ABC’s This Week Easter Show: Gays Are Going to Hell, Civilization Is Doomed

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Today, ABC’s “This Week” chose to celebrate Easter by hosting a panel of extreme religious right crackpots who say gay people are going to hell unless they repent. And no, I’m not kidding.

As a part of a special Easter week discussion on religion, Graham told ABC News’ Martha Raddatz that gays could go heaven if they repent.

“Maybe gays that are watching want to know, ‘Can God forgive me? Or can I go to heaven as a gay person?’ Absolutely. But the same for any of us. We have to repent of our sins in turn. A person cannot stay in adultery and be accepted by God. You’ll have to repent,” said Graham, president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

Happy Easter, everyone!

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277 comments

1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2014 3:04:23pm

Can Gays Rebrand Themselves? An ABC panel discussion…

2 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:05:38pm

Seems very typical evangelical preaching, heard in thousands of pulpits across this country weekly.

3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2014 3:06:45pm

I get it, if we allow gay marriage, then people will at some point find themselves committing GAY ADULTERY. We cannot allow that much SIN in one place…

4 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 3:07:50pm

‘Gays are baaad, unkay’ sez the believers in Zombie Day.

Seems legit.

5 Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2014 3:07:54pm

You ever notice that the people who talk the most about “saving” others are generally self-serving douchebags who seem to get off on looking down their noses at “sinners”?

6 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:08:23pm

These talking head shows are laboriously lazy minded, a tiresome affair of glitz; the make-up artists have more there there than the hosts and guests.

7 Amory Blaine  Apr 20, 2014 3:08:57pm

I decide to watch a Sunday show for a change and this is what I get.

8 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 3:10:05pm

Didn’t they also just hire what’s her face?

9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 20, 2014 3:10:10pm

This sort of homophobic, over-righteous drivel is becoming entirely “mainstream”, at least in the media and in public/political discourse, it is no wonder that it was deemed acceptable Easter Sunday programming

10 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 3:10:41pm

Evangelicals are some truly fucked up assholes who deserve to be mocked and ostracized

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2014 3:11:38pm

On a related note I just saw President Obama’s Easter message and I eagerly await the right wing splodey heads that will result.

12 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 3:11:41pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

You ever notice that the people who talk the most about “saving” others are generally self-serving douchebags who seem to get off on looking down their noses at “sinners”?

Why, yes, I HAD noticed that. What good is religion, after all, if it doesn’t give you an otherwise unmerited sense of superiority?
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13 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 3:12:04pm

re: #10 Kragar

Evangelicals are some truly fucked up assholes who deserve to be mocked and ostracized

Truly Fucked Up Assholes seem to do well financially.

Dislike.

14 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 3:12:51pm

Next Easter I think the Walking Dead should do a marathon…

(smirk)

15 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 3:14:08pm

re: #13 Ryan King

Truly Fucked Up Assholes seem to do well financially.

Dislike.

Only because they bilk the rubes.

16 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:14:24pm

There is nothing said in these latter-day evangelical proclamations that hasn’t been said before, somewhere/when during the past millennium.

What has changed, I suspect, is that we, the American public, are now less religious than we’ve ever been.

Our “American” (English colonial) society was founded, in a significant fraction, by highly religious people, some of them quite fanatical.

It’s taken almost 400 years, but finally a large enough segment of us aren’t so keen on the old religious ways anymore.

17 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 3:16:54pm

Notice how Graham sleazes around what he’s really saying - he doesn’t use the word hell, he say gays can “absolutely” go to heaven, all they have to do is repent.

The unvarnished version of what he’s saying is that if you love a person of the same sex, you’re going to spend eternity in horrific torment. But hey, you had a chance to repent.

18 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 3:17:35pm

Franklin Graham is an asshole. #Facts

19 CuriousLurker  Apr 20, 2014 3:17:38pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

From my new/current favorite author, Amos Oz, who I think totally nails it in terms of the mentality of fanatics:

In fact, often the fanatic is more interested in you than in himself. He wants to save your soul, he wants to redeem you, he wants to liberate you from sin, from error, from smoking, from your faith or from your faithlessness, he wants to improve your eating habits, or to cure you of your drinking or voting habits. The fanatic cares a great deal for you; he is always either falling on your neck because he truly loves you or else he is at your throat in case you prove to be unredeemable. And, in any case, topographically speaking, falling on your neck and being at your throat are almost the same gesture.

One way or another, the fanatic is more interested in you than in himself, for the simple reason that the fanatic has very little self or no self at all. Osama bin Laden’s heirs do not just hate the West. It’s not that simple. Rather, I think they want to save your souls; they want to liberate you, us, from our awful values, from materialism, from pluralism, from democracy, from freedom of speech, from women’s liberation … all these, the Islamic fundamentalists maintain, are bad for your health.

Bin Laden’s immediate target may have been New York, or Madrid, but his goal was to turn moderate, pragmatic Muslims into “true” believers, into his kind of Muslim. Islam, in bin Laden’s view, was weakened by “American values,” and to defend Islam, you must not just hit the West and hit it hard, you must eventually convert the West. Peace will prevail only when the world is converted not to Islam, but to the most fundamentalist and fierce and rigid form of Islam. It will be good for you. Bin Laden loved you; by his way of thinking, September 11 was a labor of love. […]

utne.com

20 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 3:23:44pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

He is a kind and loving God who will burn you in hellfire for all eternity if you fail to obey everything his self appointed messengers tell you to do.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2014 3:24:02pm

This is my first go round on LGF mobile. I likey.

