Zimmerman Verdict: Not Guilty
The jury has rendered their verdict in the George Zimmerman trial:
Not guilty.
The jury has rendered their verdict in the George Zimmerman trial:
Not guilty.
3 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:01:07pm |
Not guilty. Now we know where we stand, Black America. #WELP— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) July 14, 2013
6 | RinaX Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:02:05pm |
I genuinely want to cry, and not go out and burn down buildings. Sorry, wingnuts.
8 | RadicalModerate Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:02:11pm |
Now you know that in Florida, it is perfectly legal to kill an unarmed black teenager.
10 | Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:02:20pm |
I mean. He killed an unarmed kid. Just, wow.
11 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:03:08pm |
re: #10 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)
I mean. He killed an unarmed kid. Just, wow.
He killed an unarmed black kid. Apparently, that’s not a crime.
12 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:03:14pm |
There were 37M people watching that Ustream feed.
13 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:03:55pm |
— Elon James White (@elonjames) July 14, 2013
14 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:04:10pm |
Michael Vick, 16 months for dog fighting. Zimmerman goes free killing a kid. Unreal.
16 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:04:54pm |
This is the verdict I expected. And given the evidence presented, I’m inclined to think it reasonable. I also think George Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his SUV.
17 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:05:34pm |
Trayvon Martin: Guilty and sentenced to death by a cop wannabe, aided and abetted by a police department and ME’s office that couldn’t find their asses with both hands and a DA’s office that couldn’t do shit about it.
Sickening, but not unexpected; Zimmerman’s even going to court was a Hail Mary pass on the part of the DA’s office anyway.
18 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:06:23pm |
Okay I guess I won't be visiting Florida again.. so that's Texas & Florida…— Teri McClain (@terileemcclain) July 14, 2013
19 | Tigger2 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:06:32pm |
The punk got away with murder as far as I’m concerned.
20 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:07:36pm |
re: #3 Lidane
FUCK!
Add to the anger I already had…
I’m shutting down the computer before I do something really stupid.
G’night, Lizardim.
Maybe tomorrow, mos def on Monday.
[repeated from downstairs]
21 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:07:51pm |
Two court verdicts, two massive fuck yous to black people. #VRA #TrayvonMartin— Danielle (@DCPlod) July 14, 2013
22 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:08:09pm |
re: #11 Lidane
Yeah, this is going to have horrible consequences.
23 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:08:17pm |
There is nothing reasonable about this verdict. Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid.
Note to self: Stay out of Florida. Apparently, it’s legal to stalk, assault, and shoot someone that’s unarmed.
25 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:08:29pm |
Bologna. It was at least manslaughter. I would have given him 10 years.
26 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:08:59pm |
Zimmerman got away with killing someone. This was a clear case of manslaughter.
If Martin was white there never would have been a not guilty verdict.
27 | subterraneanhomesickalien Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:09:16pm |
This simply reaffirms that cynicism should be the default position for all Americans.
Regardless of race, class, religion, etc.
28 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:09:39pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
This is the verdict I expected. And given the evidence presented, I’m inclined to think it reasonable. I also think George Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his SUV.
Sweet Jebus Haploid Christ, DF.
29 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:09:43pm |
re: #26 spiderx
Zimmerman got away with killing someone. This was a clear case of manslaughter.
If Martin was white there never would have been a not guilty verdict.
If Martin was white, Zimmerman would be occupying Death Row right now.
30 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:10:15pm |
I’m going to clear off for the time being.
31 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:10:57pm |
re: #26 spiderx
If Martin was white there never would have been a not guilty verdict.
If Martin was white Zimmerman would’ve faced the death penalty.
33 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:11:12pm |
One thing is for sure. Zimmerman is not going to lead a comfortable life.
34 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:11:28pm |
our justice system is racist
Marisa Alexander - 20 years for firing a warning shot in the air to scare off an abusive husband.
George Zimmermann - not guilty of killing an unarmed black teenager.
35 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:11:45pm |
nre: #26 spiderx
Zimmerman got away with killing someone. This was a clear case of manslaughter.
If Martin was white there never would have been a not guilty verdict.
As I’ve said before if Martin had been white, Zimmerman would already be sitting on death row.
36 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:11:47pm |
Fuck, I go back on my earlier comment. I am now willing to make a complete ass out of myself venting about this.
37 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:11:53pm |
Yeah, I’m pissed.
That means that narcissistic shitheel attorney and his two horse-faced daughters laughing a young man's murder is the new normal.
— Scott Finley (@TheScottFinley) July 14, 2013
38 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:03pm |
Florida: where a POTUS candidate who wins the state is declared the loser, and guilty people walk.— Danielle (@DCPlod) July 14, 2013
39 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:05pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
This is the verdict I expected. And given the evidence presented, I’m inclined to think it reasonable. I also think George Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his SUV.
*headdesk*
40 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:15pm |
People are crying and screaming and chanting no justice no peace outside courthouse. #ZimmermanTrial— Anna Rhett Miller (@AnnaRhettHLN) July 14, 2013
41 | SidewaysQuark Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:18pm |
re: #23 Lidane
There is nothing reasonable about this verdict. Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid.
Note to self: Stay out of Florida. Apparently, it’s legal to stalk, assault, and shoot someone that’s unarmed.
If only the case had been that simple. This came down to crappy legislation, not a crappy jury, in my opinion. Given that insanity, they should have slapped an option of reckless endangerment or the like as an option to at least have the possibility of getting him on a lesser charge, I would think.
42 | bratwurst Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:34pm |
Let the right wing comedy begin:
Might be a good idea for the electronic stores and shoe stores to close up shop.— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) July 14, 2013
43 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:12:40pm |
Next time you hear someone ask “Why do you have to be “black?” why can't you just be American?” remember this moment.
— Elon James White (@elonjames) July 14, 2013
44 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:13:03pm |
Guns don't kill people. Fake cops that get guns from real cops kill people without guns.— Invisible Obama (@InvisibleObama) July 14, 2013
45 | HoosierHoops Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:13:26pm |
re: #33 Justanotherhuman
One thing is for sure. Zimmerman is not going to lead a comfortable life.
correct..No matter what..His life is over as we know it..It will stay with him forever..
There are no winners here..
48 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:14:19pm |
re: #40 NJDhockeyfan
Oh please.
The only people so far to start shit where white people. 2 drunk idiots and a racist.
49 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:14:37pm |
re: #45 HoosierHoops
correct..No matter what..His life is over as we know it..It will stay with him forever..
There are no winners here..
Hoops, he’s going to get rich(er) off of this. He’ll be just fine I bet.
50 | subterraneanhomesickalien Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:15:03pm |
re: #33 Justanotherhuman
Of course he still has his freedom, both corporeal and literal.
While a black teenager has neither.
51 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:15:06pm |
53 | calochortus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:15:36pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
Hoops, he’s going to get rich(er) off of this. He’ll be just fine I bet.
People over on FR are hoping someone starts a collection for him.
Me? I’m just sad.
54 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:15:56pm |
re: #42 bratwurst
Let the right wing comedy begin:
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.@shortstack81 @jaunte Racist —-> @toddstarnes <—- Racist— Gus (@Gus_802) July 14, 2013
55 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:16:03pm |
You know……there’s something fucked up
RT @FauxJohnMadden: George Zimmerman no jail time. Plaxico Burress served 2 years for shooting himself. America!
— HoneyBearKelly (@HBK112) July 14, 2013
56 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:16:05pm |
conservatives gloating about this. WOW. They really are a bunch of racist motherf**kers
57 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:16:17pm |
I’m real sick of the subtle and not subtle comments on the web/media about how black people are going to riot.
58 | abolitionist Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:17:37pm |
59 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:17:39pm |
Of course, my Dad is happy about the verdict.
61 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:18:34pm |
Trayvon got the death penalty for buying Skittles in a hoodie. I understand it, but still … #zimmermantrial— Jeffrey Toobin (@JeffreyToobin) July 14, 2013
62 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:18:40pm |
It doesn’t appear to me that Black lives are any more valuable today than they were when I was a teen in FL in the 1950s.
Nothing changes—racism is still embedded deeply among many in this country, and I am ashamed—that is my overall feeling.
63 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:18:44pm |
re: #53 calochortus
People over on FR are hoping someone starts a collection for him.
Me? I’m just sad.
It’s just a matter of time before Zimmerman is offered a radio or Fox News gig.
Write it down, folks…
64 | John Vreeland Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:19:24pm |
The verdict itself was an inevitable product of idiotic Florida law. If you want to legally murder someone you only need to goad them into attacking you with their fists, then when you are losing you can legally shoot them.
65 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:19:37pm |
re: #16 Dark_Falcon
This is the verdict I expected. And given the evidence presented, I’m inclined to think it reasonable. I also think George Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his SUV.
Killing an unarmed kid, totally unnecessarily is reasonable? Yeah, time again for you to fuck off with your tail between your legs. Despicable.
66 | RadicalModerate Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:20:22pm |
Two words that I thought I never would hear in the 21st Century showing up on some rightwing sites:
“Jury Nullification”.
67 | PeterWolf Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:20:24pm |
re: #63 AlexRogan
It’s just a matter of time before Zimmerman is offered a radio or Fox News gig.
Write it down, folks…
Oh, he’ll be interviewed by Hannity quickly, and part of that is so Hannity can do a victory lap wearing a smug grin.
68 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:20:59pm |
I still don't understand what Trayvon was supposed to do.
— Amy Davidson (@tnyCloseRead) July 14, 2013
69 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:21:11pm |
I want world to remember him as “just somebody that was struggling through life but nevertheless had a life.” — Sybrina, TM's mom
— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) July 14, 2013
70 | calochortus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:21:47pm |
re: #63 AlexRogan
It’s just a matter of time before Zimmerman is offered a radio or Fox News gig.
Write it down, folks…
I suspect his celebrity will be brief. He doesn’t seem to be more than a petty bully. Not entertaining TV or radio.
71 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:21:48pm |
re: #68 Stanley Sea
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He did exactly what Zimmerman wanted him to do. Died, scared and alone. Just like every other lynching.
72 | RinaX Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:21:54pm |
re: #64 John Vreeland
The verdict itself was an inevitable product of idiotic Florida law. If you want to legally murder someone you only need to goad them into attacking you with their fists, then when you are losing you can legally shoot them.
Only if you’re white…
73 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:22:00pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I’m going to clear off for the time being.
Gutless…
/the tale of Brave Sir Robin
74 | SidewaysQuark Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:22:51pm |
re: #57 Varek Raith
I’m real sick of the subtle and not subtle comments on the web/media about how black people are going to riot.
Follow the $$$. Guess who ca$hes in on more viewership by fanning the flames? Disgusting.
75 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:24:09pm |
I still don’t understand the conservative mindset when it comes to this case. Do they really think Zimmernan was justified in killing Martin?
76 | RadicalModerate Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:24:50pm |
re: #75 spiderx
I still don’t understand the conservative mindset when it comes to this case. Do they really think Zimmernan was justified in killing Martin?
Justified? They think Zimmerman is a damn hero.
77 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:25:35pm |
re: #76 RadicalModerate
Justified? They think Zimmerman is a damn hero.
yeah..why? Do they just not like black people?
78 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:26:14pm |
re: #75 spiderx
I still don’t understand the conservative mindset when it comes to this case. Do they really think Zimmernan was justified in killing Martin?
Yes. See Charles’s earlier article. They think there’s 100s of black Zimmermans that the media just refuses to talk about. This time it was “reversed”. Martin picked the wrong guy to attack, blah blah blah.
Spits
80 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:26:59pm |
Sorry Florida. But you're a weird state. #JusticeForTrayvon http://t.co/6FrwyDEfmp— Gus (@Gus_802) July 14, 2013
81 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:02pm |
re: #77 spiderx
yeah..why? Do they just not like black people?
Hm….let me think about his for a bit.
82 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:02pm |
I think Zimmerman and Casey Anthony would make a cute couple.
83 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:28pm |
There will no doubt now be a civil suit and trial…and just like OJ, I bet the result will be guilty there. Zimmerman will be forced to testify.
He may not go to jail but he will pay.
84 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:30pm |
85 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:34pm |
Doesn’t beyond a reasonable doubt mean anything? Anybody watching the trial knows that the prosecution was not able to establish that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life.
86 | calochortus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:40pm |
re: #75 spiderx
Yes they do, he was a scary young black thug sneakily armed with a deadly sidewalk as a weapon. Zimmerman defended himself with his handgun. It has all the important elements.
87 | Tigger2 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:27:59pm |
Well Florida you can kiss my vacation money goodbye until you get rid of that legal murder stand your ground law.
88 | spiderx Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:28:37pm |
i had some idiot say to me “well, you can’t disprove that Zimmerman didn’t fear for his life and had to use self defense, therefore thats reasonable doubt”
89 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:28:51pm |
Zimmerman might be an asshole or an idiot. He might or might not have been driven by subtle racism, authority fetishism, stupidity, or just plain adrenaline. I would have liked to have seen him get some sentence.
The people cheering him, though, are utter bastards, because they’re not viewing this as the exception, or the special case. Their worldview is built on a dichotomy of Thugs That Need To Die versus People Who Will Righteously Shoot Them. And who’s whom isn’t determined by evidence, but by the admixture of race, class, and privilege.
90 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:29:03pm |
Everyone needs to remember that ALEC came up with the stand your ground law. ALEC just legalized murder in Florida.— Eric Heggie (@ericheggie) July 14, 2013
91 | urbanmeemaw Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:29:10pm |
I’m not surprised. That does not diminish my rage. At this point the only thing I know to do is pray for the soul of America and send my love to Trayvon’s family. And to remember what MLK said about the arc of justice. I just don’t know what else to do right now.
92 | CuriousLurker Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:29:25pm |
This SUCKS. I can’r even begin to imagine how Trayvon’s parents feel. Time to step away from the interwebs for the night. G’nite, lizards.
93 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:29:28pm |
The elation of the conservatives I follow on twitter over the death of a teenager is creepy— Ari Rabin-Havt (@AriRabinHavt) July 14, 2013
94 | Political Atheist Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:30:01pm |
IMO-Zimmerman should have gotten manslaughter. From everything I ever learned about self defense, ever thought to advocate in terms of room for the average joe in a jam.
95 | Skip Intro Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:30:22pm |
re: #33 Justanotherhuman
One thing is for sure. Zimmerman is not going to lead a comfortable life.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as an honored guest at the 2016 GOP convention.
96 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:30:24pm |
re: #85 theye1
Doesn’t beyond a reasonable doubt mean anything? Anybody watching the trial knows that the prosecution was not able to establish that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life.
That would require telepathy.
Fear is an emotion. Not something we can measure after the fact.
97 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:30:39pm |
re: #83 blueraven
There will no doubt now be a civil suit and trial…and just like OJ, I bet the result will be guilty there. Zimmerman will be forced to testify.
He may not go to jail but he will pay.
Good call….
.@NAACP promises to pursue civil rights charges against #Zimmerman through Justice Dept http://t.co/7ONiUzPO4V— Michael King (@mhking) July 14, 2013
98 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:31:37pm |
re: #94 Political Atheist
IMO-Zimmerman should have gotten manslaughter. From everything I ever learned about self defense, ever thought to advocate in terms of room for the average joe in a jam.
Apparently manslaughter doesn’t exist when the dead body belongs to an unarmed black teenager.
Pathetic.
99 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:32:15pm |
re: #58 abolitionist
Breathe in
…
Breathe out
No.
I’m going to do something.
I’m sick of these assholes paralyzing and dividing my country.
Once the red vision subsides, I will have an idea.
100 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:32:33pm |
re: #87 Tigger2
Well Florida you can kiss my vacation money goodbye until you get rid of that legal murder stand your ground law.
Same here, not a god damn penny.
101 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:33:15pm |
re: #97 NJDhockeyfan
Jesus, is the House in session next week? The resolutions demanding the DOJ stay out of this or else is going to be….numerous.
102 | allegro Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:33:21pm |
Been quite a telling and depressing 24 hours for women and minorities in the US as we find out exactly where we stand… or lie dying.
This shit has done gotten real.
103 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:34:10pm |
re: #88 spiderx
i had some idiot say to me “well, you can’t disprove that Zimmerman didn’t fear for his life and had to use self defense, therefore thats reasonable doubt”
Sure you can. Give him three weeks and he’ll be bragging about it.
104 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:34:20pm |
“C’mon. I broke my nose! Just a little acknowledgment would be nice.” - George Zimmerman http://t.co/2K0LM723sk— The Onion (@TheOnion) July 14, 2013
105 | calochortus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:34:55pm |
I hope that there will be no rioting (every group has its idiots and I’d love to see the rightwing fearmongers proven totally wrong about trouble resulting.) But I’d love to see everyone outraged by the verdict registering and voting in the next 10 elections, or so.
107 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:35:42pm |
The fundamental danger of an acquittal is not more riots, it is more George ZImmermans.— jay smooth (@jsmooth995) July 13, 2013
108 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:35:59pm |
re: #85 theye1
Doesn’t beyond a reasonable doubt mean anything? Anybody watching the trial knows that the prosecution was not able to establish that Zimmerman was not in fear of his life.
Because the LEOs fucked up on the scene, and processing, and additional backstage meddling from GZ’s dad all clouded the process.
Which is all actual FACT, attested to.
109 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:36:20pm |
Ann Coulter on George Zimmerman verdict: “Hallelujah!” http://t.co/GxQHUATDoz— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) July 14, 2013
111 | JamesWI Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:37:15pm |
re: #94 Political Atheist
IMO-Zimmerman should have gotten manslaughter. From everything I ever learned about self defense, ever thought to advocate in terms of room for the average joe in a jam.
Yeah, studying for the bar right now. Even if they believed him that he truly thought he was in danger and had the right to defend himself, that’s pretty much the textbook definition of voluntary manslaughter. Imperfect self-defense is what you call it when you use deadly force in a situation where you don’t have the right.
112 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:37:23pm |
Also in FL black single mom fires warning shots, cites Stand Your Ground, gets 20 years Friday http://t.co/VJzb9JwPQY— AnnGerhart (@AnnGerhart) July 14, 2013
113 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:37:28pm |
114 | BlazerBeav Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:37:39pm |
Are people honestly surprised - and, if so, did you watch the trial? The defense put on a better case, and the burden was on the prosecution to prove their case beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don’t know how anyone can honestly say that occurred here. Just from a strictly legal point of view, this appears to be the correct outcome.
