Motor City mouthAfter Right Wing Watch released their video of caveman guitarist Ted Nugent saying he’d “either be dead or in jail” if Obama is reelected, the Secret Service got interested.
Update: A spokesman for the Secret Service tells us, “We are aware of it, and we’ll conduct an appropriate follow up.”
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:49:37am |
It was probably his other comments they're looking into:
Nugent Compared Obama and Democrats to a Coyote that Needs to Be Shot
Our President and Attorney General, Vice President, Hillary Clinton, they’re criminals, they’re criminals. […]
It isn’t the enemy that ruined America. It’s good people who bent over and let the enemy in.
If the coyote’s in your living room pissing on your couch, it’s not the coyote’s fault. It’s your fault for not shooting him. […]
We’re Americans because we defied the king. We didn’t negotiate or compromise with the king. We defied the emperors. We are patriots. We are Braveheart.
We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?
Um, actually we did end up negotiating with the king. I'm guessing the Nuge isn't big on history.
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makeitstop Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:49:44am |
Interesting - Nuge is kicking off a tour in two days. I'm sure the resultant publicity is just a coincidence.
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erik_t Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:49:59am |
Threaten that you'll either be dead or in jail, get sent to jail for making the threat.
Meta.
(Won't happen of course, nor should it)
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Pete Puma Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:51:23am |
Ah, he'd probably claim he had cat scratch fever and get off on a technicality.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:51:59am |
Bet you he claims this is proof of oppression even though SS is non-partisan.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:55:05am |
re: #6 HappyWarrior
Bet you he claims this is proof of oppression even though SS is non-partisan.
Doesn't matter to him and the RWNJs because the Secret Service is part of the Executive Branch, which means the President is ultimately in charge.
Therefore, Crazy Uncle Ted is having his rights curtailed by Obama's jackbooted thugs.
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Simply Sarah Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:56:40am |
I figure that with all the negative press for the Secret Service the last few days, he'll get off easier than he otherwise might have. Granted, I doubt much would happen either way.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:58:09am |
Eh. I couldn't care less about what happens to that jerk. But I guess yesterday I didn't get the full impact of his words, i.e. a possible threat to Obama. If so, maybe he needs to go to jail right now, why wait?
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:58:40am |
re: #9 Gus
I eagerly await comment from Mitt Romney.
[Crickets]
"The shithead hasbeens are just the right height."
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makeitstop Tue, Apr 17, 2012 10:59:56am |
re: #9 Gus
I eagerly await comment from Mitt Romney.
[Crickets]
Fair point. If Hilary Rosen gets tagged as 'an Obama spokesperson' and the administration has to renounce her comments (which they did), then Romney should be held to account for every hateful word Nugent vomits out.
It'll never happen, though.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:00:59am |
re: #12 Tommy's cone of shame
I blame it on cat scratch fever.
The progressive cognitive degeneration brought about from wangoing too many tangos
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nines09 Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:01:12am |
Ted Nugent. Another example that money doesn't give you class. Maybe it's all that wild meat he's eaten. He's got worms.
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Kronocide Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:02:05am |
Anybody who uses analogies combining coyotes and urine is a moron.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:02:51am |
re: #2 Kragar
We did, in fact, negotiate with the King. That is what the Treaty of Paris of 1783 was, a negotiated end to the war. We didn't carry it to Britain's shores (aside from a few daring raiding parties), and so negotiation was the only possible way to end it.
But that's the real world and real US history, and doesn't involve enough piss and coyotes.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:03:35am |
re: #17 Kronocide
Anybody who uses analogies combining coyotes and urine is a moron.
Has anyone told him "Ted, urine trouble" yet?
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:03:39am |
re: #13 makeitstop
Especially since Romney sought out Nugent's endorsement, and Obama did not seek out Rosen's. Romney is much more closely tied to Nugent.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:03:40am |
re: #9 Gus
I eagerly await comment from Mitt Romney.
[Crickets]
Oh I know, *not something I would have said*
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:04:16am |
Nugent -> Political Cesspool -> bunch of racist dipshits.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:04:46am |
re: #23 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars
Nugent -> Political Cesspool -> bunch of racist dipshits.
Which ties in with the previous post.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:04:56am |
Someone needs to gather all the names and make a visual network representation.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:05:00am |
re: #23 The Nightmare of the five Orders of Beggars
Nugent -> Political Cesspool -> bunch of racist dipshits.
At least they're honest about what they are.
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Kronocide Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:07:31am |
That was the best coyote/piss analogy I've ever heard. Epic.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:07:43am |
Ted Nugent. Warrior, patriot, Tea Party role model, and the draft:
"I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up."
