Boehner: Obama’s Climate Change Proposal Is ‘Absolutely Crazy’ Because Jobs

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Here’s a great little encapsulation of the absurd counter-logical thinking of the Republican Party, as House Speaker John Boehner lets his anti-science freak flag fly and calls the President’s climate change proposals “absolutely crazy.”

And his reason — it will “destroy” jobs. We all know that the Republican Party is focused like a laser beam on that “jobs” problem. Meanwhile: Republicans Push 700 New Laws to Regulate Women’s Bodies.

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152 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:06:01am

Well on one level Boehner is right. It will cost some jobs but it will create many more in different fields.

In this context when the GOP says “jobs” they really mean “oil”.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:08:57am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Well on one level Boehner is right. It will cost some jobs but it will create many more in different fields.

In this context when the GOP says “jobs” they really mean “oil”.

and “coal”

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:08:59am

It will seriously cut into the bonuses paid to Job Creators, causing them to lose all motivation to create more jobs…

Meanwhile, we have to keep our women from behaving like sluts all over creation.

4 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:10:42am

They aren’t actually concerned with jobs, that’s just a dog whistle they use when they need to justify their obstinate attack against Obama.

5 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:11:53am

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

It will seriously cut into the bonuses paid to Job Creators, causing them to lose all motivation to create more jobs…

Meanwhile, we have to keep our women from behaving like sluts all over creation.

Youtube Video

6 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:12:14am

People like Boehner have all the resources and knowledge to do something about the disaster headed our way, but they’re greedy pigs who just do not give a fuck about future generations.

7 stabby  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:13:29am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Well on one level Boehner is right. It will cost some jobs but it will create many more in different fields.

In this context when the GOP says “jobs” they really mean “oil”.

Remember dumbest way the first gulf war was sold was “jobs, jobs, jobs!”

8 stabby  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:14:52am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

If God didn’t want us to burn all that oil before judgement day, then why did he put it in the ground?

9 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:19:45am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Well on one level Boehner is right. It will cost some jobs but it will create many more in different fields.

In this context when the GOP says “jobs” they really mean “oil”.

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

and “coal”

and oil and coal company profits

10 otoc  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:22:41am

I think what Boehner said was crazy because while we have been asking where the jobs are, we know the issues facing our country isn’t a one pointed topic. More importantly the GOP has done nothing to address jobs other than to bring them up on every non-related topic while ignoring the need to advance our education system to include better scientific skills is crucial to the future of our jobs. Uttering a word is easy. Show me the money John, because you are crazy if you think I see you doing anything about true strategy regarding jobs other than stopping Obama at every turn.

11 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:23:33am

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12 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:24:22am

They keep using that word “jobs.”

I do not think it means what they think it means.

13 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:26:01am

The GOP also seem to ignore the fact (as usual) that new jobs would be created due to complying with, implementing and enacting new regulations and technologies.

14 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:28:05am

The reason Boehner et al. can get away with what they do wrt climate change is because change in the climate is quite slow compared to the human decision making horizon.

Few people think of next year, much fewer of next decade, and frankly nobody plans, personally, for what is going to happen next century.

This is why, if you insist on using the term, I’m a “doomer” about dealing with climate change. The challenge is so far outside our demonstrated ability/willingness to act that the best that will happen is that certain locales around the world might prepare themselves to deal better with change than others, but that is purely a relative evaluation.

15 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:28:59am

re: #13 Kragar

The GOP also seem to ignore the fact (as usual) that new jobs would be created due to complying with, implementing and enacting new regulations and technologies.

BUT SOLYNDRA!!!!!11!!

16 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:29:23am

it will “destroy” jobs

‘policy’ in the gop is really “think of some way i can make it sound that the fulfilling the desires of our friends in multinational corporations will lead to something that ordinary people want”

“and don’t worry too much if it doesn’t really make any sense…”

17 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:29:28am

Controversy erupts after Hannity guest tells woman panelist ‘Know your role and shut your mouth’

The ugly scene unfolded Thursday evening. On Friday morning, Fox’s “America’s Newsroom” dedicated a segment to the run-in, with anchor Martha MacCallum asking, “Is this what we’ve come to? Is this a civil society?”

Thursday’s discussion centered around Attorney General Eric Holder (no relation to Tamara Holder), and a petition to oust him from office over allegations that he lied under oath before Congress. Cunningham, who hosts “The Bill Cunningham Show,” jabbed his finger into Tamara Holder’s face, shouting that she must sign the petition.

“I really hope that when you speak to a judge, you don’t point your finger in their face the entire time,” replied Holder. “Your finger does not prove your point,” she said, pointing back at Cunningham, who apparently found this extremely provoking.

“Whose finger’s in my face right now?” he protested.

“Mine, because I’m telling you to shut up,” said Holder.

“Wait a minute, you shut up,” Cunningham sniped. “Know your role and shut your mouth.”

“My role as a woman?” asked Holder.

“Yeah, yeah,” said Cunningham.

Particularly appalling was a moment later in the segment when Holder simply stopped talking and hung her head in frustration.

“What, are you going to cry?” Cunningham needled.

