

[Video]

Ok, big kid in the purple shirt --

Needs . a . swirlie . !

57 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:34:15pm

re: #55 darthstar

Okay...who had the bright idea to start a lightbulb thread?

Not the brightest bulb in the box, certainly.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:35:09pm

re: #57 thedopefishlives

Not the brightest bulb in the box, certainly.

WEll, some of us are brighter and flicker faster than others.

59 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:35:17pm

re: #56 ggt

Ok, big kid in the purple shirt --

Needs . a . swirlie . !

It is from Tod Solondz's film Palindromes, which features a terrifying scene that I'm always reminded of when I think about being "born again."

60 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:35:21pm

re: #54 Alexzander

future teabaggers of America.

61 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:35:27pm

re: #55 darthstar

Okay...who had the bright idea to start a lightbulb thread?

Suicide flashbulb kills 20 incandescents in Afghanistan.

62 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:36:07pm

re: #59 Alexzander

It is from Tod Solondz's film Palindromes, which features a terrifying scene that I'm always reminded of when I think about being "born again."

more line Palin Drones.

63 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:36:35pm

I gotta go accomplish something.

c u all lter

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:36:52pm

re: #55 darthstar

Okay...who had the bright idea to start a lightbulb thread?

Lightbulb threads should be a fixture around here.

65 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:37:07pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

Lightbulb threads should be a fixture around here.

That's a simply brilliant idea.

66 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:37:16pm

re: #63 ggt

lol k baibai

67 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:37:16pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Suicide flashbulb kills 20 incandescents in Afghanistan.

LED lights are simply dyslexic bigots from England who are friends of Pamela Geller.

68 Alexzander  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:39:36pm

Thisre: #65 thedopefishlives

That's a simply brilliant idea.

Incandescent even!

69 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:40:52pm

re: #67 darthstar

LED lights are simply dyslexic bigots from England who are friends of Pamela Geller.

Okay, that one took me about 5 minutes to get. Then I lol'd.

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:41:52pm

re: #67 darthstar

LED lights are simply dyslexic bigots from England who are friends of Pamela Geller.

They wouldn't be giving out a lot of light then, would they?

71 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:44:09pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

Lightbulb threads should be a fixture around here.

Watt?

72 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:44:41pm

This thread is Lucifer approved.

73 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:45:30pm

re: #71 makeitstop

Watt?

Socket to me.

74 danhenry1  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:47:03pm

Thanks Charles...what an Album. 'Wondering'.

75 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:54:41pm

So...either we're all eating dinner, or half the lizards are currently examining their lightbulbs and wondering why theirs only turn on and off.

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:55:33pm

re: #4 Alexzander

Q. How many hipsters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A. Its a pretty obscure number, you've probably never heard of it before.

Q. How many mice does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A. Only two, but how they got in there is anybody's guess.

77 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:57:58pm

Knock knock.

(Try 2)

78 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:58:34pm

re: #75 EmmmieG

So...either we're all eating dinner, or half the lizards are currently examining their lightbulbs and wondering why theirs only turn on and off.

Mine are fancy, they're all on dimmers.

Shiiiny.

79 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:58:46pm

re: #77 EmmmieG

Knock knock.

(Try 2)

Interrupting cow

80 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 6:58:53pm

MOOO!

81 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:00:43pm

Dinner is sauteed potatoes, parsnips, onions, bell peppers, and zucchini. Delicious.

82 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:00:53pm

re: #77 EmmmieG

Who's there?

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:01:38pm

re: #82 Slumbering Behemoth

Who's there?

Knock knock jokes are so over.

84 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:02:08pm

re: #81 prononymous

Dinner is sauteed potatoes, parsnips, onions, bell peppers, and zucchini. Delicious.

Now that we know what you're feeding your hogs, what are you gonna eat?
:P

85 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:02:41pm

Jobs report tomorrow.

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:02:52pm

re: #83 EmmmieG

On second, thought, I should work on that one.

How about:

Knock knock.

Whose there?

Cranky Hipster.

Cranky Hipster who?

Knock knock jokes are just over, okay?

Well, I completely train wrecked this joke. Will try harder next time.

87 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:02:53pm

re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth

Hogs, obviously. ;)

88 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:03:10pm

heehee

Pamela Geller has a new book coming out, about what she sees as the central challenge of our time, called "Stop the Judaization of Germany." Oops, sorry, it's called "Stop the Islamization of America." Same general theme, though. Charles Johnson has more on this frightening woman.

Jeffrey Goldberg

89 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:03:57pm

The times they aren't changin'.

90 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:04:47pm

re: #88 JasonA

heehee

I've been Tweeting this stuff all week. Including the Norway stories from NRK.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:06:22pm

Why is it that when a woman sleeps with a lot of guys she's called a slut, but when a man does it everyone automatically thinks he's gay.

92 prairiefire  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:13:01pm

re: #91 Slumbering Behemoth

I see what you did there.

93 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:13:08pm

re: #77 EmmmieG

Knock knock.

(Try 2)

I gave at the office.

94 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:13:57pm

ok, it's evening now and no more disasters can hit americans today except bad sitcoms

95 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:15:17pm

re: #94 engineer dog

ok, it's evening now and no more disasters can hit americans today except bad sitcoms

Did you knock on wood before you said that?

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:15:18pm

re: #93 darthstar

I gave at the office.

There was an elderly man who wanted to make his younger wife pregnant. So, he went to the doctor to have a sperm count done. The doctor told him to take a specimen cup home, fill it, and bring it back the next day.

The elderly man came back the next day and the specimen cup was empty and the lid was on it. Doctor: What was the problem? Elderly man: Well, you I tried with my right hand...nothing. So, I tried with my left hand...nothing. My wife tried with her right hand...nothing. Her left hand...nothing. Her mouth...nothing. Then my wife's friend tried. Right hand, left hand, mouth....still nothing.

Doctor: Wait a minute. You mean your wife's friend too?!

Elderly man: Yeah, and we still couldn't get the lid off of the specimen cup.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:20:12pm

Hi, all. Saw the doctor today. He started me on some new meds for my nodding off, but I'll need to wait and see if they work. Hopefully they do and I can back to work soon.

98 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:21:07pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Nodding off? Like narcolepsy? What's up?

99 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:21:14pm

Yes...Airport 1975 is just starting on the Retro channel...great movie.

100 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:21:57pm

dog's general theory of disasters:

it would be unreasonable to expect disasters to space themselves out at regular intervals

so they tend to clump

101 prairiefire  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:22:14pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Hope you get back to work soon, too!

102 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:22:57pm

re: #94 engineer dog

ok, it's evening now and no more disasters can hit americans today except bad sitcoms

Airport 75 on Retro

103 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:23:03pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

my hopes for your health!

104 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:25:30pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Hi, all. Saw the doctor today. He started me on some new meds for my nodding off, but I'll need to wait and see if they work. Hopefully they do and I can back to work soon.

Try going for long drives at night to see if the pills help.
/

Seriously...good luck with the new script.

105 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:25:50pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Hi, all. Saw the doctor today. He started me on some new meds for my nodding off, but I'll need to wait and see if they work. Hopefully they do and I can back to work soon.

You mean, you have a condition where you just fall asleep suddenly? That happens to Zedushka a lot. It totally creeps me out.

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:26:14pm

A beautiful woman walks into a doctors office and the doctor is bowled over by how stunningly awesome she is. All his professionalism goes right out the window...

He tells her to take her pants off, she does, and he starts rubbing her thighs.

"Do you know what I am doing?" asks the doctor?

"Yes, checking for abnormalities." she replies.

He tells her to take off her shirt and bra, she takes them off. The doctor begins rubbing her breasts and asks, "Do you know what I am doing now?", she replies, "Yes, checking for cancer."

Finally, he tells her to take off her panties, lays her on the table, gets on top of her and starts having sex with her. He says to her, "Do you know what I am doing now?"

She replies, "Yes, getting herpes - that's why I'm here!"

107 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:27:14pm

I just realized the leather seats in waiting areas at airports haven't changed at least since 1975...

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:27:17pm

re: #105 Alouette

You mean, you have a condition where you just fall asleep suddenly? That happens to Zedushka a lot. It totally creeps me out.

Oh, I had that condition. It was called "Having a small baby who wakes up a lot at night."

109 engineer cat  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:29:02pm

re: #95 EmmmieG

Did you knock on wood before you said that?

Update: Asia stocks tumble after Wall Street slide; Japan down 3.4%, HK down 4.4%

too late

110 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:29:57pm

re: #98 Slumbering Behemoth

Nodding off? Like narcolepsy? What's up?

Yeah, like that. It's been happening a lot this summer and its made it very hard to work. I've tried every non-medical thing I could think of and nothing works. So I'm going to see if this gives my the edge back I need to work. Because I can't sell if I'm always weary.

111 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:30:05pm

re: #109 engineer dog

Update: Asia stocks tumble after Wall Street slide; Japan down 3.4%, HK down 4.4%

too late

Youtube Video
112 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:30:11pm

re: #109 engineer dog

Update: Asia stocks tumble after Wall Street slide; Japan down 3.4%, HK down 4.4%

too late

Youtube Video
113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:32:35pm

PJM: Dow Down 500: Should Obama Resign?
by Roger L Simon
Short answer: No
Long Answer: Noooooo

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:32:51pm

re: #109 engineer dog

Update: Asia stocks tumble after Wall Street slide; Japan down 3.4%, HK down 4.4%

too late

Sometimes it just all falls apart at once. This sucks, bad.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:33:11pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Hell, it's hard to do anything if you're always weary. That sucks, bro. Hope this new thing works for you.

116 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:33:36pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes it just all falls apart at once. This sucks, bad.

We long ago reached the point of just not doing anything with our stock right now. Right now being defined as "A year starting in 201..."

117 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:33:45pm

re: #112 darthstar

[Video]

Youtube Video
118 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:34:01pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

PJM: Dow Down 500: Should Obama Resign?
by Roger L Simon
Short answer: No
Long Answer: Nooo

They'd say the same thing if the Dow went up 500 in one day.

119 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:34:10pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

PJM: Dow Down 500: Should Obama Resign?
by Roger L Simon
Short answer: No
Long Answer: Nooo

No indeed. I don't think Biden is the man to inspire confidence in the US to the world.

120 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:36:06pm

re: #117 Killgore Trout

[Video]

They're hosed even worse than we are.

121 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:37:53pm

re: #118 darthstar

They'd say the same thing if the Dow went up 500 in one day.

no, they'd just give credit to the Tea Party for "beating back the Statist Oligarhy".

122 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:38:30pm

Heh...just realized the sweet little girl with the bad kidneys and the acoustic guitar in Airport 1975 is Linda "Let Jesus Fuck You" Blair from the Exorcist...gotta love child actresses.

123 Mocking Jay  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:38:31pm

The only responsible thing would be for Obama and Biden to resign, allowing President Boehner to set us on the right Right path.

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:38:43pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

Ideologues never think past their immediate, political obsession. It was the same with the far-left when Bush was in office and they were calling for his impeachment. They didn't look beyond their obsession enough to see that it would make Cheney the POTUS.

125 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:39:08pm

re: #123 JasonA

The only responsible thing would be for Obama and Biden to resign, allowing President Boehner to set us on the right Right path.

That would bring the whole country to tears.

126 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:40:12pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

No indeed. I don't think Biden is the man to inspire confidence in the US to the world.

What does a VP inspiring confidence have to do with the markets around the world? Do you think they're going to look to Biden for "confidence"? Not likely.

127 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:40:41pm

re: #125 darthstar

That would bring the whole country to tears.

Of Godly Happiness!

/ :C

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:41:15pm

re: #123 JasonA

I have the weirdest boehner right now.

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:42:35pm

re: #125 darthstar

That would bring the whole country to tears.

Look, the man is orange. I would REALLY want to see the long form.

130 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:43:55pm

re: #126 Gus 802

What does a VP inspiring confidence have to do with the markets around the world? Do you think they're going to look to Biden for "confidence"? Not likely.

The line was "Should Obama resign?" I was saying 'No' and giving a reason.

131 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:45:12pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

The line was "Should Obama resign?" I was saying 'No' and giving a reason.

Ah. OK. That was a long diversion I missed.

132 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:45:57pm

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

I have the weirdest boehner right now.

I thought I was the only one that pronounced it that way.

133 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:48:38pm

I'd bet that maybe less that 100,000 Americans even heard of Pajamas Media. Maybe less. Just another wingnut astroturfing blog pretending to be a media outlet.

134 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:48:58pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Hi, all. Saw the doctor today. He started me on some new meds for my nodding off, but I'll need to wait and see if they work. Hopefully they do and I can back to work soon.

Do you have sleep apnea?

135 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:51:03pm

re: #132 laZardo

Still sounds like "BAY-NER" in my head.

"I have the weirdest 'BAY-NER' right now" is somehow more amusing to me.

136 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:51:34pm

re: #132 laZardo

I thought I was the only one that pronounced it that way.

Eric Cartman does too.

137 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:53:23pm

Why we may have to invade again....
French police enforcing burka ban

Liveleak Video

How's the weather in Normandy this time of year?
138 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:53:24pm

For those who haven't seen it yet: studio video of SuperHeavy, the band with Jagger, Dave Stewart, Joss Stone and Damien Marley. Sounds pretty good to me.

Youtube Video
139 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:53:57pm

Not Your Regular Ordinary Swedish Meal Time.

140 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:54:23pm

re: #134 Naso Tang

Do you have sleep apnea?

Maybe, but for now I'm going to use the new meds and make sure I get enough sleep. I'm also trying tactics to breathe better.

141 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:54:32pm

re: #138 makeitstop

For those who haven't seen it yet: studio video of SuperHeavy, the band with Jagger, Dave Stewart, Joss Stone and Damien Marley. Sounds pretty good to me.

[Video]

Will either be the baddest thing of all time, or will totally not work.

Let's find out.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:54:59pm

The fuck?

There you have it. Evolution is a lie. We are all descendants of Han Solo. Or Lando Calrissian. Or maybe Chewbacca. Fuck, I don't know.

143 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:56:22pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

...Dude, there's my car.

144 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:56:42pm

re: #141 EmmmieG

Will either be the baddest thing of all time, or will totally not work.

Let's find out.

I truly wasn't expecting much. But they cover a lot of ground, and it sounds like they've got a couple of real good songs.

145 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:56:52pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Why we may have to invade again...
French police enforcing burka ban

[Video]
How's the weather in Normandy this time of year?

Why?

146 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 7:57:56pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

The fuck?

There you have it. Evolution is a lie. We are all descendants of Han Solo. Or Lando Calrissian. Or maybe Chewbacca. Fuck, I don't know.

It's just an escape pod from Noah's Ark...the Unicorns took it in a storm.

147 jaunte  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:00:57pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

"If it does turn out to be a UFO it will be priceless, but if it is just a shape, it will be worthless."


Journalism!

148 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:02:02pm

re: #146 darthstar

It's just an escape pod from Noah's Ark...the Unicorns took it in a storm.

Yeah. They escaped to Never-Never Land, but return to support Obama in 2008.

/The Unicorns for Obama joke was a long-running LGF joke.

149 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:02:19pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

Why?

Could you imagine that same scene with a Jewish star instead of a burka? I'm not a fan of the full burka but you can't round up women in the streets for religious attire.

150 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:02:53pm

re: #142 Slumbering Behemoth

The fuck?

There you have it. Evolution is a lie. We are all descendants of Han Solo. Or Lando Calrissian. Or maybe Chewbacca. Fuck, I don't know.

If you took a poll you would find out that the majority of humans believe more in unprovable bullshit than they do in provable science. This is corollary, in large part, with economic status and education. Since the majority are less educated and poor they have a tendency towards superstitions and the supernatural. UFO belief tends to be a phenomenon found in more technologically advanced countries. It also tends to attract people with mental health issues.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:03:23pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

I am strongly opposed to concealing one's face in public (there's a reason why liquor stores put up "No Masks Allowed" signs during Halloween), but there has to be a better way of dealing with it than that. Unless I am missing some context that is not immediately obvious, why not just a ticket?

152 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:04:45pm

I'm thinking the NBA better straighten their shit out, or some players may decide not to come back.

Report: Wade offered $2 million per month by Chinese Team

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:04:48pm

re: #147 jaunte

Journalism!

The Daily Mail. Giving Star Wars fans the weirdest bay-ners since, well, that article, I guess.

154 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:05:51pm

And now, live from the corner of Beautiful and Talented, it's Joss Stone.

(Look, Mick Jagger is only on one of those streets.)

155 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:07:49pm

re: #154 EmmmieG

And now, live from the corner of Beautiful and Talented, it's Joss Stone.

(Look, Mick Jagger is only on one of those streets.)

Ain't she great? Besides having a heavenly voice, she gives the world something to look at besides Jagger and Stewart's mugs.

This band could be like the Black Eyed Peas, only good.

156 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:08:12pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Could you imagine that same scene with a Jewish star instead of a burka? I'm not a fan of the full burka but you can't round up women in the streets for religious attire.

I don't think they round anyone up in the streets. It is a matter of identifying a person when a person needs to be identified.

"show me some ID for this check. Yup, you look just like the potato sack in the photo."

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:10:44pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Could you imagine that same scene with a Jewish star instead of a burka? I'm not a fan of the full burka but you can't round up women in the streets for religious attire.

I haven't really been following this issue. Did the French make the entire burka illegal, or just the part that conceals the face?

158 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:11:37pm

re: #156 Naso Tang

I don't think they round anyone up in the streets. It is a matter of identifying a person when a person needs to be identified.

"show me some ID for this check. Yup, you look just like the potato sack in the photo."

Not only that..... I saw a lady in a full burka here where I live, pushing a stroller through a busy intersection. I cringed...... I think it's a safety issue too.

159 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:12:10pm

re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth

I haven't really been following this issue. Did the French make the entire burka illegal, or just the part that conceals the face?

Only face coverings were made illegal.

160 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:12:39pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Could you imagine that same scene with a Jewish star instead of a burka? I'm not a fan of the full burka but you can't round up women in the streets for religious attire.

It's almost the same as rounding up women for not wearing a burka. As far as the robbery scenario -- i.e. what if they go into a store to rob them analogy -- WTF does that have to do with anything. Anyone that wants to hold up a store isn't going to think about mask laws. They'll just walk into the store, pull out their gun, and hold up the place.

161 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:13:22pm

re: #150 Gus 802

If you took a poll you would find out that the majority of humans believe more in unprovable bullshit than they do in provable science. This is corollary, in large part, with economic status and education. Since the majority are less educated and poor they have a tendency towards superstitions and the supernatural. UFO belief tends to be a phenomenon found in more technologically advanced countries. It also tends to attract people with mental health issues.

The Ed show just did a take down of "Fox and Friends" morons who were being critical of indoctrinating kids about global warming using a Sponge Bob book.

Also regarding the above, such superstitions also go hand in hand with many religious beliefs; after all it is only a small step from one to the other.

162 McSpiff  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:14:20pm

I really wish the economy hadn't crapped itself like the week before I move to a new city... ugh...

163 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:14:26pm

re: #150 Gus 802

If you took a poll you would find out that the majority of humans believe more in unprovable bullshit than they do in provable science.

I don't need a poll to convince me of that. :sigh:

164 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:16:12pm

re: #150 Gus 802

I was thinking the other day about the whole "See a penny, pick it up, and all the day you'll have good luck" thing.

If we go back to the day when a penny was worth bending over for, the kind of people who saw details, and took action on an opportunity were going to be "lucky."

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:16:36pm

re: #162 McSpiff

I really wish the economy hadn't crapped itself like the week before I move to a new city... ugh...

Ramen noodles are your friend.

166 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:16:44pm

Anyway. It's France. If this is what they want to do that's their business.

