Off the Wall Friday Afternoon Video Break: Sleep Walk, by Hey Beautiful Jerk

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Set in 1959, a black hole appears over Manhattan and during these last few moments of the apocalypse; a homeless doomsday enthusiast learns that it is never too late for redemption. This is the first animated short film created by Mark Szumski and Gina Niespodziani aka Hey Beautiful Jerk. Produced by Rob Meyers and Danon Hinty. Character Design by Ronald Wimberly.Art Direction by Kuni-I Chang. Animation and Post Production services by Click 3x. Music produced by Pleaserock. www.heybeautifuljerk.com www.pleaserock.com

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1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:15:48pm
2 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:17:15pm

OBAMA WUZ PHOTOSHOPPED INTO THE PICKCHUR!!!!

3 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:17:42pm

Pretty awesome video.

4 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:19:18pm

re: #2 GeneJockey

OBAMA WUZ PHOTOSHOPPED INTO THE PICKCHUR!!!!

Obama was golfing and having gay secks with Reggie while the NYSE tanked 30 points over Syria!!!1!

5 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:19:56pm

I froze the screen to read the newspaper story. Sad.

6 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:20:33pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I’m imagining some of the people who might be in such a picture if the GOP had won in 2008 or 2012.

Sarah Palin. John Bolton.

I can’t go on.

7 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:20:47pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Pete Souza. Best job in the world. Imagine.

8 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:22:17pm

re: #2 GeneJockey

OBAMA WUZ PHOTOSHOPPED INTO THE PICKCHUR!!!!

It’s everyone they hate: Biden, Holder, Kerry, Obama & Rice.

whoo boy.

9 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:24:27pm

re: #2 GeneJockey

OBAMA WUZ PHOTOSHOPPED INTO THE PICKCHUR!!!!

You can tell by the pixels. They’re black.

10 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:25:10pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

It’s everyone they hate: Biden, Holder, Kerry, Obama & Rice.

whoo boy.

Needz Moar Valerie Jarrett.

12 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:25:59pm

re: #10 GeneJockey

Needz Moar Valerie Jarrett.

Yeah, where the hell is she?

13 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:26:16pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

The Nation goes full-on metal WingbatDudeprogEmonut.

Oh, for the love of Mike.

14 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:26:37pm

Poignant video, very well done. And using one of my favorite songs ever as the soundtrack. Good choice, Charles.

15 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:26:43pm

Where’s the cards? Don’t they play spades at these meetings?

16 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:27:37pm
17 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:28:51pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

Yeah, where the hell is she?

THAT’S WHY OBUMMER CAN’T MAKE A DECIZHUN!! VALERIE JERRETT ISN’T THERE TO TELLHIM WHAT TO THINK!!!! NO MOOOCHELLE, EITHER!!!1!!1!!

Oh, and what’s his name - Van Jones. No him, either.

18 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:29:09pm

re: #2 GeneJockey

The pixels!!!

19 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:31:31pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

The Nation goes full-on metal WingbatDudeprogEmonut.

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20 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:32:55pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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OBAMA IS BOWING TO SUSAN RICE!!1!!!

21 GeneJockey  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:33:21pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

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One year ago, I was campaigning to re-elect Barack Obama. Today, I would support his impeachment. (Though I STILL stand by my vote, given the alternative)

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Oh, the emoprog butthurt! Obamb didn’t give him his rainbow-farting unicorn pony!

22 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:34:30pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

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Idiot. ‘The alternative’ is still out there, it always is.

23 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:35:55pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

The Nation goes full-on metal WingbatDudeprogEmonut.

Like a pathetic schoolyard bully who’s drawn a line in the sand and beats up people who cross it, Obama is going to war in Syria simply because he drew a “red line” against the use of chemical weapons and President Assad flouted it. (Needless to say, it isn’t even clear if it was Assad who ordered the attack using a nerve agent, since at least some of the leaked intelligence shows that it was a local commander who intended the use to have much more limited, local effect, not a mass killing of hundreds.)

Gee. Kind of defending the commander there too.

24 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:36:12pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

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The Circle of Derp.

25 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:37:23pm

It’s time for me to stop rolling.

Thanks for all the updings!

Tomorrow I will know the names of the New Overlords. (Overladies)

26 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:38:14pm

Is Obama waiting for the UN inspectors to leave or what?

This deal is becoming less popular by the second and if he is going to do something then he should probably go ahead and get it over with because the voices of opposition are getting REALLY LOUD.

27 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:38:19pm

Oh, shut up if you can’t get it right.

Washington’s threats to attack Syria unacceptable - Russian Foreign Ministry

rt.com

28 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:39:35pm

re: #21 GeneJockey

Oh, the emoprog butthurt! Obamb didn’t give him his rainbow-farting unicorn pony!

Guess they’ll be really upset if we, like, actually launch an attack.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:40:15pm

Oh boy, Chris Hayes is selling Snowden/MLK tshirts now.

30 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:40:50pm

re: #26 b.d.

Is Obama waiting for the UN inspectors to leave or what?

This deal is becoming less popular by the second and if he is going to do something then he should probably go ahead and get it over with because the voices of opposition are getting REALLY LOUD.

No, he’s waiting for the GOP, or at least its leaders, to whip out their dicks.

31 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:41:11pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Again, parody acct.

32 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:41:35pm

re: #31 Justanotherhuman

Again, parody acct.

I hope so.

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:41:44pm

re: #9 thedopefishlives

You can tell by the pixels. They’re black.

Racist pixels!

34 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:42:10pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

There’s a lot of nonsense in that article, but it remains true that the Administration is going to have to do a lot better than “a red line was crossed” to justify military action in the face of little domestic or international support for such action.

35 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:42:21pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

How high will the derp stack?

36 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:44:01pm

re: #35 Amory Blaine

How high will the derp stack?

They have vast secret stockderpiles.

37 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:44:31pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Don’t think that’s the real CH.

Just another free marketer that sees a way to make $, regardless of the tastefulness of the product. gah.

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:46:29pm

re: #35 Amory Blaine

How high will the derp stack?

Derp JENGA

You take some Derp from the bottom and you put it on top…

39 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:46:40pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Oh boy, Chris Hayes is selling Snowden/MLK tshirts now.

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I thought it was established that that was a parody account?

40 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:47:57pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Hahahahahahahahaha, Yes, I’d say that this is a fake account.

41 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:48:16pm
42 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:49:08pm

re: #39 makeitstop

I thought it was established that that was a parody account?

I didn’t realize it earlier. Now that I look more closely I see it is a fake Chris Hayes account.

43 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:49:37pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

I didn’t realize it earlier. Now that I look more closely I see it is a fake Chris Hayes account.

I can be so hard to tell.

44 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:50:07pm

Kerry’s statement.

blogs.state.gov

“The President has been clear: Any action that he might decide to take will be a limited and tailored response to ensure that a despot’s brutal and flagrant use of chemical weapons is held accountable,” Secretary Kerry said. “And ultimately, ultimately, we are committed — we remain committed, we believe it’s the primary objective — is to have a diplomatic process that can resolve this through negotiation, because we know there is no ultimate military solution. It has to be political. It has to happen at the negotiating table, and we are deeply committed to getting there.”

45 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:50:46pm

Yup, that’s me, Mr. Naïve. Naïve Norbert the nervous newbie.

46 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:51:02pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

I remember of that most of Europe got involved with that.

47 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:51:46pm
48 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:52:12pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

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Yes. Yes she is.

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:53:14pm

re: #48 b.d.

Yes. Yes she is.

Smart as a pit bull wearing lipstick.

50 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:53:33pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

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Sarah P shows her emoprog side. That’s….touching.

51 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:53:49pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Sheesh, what a monumental bigot. It’s all coming out now, isn’t it?

52 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:54:22pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

She is a Heartless Harridan. And sounds like one too.

53 sagehen  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:54:56pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Where’s the cards? Don’t they play spades at these meetings?

racist!!

54 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:55:24pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Smart as a pit bull wearing lipstick.

Don’t insult pit bulls, please.

55 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:55:57pm

Just turned on ESPN to watch the Texas Tech/SMU game. At least that was my intention, for I arrived in the middle of one of their endless commercial marathons. I have heard that these people sometimes manage to show snippets of certain sporting events during breaks in these noisy promotions, but you couldn’t prove it by what has been on the screen since I tuned in.
The Idiocracy is here, even without Lee Corso and professional goofball Lou Holtz.

56 Stanley Sea  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:58:31pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

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Oh boy.

57 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:59:00pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Oh boy, Chris Hayes is selling Snowden/MLK tshirts now.

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That’s a parody account.

58 thedopefishlives  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 4:59:24pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

You had your 15 minutes. Get off the stage.

59 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:00:22pm
60 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:01:18pm

Hope we wait to catch one of Colin Powell’s mobile sarin laboratories in the open, and just bomb that.

61 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:01:38pm

I keep hearing reporters say “surgical” - did anyone from the administration actually use that term? I’d be surprised if so.

62 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:02:27pm

Guess what party…

Mississippi sheriff indicted on 31 charges

bigstory.ap.org

63 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:03:30pm

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

AGGHHHHH! I just turned on the game and Pickles and W were walking in the middle of the field.

Looks like SMU invited a lot of empty seats to this game.

64 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:03:46pm

re: #61 Randall Gross

I keep hearing reporters say “surgical” - did anyone from the administration actually use that term? I’d be surprised if so.

I don’t think Obama has used that exact phrase.

65 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:04:03pm
66 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:05:03pm

re: #61 Randall Gross

I keep hearing reporters say “surgical” - did anyone from the administration actually use that term? I’d be surprised if so.

It went from this “…Any action that he might decide to take will be a limited and tailored response…” (Kerry) to “surgical” in nothing flat.

67 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:06:29pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Guess what party…

Mississippi sheriff indicted on 31 charges

bigstory.ap.org

What a charmer this galoot is. From the article: “The charges include fraud, extortion, embezzlement, witness tampering and perjury.”