116 | Skip Intro Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:04pm |
re: #75 spiderx
I still don’t understand the conservative mindset when it comes to this case. Do they really think Zimmernan was justified in killing Martin?
Let’s just get this out in the open. The white guy killed the n*****, so of course it’s justified. They’re only sorry they can’t do the same thing to Obama.
117 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:15pm |
re: #108 chadu
Given the evidence presented they couldn’t have gotten a guilty verdict, the evidence just wasn’t there. The prosecution did not present any evidence that contradicted Zimmerman’s account, it in fact had evidence that supported Zimmerman’s account.
119 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:22pm |
re: #114 BlazerBeav
Are people honestly surprised - and, if so, did you watch the trial? The defense put on a better case, and the burden was on the prosecution to prove their case beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don’t know how anyone can honestly say that occurred here. Just from a strictly legal point of view, this appears to be the correct outcome.
wrong. Not a shadow of a doubt. Reasonable doubt.
120 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:23pm |
re: #114 BlazerBeav
The legal boundary is not ‘shadow of a doubt’. It’s ‘reasonable doubt’. That Zimmerman changed his story so many times is, alone, reasonable doubt to me, unless he reconciled those statements. He didn’t.
121 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:51pm |
Zimmerman not guilty! No shit! Godbless real justice! Hallelujah!— Ted Nugent (@TedNugent) July 14, 2013
122 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:39:54pm |
re: #114 BlazerBeav
Yeah, the defense put on a better case if you believe the lies that were told.
123 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:40:23pm |
124 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:40:26pm |
re: #121 Lidane
Why am I NOT surprised?! RT@Deadspin: Not the best time to use split-screen, Fox: http://t.co/WQerIEkiMW— Mary (@OHTheMaryD) July 14, 2013
125 | Renaissance_Man Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:40:32pm |
It goes to show, once again, that in America, using a gun makes you more morally correct. And also legally so - it seems to me that there would have been far fewer legal protections had Zimmerman killed him with a knife.
126 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:40:51pm |
re: #114 BlazerBeav
Are people honestly surprised - and, if so, did you watch the trial? The defense put on a better case, and the burden was on the prosecution to prove their case beyond the shadow of a doubt. I don’t know how anyone can honestly say that occurred here. Just from a strictly legal point of view, this appears to be the correct outcome.
The defense put out a blizzard of contradictory statements, meant to confuse.
Seems to have succeeded. /spit
127 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:40:53pm |
re: #117 theye1
Given the evidence presented they couldn’t have gotten a guilty verdict, the evidence just wasn’t there. The prosecution did not present any evidence that contradicted Zimmerman’s account, it in fact had evidence that supported Zimmerman’s account.
This is untrue. First of all, Zimmerman has given conflicting accounts, so you’ll have to explain which of his contradictory accounts you mean. Second of all, his wounds were consistent with a single, or very few blows, and inconsistent with his head being slammed on the ground.
It certainly was a case where acquittal wasn’t out of the question, but you’re simply not telling the truth here.
128 | BlazerBeav Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:41:29pm |
I’ve seen this argument about lies - but as has been argued by the legal experts on TV - these “lies” were not important. Even the investigating officer testified that he believed Zimmerman’s account of events.
129 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:41:53pm |
re: #117 theye1
Given the evidence presented they couldn’t have gotten a guilty verdict, the evidence just wasn’t there. The prosecution did not present any evidence that contradicted Zimmerman’s account, it in fact had evidence that supported Zimmerman’s account.
Which account?
My count was that he had three wildly differing accounts of what happened.
130 | prairiefire Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:41:56pm |
It’s just another lynching in a different century. Trayon was provoked and died, and the law approved it.
Fie unto them, fie.
131 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:42:09pm |
His worst injury was a broken nose.
Shit, I broke mine walking in to a fucking cabinet door.
132 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:42:41pm |
I tell ya, an awful lot of people are going to fear for their lives around Zimmerman. I don’t blame them one bit. I’m sure he could make an entire group feel threatened, assuming they only had baseball bats. We know Zimmerman has a gun and no fear of using it with little to no provocation. I’d be fearing for my life as soon as I set eyes on him.
133 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:03pm |
re: #118 Varek Raith
I’m spitting nails, VR. I was ready to walk away, but then there was this locus of STUPID.
Oh, well.
134 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:06pm |
You know, Gawker got shit on the other day for publishing an MSNBC screen capture of Trayvon Martin’s body at the crime scene.
Fuck that. Here is the link to Gawker.
The Walking Dead has more gore than this photo. The one difference? This photo is real. That is a dead black teenager, and tonight, a jury decided his death didn’t happen and that the man who killed him didn’t do anything wrong.
This is heartbreaking and horrible. WTF America?
135 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:17pm |
re: #128 BlazerBeav
Lies not important?
What the hell man.
What the hell.
136 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:37pm |
re: #131 Varek Raith
His worst injury was a broken nose.
Shit, I broke mine walking in to a fucking cabinet door.
O’Mara gave Zimmerman his money’s worth, with help from the Sanford PD.
137 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:44pm |
re: #128 BlazerBeav
Yeah that is why he recommended he be charged with Manslaughter that night. //
138 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:43:46pm |
re: #128 BlazerBeav
I’ve seen this argument about lies - but as has been argued by the legal experts on TV - these “lies” were not important. Even the investigating officer testified that he believed Zimmerman’s account of events.
Again, which version of events that Zimmerman gave?
139 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:44:22pm |
So tonight was a win for American douche bags. #NoJusticeForTrayvon— Gus (@Gus_802) July 14, 2013
141 | Skip Intro Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:44:25pm |
re: #136 AlexRogan
O’Mara gave Zimmerman his money’s worth, with help from the Sanford PD.
Is Zimmerman going to sue Martin’s family for the cost of the bullet?
142 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:44:34pm |
re: #121 Lidane
Seriously, the Nuge needs a nut-punch.
Two (or was it three?) visits from the Secret Service haven’t calmed him down yet.
143 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:44:42pm |
Thanks to everyone who are with us and who will be with us si we together can make sure that this doesn't happen again
— Tracy Martin (@BTraymartin9) July 14, 2013
144 | HSG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:44:47pm |
If it’s any consolation, Trayvon Martin’s family probably has a pretty good wrongful death case against George Zimmerman and could reduce him to penury for a decade or more.
145 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:45:24pm |
What the fuck is happening, America? It's as if you're determined to undo any kind of social progress achieved over past few decades.— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) July 14, 2013
146 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:45:41pm |
re: #144 HSG
If it’s any consolation, Trayvon Martin’s family probably has a pretty good wrongful death case against George Zimmerman and could reduce him to penury for a decade or more.
That and the Feds aren’t even remotely started with him yet.
147 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:45:53pm |
148 | BlazerBeav Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:45:55pm |
re: #135 Varek Raith
Lies not important?
What the hell man.
What the hell.
Honestly - lay out the lies, and show how they were integral to anything and not just simple inconsistencies.
149 | HSG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:46:29pm |
re: #147 Varek Raith
Oh?
Civil rights action.
By the time the justice system is done with him, he’ll weigh 525 pounds.
152 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:47:08pm |
re: #128 BlazerBeav
I’ve seen this argument about lies - but as has been argued by the legal experts on TV - these “lies” were not important. Even the investigating officer testified that he believed Zimmerman’s account of events.
Ah, appeal to authority. Even when that authority has been called into question.
Well done.
153 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:47:19pm |
re: #148 BlazerBeav
14 comments in 2 years. Interesting night to decide to check in with us.
154 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:47:40pm |
No one from Zimmerman's team is apologizing or expressing any remorse about the death of Trayvon Martin.
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) July 14, 2013
155 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:48:06pm |
re: #148 BlazerBeav
I thought you watched the trial…
The prosecution laid them out in their rebuttal.
156 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:48:12pm |
re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
The account of the actual altercation was mostly the same. Secondly, level of injuries has no real factor on whether it was self defense or not. Sorry, the prosecution had really weak case. If anything, I would blame prosecutorial overreach as the cause of the not guilty verdict.
158 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:48:29pm |
Zimmerman lawyer: “I think the prosecution of George Zimmerman was disgraceful” Also disgraceful: Killing an unarmed 17-year-old boy— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 14, 2013
159 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:48:31pm |
re: #154 jaunte
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Of course not. They won. That’s all they care about. “We killed it.”
160 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:49:13pm |
Should a reasonable black teen who runs into Z on the street presume that he is armed, and fear an imminent threat to his life?
— Adam Bonin (@adambonin) July 14, 2013
161 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:49:34pm |
re: #121 Lidane
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Go fuck a deer. RT @TedNugent Zimmerman not guilty! No shit! Godbless real justice! Hallelujah!
— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) July 14, 2013
162 | Belafon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:50:18pm |
re: #85 theye1
I know. It’s hard to believe he didn’t feel threatened after he got out of the truck after being told not too.
At the point he got out of the truck, it became premeditated. If you can have premeditated manslaughter, the we’ll call it that. But it was not longer self-defense after that point.
163 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:50:40pm |
re: #156 theye1
The account of the actual altercation was mostly the same. Secondly, level of injuries has no real factor on whether it was self defense or not. Sorry, the prosecution has really weak case. If anything, I would blame prosecutorial overreach as the cause of the not guilty verdict.
That’s because the account of the altercation came from one person.
One.
Guess who?
The same person who also lied numerous times about what lead up to it.
So…
Yeah.
164 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:51:01pm |
Based on the evidence, I don’t see how anyone could have expected any other verdict.
165 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:51:22pm |
I really would not be surprised if GZ sued the state for malicious prosecution or some similar bullshit.
166 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:05pm |
re: #164 krypto
Based on the evidence, I don’t see how anyone could have expected any other verdict.
You have all of our sympathies.
167 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:06pm |
re: #148 BlazerBeav
Honestly - lay out the lies, and show how they were integral to anything and not just simple inconsistencies.
Sweet Jebus Buddha in a disco.
Have you not been paying attention around here for the past 6-8 months?
Don’t recognize your name, except from this thread.
Thus, fuck you.
Courteously.
/1776
168 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:07pm |
Mark O'Mara: Things would have been different if George Zimmerman was black because he never would have been charged with a crime.
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) July 14, 2013
169 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:11pm |
Ah, so O’Mara is explaining the rehabilitation of Z’s reputation already.
Clever boy.
170 | abolitionist Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:20pm |
re: #148 BlazerBeav
Honestly - lay out the lies, and show how they were integral to anything and not just simple inconsistencies.
Here’s one: “Fucking cones” —GZ
Have you listened to the 911 audio?
171 | Ming Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:33pm |
I wanted Zimmerman to be convicted. But that was always secondary to the enormity of the tragedy. It really hurts that Trayvon, who could have been my son or grandson, had so many years stolen from him.
172 | prairiefire Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:52:36pm |
re: #102 allegro
Been quite a telling and depressing 24 hours for women and minorities in the US as we find out exactly where we stand… or lie dying.
This shit has done gotten real.
It’s real, and we won’t forget it.
175 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:54:11pm |
re: #163 Varek Raith
Reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence.
Secondly, does florida allow for civil in case of self defense? In some jurisdiction they don’t.
176 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:54:11pm |
In the mood to create Trayvon’s Fund, a 501 (c) dedicated to training, arming, and getting CCP for Florida’s black teenagers.
177 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:54:19pm |
re: #166 McSpiff
You have all of our sympathies.
Meaning what? Am I talking to a uniform mob of some sort?
179 | BlazerBeav Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:54:43pm |
re: #155 Varek Raith
I thought you watched the trial…
The prosecution laid them out in their rebuttal.
And as the juror clearly found as well, they were inconsequential.
180 | Egregious Philbin Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:54:58pm |
I am so glad I decided to spend the last 2 hours by the pool, listening to Zappa and reading a book.
Zimmerman is a two bit Barney Fife with a gun, he had NO business leaving that car after 9/11 told him to stay in the car.
Shenanigans
182 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:55:37pm |
re: #178 Varek Raith
Iknowrite.
ZOMG! They’re letting it all hang out tonight. WHITE VICTORY! // (half)
184 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:55:52pm |
Fuck you, too, O’Mara, you racist POS.
185 | BlazerBeav Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:16pm |
re: #153 McSpiff
14 comments in 2 years. Interesting night to decide to check in with us.
Sorry, normally just choose to read but felt like interjecting for once. I realize that makes my position or comments have less weight as I don’t provide personal life status updates in comments, but I didn’t see any requirements as to how often one posts.
186 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:19pm |
It would be great if the defense team, while celebrating the verdict, acknowledged that a young man is dead & a family still grieves.
— April (@ReignOfApril) July 14, 2013
187 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:20pm |
Stalking and shooting unarmed teenagers because you’re a paranoid racist! AMIRIGHTGUYS?! YEAH!#FuckYouGeorgeZimmermanDieInAFire— Wil Wheaton (@wilw) July 14, 2013
188 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:21pm |
@keithboykin What in.— Gus (@Gus_802) July 14, 2013
189 | Kid A Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:21pm |
The bar I’m in erupted in cheers when the verdict was read. I wish I was kidding.
190 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:27pm |
re: #156 theye1
The account of the actual altercation was mostly the same. Secondly, level of injuries has no real factor on whether it was self defense or not. Sorry, the prosecution had really weak case. If anything, I would blame prosecutorial overreach as the cause of the not guilty verdict.
The level of injury obviously has a real factor on whether it was self defense. It is really unlikely that you’re going to be grievously hurt in a scuffle like that.
And Zimmerman’s account of the actual altercation wasn’t mostly the same. In one version, he has Martin actually saying he’s going to kill him. He also was unable to ever explain how he was able to draw the gun, center it, and shoot it while at the same time helpless to otherwise fight back.
I fully understand that the evidence wasn’t overwhelming, and the jury verdict is, if regrettable, understandable. What I don’t understand is people like you who have this bizarre attitude that it was a foregone conclusion.
191 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:30pm |
re: #177 krypto
Meaning what? Am I talking to a uniform mob of some sort?
Not at all, I can’t imagine trying to live in a complex and confusing world without enough logic in my head to figure out how a man killing an unarmed kid could result in a manslaughter conviction. It must be very difficult.
192 | Tigger2 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:32pm |
193 | twisty Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:33pm |
Certain people hoped for a riot. From Trayvon supporters there’s nothing but a huge outpouring of sorrow and love for the family from all corners. That’s a vigil.
194 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:56:46pm |
re: #179 BlazerBeav
Which is odd, considering how big the lies and contradictions were.
Not inconsequential at all.
195 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:57:01pm |
Okay…closed my twitter feed for the night, and I’m signing off here as well. Got engaged with some racist trolls and am just done. Take care everyone.
196 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:57:19pm |
197 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:57:31pm |
re: #189 Kid Hail Satan
The bar I’m in erupted in cheers when the verdict was read. I wish I was kidding.
Find a different bar.
198 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:58:51pm |
Danger: white privilege on Twitter approaching toxic levels.— Danielle (@DCPlod) July 14, 2013
199 | calochortus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:59:10pm |
re: #193 twisty
Certain people hoped for a riot. From Trayvon supporters there’s nothing but a huge outpouring of sorrow and love for the family from all corners. That’s a vigil.
Oh, don’t worry, somewhere some black person will commit a crime tonight and that will be all the proof those certain people need.
200 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:59:16pm |
Seriously, what the hell is with the cheering over a dead teenager?
Man, that’s fucked up.
201 | RadicalModerate Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:59:23pm |
O’Mara, on a question posed if the races of Zimmerman and Martin were reversed “If [Zimmerman] was black, [arrest and murder charges] would have never happened”.
Yeah. This case was NEVER about race.
202 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:59:28pm |
re: #65 McSpiff
Killing an unarmed kid, totally unnecessarily is reasonable? Yeah, time again for you to fuck off with your tail between your legs. Despicable.
Thanks for the downding DF. Why not stick around? Coward.
203 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 7:59:44pm |
In 3 years, some clueless white guy is going to turn to another clueless white guy and go, “Why can't blacks just get over the race thing?”— Mat Johnson (@mat_johnson) July 14, 2013
205 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:00:29pm |
My sister's church member called, scared. White folks in her suburban neighborhood are setting off fireworks in celebration.
— Nichole (@tnwhiskeywoman) July 14, 2013
206 | 122 Year Old Obama Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:00:34pm |
An unarmed teen is dead. HE’S FUCKING GONE.
Where the fuck is the empathy? His parents. Oh good lord his parents. I can only imagine how they’re feeling right now.
207 | twisty Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:00:54pm |
re: #200 Varek Raith
Seriously, what the hell is with the cheering over a dead teenager?
Man, that’s fucked up.
Starting to hear some internet reports of fireworks being set off. Sick as all hell.
208 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:01:08pm |
209 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:01:24pm |
This is about the worst possible outcome for gun-rights lovers, though they probably don’t realize it yet.
212 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:02:03pm |
re: #205 jaunte
Wow.
I would advise that family to leave now. For all that woman knows, the neighborhood may decide to imitate the Tulsa Race Riots.
213 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:02:29pm |
re: #175 theye1
Reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence.
Secondly, does florida allow for civil in case of self defense? In some jurisdiction they don’t.
No, not really. If Trayvon Martin’s family were to go through with a lawsuit, Zimmerman could now claim that Martin was committing a forcible felony by attacking him. And in Florida, if that defense holds up the law provides tht the plaintiff has to pay not only the defendant’s legal fees but also any other costs the defendant incurred in fighting the suit.
214 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:02:42pm |
So you hate 'kid killers' protesting in Texas but celebrate an actual kid killer going free in Florida? GTFOH.— Danielle (@DCPlod) July 14, 2013
215 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:02:47pm |
re: #209 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
This is about the worst possible outcome for gun-rights lovers, though they probably don’t realize it yet.
A white guy killed a black kid. Why would they care?
218 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:03:53pm |
Amazing to me defense attys now going off abt reverse racism. A window into motivation. Got an acquittal. Time to stfu.— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 14, 2013
219 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:03:59pm |
What in the fucking the world is wrong with these people?