18 stabby  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:30:44am

re: #14 freetoken

There’s two ways it ends:
1) the Republican party becomes unelectable for other reasons anyway. I guessing about 70% probability
2) global warming becomes SO obvious because coasts disappear and islands sink. Then the Republicans will pretend they always believed in it.

19 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:34:20am

re: #18 stabby

I doubt our current political system will remain static long enough until the changes become so obvious.

We have so many problems that we are ignoring that our plate will be over-full by the time significant coastal areas are inundated.

Yet even as I write “we have so many problems” most Americans are well fed (or in the case of Paula Deen aficionados, overfed), housed, clothed, and generally well off compared to 99% of H. sapiens who have ever lived on this planet. We are currently so extraordinarily wealthy that it will still take generations for us to squander it all, even though it is easy to see the disparity today between the top and bottom of the social heap.

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:35:14am

re: #18 stabby

There’s two ways it ends:
1) the Republican party becomes unelectable for other reasons anyway. I guessing about 70% probability
2) global warming becomes SO obvious because coasts disappear and islands sink. Then the Republicans will pretend they always believed in it.

They will accept the warming part but deny any human role in it, it is just God’s Will, like when a child is conceived through rape…

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:39:33am

re: #17 Kragar

Wow what a douche. Of note: know your role and shut your mouth is a commonly used catchphrase of The Rock.

22 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:39:43am

re: #20 Sol Berdinowitz

Basically, yes.

The TN legislature video I watched yesterday - and about which I was going to do a Page but am still struggling with Silverlight - demonstrated well, though the public that signed up for their 5 minutes, what will happen. They were all in a tizzy over textbooks that offended them. In one little speech a woman was exasperated that a science book had mentioned overpopulation and the depletion of resources. Her counter-claim was that God put the resources here for us to use.

And that’s how it is going to go down.

23 jaunte  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:42:11am

re: #17 Kragar

Funny watching the Fox regulars trying to cover after Cunningham actually speaks out loud the role that conservative men want to play.

24 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:43:33am

This started a few days ago, only now is it getting some notice in the American media:

Soldiers work to move 22K stranded in India mountains; more than 600 dead

Unfortunately the American media has been led around by GG and The Guardian chasing phantom monsters while their are much bigger, and real, issues all around the world.

25 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:46:27am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow what a douche. Of note: know your role and shut your mouth is a commonly used catchphrase of The Rock.

Yeah, when smack talking to other wrestlers as part of an act.

Not for dealing with people on a news show.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:47:32am

re: #25 Kragar

Yeah, when smack talking to other wrestlers as part of an act.

Not for dealing with people on a news show.

The line between political discourse and wrestling trash talk has long since been removed…

27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:47:39am

Green energy creates tons of jobs.

28 efuseakay  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:48:35am

Boehner: Creating jobs, one spray tan booth at a time.

29 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:48:37am

re: #27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Green energy creates tons of jobs.

Not the right kind of jobs.
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30 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:53:10am

re: #27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Green energy creates tons of jobs.

A lot of people are sold on the notion that prosperity and progress are to be measured in the amount of resources we consume, not the effieciency in which we use them or the quality of life we create from them.

To them, environmentalists are people who want us all to live in lean-tos and wipe our asses with leaves instead of toilet paper.

There is no overcoming that mentality, we just have to work and legistlate around it until it starts to die out.

31 otoc  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 11:53:31am

re: #11 freetoken

lol, my old eyes had to put it into edit mode to see your ending.

ROTHFLMAO, it wasn’t smutz on the monitor…

32 piratedan  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:08:34pm

those jobs are bad… why? because they involve manufacturing and science and would provide a living wage plus at the same time taking money out of the pockets of the established energy infrastructure which has been donating to the GOP since forever (hence why the oil industry, the most profitable industry of the last quarter century, STILL receives subsidy money from our government). This means money is redistributed out of the hands of their cronies into the hands of people who actually give a crap about things the GOP cares nothing about, namely the environment, energy efficiency and a general benefit to the public at large.

The GOP wants jobs like people working the Jack-in-the-box drive through because those folks are no threat to break into the 1% unless they win the lottery.

33 Interesting Times  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:09:05pm

re: #24 freetoken

So here’s a paper getting heaps of “durr hurr climate change a hoax herp derp” play in the denier-sphere:

Changes in Jet Stream Triggered Record Greenland Melt in 2012, Study Says

I guess it’s this line:

Ocean temperatures and Arctic sea ice retreat, meanwhile, played a minimal part in the record surface ice melt, the scientists reported.

…that’s got them fapping away. Now, other research I’ve looked over suggests Arctic sea ice melt alters the jet stream (in other words, to say “it’s not AGW it’s the jet stream” completely ignores how climate change makes jet stream anomolies more common and pronounced).

Would you happen to have more information handy about this?

34 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:10:58pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

So here’s a paper getting heaps of “durr hurr climate change a hoax herp derp” play in the denier-sphere:

Changes in Jet Stream Triggered Record Greenland Melt in 2012, Study Says

I guess it’s this line:

…that’s got them fapping away. Now, other research I’ve looked over suggests Arctic sea ice melt alters the jet stream (in other words, to say “it’s not AGW it’s the jet stream” completely ignores how climate change makes jet stream anomolies more common and pronounced).