Perhaps he aspires to higher elected office and is engaging in activities that GOP primary voters will approve of.

68 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:06:55pm

re: #62 Justanotherhuman

Guess what party…

Mississippi sheriff indicted on 31 charges

bigstory.ap.org

Doesn’t appear to be affiliated with oath keepers, so he might not be full metal wingnut.

69 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:07:26pm

re: #66 Justanotherhuman

It went from this “…Any action that he might decide to take will be a limited and tailored response…” (Kerry) to “surgical” in nothing flat.

The pony I want is a competent media in the US. I am going to be disappointed, aren’t I?

70 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:07:38pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Obama has used that exact phrase.

I’ve heard “narrow” , Limited, no boots on ground, but not surgical. That leaves a lot of options open.

71 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:07:57pm

re: #68 Randall Gross

Doesn’t appear to be affiliated with oath keepers, so he might not be full metal wingnut.

Just what we need. Another bloody useless RINO.

72 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:12:25pm

re: #70 Randall Gross

I don’t know if it’s any kind of rule, but according to Wikipedia the generally accepted definition of surgical strike implies a surprise attack. And this is certainly not going to be that.

73 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:16:11pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

I don’t know if it’s any kind of rule, but according to Wikipedia the generally accepted definition of surgical strike implies a surprise attack. And this is certainly not going to be that.

I read that the internet is down in Damascus. It will be a total surprise.

/

74 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:17:51pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

I read that the internet is down in Damascus. It will be a total surprise.

/

If they’re dependent on it, the net going down all over Syria might be the attack.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:18:55pm
76 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:19:34pm

Well, that was a stunning video. I think those boyos have got a future, unlike the planet in 1959..

77 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:20:58pm

re: #74 Decatur Deb

If they’re dependent on it, the net going down all over Syria might be the attack.

now why didn’t I think of that.

78 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:21:39pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

I hear you there. If I had to speculate there’s a few options that could fit the “narrow, limited” definition:

- bombing the units or the leaders of the units responsible for a limited period
- attacking the facilities and infrastructure for a limited time
- backing France, Turkey, and others with tech and intel (C3, battlefield coordination Nato style) while they attack the infrastructure or Units or both.
- backing foreign troop manned patriot batteries for defense of the rebels

of course those are just a few of the options.

79 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:23:11pm
80 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:23:21pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

now why didn’t I think of that.

I hear moaning and the gnashing of teeth already from Syria.

81 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:23:40pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

I don’t know if it’s any kind of rule, but according to Wikipedia the generally accepted definition of surgical strike implies a surprise attack. And this is certainly not going to be that.

So if the US does a military strike on Syria, it is supposed to:

1) be severe enough to deter future use of chemical weapons

2) be mild enough that it doesn’t alter the Syrian balance of power

3) have no surprise at all

4) not get the US bogged down in a lengthy Syrian intervention.

I can’t tell if this is a case of pick any two of the inconsistent objectives, or pick any one.

82 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:24:29pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

I hear moaning and the gnashing of teeth already from Syria.

I guess the phone lines still work, then.

/

83 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:25:27pm
84 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:27:03pm
85 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:27:48pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

So if the US does a military strike on Syria, it is supposed to:

1) be severe enough to deter future use of chemical weapons

2) be mild enough that it doesn’t alter the Syrian balance of power

3) have no surprise at all

4) not get the US bogged down in a lengthy Syrian intervention.

I can’t tell if this is a case of pick any two of the inconsistent objectives, or pick any one.

The deck is reshuffled after each pick.

86 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:27:52pm

Don’t panic!

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87 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:30:33pm

re: #83 Gus

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Google Translate is going to make me laugh while reading about Sarin. That’s not right.

But look award paternal white white hair and a nice smile does not extradite that person in charge of land for the production of WMD.

88 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:33:09pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

Google Translate is going to make me laugh while reading about Sarin. That’s not right.

Don’t forget the kids: “Armnzi lives in a private house in a neighborhood in Damascus near the place of work and has two sons - Aida and stay, and two daughters - Susannah and fucked.”

89 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:36:45pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Don’t forget the kids: “Armnzi lives in a private house in a neighborhood in Damascus near the place of work and has two sons - Aida and stay, and two daughters - Susannah and fucked.”

Ha! Funny.

90 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:38:42pm

re: #88 Justanotherhuman

Don’t forget the kids: “Armnzi lives in a private house in a neighborhood in Damascus near the place of work and has two sons - Aida and stay, and two daughters - Susannah and fucked.”

Oy…

How do they feel now, it is hard to guess, but the profile of the children of Armnzi hard to find male image with the Father, except cut image of daughter fucked with a comment that “man should not embracing (probably the father) will be my profile picture.”

91 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:40:02pm

Oh good grief, Chris Hayes has on Amy Goodman, blaming the US for being the example for using chemical weapons, going back to Vietnam, using napalm and phosphorus.

No doubt the US has been wrong about using such methods; however, to lump this admin in the same boat w/Nixon and others is irresponsible and slanted journalism.

92 teleskiguy  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:42:18pm

Just perusing the site and I see francis and his letters to the president. I was reminded of a 15-year-old Onion article.

93 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:44:46pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

Just perusing the site and I see francis and his letters to the president. I was reminded of a 15-year-old Onion article.

This was a more amusing letter writer by far than today’s pages troll:

amazon.com

94 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:46:49pm

Right now our new pal francis looks pretty harmless, and good for a WTF moment or two. Hopefully he won’t get any crazier, but remember that if a Page’s user rating falls below -10, it disappears from the list…

95 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:47:08pm
96 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:48:48pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

From what I read it was a mustard gas type of agent used, which is pretty much the most horrifying way to go that I can think of. Your lungs and skin blister together as you cough yourself to death in bloody spasms over a long period.

97 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:49:45pm

I apologize for posting something that requires a Facebook account in order to view, but this is worth signing up and then quitting, if you need to.

facebook.com

98 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:02pm
99 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:55:56pm

Later, lizards.

100 teleskiguy  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:57:43pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

That is one hell of a footballer!

101 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 5:58:33pm

Ask Greenwald. He’ll know what to do.

102 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:00:33pm

re: #97 wrenchwench

I apologize for posting something that requires a Facebook account in order to view, but this is worth signing up and then quitting, if you need to.

facebook.com

That was pretty awesome. I can’t even dribble a soccer ball, let alone do all that other stuff while dribbling a soccer ball.

103 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:01:51pm

re: #102 makeitstop

That was pretty awesome. I can’t even dribble a soccer ball, let alone do all that other stuff while dribbling a soccer ball.

I can dribble with the best of them, but not with a ball of any kind and only with my mouth.

104 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:01:52pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

That is one hell of a footballer!

Thought you were referring to the prehistoric skeleton.

105 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:03:56pm
106 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:05:45pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

Sounds like a piece of cake.
/eyeroll

107 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:13:05pm
108 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:14:18pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Oh good grief, Chris Hayes has on Amy Goodman, blaming the US for being the example for using chemical weapons, going back to Vietnam, using napalm and phosphorus.

No doubt the US has been wrong about using such methods; however, to lump this admin in the same boat w/Nixon and others is irresponsible and slanted journalism.

Sheesh. The old “it’s a chemical and it’s a weapon so it’s a prohibited chemical weapon” trick. This is a lie, a stupid word game. Ask yourselves, how is napalm a “chemical weapon” but trinitrotoluene (TNT) is not? It’s simple, it isn’t. “Chemical weapon” is a euphemism for substances that kill by chemically toxic effect, ie poison gases and aerosols. It specifically excludes substances that kill by gross physical effect, which incendiaries certainly do.
Shit like this is the reason I do not believe in the sincerity of any peace activist.

109 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:18:34pm

Wheelchair hack lets two-year-old explore on his own

[Shea’s] son [Alejandro] was born with Spinal Muscular Atrophy which limits his ability to move. The ability to explore one’s environment as a toddler is really important to development so [Shea] and his wife have been looking into assistive technology. Their health insurance paid for a medical stroller when he was nine-months old and has told the family they need to wait five years for a powered wheelchair. Rather than wait, [Shea] took it upon himself to hack a wheelchair his son could control.

He found a used adult-sized motorized wheelchair on eBay for about $800. Not cheap, but way more affordable than a brand new unit. This type of chair is made to be controlled with a joystick, an option not available to his son at this point. Foot control was an option if he could figure out how to build an interface.

Youtube Video

110 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:19:48pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Oh good grief, Chris Hayes has on Amy Goodman, blaming the US for being the example for using chemical weapons, going back to Vietnam, using napalm and phosphorus.

No doubt the US has been wrong about using such methods; however, to lump this admin in the same boat w/Nixon and others is irresponsible and slanted journalism.

Assad can use chemical weapons against Syrian citizens because what we did in Vietnam.

Thanks for clearing that up Amy and thanks for going on the record how anyone can do anything because there is something that America did wrong in its history.

And now I no longer wonder why some people think the left hates America.

111 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:19:50pm

re: #91 Justanotherhuman

Oh good grief, Chris Hayes has on Amy Goodman, blaming the US for being the example for using chemical weapons, going back to Vietnam, using napalm and phosphorus.

No doubt the US has been wrong about using such methods; however, to lump this admin in the same boat w/Nixon and others is irresponsible and slanted journalism.

I really liked Hayes when he filled in for Maddow. Never got around to watching his first show, because screw getting up that early for politics on the weekend.

I was going to add the primetime show to my podcast list, but now? Good Lord, Hayes is going to blame Obama for Pearl Harbor next.

112 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:27:03pm

Why would Hayes have Amy Goodman on in the first place? Isn’t she, in theory, competition?

Is Hayes trying to get worse ratings?

113 elizajane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:27:13pm

re: #110 b.d.

Assad can use chemical weapons against Syrian citizens because what we did in Vietnam.

Thanks for clearing that up Amy and thanks for going on the record how anyone can do anything because there is something that America did wrong in its history.

