Video: Jon Stewart on Rick Perry’s Brain Freeze
‘Perry really did throw up all over himself’
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:24:46pm |
Bumbling Republican governor of Texas tries to speak; makes ass of self.
I've seen this movie before.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:25:29pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:28:17pm |
Upding for the Brit Hume impression alone.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:30:54pm |
Haha, that episode also has a Ron Paul interview.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:30:57pm |
I said Rick Perry would be a terrible debater because he's never really had to debate. He doesn't have a good offense or defense. Rick Perry isn't a good politician he's just lucky enough to keep running for office as a Republican in a state that hadn't elected a Democrat statewide in 15 years. So I guess it will be Romney the Used Care Salesman as the GOP nominee.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:32:59pm |
re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal
I said Rick Perry would be a terrible debater because he's never really had to debate. He doesn't have a good offense or defense. Rick Perry isn't a good politician he's just lucky enough to keep running for office as a Republican in a state that hadn't elected a Democrat statewide in 15 years. So I guess it will be Romney the Used Care Salesman as the GOP nominee.
Speed holes, they make the car go faster.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:33:21pm |
re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal
I said Rick Perry would be a terrible debater because he's never really had to debate. He doesn't have a good offense or defense. Rick Perry isn't a good politician he's just lucky enough to keep running for office as a Republican in a state that hadn't elected a Democrat statewide in 15 years. So I guess it will be Romney the Used Care Salesman as the GOP nominee.
Imagine if the last three standing are Ron Paul, Herman Cain and Romney. That could end up going all the way to the convention.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:33:32pm |
re: #4 000G
Haha, that episode also has a Ron Paul interview.
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:34:41pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
He's your crazy uncle. No one gets mad at their crazy uncle.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:35:24pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
They mistakenly believe that he holds the few liberal positions he does for the right reasons.
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Political Atheist Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:35:50pm |
It sure looks like the GOP will carefully & craftily put up the one person unable to beat the sitting president during the worst economy in a couple generations. Obama may be about to have the Harry Reid re-election experience.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:36:11pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
Ron Paul is at least genuinely honest about his beliefs and holds them sincerely in his heart from everything I've seen... for all his faults, I can't recall anyone ever accusing him of being a hypocrite (open to correction) he truly is like that crazy old uncle you can't help but love, as opposed to most GOP candidates who seem to just want to chant whatever the flavor of the month is.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:38:34pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
Three major points of appeal (whether these are truly defended by him or not is a different matter) for "the left": anti-war, pro-pot, pro-civil liberties.
Recently, he also touted himself as more for social programs than the other Republican candidates (something about cutting military spending before cutting medicare) and even voted for DADT repeal, so...
And yeah, Jon was too soft on him. He always is too soft. I guess that is why so many high-profile people even from the other side of the isle come on his show.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:41:15pm |
re: #14 000G
Three major points of appeal (whether these are truly defended by him or not is a different matter) for "the left": anti-war, pro-pot, pro-civil liberties.
Recently, he also touted himself as more for social programs than the other Republican candidates (something about cutting military spending before cutting medicare) and even voted for DADT repeal, so...
And yeah, Jon was too soft on him. He always is too soft. I guess that is why so many high-profile people even from the other side of the isle come on his show.
Jon isn't always "too soft" I think Jim Cramer and Betsy McCaughey (who had to resign from her position after she went on the Daily Show) can attest to.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:41:39pm |
Another bumbling idiot from Texas? Got to go with what you know I guess.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:42:38pm |
re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Another bumbling idiot from Texas? Got to go with what you know I guess.
It's becoming pretty clear why he refused to debate his gubernatorial opponents.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:43:07pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
I think it's because Paul at least treats his opponents with respect.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:43:17pm |
re: #19 Atlas Fails
It's becoming pretty clear why he refused to debate his gubernatorial opponents.
Jesus told him not to?
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:45:55pm |
Here's the thing about Perry that I don't get: he wrote (or, more realistically, had written) a campaign book. That's pretty much SOP these days. But Perry is the only candidate I have ever seen that filled the book full of stuff he has to run from, not on.
WTF?
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:47:20pm |
Them durn hurricanes and fires and oil spills in the Gulf area are all Gawd's will!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:48:03pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
Two more points: Jon completely failed to bring up Paul's 2008 staffer who died because of no insurance and instead rambled on about "people without medical insurance will get medical care because doctors won't let them die". WTF? And: The paulbots in the audience are fucking annoying.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:48:25pm |
re: #9 Killgore Trout
I watched that earlier. Stewart went easy on him and it was a rather dull interview. I used to think lefties went easy on Paul because he makes Republicans look crazy but they do seem to like him. He does have a lot of crossover appeal to liberals for some reason.
He's a wizened old gnome who wants to legalize the chronic.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:48:47pm |
re: #22 garhighway
I think he wrote it before he thought he would be a possible candidate, so he made the arguments suitable for "President of Texas."
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:49:34pm |
the perrygasm is over, so the next question is how will christie fail?
(this question is brought to you by the firm of Schadenfreud and Snark LLC)
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:51:07pm |
re: #24 000G
Two more points: Jon completely failed to bring up Paul's 2008 staffer who died because of no insurance and instead rambled on about some "people without medical insurance will get medical because doctors won't let them die". And: The paulbots in the audience are fucking annoying.
Paulbot- A 19 year-old psychology major who just read his first Ayn Rand novel.
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BishopX Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:51:24pm |
re: #27 engineer dog
My next question is Mitch or Chris? One of them is gonna run...both of them are still thinking about it...
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:52:12pm |
re: #27 engineer dog
the perrygasm is over, so the next question is how will christie fail?
(this question is brought to you by the firm of Schadenfreud and Snark LLC)
Christie's smart enough not to run this time. Now, he is having dinner with Meg Whitman tonight, so there's a chance that HP is going to buy New Jersey from him - then outsource it to India - so he could in fact be free to run for President.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:52:49pm |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
Jon isn't always "too soft" I think Jim Cramer and Betsy McCaughey (who had to resign from her position after she went on the Daily Show) can attest to.
There may be exceptions but rambling soft Jon is the rule. I remember him getting hoodwinked by Barton. Then he had to have a real historian on at a later episode to set the record straight.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:52:50pm |
re: #26 jaunte
I think he wrote it before he thought he would be a possible candidate, so he made the arguments suitable for "President of Texas."
I don't think so. The timing is wrong. There's no way he didn't have a run on his mind as at least a possibility by the time that book went to press. And the whole point of the book is to be a campaign manifesto.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:54:40pm |
BTW, greetings from 36000 feet over Michigan.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:56:04pm |
re: #27 engineer dog
the perrygasm is over, so the next question is how will christie fail?
Failure to ensure that the spice flows, defeat the kwizatz haderach.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:56:09pm |
re: #32 garhighway
His campaign really backed away from the book quickly.
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 27, 2011 5:56:19pm |
re: #27 engineer dog
the perrygasm is over, so the next question is how will christie fail?
I answered this question downstairs. (granted, that nastiness will only make him more popular with teabaggers, but I'm hoping moderates and independents will be turned off by the Ayn-Rand economic idiocy).
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:03:49pm |
re: #36 publicityStunted
stimulated by steve's claim that christie had done well balancing the budget, and that public school teacher's pensions were a huge part of the budget, i looked into the question through the magic of the innertubes
it turns out that christie helped make up a $2.2 billion shortfall in the state's $38 billion budget by vetoing out of existence $3 billion in pension fund financing
governor's office q&a doc regarding questions of public school financing
governor's office official "budget in brief"
basically, christie has been balancing the nj state budget on the backs of public school teachers
i'm supposed to be impressed?
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:04:14pm |
re: #27 engineer dog
the perrygasm is over, so the next question is how will christie fail?
(this question is brought to you by the firm of Schadenfreud and Snark LLC)
He said the creeping sharia folks are full of crap, means he is unelectable.
/snark
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:04:32pm |
re: #35 jaunte
His campaign really backed away from the book quickly.
Agreed. So why publish it if it's going to blow up in your face?
I don't get it.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:05:15pm |
re: #39 garhighway
He may not be as crafty as he appears in the clip above.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:05:36pm |
re: #39 garhighway
Agreed. So why publish it if it's going to blow up in your face?
I don't get it.
Because you can make a shit load of money from the rubes
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:06:17pm |
OT: Watching Frontline. It is about Park 51.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:06:20pm |
re: #40 jaunte
He may not be as crafty as he appears in the clip above.
He's a pretty fart smella... er, smart fella.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:08:14pm |
re: #35 jaunte
His campaign really backed away from the book quickly.
Inking it in blood and binding it in the skin of executed innocents was a mistake, hubris.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:11:34pm |
re: #36 publicityStunted
excellent post!
christie is yet another advocate of the necessity of destroying ss and medicare because millionaires and multinational corporations Must Not Be Touched
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:12:25pm |
Governor Christie told crowd of donors that he is not running for president, according to those who joined him for a fundraising lunch in southern California Tuesday.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:13:12pm |
re: #39 garhighway
Agreed. So why publish it if it's going to blow up in your face?
I don't get it.
He's been living inside the GOP/Fundie bubble. No one thought there was a bad idea in the book until it got out of Texas. No doubt his minions told him over and over it was a great book, chock-full of wonderful ideas that Americans would love.
That's the danger of being Rick Perry. Everyone's afraid to tell the Big Guy the truth.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:08pm |
re: #12 Rightwingconspirator
It sure looks like the GOP will carefully & craftily put up the one person unable to beat the sitting president during the worst economy in a couple generations. Obama may be about to have the Harry Reid re-election experience.
Most incumbent presidents who get reelected get reelected by making their opponent look unacceptable or having an opponent who is truly unacceptable. Having the good fortune of a weak opponent can't be underestimated.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:43pm |
re: #47 makeitstop
He's been living inside the GOP/Fundie bubble. No one thought there was a bad idea in the book until it got out of Texas. No doubt his minions told him over and over it was a great book, chock-full of wonderful ideas that Americans would love.