Would you happen to have more information handy about this?

It’s the electrolytes!

35 dragonath  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:13:17pm

Gingrey under fire for comments on gender roles

Gingrey, a Republican U.S. Senate candidate from Marietta, suggested on the House floor this week that young girls and young boys should be split up in school and taught traditional gender roles.

We need to go back into the schools at a very early age,” Gingrey said. “Have a class for the young girls and have a class for the young boys and say, ‘This is what a father does that’s maybe a little different… maybe a little better than the talents a mom has in a certain area,’ and same thing for the young girls.”

36 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:15:13pm

re: #35 dragonath

Gingrey under fire for comments on gender roles

We should just go down the obvious road and make sure kids know what their role should be according to their race and social class.
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37 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:16:21pm

re: #35 dragonath

Seriously? What’s the difference between RW’ers and, let’s say, the Taliban or Salafists? Is it simply a matter of theological disagreement over Jesus?

On the socio-cultural end of things, they’re reading from the same page.

38 efgoldman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:16:22pm

re: #18 stabbyThen the Republicans will pretend they always believed in it blame the Democrats for allowing it to happen.
There. Fixed.

39 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:17:25pm

re: #38 efgoldman

Then the Republicans will pretend they always believed in it blame the Democrats for allowing it to happen.
There. Fixed.

count on it

40 stabby  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:18:51pm

re: #35 dragonath

Gingrey under fire for comments on gender roles

Oh God what?

We’ve reached peak wingnut. They no longer care how normal people think at all.

41 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:19:22pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

It’s beyond them.

In other words, they dynamics of the atmosphere are indeed causally coupled to the globe’s surface but the whole point of the paper was the immediate (physically), as opposed to the remote causes of the few days of rapid ice melt.

I do blame, often, the press release writers for science outfits, and sometimes the authors of papers themselves, for using language overloaded with meaning and which can and often is used to lead the laity astray.

This is very similar to discussions about evolution. Biology has gotten increasingly esoteric to the point where a molecular biologist has little chance of ever communicating their discoveries successfully to those who think the whole idea is a hoax anyway.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:20:52pm

re: #35 dragonath

Gingrey under fire for comments on gender roles

I recall a classic National Lampoon cartoon about what really used to happen in biollgy class back when the boys and girls were given separate lessons on “hygiene”; the boys got to watch “Mammal Moms and Dads” while the girls were given a lecture on techniques for driving young men to sexual distractino without actually putting out…

43 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:22:35pm

This is not from the Onion. Really.

Russian man busted for stealing bridge

A Russian was arrested for stealing a bridge this week after police said they followed drag marks to his home.

The 23-year-old man in the northern Vologda region apparently hooked the small steel bridge to his tractor and hauled it away to sell as scrap metal.

Police told Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency they followed the trail the bridge left on the ground to the suspect’s house in the village of Frolovo. The man had allegedly used a cutting torch to break the structure down into smaller pieces, but had not yet sold them.

RIA Novosti said the alleged bridge thief was added to the roster of daring Russian metal thefts, which includes several locomotives and a special bicycle ridden by a circus bear.

44 dragonath  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:26:41pm

Hypatia was a real heretic, wasn’t she?

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:28:57pm

re: #43 freetoken

This is not from the Onion. Really.

Russian man busted for stealing bridge

I was at the Moscow subway statino in Tushion, where a number of gentlemen waked up and asked me if I had “components”…I had no idea what they were on about, assumed it was some sort of code for drugs or something.

Found out later it was the major trading place for electronic components, often from stolen equipment, from which they would scrape the 18 karat gold resell it…

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:33:03pm

re: #43 freetoken

This is not from the Onion. Really.

Russian man busted for stealing bridge

Locomotives eh? Still no match for Wall Street and the GOP.

47 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:34:05pm

re: #44 dragonath

Hypatia was a real heretic, wasn’t she?

Are you implying that the anti-knowledge movement of the religious right has been around for, say 16 centuries?

Galileo - say it ain’t so.

48 piratedan  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:34:56pm

re: #40 stabby

Oh God what?

We’ve reached peak wingnut. They no longer care how normal people think at all.

“they” don’t consider us “normal”….

They prefer the formerly established gender roles, Dad works and brings home the proverbial bacon. The spouse stays home and keeps house, prepares meals and loves, honors and obeys. The kids go to school, do their chores. They long for Leave It To Beaverland.

If Mom overcooks the roast or little Johnny trashes his bike, she gets a slap to remind her to pay attention to her job and Johnny gets the belt because money doesn’t grow on trees. They don’t want that hierarchy upset, they don’t want to see women as equal partners, or their kids as having issues. Requires too much work and emotional growth.

49 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:35:49pm

re: #38 efgoldman

Welcome, hatchling.

50 AlexRogan  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:36:54pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

People like Boehner have all the resources and knowledge to do something about the disaster headed our way, but they’re greedy pigs who just do not give a fuck about future generations.

Why should he give a fuck? He and his buddies got theirs and they’ll likely be long dead when the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

51 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:38:03pm

re: #48 piratedan

“they” don’t consider us “normal”….