167 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:18:38pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Anyway. It's France. If this is what they want to do that's their business.

Can one wear a mask when going to, say, the DMV in the US?

168 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:19:03pm

re: #164 EmmmieG

I was thinking the other day about the whole "See a penny, pick it up, and all the day you'll have good luck" thing.

If we go back to the day when a penny was worth bending over for, the kind of people who saw details, and took action on an opportunity were going to be "lucky."

Which is harmless. UFO superstitions have a tendency to consumer many people. That includes crazed government conspiracies of "cover ups" and calls from the crazies for the government to investigate stupid UFO sightings. This as opposed to a simple lucky penny. :)

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:19:41pm

re: #167 Naso Tang

Can one wear a mask when going to, say, the DMV in the US?

Not in Florida. A woman sued for that and lost. And IIRC, the brand of Islam she followed didn't allow women to drive.

170 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:19:46pm

re: #167 Naso Tang

Can one wear a mask when going to, say, the DMV in the US?

Probably not. Maybe if they had a medical reason.

171 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:20:08pm

re: #168 Gus 802

Which is harmless. UFO superstitions have a tendency to consumer many people. That includes crazed government conspiracies of "cover ups" and calls from the crazies for the government to investigate stupid UFO sightings. This as opposed to a simple lucky penny. :)

I WAS DRUNK AND LEFT THE HANDBRAKE ON.

WHY DID THOSE WEIRDOS IN SUITS HAVE TO SAY I WAS THE ADVANCE GUARD OF SOME INVASION FORCE.

/

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:20:13pm

re: #160 Gus 802

Indeed true, much like gun laws do not matter to those intent on committing crimes with guns.

Still, am I being irrational for opposing concealed faces in public?

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:20:37pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Probably not. Maybe if they had a medical reason.

Fuckinuglyitis?
/

174 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:21:01pm

re: #164 EmmmieG

I was thinking the other day about the whole "See a penny, pick it up, and all the day you'll have good luck" thing.

If we go back to the day when a penny was worth bending over for, the kind of people who saw details, and took action on an opportunity were going to be "lucky."

The principle still works. I know people who have a habit of calling any success by someone else "luck".

175 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:21:43pm

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fuckinuglyitis?
/

I was thinking more like a prosthetic device.

176 justaminute  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:22:56pm

I am about ready to scream. All this heat in Oklahoma is crashing my air conditioning at least twice a day in the restaurant. Spent the whole day chasing fuses for the air conditioner and now the city and the state are having a shortage.

Then we get home, spent about 1 hour in a nice air conditioning house and the electricity has gone off. Just came on.

Today we my husband was on the roof and one of gas bag customer that likes to state loudly and frequently on climate change denial spout off "Maybe there is something to that global warming stuff!" I had to restrain my self from jumping over the counter and knocking him on top of his pointy head.

177 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:23:36pm

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not in Florida. A woman sued for that and lost. And IIRC, the brand of Islam she followed didn't allow women to drive.

I think I remember. Came out it was a setup.

But, I wouldn't be happy being in a bank when someone walks in that you can't see a face or even tell if it's a man or woman.

178 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:24:36pm

re: #176 justaminute

I am about ready to scream. All this heat in Oklahoma is crashing my air conditioning at least twice a day in the restaurant. Spent the whole day chasing fuses for the air conditioner and now the city and the state are having a shortage.

Then we get home, spent about 1 hour in a nice air conditioning house and the electricity has gone off. Just came on.

Today we my husband was on the roof and one of gas bag customer that likes to state loudly and frequently on climate change denial spout off "Maybe there is something to that global warming stuff!" I had to restrain my self from jumping over the counter and knocking him on top of his pointy head.

"NO SHIT SHERLOCK" would have worked quite well.

179 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:26:16pm

re: #178 laZardo

"NO SHIT SHERLOCK" would have worked quite well.

It was a customer.

180 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:26:30pm

re: #176 justaminute

I am about ready to scream. All this heat in Oklahoma is crashing my air conditioning at least twice a day in the restaurant. Spent the whole day chasing fuses for the air conditioner and now the city and the state are having a shortage.

Then we get home, spent about 1 hour in a nice air conditioning house and the electricity has gone off. Just came on.

Today we my husband was on the roof and one of gas bag customer that likes to state loudly and frequently on climate change denial spout off "Maybe there is something to that global warming stuff!" I had to restrain my self from jumping over the counter and knocking him on top of his pointy head.

Air conditioner? Air conditioner?....... my wife uses palm fronds on me.

181 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:26:54pm

Kind of sad though. That we live in a world were we demand that people have their faces exposed for law enforcement reasoning. Or that women are literally forced to wear similar masking for religious reason. I think we lose in both cases.

182 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:27:31pm

[Link: www.humless.com...]

183 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:27:43pm

re: #180 Mr Pancakes

Air conditioner? Air conditioner?... my wife uses palm fronds on me.

How do you treat the welts?

184 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:27:52pm

re: #180 Mr Pancakes

Air conditioner? Air conditioner?... my wife uses palm fronds on me.

Do they leave many bruises?

185 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:28:06pm

re: #183 Naso Tang

How do you treat the welts?

Aloe vera.

186 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:28:35pm

Nine seconds.

187 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:28:39pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Probably not. Maybe if they had a medical reason.

Insensitive joke to follow... which I'll paraphrase.

"Why do they use the phrase 'burnt beyond recognition'? 'Bob Smith was trapped in his house when it caught fire, and is now burnt beyond recognition'. The fuck? Take Bob to a house party full of strangers and he'll be the most recognizable fucker there".

188 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:28:44pm

re: #184 EmmmieG

Do they leave many bruises?

beat ya

189 justaminute  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:30:51pm

re: #178 laZardo

"NO SHIT SHERLOCK" would have worked quite well.

I was to worn out to be witty today. The companies had better get on the stick and start getting those fuses in. What's the point to have electricity but your AC in down. At least we know what to do and don't have to wait for an electrician or AC guy. Their so backed up that would be about 2 days for them to make it in. We would have to close. Right at the time we are having record sales. It sucks.

190 justaminute  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:34:16pm

re: #180 Mr Pancakes

Air conditioner? Air conditioner?... my wife uses palm fronds on me.

Ha Ha. I'll tell the cooks that are in the cook line. All they do is snarl at us. I try not to linger to long in their area. Right now they are resorting to bowls of ice in front of a fan. That does work pretty well though.

191 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:35:48pm

re: #190 justaminute

Ha Ha. I'll tell the cooks that are in the cook line. All they do is snarl at us. I try not to linger to long in their area. Right now they are resorting to bowls of ice in front of a fan. That does work pretty well though.

That's miserable I'm sure...... all I have at home is a fan or two....... but then it hasn't got too hot here thank god.

192 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:35:51pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Kind of sad though. That we live in a world were we demand that people have their faces exposed for law enforcement reasoning. Or that women are literally forced to wear similar masking for religious reason. I think we lose in both cases.

To my mind, the former is a "necessary evil" while the latter is a completely "unnecessary evil".

It is sad.

193 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:39:13pm

re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth

To my mind, the former is a "necessary evil" while the latter is a completely "unnecessary evil".

It is sad.

If I wanted to walk around the street with a moose head covering my head that really should be my right. As long as I'm not hurting anyone. If that practice leads to putting my own life in danger I should be free to take that risk if so desired. I don't have that right if I walk into a private area like a store. If the storekeeper says "no moose head masks" then it his right since I am in his private space. Going back though. Where do we draw the line? What about wearing a fake beard, make-up, transvestites, etc? Those practices themselves are a form of masking and can rather easily infringe on so called law enforcement concerns. So even if they do ban burkas it won't prevent people from altering their appearances in order to easily engage in criminal activity. The only reason left would be a ban for cultural or integration reasons.

194 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:40:28pm

re: #193 Gus 802

If I wanted to walk around the street with a moose head covering my head that really should be my right.

If you bring a friend in a squirrel suit, it's your fault if the KGB assassinate you.

195 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:40:32pm

re: #193 Gus 802

If I wanted to walk around the street with a moose head covering my head that really should be my right. As long as I'm not hurting anyone. If that practice leads to putting my own life in danger I should be free to take that risk if so desired. I don't have that right if I walk into a private area like a store. If the storekeeper says "no moose head masks" then it his right since I am in his private space. Going back though. Where do we draw the line? What about wearing a fake beard, make-up, transvestites, etc? Those practices themselves are a form of masking and can rather easily infringe on so called law enforcement concerns. So even if they do ban burkas it won't prevent people from altering their appearances in order to easily engage in criminal activity. The only reason left would be a ban for cultural or integration reasons.

You are, however, running the risk that Boris and Natasha will try to drop a safe on you.

196 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:40:47pm

What is it tonight? Now it's four seconds.

197 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:40:53pm

Buddy challenged me to a game this weekend, World Eaters versus Space Wolves, 2k points, should be nasty

198 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:42:45pm

re: #193 Gus 802

If I wanted to walk around the street with a moose head covering my head that really should be my right. As long as I'm not hurting anyone. If that practice leads to putting my own life in danger I should be free to take that risk if so desired. I don't have that right if I walk into a private area like a store. If the storekeeper says "no moose head masks" then it his right since I am in his private space. Going back though. Where do we draw the line? What about wearing a fake beard, make-up, transvestites, etc? Those practices themselves are a form of masking and can rather easily infringe on so called law enforcement concerns. So even if they do ban burkas it won't prevent people from altering their appearances in order to easily engage in criminal activity. The only reason left would be a ban for cultural or integration reasons.

If you are wearing a moose head in an intersection, I'll try to run over you. "Hey that moose guy wasn't watching where he was going."

199 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:46:29pm

re: #198 Mr Pancakes

If you are wearing a moose head in an intersection, I'll try to run over you. "Hey that moose guy wasn't watching where he was going."

The Moose - Woody Allen

I shot a moose, once. I was hunting up-state New York, and I shot a moose, and I strap him on to the fender of my car, and I'm driving home along the west side highway, but what I didn't realize was, that the bullet did not penetrate the moose. It just creased the scalp, knocking him unconscious. And I'm driving through the Holland tunnel - the moose woke up. So I'm driving with a live moose on my fender. The moose is signaling for a turn, y'know. There's a law in New York state against driving with a conscious moose on your fender, tuesday, thursday and saturday. And I'm very panicky, and then it hits me: some friends of mine is having a costume party. I'll go, I'll take the moose, I'll ditch him at the party. It wouldn't be my responsibillity.

So I drive up to the party and I knock on the door. The moose is next to me. My host comes to the door. I say "Hello. You know the Solomons". We enter. The moose mingles. Did very well. Scored. Two guys were trying to sell him insurance for an hour and a half. Twelve o'clock comes - they give out prices for the best costume of the night. First price goes to the Burcowiches, a maried couple dressed as a moose. The moose comes in second. The moose is furious. He and the Burcowiches lock antlers in the living room. They knock each other unconscious. Now, I figured, is my chance. I grab the moose, strap him onto my fender, and shoot back to the roads, but - I got the Burcowiches. So I'm driving along with two jewish people on my fender, and there's a law in New York State ... tuesdays, thursdays and especially saturday.

The following morning the Burcowiches wake up in the woods, in a moose suit. Mr. Burcowich is shot, stuffed and mounted - at the New York Athletic Club, and the joke is on them, because it's restricted.

200 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:48:09pm

re: #199 Gus 802

The Moose - Woody Allen

Weird. "Price" should be "prize" here.

201 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:27pm

re: #193 Gus 802

Valid points, though I'm still not comfortable with face coverings.

But just to be clear, minus any context (I do not speak French, so I have no idea what the back and forth was about) I do not approve of what was going on in that video.

202 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:33pm

re: #199 Gus 802

The Moose - Woody Allen

I love Woody's humor......

Did'Jew eat? No did'Jew?

Annie Hall

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:49:58pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Kind of sad though. That we live in a world were we demand that people have their faces exposed for law enforcement reasoning. Or that women are literally forced to wear similar masking for religious reason. I think we lose in both cases.

That former is just how things need to be. We don't lose because of anti-mask laws, we lose because of the assholes who force us to adopt them,

204 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:51:44pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

That former is just how things need to be. We don't lose because of anti-mask laws, we lose because of the assholes who force us to adopt them,

If I worked at the DMV and Hannibal Lector showed up for a license photo.... I'd demand a mask.

205 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:52:00pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

That former is just how things need to be. We don't lose because of anti-mask laws, we lose because of the assholes who force us to adopt them,

The USA will never have anything like France has right now. At least not in my lifetime.

206 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:53:06pm

re: #205 Gus 802

The USA will never have anything like France has right now. At least not in my lifetime.

No, likely not.

207 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:53:24pm

re: #205 Gus 802

The USA will never have anything like France has right now. At least not in my lifetime.

The ratios are way different here than France.

208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:54:05pm

I accomplished something.

puppy is happily occupied with a rawhide.

What are you doing?

209 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:56:49pm

re: #208 ggt

I accomplished something.

puppy is happily occupied with a rawhide.

What are you doing?

Hide your shoes.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:57:30pm

re: #172 Slumbering Behemoth

Indeed true, much like gun laws do not matter to those intent on committing crimes with guns.

Still, am I being irrational for opposing concealed faces in public?

No. In our culture, covering one's face is a sign of dishonesty. Just the way it is.

211 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 8:59:22pm

re: #210 ggt

No. In our culture, covering one's face is a sign of dishonesty. Just the way it is.

re: #210 ggt

No. In our culture, covering one's face is a sign of dishonesty. Just the way it is.

Unless you're Caesar Rodney or Hannibal Lector, in which case it means something different. Two very different somethings, but still, not dishonesty.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:02:02pm

Another sad fact: what we all once considered to be sustenance at one point in our lives, in most cultures we are later trained to deem "filthy to behold" due to possible sexual connotations. Eeek!

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:03:04pm

re: #209 Mr Pancakes

Hide your shoes.

Well, you know, I like shoe shopping . . . .

Have you seen these?

214 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:05:55pm

re: #213 ggt

Well, you know, I like shoe shopping . . .

Have you seen these?

Yea....... there's a $300 rawhide toy if I ever saw one. Man..... thank god for Payless.

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:06:11pm

I'm still pissed it took so long to get this guy off the streets. He had a scam going that got him sex, money and power for way, way to long. Ruining families in the process.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:06:28pm

re: #214 Mr Pancakes

Yea... there's a $300 rawhide toy if I ever saw one. Man... thank god for Payless.

Payless don't carry narrow shoes, bro.

217 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:06:34pm

re: #212 Slumbering Behemoth

Another sad fact: what we all once considered to be sustenance at one point in our lives, in most cultures we are later trained to deem "filthy to behold" due to possible sexual connotations. Eeek!

Dirty pillows.

218 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:07:27pm

re: #216 ggt

Payless don't carry narrow shoes, bro.

I dunno.... I go in, find shoes, go out.

219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:09:44pm

What is it with youtube? Sheesh.

I'm sitting here listening to an Eva Cassidy song, and youtube suggests next, for me, a JLo song.

Right. Because they're so alike.

220 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:10:20pm

re: #219 EmmmieG

What is it with youtube? Sheesh.

I'm sitting here listening to an Eva Cassidy song, and youtube suggests next, for me, a JLo song.

Right. Because they're so alike.

Maybe they both have nice butts.

221 makeitstop  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:10:39pm

re: #218 Mr Pancakes

I dunno... I go in, find shoes, go out.

Can't explain that.
/

222 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:11:13pm

re: #221 makeitstop

Can't explain that.
/

I know..... it's pretty complicated.

223 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:12:40pm

re: #220 Mr Pancakes

Maybe they both have nice butts.

Not sure. Eva Cassidy, during her lifetime, remained fully dressed and seated while she sang.

I'm pretty sure that JLo has never done a set in a black turtleneck and army jacket.

224 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:13:04pm

re: #213 ggt

I'm happy to be born a man. I wouldn't fare well as a woman.

High heels? Fuck that.

Make-up? Too lazy.

Shave my legs and pits? I already bitch about shaving my face.

Child birth? FUCK YOU!!!

225 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:13:43pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

Not sure. Eva Cassidy, during her lifetime, remained fully dressed and seated while she sang.

I'm pretty sure that JLo has never done a set in a black turtleneck and army jacket.

Man ..... that's a long time to sit fully dressed.

226 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:13:57pm

OT, but I was reading a Vanity Fair article on Berlesconi and his rise, along with his scandals.

I get the distinct feeling now that he is a Chavez-style dictator. That is, ruling a nominally democratic state, but the mechanisms for democracy are staggeringly damaged.

Might also explain his reticence in supporting the revolutions to the south. Italy is massively corrupt, whose to say that it might jump across the Mediterranean?

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:14:38pm

Actually, the I wouldn't buy the pumps, I have no where to wear them, but I do like them.

This is more what I'd wear, or this.

Easy, but not cheap.

I have a hard time finding shoes I like that fit. I tend to wear them until they fall apart. I just like having a lot of them, so I only get a couple pair a year. I find that if I buy good ones that actually fit, they last for a very long time and can have the soles replaced if need be.

228 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:14:52pm

re: #218 Mr Pancakes

I dunno... I go in, find shoes, go out.

Women shop, Men hunt.

229 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:15:41pm

re: #223 EmmmieG

Not sure. Eva Cassidy, during her lifetime, remained fully dressed and seated while she sang.

I'm pretty sure that JLo has never done a set in a black turtleneck and army jacket.

I jest of course..... I don't know who Eve Cassidy is... David's sister?

230 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:16:17pm

re: #228 ggt

Women shop, Men hunt.

I lucked out..... my wife hates to shop.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:16:26pm

re: #227 ggt

You are such a chick.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:16:33pm

Eve Cassidy

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:16:45pm

re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth

You are such a chick.

I am. :)

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:18:10pm

Somewhere Over The Rainbow.

beautifyl, but I like Bruddah Iz's version better.

235 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:19:41pm

re: #227 ggt

Actually, the I wouldn't buy the pumps, I have no where to wear them, but I do like them.

This is more what I'd wear, or this.

Easy, but not cheap.

I have a hard time finding shoes I like that fit. I tend to wear them until they fall apart. I just like having a lot of them, so I only get a couple pair a year. I find that if I buy good ones that actually fit, they last for a very long time and can have the soles replaced if need be.

$600 for moccasins? Really? That's insane.

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:19:58pm

re: #229 Mr Pancakes

I jest of course... I don't know who Eve Cassidy is... David's sister?

A very talented but now deceased singer.

237 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:20:45pm

re: #234 ggt

Somewhere Over The Rainbow.

beautifyl, but I like Bruddah Iz's version better.

Hah! I went from Eva Cassidy's Fields of Gold to Iz's Rainbow. Get outta ma head.

238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:21:10pm

re: #235 Mr Pancakes

$600 for moccasins? Really? That's insane.

Hey, I'm worth it.

I don't do it every year, but if I actually find a pair I like AND THEY FIT. I get them.

You have no idea how hard it is to find shoes that actually fit. If it doesn't fit, it's a waste of money even if it's $20 because I won't wear them.

239 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:23:26pm

re: #238 ggt

WOOT. That is awesome. Shoes & clothes that fit, are all that much more important, if they are hard to find.

240 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:24:44pm

re: #224 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm happy to be born a man. I wouldn't fare well as a woman.

High heels? Fuck that.

Make-up? Too lazy.

Shave my legs and pits? I already bitch about shaving my face.

Child birth? FUCK YOU!!!

LOL. Let's talk about waxing your bibkini line!

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:25:37pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe

WOOT. That is awesome. Shoes & clothes that fit, are all that much more important, if they are hard to find.

I don't fish, golf or shoot. I don't care what kind of car I drive as long as it works.

It's all relative.

242 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:25:39pm

re: #238 ggt

Hey, I'm worth it.

