Poseur Alert: Breitbart/CNN Commentator Dana Loesch Supported RomneyCare

Tea Party ‘pundit’ Dana Loesch explicitly supported Romney’s health care mandate in 2008
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It’s a funny thing. If you point out that a right-wing pundit lied, their fans don’t care. If you point out that they used extremist rhetoric, their fans don’t care. But if you point out that they’re unhip.…have mercy!

Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher wrote a snarky follow-up to my earlier post where he compared CNN contributer and Big Journalism editor Dana Loesch voting for Romney in a February 5, 2008 primary to a hipster having a Justin Bieber CD drop out of his pocket. Loesch, of course, freaked out and posted a response claiming she had “eaten Christopher’s lunch” because she only supported Romney out of her disdain for McCain. But Christopher updated his post to note that, in Missouri’s ‘08 primary, McCain was not Romney’s only opponent. In fact, McCain just barely beat out Mike Huckabee.

Of course, the point of all this from my perspective is to evaluate whether Loesch really lives up to her carefully constructed, money-making image as a rebellious tea party outsider. If she claims that the constitution is the most important thing to consider and that RomneyCare is unconstitutional, then it would be pretty bad if she actually ended up supporting Romney in 2008 despite recently claiming that she was “against him last election.”

But all of that is rather indirect. Because, as it turns out, Dana Loesch actually said on her blog that she supported RomneyCare. In her January 30 live blog of the Republican debate in California, here’s what Loesch had to say:

7:19 Is it just me or are they going after Romney tonight? I like Romney’s ‘pay your own way’ approach to healthcare. Now the debate is starting to sound like an exercise in conservatism. First time all night.

Seems bad enough already, but check out the full Romney quote Loesch was referring to:

With regards to my health care plan, let me describe what is the ultimate conservative approach. In this country, you have today about 47 million people that don’t have health insurance. We went out and tried to find out why they don’t. We found out that about half of them could afford to buy insurance if it were reasonably priced. They could afford to buy it, but they weren’t buying it. it? If we get sick, we can go to the hospital and get care for free.’ And we said: what? If somebody could afford insurance, they should either buy the insurance or pay their own way. They don’t have to buy insurance if they don’t want to, but pay their own way. But they shouldn’t be allowed to just show up at the hospital and say, somebody else should pay for me. So we said: No more free riders. It was like bringing ‘workfare’ to welfare. We said: If you can afford insurance, then either have the insurance or get a health savings account. Pay your own way, but no more free ride. That was what the mandate did.

So there you go. Radical, going-all-in-for-a-strict-interpretation-of-the-constitution tea party rebel Dana Loesch “liked” Romney’s healthcare plan and specifically the mandate, which she says is unconstitutional. And she’s now claiming that she never supported it.

So is it a lie? Here’s what Dana Loesch said in her most recent response:

I weighed RomneyCare against McCain-Feingold. And that’s ultimately what made my decision. I disliked both of them to the point where I almost just wanted to choke. And I ultimately decided that McCain-Feingold in that particular instance was worse.

I think socialism at any level is still socialism. I don’t buy the federalism excuse for RomneyCare. I think it was bad for business, it was bad policy. Say what you will. I spoke to Will Cain earlier this morning (who’s on CNN and I respect his opinion very much) and we politely disagreed. I think that it’s still socialism. You’re still penalizing people for not participating in the system. You’re still hinging their living in a state with their purchasing a product from the government and you’re penalizing them if they don’t. That’s a nationalized, in the case of Massachusetts, a state-run freedom-infringing health care plan.

Is it wrong to change your mind about an issue or a candidate later on? Of course not. But is it wrong to rewrite your own history to try to pretend that you never supported the thing you now point to as the epitome of all evil? You betcha!

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786 comments
1 wrenchwench  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 2:23:11pm

Welcome, hatchling.

2 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 3:28:19pm
a state-run freedom-infringing health care plan.

First of all, that above quote sounds so stupid. "Freedom infringing health care"? What the hell is that?
And this Confederate/Religious right/Randian Republican party, all scared of communism and socialism makes them look really ridiculous.
Americans are so far from being communists or socialists that many left wing Americans find themselves in agreement with self described British Tories on many issues!
I'll say it again BRITISH TORIES.

3 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 4:12:46pm

Wow. What a blatant liar.

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 4:24:01pm
I think socialism at any level is still socialism.

What a wise, informative observation.

5 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 5:55:23pm

hip is almost dead...anyone younger that 35 have no clue

6 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 5:57:00pm

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

What a wise, informative observation.

at least they didn't waste 2000 words on it

7 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 5:58:29pm

She is a frackin' psycho.

8 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:03:49pm

Changing your mind? That shows weakness. You cannot show weakness, that means you are weak. If you are weak, then... shut up that's why.

9 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:08:53pm

in that case...
some Taj Mahal

10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:08:53pm

re: #8 BigPapa

Changing your mind? That shows weakness. You cannot show weakness, that means you are weak. If you are weak, then... shut up that's why.

Unless you're a conservative who was a liberal before they were a conservative.

Then, when you're against what you were for, it's ok.

11 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:09:08pm

Wow ,,

Still early

BUT

The Atlanta Falcons ,, 14
The Undefeated and defending Super Bowl Champ Green Bay Packers ,,0

12 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:10:05pm

re: #11 sattv4u2

Wow ,,

Still early

BUT

The Atlanta Falcons ,, 14
The Undefeated and defending Super Bowl Champ Green Bay Packers ,,0

\


I've noticed....
GB can be beat

13 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:10:52pm

re: #10 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Unless you're a conservative who was a liberal before they were a conservative.

Then, when you're against what you were for, it's ok.

LOL!
priceless

14 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:11:09pm

Which is worse- signing a law that provides healthcare for all your citizens, or sponsoring a bill that limits campaign spending? Let's toss this one up to Free Market Jesus!

15 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:11:17pm

By the way, now that I'm promoting posts to the front page, I don't want any of you folks who've posted awesome LGF Pages in the past to feel slighted -- if you posted something you think is great and still relevant, don't hesitate to let me know.

16 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:11:34pm

Is it wrong to change your mind about an issue or a candidate later on? Of course not.

I hear that. I admit I did the same regarding our involvement in the (2nd) Iraq War, a new information (or rather, NO information) came in.....

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:12:46pm

re: #15 Charles

By the way, now that I'm promoting posts to the front page, I don't want any of you folks who've posted awesome LGF Pages in the past to feel slighted -- if you posted something you think is great and still relevant, don't hesitate to let me know.

I think there could be a special button for letting you know of the Lizards' opinion on whether a specific page deserves promotion.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:13:06pm

Well, the oven broke with two pans of brownies waiting to be cooked. The Princess walked her pan over to the BFF's house for cooking, and I decided to see if you can cook brownies in a slow cooker. Answer, yes, but they'll have a slightly different texture.

That's the good news. The bad news is that I'm forcing myself to sit through the Fischer speech. I will need the brownies.

19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:13:27pm

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

I think there could be a special button for letting you know of the Lizards' opinion on whether a specific page deserves promotion.

Kind of like the opposite of the report button?

20 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:13:45pm
I think socialism at any level is still socialism.

Deep.

21 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:14:10pm

re: #19 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Kind of like the opposite of the report button?

Well, there is the "recommend" option by pressing "!", but something more explicit would do the trick, IMHO.

22 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:14:21pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

Well, the oven broke with two pans of brownies waiting to be cooked. The Princess walked her pan over to the BFF's house for cooking, and I decided to see if you can cook brownies in a slow cooker. Answer, yes, but they'll have a slightly different texture.

That's the good news. The bad news is that I'm forcing myself to sit through the Fischer speech. I will need the brownies.

I'm on my way with the milk

23 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:14:28pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

I think socialism at any level is still socialism.

Derp.

FIFY

24 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:14:49pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Deep.

Dude.

25 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:15:35pm

The mandate was great until Obama and the Democrats supported it I guess is why Dana's against it now.

26 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:16:57pm
In 2002 Jonathon Keats held a petition drive to pass "A = A" as statutory law in Berkeley, California. Specifically, the proposed law stated that, "every entity shall be identical to itself". Any entity caught being unidentical to itself was to be subject to a fine of up to one tenth of a cent. The law did not pass.
27 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:17:14pm

re: #21 Sergey Romanov

Well, there is the "recommend" option by pressing "!", but something more explicit would do the trick, IMHO.

That's not the report button?

I never use it except for once by mistake on some poor person's post I was trying to upding from my dumbphone. Also found out, what has been reported can not be un-reported. Sorry, person!

28 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:17:47pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

The mandate was great until Obama and the Democrats supported it I guess is why Dana's against it now.

When it was a Republican thing, it was to encourage personal responsibility and prevent deadbeats from mooching off us hard workin' folks. Now that Obama supports it, it's Nanny State socialism. Duh.

29 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:17:56pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

OK, any bets on his favorite writer?

30 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:18:16pm

re: #27 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That's not the report button?

I never use it except for once by mistake on some poor person's post I was trying to upding from my dumbphone. Also found out, what has been reported can not be un-reported. Sorry, person!

some hilarity there eh?

31 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:18:40pm

re: #27 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

When you press that button on the page (not on comment) you can "recommend" it).

32 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:20:02pm

re: #31 Sergey Romanov

Ah, in Pages. I see.

33 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:20:59pm

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

OK, any bets on his favorite writer?

Ooohkay, doesn't seem to be a Randian, from his wiki.

34 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:21:37pm

re: #28 Atlas Fails

When it was a Republican thing, it was to encourage personal responsibility and prevent deadbeats from mooching off us hard workin' folks. Now that Obama supports it, it's Nanny State socialism. Duh.

Seems to be the case, yes.

35 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:21:49pm

re: #33 Sergey Romanov

And prolly a cool dude, at that.

At the same time that he was managing the Local Air & Space Administration, Keats started independently to produce pornography for God.[154][155]

36 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:22:20pm

re: #30 albusteve

The operator-errors from my dumbphone's autocorrect + lack of preview have been pretty funny.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:23:17pm

And you folks who are posting Pages -- don't forget to link your LGF account to your Twitter account in "Account Settings," so an automatic tweet is sent when you post something.

38 Altermite  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:24:08pm

re: #5 albusteve

Hip changes with the times. That's pretty central to the concept.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:24:40pm

I'm offended as a historian. 2 1/2 minutes in, and he's stating that our president needs to reject evolution because the founders didn't believe in it.

Seriously. Seriously this man believes that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have rejected evolution.

Ugh.

40 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:24:43pm

re: #29 Sergey Romanov

OK, any bets on his favorite writer?

I kind of get a Stanislaw Lem vibe from the proposed law.

41 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:25:20pm

re: #38 Altermite

Hip changes with the times. That's pretty central to the concept.

it has to catch up somehow

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:26:11pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

I kind of get a Stanislaw Lem vibe from the proposed law.

If I could give you 100 dings for Lem...

43 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:27:25pm

And ... if you have something you really believe should be on the front page, email me.

44 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:27:36pm

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45 albusteve  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:28:10pm

history began yesterday...
procede

46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:29:07pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

I'm offended as a historian. 2 1/2 minutes in, and he's stating that our president needs to reject evolution because the founders didn't believe in it.

Seriously. Seriously this man believes that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have rejected evolution.

Ugh.

"I do not believe in computers."
-- A. Hamilton

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:29:16pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

I was reading Newsweek last night on BART. Apparently a guy was served with a notice from the FDA to cease and desist producing sperm.

48 danhenry1  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:29:33pm

Has Anyone on lgf ever read or do any of you remember a pretty good and funny book from the early 70's, "A Childs Garden of Grass"?

49 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:31:58pm

re: #46 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

"I do not believe in computers."
-- A. Hamilton

"Beware of quotes you come across on the internet. They are often incorrectly attributed."

--Abraham Lincoln

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:32:23pm

He just stated that we need a president who believes in the same political values as the Founding Fathers.

I'm starting to wish that he would define Founding Fathers with some names, because a large number of the signers from the South were supporters of slavery. Hamilton, who was an excellent Secretary of the Treasury, would have happily started a monarchy or at the least an aristocracy here in the US.

51 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:32:56pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

I'm offended as a historian. 2 1/2 minutes in, and he's stating that our president needs to reject evolution because the founders didn't believe in it.

Seriously. Seriously this man believes that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have rejected evolution.

Ugh.

Yeah I agree with you there. It's all silly since as you and I both know both men were dead by the time Darwin wrote "On the Origin of Species" and heck most of the founders were dead by the time Darwin was even born. I too think they would have embraced evolution given that both men were eager to embrace the new ideas of the times.

52 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:34:46pm

I have to admit I get irked when people lump the founders as a monolithic group. You had people with opinions ranging from Hamilton to Paine and a lot in between. And let's not forget that there were founders like Patrick Henry and others who opposed the idea of the Constitution in the first place and were very much content to keep the Articles of Confederation in place.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:35:26pm

re: #39 EmmmieG

I'm offended as a historian. 2 1/2 minutes in, and he's stating that our president needs to reject evolution because the founders didn't believe in it.

Seriously. Seriously this man believes that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson would have rejected evolution.

Ugh.

Interesting note on that. Apparently Jefferson and Franklin were quite interested in mastodon fossils. As was Washington, who normally gets less credit for being into that sort of thing.

54 garhighway  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:36:17pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I have to admit I get irked when people lump the founders as a monolithic group. You had people with opinions ranging from Hamilton to Paine and a lot in between. And let's not forget that there were founders like Patrick Henry and others who opposed the idea of the Constitution in the first place and were very much content to keep the Articles of Confederation in place.

Those who have a founders fetish are more in love with the IDEA of the founders than they are with the founders as actual human beings.

55 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:36:26pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

He just stated that we need a president who believes in the same political values as the Founding Fathers.

I'm starting to wish that he would define Founding Fathers with some names, because a large number of the signers from the South were supporters of slavery. Hamilton, who was an excellent Secretary of the Treasury, would have happily started a monarchy or at the least an aristocracy here in the US.

I've noticed "founding fathers" is an upside-down two minutes hate, for the crazies.

56 windsagio  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:36:31pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

you mean there isn't an aristocracy in the US?!?

57 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:36:47pm

re: #49 Atlas Fails

"Beware of quotes you come across on the internet. They are often incorrectly attributed."

--Abraham Lincoln

Meh. Lincoln probably used 8086 max anyway, what would he know.

58 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:37:28pm

He's started his attack on the Islam religion with "Our Muslim friends..."

Wheeling right into an attack on Islam.

Nice.

59 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:39:17pm

re: #49 Atlas Fails

"Beware of quotes you come across on the internet. They are often incorrectly attributed."

--Abraham Lincoln

"Rule 34, no exceptions."

--Betsy Ross

60 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:39:25pm

re: #57 Sergey Romanov

Meh. Lincoln probably used 8086 max anyway, what would he know.

"I'm telling you, there's NO WAY the Founding Fathers would have preferred Macs over PCS."

61 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:40:04pm

The Founders would have preferred Coke over Pepsi in the cola wars.

62 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:40:56pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

"Rule 34, no exceptions."

--Betsy Ross

"I'm in your base, killing your d00ds."

General Washington, after attacking the Hessians under cover of darkness.

63 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:41:15pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Oh Objectivists you, so silly, don't ever change.

64 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:41:21pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

The Founders would have preferred Coke over Pepsi in the cola wars.

But not New Coke, I would hope.

65 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:41:26pm

I think I'm picking up on a distinct Obama = Muslim vibe here.

66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:42:05pm

re: #65 EmmmieG

Is he on television, or is this a stream?

67 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:42:09pm

In anticipation of our interstate highway system THE debate of the day between the founders was whether we should drive on the left or on the right side of the road!

68 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:42:44pm

re: #62 Obdicut

I love the pencil tool. :)

69 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:43:00pm

re: #66 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Is he on television, or is this a stream?

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

Homosexuality gets it in part II.

70 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:43:51pm

You'll need some brownies to get you through it.

Cookies will do in a pinch.

71 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:46:25pm

re: #62 Obdicut

"I'm in your base, killing your d00ds."

General Washington, after attacking the Hessians under cover of darkness.

The Hessians invented spawn camping as a tactic. It was fully within the rules of war for Washington to pwn them like n00bs.

72 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:46:32pm

Funny how that happens. Obama is a Muslim hitlerhitlerhitler Osama bin Stalin. And yet all those buttocksholes are still free to spout their contents.

73 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:46:32pm

re: #70 EmmmieG

Ahh, sat through many such a sermonette.

I'll take you up on the brownies and cookies, though!

74 Atlas Fails  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:47:04pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

In anticipation of our interstate highway system THE debate of the day between the founders was whether we should drive on the left or on the right side of the road!

Sadly, these fake debates are no less stupid than "THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD NEVER HAVE VOTED FOR OBAMACARE!!!" If you have a real a argument, use it. If not, please stop speculating what a large group of long-dead men who couldn't agree that slavery was bad might think. There are legitimate gripes against the ACA, but the FF argument is not one of them.

75 Lidane  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:47:51pm

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

76 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:48:25pm

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

Funny how that happens. Obama is a Muslim hitlerhitlerhitler Osama bin Stalin. And yet all those buttocksholes are still free to spout their contents.

A fine testament to the first amendment. Which they think is supposed to be only for themselves.

77 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:48:30pm

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

Somebody should break the joyful news to them...

78 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:48:49pm

I still remember debating Paul supporters on facebook. I said listen you have no way of knowing that George Washington would advocate isolationism in 2008 because the world is a different one than that of the 1790's. And I of course got called a sheep for that.

79 KingKenrod  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:49:31pm

So Loesch's support of RomneyCare amounts to one comment while live-blogging a debate, and it was a comment directed towards Romney's own inaccurate, very conservative description of RomneyCare?

80 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:49:35pm

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

rotfl

81 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:49:45pm

re: #62 Obdicut

I'm in your base, killing your d00ds.

General Washington, after attacking the Hessians under cover of darkness.

"You fucked up... you trusted us!"

--Adolf Hitler.

82 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:49:48pm

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

George Soros is lurking there somewhere too right. Larry Klayman is such a jackass. I will never forgive that fool after he sued my hometown for having a day labor site.

83 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:50:41pm

re: #79 KingKenrod

His description of RomneyCare that included the mandate, which Loesch is now decrying as unconstitutional.

I dunno, maybe she just loves unconstitutional shit.

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:50:52pm

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

All I'm saying is this is further proof of my "Obama Has a TARDIS" Theory.

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:51:01pm

And on that note, the long quiet (and itchy) drive home beckons

86 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:51:25pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

It's a good thing France didn't take an isolationist view, or we wouldn't have become free from England. Or at least it would have been a hell of a lot bloodier.

87 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:51:51pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

Itchy?

88 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:53:12pm

re: #86 Obdicut

It's a good thing France didn't take an isolationist view, or we wouldn't have become free from England. Or at least it would have been a hell of a lot bloodier.

The Spanish helped us out too some I believe. The other interesting thing I heard was the first foreign power to recognize the American republic was Morocco. Pretty interesting stuff in light of the anti Muslim bullshit.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:53:20pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I was reading Newsweek last night on BART. Apparently a guy was served with a notice from the FDA to cease and desist producing sperm.

His prospects came to a halt in September 2010, when FDA agents knocked on the door of his 700-square-foot bachelor pad. They interviewed him in his bedroom, and collected medical records and other material related to how he “recovers and distributes semen,” according to the FDA investigation. The tone was cordial, Arsenault recalls. He even wrote a thank-you letter to the agency, complimenting “the professional and courteous attitude” of its agents.

But the following month, there came another knock on the door, this time from local police delivering an FDA order to “cease manufacture” of sperm, the first such order leveled against an individual citizen, according to a search of government records. Per the order, the agency considers Arsenault to be essentially a one-man sperm bank, referring to him as a “firm,” and alleging that he “does not provide adequate protections against communicable diseases.” If he engages in the “recovery, processing, storage, labeling, packaging, or distribution” of sperm, he faces a $100,000 fine and a year in prison. “I saved the FDA letter,” Arsenault says. “It may be worth something someday on eBay.”

90 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:53:35pm

re: #71 The Ghost of a Flea

The Hessians invented spawn camping as a tactic. It was fully within the rules of war for Washington to pwn them like n00bs.

It's a little known fact that Meriweather Lewis performed the first rocket jump.

91 bratwurst  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:53:38pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

George Soros is lurking there somewhere too right. Larry Klayman is such a jackass. I will never forgive that fool after he sued my hometown for having a day labor site.

Actually, Klayman left Judicial Watch some time ago. Naturally, the parting was far from amicable and resulting in a legal action. I'll never forget reading the hilarious headline given to a blurb about Klayman's suit against Judicial Watch:

"Was It Inevitable?"

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:54:22pm

re: #58 EmmmieG

He's started his attack on the Islam religion with "Our Muslim friends..."

Wheeling right into an attack on Islam.

Nice.

"We ****ing HATE our Muslim friends, and believe that they are out to get us."

93 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:54:29pm

re: #91 bratwurst

Actually, Klayman left Judicial Watch some time ago. Naturally, the parting was far from amicable and resulting in a legal action. I'll never forget reading the hilarious headline given to a blurb about Klayman's suit against Judicial Watch:

"Was It Inevitable?"

Oh I thought he was still with them. Anyhow Judical Watch is a load of crap.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:54:51pm

Gaaaahhhh...

We've reached the fact that baseball has saved America.

They sing "Jerusalem" before rugby. Does that protect England?

95 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:54:59pm

re: #79 KingKenrod

So Loesch's support of RomneyCare amounts to one comment while live-blogging a debate, and it was a comment directed towards Romney's own inaccurate, very conservative description of RomneyCare?

I'd say, write Dana and ask her. She's the one saying that the freedom-impinging healthcare plan is still socialism, all while making excuses for having endorsed it. She sounds confused as ever, to me.

96 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:55:34pm

"We don't hate Muslims. We just think they should have no religious liberty under the law just like we don't hate gays, we just think they should be forced into straight therapy and be bullied for being gay."

97 KingKenrod  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:55:53pm

re: #83 Obdicut

His description of RomneyCare that included the mandate, which Loesch is now decrying as unconstitutional.

I dunno, maybe she just loves unconstitutional shit.

I think Loesch is saying RomneyCare was constitutional, but still a bad idea because it is a socialistic solution. That's how I read it. The reference to "federalism" arguments refers to supporters of RomneyCare arguing that the state mandate is a legitimate exercise of state power (thus an "excuse" for it).

98 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 6:59:22pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

"We don't hate Muslims. We just think they should have no religious liberty under the law just like we don't hate gays, we just think they should be forced into straight therapy and be bullied for being gay."

"We want this for them, because we love them."

99 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:00:05pm

re: #86 Obdicut

It's a good thing France didn't take an isolationist view, or we wouldn't have become free from England.

And we'd all be speaking English today.
/

100 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:00:41pm

re: #97 KingKenrod

I think Loesch is saying RomneyCare was constitutional, but still a bad idea because it is a socialistic solution. That's how I read it. The reference to "federalism" arguments refers to supporters of RomneyCare arguing that the state mandate is a legitimate exercise of state power (thus an "excuse" for it).

The quote:

I like Romney’s ‘pay your own way’ approach to healthcare. Now the debate is starting to sound like an exercise in conservatism. First time all night.

That sure doesn't sound like she was calling it a "bad idea."

101 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:00:43pm

That was a beautiful Tribute to Al Davis during Half time.. They spoke of his good side and his bad side.. Fair and balanced..
RIP AL... May you have season tickets on the 50 yard line for eternity you crazy F*ck

102 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:02:07pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

That was a beautiful Tribute to Al Davis during Half time.. They spoke of his good side and his bad side.. Fair and balanced..
RIP AL... May you have season tickets Personal Seat Licenses on the 50 yard line for eternity you crazy F*ck

103 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:04:30pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

lol, love ya Hoops!

104 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:05:04pm

re: #99 makeitstop

And we'd all be speaking English today.
/

That would be such a travesty.

105 KingKenrod  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:05:14pm

re: #100 Charles

The quote:

That sure doesn't sound like she was calling it a "bad idea."

And that was after Romney spent about a minute blustering about free-loaders and no more free rides. It's the kind of thing any conservative would swoon over.

106 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:07:58pm

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

Glenn Beck was bleating about that. Some people who worked for groups loosely affiliated with ACORN have been reportedly lurking around.

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:08:40pm

Totally OT--last winter I donated blood, and then the next day came down with a bad cold, or flu, or something that was going around. I immediately called the Red Cross line and reported this.

Life went on.

One or two donations later (it's been a bad year for me, iron-wise), I get a letter from the Red Cross, asking to use that blood in a study about flu virus in the blood stream.

Two things:

a. You still have it? That's some serious pack-ratting.

b. There are people who would say no? I'm pretty sure that the Red Cross isn't planning on using my blood to make mutant monsters, and I'm pretty sure that anyone who believes that the Red Cross is evil doesn't donate in the first place.

Random thought. Way longer than 140 characters.

108 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:09:24pm

re: #105 KingKenrod

And that was after Romney spent about a minute blustering about free-loaders and no more free rides. It's the kind of thing any conservative would swoon over.

Are there enough freeloaders to fill a bus?

109 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:09:50pm

Koskidz looking for more right wing instigators.....
BREAKING: Did Fox & Geraldo STAGE Negative #OWS Event, Sure looks like it.
Did FOX & GERALDO STAGE THIS EVENT? to make #OWS look bad?


I don't think it's a parody.
110 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:10:32pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Koskidz looking for more wight wing instigators...
BREAKING: Did Fox & Geraldo STAGE Negative #OWS Event, Sure looks like it.
Did FOX & GERALDO STAGE THIS EVENT? to make #OWS look bad?

[Video]
I don't think it's a parody.

Nothing is past Geraldo.

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:11:45pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

Nothing is past Geraldo.

I read somewhere that the crowd was chanting "the mustache is fake!"

112 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:12:37pm

re: #110 EmmmieG

Nothing is past Geraldo.

That's why I had to watch the video first. The footage he staged in Libya should have been a much bigger story. It was outrageously bad.

113 StillAMarine  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:13:07pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

You mean to say that Glenn Beck is still lurking around? Just when I thought it was safe to turn on the radio or TV.