That's the danger of being Rick Perry. Everyone's afraid to tell the Big Guy the truth.
Hmmm... A TX Governor who sits inside a bubble of non-challenging advisors?
Couldn't be.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:14:50pm |
re: #46 jaunte
Governor Christie told crowd of donors that he is not running for president, according to those who joined him for a fundraising lunch in southern California Tuesday.
The question comes to mind - what, exactly, is he fundraising for, then?
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:17:23pm |
Oh gee. Now I want to turn off the (*&^% TV. Geller and Company are being given time. I better get my Pepcid AC. :(
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:18:36pm |
I have a question:
What are the substantive differences in what a governor has power to do, versus what the president has power to do, domestically?
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:20:00pm |
For those of you who are interested, this week is Pink Floyd week on the Jimmy Fallon Show.
Tonight, Roger Waters plays with the Foo Fighters.
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:22:02pm |
re: #46 jaunte
Governor Christie told crowd of donors that he is not running for president, according to those who joined him for a fundraising lunch in southern California Tuesday.
"Today, the biggest challenge we must meet is the one we present to ourselves. To not become a nation that places entitlement ahead of accomplishment. To not become a country that places comfortable lies ahead of difficult truths. To not become a people that thinks so little of ourselves that we demand no sacrifice from each other. We are a better people than that; and we must demand a better nation than that.” -- Governor Chris Christie, September 27, 2011.
Those poor Koch Brothers have suffered enough!! Include me in, Governor!!!
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erik_t Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:22:20pm |
re: #52 Naso Tang
I have a question:
What are the substantive differences in what a governor has power to do, versus what the president has power to do, domestically?
Depends to a huge extent on the state. I don't claim expertise here, but the Texas governorship was apparently historically weak. Perry himself is said to have changed that quite substantially.
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:23:26pm |
re: #50 makeitstop
The question comes to mind - what, exactly, is he fundraising for, then?
Helicopters to high school baseball games cost money, especially once people find out about them.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:24:12pm |
re: #53 makeitstop
For those of you who are interested, this week is Pink Floyd week on the Jimmy Fallon Show.
Tonight, Roger Waters plays with the Foo Fighters.
Shit. I'll have to TIVO it.re: #57 makeitstop
Ah. Makes sense. :)
People keep telling me to follow the money, but every time I do, I crack my head against the manhole cover.
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:24:26pm |
Gee. The wingnuts have really twisted Park 51 project into something it is not.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:18pm |
re: #52 Naso Tang
I have a question:
What are the substantive differences in what a governor has power to do, versus what the president has power to do, domestically?
Fifty states/fifty rules, but the most important would be sending troops to war and other duties of the Commander-in-Chief. Didn't turn out well when a bunch of governors tried it.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:31pm |
re: #60 PhillyPretzel
Gee. The wingnuts have really twisted Park 51 project into something it is not.
There were some interesting debates here about that project when it was going hot and heavy.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:25:51pm |
re: #55 BongCrodny
"To not become a country that places comfortable lies ahead of difficult truths."
Balancing state budgets by paying teachers less is a short term political tactic, not a sustainable social policy. How about that one?
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:26:53pm |
re: #62 garhighway
I am sure. Some folks really know how to use the fear "button."
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:28:19pm |
re: #53 makeitstop
For those of you who are interested, this week is Pink Floyd week on the Jimmy Fallon Show.
Tonight, Roger Waters plays with the Foo Fighters.
Wasn't impressed last night. Too many instruments to play "Breathe", and even then, the song was left wanting.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:30:20pm |
Christie's main attraction for the GOP and media elite is that he appears to be an asshole who says to middle class people what they want to say, which is basically "quite your whining you fucking peasants". Being an asshole to all of the people that they don't like is the #1 quality that the GOP is looking for. The second would be bowing down to Wall Street and corporations and he's good at that too.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:31:25pm |
Watching Frontline about the Park 51 mosque/community center fight. Atlasjuggs and LittleBobbySpencer featured. Kinda chilling.
Evening all. My Governor is an idiot.
Oh and we had spots west of Austin that got 4" of rain. We got the proverbial "T".
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Kragar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:31:34pm |
re: #53 makeitstop
For those of you who are interested, this week is Pink Floyd week on the Jimmy Fallon Show.
Tonight, Roger Waters plays with the Foo Fighters.
3 weeks till I see them.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:31:55pm |
re: #61 Decatur Deb
Fifty states/fifty rules, but the most important would be sending troops to war and other duties of the Commander-in-Chief. Didn't turn out well when a bunch of governors tried it.
Yes but I said domestically. I meant in terms of making law. To rephrase, can a state governor have more power over what is signed into law than a president can?
It seems to me that some states have been able to do more, right or wrong, than Washington has.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:32:04pm |
re: #37 engineer dog
stimulated by steve's claim that christie had done well balancing the budget, and that public school teacher's pensions were a huge part of the budget, i looked into the question through the magic of the innertubes
it turns out that christie helped make up a $2.2 billion shortfall in the state's $38 billion budget by vetoing out of existence $3 billion in pension fund financing
governor's office q&a doc regarding questions of public school financing
governor's office official "budget in brief"
basically, christie has been balancing the nj state budget on the backs of public school teachers
i'm supposed to be impressed?
I also heard that he line item vetoed the consessions he made with Democratic leaders to get his budget passed.
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garhighway Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:33:01pm |
Here's something interesting: a Muslim tried to get membership on the Broward County Republican Executive Committee. It didn't go well.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Sample:
Last night, the Broward Republican Executive Committee met to consider Hamze's application to become a voting member, a meeting that ended with him being called a "terrorist' by hecklers and an unprecedented 158-11 vote to deny him membership.
The usually perfunctory approval process for BREC membership was changed at the meeting in order to publicly vet Hamze and to then vote on his application using a secret ballot. He was the only one of 11 candidates rejected.
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BishopX Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:33:12pm |
re: #52 Naso Tang
I have a question:
What are the substantive differences in what a governor has power to do, versus what the president has power to do, domestically?
Vetoes can function differently (state by state), not all governors have the power to appoint high court justices (some are elected). Often many executive positions are independently elected as well. For example the attorney general, treasurer and state auditor are elected separately in Massachusetts. Some places split the gubernatorial ticket (i.e. the governor and lieutenant governor run separately). In practice this means that any given governor can be fighting with the legislature as well as various executive departments.
The other big policy issue is monetary policy. Governors need to balance their budgets and can't muck with their currencies in order to stimulate growth.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:33pm |
re: #71 garhighway
Here's something interesting: a Muslim tried to get membership on the Broward County Republican Executive Committee. It didn't go well.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Sample:
Last night, the Broward Republican Executive Committee met to consider Hamze's application to become a voting member, a meeting that ended with him being called a "terrorist' by hecklers and an unprecedented 158-11 vote to deny him membership.
The usually perfunctory approval process for BREC membership was changed at the meeting in order to publicly vet Hamze and to then vote on his application using a secret ballot. He was the only one of 11 candidates rejected.
LIBRUL PLANTS!!!
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:34:56pm |
re: #66 moderatelyradicalliberal
Christie's main attraction for the GOP and media elite is that he appears to be an asshole who says to middle class people what they want to say, which is basically "quite your whining you fucking peasants". Being an asshole to all of the people that they don't like is the #1 quality that the GOP is looking for. The second would be bowing down to Wall Street and corporations and he's good at that too.
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?....what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:35:04pm |
re: #71 garhighway
Here's something interesting: a Muslim tried to get membership on the Broward County Republican Executive Committee. It didn't go well.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Sample:
Last night, the Broward Republican Executive Committee met to consider Hamze's application to become a voting member, a meeting that ended with him being called a "terrorist' by hecklers and an unprecedented 158-11 vote to deny him membership.
The usually perfunctory approval process for BREC membership was changed at the meeting in order to publicly vet Hamze and to then vote on his application using a secret ballot. He was the only one of 11 candidates rejected.
But there's no bigotry in the Republican Party. None at all.
But, seriously, why is this guy a Republican after the last 8 years of rightwing Muslim bashing? This makes less sense to me than GOProud.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:35:52pm |
re: #53 makeitstop
For those of you who are interested, this week is Pink Floyd week on the Jimmy Fallon Show.
Tonight, Roger Waters plays with the Foo Fighters.
Not having high hopes about that either. While Waters is more likely to stay true to the band's vision shen they made the original recordings, Most people who played the same music for 35 years want to do something different with their songs, and it doesn't always work.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:36:11pm |
re: #69 Naso Tang
Yes but I said domestically. I meant in terms of making law. To rephrase, can a state governor have more power over what is signed into law than a president can?
It seems to me that some states have been able to do more, right or wrong, than Washington has.
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of Law-review papers to be had there.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:36:37pm |
re: #74 albusteve
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?...what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
How would you make a better president than Obama? This is a non-argument.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:36:39pm |
re: #66 moderatelyradicalliberal
Yes, I saw that clip of his response to a teacher asking about public/private education funding.
The question was polite. His response was schoolyard rude (none of your business!), and then he proceeded to explain that if he was asked a polite question he would respond politely.
What he meant was if he was asked a question he liked he would respond with an answer he liked.
If there was one thing that turned me off him, that was it.
Asshole.
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:36:47pm |
re: #71 garhighway
Here's something interesting: a Muslim tried to get membership on the Broward County Republican Executive Committee. It didn't go well.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
Sample:
Last night, the Broward Republican Executive Committee met to consider Hamze's application to become a voting member, a meeting that ended with him being called a "terrorist' by hecklers and an unprecedented 158-11 vote to deny him membership.
The usually perfunctory approval process for BREC membership was changed at the meeting in order to publicly vet Hamze and to then vote on his application using a secret ballot. He was the only one of 11 candidates rejected.
"We don't want your kind around here." Literally.