220 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:04:26pm |
re: #215 Lidane
A white guy killed a black kid. Why would they care?
Because this verdict means that an armed guy who loses a fistfight can just shoot his way out if there aren’t any witnesses.
221 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:04:27pm |
re: #202 McSpiff
I’m here. But there was a question about the law that was asked that I knew the answer to, so I was answering that.
222 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:04:31pm |
O’Mara, you have no idea what Trayvon Martin was thinking.
Shut your racist trap, you POS.
223 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:04:35pm |
How about a Federal DoJ Civil Rights case? That’s what you do when the klan jury and the klan sheriff turn the klan defendants loose.
224 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:04:58pm |
In all seriousness, fuck you john roberts..— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) July 14, 2013
225 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:05:01pm |
re: #220 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Because this verdict means that an armed guy who loses a fistfight can just shoot his way out if there aren’t any witnesses.
Only if he’s white. If that armed guy is black, he’s going to prison or death row.
227 | 122 Year Old Obama Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:05:17pm |
re: #219 Gus
I ask myself that every day.
228 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:05:32pm |
re: #189 Kid Hail Satan
The bar I’m in erupted in cheers when the verdict was read. I wish I was kidding.
Texas, right?
229 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:05:39pm |
230 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:05:58pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
I’m here. But there was a question about the law that was asked that I knew the answer to, so I was answering that.
So care to explain how you believe this is reasonable? Please detail which part of Zimmerman getting out of the car, following Martin, and gunning him down you would classify as “reasonable”.
232 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:06:22pm |
To sum up this week in the news: Don't be Black in Florida. Don't be a woman in Texas. Don't be poor in America. #dobetter— Sara Lang (@SaraLang) July 14, 2013
233 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:06:34pm |
re: #223 Decatur Deb
How about a Federal DoJ Civil Rights case? That’s what you do when the klan jury and the klan sheriff turn the klan defendants loose.
There really hasn’t been strong enough evidence produced that he profiled him because of his race.
This will probably just be another injustice for black America to accept. We’ve got a black president and we still have black kids arrested eight times more often than white kids who are committing the same crimes at the same rates. We still have white murderers of blacks, when convicted, receiving lighter sentences.
2013.
235 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:06:59pm |
Right wing media is sad because there aren’t any riots in FL. Breitbart’s @Stranahan is down to photographing empty bottles.— Teresa (@TeresaKopec) July 14, 2013
236 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:07:14pm |
re: #227 122 Year Old Obama
I ask myself that every day.
My neck will start hurting so I lose track sometimes.
237 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:07:20pm |
re: #223 Decatur Deb
How about a Federal DoJ Civil Rights case? That’s what you do when the klan jury and the klan sheriff turn the klan defendants loose.
Possible, but it would be a tough case. As I understand it, those cases require proof that the accused intended to deprive the victim of his or her civil rights. I think the DoJ would face an extremely difficult challenge in proving intent.
238 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:07:36pm |
re: #233 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
There really hasn’t been strong enough evidence produced that he profiled him because of his race.
This will probably just be another injustice for black America to accept. We’ve got a black president and we still have black kids arrested eight times more often than white kids who are committing the same crimes at the same rates. We still have white murderers of blacks, when convicted, receiving lighter sentences.
2013.
Ah. I see. So the Panthers were right.
239 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:07:54pm |
I get your client was acquitted but this victory lap press conference is gross - a kid is still dead.
— Ari Rabin-Havt (@AriRabinHavt) July 14, 2013
240 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:07:55pm |
I did not expect to see this kind of celebration.
Man…
241 | RadicalModerate Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:08:05pm |
re: #223 Decatur Deb
How about a Federal DoJ Civil Rights case? That’s what you do when the klan jury and the klan sheriff turn the klan defendants loose.
I’ve seen posts on rightwing sites congratulating the Zimmerman trial jury members (some of who were apparently seen congratulating the defense team) for their jury nullification efforts.
242 | Jocko's Rocket Ship Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:09:07pm |
The defense attorney just folded on the death of his niece to the story. That’s truly a scumbag move.
243 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:09:08pm |
Not at all, I can’t imagine trying to live in a complex and confusing world without enough logic in my head to figure out how a man killing an unarmed kid could result in a manslaughter conviction. It must be very difficult.
Maybe it is your own logic that is warped by your prejudices — I feel like I am at Fox nation reading the sort of nonsense Foxbots make up when I read your made up personal claims about me because I merely happen to point out that the evidence in court made it obvious what the verdict had to be.
Nobody should have wound up dead. Carrying the gun was a bad idea, getting out of the car wasn’t smart, etc., but it was not against any law and was not any form of assault. The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Self-defense is a valid defense against a charge of manslaughter just as much as against a charge of murder.
Based on the evidence presented in the court, the decision reached was fully expected.
244 | Skandal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:09:12pm |
@fivefifths: A system cannot fail those it was never built to protect
245 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:10:30pm |
re: #240 Varek Raith
I did not expect to see this kind of celebration.
Man…
Oh, I did. I knew that if Zimmerman walked, the RWNJs were going to go into full party mode.
246 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:10:34pm |
re: #238 Decatur Deb
Ah. I see. So the Panthers were right.
I think, like Marx, they were right in their critique and incorrect in their solution. But Malcom X and Martin Luther King Jr. aren’t as far apart as people often think. Martin Luther King Jr. had a dream. He knew it wasn’t a reality.
All of this translates to me as Must Work Harder.
It sure as hell ain’t dawn yet.
247 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:10:38pm |
re: #226 Varek Raith
O’Mara showing his true colors.
Wow…
Well, to be fair, he probably figures he’s found his gold mine of defending future child killers from the oppressive anti-white justice system.
Gotta protect your market share dontchaknow.
/spits
248 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:10:55pm |
AP BREAKING: Trayvon Martin found guilty of punching a crazy racist guy with a gun chasing him through the streets at night
— lawblob (@lawblob) July 14, 2013
249 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:11:49pm |
George Zimmerman gets his gun back. Let that sink in.— Tyler Jones (@TylerMJones) July 14, 2013
250 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:12:09pm |
re: #243 krypto
There is not evidence that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.
Do you think maybe tonight, of all nights, is not the night to scold people about this? If you’re right, well, your side won. There’s still a dead teenager and a grief-stricken family whose kid got taken away because of Zimmerman’s choices. Can you have some empathy?
251 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:12:56pm |
Just walked in a few minutes ago to hear the news. Tragic. No other way to put it.
I figured the regular LGF readers who make up the “Zimmerman is a martyr” fan club would be doing a jig. Didn’t expect that a bunch of new readers would jump into gloat.
Seriously, folks, if you can sit there and solemnly nod your head and say justice was done in this case, you’ve got the empathy of a rock.
252 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:13:11pm |
Regardless of what the law says, one thing is true: If George Zimmerman had just stayed in his car, Trayvon Martin would be alive.— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) July 14, 2013
253 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:13:52pm |
re: #243 krypto
What evidence was presented that Martin initiated the confrontation? Zimmerman’s word? I have no idea how you or that Jury could find that credible. I’m sure even with your thick skull you’d manage to not say “I shot the kid in cold blood”.
254 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:14:08pm |
re: #245 Lidane
Oh, I did. I knew that if Zimmerman walked, the RWNJs were going to go into full party mode.
Mark my words: George Zimmerman will hereafter be a beneficiary of wingnut welfare. He will profit from shooting Trayvon Martin because that act embodies so many different aspects of the wingnut authoritarian fantasy, and they will pay good money for his role as surrogate.
255 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:14:14pm |
Stats on Stand Your Ground law mind-blowing. http://t.co/s475VO3Duo … 40% of people invoking it had 3 arrests or more! #ZimmermanTrial— Aurora De Lucia (@AurorasBlog) July 14, 2013
256 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:14:32pm |
re: #243 krypto
I had no axe to grind. This should not have been made into a case for the gun nuts agenda, and neither should it have been spun into some war against racism fantasy.
Yes
Maybe it is your own logic that is warped by your prejudices — I feel like I am at Fox nation reading the sort of nonsense Foxbots make up when I read your made up personal claims about me because I merely happen to point out that the evidence in court made it obvious what the verdict had to be.
Nobody should have wound up dead. Carrying the gun was a bad idea, getting out of the car wasn’t smart, etc., but it was not against any law and was not any form of assault. The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Self-defense is a valid defense against a charge of manslaughter just as much as against a charge of murder.
Based on the evidence presented in the court, the decision reached was fully expected.
I really question that interpretation. I do not think the evidence points to that.
I think the evidence is vague, here.
257 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:15:20pm |
Zimmerman was right about one thing, these assholes always get away.— Andisheh Nouraee (@andishehnouraee) July 14, 2013
258 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:16:07pm |
re: #254 The Ghost of a Flea
Mark my words: George Zimmerman will hereafter be a beneficiary of wingnut welfare. He will profit from shooting Trayvon Martin because that act embodies so many different aspects of the wingnut authoritarian fantasy, and they will pay good money for his role as surrogate.
Of course he will.
There will be the inevitable Fox News gig, the ghostwritten book on how he courageously battled a scary ni-CLANG and lived to tell about it, and the honored guest status at the 2016 Republican National Convention.
259 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:16:17pm |
Yes, this is how our system works, and yes, if the prosecution couldn’t prove Zimmerman broke a law, then this was the right outcome.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) July 14, 2013
But c’mon, don’t be a f*cking pedant. People are upset because Zimmerman is morally guilty for the death of an innocent teenager.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) July 14, 2013
260 | Justanotherhuman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:17:02pm |
Jesus, racism and sexism are fucking exhausting. Think I’ll have a good, purging cry and go to bed now.
261 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:17:18pm |
re: #258 Lidane
You forgot about his new gig as ALEC’s professional expert witness in future SYG efforts.
262 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:17:44pm |
re: #243 krypto
Maybe it is your own logic that is warped by your prejudices — I feel like I am at Fox nation reading the sort of nonsense Foxbots make up when I read your made up personal claims about me because I merely happen to point out that the evidence in court made it obvious what the verdict had to be.
Nobody should have wound up dead. Carrying the gun was a bad idea, getting out of the car wasn’t smart, etc., but it was not against any law and was not any form of assault. The evidence is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, and that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. Self-defense is a valid defense against a charge of manslaughter just as much as against a charge of murder.
Based on the evidence presented in the court, the decision reached was fully expected.
Oh, for fuck’s sake. The only “evidence” that Martin attacked Zimmerman is the word of the guy who stalked Martin and murdered him.
Basically the lesson here is that if you can isolate a black kid and murder him with no witnesses, the average American jury will let you off.
263 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:18:14pm |
re: #260 Justanotherhuman
Jesus, racism and sexism are fucking exhausting. Think I’ll have a good, purging cry and go to bed now.
I’m too wound up now, but go to your rest and sweet slumbers.
264 | McSpiff Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:18:19pm |
Seriously, whats the standard for manslaughter now? Clear evidence that you were 100% unprovoked in shooting someone? 5 male witnesses?
265 | Political Atheist Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:19:10pm |
re: #264 McSpiff
This becomes a powerful argument for more cameras in public/common areas.
266 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:19:33pm |
re: #190 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion, who the hell knows what jury is or is not going to do? But using the evidence presented in trial, I can’t see how a jury could come to any other conclusion. Especially since this was a 2nd degree murder trial, even if the Jury was told they could consider lesser charges. The prosecution was incompetent, their star witness was an admitted liar (for understandable reasons, but you still have to take it into account).
It wasn’t just me. Most legal analysts agreed that Zimmerman was going to get off the charges.
267 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:19:45pm |
re: #264 McSpiff
Seriously, whats the standard for manslaughter now? Clear evidence that you were 100% unprovoked in shooting someone? 5 male witnesses?
He almost blew up my car so I had to shoot him.
268 | Interesting Times Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:19:51pm |
re: #264 McSpiff
Seriously, whats the standard for manslaughter now? Clear evidence that you were 100% unprovoked in shooting someone? 5 white male witnesses?
Fixed.
269 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:20:26pm |
re: #240 Varek Raith
I did not expect to see this kind of celebration.
Man…
Exactly the opposite of what they were predicting. An actual look in the mirror moment.
Horrible people.
270 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:20:50pm |
I see Travon was fond guilty.
I am really glad that I don’t have any children. Every now and then you get a reminder that this country hates black people, black men especially. Always has and always will.
271 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:21:10pm |
The week in review: a woman with tampons and a black kid with Skittles are both more dangerous than a white man with a gun.— eclecticbrotha (@eclecticbrotha) July 14, 2013
273 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:21:50pm |
re: #266 theye1
I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion, who the hell knows what jury is or is not going to do? But using the evidence presented in trial, I can’t see how a jury could come to any other conclusion. Especially since this was a 2nd degree murder trial, even if the Jury was told they could consider lesser charges. The prosecution was incompetent, their star witness was an admitted liar (for understandable reasons, but you still have to take it into account).
It wasn’t just me. Most legal analysts agreed that Zimmerman was going to get off the charges.
I’m not a legal analyst and had a feeling Zimmerman would beat the charges. Mainly because Zimmerman murdered a black kid in a southern state with no witnesses.
If you think this case would have turned out the same way if Martin was white, you’re insane.
274 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:22:25pm |
re: #253 McSpiff
What evidence was presented that Martin initiated the confrontation? Zimmerman’s word? I have no idea how you or that Jury could find that credible. I’m sure even with your thick skull you’d manage to not say “I shot the kid in cold blood”.
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
275 | RemainCalm Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:22:35pm |
Young black men: damned if they do carry firearms, and dead if they don’t.
276 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:23:01pm |
277 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:23:19pm |
Zimmerman was the aggressor. Martin isn’t around to state his own self defense case. Except, in Florida self-defense only works if you’re the one with the gun.
278 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:23:48pm |
Teh Twitterz rwnj’s are erupting in racist hate, murdering Trayvon all over again.
I want to throw up.
Time for Zimmerman to enter Witness Protection Program and pose as an illegal. He'll be golden. #tcot #teaparty #lnyhbt #war @TwitchyTeam— ABOwarrior (@ABOwarrior) July 14, 2013
Meet The Real Trayvon Martin: Evidence Emerges He Was A Drug Dealer And Gang Banger http://t.co/vaud8jUOWH #tcot #lnyhbt #tgdn #teaparty— Patrick Dollard (@PatDollard) July 14, 2013
'@EDinCali The #IRS is already chomping at the bit to get #Zimmerman, EVerify keeping him from getting a job, & a drone ready #tcot #lnyhbt— Fill the Chair (@FillTheChair) July 14, 2013
if AMERICA had a son, he would look like George Zimmerman #tcot #justice #freedom from fear #lnyhbt— Talesin (@talesin) July 14, 2013
280 | Sionainn Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:24:38pm |
I’ve got to get off the computer. I’m so depressed.
281 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:02pm |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
Teh Twitterz rwnj’s are erupting in racist hate, murdering Trayvon all over again.
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Holy Shlicking Flit.
282 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:10pm |
re: #266 theye1
I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion, who the hell knows what jury is or is not going to do? But using the evidence presented in trial, I can’t see how a jury could come to any other conclusion.
Okay, so do you think people, like me, who disagree with you are just stupid, or are we blind to the truth because we’re deluded by something, or we just are bloody-handed freaks who want vengeance, or ignorant of the law, or what?
I can promise you I”m not any of the former. I understand the facts of the case, and if I were on the jury, I would have voted for manslaughter. I know others that would have voted for murder 2, because, by their logic, bringing the gun into the situation showed a depraved disregard for life on the part of Zimmerman. I half agree, but think that Zimmerman’s stupidity saves him here, that he really thought gun was magic make-safe totem.
Anyway: In a case with this little direct evidence, flawed evidence collection, flawed interrogation, etc. etc., there is an uphill battle for the prosecution, to be sure. But they put plenty on the table to show that Zimmerman was lying about the severity of the attack, and that, to me, is sufficient to convict him. The only reason anyone thinks this could be self-defense is that Zimmerman says it was. Nobody saw who initiated physical contact.
So I understand, completely, someone who thinks that given the evidence, Zimmerman should get off. That still leaves the problem that in our justice system, that’s far more likely in the case of the murder of a black person than a white person. And it still mystified me why you can’t see, rationally, that obviously there was a case for the prosecution as well. It’s a little strident.
283 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:12pm |
re: #269 Stanley Sea
Exactly the opposite of what they were predicting. An actual look in the mirror moment.
Horrible people.
FIREWORKS? people are setting off fireworks in celebration?
284 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:21pm |
Attorney insults memory of Medgar Evers and Emmett Till by elevating Trayvon Martin to pantheon of civil rights martyrs.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) July 14, 2013
285 | Gus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:27pm |
286 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:34pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
Yeah, science has proved Skittles and iced tea can turn a black kid from a potential criminal wearing a hoodie into the Hulk wearing a hoodie.
“Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.” What the fuck…
287 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:35pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
More accurately, “hot-bloodedly stalking the teenage boy until such time as a confrontation occurred…coincidentally, no doubt”
288 | SpaceJesus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:25:43pm |
I’m probably the only person who hasn’t followed the case. Was there ever a manslaughter instruction given to the jury?
289 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:00pm |
re: #270 moderatelyradicalliberal
I see Travon was fond guilty.
I am really glad that I don’t have any children. Every now and then you get a reminder that this country hates black people, black men especially. Always has and always will.
Oh dude. I don’t think always. Or rather, I think we can shrink their hateful shit down and squeeze it into smaller and smaller places. But fuck, it’s slow going.
291 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:21pm |
re: #288 SpaceJesus
Yes, manslaughter was on the table.
292 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:24pm |
Kermit Gosnell has killed more black children than George Zimmerman did. How many of you leftists care? #Zimmermantrial— talkradio200 (@talkradio200) July 14, 2013
293 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:29pm |
re: #288 SpaceJesus
I’m probably the only person who hasn’t followed the case. Was there ever a manslaughter instruction given to the jury?
Yes, the jury asked questions about it, too.
294 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:41pm |
Good Lord..the worst possible thing. Fox has Geraldo reporting now live from Sanford.