Guess I will just keep my radio tuned only to WCPE, the Classical Station.

114 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:14:50pm

re: #113 StillAMarine

You mean to say that Glenn Beck is still lurking around? Just when I thought it was safe to turn on the radio or TV.

Guess I will just keep my radio tuned only to WCPE, the Classical Station.

He still has his website. Even the wingnuts largely ignore him these days but he still cooks up the occasional story that will make the rounds on right wing blogs.

115 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:17:14pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Maybe he's the one pre-planning those speeches. //

116 boxhead  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:18:32pm

howdy all....

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:19:16pm

re: #101 HoosierHoops

Yeah. I thought that was cool. Never been a fan of "Celebrate everyone who's dead as if they're being canonized."

118 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:22:22pm

Just for the record, if you try to cook brownies in the slow cooker, they won't be done in the middle, even after two hours.

Just so you know, in case of an emergency.

119 boxhead  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:23:17pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. I thought that was cool. Never been a fan of "Celebrate everyone who's dead as if they're being canonized."

To be fair, Al Davis has a huge legacy with professional football. It is not unreasonable to say that the NFL would not exist without the actions of Al Davis.

120 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:24:33pm

I just picked up Benny Morris Righteous Victims at the book store. Seemed like a good book to look deeper into the recent history of Israel.

About as good as a book looks in the used book store anyway.

121 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:26:06pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Apropos of nothing:


Image: tumblr_lsgugdlK071r3h1ydo1_500.jpg

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:29:24pm

re: #121 Obdicut

Apropos of nothing:

Image: tumblr_lsgugdlK071r3h1ydo1_500.jpg

Devil dog

123 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:30:45pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah. I thought that was cool. Never been a fan of "Celebrate everyone who's dead as if they're being canonized."

I have a Raiders Story for you.. Back around 1980 I went TDY to Alameda for I dunno a year or something.. Well in those days the Raiders practice field was on Bay Farm Island in Alameda.. The Government rented us a cool place on Highland drive.. ( FU haters...:)
So my wife took a part time job working at a fancy wine and liquer place on the Island... She started telling me stories of meeting all the Raiders first thing in the morning..I didn't nor could hardly believe her..
But sure enough one day I got up and went to work with her and just hung out when all these Players would stop in and buy a pint at 7:30am...
You know those were the days of the beginning of Coke in sports...None of those guys needed a cup of coffee at 7:30..

124 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:36:12pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

Well, the oven broke with two pans of brownies waiting to be cooked. The Princess walked her pan over to the BFF's house for cooking, and I decided to see if you can cook brownies in a slow cooker. Answer, yes, but they'll have a slightly different texture.

That's the good news. The bad news is that I'm forcing myself to sit through the Fischer speech. I will need the brownies.

I made stuffed cabbage in the pressure cooker. I'm still calibrating this new one, and it's the first time that I used it for stuffed cabbage, so, 50 minutes is too long.

Still, it is better than using the microwave.

125 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:36:48pm

Ok, I just checked the score on the Packers/Falcons. What on god's green earth is going on in Atlanta? TD & Safety following the kickoff. I'm presuming?

126 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:37:08pm

OWS education
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

[Link: www.daylife.com...]
I'm pretty sure breaking out of your handcuffs will get you extra charges.

127 calochortus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:39:08pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

Well, the oven broke with two pans of brownies waiting to be cooked. The Princess walked her pan over to the BFF's house for cooking, and I decided to see if you can cook brownies in a slow cooker. Answer, yes, but they'll have a slightly different texture.

That's the good news. The bad news is that I'm forcing myself to sit through the Fischer speech. I will need the brownies.

Well, gah. I had to go listen to this speech myself. Aside from being a nasty piece of work, I don't think he's read the New Testament lately. When he goes on about taxes confiscating people's wealth, he seems to neglect the "render unto Caesar" teaching. And I don't recall a single Biblical injunction against government helping the poor.
But, his audience was enthusiastic...

128 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:39:54pm

re: #124 Alouette

I made stuffed cabbage in the pressure cooker. I'm still calibrating this new one, and it's the first time that I used it for stuffed cabbage, so, 50 minutes is too long.

Still, it is better than using the microwave.

Never been able to get myself to use one. Pure paranoia for no good reason, I know that intellectually. But I just can't stand to even have one in the house.

129 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:40:22pm

re: #127 calochortus

Well, gah. I had to go listen to this speech myself. Aside from being a nasty piece of work, I don't think he's read the New Testament lately. When he goes on about taxes confiscating people's wealth, he seems to neglect the "render unto Caesar" teaching. And I don't recall a single Biblical injunction against government helping the poor.
But, his audience was enthusiastic...

I've never really picked up on that much...hostility...in the New Testament.

130 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:40:37pm

Fire up the grill.

131 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:42:26pm

re: #128 wlewisiii

Never been able to get myself to use one. Pure paranoia for no good reason, I know that intellectually. But I just can't stand to even have one in the house.

I have been using a pressure cooker for 40 years. Just got myself a new one. It is totally awesome.

I will never forget my neighbor, whose husband came home from work and said "What's this thing jiggling on the stove" and removed the pressure valve! Beef stew on the ceiling!

132 calochortus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:42:41pm

re: #129 EmmmieG

I've never really picked up on that much...hostility...in the New Testament.

Maybe you're reading the wrong translation?

133 calochortus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:43:20pm

re: #131 Alouette

Ooops!

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:43:56pm

re: #130 BigPapa

Fire up the grill.

Where? Where?

(Looks around for troll.)

135 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:44:05pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

From the same page:

Image: 610x.jpg

Photomining daylife pics is fun!

136 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:45:06pm

re: #132 calochortus

Maybe you're reading the wrong translation?

Yeah, mine contains stuff about loving everyone and not throwing rocks.

Must be a mistranslation.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:47:42pm

re: #131 Alouette

I was pressure cooking green beans once and forgot to put on the jiggly thingy.

Steam cleaned the ceiling.

138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:49:02pm

re: #127 calochortus

Your post got me to thinking.

No wonder they see violence, hate, murder, etc in the Qur'an -- that's how they use their own holy book. If they were Hindus, they'd use the Gita in the same way. If Zoroastrians, the Zend Avesta in the same way. Etc.

139 calochortus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:49:20pm

re: #136 EmmmieG

Yeah, mine contains stuff about loving everyone and not throwing rocks.

Must be a mistranslation.

Yeah, where's the fun in being kind and forgiving?

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:49:50pm

AdamSerwer

Bummer [Link: img.ly...]

141 calochortus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:50:11pm

re: #138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Your post got me to thinking.

No wonder they see violence, hate, murder, etc in the Qur'an -- that's how they use their own holy book. If they were Hindus, they'd use the Gita in the same way. If Zoroastrians, the Zend Avesta in the same way. Etc.

Ya know, you've got a really good point there.

142 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:50:39pm

I went and looked it up.

It's a weighted pressure regulator. Not a jiggly thing.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:50:39pm

Bravo for the fact checking, Charles. Keep 'em honest.

144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:52:45pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Bravo for the fact checking, Charles. Keep 'em honest.

That was actually stlactivist, but you're right, it was cool of Charles to move it to the front.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:54:01pm

re: #130 BigPapa

Fire up the grill.

I've got the charcoal, but where is the troll?

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:54:27pm

re: #144 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

That was actually stlactivist, but you're right, it was cool of Charles to move it to the front.

Thank you for the correction.

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:54:29pm

re: #138 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Your post got me to thinking.

No wonder they see violence, hate, murder, etc in the Qur'an -- that's how they use their own holy book. If they were Hindus, they'd use the Gita in the same way. If Zoroastrians, the Zend Avesta in the same way. Etc.

Yep, a religious variation on the "If all you got is a hammer" trope.

148 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:55:08pm

I sense a disturbance in the force. Like a smelly parrot....?

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 7:57:31pm

re: #148 BigPapa

I sense a disturbance in the force. Like a smelly parrot...?

What's going on. I've got the charcoal ready, but I can't stay here all night. Where's the troll?

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:00:55pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Must be downstairs. I haven't got spy up so I haven't seen anything.

151 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:14:03pm

I have a pretty solid showing in the bottom rated comments today. Feels good, it's been quite a while since I've been so prominently featured there. Brings back the good old days.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:17:36pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

I've got the charcoal, but where is the troll?

God himself will provide the troll for the sacrifice, my son.

153 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:18:10pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

God himself will provide the troll for the sacrifice, my son.

Are you sure? I was pretty sure that Cthulu was up on the rota.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:19:22pm

re: #153 EmmmieG

Are you sure? I was pretty sure that Cthulu was up on the rota.

I just couldn't resist...D_F set it up perfectly. :)

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:19:40pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I have a pretty solid showing in the bottom rated comments today. Feels good, it's been quite a while since I've been so prominently featured there. Brings back the good old days.

Sometimes you just have to stand in and take your lumps in the service of what you believe. I thank you for doing that on OWS, Killgore. Your strength gives me strength.

156 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:20:39pm

Just testing...

157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:20:58pm

re: #148 BigPapa

Yeah, somethin ain't right.

158 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:21:20pm

re: #156 Charles

Just testing...

Something weird is going on, Charles.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:21:27pm

re: #157 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, somethin ain't right.

What? What are you looking at? TELL ME!!!

160 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:22:45pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I have a pretty solid showing in the bottom rated comments today. Feels good, it's been quite a while since I've been so prominently featured there. Brings back the good old days.

I like reading your links.. And you have been a stand up guy under attack...
Remember years ago you were linking to Neo-Nazis in Europe? How about all those great Tea Party Signs? Park 51 links? You go boy...
keep linking

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:22:46pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What? What are you looking at? TELL ME!!!

OK, that came out a little more frantic than it probably needed to.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:22:51pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What? What are you looking at? TELL ME!!!

This is bugging me, as well. Maybe I should turn on spy.

163 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:23:41pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What? What are you looking at? TELL ME!!!

I'm looking at SLActivist - 0 posts, 0 pages, joined today at 1:30?

164 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:26:36pm

One of the recently hatched lizards ..... with a substantial Karma deficiency if I may put it politely... Logged in about 20 mins ago.

But nothing funny. Maybe the right football team won today, I don't know.

165 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:27:56pm

Help me out. What does this name denote?

166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:29:21pm

re: #164 BigPapa

Yeah, just seems odd. No post history, just joined today, but has a front page post.

167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:30:35pm

re: #165 EmmmieG

Which name?

168 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:31:00pm

I invited St. Louis Activist to post at LGF -- he's been doing really good work fact-checking the Breitbart crowd at his blog:

[Link: stlactivisthub.blogspot.com...]

169 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:31:02pm

Oh My! I'm 7 posts away from 30,000! I have had the best time here Lizards...Thank you for putting up with me.. It has been my pleasure..

170 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:31:45pm

re: #167 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Which name?

Nebbermind. I went and checked it out myself.

171 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:32:02pm

re: #166 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah, just seems odd. No post history, just joined today, but has a front page post.

I noticed that, but what a good first post it was. Looks like good blog fu too.

172 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:32:48pm

Quit being paranoid lizardos! It's an awesome post.

173 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:33:08pm

re: #168 Charles

I invited St. Louis Activist to post at LGF -- he's been doing really good work fact-checking the Breitbart crowd at his blog:

[Link: stlactivisthub.blogspot.com...]

Sorry for the alarm -- just didn't look quite right.

174 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:34:09pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Quit being paranoid lizardos! It's an awesome post.

You talking about me?!?

//

175 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:35:00pm

re: #174 Gus 802

You talking about me?!?

//

They're looking at me. I just know it.

*hides her brownie*

176 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:35:09pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Quit being paranoid lizardos! It's an awesome post.

Oh it was a fine post. Just looked odd to me was all, since all of Charles's stuff is airtight.

177 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:35:13pm

re: #156 Charles

Just testing...

Ah. So you're the one that did it.

//

178 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:36:00pm

You know. Firefox is weird.

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:36:51pm

re: #174 Gus 802

You talking about me?!?

//

Nah Gus, you are pretty much spot on in my mind.

180 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:36:56pm

re: #171 BigPapa

I noticed that, but what a good first post it was. Looks like good blog fu too.

I left them a comment about Loesch and some other local whackjob on one of their posts. This crop of young cons is... smgdh.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:38:36pm

re: #173 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Sorry for the alarm -- just didn't look quite right.

Troll attacks like the kind LGF still sometimes gets can leave you a bit guarded at times.

182 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:38:43pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

Nah Gus, you are pretty much spot on in my mind.

I'm downloading a Firefox update and Spybot SD. Just came back from a short drive.

183 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:41:28pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Troll attacks like the kind LGF still sometimes gets can leave you a bit guarded at times.

Yeah and I was like, if it's not right, Charles is right here in the thread...how's he not gonna know something's up, so why say anything. Feh, it was just odd.

184 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:42:23pm

I better finish this downloading, updating and installing stuff. BIAB.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:42:39pm

And Green Bay comes back from being down by 14 points to win 25-14. Trailing by 14-6 at the half, they posted 19 unanswered points to win the game. When the Bears knock over the Lions tomorrow, the Packers will hold first place in the NFC North solely, rather than tied with Detroit.

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:43:13pm

re: #178 Gus 802

You know. Firefox is weird.

Just go download Chrome. You'll be glad you did.

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:46:07pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

And Green Bay comes back from being down by 14 points to win 25-14. Trailing by 14-6 at the half, they posted 19 unanswered points to win the game. When the Bears knock over the Lions tomorrow, the Packers will hold first place in the NFC North solely, rather than tied with Detroit.

Nope. Turkey Day will see two undefeateds play at Ford Field. I do think the Packers will win that day to but it will be close. I also think week 16 is probably when they'll let the Miami survivors pop the champaign corks.

188 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:48:00pm

re: #100 Charles

The quote:

That sure doesn't sound like she was calling it a "bad idea."

Lying, liar who tells lies, is caught lying.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:51:13pm

re: #187 wlewisiii

Nope. Turkey Day will see two undefeateds play at Ford Field. I do think the Packers will win that day to but it will be close. I also think week 16 is probably when they'll let the Miami survivors pop the champagne corks.

Not gonna happen. The Bears have a better defense than any the Lions have faced so far, and our offense, for all its problems is better than their defense. Detroit's undefeated streak ends tomorrow night. Believe it.

190 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:54:40pm

Well, I did finally make it all the way through watching The Road. It took most of the day, damn that's a harsh movie. I had to google some things afterwards. The thumbs were interesting, I like it that the movie didn't make everything so obvious.

191 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:55:48pm

re: #169 HoosierHoops

Oh My! I'm 7 posts away from 30,000! I have had the best time here Lizards...Thank you for putting up with me.. It has been my pleasure..

Hey and I just got to 7,777!

Well, uh, make that 7,778. /

192 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:56:41pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Not gonna happen. The Bears have a better defense than any the Lions have faced so far, and our offense, for all its problems is better than their defense. Detroit's undefeated streak ends tomorrow night. Believe it.

Heh. Two Words: Jay Cutler. //

$5 to the winners favorite charity?

193 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 8:59:26pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

I don't understand The Thumbs either.

194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:01:02pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Well, I did finally make it all the way through watching The Road. It took most of the day, damn that's a harsh movie. I had to google some things afterwards. The thumbs were interesting, I like it that the movie didn't make everything so obvious.

re: #193 BigPapa

I don't understand The Thumbs either.

Ok, I'm going to have to see this, now. You've made it sound too interesting.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:02:09pm

re: #192 wlewisiii

Heh. Two Words: Jay Cutler. //

$5 to the winners favorite charity?

Let me think about the bet. Money is still tight owing to my medical leave in August. But I can do it if it is stipulated that the loser has till the end of November to pay.

And as for Cutler, I'd just point that he has owned the Lions in every game he's ever played against them, with the only game he was in that Detroit won was a game when he was still with the Broncos in which he played less than a quarter. When he gets in a full game, the Lions get clubbed. Matt Stafford has a competent offense and they'll score, but not as often as they'll need to.

196 palomino  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:02:42pm

Loesch opposes RomneyCare because it forces people to "purchase a product from the [MA state] govt." My understanding was that the individual mandate was basically the same as ObamaCare.

Which means that no one is buying a policy or any other product from the govt. They're still buying it from private insurance cos., in accordance with govt. regulations. Big difference...is she too dense to see this? Or just totally disingenuous?

197 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:04:16pm

re: #193 BigPapa

I don't understand The Thumbs either.

It wasn't fully explained in the book either but there's a commune of non cannibals somewhere. The outcasts (those allowed to leave the commune) either cut off their own thumbs so they can't work or have them cut off as punishment for leaving. What a truly frightening world that dude created.

198 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:04:25pm

I need Stafford to do well tomorrow to redeem my decision for benching Ben Roethlisberger for him. Heh on a serious note. I like the Lions in this one because I think Detroit's d-line will be too much for Cutler and the Bears. Just my opinion as an AFC North fan. The two teams I respect most in the NFC North are the Bears and Packers, two teams that play in the elements which is better than playing in a dom.

199 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:05:16pm

re: #196 palomino

Loesch opposes RomneyCare because it forces people to "purchase a product from the [MA state] govt." My understanding was that the individual mandate was basically the same as ObamaCare.

Which means that no one is buying a policy or any other product from the govt. They're still buying it from private insurance cos., in accordance with govt. regulations. Big difference...is she too dense to see this? Or just totally disingenuous?

I'm guessing it's both.

200 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:06:42pm

re: #194 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

re: #193 BigPapa

Ok, I'm going to have to see this, now. You've made it sound too interesting.

Ok, I didn't give any spoilers in my response since it wasn't explained in the movie anyways but I won't continue to discuss the movie. I don't want to over hype it but I found it pretty troubling to watch.

201 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:07:47pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

I gotcha. The movie was extremely dark and icked me out but it was a good movie nonetheless.

Wifey is not allowed to watch it: she gets sniffles at trailers for sappy movies. The Road would wreck her for days.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:10:47pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Let me think about the bet. Money is still tight owing to my medical leave in August. But I can do it if it is stipulated that the loser has till the end of November to pay.

And as for Cutler, I'd just point that he has owned the Lions in every game he's ever played against them, with the only game he was in that Detroit won was a game when he was still with the Broncos in which he played less than a quarter. When he gets in a full game, the Lions get clubbed. Matt Stafford has a competent offense and they'll score, but not as often as they'll need to.

Ok, no problem. If the Bears win, I'll give a little extra to the food bank this week, if Detroit wins, you simply do something nice for someone sometime when you can.

For this game, I think Urlacher is the one to watch. If he can get to Stafford, Chicago wins. I don't think he'll be able to. I will say, the Bears are probably the best 2-2 team out there, better than most of the 3-2's.

I'll admit, someone at the NFL headquarters is a NFC North fan - the schedule stacked to put major conference games at the end of the season where they belong is really nice for a change. Now if the Vikings only hadn't won today. Of course, it could well be their last win... ;)

203 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:12:30pm

I'm removing the Google Plus One buttons from the front page but leaving them installed on the individual article pages. Discovered that every one of those buttons was loading 44K of Javascript code from Google, which means more than 400K for the front page. What up, Google?

You should notice a big speed improvement on the front page without those buttons.

204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:14:08pm

Herman Cain sidesteps q. on "Mormonism vs Christianity"*

[Link: www.politico.com...]

“I’m not running for theologian-in-chief,” the Republican presidential contender said

...

He told host Candy Crowley he knows Romney is a Mormon, but he wouldn't say whether that makes him a Christian.

“I am not gonna do an analysis of Mormonism versus Christianity for the sake of answering that. I’m not getting into that,” Cain said.

Pressed further about why he was "dodging" the question, he insisted it was a distraction.

“If that’s what it looks like," he said, "I’m dodging it because it’s not going to help us boost this economy.”

*false dilemma.

205 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:14:53pm

re: #203 Charles

I'm removing the Google Plus One buttons from the front page but leaving them installed on the individual article pages. Discovered that every one of those buttons was loading 44K of Javascript code from Google, which means more than 400K for the front page. What up, Google?

You should notice a big speed improvement on the front page without those buttons.

Interesting. I have been using them, especially on the pages, so I'm glad they've been there. Hope it's just a coding oddity that they fix soon.

206 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:16:07pm

re: #203 Charles

I'm removing the Google Plus One buttons from the front page but leaving them installed on the individual article pages. Discovered that every one of those buttons was loading 44K of Javascript code from Google, which means more than 400K for the front page. What up, Google?

You should notice a big speed improvement on the front page without those buttons.

Thanks.

207 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:17:20pm

re: #186 wlewisiii

Just go download Chrome. You'll be glad you did.

I was TRYING to start Firefox before. No dice. It was just sitting there in my Task Manager though. So, I killed it and tried it again. No dice. Meanwhile I fired up Safari which started up right away.

208 palomino  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:18:41pm

re: #204 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain sidesteps q. on "Mormonism vs Christianity"*

[Link: www.politico.com...]

*false dilemma.

By saying "mormonism vs. christianity" isn't Cain making it clear he thinks the former isn't part of the latter. I'm not a theologian, but then again I'm not running against Mitt Romney. He should have a better answer than "THE ECONOMY!"

209 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:20:11pm

OK, well, maybe it's just me. But I have the "auto" box checked for new comments; but I'm not getting new comments until a click the "new comments" box. I don't see a number in there, like I used to see the number of new comments. Clear the cache, reboot, reload, what? Actually reloaded and it did no good.

210 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:21:46pm

re: #208 palomino

By saying "mormonism vs. christianity" isn't Cain making it clear he thinks the former isn't part of the latter. I'm not a theologian, but then again I'm not running against Mitt Romney. He should have a better answer than "THE ECONOMY!"

So I'm sitting here thinking. What the hell does Mormonism and/or Christianity have to do with anything? Especially anything political. Why don't these guys shut up already about the religion and keep their religion to themselves and leave the other guy's religion (or non-religion) alone while they're at it.

Shut up about Christianity already Republicans!

211 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:22:49pm

Why you can trust me! I'm a ________ .

What a load. Yeesh.

212 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:27:18pm

We now pause for some Ink Spots...

213 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:30:20pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

OK, well, maybe it's just me. But I have the "auto" box checked for new comments; but I'm not getting new comments until a click the "new comments" box. I don't see a number in there, like I used to see the number of new comments. Clear the cache, reboot, reload, what? Actually reloaded and it did no good.

If you reload, is it working now? I've been messing with asynchronous Javascript loading but some browsers don't seem to like it. I removed it for now.

214 palomino  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:30:38pm

re: #210 Gus 802

So I'm sitting here thinking. What the hell does Mormonism and/or Christianity have to do with anything? Especially anything political. Why don't these guys shut up already about the religion and keep their religion to themselves and leave the other guy's religion (or non-religion) alone while they're at it.

Shut up about Christianity already Republicans!

It shouldn't be an issue, but the gop has become as much a church as a political party. Religion is all they can talk about, including Cain who advocated banning the building of mosques.

215 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:34:06pm

re: #214 palomino

It shouldn't be an issue, but the gop has become as much a church as a political party. Religion is all they can talk about, including Cain who advocated banning the building of mosques.

I know. It's annoying. They need to knock it off already. Enough! Stop! You know these guys are talking about these OWS consensus meetings as being weird. Hell, these GOP bible thumpers are 100X weirder with their constant religiousness and better than thou religious verbal wars they have with each other. We don't care. They don't need to use their religion to pretend they're honest. They're politicians now matter how you slice it. Anyone should be able to see through their BS no matter how much they advertise their religion.

216 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:34:39pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I have a pretty solid showing in the bottom rated comments today. Feels good, it's been quite a while since I've been so prominently featured there. Brings back the good old days.

Makes me want to downding you, for the heck of it!

217 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:36:01pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Quit being paranoid lizardos! It's an awesome post.

Wait, what, who's looking at us? Over where?

218 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:37:00pm

re: #208 palomino

By saying "mormonism vs. christianity" isn't Cain making it clear he thinks the former isn't part of the latter.

Indeed, he is.

219 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:37:41pm

re: #213 Charles

If you reload, is it working now? I've been messing with asynchronous Javascript loading but some browsers don't seem to like it. I removed it for now.

Seems to be working now.

220 boxhead  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:37:51pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

I have a pretty solid showing in the bottom rated comments today. Feels good, it's been quite a while since I've been so prominently featured there. Brings back the good old days.

had to upding you... heh

221 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:38:21pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

Wait, what, who's looking at us? Over where?

Skynet.

That and a bored state trooper.

222 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:39:33pm

Yeeehaaa!


Red Sovine - Freightliner Fever

I love this shit.

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:39:35pm

But, it's hip to be cool!

no?

How is everyone?

My email disappeared. I mean the icon on my macbook desktop. It's just gone. I can't find it anywhere. Now is the first time I've turned the laptop on all day.
My email also got hacked Saturday --people got all kinds of spam. I changed my passwords yesterday and now I have no email.

Still have checked thru the server directly. Am afraid to.

HELP!

224 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:39:50pm

Yep it's working fine now.

225 boxhead  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:39:58pm

re: #215 Gus 802

I know. It's annoying. They need to knock it off already. Enough! Stop! You know these guys are talking about these OWS consensus meetings as being weird. Hell, these GOP bible thumpers are 100X weirder with their constant religiousness and better than thou religious verbal wars they have with each other. We don't care. They don't need to use their religion to pretend they're honest. They're politicians now matter how you slice it. Anyone should be able to see through their BS no matter how much they advertise their religion.

you are right, people should see through it... but only is they want to..

226 boxhead  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:40:37pm

re: #223 ggt

evil hackers... a pox upon them

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:41:15pm

re: #210 Gus 802

So I'm sitting here thinking. What the hell does Mormonism and/or Christianity have to do with anything? Especially anything political. Why don't these guys shut up already about the religion and keep their religion to themselves and leave the other guy's religion (or non-religion) alone while they're at it.

Shut up about Christianity already Republicans!

About as much as Islam has, but the Whacko Christians see it is a race to theocracy. Atheism isn't in the running, I guess.

228 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:41:17pm

re: #202 wlewisiii

Ok, no problem. If the Bears win, I'll give a little extra to the food bank this week, if Detroit wins, you simply do something nice for someone sometime when you can.