And now I no longer wonder why some people think the left hates America.

They don’t really believe it: it’s just a selective way of forwarding their own agenda. I mean, you didn’t hear them jumping up and down saying “Why shouldn’t South Africa have apartheid? We did it!”

114 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:28:13pm


Zzzzzzzz.

115 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:28:27pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

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Yes.
Next question!

116 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:30:36pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

The Nation goes full-on metal WingbatDudeprogEmonut.

That’s the truth. Look at this gem from the comment section:

One year ago, I was campaigning to re-elect Barack Obama. Today, I would support his impeachment. (Though I STILL stand by my vote, given the alternative)

WTF? Now the dudebros are calling for impeachment.

I’ve been calling myself liberal for a while now, but given the dudebro uprising, I’m trying to come up with a new label.

Dudebros. Fucking idiots, everyone.

117 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:32:21pm

re: #116 Mattand

That’s the truth. Look at this gem from the comment section:

WTF? Now the dudebros are calling for impeachment.

I’ve been calling myself liberal for a while now, but given the dudebro uprising, I’m trying to come up with a new label.

Dudebros. Fucking idiots, everyone.

They are an odd strain of libertarian.

118 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:32:33pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Now that Caribou Barbie has weighed in I’d say the debate is OVER, people.

Yes she IS the idiot.

119 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:32:34pm

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel

I know peace activists you’d respect, and who don’t confuse the two, ‘cuz they’re veterans. I used to bartend at a place with a lot of Vietnam Vets who’d gone the hippy pacifist route afterwards. There was a core group of four infantry guys, an air cav guy, a couple of medics who were basically still acting as the medics after all that time, they were by far the most responsible out of all of them. Anyway, they were nice happy friendly drinkers and were all part of Veterans for Peace. They’re occasionally a little dumb on Israel but otherwise a good group, and these guys were very much just “If you knew what it was like you’d never let your boy go”.

I miss those dudes.

120 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:32:37pm

re: #116 Mattand

I’ve always called myself a Social Democrat.

121 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:32:52pm

re: #114 Gus

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Zzzzzzzz.

Spy agencies carried out spy missions. Gee, thanks, WaPo. In other news, water is wet.

For his sake, I sure hope Bezos kept the receipt.

122 EPR-radar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:33:33pm

re: #116 Mattand

That’s the truth. Look at this gem from the comment section:

WTF? Now the dudebros are calling for impeachment.

I’ve been calling myself liberal for a while now, but given the dudebro uprising, I’m trying to come up with a new label.

Dudebros. Fucking idiots, everyone.

As long as morons like this stay far away from the levers of power in the Democratic party, they are relatively harmless.

123 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:34:57pm

re: #117 Pavlovian Hive Mind

They are an odd strain of libertarian.

Thus Righties who climbed their side of the mountain and fell a little down the other side.

124 b.d.  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:35:07pm

re: #114 Gus

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Zzzzzzzz.

Explain to me please how disrupting foreign computer networks infringes on my 4th amendment rights?

125 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:36:03pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

As long as morons like this stay far away from the levers of power in the Democratic party, they are relatively harmless.

They create confusion among the children, and a schande to the moderates.

126 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:37:49pm

re: #124 b.d.

Explain to me please how disrupting foreign computer networks infringes on my 4th amendment rights?

Because Snowden and Greenwald say “Shut up, Obama lackey!”, that’s how.

127 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:44:25pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Thus Righties who climbed their side of the mountain and fell a little down the other side.

No, lefties who fell down the other side.
;)

128 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:45:21pm

re: #127 Pavlovian Hive Mind

No, lefties who fell down the other side.
;)

Yeah, could be. The air gets thin up around the summit.

129 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:46:26pm

Youtube Video

Lol.

131 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:50:18pm

Syria and its Russian sponsors will have the benefit of a large and well-armed Fifth Column in this country, in the form of the numerous RT.com worshiping libertarians and conservatives out here in flyover country. The chairman of our yokel libertarian party declares that Kremlin backed RT.com is the only reliable news source in the world. He also believes that this really is about the IMF and Syria’s hostility to Israel, that is (of course) the Juice and their alleged control over Obama.

132 teleskiguy  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:51:56pm

Hey Charles, what’s the record for number of comments on a page?

133 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 6:59:04pm
134 Mattand  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:00:17pm

re: #130 Gus

Julian Assange told: stop using embassy to make fun of politicians

Ecuador: untarnished bastion of free speech.

135 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:05:21pm
136 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:10:45pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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What a sight.

137 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:12:01pm

Ok, I just found a news story on this.

In terms of class of crime, what is “Carrying an open container of alcohol” and “Grand Theft Ambulance.”

138 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:13:37pm

I’ve been ambivalent about a strike on Syria, partly because I hate the idea of still more war. I am still not happy with it, but my position is shifting. We have the justification, but I have doubted that we had the credibility to do it. There seems to be a significant risk of something worse succeeding the Assad regime, although it may be selling the Syrian people short to expect that a fanatical Islamist regime can actually reverse 60 years of secularism and hold power there.
I also think there is little risk of a confrontation with the Russians over this. Putin is nothing if not rational so he knows that his alliance with Assad has outlived its usefulness. Otoh, it would bring confrontation with Iran, which is unlikely to go well for the Iranians and which would provide an opportunity to isolate and destroy the Hezbollah forces in the Levant once and for all.
Domestically it will serve to galvanize the disloyal, insane conspiracist forces of right and left, bringing them into the open and allowing them to be seen for the antisemites, racists, and liars they really are.

139 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:21:33pm

re: #137 ProTARDISLiberal

The story in question:

Cesar Garcia steals Chandler ambulance, drives to Guadalupe home

A Guadalupe man walked out of an Arizona police station Sunday morning and allegedly decided to steal an ambulance and drive home.

Joe Favazzo, spokesman for the Chandler Police Department, said 33-year-old Cesar Garcia was arrested Sunday morning for having an open container at a store near north Alma School Road and Warner Road.

He was released with a citation for the misdemeanor crime.

According to police, Garcia then hopped into a parked ambulance and drove it to his home in Guadalupe.

The suspect originally told police he would walk home. The ambulance was located by the Tempe Police Department a short time later.

Memo to Cesar: You escalated your crime by several fucktons.

From at a low-level misdemeanor to a high-level felony. How stupid is this guy?

140 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:24:52pm
141 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:25:48pm

Hezbollah is dead meat if Assad falls, and they know it.

142 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:32:23pm

Kremlin upset about censorship
Russia Today partially banned by Reddit

143 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:33:40pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Hezbollah is dead meat if Assad falls, and they know it.

They still have most of their backing from Iran so they’ll be just fine for a while longer.

144 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:36:06pm
145 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:40:13pm


Derp.

146 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:45:27pm

Wow. I just … wow. Washington Post.

Sex Between Students and Teachers Should Not Be a Crime

147 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 7:52:49pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

They still have most of their backing from Iran so they’ll be just fine for a while longer.

I don’t think so. Syria has long been the primary conduit for Iranian weapons shipments to Hezbollah, as well as providing a sanctuary for rest, training, and storage. That would have to come through Lebanon entirely if Assad falls. Pressure from Syria was a major factor in assuring Lebanese cooperation in the past. Without it, Hezbollah will be unable to maintain the facilities and control they have now in Lebanon, let alone expand it to make up for the loss of Syrian support.

148 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:00:19pm

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|:NOPE::|[_I___,
|_.-.____I__.-~;|
`(_)————(_)”

149 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:00:57pm

ASSange

ASSad

Coincidence? I think not.

150 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:01:02pm

re: #148 Gus

.————.__
|:NOPE::|[_I___,
|_.-.____I__.-~;|
`(_)————(_)”

CHOO CHOO!

151 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:01:27pm

I still think Hezbollah will be fine. Their oversized influence in Lebanese political structure has been bought and paid for and is well entrenched into the system. Hezbollah may overplay their hand by igniting Sunni/Shia tensions (as they did with the mosque bombing last week) or trying to entice Israel into action but their influence in Lebanon will probably continue until the mullahs lose power in Iran. It’ll happen eventually but probably not any time soon.
It does look like the Arab Spring might eventually be the end of political Islam. It will take a while longer.

152 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:02:35pm

Nice theocracy you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to it.

153 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:07:29pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

re: #150 Pavlovian Hive Mind

CHOO CHOO!

Let me on.

Next stop.

Fuckthatville.

154 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:10:09pm

I think we’ll probably see Hamas fail without support from Muslim Bros in Egypt. That could happen within a year or two.

155 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:11:44pm

The navy is still growing near Syria.

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:11:51pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

That should help Libya too. Without funding by the MB, their creation of logjams and upkeeping of militias stop, and Benghazi and Zintan bring Misrata to heel.

157 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:13:30pm

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158 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:15:45pm

Meanwhile, a candidate (TRIPLE-WORD-SCORE BONUS: GUESS WHICH PARTY) for Attorney General here in the State That Sorely Misses Molly Ivins advises everyone to marry as soon as you’re old enough to start squeezing out the kids, have as many kids as possible, and homeschool them all, because 9 million households doing exactly that couldn’t possibly fuck up anything. Also, punish single parents with higher taxes.

Our good friend David Barton has done some wonderful research…

[snip]

An officeholder for abortion is also likely an officeholder who will take away your gun, take away your money, take away your freedom to assemble, take away your freedom of speech, and take away your freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.

[snip]

So make it easy on yourself. Don’t’ have sex until you get married, get married at a relatively early age, and then have lots of kids. Contrary to conventional wisdom, having kids early, not late, is liberating for you and your wife. You will never ever regret it, and our economy will thank you for it.

You may think this is “only” a fringe kook candidate, and you’re right, of course. But this is Texas in the Age of Obama, which means that a good old-fashioned criminal dirtbag like Tom DeLay just can’t cut it anymore. These perilous {end} times call for batshit crazy characters like Louie “Terror Babies” Gohmert and Michael “Baby Boys Wank in the Womb” Burgess.