They prefer the formerly established gender roles, Dad works and brings home the proverbial bacon. The spouse stays home and keeps house, prepares meals and loves, honors and obeys. The kids go to school, do their chores. They long for Leave It To Beaverland.

If Mom overcooks the roast or little Johnny trashes his bike, she gets a slap to remind her to pay attention to her job and Johnny gets the belt because money doesn’t grow on trees. They don’t want that hierarchy upset, they don’t want to see women as equal partners, or their kids as having issues. Requires too much work and emotional growth.

Most of these religious right alpha males are actually weak-minded oafs. Their opposition to equality is based on a fear of competition, they can’t handle a level playing field.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:39:43pm

re: #51 Occam’s Guillotine

Most of these religious right alpha males are actually weak-minded oafs. Their opposition to equality is based on a fear of competition, they can’t handle a level playing field.

I thibnk there are all kinds of reasons behind it; some really want us to return to a Biblical patriarchy, some recall a mythical time when things seemed “normal” to them, and other are just f*cking stupid.

53 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:47:17pm

As some have noted the wrap-around derpitude over Snowjob and GG’s use of such, with the anarchic left and the twisted wingnut/libertarian nexus seemingly coming together, there is a reflection of this in other topics too.

For instance, it is becoming increasingly popular to complain about scientism among the post-modern wanna-be-seminal writers in areas of academia and the media. That these complaints over scientism sound eerily like those of creationists’ raises flags for me.

Today’s example is from the Japan Times (a bit of a loony outlet in itself):

Modern science needs to reject ‘fairy tales,’ get a grip on reality

At an interdisciplinary gathering of academics discussing the concept of time, I once heard a scientist tell the assembled humanities scholars that physics can now replace all their woolly notions of time with one that is unique, precise and true. Such scientism is rightly undermined by theoretical physicist Lee Smolin in “Time Reborn,” which shows that the scientific view of time is up for grabs more than ever before.

The author, Philip Ball, who wrote this for The Observer, goes on to review two books but his review is muddled at best, confusing for the reader ideas that are difficult to describe even by the best of writers.

Every time I see someone complain about scientism I wonder if the writer isn’t just looking for an easy out.

For example, the former head of Biologos (D. Falk) once responded to a comment I left there, complaining about what he saw as my embrace of logical positivism (though I didn’t), because I was trying to force them into admitting that science as a endeavor does indeed embrace a type of positivism. (This discomfort that Falk et. al. have over this topic is because their defense against the New Atheists is that not all things that are true can be tested by the scientific method.)

Anyway, I guess my bigger point is that the post-modern and anarchic left do indeed find a bird of the same feather in the creationist, in that they want to cling to beliefs that are non-testable in any objective manner.

54 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:47:33pm
55 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:51:12pm

Not sure how I feel about this

56 piratedan  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 12:58:13pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

somebody has been watching the V reruns on the SyFy network……

57 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:08:14pm

The only job Boehner cares about is his own and he isn’t doing a very good job of protecting that one.

58 otoc  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:08:52pm

Yup, all about jobs. Great job Boehner, keep that focus on Obama.

The GOP is all about jobs

59 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:14:39pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

All I want to know is what immigration reform is going to do about reptilians

they are taking flies out of the mouths of american children

61 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:17:28pm

I see Paula Deen is still generating tweets every few seconds.

What butter and bacon can do to a society.

62 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:17:59pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow what a douche. Of note: know your role and shut your mouth is a commonly used catchphrase of The Rock.

Cool, WWF politics. Wish more chairs were involved.

63 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:18:22pm

re: #61 freetoken

I see Paula Deen is still generating tweets every few seconds.

What butter and bacon can do to a society.

deep fried bacon tweets

64 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:18:32pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Not sure how I feel about this

We need to establish how far beneath the Earth’s crust you have to dwell before you’re not considered born on American soil.

65 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:19:11pm

I wonder how long it’ll take for Derbyshire and VDARE to take up the Deen cause?

66 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:20:46pm

re: #64 The Ghost of a Flea

We need to establish how far beneath the Earth’s crust you have to dwell before you’re not considered born on American soil.

I know you’d have to be deeper than where the oil is.

67 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:21:22pm

Don’t underestimate the power of butter and bacon - it they bumped GG and Snowjob off the top of the attention pile.

68 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:28:38pm

Deen does have her defenders.

Bill Maher

and this guy:

Youtube Video

69 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:29:21pm

Personally I think the whole Deen thing is a little forced. We’re already bored of Snowjob, now we need something new.

70 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:29:57pm

re: #67 freetoken

Who would have thought that saturated fats would have taken down Glenn Greenwald at such an early age?

71 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:31:41pm
72 darthstar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:33:20pm
73 darthstar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:33:56pm

re: #72 darthstar

Too bad about the farm bill…we’re going to need a lot more popcorn.

74 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:33:59pm

re: #72 darthstar

GOHMERT!

75 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:34:10pm

re: #72 darthstar

TWO MEN ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVES!