Blaming the victim…deifying Zimmerman
295 | SpaceJesus Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:47pm |
re: #291 Internet Tough Guy
Ok, I’m pretty baffled by this verdict then.
296 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:26:54pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
No, he only claimed that. Based on the ME’s evidence, I do not believe he was punched or knocked down. He stood away from Martin and shot straight into him. And thanks to his cop buddies and his dad he got away with it.
297 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:27:10pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
Think calmly and rationally about the events that lead to Zimmerman supposedly being punched by a kid half his size.
298 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:27:15pm |
re: #292 Vicious Babushka
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I guess they need to live long enough to be killed by some crazy racist.
300 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:27:46pm |
I think George Zimmerman did the wrong thing by walking around with a gun, especially if he’s doing anything other than minding his own business. It’s too bad they couldn’t charge him with something more appropriate than 2nd Degree Murder. Even though they added the possibility of Manslaughter at the end, I think overcharging him hurt the prosecution’s case.
However, there’s so much hate and vitriol on both sides of this I really hesitate to stick my nose in it. I’m still sickened by the original statement from the New Black Panthers, which first focused attention to this:
See:
This was made during the period of time before Mr. Zimmerman was charged. Defending my identity as a Jew is one of my most important priorities. When I see the Jews blamed for something that they had nothing to do with, it’s hard for me to think about anything else. Granted this is a fringe, an extreme element. But their statements, tempered a bit, have been carried forward by larger segments of the population.
On the other side, I don’t want to make Mr. Zimmerman a hero. It’s simply stupid to carry a gun unless you absolutely need to (like you transport diamonds or gold for a living, or you’re a kidnap risk).
301 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:28:08pm |
re: #299 rosiee
Zimmerman’s eyes are too close together.
I’m more concerned about his distance from the nearest prison.
303 | sagehen Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:28:22pm |
re: #283 Stanley Sea
FIREWORKS? people are setting off fireworks in celebration?
um… I don’t where the original tweeter or her friend live, but here in Manhattan the opera in Central Park finished their free concert and the fireworks started at, totally coincidentally, the same time the verdict came in. I’m certain it’s unrelated.
304 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:28:28pm |
This is a racist white dude:
i dont get it. Black people accept it when we kill each other like everyday in Chicago, but when another race does it, we wanna riot.— Daniel Dudley (@DD_TribLive) July 14, 2013
305 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:28:49pm |
re: #300 ReamWorks SKG
Don’t let the New Black Panthers, who are like 15 people, jerk you around and make you respond to their dumb bullshit.
306 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:29:19pm |
307 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:29:46pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Cold blood? No sir, that is not what this was. That would have been Zimmerman walking up to Martin intending to shoot him, and no evidence of that was presented. Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
He got punched and knocked down after calling the kid a suspect, asshole and either punk or coon. It strains all credulity to believe he hadn’t prejudged Martin and harbored no hostile intent.
Concerned about Martin’s well being Zimmerman was not.
308 | Belafon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:29:49pm |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
Talesin is probably right. And I would disown him.
309 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:30:14pm |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
I’m going to end up repeating this again and again, which is my version of trying to not just go nuts:
The people supporting George Zimmerman are a dozen times worse than him, because in their world, the black kid is always the thug that always needs to be followed and suspected, and always needs to be shot when they resist.
310 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:30:15pm |
re: #273 Mattand
On the evidence presented, I would still argue not guilty.
re: #282 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Difference of opinion, mainly. I just don’t think the evidence presented proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, whether a brought a gun into it has no bearing on whether it was 2nd degree murder.
311 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:30:32pm |
re: #305 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Maybe so, but it’s been parroted by tens of thousands more. As I said, I think Zimmerman made a big mistake, but I can’t stick my nose in too far before I hit a nutjob.
312 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:30:36pm |
From the small fragment of testimony, evidence, and bench instruction that we see out here I probably would have had to go with reasonable doubt.
I’m also convinced that Zimmerman is morally guilty of that death.
To fix the injustice, fix the law. To fix the law, fix the legislators. To fix the legislators, fix the electorate. It’s going to be a long war.
313 | sagehen Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:31:05pm |
re: #297 Batman
Think calmly and rationally about the events that lead to Zimmerman supposedly being punched by a kid half his size.
Like how did he “just happen” to get within arm’s reach?
(and hey, did he at any time say to Trayvonn, “I’m neighborhood watch, I don’t know you, why are you here?”)
314 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:31:59pm |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
“enter Witness Protection Program and pose as an illegal”? Hell’s Bells, that “ABOwarrior” asshole isn’t just attacking Martin for having been black, he’s attacking Zimmerman for being Hispanic.
Well, I’ve got an answer for that:
315 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:32:19pm |
re: #312 Decatur Deb
I’m also convinced that Zimmerman is morally responsible for Martin’s death.
316 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:32:24pm |
re: #310 theye1
Difference of opinion, mainly. I just don’t think the evidence presented proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, whether a brought a gun into it has no bearing on whether it was 2nd degree murder.
Okay. Do you understand that I get that we have a ‘difference of opinon’, I’m asking you why you can’t even bring yourself to see the other point of view? Why it’s incomprehensible to you that someone would think that a man who followed a teenager for no good reason, a man who was armed, who knew he shouldn’t follow the kid but did it anyway because ‘they always get away’, a man who called the kid a ‘fucking punk’ after he shot and killed him, was not being honest when he claimed self defense?
317 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:32:37pm |
re: #309 The Ghost of a Flea
I’m going to end up repeating this again and again, which is my version of trying to not just go nuts:
The people supporting George Zimmerman are a dozen times worse than him, because in their world, the black kid is always the thug that always needs to be followed and suspected, and always needs to be shot when they resist.
That’s half the damn country you’re talking about. That may not make you go nuts, but it’s enough for some serious anger and deep sadness.
318 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:32:38pm |
I am disgusted that this asshole has “Jewish” in his Twitter name.
Biggest Losers from #ZimmermanTrial: Criminal Prowlers in hoodies in Sanford, Fla. #OpenSeason #teaparty #lnyhbt #tcot #tgdn— JewishOdysseus (@JewishOdysseus) July 14, 2013
319 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:33:36pm |
re: #318 Vicious Babushka
Odysseus was an asshole.
320 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:33:47pm |
Okay, I have an idea on what I must do.
I want to create a (secret) society that takes its cues from Abe Lincoln, TR, and FDR.
With decoder rings and secret messages (not lame ones like “DRINK YOUR OVALTINE”).
Abe doesn’t count, party-wise: he came from a turbulent time in politics.
TR was a progressive Republican — and would be laughed out of the House today.
FDR was a fairly conservative Democrat, until he had to take huge steps to stave off the Great Depression.
All three saved our country, in one way or another.
What do the Lizardim think?
321 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:33:51pm |
re: #318 Vicious Babushka
I am disgusted that this asshole has “Jewish” in his Twitter name.
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I’m still wishing for people to get sick cancer and I don’t feel a lick of guilt about it.
322 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:34:03pm |
re: #321 moderatelyradicalliberal
I’m still wishing for people to get sick cancer and I don’t feel a lick of guilt about it.
I mean dick cancer.
323 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:34:10pm |
re: #278 Vicious Babushka
Teh Twitterz rwnj’s are erupting in racist hate, murdering Trayvon all over again.
I want to throw up.
What. The. Fuck?!?
324 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:34:38pm |
325 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:35:00pm |
326 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:35:01pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Zimmerman fired after getting punched and knocked down.
Which only happened at all because he ignored the dispatcher and got out of his car.
It is now perfectly legal in Florida to stalk, harass, assault, and shoot an unarmed person. Just make sure there are no witnesses and that your intended victim is black.
327 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:35:49pm |
PUKE
George Zimmerman not guilty: Thank Gd! This poor shlub will not be sacrificed to the racists, demagogues and t… http://t.co/XZRLCyBvYn— Pamela Geller (@Atlasshrugs) July 14, 2013
328 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:36:14pm |
re: #326 Lidane
Martin was in possession of a deadly sidewalk.
329 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:36:36pm |
re: #297 Batman
Think calmly and rationally about the events that lead to Zimmerman supposedly being punched by a kid half his size.
Half his size? I don’t think that’s accurate. Martin was 17 and he was not small. Many of the photos of him that have been used are from when he was 12 or 13, and don’t reflect his size at the time of his death.
330 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:36:44pm |
re: #326 Lidane
Which only happened at all because he ignored the dispatcher and got out of his car.
It is now perfectly legal in Florida to stalk, harass, assault, and shoot an unarmed person. Just make sure there are no witnesses and that your intended victim is black.
…and that the cops fuck up evidence gathering. Coincidentally, I’m sure.
331 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:36:49pm |
re: #326 Lidane
Which only happened at all because he ignored the dispatcher and got out of his car.
It is now perfectly legal in Florida to stalk, harass, assault, and shoot an unarmed person. Just make sure there are no witnesses and that your intended victim is black.
Don’t get tangled up in the timing. It was legal years ago—this just proves it.
332 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:38:24pm |
CNN reports that the US Dept of Justice says it is evaluating the state trial and examining the evidence. #zimmerman— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) July 14, 2013
What good is that going to do?
333 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:38:30pm |
re: #326 Lidane
Which only happened at all because he ignored the dispatcher and got out of his car.
It is now perfectly legal in Florida to stalk, harass, assault, and shoot an unarmed person. Just make sure there are no witnesses and that your intended victim is black.
This. The fact that people who saying that justice was done are either ignoring how still fucked up America is racially, or just don’t care.
335 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:02pm |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
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What good is that going to do?
They can bring a Civil Rights case, like for Cheny, Schwerner, and Goodman.
336 | Ming Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:07pm |
re: #252 Lidane
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Regardless of what the law says, one thing is true: If George Zimmerman had just stayed in his car, Trayvon Martin would be alive.
Yes, absolutely. And that’s pretty much what the 911 operator told him, more than once, on tape.
337 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:13pm |
re: #333 Mattand
This. The fact that people who saying that justice was done are either ignoring how still fucked up America is racially, or just don’t care.
Those people are the reason this country is fucked up racially. And apparently they have managed to get laws passed all over the country that make shooting the people that they hate and fear legal.
338 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:43pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Half his size? I don’t think that’s accurate. Martin was 17 and he was not small. Many of the photos of him that have been used are from when he was 12 or 13, and don’t reflect his size at the time of his death.
Cool beans. Now how about the part where you argument is wrong? That Zimmerman was clearly and incontrovertibly the aggressor? That he did everything wrong and created a situation where he felt the need to use a gun?
339 | twisty Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:53pm |
There’s a lot of people here getting in their cars, a really unusual amount of traffic for this time of night. This is South Carolina and I’m getting some seriously bad vibes. Praying for safety for black Americans tonight especially.
340 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:40:58pm |
re: #310 theye1
On the evidence presented, I would still argue not guilty.
Difference of opinion, mainly. I just don’t think the evidence presented proved anything beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, whether a brought a gun into it has no bearing on whether it was 2nd degree murder.
OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
Rationalist, are you? Excising all emotion to look at the facts? A scientist?
Also (and this is my personal curiosity), do you suffer from any cognitive issues? Aspergers, autism, Homling-Kreuznasser Syndrome, or the “Vibe”?
341 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:41:16pm |
re: #335 Decatur Deb
They can bring a Civil Rights case, like for Cheny, Schwerner, and Goodman.
The DoJ can?
342 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:41:32pm |
re: #332 NJDhockeyfan
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What good is that going to do?
Yeah, dammit, Martin was convicted of attacking Zimmerman fairly in a court of law. Why can’t they leave poor George alone?
343 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:41:58pm |
Driving While Black
Walking While Black
Breathing While Black
Can all get you killed.
344 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:42:01pm |
re: #333 Mattand
This. The fact that people who saying that justice was done are either ignoring how still fucked up America is racially, or just don’t care.
I’ll take door number two.
Whether or not Zimmerman himself is racist…and I suspect he is, given what his dad and friends have said…the reaction to this trial has been all about vindicating the guy with more privilege and casting doubt on the dead, subaltern kid.
345 | palomino Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:42:14pm |
Good, now George Zimmerman can get back to doing what he does best: erroneously profiling unarmed teens and then pursuing them at night for no reason. Amateur wannabe cops, just what we need more of.
346 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:42:21pm |
347 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:42:59pm |
re: #318 Vicious Babushka
I am disgusted that this asshole has “Jewish” in his Twitter name.
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And that right there is something that angers me: Gloating assholes.
It’s one thing to believe that based on the evidence presented Zimmerman should be found Not Guilty. It is quite another to consider what happened good in any way. Trayvon Martin had not committed a crime when Zimmerman caught sight of him and he did not deserve to die.
348 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:43:01pm |
Bryan calling Al Sharpton a “race-mongerer” (whatever that is)
Bryan u r just as shitty a racist as Al Sharpton—I saw the Steve Deace video u turd.
Race-mongerer Al Sharpton: ‘This is an atrocity…a slap in the face to those that believe in justice’ http://t.co/jLtViWnwQS— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) July 14, 2013
349 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:43:45pm |
No rioting.
But a lot of white people celebrating.
Says a lot.
350 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:44:03pm |
re: #318 Vicious Babushka
O/T, but I knew you didn’t roll on shabbos, and was waiting and hoping you’d look at my Wonder Woman page when you were back rolling.
Your dedicated goy grandchild,
C.
351 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:44:14pm |
One of several hate mails so far tonight:
Eat shit, Psycho Charles of Culver City….the verdict is NOT guilty.
Accept the verdict, Chuckie.
All of your faggot ass assumptions about what really happened turned out to be WRONG.
Eat shit…not that you don’t already, when you give rim jobs.
352 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:07pm |
re: #340 chadu
Hey now, don’t use Aspergers and autism to mock people with. It’s shitty.
354 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:28pm |
355 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:35pm |
re: #346 Decatur Deb
Yup. That’s the agency IIRC.
I know the Martin family can but I didn’t know the Feds could also do it.
356 | AlexRogan Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:38pm |
357 | Varek Raith Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:42pm |
re: #351 Charles Johnson
That’s… uh… quite the imagination…?
Yeesh.
358 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:45:42pm |
re: #351 Charles Johnson
I do not understand this kind of hate, I simply do not.
359 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:46:40pm |
re: #355 NJDhockeyfan
I know the Martin family can but I didn’t know the Feds could also do it.
It’s not a civil suit. They are looking for criminal violations of the Civil Rights Act.
360 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:50:03pm |
re: #325 Mattand
If you’re going to accuse me of being a racist, than accuse me of it.
re: #316 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I understand that point of view, normally I would support it as well. However, with the evidence presented I just can’t.
re: #340 chadu
So instead of debating with the evidence presented, you proceed with personal attacks.
361 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:50:19pm |
To anyone who thinks the death of Trayvon Martin was anything other than a Bad Thing: I hope you can still read Weird Nut Daily in Hell.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) July 14, 2013
362 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:50:20pm |
re: #349 Varek Raith
No rioting.
But a lot of white people celebrating.
Says a lot.
The people celebrating view this as a successful lynching.
Yeah, I said it. Won’t be taking it back, either.
363 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:50:29pm |
re: #350 chadu
O/T, but I knew you didn’t roll on shabbos, and was waiting and hoping you’d look at my Wonder Woman page when you were back rolling.
Your dedicated goy grandchild,
C.
I’ll look at it tomorrow, I’m too pissed off right now. :(
364 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:50:54pm |
George Zimmerman's lawyer just filed the first-ever class action restraining order against the millions of people who don't like his client.— J M Sute (@71LesPaul) July 14, 2013
365 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:51:00pm |
This from my 63 year old black father when I said the justice system failed Travon and his family: “You can’t ever really be failed by a system that was never designed to protect you in the first place”.
366 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:51:54pm |
Remember: in Sanford, Florida, a police chief resigned and several Detectives are now street cops. That's not coincidence. #Justice4Trayvon— Dave (@observation_dek) July 14, 2013
367 | BigPapa Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:52:03pm |
I can’t believe they didn’t find him guilty of at least manslaughter, because he was the cause of Martin’s death.
No justice in Florida tonight.
368 | Vicious Babushka Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:09pm |
Mason is right, but just not in the way he thinks.
Anyone wanting to see where the actual racism in America lies has only to be on Twitter tonight. #tcot #tgdn #lnyhbt— Mason Clark (@DMason1944) July 14, 2013
369 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:12pm |
re: #360 theye1
I understand that point of view, normally I would support it as well. However, with the evidence presented I just can’t.
Why do you keep repeating this. I know this. I understand this. What I’m asking is why you lack the capacity to understand that other people are being reasonable when they say they would have voted for manslaughter?
370 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:33pm |
Hey Texas, in Florida it's legal to abort other people's kids up to 17 years.— Jennifer L. (@TheFearBoners) July 14, 2013
371 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:47pm |
re: #360 theye1
If you’re going to accuse me of being a racist, than accuse me of it.
It’s more like being blinded by white privilege than outright racism, to be honest.
Now this is the point where you get indignant about me assuming you’re white.
372 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:49pm |
re: #368 Vicious Babushka
Yup.
Seriously???? RT @markostrander29: n*****. n*****. n*****. n*****. n*****. n*****. Racist. n*****. n*****. n*****. n*****. Racist. n*****.
— Van Jones (@VanJones68) July 14, 2013
373 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:51pm |
re: #340 chadu
It is neither inappropriate nor offensive to examine a criminal case dispassionately. To attribute such a decision to do so to a mental condition is inappropriate, however.
374 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:53:53pm |
re: #351 Charles Johnson
Part of this country has turned from being stupid and uninformed into outright evil.
375 | Lancelot Link Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:54:52pm |
re: #339 twisty
Praying for safety for black Americans tonight especially.
Tonight I predict a black man protesting the verdict will either be shot (as Bob Owens promised) or be arrested for it and serve more time than Zimmerman did.
Please God let me be wrong.
377 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:55:48pm |
re: #374 chadu
Part of this country has turned from being stupid and uninformed into outright evil.
Turned? No, they just got more comfortable. If you can kill and unarmed black kid and get away with it, you can be racist on twitter.