For this game, I think Urlacher is the one to watch. If he can get to Stafford, Chicago wins. I don't think he'll be able to. I will say, the Bears are probably the best 2-2 team out there, better than most of the 3-2's.

I'll admit, someone at the NFL headquarters is a NFC North fan - the schedule stacked to put major conference games at the end of the season where they belong is really nice for a change. Now if the Vikings only hadn't won today. Of course, it could well be their last win... ;)

Urlacher is a game-winner, no doubt. But the crop of WRs Detroit fields means he's unlikely to be blitzing much. He and Lance Briggs are going to be more focused on short-to-medium pass guarding. But they are both masters of interceptions. That will make proper pass placement by Stafford even more important. If the Bears defense can make 1-2 big turnovers, the Lions' chances go way down. If the Lions' special teams leaving running room for Devin Hester, then Stafford will find himself behind the 8-ball quite swiftly.

229 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:41:31pm

LOL Those lyrics. Popping them pills.

230 blueraven  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:41:53pm

re: #222 Gus 802

Yeeehaaa!


Red Sovine - Freightliner Fever

[Video]I love this shit.

He sounds a bit like Junior Brown...or rather Junior sounds a bit like Red.

231 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:41:57pm

re: #223 ggt

But, it's hip to be cool!

no?

How is everyone?

My email disappeared. I mean the icon on my macbook desktop. It's just gone. I can't find it anywhere. Now is the first time I've turned the laptop on all day.
My email also got hacked Saturday --people got all kinds of spam. I changed my passwords yesterday and now I have no email.

Still have checked thru the server directly. Am afraid to.

HELP!

eh?
You should be able to find it with "finder", then look at your applications. Just drag it back to where you want it.

This happens to me all the time, I drag something accidentally out of my dock and it disappears. Until I find it. Using "finder". Or "Launchpad".

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:42:47pm

re: #215 Gus 802

I know. It's annoying. They need to knock it off already. Enough! Stop! You know these guys are talking about these OWS consensus meetings as being weird. Hell, these GOP bible thumpers are 100X weirder with their constant religiousness and better than thou religious verbal wars they have with each other. We don't care. They don't need to use their religion to pretend they're honest. They're politicians now matter how you slice it. Anyone should be able to see through their BS no matter how much they advertise their religion.

QFT!

233 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:42:49pm

re: #230 blueraven

He sounds a bit like Junior Brown...or rather Junior sounds a bit like Red.

Yep. The latter.

234 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:42:52pm

re: #220 boxhead

had to upding you... heh

Heh, I have made the top rated and bottom rated lists on the same day in the past. My proudest achievement as a Lizard.

235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:43:28pm

re: #214 palomino

It shouldn't be an issue, but the gop has become as much a church as a political party. Religion is all they can talk about, including Cain who advocated banning the building of mosques.

I find the whole thing fascinating.

Cain said he wouldn't appoint Muslims, etc. (which should make someone want to look into his hiring record as Mr. CEO but anyway...)

The SBC, at least Richard Land, gave him a mighty smackdown. You do not want mighty smackdowns from the SBC if you're running for GOP-anything.

The a-hole who made the news this week by calling Mormonism a "cult" is the SBC spokesman.

It's like watching which bunch of bigots can elbow-out all others, to get the bigot-contingent vote.

Dumb bigots...

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:44:35pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

eh?
You should be able to find it with "finder", then look at your applications. Just drag it back to where you want it.

This happens to me all the time, I drag something accidentally out of my dock and it disappears. Until I find it. Using "finder". Or "Launchpad".

YOU ARE SOOOO COOL!

Yep, it was there.

237 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:45:18pm

re: #232 ggt

QFT!

I can dream damn it! ;)

238 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:45:31pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

. But they are both masters of interceptions.

This is what I ment by getting to Stafford. Not blitzing - we've seen that fail enough these last few weeks to know he can handle that. But can they snatch them on him? That's da Bear's only real hope. Because otherwise he'll hang 21+ above their score on them. And if Cutler's own throws start going wild?

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:46:04pm

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I find the whole thing fascinating.

Cain said he wouldn't appoint Muslims, etc. (which should make someone want to look into his hiring record as Mr. CEO but anyway...)

The SBC, at least Richard Land, gave him a mighty smackdown. You do not want mighty smackdowns from the SBC if you're running for GOP-anything.

The a-hole who made the news this week by calling Mormonism a "cult" is the SBC spokesman.

It's like watching which bunch of bigots can elbow-out all others, to get the bigot-contingent vote.

Dumb bigots...

eh, around my part of the world brown skin people from the ME own most of the chain QSR's. Maybe he doesn't like the competition.

240 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:46:04pm

re: #210 Gus 802

So I'm sitting here thinking. What the hell does Mormonism and/or Christianity have to do with anything? Especially anything political. Why don't these guys shut up already about the religion and keep their religion to themselves and leave the other guy's religion (or non-religion) alone while they're at it.

Shut up about Christianity already Republicans!

That, in large part, was what Cain was saying; That a candidate's religious beliefs are not as important as the policies he intends to pursue. He's not going to take the anti-Mormon people head-on, since that would cost him votes, but he did make clear that he does not agree with them.

241 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:46:31pm

re: #235 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I find the whole thing fascinating.

Cain said he wouldn't appoint Muslims, etc. (which should make someone want to look into his hiring record as Mr. CEO but anyway...)

The SBC, at least Richard Land, gave him a mighty smackdown. You do not want mighty smackdowns from the SBC if you're running for GOP-anything.

The a-hole who made the news this week by calling Mormonism a "cult" is the SBC spokesman.

It's like watching which bunch of bigots can elbow-out all others, to get the bigot-contingent vote.

Dumb bigots...

Friend wrote this today, it about sums up how I feel about the whole politician's faith issue:

I think it is a farce that we pretend to really care if a politician is a truly faith filled person. We can barely get people into the churches, so all this blather about faith and politics makes me ill. Politics in general makes me ill. Faith is very personal to me, yet I would not wish to be considered a good employment candidate based on the fact that I might say the Rosary now and then. NYOB.

242 reine.de.tout  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:47:20pm

re: #236 ggt

YOU ARE SOOO COOL!

Yep, it was there.

Of course.
I am, after all, *ahem*, The Queen of Everything.
LOL.
That happens to me all the time.

243 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:47:29pm

re: #102 BigPapa

"That was a beautiful Tribute to Al Davis during Half time.. They spoke of his good side and his bad side.. Fair and balanced.."

I had heard all the stories about Al Davis, which basically said he was a real SOB when it came to business, but a genuine person nevertheless.
But when I saw him wear a white leather jump suit complete with white cape to a NFL owners meeting press conference (with the other owners wearing business suits) I knew that this guy was not the typical NFL team owner.

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:47:43pm

re: #241 reine.de.tout

Faith is very personal to me, yet I would not wish to be considered a good employment candidate based on the fact that I might say the Rosary now and then. NYOB.

EXACTLY!

I am leary of people who wear their faith "on their sleeve".

245 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:48:06pm

I just imagine if Cain had said the crap he's said about Muslims about Catholics or Jews. Those are two groups that got scapegoated largely too. It also amuses me that fundamentalist Christians like Cain and others bemoan the idea of separation of church and state when many of their religious ancestors came to country to get away from societies where church and state were linked. Britain had Anglicanism as its state religion and Presbyterians and Baptists and Methodists were heavily persecuted under that and in Germany the same went with non Lutherans or Catholics. Jefferson's famous letter regarding church and state was after all directed at a Baptist church. If I were a fundamentalist Christian, I'd embrace the separation of church and state rather than bemoan its existence.

246 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:48:41pm

re: #239 ggt

eh, around my part of the world brown skin people from the ME own most of the chain QSR's. Maybe he doesn't like the competition.

None of those bigots can stand any competition. That's why they all each hate other, along with the rest of us.

247 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:50:36pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

That, in large part, was what Cain was saying; That a candidate's religious beliefs are not as important as the policies he intends to pursue. He's not going to take the anti-Mormon people head-on, since that would cost him votes, but he did make clear that he does not agree with them.

Good. While I'm at it those other folks need to stop picking on Mormons. Seriously. They're in no position to be calling Mormons "weird."

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:51:19pm

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

That, in large part, was what Cain was saying; That a candidate's religious beliefs are not as important as the policies he intends to pursue. He's not going to take the anti-Mormon people head-on, since that would cost him votes, but he did make clear that he does not agree with them.

Well, no it shouldn't. But the reality is that among those who vote in the primaries, Mormons are further out there than Commies or even teh Gehy. They're all trying to find the tap dance that allows them to get primary votes without alienating too many sane general election voters. The problem for several of them is that they agree with the "cult" screeds and don't want to admit it in public. Hence things like Cain squirming like a toad.

249 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:52:52pm

re: #238 wlewisiii

This is what I ment by getting to Stafford. Not blitzing - we've seen that fail enough these last few weeks to know he can handle that. But can they snatch them on him? That's da Bear's only real hope. Because otherwise he'll hang 21+ above their score on them. And if Cutler's own throws start going wild?

They don't really need interceptions, just stop reduce the effectiveness of the Lions passing game. While I do not discount the Lions' ability to run the ball, they are stronger passing and the bears have a top-grade run defense. The Bears will need a number of batted balls and good QB protection. I am sure they'll get the former, and expect they'll get enough of the latter. I think they win by 10.

250 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:54:15pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Good. While I'm at it those other folks need to stop picking on Mormons. Seriously. They're in no position to be calling Mormons "weird."

Especially since evangelical Christians were once the weirdos of Christianity and persecuted. I guess that's what annoys me about modern Christian fundamentalists in this country is that they completely forget that they were once a persecuted minority in countries that had a powerful relationship between church and state. Instead though they blather how legalized abortion, gay marriage, etc is persecuting htem.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:55:31pm

re: #247 Gus 802

Good. While I'm at it those other folks need to stop picking on Mormons. Seriously. They're in no position to be calling Mormons "weird."

No their not, but I can say that I think the underwear thing is kinda weird. It is also, not really any of my business. It does kinda cross them off my list of possible faiths to convert to someday. . . .

252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:56:44pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I just imagine if Cain had said the crap he's said about Muslims about Catholics or Jews. Those are two groups that got scapegoated largely too. It also amuses me that fundamentalist Christians like Cain and others bemoan the idea of separation of church and state when many of their religious ancestors came to country to get away from societies where church and state were linked. Britain had Anglicanism as its state religion and Presbyterians and Baptists and Methodists were heavily persecuted under that and in Germany the same went with non Lutherans or Catholics. Jefferson's famous letter regarding church and state was after all directed at a Baptist church. If I were a fundamentalist Christian, I'd embrace the separation of church and state rather than bemoan its existence.

Well, Cain needs to be careful with that kind of crap, since the National Baptist Convention USA, where he has his ordination, is seen by some of those ignorant confederates he's trying to please as some black radical separatist tradition. I think this is why he's trying to disavow any connection to civil rights.

But yeah, separation is supposed to protect religion from the state. The ones bemoaning it have no way to manage a theocracy if they tried, not in this country where there's every religion under the sun. But then, that's WHY there's the separation in the first place.

253 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 9:59:32pm

re: #241 reine.de.tout

Friend wrote this today, it about sums up how I feel about the whole politician's faith issue:

"I think it is a farce that we pretend to really care if a politician is a truly faith filled person. We can barely get people into the churches, so all this blather about faith and politics makes me ill. Politics in general makes me ill. Faith is very personal to me, yet I would not wish to be considered a good employment candidate based on the fact that I might say the Rosary now and then."

I agree with her. Plus, Catholics know all too well what Protestant theocracy looks like, especially when Catholicism is the primary target. Not pretty.

254 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:00:12pm

re: #252 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, Cain needs to be careful with that kind of crap, since the National Baptist Convention USA, where he has his ordination, is seen by some of those ignorant confederates he's trying to please as some black radical separatist tradition. I think this is why he's trying to disavow any connection to civil rights.

But yeah, separation is supposed to protect religion from the state. The ones bemoaning it have no way to manage a theocracy if they tried, not in this country where there's every religion under the sun. But then, that's WHY there's the separation in the first place.

Didn't know that about the NBC. I agree though, separation is supposed to protect religion from the state which is why I think many religious intellectuals in the country's founding by and large embraced the idea since many of their own ancestors or they themselves had fled countries with a strong religious and state connection. A seminar I attended a few years back by a visiting professor from Baylor showed that nations such as ours that have no official state religion tend to have much more better church activity than those with one. Thought that was interesting personally.

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:04:12pm

re: #253 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I agree with her. Plus, Catholics know all too well what Protestant theocracy looks like, especially when Catholicism is the primary target. Not pretty.

In England, the reverse (Protestants as the target of a Catholic theocracy) is also true. Bloody Mary was equal to the task ahead of her... :(

There is no Christian denomination that does not have bloody hands. And, yes, I say that as an Episcopalian by choice.

256 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:04:33pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Especially since evangelical Christians were once the weirdos of Christianity and persecuted. I guess that's what annoys me about modern Christian fundamentalists in this country is that they completely forget that they were once a persecuted minority in countries that had a powerful relationship between church and state. Instead though they blather how legalized abortion, gay marriage, etc is persecuting htem.

You know. My first experience with Mormon was back when I was 16. We drove through northeastern Utah one summer and my folks and the rest of us thought, "wow, these people are nice." Assuming of course that they were Mormons. I don't like bigotry. Yet, people are bigoted against Mormons. Of course I have to add that I don't necessarily agree with them in many respects especially with regards to Prop 8 in California. But! They're not alone so why should I hate them any more for that?

257 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:07:41pm

And look at Huntsman. Yeah he's kind of a bonehead about things. Plays to the far right still. However, he's still the most reasonable or mainstream of the whole lot of them. He's the kind of guy you would want to have a beer with. And he's an ooga booga Mormon! OK, guess that nixes the beer.

258 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:10:45pm

re: #255 wlewisiii

There is no Christian denomination that does not have bloody hands. And, yes, I say that as an Episcopalian by choice.

I am finding that out during my research of Antisemitism in the late years of the Russian Empire. But yeah as a "cultural Catholic", I agree it seems that every demonation has some blood on their hands. Even the Quakers don't seem to be blameless since there were actually some Quaker sects in the second KKK and many Quakers in Pennsylvania were none too tolerate of the Catholic immigrants moving in to their state in the 1800's. Seems the tragedy is a persecuted person can end up doing the persecution later. And that's very true in the British Isles especially. I mean look at Cromwell, I hate the guy being part Irish Catholic but it is true that his religion was persecuted and what does he end up doing, he ends up being the worst persecutor of Catholics.

259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:11:32pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

A seminar I attended a few years back by a visiting professor from Baylor showed that nations such as ours that have no official state religion tend to have much more better church activity than those with one. Thought that was interesting personally.

Baylor gets a lot of SBC kids, fwik. They have an interesting history - all of Baptism in the US does, really. Ironically, the more Fundamentalist and insular they get in Baptism, the better they seem to understand the separation/establishment issue.

260 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:14:47pm

re: #256 Gus 802

You know. My first experience with Mormon was back when I was 16. We drove through northeastern Utah one summer and my folks and the rest of us thought, "wow, these people are nice." Assuming of course that they were Mormons. I don't like bigotry. Yet, people are bigoted against Mormons. Of course I have to add that I don't necessarily agree with them in many respects especially with regards to Prop 8 in California. But! They're not alone so why should I hate them any more for that?

It's funny. The neighborhood I grew up in had a fairly big size number of Mormons. I think it's because there was a temple near where we went to elementary school. Anyhow, I lived in a cul-de-sac growing up and one of our neighbors was a big Mormon family. The youngest son was gosh five-six years ahead of me in school or so but I remember the guy playing basketball with me and my brother, and I also remember going to the high school to see him play since he was on the team. Same family also hosted missionaries and there were these two young missionaries who I think really helped my Dad out in his first year of quitting alcohol. There's a lot I don't like about Mormonism but they have every right to practice their religion in peace without that right being infringed on contrary to what boneheads like Bryan Fischer say. I still do get a kick out of seeing the big temple in Silver Spring though since as a kid it reminded me of Disney World and I'd see it all the time when we drove up to Baltimore for Orioles games.

261 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:16:29pm

re: #259 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Baylor gets a lot of SBC kids, fwik. They have an interesting history - all of Baptism in the US does, really. Ironically, the more Fundamentalist and insular they get in Baptism, the better they seem to understand the separation/establishment issue.

That's right, it's a Baptist school. The professor was I believe a professor of economics. I was taking macroeconomics at the time at community college. It's one of the few things I remember from the class since while the professor who taught it was a helluva nice guy, economics just wasn't for me.

262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:18:31pm

re: #256 Gus 802

You know. My first experience with Mormon was back when I was 16. We drove through northeastern Utah one summer and my folks and the rest of us thought, "wow, these people are nice." Assuming of course that they were Mormons. I don't like bigotry. Yet, people are bigoted against Mormons. Of course I have to add that I don't necessarily agree with them in many respects especially with regards to Prop 8 in California. But! They're not alone so why should I hate them any more for that?

Well, I hate their Prop 8 bullshit, too, for obvious reasons. But yeah, they're not alone in it, and there are also LDS that are also ahead of a bunch of the other Christians here, I can tell you that for sure.

[Link: www.sltrib.com...]

263 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:19:03pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

That's right, it's a Baptist school. The professor was I believe a professor of economics. I was taking macroeconomics at the time at community college. It's one of the few things I remember from the class since while the professor who taught it was a helluva nice guy, economics just wasn't for me.

Asssume a can opener...

264 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:19:19pm

Ah. Here's what I was looking for...

Humpty Dumpty -- Chick Corea

Saw him play this in Englewood, NJ. I kept "screaming" Humpty Dumpty between breaks. He finally played it as the encore. Damn good tune. Englewood's a great town too.

265 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:20:07pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Cromwell was a brutal fanatic. The reason he does still get some praise from historians is because, to use David Weber's words "a fanatic, in his own twisted way, is also an honest man." Oliver Cromwell did what he did out of conviction, not simply to enrich himself. And that gave him incredible strength.

Cromwell also was the cause of the lasting fear of a large standing army in the Anglosphere nations, as well as their collective dislike of using the military for internal matters. The "This Must Not Happen Again!" reaction to Cromwell's New Model Army and its atrocities has never truly died, remaining in the civic culture of the United Kingdom and her daughter countries even to this very day.

266 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:22:50pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Cromwell was a brutal fanatic. The reason he does still get some praise from historians is because, to use David Weber's words "a fanatic, in his own twisted way, is also an honest man." Oliver Cromwell did what he did out of conviction, not simply to enrich himself. And that gave him incredible strength.

Cromwell also was the cause of the lasting fear of a large standing army in the Anglosphere nations, as well as their collective dislike of using the military for internal matters. The "This Must Not Happen Again!" reaction to Cromwell's New Model Army and its atrocities has never truly died, remaining in the civic culture of the United Kingdom and her daughter countries even to this very day.

Ah, a principled, hated, loathed, brutal fanatic.

I've known some of those.

267 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:24:45pm

re: #262 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, I hate their Prop 8 bullshit, too, for obvious reasons. But yeah, they're not alone in it, and there are also LDS that are also ahead of a bunch of the other Christians here, I can tell you that for sure.

[Link: www.sltrib.com...]

Right. And look at who helped overturn it or at least place a stay on it for a time to come. A Republican judge and Reagan appointee Vaughn Walker. Of course we all look back now and see that Reagan was almost a progressive Republican compared to this 21st Century revanchist bunch.

268 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:25:49pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Cromwell was a brutal fanatic. The reason he does still get some praise from historians is because, to use David Weber's words "a fanatic, in his own twisted way, is also an honest man." Oliver Cromwell did what he did out of conviction, not simply to enrich himself. And that gave him incredible strength.

Cromwell also was the cause of the lasting fear of a large standing army in the Anglosphere nations, as well as their collective dislike of using the military for internal matters. The "This Must Not Happen Again!" reaction to Cromwell's New Model Army and its atrocities has never truly died, remaining in the civic culture of the United Kingdom and her daughter countries even to this very day.

True, he was sincere and obviously a brilliant strategist. The New Model Army didn't emerge victorious for nothing over Charles I's and his Cavailers. Though being part Irish Catholic, it's engrained in my DNA to hate the bastard just as much as it is to enjoy whiskey while listening to some nice fiddle music. :) Funny story but my favorite pub in Galway when I studied there was a bar called the King's Head, the legend I remember hearing was that the land where the pub stands was owned by a Cromwell lieutenant who may have been the one that gave old Charlie the whacking.

269 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:26:11pm

See. I'm always throwing flowers to the right and to Republicans. Sometimes I think people don't take note.

270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:28:27pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Right. And look at who helped overturn it or at least place a stay on it for a time to come. A Republican judge and Reagan appointee Vaughn Walker. Of course we all look back now and see that Reagan was almost a progressive Republican compared to this 21st Century revanchist bunch.

Bush 1 appointee, but yeah. They just want to shut down the 9th Circuit, anyway, because the 9th won't do as they say.

Anyone with Reagan's policies would get run out on a rail as a RINO by the tea party.

271 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:29:32pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Right. And look at who helped overturn it or at least place a stay on it for a time to come. A Republican judge and Reagan appointee Vaughn Walker. Of course we all look back now and see that Reagan was almost a progressive Republican compared to this 21st Century revanchist bunch.

The worst thing I saw by far were the attacks on Judge Walker because of his sexuality. I really don't think you'd see gay marriage supporters complaining the way they did about an openly straight judge and besides knowing the anti gay people, they'd been just fine if the judge deciding the case was a conservative straight Christian with an anti gay record. My gay friend was telling me that it was funny that Judge Walker ended up being the hero since initially his nomination was blocked because it was feared he was anti gay.

272 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:30:40pm

re: #270 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Bush 1 appointee, but yeah. They just want to shut down the 9th Circuit, anyway, because the 9th won't do as they say.

Anyone with Reagan's policies would get run out on a rail as a RINO by the tea party.

Right. OK, I was thinking Bush I at first. But he was originally nominated by Reagan. Thumbs up on the rest.

273 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:31:24pm

Shit, Bush II's solicitor general was one of the lawyers that fought against the ban of gay marriage. I gained a lot of respect for Ted Olson when he did that, I believe he did the case pro bono too and with his old Bush V Gore rival, David Boles. Goes to show ya that there are some people who put principle over politics these days. And Olson predictably got shat on for doing what he did in the bigot quarters.

274 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:32:13pm

re: #230 blueraven

"Red Sovine - Freightliner Fever

I love this shit."

Nashville, just before the Texas Outlaws took over country music.

275 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:33:24pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

Every militia in America, formal or otherwise, is a direct result of the New Model Army. Heck my page on thoughts about a modern militia reflect those concerns. Americans owe a lot to Cromwell; just not necessarily what we think at first...

276 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:35:06pm

Is it me or would today's right wingers have happily sent the founding fathers to the gallows back in the day?

277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:36:31pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

The worst thing I saw by far were the attacks on Judge Walker because of his sexuality. I really don't think you'd see gay marriage supporters complaining the way they did about an openly straight judge and besides knowing the anti gay people, they'd been just fine if the judge deciding the case was a conservative straight Christian with an anti gay record. My gay friend was telling me that it was funny that Judge Walker ended up being the hero since initially his nomination was blocked because it was feared he was anti gay.

Well, a lot can happen to a person in 20 years - it's quite likely that any garden variety Republican appointee 20 years ago would be antigay, even if they were out to themselves. Heck, even 5 years ago. Look at Ken Mehlman, who didn't even come clean about his dirty GOP dealings until last year.

Even 2 years ago, you still had to convince me that DADT was going to end.

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:38:24pm

Speaking of the LGBT community . . .

279 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:39:01pm

re: #277 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Well, a lot can happen to a person in 20 years - it's quite likely that any garden variety Republican appointee 20 years ago would be antigay, even if they were out to themselves. Heck, even 5 years ago. Look at Ken Mehlman, who didn't even come clean about his dirty GOP dealings until last year.

Even 2 years ago, you still had to convince me that DADT was going to end.

True. Judges are like the rest of us, their opinions can and do evolve with the times. I guess that's why I am skeptical of orginalist judicial philosophy. It's also funny how Earl Warren, the icon of 60's judicial liberalism had as governor of California supported the internment of the Japanese and David Souter was thought to be too conservative by some.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:40:02pm
281 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:40:17pm

re: #276 SteveMcG

Is it me or would today's right wingers have happily sent the founding fathers to the gallows back in the day?

Let's think about this...

They'd have swung Fanklin for adultery
Jefferson for blasphemy and miscegenation
Hamilton for liking bankers
Washington because he believed the myth of Cincinnatus

Yeah, they could have happily pulled a "terror" and executed everyone they disliked for any reason whatsoever.

I note that all of Jefferson's infamous comments about the tree of liberty date from before the French showed him just what that could mean...

282 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:40:53pm

re: #278 ggt

Speaking of the LGBT community . . .

I believe Portugal also decriminalized or legalized drugs too. Portugal and Spain have always seemed like interesting places to visit to me. The few times I've heard the Portuguese language I've found it very beautiful.

283 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:41:41pm

re: #281 wlewisiii

Not to mention the rebellion against the king who rules by divine right. Teabaggers would have been shitting themselves.

284 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:43:30pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Shit, Bush II's solicitor general was one of the lawyers that fought against the ban of gay marriage. I gained a lot of respect for Ted Olson when he did that, I believe he did the case pro bono too and with his old Bush V Gore rival, David Boles. Goes to show ya that there are some people who put principle over politics these days. And Olson predictably got shat on for doing what he did in the bigot quarters.

The Cheneys, too. There are all the critiques of Mary and Dick, yeah, heard them all. But without the Cheneys public acceptance of Mary over the years, and also the Log Cabin Republicans, I don't think people like Mehlman would be honest, or that we would see all these conservatives today mouthing "support" for gays. At least the ones who want wars and to hoard loads of money. /

I think it's good, and obviously anything is an improvement. But they are on a massive collision course with the bigot crowd in question, the ones gunning for the SBC and Vulture Voter vote.