76 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:34:42pm

Worth reading from a couple of days ago, to re-emphasize:

Paula Deen’s racism isn’t shocking at all

[…]

This entire debacle reveals that there are unspoken rules around racism. There is a complex matrix for when you can be racist and with whom. There are ways you behave in public, and ways you behave in private. There are things you can say among friends, things you wouldn’t dare say anywhere else, that you must keep to yourself in public.

In her deposition, for whatever reason, Deen decided to break these rules or ignore them. Maybe she knew she was rich and successful enough that the rules, frankly, no longer apply to her.

[…]

77 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:35:40pm

re: #72 darthstar

Please, pretty please.

Do it Louie, do it.

78 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:37:02pm

re: #72 darthstar

Speaker Louie to the rescue!

79 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:41:10pm

Nancy Pelosi booed, heckled at Netroots Nation 2013

Netroots - taking down the oppressive police state, one institutional Democrat at a time.

Waiting for the Netroots folk merge with Glenn Beck…

80 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:41:46pm

re: #78 b.d.

Speaker Louie to the rescue!

LOUIE! LOUIE!

Youtube Video

81 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:42:38pm


Last Tweet.

82 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:45:28pm
83 Stanghazi  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:46:29pm

For Gus

84 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:47:02pm

re: #81 Gus

Sad.

Car racing used to be even more dangerous. Jackie Stewart talks about how in his early days, Grand Prix type of racers had a high mortality rate on the track.

85 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:47:10pm

re: #79 freetoken

OMG Pelosi said Snowden broke the law! That means that the entire jury pool of America is tainted and he must be set free and given a condo in Malibu.

Govt. intimidation!

86 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:47:52pm

re: #83 Stanghazi

For Gus

Thanks. Crazy fire season this year. Not much affecting Denver.

87 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:50:45pm

Mom anon ~ My apologies!! Apparently Paula Dean does drop the n word.

88 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:50:53pm

re: #84 freetoken

Sad.

Car racing used to be even more dangerous. Jackie Stewart talks about how in his early days, Grand Prix type of racers had a high mortality rate on the track.

Yeah. Was thinking about the Jackie Stewart days. Lost a lot of really good people back then. Sometimes it seemed as though it was a monthly thing. A lot of horrific crashes including fires. You don’t see many fire incident anymore.

89 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 1:55:47pm

If you have the sky for it, tonight/tomorrow are a ‘supermoon’.

en.wikipedia.org

90 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:02:20pm

That’s like the 2nd last Tweet I RT’d today.

91 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:03:06pm
92 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:05:51pm

twitter.com

93 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:09:05pm

re: #35 dragonath

At this point, Republicans have become the Christian version of Salafists.

94 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:11:08pm

Getting back to the topic of the thread - I’m already seeing articles streaming by on the “hiatus”/”halt” to global warming since 1998. Over the next 72 hours, leading up to Obama’s announcement, I expect a flood of these things, and afterwards even more. Mostly coming from the usual suspects.

So, the President’s team is not daft. They know that there will be a big counter movement on this topic, and the chance of getting anything through Congress is zilch. I wonder if Obama isn’t doing this now in order to start the 2014 election campaign, as a way of defining “them” and “us” to energize the Democratic base.

Ok, call me cynical (I am).

95 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:12:36pm

Biden Says Today’s GOP ‘A Different Breed Of Cat’

All I can think of is Rex Kramer, danger seeker.

96 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:13:11pm

re: #94 freetoken

There’s nothing really cynical about that.

97 Weet  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:13:38pm

re: #79 freetoken

Nancy Pelosi booed, heckled at Netroots Nation 2013

I am so not surprised. Most of the ignoramus “Sowdum is a hero” crowd are rude and selfish. I’ve quit reading their comments on blogs. Not worth it.

98 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:14:50pm

re: #97 Weet

I am so not surprised. Most of the ignoramus “Sowdum is a hero” crowd are rude and selfish. I’ve quit reading their comments on blogs. Not worth it.

Snowden is as much a hero as Benedict Arnold or Lord Haha.

99 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:17:20pm

re: #98 Kragar

Snowden is as much a hero as Benedict Arnold or Lord Haha.

Benedict Arnold actually did tons of cool shit and was pretty awesome for the US, but got politically fucked over by those he had reason to trust best. Legitimate cause for complaint, really. I mean, not excusing him, but he had more going for him.

Snowden is a post-nation state libertarian ideologue, from what I can tell. They don’t tend to be the most humble of folk.

100 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:17:37pm

A quick search on GOP jobs bills yields returns like this:
Senate Republicans Block Another Jobs Bill
Senate GOP blocks veterans jobs bill
The 27 Republican Bills That Aren’t About Jobs
etc.

Closer reading reveals that a Republican jobs bill is any legislation that will enable their paymasters to tear up, blow up, cut down, or despoil anything that stands between them and their God-given profits.

101 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:19:57pm

I followed the twitter accounts of a few Turkish journalists in the last couple of weeks, and now two of them are having a spat with each other. Unfortunately, they keep switching between Turkish and English, making it hard to follow, even with the ‘help’ of Google Translate.


Sometimes the English is problematic.

102 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:20:27pm

So, Greenwald is asking why the espionage charges and arguing that Snowden is nothing more than a “whistle blower”?

