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Congress Stands on Edge of Fiscal Cliff, Considers Jumping

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The latest word from Washington DC, via Politico:

When Barack Obama was first elected, the Republican Party publicly pledged to obstruct everything he tried to do, with the goal of making him a one-term president. They failed at this goal, and now it seems like the GOP has decided to punish America for reelecting Obama.

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183 comments

1 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:20:38pm

We deserve whatever we get for being welfare freeloaders, union thugs, secularists and abortion enablers...

/

2 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:21:47pm

The asshole gloats:

3 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:24:03pm

I commend the Democrats for being consistent and not wanting to extend Obama's "temporary tax cut" on the employee's half of Social Security taxes.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Now if only they can agree to eliminate all of the Bush tax cuts, and not just the ones for "the rich." Combine that with a reduction in Corporate tax, and I'd be happy.

4 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:27:02pm

I see the GOP has not learned the lessons of Henry Clay.

5 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:28:29pm

GOP Calls For An America With Fewer Job Consumers

"give a man a job, and he can eat shit for a day; teach him how to make his own job and he can make other people eat shit"

6 sagehen  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:32:07pm

This President's anger management skills far outstrip anything I could bring to bear. I am in awe.

7 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:32:21pm

re: #1 Sol Berdinowitz

We deserve whatever we get for being welfare freeloaders, union thugs, secularists and abortion enablers...

/

we are still coddling millions of americans by giving them jobs for free

america will not survive economically unless we make people pay for their jobs, like in capitalist paradises like switzerland

8 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:33:14pm

GOP: "See what you made us do?!!"

9 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:33:47pm

re: #6 sagehen

This President's anger management skills far outstrip anything I could bring to bear. I am in awe.

Seriously. The man has impressive Zen skillz. If it was me, I'd be sending Boehner's tanning booth to Gitmo until this shit got resolved.

10 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:34:56pm

re: #6 sagehen

This President's anger management skills far outstrip anything I could bring to bear. I am in awe.

Same here, and I'm quite a mellow sort.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:35:28pm

re: #9 Lidane

How about locking them into a room and giving them prune juice and no toilet? half /

12 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:39:15pm

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

How about locking them into a room and giving them prune juice and no toilet? half /

That would certainly help the GOP. SRV knows that party desperately needs an enema.

13 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:42:00pm

Well this is what Krauthammer was advocating on Fox in that video you posted a couple of days back Charles. He said don't compromise, go over the cliff if that is what it takes and then threaten a fiscal default again in February when the GOP "has the upper hand."

It looks like that is where we are headed, credit ratings and interest rates be damned, the GOP is probably going to hold out for more "leverage." Stupid fucking bastards honestly don't give a shit about this country or the majority of its citizens anymore. They serve an ideology designed to bring back the halcyon days of the robber barons and they are getting pretty close to making it a reality.

14 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:42:03pm

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

15 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:42:33pm

pretty damn funny needed breaky.

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:43:36pm

re: #7 engineer cat

we are still coddling millions of americans by giving them jobs for free

america will not survive economically unless we make people pay for their jobs, like in capitalist paradises like switzerland

I always felt that in Mitt Romney's America, the goal would be to have everybody lined up outside the Home Depot every morning. Managers would show up with their flatbed trucks and announce that they need six bookkepers, two accounts managers and an IT specialist, nine-fifty an hour, no benefits...
That would do a lot to improve individual initiative and encourage Job Creators to work their Market Magic.

17 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:43:52pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Obama Phones

18 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:45:21pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Obama Ring
Hampton Roads Speech Bombshell Video

19 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:45:30pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

The whole false-flag parade, led by "Sandy Hook Was an Administration Job".

20 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:46:01pm

THE RING! lol Gus, forgot that one.

21 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:46:35pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Breitbart was poisoned?

22 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:46:43pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Legitimate rape
Dick Morris and his A+ election prediction skillz
Donald Trump
Clint Eastwood yelling at a chair
the 47%
The RWNJ uproar about that pizza guy who hugged Obama
Chris Christie getting blamed for Obama's re-election because he was a professional during Sandy

23 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:48:17pm

re: #22 Lidane

Legitimate rape
Dick Morris and his A+ election prediction skillz
Donald Trump
Clint Eastwood yelling at a chair
the 47%
The RWNJ uproar about that pizza guy who hugged Obama
Chris Christie getting blamed for Obama's re-election because he was a professional during Sandy

Unskewed polling!

24 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:48:36pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Obama Campaign Flag

25 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:48:47pm
26 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:49:49pm
27 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:49:51pm

re: #18 Gus

Obama Ring
Hampton Roads Speech Bombshell Video

Oh yes, the secret Islamic decoder ring. That should be in there.

re: #17 Stanghazi

Obama Phones

This one too!

28 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:50:28pm

re: #16 Sol Berdinowitz

I always felt that in Mitt Romney's America, the goal would be to have everybody lined up outside the Home Depot every morning. Managers would show up with their flatbed trucks and announce that they need six bookkepers, two accounts managers and an IT specialist, nine-fifty an hour, no benefits...
That would do a lot to improve individual initiative and encourage Job Creators to work their Market Magic.

the old dockside 'shape-up'!

yah - if you talk to people like this, it turns out they really have no idea what was wrong with working conditions during the industrial revolution - child labor, 16 hour workdays, 6.5 day weeks, no minimum wage, no workplace protections...

either they deny it ever happened or argue that it was a good thing

29 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:50:41pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Repealing the Affordable Care Act 30 times!

30 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:51:07pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

What did Michelle do wrong this year?

There's gotta be something. (I personally blank that shit out)

31 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:51:10pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, the secret Islamic decoder ring. That should be in there.

re: #17 Stanghazi

This one too!

Agenda 21

32 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:51:52pm

Trayvon Martin

33 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:52:13pm

re: #31 Gus

Agenda 21

That's not an exclusively 2012 deal.