378 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:56:03pm |
The only thing I'm hearing on Miami PD scanner is a call about a white male follow 2 black females in a pickup truck on 2nd avenue #riots— spaceagenegro (@spaceagenegro) July 14, 2013
379 | Shvaughn Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:56:24pm |
I’m changing my icon to black in solidarity with Trayvon’s supporters and my black friends on the net.
380 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:57:04pm |
This “thank god I'm not in America' rhetoric is baffling…Right…because the black youth of Paris and London are in a post-racial heaven.— Idilay Bilan (@IdiAuslander) July 14, 2013
382 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:58:24pm |
re: #352 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
Hey now, don’t use Aspergers and autism to mock people with. It’s shitty.
I wasn’t using it to mock, intentionally. I know many of the Lizardim here suffer on the spectrum. Heck, I’m on the edge of the spectrum myself.
My point was: divorcing emotion from facts is… odd. An odd thing.
If I have offended any Lizardim or their relations, I apologize.
Let me know how I can make amends for my verbal/written mistake.
383 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:58:27pm |
384 | Major Tom Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:58:45pm |
The real lesson: Next time just remember to scrape a little skin under the corpse’s finger nails and it never makes it to trial.
385 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:59:14pm |
I don’t get people decrying the racism of the right while saying the verdict was just. The self-defense argument is built on pure racism — that a black teenager should know to submit to any white adult that accosts them. Trayvon Martin should have just known that his blackness would intimidate Zimmerman and give him legal justification to shoot him.
I reiterate what I said when this was first in the news: if I was the teenager Zimmerman accosted, he would have been lucky if the worst that happened to him was he kissed pavement.
386 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 8:59:28pm |
When people talk about “the evidence,” they’re ignoring the recording of Zimmerman calling Martin a suspect, asshole and either punk or coon. That’s evidence that goes to context and Zimmerman’s frame of mind, and it’s an absolutely rock solid, undisputed fact that he said those things prior to ever meeting or talking to Martin face to face.
How credulous do you have to be to believe he’s not the one who caused shit to go sour?
387 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:00:42pm |
re: #386 goddamnedfrank
When people talk about “the evidence,” they’re ignoring the recording of Zimmerman calling Martin a suspect, asshole and either punk or coon. That’s evidence that goes to context and Zimmerman’s frame of mind, and it’s an absolutely rock solid, undisputed fact that he said those things prior to ever meeting or talking to Martin face to face.
How credulous do you have to be to believe he’s not the one who caused shit to go sour?
That’s how white privilege works I guess.
388 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:01:22pm |
re: #385 Batman
I don’t get people decrying the racism of the right while saying the verdict was just. The self-defense argument is built on pure racism — that a black teenager should know to submit to any white adult that accosts them. Trayvon Martin should have just known that his blackness would intimidate Zimmerman and give him legal justification to shoot him.
I reiterate what I said when this was first in the news: if I was the teenager Zimmerman accosted, he would have been lucky if the worst that happened to him was he kissed pavement.
And he would’ve shot you and been acquitted. Unless you’re white.
389 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:01:47pm |
re: #360 theye1
If you’re going to accuse me of being a racist, than accuse me of it. [someone else] So instead of debating with the evidence presented, you proceed with personal attacks.
Fine.
You’re a racist.
Boom. Done.
(Personal attack and accusation in one go! DOUBLE POINTS!)
390 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:02:15pm |
re: #382 chadu
I think you’re fine, I know that you don’t really consider it a negative thing, but it still gave that impression.
Say three hail Hitchens and four Our Dennetts.
391 | CMReaK Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:03:09pm |
re: #26 spiderx
If Martin had been White Zimmerman would never have even noticed him, he wouldn’t have called 911, and he wouldn’t have gotten out of his car.
392 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:03:23pm |
re: #363 Vicious Babushka
I’ll look at it tomorrow, I’m too pissed off right now. :(
I dig, in same mode myself.
393 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:03:33pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Half his size? I don’t think that’s accurate. Martin was 17 and he was not small. Many of the photos of him that have been used are from when he was 12 or 13, and don’t reflect his size at the time of his death.
5’11” & 158 lbs. He wasn’t very big DF.
394 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:04:41pm |
re: #393 William Barnett-Lewis
5’11” & 158 lbs. He wasn’t very big DF.
He’ll focus on anything else he can to avoid admitting it was Zimmerman who fucked up and it wasn’t self-defense.
395 | Tigger2 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:05:12pm |
re: #372 jaunte
Yup.
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That Mark person is the type of person that makes me be embarrassed to be white sometimes.
396 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:05:49pm |
Mark O'Mara: people who are upset by the Zimmerman verdict are “just gonna have their anger because they're angry people.”
— Joy Reid (@TheReidReport) July 14, 2013
397 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:06:40pm |
Alright. I’m going to bed. A friend of mine who clerks for a federal judge emailed me, and said the most likely point of entry for the DOJ was the defense releasing stuff before the trial, affecting the jury pool. But it’s not that hopeful.
398 | BigPapa Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:07:05pm |
I won’t go on Twitter now, I’m sure it will make my blood boil.
399 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:07:13pm |
re: #389 chadu
Fine.
You’re a racist.
Boom. Done.
(Personal attack and accusation in one go! DOUBLE POINTS!)
LOL.
Like I said earlier, ol’ theEye1 sounds like he’s got his white privilege on. To pretend that the case would have gone the same way if Martin were Caucasian is to willfully ignore how the US courts are skewed in favor of whites.
Case in point: if Martin were white, they would have left his body to rot in the morgue for 3 days. They’d have had his ID discovered in a New York minute.
400 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:07:51pm |
re: #385 Batman
I don’t get people decrying the racism of the right while saying the verdict was just. The self-defense argument is built on pure racism — that a black teenager should know to submit to any white adult that accosts them. Trayvon Martin should have just known that his blackness would intimidate Zimmerman and give him legal justification to shoot him.
I reiterate what I said when this was first in the news: if I was the teenager Zimmerman accosted, he would have been lucky if the worst that happened to him was he kissed pavement.
Frankly, I would have run away.
401 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:08:24pm |
402 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:08:37pm |
re: #390 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
I think you’re fine, I know that you don’t really consider it a negative thing, but it still gave that impression.
Say three hail Hitchens and four Our Dennetts.
How about two OMG Orwells and three Besters, with a Bradbury or Asimov thrown in there?
/haggling my soul
;)
403 | rosiee Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:08:50pm |
I know USA isn’t perfect, but you all have to take this in context, I don’t think there is another country in the world where a poor black youth can have so much potential in their lives. It’s the closest thing to a meritocracy in the world. Don’t beat yourselves up too hard. On the edge of every Jerusalem there is a Golgotha.
404 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:08:54pm |
re: #396 jaunte
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Yeah it can’t be that we’re upset that a family isn’t getting any justice for losing their loved one and you trashing him in a court. Goddamnit. I accept the verdict but I’m sincerely inclined to believe that had the races of the defendant and victim been reversed, there would have been some kind of conviction. I can’t prove that but it’s how I feel.
405 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:09:06pm |
I hope the six jurors pretend they’re still in sequestration for the next several weeks. Internet, TV, talking to friends…all of that isn’t going to be very pleasant for them I fear.
406 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:09:10pm |
re: #393 William Barnett-Lewis
5’11” & 158 lbs. He wasn’t very big DF.
No, but he wasn’t notably smaller than Zimmerman, which is all I was saying.
407 | BigPapa Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:09:26pm |
re: #400 Dark_Falcon
Frankly, I would have run away.
Trayvon Martin stood his ground. And was legally killed for it. He did absolutely nothing wrong, except for be black and in the wrong place at the wrong time.
408 | Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:09:37pm |
Pretty sure I’m supposed to take the reference to “Culver City” as a veiled threat.
409 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:09:57pm |
re: #398 BigPapa
I won’t go on Twitter now, I’m sure it will make my blood boil.
I killed my twitter feed an hour or so ago. Watching the Giants game and having a cocktail.
410 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:10:01pm |
re: #406 Dark_Falcon
No, but he wasn’t notably smaller than Zimmerman, which is all I was saying.
If at least 250 isn’t in Zimmerman’s review mirror, I’d eat my shoe.
411 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:10:31pm |
412 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:10:46pm |
413 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:10:54pm |
re: #408 Charles Johnson
Pretty sure I’m supposed to take the reference to “Culver City” as a veiled threat.
The Stalkers say it all the time. I think they believe they are mocking you.
414 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11:10pm |
re: #410 Batman
If at least 250 isn’t in Zimmerman’s review mirror, I’d eat my shoe.
Looked considerably bigger than 158 in the photos after the incident.
415 | Tigger2 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11:27pm |
re: #406 Dark_Falcon
No, but he wasn’t notably smaller than Zimmerman, which is all I was saying.
If he would have stayed in his truck ( like the police wanted) it wouldn’t have mattered how big either one of them were.
416 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11:30pm |
Press Statement from the Southern Poverty Law Center in Response to Verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
splcenter.org
417 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11:33pm |
re: #410 Batman
If at least 250 isn’t in Zimmerman’s review mirror, I’d eat my shoe.
It is now, but he weighed less then.
418 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:11:52pm |
re: #403 rosiee
I know USA isn’t perfect, but you all have to take this in context, I don’t think there is another country in the world where a poor black youth can have so much potential in their lives. It’s the closest thing to a meritocracy in the world. Don’t beat yourselves up too hard. On the edge of every Jerusalem there is a Golgotha.
If they survive.
419 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:12:11pm |
re: #403 rosiee
I know USA isn’t perfect, but you all have to take this in context, I don’t think there is another country in the world where a poor black youth can have so much potential in their lives. It’s the closest thing to a meritocracy in the world. Don’t beat yourselves up too hard. On the edge of every Jerusalem there is a Golgotha.
Context?
A black kid goes out to a convenience store for a snack and gets gunned down by a racist nitwit, and said racist nitwit gets off scott free?
And you want us to wave the flag and say the Pledge of Allegience because America is a racism-free Xanadu?
How’s that for fucking context?
420 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:12:22pm |
re: #414 HappyWarrior
Looked considerably bigger than 158 in the photos after the incident.
The fake ones the wingnuts like or the real ones they dislike?
421 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:13:01pm |
re: #420 William Barnett-Lewis
The fake ones the wingnuts like or the real ones they dislike?
I’m talking about Zim. I think Zimmerman was an easy 200 at the time of the attack.
422 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:13:38pm |
re: #403 rosiee
I know USA isn’t perfect, but you all have to take this in context, I don’t think there is another country in the world where a poor black youth can have so much potential in their lives. It’s the closest thing to a meritocracy in the world. Don’t beat yourselves up too hard. On the edge of every Jerusalem there is a Golgotha.
Take the rose glasses off.
Living while black is a capital crime in Florida.
423 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:13:59pm |
re: #399 Mattand
LOL.
Tired of race-baiters daring people to call them racists.
Done now.
And I appreciate the LOLs!
424 | PT Barnum Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:14:30pm |
Does Trayvon Martin’s family have even the opportunity to sue Zimmerman for wrongful death? Lower burden of proof and they could absolutely make his life hell.
At the very least there needs to be a campaign to boycott Florida until they change the law. We were planning on visiting Orlando and Disney World, but I just told Mrs. Barnum, that Disney Land is the only option at this point if we’re going to go to a Disney property.
425 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:14:47pm |
The coat hanger guy wants dignity. With that, I'm going to bed. http://t.co/njeq1pBAW2— David Pleasant (@dpleasant) July 14, 2013
426 | 122 Year Old Obama Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:16:01pm |
The worst part is the people celebrating this. Who the fuck does that?
427 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:16:15pm |
428 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:16:54pm |
re: #396 jaunte
I’m not angry so much as I’m disgusted and depressed.
429 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:00pm |
re: #403 rosiee
I know USA isn’t perfect, but you all have to take this in context, I don’t think there is another country in the world where a poor black youth can have so much potential in their lives. It’s the closest thing to a meritocracy in the world. Don’t beat yourselves up too hard. On the edge of every Jerusalem there is a Golgotha.
No.
This is not a cost/benefit equation.
430 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:08pm |
re: #424 PT Barnum
Does Trayvon Martin’s family have even the opportunity to sue Zimmerman for wrongful death? Lower burden of proof and they could absolutely make his life hell.
At the very least there needs to be a campaign to boycott Florida until they change the law. We were planning on visiting Orlando and Disney World, but I just told Mrs. Barnum, that Disney Land is the only option at this point if we’re going to go to a Disney property.
I don’t know about Florida. Knew that the Goldmans did that in the Simpson case but that was of course a California case so obviously Florida’s laws will differ. I feel for his family. It’s one thing that they had to see their loved one dragged through the mud for doing what many kids do at that age (smoke pot) and made out by various people in the media to be a thug for as inane reasons as wearing a hoody and now they see the guy who they know killed their son acquitted and worse people joyful about it.
431 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:16pm |
re: #421 HappyWarrior
I’m talking about Zim. I think Zimmerman was an easy 200 at the time of the attack.
187. 230 at the trial.
432 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:21pm |
re: #426 122 Year Old Obama
The worst part is the people celebrating this. Who the fuck does that?
The half of this country that are unreconstructed racists.
433 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:27pm |
re: #424 PT Barnum
Does Trayvon Martin’s family have even the opportunity to sue Zimmerman for wrongful death? Lower burden of proof and they could absolutely make his life hell.
At the very least there needs to be a campaign to boycott Florida until they change the law. We were planning on visiting Orlando and Disney World, but I just told Mrs. Barnum, that Disney Land is the only option at this point if we’re going to go to a Disney property.
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
No, not really. If Trayvon Martin’s family were to go through with a lawsuit, Zimmerman could now claim that Martin was committing a forcible felony by attacking him. And in Florida, if that defense holds up the law provides tht the plaintiff has to pay not only the defendant’s legal fees but also any other costs the defendant incurred in fighting the suit.
I also got two downdings for this post that I don’t really understand. All I was doing was explaining the law as best as I understood it in reply to a question.
434 | BigPapa Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:17:45pm |
re: #409 darthstar
I killed my twitter feed an hour or so ago. Watching the Giants game and having a cocktail.
Yeah I’m going to go ice skating with a bunch of 10 year olds and finish the night off at Morimoto with a fancy cocktail. And try to forget for a few hours.
435 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:18:47pm |
re: #426 122 Year Old Obama
The worst part is the people celebrating this. Who the fuck does that?
That’s what disgusts me the most too. People are actually gleeful that he’s getting off with zero punishment. He killed a human being. An unarmed human being. And people think it’s justice that he got off? Agh.
436 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:19:03pm |
re: #428 darthstar
I’m not angry so much as I’m disgusted and depressed.
THIS. SO MUCH.
I’m not angry. I’m heartbroken. A young man’s life was snuffed out by a vigilante and his death was invalidated by a jury. It’s tragic.
437 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:19:17pm |
re: #433 Dark_Falcon
I also got two downdings for this post that I don’t really understand. All i was doing was explaining the law as best as I understood it in reply to a question.
Do you know this about FL law or are you just speculating?
source?
438 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:19:19pm |
439 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:19:32pm |
re: #429 The Ghost of a Flea
No.
This is not a cost/benefit equation.
Okay, went back to Twitter to post this:
America, where a young black kid can grow up to be president if he doesn't get killed trying to bring Skittles to his little brother.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 14, 2013
441 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:20:55pm |
So Robert Zimmerman Jr. on @piersmorgan said George is worried people will take law into own hands. U mean like he did? #ironic— B-DAY JULY 29TH (@JuneTheJenius) July 14, 2013
442 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:21:03pm |
re: #436 Lidane
THIS. SO MUCH.
I’m not angry. I’m heartbroken. A young man’s life was snuffed out by a vigilante and his death was invalidated by a jury. It’s tragic.
Also about what it says for our future…Make sure: No witness, victim dead, claim self defense…get away with murder.
443 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:21:23pm |
re: #437 blueraven
Do you know this about FL law or are you just speculating?
source?
This is the relevant statute:
776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195.
776.085 Defense to civil action for damages; party convicted of forcible or attempted forcible felony.—
(1) It shall be a defense to any action for damages for personal injury or wrongful death, or for injury to property, that such action arose from injury sustained by a participant during the commission or attempted commission of a forcible felony. The defense authorized by this section shall be established by evidence that the participant has been convicted of such forcible felony or attempted forcible felony, or by proof of the commission of such crime or attempted crime by a preponderance of the evidence.
(2) For the purposes of this section, the term “forcible felony” shall have the same meaning as in s. 776.08.
(3) Any civil action in which the defense recognized by this section is raised shall be stayed by the court on the motion of the civil defendant during the pendency of any criminal action which forms the basis for the defense, unless the court finds that a conviction in the criminal action would not form a valid defense under this section.
(4) In any civil action where a party prevails based on the defense created by this section:
(a) The losing party, if convicted of and incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime, shall, as determined by the court, lose any privileges provided by the correctional facility, including, but not limited to:
1. Canteen purchases;
2. Telephone access;
3. Outdoor exercise;
4. Use of the library; and
5. Visitation.
(b) The court shall award a reasonable attorney’s fee to be paid to the prevailing party in equal amounts by the losing party and the losing party’s attorney; however, the losing party’s attorney is not personally responsible if he or she has acted in good faith, based on the representations of his or her client. If the losing party is incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime and has insufficient assets to cover payment of the costs of the action and the award of fees pursuant to this paragraph, the party shall, as determined by the court, be required to pay by deduction from any payments the prisoner receives while incarcerated.
(c) If the losing party is incarcerated for the crime or attempted crime, the court shall issue a written order containing its findings and ruling pursuant to paragraphs (a) and (b) and shall direct that a certified copy be forwarded to the appropriate correctional institution or facility.
444 | twisty Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:21:48pm |
re: #440 rosiee
I can only imagine what’s going on on /pol/ right now
445 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:22:29pm |
re: #441 Lidane
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Yeah he should talk to his son or brother about that. He knows a lot about that. I don’t want or wish Zimmerman dead but damn it if doesn’t bother me that he gets off with no punishment for ending a life and there are people in prison for possessing marijuana.
446 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:22:45pm |
re: #435 HappyWarrior
That’s what disgusts me the most too. People are actually gleeful that he’s getting off with zero punishment. He killed a human being. An unarmed human being. And people think it’s justice that he got off? Agh.