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:07:46am |
re: #18 Obdicut
We did, in fact, negotiate with the King. That is what the Treaty of Paris of 1783 was, a negotiated end to the war. We didn't carry it to Britain's shores (aside from a few daring raiding parties), and so negotiation was the only possible way to end it.
But that's the real world and real US history, and doesn't involve enough piss and coyotes.
We are Braveheart.
Castrated, with our head on a pike and our remains quartered and sent across the kingdom?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:08:19am |
re: #28 Gus
Perfect Twitter Warrior.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:08:37am |
re: #28 Gus
Also: ewww.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:10:34am |
re: #28 Gus
Ted Nugent. Warrior, patriot, Tea Party role model, and the draft:
I think I'll refer to him as Ted Crustypants from now on.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:11:17am |
re: #33 CuriousLurker
I think I'll refer to him as Ted Crustypants from now on.
Ted "Crustypants the Clown" Nugent
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:12:13am |
OH NOES! Liberal Gestapo investigates free citizen Ted for merely expressing his right to advocate insurrection and threaten the President. Oppressors! Fiends! Stalinists!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:12:51am |
Ted "KKKrusty" Nugent.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:12:54am |
re: #28 Gus
Ted Nugent. Warrior, patriot, Tea Party role model, and the draft:
That's a man's man right there. And he has the nerve to give opponents of current wars shit. Ted heal yourself first.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:14:07am |
re: #33 CuriousLurker
I think I'll refer to him as Ted Crustypants from now on.
Yet another conservative icon who decided to sit out the Southeast Asian unpleasantness (most uncomfortably in his case).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15:04am |
Rush "Buttcyst" Limbaugh.
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Varek Raith Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15:14am |
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15:38am |
re: #39 Shiplord Kirel
Yet another conservative icon who decided to sit out the Southeast Asian unpleasantness (most uncomfortably in his case).
Yeah, but he's "drug free", loves guns and wears American flag shirts.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:15:39am |
Stinky Ted.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:16:20am |
re: #39 Shiplord Kirel
Yet another conservative icon who decided to sit out the Southeast Asian unpleasantness (most uncomfortably in his case).
There's more who sat that out than went. Most of the conservative Vietnam vets are the sane ones on foreign policy. Coincidence maybe but I think these guys understand war better than tools like Teddy here.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:17:09am |
You can't question me! I have the word "patriot" in my profile and I have an American flag for my profile pic!
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:17:20am |
I could see shitting yourself once you arrived in Vietnam, but to avoid even going there?
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labman57 Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:19:27am |
Sounds like a veiled threat to attack the POTUS -- if Obama wins, Teddy will go after him ... unsuccessfully ... and end up either dead or in jail as a result.
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Batman Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:21:10am |
Listen, if the president gets killed by a has-been rockstar, you don't blame the rockstar, you blame the people who voted for the president. Any questions?
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labman57 Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:24:45am |
re: #46 Gus
Between the Patriot Act and the rise of the tea party, I suspect that the term "patriot" will forever carry the connotation of members of a political body who promote intolerance and oppression against anyone who has a culture, lifestyle, religion, or ethnic heritage that differs from their own.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:28:42am |
Ted Nugent:
-“If you don’t know that our government is wiping its ass with the constitution, you’re living under a rock someplace.”
-“We’ve got four Supreme Court justices who don’t believe in the constitution.”
-“If Barack Obama becomes the President in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”
- “Our President, Attorney General, our Vice-President, Hillary Clinton – they’re criminals.”
-“We need to ride into the battlefield and chop their heads off in November.”
-“It’s as Nazi Germany as it gets.”
- “We need to become warriors on the streets of America.”
Charles Pierce:
"As conservatism was developing its powerful infrastructure, the Democratic party was still sucking its thumb over what happened to George McGovern in 1972. While conservative millionaires were pouring money into the construction of the network of institutions on the right, the Democrats were throwing themselves, through the creation of the Democratic Leadership Council, in the general direction of the same money. Nothing arose on the left, or around the Democratic party, that remotely resembled the formidable arsenal of opinion that developed on the right, and of which the Republicans took full advantage, not realizing at the time that all of that success was hollowing out their party's essential intellect until all that is left today is raw, overwhelming id."
[Link: www.esquire.com...]
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:30:53am |
re: #52 jaunte
Ted Nugent:
Charles Pierce:
"As conservatism was developing its powerful infrastructure, the Democratic party was still sucking its thumb over what happened to George McGovern in 1972. While conservative millionaires were pouring money into the construction of the network of institutions on the right, the Democrats were throwing themselves, through the creation of the Democratic Leadership Council, in the general direction of the same money. Nothing arose on the left, or around the Democratic party, that remotely resembled the formidable arsenal of opinion that developed on the right, and of which the Republicans took full advantage, not realizing at the time that all of that success was hollowing out their party's essential intellect until all that is left today is raw, overwhelming id."