22 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:25:58pm

Here’s a master’s thesis from this year, on the topic of homosexuality and religion in early colonial America:

“Strange Flesh” in the City on the Hill: Early Massachusetts Sodomy Laws and Puritan Spiritual Anxiety, 1629-1699

23 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 3:26:38pm

Franklin Grifter Graham. Besties of Sister Sarah.

American Taliban.

24 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 3:28:20pm

Just once I’d like to hear one of these blow-dried anchor-things ask a follow-up question, for example, “When you say gays can go to heaven if they repent, where do they go if they don’t repent?”

Is this hard?

25 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 3:30:01pm

They let people like Graham just smoothly elide the reality of their inhumanly cruel world-view, by not questioning it logically.

26 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 3:33:23pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

From my new/current favorite author, Amos Oz, who I think totally nails it in terms of the mentality of fanatics:

True, but I’d guess that most people want convert/persuade others to their point of view. Some of that is basic human nature. But that’s why I draw a line when it comes to efforts to control what radio shows people can listen to, who can have a job or run a business. At some point the basic human desire to persuade others turns into controlling zealotry.

27 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:34:27pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Is this hard?

When one exists to sell advertising time, and if when one forces home an uncomfortable truth that may drive away the audience the advertisers for which the advertisers are pay - yes.

28 blueraven  Apr 20, 2014 3:34:45pm

When they use We are all sinners! All you need to do is REPENT!! then you too can go to Heaven they think it is a get out of Hell Free card.

creepy old dudes anyhow.

Yeah, talking to you Swaggart

29 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 3:35:01pm
30 Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2014 3:36:38pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

True, but I’d guess that most people want convert/persuade others to their point of view. Some of that is basic human nature. But that’s why I draw a line when it comes to efforts to control what radio shows people can listen to, who can have a job or run a business. At some point the basic human desire to persuade others turns into controlling zealotry.

You couldn’t help yourself, could you?

31 Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2014 3:37:01pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

You couldn’t help yourself, could you?

Oh my no.

32 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 3:37:26pm

re: #22 freetoken

Here’s a master’s thesis from this, on the topic of homosexuality and religion in early colonial America:

“Strange Flesh” in the City on the Hill: Early Massachusetts Sodomy Laws and Puritan Spiritual Anxiety, 1629-1699

Watching Turn, the crime of buggery was mentioned. Not a masters thesis but heh.

33 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:38:24pm

Bilboes, Brands, and Branks
Colonial Crimes and Punishments

[…]

Sex was of particular concern. Outlawed were masturbation, fornication, adultery, sodomy, buggery, and every other sexual practice that inched off the line of straight sex as approved by the Bible. The term “sodomy” was applied to homosexual behavior; “buggery” to bestiality.

[…]

In 1642, Edward Preston was sentenced to be publicly whipped at both Plymouth and Barnstable “for his lewd practices tending to sodomy with Edward Mitchell, and pressing John Keene thereunto (if he would have yielded).” Keene, who had reported the crime, was required to watch the punishment because he was suspected of “not being without fault himself.” No death penalty here, since the actions of Preston and Mitchell only “tended toward sodomy.”

[…]

34 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 3:40:12pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

“When you say gays can go to heaven if they repent, where do they go if they don’t repent?”

Carcosa, to meet the Yellow King.

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 3:41:58pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

You couldn’t help yourself, could you?

Please don’t feed the Troll.

36 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 3:45:00pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

True, but I’d guess that most people want convert/persuade others to their point of view. Some of that is basic human nature. But that’s why I draw a line when it comes to efforts to control what radio shows people can listen to, who can have a job or run a business. At some point the basic human desire to persuade others turns into controlling zealotry.

I see you’re going to just shoehorn in your retardation everywhere it isn’t even remotely relevant. Voluntary boycotts can be motivated for all kinds of reasons, but they’re all about self control, over one’s own purchasing decisions, who one lends support to and exercising freedom of association. Only in your massive head wound influenced worldview can such actions be conflated with a fundamentalist focus on controlling the other.

37 Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2014 3:48:28pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

I see you’re going to just shoehorn in your retardation everywhere it isn’t even remotely relevant. Voluntary boycotts can be motivated for all kinds of reasons, but they’re all about self control, over one’s own purchasing decisions, who one lends support to and exercising freedom of association. Only in your massive head wound influenced worldview can such actions be conflated with a fundamentalist focus on controlling the other.

NO U.

38 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 3:48:45pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Watching Turn, the crime of buggery was mentioned. Not a masters thesis but heh.

It was a little troubling the way they made the jilted gay paramour so gollum like and despicable.

39 CuriousLurker  Apr 20, 2014 3:49:11pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Thanks, now I can stop twitching in my efforts not to respond & enjoy my soup.

LOL

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2014 3:50:00pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

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So Jesus was James Bond?

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2014 3:50:00pm
42 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:51:05pm

Cutely off topic: modern physics as a game macguffin:

Youtube Video

A DARK, DICHROMATIC, DEAD-&-ALIVE FELINE SUPERHERO

43 Targetpractice  Apr 20, 2014 3:51:36pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In related news, thousands of Denver citizens in a 10 block radius around the rally are reporting sudden cravings for junk food and uncontrollable giggling.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 3:51:39pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

While a good response, it won’t make an impact. The best thing we can all do is to stop feeding the Troll. Hopefully he’ll get bored if he stops getting a rise out of folks.