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Linden Arden Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:37:16pm |
Am I alone in silent wonderment of Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan?
Yeah - drop the top rate from 35% to 9% on both personal and corporate income tax rates - then smack the lower middle class with a NEW 9% federal sales tax - what could go wrong?
Its flatter, right?
China will abandon their $2 a day labor to jump to the low US corporate tax rates!
Cain = true idiot - a Pizza Supreme.
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:37:29pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:39:31pm |
re: #77 SteveMcG
Not having high hopes about that either. While Waters is more likely to stay true to the band's vision shen they made the original recordings, Most people who played the same music for 35 years want to do something different with their songs, and it doesn't always work.
the band is shot...good run, historic even, but their time is over...Mason is gone
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:40:39pm |
re: #52 Naso Tang
The legal answer is that it depends on the powers allotted to the governor of the individual state. Some states have very limited powers vested in the governor, but others have quite powerful governors compared with the legislature (NJ, WI for example). Still others are more evenly balanced between the legislature and governorship (NY).
Texas used to have a quite limited power governorship, but under Bush and then Perry, the powers have been expanded significantly.
But as a general principal, a governor holds the same kind of role in crafting a domestic agenda as a president does as compared to the legislature. They both have the bully pulpit to push an agenda and both have the ability to veto (some governors have a line item veto - as in WI) to craft an agenda.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:42:31pm |
re: #84 albusteve
the band is shot...good run, historic even, but their time is over...Mason is gone
Problem is I was to young to enjoy them when they were at their prime. There are very few recordings of them. The stuff after the breakup is junk. Even The Wall concert video isn't as good as the studio. In general concert recordings should be better than the studio stuff. Pompeii is awesome, but there is nothing comparable for their best music.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:03pm |
re: #79 Atlas Fails
How would you make a better president than Obama? This is a non-argument.
then don't bitch about a governor
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Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:13pm |
For the fans of My Drunk Kitchen (and probably nobody else)
Show Me Where Ya Noms At
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:43:50pm |
re: #84 albusteve
the band is shot...good run, historic even, but their time is over...Mason is gone
I never really got into prog, but they're second only to the Beatles in terms of rock influence and importance, imho.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:44:21pm |
re: #74 albusteve
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?...what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
So because I'm not a governor, I can't criticize someone who is a governor? Is that your logic? Really? I guess I can't be critical of a film, song or book because I'm not an actor, singer or writer?
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:44:45pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:44:56pm |
re: #37 engineer dog
I responded down below, but I'll repost:
e: #178 engineer dog
I could tell you that he did cut funding for education from his first year's budget, but not only increased funding for the current fiscal year - but exceeded the budget amount from over the amount allotted during the Corzine administration's last budget. Much of the dispute over funding had to do with Abbott district and its expanded funding formula for certain urban areas. [so the way the education funding looks, it went from what would be x, then x-10, to x+.05, for the final Corzine budget, Christie's first year budget, and then the current fiscal year budget]
The courts have an outsized role in education funding to the point where I think that they're unconstitutionally imposing themselves into the legislative process - because they continue to misread the constitutional requirement for a thorough and efficient education as requiring money that the state simply doesn't have in its budget.
Christie has gone to great lengths to try and put the state's structural deficits to an end and to get spending under control and with the pension deal, which includes payments into the funds that have been avoided for a couple of years, he has managed to get a lot done on that front.
How he did it antagonized the education unions quite a bit. There was and remains quite a bit of animosity there - and also against Democrats who ended up cutting the education funding deal with Christie.
His performance during the flooding following Irene and Lee has shown that he knows how to manage natural disaster mitigation - and showed he can take charge of the situation and make sure that state resources are available and deployed, which was a major improvement over the perception that he failed during the blizzard last winter (when he was on vacation in Florida at the time).
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:45:48pm |
re: #86 SteveMcG
Problem is I was to young to enjoy them when they were at their prime. There are very few recordings of them. The stuff after the breakup is junk. Even The Wall concert video isn't as good as the studio. In general concert recordings should be better than the studio stuff. Pompeii is awesome, but there is nothing comparable for their best music.
say what you will...this is awesome
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:11pm |
re: #74 albusteve
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?...what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
Thoss ultra fat pensions were agreed to by both sides.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:27pm |
re: #91 Atlas Fails
*Sigh*
Well I guess we can't criticize politicians in America anymore. How did we ever get the impression that we could?
//
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:46:42pm |
re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal
So because I'm not a governor, I can't criticize someone who is a governor? Is that your logic? Really? I guess I can't be critical of a film, song or book because I'm not an actor, singer or writer?
LOL...nice try
fail
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:47:24pm |
re: #94 SteveMcG
Thoss ultra fat pensions were agreed to by both sides.
re-election mean anything to you?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:47:33pm |
re: #82 Linden Arden
Am I alone in silent wonderment of Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan?
Yeah - drop the top rate from 35% to 9% on both personal and corporate income tax rates - then smack the lower middle class with a NEW 9% federal sales tax - what could go wrong?
Its flatter, right?
China will abandon their $2 a day labor to jump to the low US corporate tax rates!
Cain = true idiot - a Pizza Supreme.
Turn that 999 upside and that's all you need to know.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:48:00pm |
re: #82 Linden Arden
Am I alone in silent wonderment of Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan?
You are not alone, but I think it is simply that few take him seriously and there are other social engineering topics of more interest, like let the sucker die if he doesn't have insurance....
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:48:30pm |
re: #74 albusteve
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?...what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
I've been listening to Gov. Christie speak at the Reagan Library tonight.. I've never listened to him before give a speech..Just some sound bites here and there..
He is giving a speech worthy of Reagan.. He is pretty dang good and the way he has been characterized here shows some political immaturity by some...
He appeals to the middle class by his every day man demeanor and it must be working cause who knew there would be a GOP Gov. in NJ? Really?
So I think he is a up and coming star for the GOP.. That is my evaluation of Christie.. That big meanie..( Please )
Now.. I'm a Dem so don't get too upset..But I promise you one thing..
Before Obama goes to bed tonight he is praying by his Bed thanking God Christie isn't running.. Cause he may be the only person that could beat him next year
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:49:07pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
Well I guess we can't criticize politicians in America anymore. How did we ever get the impression that we could?
//
what?...a sissy victim?
you'll get beat like a mule
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:49:07pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:50:26pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:50:57pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:51:50pm |
Wow...George Wright got busted. What do you do after 41 years on the run? Relax and enjoy your retirement in prison?
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:52:34pm |
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:52:36pm |
re: #84 albusteve
the band is shot...good run, historic even, but their time is over...Mason is gone
Um, wrong. Rick Wright is the one who passed away, almost exactly 3 years ago.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:52:39pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:52:47pm |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:53:12pm |
re: #104 albusteve
Come on steve, the obvious answer is 'don't shaft the middle class, and don't kiss corporate ass' makes a better governor. It's inherent in the criticism written in the post. Don't be dense.
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Atlas Fails Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:53:19pm |
re: #101 albusteve
what?...a sissy victim?
you'll get beat like a mule
This is how your argument looks, Steve:
MRL: I don't like Christie because of his stance on unions, teachers, ect.
Steve: Well let's see you do a better job!
MRL: So because I'm not running for governor I can't criticize someone who is?
Steve: Nice try! FAIL!
Clarify if I'm wrong.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:53:49pm |
re: #84 albusteve
the band is shot...good run, historic even, but their time is over...Mason is gone
Mason died on Monday...
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:54:31pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:54:51pm |
re: #101 albusteve
what?...a sissy victim?
you'll get beat like a mule
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you on drugs or off your meds?
And sissy? Well at least you didn't call me "limp wrist". How many insults rooted in homophobia you got, asshole?
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:54:56pm |
re: #82 Linden Arden
Am I alone in silent wonderment of Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan?
Yeah - drop the top rate from 35% to 9% on both personal and corporate income tax rates - then smack the lower middle class with a NEW 9% federal sales tax - what could go wrong?
Its flatter, right?
China will abandon their $2 a day labor to jump to the low US corporate tax rates!
Cain = true idiot - a Pizza Supreme.
Got to tell you. This country needs a much simpler tax code; 999 or 666. My 1040 w/ schedule C return was 57 pages long this year.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:55:29pm |
re: #107 bratwurst
Um, wrong. Rick Wright is the one who passed away, almost exactly 3 years ago.
my bad...that was who I was referring to...no Wright, no band
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:55:54pm |
re: #115 compound idaho
Got to tell you. This country needs a much simpler tax code; 999 or 666. My 1040 w/ schedule C return was 57 pages long this year.
Don't you love those deductions?
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:56:12pm |
Governor Christie is NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
And he's wearing a pink tie!
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:56:53pm |
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:57:25pm |
In the Philadelphia market, somebody has been running Chris Christie ads. One of these days (heh) I'm gonna check the small print if I remember not to tune it out.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:57:40pm |
re: #119 darthstar
Governor Christie is NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!
And he's wearing a pink tie!
Shows good taste. (The 'not running' part.)
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:22pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Shows good taste. (The 'not running' part.)
I think the pink tie works. YOUGODDAPROBLEMWIDDIT?
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:37pm |
re: #86 SteveMcG
Problem is I was to young to enjoy them when they were at their prime. There are very few recordings of them. The stuff after the breakup is junk. Even The Wall concert video isn't as good as the studio. In general concert recordings should be better than the studio stuff. Pompeii is awesome, but there is nothing comparable for their best music.
I've been listening to a radio station out of London today, and they actually played 'Interstellar Overdrive' earlier this evening.
After not hearing the song for what must be over 40 years, I was surprised at how crisp and 'contemporary' the recording and production sounded. Before I realized what track it was, my first thought was 'Heh, another bunch of kids from London trying to sound like Floyd.' :)
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:52pm |
re: #116 albusteve
my bad...that was who I was referring to...no Wright, no band
That much we can agree on. While he was never greatly appreciated (and actually kicked out of the band by Waters in 1980 for being too messed up to contribute anything), it is certainly clear in retrospect that his evocative playing, as well as the magic when his voice combined with Gilmour's were essential qualities that the band cannot exist without.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:58:59pm |
I wonder who the Republicans will beg to next to run?