34 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:52:35pm

re: #3 ReamWorks SKG

Why do we need a reduction in the corporate rate tax when they are already making the highest profits ever? Not just in monetary terms but also as a percentage of the national GDP. Even with the existing tax rates many corporations are paying nothing or next to nothing while profiting billions.

You just need to hire a lobbyist to spread a few campaign donations around then get a congressman to submit a loophole for your business. They do it all the damn time, no big deal, then it wont matter anymore what the statutory rate is.

35 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:52:55pm

Dinesh D'Souza - 2016: Obama's America
Dinesh D'Souza's divorce

36 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:52:57pm

tax consequences of teh Cliff

Payroll Tax - 2013 will bring the expiration of the payroll tax cut enacted by Congress in 2011. Starting next year, the current employee payroll tax rate of 4.2 percent will go back to 6.2 percent.

Higher Tax Levels - At the end of the year, the Bush-era tax cuts are slated to expire. Unless these cuts are extended, tax rates will revert to 2001 levels. The current 10 percent tax bracket will be eliminated, making 15 percent the lowest tax bracket. The existing 25 percent tax bracket will increase to 28 percent, the current 28 percent tax bracket will increase to 31 percent, the 33 percent tax bracket will increase to 36 percent, and the 35 percent tax bracket will increase to 39.6 percent.

Capital Gains and Dividend Taxes - The expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts will also bring changes to capital gains and dividend taxes. In 2013, the top capital gains rate for most investors is slated to jump to 20 percent from its current rate of 15 percent. Taxpayers in the current 10 percent and 15 percent tax brackets – who do not have to pay any tax on long-term capital gains and dividends – will pay 10 percent on long-term gains. The treatment of dividend income will change as well. Currently, income from qualified dividends is treated as capital gains and taxed with a top rate of 15 percent. Next year, dividend income will instead be taxed as ordinary income, with a top rate of 39.6 as outlined above. While taxes on long-term capital gains and dividends will go up for everyone, these changes could result in substantial increases for high-income earners.

Estate Tax - The estate tax is also scheduled to jump from 35 percent to 55 percent in 2013, while the value of estate assets excluded from estate taxes will drop from $5.12 million to $1 million.

Marriage Penalty - The marriage penalty will reappear in 2013, potentially resulting in a greater tax burden for married couples filling jointly.

if you look at it from another point of view, it might seem like the republican party is taking it out on the 'job creators' in a passive/aggressive kind of way - most of these breaks for them, such as capital gains and the estate tax, might not be so easy to put back in

37 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:53:10pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, the secret Islamic decoder ring. That should be in there.

re: #17 Stanghazi

This one too!

The UN disability treaty is going to overturn US sovereignty.

38 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:53:19pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Unskewed polling!

I think this has to be in there too. Definitely one of the most inadvertently hilarious stories.

39 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:53:22pm

The most vile, fake, and racist was "Dreams From My Real Father".

40 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:53:34pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Solyndra!

Also Richard "rape babies are God's gift" Mourdock.

41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:54:50pm

I can't put everything in there - that's what I meant by having a hard time narrowing it down. When you start thinking about all the fake stories promoted by the right this year it's kind of mind-boggling.

42 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:55:45pm

Boehner: Don’t blame GOP for fiscal cliff

“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame,” the top Republican in Congress said in a statement shortly after an interview aired in which Obama accused Republicans of dropping the ball on negotiations to prevent huge tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on January 1.

“Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs,” Boehner added.

“We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

I'm pretty fucking comfortable with blaming the GOP.

43 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:55:56pm

OT, but tomorrow I embark on a huge step in my life: My wife and I are officially going to begin trying for our first child.

44 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:56:18pm

Obama's Forward is from a Nazi Youth marching song, from the Deigod of Derpitude, Hoft...

Warning: Steaming cesspit of hate and lies:

[Link: www.thegatewaypundit.com...]

45 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:57:08pm

re: #43 dragonfire1981

OT, but tomorrow I embark on a huge step in my life: My wife and I are officially going to begin trying for our first child.

So I suppose you've had "The Talk". Let us know if there are any gaps.

46 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:57:16pm

re: #43 dragonfire1981

Best of luck to you, and it's more worth it if you have lots of fun trying...

47 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:57:23pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I can't put everything in there - that's what I meant by having a hard time narrowing it down. When you start thinking about all the fake stories promoted by the right this year it's kind of mind-boggling.

If you mention the wingnut freakouts about birth control, you have to include the photo of an all-male clergy panel testifying before Congress. If that single image doesn't sum up the RWNJ obsession with controlling women and their bodies I don't know what does.

48 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:57:42pm

re: #42 Kragar

Boehner: Don’t blame GOP for fiscal cliff

I'm pretty fucking comfortable with blaming the GOP.

“We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

*couBULLSHITgh*

49 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:57:51pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I can't put everything in there - that's what I meant by having a hard time narrowing it down. When you start thinking about all the fake stories promoted by the right this year it's kind of mind-boggling.

It really is

50 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:58:22pm
They failed at this goal, and now it seems like the GOP has decided to punish America for reelecting Obama.

They would have punished America a lot worse if we had elected them. Remember the Ryan budget? Remember lowering revenues, raising medicare costs, raising military spending, and replacing medicare and social security with a couple of coupons for aspirin and a ticket for the lottery redeemable at charles shwab.

51 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:58:42pm

re: #42 Kragar

Boehner: Don’t blame GOP for fiscal cliff

"Obama won't do what we want him to do! It's all his fault!"

Fuck that. I'm glad POTUS decided to stop negotiating with himself.

52 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:59:30pm

re: #42 Kragar

So "balanced" means sucking Grover Norquest's dick and lowering taxes on the rich?

53 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:59:48pm

There's also the Navy Seals say Obama didn't make the call to kill Bin Laden thing, but that's only a subset, not the whole chorus.

54 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:00:18pm

I've recently been reading about Dwight Eisenhower. What an interesting life. He would be thrown out of today's GOP so fast that he'd probably catch on fire from air friction.