45 Political Atheist  Apr 20, 2014 3:52:08pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lemme guess. They regulated vapes and legalized pot.
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47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2014 3:53:01pm
48 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 3:53:42pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

It was a little troubling the way they made the jilted gay paramour so gollum like and despicable.

Yes. It was.

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 20, 2014 3:54:40pm

Saw the following while taking a walk today. I was up behind the Art Museum in Philadelphia taking photos in a sculpture garden since the cherries and plums were still in bloom there. Walking onto a paved overlook towards the top section I saw a picnic set up on a small semi-secluded stretch of lawn off to one side.

A spread blanket, a picnic basket, loaf of bread, bottle of wine, and a guitar.

But no people.

A little odd, and the layout was attractive enough I thought about taking a photo of it just for the heck of it. About then I also noticed that a man with a camera was lurking around an outcrop a little further on. Ambush photography? So I hung out over on the overlook for a minute or two to see what was going on.

Right afterwards two joggers appeared. A couple. And the man proposed to the woman right there while their photographer friend took pictures.

50 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 20, 2014 3:55:44pm

re: #49 Feline Fearless Leader

Saw the following while taking a walk today. I was up behind the Art Museum in Philadelphia taking photos in a sculpture garden since the cherries and plums were still in bloom there. Walking onto a paved overlook towards the top section I saw a picnic set up on a small semi-secluded stretch of lawn off to one side.

A spread blanket, a picnic basket, loaf of bread, bottle of wine, and a guitar.

But no people.

A little odd, and the layout was attractive enough I thought about taking a photo of it just for the heck of it. About then I also noticed that a man with a camera was lurking around an outcrop a little further on. Ambush photography? So I hung out over on the overlook for a minute or two to see what was going on.

Right afterwards two joggers appeared. A couple. And the man proposed to the woman right there while their photographer friend took pictures.

That’s sweet.

RBS

51 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 3:56:03pm

re: #49 Feline Fearless Leader

Saw the following while taking a walk today. I was up behind the Art Museum in Philadelphia taking photos in a sculpture garden since the cherries and plums were still in bloom there. Walking onto a paved overlook towards the top section I saw a picnic set up on a small semi-secluded stretch of lawn off to one side.

A spread blanket, a picnic basket, loaf of bread, bottle of wine, and a guitar.

But no people.

A little odd, and the layout was attractive enough I thought about taking a photo of it just for the heck of it. About then I also noticed that a man with a camera was lurking around an outcrop a little further on. Ambush photography? So I hung out over on the overlook for a minute or two to see what was going on.

Right afterwards two joggers appeared. A couple. And the man proposed to the woman right there while their photographer friend took pictures.

Aw. Brilliant.

52 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 3:56:32pm

The guy who just won’t go away:

Inside the Romney retreat

Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who recently has emerged from the political wilderness, will host his third annual policy summit this summer in Park City, Utah. The private gathering will be an important moment for several potential Republican presidential contenders, providing an opportunity for them to introduce themselves to Romney’s network.

On Sunday, The Washington Post obtained a partial list of the more than 200 people scheduled to attend the conference, which will take place June 12-14. It features a mix of politicos, Wall Street titans, former government officials, entrepreneurs, and even sports figures, such as Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning, who is slated to deliver a talk.

[…]

53 Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 20, 2014 3:59:50pm

So we allow this kind of stuff on our mainstream media but we are totally a nation that persecutes Christians.

54 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 3:59:57pm

So let me get this straight: gays have the power to save civilization?

55 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:01:06pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Yes. It was.

I watched the first episode of the 24 reboot on Amazon Prime, and they’re doing the same thing with the UN blue helmet guy.

I understand that there’s a plot to advance and not every character is going to get rounded out into something recognizable as a human being, but these kind of go beyond tired cliches or even normal caricatures. They just seem like examples of really bad, exploitative writing, insulting to the viewer.

56 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 4:01:21pm

Maybe ABC’s This Week ought to get in on this drooly action:

SHOWDOWN: SHOULD CHRISTIANS KEEP THE SABBATH?

But wait, there’s a deeper problem here: Martha Raddatz is a woman.

Can a woman hold authority over a man?

Especially on the Sabbath???

57 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 4:03:09pm

Will CNN jump on this?

MH370 conspiracy: Did America shoot down missing Malaysia Airlines plane?

Soon, CNN will be asking if the CIA can be reformed.

58 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 4:05:07pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I watched the first episode of the 24 reboot on Amazon Prime, and they’re doing the same thing with the UN blue helmet guy.

I understand that there’s a plot to advance and not every character is going to get rounded out into something recognizable as a human being, but these kind of go beyond tired cliches or even normal caricatures. They just seem like examples of really bad, exploitative writing, insulting to the viewer.

Dudebro, writer.

59 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:07:08pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

Dudebro, writer.

I should have known when opening scenes basically set up the primary antagonist as a Kony substitute.

60 EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2014 4:08:27pm

re: #52 freetoken

This is too tempting. What might an honest list of GOP policy positions look like?

For starters, we have:

1) Enriching the already-wealthy at everyone else’s expense.

2) Culture war bullshit to distract from #1, including the war on women, neo-confederacy and guns/God/gays crap.

3) Foreign policy dick waving, also to distract from #1.

That’s the three-legged stool of movement conservatism in a nutshell.