159 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:16:26pm

re: #19 Amory Blaine

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160 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:19:54pm

re: #145 Gus

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Derp.

That reminds me of the sort of shit Destro used to post here before Charles banned his troll ass. I bet that troll is just tickled pink by Glenn Greenwald.


/spits

161 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:36:49pm

re: #140 Gus

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I am Wonder Woman.

162 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:46:02pm
163 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:46:10pm

re: #161 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I am Wonder Woman.

orly?

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164 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:48:41pm

re: #162 Gus

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Feeling are funny things, aren’t they?

165 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:49:41pm

Definitions:

1) Limited attack: Not unlimited, as in “We will not turn your country into a glassy slag heap from border to border.”

2) Tailored response: See definition #1.

That leaves a lot of room, doesn’t it? Given that 1.5% of Syrian casualties over the past two years were generated in around an hour (a good working definition of WMD), I expect the rhetoric of the day is playing down just how robust the response is going to be. The Syrians have about $1 billion worth of Mig 29s. They have several billion invested in their air defense systems.

Destroying them wouldn’t significantly change the war on the ground, but it would result in a tremendous amount of butthurt for the regime, costing them scads of money and making them much more vulnerable within the region. If you don’t think it can be done, you don’t know your history:

en.wikipedia.org

166 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:53:59pm

re: #162 Gus

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Aaaah, so cute. So sweet!

Damn good thing that there is no propaganda coming out of this conflict through social media, innit?

167 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:58:28pm
168 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 8:59:16pm

re: #166 austin_blue

Aaaah, so cute. So sweet!

Damn good thing that there is no propaganda coming out of this conflict through social media, innit?

I don’t know. Most people have been ignoring Syria for that past 2 1/2 years save the folks I follow from the ME.

169 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:00:11pm

re: #168 Gus

I follow it because I have friends who have links there.

170 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:08:05pm

re: #168 Gus

I don’t know. Most people have been ignoring Syria for that past 2 1/2 years save the folks I follow from the ME.

I understand, but still- kittens?

It’s not what soldiers do. Their job is to kill the enemy.

Propaganda is as propaganda does. Spin the spin.

Whee!

171 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:08:30pm
172 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:11:03pm

re: #170 austin_blue

I understand, but still- kittens?

It’s not what soldiers do. Their job is to kill the enemy.

Propaganda is as propaganda does. Spin the spin.

Whee!

Well you know. That’s precisely why I Tweeted that. Not kidding either.

173 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:14:36pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Hezbollah is dead meat if Assad falls, and they know it.

First off, hope the move out of Lubbutock has gone well.

Secondly, and as to your point, it all depends on who or what fills the vacuum. I suspect the Saudis will have some leverage in that transition. The Magic Kingdom has major stroke.

174 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:16:33pm

re: #173 austin_blue

First off, hope the move out of Lubbutock has gone well.

Secondly, and as to your point, it all depends on who or what fills the vacuum. I suspect the Saudis will have some leverage in that transition. The Magic Kingdom has major stroke.

Cause of death: stroke. //

175 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:17:50pm

re: #174 Gus

Cause of death: stroke. //

Hah!

Clever boots.

176 Gus  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:22:03pm

The Revolutionary War could have been avoided.
— Mother Jones

177 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:23:19pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

Wow. I just … wow. Washington Post.

Sex Between Students and Teachers Should Not Be a Crime

Just read the article, and I am agog at it. She really is justifying, at some very fundamental level, child rape, isn’t she? Unbelievable.

178 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:25:35pm

re: #165 austin_blue

Definitions:

1) Limited attack: Not unlimited, as in “We will not turn your country into a glassy slag heap from border to border.”

2) Tailored response: See definition #1.

That leaves a lot of room, doesn’t it? Given that 1.5% of Syrian casualties over the past two years were generated in around an hour (a good working definition of WMD), I expect the rhetoric of the day is playing down just how robust the response is going to be. The Syrians have about $1 billion worth of Mig 29s. They have several billion invested in their air defense systems.

Destroying them wouldn’t significantly change the war on the ground, but it would result in a tremendous amount of butthurt for the regime, costing them scads of money and making them much more vulnerable within the region. If you don’t think it can be done, you don’t know your history:

en.wikipedia.org

If we go that route, we should open up by flying F-15s and F-16s in, broadcasting the following in the the clear to the MiG-29 bases:

“Syrians, come up and play! Syrians, come up and play!”

/Kidding mostly, but I’d be just fine with letting them get their fighters airborne. Our pilots need to get themselves some kills.

179 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:25:38pm

re: #176 Gus

The Revolutionary War could have been avoided.
— Mother Jones

Huh?

180 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:28:22pm

re: #170 austin_blue

I understand, but still- kittens?

It’s not what soldiers do. Their job is to kill the enemy.

Propaganda is as propaganda does. Spin the spin.

Whee!

It’s like our own soldiers adopting a stray dog as unit mascot. And as far war goes it still makes great sense, for cats are as well designed for killing as an AKM.

182 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:29:37pm

re: #179 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Huh?

It’s “Late Night Gus”, Varek. He’s mocking things he thinks are stupid, as only Gus can. Don’t worry about it, he’s mostly harmless.

183 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:31:24pm

Never gets old.
NSFW.
Youtube Video

184 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:37:05pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

It’s like our own soldiers adopting a stray dog as unit mascot. And as far war goes it still makes great sense, for cats are as well designed for killing as an AKM.

Unless you are “feeding” them with water. Then they are just hydrated but still starving to death. Look at the picture again.

185 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:46:08pm

re: #184 austin_blue

Unless you are “feeding” them with water. Then they are just hydrated but still starving to death. Look at the picture again.

it’s just one photo, Austin. He might well have fed the cat two minutes after the picture was taken.

186 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:50:51pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

it’s just one photo, Austin. He might well have fed the cat two minutes after the picture was taken.

Then that would have been the lead, yes? It’s not like he was in the middle of a firefight. That’s why it’s called propaganda. It makes things that are bullshit seem real.

187 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:51:31pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

It also shows that this particular soldier still has a shred of humanity left.

That will be one problem with Syria post-war.

Syria will be suffering from residents of New Orleans have been dealing with since Katrina 8 years ago, and New Yorkers have been suffering with for almost 12. Society-wide PTSD.

I really wish we could put more emphasis on Refugee-Immigration than what we do now. We are one country large enough to absorb large groups of people at a time, and not blink.

188 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 9:55:36pm

re: #187 ProTARDISLiberal

It also shows that this particular soldier still has a shred of humanity left.

That will be one problem with Syria post-war.

Syria will be suffering from residents of New Orleans have been dealing with since Katrina 8 years ago, and New Yorkers have been suffering with for almost 12. Society-wide PTSD.

I really wish we could put more emphasis on Refugee-Immigration than what we do now. We are one country large enough to absorb large groups of people at a time, and not blink.

Letting in large numbers of seriously damaged Muslims would be violently unpopular and no bill to allow them in could clear either house of Congress.

189 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:02:32pm

That sounds exactly like what was said about the Irish Catholics after the Irish Potato Famine, and what was said about the Eastern Europeans.

I find it to me unacceptable.

We could use people like them as citizens, much more so than people like my father.

190 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:12:00pm

re: #187 ProTARDISLiberal

I really wish we could put more emphasis on Refugee-Immigration than what we do now. We are one country large enough to absorb large groups of people at a time, and not blink.

We live in a country filled with millions of immigrants doing the work that Americans won’t do, and a bunch of Americans that would either deport, imprison or shoot those people. You honestly think those same Americans would willingly go along with taking in large numbers of refugees? Keep dreaming.

191 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:14:49pm

re: #190 Lidane

We live in a country filled with millions of immigrants doing the work that Americans won’t do, and a bunch of Americans that would either deport, imprison or shoot those people. You honestly think those same Americans would willingly go along with taking in large numbers of refugees? Keep dreaming.

And before going to bed I’ll add that I wasn’t trying to gloat or mock any point of view with my #188. It was intended as a piece of dispassionate analysis and contains no subtext.

Good Night, All.

192 Lidane  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:32:35pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Subtext isn’t needed. It’s a blatant thing.

We’ve got a permanent underclass in this country made up of millions of immigrants that come here to do the work no American wants to do. We benefit from that work. At the same time, there are people who would deport, imprison, or shoot those same immigrants and their families.

If we suddenly decided that we were going to open our borders to millions of refugees, all hell would break loose in this country.

193 Kragar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:35:54pm

Republican Mississippi sheriff indicted on 31 counts for abusing powers

The sheriff for Jackson County, Mississippi was indicted Friday on 31 criminal counts and accused of abusing his position to not only order a female deputy to give him sexual favors, but pursue a murder case against the wishes of an investigating detective.

WKRG-TV reported on Friday that the charges against Sheriff Mike Byrd include 10 counts of embezzlement, and 10 counts of fraud, two counts of extortion and one count of perjury, among other charges. Authorities contend that Byrd, a Republican currently in his fourth term in office, has used his position to target personal and political opponents and fudge his record to boost his re-election prospects.

One of the extortion charges in the indictment concerns an accusation that Byrd threatened the deputy in 2012 with a “bad recommendation to other law enforcement agencies” if she did not perform sexual acts and left the department. When she refused, the deputy was forbidden from taking part in a department program and moved to another work station in retaliation.

194 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:41:58pm

re: #192 Lidane

And I want things to be better, even though they aren’t now.

People like my father are the problem in this country. Personally, I have found many immigrants to the US to be better Americans than those born here. I could easily see my father voting for an American Version of the UKIP or Australia’s One Nation Party.

195 Kragar  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 10:45:15pm

And apparently Kessler was a no show for his hearing and his suspension has been made indefinite.

I predict a stand-off with actual police in his future.