(hi, long time no see)
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:59:14pm |
re: #74 albusteve
...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?
Yes. If you sign a contract, you live up to that contract. Failure to pay into the pension funds is a two faced breach of a prior agreement. It says that the State cannot be trusted to live up to promises made in any future negotiations.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:59:34pm |
re: #126 webevintage
I wonder who the Republicans will beg to next to run?
(hi, long time no see)
Who's left?
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 27, 2011 6:59:44pm |
re: #126 webevintage
I wonder who the Republicans will beg to next to run?
(hi, long time no see)
You have any plans yourself for the next several months? ;)
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:00:17pm |
re: #114 moderatelyradicalliberal
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you on drugs or off your meds?
And sissy? Well at least you didn't call me "limp wrist". How many insults rooted in homophobia you got, asshole?
how many do you want?....did I call you an asshole?...chill out before you embarrass yourself
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:00:28pm |
re: #100 HoosierHoops
I've been listening to Gov. Christie speak at the Reagan Library tonight.. I've never listened to him before give a speech..Just some sound bites here and there..
He is giving a speech worthy of Reagan.. He is pretty dang good and the way he has been characterized here shows some political immaturity by some...
He appeals to the middle class by his every day man demeanor and it must be working cause who knew there would be a GOP Gov. in NJ? Really?
So I think he is a up and coming star for the GOP.. That is my evaluation of Christie.. That big meanie..( Please )
Now.. I'm a Dem so don't get too upset..But I promise you one thing..
Before Obama goes to bed tonight he is praying by his Bed thanking God Christie isn't running.. Cause he may be the only person that could beat him next year
Well then I guess he really doesn't want to be president because if did and he thought he could win, he'd run. Unless he's like Donald Trump who says he's not running even though he knows he could win.
If you want it and winning is a real possibility, you run. It's that simple. Hell, people who don't have a snowballs chance in hell make will make a run for it. See the guy who's in the White House now. What were his odds back in 2007?. The fact that Romney is the best the GOP can do tells me that Obama is vulnerable, but not that damn vulnerable.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:01:11pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:02:31pm |
re: #125 bratwurst
That much we can agree on. While he was never greatly appreciated (and actually kicked out of the band by Waters in 1980 for being too messed up to contribute anything), it is certainly clear in retrospect that his evocative playing, as well as the magic when his voice combined with Gilmour's were essential qualities that the band cannot exist without.
Gilmour and Wright were the entire band musically...Waters wrote some riffs and lyrics
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:02:54pm |
re: #92 lawhawk
Another issue on which he should get props is being able to get hard caps on property tax increases at the local level. Corzine had been able to get caps imposed, but there was so much flexibility to exceed the caps that it was useless to reign in local spending. Christie strengthened those caps, and property taxes may finally get under control.
On property tax credits/rebates, Christie cut them in his first year significantly, but restored them in the current year budget.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:03:17pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:04:08pm |
re: #100 HoosierHoops
I've been listening to Gov. Christie speak at the Reagan Library tonight.. I've never listened to him before give a speech..Just some sound bites here and there..
He is giving a speech worthy of Reagan.. He is pretty dang good and the way he has been characterized here shows some political immaturity by some...
He appeals to the middle class by his every day man demeanor and it must be working cause who knew there would be a GOP Gov. in NJ? Really?
So I think he is a up and coming star for the GOP.. That is my evaluation of Christie.. That big meanie..( Please )
Now.. I'm a Dem so don't get too upset..But I promise you one thing..
Before Obama goes to bed tonight he is praying by his Bed thanking God Christie isn't running.. Cause he may be the only person that could beat him next year
He'd never get to sniff the nomination. He stood up for Muslims and has an actual informed opinion on Global Warming. That won't fly with the rubes.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:04:40pm |
re: #127 goddamnedfrank
Yes. If you sign a contract, you live up to that contract. Failure to pay into the pension funds is a two faced breach of a prior agreement. It says that the State cannot be trusted to live up to promises made in any future negotiations.
obviously the states are not trustworthy....hello?
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:01pm |
re: #131 moderatelyradicalliberal
If you want it and winning is a real possibility, you run. It's that simple.
No that's not true my friend. Running is very complex..Daniels didn't run because of family issues.. He could give Obama a run for his money.. Christie says he's not ready after 20 months in office.. He is setting up for 2016 I think..
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:03pm |
re: #130 albusteve
how many do you want?...did I call you an asshole?...chill out before you embarrass yourself
Touched a nerve? You're the one who embarrassed yourself. That comment may have been deleted, but you said it. And you are an asshole for it. Now, bugger off.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:08pm |
re: #130 albusteve
how many do you want?...did I call you an asshole?...chill out before you embarrass yourself
I'm pretty sure you've been warned about this kind of abusive behavior, haven't you?
More than once?
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:05:50pm |
re: #134 albusteve
Gilmour and Wright were the entire band musically...Waters wrote some riffs and lyrics
I read a book about the band. After Meddle, Waters swore that nobody but him was ever again going to write lyrics! As far as who was the most important musically, the fact that nobody really made a dent with their solo stuff, and the post Waters Floyd was just a shadow of its former self, leads me to believe it was a matter of synergy. The Wall was mostly a Waters project, but without Gilmour's contributions probably would not have been what it was.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:06:21pm |
re: #139 HoosierHoops
If you want it and winning is a real possibility, you run. It's that simple.
No that's not true my friend. Running is very complex..Daniels didn't run because of family issues.. He could give Obama a run for his money.. Christie says he's not ready after 20 months in office.. He is setting up for 2016 I think..
I really think that he just does not want to deal with the Tea Party nuts and hopes they will be gone by 2016.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:06:40pm |
re: #137 makeitstop
Christie has a mixed record on environment - he quit REGI but pushed for more wind and solar.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:06:53pm |
Uh oh, better talk to Steve while we still can!
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:07:57pm |
re: #141 Charles
I'm pretty sure you've been warned about this kind of abusive behavior, haven't you?
More than once?
look at #114....there is no call for that
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:08:38pm |
re: #137 makeitstop
He'd never get to sniff the nomination. He stood up for Muslims and has an actual informed opinion on Global Warming. That won't fly with the rubes.
From what I hear, all the big money people for the GOP have been BEGGING him to run.. They were ready to make it rain..
Who knows? You know what they say about the grass being greener on the other side
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:08:52pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:09:11pm |
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:09:22pm |
re: #146 albusteve
#114 points to your #101. Not a good case.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:09:36pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
Christie has a mixed record on environment - he quit REGI but pushed for more wind and solar.
TBH, a mixed record is more than I would have expected.
/
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:10:56pm |
Regarding Christy, I never trust a guy that has a quick answer for everything.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:11:00pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
From what I hear, all the big money people for the GOP have been BEGGING him to run.. They were ready to make it rain..
Who knows? You know what they say about the grass being greener on the other side
Who knows? Maybe he's smart enough to realize that you'd have to be nuts to even want to be president nowadays.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:11:07pm |
re: #149 jamesfirecat
As far as I'm concerned every man should keep his sweat to himself.
But absent Christie, I'm sure there will be some kind of 'draft Ryan' movement.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:11:32pm |
re: #149 jamesfirecat
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
No. We need to fund green jobs and other important responsibilities of the federal government.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:20pm |
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:22pm |
re: #154 Coracle
As far as I'm concerned every man should keep his sweat to himself.
But absent Christie, I'm sure there will be some kind of 'draft Ryan' movement.
All this to satisfy the TeaBaggers.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:42pm |
re: #144 lawhawk
Christie has a mixed record on environment - he quit REGI but pushed for more wind and solar.
The Christies and Huntsmans (Huntsmen) need to spend the next five years doing something to exorcise their party, or they can just go into the 'Institutes' and work on their memoirs.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:12:44pm |
re: #154 Coracle
As far as I'm concerned every man should keep his sweat to himself.
But absent Christie, I'm sure there will be some kind of 'draft Ryan' movement.
He's kind of pretty.
That's about it.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:09pm |
re: #147 HoosierHoops
Yeah, if that NYT report is to be believed, everyone from David Koch on down to the former head of Home Depot is pushing for Christie to move into the race but he's declined to date.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:56pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:13:57pm |
I just made a big pot (4 1/2 qt) of Beef & Butternut squash chili...with fresh ground chili pepper and roasted hatch chili peppers I brought home from NM this summer...fuckin' shit is off the hook good. I love the beginning of squash and gourd season. Bring that orange flesh on! (and I'm not talking about John Boehner)
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:15:01pm |
re: #157 albusteve
victimization gets called out here
If that was what you were doing, you might have had a point. You were just being a dick.
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FreedomMoon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:15:14pm |
I don't know why Jon decides to have Ron Paul on his show so many times. There's never really anything substantive, just Ron Paul dodging questions. And I quote "the regulations are much tougher in a free market because you cannot commit fraud, you cannot steal you cannot hurt people."
Does Ron Paul know anything about the history of earth? This is blatant ignorance. I hope "Dr." Paul is never invited back to The Daily Show.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:15:31pm |
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:16:30pm |
re: #167 Coracle
If that was what you were doing, you might have had a point. You were just being a dick.
interesting...do you ever disagree with people?
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:16:36pm |
re: #160 laZardo
And I think that was the wrong move. The tax credits are for film/tv productions, regardless of content. It was approved under the Corzine administration and was approved by the film agency until Christie jumped in.