I don't do it every year, but if I actually find a pair I like AND THEY FIT. I get them.

You have no idea how hard it is to find shoes that actually fit. If it doesn't fit, it's a waste of money even if it's $20 because I won't wear them.

If my wife ever brought home $600 moccasins, we'd have to have a family meeting.

243 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:25:50pm

re: #240 Floral Giraffe

LOL. Let's talk about waxing your bibkini line!

waxing your eyebrows???

244 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:26:13pm

These look like nice shoes.

:]

245 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:26:15pm

re: #242 Mr Pancakes

And, you WOULD be happy with her purchase.
You understand that, right?

246 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:26:42pm

re: #244 Gus 802

I want to see YOU walk in those.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:26:52pm

re: #230 Mr Pancakes

I lucked out... my wife hates to shop.

If I could buy my pants at the grocery store, I would. I have fuck all for fashion sense.

Weirdness... I once had a girlfriend who worked in fashion (regional sales). She never tried to drag me along with her to go clothes shopping, and never tried to make me her paper doll.

I had another girlfriend that always tried to do both, yet had the fashion sense of a kid who just discovered Garanimals.

People are an odd bunch.

248 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:27:02pm

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

And, you WOULD be happy with her purchase.
You understand that, right?

Ah..... no..... not at all actually.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:27:04pm

IT was explained to me thus:

You can have a period once a month

or

You can shave everyday.

250 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:27:09pm

re: #246 Floral Giraffe

I want to see YOU walk in those.

Who said anything about walking?

//

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:27:44pm

re: #246 Floral Giraffe

I want to see YOU walk in those.

He would happilly buy the shoes if it meant he'd get to buy her dinner.

252 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:28:16pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

If I could buy my pants at the grocery store, I would. I have fuck all for fashion sense.

Weirdness... I once had a girlfriend who worked in fashion (regional sales). She never tried to drag me along with her to go clothes shopping, and never tried to make me her paper doll.

I had another girlfriend that always tried to do both, yet had the fashion sense of a kid who just discovered Garanimals.

People are an odd bunch.

Garanimals? Oh my. That's pretty funny.

253 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:28:20pm

re: #250 Gus 802

Who said anything about walking?

//

LOL. Yes, well

Youtube Video
254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:29:00pm

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

And, you WOULD be happy with her purchase.
You understand that, right?

Because it made her happy. And if she is happy, you are happy.

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:29:37pm

re: #238 ggt

You have no idea how hard it is to find shoes that actually fit.

10 1/2, 4E. I'm pretty much stuck with NB for tennis shoes and RW for boots.

256 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:29:53pm

re: #254 ggt

Because it made her happy. And if she is happy, you are happy.

$600?

Um, for that you can buy a lot of...that's a month's grocery bill for many families. (Not mine, I have four sons, but for a lot of people.)

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:31:17pm

re: #240 Floral Giraffe

LOL. Let's talk about waxing your bibkini line!

I ain't gonna lie. For the right woman, I'd go Brazilian.

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:31:59pm

re: #256 EmmmieG

$600?

Um, for that you can buy a lot of...that's a month's grocery bill for many families. (Not mine, I have four sons, but for a lot of people.)

$600 for shoes is also nice commission for the shoe sales person at Nordstrom.

259 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:32:23pm

re: #254 ggt

Because it made her happy. And if she is happy, you are happy.

Yes... right...... no comment.

260 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:33:54pm

re: #240 Floral Giraffe

LOL. Let's talk about waxing your bibkini line!

re: #243 ggt

waxing your eyebrows???

Ha! Was that intentional?

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:34:13pm

re: #254 ggt

Because it made her happy. And if she is happy, you are happy.

That wouldn't work on my husband. Luckily, I have absolutely no interest in expensive shoes. They hurt.

262 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:34:57pm

re: #254 ggt

Because it made her happy. And if she is happy, you are happy.

I've lived a long life....... both have to work at making each other happy. Buying $600 moccasins would be a one sided selfish pleasure, with no good outcome.

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:36:10pm

re: #262 Mr Pancakes

I've lived a long life... both have to work at making each other happy. Buying $600 moccasins would be a one sided selfish pleasure, with no good outcome.

As I said, it's all relative.

What you call selfish pleasure, for me is a pair of shoes I'll have for 10 years that fit.

264 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:36:34pm

re: #259 Mr Pancakes

Yes... right... no comment.

I think this comment was misinterpreted..... sex deprivation works both ways.

265 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:37:01pm

I think I might have spent $120 for a pair of really good field boots once, but other than that, I don't think I've ever spent more than $40 on a pair of shoes ever.

266 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38:00pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

I ain't gonna lie. For the right woman, I'd go Brazilian.

I don't know, crotch pimples are pretty unattractive...

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38:09pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I might have spent $120 for a pair of really good field boots once, but other than that, I don't think I've ever spent more than $40 on a pair of shoes ever.

I wish, there are many, many cute shoes out there. I inherited hard to fit feet. Better than my parents tho. Mom is a 4A and Dad was an A.

Even at the old lady and specialty work shoe stores, it is hard to find narrows --everyone seems to have wide feet.

268 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:38:13pm

re: #262 Mr Pancakes

I've lived a long life... both have to work at making each other happy. Buying $600 moccasins would be a one sided selfish pleasure, with no good outcome.

We spent extra on a motherboard for one of our computers because it was my husband's motherboard.

He wanted it, and it made me proud to have his motherboard in the computer. Also, it was the one the kids and I use, and made it lightning fast.

269 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:39:39pm

re: #264 Mr Pancakes

Don't go getting super cereal on us now.

I know it's only a cousin to your namesake, but...

270 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:40:03pm

re: #268 EmmmieG

We spent extra on a motherboard for one of our computers because it was my husband's motherboard.

He wanted it, and it made me proud to have his motherboard in the computer. Also, it was the one the kids and I use, and made it lightning fast.

Ok..... but a computer isn't shoes.

271 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:40:12pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I might have spent $120 for a pair of really good field boots once, but other than that, I don't think I've ever spent more than $40 on a pair of shoes ever.

I bought a pair of Cole Hahns once. Traded them back in for two pairs. Macy's shoe department. One of them broke and they replaced them for free no questions asked. Kind of price for the time (1987). Then I was into buying Timberland Oxfords which were at 100 bucks a pop. Had my clothes and shoe phase which last until I was about 32. Then I moved to Denver and I became a stick in the mud.

272 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:03pm

re: #270 Mr Pancakes

Ok... but a computer isn't shoes.

Yeah, it's not for one person's use only.

Unless you are a teenager, in which case you do believe it's for your use only.

273 austin_blue  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:04pm

re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I might have spent $120 for a pair of really good field boots once, but other than that, I don't think I've ever spent more than $40 on a pair of shoes ever.

Steel toes run about $120, but decent dress shoes, like Bass's run around $80. The advantage is that they last for 6 years. Value.

274 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:20pm

re: #266 austin_blue

Maybe, but they taste better than lawn.

A man and a woman started to have sex in the middle of a dark forest. After about 15 minutes of it, the man finally gets up and says, "Damn, I wish I had a flashlight!". The woman says, "Me too, you've been eating grass for the past ten minutes!"

275 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:41:33pm

re: #270 Mr Pancakes

Ok... but a computer isn't shoes.

Again, it is relative.

Value on depreciating assets (boats, cars, clothes) is personal.

276 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:42:17pm

I can't type very well.

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:44:21pm

re: #271 Gus 802

I've been a stick in the mud from day one. First because I grew up poor, later because I just didn't give a fuck.

If my feet weren't so uncommonly wide, I'd still be wearing ten dollar shoes.

278 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:45:43pm

re: #275 ggt

Again, it is relative.

Value on depreciating assets (boats, cars, clothes) is personal.

Relative.... I think I understand..... instead of buying that Dell Computer... I think I'll opt for that Cray Supercomputer I've been eyeballing.

279 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:45:46pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

I've been a stick in the mud from day one. First because I grew up poor, later because I just didn't give a fuck.

If my feet weren't so uncommonly wide, I'd still be wearing ten dollar shoes.

These are nice...

[Link: www.zappos.com...]

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:53:31pm

re: #278 Mr Pancakes

Relative... I think I understand... instead of buying that Dell Computer... I think I'll opt for that Cray Supercomputer I've been eyeballing.

And that would be YOUR CHOICE.

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:54:31pm

re: #279 Gus 802

They look okay, but they only go up to 2E there. I'm a 4E.

And it's funny. Whenever I go to buy a new pair, which is not very often, maybe once every four years, they always look at me like I'm nuts.

Me: "Give me whatever New Balance you have in stock that is the cheapest 10 1/2 4E"

Them, noticing that I'm not very tall nor very big: "Really? 4E? Really?"

They bust out the little foot measuring thing...

Them: "Damn, dude. Are you sure you're not a duck?"

282 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:54:42pm

re: #280 ggt

And that would be YOUR OUR CHOICE.

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:55:25pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

They look okay, but they only go up to 2E there. I'm a 4E.

And it's funny. Whenever I go to buy a new pair, which is not very often, maybe once every four years, they always look at me like I'm nuts.

Me: "Give me whatever New Balance you have in stock that is the cheapest 10 1/2 4E"

Them, noticing that I'm not very tall nor very big: "Really? 4E? Really?"

They bust out the little foot measuring thing...

Them: "Damn, dude. Are you sure you're not a duck?"

THey don't even carry my mom's size in the store. We have to order them.

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:56:03pm

re: #282 Mr Pancakes

Ah, also, your choice to make joint decisions.

Every family has their own system.

285 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:57:24pm

re: #281 Slumbering Behemoth

They look okay, but they only go up to 2E there. I'm a 4E.

And it's funny. Whenever I go to buy a new pair, which is not very often, maybe once every four years, they always look at me like I'm nuts.

Me: "Give me whatever New Balance you have in stock that is the cheapest 10 1/2 4E"

Them, noticing that I'm not very tall nor very big: "Really? 4E? Really?"

They bust out the little foot measuring thing...

Them: "Damn, dude. Are you sure you're not a duck?"

4E? That's a lot of grapes.

//Mashing grapes to make wine.

286 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:57:42pm

re: #284 ggt

Ah, also, your choice to make joint decisions.

Every family has their own system.

I think that was my whole point, like me not gettin' down with the $600 moccasin thing.

287 Kragar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 9:59:56pm

re: #273 austin_blue

Steel toes run about $120, but decent dress shoes, like Bass's run around $80. The advantage is that they last for 6 years. Value.

They weren't steel toed. Insulated, water proof combat boots, back when I was in the infantry. Still have them in the closet with my old gear.

288 Gus  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:00:35pm

Sleep calls. Good night.

289 boredtechindenver  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:01:07pm

re: #271 Gus 802

I bought a pair of Cole Hahns once. Traded them back in for two pairs. Macy's shoe department. One of them broke and they replaced them for free no questions asked. Kind of price for the time (1987). Then I was into buying Timberland Oxfords which were at 100 bucks a pop. Had my clothes and shoe phase which last until I was about 32. Then I moved to Denver and I became a stick in the mud.


Gus, I would have bought a pair of $125 Red Wing Casual shoes, but they didn't have my size. This was at the Red Wing store up by Bel Mar in Lakewood.

What part of Denver were you living in?

290 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:03:23pm

G'nite.

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:03:29pm

re: #283 ggt

My tiny great grandma had to order hers special as well. 3A was her size.

re: #285 Gus 802

Heh. Heard that. I've also been told I should have been a surfer. Wide grip and all that.

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:04:05pm

re: #286 Mr Pancakes

I think that was my whole point, like me not gettin' down with the $600 moccasin thing.

ah, somehow that got lost.

sorry.

293 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:06:15pm

re: #292 ggt

ah, somehow that got lost.

sorry.

Ah no prob........ maybe someday I'll buy my wife some expensive shoes. I'm sure she would like it........ you got the juices flowing!

294 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:10:42pm

re: #293 Mr Pancakes

... you got the juices flowing!

Do be sure not to tell your wife about that the day you buy her those shoes. She may not understand.
:P

295 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:26pm

I didn't know this guy was still alive.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:35pm

re: #293 Mr Pancakes

Ah no prob... maybe someday I'll buy my wife some expensive shoes. I'm sure she would like it... you got the juices flowing!

If it's her thing . . ..

297 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:12:44pm

re: #294 Slumbering Behemoth

Do be sure not to tell your wife about that the day you buy her those shoes. She may not understand.
:P

"Juices flowing" from English to Spanish would be a HUH? reply.

298 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:13:59pm

re: #296 ggt

If it's her thing . . ..

She is a woman...... just very frugal. When I met her in Mexico she was supporting two daughters alone on $40 a week.

299 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:15:11pm

A couple just got married and on the night of their honeymoon before passionate love, the wife tells the husband, "Please be gentile, I'm still a virgin."

The husband being shocked, replied, "How's this possible? You've been married three times before."

The wife responds, "Well, my first husband was a gynecologist and all he wanted to do was look at it. My second husband was a psychiatrist and all he wanted to do was talk about it. Finally, my third husband was a stamp collector and all he wanted to do was...oh, how I miss him!"

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:16:40pm

re: #298 Mr Pancakes

She is a woman... just very frugal. When I met her in Mexico she was supporting two daughters alone on $40 a week.

I hated those days. Probably why I get what I want when I feel I need it, now. My parents were misers too!

Took my Mom to Nordstrom to buy shoes this year --she will spend money on shoes because she's always had to to get them to fit.

Huge shoe department, they had exactly 3 pairs that were her size. 2 fit the way she liked and she didn't like either pair.

Finally she settled on the New Balance, we ordered them and she kept them.

This whole process took weeks. I called around to all the specialty stores-NOTHING in her size.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:20:19pm

re: #299 Slumbering Behemoth


Please be gentile, I'm still a virgin."

What does being a gentile have to do with the first time?

302 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:21:42pm

re: #301 ggt

What does being a gentile have to do with the first time?

Well you know what they say about gentiles.

303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:23:07pm

re: #300 ggt

Odd sized feet are a pain in the ass. Me, being a dude who doesn't give much of a fuck, I find it easier.

But make no mistake, there are many guys out there who are just as obsessed with shoes and fashion as any female stereotype.

304 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:25:01pm

re: #301 ggt

Hahahaha! Hilarious catch. I'm just copyin' and pastin'. I ain't proof readin'.

305 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:25:03pm

re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth

Odd sized feet are a pain in the ass. Me, being a dude who doesn't give much of a fuck, I find it easier.

But make no mistake, there are many guys out there who are just as obsessed with shoes and fashion as any female stereotype.

Flip-Flops I say....... they are very forgiving. From what I understand you can't call them thongs anymore.

306 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:25:36pm

re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth

Odd sized feet are a pain in the ass. Me, being a dude who doesn't give much of a fuck, I find it easier.

But make no mistake, there are many guys out there who are just as obsessed with shoes and fashion as any female stereotype.

Hence, #1.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:26:05pm

re: #305 Mr Pancakes

Flip-Flops I say... they are very forgiving. From what I understand you can't call them thongs anymore.

My husband was raised in Hawaii. He calls them 'slippers'. Sorry, 'slippahs'.

308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:26:11pm

re: #303 Slumbering Behemoth

Odd sized feet are a pain in the ass. Me, being a dude who doesn't give much of a fuck, I find it easier.

But make no mistake, there are many guys out there who are just as obsessed with shoes and fashion as any female stereotype.

I never had much of a choice when I was younger. My feet were narrower than they are now (thanks to pregnancy and working retail). I never got to wear cool shoes or clothes for that matter (school uniform).

So, fashion is my thing. There are worse things.

309 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:28:08pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband was raised in Hawaii. He calls them 'slippers'. Sorry, 'slippahs'.

Which island?

310 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:28:16pm

plantars fasciitis --

flip flops are painful.

Loved them when I was younger --could buy 10 pair at Kmart for nearly nothing. Every color!

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:29:45pm

There is also the Toe Kini

Which, for some reason, just seems like foot underwear to me.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:30:38pm

re: #309 Mr Pancakes

Which island?

Oahu. In and around Honolulu.

313 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:31:02pm

Ever seen anyone wearing a pair of these.

It's freaky --like they have hands instead of feet.

People who wear them LOVE them.

314 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:31:11pm

re: #310 ggt

plantars fasciitis --

flip flops are painful.

Loved them when I was younger --could buy 10 pair at Kmart for nearly nothing. Every color!

plantars fasciitis...... is the bane of Antonio Gates...... no one here knows who he is.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:31:23pm

re: #311 ggt

There is also the Toe Kini

Which, for some reason, just seems like foot underwear to me.

They look like teeny little toe briefs.

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:31:41pm

re: #313 ggt

Ever seen anyone wearing a pair of these.

It's freaky --like they have hands instead of feet.

People who wear them LOVE them.

Yeah, I see them around.

317 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:32:04pm

As comfortable as they maybe, I just can't get into it.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:32:24pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

They look like teeny little toe briefs.

I know!

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:33:49pm

Antonio Gates.

google is my friend!

320 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:34:10pm

re: #308 ggt

So, fashion is my thing. There are worse things.

Whatever. I give the lowest amount of fuck humanly possible.
:P

Youtube Video

NSFW, obviously.

321 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:34:17pm

re: #319 ggt

Antonio Gates.

google is my friend!

Funny

322 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:39:56pm

Dogs not to be banned!

What a strange society --still.

323 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:40:32pm

re: #320 Slumbering Behemoth

Whatever. I give the lowest amount of fuck humanly possible.
:P

[Video]NSFW, obviously.

That might be my new theme song...... that and this one.

Youtube Video
324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:40:37pm

re: #313 ggt

Ever seen anyone wearing a pair of these.

It's freaky --like they have hands instead of feet.

People who wear them LOVE them.

The idea behind those was originally about how running bare-footed was much better for the overall health and muscular/tendon development of your feet, with your toes acting independently to stabilize your body as they had evolved to do.

But for obvious reasons, running bare foot in urban environments is impractical, so... Toe Shoes.

325 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:40:54pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I see them around.

I have hammer toes. I could never wear those.

326 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:41:21pm

re: #323 Mr Pancakes

If you're from the West Coast, you go with this.

Youtube Video
327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:43:43pm

Scorpion Venom Vaccine

Science is so cool!

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:44:18pm

re: #324 Slumbering Behemoth

The idea behind those was originally about how running bare-footed was much better for the overall health and muscular/tendon development of your feet, with your toes acting independently to stabilize your body as they had evolved to do.

But for obvious reasons, running bare foot in urban environments is impractical, so... Toe Shoes.

Makes total sense, but they make me cringe.

329 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:47:17pm

re: #327 ggt

Scorpion Venom Vaccine

Science is so cool!

I remember when we lived in the desert my brother put on his shoe. A scorpion had taken up residence there overnight. It stung him, but it wasn't a deadly one.

330 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:47:45pm

Putting Anonymous out of business?

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:48:47pm

re: #329 Mr Pancakes

I remember when we lived in the desert my brother put on his shoe. A scorpion had taken up residence there overnight. It stung him, but it wasn't a deadly one.

whew! I hate bugs.

That would freak me totally out.

Glad he wasn't poisoned.

332 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:51:19pm

re: #330 ggt

...they could come up with a more original name.

333 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:52:01pm

re: #323 Mr Pancakes

Bungle always gets an upding from me.

I was an early adopter, and bought this [NSFW, of course] the day it dropped.

My grandma was with with, saw the cassette cover, and in a rather pleading tone asked "Why?"

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:52:31pm

Whew! I just made the cut. Don't have to worry about bank fees at Melon.

/:)

335 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:53:09pm

re: #331 ggt

whew! I hate bugs.

That would freak me totally out.

Glad he wasn't poisoned.

I think he was poisoned but kinda like a bee sting.