55 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:00:51pm

Grover grover.

Forgot he was a fucking muppet

56 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:01:25pm

How about all of the fruits of the elected Tea Party member's labour?

How the Tea Party has infected affected State bills.

57 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:01:43pm

re: #51 Lidane

Fuck that. I'm glad POTUS decided to stop negotiating with himself.

Obama: "Here's my offer."
GOP: "Make the tax cuts permanent for everybody! And make deeper cuts!"
Obama: "What cuts do you want me to make?"
GOP: "Damnit, that's your job to figure out! Now get to it, leader!"

58 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:01:44pm

re: #45 Decatur Deb

So I suppose you've had "The Talk". Let us know if there are any gaps.

I can honestly say I do not know to what you are referring lol.

59 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:03:09pm

re: #58 dragonfire1981

I can honestly say I do not know to what you are referring lol.

When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much, they do naked things together.

Hold on, let me get the powerpoint presentation.

60 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:03:32pm

re: #58 dragonfire1981

I can honestly say I do not know to what you are referring lol.

"When two dragons love each other very much and want to have a little dragon..."

61 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:03:42pm

re: #58 dragonfire1981

I can honestly say I do not know to what you are referring lol.

It has something to do with a wiener, a bun and relish.

62 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:04:03pm

of course we must consult the freepers on whut to do:

Shut the stupid government down. Lay off all the federal government employees starting with the IRS, FDA, EPA, FCC, FEC, HUD etc. etc. Do you want to keep it running?

...

cut off welfare,food stamps, obama phones, obamacare, unemployment benefits etc when they riot in the street we will use our 2nd amendment to protect us and they can stick gun control where the sun don’t shine...

63 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:04:18pm

re: #61 b_sharp

It has something to do with a wiener, a bun and relish.

I thought that was lunch?

64 dragonfire1981  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:04:40pm

Ok I get it now, I was thinking there was some hidden meaning to it or something.

Glad to see everyone is having a little fun at my expense. :P

65 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:04:57pm

re: #64 dragonfire1981

Ok I get it now, I was thinking there was some hidden meaning to it or something.

66 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:05:05pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

I thought that was lunch?

How long a lunch do you get? Must have a good union.

67 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:06:09pm

re: #62 engineer cat

Heh, due to the internet we now know what the Republican rank and file are really like, and we found out that they can't be trusted running with scissors let alone running the United States government.

68 TedStriker  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:06:37pm

re: #62 engineer cat

of course we must consult the freepers on whut to do:

Shut the stupid government down. Lay off all the federal government employees starting with the IRS, FDA, EPA, FCC, FEC, HUD etc. etc. Do you want to keep it running?

...

cut off welfare,food stamps, obama phones, obamacare, unemployment benefits etc when they riot in the street we will use our 2nd amendment to protect us and they can stick gun control where the sun don’t shine...

The TPGOP/Freeper plan for America:

If we can't have it, no one can.

69 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:06:57pm

re: #61 b_sharp

It has something to do with a wiener, a bun and relish.

LIES! It's got to do with a stork and an egg.

70 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:07:21pm

re: #68 TedStriker

You miss the fact that they'd shut most of those down permanently if they had the country.

71 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:07:34pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Putting together an article on the most ridiculous, dumb, racist, and fake right wing stories of the year. There were so many in 2012, I had a hard time narrowing it down. But here are the finalists:

Twitter Gulag
Derrick Bell
National Review racists
Dana Loesch peeing on corpses
Benghazi
"You didn't build that"
Fast and Furious
EPA using drones to spy on farmers
Sandra Fluke
Todd Akin

Did I miss anything that should be on the short list?

Union thugs beating up Stephen Crowder, the AFP tent and the hot dog guy!

72 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:07:51pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I can't put everything in there - that's what I meant by having a hard time narrowing it down. When you start thinking about all the fake stories promoted by the right this year it's kind of mind-boggling.

re: #49 Randall Gross

It really is

I kinda miss the Mao Christmas ornament.

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:08:27pm

re: #62 engineer cat

of course we must consult the freepers on whut to do:

Shut the stupid government down. Lay off all the federal government employees starting with the IRS, FDA, EPA, FCC, FEC, HUD etc. etc. Do you want to keep it running?

...

cut off welfare,food stamps, obama phones, obamacare, unemployment benefits etc when they riot in the street we will use our 2nd amendment to protect us and they can stick gun control where the sun don’t shine...

Who's the "they" here, white man? Say it. SAY IT!

74 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:08:34pm

re: #48 Targetpractice

“We’ve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’

Shorter Obama:

Image: obamafunny.jpg

75 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:08:35pm

re: #72 Stanghazi

re: #49 Randall Gross

I kinda miss the Mao Christmas ornament.

That's so 'first term'.

76 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:10:00pm

Bernie Sanders: House Republicans are the problem

He said “nobody wants” the economically damaging combination of across-the-board spending cuts and tax increases, but that “right-wing extremists” in the House were preventing a deal by refusing to compromise on tax hikes on the rich.

“I don’t think there is an equivalence,” Sanders explained. “People are saying, ‘Well shouldn’t the rich pay a little more in taxes and then shouldn’t we cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid?’ The answer is, ‘no.’ The wealthy are doing phenomenally well. Their taxes are down. The middle-class is hurting. We have the most unequal distribution of wealth and income. It should not be a balance on the middle-class and the rich.”

78 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:11:37pm

re: #36 engineer cat

if you look at it from another point of view, it might seem like the republican party is taking it out on the 'job creators' in a passive/aggressive kind of way - most of these breaks for them, such as capital gains and the estate tax, might not be so easy to put back in

Obama is destroying our economy!!! Look at all the small businesses destroyed by the obscene inheritance tax!!! Look at the taxes on your dividends!!! Look at your shrinking paycheck!!! IT IS ALL THE FAULT OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS!!!

You know they are going to say it...