285 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:47:23pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

I believe Portugal also decriminalized or legalized drugs too. Portugal and Spain have always seemed like interesting places to visit to me. The few times I've heard the Portuguese language I've found it very beautiful.

Meanwhile the US gov is still acting like it's 1972 with regards to pot. What a joke. And frankly I'm tired of this "medical" marijuana game. They should just legalize it for even recreational use.

I guess it's still morally admirable to not sign the land mine treaty too and sell weapons to any fecking dictatorship around the world. Just don't smoke pot.

286 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:49:21pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Meanwhile the US gov is still acting like it's 1972 with regards to pot. What a joke. And frankly I'm tired of this "medical" marijuana game. They should just legalize it for even recreational use.

I guess it's still morally admirable to not sign the land mine treaty too and sell weapons to any fecking dictatorship around the world. Just don't smoke pot.

It's like they saw Reefer Madness and believed it.

Yeah, everybody at the party smokes a joint and get's manic. . . .

287 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:49:53pm

re: #285 Gus 802

Meanwhile the US gov is still acting like it's 1972 with regards to pot. What a joke. And frankly I'm tired of this "medical" marijuana game. They should just legalize it for even recreational use.

I guess it's still morally admirable to not sign the land mine treaty too and sell weapons to any fecking dictatorship around the world. Just don't smoke pot.

Yeah no kidding. Both parties leaderships seem to be hopelessly ignorant on the drugs issue. I really really hold out some hope that my generation getting in to politics will change that but then again there was also the hope that the boomers involvement would change that too.

288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:51:46pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

True. Judges are like the rest of us, their opinions can and do evolve with the times. I guess that's why I am skeptical of orginalist judicial philosophy. It's also funny how Earl Warren, the icon of 60's judicial liberalism had as governor of California supported the internment of the Japanese and David Souter was thought to be too conservative by some.

Yeah, he was an anti-Japanese rabblerouser as both gov. and AG. I think that's why the JBS wanted to impeach Warren, basically for reasons of race-traitorship. Those types do not take to that so well lol

I also remember the cons gay-baiting

LIFELONG BACHELOR

Souter. You mention not being an econ type - neither am I. When I first went to college, which was a somewhat notorious school I call Fundagelical U., there was this econ prof there who was.....I really don't know how he got away with it.

Dude was straight up theatre queen - Might have even been out, for all I know, because he didn't hide it, down to inviting the Econ grads to his (mother's) house (where he lived) for seminars, then entertaining them with showtunes at the piano. Class A Milton Friedmanite. Odd, odd fellow, hell of an econ prof., reactionary as fuck. lol

289 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:52:21pm

re: #286 ggt

It's like they saw Reefer Madness and believed it.

Yeah, everybody at the party smokes a joint and get's manic. . . .

Seriously. Smoke pot or drink some hot Vodka. Yep. Boy that damn pot is dangerous! Tell you what we should get some DEA agent drunk out of his mind and another baked out of his mind and see who drive the worst. Probably equal at the very least. If they're going to keep pot illegal we sould at least go back to prohibition.

Frankly it's probably mostly Treasury that's pissed off.

290 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:53:00pm

The question I ask rabidly anti pot people is simple, can you name a time where marijuana use has killed someone directly? They never can do that and ignore completely the fact that tobacco and alcohol which are both legal and part of our culture do and have. Not knocking those two but it's such a blatant double standard to crusade to keep pot legal and punish pot users while being tied at the hip with tobacco and alcohol companies. I was annoyed when my grandmother said if she had her way she'd ban tobacco and alcohol use but at least she was being consistent I guess more than you can say about those who say just say no and then have a shot of scotch with the tobacco and alcohol lobbyists.

291 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:53:37pm

Is their no end to Snake Oil? Seems it can come with any name --even Caterpiller Fungus! And people (men) pay big bucks for this shit!

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:54:56pm

re: #288 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Hoot. May god bless him.

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:55:35pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

It wasn't fully explained in the book either but there's a commune of non cannibals somewhere. The outcasts (those allowed to leave the commune) either cut off their own thumbs so they can't work or have them cut off as punishment for leaving. What a truly frightening world that dude created.

Try Blood Meridian by the same author.

294 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:55:58pm

I've always been torn on the issue of legalizing marijuana. I understand that as a drug it's pretty benign, but on the other hand all I think of when I would see somebody with it is that it is contraband. Almost as if it had a "dual nature". I just think that there will be a lot of unforseen consequences to decriminalization, and I think a lot of it will have to do with organized crime. I don't want to go Herman Cain on your asses ("I don't have the facts to back this up..."), but that's my gut feeling. (Disclosure: I happen to believe Bill Clinton about trying it but not inhaling. I did the same thing. All I did was cough. I didn't feel any different but I think I inhaled)

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:56:16pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Yeah no kidding. Both parties leaderships seem to be hopelessly ignorant on the drugs issue. I really really hold out some hope that my generation getting in to politics will change that but then again there was also the hope that the boomers involvement would change that too.

Because, it seems, you have to be a total nerd to get elected to Congress.

296 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:56:30pm

re: #291 ggt

Is their no end to Snake Oil? Seems it can come with any name --even Caterpiller Fungus! And people (men) pay big bucks for this shit!

Heh. Saw that on NPR earlier. I'll stick to cialis... :shock:

297 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:57:21pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Yeah no kidding. Both parties leaderships seem to be hopelessly ignorant on the drugs issue. I really really hold out some hope that my generation getting in to politics will change that but then again there was also the hope that the boomers involvement would change that too.

Well, they did change it, for a while. Then everybody ran back to church and into the tea party lol

My generation - no hopes were pinned on us, which is probably a good thing. Except perhaps that we'd all watch Sesame Street then and all be friends.

Lol like I'm going to make friends and sing kumbaya with Dana Loesch and Sarah Palin, lmao

298 Kragar  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:57:41pm

re: #296 wlewisiii

Heh. Saw that on NPR earlier. I'll stick to cialis... :shock:

I'll stick with having a naturally wonderful penis.

299 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:57:53pm

re: #295 ggt

Because, it seems, you have to be a total nerd to get elected to Congress.

Come on, I'm the one with the disorder they nickname the people with it "Little professors." :) Though my nerdiness was a role in why a lot of my high school friends were shocked that I had tried pot. I mean damn I may be a nerd but I am not a square!

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:57:59pm

re: #286 ggt

It's like they saw Reefer Madness and believed it.

Yeah, everybody at the party smokes a joint and get's manic. . . .

Having seen the music of "Reefer Madness", I can only conclude that I want to try some of that good pot they had in the thirties. I do not like modern pot. But that stuff from the thirties! One puff produces fully choreographed hallucinations with music, and dancing, and Allan Cummings dressed as a satyr!!

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:58:31pm

re: #294 SteveMcG

I've always been torn on the issue of legalizing marijuana. I understand that as a drug it's pretty benign, but on the other hand all I think of when I would see somebody with it is that it is contraband. Almost as if it had a "dual nature". I just think that there will be a lot of unforseen consequences to decriminalization, and I think a lot of it will have to do with organized crime. I don't want to go Herman Cain on your asses ("I don't have the facts to back this up..."), but that's my gut feeling. (Disclosure: I happen to believe Bill Clinton about trying it but not inhaling. I did the same thing. All I did was cough. I didn't feel any different but I think I inhaled)

What caused me to change my stance on legalizing Pot is the War on Drugs. It seems to have created more crime than it has prevented. We are wasting money on it --legalize it, take the profit from the criminals, regulate it, tax it. And most of all, stop mucking up our Justice System over a few stems and seeds.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 10:59:39pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Come on, I'm the one with the disorder they nickname the people with it "Little professors." :) Though my nerdiness was a role in why a lot of my high school friends were shocked that I had tried pot. I mean damn I may be a nerd but I am not a square!

Sorry, wrong word --"Square" is much better.

It's a generational thing. My generation, nerd had a totally different meaning.

What do you call the dweeb that get's the swirlies now?

303 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:00:01pm

re: #294 SteveMcG

I've always been torn on the issue of legalizing marijuana. I understand that as a drug it's pretty benign, but on the other hand all I think of when I would see somebody with it is that it is contraband. Almost as if it had a "dual nature". I just think that there will be a lot of unforseen consequences to decriminalization, and I think a lot of it will have to do with organized crime. I don't want to go Herman Cain on your asses ("I don't have the facts to back this up..."), but that's my gut feeling. (Disclosure: I happen to believe Bill Clinton about trying it but not inhaling. I did the same thing. All I did was cough. I didn't feel any different but I think I inhaled)

Doesn't really matter if Clinton inhaled or not. I inhaled. A lot of us inhaled. Most of us inhaled. The most powerful pot is benign compared to the strongest booze. They're just a dumb for comparing it to heroin. But we're talking about the same people that almost still think Pakistan is our ally.

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:00:20pm

bbiab

(the usual, laundry)

305 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:00:20pm

You want the best argument for legalizing pot? Listen to the former cops and drug enforcement officials who say flat out that going after potheads has diverted resources from going after serious crimes. And shit I think the fact that it's so taboo has made it more popular. The same reason why kids who underage drink in this country often drink to excess.

306 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:00:43pm

re: #292 wlewisiii

Hoot. May god bless him.

Omg yeah. He was hilarious. Taught Principles of Econ 101, himself. I think he ended up having a big impact on me even though I switched majors (Bus/Computers, not Econ) because he just didn't give a crap what anybody thought. Hard to do in those environments.

307 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:01:04pm

re: #302 ggt

Sorry, wrong word --"Square" is much better.

It's a generational thing. My generation, nerd had a totally different meaning.

What do you call the dweeb that get's the swirlies now?

I guess those would be geeks. I am not your ordinary nerd though so nerd may still qualify.

308 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:01:53pm

re: #275 wlewisiii

Every militia in America, formal or otherwise, is a direct result of the New Model Army. Heck my page on thoughts about a modern militia reflect those concerns. Americans owe a lot to Cromwell; just not necessarily what we think at first...

Entirely true. From American concerns of police militarization, to the primacy of consensual policing, Oliver Cromwell's legacy can be clearly seen. Even the US Constitution's ideas of check and balances owes a part of its existence (though not the idea's entirety) to ensuring that America would not see its own Cromwell.

309 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:02:04pm

re: #301 ggt

What caused me to change my stance on legalizing Pot is the War on Drugs. It seems to have created more crime than it has prevented. We are wasting money on it --legalize it, take the profit from the criminals, regulate it, tax it. And most of all, stop mucking up our Justice System over a few stems and seeds.

See, that's the thing. There is already a distribution network. Who's going to start a network that's going to challenge the traffickers? You think Dole is going to start growing and distributing? There are still lots of people who will threaten boycotts of a mainstream corporation gets into the act which leave a lot of gangs with a lot of suddenly clean money.

310 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:02:14pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

You want the best argument for legalizing pot? Listen to the former cops and drug enforcement officials who say flat out that going after potheads has diverted resources from going after serious crimes. And shit I think the fact that it's so taboo has made it more popular. The same reason why kids who underage drink in this country often drink to excess.

They don't want to do that because a pot bust is an easy bust and worthy of a great deal of political points for the police chiefs and sheriffs. IOW keeping pot illegal like this is job security.

311 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:03:46pm

re: #310 Gus 802

They don't want to do that because a pot bust is an easy bust and worthy of a great deal of political points for the police chiefs and sheriffs. IOW keeping pot illegal like this is job security.

Yeah unfortunately "tough on crime" matters more than actually doing shit. Look in Joe Arpaio in Arizona for an example of that. "America's toughest sheriff" is a phony who cares more about getting his name in the papers than actually doing crap.

312 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:06:12pm

re: #301 ggt

What caused me to change my stance on legalizing Pot is the War on Drugs. It seems to have created more crime than it has prevented. We are wasting money on it --legalize it, take the profit from the criminals, regulate it, tax it. And most of all, stop mucking up our Justice System over a few stems and seeds.

The more I learn about cartel-scale pot growing in the Americas and SE Asia, the more I feel it needs to be legalized. Having just watched "Prohibition" that feeling is redoubled: the demand has diminished, the penalty hasn't determined consumption, and there's just too much to gain being a provider.

313 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:06:43pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

You want the best argument for legalizing pot? Listen to the former cops and drug enforcement officials who say flat out that going after potheads has diverted resources from going after serious crimes. And shit I think the fact that it's so taboo has made it more popular. The same reason why kids who underage drink in this country often drink to excess.

Yeah, I remember some law enforcement coming out for Prop 19. Even Palin understood it. And much pearl-clutching did ensue. /lol

314 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:07:32pm

re: #312 The Ghost of a Flea

The more I learn about cartel-scale pot growing in the Americas and SE Asia, the more I feel it needs to be legalized. Having just watched "Prohibition" that feeling is redoubled: the demand has diminished, the penalty hasn't determined consumption, and there's just too much to gain being a provider.

So who is going to replace the cartels?

315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:08:00pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Yeah unfortunately "tough on crime" matters more than actually doing shit. Look in Joe Arpaio in Arizona for an example of that. "America's toughest sheriff" is a phony who cares more about getting his name in the papers than actually doing crap.

To me, Joe Arpaio exemplifies the confederate sheriff.

316 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:08:35pm

re: #314 SteveMcG

To follow up, there's too much to be gained by preventing new providers.

317 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:10:28pm

re: #315 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

To me, Joe Arpaio exemplifies the confederate sheriff.

You ain't kidding. Really I remember hating the guy before his birther shit appeared on WND.

318 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:11:11pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Yeah unfortunately "tough on crime" matters more than actually doing shit. Look in Joe Arpaio in Arizona for an example of that. "America's toughest sheriff" is a phony who cares more about getting his name in the papers than actually doing crap.

We should break up the DEA. The FDA should be doing what they could do as far as enforcement and control of legal drugs. We should also break up the ATF since that's an archaic department created during prohibition. Cancel the Patriot Act and close Homeland security since that's something the FBI should have been, or should be doing. For the most part these are Republican doings.

319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:12:37pm

re: #318 Gus 802

We should break up the DEA. The FDA should be doing what they could do as far as enforcement and control of legal drugs. We should also break up the ATF since that's an archaic department created during prohibition. Cancel the Patriot Act and close Homeland security since that's something the FBI should have been, or should be doing. For the most part these are Republican doings.

NO it's NOT!

We are for small, limited government!!!

320 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:13:46pm

re: #318 Gus 802

We should break up the DEA. The FDA should be doing what they could do as far as enforcement and control of legal drugs. We should also break up the ATF since that's an archaic department created during prohibition. Cancel the Patriot Act and close Homeland security since that's something the FBI should have been, or should be doing. For the most part these are Republican doings.

Yeah that makes sense. This is an issue I'm libertarian in the lower case l sense of the word. And you're right a lot of this was Republican doing which is why it makes me laugh to hear self described libertarians go goo goo over Reagan since he more than any other president expanded the Drug War.And frankly the Just Say No campaign was the stupidest campaign ever. Just as dumb as abstinence only if you ask me since both never take into account the real situations kids will face.

321 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:16:29pm

Gotta crash. Good night, all.

322 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:17:11pm

re: #314 SteveMcG

So who is going to replace the cartels?

They'll either have to go legit and deal with it --or the growers we already have will go corporate.

323 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:17:39pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Yeah that makes sense. This is an issue I'm libertarian in the lower case l sense of the word. And you're right a lot of this was Republican doing which is why it makes me laugh to hear self described libertarians go goo goo over Reagan since he more than any other president expanded the Drug War.And frankly the Just Say No campaign was the stupidest campaign ever. Just as dumb as abstinence only if you ask me since both never take into account the real situations kids will face.

Yeah but you're supposed to have the kind of family values that keep your child sealed away in a conservative bubble, where every day is Sunday School. Then, they won't ever have to face such situations.

The entire Reaganoid lifestyle is dumb. But when it's all you know, you buy into it.

324 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:17:56pm

re: #316 SteveMcG

To follow up, there's too much to be gained by preventing new providers.

Frankly, I think there is too much money to be made by keeping it illegal. Someone is getting a lot of money to continue this charade.

325 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:18:00pm

re: #319 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah. Nothing like spending well over 30,000 dollars a year keeping a man or woman in a box just because they want to get high.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:20:13pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Yeah. Nothing like spending well over 30,000 dollars a year keeping a man or woman in a box just because they want to get high.

And who doesn't want to get high?

Why is it legal to use some opioids (rx) and not others (pot)?

$$$$$$ --it depends on who is making the money.

327 HappyWarrior  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:21:02pm

re: #323 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Yeah but you're supposed to have the kind of family values that keep your child sealed away in a conservative bubble, where every day is Sunday School. Then, they won't ever have to face such situations.

The entire Reaganoid lifestyle is dumb. But when it's all you know, you buy into it.

Yeah true. God am I grateful that my parents were realistic when it came to raising me and my brothers. I knew kids whose fathers put the fear of the allmighty in to them when it came to doing things like pot and sex. But my Dad was fully aware of the situations we'd encounter and didn't scare us. He wanted us to be responsible of course but not in the dark.

328 Kragar  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:21:23pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Yeah. Nothing like spending well over 30,000 dollars a year keeping a man or woman in a box just because they want to get high.

Of course, if we send them to a private prison, we can keep that money out of the dirty government's hand and send it into a nice tidy corporation.

329 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:22:00pm

re: #321 wlewisiii

Gotta crash. Good night, all.

Ditto. Sleep well, all.

330 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:22:41pm

re: #322 ggt

They'll either have to go legit and deal with it --or the growers we already have will go corporate.

The gangs would be thrilled to have a legit operation. Do you think those growers will be ready for a fight? It's one thing trying to stay a step ahead of the law but another thing when you're trying to compete against a bunch of psychopaths.

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:23:20pm

Keep catching Bother Puppy chewing little bits of wood. Can't figure out what he is chewing them off of.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:24:39pm

re: #330 SteveMcG

The gangs would be thrilled to have a legit operation. Do you think those growers will be ready for a fight? It's one thing trying to stay a step ahead of the law but another thing when you're trying to compete against a bunch of psychopaths.

Honestly, I think it would be intersting to see the transition. Who would make it and who wouldn't.

They'd weed out those who interfered with profits.

333 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:24:57pm

There are lots of seeming victimless or harmless crimes that fund organized crime. So what if you buy a couple bootlegged DVD's? It 'snot hurting anybody. So you want to get high. That's not hurting anybody either. At least not north of the Rio Grande.

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:26:24pm

re: #280 ggt

Paul McCartney remarries, again.

Ms Shevell, 51, from New York, is an heiress to a haulage fortune.

I'm still trying to figure-out the meaning of the word "haulage"?

I just don't think I'd want it connected with my name.

335 Gus  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:26:32pm

I need the sleep drug. This is where I close my eyes and sleep. Later folks.

336 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:26:58pm

re: #332 ggt

Honestly, I think it would be intersting to see the transition. Who would make it and who wouldn't.

They'd weed out those who interfered with profits.

Well, doesn't that sound sterile.

337 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:27:37pm

re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, if we send them to a private prison, we can keep that money out of the dirty government's hand and send it into a nice tidy corporation.

Eh, just make everybody "illegal" then send them to a CCA prison. /

Tell 'em it's because of the children or the jobs or something.

/Suckerz

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:28:33pm

re: #336 SteveMcG

I think there would be some interesting non-sterile fall-out from Congress and other "legit businessmen" that we can't even imagine now.

Like I said, there is a lot of money being made to continue this charade.

339 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:32:56pm

re: #333 SteveMcG

There are lots of seeming victimless or harmless crimes that fund organized crime. So what if you buy a couple bootlegged DVD's? It 'snot hurting anybody. So you want to get high. That's not hurting anybody either. At least not north of the Rio Grande.

I should throw away my Mac Book Pro then. It's created a market for that bootleg Apple Store in China! /

340 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:33:15pm

re: #338 ggt

I think there would be some interesting non-sterile fall-out from Congress and other "legit businessmen" that we can't even imagine now.

Like I said, there is a lot of money being made to continue this charade.

Not only that but I don't think legalization has as much support as you think. One reason Democratic politicians seem so wimpy is that people may say they support you but when the time comes to vote, (if they are even allowed in the voting booth anymore, but that's for another day), the supporters are no shows. So how many politicians are really going to go out on a limb and vote for legalization? You would have thunk assault weapons bans and high capacity magazines would be no brainers, but we know what happened to those gems.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:33:38pm

re: #333 SteveMcG

There are lots of seeming victimless or harmless crimes that fund organized crime. So what if you buy a couple bootlegged DVD's? It 'snot hurting anybody. So you want to get high. That's not hurting anybody either. At least not north of the Rio Grande.

I suspect that people have suffered more for my t-shirts and appliances than for all the weed I could ever smoke. And my t-shirts and appliances are legal.

342 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:34:50pm

re: #339 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I should throw away my Mac Book Pro then. It's created a market for that bootleg Apple Store in China! /

Not my point, and I thought better of you then to try that here.

343 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:36:56pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

I suspect that people have suffered more for my t-shirts and appliances than for all the weed I could ever smoke. And my t-shirts and appliances are legal.

Are people getting murdered over the right to bring your t-shirts to market? Headless bodies getting dumped by the roadside because they where producing refrigerators?

344 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:38:07pm

Wouldn't want to watch these while at one of those "Reefer Madness" parties.

Although the view of Fort Sumper is kinda cool.

345 SteveMcG  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:46:12pm

I gotta go, but I would just sum up my position by saying that since pot has been illegal, organized crime has played a big role in its distribution. That won't go away just because marijuana became legal. I think that access to clean money would drive gangs wild. Since I don't think corporate America will touch pot with a ten foot pole in the face of threats of boycotts from angry consumers (who boycott over much less), that leaves small time growers to compete with gangs of psycopaths over a big pile of money.
As a policy issue, legalization just isn't the panacea that advocates are claiming it to be. There will be real consequences to legalization and they won't all be pretty.

346 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:48:55pm

re: #342 SteveMcG

Not my point, and I thought better of you then to try that here.

Oh, Steve.

347 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:50:07pm

re: #340 SteveMcG

people may say they support you but when the time comes to vote, (if they are even allowed in the voting booth anymore, but that's for another day), the supporters are no shows.

?

Source?

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:50:39pm

re: #345 SteveMcG

I gotta go, but I would just sum up my position by saying that since pot has been illegal, organized crime has played a big role in its distribution. That won't go away just because marijuana became legal. I think that access to clean money would drive gangs wild. Since I don't think corporate America will touch pot with a ten foot pole in the face of threats of boycotts from angry consumers (who boycott over much less), that leaves small time growers to compete with gangs of psycopaths over a big pile of money.
As a policy issue, legalization just isn't the panacea that advocates are claiming it to be. There will be real consequences to legalization and they won't all be pretty.

I guess I don't have the same fears as you. Al Capone et al weren't happy with the end of Prohibition. The children of the "gangs of psycopaths" are already going to college. I don't think they are all "psychopaths". Mostly just people trying to make a living the only way they see they can. They employ who they must to make a profit.

349 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:55:54pm

Quick reference:

Hare estimates that about one percent of the US population are psychopaths.[1

current population: 312,392,747

x .01 = 3,123,927.47

That's a lot of psycopaths. Are they all involved in the drug trade?

350 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:56:47pm

re: #345 SteveMcG

I gotta go, but I would just sum up my position by saying that since pot has been illegal, organized crime has played a big role in its distribution. That won't go away just because marijuana became legal. I think that access to clean money would drive gangs wild. Since I don't think corporate America will touch pot with a ten foot pole in the face of threats of boycotts from angry consumers (who boycott over much less), that leaves small time growers to compete with gangs of psycopaths over a big pile of money.
As a policy issue, legalization just isn't the panacea that advocates are claiming it to be. There will be real consequences to legalization and they won't all be pretty.

I know you have to go, but sorry...can't let that straw man slide.

Your stance seems to come from basically a morality position, no? That pot has too much moral baggage, so corps will stay away and nothing will change since it will still be the outcasts/organized crime that make the money from it?

I think the history on prohibition/legalization/decriminalization tells us quite the opposite. It could be one more place where market principles really do work.

351 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Oct 9, 2011 11:59:07pm

re: #349 ggt

Quick reference:

current population: 312,392,747

x .01 = 3,123,927.47

That's a lot of psycopaths. Are they all involved in the drug trade?

How many psychopaths are created because of the drug trade? Children growing up with the criminals?

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:01:15am

re: #343 SteveMcG

Are people getting murdered over the right to bring your t-shirts to market? Headless bodies getting dumped by the roadside because they where producing refrigerators?

Somewhere between 500 and 5,000 women, most of them maquiladora workers, were murdered in Ciudad Juarez in the 90s. People have burned to death in locked sweatshops--did so last year in fact.

The drug trade has a hell of a death toll, yes, and there are all sorts of reasons for that. So do a lot of other things that are much less dramatic.

We could try to fix some of this. I don't think locking up addicts is doing much of anything except spending more money.

353 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:02:09am

re: #349 ggt

Quick reference:

current population: 312,392,747

x .01 = 3,123,927.47

That's a lot of psycopaths. Are they all involved in the drug trade?

Thats assuming psychopaths are all criminals and aren't functioning members of society.

354 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:05:20am

re: #353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats assuming psychopaths are all criminals and aren't functioning members of society.

Exactly. Some of them might be in Congress.

/half

355 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:05:44am

re: #345 SteveMcG

I gotta go, but I would just sum up my position by saying that since pot has been illegal, organized crime has played a big role in its distribution. That won't go away just because marijuana became legal. I think that access to clean money would drive gangs wild. Since I don't think corporate America will touch pot with a ten foot pole in the face of threats of boycotts from angry consumers (who boycott over much less), that leaves small time growers to compete with gangs of psycopaths over a big pile of money.
As a policy issue, legalization just isn't the panacea that advocates are claiming it to be. There will be real consequences to legalization and they won't all be pretty.

Your position is entirely contrived and nonsensical. You've done nothing, nothing whatsoever to demonstrate how pot has this horrible stigma that will keep corporations from dealing in it. It's raw assertion on your part and isn't conducive to observed reality. Is there some fixed number of corporations and business entities out there, all jealously guarding their valuable family friendly reputations? No entrepreneurs are free to spring up and exploit a newly available market?