61 Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2014 4:11:28pm

Anyone else get “your account may have compromised” e-mail from Twitter?

62 Political Atheist  Apr 20, 2014 4:11:41pm

Little debate here at the 3 lizard lair. Does fire photography translate to black & white or at least very subdued tones?

I should mention that is propane being used to blacken & heat an ingot mold.

Black and White

63 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 4:12:38pm

Desperately trying to juggle two memes at the same time:

A few bad Muslim schools shouldn’t blind us to the merits of faith schools

Secular fundamentalists think all their Christmases have come at once - or should that be Wintervals? The controversy over a handful of secular schools hijacked by Islamic fundamentalists in Birmingham has inevitably led to renewed criticism of religious education in general, as if faith schools are guilty of the same bad practices. Among other things, the Birmingham schools have been accused of illegally segregating male and female pupils, discriminating against their non-Muslim pupils and restricting GCSE choices to “comply with conservative Islamic teaching”.

[…]

64 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:14:37pm

re: #61 Timothy Watson

Anyone else get “your account may have compromised” e-mail from Twitter?

Nope.

65 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:14:48pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Never really liked 24. Far-fetched, illogical, even stupid at times. The show that totally screwed the shark for me was the one where a nuclear bomb goes off in Los Angeles and for the rest of the show there’s no mention of it at all, and no particular problems for anyone as a result. It was so ridiculous I just said “fuck this” and never watched it again.

66 Timothy Watson  Apr 20, 2014 4:16:09pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

To be fair, that was season 6, regarded as the worst season of the show.

67 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:16:51pm

I’ve been binge-watching The Killing on Netflix - pretty good cop/mystery drama. Feels a little like Twin Peaks but without the over the top weirdness.

68 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:19:05pm

Netfox. Good typo. I’d use something called Netfox.

69 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:19:14pm

re: #60 EPR-radar

This is too tempting. What might an honest list of GOP policy positions look like?

For starters, we have:

1) Enriching the already-wealthy at everyone else’s expense.

2) Culture war bullshit to distract from #1, including the war on women, neo-confederacy and guns/God/gays crap.

3) Foreign policy dick waving, also to distract from #1.

That’s the three-legged stool of movement conservatism in a nutshell.

There’s a Tea Party / Sovereign Citizen convergence going on over #BundyRanch. I expect a lot of noise within the GOP about returning federal lands to the states. Technically that falls under 2.) Culture war, but it’s a distinct flavor thereof.

70 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 4:19:22pm

re: #63 freetoken

Desperately trying to juggle two memes at the same time:

A few bad Muslim schools shouldn’t blind us to the merits of faith schools

I can’t argue with that one. This isn’t about faith schools, it’s about illegal practices. I haven’t seen any of the arguments about faith schools in general but I suppose Dawkins would be a likely culprit.

71 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 4:20:03pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

I’ve been binge-watching The Killing on Netfox - pretty good cop/mystery drama. Feels a little like Twin Peaks but without the over the top weirdness.

Hey, who is this idiot? @Eccentric99

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2014 4:20:44pm

re: #62 Political Atheist

Little debate here at the 3 lizard lair. Does fire photography translate to black & white or at least very subdued tones?

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Black and White

B&W is nice. I like it.

73 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:20:47pm

re: #71 Gus

Hey, who is this idiot? @Eccentric99

Blocked and muted long ago.

74 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:21:33pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Never really liked 24. Far-fetched, illogical, even stupid at times. The show that totally screwed the shark for me was the one where a nuclear bomb goes off in Los Angeles and for the rest of the show there’s no mention of it at all, and no particular problems for anyone as a result. It was so ridiculous I just said “fuck this” and never watched it again.

My main problem with it was the whitewashing of torture. That wasn’t just unforgivably amoral, they knew it was antithetical to reality when they wrote it.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 4:22:07pm

re: #62 Political Atheist

Little debate here at the 3 lizard lair. Does fire photography translate to black & white or at least very subdued tones?

I should mention that is propane being used to blacken & heat an ingot mold.

[Embedded image]

Black and White

I prefer the Black & White a lot - but from me that’s pretty much a given. What I like in this case is that you’re able to bring out the details of the background without losing the highlights of the flame.

But in losing the color you lose a lot of important data about the fire - those colors and flame shapes are specific to temperatures and materials and have deep meaning to anyone even slightly familiar with metallurgy.

That said, I think that for your images with flame what would work even better is to keep them in color but do the digital equivalent of burning in the background details a bit more. In a classic silver print you could cover the flames themselves for a moment to give the area outside of the fire a longer exposure. I’m sure something like that could be done to bring up the background a bit more while maintaining the so very meaningful color of the flame.

Hope this helps.

76 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 4:22:17pm

re: #61 Timothy Watson

Anyone else get “your account may have compromised” e-mail from Twitter?

no.

77 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 4:22:38pm

So gays AND adulterers can’t get into heaven?

If so, there’s gonna be a lot of empty space up there.

78 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:23:49pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

My main problem with it was the whitewashing of torture. That wasn’t just unforgivably amoral, they knew it was antithetical to reality when they wrote it.

And really horrific nasty torture too. Wasn’t there one episode where Jack Bauer tortures somebody by drilling holes in them with an electric drill? That was another big “wait a fucking minute” minute for me.

79 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 4:24:37pm

For some reason I’m not comfortable with making a hero out of a guy who tortures people with an electric drill.