196 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Aug 30, 2013 11:08:23pm

re: #177 austin_blue

She’s blurring the distinction between college-age affairs with faculty and younger-age seductions by faculty, either in her muddled head or in her muddled prose.

You could make an argument that someone 16 or older (mileage may vary) is old enough to deal with having an affair with a teacher, that is to say, be somewhat an equal partner in the affair, but such arguments have no merit when dealing with students 15 and under. Then we are talking about clear-cut child rape/molestation. The writer does not address this issue at all, even while mentioning the statutory rape conviction involving a 14-year-old.

197 freetoken  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 12:04:43am

re: #146 Charles Johnson

She writes:

To the best of my knowledge, these situations were all consensual in every honest meaning of the word, even if society would like to embrace the fantasy that a high school student can’t consent to sex.

That’s quite some fallacy there.

I look at this in a way that is similar to Lewinsky and Clinton - yes, it was “consensual” but it was still wrong, and I’m not talking about wedding vows (although that is another problem.)

Inherent in human relationships is the asymmetry that exists due to authority, power, and influence. In my eyes the problem with a teenage student having sex with their teacher is in the very structure of the relationship having already been forced upon the student (by their parents and by the law). By the nature of compulsory education the student has no choice to consent being there or being in a relationship with everyone around her, whether they be other students or admin and teachers.

Karasik is fixated on “sex” without really accepting that humans will bond to those who are in their immediate surroundings whether or not they chose to originally be there of their own free will. Students will bond to their teachers, at least until something forces them away. We as humans all do this - this is why society even exists.

Maybe this is too marxist of me, but society is not a set of equal relationships. Rather, it is composed of a spectrum of asymmetric relationships, which on occasion some may seem “equal”.

The authority dynamic in a teacher-student relationship, to me anyway, rules out the idea of romantic encounters between them, at least well until a later age.

198 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 12:07:45am

re: #181 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Behind the Saga to Bring a Giant RoboCop Statue to Detroit

“There were better uses for the money!”

Why does nobody ever make that argument when a sports team wants the city to cover the costs for yet another new stadium?

199 freetoken  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 12:43:21am

MP3 Audio

200 sagehen  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 1:53:14am

I just finished watching Season 1 of Homeland, and…

Spoiler

Poor Carrie!! She’s crazy, everybody knows she’s crazy, she knows she’s crazy, people call her crazy to her face, treat her like she’s crazy, nobody will listen to her because she’s crazy, but…

SHE’S RIGHT!! About everything, every goddamned step of the way, and she saved *everybody* even if nobody knows it. Her kind of crazy isn’t delusional, ain’t nothing wrong with her logic circuits. Poor dear. I can’t wait to get to the first part of season 2, to find out what the evidence is going to be to make others realize that crazy doesn’t mean wrong. And how she gets her job back.

(p.s., I kinda hate Estes and Walden; and I wish I didn’t love Saul so much, because I’ve seen the back half of season 2).

201 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 3:12:29am

This is chilling.

White Supremacist Felon Caught With 18 Guns, 45,000 Bullets And A List Of Black & Jewish Leaders

thinkprogress.org

Steve should get out more.

“I can’t tell you how he got all those guns and ammunition,” U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach told the Plain Dealer. “It’s not that I won’t tell you; it’s that I can’t. This is somebody who should never have had one gun, one bullet. But he had an entire arsenal.”

Gun shows, friends, straw purchasers—the black market exists, too.

202 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 3:33:47am

re: #195 Kragar

And apparently Kessler was a no show for his hearing and his suspension has been made indefinite.

I predict a stand-off with actual police in his future within the month.

FTFY.

203 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 4:32:45am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi

She’s blurring the distinction between college-age affairs with faculty and younger-age seductions by faculty, either in her muddled head or in her muddled prose.

You could make an argument that someone 16 or older (mileage may vary) is old enough to deal with having an affair with a teacher, that is to say, be somewhat an equal partner in the affair, but such arguments have no merit when dealing with students 15 and under. Then we are talking about clear-cut child rape/molestation. The writer does not address this issue at all, even while mentioning the statutory rape conviction involving a 14-year-old.

She also doesn’t address the question of pregnancy, either. For what person in her life is she trying to make a defense? Or didn’t she have anything better to do the day she wrote that? betsykarasik.com

Are we supposed to break down the barrier between the second most important “authority” figure in a kid’s life, a teacher, simply to satisfy this woman’s illogical opinion? A real adult doesn’t engage his or her selfish fantasies with under-aged kids, no matter who they are. It is not an equal relationship under any circumstances.

204 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:01:27am

Arab ministers to meet Sunday on Syria: Arab League

blogs.aljazeera.com

In Nov 2011, the AL suspended Syria, but that doesn’t seem to have affected Assad.

205 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:12:16am

re: #203 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, her argument is a little odd in some respects. I get one of her points, that it’s possible in some cases that the student was a willful and willing participant in a teacher-student romance. Setting aside the question of the ethics of such an affair, I’ve known high school students who were pretty mature and were dating college guys because, well, high school boys are often really immature, if not complete dopes. Karasik doesn’t get into the ethical question at all, which bothers me more as a teacher than the sex question does. There is such a power disparity in teacher-student relationships that it makes good sense to set down limits on how close teachers and students can get emotionally as well as physically. Additionally, schools and teachers are acting in loco parentis legally, so any sort of sexy shenanigans is a clear violation of the school’s and teacher’s legal, moral and ethical standing. This is one big reason why people get so bent out of shape when teachers are caught bonking their students. The other big reason, which Karasik tries to present, is that American society would like to pretend that teenagers and teachers don’t ever think about sex and love at all, never, ever. A century ago, a married female teacher had to quit her teaching job once she got pregnant, because … I have no idea. Now, people freak out when decent teachers are discovered to have posed nude or done a porn flick when they were young and stupid. Teachers are supposed to be like monks and nuns, or saints.

I’ve taught for 30 years, and of course been a high school student. In all those 34 years, there were only a handful of clear-cut cases of teacher-student dalliances. In each case, the teacher in question was sacked, but I am not aware of any criminal charges being filed. And I am speaking only of pre-college students. College is a whole ‘nuther ball of wax.

206 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:34:59am

re: #205 wheat-dogghazi

Yes, loco parentis was exactly what I was trying to get across.

When a person reaches 18, which is usually, but not always, the case in college, then it’s different, because the “child” is legally an adult (but some are still stupid in many respects). And even that can upset the balance between student/teacher because it brings ethics into play on the part of the instructor or professor and is a lesson many times in using sexuality to get what you want for the student—more attention, better grades, etc, in addition to causing all kinds of complications among peers, etc.

I come from an entirely different era, but I do remember having “crushes” on certain teachers, both male and female in HS. It would have never occurred to me to have a sexual relationship with any of them, and when I was 15, I finally met a boy. Three years, and 2 “boys” later, I was married and pregnant, and 3 yrs later, was divorced w/2 children. Neither of us was ready for any of it, esp him (he wanted an “open” marriage—I didn’t).

I think in many ways teens today are mature in a lot of areas, even precocious, but that doesn’t mean they’re emotionally ready for what they’re learning so early.

207 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:44:42am

re: #193 Kragar

This would be my local sheriff. Lovely.

208 freetoken  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 5:50:16am

Unusually, oppressively humid in San Diego county this morning. The flow of air is up from the south, and the past day or two the precipitable water in the atmosphere has been at near record highs. It hasn’t rained west of the mountains and it probably won’t today either, but it feels like it should.

Give me back my desert!

209 freetoken  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:02:12am

The bar for “claim to fame” must be set pretty low these days:

Google denies it has shifted billionaire co-founder Sergey Brin’s mistress Amanda Rosenberg to new job

THE girlfriend at the centre of the split between Google co-founder Sergey Brin and his wife may still be working side by side with her billionaire beau in the wake of the bombshell office romance that has rocked Silicon Valley.
“They moved her out from under his supervision,” a source in the San Francisco Googleplex said of Internet side dish Amanda Rosenberg, 27, as her secret relationship with Brin became public.


[…]

Rosenberg’s claim to fame was coming up with the command, “OK, Glass,” to activate Google Glass, the company’s head-mounted computer.

[…]

210 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:03:51am

re: #195 Kragar

And apparently Kessler was a no show for his hearing and his suspension has been made indefinite.

I predict a stand-off with actual police in his future.

If Fortune is decent. If she is kind, Kessler would be successful arrested while on the move and brought in for the psychiatric help he so badly needs. If she is unkind, he may try to shoot up a City Council meeting of his municipality. The guy has “workplace shooter” written all over him.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:05:06am

re: #208 freetoken

Unusually, oppressively humid in San Diego county this morning. The flow of air is up from the south, and the past day or two the precipitable water in the atmosphere has been at near record highs. It hasn’t rained west of the mountains and it probably won’t today either, but it feels like it should.

Give me back my desert!

Welcome to my world, baby! And here’s some more good news for ya’.

212 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:08:31am

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

Welcome to my world, baby! And here’s some more good news for ya’.

Did you put too much sugar in your coffee this morning???
;)

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:11:58am

re: #212 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Did you put too much sugar in your coffee this morning???
;)

No, I’ve just got less pain and stress this morning than I’ve had in awhile.

214 freetoken  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:16:11am

This is America, 2013, and this is one of your medical doctors:

Navigating the Worlds of Science and Faith

To the Editor:

Adam Frank, in “Welcome to the Age of Denial” (Op-Ed, Aug. 22), seems bitter that no one is listening to him and his fellow astrophysicists. After all, they have found the truth.

Let me remind Dr. Frank that the theory of relativity is still a theory, as is the Big Bang theory. As a physician in private practice for almost 25 years, I have made it a point to have an open discourse with my patients when they question medical or scientific fact. Too often I have seen outcomes defy those facts.

Let those of us who may have been educated in the ivory towers of academia abandon the notion that we belong to a society that holds knowledge of the universal truths of humankind and the cosmos. They should be used as guidelines rather than as intransigent blocks to creative approaches and thought.