We have these bugs in Southern California and I've had them latch onto my pants while gardening...... the pic here is Photoshopped but it's totally understandable..... they are evil... we call them earth babies.

[Link: insidiousclothing.com...]

336 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:55:22pm

re: #335 Mr Pancakes

I think he was poisoned but kinda like a bee sting.

We have these bugs in Southern California and I've had them latch onto my pants while gardening... the pic here is Photoshopped but it's totally understandable... they are evil... we call them earth babies.

[Link: insidiousclothing.com...]

ew, the ugliest thing I have to deal with is earwigs.

the biting ladybugs are a pain, but have gotten much better.

337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:55:43pm

re: #313 ggt

Ever seen anyone wearing a pair of these.

It's freaky --like they have hands instead of feet.

People who wear them LOVE them.

I did, the other day. They look totally disgusting.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 10:58:39pm

hmmm

339 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:00:13pm

re: #337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I did, the other day. They look totally disgusting.

How's your day been?

340 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:04:52pm

re: #336 ggt

ew, the ugliest thing I have to deal with is earwigs.

the biting ladybugs are a pain, but have gotten much better.

Where do you live?

341 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:05:48pm

re: #340 Mr Pancakes

Where do you live?

The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland™.

342 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:05:55pm

Speaking of the criminally unappreciated....

343 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:06:44pm

re: #341 ggt

The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland™.

Ahhh...... hot dogs no ketchup territory.

344 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:08:27pm

re: #343 Mr Pancakes

Ahhh... hot dogs no ketchup territory.

hot dogs?

You mean kosher? They come with chili.

More like: Polish!

345 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:09:32pm

re: #342 Slumbering Behemoth

Speaking of the criminally unappreciated...

DUDE...... I love that album..... no one else did. I prefer it over Angel Dust which gets me a lot of grief.

Not a bad song on the album........ unlike "Album of the Year" which sucked.

346 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:12:01pm

re: #342 Slumbering Behemoth

Speaking of the criminally unappreciated...

Who hasn't had one of these mornings?

Don't look at me I'm ugly in the morning!

Youtube Video
347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:13:04pm

Chicago Pizza!

mmmmmm!

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:15:03pm

Still on my P!NK fix.

349 darthstar  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:15:36pm

So, apparently one doesn't need to fly to Albuquerque to get to Santa Fe...you can fly direct to Santa Fe airport - which is what we decided to do...saves renting a car and driving from ABQ and gives us more time in SanFe (that's a "SanFran" or "Frisco" payback joke). It's weird...I don't think I've taken a week's vacation since 2006...not counting ski trips which don't really feel like vacations since we've been sharing the same ski lease with the same people for 7 plus years.

350 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:15:52pm

re: #344 ggt

hot dogs?

You mean kosher? They come with chili.

More like: Polish!

Our big thing here is 3:00 Tijuana street hot dogs wrapped in bacon....... they be yummy. As long as you've had all your shots.

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

351 laZardo  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:16:30pm

Bedtiem. Nighty.

352 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:16:57pm

re: #347 ggt

Chicago Pizza!

mmm!

No no no...... that's like pizza casserole or something......

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:18:51pm

re: #349 darthstar

So, apparently one doesn't need to fly to Albuquerque to get to Santa Fe...you can fly direct to Santa Fe airport - which is what we decided to do...saves renting a car and driving from ABQ and gives us more time in SanFe (that's a "SanFran" or "Frisco" payback joke). It's weird...I don't think I've taken a week's vacation since 2006...not counting ski trips which don't really feel like vacations since we've been sharing the same ski lease with the same people for 7 plus years.

But there is so much to do in ABQ.

354 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:19:30pm

re: #352 Mr Pancakes

No no no... that's like pizza casserole or something...

You can see the chunks of chopped garlic!

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:19:49pm

re: #350 Mr Pancakes

Our big thing here is 3:00 Tijuana street hot dogs wrapped in bacon... they be yummy. As long as you've had all your shots.

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

ew! FBV and I would not eat.

356 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:20:16pm

re: #355 ggt

ew! FBV and I would not eat.

Wimps

357 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:22:04pm

re: #354 ggt

You can see the chunks of chopped garlic!

I can see then on a thinner pizza too...... I don't want pizza cake.

358 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:23:46pm

re: #355 ggt

ew! FBV and I would not eat.

You'd be be surprised what you'd eat stumbling out of a Tijuana bar at 3:00AM........

359 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:26:07pm

re: #346 Mr Pancakes

Bought that when it dropped. Sold it for grub latter. Haven't thought about it in years, until your Bungle link.

Bet I could pick it up for $1.99 used.

...

Another thing I did own for a small price, and also sold for an even smaller one, for grub (not drugs)... motherfucker

Youtube Video
360 Kronocide  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:29:24pm

Oh shit, Victim's Family, what a memory.

361 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:31:18pm

re: #358 Mr Pancakes

You'd be be surprised what you'd eat stumbling out of a Tijuana bar at 3:00AM...

I've eaten cold chili out of the can, using a Buck knife as a spoon, while trying to trying to spend the night in a parking garage that does not allow for that sort of thing.

No, I ain't Rambo. No, I ain't Clint Eastwood. No, I ain't John Wayne. Not even close. But life can get pretty strange sometimes.

362 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:32:57pm

re: #359 Slumbering Behemoth

Bought that when it dropped. Sold it for grub latter. Haven't thought about it in years, until your Bungle link.

Bet I could pick it up for $1.99 used.

...

Another thing I did own for a small price, and also sold for an even smaller one, for grub (not drugs)... motherfucker

[Video]

Did you ever get into Secret Chiefs 3? It's Mr Bungle after Mike Patton left.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video
363 Kronocide  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:32:59pm

I forget which shithole club in SF I saw Victim's Family with Mr Bungle opening, but it just all came back. I had a few FIB's who were Nomeansno junkies too.

Friends in Bands

364 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:34:16pm

re: #363 BigPapa

I forget which shithole club in SF I saw Victim's Family with Mr Bungle opening, but it just all came back. I had a few FIB's who were Nomeansno junkies too.

Friends in Bands

Another Bungle fan.......

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:38:22pm

NIght all!

366 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:44:28pm

re: #360 BigPapa

Oh shit, Victim's Family, what a memory.

One of my all time favorite double albums. If I knew it would cost me that much to get back what I sold for only a few bucks, I'd have likely sold off one of your fingers instead.

I still have "Headache Remedy", though.

"I walked upstairs fell flat on my face
passed out and dreamed of a beautiful place
and when everything seemed to be going my way
I woke up in a puddle of puke where I lay."

367 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:45:06pm

Goodnight, all.

368 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:53:30pm

re: #362 Mr Pancakes

No, but now thanks to an asshole like you, it appears I have a new thing to ponder.

/that first track was pretty awesome

369 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:53:54pm

Fjordman Has Gone Public

370 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:55:41pm

re: #368 Slumbering Behemoth

No, but now thanks to an asshole like you, it appears I have a new thing to ponder.

/that first track was pretty awesome

Hey... I aim to please.

Victim's Family does a song by the Dead Kennedys "Ill in the Head" I'm seriously going to check them out.

371 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:58:04pm

re: #361 Slumbering Behemoth

I've eaten cold chili out of the can, using a Buck knife as a spoon, while trying to trying to spend the night in a parking garage that does not allow for that sort of thing.

No, I ain't Rambo. No, I ain't Clint Eastwood. No, I ain't John Wayne. Not even close. But life can get pretty strange sometimes.

You are what you eat.
Just saying....

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:02:51am

re: #370 Mr Pancakes

I'm guessing you may dig their brand of insanity.

373 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:04:28am

re: #371 Floral Giraffe

You are what you eat.
Just saying...

I'm cold chili?

374 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:07:48am

re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm guessing you may dig their brand of insanity.

Yes..... I'm surprised they missed my radar back in the day. I did download the Dead Kennedy cover 15 years ago, but that didn't spur any interest until tonight.

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:10:55am

"We could make MOUNTAINS
Out of Mole-hills
Out of Nothing
Out of Dust"

376 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:15:01am

re: #374 Mr Pancakes

Heh heh. You've made me a very happy Behemoth. Secret Chiefs for Victim's Family. Life is good, and the internet is awesome.

377 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:16:57am

re: #376 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh heh. You've made me a very happy Behemoth. Secret Chiefs for Victim's Family. Life is good, and the internet is awesome.

True that my friend...... more to come someday back and forth I'm sure.

378 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:25:24am

You. Can't. Kill. It.

379 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:30:59am

re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth

You. Can't. Kill. It.

I'm surprised Mike is so reserved on this song. /

Shit lives forever.........

Take it from our drummer, "Puff"
Being good it gets you stuff

380 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:36:01am

re: #378 Slumbering Behemoth

You. Can't. Kill. It.

If you don't make a friend, now
One might make you -
So learn
The gentle art of making enemies

don't look so surprised
happy birthday...fucker

Youtube Video
381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:46:26am

re: #380 Mr Pancakes

Switching gears a bit...

A band I was really into back in the 90's...

SadHappy

382 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:54:14am

re: #363 BigPapa

I forget which shithole club in SF I saw Victim's Family with Mr Bungle opening, but it just all came back. I had a few FIB's who were Nomeansno junkies too.

Friends in Bands

Oh that sounds excellent. I've got 2 degrees of separation from Mr. Bungle. They were great. Along with The Raincoats.

383 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:55:16am

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Switching gears a bit...

A band I was really into back in the 90's...

SadHappy

Very obscure...... definitely some King Crimson influence there. I love prog. I downloaded a song years ago by them called "Wendy's Pumpkin".

384 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:10:03am

re: #383 Mr Pancakes

Yup. Worth buying if you're into it.

"Nemo's Diary" is one of my favorites from them. "Ghostly submarines prowling deep, uncertain seas".

Not on the YouTube. :[

385 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:11:27am

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Switching gears a bit...

A band I was really into back in the 90's...

SadHappy

Ooo I like this. Of course, Morphine comes to mind.

Someone needs to come up with a prog-indie org chart.

386 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:17:47am

re: #383 Mr Pancakes

Very obscure...

Oh! And dick, if you're implying I'm some kind of "hipster" with that, I will kick you right in the pancake!!!

It's not obscure, damnit!!! Just odd and forgotten!!!
///like so many things

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:31:06am

Wasteful idiots!!!

The kind of Tri-Tip I could roast on that, if not for your rancid feet...

GRRRR!!!

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 2:28:41am

Ozzie Guillen doesn't (heart) Sean Penn. Heh.

And good morning honcos.

389 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:04:52am

Yo.

390 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:10:40am

Well, i'm going to be heading off for the proverbial weekend in the Hamptons. It's a little bittersweet, since my main client still hasn't gotten back to me about this years schedule; I'm not sure how badly this last market run has scared them. This next year may be rough.

391 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:13:37am

re: #390 Obdicut

Enjoy your weekend. Hopefully, the clients will come through.

392 researchok  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:19:57am

Morning, all

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:23:24am

Lovely place, North Korea... (check out the pics)
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

394 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:54:29am

Good Morning Honcos!

Had a great couple day vacation with my spouse. We went to Busch Gardens Williamsburg one day and then the Maroon 5 concert the next night in Va Beach. I'm not much of a fan (at all) of Maroon 5, but did enjoy the middle act, Train. They were really good! Hope all is well here. Today I check in to start school for the first time in 21 years.

Youtube Video
395 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:01:43am

Everyone taking the morning off?

396 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:03:49am

Afternoon music: Laibach - Espana

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397 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:07:08am

If pot has never been smoked out of a pipe, how can it be called a marijuana pipe?

[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]

398 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:09:09am

I want to live in a country where the media have the awesome power to make the whole world enchanted with and love a little cartoon mouse and a goofy dog, so much that people will work hard all year long to save enough money and then spend millions and millions of dollars to travel from the far corners of the earth to visit a mouse, that is not even real.

- Kamau Kambon

399 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:10:01am

re: #397 Cannadian Club Akbar

If pot has never been smoked out of a pipe, how can it be called a marijuana pipe?

[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]

Pennsylvania is where they charged Tommy Chong. Pennsylvania hates pipes

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:10:06am

re: #397 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, and, way to crack the case there, Sipowitz.

401 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:16:56am

re: #394 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

Had a great couple day vacation with my spouse. We went to Busch Gardens Williamsburg one day and then the Maroon 5 concert the next night in Va Beach. I'm not much of a fan (at all) of Maroon 5, but did enjoy the middle act, Train. They were really good! Hope all is well here. Today I check in to start school for the first time in 21 years.

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My old mom loves Train. We bought her tix to their show at the upcoming State Fair for her B-day.

Do you like knitting tea cozies too? Maybe you guys could be facebook friends and share patterns.

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:19:47am

Tobacco pipe.

403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:20:44am

re: #401 RogueOne

My old mom loves Train. We bought her tix to their show at the upcoming State Fair for her B-day.

Do you like knitting tea cozies too? Maybe you guys could be facebook friends and share patterns.

Dude. That's uncalled for. No way does your mom know how to use FB.

404 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:30:14am

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

Last year my folks followed Neil Diamond around for a few weeks. If Navy plays his cards right he might be able to hitch a ride for the next tour.

405 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:33:11am

re: #404 RogueOne

Last year my folks followed Neil Diamond around for a few weeks. If Navy plays his cards right he might be able to hitch a ride for the next tour.

I had Neil Diamond 45's when I was a kid. I balanced it out by listening to King Diamond when I got older.

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:55:20am

Stress?
[Link: www.nbcphiladelphia.com...]

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 4:56:37am

re: #393 Cannadian Club Akbar

Everything is named after that crazy little shit.

It's like Robert Effing Byrd in WV.

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:01:49am

Uh, give them an empty beer or soda can. Or some foil to make a pipe.
[Link: www.vancouversun.com...]

410 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:03:34am

Gotta run, BBIAB

411 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:06:05am

re: #397 Cannadian Club Akbar

If pot has never been smoked out of a pipe, how can it be called a marijuana pipe?

[Link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com...]

Arizona tried to pass an anti-paraphernalia law some years ago. it was overturned. You just can't go into a shop and ask them to sell you a hash pipe: you have to ask for a pipe to smoke little teeny-weeny chunks of tobacco in...

But by the standards of the PA police, they could bust Radio Shack for selling roach clips...

412 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:10:34am

re: #411 ralphieboy

Here, if you even mention weed, they ask you to leave. And, when they sell bowls, I don't think they come with screens. But they'll sell you some. Fuckers.

413 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:13:06am

The gas station where I fill up on the way to work has glass bongs displayed prominently right next to the register.

414 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:14:39am

Morning Lizardim. Happy Friday to all.

415 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:14:43am

This is gross and the parents need a beating.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:15:19am

re: #413 Alouette

The gas station where I fill up on the way to work has glass bongs displayed prominently right next to the register.

Get me one and some chocolate mini donuts.:)

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:22:48am

Some of the animation parody real situations that have occurred in the department, Milosevich said, but other events referenced in the cartoons never took place.

Sounds like the beginning of a cartoon Law and Order episode. But no.
[Link: www.komonews.com...]

418 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:24:11am

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is gross and the parents need a beating.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Vogue editors need to have a little chit chat with law enforcement.

419 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:29:34am

Somebody to love.

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420 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:38:38am

Job numbers out for July...better than expected + 117,000

421 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:42:01am

re: #420 blueraven

Job numbers out for July...better than expected + 117,000

Maybe the markets won't slide another 5 points today, then.

422 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:45:22am

re: #421 Obdicut

Maybe the markets won't slide another 5 points today, then.

Futures are up slightly. Hope it holds up. Unemployment rate went from 9.2 to 9.1. Considering we are still losing government jobs at a good clip, this is some good news at least.

423 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:46:17am

re: #420 blueraven

Job numbers out for July...better than expected + 117,000

GOP taking credit for it due to their stand on govt spending in 3, 2, 1...

424 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:49:07am

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is gross and the parents need a beating.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Looks like the old brooke shields pics. Some peoples parents....

425 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 5:59:11am

re: #424 RogueOne

Looks like the old brooke shields pics. Some peoples parents...

There will always be parents who want to promote their little darling. Don't the Vogue editors have any common sense? Maybe not, since they also invented anorexia as an ideal.

426 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:03:30am

re: #424 RogueOne

Looks like the old brooke shields pics. Some peoples parents...

Reminded me more of that hideous TV show Toddlers in Tiaras. Ugh.

427 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:03:41am

re: #425 Alouette

There will always be parents who want to promote their little darling. Don't the Vogue editors have any common sense? Maybe not, since they also invented anorexia as an ideal.

Living out their fantasies through their little kids. When my wife wants to get fired up she'll watch that Toddler and Tiaras show.

428 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:05:51am

re: #427 RogueOne

Living out their fantasies through their little kids. When my wife wants to get fired up she'll watch that Toddler and Tiaras show.

Even just watching the previews makes me want to reach through the screen and bitchslap someone. It just boggles my mind how desperately some people try to live vicariously through their children. I'm quite satisfied with my life the way it is, my son can do whatever the heck he wants.

429 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:07:03am

re: #426 thedopefishlives

Reminded me more of that hideous TV show Toddlers in Tiaras. Ugh.

I wonder what those kids parents expect them to turn out like after being brought up like that? I don't know what goes through their mind. Who thinks it's a good idea to sexualize their six year old?

430 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:07:03am

Yuliya Tymoshenko has been arrested.

431 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:07:45am

re: #428 thedopefishlives

Even just watching the previews makes me want to reach through the screen and bitchslap someone. It just boggles my mind how desperately some people try to live vicariously through their children. I'm quite satisfied with my life the way it is, my son can do whatever the heck he wants.

I guess in the spirit of the great balance fairy some guys do the same thing with their boys through sports.

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:07:54am

re: #430 Sergey Romanov

Yuliya Tymoshenko has been arrested.

OK. I'll bite. Who is that?

433 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:08:10am

re: #432 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK. I'll bite. Who is that?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

434 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:08:14am

re: #430 Sergey Romanov

Yuliya Tymoshenko has been arrested.

Good, I hate that asshole.....who is he again?

435 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:10:08am

re: #434 RogueOne

Good, I hate that asshole...who is he again?

She...I think

436 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:10:40am

re: #433 Sergey Romanov

So, the ruling class (politicians?) fear her? Didn't they arrest some oil exec years ago in Russia?

437 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:10:50am

Orange revolution wazzat. Something to do with exports of fruits?

/

438 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:11:38am

re: #437 Sergey Romanov

Orange revolution wazzat. Something to do with exports of fruits?

/

So is this whole case a backlash against the Orange Revolution, then? I'm afraid the intricacies of Eastern European politics escape me.

439 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:11:46am

re: #433 Sergey Romanov

They arrested Heidi?
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440 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:12:22am

re: #436 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, the ruling class (politicians?) fear her?/blockquote>Cat scratches dog, dog bites cat story.

441 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:14:19am

re: #439 RogueOne

They arrested Heidi?
Image: H500871D.jpg


Nah, Octavian August:

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442 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:15:15am

re: #438 thedopefishlives

So is this whole case a backlash against the Orange Revolution, then? I'm afraid the intricacies of Eastern European politics escape me.

Basically, yes. Though I'm sure she's done enough things "above the law". Still, that stinks a bit.

443 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:15:37am

re: #439 RogueOne

They arrested Heidi?
Image: H500871D.jpg

She is actually very pretty

Image: 398px-Timoshenko-bez-kosy.JPG

444 BongCrodny  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:15:56am

I remember Todd Rundgren and Daryl Hall.

Their big hit was "I Just Want To Bang On The Rich Girl All Day."

445 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:16:32am

re: #443 blueraven

She is actually very pretty

Image: 398px-Timoshenko-bez-kosy.JPG

Attractive, smart, and wealthy....I could learn to be a kept man///

446 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:16:58am

re: #443 blueraven

She is actually very pretty

Image: 398px-Timoshenko-bez-kosy.JPG

Hail imagemakerts.