The argument should have been made on whether the credit brought economic development to the state or not - a cost/benefit analysis that other states have incorporated into giving out credits/benefits for film/tv productions. From what I've seen, Jersey Shore has brought economic development to the Seaside Heights and other communities where they film the show and it might outweigh the amount of the credit given.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:00pm |
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:04pm |
re: #166 darthstar
I just made a big pot (4 1/2 qt) of Beef & Butternut squash chili...with fresh ground chili pepper and roasted hatch chili peppers I brought home from NM this summer...fuckin' shit is off the hook good. I love the beginning of squash and gourd season. Bring that orange flesh on! (and I'm not talking about John Boehner)
Post the recipe in a page?
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:25pm |
re: #169 webevintage
Fred Thompson?
/
Uncle Fred! Finally entered the race and then realized you had to think and not just recite lines...he couldn't drop back out fast enough.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:35pm |
re: #138 albusteve
obviously the states are not trustworthy...hello?
States aren't trustworthy, but a better governor shouldn't honor promises made by states. Tautological nihilism.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:39pm |
re: #170 albusteve
interesting...do you ever disagree with people?
All the time. I just try not to be a dick about it.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:40pm |
re: #169 webevintage
RUDY... RUDY.... RUDY... /well, he's still out there contemplating a run (in 2008 that is).
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:17:51pm |
re: #168 tacuba14
I don't know why Jon decides to have Ron Paul on his show so many times. There's never really anything substantive, just Ron Paul dodging questions. And I quote "the regulations are much tougher in a free market because you cannot commit fraud, you cannot steal you cannot hurt people."
Does Ron Paul know anything about the history of earth? This is blatant ignorance. I hope "Dr." Paul is never invited back to The Daily Show.
Actually, it's blatant fantasy. It's the Randian mythos - in the free market, the really, really free market, nobody cheats anyone and there's no crime. Except for the Galtian overlords, and when they do it to parasites it's a victimless crime, because they deserve it.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:18:19pm |
re: #171 lawhawk
And I think that was the wrong move. The tax credits are for film/tv productions, regardless of content. It was approved under the Corzine administration and was approved by the film agency until Christie jumped in.
The argument should have been made on whether the credit brought economic development to the state or not - a cost/benefit analysis that other states have incorporated into giving out credits/benefits for film/tv productions. From what I've seen, Jersey Shore has brought economic development to the Seaside Heights and other communities where they film the show and it might outweigh the amount of the credit given.
It's stuff like this and the pension vetoes and the broken deals with Democrats that make me wonder what will happen to America's credibility during a Christie administration.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:18:41pm |
re: #171 lawhawk
And I think that was the wrong move. The tax credits are for film/tv productions, regardless of content. It was approved under the Corzine administration and was approved by the film agency until Christie jumped in.
The argument should have been made on whether the credit brought economic development to the state or not - a cost/benefit analysis that other states have incorporated into giving out credits/benefits for film/tv productions. From what I've seen, Jersey Shore has brought economic development to the Seaside Heights and other communities where they film the show and it might outweigh the amount of the credit given.
here in NM we dropped the tax breaks for Hollywood...here in ABQ it's a contentious issue, since Breaking Bad is filmed here and it's a huge hit
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webevintage Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:18:47pm |
I think some folks have been sniffing around old Mike, but the Huckster loves the money he is making too much to run for President...unless there is someway he and Janet can make money off of it.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:19:49pm |
re: #176 Coracle
All the time. I just try not to be a dick about it.
calling people asshole for little reason?....we are all in this together
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:19:53pm |
re: #173 Alouette
Post the recipe in a page?
Here's the recipe I built my chili from: [Link: www.myrecipes.com...] I do it all by memory now...today I added the kernels from two ears of corn I'd picked up at the Farmer's Market on Saturday, white beans as well as kidneys...reduced the tomatoes and used a bit of paste...it's a good basic recipe...make it a few times and it becomes second nature...and it's only about an hour start to finish (if you use canned beans).
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:19:56pm |
re: #165 SteveMcG
It's good press, but didn't the production bring jobs to the area?
A news report I heard when the story first broke, a spokesman for the town said the influx of workers brought in about four times what the tax break wold cost the town per year.
At that time, Christie was saying he had no veto power to stop the tax break. I wonder what changed.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:20:05pm |
re: #139 HoosierHoops
If you want it and winning is a real possibility, you run. It's that simple.
No that's not true my friend. Running is very complex..Daniels didn't run because of family issues.. He could give Obama a run for his money.. Christie says he's not ready after 20 months in office.. He is setting up for 2016 I think..
There's a flaw in your premise about Christie waiting until 2016. It actually presumes Obama will win in 2012. If Republicans take back the White House in 2012, how could Christie run in 2016? Is he going to primary President Romney or President Perry? If he's waiting for 2016 that actually bolsters my argument that Obama is vulnerable, but not that damn vulnerable. The Republicans who think they could be president one day do not want to risk losing to Obama in 2012. And they believe the odds of losing to Obama are higher than beating Obama, that's all I'm saying.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:20:49pm |
I think what the country needs is more Republicans. Could you imagine if evrybody joined the Republican Party? I mean if blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans and God forbid, liberals stood side by side with the Tea Baggers? They'd shit themselves.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:21:05pm |
re: #182 albusteve
calling people asshole for little reason?...we are all in this together
I can be a real asshole! (sometimes...)
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:21:26pm |
re: #182 albusteve
I can't speak for others. If I call you an asshole, though, it'll be for a reason. I said you were being a dick for a reason: because I thought you were being a dick.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:22:20pm |
re: #188 Coracle
I can't speak for others. If I call you an asshole, though, it'll be for a reason. I said you were being a dick for a reason: because I thought you were being a dick.
what's your reason?
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recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:22:56pm |
re: #90 moderatelyradicalliberal
So because I'm not a governor, I can't criticize someone who is a governor? Is that your logic? Really? I guess I can't be critical of a film, song or book because I'm not an actor, singer or writer?
Just bitch about 'The Feds', and you'll be all good.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:23:24pm |
re: #187 darthstar
I can be a real asshole! (sometimes...)
we meet in the middle....two foot powder and Dire Wolf is playing
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:23:37pm |
re: #185 moderatelyradicalliberal
There's a flaw in your premise about Christie waiting until 2016. It actually presumes Obama will win in 2012. If Republicans take back the White House in 2012, how could Christie run in 2016? Is he going to primary President Romney or President Perry? If he's waiting for 2016 that actually bolsters my argument that Obama is vulnerable, but not that damn vulnerable. The Republicans who think they could be president one day do not want to risk losing to Obama in 2012. And they believe the odds of losing to Obama are higher than beating Obama, that's all I'm saying.
Well you could be right..But as I said..I think Christie could beat Obama in a general election after listening to him tonight.. I don't think Perry, Mitt or Ron Paul or Bachman have a chance in hell to beat Obama...
Hey..I've been wrong before
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:23:51pm |
re: #189 albusteve
what's your reason?
My reason (to repeat):
I thought you were being a dick.
So I called you one.
I also said 'Don't be dense'. I should repeat that, too.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:24:12pm |
re: #185 moderatelyradicalliberal
There's a flaw in your premise about Christie waiting until 2016. It actually presumes Obama will win in 2012. If Republicans take back the White House in 2012, how could Christie run in 2016? Is he going to primary President Romney or President Perry? If he's waiting for 2016 that actually bolsters my argument that Obama is vulnerable, but not that damn vulnerable. The Republicans who think they could be president one day do not want to risk losing to Obama in 2012. And they believe the odds of losing to Obama are higher than beating Obama, that's all I'm saying.
At present - unless Romney is nominee, who is behind in single digits to Obama, in all the Polls, even at his present levels of popularity the sitting POTUS wins going away.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:24:28pm |
re: #190 recusancy
Just bitch about 'The Feds', and you'll be all good.
really...ask yourself what they have done for you lately...good eye
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Four More Tears Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:25:24pm |
re: #195 albusteve
really...ask yourself what they have done for you lately...good eye
You are so easy sometimes.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:25:41pm |
re: #193 Coracle
My reason (to repeat):
I thought you were being a dick.So I called you one.
thanks...no blood, no foul
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:27:05pm |
re: #195 albusteve
really...ask yourself what they have done for you lately...good eye
Miss Jackson if you're nasty.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:27:27pm |
I've been in re: #178 Renaissance_Man
Actually, it's blatant fantasy. It's the Randian mythos - in the free market, the really, really free market, nobody cheats anyone and there's no crime. Except for the Galtian overlords, and when they do it to parasites it's a victimless crime, because they deserve it.
I have been in business for 15 years. Business to business is nothing like retail. Businesses pay their bills. I only invoice about 20-30 times a year, but have never been cheated.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:28:12pm |
re: #75 moderatelyradicalliberal
But there's no bigotry in the Republican Party. None at all.
But, seriously, why is this guy a Republican after the last 8 years of rightwing Muslim bashing? This makes less sense to me than GOProud.
GOProud's board is populated by straight white conservative bigots.
So, that tells me everything about those aholes I need to know.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:28:17pm |
Hmm... how should this be spun - JPost poll finds surge in Obama popularity in Israel following his UN speech. However, the poll's methodologies were changed from prior JPost polls, so a direct comparison can't be made.
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laZardo Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:28:28pm |
re: #190 recusancy
Just bitch about 'The Feds', and you'll be all good.
The more I hear about people bitching about "TEH GOOOLD!" the more I want to go out and get a Krugerrand or something for my world coin collection just so I can say "Hey, I got some, now stfu."
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Four More Tears Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:29:04pm |
re: #199 compound idaho
I've been in
I have been in business for 15 years. Business to business is nothing like retail. Businesses pay their bills. I only invoice about 20-30 times a year, but have never been cheated.
Eh. I've done some Accounts Receivable work and had to do some hounding. Also done some Accounts Payable and gotten hounded...
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:29:45pm |
re: #182 albusteve
calling people asshole for little reason?...we are all in this together
That makes no sense. Chill out.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:07pm |
re: #204 JasonA
Eh. I've done some Accounts Receivable work and had to do some hounding. Also done some Accounts Payable and gotten hounded...