79 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:13:01pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Who's the "they" here, white man? Say it. SAY IT!

and i didn't even copy the comments in that thread that were explicitly from the point of view of the CSA

Let them try to burn Baton Rouge here in Louisiana. We’ll win this time.

80 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:13:45pm
81 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:16:17pm

re: #78 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You know they are going to say it...

Small businesses are killed and eaten by big businesses.

82 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:16:37pm

re: #76 Kragar

Bernie Sanders: House Republicans are the problem

Seeking "balance" in any deal, as if the middle class should pay so that the rich might not feel the pinch alone, is bullshit. The middle class has been suffering for 30+ years, it's time that they got cut some slack.

83 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:17:26pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

We still have a day and a half left to go. Don't misunderestimate these people. They can pack a breathtaking amount of stupid into 24 to 36 hours.

84 celticdragon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:18:10pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

We may have one to add to the "Holy shit...what was that again?" list...

A bunch of classified documents subject to a FOI request were dumped (with heavy redactions) on the Friday before Christmas.

They include details on coordination between the FBI, NCIS, Homeland Security, the Domestic Secrity Alliance Council(?) and major banks on how to deal with OWS as a matter of domestic terrorism. Yes, OWS is consistently referred to as a domestic anarchist/terrorist enterprise. Nice to know that protesting against banks is now potential terrorism.

Also, somebody (redacted) had made plans to assassinate OWS leadership (In Dallas, it seems) with suppressed sniper rifles. The FBI never told anybody in OWS that they were in significant danger.

FBI documents FOIAd by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) revealed that the FBI coordinated the violent crackdown on Occupy in partnership with the big banks and Federal Reserve offices through a secretive FBI - corporate collaboration called the Domestic Security Alliance. Occupy was monitored, infiltrated and targeted by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization according to the documents, with close coordination between the big banks, local police and the FBI. The heavily redacted documents reveal the existence of a corporate-federal police state.

Update - Clarification:
Plans were made to assassinate Occupy leaders by sniper fire, but the documents don't make it clear who was involved with the plans. The FBI did not inform the targets of the assassination plans. It is not clear whether an organization or individual was involved. The document's source was Texas and it discussed activities in Texas.

85 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:18:24pm

re: #78 watching you tiny alien kittens are

You know they are going to say it...

sooner or later you'll hear republicans claiming that they were the ones who were warning the country about global warming all along

86 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:18:32pm

Obama Phones ought to be on that list. I've heard it repeated in my extended circle of acquaintances, which surprised me, and it encapsulates the whole Free-stuff-for-black-people meme.

It's especially worthy since it was created by video of one individual black woman, and that it's a mis-representation of a program that's been around since I was in high school.

87 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:21:28pm

re: #84 celticdragon

Too much crazy out there to evaluate this one. It sounded like LW paranoia until I hit "Texas".

88 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:22:10pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I can't put everything in there - that's what I meant by having a hard time narrowing it down. When you start thinking about all the fake stories promoted by the right this year it's kind of mind-boggling.

A year end retrospective series may be in order, Charles.

89 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:22:46pm

re: #88 makeitstop

A year end retrospective series may be in order, Charles.

The Year In Derp...

90 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:23:28pm

Dick Armey On FreedomWorks Exit: ‘Couldn’t Leave With Empty Pockets’

In another interview concerning the circumstances of his departure from FreedomWorks in September, former House majority leader Dick Armey said this week he accepted an $8 million settlement from a board member of the organization because he “couldn’t leave with empty pockets.”

91 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:23:42pm

Bob Corker on CNN right now, moaning to Dana Bash about the deficit.
Of course he happily voted for $161.8 billion of off-the-books funding for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

92 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:24:16pm

re: #80 Gus

Dog! Dog! How could we forget the dog!

Right Wing Idiocy of the Day: ‘Obama Ate Dog, Liberal Dumbass!’

Of course. Obama Ate Dog. A classic.

93 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:24:56pm

re: #90 Kragar

Dick Armey On FreedomWorks Exit: ‘Couldn’t Leave With Empty Pockets’

He means after launching his own little armed coup?

Pretty sure that qualifies under most folk's definition of "extortion."

94 bubba zanetti  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:25:10pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

The Year In Derp...

Here's a start:

[Link: blogs.villagevoice.com...]

95 Tigger2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:25:41pm

re: #62 engineer cat

of course we must consult the freepers on whut to do:

Shut the stupid government down. Lay off all the federal government employees starting with the IRS, FDA, EPA, FCC, FEC, HUD etc. etc. Do you want to keep it running?

...

cut off welfare,food stamps, obama phones, obamacare, unemployment benefits etc when they riot in the street we will use our 2nd amendment to protect us and they can stick gun control where the sun don’t shine...

cut off welfare,food stamps, obama phones, obamacare, unemployment benefits etc when they riot in the street we will use our 2nd amendment to protect us and they can stick gun control where the sun don’t shine...

I guess they forget street gangs will also use their 2nd amendment rights, and they have been practicing war for a lot of years and are also heavily armed.

96 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:26:35pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

The Year In Derp...

"Year-End Derpapalooza"?

Derp-stravaganza
Bacchaderpia
Derplosion
Derpmas
The Derpy Horror Picture Show

I dunno... My ideas are pretty weak, I'm sure others can do better.

Top Bullshit Stories is one thing, what about a collection of the craziest output from the right wing, titled "Shit Right Wingers Say?" The GOP Rape Philosophers would show up on that list, sure, but Freepers are evidently making fantastic contributions too.

When your forums read like the margin notes from the manuscript of Mein Kampf, you might have a problem...

97 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:26:47pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

He means after launching his own little armed coup?

Pretty sure that qualifies under most folk's definition of "extortion."

Extortion is how the GOP operates.

98 celticdragon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:26:49pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Too much crazy out there to evaluate this one. It sounded like LW paranoia until I hit "Texas".

The info was in the FBI document, so they knew about it and did not pass that along.

There was a lot of talk last year on how much coordination was going on between local and federal LE on suppressing OWS (and the suppression got pretty damned violent even here in NC) but this is the first indication we have had that major banks were partnering with the FBI to shut the protests down.