Fucking pathetic.
(Jeez, I’m swearing a lot tonight. Sorry.)
Zimmerman should have gotten manslaughter. Given that it’s FL, I’d expect a weak sentence.
But acquitted?
FUCKING PATHETIC.
447 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:23:57pm |
re: #446 chadu
Fucking pathetic.
(Jeez, I’m swearing a lot tonight. Sorry.)
Zimmerman should have gotten manslaughter. Given that it’s FL, I’d expect a weak sentence.
But acquitted?
FUCKING PATHETIC.
Don’t be. I had to come home from a baseball game to hear my grandmother almost joyful about the verdict. I love her but her prejudice sickens me.
448 | Batman Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:23:57pm |
Anyone remember this? cbsnews.com
I wonder what the difference between these two cases is.
449 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:24:13pm |
re: #440 rosiee
4chan /pol/
Right, because nothing says “rational clarity” like 4chan.
Jesus, dude, are you high or something? I’m beginning to see why your karma count is -99.
450 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:25:01pm |
re: #439 darthstar
Okay, went back to Twitter to post this:
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Meet new post racial America. Same as old racial America.
451 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:25:05pm |
re: #435 HappyWarrior
That’s what disgusts me the most too. People are actually gleeful that he’s getting off with zero punishment. He killed a human being. An unarmed human being. And people think it’s justice that he got off? Agh.
The RW was successful in dehumanizing Trayvon.
453 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:26:01pm |
re: #451 Stanley Sea
The RW was successful in dehumanizing Trayvon.
When is dehumanizing young black men, not successful?
454 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:26:53pm |
Anyone celebrating the verdict should skip church tomorrow morning.— J M Sute (@71LesPaul) July 14, 2013
455 | abolitionist Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:27:58pm |
re: #448 Batman
Anyone remember this? cbsnews.com
I wonder what the difference between these two cases is.
Gender? No, that’s not it.
456 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:28:12pm |
457 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:28:27pm |
re: #451 Stanley Sea
The RW was successful in dehumanizing Trayvon.
That’s the most tragic part of the case if you ask me. A kid who got in trouble in school a few times was made out to be a thug who needed killing. No, Treyvon Martin wasn’t a saint but he was still someone’s son. He was still a kid with dreams and who cared enough for his younger brother to get him skittles at the convenience store. Honestly, I was amazed that the judge allowed Martin’s past incidents with marijuana to be admissible but Zimmerman’s actual past of violence which included an arrest was not.
458 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:28:49pm |
459 | Flavia Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:28:49pm |
re: #379 Shvaughn
I’m changing my icon to black in solidarity with Trayvon’s supporters and my black friends on the net.
I did something similar. I am too upset to talk about this much. Can’t be too coherent.
460 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:29:34pm |
461 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:30:17pm |
Every case is different, but remember this one? Black man convicted of shooting a white teen who was threatening him: http://t.co/DvW08x6WQb
— Josh Greenman (@joshgreenman) July 14, 2013
462 | Shvaughn Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:30:58pm |
The following statement was issued by Richard Cohen, President and CEO of the Southern Poverty Law Center, following the verdict in State of Florida v. George Zimmerman:
“‘They always get away.’ These were the words George Zimmerman uttered as he followed and later shot Trayvon Martin — words that reflected his belief that Trayvon was one of “them,” the kind of person about to get away with something. How ironic these words sound now in light of the jury verdict acquitting Zimmerman.
Trayvon is dead, and Zimmerman is free.
Can we respect the jury verdict and still conclude that Zimmerman got away with killing Trayvon? I think so, even if we buy Zimmerman’s story that Trayvon attacked him at some point. After all, who was responsible for initiating the tragic chain of events? Who was following whom? Who was carrying a gun? Who ignored the police urging that he stay in his car? Who thought that the other was one of ‘them,’ someone about to get a away with something?
The jury has spoken, and we can respect its conclusion that the state did not prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. But we cannot fail to speak out about the tragedy that occurred in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Was race at the heart of it?
Ask yourself this question: If Zimmerman had seen a white youth walking in the rain that evening, would he have seen him as one of ‘them,’ someone about to get away with something?
We’ll never really know.Racial bias reverberates in our society like the primordial Big Bang. Some years ago, Rev. Jesse Jackson made the point in a dramatic way when he acknowledged that he feels a sense of relief when the footsteps he hears behind him in the dead of night turn out to belong to white feet. Social scientists who study our hidden biases make the same point in a more sober way with statistics that demonstrate that we are more likely to associate black people with negative words and imagery than we are white people. It’s an association that devalues the humanity of black people — particularly black youth like Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman probably saw race the night of February 26, 2012, like too many others would have. Had he not, Trayvon probably would be alive today.
The jury has spoken. Now, we must speak out against the systemic racism that still infects our society and distorts our perception of the world. And we must do something about it.”
463 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:31:17pm |
re: #447 HappyWarrior
Fortunately, I have no love for my dad, so when he did the same, he fit into a pre-conceived notion of how I thought he would act.
464 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:31:39pm |
465 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:32:48pm |
re: #463 ProTARDISLiberal
Fortunately, I have no love for my dad, so when he did the same, he fit into a pre-conceived notion of how I thought he would act.
It’s tough knowing that someone who shaped your mindset is a bigot. As I said, love her to death and she has helped me and my family out a lot but her intolerance is just something that becomes harder to overcome as I get older.
466 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:33:15pm |
Twitter is getting to sound like /pol/
Jew gets away with murder of black guy. Could this be a signal of emerging racism in judicial system? http://t.co/Y5IhkRLxf5 via @YahooNews— Haroon M. K. Tareen (@HaroonTareen) July 14, 2013
or
Zimmerman is an Mexican jew. Nothing is right about that nigga.— Got Damn Tyrone. (@WizLp) July 14, 2013
or
@Oprah This world saddens me. They say Zimmerman is white..they are throwing the race card out there. He is a Hispanic Jew…I don't get it!— Amie (@RodgersAmie) July 14, 2013
467 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:33:27pm |
re: #464 moderatelyradicalliberal
The system is not designed to protect black people period.
Don’t understand why the NRA isn’t advertising all over BET. Well, maybe I do…
469 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:34:11pm |
re: #466 ReamWorks SKG
Twitter is getting to sound like /pol/
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Stupidity will be the death of us all. I wish I could be an ex-pat sometimes.
470 | rosiee Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:34:59pm |
re: #466 ReamWorks SKG
actually more like reddit than /pol/ tbh.
471 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:35:18pm |
re: #467 Decatur Deb
Don’t understand why the NRA isn’t advertising all over BET. Well, maybe I do…
I wonder what would happen if the rate of black people buying guns just skyrocketed? Maybe that’s the way to get rid of these insane gun laws. If black people start using them maybe rightwingers won’t like them anymore?
472 | twisty Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:35:54pm |
474 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:36:38pm |
There are thousands of posts like this. It’s not just a few. And the idiots keep retweeting.
HUNT ZIMMERMAN DOWN LIKE THE DIRTY KIKE HE IS. AMERICA HAS JUST BECOME NAZI GERMANY. THE LAST REMAINING JEW IN THE COUNTRY. FIND HIM.— Johnny Kilroy ? (@ItsJohnDOE__) July 14, 2013
475 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:36:42pm |
re: #471 moderatelyradicalliberal
I wonder what would happen if the rate of black people buying guns just skyrocketed? Maybe that’s the way to get rid of these insane gun laws. If black people start using them maybe rightwingers won’t like them anymore?
Remington could market a 12-gauge semi-auto, call it the “Huey”. Profit !!!
476 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:36:46pm |
cbsnews.com
And this is why I’m jaded. She gets 20 years for firing warning shots and Zimmerman gets off for killing someone. I know the cases aren’t mirrors of each other but goddamn man.
478 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:37:01pm |
To assume that black people will respond to the Zimmerman verdict with violence is as racist as assuming that Trayvon Martin was suspicious.— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) July 14, 2013
479 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:37:22pm |
Next Case in Florida
And don't forget another FL 'Shoot A Black Kid With Impunity' Law case coming up http://t.co/hcQot500Rr
— Monica Roberts (@TransGriot) July 14, 2013
480 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:37:50pm |
re: #447 HappyWarrior
Don’t be. I had to come home from a baseball game to hear my grandmother almost joyful about the verdict. I love her but her prejudice sickens me.
re: #463 ProTARDISLiberal
Fortunately, I have no love for my dad, so when he did the same, he fit into a pre-conceived notion of how I thought he would act.
re: #465 HappyWarrior
It’s tough knowing that someone who shaped your mindset is a bigot. As I said, love her to death and she has helped me and my family out a lot but her intolerance is just something that becomes harder to overcome as I get older.
Ugh. Preaching to the choir. I get a headache thinking about how many of my relatives and their kids are celebrating this verdict.
481 | rosiee Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:38:08pm |
Damn you Bob Dylan, no one would be blaming the Jews if it wasn’t for you.
482 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:38:11pm |
re: #478 Lidane
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The worst part of those who almost sound joyful about the thought of violence happening since they think it will justify their preconceived notions about black people.
483 | ProTARDISLiberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:38:17pm |
re: #465 HappyWarrior
Heh, he didn’t shape me.
My friends (almost all female) I had in Middle and High School did, along with my Grandfather, and Tim Russert’s book, Wisdom of our Fathers.
Want to know why I am so off on taste, and more willing to not repress what I feel. They are why. And in return, I am a feminist, as I have seen women are just as good as men. Hell, from my experience, they were nicer.
484 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:38:58pm |
re: #483 ProTARDISLiberal
Heh, he didn’t shape me.
My friends (almost all female) I had in Middle and High School did, along with my Grandfather, and Tim Russert’s book, Wisdom of our Fathers.
Want to know why I am so off on taste, and more willing to not repress what I feel. They are why. And in return, I am a feminist, as I have seen women are just as good as men. Hell, from my experience, they were nicer.
Well I was talking about my grandmother and myself. But yeah I see.
485 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:40:10pm |
I really hope there are no riots anywhere. Just peaceful demonstrations. The Breitbarts are really hoping for trouble and that’s sickening….
486 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:40:24pm |
re: #480 Mattand
Ugh. Preaching to the choir. I get a headache thinking about how many of my relatives and their kids are celebrating this verdict.
It sucks. We don’t get to choose our relatives of course but damn.
487 | jaunte Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:42:15pm |
They keep saying there've been “no incidents,” everything has been peaceful - just reinforcing notion that Black ppl always potential threat
— Grace (@graceishuman) July 14, 2013
488 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:42:18pm |
re: #485 ReamWorks SKG
I really hope there are no riots anywhere. Just peaceful demonstrations. The Breitbarts are really hoping for trouble and that’s sickening….
The RWNJs are win-win on that. It there are riots, they are vindicated. if not, the urban yoots were frightened off by their superior firepower and tactical acumen.
489 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:42:36pm |
re: #448 Batman
Anyone remember this? cbsnews.com
I wonder what the difference between these two cases is.
We actually discussed that case two threads back. The first post about it was at #35 and my reply is at #43. Here’s three of my posts summing up what I had to say, then one more from Kragar:
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
I read about that case and I need to correct your recounting of it: It was not that the jury did not see the woman’s case as self-defense, the judge presiding over the trial did not allow the woman to claim self defense. He ruled that when she went back into the house she voluntarily reentered the zone of danger, which negated any claim of self-defense. Thus the jury literally could not return a verdict of self defense, and given the evidence that left them with no choice but to vote for conviction.
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
The only juror to speak about the verdict clearly considered that course inappropriate, that person’s reply largely being “We were given valid, legal orders and though we did not like them we obeyed them.” And there is a case to be made for that view, that case being that deciding what the law meant was the job of the judge and the proper avenue for undoing a bad decision on the judge’s part is an appeal.
I am not saying I agree either with that reasoning or that of the judge; I am simply stating their reasoning and saying how that reasoning can be defended.
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
I would not be too sure of that. It’s worth noting she was not convicted of aggravated assault against her husband; She was convicted because she fired a warning shot into a wall and her children were on the other side of that wall. That case really was not about race, it was about specifics in self-defense law and about the fact that firing warning shots is a bad idea.
re: #87 Kragar
Years ago, I had a firearms safety course run by a local police department. They had a training video where they showed why you never fire warning shots. They showed a cop chasing an armed suspect and firing 2 shots into the air as a warning. They then cut to a little old lady dropping mail into a mailbox when her letter got hit out of her hands. For the second round, they had a kid in his drive way fixing his bike get hit in front of his mom.
You do not fire warning shots, ever.
490 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:44:30pm |
re: #489 Dark_Falcon
We actually discussed that case two threads back. The first post about it was at #35 and my reply is at #43. Here’s three of my posts summing up what I had to say, then one more from Kragar:
No you do not fire warning shots. You make sure that you kill the person and that they can’t tell their side of the story. Then you can claim self defense and not go to jail. If you are white or the dead person is black.
No snark.
491 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:45:16pm |
I wonder what happened during @michellemalkin's childhood to make her the person she is today. Must have been pretty fucking awful.— Calvin (@aurosan) July 14, 2013
492 | theye1 Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:45:37pm |
re: #389 chadu
Have I said anything at all racist? I honestly want to know
493 | jhrhv Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:46:19pm |
I’ve loved Florida since the first time I went there. I don’t know if I’ll ever go back now.
494 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:48:46pm |
re: #491 Lidane
I wonder what happened during @michellemalkin's childhood to make her the person she is today. Must have been pretty fucking awful.— Calvin (@aurosan) July 14, 2013
I wonder the same thing about Coulter.
495 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:49:22pm |
re: #493 jhrhv
I’ve loved Florida since the first time I went there. I don’t know if I’ll ever go back now.
Make sure Disney knows that. Their industry is a big chunk of the Florida economy, and particularly vulnerable.
496 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:49:51pm |
re: #494 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
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I wonder the same thing about Coulter.
I wonder that about many of them. How does one become so full of hate. I guess hate’s like a narcotic. People need it or else they feel they can’t function.
497 | Decatur Deb Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:51:20pm |
re: #496 HappyWarrior
I wonder that about many of them. How does one become so full of hate. I guess hate’s like a narcotic. People need it or else they feel they can’t function.
Their hate is a profitable shtick—it’s like saying Henny Youngman hated his wife.
498 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:51:27pm |
499 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:53:08pm |
Excellent Andrew Cohen piece on what Zimmerman verdict says about Florida, America, race, and law http://t.co/8IP2e1GZ7N— James Fallows (@JamesFallows) July 14, 2013
500 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:56:57pm |
re: #474 ReamWorks SKG
Fucking racist assholes.
I’ve been trying to figure out why people hate TEH JUICE, and all I can come up with is:
* Mistakenly think they were responsible for crucifying that Yeshua dude.
* Envious over the money they made on normal loans (when usury was considered a sin).
* Weirdo conspiracy theories that have no fricking contact with reality.
501 | Ming Sat, Jul 13, 2013 9:59:35pm |
re: #384 Major Tom
The real lesson: Next time just remember to scrape a little skin under the corpse’s finger nails and it never makes it to trial.
It also helps when the police don’t take enough photos, or collect much evidence. Or bother to arrest the guy.
502 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:00:20pm |
re: #500 chadu
Fucking racist assholes.
I’ve been trying to figure out why people hate TEH JUICE, and all I can come up with is:
* Mistakenly think they were responsible for crucifying that Yeshua dude.
* Envious over the money they made on normal loans (when usury was considered a sin).
* Weirdo conspiracy theories that have no fricking contact with reality.
People always need a scapegoat. That’s the story of racism anywhere and anytime. Want to justify lynching and castrating black men? Claim that black men rape white women even though it was white slave owners raping women slaves and destroying slave families. Want to rationalize tough economic times and losing WWI? Blame the Jews. And it goes on and on. I remember when I took US history in college, my professor said that Bacon’s Rebellion, an event that I think few Americans remember from history class was one of the first important events in early US history because it showed how the powers to be will find a scapegoat to justify discriminating against the other.
503 | bubba zanetti Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:02:30pm |
re: #474 ReamWorks SKG
I don’t get it. A YouTube video of Billie Holliday’s ‘Strange Fruit’ is doing the rounds, and the comments are being overloaded by some weirdo who’s main point is that “Blacks sold other blacks to teh Juice who then sold them to white people, and it’s not fair that we blame the last third of the chain when it’s white people that freed the slaves. Did I mention teh Juice?”
Yes, I know. Don’t read the comments.
504 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:04:16pm |
re: #471 moderatelyradicalliberal
I wonder what would happen if the rate of black people buying guns just skyrocketed? Maybe that’s the way to get rid of these insane gun laws. If black people start using them maybe rightwingers won’t like them anymore?
For slightly less than two centuries the southern half of this country was a terror state where any action viewed as rebellious resulted in disproportionate retaliation against blacks, individually and collectively.
Historically, the issue of armed black people has been solved by gangs of armed white people “protecting their community” with a lynch mob.
The current racist wingnuts…well, they view blacks as inherently criminal, and thus as illegal firearms carriers. Indeed, their entire coding of criminality is “black man with gun.” An actual increase in legal gun ownership among African Americans isn’t going to change their minds, since they’re already carrying gun to protect themselves against imaginary black criminals.
505 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:04:34pm |
re: #503 bubba zanetti
I don’t get it. A YouTube video of Billie Holliday’s ‘Strange Fruit’ is doing the rounds, and the comments are being overloaded by some weirdo who’s main point is that “Blacks sold other blacks to teh Juice who then sold them to white people, and it’s not fair that we blame the last third of the chain when it’s white people that freed the slaves. Did I mention teh Juice?”
Yes, I know. Don’t read the comments.
Imagine no race, no religion. I think I’m starting to get Imagine now.
506 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:05:30pm |
re: #492 theye1
Have I said anything at all racist? I honestly want to know
Dude, it’s late for me, and I’m slightly drunk. I don’t want to go on a hunt for stuff.
You’re not a racist.
I was frustrated by the resurrection of the “just call me a racist, then” hand. So, I called.
I apologize for that.
But, for what it’s worth, you’re still as insightful as a ditchwater stump.
Toodles!