Mrs Compound used to do retail. Never never again.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:13pm |
re: #202 lawhawk
Hmm... how should this be spun - JPost poll finds surge in Obama popularity in Israel following his UN speech. However, the poll's methodologies were changed from prior JPost polls, so a direct comparison can't be made.
Bibi is not popular.
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Four More Tears Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:17pm |
re: #204 JasonA
Eh. I've done some Accounts Receivable work and had to do some hounding. Also done some Accounts Payable and gotten hounded...
Not saying it's the same as being cheated, but businesses don't always work together like a well-oiled machine.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:43pm |
re: #202 lawhawk
Hmm... how should this be spun - JPost poll finds surge in Obama popularity in Israel following his UN speech. However, the poll's methodologies were changed from prior JPost polls, so a direct comparison can't be made.
What was the change in methodology?
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:30:46pm |
re: #186 SteveMcG
I think what the country needs is more Republicans. Could you imagine if evrybody joined the Republican Party? I mean if blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans and God forbid, liberals stood side by side with the Tea Baggers? They'd shit themselves.
Yeah, but we know better.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:31:14pm |
re: #208 JasonA
Not saying it's the same as being cheated, but businesses don't always work together like a well-oiled machine.
Not my experience.
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Four More Tears Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:31:49pm |
re: #206 compound idaho
Mrs Compound used to do retail. Never never again.
Oh no, that work I was talking about was with a wholesaler. I had to deal with clients, who were small businesses, and vendors, who were bigger corporations.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:31:59pm |
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:32:14pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Well you could be right..But as I said..I think Christie could beat Obama in a general election after listening to him tonight.. I don't think Perry, Mitt or Ron Paul or Bachman have a chance in hell to beat Obama...
Hey..I've been wrong before
Chris Christie subscribes to the exact same Ayn Rand dogma as the tea-party-founding Koch brothers. Please at least read the info I linked to before deciding he's good for America, because anyone endorsed by the Koch brothers most definitely is not.
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:32:50pm |
re: #209 jamesfirecat
Different pollster, and I haven't sourced through to see what the precise differences were.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:33:24pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:34:03pm |
re: #74 albusteve
how would you make a better governor?...is that an unfair question?...what are governors supposed to do?...are you saying that these ultra fat civil service pensions are off the table?...how might you govern NJ?
What fat civil service pensions?
The [evil teachers] one that left my father barely able to pay all his bills in old age, after a career of taking pay cuts to compensate for them later?
Those? lol
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BishopX Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:34:04pm |
re: #202 lawhawk
Hmm... how should this be spun - JPost poll finds surge in Obama popularity in Israel following his UN speech. However, the poll's methodologies were changed from prior JPost polls, so a direct comparison can't be made.
My WAG is that the 'Obama hates Israel' meme gained some traction in Israel, and people listening to Obama's speech realized it was bull shit.
Bibi has been doing weird shit with the US/Israel alliance.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:34:26pm |
re: #192 HoosierHoops
Well you could be right..But as I said..I think Christie could beat Obama in a general election after listening to him tonight.. I don't think Perry, Mitt or Ron Paul or Bachman have a chance in hell to beat Obama...
Hey..I've been wrong before
I'm not saying Christie couldn't win. He may not appeal to me, but I do see his appeal. He has a real everyday working man think going even as he pursues policies that fuck everyday working people over. Hell, that's the GOP's bread an butter. Using guys with regular guy schtick to make people forget they are actually working on behalf of the elite, like the Koch brothers. Romney on the other hand reeks of the top 1% elite. It's obvious who he really works. I know why the GOP elite are salivating over Christie and why he could be a dangerous opponent. But, I contend he doesn't want it enough to risk a loss and running in 2016 presumes an Obama win. A GOP win in 2012 means waiting 8 years instead of 4 and that's more than enough time to become a much less popular governor or screw up his golden boy status.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:34:30pm |
re: #213 albusteve
I'm way beyond that...thanks anyway
An analogy:
Sometimes you are like a shot of hot sauce, painful but stimulating.
Other times like a mosquito.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:34:58pm |
re: #217 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
What fat civil service pensions?
The [evil teachers] one that left my father barely able to pay all his bills in old age, after a career of taking pay cuts to compensate for them later?
Those? lol
why do you label teachers as evil?...that ain't right
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:35:33pm |
re: #1 Atlas Fails
re: #206 compound idaho
Mrs Compound used to do retail. Never never again.
I came to hate it, and I will ensure I don't need to go back to it. But I need to close a major deal to end this month right and the end of the fiscal year has everyone very busy. The deals are in the works, I just need to get 'em done. I know I'll do it.
No ifs, no ands, no buts. I will succeed and my team will too.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:35:38pm |
re: #212 JasonA
Oh no, that work I was talking about was with a wholesaler. I had to deal with clients, who were small businesses, and vendors, who were bigger corporations.
Business to business beats the shit out of retail. I would say 20% of the people that walked through Mrs. Compounds doors had no intention of paying. (medical prof.)
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:36:09pm |
re: #221 albusteve
why do you label teachers as evil?...that ain't right
I don't. But public teachers are today's Emmanuel Goldstein.
Eeeeevil!
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:36:25pm |
re: #218 BishopX
Bibi is in it for whatever Bibi can get publicity wise and as a career after if he needs - setting himself up with the *right* sort of people, he's an asshole.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:36:38pm |
re: #220 Naso Tang
An analogy:
Sometimes you are like a shot of hot sauce, painful but stimulating.
Other times like a mosquito.
yeah...wondering why people dislike Christie is just like a mosquito...got it
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:37:21pm |
re: #137 makeitstop
He'd never get to sniff the nomination. He stood up for Muslims and has an actual informed opinion on Global Warming.
...but he won't actually do anything about it. So for all practical purposes, he might as well be a denier. And even if he's getting "points" for how he handled Hurricane Irene, it means precious little when he bows to pollutocrats who'll ensure natural disasters like catastrophic flooding will get exponentially worse.
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Coracle Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:37:56pm |
re: #221 albusteve
why do you label teachers as evil?...that ain't right
See, here, if you actually cared about productive discussion, you'd either concede the point, or make a counter argument or example defending your 'fat pension' rhetoric. Your sarcastic reply may be a little amusing, but is also dickish.
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Kronocide Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:23pm |
re: #224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't. But public teachers are today's Emmanuel Goldstein.
Eeeevil!
And Climate Scientists. And Democrats. And newspeople except for Fox/Limbaugh. And Al Gore. Lotsa Goldsteins out there to get your ooga booga on.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:30pm |
re: #218 BishopX
My WAG is that the 'Obama hates Israel' meme gained some traction in Israel, and people listening to Obama's speech realized it was bull shit.
Bibi has been doing weird shit with the US/Israel alliance.
He and Obama have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are conservative (not all of either are) that Netanyahu is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Obama. Since Bibi's perspective is a sane conservative one, though, I will always take his side over Obama's.
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SteveMcG Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:34pm |
re: #227 publicityStunted
...but he won't actually do anything about it. So for all practical purposes, he might as well be a denier. And even if he's getting "points" for how he handled Hurricane Irene, it means precious little when he bows to pollutocrats who'll ensure natural disasters like catastrophic flooding will get exponentially worse.
It doesn't matter where Christie stands on issues. We all know what the Republicans will do when they have power.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:38:49pm |
re: #211 compound idaho
Not my experience.
You run your own business? I'm jealous...I kind of always wanted to break out and work for myself..I spent 20 years working for the Man then in between going to the corporate world I spent hours thinking I'll just go out on my own...Never worked out...When Big brother called and offered me a check on the 15th and last day of the month and heath insurance.. It took 2 seconds to reply.. It is a great regret but heck I sit in a cube with headphones on all day working on my laptop..I'm not bitching...
/
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lawhawk Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:39:25pm |
re: #207 austin_blue
The poll results beg to differ:
The poll also asked whether respondents view Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, opposition leader Tzipi Livni and new Labor leader Shelly Yacimovich favorably.
Fifty percent said they viewed Netanyahu favorably and 45% unfavorably, while 5% did not know.
The prime minister did especially well among Likud voters, with 85% viewing him favorably.
He did better among Sephardim (67%) than Ashkenazim (41%).
Lieberman was viewed favorably by 47% and unfavorably by 46%. The immigrant from Kishinev in what is now Moldova surprisingly also did much better among Sephardim than Ashkenazim.
Yacimovich fared the best out of the politicians, with 56% seeing her favorably and 26% unfavorably. A relatively large proportion – 18% – had no opinion of her.
Livni was the only one of the leaders of the four largest parties who is viewed unfavorably by the general public. While Netanyahu, Lieberman and Yacimovich all had positive ratings, 39% viewed Livni positively and 50% negatively.
If an election were held now, Likud would remain the largest party, rising from 27 to 32 Knesset seats, Labor would rise dramatically from eight to 26, and Kadima would fall from 28 to 18.
If anything, the results indicate that Kadima is toast and that things are returning to a baseline of Labor/Likud being the two dominant parties. When Sharon founded Kadima, there was a shot at a 3d way, but Livni and Olmert killed the party.
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austin_blue Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:40:15pm |
re: #219 moderatelyradicalliberal
I'm not saying Christie couldn't win. He may not appeal to me, but I do see his appeal. He has a real everyday working man think going even as he pursues policies that fuck everyday working people over. Hell, that's the GOP's bread an butter. Using guys with regular guy schtick to make people forget they are actually working on behalf of the elite, like the Koch brothers. Romney on the other hand reeks of the top 1% elite. It's obvious who he really works. I know why the GOP elite are salivating over Christie and why he could be a dangerous opponent. But, I contend he doesn't want it enough to risk a loss and running in 2016 presumes an Obama win. A GOP win in 2012 means waiting 8 years instead of 4 and that's more than enough time to become a much less popular governor or screw up his golden boy status.
He's a walking Myocardial Infarction.