80 Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2014 4:24:59pm

re: #77 palomino

So gays AND adulterers can’t get into heaven?

If so, there’s gonna be a lot of empty space up there.

Peter: Wait! Before you go-what’s Heaven like?
Nate Griffin: It’s fine. There’s a shortage of chairs.
Peter: Oh.
Nate Griffin: Yeah. Take it easy, Peter.

81 Lancelot Link  Apr 20, 2014 4:27:08pm

re: #77 palomino

So gays AND adulterers can’t get into heaven?

If so, there’s gonna be a lot of empty space up there.

As long as they pray afterwards, adulterers are fine.
(Franklin Graham is an enthusiastic Newt Gingrich supporter)

82 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:27:40pm

re: #62 Political Atheist

Little debate here at the 3 lizard lair. Does fire photography translate to black & white or at least very subdued tones?

I should mention that is propane being used to blacken & heat an ingot mold.

[Embedded image]

Black and White

Are they from Monongahela Metal Foundry? Steel ingots cast with the housewife in mind?

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 20, 2014 4:27:45pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

I watched the first episode of the 24 reboot on Amazon Prime, and they’re doing the same thing with the UN blue helmet guy.

I understand that there’s a plot to advance and not every character is going to get rounded out into something recognizable as a human being, but these kind of go beyond tired cliches or even normal caricatures. They just seem like examples of really bad, exploitative writing, insulting to the viewer.

I stopped watching 24 that season where they nuked LA. Once that happened, I kind of didn’t care what else went on. Even though it was “just a little nuke” and “only 20,000 people died” WTF.

84 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Apr 20, 2014 4:29:52pm

re: #82 GeneJockey

Are they from Monongahela Metal Foundry? Steel ingots with the housewife in mind?

No, these are actually from Einbinder, who have branched out from flypaper. They’re hoping you’ll gradually come to trust their ingots, as you’ve learned to trust their flypaper over the course of three generations.

85 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 4:30:16pm

Even otherwise well regarded media outlets publish idiotic headlines.

Such as this one, from boston.com:

A provocative new theory of Easter

It’s just another interview with Bart Ehrman about his latest book.

Only two problems with the headline:
1) Ehrman’s book is not a “theory”;
2) the ideas are not “new”.

86 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 4:30:21pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Blocked and muted long ago.

Infowars nut.

87 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 4:30:56pm

KMSP-TV reported Friday that 52-year-old pastor Victor Barnard of the River Road Fellowship church kept a stable of women and girls for his sexual pleasure, women who he called “The Maidens.”

Two of the women, now adults, came forward earlier this year saying that at the ages of 12 and 13, their parents sent them to live with Barnard at a residence called Shepherd’s Camp near Finlayson, MN where they joined the Maidens, who numbered about 10 at the time.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 20, 2014 4:31:15pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Never really liked 24. Far-fetched, illogical, even stupid at times. The show that totally screwed the shark for me was the one where a nuclear bomb goes off in Los Angeles and for the rest of the show there’s no mention of it at all, and no particular problems for anyone as a result. It was so ridiculous I just said “fuck this” and never watched it again.

Yep. That killed it for me too.

89 EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

My main problem with it was the whitewashing of torture. That wasn’t just unforgivably amoral, they knew it was antithetical to reality when they wrote it.

I’ve only seen the first season of 24 , which apparently was not as bad/extreme as the later seasons.

What struck me at the time was how powerful the effect of audience point of view was. Viewers saw scenes of the bad guys in action, so the audience knew there was something there for torture by Bauer et al. to find.

The show would have been very different if viewers had no more information than the anti-terrorist protagonists, and were confronted with torturing people in a fog of war situation.

90 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 4:33:30pm

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

Yep. That killed it for me too.

When the noble hero hacksawed off a guy’s head in the conference room so he could get in good with the terrorists, I realized I was done with the show.

91 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 4:33:48pm
“Franklin Graham is a sinner, and I’m no better than a gay person. I’m a sinner,” he added. “But I’ve been forgiven, and I’ve turned from my sins.

I hear this all the time from the “saved”, yet I’ve never seen any evidence backing up their claim. Does God send them a wall plaque or something like it declaring they’ve got a guaranteed get-out-of-hell pass?

Or do they just make this shit up?

92 Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2014 4:33:57pm

re: #90 Kragar

When the noble hero hacksawed off a guy’s head in the conference room so he could get in good with the terrorists, I realized I was done with the show.

Good grief.

93 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:34:51pm

re: #90 Kragar

When the noble hero hacksawed off a guy’s head in the conference room so he could get in good with the terrorists, I realized I was done with the show.

Gee, just think what I missed by never seeing even so much as one episode.

94 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 4:35:55pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

And really horrific nasty torture too. Wasn’t there one episode where Jack Bauer tortures somebody by drilling holes in them with an electric drill? That was another big “wait a fucking minute” minute for me.

Yeah, I think that was one of the many “enhanced interrogation” techniques used by Jack Bauer over the years.

I don’t mind violence in TV and movies at all. Horror is one of my favorite genres. Except when it verges on torture porn. After a few years watching 24, I got sick of it because it kept moving in that direction.

In one episode, Bauer’s team captured a guy and held him in an interrogation room. You thought Jack might torture him but he just walked in and shot the guy dead on the spot in order to scare some other bad guy.

In another, he shot a guy’s wife to make the guy give up info. And in another, he staged the execution of a guy’s entire family to get info. In TVLand, the good guy always knows the bad guy is hiding X. So problematic moral implications just disappear. Problem is, reality isn’t TVLand.