[Link: www.esquire.com...]
Yeah just like Nazi Germany which is why Ted is saying all this stuff from a concentration camp. Oh wait, he's supporting Obama's opponent. I really hate it when people compare any leader of the US's rule to Nazi Germany. Not only is it stupid but it's insulting too.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:32:12am |
re: #53 HappyWarrior
He's a prefect representative of the neo Republican id iot.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:33:34am |
Romney ignores @CNN's questions about his alliance with Ted Nugent: bit.ly/IFox0I— PFAW (@peoplefor) April 17, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:34:48am |
after a long heart&soul conversation with MittRomney today I concluded this goodman will properly represent we the people & I endorsed him
— Ted Nugent (@TedNugent) March 2, 2012
Endorsed by psychopaths!
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:36:19am |
re: #56 jaunte
Endorsed by psychopaths!
Oh yeah! Look at this Tweet from a PROGRESSIVE threatening Ann Romney.
//Twitchy
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:41:13am |
re: #55 Gus
I stopped reading at Romney ignores since that's his strategy when something like this happens. Can't hide forever Mitt.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:43:20am |
Breaking: To get past Ted Nugent flap, Mitt Romney announces endorsement from Insane Clown Posse. #CampaigningHowDoesItWork
— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) April 17, 2012
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:44:13am |
I recall that when I was attending Indiana University in my freshman year, Ted Nugent Live was one of those albums you could hear at almost any time of day or night coming from behind a towel-stuffed doorway.
Along with Boston, Leftoverture by Kansas, Wings Over America, Dreamboat Annie by Heart, Fly Like an Eagle by Steve Miller, 2112 by Rush and Peter Frampton Comes Alive.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:45:06am |
re: #61 jaunte
[Embedded content]
I'm waiting for Fred Durst, hey he has Kid Rock. My Dad likes to joke that he likes Democrats winning better because they get the better musicians to play for them.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:45:54am |
Como se dice “Etch a Sketch” en espanol?
Donovan Slack: "Over the weekend, I noticed that Kris Kobach, Mitt Romney’s unpaid immigration adviser -- and the inspiration for Romney’s “voluntary deportation” strategy – wasn’t included in a fairly comprehensive Boston Globe rundown of staff, advisers and the kitchen cabinet types."
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A Mom Anon Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:47:29am |
What a phony,lying sack. Mr All American Family man,sure he is. Someone should ask him about Pele Massa. She's not the only underage girl he's been associated with either.
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:49:58am |
re: #53 HappyWarrior
Yeah just like Nazi Germany which is why Ted is saying all this stuff from a concentration camp. Oh wait, he's supporting Obama's opponent. I really hate it when people compare any leader of the US's rule to Nazi Germany. Not only is it stupid but it's insulting too.
The brownshirts are just having problems finding his address.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:50:07am |
re: #64 jaunte
He should have said hide and go seek not Etch a Sketch. Mr. Romney's what's your position on Lily Ledbetter? *hides*
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:51:53am |
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:51:56am |
after a long heart&soul conversation with MittRomney today I concluded this goodman will properly represent we the people & I endorsed him
— Ted Nugent (@TedNugent) March 2, 2012
So Romney won't have to suck his gun?
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:54:02am |
re: #70 The Ghost of a Flea
His shit-crusted gun.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 11:54:14am |
Honestly I am surprised he endorsed Romney. He was a Huckabee guy I think in 2008. It would be darkly humorous if Romney's policies resulted in him losing his beloved arsenal but knowing hacks like Ted he'd blame Obama since everything is Obama's fault.
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Interesting Times Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:03:39pm |
Is Nugent's threat to kill the president "a gift"?— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) April 17, 2012
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:05:20pm |
South Carolina's Attorney General Raises Money for James O'Keefe
Apparently, South Carolina’s top prosecutor, Republican Alan Wilson, has no problem aiding an activist who not only has deceptively manipulated and edited videos of his past “stings” but also “received three years of probation, a fine of $1,500 and 100 hours of community service” after pleading guilty “to entering real property belonging to the United States under false pretenses.” O’Keefe and his cohorts dressed up as telephone workers and tried to tamper with the phones of Senator Mary Landrieu’s office.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:06:59pm |
re: #74 Kragar
South Carolina's Attorney General Raises Money for James O'Keefe
Now, that's leadership.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:08:41pm |
This is why I am so vicious against the Taliban:
Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack
About 150 Afghan schoolgirls were poisoned on Tuesday after drinking contaminated water at a high school in the country's north, officials said, blaming it on conservative radicals opposed to female education.