99 celticdragon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:27:30pm
100 bubba zanetti  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:27:50pm

Greasy Chicken Sandwiches For Straight Marriage

101 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:28:11pm

I wonder how many jobs Dick is going to create with his $8 million.

102 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:28:40pm

I saw Django Unchained last night and it was excellent. It has also officially replace Blazing Saddles "The sheriff is near!" as my go to reference for the President and how the GOP has responded to him being president. I will now use this line from the Django Unchained:

“They ain’t never seen no n***** on a horse before”

Those of you who saw the movie will understand.

103 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:31:32pm

re: #101 Kragar

I wonder how many jobs Dick is going to create with his $8 million.

A narrow sector of the sex trade should do well.

(OOPS--that's Dick Morris. Never could keep my GOP dicks straight.)

104 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:32:01pm

re: #100 bubba zanetti

Greasy Chicken Sandwiches For Straight Marriage

Oh geez... Mercifully, I had forgotten about this. Eating fast food to stand up against the queers in the name of Jayzus! My girlfriend's preacher posted on Facebook about going to CFA that day to stand up for traditional values or some such horseshit...

Fuck me, that's such a Singularity of Stupid, I'm surprised the planet didn't get sucked inside out.

105 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:33:28pm

re: #90 Kragar

Dick Armey On FreedomWorks Exit: ‘Couldn’t Leave With Empty Pockets’

Grifters gotta grift. Just be glad he didn't shoot anyone in his attempted coup. Apparently FreedomWorks is a gun-free zone. Heh.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

106 Tigger2  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:37:53pm

re: #105 moderatelyradicalliberal

Grifters gotta grift. Just be glad he didn't shoot anyone in his attempted coup. Apparently FreedomWorks is a gun-free zone. Heh.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

There just wasn't anyone there smart enough to use a gun, it does take a couple brain cells.

107 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:40:28pm

Just go over it already!! Go. Over. The. GD. Cliff!!! Taxes didn't kill me under Clinton. Take that axe to Defense spending. I'm sick of this charade!!

108 Gus  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:41:14pm

bbl

109 Kragar  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:41:21pm

S.C. State Rep. introduces bill to exempt state’s firearms from all federal regulation

Claiming that the federal government lacks the Constitutional authority to regulate firearms maintained within one state, a South Carolina State Senator has introduced a bill that would exempt the state’s guns, ammo and accessories from all federal regulation.

The bill, called the South Carolina Firearms Freedom Act, cites the Ninth and Tenth Amendments for legal support, in conjunction with the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The argument goes that the two Amendments give to states all powers not specifically given to Washington, and that since state’s regulate intrastate commerce—in this case, the sale and purchase of firearms—states have the sole authority to regulate firearms manufactured and used within their borders.

The bill’s scope is specifically limited to only natively built and sold firearms to keep it from broaching the federal government’s power to regulate interstate trade via the Commerce Clause.

110 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:41:40pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Brain bleach ~ STAT!

111 Randall Gross  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:42:14pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Of course. Obama Ate Dog. A classic.

The breitbrat's dissolution should be the uniting force behind the list, since they probably backed every single one of them with all they had. Nolte, Pollack, Loesch... the stooges left behind.

112 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:42:18pm

re: #109 Kragar

S.C. State Rep. introduces bill to exempt state’s firearms from all federal regulation

Oh hey. Look at that. Another idiot RWNJ who doesn't understand that federal trumps state.

113 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:42:25pm

I think it's safe to say the GOP is beholden to the top 2% earners.
Money changes everything

114 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:42:53pm

re: #112 Lidane

Oh hey. Look at that. Another idiot RWNJ who doesn't understand that federal trumps state.

The Supremacy Clause. How does it work?

115 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:43:38pm

re: #84 celticdragon

They include details on coordination between the FBI, NCIS, Homeland Security, the Domestic Secrity Alliance Council(?) and major banks on how to deal with OWS as a matter of domestic terrorism. Yes, OWS is consistently referred to as a domestic anarchist/terrorist enterprise. Nice to know that protesting against banks is now potential terrorism.

This was all (more or less) known previously. This is why the feds uncovered and busted up plots to blow up a bridge and firebomb Obama campaign office and police station in Chicago. OWS had a violent and radical element at its core, that wasn't much of a secret.

Also, somebody (redacted) had made plans to assassinate OWS leadership (In Dallas, it seems) with suppressed sniper rifles. The FBI never told anybody in OWS that they were in significant danger.

This also demonstrates why the protests and surrounding activities were monitored. It's clear that they were also monitoring people who wanted to target OWS protests.
There's no sinister government conspiracy here. This is what we pay taxes for.

116 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:43:49pm

re: #109 Kragar

When they introduce a bill, based on the same reasoning, that reinstates slavery what do you think they will call it? "The South Carolina white freedom act?"

117 jaunte  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:46:09pm
118 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:46:29pm

re: #96 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Year-End Derpapalooza"?

Derp-stravaganza
Bacchaderpia
Derplosion
Derpmas
The Derpy Horror Picture Show

I dunno... My ideas are pretty weak, I'm sure others can do better.

Top Bullshit Stories is one thing, what about a collection of the craziest output from the right wing, titled "Shit Right Wingers Say?" The GOP Rape Philosophers would show up on that list, sure, but Freepers are evidently making fantastic contributions too.

When your forums read like the margin notes from the manuscript of Mein Kampf, you might have a problem...

Semi-Godwin, there.

But not entirely inaccurate.

119 dragonath  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:53:07pm

I just found out there's an actual thing called Shitty Lasagne.

120 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:56:53pm

here is my latest blog post:

10 Signs To Help You Tell When We Are Really Living In The Future:

1) Wearing blue jeans is something that old people do.

2) The Rolling Stones are considered corny.

3) References to Ronald Reagan on TV are always prefaced by the explanation that he was President of the United States from 1981 - 1989.