Tell me Edward Snowden is not cooperating with Chinese authorities. Keep on talking, Eddie.

EXCLUSIVE: NSA targeted China’s Tsinghua University in extensive hacking attacks, says Snowden
scmp.com This is the online front page; it’s full of Snowden stuff.

An online poll on the site asks, “Do you think Beijing and Hong Kong would hand over Snowden after the US filed criminal charges?” 72% said “no”. Wonder why that is?

103 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:20:33pm

re: #99 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Snowden is Duke from Repo Man

Duke: The lights are growing dim Otto. I know a life of crime has led me to this sorry fate, and yet, I blame society. Society made me what I am.

Otto: That’s bullshit. You’re a white suburban punk just like me.

Duke: Yeah, but it still hurts.

104 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:22:07pm

Oh, fucking yay!

An underground tank holding some of the worst radioactive waste at the nation’s most contaminated nuclear site might be leaking into the soil.

The U.S. Energy Department said workers at Washington state’s Hanford Nuclear Reservation detected higher radioactivity levels under tank AY-102 during a routine inspection Thursday.

Spokeswoman Lori Gamache said the department has notified Washington officials and is investigating the leak further. An engineering analysis team will conduct additional sampling and video inspection to determine the source of the contamination, she said.

105 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:26:44pm
106 freetoken  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:28:38pm

The truth is out there:

Professional Plymouth photographer saw UFO, released military files reveal

[…]

The latest tranche of declassified documents showed the decision was taken to close the desk and its UFO “hotline” in a year when sightings reported to the department had trebled, but that, in more than 50 years, none had indicated the existence of “any military threat to the UK”.
The 25 files, released by the National Archives, include 4,400 pages and cover the work carried out in the final two years of the MoD’s UFO desk, from late 2007 until November 2009.

[…]

“The last files from the UFO desk are now all in the public domain. People at home can read them and draw their own conclusions about whether the truth is in these files or still out there.”

107 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:28:42pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Is that why this guy resigned? usnews.nbcnews.com

108 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:30:26pm

re: #105 Gus

Yes, see above at #102.

109 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:31:23pm

re: #105 Gus

According to Greenwald, that isn’t espionage because … something.

110 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:32:26pm

re: #109 Kragar

According to Greenwald, that isn’t espionage because … something.

At this rate he’ll be piling on new charges.

111 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:33:44pm

Well, some news out of Libya:

So, about 1% of the population of Libya was killed in the war 2 years ago. This is approximately half of casualties per capita of the US for our Civil War. However, the Libyan Revolutionary War lasted just 8 months. The American Civil War lasted 4 years.

Summary of this article is that Italy will be providing Libya, a former colony, with assistance in building up the Government, reconstructing the military, and rounding up the guns.

112 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:34:21pm

re: #110 Gus

Sounds like he might be seeking the death penalty…

I wondered why he bragged about knowing “conversational” Mandarin.

113 otoc  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:35:13pm

re: #105 Gus

And the Guardian is right on it.

Snowden spy row grows as US is accused of hacking China

Within hours of news breaking that the US had filed charges against Snowden, the South China Morning Post reported that the whistleblower had handed over a series of documents to the paper detailing how the US had targeted Chinese phone companies as part of a widespread attempt to get its hands on a mass of data.

Text messaging is the most popular form of communication in mainland China where more than 900bn SMS messages were exchanged in 2012.Snowden reportedly told the paper: “The NSA does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cellphone companies to steal all of your SMS data.”


The paper said Snowden had also passed on information detailing NSA attacks on China’s prestigious Tsinghua University, the hub of a major digital network from which data on millions of Chinese citizens could be harvested.

114 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:35:54pm

re: #79 freetoken

Nancy Pelosi booed, heckled at Netroots Nation 2013

Netroots - taking down the oppressive police state, one institutional Democrat at a time.

Waiting for the Netroots folk merge with Glenn Beck…

Yeah, Dkos is looking just as anti-Obama as Red State these days. There is some dissent, this made the rec list today: 10 Reasons Why Greenwald is Foolish
But has now been replaced with this: 10 Reasons Why We Shouldn’t Be Focusing on Glenn F**king Greenwald

115 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:37:35pm
116 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:38:20pm

Boehner: Obama’s Climate

orange climate changes sleep furiously

117 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:38:59pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Oh, fucking yay!

Should have been moved to Yucca Mountain ages ago. But fear of that has left the wastes in far worse places.

118 Kragar  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:39:20pm

re: #115 Gus

Legal precedence states classified information is still classified even if leaked, and its distribution is still against the law.

119 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:40:57pm

re: #117 William Barnett-Lewis

Should have been moved to Yucca Mountain ages ago. But fear of that has left the wastes in far worse places.

Some anti-nuke protesters think that nuclear waste will somehow manage to magically disappear without Yucca. Right now the waste is sitting in poor conditions in some cases. Either finish Yucca or start all over again but whatever the case we need a modern centralized nuclear waste facility.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:41:05pm

re: #118 Kragar

Legal precedence states classified information is still classified even if leaked, and its distribution is still against the law.