I don't think you understand how organized actually crime works. Once the members of a market have legal sanction to conduct business they have access to society's traditional dispute resolution mechanisms, the police and the courts. It's keeping the market illegal that allows organized crime and the attendant violence to thrive.

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:07:06am

re: #353 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats assuming psychopaths are all criminals and aren't functioning members of society.

Some of them might be in Conress . . .

/half

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:07:54am

re: #349 ggt

Quick reference:

current population: 312,392,747

x .01 = 3,123,927.47

That's a lot of psycopaths. Are they all involved in the drug trade?

No, most of them are probably just making their families miserable.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:09:52am

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Your position is entirely contrived and nonsensical. You've done nothing, nothing whatsoever to demonstrate how pot has this horrible stigma that will keep corporations from dealing in it. It's raw assertion on your part and isn't conducive to observed reality. Is there some fixed number of corporations and business entities out there, all jealously guarding their valuable family friendly reputations? No entrepreneurs are free to spring up and exploit a newly available market?

I don't think you understand how organized actually crime works. Once the members of a market have legal sanction to conduct business they have access to society's traditional dispute resolution mechanisms, the police and the courts. It's keeping the market illegal that allows organized crime and the attendant violence to thrive.

The Mob is a police force for wiseguys . . . .

-goodfella's, I think.

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:09:58am

re: #354 ggt

Exactly. Some of them might be in Congress.

/half

Wouldn't be at all surprised. The Cleckley criteria could almost be taken to describe a career politician of a certain sort.

360 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:11:03am

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

No, most of them are probably just making their families miserable.

One of the sites I was perusing stated that 20% of inmates are considered psycophaths. That leaves a lot that are either not criminals or not yet caught.

361 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:18:14am

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Once the members of a market have legal sanction to conduct business they have access to society's traditional dispute resolution mechanisms, ...

As well as the "free market", an idea which supposedly is adored by many, but in reality not practiced in many cases in our society.

If marijuana was legal no "drug dealer" could make money off of it in this country because the plant will grow almost anywhere.

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:18:16am

hmmm, help me out here with the logic. Freetoken turned me on to this on a Pages Thread.

Someone who makes his money on "security products" certainly has a vested interest in keeping crime profitable --no?

I'm not insinuating that this person is such a person, just giving an example of why I think there is a lot of money to be made from the drug trade that could impede the end of the War on Drugs.

363 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:19:38am

re: #356 ggt

Some of them might be in Conress . . .

/half

I was the victim of a phantom spinning wheel. I thought it ated my first post.

364 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:20:26am

re: #362 ggt

Don't worry about insinuating anything questionable about Issa, you're likely to be right more often than with the average citizen.

365 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:20:51am

re: #356 ggt

Some of them might be in Conress . . .

/half


Study: 1 in 25 Business Leaders May Be Psychopaths

366 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:24:37am

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Reminds me of this: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:28:19am

re: #365 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Study: 1 in 25 Business Leaders May Be Psychopaths

I thoroughly believe it it takes a certain lack of empathy to thrive in any jungle. How long any one will be able to succeed without it is a different story.

368 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:33:01am

I'm thinking of going back to school to study horticulture. One thing holding me back is that I despise academia and what it has become, such as rackets (e.g., text books, fees, grade inflation ...) that are embedded in it.

The other thing is my age - I'm starting to feel my age (emotionally & mentally more so than physically). My quantitative ability is slipping, and my tolerance for "kids" (anyone under 30) is less than it's ever been.

This past year I've had a bit of epiphany about age and where I'm at on the curve of life. It's not all bad, but it is sobering.

369 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:34:43am

We were talking about the "repetition" routine at OWS - here's an article explaining it:

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

370 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:35:29am

re: #72 Sergey Romanov

Funny how that happens. Obama is a Muslim hitlerhitlerhitler Osama bin Stalin. And yet all those buttocksholes are still free to spout their contents.

But but but net neutrality!

371 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:36:37am

re: #368 freetoken

I'm thinking of going back to school to study horticulture. One thing holding me back is that I despise academia and what it has become, such as rackets (e.g., text books, fees, grade inflation ...) that are embedded in it.

The other thing is my age - I'm starting to feel my age (emotionally & mentally more so than physically). My quantitative ability is slipping, and my tolerance for "kids" (anyone under 30) is less than it's ever been.

This past year I've had a bit of epiphany about age and where I'm at on the curve of life. It's not all bad, but it is sobering.

Go for it! Horticulture is going to be a good field in the years to come, IMHO.

372 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:38:53am

re: #368 freetoken

I'm thinking of going back to school to study horticulture. One thing holding me back is that I despise academia and what it has become, such as rackets (e.g., text books, fees, grade inflation ...) that are embedded in it.

The other thing is my age - I'm starting to feel my age (emotionally & mentally more so than physically). My quantitative ability is slipping, and my tolerance for "kids" (anyone under 30) is less than it's ever been.

This past year I've had a bit of epiphany about age and where I'm at on the curve of life. It's not all bad, but it is sobering.

I can relate. Today, at the store where I work there were two girls messing around and being tweens --or teenagers--( so hard to tell these days :) I walked by them and gave them the "stare" a couple of times and they didn't settle down. Finally, I told them "ALL RIGHT, YOU need to calm it down! --Did YOU HEAR ME?" They did.

I walked away feeling like such a "grown-up".

373 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:46:28am

re: #371 ggt

Go for it! Horticulture is going to be a good field in the years to come, IMHO.

Thank you for the encouragement.

In this country lately Horticulture departments in college have been under pressure due to the need to seem more "advanced" or elite, and the term "horticulture" is being used less and less as fancier phrases are concocted. On the other side the glibertarians want to destroy the whole extension system, the land grant college system, and the USDA. Now, the USDA does have its problems but the many people who have worked through the various programs have helped change this country for the better.

I do think that there will be, increasingly during this century, the realization that small scale and local farming, as well as urban horticulture, is vital to everybody's well being. Industrial scale ag is on a one way trip to extinction, even if it takes a century before politics realizes that.

Water problems are raining down upon us, food production will be seen as so vital to national interests that I would not be surprised if in a few decades if wars over food, water, and land drive international relations.

Anyway, I'd be interested in working on sustainable producing arboriculture for the small scale. From introducing new species to improved cultivars (especially by genetic engineering) of the current basis of our fruit and nut diets, there is a lot of work to be done.

374 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:47:07am

Your early morning kitteh!

375 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:47:39am

re: #374 ggt

Your early morning kitteh!

Very cool.

376 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:48:09am

What's up wastelanders?!

377 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:48:25am
378 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:48:54am

re: #373 freetoken

Anyway, I'd be interested in working on sustainable producing arboriculture for the small scale.

I think there will be a market for that for the forseeable future.

The link that is needed is how to take the new ideas created and produce the volume needed to feed the world.

That is where, IMHO, the research will need to be focused.

379 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:49:31am

re: #377 freetoken

That's some good pirated music!
/

380 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:50:26am

re: #379 Sergey Romanov

I pirate nothing... I all I do is provide a URL...

381 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:50:29am
382 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:50:53am

re: #379 Sergey Romanov

That's some good pirated music!
/

:P


/
383 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:51:38am

re: #381 ggt

OMG!

Maru is spayshul.

384 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:53:43am

re: #383 Varek Raith

Maru is spayshul.

One big frickin' cat!

385 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:54:09am

re: #380 freetoken

I pirate nothing... I all I do is provide a URL...

I didn't say you pirate, you pirate! /

386 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:54:48am

re: #384 ggt

One big frickin' cat!

[Link: sisinmaru.blog17.fc2.com...]
Lol

387 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:55:00am

re: #382 Varek Raith

:P

[Video]
/

Yes.i.am.

388 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:56:24am

re: #387 Sergey Romanov

Yes.i.am.

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:58:22am

re: #386 Varek Raith

[Link: sisinmaru.blog17.fc2.com...]
Lol

Well, Cat Overlords do deserve their own websites. They own the internet afterall.

390 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:58:40am

re: #387 Sergey Romanov

Yes.i.am.

Sam I Am!

391 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:59:20am

re: #389 ggt

Well, Cat Overlords do deserve their own websites. They own the internet afterall.

He's even got his own DVDs and books.
He's pretty big in Japan.
:)

392 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 12:59:58am

re: #390 ggt

Date Night?

393 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:01:03am

re: #390 ggt

Ah, something from Dr. Seuss. Sry.

394 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:01:58am

re: #392 Sergey Romanov

Date Night?

Dr. Seuss!

395 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:02:17am
396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:04:11am

re: #391 Varek Raith

He's even got his own DVDs and books.
He's pretty big in Japan.
:)

He looks very cuddly. I like him.

397 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:04:13am

BTW, what I'm discovering is that the majority of Hort departments have horrible web page design/construction. There are a few exceptions, but it looks like the plant people aren't really computer people.

398 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:05:15am

re: #397 freetoken

BTW, what I'm discovering is that the majority of Hort departments have horrible web page design/construction. There are a few exceptions, but it looks like the plant people aren't really computer people.

Yeah, I can see that. Different parts of the brain in use --besides, to be good at the computer, you have to be inside for long periods of time with access to electricity and all.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:06:47am

Tomorrow is a school-free day.

Kid and I are sleeping in. Hubby has morning Bother Puppy duty.

But, it is still time to go to bed.

Have a great morning all!

400 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:07:22am

Oh, mikiesmoky2... Sometimes presentation matters, I admit I can't read him.

401 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:08:19am

re: #396 ggt

He looks very cuddly. I like him.

Same here.
I've been following Maru's blog and youtube channel for a long time.

402 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:11:47am

re: #401 Varek Raith

Same here.
I've been following Maru's blog and youtube channel for a long time.

Smart people - making yen out of a fetishist cat's antics. /

403 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:12:31am

re: #402 Sergey Romanov

Smart people - making yen out of a fetishist cat's antics. /

Maru+Box=ROFLCOPTER

404 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:14:35am

re: #398 ggt

Well, the Flora and the Silica are entirely separate kingdoms of life.

405 freetoken  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 1:29:26am
406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:18:41am

Morning Honcos.

407 researchok  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:24:01am

Morning, all

408 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:30:11am

re: #406 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning.

Image: rasta-prof-lets-burn.jpg

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:37:59am

re: #408 Obdicut

Morning.

Image: rasta-prof-lets-burn.jpg

The way he is holding his hands, it looks like he's twisting one.:)

410 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 2:44:25am

re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar

The way he is holding his hands, it looks like he's twisting one.:)

Apparently he's a real, and very good, high school physics teacher. And while he's Rastafarian, if anyone asks him about it he says he's happy to discuss it outside of class but that religion isn't a proper topic of discussion for a science class.

My physics teacher in high school was a short, evil woman with impossibly globular breasts that seemed to defy, well, physics.

Made it hard to learn, having such a disproof of gravity just sitting there.

411 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:06:25am

Ok, wish me luck, I have an eight cubic yard concrete pour at my house in one hour. My, help: wifey, who went to bed two hours ago, and a disgruntled/entitled/spoiled fourteen year old daughter. OK, gotta go put some more kickers on and find my mag and margin trowel. Enjoy the holiday!

412 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:09:09am

So, I know it's Columbus Day. Are people with real jobs actually off of work today? (Minus Shroshire)

413 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:09:48am

re: #410 Obdicut

My trig teacher was this guy from Wisconsin who wore Dockers. I mention that because he had this odd habit -- which I've never seen any other man do, habitually, in public -- of pulling his front up around his stuff, like that famous GWB flight suit photo. Right in front of class, right in front of god and everyone. It was distracting and aggro, I imagine a lot like the globular breasts.

It's like he would send each student to our own alterna-class every few minutes, with everyone silently wondering, wait... did he really just do that? AGAIN? In front of everybody?? wtf.

414 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:11:40am

According to Wikipedia, Loesch is a "former liberal". I am not surprised.

There need to be assistance programs to help converts integrate into traditions without having to prove so damn much.

415 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:18:30am
Report: US movie about Norway attacks upsets next-of-kin

Oslo - A US movie in the making of the July 22 shootings that claimed 69 lives in Norway has prompted Oslo police to urge the movie producers to pull a trailer from the internet, a news report said Sunday.

Norwegian police cited the distress the film project has caused next-of-kin, according to an email sent to the producers of the film, which is being made in the United States, the VG daily said.

The film is entitled Utoya Island. The trailer, which has been uploaded on video-sharing site YouTube, depicts some of the events at the island near Oslo where 69 participants at a youth camp organized by the Labour Party youth wing were killed.

A lawyer representing the Labour Party youth wing said the movie was inappropriate.

[…]

Executive producer George Anton told VG that one reason for making the movie was to drum up support for stricter gun control laws, for instance by equipping legally sold handguns with global positioning system devices.

The director and writer of the film was named as Russian-born Vitaliy Versace.

[Link: www.monstersandcritics.com...]

416 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:59:09am

re: #347 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

Source?

Experience. Call it the Willie Brown effect. We all now the right wingers can turn out better then the left when they're really gassed. If you have some states pass decriminalization laws, right wingers will turn out in droves to kick the "potheads" out. Some people think that in 2010, the Dems just lost some swing seats that they stole from the Republicans in 2006 and 08, but all over the country Republicans made tremendous gains in the state legislatures because the Democrats just sat on their hands. So I wouldn't expect profiles in courage from your local legislator if a bill like this comes around. They may just assume that they'll be abandoned at the polls by people who don't turn out to vote.

417 SteveMcG  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:21:38am

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Your position is entirely contrived and nonsensical. You've done nothing, nothing whatsoever to demonstrate how pot has this horrible stigma that will keep corporations from dealing in it. It's raw assertion on your part and isn't conducive to observed reality. Is there some fixed number of corporations and business entities out there, all jealously guarding their valuable family friendly reputations? No entrepreneurs are free to spring up and exploit a newly available market?

I don't think you understand how organized actually crime works. Once the members of a market have legal sanction to conduct business they have access to society's traditional dispute resolution mechanisms, the police and the courts. It's keeping the market illegal that allows organized crime and the attendant violence to thrive.

Corporations get intimidated all the time by threats of boycott for one reason or another. So I don't think you'll see them touching it with a ten foot pole for a long time.
If you think gay marriage was a wedge issue in 2004, just wait until you see the R's ad campaign against legislators who voted for pot. Can you imagine the scare tactics (and you know they'll be effective)? As far as organized crime goes, plenty of legitimate operations have been infiltrated by criminals. But in this case I just don't think start ups can compete with entrenched operations who don't play by the rules. That is my argument. I am not passing any moral judgement about smoking pot. I happen to think it's more benign than alcohol. I just think that advocates of legalization seem to have this exaggerated sense that everything's going to be fine if everybody just saw things their way.

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:22:43am

WASHINGTON (AP) — In President Barack Obama's sales pitch for his jobs bill, there are two versions of reality: The one in his speeches and the one actually unfolding in Washington.

When Obama accuses Republicans of standing in the way of his nearly $450 billion plan, he ignores the fact that his own party has struggled to unite behind the proposal.

When the president says Republicans haven't explained what they oppose in the plan, he skips over the fact that Republicans who control the House actually have done that in detail.

And when he calls on Congress to "pass this bill now," he slides past the point that Democrats control the Senate and were never prepared to move immediately, given other priorities. Senators are expected to vote Tuesday on opening debate on the bill, a month after the president unveiled it with a call for its immediate passage.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

419 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:25:48am

re: #417 SteveMcG

Koch industries has no trouble doing business with Iran.
You think they'd care wtf any of us has to say (boycott) when they've got no trouble going around a freaking sovereign nation?
Methinks not.
Lol.

420 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:26:11am

A Saturday morning of shopping turned into an emergency hazmat situation at a Baltimore Walmart where two patrons threw bleach and disinfectant at one another, officials said.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Good thing they weren't in the Garden Department.
//

421 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:27:45am

Corporations over the past 30 years have proven this beyond anything.

Profit >>> Morals.

If they see profit in pot, they'll get into the pot business.

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:28:43am

re: #421 Varek Raith

Corporations over the past 30 years have proven this beyond anything.

Profit >>> Morals.

If they see profit in pot, they'll get into the pot business.

If pot were legal, I'd be in the business.

423 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:34:45am

re: #417 SteveMcG

As far as organized crime goes, plenty of legitimate operations have been infiltrated by criminals. But in this case I just don't think start ups can compete with entrenched operations who don't play by the rules.

Why on earth do you keep thinking that in a legal pot world, the sale of illegal pot would be allowed? You keep talking about the entrenched position of the illegal sellers, without noting that, you know, they're illegal.

424 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:35:01am

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar

If pot were legal, I'd be in the business.

Yep.
I see nothing immoral about pot.

425 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:36:39am

re: #418 Cannadian Club Akbar

That article is pretty distorted. Reid, in the senate, offered to have an immediate test vote. The 'detailed' objections from the GOP in the House are not so much 'detailed' as 'fabricated'.

But yes, the Democrats remain wimps with a large conservative chunk who are basically going to act like Republicans because they're afraid of not getting re-elected.

426 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:37:30am

Morning all!

Can't sleep, want chocolate.

How are you-all?

427 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:37:36am

re: #424 Varek Raith

Yep.
I see nothing immoral about pot.

But it needs to be legal vs. decriminalized. Hell, I have 5 acres just sitting there doing nothing. Not only would I have full time work, I'd be able to Greenbelt the property and reduce my property tax.

428 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:39:30am

re: #427 Cannadian Club Akbar

But it needs to be legal vs. decriminalized. Hell, I have 5 acres just sitting there doing nothing. Not only would I have full time work, I'd be able to Greenbelt the property and reduce my property tax.

And feel aaawwweeesssooommmeee!
;)

429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:40:29am

re: #428 Varek Raith

And feel aaawwweeesssooommmeee!
;)

And to top it off, so to say, I'd turn my garage into an ice cream store!! Feel the love!!

430 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:45:40am

re: #427 Cannadian Club Akbar

But it needs to be legal vs. decriminalized. Hell, I have 5 acres just sitting there doing nothing. Not only would I have full time work, I'd be able to Greenbelt the property and reduce my property tax.

ah, Lot's of people have that spare 5 acres or an unused basement . . . price will come down on home-grown pot. Price will go up for corporate growers who are finally free to further refine the plant.

431 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:47:16am

10 years ago this week.
RIP man.
Losing friends sucks.
:(

432 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:47:29am

re: #425 Obdicut

But yes, the Democrats remain wimps with a large conservative chunk who are basically going to act like Republicans because they're afraid of not getting re-elected.

But that means that the Democratic base is – at least partially – at fault, no? Politicians should always "be afraid" of not getting re-elected. If they fear not getting re-elected for the wrong reasons, does that not mean that their constituents are not supplying them well enough with the right reasons?

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:48:32am

re: #431 Varek Raith

10 years ago this week.
RIP man.
Losing friends sucks.
:(

(((((Varek)))))

434 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:49:02am

re: #430 ggt

ah, Lot's of people have that spare 5 acres or an unused basement . . . price will come down on home-grown pot. Price will go up for corporate growers who are finally free to further refine the plant.

But I would have "Support your local pot grower" bumper stickers!!

435 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:49:36am

re: #432 000G

But that means that the Democratic base is – at least partially – at fault, no? Politicians should always "be afraid" of not getting re-elected.

No, in this case I think that it means Democrats are afraid of pissing of their money sources, more than their actual constituents.

That's the problem with money being treated as speech. Politicians are just as, or perhaps more, answerable to those who will fund their campaigns as those who will cast votes.

If they fear not getting re-elected for the wrong reasons, does that not mean that their constituents are not supplying them well enough with the right reasons?

I don't know what that sentence means.

436 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:49:42am

re: #434 Cannadian Club Akbar

But I would have "Support your local pot grower" bumper stickers!!

OF COURSE (I should have had a V-8). That would make all the difference!

:0

437 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:50:55am

re: #436 ggt

OF COURSE (I should have had a V-8). That would make all the difference!

:0

Wasn't there a Simpsons ep about a V8 pot drink?

438 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:51:28am

re: #436 ggt

OF COURSE (I should have had a V-8). That would make all the difference!

:0

Actually, 5 acres here would support me. I could grow for 10 months out of the year.

439 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:51:41am

re: #431 Varek Raith

Been twelve years since my friend Rich died.

[Link: web.mit.edu...]

I will never forget the face of his father, following his son's coffin on the way to the grave.

Parents shouldn't have to bury their children.

440 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:51:55am

re: #437 Varek Raith

Wasn't there a Simpsons ep about a V8 pot drink?

It's a vegetable? I thought it was an herb?

That would make it V8+H

441 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:52:16am

re: #437 Varek Raith

Wasn't there a Simpsons ep about a V8 pot drink?

Tobacco/Tomato mix is all I remember.

442 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:52:26am

re: #439 Obdicut

Been twelve years since my friend Rich died.

[Link: web.mit.edu...]

I will never forget the face of his father, following his son's coffin on the way to the grave.

Parents shouldn't have to bury their children.

((Obdi))))

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:54:17am

If you grow weed, you must sell this:
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

444 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:54:36am

I lost two friends before I was even 24.
One in a car accident at 17.
The other to lymphoma at 23.


Oy, had to get that off my chest. I feel shitty this morning.

445 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:55:13am

re: #435 Obdicut

No, in this case I think that it means Democrats are afraid of pissing of their money sources, more than their actual constituents.

That's the problem with money being treated as speech. Politicians are just as, or perhaps more, answerable to those who will fund their campaigns as those who will cast votes.

I agree that current campaign financing laws are highly problematic. I wonder, though, what money sources are or would be against pro-pot-legalization candidates. Or do you think it's rather a proxy issue against "liberals"?

I don't know what that sentence means.

It means: not enough voter turnout, not enough challenge in primaries, not enough direct communication from constituents to elected official about issues, etc. Yknow, actual democratic pressure about real issues instead of money and bullshit circus.

446 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 4:57:46am

re: #444 Varek Raith

It's weird, reading that news article about Rich; I totally don't remember the funeral service at all. Just the one moment, his dad following the coffin. I can't remember any of the students that spoke.

I've lost far too many people over the years. A couple to drunk drivers, three to suicide, a couple to stupid accidents. The guy who used to be my best friend went crazy and lives in the desert in Texas.

I always remember the A River Runs Through It line, "That should have been my text. We wish to help, o Lord, but how?"

Life is random, which is sometimes a beauty and sometimes it's a car changing lanes with no warning.

447 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:01:15am

re: #445 000G

I agree that current campaign financing laws are highly problematic. I wonder, though, what money sources are or would be against pro-pot-legalization candidates. Or do you think it's rather a proxy issue against "liberals"?

Big Pharma is against it, for one. So are the prison unions. In California, the prison unions are one of the biggest opponents of even the limited decriminalization there. And both of those are important money sources for Democrats.

t means: not enough voter turnout, not enough challenge in primaries, not enough direct communication from constituents to elected official about issues, etc. Yknow, actual democratic pressure about real issues instead of money and bullshit circus.

Oh, well, sure, I guess you can say its the constituent's 'fault' in that regard. But the landscape is what it is, money is in politics in a big way, and most people are pretty unengaged with politics.

So sure, I mean, it's people's fault for voting without even bothering to do basic research into stuff. I blame the people exploiting that ignorance and apathy more, though.

448 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:04:13am

Nobel winners in economics.
[Link: www.nobelprize.org...]

449 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:05:10am

re: #448 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nifty. Cool research, and directly antithetical to the dumbass Austrians.

450 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:05:49am

Good morning, Lizardim.

re: #447 Obdicut

Oh, well, sure, I guess you can say its the constituent's 'fault' in that regard. But the landscape is what it is, money is in politics in a big way, and most people are pretty unengaged with politics.

So sure, I mean, it's people's fault for voting without even bothering to do basic research into stuff. I blame the people exploiting that ignorance and apathy more, though.

I think it is a healthy mix of both. An educated and informed electorate is extremely important when it comes to electing the right people; but the system also depends on the right people even running in the first place. Which is in equal parts the current problem with the Republican Party - dumbass voters, dumbass candidates.

451 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:07:16am

re: #450 thedopefishlives

Good morning, Lizardim.

I think it is a healthy mix of both. An educated and informed electorate is extremely important when it comes to electing the right people; but the system also depends on the right people even running in the first place. Which is in equal parts the current problem with the Republican Party - dumbass voters, dumbass candidates.

Dumbass voters who can't even fathom how the Birth Control Pill works -- (still grrrrrring at iceweasel's post.)

452 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:09:27am

re: #447 Obdicut

Big Pharma is against it, for one.

That one I don't quite understand. Wouldn't they be very fit to get into the biz themselves and profit from it?

So are the prison unions. In California, the prison unions are one of the biggest opponents of even the limited decriminalization there.

Yeah, the prison industry you have in the U.S. is truly frightening. I do like your ideas about tying "profitability" (or any other measurement of success) of prisons or people working there to essentially less people in prison (although you were talking about recidivism rates), btw.

Oh, well, sure, I guess you can say its the constituent's 'fault' in that regard. But the landscape is what it is, money is in politics in a big way, and most people are pretty unengaged with politics.

So sure, I mean, it's people's fault for voting without even bothering to do basic research into stuff. I blame the people exploiting that ignorance and apathy more, though.

I guess you can level different degrees of blame and in that case professional obfuscators and advertisers of apathy are higher on the blame list. But for me it boils down to Kant's definition of enlightenment:

Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity

453 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:10:26am

re: #451 ggt

Dumbass voters who can't even fathom how the Birth Control Pill works -- (still grrring at iceweasel's post.)

Times like these, I have to remember my motto. It's very simple: People are STUPID.

454 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:10:49am

Pot, meh.

455 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:11:45am

re: #453 thedopefishlives

Times like these, I have to remember my motto. It's very simple: People are STUPID.

Many people vote according to the last commercial they heard on the radio or saw on TV.

456 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:12:24am

re: #455 Cannadian Club Akbar

Many people vote according to the last commercial they heard on the radio or saw on TV.

So who wins, Pepsi or Coke?

457 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:12:39am

re: #452 000G

More completely:

Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's understanding without guidance from another. This immaturity is self-imposed when its cause lies not in lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without guidance from another.

458 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:12:47am

re: #456 Sergey Romanov

So who wins, Pepsi or Cola?