The universal truth that I live by is the understanding that the challenges of everyday life have a way of creating individual realities that, to scientists, may fly in the face of logic and fact; however, they are logical and factual to those who experience and live with them.

CHARLES F. GLASSMAN
Pomona, N.Y., Aug. 22, 2013


The writer is an internist.

215 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:19:14am

re: #214 freetoken

This is America, 2013, and this is one of your medical doctors:

Navigating the Worlds of Science and Faith

Youtube Video

216 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 6:55:38am

re: #214 freetoken

MDs and engineers: two groups who should understand what science is and how it works, and usually don’t.

The doc probably thinks germs are just a theory, too.

217 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:17:55am

re: #214 freetoken

This is America, 2013, and this is one of your medical doctors:

Navigating the Worlds of Science and Faith

Dr. Glassman, Self-Promoter. charlesglassmanmd.com

“As a Fellow of the American College of Physicians and Life Extension Foundation member, Dr. Glassman approaches medicine in an integrative manner, looking carefully at all traditionally approved methods while recognizing the power of unconventional therapies.”

Does that include “faith” healing of some sort?

218 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:20:33am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

Dr. Glassman, Self-Promoter. charlesglassmanmd.com

“As a Fellow of the American College of Physicians and Life Extension Foundation member, Dr. Glassman approaches medicine in an integrative manner, looking carefully at all traditionally approved methods while recognizing the power of unconventional therapies.”

Does that include “faith” healing of some sort?

From what I understand, no. This guy just seems like one of those “Question Authority!” dudebro types. He probably thinks Edward Snowden is just the cat’s meow, too.

219 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:25:38am

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

From what I understand, no. This guy just seems like one of those “Question Authority!” dudebro types. He probably thinks Edward Snowden is just the cat’s meow, too.

Whenever I see “unconventional therapies” I smell snake oil of some sort.

He probably gets a lot of patients who think a “positive attitude” (gleaned from reading his book, of course) is going to allow them to live unfettered by aging until 100 yrs. Of course, those trips to Switzerland and other locations to get those “unconventional” therapies will empty your wallet, too.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:27:28am

Superhero wannabe shoots arrow wrapped with marijuana at county jail, tells police he was aiming at squirrel

A Washington man drew the string of his bow, aimed at the second-floor recreation area of the Whatcom County jail, and loosed an arrow with a baggie of marijuana attached to it.

An apparent fan of Legolas, Hawkeye and Catniss Everdeen, 36-year-old David Wayne Jordan, discovered a tricky way to smuggle drugs into the penitentiary.

The-bow-and-arrow-weed-killer fired the projectile high into the sky, toward a mesh screen near the top of the second-story, fresh-air exercise area for inmates, said Whatcom County Sheriff, Bill Elfo.

Evidently, Jordan was no crack shot. Instead of hitting his target, the arrow landed harmlessly on the room.

SNIP

While in custody, Jordan told authorities he was aiming at a squirrel (a secret squirrel?), though he failed to comment if the attached baggie of marijuana was a flight stabilizer or just a generous gift to the rodent.

Squirrel!

221 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:27:48am

re: #217 Justanotherhuman

Dr. Glassman, Self-Promoter. charlesglassmanmd.com

“As a Fellow of the American College of Physicians and Life Extension Foundation member, Dr. Glassman approaches medicine in an integrative manner, looking carefully at all traditionally approved methods while recognizing the power of unconventional therapies.”

Does that include “faith” healing of some sort?

He might be “woo” friendly, though. I use “woo” in the same sense as doc Orac at Respectful Insolence does.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:30:06am

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Superhero wannabe shoots arrow wrapped with marijuana at county jail, tells police he was aiming at squirrel

SNIP

Squirrel!

And unlike most stories, this one has no comments that are offensive and one that actually has a good pun:

Brian J. Schmidt * Top Commenter
“David Wayne Jordan probably played one too many video games to think he could pull off the required crack shot.”
It wasn’t a “crack shot”, it was a “pot shot”…
Reply * 2 *
* 22 hours ago

223 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:34:58am

And so it goes…

Five killed in Baghdad mosque shooting

english.alarabiya.net

Sectarianism isn’t going away any time soon in the ME.

224 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:47:55am

I hate to hear people complaining about “abuse of power” when they have no idea of how their own govt works.

And can’t even locate Syria on a map.

But there is a Black man in the WH, you know.

225 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:47:56am

re: #181 Pavlovian Hive Mind

226 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:52:31am
227 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:53:31am

re: #225 darthstar

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Nah, Detroit needs COMPSTAT far more than Robocop.

228 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:55:31am

re: #226 darthstar

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I don’t know Sarah. You’ve never heard of Rwanda where Rwandans were killing Rwandans. Yes, she’s an idiot.

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:55:32am

re: #226 darthstar

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Retweeted, though PWNing Sarah Palin is a low difficulty activity.

230 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:55:53am

Thousands gather in Trafalgar Square at Rally to protest against proposed Washington / CIA warmongering in Syria.


US/CIA “warmongering”? Really?

231 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:56:58am

Patriots released Tim Tebow so we’ll be hearing from football experts like Pat Robertson about how God will punish them but they already had a leaky secondary before Tebow even was drafted let alone joined their team.

232 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:58:00am

God shows love for New England fans, gets Patriots to drop Tebow.

233 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 7:59:56am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Patriots released Tim Tebow so we’ll be hearing from football experts like Pat Robertson about how God will punish them but they already had a leaky secondary before Tebow even was drafted let alone joined their team.

Tebow is yesterday’s news, unless he can find a team that can find some way to use him effectively. He still could make an effective Tight End, IMO.

234 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:01:16am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Tebow is yesterday’s news, unless he can find a team that can find some way to use him effectively. He still could make an effective Tight End, IMO.

Well the first key is getting him to realize he should play TE. I don’t actually dislike the guy- hate the hype surrounding him- but he needs to realize he’s not a NFL QB.It’s okay. Only .01% of us are.

235 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:01:44am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Tebow is yesterday’s news, unless he can find a team that can find some way to use him effectively. He still could make an effective Tight End, IMO.

he’ll pass through waivers and the Patriots will re-sign him to the practice squad

When they play a team that runs the read option, Tebows job will be to ‘act’ as the opposing QB in practices that week

236 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:03:16am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Tebow is yesterday’s news, unless he can find a team that can find some way to use him effectively. He still could make an effective Tight End, IMO.

The Patriots disagree.

237 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:04:09am

re: #236 darthstar

The Patriots disagree.

And that’s OK.

238 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:05:39am

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

Thousands gather in Trafalgar Square at Rally to protest against proposed Washington / CIA warmongering in Syria. pic.twitter.com/DdgkPYTyYs

US/CIA “warmongering”? Really?

Always nice to see fans of the Soviet Union are still around
breakingnews.com

239 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:07:46am

re: #236 darthstar

The Patriots disagree.

Not needed

They like the three tight ends they have on the roster already

carrying 4 TE’s is a luxury they don’t want/ need,, especially one that has never played the position

240 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:08:44am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Always nice to see fans of the Soviet Union are still around
breakingnews.com

“Honey,, can you check the bottom draw and see if i left my Soviet union flag there??”

241 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:10:19am

re: #239 sattv4u2

He could have been a center if he’d only learned how to twerk.

242 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:11:48am

re: #240 sattv4u2

“Honey,, can you check the bottom draw and see if i left my Soviet union flag there??”

…..Is my Che T-shirt out of the was yet? There’s a peace protest!

243 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:12:34am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

Always nice to see fans of the Soviet Union are still around
breakingnews.com

Commie bastards. (Applies only to those waving actually Communist flags and those who identify with them.)

244 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:13:08am

I guess being someone with ironic humor, I’d wear an Enver Hoxha shirt to see what kind of looks I’d get because wearing one of those ironically makes more sense to me than waving a USSR flag unironically or wearing a Che shirt.

245 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:13:36am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

…..Is my Che T-shirt out of the was yet? There’s a peace protest!

I doubt it’s ever seen the inside of a washing machine!!!

246 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:13:53am

“Peace is vegan”
standard.co.uk

247 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:14:05am

re: #245 sattv4u2

I doubt it’s ever seen the inside of a washing machine!!!

Che’s beard though has become orange due to cheeto stains.

248 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:17:41am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

“Peace is vegan”
standard.co.uk

And false equivalency:

Tony Benn, former Labour MP: “Chemical weapons are terrible weapons but when you think of all the thousands of people that would that have been killed by British and American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq you realise that it isn’t true that another war would solve the problem.”

249 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:20:15am

re: #246 Killgore Trout

“Peace is vegan”
standard.co.uk

Is that FVB carrying that sign!?!?!

250 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:20:34am

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

And false equivalency:

Tony Benn, former Labour MP: “Chemical weapons are terrible weapons but when you think of all the thousands of people that would that have been killed by British and American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq you realise that it isn’t true that another war would solve the problem.”

Yeah, I missed where it was US and UK policy to intentionally target civilians. The Assad regime has done just that. Now, I think reasonable people can have a discussion on whether intervention needs to occur but what Benn stated isn’t reasonable.

251 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:22:05am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I missed where it was US and UK policy to intentionally target civilians. The Assad regime has done just that. Now, I think reasonable people can have a discussion on whether intervention needs to occur but what Benn stated isn’t reasonable.

But it is par for the course for a Barking Moonbat.

252 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:23:07am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

But it is par for the course for a Barking Moonbat.

Right well that’s why they call them moonbats.

253 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:23:44am

re: #248 Justanotherhuman

And false equivalency:

Tony Benn, former Labour MP: “Chemical weapons are terrible weapons but when you think of all the thousands of people that would that have been killed by British and American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq you realise that it isn’t true that another war would solve the problem.”

The whole “peace movement” is a load of crap. They’ll protest any Western military activity, no matter how justified or necessary. I happen to agree that it might be best to just ignore Syria (it would certainly be easier) but the anti-war protesters are massive idiots.