I can understand the idea behind leaking information to the US population concerning things that involve the constitutional rights of the US people, but WTF does China have to do with our rights and constitutional guarantees?

121 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:41:38pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Yeah, just as anti-Obama as Red State. Fucking ludicrous.

122 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:43:22pm

re: #117 William Barnett-Lewis

Should have been moved to Yucca Mountain ages ago. But fear of that has left the wastes in far worse places.

A couple of your old compasses are in a barrel in South Carolina.

123 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:43:43pm

re: #119 Gus

Why can’t we do what France does with its Nuclear Waste.

You know, reprocess it? That would cut down on the need for storage.

124 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:44:43pm

re: #119 Gus

Some anti-nuke protesters think that nuclear waste will somehow manage to magically disappear without Yucca. Right now the waste is sitting in poor conditions in some cases. Either finish Yucca or start all over again but whatever the case we need a modern centralized nuclear waste facility.

Or we need to start thinking of radioactive residue as an unexploited energy source. Put the Guild of Engineers to it!!

125 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:45:18pm

re: #123 ProTARDISLiberal

Why can’t we do what France does with its Nuclear Waste.

You know, reprocess it? That would cut down on the need for storage.

Our reactors are a melange of varieties— basically each one a prototype— which would make that really difficult. we do reprocess a lot of stuff, though, there are lots of places that have that capability. That process doesn’t just zero out the waste.

What we need is new reactors on a new, stable design.

126 b.d.  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:45:43pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Yep, the Code Pink, Alex Jones and Rand Paul democrats are pretty much running the non-front page & comments show over there. No wonder kos and staff have nothing to do with that part of the site, they just ceded it to the fringe thinking that their talents alone would be enough of a draw. Look at the page view numbers lately, bad call.

127 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:46:19pm

re: #123 ProTARDISLiberal

Why can’t we do what France does with its Nuclear Waste.

You know, reprocess it? That would cut down on the need for storage.

Some security/defense type law I think. Which is funny considering how it’s stored now.

128 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:47:10pm

re: #126 b.d.

It’s nowhere near, at all, in any way, as bad as Red State. By no stretch of the imagination.

129 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:48:11pm

re: #127 Gus

Something tells me reprocessing is more secure than leaving it laying about. Also, more efficient.

130 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:49:15pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Or we need to start thinking of radioactive residue as an unexploited energy source. Put the Guild of Engineers to it!!

Some of it could be. Thorium breeders would be a good thing to be building but …

131 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:50:20pm
132 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:50:31pm

re: #126 b.d.

Yep, the Code Pink, Alex Jones and Rand Paul democrats are pretty much running the non-front page & comments show over there. No wonder kos and staff have nothing to do with that part of the site, they just ceded it to the fringe thinking that their talents alone would be enough of a draw. Look at the page view numbers lately, bad call.

I’m not sure if the mods could control it if they wanted to. In the Bush years they had to step in and ban 9-11 truth diaries and even Ron Paul diaries became so popular they had to be banned. But the progressive instinct to love people like Bradley Manning and Snowden has a very strong attraction. Some just can’t resist.

133 prairiefire  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:51:45pm

re: #121 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yeah, just as anti-Obama as Red State. Fucking ludicrous.

Redstate is a ghost town these days. 14 comments per threads, mostly, until they start beating each other up . Then it can go as high as 178.

134 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:53:00pm

re: #130 William Barnett-Lewis

Some of it could be. Thorium breeders would be a good thing to be building but …

We and the Russians have played with it a bit—not always in well-thought-through applications:

en.wikipedia.org

135 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:54:24pm

re: #131 Gus

What utter bullshit. Lynchings were extra-legal and done out of hate, vigilante actions sanctioned many times by racist sheriffs and overlooked. People might not like the FISA court, but it’s legal, and so is the NSA.

136 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:55:44pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Hey, I don’t mind those. They allow us to explore farther out planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, or Dwarf Planets like Ceres and Pluto.

137 Gus  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:57:26pm
138 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:57:40pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

I’m not sure if the mods could control it if they wanted to. In the Bush years they had to step in and ban 9-11 truth diaries and even Ron Paul diaries became so popular they had to be banned. But the progressive instinct to love people like Bradley Manning and Snowden has a very strong attraction. Some just can’t resist.

The difference in Dem and TPGOP loon-management is simple: we know our loons are loons, they think theirs are prophets. A few koskids aren’t going to make a lot of difference, and their enthusiasm is sort of touching.
Black Bloc ninja anarchists are a different story—they wreck every cause they touch.

139 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 2:58:39pm

re: #136 ProTARDISLiberal

Hey, I don’t mind those. They allow us to explore farther out planets like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, or Dwarf Planets like Ceres and Pluto.

The Russians set up a thousand or so on Earth, and sort of lost track of them, per the article.

140 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:01:50pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Yes, but we tended to be more responsible. Though, your point is correct, these things need to be regulated.

141 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:04:20pm

Meanwhile, someone has pointed out that China is worse than us in regards to human rights (duh!)

142 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:05:51pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

The difference in Dem and TPGOP loon-management is simple: we know our loons are loons, they think theirs are prophets. A few koskids aren’t going to make a lot of difference, and their enthusiasm is sort of touching.
Black Bloc ninja anarchists are a different story—they wreck every cause they touch.