507 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:05:44pm |
re: #502 HappyWarrior
People always need a scapegoat. That’s the story of racism anywhere and anytime. Want to justify lynching and castrating black men? Claim that black men rape white women even though it was white slave owners raping women slaves and destroying slave families. Want to rationalize tough economic times and losing WWI? Blame the Jews. And it goes on and on. I remember when I took US history in college, my professor said that Bacon’s Rebellion, an event that I think few Americans remember from history class was one of the first important events in early US history because it showed how the powers to be will find a scapegoat to justify discriminating against the other.
Though it must also be noted that Bacon and his followers favored the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans from Virginia. Both sides of that affair acted in large part out of bigotry.
508 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:06:54pm |
re: #262 Mattand
Oh, for fuck’s sake. The only “evidence” that Martin attacked Zimmerman is the word of the guy who stalked Martin and murdered him.
Basically the lesson here is that if you can isolate a black kid and murder him with no witnesses, the average American jury will let you off.
You know as well as I do that the prosecution has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, and that self-defense is a valid defense for a manslaughter charge just as much as for a murder charge.
I didn’t see what happened and neither did anyone else here. But from the evidence in court we know there was clearly a fight. The only witness says that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head pushed into the concrete repeatedly, while Martin had no injuries other than the fatal gunshot wound and some scrapes to his knuckles consistent with punching someone. Moreover the jury heard testimony that Zimmerman was a wimp and couldn’t fight - making it implausible that he would start a punching match with a healthy and fit 17 year old.
Did you read the instructions to the jury? They said that if there were reasonable doubt about whether or not Zimmerman acted in self-defense, they should find him not guilty — (meaning, as far as I can see, that they had to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that he did NOT act in self defense). That applies to both murder and manslaughter.
You may not like it, and you can downding it all you want, but I don’t see how in the face of what the jury heard as evidence that they could come up with a guilty verdict without violating their obligation to follow the law and the instructions to the jury based on the law.
509 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:09:29pm |
re: #502 HappyWarrior
I remember when I took US history in college, my professor said that Bacon’s Rebellion, an event that I think few Americans remember from history class was one of the first important events in early US history because it showed how the powers to be will find a scapegoat to justify discriminating against the other.
Dude, most people never hear of Bacon’s Rebellion.
I only learned of it in the last year reading 1676, the End of American Independence.
510 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:09:30pm |
re: #507 Dark_Falcon
Though it must also be noted that Bacon and his followers favored the ethnic cleansing of Native Americans from Virginia. Both sides of that affair acted in large part out of bigotry.
Of course. The point the professor was trying to make though was about scapegoating. Scapegoating is how and why we had lynchings well into last century. It’s why we incarcerated thousands of loyal and proud Japanese-Americans during WWII. It’s why Muslim-Americans get attacked following 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombings. We’re always looking for a scapegoat and by we I mean society as a whole since we’ve invented stupid diversionary crap like religion and race to give us the excuse to say we’re better than others because we’re this and they’re that.
511 | bubba zanetti Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:10:28pm |
73-year-old black musician Lester Chambers assaulted on stage tonight after dedicating song to Trayvon. Hospitalized. http://t.co/oN3zhy6wgL— Angus Johnston (@studentactivism) July 14, 2013
512 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:10:34pm |
re: #503 bubba zanetti
And this commenter is missing the FUCKING LYNCHINGS?
513 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:10:40pm |
re: #509 chadu
Dude, most people never hear of Bacon’s Rebellion.
I only learned of it in the last year reading 1676, the End of American Independence.
I probably wouldn’t know it if I didn’t grow up in Virginia. That’s me. Remembering something we spent 15 minutes in Virginia history back in ‘97.
514 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:11:11pm |
515 | bubba zanetti Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:11:56pm |
re: #512 chadu
Yes, it’s that video. I supposed “I don’t get it” was an understatement on my part.
516 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:12:53pm |
re: #505 HappyWarrior
Imagine no race, no religion. I think I’m starting to get Imagine now.
“Was it a millionaire who said ‘Imagine no possessions’?”
Elvis Costello, The Other Side of Summer
517 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:14:53pm |
re: #510 HappyWarrior
I object to calling religion “stupid diversionary crap”.
It’s OK to call race “stupid diversionary crap”, though.
518 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:15:05pm |
re: #516 chadu
“Was it a millionaire who said ‘Imagine no possessions’?”
Elvis Costello, The Other Side of Summer
Ha, yeah heh that’s true. Man am I jaded.
519 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:16:11pm |
re: #516 chadu
“Was it a millionaire who said ‘Imagine no possessions’?”
Elvis Costello, The Other Side of Summer
Well played.
520 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:16:23pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
I object to calling religion “stupid diversionary crap”.
It’s OK to call race “stupid diversionary crap”, though.
Fair enough, but I am talking about using religion as a means of separating people stupid diversionary crap. Saying I’m a Christian, that makes me better than you because you’re a Muslim or likewise saying I’m a nonbeliever, that makes me better than you because you are. That’s what I mean when I call religion stupid diversionary crap.
521 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:17:22pm |
re: #520 HappyWarrior
Fair enough, but I am talking about using religion as a means of separating people stupid diversionary crap. Saying I’m a Christian, that makes me better than you because you’re a Muslim or likewise saying I’m a nonbeliever, that makes me better than you because you are. That’s what I mean when I call religion stupid diversionary crap.
Clarification noted and accepted.
522 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:18:16pm |
re: #521 Dark_Falcon
Clarification noted and accepted.
Thanks. Should have clarified that better. I am not anti religion. Doesn’t work for me but whatever, I just hate seeing it used as a mechanism to justify prejudice, murder, and a bunch of other crap.
523 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:18:20pm |
re: #508 krypto
The only witness says that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.
This is a lie. There were several eye witnesses. One testified that they saw Zimmerman on top, one (John Good) testified that Martin was on top. Another says she only saw “a person” and a fourth testified that Zimmerman’s demeanor afterwords seemed cool and matter of fact, unemotional.
524 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:19:29pm |
Was going to watch Sharknado tonight, but instead got sucked into the Giants game, where Lincecum threw a no-hitter (146 pitches…he wasn’t letting anyone take him out of the game). Good times.
525 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:21:16pm |
I was surprised also to see that something about the Florida “stand your ground” law was included in the instructions to the jury.
I thought that applied only to defending a home in Florida against an intruder, but apparently it applies to a person not having to retreat if he is in a place where he is entitled to be (the approximate wording I recall from the instructions).
That might also have played a role in the jury decision.
526 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:22:34pm |
Sorry, but my narcolepsy is too much for me now. I have to go to bed.
527 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:24:23pm |
re: #523 goddamnedfrank
It also came out during the questioning of the creator of the VR reenactment that the defense intentionally and unlawfully broke John Good’s sequestration. John Good also directly contradicted his own sworn deposition when he claimed to identify Zimmerman’s voice in court. Good was also a major financial supporter of Zimmerman’s, easily the least impartial of all the eye witnesses who took the stand.
528 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:26:04pm |
re: #511 bubba zanetti
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There’s that violence the right was talking about. I wonder of the attacker will claim self defense?
529 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:26:22pm |
re: #525 krypto
Why did you lie about there being only one eye witness? Good didn’t even claim to witness the shot being fired, he went back into his home to dial 911. How do you feel about Good breaking sequestration and supporting Zimmerman financially?
530 | darthstar Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:27:42pm |
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, but my narcolepsy is too much for me now. I have to go to bed.
It’s 12:30 in Chicago. That’s not narcolepsy…it’s bed time.
531 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:30:43pm |
He had to be guilty of something, right? Just asking questions, right?
532 | chadu Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:31:05pm |
It’s 1:30 am here.
I’mma eat sumfing and go sleeps.
Later, Lizards.
533 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:32:24pm |
re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea
He had to be guilty of something, right? Just asking questions, right?
Parasites giving that racist piece of shit the time of day.
534 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:32:42pm |
re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea
He had to be guilty of something, right? Just asking questions, right?
I think this is what angers me most about Zimmerman’s side. They want to do everything possible to make Martin out to be some terrible kid and rationalize George Zimmerman killing him anyway possible. I think the verdict wouldn’t bother me so much if they had expressed some sympathy to Martin’s family but no they keep on doing this kind of shit.
535 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:33:49pm |
Why the fuck isn’t Zimmerman called a thug? This is a guy who was actually arrested for attacking a police officer? Martin gets in a fight at school and smoked marijuana and he’s a terrible thug? Nice standard you got there assholes.
536 | blueraven Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:34:06pm |
re: #529 goddamnedfrank
Why did you lie about there being only one eye witness? Good didn’t even claim to witness the shot being fired, he went back into his home to dial 911. How do you feel about Good breaking sequestration and supporting Zimmerman financially?
People that contend the prosecution didn’t prove their case…fair enough, but people defending Zimmerman’s actions and cherry picking the evidence? Fuck em.
537 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:35:40pm |
re: #508 krypto
You know as well as I do that the prosecution has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, and that self-defense is a valid defense for a manslaughter charge just as much as for a murder charge.
I didn’t see what happened and neither did anyone else here. But from the evidence in court we know there was clearly a fight. The only witness says that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head pushed into the concrete repeatedly, while Martin had no injuries other than the fatal gunshot wound and some scrapes to his knuckles consistent with punching someone. Moreover the jury heard testimony that Zimmerman was a wimp and couldn’t fight - making it implausible that he would start a punching match with a healthy and fit 17 year old.
Did you read the instructions to the jury? They said that if there were reasonable doubt about whether or not Zimmerman acted in self-defense, they should find him not guilty — (meaning, as far as I can see, that they had to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt that he did NOT act in self defense). That applies to both murder and manslaughter.
You may not like it, and you can downding it all you want, but I don’t see how in the face of what the jury heard as evidence that they could come up with a guilty verdict without violating their obligation to follow the law and the instructions to the jury based on the law.
I generally don’t downding. You’ve got to go fairly racist/bigoted/just out-and-out stupid for me to do that.
Having said that: Zimmerman stalked this kid and killed him, after being warned/advised/asked nicely to let the cops handle it. Quite frankly, the jury are a bunch of fucking morons.
And as far as all of this “Let’s be rational, justice has prevailed based on the evidence” prattle: horseshit. Every goddamned person who’s been bleating this pablum is either white as a fucking polar bear, or is fortunate enough to not be on the receiving end of what passes for justice for minorities in this country.
And I’ll say it again: if you or anyone else thinks this outcome would be the same if Martin were white, you’re delusional to the point of bordering on clueless.
538 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:36:14pm |
Seriously, why would somebody who claimed to have followed the trial closely lie about there only being one eye witness? Why would anybody upding, let alone tell such blatant, steaming pile.
Even the most casual followers of the case knows that Good wasn’t the only witness and that his account was directly contradicted by another eye witness to the fight.
Then there’s the very real impartiality / credibility problems Good has, having broken sequestration, directly contradicting his sworn pretrial deposition, and contributing several thousand dollars to Zimmerman’s defense.
539 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:36:34pm |
Again I get to feel like I am reading a reply on Fox nation — spewing about “lying” because you disagree with some word or other.
I did not spend my days glued to the TV, and it is possible I missed something. I heard only one witness, a neighbor, who actually said he saw the fight itself. There were other “witnesses” but none as far as I recall who saw what that particular neighbor saw
The central point, which I stated correctly, and which you are ignoring to make accusations of “lying,” is that he testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. And then I heard the other facts I listed being presented as testimony.
540 | dragonath Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:37:11pm |
re: #535 HappyWarrior
Why the fuck isn’t Zimmerman called a thug? This is a guy who was actually arrested for attacking a police officer? Martin gets in a fight at school and smoked marijuana and he’s a terrible thug? Nice standard you got there assholes.
Fuck this gloating. I have evidence the Zimmermans are assholes.
541 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:37:36pm |
re: #534 HappyWarrior
I think this is what angers me most about Zimmerman’s side. They want to do everything possible to make Martin out to be some terrible kid and rationalize George Zimmerman killing him anyway possible. I think the verdict wouldn’t bother me so much if they had expressed some sympathy to Martin’s family but no they keep on doing this kind of shit.
Another thing is not just making me insane, but making me worry about the future of this country: the number of people who can develop these long-chain justifications for why victimized people deserve to be victimized. Case in point…it can’t be that Zimmerman screwed up, or that Trayvon’s death was tragic, but that Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed, at that instant.
It’s a callback to the Baddest Old Days of Racism, and it’s freaky that there’s so many people—and so many people with political influence—are getting comfortable with this narrative that Some People Have To Die.
542 | Lidane Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:39:07pm |
Addiction’s a hell of a thing:
BREAKING: #Glee's Cory Monteith found dead in Vancouver hotel, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed. http://t.co/qLoEGUxMDc— Hollywood Reporter (@THR) July 14, 2013
543 | Shvaughn Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:39:51pm |
re: #541 The Ghost of a Flea
Another thing is not just making me insane, but making me worry about the future of this country: the number of people who can develop these long-chain justifications for why victimized people deserve to be victimized. Case in point…it can’t be that Zimmerman screwed up, or that Trayvon’s death was tragic, but the Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed, at that instant.
It’s a callback to the Baddest Old Days of Racism, and it’s freaky that there’s so many people—and so many people with political influence—are getting comfortable with this narrative that Some People Have To Die.
So very much this.
There are far too many people who aren’t willing to say “this was a tragic mistake by Zimmerman,” far too many people ready to claim him as a hero because he shot “one of them.”
It’s deeply saddening.
544 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:41:39pm |
re: #541 The Ghost of a Flea
Another thing is not just making me insane, but making me worry about the future of this country: the number of people who can develop these long-chain justifications for why victimized people deserve to be victimized. Case in point…it can’t be that Zimmerman screwed up, or that Trayvon’s death was tragic, but the Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed, at that instant.
It’s a callback to the Baddest Old Days of Racism, and it’s freaky that there’s so many people—and so many people with political influence—are getting comfortable with this narrative that Some People Have To Die.
I know. I mean it’s one thing to believe that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and should have been acquitted. But OTOH to think Martin needed to die, that wearing a hoodie made him a thug (gee thanks Geraldo you fucking hack), or whatever, then you’re on my shit-list. Someone lost their fucking life. Treyvon’s not coming back. The Martin family will never see him again. And the amount of malice directed at him and by virtue of that his family just makes me ill and my heart ache.
545 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:42:45pm |
re: #543 Shvaughn
So very much this.
There are far too many people who aren’t willing to say “this was a tragic mistake by Zimmerman,” far too many people ready to claim him as a hero because he shot “one of them.”
It’s deeply saddening.
Or that his paranoia was somehow justified.
546 | Mattand Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:44:25pm |
re: #543 Shvaughn
So very much this.
There are far too many people who aren’t willing to say “this was a tragic mistake by Zimmerman,” far too many people ready to claim him as a hero because he shot “one of them.”
It’s deeply saddening.
What’s really fucked up is most of the people celebrating Zimmerman would normally want nothing to do with him, due to him being half-Hispanic.
He’s now their hero because he killed a black kid. One of the most vile examples of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” you’ll ever see in a lifetime.
547 | Shvaughn Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:45:40pm |
re: #546 Mattand
What’s really fucked up is most of the people celebrating Zimmerman would normally want nothing to do with him, due to him being half-Hispanic.
He’s now their hero because he killed a black kid. One of the most vile examples of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” you’ll ever see in a lifetime.
Yes. It’s repulsive.
If he’d killed a white kid, they’d be screaming to “deport” him.
548 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:45:55pm |
re: #546 Mattand
What’s really fucked up is most of the people celebrating Zimmerman would normally want nothing to do with him, due to him being half-Hispanic.
He’s now their hero because he killed a black kid. One of the most vile examples of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” you’ll ever see in a lifetime.
Hatred of black people is older and deeper than any other. We will always be the primary target.
549 | Amory Blaine Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:46:30pm |
Defense Atty:”if George Zimmerman were black, he never would have been charged with a crime” Is he high?
— Michael Steele (@Steele_Michael) July 14, 2013
550 | dragonath Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:47:25pm |
If I hear the term “burden of proof” applied one more time…
What a stupid, stupid, law. Justice is blind and deaf.
551 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:51:30pm |
re: #11 Lidane
He killed an unarmed black kid. Apparently, that’s not a crime.
It means that in this case, the state could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt. That had to do with current SYG legislation, the way that the police failed to collect evidence from the scene of the shooting and the vigilatnte atmosphere that is supported by SYG.
I am not at all surprised at the verdict.
552 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:53:08pm |
re: #26 spiderx
Zimmerman got away with killing someone. This was a clear case of manslaughter.
If Martin was white there never would have been a not guilty verdict.
If Martin was white, Zmmermann probably would not have pursued and confronted him in the first place.
553 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:53:42pm |
re: #538 goddamnedfrank
Seriously, why would somebody who claimed to have followed the trial closely lie about there only being one eye witness? Why would anybody upding, let alone tell such blatant, steaming pile.
Even the most casual followers of the case knows that Good wasn’t the only witness and that his account was directly contradicted by another eye witness to the fight.
Then there’s the very real impartiality / credibility problems Good has, having broken sequestration, directly contradicting his sworn pretrial deposition, and contributing several thousand dollars to Zimmerman’s defense.
More stuff about “lying.” I might equally obnoxiously accuse you of “lying” by falsely claiming I said I watched all of the testimony.
What I did point out about the parts of the testimony I heard was accurate — the neighbor did say that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Remember, the standard the prosecution must meet is proof beyond reasonable doubt, and as far as I can see, the prosecution obviously did not even come close to that.
554 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:53:53pm |
555 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:54:59pm |
re: #500 chadu
Fucking racist assholes.
I’ve been trying to figure out why people hate TEH JUICE, and all I can come up with is:
* Mistakenly think they were responsible for crucifying that Yeshua dude.
* Envious over the money they made on normal loans (when usury was considered a sin).
* Weirdo conspiracy theories that have no fricking contact with reality.
On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word antisemitic treatise written in 1543 by the German Reformation leader Martin Luther.