Because earlier: Image: 20041207-timoshenko.jpg

447 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:19:37am

re: #446 Sergey Romanov

Interpol? What was she accused of doing? I'd google but I assume you already know the story.

448 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:22:23am

re: #447 RogueOne

Interpol? What was she accused of doing? I'd google but I assume you already know the story.

That appeared briefly on their site, then disappeared. Basically, it was Russian request, she was wanted because of some energy-related deals. After she became PM she actually traveled to Russia, gave a deposition and the case was quickly closed.

Image: putin_medvedev_timoshenko.jpg

449 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:24:36am

re: #448 Sergey Romanov

She is a hottie.
Image: Yulia_Tymoshenko_300.jpg

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:27:37am

re: #448 Sergey Romanov

What was she arrested for this time?

451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:28:06am

re: #449 Cannadian Club Akbar

She is a hottie.
Image: Yulia_Tymoshenko_300.jpg

Pootie-Poot agrees:

Image: _45072025_putin_timoshenko203b.jpg

"RAWR!"/

452 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:29:18am

Dow futures are pointing up but I have no idea what's going to happen today.

453 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:30:03am

re: #451 Sergey Romanov

HaHa! He looks like he's trying to use mind control. He badly wants to be a jedi, bending frying pans with the power of his mind!

454 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:30:18am

re: #450 Cannadian Club Akbar

What was she arrested for this time?

On 15 December 2010 the General Prosecutor's Office instituted a criminal case against Tymoshenko on the fact of the misuse of funds received by Ukraine within the framework of the Kyoto Protocol, she was officially charged on 20 December 2010.[195][196][197][198] Tymoshenko denied the money had been spent on pensions and insisted it was still at the disposal of the environment ministry and called the investigation against her a witch-hunt.[196]


She is also accused of agreeing to the Russian "expensive" price demands for gas. The irony here is that Yanukovych-Azarov's govt is supposed to be pro-Russian, and vice-versa, Yushchenko-Tymoshenko were supposed to be "Russophobes".

455 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:30:20am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Dow futures are pointing up but I have no idea what's going to happen today.

Neither does anybody. That's what makes it so much FUN!/

456 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:30:59am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Dow futures are pointing up but I have no idea what's going to happen today.

The sun will come up and go down with a lot of "nothing we can do about it" in between. Rinse, repeat.

457 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:31:10am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Dow futures are pointing up but I have no idea what's going to happen today.

Looks pretty good off the job numbers. I think so much of yesterday was Europe and sheer panic.

458 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:31:19am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Dow futures are pointing up but I have no idea what's going to happen today.

Job report was good. That'll ease some of the worries.

If the Democrats put together a jobs package and manage to shame the GOP into passing it, that'd help a lot.

459 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:31:28am

re: #453 RogueOne

HaHa! He looks like he's trying to use mind control. He badly wants to be a jedi, bending frying pans with the power of his mind!

"What are you talking about? I am KGB, of course I can bend this spoon."

460 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:32:25am

re: #454 Sergey Romanov

Basically, to give an analogy, it would be like Republicans blaming Obama to agree to Medicare and SS cuts in the debt ceiling debate. Thankfully it would never happen in the US.

oh wait

461 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:32:55am

Drudge is hyping stories about blacks beating whites again....
'Mob' beatings at WI state fair...

'Hundreds of young black people beating white people'...

Fairgoers 'pulled out of cars'...

'They were just going after white people'...

462 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:33:30am

re: #457 blueraven

Looks pretty good off the job numbers. I think so much of yesterday was Europe and sheer panic.

Let's hope so.

463 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:34:41am

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Drudge is hyping stories about blacks beating whites again...
'Mob' beatings at WI state fair...

'Hundreds of young black people beating white people'...

Fairgoers 'pulled out of cars'...

'They were just going after white people'...

As always, the eternal question: Is Drudge actively going 'turner Diaries' on us, or is he just pimping shit he knows his GOP base wants to hear?

464 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:35:29am

re: #461 Killgore Trout

Reading the story it seems like a pretty ugly scene. The media have been pushing the "dangers of flash mobs!" quite a bit recently. We're all gonna die.

465 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:36:25am

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Magic 8 Ball says.... Better not tell you now

466 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:37:28am

re: #465 lawhawk

Magic 8 Ball says... Better not tell you now

Reply hazy, try again later.

467 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:37:53am

re: #465 lawhawk

Magic 8 Ball says... Better not tell you now

I'm betting you have a Magic 8 Ball in your office.

468 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:37:53am

re: #463 Obdicut

As always, the eternal question: Is Drudge actively going 'turner Diaries' on us, or is he just pimping shit he knows his GOP base wants to hear?

It's hard to tell but I think the last election stirred up a lot of latent racism in a lot of people..

469 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:38:11am

Does WI have CCW laws? This kind of stuff doesn't happen in IN. If a mob started attacking people at the IN state fair someone is getting shot.

470 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:38:14am

re: #458 Obdicut

I'd rather see an infrastructure program than a jobs program. When the money runs out on the jobs program, those jobs disappear. When the infrastructure money is done, we have the improved infrastructure.

471 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:38:44am

re: #467 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ask me again...

472 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:39:10am

re: #469 RogueOne

Does WI have CCW laws? This kind of stuff doesn't happen in IN. If a mob started attacking people at the IN state fair someone is getting shot.

If a mob started attacking people at the IN state fair, that'd mean there were people actually attending the state fair.

Hey, I used to live in Indiana. I know how it goes.

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:39:46am

re: #471 lawhawk

Ask me again...

Does LH keep a magic 8 ball on a shelf in his office?

474 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:40:01am

re: #472 thedopefishlives

If a mob started attacking people at the IN state fair, that'd mean there were people actually attending the state fair.

Hey, I used to live in Indiana. I know how it goes.

The fair is always packed! 2nd best freak show in the country, right behind the KY state fair.

475 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:40:16am

re: #470 lawhawk

I'd rather see an infrastructure program than a jobs program. When the money runs out on the jobs program, those jobs disappear. When the infrastructure money is done, we have the improved infrastructure.

Whatever. Infrastructure program. Alternative energy building program.

Doesn't really matter, since the pants-on-head glibertarian economic wizards of the GOP will fight it tooth and nail.

476 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:40:55am

re: #474 RogueOne

The fair is always packed! 2nd best freak show in the country, right behind the KY state fair.

Hmm. I must've always gone on off days or something then, because I don't ever recall attendance being too high. Of course, now I'm spoiled, what with the largest state fair in the country and all.

477 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:41:35am

re: #476 thedopefishlives

Excuse me, the MN state fair is the 3rd largest. Close but no cigar.

478 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:42:49am

re: #477 thedopefishlives

Excuse me, the MN state fair is the 3rd largest. Close but no cigar.

We have a nice one here, I guess. Haven't been in 30 years.

479 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:43:19am

re: #477 thedopefishlives

Excuse me, the MN state fair is the 3rd largest. Close but no cigar.

You lie! Yankees don't know how to do a state fair.//

480 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:44:29am

re: #478 Cannadian Club Akbar

We have a nice one here, I guess. Haven't been in 30 years.

I like the food. Anything fried and on a stick kicks ass. Plus, I like to make fun of people. I can get almost an entire years worth of snark in one day at the fair.

481 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:44:34am

Now I'm all in the mood for fair season. The county fair is next weekend, and then the MN state fair will be starting up at the end of the month. I hope I've got enough money in the budget to pay for all the overpriced deep-fried food on a stick that we'll be consuming over the next month.

482 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:45:03am

re: #479 RogueOne

You lie! Yankees don't know how to do a state fair.//

Heh... NY ranks up there with the best of the state fairs!

483 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:45:51am

re: #458 Obdicut

Job report was good. That'll ease some of the worries.

If the Democrats put together a jobs package and manage to shame the GOP into passing it, that'd help a lot.

This shows our sharply diminished expectations. That jobs report gave a number barely enough to cover population growth. I'd like to see incentives to bring jobs back here. Especially mfg.

484 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:46:49am

re: #482 lawhawk

Heh... NY ranks up there with the best of the state fairs!

I've been to the Iowa state fair. I've never seen so many pigs in one location.

485 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:49:08am

re: #484 RogueOne

I've been to the Iowa state fair. I've never seen so many pigs in one location.

Guess you've never been to a Code Pink rally.:)

486 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:50:15am

re: #485 Cannadian Club Akbar

Guess you've never been to a Code Pink rally.:)

Or to the state police headquarters.

487 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:50:56am

re: #483 Rightwingconspirator

This shows our sharply diminished expectations. That jobs report gave a number barely enough to cover population growth. I'd like to see incentives to bring jobs back here. Especially mfg.

Considering expectations were about 85,000 on the optimistic side, this was a good number. With the debt deal hanging over us, I am pleasantly surprised.

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:51:01am

re: #486 thedopefishlives

Or to the state police headquarters.

Or a "Boobs not Bombs" march.

489 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:56:29am

re: #483 Rightwingconspirator

This shows our sharply diminished expectations. That jobs report gave a number barely enough to cover population growth. I'd like to see incentives to bring jobs back here. Especially mfg.

There isn't a ton that can be done with manufacturing other than promoting cutting-edge stuff, since automation is the reason we've lost jobs in manufacturing. I mean, assuming we don't want to go back to 1900 levels of workplace safety and wages.

The main industrialized base is huge, larger than it ever has been. But it produces very few jobs because the largest parts of it, the most stable and well-founded, are so heavily automated.

There's a ton of room for growth in alternative energy manufacturing, and carbon nanotube stuff, that would produce jobs.

I do like the idea of the tax forgiveness for offshored money based on jobs created; i.e. for every job created by the corporation they get to bring back X dollars. Last time we let them bring back money they just gave it out as disbursements, which didn't really help.

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:57:22am

re: #458 Obdicut

Job report was good. That'll ease some of the worries.

If the Democrats put together a jobs real stimulus package and managegrew a spine strong enough to shame the GOP into passing it, that'd help a lot.

Fixed that for you.

The last stimulus was maybe 25% of what we need. Combine that with a rejection of the Bush tax cuts and maybe we'd actually see something good happen.

491 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:57:59am

Markets are looking pretty confused, Dow was +80 for a second, now - 21

492 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 6:59:42am

Oh boy! 117,000 "jobs" were added in July! The recession is over! No more unemployment! Hip, hip, hooray!

//

493 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:01:42am

-81
Shit

494 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:02:32am

re: #492 Gus 802

Oh boy! 117,000 "jobs" were added in July! The recession is over! No more unemployment! Hip, hip, hooray!

//

Hardly, but it did beat expectations and some were even predicting negative numbers. That would have been a terrible thing, especially after yesterday.

495 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:02:40am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

-81
Shit

Until someone can answer the question "Where will the recovery come from?" there is no reason for the market to stop declining.

496 darthstar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:02:43am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

-81
Shit

Reine posted this on facebook...

Youtube Video
497 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:03:18am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

-81
Shit

You're jinxing it. Stop watching!

498 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:03:47am

re: #493 Killgore Trout

-81
Shit

It's would be pretty hilarious if they rallied over 117,000 jobs being added to payrolls. Especially given that it's July and most of this is probably part time and watching roller coasters and Ferris wheels if you know what I mean.

499 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:04:21am

re: #496 darthstar

Reine posted this on facebook...

[Video]

heh

500 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:04:42am

re: #494 blueraven

Hardly, but it did beat expectations and some were even predicting negative numbers. That would have been a terrible thing, especially after yesterday.

Needs at least one more zero. This is summer employment. Nothing to rally about IMO nor crow about. The Great Recession continues.

501 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:06:22am

re: #494 blueraven

Hardly, but it did beat expectations and some were even predicting negative numbers. That would have been a terrible thing, especially after yesterday.

But yeah you are right. If it was a decline it would be worse. I'm still cynical though.

502 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:07:44am

re: #501 Gus 802

But yeah you are right. If it was a decline it would be worse. I'm still cynical though.

I know. I dont blame you. I am just trying to find anything good where I can.

503 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:08:00am
"It is a short-term relief. Many investors had expected a (terrible) number after yesterday's selloff in stocks," said Abdullah Karatash, head of US fixed income credit trading at Natixis in New York. "But I think one report won't reverse the worries about the economy. I think investors' focus will shift back next week to the soft macro economic picture and euro-zone's sovereign debt problems."
504 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:10:39am

re: #503 Sergey Romanov

News is reinforcing when it comes in waves. Right now, the bad news comes in waves. It's a steady drumbeat of bad news - US debt, Eurozone debt crisis spreading/worries about defaults, bad reports one after the other.

A single good blip of news isn't going to turn the tide. We'd need a steady stream of good news to bring things around. That's why the employment data isn't having much of a positive effect.

505 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:14:11am

New Missouri Law May Make It Illegal To Friend Your Former Teachers On Facebook
[Link: www.techdirt.com...]

Finally. This will put a stop to the terrible trend of teachers having friends.

506 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:16:26am

re: #504 lawhawk

News is reinforcing when it comes in waves. Right now, the bad news comes in waves. It's a steady drumbeat of bad news - US debt, Eurozone debt crisis spreading/worries about defaults, bad reports one after the other.

US Debt isn't bad news. US debt-- or rather, how willing people are to borrow US bonds-- shows that people have faith in the fundamental soundness of our ability to pay back that debt.

The problem there is that we're cutting spending in the middle of a recession, which is godawful stupid.

We'd need a steady stream of good news to bring things around.

Traditionally, we'll need either lower energy prices (iffy, but quite possible if the dollar goes up and the Euro goes down), some new industry innovations-- iffy, since R&D has fallen hugely in recent years as corporations focus more on stupid financial instruments than looking towards the future-- or government spending. Government spending, of course, is now being held hostage by the GOP, who are happily using gangster metaphors for themselves now.

Yay.

507 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:16:55am

re: #505 RogueOne

New Missouri Law May Make It Illegal To Friend Your Former Teachers On Facebook
[Link: www.techdirt.com...]

Finally. This will put a stop to the terrible trend of teachers having friends.

The bill is clearly targeted at stopping sexual relationships between teachers and students, which is a perfectly admirable goal. But, like so many laws, it appears this one was written very poorly, and creates massive unintended consequences.

Another knee jerk reactionary trying to write a law without thinking it through.

508 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:17:37am

re: #504 lawhawk

News is reinforcing when it comes in waves. Right now, the bad news comes in waves. It's a steady drumbeat of bad news - US debt, Eurozone debt crisis spreading/worries about defaults, bad reports one after the other.

A single good blip of news isn't going to turn the tide. We'd need a steady stream of good news to bring things around. That's why the employment data isn't having much of a positive effect.

I know several people personally who have just given up on the markets entirely. Cashed out and put their money into real estate. Here in TX, real estate has not suffered nearly as bad as nationally.

Just too many factors in the market; global concerns, politics...I have a feeling there are a lot of people just getting the hell out.

509 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:17:57am

re: #504 lawhawk

News is reinforcing when it comes in waves. Right now, the bad news comes in waves. It's a steady drumbeat of bad news - US debt, Eurozone debt crisis spreading/worries about defaults, bad reports one after the other.

A single good blip of news isn't going to turn the tide. We'd need a steady stream of good news to bring things around. That's why the employment data isn't having much of a positive effect.

I'd still have to try hard on being comforted by seeing positive numbers on system that doesn't work. I realize this might be a radical concept for some people. So when we're back in positive numbers sure it will be "better" but the struggle for the working and middle class will continue and will only worsen as we continue along using a system that only benefits the top 2 percent of American citizens.

510 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:20:22am

re: #509 Gus 802

Heh. The old Adam Smith quote needs a rework:

Old version: "The people are not there to serve the markets. The markets are there to serve the people."

New GOP version: "Most of the people are there to serve the markets. The markets are there to serve a very small percentage of the people."

511 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:21:44am

re: #502 blueraven

I know. I dont blame you. I am just trying to find anything good where I can.


After 10 Years In Prison, Cory Maye Comes Home
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

512 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:21:46am

re: #506 Obdicut

I forgot-- innovation also depends on government spending on basic science, and the work of tons of grad students. Now, of course, those grad students are going to have a much tougher time staying in school, with the changes the GOP have maid to financial aid.

Yay.

513 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:23:08am

re: #506 Obdicut

US Debt isn't bad news. US debt-- or rather, how willing people are to borrow US bonds-- shows that people have faith in the fundamental soundness of our ability to pay back that debt.

The problem there is that we're cutting spending in the middle of a recession, which is godawful stupid.

Traditionally, we'll need either lower energy prices (iffy, but quite possible if the dollar goes up and the Euro goes down), some new industry innovations-- iffy, since R&D has fallen hugely in recent years as corporations focus more on stupid financial instruments than looking towards the future-- or government spending. Government spending, of course, is now being held hostage by the GOP, who are happily using gangster metaphors for themselves now.

Yay.

There was a time when industrialists, business executives, used to love the particular industry that they were in. When industry was proud about creating jobs for Americans. Made in the USA was a point of pride. Now, we've reached a point where these same industrialists and executive have gotten lazy -- like the rest of us -- and want an easy route to fast riches. Everyone of them wants to be J Paul Getty and everyone of them has a bloated ego that doesn't fit the reality of their shortcomings.

Many of them grew up thinking that "greed is good" when in fact it is not if it destroys a nation as we are seeing today. In the end. American corporations don't want to produce as much as they want to create wealth from wealth or wealth through the manipulation of financial regulations and money products. If they do want to produce and employ people then the tendency is to outsource to 3rd world countries or China.

514 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:24:07am

re: #511 RogueOne

After 10 Years In Prison, Cory Maye Comes Home
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

That is great!

515 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:26:12am

Good morning my scaly friends!

516 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:27:04am

I grew up thinking that the "majority rules". In America, the majority gets to vote. They also get to chose their political representatives. However, the majority does not rule. The majority is here to serve the minority in power who are in the upper echelons of political and monetary social strata. A radical concept. One that was created around 1776. The rich are our new British kings.

517 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:27:06am

re: #513 Gus 802

You're entirely right. Many large companies these days spend more time fiddling with financial instruments than concentrating on their core industry, since that's what's most profitable. In addition, health care costs, through insurance, make up such a large part of their costs that they spend tons of time and money figuring out how to minimize those-- also a distraction from the actual business.

In a well-regulated market, this would make those companies inefficient, but in the actual market we have, where financial instruments are highly unregulated and health care is a byzantine system that rewards economy of scale, it's exactly backwards.

518 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:27:23am

It would be great if talking heads would stop saying 'the new normal' like it was a brand new, interesting phrase.

519 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:27:37am

Gaddafi's son killed in strike, rebels claim

BENGHAZI: Libya's rebel forces said Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son, Khamis, and more than 30 others were killed in a NATO strike on an operations centre in the western town of Zliten.

Citing spies operating among Colonel Gaddafi's ranks, Mohammed Zawawi, a spokesman for revolutionary militia groups, said Khamis was among the dead.

''Overnight there was an aircraft attack by NATO on the Gaddafi operations room in Zliten, and there are around 32 Gaddafi troops killed. One of them is Khamis,'' Mr Zawawi, a spokesman for the United Revolutionary Forces said.

It sucks to be Mo's kids.

520 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:28:00am

re: #514 blueraven

That is great!

I got a little dust in my eye when I read it.//

521 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:29:01am

re: #518 jaunte

It would be great if talking heads would stop saying 'the new normal' like it was a brand new, interesting phrase.

If this is the new normal then we need a revolution.

522 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:29:22am

re: #521 Gus 802

"At the end of the day!"

523 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:29:25am

re: #519 NJDhockeyfan

GQK's officials already said it's not true.