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:40:46pm |
re: #224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
From March, 2011:
Pensions a burden on states? Evidence fails to support claim
From state legislatures to Congress to tea party rallies, a vocal backlash is rising against what are perceived as too-generous retirement benefits for state and local government workers. However, that widespread perception doesn't match reality.A close look at state and local pension plans across the nation, and a comparison of them with those in the private sector, reveals a more complicated story. However, the short answer is that there's simply no evidence that state pensions are the current burden to public finances that their critics claim.
Pension contributions from state and local employers aren't blowing up budgets. They amount to just 2.9 percent of state spending, on average, according to the National Association of State Retirement Administrators. The Center for Retirement Research at Boston College puts the figure a bit higher at 3.8 percent.
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:40:53pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
You run your own business? I'm jealous...I kind of always wanted to break out and work for myself..I spent 20 years working for the Man then in between going to the corporate world I spent hours thinking I'll just go out on my own...Never worked out...When Big brother called and offered me a check on the 15th and last day of the month and heath insurance.. It took 2 seconds to reply.. It is a great regret but heck I sit in a cube with headphones on all day working on my laptop..I'm not bitching...
/
As someone once told me "If you work for yourself, you are sure to work for an asshole". So both good and bad.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:41:18pm |
re: #224 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I don't. But public teachers are today's Emmanuel Goldstein.
Eeeevil!
no, teachers are what they are in spite of what the GOP makes them out to be...they are addressed as states try to fight their way out of this mess we are in, same as with all former contracts...my mom taught 5th grade for close to fifty years...there are union/pension problems that need to be addressed...it's best for everybody when we can come to terms with affordable education at that level
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recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:41:30pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
He and Obama have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are conservative (not all of either are) that Netanyahu is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Obama. Since Bibi's perspective is a sane conservative one, though, I will always take his side over Obama's.
You'll always take the side of the leader of a foreign country over the leader of your own country? How patriotic of you.
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:42:25pm |
Steve, sometimes you are obnoxiously abrasive, well beyond what is tolerable. I understand it's what you have adopted as your virtual persona and I'll give you some points for faithfulness to that persona, but you aren't going to get any reaction but negative ones if that's all you have. Telling us our concerns are meaningless is, frankly, insulting. You have the same rights to speak your mind as the rest of us, but being abusive to us as individuals is also an abuse of the board.
Mellow out a bit when discussing politics, follow the same conventions the rest of us try to follow and the danger of being given a time out will probably drop.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:42:35pm |
re: #194 wozzablog
At present - unless Romney is nominee, who is behind in single digits to Obama, in all the Polls, even at his present levels of popularity the sitting POTUS wins going away.
I think Romney is artificially inflated right now. He's benefiting from his opponents being nuts. Nobody, not the media or his opponents, have really gone after him yet. And there is much to go after. Romney is a terrible politician, who's lost way more elections than he's won. I can't think of one principled stance this man had taken on an issue that lasted longer than one election cycle. He's utterly unlikable and untrustworthy. One paper he looks good, but in real life something is missing. He is a deeply flawed candidate, thus the ongoing search for the Great GOP Hope.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:30pm |
And since I've talked about how I will succeed, I'm going to play this next song for personal reasons. About a year after it came out, I lost a close relative. He was a good man who never broke the law, but he made some bad decisions and died too young. This sing had some elegy qualities in how I remembered him. So I'm going to post it as a reminder of someone I lost and my determination to do better than he did:
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:43:36pm |
re: #239 b_sharp
Steve, sometimes you are obnoxiously abrasive, well beyond what is tolerable. I understand it's what you have adopted as your virtual persona and I'll give you some points for faithfulness to that persona, but you aren't going to get any reaction but negative ones if that's all you have. Telling us our concerns are meaningless is, frankly, insulting. You have the same rights to speak your mind as the rest of us, but being abusive to us as individuals is also an abuse of the board.
Mellow out a bit when discussing politics, follow the same conventions the rest of us try to follow and the danger of being given a time out will probably drop.
derp
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:44:13pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
He and Obama have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are conservative (not all of either are) that Netanyahu is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Obama. Since Bibi's perspective is a sane conservative one, though, I will always take his side over Obama's.
You know some people might call unconditionally siding with a foreign head of state over your own a sign of a complete lack of patriotism.... just saying DF. (Half Sarc)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:44:21pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:02pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
He and Obama have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are conservative (not all of either are) that Netanyahu is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Obama. Since Bibi's perspective is a sane conservative one, though, I will always take his side over Obama's.
Always? Really? When liberals side with foreign leaders over the American president we are called unpatriotic.
IOKIYAR.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:45:34pm |
re: #240 moderatelyradicalliberal
I think Romney is artificially inflated right now. He's benefiting from his opponents being nuts. Nobody, not the media or his opponents, have really gone after him yet. And there is much to go after. Romney is a terrible politician, who's lost way more elections than he's won. I can't think of one principled stance this man had taken on an issue that lasted longer than one election cycle. He's utterly unlikable and untrustworthy. One paper he looks good, but in real life something is missing. He is a deeply flawed candidate, thus the ongoing search for the Great GOP Hope.
Basically, he's a politician.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:16pm |
re: #237 albusteve
no, teachers are what they are in spite of what the GOP makes them out to be...they are addressed as states try to fight their way out of this mess we are in, same as with all former contracts...my mom taught 5th grade for close to fifty years...there are union/pension problems that need to be addressed...it's best for everybody when we can come to terms with affordable education at that level
I know that, Steve.
The GOTP is perfectly capable of addressing unions/pensions without the scapegoating and absurd, confederate hysteria against anything with the word "public" or "government" attached to it.
2 years ago, we didn't hear peep out of the GOP dupes about "pensions" or "teachers". Yet, the dupes pretend they have always been this filled with rage.
Or firefighters, police, libraries, etc.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:26pm |
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:28pm |
re: #237 albusteve
The teaching profession overall suffered when other opportunities opened for bright young women. For all the wrong reasons, the best and brightest women only had opportunities as teachers. They are now becoming execs. engineers, and CEO's
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:31pm |
re: #243 jamesfirecat
///You know some people might call unconditionally siding with a foreign head of state over your own treason... just saying DF.
If I'll always side with America, but what I meant was that I see the world in manner far more similar to Netanyahu, so I accept his version of events over that of Obama. I would never act against my country.
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makeitstop Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:34pm |
re: #227 publicityStunted
...but he won't actually do anything about it. So for all practical purposes, he might as well be a denier. And even if he's getting "points" for how he handled Hurricane Irene, it means precious little when he bows to pollutocrats who'll ensure natural disasters like catastrophic flooding will get exponentially worse.
But my point was that his informed opinion is a problem with the TP base, just like his sticking up for a Muslim judge and mocking the Creeping Sharia mob. Hell, Perry is their dream date and they're busting his ass over immigration.
Christie's record - even if he wouldn't actually do anything to back up his public positions - would make the Teahadis very suspicious of him.
And I'm in total agreement with the rest of your comments. I was giving him points for the Hurricane Irene situation, but then I read about his song and dance for the Koch brothers. Knocked him right back down.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:44pm |
re: #232 HoosierHoops
You run your own business? I'm jealous...I kind of always wanted to break out and work for myself.
Everyone does. It has advantages, until something like 2009 happens.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:46:49pm |
re: #238 recusancy
You'll always take the side of the leader of a foreign country over the leader of your own country? How patriotic of you.
In groups/out groups. It's very jr. high.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:47:03pm |
re: #231 SteveMcG
It doesn't matter where Christie stands on issues. We all know what the Republicans will do when they have power.
THIS. A thousand times. The so-called "sane" Republicans will do whatever the base of the GOP and top 1% insist that they do. There really is no difference.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:47:17pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
If I'll always side with America, but what I meant was that I see the world in manner far more similar to Netanyahu, so I accept his version of events over that of Obama. I would never act against my country.
lmao
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:47:36pm |
re: #248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I know that, Steve.
The GOTP is perfectly capable of addressing unions/pensions without the scapegoating and absurd, confederate hysteria against anything with the word "public" or "government" attached to it.
2 years ago, we didn't hear peep out of the GOP dupes about "pensions" or "teachers". Yet, the dupes pretend they have always been this filled with rage.
Or firefighters, police, libraries, etc.
Does GOTP = God Offal Tea Party?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:48:06pm |
re: #235 jaunte
From March, 2011:
Twenty or so years ago some administrator put a big chunk of the Alabama Teachers' Retirement Fund into development of a half dozen or so Robert Trent Jones golfing resorts. Man needs a statue on one of them.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:48:49pm |
re: #248 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
I know that, Steve.
The GOTP is perfectly capable of addressing unions/pensions without the scapegoating and absurd, confederate hysteria against anything with the word "public" or "government" attached to it.
2 years ago, we didn't hear peep out of the GOP dupes about "pensions" or "teachers". Yet, the dupes pretend they have always been this filled with rage.
Or firefighters, police, libraries, etc.
yeah, suddenly it's like a new nuclear weapon...I'm not happy about any of it and am trying to not take sides....I have no clue what will become of all this
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Four More Tears Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:00pm |
re: #223 compound idaho
Business to business beats the shit out of retail. I would say 20% of the people that walked through Mrs. Compounds doors had no intention of paying. (medical prof.)
Heh. I'm not trying to say business to business is worse than retail. Not by a long shot. Cheap people are the absolute worst. As if I don't have to make a living too...
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:49:26pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:51:00pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
If I'll always side with America, but what I meant was that I see the world in manner far more similar to Netanyahu, so I accept his version of events over that of Obama. I would never act against my country.
In what regard do you see the matter of Israel/US in economic terms?
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:51:32pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
If I'll always side with America, but what I meant was that I see the world in manner far more similar to Netanyahu, so I accept his version of events over that of Obama. I would never act against my country.
Your words were badly chosen DF at the very least.
Though how would you have felt if I said the following?
He [Tony Blair] and Bush have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are liberal (not all of either are) that Blair is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Bush. Since Tony's perspective is a sane liberal one, though, I will always take his side over Bush's.