RC.

459 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:13:17am

re: #456 Sergey Romanov

So who wins, Pepsi or Coke?

Pesi -NO coke!

460 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:13:18am

re: #458 Cannadian Club Akbar

Roman Church? Figures.

461 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:13:55am

re: #450 thedopefishlives

I think it is a healthy mix of both. An educated and informed electorate is extremely important when it comes to electing the right people; but the system also depends on the right people even running in the first place. Which is in equal parts the current problem with the Republican Party - dumbass voters, dumbass candidates.

Well, it's more than that. People that run do so for a reason, typically because there's a chance of winning. However, in the current US system, running successfully requires heavy media support and huge amounts of money, because the system depends on the electorate turning out and actually hearing your message, which depends entirely on the media. Furthermore, the two party winner takes all system essentially guarantees about 40% of the votes no matter whether you put up an electable candidate or a cabbage, which makes the candidate even less relevant to the people electing him.

Fundamentally, your political system no longer serves your citizenry. It's not the politicians, per se - they're products of the political system.

462 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:14:04am

re: #460 Sergey Romanov

Roman Church? Figures.

I like Roman Candles.

463 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:14:22am

I feel better now.
Thanks, lizards.
:)

464 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:15:06am

re: #456 Sergey Romanov

So who wins, Pepsi or Cola?

Intel or AMD?
Nvidia or ATI?
Star Trek or Star Wars?

Loaded question is loaded.
:P

465 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:16:09am

re: #462 Cannadian Club Akbar

I like Roman Candles.

Roman Catholics rule this world. I believe this because some Chick told me that.

466 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:16:13am

re: #464 Varek Raith

Intel or AMD?
Nvidia or ATI?
Star Trek or Star Wars?

Loaded question is loaded.
:P

Great job, dumbass. You just sparked about 50 flame wars. :-P

467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:16:51am

re: #465 Sergey Romanov

Roman Catholics rule this world. I believe this because some Chick told me that.

But, I thought it was the Jooooos? -no?

:0

468 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:16:58am

re: #466 thedopefishlives

Great job, dumbass. You just sparked about 50 flame wars. :-P

NO. HE. DID. NOT!
It's on!

469 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:17:17am

re: #467 ggt

But, I thought it was the Jooos? -no?

:0

Roman Catholic Jews.

470 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:17:31am

re: #467 ggt

But, I thought it was the Jooos? -no?

:0

That's what the Catholics want you to think!

471 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:18:34am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

Roman Catholic Jews.

re: #470 Sergey Romanov

That's what the Catholics want you to think!

Now, I am really confused.

472 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:18:46am

I went to a Catholic wedding one weekend.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:18:50am

re: #448 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh. I thought Geithner would win.

474 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:19:18am

re: #464 Varek Raith

Intel or AMD?
Nvidia or ATI?
Star Trek or Star Wars?

Loaded question is loaded.
:P

Star Trek!

I don't even know what the others are.

475 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:19:28am

re: #472 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to a Catholic wedding one weekend.

I saw a Catholic once.

476 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:19:43am

re: #472 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to a Catholic wedding one weekend.

Are you still there?

477 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:20:02am

re: #475 Sergey Romanov

I saw a Catholic once.

I am Catholic, well, marginally.

478 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:20:39am

re: #477 ggt

I am Catholic, well, marginally.

*Forget I said anything.*

479 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:20:55am

re: #466 thedopefishlives

Great job, dumbass. You just sparked about 50 flame wars. :-P

MUHAHAHAHA!

480 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:21:30am

re: #479 Varek Raith

You sure your real name is not Loki?

481 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:21:40am

I am going to try to sleep again.

Have fun!

482 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:23:02am

re: #481 ggt

I am going to try to sleep again.

Have fun!

Good luck.

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:23:38am

It's a holiday! The guy who discovered Ohio!

484 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:24:25am

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a holiday! The guy who discovered Ohio!

He discovered many other things. Colombo was a great detective.

485 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:24:40am

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a holiday! The guy who discovered Ohio!

The Holy Toledo???

486 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:27:06am

We had a pizza place here years ago that had Columbus Day specials:
.14 drafts
.92 pitchers
$1.42 pizzas
$14.92 surf and turf for 2
Was awesome.

487 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:27:11am

re: #349 ggt

Quick reference:

current population: 312,392,747

x .01 = 3,123,927.47

That's a lot of psycopaths. Are they all involved in the drug trade?

Well, that and Wall Street.

488 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:33:55am

Whatever else you can say of the Right, they are consistent in promoting their ideology.

And this ideology has no room for mandated health care or non-mainstream Chrsitianity. Ideally, it should be Protestant, but they begrudgingly accept Catholicism because it is morally (if not entirely socially) conservative.

All of which greatly diminsihes the chances of Romney, the party's best bet at defeating Obama, from gaining his party's nomination.

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:34:44am

Woman sues to stop Drive getting away with a 'misleading' trailer
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Dear woman, Fuck Off.

490 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:34:51am

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's a holiday! The guy who discovered Ohio!

He came sailing up Lake Erie on a Cleveland steamer!!!

491 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:35:34am

re: #490 ralphieboy

He came sailing up Lake Erie on a Cleveland steamer!!!

GAK!!!

492 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:37:07am

re: #488 ralphieboy

Robertson already called Romney a great Christian. I don't think it will be that much of a problem if the "spiritual leaders" consolidate around Perry.

493 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:37:39am

re: #489 Cannadian Club Akbar

Woman sues to stop Drive getting away with a 'misleading' trailer
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Dear woman, Fuck Off.

Lol.

494 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:39:32am

re: #492 Sergey Romanov

OK, brainfart - substitute Romney for Perry.

495 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:40:37am

re: #489 Cannadian Club Akbar

Woman sues to stop Drive getting away with a 'misleading' trailer
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Dear woman, Fuck Off.

Funny comment.

Brings to mind Lionel Hutz's lawsuit against the film The Neverending Story

496 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:40:55am

re: #492 Sergey Romanov

Robertson already called Perry a great Christian. I don't think it will be that much of a problem if the "spiritual leaders" consolidate around Perry.

That endorsement will bear a lot of weight among the Fundamentalist Right, and will be used to gloss over all the gaffes Perry makes in the future.

If he can win enough early primaries to establish himself as the front runner and Great White Hope (and not just in the figurative sense) against Obama, then they will start going to great lengths to spin his embarassing statements, inconsistencies and shortcomings.

497 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:41:45am

re: #496 ralphieboy

Romney, Romney. If Mormonism isn't a big thing for Robertson, the rest could be persuadable.

498 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:42:19am

re: #494 Sergey Romanov

OK, brainfart - substitute Romney for Perry.

so I just agreed with what you didn't say? is this some machiavellian trap?

499 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:43:49am

I think you underestimate the power of religious bigotry, which, along with racism and xenophobia, are the driving forces of the modern conservative agenda...

500 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:43:59am

re: #498 ralphieboy

Heh. Well, you were discussing Romney, so I continued. I just got distracted a bit.

501 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:44:04am

This guy is my chum.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

502 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:46:28am

re: #452 000G

That one I don't quite understand. Wouldn't they be very fit to get into the biz themselves and profit from it?

No, pot is more like agriculture than it is pharma. The methods of making it better are more suited to people who know how to grow great cross-strains than it is great pharmacologists. THC is not the only cannabanoid in marijuana and so if they wanted to make a synthetic version they'd have to research all the others as well, and then do a complicated process.

Otherwise, marijuana doesn't need to be processed, and, even if you do (into hash or oil) it takes a minimal amount of processing, again more similar to agriculture.

It's immediate effect would be to cut into pharma's markets in a large number of areas, and if they wanted to fight they'd have to basically learn an entirely new industry and an entirely new market.

If you're talking about really legal-- not just 'medical'-- then they also would have to learn an entirely different distribution network. People aren't going to be buying their pot at the drugstores (heh) they'll be doing it at tobacconists, head shops, etc.

But even at the 'medical use only' level the basic problem remains; it's agriculture, not pharma.

Yeah, the prison industry you have in the U.S. is truly frightening. I do like your ideas about tying "profitability" (or any other measurement of success) of prisons or people working there to essentially less people in prison (although you were talking about recidivism rates), btw.

Thanks. Hasn't a prayer of ever being done, and if it were it'd need competent regulation, so it's just my nice piece of pie up there in the sky.

503 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:47:21am

re: #501 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's awful!
Your pun and what happened!

(snicker)

504 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:47:34am

re: #499 ralphieboy

Maybe. But if the likes of Rush will be incessantly driving the point home about how Romney is a wuss but still better than Obama...

505 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:49:37am

re: #502 Obdicut

Thanks. Hasn't a prayer of ever being done, and if it were it'd need competent regulation, so it's just my nice piece of pie up there in the sky.

Mmm, pie. I wonder what flavor.

506 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:51:22am

re: #504 Sergey Romanov

Maybe. But if the likes of Rush will be incessantly driving the point home about how Romney is a wuss but still better than Obama...

That will be their grudging argument if Romney wins the nomination, which is still not a given thing. Most of the Party base still seems to prefer a "mainstream" Christian with a clear anti-health insurance mandate stance.

507 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:52:01am

re: #505 thedopefishlives

Mmm, pie. I wonder what flavor.

Me not care about flavor as long as it is BIG!!!

508 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:52:47am

By the way, at the risk of being too hippie-dippie. I'd like to mention something I haven't before.

Since Varek already brought the mood down by mentioning dead friends, I think it's alright to talk about.

I have PTSD, a result of being sexually and physically abused as a child. Normally, I do pretty well with it. But occasionally I have depressive episodes. I can feel them coming before they arrive, and sometimes I manage to combat them, and sometimes I don't. I feel one coming.

So if you notice a sharp change in my mood, depressive attitudes on my part, and most of all if I start saying things that just don't sound like me, please let me know. It really actually helps me to beat it back, because my own perspective, of course, changes as the dark mood overtakes me.

So especially if you hear me saying things that are, well, just downright callous, that would sound better coming from a glibertarian, please tell me.

Thanks.

509 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:53:53am

re: #506 ralphieboy

Then Romney might fall into the Palinesque VP trap.

510 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:54:39am

re: #508 Obdicut

{{Obdi}}

511 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 5:59:05am

Take that, thread.

512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:00:18am

re: #511 Obdicut

*thud*

513 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:00:59am

Buzz: harshed.

514 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:02:17am

OK, this should work.

[Link: kittehroulette.com...]

515 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:05:50am

re: #509 Sergey Romanov

Then Romney might fall into the Palinesque VP trap.

To quote our man Herman Cain, I don't have the facts to back this up but...

I am sure that Romney is the prime choice of the GOP establishemnt, but they know they will have a hard time selling him to their own base, so they are hoping to use him as a VP candidate to balance out whichever right-wing fundamentalist does get the nomination.

516 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:06:05am
517 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:06:21am

re: #512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. As an example, this is something I've been thinking about.

The researcher Sapolsky is one of my favorite scientists and writers. He does research into the effect of stress on the immune system, and behavior on stress, etc. etc.

He followed a troop of baboons to do this research. The baboons were assholes. The baboons that were the most successful were the most abusive, and abuse traveled down the chain; a baboon would whack another baboon, that baboon would hit a smaller one, the smaller one would hit a female, the female would hit another female, etc.

And the ones at the shit end of the scale got sick more often, since they were constantly stressed out. Meanwhile, the assholes had much less stress. There were some of the male baboons who used teamwork and 'friendship'-- mutual grooming-- to help lower their stress and to gain some advantage in mating, but they were not as successful as the abusive males.

Then the alpha males discovered a new food source-- a garbage dump. They wouldn't let anyone else eat there, would savagely attack them if they tried. And eventually, they ate tuberculosis-tainted meat. And died. All of them.

Every asshole abusive male died. The only ones who survived were the consensus-builders, the friendly guys, the mutual groomers. And something amazing happened; those guys stayed that way. They didn't become abusive themselves. And when male baboons joined the troop, they adapted to its culture, they didn't dominate through abuse. If they tried, the team would resist them and often eject them. Abuse virtually disappeared from the tribe.

And all that had to happen was for all the assholes who thought that life is better if you pass along your pain, if you take out your frustration on other people, all that had to happen was for all of them to die.

518 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:08:01am

German officials from the conservative administration are running scared because of the government trojan, blabbing and prattleing away in the press and incriminating themselves through contradictions and vagueness (especially Wolfgang Bosbach and Hans-Peter Uhl)… Oh, it's beautiful.

Also, it's been found out that one of the ways in which the malware was installed was by temporary confiscation of a laptop at the Munich Airport by custom officials.

This is geting bigger and bigger. More and more high-profile media outlets are reporting in English, too:

Spiegel Online, The Register, Deutsche Welle, Bloomberg Businessweek

Meanwhile, seminal satirical magazine Titanic provides the best protection measures against the "Federal Trojan":

Image: Bundestrojaner_01.jpg

519 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:08:43am

re: #517 Obdicut

I'm going to cautiously upding that, since you're only observing that things will get better when all the anti-social assholes die, not actually advocating for them to die.

:)

520 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:08:55am

re: #518 000G

Didn't the German government have somewhat of a reputation for transparency?

521 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:09:08am

re: #517 Obdicut


And instead, our society bailed our asshole baboons out with billions of TARP aid and let them continue treating us just as they did before.

522 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:09:10am

re: #518 000G

What does it do?

523 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:10:56am

re: #519 iossarian

In the end the Good will certainly triumph over Evil.

Then it will put Evil on its knees and snuff it out bestially.

524 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:11:05am

re: #522 Sergey Romanov

What does it do?

The trojan can … receive uploads of arbitrary programs from the Internet and execute them remotely.

Activation of the computer’s hardware like microphone or camera can be used for room surveillance.

[T]he design included functionality to clandestinely add more components over the network right from the start, making it a bridge-head to further infiltrate the computer.

[With an additional module] it can be used to remotely control infected PCs over the internet [and] watch screenshots of the web browser on the infected PC – including private notices, emails or texts in web based cloud services.

The backdoor includes a keylogger that targets certain applications. These applications include Firefox, Skype, MSN Messenger, ICQ and others.

The backdoor also contains code intended to take screenshots and record audio, including recording Skype calls.

In addition, the backdoor can be remotely updated. Servers that it connects to include 83.236.140.90 and 207.158.22.134.

525 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:11:09am

re: #517 Obdicut

Abuse virtually disappeared from the tribe.

And all that had to happen was for all the assholes who thought that life is better if you pass along your pain, if you take out your frustration on other people, all that had to happen was for all of them to die.

Ah, if life was always that simple!

/

526 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:11:42am

re: #519 iossarian

I'm anti-death penalty. Obviously, if the males could get knocked out of the hierarchy without killing them, that'd work too.

Mainly, it was a demonstration that the violence in the baboons wasn't 'natural', it's just the way their behavior happened to societally develop. It is probably the easiest way for it to develop, which is why its overwhelming popular, but it's not 'natural'. It's just one strategy.

So we can take a hopeful message that change is possible, that primates like us can have a society that's more communal, that rewards assholes less, if we try to change it.

It doesn't have to be through the assholes dying.

527 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:11:59am

re: #520 Obdicut

Didn't the German government have somewhat of a reputation for transparency?

They were pretty good in promoting themselves that way, yes. But if you want transparent government, you should rather look to the Scandinavian countries, especially Sweden.

528 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:12:00am

re: #524 Varek Raith

Were only specific people targeted?

529 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:12:26am

re: #524 Varek Raith

Yeah, I was just going to quote that part. Holy crap, that thing is SCARY. And the government actually deliberately infected people with this thing.

/And you wonder why I don't run Windows at home anymore...

530 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:13:14am

re: #526 Obdicut

It doesn't have to be through the assholes dying.

Though that wouldn't necessarily be a negative outcome either./

531 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:13:39am

re: #527 000G

Doesn't the tool completely corrupt the chain of evidence? I mean, if the virus is present, wouldn't that mean that any evidence gathered would have to be dismissed because the control of the computer would be so total that anything could get planted there?

So it's only use would be for surveillance, not for actually building criminal cases, which makes it even more inexcusable?

532 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:13:42am

re: #527 000G

Will heads roll?

533 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:13:46am

re: #526 Obdicut

It doesn't have to be through the assholes dying.

Not killing them, just removing them from power. Which, in the case of people like Saddam or Qaddafi, is unfortunately the same thing.

534 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:13:54am

Remember when having a Trojan meant "good things to follow"?
(I could have gone the pun route, but didn't)

535 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:14:47am

re: #534 Cannadian Club Akbar

Remember when having a Trojan meant "good things to follow"?
(I could have gone the pun route, but didn't)

Yes, because I'm old.

536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:15:49am

re: #517 Obdicut

Yep. I'm just waiting on the assholes to die.

537 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:17:47am

re: #515 ralphieboy

To quote our man Herman Cain, I don't have the facts to back this up but...

I am sure that Romney is the prime choice of the GOP establishemnt, but they know they will have a hard time selling him to their own base, so they are hoping to use him as a VP candidate to balance out whichever right-wing fundamentalist does get the nomination.

If that's the case, it's only because they seriously fear that either the base will simply stay home on Election Day or a far-right third party will run a candidate and suck up just enough of the vote to tilt things in Obama's favor.

Both are understandable fears, considering the Clinton years.

538 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:19:34am

re: #523 Sergey Romanov

In the end the Good will certainly triumph over Evil.

Then it will put Evil on its knees and snuff it out bestially.

Basically see Varek Raith. One should add that the software, whose functions are basically overreaching because they are violating limits set forth by the constitutional court a few years ago, was written extremely badly, so that it left the infected computer open to exploits by basically anyone, not just to the government. The CCC expressed this basically in their analysis of the software in question with this snark:

Wir sind hocherfreut, daß sich für die moralisch fragwürdige Tätigkeit der Programmierung der Computerwanze keine fähiger Experte gewinnen ließ und die Aufgabe am Ende bei studentischen Hilfskräften mit noch nicht entwickeltem festen Moralfundament hängenblieb.

translated:

We are most delighted that no competent expert was found for the morally questionable activity of programming a computer bugging device and that in the end the challenge was left to student assistants without fully developed, solid moral fundaments.

539 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:20:23am

re: #531 Obdicut

Doesn't the tool completely corrupt the chain of evidence? I mean, if the virus is present, wouldn't that mean that any evidence gathered would have to be dismissed because the control of the computer would be so total that anything could get planted there?

So it's only use would be for surveillance, not for actually building criminal cases, which makes it even more inexcusable?

It gets better. Because this tool is so ridiculously powerful, it also exposes the infected users to the risk that someone BESIDES the government could access it and do something naughty with it. In addition to making collected evidence even less trustworthy, that would also open up new attack vectors for other malware, or large-scale identity theft, or whatever.

540 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:20:23am

re: #532 Sergey Romanov

Will heads roll?

Very likely. Right now it seems to be a gamble about how many and whose heads (i.e. how high up in the ranks).

541 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:21:33am

re: #528 Sergey Romanov

Were only specific people targeted?

Right now only one source has stepped forward so far, AFAIK.

542 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:23:19am

Alrighty. I'm going for a walk before it gets to hot. BBIAB.

543 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:24:28am

re: #517 Obdicut

And all that had to happen was for all the assholes who thought that life is better if you pass along your pain, if you take out your frustration on other people, all that had to happen was for all of them to die.

What do we learn from this, boys and girls?

544 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:26:31am

re: #531 Obdicut

Doesn't the tool completely corrupt the chain of evidence? I mean, if the virus is present, wouldn't that mean that any evidence gathered would have to be dismissed because the control of the computer would be so total that anything could get planted there?

Well, yes. Consider also the following snippet from the initial CCC press release (emphasis mine):

To avoid revealing the location of the command and control server, all data is redirected through a rented dedicated server in a data center in the USA. The control of this malware is only partially within the borders of its jurisdiction. The instrument could therefore violate the fundamental principle of national sovereignty. Considering the incompetent encryption and the missing digital signatures on the command channel, this poses an unacceptable and incalculable risk. It also poses the question how a citizen is supposed to get their right of legal redress in the case the wiretapping data get lost outside Germany, or the command channel is misused.

----

So its only use would be for surveillance, not for actually building criminal cases, which makes it even more inexcusable?

Yeah, it's a complete clusterfuck. Right now, though, official statements range from flat out denial that it originated from the government at all, that it originated from the federal government, that the federal government was offered such a software but refused its purchase, that the functions had been considered "legitimate" even after the consitutional court's verdict… oh, and also bashing of the liberal justice Minister who had come out early and condemned the software. Pure panic, wonderful.

545 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:29:16am

re: #544 000G

BTW, Russia let that German scholar in after all, citing a "technical mistake" as a reason. Heh.

546 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:38:00am

re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar

We had a pizza place here years ago that had Columbus Day specials:
.14 drafts
.92 pitchers
$1.42 pizzas
$14.92 surf and turf for 2
Was awesome.

Do you get a free blanket contaminated with smallpox with that?

547 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:38:56am

Happy Monday, everyone...I gotta work. Feh.

548 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:39:26am

From the ridiculous to the sublime...

How DARE you not like my Facebook status update!

549 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:39:59am

re: #548 thedopefishlives

From the ridiculous to the sublime...

How DARE you not like my Facebook status update!

Truth be told, she probably didn't like his mother that much, either.

550 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:40:51am

lol:

Agreed, it's not well written. Which, I guess, makes it *more* likely it's developed by a Government...

[Link: twitter.com...]

551 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:41:44am

Fun fact: Soviet bands often ... borrowed (ahem) the Western songs.

Example:

552 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:42:47am

re: #550 000G

The twin pillars of anti-governmentalism:

A) Government is all-powerful and will crush the individual
B) Government is incapable of doing anything well

553 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:47:28am

re: #552 iossarian

Well, most hackers I know are of the sentiment that government is evil and powerful but essentially computer-illiterate and incompetent. It's basically a narrative in which they themselves appear as the competent underdogs fighting "the system".

I think it's not as black-and-white. Sure, there is the typical government slack-job but there's also stuff like Stuxnet.

554 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:49:30am

re: #553 000G

Well, most hackers I know are of the sentiment that government anyone who is not them is evil and powerful but essentially computer-illiterate and incompetent.

I used to teach Computer Science, and hence have a rather jaundiced view of the "skillz" of "hackorz".

555 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:54:38am

re: #554 iossarian

I used to teach Computer Science, and hence have a rather jaundiced view of the "skillz" of "hackorz".

There are a handful of people who understand how to find vulnerabilities in applications. They publish these vulnerabilities and the bulk of hackers simply try to find and attack these vulnerabilities...for example, sending a simple XSS string along with URLs until some server doesn't return a 403...

556 darthstar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 6:56:09am

Okay...wife's still in Italy...time to be a responsible daddy and run the dogs.

See you all later.

557 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:05:07am
558 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:05:08am

re: #537 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If that's the case, it's only because they seriously fear that either the base will simply stay home on Election Day or a far-right third party will run a candidate and suck up just enough of the vote to tilt things in Obama's favor.

Both are understandable fears, considering the Clinton years.

Remember that the Christian Right threatened to run their own candidate in 2008 because they were dissatisfied with McCain's social politics. Which is one of the reasons he had Sarah foisted on him, as a quid-pro-quo for their support.

559 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:09:06am

Neologisms based on foreign terms contest in the Washington Post... This weeks winner....

Cogito Ergo Bum...

Sudden realization of graduating philosophy majors.

560 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:09:10am

re: #558 ralphieboy

Remember that the Christian Right threatened to run their own candidate in 2008 because they were dissatisfied with McCain's social politics. Which is one of the reasons he had Sarah foisted on him, as a quid-pro-quo for their support.

True. I keep wondering if Luap Nor could be convinced to consider a third party run if Romney won the nomination.

561 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:09:19am

An interesting perspective on the perpetual doom and gloom perpetuated by the media:

6 B.S. Myths You Probably Believe About America's 'Enemies'

562 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:09:57am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

onoz
not zat

Image: gadsenflagOWC.png

this reinforces my view that OWS and the Tea Party are all cut from the same cloth, just from different ends of the bolt.
They will both tell you they are neither GOP nor Democrat (although TP leans to the former, OWS to the latter) but that they are against the corrupt establishment of business interests in government.

563 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:12:25am

How likely is it that probability theory is wrong?

564 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:13:08am

re: #563 000G

50/50.

565 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:17:12am

re: #563 000G

Does this sentence have a meaning?

566 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:17:37am

Whoah, deep...

Pass the cheetos, man.

567 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:18:51am

re: #557 Sergey Romanov

onoz
not zat

Image: gadsenflagOWC.png

Gadsden Flag for Zionists. (Hey! If I can make a buck off the Tea Party, why the hell not?)

Now on a T-Shirt!

568 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:19:32am

re: #567 Alouette

What's written on the snake?

569 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:21:35am

re: #568 Sergey Romanov

What's written on the snake?

You mean the snake markings? Does it look like some kind of Arabic? That was on the image I downloaded to wipe the black and yellow and change the colors to blue and white. I have no idea if the markings mean anything.

570 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:22:47am

re: #569 Alouette

Yeah, they look like Arabic. Be careful, who knows... ;)

571 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:26:25am

Well, I can always change the graphic.

I'm surprised at the number of hits for "Israel Gadsden Flag". And it's my graphic, because I embedded a watermark.

572 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:28:24am

re: #571 Alouette

This one is cute:

Image: 4061584390_cef0ed507b.jpg

573 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:29:49am
574 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:29:50am

re: #502 Obdicut
re: #452 000G

That one I don't quite understand. Wouldn't they be very fit to get into the biz themselves and profit from it?
No, pot is more like agriculture than it is pharma.

[Legalization of marijuana] Hasn't a prayer of ever being done, and if it were it'd need competent regulation, so it's just my nice piece of pie up there in the sky.[...]

The need for additional tax revenue will be the driving force behind legalization of marijuana.

575 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:31:19am

re: #572 Sergey Romanov

This one is cute:

Image: 4061584390_cef0ed507b.jpg

It's cute but the snake is more badass. Also, my translation is better. :)

576 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:33:03am

re: #574 BeenHereAwhile

The Pie in the sky bit was basing the idea of success in the prison system off of lower recidivism rates.