4) People laugh when you use words like 'Television' or 'Telephone'.

5) You start to tell stories about what you had to do to maintain your 'Gasoline Car'.

6) You have a sentimental collection of physical money items such as coins and dollar bills.

7) References to the most prevalent popular music form of the late 20th century are misspelled "Rock and Roll".

8) People smoking Marijuana are asked which medical problem they are using it for.

9) People put down "Catholic Popes?" as the answer to "Who were John, Paul, George, and Ringo?"

10) You read about some group of politicians calling themselves "Republicans" who claim that they were the ones that first warned the country about global warming.

121 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 1:57:40pm

...and of course the Occupiers are more than happy to provide anti-American propaganda on Iranian state TV
‘Big banks helped FBI crush OWS out of fear’

A member of Occupy Wall Street movement, Karanja Gacuca, says the U.S. big banks’ coordination with the FBI to crush protesters and their events shows that the “one-percent” was determined to silent “99-percenters”.

“The banks and the big corporations felt threatened that their profits would be affected by occupy activities and they still do”, he said in a phone interview with Press TV’s U.S. Desk on Sunday.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:03:36pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

...and of course the Occupiers are more than happy to provide anti-American propaganda on Iranian state TV
‘Big banks helped FBI crush OWS out of fear’

Killgore, please don't link directly to Iran's wholly owned propaganda mill.

123 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:03:53pm

re: #120 engineer cat

Sorry I misread that as "signs that you're now old"

124 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:04:17pm
125 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:04:49pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

How much does OWS owe you at this point for all the space they're renting in your head?

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:06:45pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

How to Legalize Goats

If we outlaw goats, only outlaws will have goats!

127 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:07:09pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, please don't link directly to Iran's wholly owned propaganda mill.

Well, it must be true.

128 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:08:27pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

How to Legalize Goats

Heh. I have to send that to my son in Toronto. He totally wants a pygmy goat for a pet.

129 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:13:10pm

Deleted.

130 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:13:58pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Not sure Killgore would favor that, since the goats would be worse than slugs in attacking his kale.

Can't you jut put out a bucket of beer as a goat trap?

131 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:14:37pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Not sure Killgore would favor that, since the goats would be worse than slugs in attacking his kale.

Kilgore is not in Toronto. I don't know how my son's neighbors would feel about him having a pet goat. They are the size of dogs, but they don't smell like dogs, they smell like goats.

132 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:17:08pm

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Kilgore is not in Toronto. I don't know how my son's neighbors would feel about him having a pet goat. They are the size of dogs, but they don't smell like dogs, they smell like goats.

I don't think people would complain. Goats are quiet. As long as it doesn't get loose and start eating the neighbor's landscaping. They're very entertaining and useful animals.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:18:37pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I don't think people would complain. Goats are quiet. As long as it doesn't get loose and start eating the neighbor's landscaping. They're very entertaining and useful animals.

OK, then. #129 deleted.

134 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:21:13pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

OK, then. #129 deleted.

I've thought about getting a goat but I just don't want the responsibility of caring for livestock.

135 stabby  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:21:37pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

The city of San Francisco keeps a bunch of goats to clean up weeds that grow by the sides of the roads.

136 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:22:50pm

So, OT but I just got done watching the documentary "The Times Of Harvey Milk" and Gus van Sant's "Milk", starring Sean Penn.

Excellent films, both of them. Sean Penn was outstanding. He certainly deserved his Oscar as Best Actor.

A small edit; between the two films, I found the documentary better. Nothing against Mr. van Sant or Mr. Penn, I just found the documentary more moving emotionally. I'm supremely cynical, but "The Times Of Harvey Milk" definitely got me choked up. "Milk" also, but the documentary film is more powerful on the emotional level.

137 engineer cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:23:51pm

re: #123 stabby

Sorry I misread that as "signs that you're now old"

that's what i said to your mother when we were listening to 'I Can't Get No Satisfaction' when it was first on the radio in 1965

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:27:24pm

Our village uses goats to keep the hillsides clear of brush, especially as a lot of the vineyards have been abandoned and would otherwise be covered in brambles in the course of a season.

139 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:33:21pm

re: #138 Sol Berdinowitz

Our village uses goats to keep the hillsides clear of brush, especially as a lot of the vineyards have been abandoned and would otherwise be covered in brambles in the course of a season.

Barbel and Vanessa are good looking goats!

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:37:12pm

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

Barbel and Vanessa are good looking goats!

no kidding!

141 b_sharp  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:38:01pm

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Kilgore is not in Toronto. I don't know how my son's neighbors would feel about him having a pet goat. They are the size of dogs, but they don't smell like dogs, they smell like goats.

I smell like an old goat.

142 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:43:25pm

re: #138 Sol Berdinowitz

Our village uses goats to keep the hillsides clear of brush, especially as a lot of the vineyards have been abandoned and would otherwise be covered in brambles in the course of a season.

When I was in college a bunch of us rented a house in the Napa Countryside
One day a guy brought home a goat called Gomez. I'll tell you what.
Gomez the Goat was the star of all our parties. Who knew that girls and guys loved to pet and feed Gomez.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:44:27pm

I've got a new Page up on Israel's use of video cameras to counteract Palestinian atrocity claims. Feel free to comment and also speculate on how long it will take before anti-Israel troll "War on Music" calls me a 'kananist' for posting it.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:52:25pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Killgore, please don't link directly to Iran's wholly owned propaganda mill.

but but but they're the only ones telling the TROOOFFF!!!11ty!!

145 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:56:06pm

You know things are bad when McConnell is begging Biden for help.

146 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:56:58pm

re: #34 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Why do we need a reduction in the corporate rate tax when they are already making the highest profits ever? Not just in monetary terms but also as a percentage of the national GDP. Even with the existing tax rates many corporations are paying nothing or next to nothing while profiting billions.

You just need to hire a lobbyist to spread a few campaign donations around then get a congressman to submit a loophole for your business. They do it all the damn time, no big deal, then it wont matter anymore what the statutory rate is.