254 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:24:10am

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

But it is par for the course for a Barking Moonbat.

Not to mention that US and allied forces even having left Iraq, 3500+ people have been killed by sectarian violence.

255 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:25:03am

re: #254 Justanotherhuman

Not to mention that US and allied forces even having left Iraq, 3500+ people have been killed by sectarian violence.

I still think Biden may have been right to propose to divide Iraq into three.

256 darthstar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:27:58am

One thing is certain…if you’re planning a wedding and you live in Syria, do it soon. Because if we do attack, I guarantee the media will be all over the wedding parties we end up bombing.
/

257 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:28:48am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

The whole “peace movement” is a load of crap. They’ll protest any Western military activity, no matter how justified or necessary. I happen to agree that it might be best to just ignore Syria (it would certainly be easier) but the anti-war protesters are massive idiots.

Next time, I think i’ll show up with my own sign!!

Image: thisprotest_Large.jpg

258 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:35:12am

umm,,, OOOPPPSSS!?!?!

baltimore.cbslocal.com


Military ‘Practice’ Bomb Lands In Bar Parking Lot

259 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:36:47am

re: #258 sattv4u2

Military ‘Practice’ Bomb Lands In Bar Parking Lot

Most dramatic “don’t drive and drive” campaign ever?

260 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:38:09am

re: #258 sattv4u2

umm,,, OOOPPPSSS!?!?!

baltimore.cbslocal.com

Military ‘Practice’ Bomb Lands In Bar Parking Lot

Hey, look at that fish Gomer caught!

261 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:38:53am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

The whole “peace movement” is a load of crap. They’ll protest any Western military activity, no matter how justified or necessary.

Except they were absolutely right about Iraq. It was a mistake.

262 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:41:36am

re: #261 Lidane

If we didn’t get involved in Iraq, we would be able to do a more muscular response now in Syria.

263 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:41:58am

This is kind of interesting. Syrian Christians in Pennsylvania hold pro-Assad rally. Not anti-War, check out all the Assad signs. Must be a sectarian thing.
usnews.nbcnews.com

264 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:42:22am

Good morning from cloudy western New York State!

Quiet this morning. Brother is off working for a few hours and my SIL is sleeping. Sat outside for a while with a cup of tea and watched birds visit the feeder and gave pets to one of the barn cats. Big difference in noise levels and types from the center of Philadelphia.

Place is quite a bit different from my last visit in the spring. My niece is off to college, so there is one less person about. The elder barn cat has disappeared (about a week ago) and since it’s a female this is probably more permanent than the male one wandering off for a few days.

And my SIL is now basically in hospice care for her cancer. Has opted to stop doing any radiation or chemo treatments. Doing traditional Chinese medicine, and some western meds to deal with symptoms, nothing more. So, with her now limited mobility she is essentially living on the first floor and not using the upstairs rooms. She also gets tired very quickly and can’t talk for any extended period.

My brother is adapting to this, but I am not surprised.

265 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:43:48am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Al-Qaeda and ISIS (and their friends) have been targeting Syrian Christians.

266 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:43:57am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

This is kind of interesting. Syrian Christians in Pennsylvania hold pro-Assad rally. Not anti-War, check out all the Assad signs. Must be a sectarian thing.
usnews.nbcnews.com

heh

nytimes.com

As Strike Looms, F.B.I. Sharpens Scrutiny of Syrians in U.S. for Signs of Retaliation

267 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:44:22am

re: #261 Lidane

Except they were absolutely right about Iraq. It was a mistake.

And I feel we were right about Vietnam, too. It was a meat grinder that didn’t spare either the troops or Vietnamese civilians.

All that blood and treasure and they’re still a communist country.

268 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:45:55am

re: #262 ProTARDISLiberal

If we didn’t get involved in Iraq, we would be able to do a more muscular response now in Syria.

Maybe but that would mean we’d still be dealing with Saddam too. The no fly zones would be over 20 years old by now, with occasional targeted strikes and no end in sight. I doubt expanding the same operation to Syria would be very popular.

269 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:46:00am

re: #262 ProTARDISLiberal

If we didn’t get involved in Iraq, we would be able to do a more muscular response now in Syria.

Except for the part where there are at least nine faction in Syria and we don’t like most of them.

And also, putting boots on the ground is risky no matter what else is going on. Even if we weren’t in Iraq or Afghanistan there is still the lesson of Somalia — doesn’t matter if they hate each other, they’ll band together and fight against an invading army then get back to destroying each other.

270 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:46:25am

re: #265 ProTARDISLiberal

Al-Qaeda and ISIS (and their friends) have been targeting Syrian Christians.

Ah, that makes sense

271 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:46:41am

re: #263 Killgore Trout

This is kind of interesting. Syrian Christians in Pennsylvania hold pro-Assad rally. Not anti-War, check out all the Assad signs. Must be a sectarian thing.
usnews.nbcnews.com

They probably figure the secular Assad is better than a theocratic Muslim Syria.

272 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:47:55am

re: #267 Justanotherhuman

And I feel we were right about Vietnam, too. It was a meat grinder that didn’t spare either the troops or Vietnamese civilians.

All that blood and treasure and they’re still a communist country.

That too. Vietnam was another failed war that served no purpose. The anti-war crowd had that one pegged too.

273 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:49:45am

re: #266 sattv4u2

heh

nytimes.com

As Strike Looms, F.B.I. Sharpens Scrutiny of Syrians in U.S. for Signs of Retaliation

ACLU will leap into action and sue next week. This common sense must be stopped!

274 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:49:47am

Image: iBKapFx.png

275 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:49:51am

re: #262 ProTARDISLiberal

If we didn’t get involved in Iraq, we would be able to do a more muscular response now in Syria.

But if we hadn’t, what is now happening in Syria would not have happened at all. And even so, the problem of Al Qaeda terrorists hiding amid Sunni Arab populations would still be there. It is that sort of terrorist activity that is the real barrier to intervention.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:51:26am

re: #272 Lidane

That too. Vietnam was another failed war that served no purpose. The anti-war crowd had that one pegged too.

No, they didn’t. We weren’t the bad guys, the Communists were, just as Saddam Hussein was. Just because we shouldn’t have gone to war with a faction does not mean that said faction wasn’t worse than us.

277 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:54:04am
278 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:54:14am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

No, they didn’t. We weren’t the bad guys, the Communists were, just as Saddam Hussein was. Just because we shouldn’t have gone to war with a faction does not mean that said faction wasn’t worse than us.

That’s a really weird response, unless you think that everyone in the anti-war faction were saying the Vietnamese communists were ‘better’ than us. It was mostly about “This war is going to kill millions and wind up achieving nothing”, and they were right.

As I said before, I know a lot of perfectly sensible, non-cartoonish anti-war protesters. There’s very few American military interventions, especially unilateral ones, that you can point to and say “That was a success”. Even Afghanistan, which was as legitimate a ‘war’ as we’ve had in awhile, has achieved only a very, very, very narrow success.

279 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:54:51am

re: #264 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning from cloudy western New York State!

Quiet this morning. Brother is off working for a few hours and my SIL is sleeping. Sat outside for a while with a cup of tea and watched birds visit the feeder and gave pets to one of the barn cats. Big difference in noise levels and types from the center of Philadelphia.

Place is quite a bit different from my last visit in the spring. My niece is off to college, so there is one less person about. The elder barn cat has disappeared (about a week ago) and since it’s a female this is probably more permanent than the male one wandering off for a few days.

And my SIL is now basically in hospice care for her cancer. Has opted to stop doing any radiation or chemo treatments. Doing traditional Chinese medicine, and some western meds to deal with symptoms, nothing more. So, with her now limited mobility she is essentially living on the first floor and not using the upstairs rooms. She also gets tired very quickly and can’t talk for any extended period.

My brother is adapting to this, but I am not surprised.

Tough going. Glad you are there.

280 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:59:39am

re: #264 Feline Fearless Leader

{{{FFL}}}}

281 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 8:59:40am

re: #274 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Image: iBKapFx.png

So true. Most of the people who work w/my g-son are typical of the right hand column. Most have to work, even if they areteens, also, to bring money into the household, such as the 19 yr old who lives with his 61 yr old mother who has a sewing business she runs out of her apt. They were much better off before the divorce. He’s a good kid who should be in college; I loan him books.

282 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:00:16am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

No, they didn’t. We weren’t the bad guys, the Communists were, just as Saddam Hussein was. Just because we shouldn’t have gone to war with a faction does not mean that said faction wasn’t worse than us.

DF, as someone very deeply tied to Vietnam (Phan Thiết, the capital of Bình Thuận province, is where my son was born) I must respectfully disagree. The South Vietnamese government was incredibly corrupt and far more evil than the Northern government ever was. And no, I don’t think the North was sparkley happy unicorn rainbow land. But I’ve yet to see any civil war where either side was perfect. We backed the wrong side in Vietnam compounding the mistake we made when Truman allowed the French to retake colonial possession - directly against FDR’s plans.

Even today, it’s a better country to live in than, for example, Thailand. At least in Vietnam the poor will have access to education and health care which gives them a chance at the jobs companies like Intel are bringing in.

283 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:02:16am

Manchester Syria Rally - We are all Chelsea Manning Youtube Video

284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:02:27am

re: #282 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s a good point. The comparison shouldn’t be between the US and the North Vietnamese, but between the South and the North. We weren’t fighting to give the Vietnamese American Democracy.

285 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:03:22am

re: #284 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

That’s a good point. The comparison shouldn’t be between the US and the North Vietnamese, but between the South and the North. We weren’t fighting to give the Vietnamese American Democracy.

Right, we were fighting to protect a proxy regime. And yeah the anti-war protesters of the 60’s were right to protest that.