577 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:34:02am

re: #567 Alouette

Gadsden Flag for Zionists. (Hey! If I can make a buck off the Tea Party, why the hell not?)

Now on a T-Shirt!

I believe this is the symbol of the "Glass-Tea" Party...

578 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:34:58am

re: #565 iossarian

Does this sentence have a meaning?

Maybe.

;-)

I am into recursive definitions of axiomatic sets.

579 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:38:21am

re: #578 000G

I am into recursive definitions of axiomatic sets.

Kinky.

I'm more of a "if people smile back when I smile at them then we've solved the external sense-data problem" kind of guy.

580 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:49:55am

Chocolate covered pretzels suck.

581 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:51:06am

re: #580 Cannadian Club Akbar

Chocolate covered pretzels suck.

Chocolate covered bacon, on the other hand.

582 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:51:48am

re: #581 thedopefishlives

And actually, I happen to like chocolate covered prezels. As long as the chocolate is of sufficient quality and quantity.

583 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:52:58am

re: #580 Cannadian Club Akbar

Chocolate covered pretzels suck.

WFT???

THey are salty-sweet nuhgets of good ness.

As you can see I feel very strongly about this.

Explain yourself.

584 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:53:28am

re: #580 Cannadian Club Akbar

Chocolate covered pretzels suck.

Never had any interest in pretzels, chips, popcorn

I figured if I'm going to eat something, have a nice ham sandwich ,, or some chicken tenders ,,

585 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:53:48am

re: #583 iossarian

see 584

586 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:11am

re: #583 iossarian

WFT???

THey are salty-sweet nuhgets of good ness.

As you can see I feel very strongly about this.

Explain yourself.

To much salt on pretzel.
Not enough chocolate.
Next time: Peanut M-n-M's.

587 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:20am

re: #581 thedopefishlives

Chocolate covered bacon, on the other hand.

How do you get the pig to hold still long enough to cover him with chocolate?

588 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:54:24am

re: #526 Obdicut

Free baboons with optional robotic arms for every American.

589 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:56:39am

While on my walk, grabbed a Lunchable kinda thing.
Chocolate pretzels: Suck
Sugar Free Jello: Suck
Roast chicken on flatbread: OK
Next time I'm walking by McDonald's. I think the McRib is coming back out soon.

590 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:57:24am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

To much salt on pretzel.
Not enough chocolate.
Next time: Peanut M-n-M's.

Fair dinkum.

A coworker of mine does pretzel sticks with caramel/chocolate dipped in chopped peanuts. MMMM-GOOOD. I think they may make a seasonal appearance for Halloween...

591 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:58:19am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

To much salt on pretzel.
Not enough chocolate.
Next time: Peanut M-n-M's.

see 584,, but add nuts to the list

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 7:59:19am

heh

593 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:01:11am

re: #589 Cannadian Club Akbar

While on my walk, grabbed a Lunchable kinda thing.
Chocolate pretzels: Suck
Sugar Free Jello: Suck
Roast chicken on flatbread: OK
Next time I'm walking by McDonald's. I think the McRib is coming back out soon.

October 24.
[Link: mcdonalds.com...]

594 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:01:27am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh

At one point yesterday, a speaker from Washington, DC, told protesters how to break out of zip ties and handcuffs in case they get collared.

The protest vet, Ryan Clayton, 30, demonstrated how use a bobby pin to spring the cuffs open -- while claiming he was “not encouraging people to break out of restraints.”

Plausible deniability!

595 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:02:00am

re: #587 sattv4u2

How do you get the pig to hold still long enough to cover him with chocolate?

Very Carefully (tm)

596 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:02:02am

re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Using people's well-intentioned actions to cynically hide from law enforcement: the very antithesis of what Wall Street business practices stand for!!!

597 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:02:15am

re: #590 iossarian

Fair dinkum.

A coworker of mine does pretzel sticks with caramel/chocolate dipped in chopped peanuts. MMM-GOOOD. I think they may make a seasonal appearance for Halloween...

That would also be good with a banana in place of pretzels.

598 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:02:46am

re: #595 thedopefishlives

Very Carefully (tm)

What a coincidence. That's exactly how hedgehogs make love.

599 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:03:19am

re: #597 Cannadian Club Akbar

chocolate covered pineapple-ham pizza!!!

600 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:03:43am

re: #598 Sergey Romanov

What a coincidence. That's exactly how hedgehogs make love.

and porcupines

"is that a quill, or are you just happy to see me"

601 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:16am

re: #599 ralphieboy

chocolate covered pineapple-ham pizza!!!

Stop that, now I'm hungry./

602 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:26am

re: #599 ralphieboy

chocolate covered pineapple-ham pizza!!!

Somebody just had a stroke.

603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:04:52am

re: #594 sattv4u2

“On my third day, they had smoked salmon with cream cheese. You know how much smoked salmon is a pound? Sixteen dollars. I eat better here than I do with my parents!”

I fucking love that quote.

604 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:05:53am

re: #602 Sergey Romanov

Somebody just had a stroke.

not quite, we haven't deep-fried it yet!

605 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:06:25am

re: #596 ralphieboy

Using people's well-intentioned actions to cynically hide from law enforcement: the very antithesis of what Wall Street business practices stand for!!!

Someone sign that guy up and give him a ridiculous candy-striped trading blazer!

606 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:08:00am

re: #604 ralphieboy

not quite, we haven't deep-fried it yet!

Put it on a stick and sell it at the Minnesota State Fair.

607 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:08:06am

re: #604 ralphieboy

not quite, we haven't deep-fried it yet!

Add ice cream and we're all set.

608 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:08:29am

re: #604 ralphieboy

not quite, we haven't deep-fried it yet!

When I would have to cut up a whole filet mignon, I would deep fry the small pieces. Deep fried steak!! WOOT!!

609 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:08:32am

re: #603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fucking love that quote.

"MOM,,,, WE"RE OUT OF CHEETOS!!!

610 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:10:16am

Do they deep fry cheetos too?

611 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:10:49am

re: #603 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #609 sattv4u2

"MOM,,, WE"RE OUT OF CHEETOS!!!

"And while you're out, can you get me a new bong?"

612 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:10:51am

re: #610 Sergey Romanov

Do they deep fry cheetos too?

You can deep fry cheese curds. Yummy!!

613 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:11:00am

Stocks rally 2% on Europe hopes

Over the weekend, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy said they have come up with a plan to get Europe's festering debt problems under control. The plan, which will include recapitalizing European banks, will be presented to world leaders at the G20 meeting in Cannes Nov. 3 and 4.

Dow + 257
End the bailouts! Jail the bankers!
/Mindless populist moonbat-wingnut

614 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:11:26am

Is there anything that, when deep-fried, is an abomination unto the Lord?

615 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:11:51am

re: #610 Sergey Romanov

Do they deep fry cheetos too?

re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can deep fry cheese curds. Yummy!!

Even better

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

616 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:11:58am

re: #614 Sergey Romanov

Is there anything that, when deep-fried, is an abomination unto the Lord?

Not in the South.
/

617 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:12:32am

re: #614 Sergey Romanov

Is there anything that, when deep-fried, is an abomination unto the Lord?

Snickers bars.
Twinkies.

The Monte Crisco sandwich sounds totally gross, too.

618 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:12:45am

re: #615 sattv4u2

re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar

Even better

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

I've made butter pie. Taste just like it sounds.

619 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:13:17am

re: #612 Cannadian Club Akbar

You can deep fry cheese curds. Yummy!!

Deep fried cheese curds is, quite possibly, my favorite summer snack ever. I was introduced to them when I first visited the county fair here in Minnesota. Heart attack in a bowl? Sure, but what a way to go!

620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:13:28am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

I hope you saw my 592.

621 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:13:38am

re: #613 Killgore Trout

Do they not realize that their parents (be they retired or still working) retirement funds are tied to all this, and the better those evil Wall Streeters/ Bankers do the better for those 401K (et al) funds?

622 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:14:13am

re: #617 Alouette

Snickers bars.
Twinkies.

The Monte Crisco sandwich sounds totally gross, too.

Monte Cristo sammiches are awesome. With raspberry jam.

623 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:15:47am

re: #621 sattv4u2

Do they not realize that their parents (be they retired or still working) retirement funds are tied to all this, and the better those evil Wall Streeters/ Bankers do the better for those 401K (et al) funds?

The replacement of social retirement schemes with individual savings programs such as 401ks was probably one of the biggest drivers of the late-20th-century boom and bust.

If everyone's 401k went kaput tomorrow, who would lose out, and who would benefit?

624 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:15:47am

Deep-fried air.
Deep-fried vacuum.
Deep-fried angel flesh.
Deep-fried Higgs boson.

There, I contributed ideas to the next Texas State Fair.

625 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:16:30am

re: #624 Sergey Romanov

Deep-fried Higgs boson.

You, sir, win an Internet for that one.

626 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:16:54am

re: #625 thedopefishlives

You, sir, win an Internet for that one.

Where can I collect that?

627 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:18:07am

re: #622 Cannadian Club Akbar

Monte Cristo sammiches are awesome. With raspberry jam melba.

FTFM.

628 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:19:18am

re: #620 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope you saw my 592.

I just got here, thanks for the heads up. What a freakshow.

“You are fulfilling the words of the prophet Isaiah. You have thrown off the yoke. Occupy, occupy, occupy!” shouted Warren Goldstein, chair of the history department at the University of Hartford in Connecticut.

The golden calf sat atop a brown platform that marchers carried on their shoulders. On the platform were the words “false idol.”

The clerics -- some holding signs that read, “Jesus is with the 99%” -- said they were there to support the movement.

That's creepy.

629 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:19:19am

re: #626 Sergey Romanov

Where can I collect that?

On Wall Street

The guy in the 1st photo is holding it for you

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

630 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:20:08am

re: #624 Sergey Romanov

Deep-fried air.
Deep-fried vacuum.
Deep-fried angel flesh.
Deep-fried Higgs boson.

There, I contributed ideas to the next Texas State Fair.

Deep-fried black hole. Really sucks you in.

631 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:21:27am

re: #629 sattv4u2

On Wall Street

The guy in the 1st photo is holding it for you

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

((h/t to FBV, by the way))

632 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:22:29am

re: #626 Sergey Romanov

Where can I collect that?

Image: 3129500936_d2f9c7afdc_d.jpg

633 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:22:58am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

I just got here, thanks for the heads up. What a freakshow.

That's creepy.

I agree, when Moses lead the Israelites out of slavery, it didn't have any economic connotations.

Those Pharaohs were just looking after peoples' 401ks.

634 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:24:15am

re: #630 wrenchwench

Deep-fried black hole. Really sucks you in.

Only Hawking knows the proper recipe, and he's not telling.

635 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:24:36am

re: #634 Sergey Romanov

Only Hawking knows the proper recipe, and he's not telling.

ouch

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:26:21am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

"Well, it's the Post."
-OWS Supporter

637 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:26:57am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Well, it's the Post."
-OWS Supporter

They're probably all wingnut infiltrators!
/

638 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:30:28am

re: #636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Well, it's the Post."
-OWS Supporter

I don't see the point in attacking the Post article - it's pointing out something pretty obvious: crowds attract shifty people.

I'm not sure what the inference is meant to be: are we to conclude that all crowds are composed solely of shifty people? Because that would be logically fallacious.

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:33:12am

re: #638 iossarian

Not all crowds. Certainly these crowds. But not all crowds.

The Tea Party "crowds", for example, have fewer folks willing to squat and shit in the middle of a crowd of people.

640 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:33:30am

re: #638 iossarian

I don't see the point in attacking the Post article - it's pointing out something pretty obvious: crowds attract shifty people.

I'm not sure what the inference is meant to be: are we to conclude that all crowds are composed solely of shifty people? Because that would be logically fallacious.

Wall Street attracting shifty people? An outrage!!! We must put a stop to it!!

641 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:35:28am

re: #638 iossarian

Me thinks you missed the point

The POSTs article is pretty scathing about the crowds OWS is drawing
Criminals hiding "in plain sight",, veteran protesters teaching people how to pick the locks of handcuffs ,, ,etc

In that the POST tends to lean right editorially, the FBV was saying the OWS crowd will be dismissive of the story as "Oh,, there goes that right wing rag again"

642 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:36:01am

re: #638 iossarian


Just as the original Tea Party was a blank canvas onto which the conservative movement could project all its ideals and goals, the OWS movement is a blank canvas onto which they project their bigotry, hatred and xenophobia. That is what the NYP article is about....

643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:36:56am

re: #642 ralphieboy

That's funny right there.

644 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:37:00am

re: #639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not all crowds. Certainly these crowds. But not all crowds.

The Tea Party "crowds", for example, have fewer folks willing to squat and shit in the middle of a crowd of people.

they just smeared their shit all over their signs and banners...

645 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:37:31am

re: #644 ralphieboy

they just smeared their shit all over their signs and banners...

and a police car

646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:00am

re: #644 ralphieboy

Good one.

647 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:10am

re: #644 ralphieboy

re: #645 sattv4u2

and a police car

oh ,.,, wait ,, that didn't happen a a Tea Party event!!

648 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:16am

re: #641 sattv4u2

In that the POST tends to lean right editorially, the FBV was saying the OWS crowd will be dismissive of the story as "Oh,, there goes that right wing rag again"

Where is this "OWS crowd" of whom you speak?

649 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:25am

re: #634 Sergey Romanov

Only Hawking knows the proper recipe, and he's not telling.

I think it has to do with the "deep" part. Can you imagine how deep it would have to be?

650 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:38:32am

I wish people would not use Yom Kippur to brag about how awesome they are because they went to an OWS event instead of services. Please just leave Yom Kippur out of your awesomeness.

651 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:40:03am

re: #648 iossarian

Where is this "OWS crowd" of whom you speak?

umm,, errr ,,, at the OWS protests, I would imagine!!

From the article

But the creeps can’t give a bad name to the group’s overall anti-greed message, protesters said.

SO ,, are the protesters trying to get the "creeps" to leave??

652 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:41:13am

re: #649 wrenchwench

I think it has to do with the "deep" part. Can you imagine how deep it would have to be?

The main thing is to pick the one with no hair.

653 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:42:23am

Man, this sucks.

I have a job interview tomorrow for a legitimate job -- and not only that, but it's a trademark paralegal position and by far the best job I've been able to land an interview for in the last 18 months.

The problem? Right smack dab in the middle of a bout with bronchitis.

If mucus and phlegm were money, I'd be a billionaire.

So I've got two choices: postpone the appointment at the very last moment (their office is closed today, and the interview is at 10:00), which I'm guessing will raise all sorts of red flags about whether or not I'm seriously interested in the position, or show up on time in "full metal mucus" mode.

The problem with option A is that I think the firm is looking to fill this position as soon as possible; I submitted my resume last Wednesday by e-mail, and I had a reply (asking me to come in for an interview) before 8:00 a.m. on Thursday.

The problem with option B is, well, pretty obvious. All I need to do is to start hacking and wheezing in the middle of answering a question and the whole thing turns into a disaster.

Any thoughts from anyone? Is one option better than the other? Is there a third way out of this thing that I'm not seeing? I'm two days into a prednisone taper and a Z-pack, but given my history I really don't expect to see much improvement until Friday or Saturday.

Fate can really be a fucking bitch sometimes, y'know?

654 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:43:32am

BBIAB
(damn work)

655 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:43:40am

re: #653 BongCrodny

Ever try Mucinex?

656 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:43:43am

re: #651 sattv4u2

umm,, errr ,,, at the OWS protests, I would imagine!!

From the article

But the creeps can’t give a bad name to the group’s overall anti-greed message, protesters said.

SO ,, are the protesters trying to get the "creeps" to leave??

Yes they are actually.

There's evidence of their efforts here:

[Link: snotrockets.net...]

657 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:44:54am

re: #654 sattv4u2

BBIAB
(damn work)

Yeah. Kick it for me.

658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:45:32am

re: #653 BongCrodny

My opinion only.

Go to the interview. Explain what is going on and that you are not contagious and may not be at your best...

It will show that you are a trooper.

I'd have to be at death's door to miss a job interview.

659 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:45:38am

This is what "third position"/"third way" populism in the U.S. pretty much always devolves into: drone-like invocation of "The Founding Fathers" and vile anti-semitism:

Highest ranking comments at an Alex Jones YouTube video in which he urges OWS protesters and Tea Partiers to "Break Your Left-Right Conditioning":

Be a Democratic-Republican like Thomas Jefferson

razz187 32 thumbs up

----

Financial Enemy of Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, & America - Jew

1. Goldman Sachs CEO, Lyold Blankfein - Jew

2. IMF Deputy CEO, John Lisky - Jew

3. Ex IMF CEO, Dominic Strauss - Jew

4. World Bank CEO, Robert Zoellick - Jew

5.Ex World Bank CEO, James Woolfesen - Jew

6.Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke - Jew

7.Ex Fed Chairman, Alan Greenspan -Jew

8.Obama Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner -Jew

9.George Bush Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson -Jew
Stevie68000 19 thumbs up

660 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:46:05am

re: #653 BongCrodny

Man, this sucks.

I have a job interview tomorrow for a legitimate job -- and not only that, but it's a trademark paralegal position and by far the best job I've been able to land an interview for in the last 18 months.

The problem? Right smack dab in the middle of a bout with bronchitis.

If mucus and phlegm were money, I'd be a billionaire.

So I've got two choices: postpone the appointment at the very last moment (their office is closed today, and the interview is at 10:00), which I'm guessing will raise all sorts of red flags about whether or not I'm seriously interested in the position, or show up on time in "full metal mucus" mode.

The problem with option A is that I think the firm is looking to fill this position as soon as possible; I submitted my resume last Wednesday by e-mail, and I had a reply (asking me to come in for an interview) before 8:00 a.m. on Thursday.

The problem with option B is, well, pretty obvious. All I need to do is to start hacking and wheezing in the middle of answering a question and the whole thing turns into a disaster.

Any thoughts from anyone? Is one option better than the other? Is there a third way out of this thing that I'm not seeing? I'm two days into a prednisone taper and a Z-pack, but given my history I really don't expect to see much improvement until Friday or Saturday.

Fate can really be a fucking bitch sometimes, y'know?

Is it possible to have a phone interview. I do not think the interviewer will appreciate being exposed to a bunch of germs and viruses. Call and explain the situation and request a phone interview in order to avoid contamination, or ask to reschedule. If you show up to the interview coughing and spreading a cloud of contagion, I don't think that will advance your chances.

661 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:46:42am

re: #653 BongCrodny

Show up, tell them that you're not well but you're prepared to do the interview but if they'd rather reschedule, you'll come back then.

Assuming it's not like three hours away.

Sad to say, but I think employers usually think "Tough enough to show up while sick? Good!" and would probably think, if you called it off, "I have no idea how sick this guy really is, maybe he's a hypochondriac."

If it's for a low-level position, that is.

662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:46:44am

re: #656 iossarian

Yes.

OhCrapSarah mentioned photo mining just yesterday.

Wait. That doesn't work when it's the Right.

663 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:47:54am

re: #655 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ever try Mucinex?

Yeah, got some of that, too. And a puffer. And Robitussin.

I'm a frigging walking pharmacy.

664 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:48:47am

re: #663 BongCrodny

Yeah, got some of that, too. And a puffer. And Robitussin.

I'm a frigging walking pharmacy.

You only need enough of whatever drug to make you good for 2 hours. Other than that, everyone has good ideas.

665 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:49:52am

re: #652 Sergey Romanov

The main thing is to pick the one with no hair.

My geeky niece and nephew sport this t-shirt:

"What happens in the event horizon stays it the event horizon."

Their father wrote his PhD thesis on black holes. He gave me a copy, but I couldn't read it. It was mostly symbols of some sort.

666 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:49:52am

re: #661 Obdicut

Sad to say, but I think employers usually think "Tough enough to show up while sick? Good!" and would probably think, if you called it off, "I have no idea how sick this guy really is, maybe he's a hypochondriac."

Where I work, HR Department has put out a campaign to persuade workers to use their sick days when they get sick! You can not be productive if you are running a 103 fever, and your co-workers don't appreciate you "sharing"

667 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:50:29am

re: #665 wrenchwench

My geeky niece and nephew sport this t-shirt:

"What happens in the event horizon stays it the event horizon."

Their father wrote his PhD thesis on black holes. He gave me a copy, but I couldn't read it. It was mostly symbols of some sort.

So cool.

668 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:51:13am

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes.

OhCrapSarah mentioned photo mining just yesterday.

Wait. That doesn't work when it's the Right.

Look, there are skeezy guys hanging around the Wall Street protests. But there's zero evidence that they have some kind of ideological common cause with the protestors - at the very least that article doesn't present any.

On the other hand, the "Obama==monkey" crowd, while not responsible for the whole Tea Party movement, is certainly integrated in a way that these skeezy guys are not.

669 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:52:40am

re: #666 Alouette

Where I work, HR Department has put out a campaign to persuade workers to use their sick days when they get sick! You can not be productive if you are running a 103 fever, and your co-workers don't appreciate you "sharing"

That works better if you can't be fired for not showing enough "effort". I agree with the premise, people shouldn't go to work sick. But there's a reason they do it in 21st-century America, and it's not all simple workplace machoism.

670 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:54:28am

re: #666 Alouette

Which is smart and how it should be, but in my experience, not the norm.

By showing up and offering to reschedule, he shows he's willing to accommodate policy. If it weren't so early in the morning he could just call and check in.

I assume, BongCrody, you couldn't call right around 9 and if they said "Yes, come in," make it there in time?

671 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:55:20am

re: #669 iossarian

That works better if you can't be fired for not showing enough "effort". I agree with the premise, people shouldn't go to work sick. But there's a reason they do it in 21st-century America, and it's not all simple workplace machoism.

A lot of places have rules where if you miss more than 3 days, you need a Dr's note. Coming from the restaurant industry, I can tell you most places don't give paid days off so many in the industry work while sick. Think of that this cold and flu season.:)

672 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:20am

re: #628 Killgore Trout

I just got here, thanks for the heads up. What a freakshow.

That's creepy.

lol, they even have theatrical performer Slavoj Zizek

673 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:20am

re: #656 iossarian

So it's okay that the OWS crowds ignore the scum that they're attracting because the TP crowds ignored the scum that they attracted

MBF, you are truly an amazingly flexible little pixy!

674 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:57am

re: #659 000G

"Break Your Left-Right Conditioning"

By becoming a raving antisemite?

That's why I wish the OWS crowd would educate themselves about the Federal Reserve. Most of the people who are calling to "End" it are antisemites.

675 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:56:59am

re: #671 Cannadian Club Akbar

A lot of places have rules where if you miss more than 3 days, you need a Dr's note. Coming from the restaurant industry, I can tell you most places don't give paid days off so many in the industry work while sick. Think of that this cold and flu season.:)

The restaurant industry! Oh that's great! They don't care how many customers they might infect by sick workers handling food.

676 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:57:10am

Good morning afternoon lizards.

677 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:57:11am

I see OWS-supporting Kossacks want to "audit the Fed". To what end?

678 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:57:55am

re: #496 ralphieboy

That endorsement will bear a lot of weight among the Fundamentalist Right, and will be used to gloss over all the gaffes Perry makes in the future.

If he can win enough early primaries to establish himself as the front runner and Great White Hope (and not just in the figurative sense) against Obama, then they will start going to great lengths to spin his embarassing statements, inconsistencies and shortcomings.

They're going to have to do something, regarding Perry. No way in hell the GOP/RNC is going to leave their confederate constituency with anything that even appears to be a Cain nomination.

679 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:58:51am

re: #664 Cannadian Club Akbar

You only need enough of whatever drug to make you good for 2 hours. Other than that, everyone has good ideas.

All good ideas from everyone above, and I appreciate the input. Sometimes when you're faced with the choice of two not-ideal options it helps if you can get a second or third pair of eyeballs, so to speak.

I like the "show up prepared" option; that at least will show the powers that be that I want the job.

The funny thing about the situation is that I had an option for an earlier interview, but I chose the later one because it gave me more time to research the job and prepare for the interview.

Turns out that wasn't such a smart move after all. :-P

Thanks for the input, everyone. Very much appreciated.

680 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 8:59:34am

re: #675 Alouette

The restaurant industry! Oh that's great! They don't care how many customers they might infect by sick workers handling food.

And if the Health Department shows up, keep the employee away from them.

681 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:02am

re: #661 Obdicut

Agree

Showing up is win win

Even if they insist on doing the interview "now", they most likely would easily be able to see that BONG really isn't feeling well and will take that into consideration

682 Atlas Fails  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:21am

Good ol' Dim Hoft, feeling left out again.

What a fucking clown.

683 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:22am

re: #653 BongCrodny

I'd show up for it and take my chances. Just politely decline the handshake, and right there is your explanation appearing a bit ill.

684 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We've still got the OWS protesters a few blocks away, and I may get over there again this afternoon to post photos and check things out but I've got to say that Obdicut's poll was quite interesting and informative to give a taste of the views of those protesting. Kudos!

685 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:00:48am

re: #681 sattv4u2

Agree

Showing up is win win

Even if they insist on doing the interview "now", they most likely would easily be able to see that BONG really isn't feeling well and will take that into consideration

Yea, but his name is BONG, so, that can't be good!!
///

686 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:07am

re: #683 Rightwingconspirator

I'd show up for it and take my chances. Just politely decline the handshake, and right there is your explanation appearing a bit ill.

Or Howard Hughes ish!
/

687 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:50am

re: #653 BongCrodny

Put a cough drop in your mouth and go to the interview.

688 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:01:55am

re: #686 sattv4u2

Or Howard Hughes ish!
/

And Donald Trump.

689 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:00am

re: #679 BongCrodny

G'Luck no matter what

690 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:06am

re: #662 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yes.

OhCrapSarah mentioned photo mining just yesterday.

Wait. That doesn't work when it's the Right.

?

691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:02:32am

re: #690 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

?

Wut?

692 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:03:29am

re: #672 000G

lol, they even have theatrical performer Slavoj Zizek

He was there?

He is such a ... smh.

693 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:04:19am

re: #677 Sergey Romanov

I see OWS-supporting Kossacks want to "audit the Fed". To what end?