What difference does it make whether a tax is levied on a corporation, or on the corporation's customers, managers and workers? It would be better to simply bump up federal income tax rates and drop corporate taxes. That way, you're not randomly taxing some mix of the groups named above without having any idea who really bears what portion of the cost. It's also harder for corporations to lobby their way out of the tax if there isn't any such thing or if it's low enough to be consistent with what other nations do.

147 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:57:50pm

re: #146 lostlakehiker

Find me a corporation that is actually paying taxes these days.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 2:59:49pm

re: #145 Lidane

You know things are bad when McConnell is begging Biden for help.

Folks, make sure to read that entire piece. It speaks about a GOP demand that has since been dropped, so make sure to read till the end so you have the complete picture.

149 Targetpractice  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:01:41pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Folks, make sure to read that entire piece. It speaks about a GOP demand that has since been dropped, so make sure to read till the end so you have the complete picture.

So the GOP is going to raise the debt limit cleanly?

150 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:04:34pm

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

If you want to see OWS idiots spouting anti-American propaganda on Iranian state tv the only way to see it is to link to it. Why OWS loves Iranian state TV so much is beyond me but it's a match made in heaven.

151 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:05:42pm

Funny, I don't remember people asking not to link to Tea Party idiots spouting conspiracy theories on Russian Today.

152 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:08:43pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Why OWS loves Iranian state TV so much is beyond me but it's a match made in heaven.

The question you should be asking is why you love OWS so much. You keep giving them attention long after everyone else has moved on.

153 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:09:47pm

Fun With Cliffs:

154 blueraven  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:10:18pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

If you want to see OWS idiots spouting anti-American propaganda on Iranian state tv the only way to see it is to link to it. Why OWS loves Iranian state TV so much is beyond me but it's a match made in heaven.

Why do you think that is? Why is no one else reporting this? Maybe it is somewhere else and you are not looking or maybe because it is bullshit.

155 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:10:26pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Doesn't matter. We all know that the GOP's obstruction is what got us to this point, and it will be their obstruction that sends us over the cliff if they don't strike a deal.

POTUS isn't going to negotiate with himself anymore. It's time for the GOP to either contribute real ideas or take responsibility for the economy faltering.

156 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:13:02pm

re: #152 Lidane

The question you should be asking is why you love OWS so much. You keep giving them attention long after everyone else has moved on.

I was responding to the latest paranoid antigovernment conspiracy theory mentioned at #98.I didn't bring it up.

157 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:14:09pm

Renaissance Man said this. Worth repeating every time.

KT mentioning this is nothing more than his usual kabuki dance where any prevailing LGF opinion is wrong and petty and must be poo-pooed as the inconsequential foolishness it so clearly is.

158 Friend Cat  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:14:45pm

"the GOP has decided to punish America for reelecting Obama..."

Who would do such a thing?

A bitter hate-filled decreasingly relevant anachronistic band of resentful extremists?

159 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:16:41pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

I was responding to the latest paranoid antigovernment conspiracy theory mentioned at #98.I didn't bring it up.

Fine, respond. But do so effectively, not by posting links to Iranian propaganda mills then complaining when people admonish you for doing so.

160 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:19:10pm

On a different topic (well, in the really big picture, maybe not):

TROY POTTERY HOLDS A KEY TO THE GREAT BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE

I've referenced the "great Bronze Age collapse" before in writing about religious ideas. If it wasn't for this great transition in antiquity, we (the US, or western culture as we know it) probably wouldn't be, nor would our dominant religion ("Christianity" variant of mono-theism) be what it is.

Around 1200 BC the entire Eastern Mediterranean underwent a major political/social change, and the old ways and old empires collapsed, and out of the rubble arose those "ancient" (but not quite as ancient) civilizations to which most people refer when they think of antiquity.

Anyway, big changes have happened to human civilizations before - really big changes.

Even our most sacred institutions will not last.

161 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:22:17pm

re: #157 Stanghazi

Renaissance Man said this. Worth repeating every time.

Actual kabuki is pretty awesome. Everything up to 11, on-stage version:

162 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:22:48pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Fine, respond. But do so effectively, not by posting links to Iranian propaganda mills then complaining when people admonish you for doing so.

I'm not complaining. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who go on Iranian State TV (an authoritarian regime with among the world's worst human rights record) to complain that the American government is oppressing OWS and likening it to the civil rights movement. They also failed to mention the very real terrorist plots that spawned from members of OWS, which is the whole reason the government was monitoring them.

163 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:24:29pm

Since OWS seem to be the topic of the day: Did we ever get an update on the OWS doctor in New York that was arrested a while back with bomb making materials and a stockpile of weapons?

164 Lidane  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:25:50pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

OWS isn't the topic of the day except in your delusions. Most people are more interested in the fiscal talks. Or in football, since it's Sunday.

165 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:25:58pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Since OWS seem to be the topic of the day: Did we ever get an update on the OWS doctor in New York that was arrested a while back with bomb making materials and a stockpile of weapons?

No, that case is still waiting to go to trial.

166 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:26:58pm

re: #160 freetoken

On a different topic (well, in the really big picture, maybe not):

TROY POTTERY HOLDS A KEY TO THE GREAT BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE

I've referenced the "great Bronze Age collapse" before in writing about religious ideas. If it wasn't for this great transition in antiquity, we (the US, or western culture as we know it) probably wouldn't be, nor would our dominant religion ("Christianity" variant of mono-theism) be what it is.

Around 1200 BC the entire Eastern Mediterranean underwent a major political/social change, and the old ways and old empires collapsed, and out of the rubble arose those "ancient" (but not quite as ancient) civilizations to which most people refer when they think of antiquity.

Anyway, big changes have happened to human civilizations before - really big changes.

Even our most sacred institutions will not last.

Have you seen the series Mankind. The story of all of us?
Great stuff like in the old days when the History channel was good.
I'm a big fan of NatGeo, Discovery, Science channels and the like.