286 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:04:10am
287 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:04:43am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Manchester Syria Rally - We are all Chelsea Manning [Embedded content]

dammit. I left my blonde wig at home

288 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:05:05am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

No, they didn’t. We weren’t the bad guys, the Communists were, just as Saddam Hussein was. Just because we shouldn’t have gone to war with a faction does not mean that said faction wasn’t worse than us.

You’re conflating being anti-war and being anti-American. They’re not the same thing.

There were very valid reasons against going to war in both Vietnam and Iraq. Those reasons have since been further validated by time and experience.

289 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:05:22am

re: #286 Gus

[Embedded content]

Yeah a leader of the free world signs legislation prohibiting anything remotely positively said or distributed about LGBT people. God the right’s new found bromance with Putin is disturbing.

290 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:05:34am

re: #286 Gus

[Embedded content]

Que?

291 Mattand  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:07:42am

re: #264 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning from cloudy western New York State!

Quiet this morning. Brother is off working for a few hours and my SIL is sleeping. Sat outside for a while with a cup of tea and watched birds visit the feeder and gave pets to one of the barn cats. Big difference in noise levels and types from the center of Philadelphia.

Place is quite a bit different from my last visit in the spring. My niece is off to college, so there is one less person about. The elder barn cat has disappeared (about a week ago) and since it’s a female this is probably more permanent than the male one wandering off for a few days.

And my SIL is now basically in hospice care for her cancer. Has opted to stop doing any radiation or chemo treatments. Doing traditional Chinese medicine, and some western meds to deal with symptoms, nothing more. So, with her now limited mobility she is essentially living on the first floor and not using the upstairs rooms. She also gets tired very quickly and can’t talk for any extended period.

My brother is adapting to this, but I am not surprised.

Condolences to your brother and his family. Been there and it’s a tough one to ride out. Hang in there.

292 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:08:01am

re: #290 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Que?

293 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:08:56am

re: #292 Gus

[Embedded content]

I’m sure the King family will start taking Matt Drudge’s advice seriously when he updates his website to look like it wasn’t programmed in 1996.

294 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:09:27am

re: #286 Gus

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video

295 Mattand  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:11:11am

re: #286 Gus

[Embedded content]

Keep in mind Drudge is the guy who Julian Assange praised for top-notch “journalism”.

296 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:11:27am
297 Carlos Danger  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:11:40am

re: #286 Gus

FREEDOM means you can’t elect your governor though local elections
FREEDOM means harassing artists and journalists
FREEDOM means beating up LGBT peoples

About par for the right.

298 Justanotherhuman  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:15:04am

re: #296 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

SC was right about this, too: Youtube Video

What a voice that man had.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:15:28am

re: #291 Mattand

Condolences to your brother and his family. Been there and it’s a tough one to ride out. Hang in there.

I think my visit is more to help with my brother as much as anything.

Good thing in that the niece just video called (FB or Skype I guess). So her mother is currently getting a tour of her dorm room at school. Plus she (my niece) got to show her roommate two of the cats and the chicken flock as well. Good for morale all around - and that’s the key right now in my opinion.

300 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:18:03am

Idiots.

301 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:18:38am

Would we feel less reluctant about a strike if we were hitting Al Nusra and other Al Qaeda factions in Syria along with government targets? For all the leaks and announcements, I can’t escape the feeling that some big gambit or so far unannounced factor is in play.

302 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:25:04am

re: #301 Political Atheist

if we were hitting Al Nusra and other Al Qaeda factions in Syria

That would risk hitting a lot of civilians instead of targeting gov’t airfields or army bases

303 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:27:05am

TRUTH

304 Carlos Danger  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:34:17am

Obama’s addressing the nation at 1:15.

305 Political Atheist  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:39:39am

re: #302 sattv4u2

I had the impression they are out there maneuvering with some heavy weapons. Technicals, light artillery etc. If they are all embedded in innocents, well yes, that comes off the table.

306 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:41:48am

re: #305 Political Atheist

I had the impression they are out there maneuvering with some heavy weapons. Technicals, light artillery etc. If they are all embedded in innocents, well yes, that comes off the table.

They may in fact be “out there maneuvering with some heavy weapons” but ‘out there” means out and about the populace

307 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:42:44am

re: #304 Carlos Danger

Obama’s addressing the nation at 1:15.


Also, too:

308 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:45:49am

Snowden/Greenwald/Manning brought out the fringe.

Syria is bringing out the fringier fringe.

309 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:46:34am

re: #307 wrenchwench

Obama due to give speech regarding surprise attack on Syria

well. CNN, ABC, FOX et al do have to have a heads up so they can adjust their programming schedules!!!

310 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 9:58:06am

In reference to this famous little gator

Youtube Video

311 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:02:08am
312 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:05:34am

re: #310 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

In reference to this famous little gator

[Embedded content]

That kid is destined for greater drugs.

313 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:08:23am

New Wisconsin Planned Parenthood ad

Youtube Video

314 Stanley Sea  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:10:40am

re: #312 wrenchwench

That kid is destined for greater drugs.

Well, he’s the kid of Gators so….

315 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:15:39am

NPR streaming link
npr.org

316 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:18:52am

Whitehouse.gov stream here

whitehouse.gov

317 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:19:41am

re: #315 Randall Gross

a White House official says his remarks will not be about imminent military operations.

Instead, the official, who asked not to be named, said the president will update the public about his decision on how to proceed.

Seems an odd choice to give a live speech and say “we’re still thinking about it” . I was kind of expecting “Operations have already begun…” but he is speaking from the Rose Garden. Usually the live was announcements are done in the Oval office.

318 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:20:09am

re: #308 Gus

Snowden/Greenwald/Manning brought out the fringe.

Syria is bringing out the fringier fringe.

[Embedded content]

These folks should talk to all of the GOP presidential candidates last year who ran on the idea that “Zionist tool” Obama had actually thrown Israel under the bus!

319 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:21:30am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Seems an odd choice to give a live speech and say “we’re still thinking about it” . I was kind of expecting “Operations have already begun…” but he is speaking from the Rose Garden. Usually the live was announcements are done in the Oval office.


“I am taking this time to tell you that at some point I will be telling you what I’ll take time to tell you”

320 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:22:14am

I suspect that this means he’s going to put it to congress, but I could be wrong.

321 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:23:16am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Very good double speak. /half

322 ladasue  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:26:54am

re: #300 Gus

That’s pretty dumb, but here’s the Austin antiwar rally:
Image: 1175582_10101535122963367_561450594_n.jpg

RON PAUL IS NOT THE ANSWER!!

323 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:28:45am

I got 10 bucks that says he tries to drop kick his peace prize out of the Rose Garden and over the White House fence. Double or nothing if he hits a protester.

324 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:29:19am

re: #322 ladasue

RON PAUL IS NOT THE ANSWER!!

Actually depends on the question

Who would you not want to go have dinner with?

Who would you not name your childs godparent?

325 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:29:21am

In sports related news, looks like Tebow got cut from New England.

I await the inevitable Twitter derp.

326 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:29:54am

re: #325 Lidane

In sports related news, looks like Tebow got cut from New England.

I await the inevitable Twitter derp.

Discussed upthread about three hours ago

327 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:31:38am
328 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:32:39am

re: #326 sattv4u2

Discussed upthread about three hours ago

Ah. Good to know. ESPN just posted a new story about it so my Twitter feed is exploding right now.

329 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:33:09am
330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #327 Randall Gross

An absurd amount of debate for launching weapons into a Middle Eastern country?

How did it get to not be a really big deal to just bomb somewhere a bit?

331 ObserverArt  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:33:23am

re: #318 bratwurst

These folks should talk to all of the GOP presidential candidates last year who ran on the idea that “Zionist tool” Obama had actually thrown Israel under the bus!

Is everyone getting the feeling Obama is now everything political. I’ve not known a president that has gotten to carry so many labels. He’s got every political philosophy covered, every constituency, mad or glad all at the same time.

Truly a many of many colors!

/laughing.

332 EPR-radar  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:36:30am

re: #330 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

An absurd amount of debate for launching weapons into a Middle Eastern country?

How did it get to not be a really big deal to just bomb somewhere a bit?

Not only does this Plitnick clown think the US should be the world’s cop, he wants the US to be the kind of international cop that randomly murders a few people because a regime “does not respect our authority”.

333 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:36:49am

*headdesk*


Here’s a crazy thought— maybe if Congress was in session instead of off doing townhalls and interviews, there would be a vote.

334 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:36:55am
335 ObserverArt  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:38:47am

re: #323 Killgore Trout

I got 10 bucks that says he tries to drop kick his peace prize out of the Rose Garden and over the White House fence. Double or nothing if he hits a protester.

I’m going with an Ali Rope-A-Dope. Get everyone all worked up and in a frenzy, then go some rounds where nothing is happening and all opposition is lulled. Then wham, here comes that hidden right uppercut.

In the middle rounds you score as everyone else is forced to show their own style and what they are going to do or not. Watching. Lame duckin’.

336 Gus  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:39:27am
337 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:39:38am
338 Lidane  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:41:13am

Drudge’s Leader has spoken:


Oh. Well that settles that, then.

339 jaunte  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:42:05am
340 Randall Gross  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:42:27am

PPSSSSSST! new thread

341 ObserverArt  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:42:54am

re: #334 Gus

[Ross Perot. | Guess Which Texas Billionaire Just Donated $1 Million to Planned Parenthood mediaite.com … via @mediaite #fem2]

That’s a bit of slap to some Texans.

342 EmmaAnne  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:44:35am

re: #334 Gus

[Embedded content]

Good for Ross Perot. Makes me less embarrassed about my five minutes of support for him back in 1992. :-)

343 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 10:44:52am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Is everyone getting the feeling Obama is now everything political. I’ve not known a president that has gotten to carry so many labels. He’s got every political philosophy covered, every constituency, mad or glad all at the same time.

Truly a many of many colors!

/laughing.

All things to all derps.

344 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 31, 2013 11:31:08am

re: #338 Lidane

I told y’all it was getting serious if Putin puts his shirt on.


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