95 jamesfirecat  Apr 20, 2014 4:36:41pm

Any homosexuals, any atheists invited to voice their point of view?

///Why do I even bother asking…

96 jaunte  Apr 20, 2014 4:37:24pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

I hear this all the time from the “saved”, yet I’ve never seen any evidence backing up their claim. Does God send them a wall plaque or something like it declaring they’ve got a guaranteed get-out-of-hell pass?

They get a bumper sticker.
google.com

97 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 4:37:42pm

Never watched 24. I like Donald Sutherland. Not interested in his son. Whatever his name is again. Don’t watch TV here.

98 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:38:03pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Any homosexuals, any atheists invited to voice their point of view?

///Why do I even bother asking…

Nah. Don’t want it to be ‘confrontational’.

99 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:39:19pm

re: #62 Political Atheist

Little debate here at the 3 lizard lair. Does fire photography translate to black & white or at least very subdued tones?

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Black and White

The thing that strikes me about most of these images is that they’re kind of inherently missing some context. They’re not contrasty, you’ve got good tones on the the exposed bits, the flames, crucibles, gold, etc but the backgrounds are all necessarily very dark to black to expose for the radiant subject matter. The result is very isolating.

Maybe that’s what you want, maybe it’s even for the best. But since I assume you’re using a tripod anyway for all these shots I’d like to see what a little bit of HDR does. Try taking some before shots of the setup at various exposures and build up a composite image by blending layers.

100 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 4:40:57pm

Only TV I do watch is the occasional “rerun” on Hulu of either Family Guy or American Dad.

101 jaunte  Apr 20, 2014 4:41:11pm

re: #61 Timothy Watson

Anyone else get “your account may have compromised” e-mail from Twitter?

Twitter wants me to reset my password.

102 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 20, 2014 4:41:22pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Any homosexuals, any atheists invited to voice their point of view?

///Why do I even bother asking…

The religious nutjobs would claim it would be disrespecfull to have atheists on a show with an Easter theme.

103 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:42:00pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

I’ve only seen the first season of 24 , which apparently was not as bad/extreme as the later seasons.

What struck me at the time was how powerful the effect of audience point of view was. Viewers saw scenes of the bad guys in action, so the audience knew there was something there for torture by Bauer et al. to find.

The show would have been very different if viewers had no more information than the anti-terrorist protagonists, and were confronted with torturing people in a fog of war situation.

Right. Or if the show deliberately threw the viewer off the hook by making them distrust their own perceptions, if it purported to show a “bad guy” then undermined the prior information with further context.

104 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:42:20pm

re: #102 Iwouldprefernotto

The religious nutjobs would claim it would be disrespecfull to have atheists on a show with an Easter theme.

FTFY

105 EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2014 4:42:48pm

re: #10 Kragar

Evangelicals are some truly fucked up assholes who deserve to be mocked and ostracized

Belief in hell remains more common than not in the US, although evangelicals are certainly more enthusiastic about it .pewforum.org

From a 2007 Pew research poll.

Image: millennials-beliefs-table.gif

106 Ryan King  Apr 20, 2014 4:43:10pm

SHARYL ATTKISSON SUGGESTS MEDIA MATTERS WAS PAID FOR PROPAGANDA ATTACK CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER

Don’t need to link, the ALL CAPS tells you what news source it is.

107 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 4:43:24pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

I’ve only seen the first season of 24 , which apparently was not as bad/extreme as the later seasons.

What struck me at the time was how powerful the effect of audience point of view was. Viewers saw scenes of the bad guys in action, so the audience knew there was something there for torture by Bauer et al. to find.

The show would have been very different if viewers had no more information than the anti-terrorist protagonists, and were confronted with torturing people in a fog of war situation.

Well, it was off the air for a few years, and its new season is set in London. I’m going to give this reboot a chance and see if its decent.

108 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:43:55pm

re: #106 Ryan King

SHARYL ATTKISSON SUGGESTS MEDIA MATTERS WAS PAID FOR PROPAGANDA ATTACK CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER

Don’t need to link, the ALL CAPS tells you what news source it is.

Why, hell - I’d do it for free!

109 JustMark  Apr 20, 2014 4:45:41pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

I hear this all the time from the “saved”, yet I’ve never seen any evidence backing up their claim. Does God send them a wall plaque or something like it declaring they’ve got a guaranteed get-out-of-hell pass?

Or do they just make this shit up?

The second one…

110 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:45:55pm

The undeniable point that 24 was pushing damaging propaganda to support Bush administration policy was reached in 2007 when the US Army invited Kiefer Sutherland to speak at West Point just so he could counter the message his show was selling:

24 star Kiefer Sutherland has accepted an invitation from the U.S. military to teach army cadets it is wrong to torture prisoners.

Sutherland, who plays agent Jack Bauer on the show, has agreed to talk to cadets at the West Point military academy in New York state after army chiefs claimed the show’s torture scenes are influencing its newest recruits.

111 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 4:48:34pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

I’ve only seen the first season of 24 , which apparently was not as bad/extreme as the later seasons.

What struck me at the time was how powerful the effect of audience point of view was. Viewers saw scenes of the bad guys in action, so the audience knew there was something there for torture by Bauer et al. to find.

The show would have been very different if viewers had no more information than the anti-terrorist protagonists, and were confronted with torturing people in a fog of war situation.