Everytime something like this happens, the same feeling boils up. That the Taliban are not humans, they are demons, and need to be treated as such. If someone defends the Taliban in front of me, I assume them to be my enemy, and treat them as a terrorist. This is what got me and the MSA President in confrontation, as he said I should get off their back.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:09:26pm |
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Shvaughn Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:10:28pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
That the Taliban are not humans, they are demons, and need to be treated as such.
You're literally dehumanizing and demonizing other people. No good can ever come from that.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:10:46pm |
Every evil person throughout history: Turns out they were all humans, no actual demons. Whodathunk it?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:12:31pm |
re: #79 Obdicut
Every evil person throughout history: Turns out they were all humans, no actual demons. Whodathunk it?
I thought the British royals were reptles though. Anyhow, my shot at Dave Icke aside I agree with what you're saying. Humans are capable of such genuine decency and evil and often it all interlaps.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:12:54pm |
re: #79 Obdicut
Every evil person throughout history: Turns out they were all humans, no actual demons. Whodathunk it?
Well, obviously they weren't demons. The demons fled their bodies once the host died. Duh.
/
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:13:02pm |
re: #79 Obdicut
I admit it isn't rational, but a reflex based on pre-existing anger.
At the same time, this is why the Taliban should not be at any negotiating table.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:14:13pm |
re: #82 ProGunLiberal
I admit it isn't rational, but a reflex based on pre-existing anger.
At the same time, this is why the Taliban should not be at any negotiating table.
Just say that instead of dehumanizing them. You risk making yourself sound like what you hate when you do that.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:15:06pm |
re: #48 labman57
Sounds like a veiled threat to attack the POTUS -- if Obama wins, Teddy will go after him ... unsuccessfully ... and end up either dead or in jail as a result.
Or that Obama's jackbooted thugs would kill him or throw him in a deep, dark hole simply because he speaks Truth©...
Could have been a veiled threat, could have been a Black Helicopter delusion; either way, it's batshit crazy.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:15:26pm |
Wow, the GOP confidence in Romney is amazing.
Poll: Christie Leads Republicans, Democrats Want Clinton In 2016
A new national survey from Public Policy Polling (D) shows that the perferred matchup for partisans in a 2016 presidential matchup is a contest between current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R).
On the Democratic side, the battle isn’t close – Clinton gets 57 percent of the vote, with current Vice President Joe Biden the only other candidate in double digits with 14. Christie wins a trial heat among Republicans in a squeaker, 21 percent of the total, followed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at 17 percent each, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum at 12 and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) at 10 to round out those GOP candidates in double digits.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:15:44pm |
re: #82 ProGunLiberal
It's not a reflex. You typed it out. That's not a reflexive action. You really have to stop excusing yourself and really, really deal with your anger addiction.
The Taliban are humans. Humans are capable of enormous acts of evil. Saying that they are not human and deserve to be treated as such is bizarre eliminationist rhetoric nearly similar to what the Taliban uses.
Please, please stop making excuses for your behavior. If you want to fly off the handle and say that some people are human, I'm not going to stop you, but don't bullshit that it's a reflex. It's not.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:16:23pm |
I don't have my writings on my computer here but there's a line I used that describes the complexity of man, on how good men can do evil and bad ones can do good even. I'm not suggesting I don't believe in evil, quite the contrary actuallly but rather that we are complex beings.
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blueraven Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:17:30pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
This is why I am so vicious against the Taliban:
Afghan schoolgirls poisoned in anti-education attack
Everytime something like this happens, the same feeling boils up. That the Taliban are not humans, they are demons, and need to be treated as such. If someone defends the Taliban in front of me, I assume them to be my enemy, and treat them as a terrorist. This is what got me and the MSA President in confrontation, as he said I should get off their back.
Boy, it is always about YOU! This is an evil act, no doubt about it. These poor girls are the victims...You are NOT.
Your editorializing always brings it back to YOUR feelings and YOUR problems and actions.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:18:28pm |
I'll bet the little coward shit himself again...
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:18:44pm |
re: #85 Kragar
Wow, the GOP confidence in Romney is amazing.
Poll: Christie Leads Republicans, Democrats Want Clinton In 2016
Christie I definitely see making a run, but I think Hillary's made it clear that after this year, she's calling it quits. Personally can't blame her, between the hate directed her as First Lady, a presidential candidate, and now SecState, the woman has gotta be really wanting some quiet time away from the loonies.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:19:18pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice
She'll probably be able to play king (or queen) maker pretty effectively.