Would you have been okay with that?
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Interesting Times Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:51:43pm |
re: #252 makeitstop
And I'm in total agreement with the rest of your comments. I was giving him points for the Hurricane Irene situation, but then I read about his song and dance for the Koch brothers. Knocked him right back down.
That's just it (and I believe Obdicut has pointed this out before) - even the GOP candidates who appear "sane" at first glance are just extremists in moderate clothing. All of them - even Jon Huntsman - subscribe to Ayn Rand economics. All of them worship Koch. There is no other choice (unless you consider turd taco vs shit sandwich an acceptable set of options)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:07pm |
re: #261 BongCrodny
Dude, he's enormous.
Some leftists (though not most of them) attacked Christie for his weight back in 2009 and they ended up helping him. Go after his policies if you wish, but if you go after his weight you're just going to end up looking like an asshole.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:53pm |
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:52:57pm |
re: #250 compound idaho
The teaching profession overall suffered when other opportunities opened for bright young women. For all the wrong reasons, the best and brightest women only had opportunities as teachers. They are now becoming execs. engineers, and CEO's
Odd statement. My mother and every woman in my family who came before me had 2 career paths only: nurse or teacher. (Or in the case of my mother's family, preacher's wife. Turns out my mother was both, as well as ordained, herself.) Expanded opportunities for women does not mean a zero sum game for those professions; they're still a great career choices.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:53:01pm |
re: #260 JasonA
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.
-- Red Adair
Charge what the job is worth, not what the job costs to do.
-- (paraphrase) Red Adair
two of my favorites.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:53:45pm |
re: #263 jamesfirecat
Your words were badly chosen DF lets leave it at that and move on.
Though how would you have felt if I said the following?
He [Tony Blair] and Bush have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are liberal (not all of either are) that Blair is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Bush. Since Tony's perspective is a sane liberal one, though, I will always take his side over Bush's.Would you have been okay with that?
Blair was in favour of gay rights, but he was a lock'em all up, sell off everything, fight with the unions kind of guy.
Not a liberals liberal at all. The guy was and is scum.
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BongCrodny Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:53:48pm |
Fixed Link:
I wonder if that's the primary reason Christie won't commit to a Presidential campaign. The breathing problems aren't likely to get any better given the stress of a Presidential campaign.
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:53:51pm |
re: #267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Odd statement. My mother and every woman in my family who came before me had 2 career paths only: nurse or teacher. (Or in the case of my mother's family, preacher's wife. Turns out my mother was both, as well as ordained, herself.) Expanded opportunities for women does not mean a zero sum game for those professions; they're still a great career choices.
Agreed. It used to be the only choice.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:54:02pm |
re: #263 jamesfirecat
Your words were badly chosen DF at the very least.
Though how would you have felt if I said the following?
He [Tony Blair] and Bush have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are liberal (not all of either are) that Blair is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Bush. Since Tony's perspective is a sane liberal one, though, I will always take his side over Bush's.Would you have been okay with that?
They person I have become would accept that you agree with Blair on the point. I might not have accepted it back in 2004-2007. But I have grown.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:54:56pm |
re: #265 Dark_Falcon
Some leftists (though not most of them) attacked Christie for his weight back in 2009
Source, pls.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:55:32pm |
re: #269 wozzablog
Blair was in favour of gay rights, but he was a lock'em all up, sell off everything, fight with the unions kind of guy.
Not a liberals liberal at all. The guy was and is scum.
Blair was the first liberal politician that I could think of among the non American current or recent heads of state...
///Maybe I should have gone with the guy before the current guy in charge of Canada but being Canadian he (she?) didn't leave much of an impression.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:56:19pm |
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recusancy Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:56:19pm |
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BishopX Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:56:32pm |
re: #230 Dark_Falcon
He and Obama have very different views, especially on economics. I've always said to my family and friends who are conservative (not all of either are) that Netanyahu is "one of us" when it comes to economics and security. As such, he approaches things from a very different perspective than Obama. Since Bibi's perspective is a sane conservative one, though, I will always take his side over Obama's.
The thing is, economics has nothing to do with their differences. Yes, Netanyahu and Obama have different governing styles, and different economic policies (they also have wildly divergent economic situations), but none of that has anything to do with US-Israel ties. Our alliance with Israel isn't based on shared economic interests, it's based on mutual security interests. In terms of security policy has one of the most Israeli style doctrines in American history, namely the elimination of sub-national threats anywhere in the world without a big PR campaign.
The big, big difference in policy is that Bibi is getting things will get better for Israel without a sea change in policy while Obama is worried that they will get worse. So far I think Obama is closer to the mark.
The other huge issue is that fact that Netanyahu is trying to use GOP opposition to Obama to leverage US foreign policy. Which is rude.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:57:22pm |
re: #271 compound idaho
Agreed. It used to be the only choice.
Socons and other confederates need the government to start reenforcing that lack of choice again, even though they run around shrieking about individualism and liberty.
Otherwise, they cannot compete.
Lol I wonder who they think they are fooling.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:57:35pm |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
They person I have become would accept that you agree with Blair on the point. I might not have accepted it back in 2004-2007. But I have grown.
Well I'm glad to hear that you're capable of growth D_F, I don't exactly have a problem with people saying that they agree with foreign heads of state over our current one, it was the way you said you did it categorically that made me feel a bit queasy....
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jaunte Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:57:39pm |
re: #273 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Corzine did go for that approach:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:01pm |
re: #273 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Source, pls.
Actually, then Gov. Corzine ran an ad about Christie "trowing his weight around". The jab was obvious. But of course Barack Obama would never do that. Way too much class. Obama doesn't go for low hanging fruit like that.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 7:58:52pm |
re: #280 jamesfirecat
Well I'm glad to hear that you're capable of growth D_F, I don't exactly have a problem with people saying that they agree with foreign heads of state over our current one, it was the way you said you did it categorically that made me feel a bit queasy...
Sounded no different than Cynthia McKlanny's endorsement of Daffy, if you ask me.
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albusteve Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:00:30pm |
re: #267 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Odd statement. My mother and every woman in my family who came before me had 2 career paths only: nurse or teacher. (Or in the case of my mother's family, preacher's wife. Turns out my mother was both, as well as ordained, herself.) Expanded opportunities for women does not mean a zero sum game for those professions; they're still a great career choices.
and those are fine people....others before themselves, that just it
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compound idaho Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:20pm |
re: #279 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin
Socons and other confederates need the government to start reenforcing that lack of choice again, even though they run around shrieking about individualism and liberty.
Otherwise, they cannot compete.
Lol I wonder who they think they are fooling.
I was simply pointing out that now that women have more choices, more of the best and brightest are entering other professions. Don't know what you are talking about.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:01:57pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
If I'll always side with America, but what I meant was that I see the world in manner far more similar to Netanyahu, so I accept his version of events over that of Obama. I would never act against my country.
How about when Bibi lied by omission about Obama's speech ('67 borders with mutually agreed upon changes) and then took the exact same position soon after, did you side with him and take his version of events both times? Is your acceptance of reality that situational?
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b_sharp Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:05:43pm |
re: #274 jamesfirecat
Blair was the first liberal politician that I could think of among the non American current or recent heads of state...
///Maybe I should have gone with the guy before the current guy in charge of Canada but being Canadian he (she?) didn't leave much of an impression.
Jean Chrétien didn't leave an impression? He sure left an impression with Bush. GWB hated Chrétien.
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OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:07:59pm |
re: #285 compound idaho
I was simply pointing out that now that women have more choices, more of the best and brightest are entering other professions. Don't know what you are talking about.
I do. :)
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:25:09pm |
re: #92 lawhawk
I responded down below, but I'll repost:
e: #178 engineer dog
I could tell you that he did cut funding for education from his first year's budget, but not only increased funding for the current fiscal year - but exceeded the budget amount from over the amount allotted during the Corzine administration's last budget. Much of the dispute over funding had to do with Abbott district and its expanded funding formula for certain urban areas. [so the way the education funding looks, it went from what would be x, then x-10, to x+.05, for the final Corzine budget, Christie's first year budget, and then the current fiscal year budget]
The courts have an outsized role in education funding to the point where I think that they're unconstitutionally imposing themselves into the legislative process - because they continue to misread the constitutional requirement for a thorough and efficient education as requiring money that the state simply doesn't have in its budget.
Christie has gone to great lengths to try and put the state's structural deficits to an end and to get spending under control and with the pension deal, which includes payments into the funds that have been avoided for a couple of years, he has managed to get a lot done on that front.
How he did it antagonized the education unions quite a bit. There was and remains quite a bit of animosity there - and also against Democrats who ended up cutting the education funding deal with Christie.
His performance during the flooding following Irene and Lee has shown that he knows how to manage natural disaster mitigation - and showed he can take charge of the situation and make sure that state resources are available and deployed, which was a major improvement over the perception that he failed during the blizzard last winter (when he was on vacation in Florida at the time).
"getting spending under control" always sounds like a laudable goal, but the way it's been practiced lately it always seems to mean firing a lot of hard working people or cutting their work benefits rather than more cost-efficiencies or finding the money elsewhere
thus, in an era of historically high unemployment, republicans repeatedly recommend firing even more people, or cutting money promised to them
in any case, i repeat my contention that his appeal to the gop surely has little to do with budget issues, and everything to do with the appeal of the animosity (as you admit) he shows to school teachers
the fact that he was unable to manage these budget issues without engendering so much animosity that it has made him famous does not to my mind speak well for him as a leader
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palomino Tue, Sep 27, 2011 8:32:07pm |
re: #222 Dark_Falcon
re: #206 compound idaho
I came to hate it, and I will ensure I don't need to go back to it. But I need to close a major deal to end this month right and the end of the fiscal year has everyone very busy. The deals are in the works, I just need to get 'em done. I know I'll do it.
No ifs, no ands, no buts. I will succeed and my team will too.
Who are you, Tony Robbins?
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