In the treatise, Luther describes Jews as a “base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth.”[1] Luther wrote that they are “full of the devil’s feces … which they wallow in like swine,”[2] and the synagogue is an “incorrigible whore and an evil slut”.[3]
In the first ten sections of the treatise, Luther expounds, at considerable length, upon his views concerning Jews and Judaism and how these compare against Christians and Christianity. Following this exposition, Section XI of the treatise advises Christians to carry out seven remedial actions. These are
for Jewish synagogues and schools to be burned to the ground, and the remnants buried out of sight;
for houses owned by Jews to be likewise razed, and the owners made to live in agricultural outbuildings;
for their religious writings to be taken away;
for rabbis to be forbidden to preach, and to be executed if they do;
for safe conduct on the roads to be abolished for Jews;
for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed and “put aside for safekeeping”; and
for the Jewish population to be put to work as agricultural slave laborers.[4]
556 | dragonath Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:56:14pm |
re: #555 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
I’m guessing Martin Luther wouldn’t think a Mel Brooks movie is funny.
557 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:56:23pm |
re: #549 Amory Blaine
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So he’s saying that his client should have never even been tried. What a load of shit but he should be glad because you know he’s going to get a cushy book deal out of this and will be on the talk show circuit making millions off this case.
558 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:56:45pm |
re: #127 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
This is untrue. First of all, Zimmerman has given conflicting accounts, so you’ll have to explain which of his contradictory accounts you mean. Second of all, his wounds were consistent with a single, or very few blows, and inconsistent with his head being slammed on the ground.
It certainly was a case where acquittal wasn’t out of the question, but you’re simply not telling the truth here.
The police did not arrest Zijmerman and missed a chance to collect evidence at the scene of the shooting and directly after the event.
It is that lack of evidence that allowed Zimmermann to walk, as the state was unable to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt without it.
559 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:56:47pm |
re: #539 krypto
Again I get to feel like I am reading a reply on Fox nation — spewing about “lying” because you disagree with some word or other.
You said “only eye witness,” after chiding others here about not knowing the evidence presented in court. Either you lied about following the trial or you lied about the number of witnesses. Pretentious asshat speaking from a position of deliberate ignorance or blatant confabulator, those are your choices.
I did not spend my days glued to the TV, and it is possible I missed something. I heard only one witness, a neighbor, who actually said he saw the fight itself. There were other “witnesses” but none as far as I recall who saw what that particular neighbor saw
In no rational world does that make Good the only eye witness. In no rational world does that excuse ignoring his massive credibility / impartiality problems.
The central point, which I stated correctly, and which you are ignoring to make accusations of “lying,” is that he testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. And then I heard the other facts I listed being presented as testimony.
No, you’re just cherry picking and misrepresenting the testimony, while totally pretending the other eye witnesses didn’t exist. Also, there was no “testimony that Zimmerman was a wimp and couldn’t fight.” The testimony was that he expressed an avid interest in learning how to fight but was assessed by others as physically soft and ineffectual. That testimony just as plausibly paints Zimmerman as a sniveling wannabe bully who felt the need for an edge, hence the gun.
560 | Amory Blaine Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:57:56pm |
Springboro Tea Partyer Sonny Thomas Unveils Confederate Flag At School Board Meeting
Springboro, Ohio, school district community members are upset after a local tea partyer unfurled a Confederate flag at a school board meeting Thursday night.
Sonny Thomas, who is the president and founder of Springboro Tea Party, according to this website, was at the meeting to speak about summer Constitution classes that the district had been considering offering. The school board cancelled the classes, however, amid allegations that they had religious undertones and were “tea party leaning,” reports local outlet WHIO-TV.
Thomas, who has previously come under fire for racist tweets, gave a speech meant to defend the Constitution classes. According to sources, however, he also made racist comments and endorsed the League of the South, which advocates for an independent Southern republic. At the end of his speech he unfurled a Confederate flag and asked the audience if they were offended.
561 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 10:59:43pm |
re: #560 Amory Blaine
Springboro Tea Partyer Sonny Thomas Unveils Confederate Flag At School Board Meeting
Stupid CSA wannabes. The fact that there are still those who want to fight this war some 148 years after Appamatox is just sad.
562 | The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:02:10pm |
re: #558 Sol Berdinowitz
The police did not arrest Zijmerman and missed a chance to collect evidence at the scene of the shooting and directly after the event.
It is that lack of evidence that allowed Zimmermann to walk, as the state was unable to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt without it.
Everybody should be pissed about this. Everybody.
And yet, many people will not be.
563 | b_sharp Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:02:34pm |
The SYG law completely destroys the concept of reasonable and appropriate force in defense. Even if not tried under SYG self defense has been tainted by the use of maximum force as a response. However, the worst is not SYG itself, but the attitude that felt SYG was necessary and fully justified.
564 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:02:41pm |
re: #553 krypto
More stuff about “lying.” I might equally obnoxiously accuse you of “lying” by falsely claiming I said I watched all of the testimony.
You certainly gave that impression by telling us what the only possible expected outcome was. So you admit you were just talking out your ass, fine.
What I did point out about the parts of the testimony I heard was accurate — the neighbor did say that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman. Remember, the standard the prosecution must meet is proof beyond reasonable doubt, and as far as I can see, the prosecution obviously did not even come close to that.
Does it even enter into your mental calculous that the witness you keep citing contributed over $2500 to Zimmerman’s defense, broke sequestration to consult with the VR reenactment creator, and totally opposed his own sworn deposition?
565 | dragonath Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:03:56pm |
Hell, even George Takei noticed:
In other Florida news, this woman was handed a 20-year sentence yesterday. Our system is failing us. http://t.co/gIoDYh2Tyv— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) July 14, 2013
Night, reptiles
566 | krypto Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:10:47pm |
re: #559 goddamnedfrank
In no rational world does that make Good the only eye witness. In no rational world does that excuse ignoring his massive credibility / impartiality problems.
No, you’re just cherry picking and misrepresenting the testimony, while totally pretending the other eye witnesses didn’t exist. Also, there was no “testimony that Zimmerman was a wimp and couldn’t fight.” The testimony was that he expressed an avid interest in learning how to fight but was assessed by others as physically soft and ineffectual. That testimony just as plausibly paints Zimmerman as a sniveling wannabe bully who felt the need for an edge, hence the gun.
Pardon me, but I said none of us were there and none of us saw what happened. How on earth is that “chiding others for not knowing the testimony in court”?
And are you claiming that Good did not say he saw what appeared to be Martin on top of Zimmerman? And are you claiming that Zimmerman did not have injuries consistent with being punched in the face and having his head pushed back into the pavement? And are you claiming that Martin’s visible injuries were other than as I described — the fatal gunshot and scrapes on his knuckles and nothing else?
It sounds like some real cherry picking to ignore all that and to ignore if that makes it impossible for the prosecution to have proved his case beyond reasonable doubt.
567 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:12:36pm |
re: #396 jaunte
I’m sadder than I am angry. But, yeah, this 54 year old white woman is angry.
568 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:14:54pm |
re: #409 darthstar
I killed my twitter feed an hour or so ago. Watching the Giants game and having a cocktail.
I went and watched something happy: Zero Dark Thirty. That’s my mood.
569 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:19:15pm |
re: #431 chadu
187. 230 at the trial.
No, Zimmerman was over 200 when it happened. He was clinically obese. He’d just lost like 80 lbs at that time from his MMA training. And the gym owner is now marketing Zimmerman training. That fuck lied on the stand.
570 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:20:43pm |
re: #438 HappyWarrior
Ah 30 pound difference between him and Treyvon then.
No, it was a 50 lb difference. Trayvon had 4” on him, but Z had the weight advantage.
571 | HappyWarrior Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:21:48pm |
re: #570 Joanne
No, it was a 50 lb difference. Trayvon had 4” on him, but Z had the weight advantage.
Gotcha. The pound difference fwiw is why I had and have a hard tine believing that Martin was the aggressor in the case especially since he seemed weirded out by Zimmerman’s following him.
572 | Joanne Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:28:26pm |
re: #479 Stanley Sea
Next Case in Florida
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That dudes done. He’s been in jail the whole time. Plus, while he lived in Brevard Co, the murder didnt take place there.
Of course, nothing is certain, but this guy doesn’t have a modicum if excuse. He didnt know the right phrases to use, as Zimmerman did. Oh, and Michael Dunn (the killer) is a gun nut, hates government guy who killed a kid and then went back to his hotel and ordered pizza before driving 100 miles back to Brevard. I don’t see him getting off.
573 | Stanley Sea Sat, Jul 13, 2013 11:33:27pm |
Well, I’m going to call it a night.
Thanks for the posts, glad I was here tonight.
575 | krypto Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:08:05am |
re: #564 goddamnedfrank
You certainly gave that impression by telling us what the only possible expected outcome was. So you admit you were just talking out your ass, fine.
I continue to believe that was the only possible verdict. Claiming that seeing enough to form that conclusion, while having a life and not spending 8 hours a day watching the Zimmerman trial, is “talking out of my ass” is absurd.
The bottom line is that the jury confirmed my conclusion about what decision they would have to reach.
It was obviously not easy for them — they took a long time to deliberate — but it was not any surprise that they had to reach that decision.
576 | PeterWolf Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:15:52am |
578 | PeterWolf Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:25:35am |
579 | piratedan Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:29:16am |
911 Operator: Do Not get out of the car….
Zimmerman: Ok
nobody dies….
580 | krypto Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:30:17am |
re: #578 PeterWolf
Merely an observation of your apparent idiocy.
As your post shows about yourself, although I was being polite.
581 | PeterWolf Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:32:50am |
re: #580 krypto
As your post shows about yourself, although I was being polite.
You said, and I quote verbatim, “I continue to believe that was the only possible verdict”. You may believe what you wish, but that does not constitute fact. It is also apparent your understanding of the trial proceedings, evidence presented and background of the case are more than lacking, despite your assertions of ‘fact’.
But it’s nice to know you believe in logical fallacies.
582 | krypto Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:38:10am |
re: #581 PeterWolf
Whatever. I already explained correctly why it became obvious that the jury would have to reach that decision.
583 | PeterWolf Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:46:46am |
re: #582 krypto
Whatever. I already explained correctly why it became obvious that the jury would have to reach that decision.
In your parallel world? I didn’t see that here.
584 | spiderx Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:18:07am |
re: #575 krypto
I continue to believe that was the only possible verdict. Claiming that seeing enough to form that conclusion, while having a life and not spending 8 hours a day watching the Zimmerman trial, is “talking out of my ass” is absurd.
The bottom line is that the jury confirmed my conclusion about what decision they would have to reach.
It was obviously not easy for them — they took a long time to deliberate — but it was not any surprise that they had to reach that decision.
not surprising given that juries come to some perplexing decisions , especially in florida (casey anthony). But this was the clearest case of manslaughter I’ve ever seen. Martin was just minding his own business when GZ started to follow him. We don’t know what happened and how a scuffle started but it doesn’t matter. The law does not allow you to follow someone, start a confrontation, and then if you’re getting your ass whooped because of it, pull out a firearm and blow the guy away.
The only people who come to the conclusion that GZ was in the right are either racist or so gullible that they’ll fall for anything their side (in this case the right-wing echo chamber) tells them.
585 | goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:25:40am |
When people say that there was only one possible verdict the jury could have made, they’re saying the judge made a mistake in not entering a directed judgement as a matter of law. They’re saying she erred, that she needlessly and recklessly jeopardized Zimmerman’s freedom in even letting the jury go into deliberation.
586 | krypto Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:47:00am |
re: #584 spiderx
not surprising given that juries come to some perplexing decisions , especially in florida (casey anthony). But this was the clearest case of manslaughter I’ve ever seen. Martin was just minding his own business when GZ started to follow him. We don’t know what happened and how a scuffle started but it doesn’t matter. The law does not allow you to follow someone, start a confrontation, and then if you’re getting your ass whooped because of it, pull out a firearm and blow the guy away.
The only people who come to the conclusion that GZ was in the right are either racist or so gullible that they’ll fall for anything their side (in this case the right-wing echo chamber) tells them.
In the right? Hardly. There are plenty of things that he should have done differently. And obviously there should not have been any dead 17 year old.
“The law does not allow you to follow someone, start a confrontation, and then if you’re getting your ass whooped because of it, pull out a firearm and blow the guy away.”
Let’s break that apart — following Martin may have been dumb, but there is no law against it. It is not any form of assault and not any excuse to attack. And the credibility of a self-defense claim depends in part on who physically attacked who — and therefore on what the jury can conclude about that point.
The problem with expecting Zimmerman to be convicted of manslaughter however is that acting in self-defense is valid as a defense against both the murder and manslaughter charge.
And sorry, but I don’t think anyone should form opinions about much of anything based on that kind of “the only people who believe this are that” kind of characterization.
587 | krypto Sun, Jul 14, 2013 1:50:24am |
re: #585 goddamnedfrank
When people say that there was only one possible verdict the jury could have made, they’re saying the judge made a mistake in not entering a directed judgement as a matter of law. They’re saying she erred, that she needlessly and recklessly jeopardized Zimmerman’s freedom in even letting the jury go into deliberation.
There was no way any judge was going to issue a directed judgement in a case of this sort, regardless of the evidence.
588 | CMReaK Sun, Jul 14, 2013 4:39:46am |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
“The defense authorized by this section shall be established by evidence that the participant has been convicted of such forcible felony or attempted forcible felony, or by proof of the commission of such crime or attempted crime by a preponderance of the evidence.”
Since Martin wasn’t convicted of a forcible felony Zimmerman would have to assert that he has “proof of the commission of such crime”. There is no such proof, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Martin family filing that law suit.
589 | boredtechindenver Sun, Jul 14, 2013 4:49:54am |
re: #343 moderatelyradicalliberal
Driving While Black
Walking While Black
Breathing While BlackCan all get you killed.
590 | Joanne Sun, Jul 14, 2013 6:37:12am |
re: #585 goddamnedfrank
When people say that there was only one possible verdict the jury could have made, they’re saying the judge made a mistake in not entering a directed judgement as a matter of law. They’re saying she erred, that she needlessly and recklessly jeopardized Zimmerman’s freedom in even letting the jury go into deliberation.
That’s what Alan Dershowitz said. Actually I think he said something to the effect of prosecution should be jailed for bringing charges and the judge was negligent for not doing a directed verdict.
He’s really gone around the bend lately on many issues.
591 | Skip Intro Sun, Jul 14, 2013 8:40:02am |
“Fucking punks,” Zimmerman told the police dispatcher that night. “These assholes. They always get away.”
For once, the murderer Zimmerman is right.
592 | PeterWolf Mon, Jul 15, 2013 6:26:41am |
Sometimes, one can only hope that karma is real and people like Zimmerman will experience it firsthand.
593 | Conn. Lawyer Mon, Jul 15, 2013 12:02:17pm |
I’ve just glanced through the comments here and it’s a little surprising how little attention was paid to the evidence by the commenters. You know, evidence, the stuff that people say in court and the physical evidence presented in court.
Based on my review of the evidence, I think it is more likely than not that Martin decided to teach the “creep-ass cracker” a lesson in respect, and so sucker-punched Zimmerman in the nose, knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and climbed on top of Zimmerman, banging away at Zimmerman’s head (evidence: Rachel’s testimony that Martin referred to the “creepy-ass cracker” and that Martin did not return to the house when he had a chance, Good’s testimony that Martin was on top beating on Zimmerman, Dr. Maio’s expert testimony about Zimmerman’s injuries). Had Martin not done that, he would be alive today. Had Martin gone home, he would be alive today. Had Martin called 911, he would be alive today. Had Martin engaged Zimmerman in a civil conversation (“Why are you following me?” “Because you don’t live here” “Oh, I’m staying with my dad” “OK, take care”), he would be alive today. Was Zimmerman foolish and imprudent in getting out of his car to track a stranger in the dark on a rainy night? Sure, that was a dangerous thing to do. You know, the stranger might decide to sucker-punch you in the nose and ground + pound you. Would I track a stranger through my neighborhood in the dark and rain while I’m waiting for the cops to come? No, I’m not brave enough or that civic minded.
594 | wrenchwench Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:17:15pm |
re: #593 Conn. Lawyer
I’ve just glanced through the comments here and it’s a little surprising how little attention was paid to the evidence by the commenters. You know, evidence, the stuff that people say in court and the physical evidence presented in court.
So you take a glance at the comments here and decide we have not paid enough attention to the evidence?
Does the irony escape you?
595 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:37:49pm |
re: #593 Conn. Lawyer
Martin had one small injury on his hand, and Zimmerman had a 2cm and .5cm cut on the back of his head and no significant contusions. Why do you think that’s consistent with Zimmerman having his head banged into the ground?
Why do you consider Zimmerman pursuing Martin ‘brave’? What was brave about it?
596 | jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 15, 2013 2:55:03pm |
re: #593 Conn. Lawyer
I’ve just glanced through the comments here and it’s a little surprising how little attention was paid to the evidence by the commenters. You know, evidence, the stuff that people say in court and the physical evidence presented in court.
Based on my review of the evidence, I think it is more likely than not that Martin decided to teach the “creep-ass cracker” a lesson in respect, and so sucker-punched Zimmerman in the nose, knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and climbed on top of Zimmerman, banging away at Zimmerman’s head (evidence: Rachel’s testimony that Martin referred to the “creepy-ass cracker” and that Martin did not return to the house when he had a chance, Good’s testimony that Martin was on top beating on Zimmerman, Dr. Maio’s expert testimony about Zimmerman’s injuries). Had Martin not done that, he would be alive today. Had Martin gone home, he would be alive today. Had Martin called 911, he would be alive today. Had Martin engaged Zimmerman in a civil conversation (“Why are you following me?” “Because you don’t live here” “Oh, I’m staying with my dad” “OK, take care”), he would be alive today. Was Zimmerman foolish and imprudent in getting out of his car to track a stranger in the dark on a rainy night? Sure, that was a dangerous thing to do. You know, the stranger might decide to sucker-punch you in the nose and ground + pound you. Would I track a stranger through my neighborhood in the dark and rain while I’m waiting for the cops to come? No, I’m not brave enough or that civic minded.
Whatever else we may feel on the trial I think everyone should be able to agree that Zimmerman acted in a manner that was neither “brave” or “civic minded” there is a reason real official crime watch groups FORBID their members from going on patrol while armed.