524 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:31:49am

re: #522 jaunte

"At the end of the day!"

After I finish watching "True Blood."

//

525 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:36:47am

re: #517 Obdicut

You're entirely right. Many large companies these days spend more time fiddling with financial instruments than concentrating on their core industry, since that's what's most profitable. In addition, health care costs, through insurance, make up such a large part of their costs that they spend tons of time and money figuring out how to minimize those-- also a distraction from the actual business.

In a well-regulated market, this would make those companies inefficient, but in the actual market we have, where financial instruments are highly unregulated and health care is a byzantine system that rewards economy of scale, it's exactly backwards.

A lot of this is socialization as I alluded to before. It is the socialization and normalization of Gordon Gekko mentality. Many of them went into business school not because they loved business or industry but instead to make money. This is almost the same thing that happened with medical doctors. Television and the movie industry played a large part in this socialization. Americans are highly influenced by the mass media and they become our role models. They are not even numbers people.

526 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:41:18am

re: #525 Gus 802

A lot of people in medicine are there because they honestly want to help out (while making money), but even there they get disillusioned very fast, both by the experience of med school, and the experience of the practice of medicine in real life.

One recent graduate, friend of my wife's, who's a straightforward primary care doctor, says that he basically has the option of making a modest income by doing primarily medicare, or making a highly variable income by engaging with private insurance, hiring someone to deal solely with making those claims, paying close attention to compensation schemes among the different plans, and doing at least some gaming of the system.

The reason why doctors still do medicare, despite all the fear-mongering, is because it's a quite dependable source of income. People on private insurance aren't nearly as dependable, and it takes a lot of resources on the doctors part to actually chase that money down.

But of course, single-payer would be a terribly inefficient government bureaucracy whargble.

527 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:44:17am

re: #526 Obdicut

A lot of people in medicine are there because they honestly want to help out (while making money), but even there they get disillusioned very fast, both by the experience of med school, and the experience of the practice of medicine in real life.

One recent graduate, friend of my wife's, who's a straightforward primary care doctor, says that he basically has the option of making a modest income by doing primarily medicare, or making a highly variable income by engaging with private insurance, hiring someone to deal solely with making those claims, paying close attention to compensation schemes among the different plans, and doing at least some gaming of the system.

The reason why doctors still do medicare, despite all the fear-mongering, is because it's a quite dependable source of income. People on private insurance aren't nearly as dependable, and it takes a lot of resources on the doctors part to actually chase that money down.

But of course, single-payer would be a terribly inefficient government bureaucracy whargble.

There's a mix. People who genuinely want to help the world but also people who really just wanted to be retired brain surgeons. I'm not really sure it has anything to do with single-payer or even Universal Healthcare. The exact same thing happens in Canada. Its highly variable depending on which province you're in, what if any specialities you have, and what if any elective procedures you can perform.

528 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:44:45am

Update on Jose Guerena:

No arrests 3 months after killing by SWAT
[Link: azstarnet.com...]


No arrests have been made in the three months since Jose Guerena was killed by a SWAT team during a raid of his home that officials said was part of a complex drug-trafficking investigation involving numerous people.
....
Guerena, 26, did not fire his rifle and died inside his home, reports show. His wife, Vanessa, and their 4-year-old son were inside the house during the raid. Neither was wounded.

A short video released weeks after Guerena's death shows deputies approaching his home turned on their sirens for a few seconds as they approached. It also shows them announcing themselves, then knocking down the front door and firing their guns from outside.

The five officers involved have been cleared of wrongdoing by the Pima County Attorney's Office. Dupnik said no changes have been made to the policy and procedures of how SWAT operates.

Only one guy who had nothing illegal in his home died...why make changes?

529 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:48:08am

Your daily dose of racism from Fox News readers....
Obama Parties With Chris Rock, Jay-Z and Whoopi While Rome Burns

It is nice to see that he had Tom Hanks there as the token white entertainer.
Is it any wonder r@ce relations are at a ALL TIme LOW!
....
After reading the menu, I had one thought. It is summer, where is the watermelon?
....
grew up with African American stench my whole life, Now I need to fear them even further due to a RACIST blck president ??? You blck folks think the world is yours now. FCK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...
Lincoln would have thought a person was insane, if he was told there would be such a party at the White House in150 years.


etc

530 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:48:09am

re: #528 RogueOne

Update on Jose Guerena:

No arrests 3 months after killing by SWAT
[Link: azstarnet.com...]

Only one guy who had nothing illegal in his home died...why make changes?

They won't make changes because the victims isn't a member of the local "church and country club" establishment. Had he been a "successful" member of society, then perhaps changes would be made. And of course there is the fact that the victim's name is Jose Guerena which is another part of the reason. However, the reasons are based largely on the economic status of the victim.

531 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:49:33am

re: #527 McSpiff

Oh, I wasn't really tying the motivation and the 'get money' parts together. Sorry, that was a rather confused post on my part.

Your part about the specialties is exactly right; the one sort of doctor NOT to become if you want to be wealthy is a primary care doctor.

The US has a big deficit of primary care doctors and we have wait times for them that exceed the single-payer nations.

532 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:51:19am

re: #528 RogueOne

Why should they change anything? They were cleared of wrongdoing. There's no penalty for them. I doubt there's even any compensation for the killing available in a civil suit.

They have zero incentive to change their policy, especially if they've fooled themselves into thinking tactics like that 'work'.

What is the actual objective of the drug war, anyway? I've never really understood.

533 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:51:42am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Your daily dose of racism from Fox News readers...
Obama Parties With Chris Rock, Jay-Z and Whoopi While Rome Burns


etc

That's about as bad as HuffPo.

534 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:52:25am

re: #533 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not seeing a racist headline on Huffpo-- where is it?

535 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:54:14am

Could you imagine? SWAT team mistakenly shoots and kills well know podiatrist, "John White", in front of his two children and wife, "Jane White"? Then again, people of high economic status are never under the watchful eye and scrutiny of law enforcement. Cops don't drive around rich neighborhoods looking to bust people for open containers. Cops don't stand in front of the local upscale restaurant looking for potential DUI arrests. They'll stand and wait in front of the local taqueria.

536 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:54:40am

re: #531 Obdicut

Oh, I wasn't really tying the motivation and the 'get money' parts together. Sorry, that was a rather confused post on my part.

Your part about the specialties is exactly right; the one sort of doctor NOT to become if you want to be wealthy is a primary care doctor.

The US has a big deficit of primary care doctors and we have wait times for them that exceed the single-payer nations.

I'm not sure if this is entirely relevant to the US but...

Canada also has wait times that exceed most other single payer nations, and its due to our large rural population. Its really, really hard to convince people to be the small town or village doctor. The either prefer an urban lifestyle, or they prefer to be part of a larger healthcare system, not simply flying solo. That's ignoring any financial constraints.

537 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:55:11am

re: #534 Obdicut

I'm not seeing a racist headline on Huffpo-- where is it?

From a rare visit to the swamp in May...

Racist Comments Flowing at the Huffington Post

538 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:55:53am

Oh brother. From Fox Nation to HuffPo!!11ty

539 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:57:17am

re: #538 Gus 802

Oh brother. From Fox Nation to HuffPo!!11ty

Hate has no particular home.

540 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:57:37am

re: #535 Gus 802

My grandmother's-- now my parents'-- house in San Francisco is in one of the richest neighborhoods.

As teenagers, my brothers would sit on the front steps openly drinking, or hang out in the alley doing so.

Cops never hassled us, ever.

I did always wonder whether that was a privilege. Fun fact: the word privilege comes from privus legis-- private law. As in, one law for that person and others like him, another law for those without that privilege.

541 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:58:56am

Breivik's political idol «Fjordman» emerges from anonymity

- I am Fjordman, says Peder Jensen
542 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:59:06am

re: #537 NJDhockeyfan

From a rare visit to the swamp in May...

Racist Comments Flowing at the Huffington Post

Um, you realize we're talking about a headline on Fox News as well as the comments, right?

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

543 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 7:59:49am

re: #541 Killgore Trout

No, I'm Fjordman./

(kidding - please don't arrest and/or interrogate me!)

544 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:00:05am

re: #542 Obdicut

Um, you realize we're talking about a headline on Fox News as well as the comments, right?

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

Are you keeping score of the viral hate on these two website?

545 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:01:13am

re: #544 NJDhockeyfan

Are you keeping score of the viral hate on these two website?

No. What's your point, dude? Why do you feel the need to knee-jerk response with comments on HuffPo, when we're talking about a clearly race-baiting headline on Fox News?

546 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:01:45am

re: #539 NJDhockeyfan

Hate has no particular home.

Yeah but now I'm looking at a Magical Balance Fairy thing. Fox Nation has won the Oscar for lunacy and bigotry for the past two years.

547 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:01:49am

re: #540 Obdicut

I was arrested for being stupid back in Junior high. Cop asked me for some ID. Being under 16, all I had was my school ID. Seeing that I was from a private school, he decided not to press charges and let my folks deal with it, "since I seemed like a good kid". Probably didn't hurt that I was as respectful as I could possibly manage.

I've always appreciated what he did for me, but at the same time I know that if my ID was an inner city school nearby and I was black, probably wouldn't have worked out that way.

548 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:02:19am

Expect the GOP weightwatchers to be spouting calorie counts from Obama's birthday soon.

549 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:04:26am

re: #548 Obdicut

Expect the GOP weightwatchers to be spouting calorie counts from Obama's birthday soon.

This is one of the things that royally pisses me off about the fearmongering right-wing bigots. Michelle Obama is an adult, and clearly a responsible one if her figure is anything to go by. Her having an occasional indulgence has absolutely no relation to her chosen cause of kids' nutrition.

550 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:04:49am

re: #535 Gus 802

Could you imagine? SWAT team mistakenly shoots and kills well know podiatrist, "John White", in front of his two children and wife, "Jane White"? Then again, people of high economic status are never under the watchful eye and scrutiny of law enforcement. Cops don't drive around rich neighborhoods looking to bust people for open containers. Cops don't stand in front of the local upscale restaurant looking for potential DUI arrests. They'll stand and wait in front of the local taqueria.

poor people and whole food hippies:

Youtube Video
551 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:05:02am

re: #545 Obdicut

No. What's your point, dude? Why do you feel the need to knee-jerk response with comments on HuffPo, when we're talking about a clearly race-baiting headline on Fox News?

...

Barack HUSSEIN Obama Parties With Chris Rock, Jay-Z and Whoopi BLACK PEOPLE!!11ty While Rome Burns -- FOXNATION

552 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:06:38am

re: #548 Obdicut

Expect the GOP weightwatchers to be spouting calorie counts from Obama's birthday soon.

I eagerly await the calorie counts from diet and fitness expert, Rush Limbaugh.

//

553 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:07:17am

re: #550 RogueOne

I stay away from Youtube comments but this was the first one, and it's funny:

End the war on milk! Ron Paul 2012!!!

554 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:08:51am

re: #545 Obdicut

No. What's your point, dude? Why do you feel the need to knee-jerk response with comments on HuffPo, when we're talking about a clearly race-baiting headline on Fox News?

Both are full of hateful commenters. Add the constant daily anti-Semitism posted and HuffPo if far ahead of any blog or news website.

555 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:08:58am

re: #548 Obdicut

Expect the GOP weightwatchers to be spouting calorie counts from Obama's birthday soon.

A yahoo from Yahoo comments:

Ole Brer Rabbit 5 hours ago
Grilling chicken and burgers at the white house??? I thought his dog faced wife said you are supposed to eat carrot sticks and apple wedges as burgers are bad for you???
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
556 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:09:04am

re: #552 Gus 802

I eagerly await the calorie counts from diet and fitness expert, Rush Limbaugh.

//

((((you may want to update your stereotype of him,,,,, he's lost something like 90 lbs )))))

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
((not a fan ,, just sayin)))

557 RogueOne  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:09:07am

Time to get some actual work accomplished. Enjoy the day people!

558 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:09:37am

re: #557 RogueOne

Time to get some actual work accomplished. Enjoy the day people!

Good,, what time will you be here!!

559 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:11:02am

heh

Albuquerque wants contracts he signed voided because he (says) he was drunk when he signed them!!

[Link: www.boston.com...]

{HIC}

560 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:11:11am

re: #551 Gus 802

Tom Hanks was there too. Tom Hanks is a bigger star than Rock or Jay-Z, but they decided not to list him. They mention Al Sharpton before any white politician.
re: #554 NJDhockeyfan

Both are full of hateful commenters. Add the constant daily anti-Semitism posted and HuffPo if far ahead of any blog or news website.

Nope. Sorry, not true. As you've been repeatedly told, Yahoo news takes the cake in antisemitism.

Furthermore, you have yet to deal with, or to comprehend, that we're talking about a Fox News headline. And that Fox News pulls shit just as racist on air. you are holding up HuffPo like a flimsy cardboard shield that says "Both sides are just as racist", and it's flat out, obviously, ant totally not true.

561 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:11:21am

re: #559 sattv4u2

heh

Albuquerque MAYOR wants contracts he signed voided because he (says) he was drunk when he signed them!!

[Link: www.boston.com...]

{HIC}

562 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:12:35am

re: #556 sattv4u2

(((you may want to update your stereotype of him,,, he's lost something like 90 lbs )))

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
((not a fan ,, just sayin)))

I know. He still should shut his formerly porked out face. His right I suppose.

563 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:15:04am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Holy.Crap.
That is some ugly, ugly stuff.

564 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:15:05am

K all

Gotta go do some fence mending
(literally)

565 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:18:23am

re: #543 thedopefishlives

No, I'm Fjordman./

(kidding - please don't arrest and/or interrogate me!)

If you're playing the role of one of the gladiators, may I have the role of Julius Caesar?

566 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:19:58am

re: #483 Rightwingconspirator

This shows our sharply diminished expectations. That jobs report gave a number barely enough to cover population growth. I'd like to see incentives to bring jobs back here. Especially mfg.

Easy!!1! Outlaw the unions. Increase the workers' reproduction rate. Eliminate minimum wage. Stop gay marriage (has nothing to do with mfg, but what the hell.)

567 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:20:23am

re: #560

Obdicut

re: #554 NJDhockeyfan

Nope. Sorry, not true. As you've been repeatedly told, Yahoo news takes the cake in antisemitism.

Furthermore, you have yet to deal with, or to comprehend, that we're talking about a Fox News headline. And that Fox News pulls shit just as racist on air. you are holding up HuffPo like a flimsy cardboard shield that says "Both sides are just as racist", and it's flat out, obviously, ant totally not true.

Racist remarks are ugly wherever they are found, IMO. Yes, Yahoo and Fox "take the cake" these days.

But I'm sure not comfortable dismissing remarks in other places just because you think they are rare.

568 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:21:25am

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Your daily dose of racism from Fox News readers...
Obama Parties With Chris Rock, Jay-Z and Whoopi While Rome Burns


etc

In some ways, I think the Internet has spawned a regression; Bigots are now using its anonymity to once again say things that they could get away with say 20 years ago. I wonder if racism has really diminished as much as I once though, or if it just went underground.

569 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:21:32am

re: #565 Dark_Falcon

My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.

570 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:21:33am

re: #567 reine.de.tout

Care to give a post # where Obi dismisses anything at Huffpo?

571 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:22:00am

re: #567 reine.de.tout

Racist remarks are ugly wherever they are found, IMO. Yes, Yahoo and Fox "take the cake" these days.

But I'm sure not comfortable dismissing remarks in other places just because you think they are rare.

Bingo. Hate is hate wherever it's found.

572 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:22:30am

re: #569 lawhawk

I have to admit, even though I'm not a huge Russell Crowe fan, that was one of the most epic moments I've ever seen from him. It sent a shiver down my spine.

573 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:23:28am

re: #568 Dark_Falcon

I think it went underground under protest, and that's what most of the compaining about political correctness has been about.

574 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:24:19am

re: #553 RogueOne

I stay away from Youtube comments but this was the first one, and it's funny:

End the war on milk! Ron Paul 2012!!!

I think its a reference to the agricultural subsidy scheme for milk, which is indeed disfunctional. Ending it is actually one of Ron Paul's sane ideas. Doesn't change the fact that he's crazy, of course.

575 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:24:41am

re: #570 McSpiff

Care to give a post # where Obi dismisses anything at Huffpo?

I'm not sure he actually did.
Notice I said I would be uncomfortable doing it.

But since you are demanding some sort of "proof" for an opinion you ASSUMED I have, I will say that Obdi's #560 comes close to looking like he's on the verge of dismissing it.

576 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:25:25am

re: #567 reine.de.tout

Racist remarks are ugly wherever they are found, IMO. Yes, Yahoo and Fox "take the cake" these days.

But I'm sure not comfortable dismissing remarks in other places just because you think they are rare.

I'm not dismissing a damn thing. I have no idea why you think I am.

I'm objecting to the knee-jerk use of Huffington Post as a talisman to ward off stories about racism on Fox-- especially when its comments made on a website being compared to actually headlines on Fox News.

We have people being openly racist about the president. The president. Not some stereotypical gang-banger who's living an easily-parodied lifestyle, but the president of the US. It's ugly.

The pledge that talked about how much better black kids off were back during slavery, that was hideously ugly-- and signed by candidates for president on the GOP side.

It has become much, much, much more okay to be openly racist since Obama has been in office, and it's depressing as hell.

577 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:25:49am

re: #573 jaunte

I think it went underground under protest, and that's what most of the compaining about political correctness has been about.

Well, PC did get out of control back in the 90's, but you make a good point.

578 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:26:25am

re: #575 reine.de.tout

I'm not sure he actually did.
Notice I said I would be uncomfortable doing it.

But since you are demanding some sort of "proof" for an opinion you ASSUMED I have, I will say that Obdi's #560 comes close to looking like he's on the verge of dismissing it.

When we're willing to shout down people who show something ugly that might be uncomfortable, because it doesn't rise to the level of something else that's ugly, we've lost any ability to see clearly. And that's not good.

579 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:27:11am

re: #576 Obdicut

I'm not dismissing a damn thing. I have no idea why you think I am.

I'm objecting to the knee-jerk use of Huffington Post as a talisman to ward off stories about racism on Fox-- especially when its comments made on a website being compared to actually headlines on Fox News.

We have people being openly racist about the president. The president. Not some stereotypical gang-banger who's living an easily-parodied lifestyle, but the president of the US. It's ugly.

The pledge that talked about how much better black kids off were back during slavery, that was hideously ugly-- and signed by candidates for president on the GOP side.

It has become much, much, much more okay to be openly racist since Obama has been in office, and it's depressing as hell.

Again, I didn't say you were dismissing anything. I said I would be uncomfortable doing it.

As for the rest:

re: #578 reine.de.tout

When we're willing to shout down people who show something ugly that might be uncomfortable, because it doesn't rise to the level of something else that's ugly, we've lost any ability to see clearly. And that's not good.

580 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:27:55am

re: #568 Dark_Falcon

In some ways, I think the Internet has spawned a regression; Bigots are now using its anonymity to once again say things that they could get away with say 20 years ago. I wonder if racism has really diminished as much as I once though, or if it just went underground.

I think it has diminished, especially among younger people. Fox's demographic is older so there's still a lot of latent racism.

581 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:28:25am

10 worst housing markets according to 24/7 Wall Street:
10. Oklahoma City, Ok.
9. St. Louis, Mo.
8. Kansas City, Mo. (tie)
8. Detroit, Mich. (tie)
6. Dayton, Ohio
5. Baton Rouge, La.
4. Atlanta, Ga.
3. Memphis, Tenn.
2. Indianapolis, Ind.
1. Tucson, Ariz.

Case Schiller has found that a number of other metro areas have shown a modest improvement, but several are still expected to see significant corrections (10%+).