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gwangung Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:20:25pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice
Christie I definitely see making a run, but I think Hillary's made it clear that after this year, she's calling it quits. Personally can't blame her, between the hate directed her as First Lady, a presidential candidate, and now SecState, the woman has gotta be really wanting some quiet time away from the loonies.
Heck, I'm not sure she'd even want to wait until 2016 to do that...I think she wants to get out of there in 2013...
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:21:14pm |
re: #92 gwangung
Heck, I'm not sure she'd even want to wait until 2016 to do that...I think she wants to get out of there in 2013...
I'd have to dig for the article, but she was saying a short while back that she's pretty much already tendered her resignation after this year. That if Obama gets reelected, he'll be shopping around for a new SecState come next year.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:21:27pm |
re: #76 ProGunLiberal
You must learn to govern your passions, lest you become what you hate.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:21:30pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice
Christie I definitely see making a run, but I think Hillary's made it clear that after this year, she's calling it quits. Personally can't blame her, between the hate directed her as First Lady, a presidential candidate, and now SecState, the woman has gotta be really wanting some quiet time away from the loonies.
Am I the only one who sees Christie as a "paper frontrunner?" I just see Rudy Redux with the guy. He'll run a smarter campaign but I can't see that guy doing well with Evangelicals and rural voters who make up a big chunk of Republican primary voters. Yes, Santorum's Catholic too but Christie isn't their type and he doesn't have Mitt's war chest.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:22:06pm |
re: #82 ProGunLiberal
I admit it isn't rational, but a reflex based on pre-existing anger.
At the same time, this is why the Taliban should not be at any negotiating table.
It's a learned behavior, and you learned it from a master. Go get a serious guru who can help you unlearn it. If you don't, you are going to dominate the news cycle for one slow weekend.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:23:00pm |
re: #95 HappyWarrior
Am I the only one who sees Christie as a "paper frontrunner?" I just see Rudy Redux with the guy. He'll run a smarter campaign but I can't see that guy doing well with Evangelicals and rural voters who make up a big chunk of Republican primary voters. Yes, Santorum's Catholic too but Christie isn't their type and he doesn't have Mitt's war chest.
I see Christie as a runner, but I think Santorum's setting himself up as '16's "inevitable candidate," assuming Willard gets his ass handed to him in November.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:23:35pm |
re: #85 Kragar
Wow, the GOP confidence in Romney is amazing.
Poll: Christie Leads Republicans, Democrats Want Clinton In 2016
Christies problem is that of Santorum this year - Santorum will be the party anointed one in 2916 (heh: 2016, ok? :) ) and the system will be stacked against him. Too bad ... not.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:23:57pm |
re: #97 Targetpractice
I see Christie as a runner, but I think Santorum's setting himself up as '16's "inevitable candidate," assuming Willard gets his ass handed to him in November.
It will back rather than buck trends if Santorum is the frontrunner in 2016.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:24:17pm |
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:25:08pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:25:36pm |
re: #101 Obdicut
Damn GOP reanimators.
Better joke than I had for that typo. 958 year old Santorum may be more sane than 58 year old RS though.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:26:44pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:28:43pm |
re: #100 HappyWarrior
It will back rather than buck trends if Santorum is the frontrunner in 2016.
He will have the argument that the GOP wants to hear: "We lost in 2012 because did not nominate a true conservative!"
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:29:22pm |
re: #105 Expand Your Ground
He will have the argument that the GOP wants to hear: "We lost in 2012 because did not nominate a true conservative!"
Precisely. He's probably already got the draft of the stump speech ready to go.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:29:43pm |
re: #102 Kragar
re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis
I find it telling they're already counting Romney out of the 2016 running.
I'm reminded of the toxicity of of Mondale in and after '84 in the Democratic Party. Mittens will be worse if he fails and I expect he will given how huge chunks of the base think he's simply a white Obama and that being Mormon is little different from Muslim. Going to be lots of them staying home unless the Crazy Uncle goes for a third party run and that would be a delightful thing to see :)
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:30:18pm |
re: #100 HappyWarrior
It will back rather than buck trends if Santorum is the frontrunner in 2016.
Pretty much. Any "moderate" candidates out there that are speculated to be '16 contenders? Yeah, you can pretty much write them off in the wake of a Romney loss. Rick's got himself rather nicely set up as the guy to beat and anybody who looks even the least bit to the left of him will be savaged in the primaries.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:30:44pm |
re: #106 HappyWarrior
Precisely. He's probably already got the draft of the stump speech ready to go.
He'll give it election night right after Mittens concession speech.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:30:52pm |
re: #104 HappyWarrior
Only Grover won though.
Who is this Thomas? I know the answer is obvious, but I can't figure it out.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:33:06pm |
re: #110 ProGunLiberal
Only Grover won though.