Imagine an episode where Bauer is CONVINCED that this guy’s the baddest of all bad guys, but we, the audience know he’s just a cab driver with a wife and kids trying to make a life for himself.

And with us knowing the guy us innocent, Bauer goes through his torture orgy, finally getting the guy to say something just to make it stop.

Nah. That would probably be seen as gratuitous violence.
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112 JustMark  Apr 20, 2014 4:50:19pm

re: #106 Ryan King

SHARYL ATTKISSON SUGGESTS MEDIA MATTERS WAS PAID FOR PROPAGANDA ATTACK CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER

Don’t need to link, the ALL CAPS tells you what news source it is.

Who?

113 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:52:24pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Well, it was off the air for a few years, and its new season is set in London. I’m going to give this reboot a chance and see if its decent.

So far it’s kind of a turd. I was glad to see Robert Carlyle get some work, but wished it was a better written and compelling role. Everything about the episode was wooden.

114 jamesfirecat  Apr 20, 2014 4:52:29pm

re: #94 palomino

Yeah, I think that was one of the many “enhanced interrogation” techniques used by Jack Bauer over the years.

I don’t mind violence in TV and movies at all. Horror is one of my favorite genres. Except when it verges on torture porn. After a few years watching 24, I got sick of it because it kept moving in that direction.

In one episode, Bauer’s team captured a guy and held him in an interrogation room. You thought Jack might torture him but he just walked in and shot the guy dead on the spot in order to scare some other bad guy.

In another, he shot a guy’s wife to make the guy give up info. And in another, he staged the execution of a guy’s entire family to get info. In TVLand, the good guy always knows the bad guy is hiding X. So problematic moral implications just disappear. Problem is, reality isn’t TVLand.

This is why I loved Burn Notice so much because they took a vastly more realistic approach to getting info out of a person.

115 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 4:54:16pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

re: #77 palomino

So gays AND adulterers can’t get into heaven?

If so, there’s gonna be a lot of empty space up there.

Peter: Wait! Before you go-what’s Heaven like?
Nate Griffin: It’s fine. There’s a shortage of chairs.
Peter: Oh.
Nate Griffin: Yeah. Take it easy, Peter.

Basically, most of the nuns, half the priests, and a couple MOH winners on waivers.

116 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2014 4:55:54pm

I’ve gone off in a strange viewing direction, for me anyway. Specifically, I’ve been watching The Bible on Netflix. It’s still at the early stage where Abraham has gotten his promise from God and the latter is about to nuke Sodom and Gomorrah. Excuse my heathen ignorance, but this raises a question: I know about Sodom but does anyone know what terrible sin the Gomorrahites were committing to bring down the divine wrath? Had they set up a city-wide health care system or perhaps started developing a scientific method?

117 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 4:57:19pm

Fox’s Bolling: We Should Emulate China With No Labor Laws Or Minimum Wage

Video

118 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:57:31pm

re: #94 palomino

Yeah, I think that was one of the many “enhanced interrogation” techniques used by Jack Bauer over the years.

I don’t mind violence in TV and movies at all. Horror is one of my favorite genres. Except when it verges on torture porn. After a few years watching 24, I got sick of it because it kept moving in that direction.

In one episode, Bauer’s team captured a guy and held him in an interrogation room. You thought Jack might torture him but he just walked in and shot the guy dead on the spot in order to scare some other bad guy.

In another, he shot a guy’s wife to make the guy give up info. And in another, he staged the execution of a guy’s entire family to get info. In TVLand, the good guy always knows the bad guy is hiding X. So problematic moral implications just disappear. Problem is, reality isn’t TVLand.

The thing about the show that was probably most damaging to the national dialog on torture is that it sold the plausibility of the immediate, existential crisis. Where you KNOW there’s a nuclear / chemical / biological bomb in the city, or some assassination plot is in progress, and you KNOW that they guy you have in custody has information that can lead you to it.

The entire setup was so elaborately contrived to sell the necessity of extraordinary measures that the ideology behind it was obvious.

119 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 4:58:19pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve gone off in a strange viewing direction, for me anyway. Specifically, I’ve been watching The Bible on Netflix. It’s still at the early stage where Abraham has gotten his promise from God and the latter is about to nuke Sodom and Gomorrah. Excuse my heathen ignorance, but this raises a question: I know about Sodom but does anyone know what terrible sin the Gomorrahites were committing to bring down the divine wrath? Had they set up a city-wide health care system or perhaps started developing a scientific method?

My understanding is that they wouldn’t answer calls from telemarketers.

120 Iwouldprefernotto  Apr 20, 2014 4:58:34pm
121 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 4:59:59pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

I know about Sodom but does anyone know what terrible sin the Gomorrahites were committing to bring down the divine wrath? Had they set up a city-wide health care system or perhaps started developing a scientific method?

They cut off all the mattress tags prior to actually buying them.

122 aagcobb  Apr 20, 2014 5:01:23pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

Imagine an episode where Bauer is CONVINCED that this guy’s the baddest of all bad guys, but we, the audience know he’s just a cab driver with a wife and kids trying to make a life for himself.

And with us knowing the guy us innocent, Bauer goes through his torture orgy, finally getting the guy to say something just to make it stop.