582 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:28:30am

re: #576 Obdicut

I'm not dismissing a damn thing. I have no idea why you think I am.

I'm objecting to the knee-jerk use of Huffington Post as a talisman to ward off stories about racism on Fox-- especially when its comments made on a website being compared to actually headlines on Fox News.

We have people being openly racist about the president. The president. Not some stereotypical gang-banger who's living an easily-parodied lifestyle, but the president of the US. It's ugly.

The pledge that talked about how much better black kids off were back during slavery, that was hideously ugly-- and signed by candidates for president on the GOP side.

It has become much, much, much more okay to be openly racist since Obama has been in office, and it's depressing as hell.

And yes, we have people being openly racist about the President and his wife.

And people being openly racist about black politicians on the other side? That's acceptable because the person isn't the President? What? I found it ugly.

583 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:29:06am

That's right Killgore! So the next time you bring up Fox Nation's bullshit just remember that Huffington Post is just as bad!

//

584 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:29:34am

re: #579 reine.de.tout

How am I shouting anyone down, Reine? I get annoyed by the automatic citation of huffpo as a rejoinder to the large tide of racism in right-wing media. I express that.

How is that wrong?

585 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:29:36am

re: #575 reine.de.tout

I'm not sure he actually did.
Notice I said I would be uncomfortable doing it.

But since you are demanding some sort of "proof" for an opinion you ASSUMED I have, I will say that Obdi's #560 comes close to looking like he's on the verge of dismissing it.

Alright, this gets an upding just for the hilarity. I'd also be very uncomfortable if Obi robbed liquor stores but I'm not going to post that out of the blue. A little intellectual honesty pa-leaze.

Obi never came anywhere close to dismissing anything at HuffPo.

586 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:30:28am

re: #582 reine.de.tout

And yes, we have people being openly racist about the President and his wife.

And people being openly racist about black politicians on the other side? That's acceptable because the person isn't the President? What? I found it ugly.

You're seriously, actually, literally asking me if I think it's acceptable to be racist towards GOP politicians? Is that literally a question you're asking me?

587 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:31:00am

re: #578 reine.de.tout

When we're willing to shout down people who show something ugly that might be uncomfortable, because it doesn't rise to the level of something else that's ugly, we've lost any ability to see clearly. And that's not good.

Its very true, and I'm glad to see you call NJD out for trying to divert attention from the racist headline at fox. Right?

588 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:32:08am

re: #583 Gus 802

That's right Killgore! So the next time you bring up Fox Nation's bullshit just remember that Huffington Post is just as bad!

//

If they're not policing the BS that's coming through the megaphone they provide, HP is bad enough. I know they're much larger than LGF, but Charles shut down racist enabling, and so can they.

589 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:32:56am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

I don't see why people have unmoderated forums at all. Or barely-moderated ones. It inevitably just gets stinking ugly.

590 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:32:58am

re: #585 McSpiff

Alright, this gets an upding just for the hilarity. I'd also be very uncomfortable if Obi robbed liquor stores but I'm not going to post that out of the blue. A little intellectual honesty pa-leaze.

Obi never came anywhere close to dismissing anything at HuffPo.

No he didn't. I didn't say he did. I said I would be uncomfortable doing it. And it wasn't out of the blue, it followed along a previous conversation - or am I no longer allowed to engage in a conversation and express an opinion, unless it's to support the idea du jour? WTF?

re: #584 Obdicut

How am I shouting anyone down, Reine? I get annoyed by the automatic citation of huffpo as a rejoinder to the large tide of racism in right-wing media. I express that.

How is that wrong?

And I get annoyed at the automatic let's ignore what goes on elsewhere because it's NOT AS BAD. As far as I'm concerned, it's ugly wherever it's found. If NJD wants to point it out as a bit of perspective that neither "side" is 100% pure, what's it to ya? Or is that thought just a bit uncomfortable?

591 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:33:21am

Meanwhile this is much uglier...Assad is still killing his people...

Syrians 'slaughtered like sheep'

YRIA deteriorated further into violence yesterday, with a resident of the worst-hit city Hama saying people were being "slaughtered like sheep".

The intensifying violence in Hama and other Syrian cities prompted the US and Russia to warn that the chaos must end.

In the strongest US statement since the uprising began in March, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said President Bashar al-Assad had "lost his legitimacy to govern".

Announcing a toughening of sanctions against Syria, she said the Assad regime was responsible for the deaths of more than 2000 people during the uprising.

Mrs Clinton said "the incredible tragedy" unfolding on the streets was "numbing".

"The shooting death of a one-year-old boy by the Syrian regime's tanks and troops is a very stark example of what is going on," she said.

..."People are being slaughtered like sheep while walking in the street," a man told news agency Associated Press. "I saw with my own eyes one young boy on a motorcycle who was carrying vegetables being run over by a tank."

Another resident was quoted as saying people were being forced to bury their dead in their gardens or roadside pits "because we fear that if we go to the cemetery we will end up buried along with them".

Residents reported plain-clothes men, believed to be working with soldiers, wandering the streets shooting randomly.

Images of men throwing bodies off a bridge as they chanted "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is great" -- were posted on the internet but it was impossible to verify whether it was protesters throwing security forces or security forces throwing protesters. Other videos taken with mobile phones showed bodies lying on the streets.

Syrian tanks, soldiers and snipers have fired throughout the week on Hama, the city where up to 20,000 people were slaughtered in 1982 by the regime of Hafez al-Assad, the President's father.

The US made its strongest call yet for Mr Assad to leave office.

Fuck, that horrendous!

592 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:34:01am

And besides which, NJD was always a bit aggravating, even before the Great Flouncing.

593 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:34:30am

re: #583 Gus 802

That's right Killgore! So the next time you bring up Fox Nation's bullshit just remember that Huffington Post is just as bad!

//

Oh, stuff it.
Nobody's saying that.

594 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:35:26am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

If they're not policing the BS that's coming through the megaphone they provide, HP is bad enough. I know they're much larger than LGF, but Charles shut down racist enabling, and so can they.

They won't because race bating sells at Fox Nation. Race bating sells at Fox News; with Rush Limbaugh; with Glenn Beck; etc. No amount of moral equivalency will change that. Fox Nation has no equal in this regard.

595 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:36:01am

re: #590 reine.de.tout

No he didn't. I didn't say he did. I said I would be uncomfortable doing it. And it wasn't out of the blue, it followed along a previous conversation - or am I no longer allowed to engage in a conversation and express an opinion, unless it's to support the idea du jour? WTF?

re: #584 Obdicut

And I get annoyed at the automatic let's ignore what goes on elsewhere because it's NOT AS BAD. As far as I'm concerned, it's ugly wherever it's found. If NJD wants to point it out as a bit of perspective that neither "side" is 100% pure, what's it to ya? Or is that thought just a bit uncomfortable?

You can say whatever you want. But if you're going to express the opinion that another poster is dismissive of racism (which I guess you're now admitting? You're being extremely obtuse today) you better be willing to back it up.

596 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:36:49am

re: #590 reine.de.tout

And I get annoyed at the automatic let's ignore what goes on elsewhere because it's NOT AS BAD.

And where did I say to ignore it, please?

If NJD wants to point it out as a bit of perspective that neither "side" is 100% pure, what's it to ya?

There's isn't a claim that either side is 100% pure. Nobody thinks that. Nobody ever suggests that. I don't find that a bit of perspective. I find it an attempt at false equivalence, and I call it such.

That's what it is to me.

Or is that thought just a bit uncomfortable?

Who are you talking to, Reine? Is it some stereotype, or is it me? I'm happy to acknowledge the racism on the Democratic side, or the 'liberal' side. I've talked about it at length, about the deep racism of Boston, an entrenched liberal/Democratic city.

So why on earth would you think I'd be 'uncomfortable' with being shown racism stemming from the 'left'?

597 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:37:20am

re: #587 McSpiff

Its very true, and I'm glad to see you call NJD out for trying to divert attention from the racist headline at fox. Right?

I quite clearly commented that the stuff that Killgore posted was very ugly.
WTF are you talking about? Have you lost the ability to comprehend what you see?

598 jaunte  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:37:38am

re: #588 Decatur Deb

If they're not policing the BS that's coming through the megaphone they provide, HP is bad enough. I know they're much larger than LGF, but Charles shut down racist enabling, and so can they.

Looks like they don't want to pay for that.[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

599 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:37:59am

re: #586 Obdicut

You're seriously, actually, literally asking me if I think it's acceptable to be racist towards GOP politicians? Is that literally a question you're asking me?

Um, yep.

600 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:38:20am

re: #594 Gus 802

They won't because race bating sells at Fox Nation. Race bating sells at Fox News; with Rush Limbaugh; with Glenn Beck; etc. No amount of moral equivalency will change that. Fox Nation has no equal in this regard.

I've no expectations of Fox anything, but HuffPo is supposed to be on the side of sweetness and light (Jon Stewart's sane side). It bothers me a lot more when my side falls into the role of 'uneducator'.

601 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:39:05am

re: #599 reine.de.tout

Um, yep.

Wow, you are posting some truly hurtful stuff today. I hope you take a moment to reflect on this.

602 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:39:38am

re: #596 Obdicut

And where did I say to ignore it, please?

There's isn't a claim that either side is 100% pure. Nobody thinks that. Nobody ever suggests that. I don't find that a bit of perspective. I find it an attempt at false equivalence, and I call it such.

That's what it is to me.

Who are you talking to, Reine? Is it some stereotype, or is it me? I'm happy to acknowledge the racism on the Democratic side, or the 'liberal' side. I've talked about it at length, about the deep racism of Boston, an entrenched liberal/Democratic city.

So why on earth would you think I'd be 'uncomfortable' with being shown racism stemming from the 'left'?

And I have always acknowledged the ugly things about the right, about the tea parties, about the Catholic Church, other things dear to me.

It does not mean I'm going to get pissed off at somebody for pointing out something else.

603 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:40:01am

Gotta run. Work is calling!

604 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:40:10am

re: #599 reine.de.tout

Um, yep.

Wow. I would have thought you knew me better than that, by now.

Guess I was wrong.

No, Reine, I don't think racism is acceptable when it's aimed at GOP politicians. Nothing I've said in any way should have made it appear that I did think it was acceptable, but for whatever reason, you somehow thought I'd be okay with racism. Which is one of the harsher accusations I can imagine you making.

Fucking great.

I'm logging off now.

605 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:40:28am

re: #602 reine.de.tout

And I have always acknowledged the ugly things about the right, about the tea parties, about the Catholic Church, other things dear to me.

It does not mean I'm going to get pissed off at somebody for pointing out something else.

...the Tea Party is dear to you? I think I see the problem...

606 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:41:09am

re: #601 McSpiff

Wow, you are posting some truly hurtful stuff today. I hope you take a moment to reflect on this.

I suggest YOU take a moment to reflect on why you and others are so damned PISSED OFF with me right now.

I've never denied the ugliness of what's going on in the right-wing right now.
Or the ugliness of what goes on in the Catholic Church.

Because I recognize the ugliness that lies elsewhere, everybody's pissed off.
WHAT THE FUCK?

607 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:41:21am

re: #604 Obdicut

Wow. I would have thought you knew me better than that, by now.

Guess I was wrong.

No, Reine, I don't think racism is acceptable when it's aimed at GOP politicians. Nothing I've said in any way should have made it appear that I did think it was acceptable, but for whatever reason, you somehow thought I'd be okay with racism. Which is one of the harsher accusations I can imagine you making.

Fucking great.

I'm logging off now.

Same here

608 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:42:10am

re: #593 reine.de.tout

Oh, stuff it.
Nobody's saying that.

Stuff it? You do realize I added the sarcasm tag which indicates I don't necessarily believe that to be entirely accurate. But it does seem to come across that way. KT brought up Fox Nation and automatically out comes the same old tired HuffPo Magical Balance Fairy.

609 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:42:41am

re: #605 McSpiff

...the Tea Party is dear to you? I think I see the problem...

OH, STUFF IT!

You are now making shit up

610 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:43:03am

re: #606 reine.de.tout

Last post. Stop playing the victim card. You've pissed everyone off because you've essentially accused a long time poster and a friend of mine of either a) being racist or b) supporting racists when the victim of the attack disagrees with his politics. With absolutely no evidence. That's so far beyond the line of acceptable discourse its not even funny.

611 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:43:37am

Let me try to sort this out for good and for all:

The Huffington Post (HuffPo) has serious problems as a site. It's posters and commentators sometimes indulge in biased speech which runs down people they don't like unfairly. When it comes to Israel, this often spills over into outright bigotry, and on occasions its commentators will say ugly things on other issues. It is better than it was pre-2008, but it still has too many haters.

Fox Nation (FN) is much worse though. HuffPo kicked out many of its haters, while FN has actively courted its own crop of haters. They actively post headlines that play to the haters bigotry and then fail to delete openly racist comments. FN also does this more often and on a much wider range of issues than HuffPo.

Thus, while HuffPo has serious problems, those problems are not equivalent to those of FN and cannot be used to counter FN's bad actions. Just to close things out I'll use the words of Fox News star Bill O'Reilly: "You cannot excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior."

612 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:43:50am

re: #609 reine.de.tout

OH, STUFF IT!

You are now making shit up

Maybe you shouldn't post shit you don't meant then. It seems to be getting you into trouble.

613 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:45:00am

re: #610 McSpiff

Last post. Stop playing the victim card. You've pissed everyone off because you've essentially accused a long time poster and a friend of mine of either a) being racist or b) supporting racists when the victim of the attack disagrees with his politics. With absolutely no evidence. That's so far beyond the line of acceptable discourse its not even funny.

I've accused no one of anything.

What's happened in this thread is that I point out that the liberal bent of most of the posters here these days has resulted in a lot of people getting very comfortable in their niche. And unwilling to acknowledge anything else without pulling out the "magical balance fairy" idiocy.

Take a minute and think about it. Get out of your comfort zone for gee, a minute.

614 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:45:19am

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Let me try to sort this out for good and for all:

The Huffington Post (HuffPo) has serious problems as a site. It's posters and commentators sometimes indulge in biased speech which runs down people they don't like unfairly. When it comes to Israel, this often spills over into outright bigotry, and on occasions its commentators will say ugly things on other issues. It is better than it was pre-2008, but it still has too many haters.

Fox Nation (FN) is much worse though. HuffPo kicked out many of its haters, while FN has actively courted its own crop of haters. They actively post headlines that play to the haters bigotry and then fail to delete openly racist comments. FN also does this more often and on a much wider range of issues than HuffPo.

Thus, while HuffPo has serious problems, those problems are not equivalent to those of FN and cannot be used to counter FN's bad actions. Just to close things out I'll use the words of Fox News star Bill O'Reilly: "You cannot excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior."

Updinged, favourited, etc. Put this in a page so I can upding again. You absolutely nailed it with this D_F. Well done.

615 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:45:39am

And I am NO VICTIM, McSpiff.

No more than you are with the questions I've asked here.

616 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:45:44am

I sense much anger.
[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

617 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:46:10am

Normally cool people are backing themselves into statements that are harsher than they intend. Don't make me pull out a boob pun.

618 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:46:31am

re: #613 reine.de.tout

I've accused no one of anything.

What's happened in this thread is that I point out that the liberal bent of most of the posters here these days has resulted in a lot of people getting very comfortable in their niche. And unwilling to acknowledge anything else without pulling out the "magical balance fairy" idiocy.

Take a minute and think about it. Get out of your comfort zone for gee, a minute.

I haven't been following but I'm not getting why they're freaking out on you. Try not to let it bother you.

619 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:46:31am

re: #613 reine.de.tout

You may have intend to do that, but I asure you did not. Or you did in it in a very ham fisted way.

620 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:46:33am

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Let me try to sort this out for good and for all:

The Huffington Post (HuffPo) has serious problems as a site. It's posters and commentators sometimes indulge in biased speech which runs down people they don't like unfairly. When it comes to Israel, this often spills over into outright bigotry, and on occasions its commentators will say ugly things on other issues. It is better than it was pre-2008, but it still has too many haters.

Fox Nation (FN) is much worse though. HuffPo kicked out many of its haters, while FN has actively courted its own crop of haters. They actively post headlines that play to the haters bigotry and then fail to delete openly racist comments. FN also does this more often and on a much wider range of issues than HuffPo.

Thus, while HuffPo has serious problems, those problems are not equivalent to those of FN and cannot be used to counter FN's bad actions. Just to close things out I'll use the words of Fox News star Bill O'Reilly: "You cannot excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior."

Dark Falcon comes through! He shoots! He scores! ;)

621 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:46:46am

re: #612 McSpiff

Maybe you shouldn't post shit you don't meant then. It seems to be getting you into trouble.

The tea party has never been dear to me; other things are. If you bothered to pay attention, you would have seen that, and maybe we could engage in a conversation instead of you making shit up about what is or is not dear to me.

622 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:47:12am

re: #619 McSpiff

You may have intend to do that, but I asure you did not. Or you did in it in a very ham fisted way.

Oh, and Obdi's post to NJD wasn't ham-fisted?
LOLOLOL.

623 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:48:19am

re: #618 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following but I'm not getting why they're freaking out on you. Try not to let it bother you.

OK. If you say so; YOU, I pay very close attention to.

624 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:50:22am

re: #610 McSpiff

Last post. Stop playing the victim card. You've pissed everyone off because you've essentially accused a long time poster and a friend of mine of either a) being racist or b) supporting racists when the victim of the attack disagrees with his politics. With absolutely no evidence. That's so far beyond the line of acceptable discourse its not even funny.

I've pissed off everyone, it seems to me, because I DARED to suggest that we should recognize ugliness wherever it exists. And everybody getting immediately pissed off with me suggests to me that not everyone sees it that way.

625 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:52:04am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

I've pissed off everyone, it seems to me, because I DARED to suggest that we should recognize ugliness wherever it exists. And everybody getting immediately pissed off with me suggests to me that not everyone sees it that way.

I'm not pissed off with you. Even after you told me to "stuff it". ;)

626 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:53:04am

re: #614 McSpiff

Updinged, favourited, etc. Put this in a page so I can upding again. You absolutely nailed it with this D_F. Well done.

Your wish is my command.

627 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:53:11am

Image: rofl.jpg

628 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:53:35am

Internet.

629 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:53:36am

re: #625 Gus 802

I'm not pissed off with you. Even after you told me to "stuff it". ;)

:-)

thank you kindly.
I was not much in the mood for sarc, and apologies to you for the 'stuff it'.

630 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:54:40am

re: #627 Varek Raith

Image: rofl.jpg

Well, it is Shark Week.

631 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:54:43am

re: #624 reine.de.tout

I've pissed off everyone, it seems to me, because I DARED to suggest that we should recognize ugliness wherever it exists. And everybody getting immediately pissed off with me suggests to me that not everyone sees it that way.

Come right out and say it Reine, you've come this far. How do you think I see it then?

632 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:54:54am

DJIA 11,228.30 -155.38 -1.36%
NASDAQ 2,485.52 -70.87 -2.77%
S&P 500 1,177.07 -23.00 -1.92%

633 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:55:27am

re: #541 Killgore Trout

Breivik's political idol «Fjordman» emerges from anonymity

From there:

Image: 1312499868781_625.jpg

I wonder if that's what Breivik looked like before plastic surgery. And steroids.

634 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:55:31am

re: #632 lawhawk

DJIA 11,228.30 -155.38 -1.36%
NASDAQ 2,485.52 -70.87 -2.77%
S&P 500 1,177.07 -23.00 -1.92%

Somebody get people to calm down, please!

635 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:56:16am

re: #632 lawhawk

DJIA 11,228.30 -155.38 -1.36%
NASDAQ 2,485.52 -70.87 -2.77%
S&P 500 1,177.07 -23.00 -1.92%

Ugh, here we go again.