Who is this Thomas? I know the answer is obvious, but I can't figure it out.
Dewey. He ran in '44 and '48. And would have again in '52 if not for Ike. I was talking about the nominating process though. You get one chance as nominee. There are no second acts in modern American candidacies to steal Fitzgerald's line about second acts in American lives. There's another pattern those four guys have too and it's they were all young politically. All under 50 I believe for most of their political hay-day.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:34:56pm |
Can't help noticing that Ted Nugent has ... ahem ... a ponytail.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:35:22pm |
re: #112 Charles Johnson
Can't help noticing that Ted Nugent has ... ahem ... a ponytail.
I was going to mention that.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:35:23pm |
re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis
He'll give it election night right after Mittens concession speech.
I figure I'll be waiting a bit, but I'm curious to see whether or not Santorum will ultimately endorse Romney or if he'll just go with the non-committal "vote you conscience" bit. Charlie Pierce, quoted above, has been on record saying that if Ricky wants to be considered the heir-apparent in the aftermath of a Romney bust, he has to "forgive" Romney and endorse him. I don't think, with the base as it is, that that would go over well.
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:35:34pm |
Emily Hauser:
I’m on record as being constantly afraid for Barack Obama’s life, but I’ll be honest: I don’t really think that Ted Nugent’s about to take up arms against the President of these United States. He has a big mouth, and his life is now largely dedicated to trolling the America left. Whatevs, dude.
But the thing is, Ted Nugent is not the only American nutjob with a gun. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but as a nation, we are fairly bristling with guns, not to mention those who like to use them.
My concern is not that Nugent will storm the ramparts, but that someone listening to him will think that he offers a spiffing solution to the nation’s problems, and oh hey! I have a big gun right here!
There are surely those who agree, and will continue to agree, that political violence is a good idea, especially when they hear the thundering silence from the right that refuses to condemn such rhetoric. But if the Secret Service makes its presence felt? It’ll slow a few hands.
[Link: emilylhauserinmyhead.wordpress.com...]
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:35:55pm |
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jaunte Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:36:14pm |
re: #112 Charles Johnson
His must have lost the magic a while back.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:36:22pm |
Stinky B should be set upon anyone who mentions 2016 before Dec 2012.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:37:06pm |
re: #115 jaunte
Well, the Secret Service is making its presence felt, so Mission Accomplished.
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:37:20pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:38:16pm |
re: #116 ProGunLiberal
Oh, okay.
If you said Dewey, I would know who was being talked about.
Gotcha. But anyhow my bet is if he had ran in '52, he would have lost to Taft. Many were convinced that Dewey lost because he wasn't conservative enough. Sound familiar? Dewey is a good guy iin my book even though HST is my favorite 20th century president.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:40:04pm |
re: #121 HappyWarrior
I think all the Presidents between FDR and JFK were great.
Hell, Johnson wasn't too bad if you take Vietnam out of the picture. Which is difficult.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:42:03pm |
re: #122 ProGunLiberal
I think all the Presidents between FDR and JFK were great.
Hell, Johnson wasn't too bad if you take Vietnam out of the picture. Which is difficult.
Nixon, judged solely by his first term, did some amazing work.
Of course once you add in Watergate...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:44:15pm |
re: #123 Kragar
Nixon, judged solely by his first term, did some amazing work.
Of course once you add in Watergate...
Carter was fine, if you overlook Khomeni.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:46:34pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
Carter was fine, if you overlook Khomeni.
Ghengis Kahn was great if you overlook the pillaging.
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Sionainn Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:48:19pm |
re: #96 Decatur Deb
It's a learned behavior, and you learned it from a master. Go get a serious guru who can help you unlearn it. If you don't, you are going to dominate the news cycle for one slow weekend.
Excellent point. It is a learned behavior...I should know...I've had plenty of anger issues myself, thanks to watching how my dad handles life. I've had to make a conscious effort to react in a reasonable and appropriate way since I've had children because I definitely don't want them to grow up with the same problem. I'm not always successful, but it's better day by day. I also take the time to discuss with them more appropriate ways to deal with things that happen that they don't like instead of them throwing a fit. I'm a lot happier without all that anger. That shit'll kill you.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:48:26pm |
re: #126 Kragar
Ghengis Kahn was great if you overlook the pillaging.
William Teach performed amazing feats of seamanship.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:48:26pm |
re: #126 Kragar
He only killed on a larger scale than others. He did tons of cool stuff, too. And he remained OG Mongol.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:48:40pm |
re: #124 Decatur Deb
Carter was fine, if you overlook Khomeni.