Dems definitely do a better better job keeping the loons out of upper management but I was hoping that Obama, especially in his second term, might help to reboot progressive thought a bit. Looking back we all remember how conservatives opposed their own healthcare reform model once Obama adopted it but we often forget he swayed a lot of progressives that the same conservative model was a good idea. That’s no small feat. The same effort could be made on national security, drones and foreign policy too.

143 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:06:15pm

re: #137 Gus

So, yes, that means he’s cooperating with Chinese authorities and giving them what they want.

That NYT article made me want to puke. Snowjob sought protection from the Hong Kong Police?

“For the past week, Mr. Snowden, 30, appears to have been staying in an apartment in Hong Kong’s Western District that is controlled by the Hong Kong government’s security branch, according to a person who has followed the case and spoke on the condition of anonymity. Mr. Snowden appears to have been granted access to the apartment after seeking protection from the Hong Kong police against a possible rendition attempt by the United States, the person said. “

144 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:06:45pm

re: #130 William Barnett-Lewis

Some of it could be. Thorium breeders would be a good thing to be building but …

Nuclear power plants should all be run by the Department of the Navy through the Nuclear Power School in conjunction with the Civil Engineer Corps. A private industry that simply cannot purchase private insurance already relies on the government to socialize all risk, so we should either cut out the middleman and nationalize it or just let it die. I have my doubts that any entity can profitably run a nuclear power operation honestly, paying for all costs without subsidy while assuming the risk and responsibility for all contingencies.

145 wearysailor  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:07:45pm

re: #123 ProTARDISLiberal

Why can’t we do what France does with its Nuclear Waste.

You know, reprocess it? That would cut down on the need for storage.

Here’s a 2009 Nature editorial on the subject:

Adieu to nuclear recycling

146 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:08:10pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Dems definitely do a better better job keeping the loons out of upper management but I was hoping that Obama, especially in his second term, might help to reboot progressive thought a bit. Looking back we all remember how conservatives opposed their own healthcare reform model once Obama adopted it but we often forget he swayed a lot of progressives that the same conservative model was a good idea. That’s no small feat. The same effort could be made on national security, drones and foreign policy too.

I thought the TPGOP would just go into an exhausted funk after losing to Obama twice, allowing some kind of governance in the second term. Never too old to learn…

147 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:18:20pm

re: #137 Gus

re: #141 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, someone has pointed out that China is worse than us in regards to human rights (duh!)

I suppose it doesn’t mean anything in regards to his reporting on this, but I looked at the website of John Schindler, and he has The American Conservative on his short blogroll. That’s not quite VDARE territory, but Pat Buchanan is a founder and one of the regulars, as is Taki Theodoracopulos, who publishes this. Also seen there: the ‘proud member of The League of the South’, Danial Larison.

148 wrenchwench  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:21:59pm

re: #145 wearysailor

Welcome, hatchling.

149 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:24:53pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Dems definitely do a better better job keeping the loons out of upper management but I was hoping that Obama, especially in his second term, might help to reboot progressive thought a bit. Looking back we all remember how conservatives opposed their own healthcare reform model once Obama adopted it but we often forget he swayed a lot of progressives that the same conservative model was a good idea. That’s no small feat.

No, he didn’t. He swayed a lot of progressives into accepting that was the best we could do.

It’s not a binary thing, except for those who need to hold to false equivalence.

150 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:30:17pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

The same effort could be made on national security, drones and foreign policy too.

The benefits aren’t nearly as tangible. Progressive ideologues bought into half assed federal government regulation of healthcare markets because they were better than nothing. The Republicans only proposed it because in 2008 everyone realized our healthcare model was a complete failure and they felt the need to offer a middling reform position to avoid single payer. It at least moved us in the direction of the vast majority of, especially european, democracies so liberals saw it as a a move towards progress, if not an especially bold one.

Conversely, asking most progressive ideologues to endorse the administration position on spying and drone use is asking them to approve of a policy shift that they see as antithetical to progress. This is actually really, really obvious if you make even the slightest effort to examine the issue from outside your own frame of reference.

151 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:52:24pm

Snowden leaked more documents on Friday.

NSA leaks: US and Britain team up on mass surveillance

Latest revelations from Edward Snowden show that the state risks crossing ever more ethical and legal boundaries

guardian.co.uk

It’s also covered in the South China Morning Post: scmp.com

Question: Can I assume he’s leaking these documents from the safety of the apt provided for him by the Hong Kong Security Branch?

152 piratedan  Sat, Jun 22, 2013 3:57:56pm

re: #109 Kragar

According to Greenwald, that isn’t espionage because … something.

it’s Snowden’s God Given right to expose American government lawbreaking against American Citizens to a foreign power because they have a better record on freedom of the press and civil liberties. I’m positive that’s exactly what those stolen downloaded documents show because Glenn has been promising us that he’ll share all of this with the American public to expose this current administration for the lying lawbreakers that they are but he just can’t do it now because he has some dry cleaning to be picked up and some shopping that has to be done, but don’t worry, all will be revealed.


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