167 efuseakay  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:27:15pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Since OWS seem to be the topic of the day: Did we ever get an update on the OWS doctor in New York that was arrested a while back with bomb making materials and a stockpile of weapons?

I'm sure Iranian State TV has an update for you. Look harder.

168 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:28:00pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

No, that case is still waiting to go to trial.

There should have been an arraignment by now. Usually the filing of charges gives some indication of what he was up to. I guess they're still putting together the case.

169 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:29:22pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

There should have been an arraignment by now. Usually the filing of charges gives some indication of what he was up to. I guess they're still putting together the case.

Feel free to look if you want to. I'm not going to bother.

170 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:30:52pm

re: #166 A Man for all Seasons

Many of those cable channels continue to slide downhill, IMO. Series like "UFO Untold Stories", a litany of "Bible" related shows that are just pandering, etc.

Over in the UK the BBC has produced some decent big picture anthropology series the past two years, e.g., from geek heartthrob Alice Roberts.

171 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:31:04pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Feel free to look if you want to. I'm not going to bother.

I lost track. On some of these big cases it can take years. I tried to follow that Glenn Beck fan who was going to kill people at the tides foundation a couple years ago. His trial still hasn't started.

172 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:31:55pm
173 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:33:32pm

re: #172 freetoken

I agree. That is very neat.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:35:36pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

I lost track. On some of these big cases it can take years. I tried to follow that Glenn Beck fan who was going to kill people at the tides foundation a couple years ago. His trial still hasn't started.

Cases like that sometimes take years to go to trial, because there are complex evidentiary questions that must be resolved and then the trial must be scheduled for a time when the lawyers on both sides as well as the judge are free.

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:36:42pm

re: #172 freetoken

Neat invention of the day:

Single-molecule motor sits on a single-atom ball bearing

Proof of intelligent design!!1

176 freetoken  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:40:04pm

Morano will deny it:


Boulder researcher: Planet offers independent record of global warming

[...]

A new compilation of temperature records derived from geological samples such as ice cores, lake sediment layers and coral growth shows the same warming trends from 1880 to 1995 that are reflected by thermometer readings over that time.

The study, titled "Global Warming in an Independent Record of the Past 130 Years," was published recently online in Geophysical Research Letters; its lead author is David Anderson, the head of the paleoclimatology branch at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Climatic Data Center in Boulder.

[...]

In an alternative approach to taking the Earth's historical temperatures, researchers analyzed "proxies" such as ice cores, the shells of marine plankton and coral growth layers; as an example, plankton shells and coral skeletons record temperature changes in their ratio of oxygen isotopes.

Through this analysis, which used 173 independent proxy datasets to draw a record from 1730 to 1995, scientists have succeeded in compiling temperature records that confirm what available thermometer records also show.

[...]

The paper referenced:


Global warming in an independent record of the last 130 years

The thermometer-based global surface temperature time series (GST) commands a prominent role in the evidence for global warming, yet this record has considerable uncertainty. An independent record, longer and with better geographic coverage, would be valuable in understanding recent change in the context of natural variability. We compiled the paleo index from 170 temperature-sensitive proxy time series (corals, ice cores, speleothems, lake and ocean sediments, historical documents). Each series was normalized to produce index values of change relative to a 1901-2000 base period; the index values were then averaged. From 1880 to 1995, the index trends significantly upward, similar to the GST. Smaller-scale aspects of the GST including two warming trends and a warm interval during the 1940s are also observed in the paleo index. The paleo index continuously extends back to 1730 with 66 records. The upward trend appears to begin in the early 19th century but the year-to-year variability is large and the 1730-1929 trend is not significant at the p

177 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:50:38pm

re: #84 celticdragon

I quit reading when I got to "Naomi Wolf".

178 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:50:44pm

I love science shows about the universe..Totally Fascinated with it. And ever so often you'll see Phil, Dr. Gay or a member of the Nuker group. I love Pamela Gay. I've read her blog for years. .She is my top 5 blogger explaining the most complex Things in a way that the average guy can understand.
I love her..Harvard Grad, Professor. I remember when she would buy telescopes for girl scout groups and go out at night with them and open the Universe for them. Her hubby is a Blues guitarist who plays in Chicago.
And sometimes it nice having a cup in the morning and reading about Pam and her garden.

179 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 3:58:28pm

re: #84 celticdragon

We may have one to add to the "Holy shit...what was that again?" list...

A bunch of classified documents subject to a FOI request were dumped (with heavy redactions) on the Friday before Christmas.

They include details on coordination between the FBI, NCIS, Homeland Security, the Domestic Secrity Alliance Council(?) and major banks on how to deal with OWS as a matter of domestic terrorism. Yes, OWS is consistently referred to as a domestic anarchist/terrorist enterprise. Nice to know that protesting against banks is now potential terrorism.

Also, somebody (redacted) had made plans to assassinate OWS leadership (In Dallas, it seems) with suppressed sniper rifles. The FBI never told anybody in OWS that they were in significant danger.

Rifle assassinations in Dallas? Were the shooters planning to use the grass knoll?

/Sorry, I had to say it.

180 prairiefire  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 5:21:46pm

re: #161 The Ghost of a Flea

Actual kabuki is pretty awesome. Everything up to 11, on-stage version:

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Just a normal day at my household.

181 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:20:26pm

re: #43 dragonfire1981

OT, but tomorrow I embark on a huge step in my life: My wife and I are officially going to begin trying for our first child.

Good luck from my wife and I.

182 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Dec 30, 2012 7:48:48pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

This seems apropos. Last week I gave a lecture on Western Art to my EFL students. This is "I and the Village" by Marc Chagall (1911).
Image: Chagall_IandTheVillage.jpg

183 S'latch  Mon, Dec 31, 2012 6:07:19am

I don't think it will be steep enough to be called a "Cliff." It will probably be more like a Fiscal Fun Slide. Congress obviously is under the influence of the Fiscal Adrenaline Junkie Lobby.


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