...and the economy and gas prices and OPEC. I'm not a Carter fan but I'm not sure how much of his failed presidency was his fault.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:49:39pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
...and the economy and gas prices and OPEC. I'm not a Carter fan but I'm not sure how much of his failed presidency was his fault.
It was all Khomeni, I tell you--and that damned Playboy interview.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:50:38pm |
re: #131 Decatur Deb
The Rabbit Incident didn't help.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:51:21pm |
NRO -> Robert Weissberg -> American Renaissance -> James Edwards -> Ted Nugent -> Mitt Romney
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:51:44pm |
Looks like one guy in Europe is taking points from the Republican Party
Anders Behring #Breivik claims victims were not innocent and compares them to the Hitler Youth gu.com/p/37v7k/tw #Counterjihad #Terrorism
— Luther Blissetts (@LutherBlissetts) April 17, 2012
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:53:23pm |
re: #133 Gus
I think it's time for a flowchart or family tree of this.
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lawhawk Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:54:01pm |
re: #134 ProGunLiberal
Comparing the kids he killed to the Hitler Youth, all while he rants and raves about the need to protect whites from the incoming Islamic hordes and non-whites.
Yeah, cognitive dissonance is alive and well...
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:54:10pm |
re: #135 ProGunLiberal
I think it's time for a flowchart or family tree of this.
I'm thinking about it. Wondering if there's some kind of program to make it easier. I forgot the name of the website that does this for political types.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:54:15pm |
re: #133 Gus
NRO -> Robert Weissberg -> American Renaissance -> James Edwards -> Ted Nugent -> Mitt Romney
Yeah, but where's the connection Kevin Bacon?
///
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:54:34pm |
re: #134 ProGunLiberal
Looks like one guy in Europe is taking points from the Republican Party
He might get some discussion on that with a certain Pope.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:55:10pm |
re: #137 Gus
If you want to collaborate on something, I'm good at making wireframes and stuff. I won't have free time for a big project until this weekend, though.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:55:28pm |
re: #135 ProGunLiberal
I think it's time for a flowchart or family tree of this.
There is some kind of analytical 'bubble' graphic that displays the direction and strength of such relationships. Don't have it at hand, and I gave away my graphical presentation textbooks when I left Army..
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:55:52pm |
re: #138 Targetpractice
Yeah, but where's the connection Kevin Bacon?
///
NRO -> Robert Weissberg -> American Renaissance -> James Edwards -> Ted Nugent -> Mitt Romney
↑
Kevin Bacon
Fixed!
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:56:30pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
If you want to collaborate on something, I'm good at making wireframes and stuff. I won't have free time for a big project until this weekend, though.
OK. We'll see what happens. It's probably a huge project when you think about it.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:57:13pm |
re: #139 wrenchwench
With that dickweed Benedict? Yeah, I can see it.
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:57:39pm |
Fischer: The Federal Income Tax is 'Flatly Unconstitutional'
Bryan Fischer apparently decided that it was as good a time as any to reveal that he happens to subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the Federal Government has no authority to collect income taxes and the only reason he even agrees to pay this "extortion money" is because he doesn't want to go to jail:
The US Constitution: section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:58:19pm |
re: #143 Gus
OK. We'll see what happens. It's probably a huge project when you think about it.
Probably easiest to just demonstrate how Romney is tied to the worst of the worst.
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:58:37pm |
re: #144 ProGunLiberal
With that dickweed Benedict? Yeah, I can see it.
Now, now. No need to be disrespectful. And I don't consider a child responsible for Hitler's actions.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:59:40pm |
re: #145 Kragar
Fischer: The Federal Income Tax is 'Flatly Unconstitutional'
The US Constitution: section 8The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
He only Renders unto Caesar.
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Targetpractice Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:59:46pm |
re: #145 Kragar
Fischer: The Federal Income Tax is 'Flatly Unconstitutional'
The US Constitution: section 8The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Likewise
The US Constitution: Amendment 16
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:59:53pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Probably easiest to just demonstrate how Romney is tied to the worst of the worst.
It's all there in his financial disclosure documentation.
Oh....
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 12:59:56pm |
re: #146 Obdicut
Probably easiest to just demonstrate how Romney is tied to the worst of the worst.
Yeah. As a starting off point that would be good. Place Romney in the center. Keep your eyes on the prize and all that.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:01:28pm |
re: #147 wrenchwench
Oh, not even thinking about that. I'm thinking of other things aside from Benedict's childhood.
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:01:36pm |
Ted Nugent (I)
was in
Private Parts (1997)
with
Ali Marsh
was in
Picture Perfect (1997)
with
Kevin Bacon
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:02:54pm |
re: #152 ProGunLiberal
Oh, not even thinking about that. I'm thinking of other things aside from Benedict's childhood.