That's what people who really want to "End the Fed" say when they're feeling a little moderate.

It's already audited on a regular basis, of course. Paulians want Congress to do it, which would destroy the independence the Fed must have.

694 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:04:42am

re: #691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wut?

wart!
Image: Wart2.jpg

695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:04:42am

re: #135 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

From the same page:

Image: 610x.jpg

Photomining daylife pics is fun!

You were responding to some of KT's pictures. But, you knew that.

696 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:01am

re: #670 Obdicut

Which is smart and how it should be, but in my experience, not the norm.

By showing up and offering to reschedule, he shows he's willing to accommodate policy. If it weren't so early in the morning he could just call and check in.

I assume, BongCrody, you couldn't call right around 9 and if they said "Yes, come in," make it there in time?

Theoretically, that wouldn't be a problem -- the firm is only a mile from my apartment and easily within walking distance. My concern with that is simply the lack of advance notice.

My boss at the last IP firm I worked for billed out his time at $525 per hour. Granted, there's a huge difference between D.C. and Maine, but I'm really skeptical that anything positive can result if the very first interaction I have with this firm and attorney is to monkey around with his busy schedule.

697 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:09am

re: #673 sattv4u2

So it's okay that the OWS crowds ignore the scum that they're attracting because the TP crowds ignored the scum that they attracted

MBF, you are truly an amazingly flexible little pixy!

Sigh. The Post article itself accepts that the bad guys are just along for the ride. They explicitly quote protestors saying that their presence shouldn't detract from the protest's message. Not exactly endorsement.

You want to excuse Tea Party racism via some low-life turning up to hang out at a protest, be my guest.

698 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:20am

re: #693 wrenchwench

What are the practical immediate implications of auditing the Fed, and where can I read about it (sane)?

699 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:25am

re: #691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wut?

I wasn't sure what yer post meant.

700 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:28am

re: #497 Sergey Romanov

Romney, Romney. If Mormonism isn't a big thing for Robertson, the rest could be persuadable.

I'm not sure that it's actually a theological issue for most of them, and it probably is one for Robertson.

701 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:05:50am

re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You were responding to some of KT's pictures. But, you knew that.

And?

702 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:06:40am

re: #697 iossarian

You want to excuse Tea Party racism

Yup,, thats exactly what I did

(except for the part where I didn't!)

703 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:06:45am

re: #508 Obdicut

By the way, at the risk of being too hippie-dippie. I'd like to mention something I haven't before.

Since Varek already brought the mood down by mentioning dead friends, I think it's alright to talk about.

I have PTSD, a result of being sexually and physically abused as a child. Normally, I do pretty well with it. But occasionally I have depressive episodes. I can feel them coming before they arrive, and sometimes I manage to combat them, and sometimes I don't. I feel one coming.

So if you notice a sharp change in my mood, depressive attitudes on my part, and most of all if I start saying things that just don't sound like me, please let me know. It really actually helps me to beat it back, because my own perspective, of course, changes as the dark mood overtakes me.

So especially if you hear me saying things that are, well, just downright callous, that would sound better coming from a glibertarian, please tell me.

Thanks.

We gotcha, dude.

704 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:07:26am

*****Shocker Alert******

Fox news mischaracterizes the John Lewis/"Mooonbat" confrontation:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Compare their analysis that Lewis was "shocked' by the proceedings with what Lewis actually said about the events that took place.

705 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:07:59am

My son and his wife and their cute little beebee are flying to Australia to be with my DIL's family for the holidays. That is a tough trek to make with a 10-week-old!

My son's main concern is how will he be able to watch Tigers games Down Under?

706 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:01am

re: #508 Obdicut

{{{manly hug}}}
Hang in there

We've got your back!

707 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:53am

re: #705 Alouette

My son and his wife and their cute little beebee are flying to Australia to be with my DIL's family for the holidays. That is a tough trek to make with a 10-week-old!

My son's main concern is how will he be able to watch Tigers games Down Under?

Internet

MLB.COM

708 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:08:53am

I see Tusk's party got most votes in Poland, and the mental wingnuts came in second. Thank IPU for small favors.

709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:01am

re: #699 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

I wasn't sure what yer post meant.

Really? Wow. That was from this very thread that you mentioned it.

710 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:07am

re: #705 Alouette

Tell him to check MLB.com. Might cost a few bucks, though.

711 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:33am

re: #677 Sergey Romanov

I see OWS-supporting Kossacks want to "audit the Fed". To what end?

"Free banking" / "Wild banking"

Some delusional anarcho-capitalist idea of "decentralizing" banking.

Would look a lot more like the Eurozone, I can predict that much.

712 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:09:40am

re: #707 sattv4u2

Internet

MLB.COM

STOPPPPITTT

713 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:10:43am

re: #709 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Really? Wow. That was from this very thread that you mentioned it.

Yes, it was.

And?

714 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:10:49am

re: #702 sattv4u2

You want to excuse Tea Party racism

Yup,, thats exactly what I did

(except for the part where I didn't!)

Timeline recap:

- NY Post article is linked - article claims (not very controversially) that some low-lifes have been turning up at the OWS protests

- It is unclear what the purpose of the article is: is it to tarnish the image of the protests by claiming that all protestors are low-lifes (unlikely - this would be an Beamonesque leap to a conclusion)

- It is asked whether the protestors are pressuring the low-lifes to leave

- It is pointed out that Tea Party events feature racists carrying racist signs, with no apparent ostracism from other event attendees

- No evidence is provided of low-lifes carrying objectionable signs (e.g., "Give me some free meth, you bastards!") at the OWS protests

- The thread continues...

715 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:10:52am

Heading into DC to see the memorials. Fuck the protesters.

716 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:11:30am

re: #692 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

He was there?

He is such a ... smh.

That's what the NY Post article said. I am assuming this is a quote by him:

“They tell us we are dreamers. The true dreamers are those who think things can go on indefinitely the way they are,” he said. “We are not destroying anything. We are only witnessing how the system is destroying itself.”

717 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:11:48am

re: #698 Sergey Romanov

What are the practical immediate implications of auditing the Fed, and where can I read about it (sane)?

*rummaging through the internet*

brb

718 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:11:54am

re: #707 sattv4u2
re: #710 Cannadian Club Akbar

Internet

MLB.COM

Tell him to check MLB.com. Might cost a few bucks, though.

I'm pretty sure he already has a subscription, LOL.

719 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:12:18am

re: #715 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heading into DC to see the memorials. Fuck the protesters.

I'm glad that period wasn't a comma.
/

720 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:12:39am

re: #549 darthstar

Truth be told, she probably didn't like his mother that much, either.

Fairly typical abuser behavior, just expressed over something new. Ten years ago, it would have been that she didn't praise him enough when he won the football pool at work.

721 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:13:16am

re: #693 wrenchwench

That's what people who really want to "End the Fed" say when they're feeling a little moderate.

It's already audited on a regular basis, of course. Paulians want Congress to do it, which would destroy the independence the Fed must have.

Yeah, that's the other side of the loons: Nationalizing the Federal Rerserve.

722 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:14:38am

re: #714 iossarian

And where that timeline did I "excuse Tea Party racism",??

723 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:15:03am

re: #715 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heading into DC to see the memorials. Fuck the protesters.

Bring condoms, young man!

724 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:16:40am

re: #723 sattv4u2

Bring condoms, young man!

You!..
/

725 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:17:54am

re: #714 iossarian

Timeline recap:

- NY Post article is linked - article claims (not very controversially) that some low-lifes have been turning up at the OWS protests

- It is unclear what the purpose of the article is: is it to tarnish the image of the protests by claiming that all protestors are low-lifes (unlikely - this would be an Beamonesque leap to a conclusion)

- It is asked whether the protestors are pressuring the low-lifes to leave

- It is pointed out that Tea Party events feature racists carrying racist signs, with no apparent ostracism from other event attendees

- No evidence is provided of low-lifes carrying objectionable signs (e.g., "Give me some free meth, you bastards!") at the OWS protests

- The thread continues...

The guy in that "=niggar" photo is this confederate fuck, Dale Robinson.

lmao

726 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:19:43am

re: #722 sattv4u2

And where that timeline did I "excuse Tea Party racism",??

You didn't, in fact you explicitly acknowledged that the Tea Party has a strong undercurrent of racism, right after you admitted that a couple of sketchy guys tagging along with the OWS protest is not in the same league as the mouth-breathers at the heart of Tea Party events.

727 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:20:24am

BBIAB

Have to go set up for the day


GO BREWERS
GO LIONS
GO TIGERS

(heh,, now all we need is bears and I could be Dorothy,,,, , although, the Bears DO play the Lions tonight, but I can't root for both!!)

728 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:21:04am

re: #569 Alouette

You mean the snake markings? Does it look like some kind of Arabic? That was on the image I downloaded to wipe the black and yellow and change the colors to blue and white. I have no idea if the markings mean anything.

It does look--down at the bottom of the coil--as though part of the design is lettering.

But it's probably just decorative squiggles. My last attempt to learn to read Arabic didn't go well. I pick up the spoken language fine, it's a lot like Hebrew, with some fun extra gutterals I can't say right. But the written language boggles my mind.

Fun fact: at least into the 20th century, and maybe today for all I know, swordsmiths in Spain were replicating traditional 'patterns' on sword blades that--if you noticed what you were looking at--were actually verses from the Koran. Not a soul alive for generations and generations read Arabic, and apparently they didn't realize that what they were replicating was writing at all, but it was what you put on a sword blade, damnit.

729 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:21:40am

re: #572 Sergey Romanov

This one is cute:

Image: 4061584390_cef0ed507b.jpg

It's Kippi!

730 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:22:13am

re: #577 ralphieboy

I believe this is the symbol of the "Glass-Tea" Party...

You win the Yiddishe Internet.

731 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:22:21am

re: #726 iossarian

You didn't

Yet in #697 you stated that I was attempting too


You want to excuse Tea Party racism
Odd, that

732 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:23:09am

re: #729 SanFranciscoZionist

It's Kippi!

Who?

733 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:23:43am

re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist

You win the Yiddishe Internet.

Can anybody explain...? :)

734 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:23:45am

re: #731 sattv4u2

You didn't

Yet in #697 you stated that I was attempting too

You want to excuse Tea Party racism
Odd, that

If we can agree that you acknowledge Tea Party racism and accept that the sketchy guys are nowhere near as close to the OWS mainstream, then I will gladly withdraw my #697.

735 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:24:31am

re: #698 Sergey Romanov

What are the practical immediate implications of auditing the Fed, and where can I read about it (sane)?

If you allow the Fed to speak for itself...

...Periodic Reviews and Examinations
All Federal Reserve Banks and branches, like commercial depository institutions, are audited and examined regularly.

Internal audits are conducted by a permanent audit staff at each Reserve Bank. Each audit staff is headed by a general auditor who reports directly to the Bank's board of directors. In addition, a private CPA firm conducts an annual examination of each Reserve Bank and its branches on behalf of the Federal Reserve Board. External audits were instituted in recent years in place of annual examinations by the Board of Governors to ensure total independence in this process.

Operations at each Federal Reserve Bank also are subject to review by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the audit arm of the U.S. Congress. However, GAO auditors are restricted by law from reviewing monetary policy operations and transactions carried out by the Federal Reserve on behalf of foreign central banks. This restriction was imposed by Congress to assure the independence of the Federal Reserve from political influence.

[...]

Emphasis added.

Wiki has a lot of info, but in a quick scan I didn't see stuff that points right to this question. I did notice that under "Critics of the Federal Reserve" the number one listed is the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

736 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:25:38am

re: #733 Sergey Romanov

Can anybody explain...? :)

Do you like to drink tea from a teacup, or a glass?

737 iossarian  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:25:59am

oops - biab

738 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:26:28am

re: #674 wrenchwench

By becoming a raving antisemite?

That's why I wish the OWS crowd would educate themselves about the Federal Reserve. Most of the people who are calling to "End" it are antisemites.

Politics is mostly a game of instincts. Antisemitism panders to a lot of them.

This might get a lot uglier. I am not so sure the antisemites will be able to be shamed back into the corner as much anymore – basically because the lack of education about the banking system is much more pervasive than just among antisemites and the problems with the banking system really are core elements of the crisis.

739 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:28:47am

re: #735 wrenchwench

Thanks, ww, will wade.

740 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:29:06am

re: #736 Alouette

A cup...

741 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:29:38am

re: #594 sattv4u2

At one point yesterday, a speaker from Washington, DC, told protesters how to break out of zip ties and handcuffs in case they get collared.

The protest vet, Ryan Clayton, 30, demonstrated how use a bobby pin to spring the cuffs open -- while claiming he was “not encouraging people to break out of restraints.”

Plausible deniability!

I was once arrested at a demo, and they flex-cuffed us before putting us in the paddywagon. Since we were mostly middle-aged ladies, and nuns, they didn't flex-cuff us very carefully; it was extremely pro-forma. (If one of us had made a run for it, they would have been grateful. They didn't want to make the arrests to begin with.)

Anyway, as they were driving us to the station, one of the ladies discovered that she could slip her hands out of the cuffs, so she showed everyone. "Pam!" someone else said. "Put those back on! We are supposed to be cooperating!" So she did.

(At the station, they told everyone to take them off if they'd come off, and otherwise to let the guy with the snips remove them. One side of mine was actually tight enough, so I had to get help from snips man. This led to one of the funniest moments of my arrest, when the friend who was with me explained to me that she thought you could UNzip them, and tried to show me how she thought this worked.)

742 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:31:47am

re: #738 000G

Politics is mostly a game of instincts.

This might get a lot uglier. I am not so sure the antisemites will be able to be shamed back into the corner as much anymore – basically because the lack of education about the banking system is much more pervasive than just among antisemites and the problems with the banking system really are core elements of the crisis.

Oh, it's going to get really ugly. Especially the better Ron Paul and Herman Cain do in these whackodoodle summits and whatnot, the more desperate the GOP is going to get.

The dumb confederates in OWS screeching about the Fed are a perfect foil to cover their own party's implosion. Even as Ron Paul is all their very own.

The GE next year is going to be in a really bad way.

743 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:33:30am

Was just reading the comments on Fark on a linked article about how the US is 5th in the world in capital punishment (in terms of absolute executions), and Teabaggers seem to be making a big deal out of the fact that Obama supposedly ordered the execution of a US citizen without facing his accuser, a trial by a jury of his peers, or a proper appeal. Do people REALLY see it this way? Can they really be so pigheadedly ideological as to skip over the whole "signed up to fight for an ENEMY ARMY" bit?

744 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:33:36am

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

Whoa!! No one told me criminals hang out here!!!
/

745 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:33:56am

re: #658 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My opinion only.

Go to the interview. Explain what is going on and that you are not contagious and may not be at your best...

It will show that you are a trooper.

I'd have to be at death's door to miss a job interview.

I tend to agree. It's not perfect, but if they have common sense they'll see that you're tough, and will make a good employee when you heal up.

746 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:35:05am

Well I guess the lizard luck works, I finished my concrete pour, and I'm still married. My forms didn't blow out (4' high wall) but did get a little pregnant. Oh well thanx for the luck!

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:35:57am

re: #677 Sergey Romanov

I see OWS-supporting Kossacks want to "audit the Fed". To what end?

They've been told something good might happen if they did. Maybe the person who has all the money they were supposed to have will be obliged to give it back.

748 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:36:10am

Attention depressed Sarah Plain fans: turn that frown upside down! Joe the Plumber is running for congress!

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

749 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:36:30am

bbiab...

750 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:37:47am

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

They've been told something good might happen if they did. Maybe the person who has all the money they were supposed to have will be obliged to give it back.

1) Audit the Fed
2) ...
3) Profit

751 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:38:40am

re: #748 bratwurst

Attention depressed Sarah Plain fans: turn that frown upside down! Joe the Plumber is running for congress!

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

Oh my.

Who would vote for that? LOL

752 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:38:44am

re: #742 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Herman Cain really infuriates the Paulbots because a) he swooned the Tea Party ("Created by Ron Paul! Hijacked by establishment Republicans!"), b) is former Federal Reserve of Kansas chairman and to this day apologetic about the banking system, and c) whips up crowds with his amplified version of mainstream GOP foreign policy talking points (absolutely hated by Paulbots).

Wonder if the GOP's inner dynamic will play out to an actual showdown between Cain and Paul. The mayhem…

753 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:39:04am

re: #748 bratwurst

Attention depressed Sarah Plain fans: turn that frown upside down! Joe the Plumber is running for congress!

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

I like how they mention his "every man" bit without also mentioning that he was full of shit.

754 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:39:08am

re: #738 000G

Politics is mostly a game of instincts. Antisemitism panders to a lot of them.

This might get a lot uglier. I am not so sure the antisemites will be able to be shamed back into the corner as much anymore – basically because the lack of education about the banking system is much more pervasive than just among antisemites and the problems with the banking system really are core elements of the crisis.

The OWS crowd seem ripe to be picked by the populist anti-Fed Paulians, and some who go beyond the Paulians. Scroll down to the attendees list.

Also:

755 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:39:57am

re: #732 Sergey Romanov

Who?


Kippi ben Kipod
(Kippi, Son of Hedgehog), is a character on Rechov Sumsum, the Israeli version of Sesame Street. He is a hedgehog (as the name indicates).

756 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:40:18am

re: #751 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Oh my.

Who would vote for that? LOL

Why do you think I mentioned "Sarah Palin fans"?

757 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:41:09am

re: #748 bratwurst

Attention depressed Sarah Plain fans: turn that frown upside down! Joe the Plumber is running for congress!

[Link: politicalwire.com...]

He needs bigger tits.

758 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:42:34am

re: #733 Sergey Romanov

Can anybody explain...? :)

Older European Jews (and these days, younger European Jews), drink tea from glasses, rather than teacups, which makes them stand out in the United States. The invitation to have 'a glezel tay' goes directly into English as 'have a glass tea'.

759 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:42:38am

re: #755 SanFranciscoZionist


Kippi ben Kipod
(Kippi, Son of Hedgehog), is a character on Rechov Sumsum, the Israeli version of Sesame Street. He is a hedgehog (as the name indicates).

I think he looks more like Mr. Pricklepants.

760 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:44:06am

re: #752 000G

Herman Cain really infuriates the Paulbots because a) he swooned the Tea Party ("Created by Ron Paul! Hijacked by establishment Republicans!"), b) is former Federal Reserve of Kansas chairman and to this day apologetic about the banking system, and c) whips up crowds with his amplified version of mainstream GOP foreign policy talking points (absolutely hated by Paulbots).

Wonder if the GOP's inner dynamic will play out to an actual showdown between Cain and Paul. The mayhem…

Oh yeah. They resent it that Cain has stolen their thunder. I think it's hilarious, myself. I've said from the start of his candidacy I hope he's watching his back with these pitchforks, who will turn on him in a hot second if he slips up.

761 Lidane  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:45:19am

Anyone here have a handy list of articles debunking the autism/MMR vaccine link? I could use the help, as a friend of mine is considering delaying giving her infant son his vaccines because she's afraid he'll become autistic.

Thanks!

763 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:48:19am

re: #762 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perry's "Mormonism is a Cult" preacher says Satan is behind the Roman Catholic Church

When I finally sat down and watched the Fischer talk yesterday, I realized it was actually anti-Muslim.

You have to stand up for freedom of religion for everyone, not just yourself, just like freedom of speech.

764 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:48:24am

re: #752 000G

Wonder if the GOP's inner dynamic will play out to an actual showdown between Cain and Paul. The mayhem…

It's starting to rumble...

765 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:48:28am

re: #761 Lidane

Anyone here have a handy list of articles debunking the autism/MMR vaccine link? I could use the help, as a friend of mine is considering delaying giving her infant son his vaccines because she's afraid he'll become autistic.

Thanks!

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]

766 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:48:40am

re: #756 bratwurst

Why do you think I mentioned "Sarah Palin fans"?

Yeah, since she threw in the towel before even taking it off the towelrack, there's a mad rush for her fanbase.

Re: the broader GOP 12 race, I really did think they would try and get someone not-crazy for the ticket. Romney is as close as it comes but he's a panderer like the rest.

How do these people think they can win an election with 23-percenters?

767 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:49:10am

re: #761 Lidane

Anyone here have a handy list of articles debunking the autism/MMR vaccine link? I could use the help, as a friend of mine is considering delaying giving her infant son his vaccines because she's afraid he'll become autistic.

Thanks!

*face palm*

How about, instead, you ask your friend to show you documented evidence that there IS a link beterrn vaccines and autism. However you might show her this.

768 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:12am

re: #766 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

How do these people think they can win an election with 23-percenters?

Jesus

769 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:35am

re: #761 Lidane

Anyone here have a handy list of articles debunking the autism/MMR vaccine link? I could use the help, as a friend of mine is considering delaying giving her infant son his vaccines because she's afraid he'll become autistic.

Thanks!

Do you have a 19th century cemetery near you? A walk through there is really helpful.

770 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:42am

re: #764 wrenchwench

It's starting to rumble...

Nothing quite like inter-party warfare to warm my cold, cold heart.

/

771 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:50:53am

re: #767 Alouette

*face palm*

How about, instead, you ask your friend to show you documented evidence that there IS a link beterrn vaccines and autism. However you might show her this.

beterrn?

772 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:51:32am

re: #764 wrenchwench

It's starting to rumble...

Oh, it's been rumbling for a while now, ever since Cain showed up. But that forum and other conspirologist swamps are not the GOP.

If Bachmann continues to be out and Perry is not going to make a comeback, it's between Cain and Perry to carry the RWNJ vote. Romney's biggest hope: watching as much action as possible from the sidelines.

773 Lidane  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:52:58am

re: #767 Alouette

*face palm*

How about, instead, you ask your friend to show you documented evidence that there IS a link beterrn vaccines and autism. However you might show her this.

Yeah, I know. According to her, she's been reading " a ton of articles" about the links between austim and MMR. I've pointed out that the entire study was predicated on a lie and that the guy behind it was discredited and had his medical license revoked. The NYT link will hopefully help.

I just don't want to see my friends leave their kids unprotected because of faulty science.

774 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:55:54am

re: #773 Lidane

Yeah, I know. According to her, she's been reading " a ton of articles" about the links between austim and MMR. I've pointed out that the entire study was predicated on a lie and that the guy behind it was discredited and had his medical license revoked. The NYT link will hopefully help.

I just don't want to see my friends leave their kids unprotected because of faulty science.

Eventually, enough people will fall for this to break down herd immunity. This is a bad thing. A very bad thing.

I remember having Chicken Pox, and how miserable it was. I wouldn't even eat ice cream.

My children were immunized, and they got chicken pock. (This is my joke. One of my children got a single pock. The other ones got, at most, four or five.) Their cases were so light that I would happily immunize them again, even with getting the disease.

775 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:56:29am

re: #773 Lidane

Yeah, I know. According to her, she's been reading " a ton of articles" about the links between austim and MMR. I've pointed out that the entire study was predicated on a lie and that the guy behind it was discredited and had his medical license revoked. The NYT link will hopefully help.

I just don't want to see my friends leave their kids unprotected because of faulty science.

Slap her upside the head, and ask "What are you, stupid?!"

/

776 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:58:29am

re: #768 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Jesus

Ah, right. I keep forgetting about him.

777 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:58:31am

re: #773 Lidane

Yeah, I know. According to her, she's been reading " a ton of articles" about the links between austim and MMR. I've pointed out that the entire study was predicated on a lie and that the guy behind it was discredited and had his medical license revoked. The NYT link will hopefully help.

I just don't want to see my friends leave their kids unprotected because of faulty science.

I think you've done the key thing, which is to point out that the one study that was so heavily emphasized by the fearful was proven to be irreparably flawed. (You might also want to point out that Jenny McCarthy, who did so very much to promote the fear has now decided that maybe her son wasn't autistic at all.)

I assume she has doctors to discuss this with as well. All I can suggest is, be supportive, but keep pointing to the facts.

778 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:59:09am

re: #774 EmmmieG

Eventually, enough people will fall for this to break down herd immunity. This is a bad thing. A very bad thing.

I remember having Chicken Pox, and how miserable it was. I wouldn't even eat ice cream.

My children were immunized, and they got chicken pock. (This is my joke. One of my children got a single pock. The other ones got, at most, four or five.) Their cases were so light that I would happily immunize them again, even with getting the disease.

I had chicken pox at the age of twenty-four.

I do not recommend this as the way to do it.

779 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:59:30am

re: #75 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but this is hilarious:

Judicial Watch: ACORN Behind Occupy Wall Street Protest

And I think the women of the Amazon tribe are helping them (with their pet Dodo's). I am glad to see Acorn coming back from the dead tho'.

780 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 9:59:58am

re: #773 Lidane

Yeah, I know. According to her, she's been reading " a ton of articles" about the links between austim and MMR. I've pointed out that the entire study was predicated on a lie and that the guy behind it was discredited and had his medical license revoked. The NYT link will hopefully help.

I just don't want to see my friends leave their kids unprotected because of faulty science.

Why should she trust a medical professional with years of training and education with the health of her child when she can simply rely on anonymous articles on the internet?

///

781 Kragar  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:00:14am

re: #776 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Ah, right. I keep forgetting about him.

Heathen.

782 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:01:30am

re: #779 RayFerd

And I think the women of the Amazon tribe are helping them (with their pet Dodo's). I am glad to see Acorn coming back from the dead tho'.

And where ACORN is, can the tattooed Iranian jihadis and the Big Mexican Women be far behind?

783 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:03:08am

Oh, totally OT--

I experienced a First World Problem the other day, and as I was being annoyed, I thought, Hey! This is such a First World Problem.

The guy ahead of me to claim a sample at Costco stood there in front of the samples and ate it instead of moving to the side so I could get one. I was annoyed a whole 60 seconds while he was eating his sample.

And it wasn't a good one, either.

784 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:07:06am

re: #781 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heathen.

Hellbound on a bananapeel, yeps.

785 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 10:32:41am

re: #769 EmmmieG

Do you have a 19th century cemetery near you? A walk through there is really helpful.

This.

786 Dire Straits  Mon, Oct 10, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #785 wlewisiii

This.

Oh man I love old cemeteries!


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