636 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:57:36am

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela

637 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:58:02am

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I'm all out of Kevin Bacon....

Youtube Video
638 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:58:27am

re: #632 lawhawk

-243.32

639 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:58:53am

re: #632 lawhawk

DJIA 11,228.30 -155.38 -1.36%
NASDAQ 2,485.52 -70.87 -2.77%
S&P 500 1,177.07 -23.00 -1.92%

Focusing like a laser beam on jobs, jobs, jobs.

640 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:59:12am

re: #634 Dark_Falcon

Somebody get people to calm down, please!

If Varek could hack the stock exchange monitors and have them display a live feed from zooborns, I'm sure he would ;)

641 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 8:59:51am

re: #636 negativ

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela

OMG. That's so funny I even snorted while laughing. I know it's not really funny but still...

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela!

642 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:00:49am

re: #640 publicityStunted

If Varek could hack the stock exchange monitors and have them display a live feed from zooborns, I'm sure he would ;)

OR PENGUINS!
Image: 11599,xcitefun-1p858w.jpg
Yeah, I can float. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?!

643 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:01:00am

re: #631 McSpiff

Come right out and say it Reine, you've come this far. How do you think I see it then?

?
I don't know because we haven't talked about it, with all the screaming at me.

I suspect you don't like that sort of ugliness anywhere you see it.
I suspect Obdi is the same.

I also suspect that some folks here have gotten so very comfortable in the "right wing always bad, left wing always great" niche, that any suggestion that one take a hard look at anything untoward from either side is uncomfortable enough that people automatically pull out the 'magical balance fairy" card; often it's warranted, but sometimes it just isn't.

And that's what I think.

644 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:01:18am

re: #641 Gus 802

OMG. That's so funny I even snorted while laughing. I know it's not really funny but still...

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela!

And I know, I know. I'm not exactly a big fan of Oliver Willis either. Given his history with (against) Charles.

645 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:02:16am

re: #641 Gus 802

OMG. That's so funny I even snorted while laughing. I know it's not really funny but still...

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela!


I hate those damn things.

Youtube Video
646 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:02:41am

re: #643 reine.de.tout

I think it's more about the particular poster and his m.o. than anything else.

647 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:04:01am

re: #646 Sergey Romanov

I think it's more about the particular poster and his m.o. than anything else.

Perhaps.

But I thought it was interesting, the immediate pile-on when I tried to suggest that we should take a hard look at ugliness wherever it's found.

648 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:04:07am

re: #645 Varek Raith

I hate those damn things.

[Video]

Especially if some little kid gets a hold of one. Then you get to hear it all day long. Sort of like the proverbial child that never stops playing those toy organs. STOP IT AT ONCE! :)

649 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:06:21am

Here it is. Posted about 1/2 hour ago at Fox Nation...

Obama's Hip-Hop BBQ Didn't Create Jobs - President Obama - Fox Nation

POLITICO EXCLUSIVE -- The President’s private 50th birthday bash, not listed on his public schedule: His gift to the press corps was a travel/photo lid shortly after 4 p.m., prompting what pooler Julie Mason called “general cheering in WH workspace.” An hour later, the party started…

Of course Politico didn't word it this way. Fox Nations is taking Drudge like re-writing of titles to extremes. They're race bating. Big time.

650 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:07:29am

re: #647 reine.de.tout

Perhaps.

But I thought it was interesting, the immediate pile-on when I tried to suggest that we should take a hard look at ugliness wherever it's found.

I agree with this approach in general. But in context certain actions seem more like trolling. Not saying they are, but I guess it seemed so to the people here. So I don't know whether the pile-on was about this approach.

651 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:08:36am

Morning all!

Puppy let me sleep all night!!!!

What a good boy!

How are you?

652 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:09:09am

re: #649 Gus 802
We know that the GOP has been all about jobs since the last election...

//

653 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:09:50am

just go there and I gotta go

Have a great day all!

654 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:09:58am

re: #650 Sergey Romanov

I agree with this approach in general. But in context certain actions seem more like trolling. Not saying they are, but I guess it seemed so to the people here. So I don't know whether the pile-on was about this approach.

I understand.
NJD can be quite aggravating.
And he was thus even before the Great Flouncing. Perhaps I'm just more accustomed to his technique and ignore it?

We do have a comfort zone here - sometimes I think it needs shaking up a bit.

655 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:11:57am

re: #654 reine.de.tout

I understand.
NJD can be quite aggravating.
And he was thus even before the Great Flouncing. Perhaps I'm just more accustomed to his technique and ignore it?

We do have a comfort zone here - sometimes I think it needs shaking up a bit.

I agree. BTW I do see mbf here from us libs sometimes, that usually goes without notice :)

656 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:12:53am

re: #559 sattv4u2

heh

Albuquerque wants contracts he signed voided because he (says) he was drunk when he signed them!!

[Link: www.boston.com...]

{HIC}

Sunland Park mayor, not Albuquerque. (I didn't think Albuquerque was that bad!)

657 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:13:25am

So, we just finished the FAA tax authorization extension debacle. Will we have a similar debacle when the gas tax authorization runs out in September?

With Congress in its current composition? Anything goes - and the effects will be just as bad. Infrastructure projects will stop, people will be furloughed, and all because Congress can't agree to extend a tax that funds 28% of road and transit projects nationwide.

658 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:13:54am

re: #636 negativ

Fox Nation trades in dog whistle for vuvuzela

Assholes. Chris Rock and Charles Barkley are both smart, funny, and decent men. What sane person wouldn't want have them at his party. Who'd you rather have: "Sir Charles" Barkley or Pamela "Shrieking Harpy" Geller?

659 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:14:44am

re: #655 Sergey Romanov

I agree. BTW I do see mbf here from us libs sometimes, that usually goes without notice :)

hehe.
Yep, sometimes things need shaking up.
And about twice a year I'm in the mood to try it.

660 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:15:49am

re: #659 reine.de.tout

hehe.
Yep, sometimes things need shaking up.
And about twice a year I'm in the mood to try it.

{{reine}} ;)

661 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:16:36am

re: #649 Gus 802

Here it is. Posted about 1/2 hour ago at Fox Nation...

Obama's Hip-Hop BBQ Didn't Create Jobs - President Obama - Fox Nation

Of course Politico didn't word it this way. Fox Nations is taking Drudge like re-writing of titles to extremes. They're race bating. Big time.

Yes, but the difference is that Politico is a site that actively seeks to inform its readers about what's going on in politics, while Fox Nation has become a place where assholes and bigots go to get their freak on.

662 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:17:07am

re: #658 Dark_Falcon

Assholes. Chris Rock and Charles Barkley are both smart, funny, and decent men. What sane person wouldn't want have them at his party. Who'd you rather have: "Sir Charles" Barkley or Pamela "Shrieking Harpy" Geller?

And what president doesn't celebrate his birthday? Did they expect him to sit in the White House quietly? The whole notion is absurd. It's outrageous outrage over a WH event and for the president's birthday. They've lost their freaking minds over there. It's not even a debate. Obama had his birthday bash and he invited who ever he felt like inviting. They need to get over it.

663 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:18:40am

re: #662 Gus 802

And what president doesn't celebrate his birthday? Did they expect him to sit in the White House quietly? The whole notion is absurd. It's outrageous outrage over a WH event and for the president's birthday. They've lost their freaking minds over there. It's not even a debate. Obama had his birthday bash and he invited who ever he felt like inviting. They need to get over it.

Quite Concur.

664 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:18:53am

re: #662 Gus 802

And what president doesn't celebrate his birthday? Did they expect him to sit in the White House quietly? The whole notion is absurd. It's outrageous outrage over a WH event and for the president's birthday. They've lost their freaking minds over there. It's not even a debate. Obama had his birthday bash and he invited who ever he felt like inviting. They need to get over it.

The whole "if there's nothing of substance we can figure out to complain about, let's make something up" syndrome.

At home my brothers and I called this the "Cecil Syndrome". Cecil being my dad, and this sort of thing being a speciality of his.

665 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:21:09am

re: #643 reine.de.tout

?
I don't know because we haven't talked about it, with all the screaming at me.

I suspect you don't like that sort of ugliness anywhere you see it.
I suspect Obdi is the same.

I also suspect that some folks here have gotten so very comfortable in the "right wing always bad, left wing always great" niche, that any suggestion that one take a hard look at anything untoward from either side is uncomfortable enough that people automatically pull out the 'magical balance fairy" card; often it's warranted, but sometimes it just isn't.

And that's what I think.

Alright, well here's my view of what happened. People are posting racist headlines from Fox Nation. From today. These are stories officially posted by Fox Nation. Instead of saying what you did, and what many, many other posters did and say "Shit, that's some damn ugly stuff", NJD responded with "that's almost as bad as HuffPo". That's not even playing the equivalence card. That's the "other side is worse" card.

Obi simply asked NJD to produce a racist headline from HuffPo. If they're worse than Fox nation, that should be easy right? He can't do it. He posts some pretty nasty user comments from 4 months ago.

And those comments were nasty, racist and vile. You can argue that user comments that are left unmoderated are just as bad as an officially posted story, that's up to you. But I won't accept that they are worse, or that NJD wasn't trying to weasle his way out of his original comment.

So don't come crying that the left won't acknowledge its racists when the original, right wing commentor was attempting to say that the left was worse. Its not abusing the magical balance fairy card to ask for prof of accusations against a specific publication and its not wrong to point that the evidence presented doesn't support the original claim.

It also doesn't mean that myself or Obi in anyway accepted or supported those comments. It simply means that we don't believe that those comments from 4 months ago prove NJD point.

D_F said it best with his post about why the problems with FN today are not equivalent to those of HuffPo today. I won't add to what he said other then to agree with him.

I am absolutely accepting of different point of views. I accept that you and NJD come from a more traditional right wing perspective than myself and many others here. But the other side of challenging a widely held belief is that you better be willing to defend your challenge, which is not what I saw either NJD or you do.

Obi pointing that out does not make him in anyway supportive of those comments. He simply pointed out they didn't prove NJD's point. You seemed far too willing to mistake that for support, even after Obi repeately explained this to you.

You seemed far too willing to assume that other posters were overlooking their own political blind spots, rather than the fact that someone you agree with made a really, really poor argument that follows his pattern of "make outlandish claim, post evidence of left-wing hate not directly relevant to original claim, claim support for evidence when relevancy is questioned".

It was a trap that Obi stupidly stepped in. But just because it questions the left doesn't make it valid or particularly cunning. It was the same old shit we've dealt with 1000 times.

666 Gus  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:21:49am

Anyway. I need to conserve my dwindling, and lousy, 5G limit.

Back later.

667 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:23:59am

re: #655 Sergey Romanov

MBF?

668 JJ42  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:24:24am

re: #541 Killgore Trout

Oslogin's been interviewed a couple of times on national radio already, in connection with the surfacing of Fjordman. I think I've heard him on pretty much every radio newscast today. His main point is that Fjordman is also a classic conspiracy theorist, in addition to being an anti-islamist.

669 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:24:39am

re: #667 ProLifeLiberal

MBF?

I'll guess magical balance fairy.

670 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:24:42am

re: #667 ProLifeLiberal

?

671 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:25:11am

re: #665 McSpiff

Oh, again, stop it with the "come crying" business. I wasn't crying over anything. Read and comprehend, wouldja?


From my perspective, some posters seemed far too willing to make some assumptions about ME, without a question of clarification first. Including you.

Ponder it.

672 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:25:57am

re: #667 ProLifeLiberal

MBF?

Major Bull Farts?

673 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:26:42am

re: #672 reine.de.tout

Major Bull Farts?

Or Minor ones. :p

674 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:27:04am

re: #671 reine.de.tout

Oh, again, stop it with the "come crying" business. I wasn't crying over anything. Read and comprehend, wouldja?

From my perspective, some posters seemed far too willing to make some assumptions about ME, without a question of clarification first. Including you.

Ponder it.

Glad you missed the entire point of my post. Well, I tried.

675 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:28:16am

re: #674 McSpiff

Glad you missed the entire point of my post. Well, I tried.

And you are so intent on telling me why I was wrong, you've missed the point of everything I've tried to say. Well, I tried.

676 recusancy  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:28:38am

I really wish more people listened to those with a history of being right.

677 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:28:47am

Went to mend a fence (literally) now I come in here and may have to help mend one (figuratively)

I just can't leave you kids alone, can I!!

:)

C'mom,,,, group hug

KUMBAYAA!!!

678 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:29:04am

re: #667 ProLifeLiberal

MBF?

Magical Balance Fairy.

And I need to get going. Feel free to use my HuffPo vs. Fox Nation page to make any comments, and feel free to link to it.

679 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:29:09am

Ok time for make up sex

680 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:29:39am

re: #668 JJ42

Oslogin's been interviewed a couple of times on national radio already, in connection with the surfacing of Fjordman. I think I've heard him on pretty much every radio newscast today. His main point is that Fjordman is also a classic conspiracy theorist, in addition to being an anti-islamist.

Good for Oslogin. The work he's done in the past is paying off.

681 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:29:44am

re: #679 Shropshire_Slasher

Ok time for make up sex

I prefer actual sex to sex thats made up!

682 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:29:52am

re: #677 sattv4u2

Went to mend a fence (literally) now I come in here and may have to help mend one (figuratively)

I just can't leave you kids alone, can I!!

:)

C'mom,,, group hug

KUMBAYAA!!!

aww

683 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:30:03am

re: #677 sattv4u2

Went to mend a fence (literally) now I come in here and may have to help mend one (figuratively)

I just can't leave you kids alone, can I!!

:)

C'mom,,, group hug

KUMBAYAA!!!

Sit in a circle and sing!

It's one of my twice-yearly rants.

684 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:30:20am

re: #679 Shropshire_Slasher

Ok time for make up sex

Group?

685 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:31:08am

re: #684 Sergey Romanov
ok, already nekkid!

686 AK-47%  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:31:14am

re: #681 sattv4u2

I prefer actual sex to sex thats made up!

I always put on makeup before sex...

687 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:31:15am

re: #683 reine.de.tout

Sit in a circle and sing!

It's one of my twice-yearly rants.

I'll bet if i asked hubby he would up the count!!

688 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:31:59am

i'm done

689 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:32:20am

So how did we get from Fox News to a (no doubt Satanic) LGF orgy? //

690 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:32:41am

re: #688 Shropshire_Slasher

i'm done

what took you so long

I've already had two cigarettes!

691 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:32:54am

re: #689 Sergey Romanov

So how did we get from Fox News to a (no doubt Satanic) LGF orgy? //

MBF!

692 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:34:30am

re: #687 sattv4u2

I'll bet if i asked hubby he would up the count!!

hehe.
You know he's gone so much (2 weeks, then home 2 weeks). We've been married 20 years, but we've really only spent 10 years together, LOL.

I try really really hard to be good when he's home. I can't imagine him being gone 2 weeks and coming home to a lot of anger and strife. I don't even have a honey-do list ready when he gets home; if I need something, I wait a few days 'til he gets settled and then ask if he can do this or that.

I try. I don't always succeed; but I do try.

694 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:36:15am

re: #692 reine.de.tout

hehe.
You know he's gone so much (2 weeks, then home 2 weeks). We've been married 20 years, but we've really only spent 10 years together, LOL.

I try really really hard to be good when he's home. I can't imagine him being gone 2 weeks and coming home to a lot of anger and strife. I don't even have a honey-do list ready when he gets home; if I need something, I wait a few days 'til he gets settled and then ask if he can do this or that.

I try. I don't always succeed; but I do try.

You Da Betsestist

695 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:36:36am

re: #662 Gus 802

And what president doesn't celebrate his birthday? Did they expect him to sit in the White House quietly? The whole notion is absurd. It's outrageous outrage over a WH event and for the president's birthday. They've lost their freaking minds over there. It's not even a debate. Obama had his birthday bash and he invited who ever he felt like inviting. They need to get over it.

Birthday is a major crisis, if you are of the mentality that makes political hay over the calorie count in the FLOTUS' freakn' hamburger.

696 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:37:22am

re: #693 Sergey Romanov

Make-up sex.

hahahahaha!
Oh, my. Love it.

697 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:38:43am

Leavin'

Play nice

698 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:38:58am

re: #689 Sergey Romanov

So how did we get from Fox News to a (no doubt Satanic) LGF orgy? //

Magical Boob Fairy.

699 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:39:06am

Bbl.

700 blueraven  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:39:35am

re: #556 sattv4u2

(((you may want to update your stereotype of him,,, he's lost something like 90 lbs )))

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
((not a fan ,, just sayin)))

That was from 2 years ago. He is a yoyo-er. I think he has gained a lot of that weight back.

701 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:40:47am

re: #700 blueraven

That was from 2 years ago. He is a yoyo-er. I think he has gained a lot of that weight back.

Which is totally expected with the kind of diet described there.

702 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:42:13am

re: #698 Decatur Deb

Magical Boob Fairy.

He visits Hollywood a lot.

703 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:46:43am

re: #695 Decatur Deb

Birthday is a major crisis, if you are of the mentality that makes political hay over the calorie count in the FLOTUS' freakn' hamburger.

It's his 50th birthday. If he paid for it, and the stars paid for their own tickets and clothes, it's not like we were doing anything else with the White House that night.

I did notice that Rahm Emmanuel was in the picture. Now we have Jews and Blacks in the white house. What is this country coming to?

704 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:47:31am

re: #703 EmmmieG

It's his 50th birthday. If he paid for it, and the stars paid for their own tickets and clothes, it's not like we were doing anything else with the White House that night.

I did notice that Rahm Emmanuel was in the picture. Now we have Jews and Blacks in the white house. What is this country coming to?

As long as they keep the Irish out.

705 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:48:18am

re: #704 Decatur Deb

As long as they keep the Irish out.

Barry O'Bama? Too late.

I do hope he was smart enough not to invite Nicholas Cage, and if he did, he was smart enough not to go investigate any secret passages with said actor.

706 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:50:29am

Threw a dumb 'sticky kidneystone' episode at dawn, and the IV drugs are wearing off. Nap time--BBL.

707 McSpiff  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 9:53:20am

re: #675 reine.de.tout

And you are so intent on telling me why I was wrong, you've missed the point of everything I've tried to say. Well, I tried.

I think I get your point. The left has its own problem children. That's so true of every political ideology it might as well be a truism. Some of those shit heads have a nest in the comments at huffpo their mirror image are running fox nation. I don't think defending the comment "huffpo is worse than FN" is the best way to make that point.

708 JJ42  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 10:40:59am

re: #680 wrenchwench

..And there he was on the TV newscast as well.

709 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:02:59am

re: #708 JJ42

..And there he was on the TV newscast as well.

Where? Posted here?

710 JJ42  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:42:28pm

re: #709 wrenchwench

Norwegian TV: [Link: www.nrk.no...] (starting 16 minutes into it)
I'm not sure if it's available outside Norway but can't hurt to try. If the video doesn't start, try "Innstillinger" and change from MP to silverlight

711 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:54:23pm

re: #710 JJ42

Norwegian TV: [Link: www.nrk.no...] (starting 16 minutes into it)
I'm not sure if it's available outside Norway but can't hurt to try. If the video doesn't start, try "Innstillinger" and change from MP to silverlight

Thanks! It's playing, but I can't see a time counter, so I'll be guessing where 16 minutes is. I don't have time to sit and watch it all right now.

712 JJ42  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 1:59:17pm

re: #711 wrenchwench

Oslogin appears at exactly 17:20. Silverlight has a counter. Not sure about MP, which for some reason doesn't work for me

713 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 5, 2011 3:31:55pm

re: #712 JJ42

Oslogin appears at exactly 17:20. Silverlight has a counter. Not sure about MP, which for some reason doesn't work for me

Thanks! I finally watched it and saw him.


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