That warrant the epithet? Control your language and you control your thinking.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:02:57pm |
re: #153 Gus
2 Degrees of separation, right?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:03:41pm |
OMG! Radical fundie Mormons!
It's not really about the money. Mrs. Romney's Mormon faith glorifies motherhood — and preaches the need for women to sacrifice their careers
I've done my fair share of goofing on Mormons but you have to acknowledge they are some of the happiest and family oriented people you'll ever meet.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:03:42pm |
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:05:07pm |
re: #156 Gus
[Link: oracleofbacon.org...]
Mitt Romney
was in
"Late Show with David Letterman" (1993) {(#19.61)}
with
Tom Cruise
was in
2000 Blockbuster Entertainment Awards (2000) (TV)
with
Kevin Bacon
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:05:21pm |
re: #154 wrenchwench
I can back down on the epithet. However, the current Pope has been an exceedingly poor leader. The Child Sex Abuse Scandal for starters.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:05:28pm |
re: #6 HappyWarrior
Bet you he claims this is proof of oppression even though SS is non-partisan.
He'll use it to claim that Obama is using Ted's "patriotic" rant as way of distracting people from the Secret Service prostitution scandal.
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:05:48pm |
re: #160 ProGunLiberal
I can back down on the epithet. However, the current Pope has been an exceedingly poor leader. The Child Sex Abuse Scandal for starters.
Agreed.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:06:55pm |
re: #153 Gus
I (1)
worked on an audio/book version of Kung Fu Panda with
Jack Black (2)
Who was in Run Ronnie Run with
Steve Warren (3)
Who was in Jayne Mansfield's Car with
Kevin Bacon (4)
So I have a Bacon number of 4, right?
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wrenchwench Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:07:01pm |
Off to the bank. Anybody want anything?
/mega
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:07:38pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
You managed to quantify happiness at some point? Wasn't that tricky?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:08:11pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
OMG! Radical fundie Mormons!
I've done my fair share of goofing on Mormons but you have to acknowledge they are some of the happiest and family oriented people you'll ever meet.
It's supposed to be about individual choice: families are supposed to be free to work out the career/family balance that suits them best.
Which is not the Mormon approach...
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Kragar Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:08:55pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
You managed to quantify happiness at some point? Wasn't that tricky?
I hit peak "crush my enemies, see them driven before me and heard the lamentations of the women."
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:09:03pm |
re: #163 Obdicut
Going by the Oracle of Bacon, it actually seems to be three.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:09:59pm |
re: #165 Obdicut
You managed to quantify happiness at some point? Wasn't that tricky?
Not really. They also tend to not give a shit about converting people when not on a mission. They're really nice people.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:10:56pm |
re: #93 Targetpractice
I'd have to dig for the article, but she was saying a short while back that she's pretty much already tendered her resignation after this year. That if Obama gets reelected, he'll be shopping around for a new SecState come next year.
Let him hire Jon Huntsman. It's not like the GOP wants him anyway.
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Obdicut Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:11:38pm |
re: #169 Killgore Trout
Not really. They also tend to not give a shit about converting people when not on a mission. They're really nice people.
That's nice. Vague generalizations about groups being nice is a pretty useful thing, and very supportable.
Weird.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:14:23pm |
re: #170 Lidane
Let him hire Jon Huntsman. It's not like the GOP wants him anyway.
That's actually not a bad idea; I hope they have both considered it.
To the base, Huntsman is and will always be a RINO, for being a Mormon and for working for Obama, so he might as well do some good and take it as far as he can.
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Lidane Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:18:31pm |
re: #172 GnarlyGnomeOfGnowledge
That's actually not a bad idea; I hope they have both considered it.
To the base, Huntsman is and will always be a RINO, for being a Mormon and for working for Obama, so he might as well do some good and take it as far as he can.
Plus, fluent in Mandarin and spent years as the Ambassador to China. If that doesn't qualify him for the job, I don't know what else does.
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Shvaughn Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:32:09pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
OMG! Radical fundie Mormons!
I've done my fair share of goofing on Mormons but you have to acknowledge they are some of the happiest and family oriented people you'll ever meet.
Unless you're talking about gay families.
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Shvaughn Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:34:25pm |
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Gus Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:36:36pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
OMG! Radical fundie Mormons!
I've done my fair share of goofing on Mormons but you have to acknowledge they are some of the happiest and family oriented people you'll ever meet.
Buzzfeed swings.
And misses.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Apr 17, 2012 1:47:14pm |
re: #174 Shvaughn
Unless you're talking about gay families.
it just so happens that their nice people want to prevent our nice people from being treated as equal under the constitution, because sodomites or whatever
Church power structures seem to just always be evil, it just so happens
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