Nah. That would probably be seen as gratuitous violence.
//

If you wanted to see a Iraq War era show in which gratuitous torture of the enemy was shown for the ugliness it is, watch BattleStar Galactica

123 Political Atheist  Apr 20, 2014 5:02:54pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

I prefer the Black & White a lot - but from me that’s pretty much a given. What I like in this case is that you’re able to bring out the details of the background without losing the highlights of the flame.

But in losing the color you lose a lot of important data about the fire - those colors and flame shapes are specific to temperatures and materials and have deep meaning to anyone even slightly familiar with metallurgy.

That said, I think that for your images with flame what would work even better is to keep them in color but do the digital equivalent of burning in the background details a bit more. In a classic silver print you could cover the flames themselves for a moment to give the area outside of the fire a longer exposure. I’m sure something like that could be done to bring up the background a bit more while maintaining the so very meaningful color of the flame.

Hope this helps.

Good suggestions., thanks.

124 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:03:13pm
125 Lancelot Link  Apr 20, 2014 5:05:58pm

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel

Excuse my heathen ignorance, but this raises a question: I know about Sodom but does anyone know what terrible sin the Gomorrahites were committing to bring down the divine wrath? Had they set up a city-wide health care system or perhaps started developing a scientific method?

Well, according to the actual Bible, Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because the rich, greedy people there refused to help the poor and needy, but for some reason Ezekiel 16:49 never seems to come up in mainstream American Christianity. I wonder why.

126 nines09  Apr 20, 2014 5:10:30pm

Nice to see ABC giving air time to those who know what God likes and what he dislikes. So knowledgeable. Such concise and discerning wisdom all at ones fingertips. Is that why different denominations of Christianity have murdered each other in Gods name for centuries? Because they all “know”? ABC is just doing what idiots do; Serve up more of the bullshit that passes for validity in the idiocracy. So remember them that hath no service but basic cable and morn for them. They know not.

127 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:11:29pm

This Bundy Ranch thing has sure brought out the RW lunatics.

128 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:18:01pm

Awful lot of people showed up at Bundy Moocher’s place during the work week. You suppose they’re all on welfare or some kind of government entitlement program?

129 jaunte  Apr 20, 2014 5:19:23pm

re: #128 Gus

I was wondering about that. Who has time to drop everything and scoot off to Nevada at a moment’s notice, unless you’re not very employed?

130 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 5:19:37pm

re: #125 Lancelot Link

Well, according to the >actual Bible, Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because the rich, greedy people there refused to help the poor and needy, but for some reason Ezekiel 16:49 never seems to come up in mainstream American Christianity. I wonder why.

Yes, they were all homosexuals, just like what they teach in church.

131 lawhawk  Apr 20, 2014 5:21:20pm

re: #128 Gus

Along with their families and kids, which was one of the reasons the BLM didn’t take more forceful actions - the chances of injuring those kids.

132 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 5:21:59pm

And keeping with the Easter theme today,

Hannity Calls Nun A “Communist” For Acknowledging Paul Ryan’s Budget Hurts The Poor

Video

133 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 5:22:18pm

re: #114 jamesfirecat

This is why I loved Burn Notice so much because they took a vastly more realistic approach to getting info out of a person.

I liked Burn Notice because it normally had actual spy tradecraft as part of the plot. going in guns blazing was depicted as the foolishness it normally is, and instead the show focused on how Michael Weston and his team figured out how to win without a bloodbath.

134 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:23:42pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Along with their families and kids, which was one of the reasons the BLM didn’t take more forceful actions - the chances of injuring those kids.

Getting hard to tell the difference between Hezbollah and Oathkeepers.

135 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 5:25:22pm

re: #125 Lancelot Link

Well, according to the >actual Bible, Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed because the rich, greedy people there refused to help the poor and needy, but for some reason Ezekiel 16:49 never seems to come up in mainstream American Christianity. I wonder why.

Even Ezekiel 16:49 only mentions Sodom. Shiplord’s point is that the rising action in Genesis 19 all takes place in Sodom, that’s where Lot lives, where the angels posing as itinerant poor people meet him, where the crowd assembles, etc. One can read Genesis 18 and infer that the two town’s sins are identical, but this isn’t actually stated outright. The first time Gomorrah is mentioned in Genesis 19 God is raining sulfer down on it.

136 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:29:05pm

re: #117 Skip Intro

Fox’s Bolling: We Should Emulate China With No Labor Laws Or Minimum Wage

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Holy crap. ‘There’s nothing better than putting in a hard day’s work’ - YEAH, If they pay you thousands of dollars for that day! But if you don’t even get $70 out of it?

And we should emulate CHINA’S labor laws?

These clowns will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. They’re even worse than the upper management of Syrius Cybernetics.

137 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:29:55pm

re: #128 Gus

re: #129 jaunte

This one is, Social Security and Medicare:

examiner.com

138 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 20, 2014 5:29:58pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Even Ezekiel 16:49 only mentions Sodom. Shiplord’s point is that the rising action in Genesis 19 all takes place in Sodom, that’s where Lot lives, where the angels posing as itinerant poor people meet him, where the crowd assembles, etc. One can read Genesis 18 and infer that the two town’s sins are identical, but this isn’t actually stated outright. The first time Gomorrah is mentioned in Genesis 19 God is raining sulfer down on it.

That’s because his initial targeting was off and he hit the wrong town since they all look the same from orbit. So he corrected, stared everyone down, and no one was willing to call him on it.
//

139 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:30:07pm

re: #122 aagcobb

If you wanted to see a Iraq War era show in which gratuitous torture of the enemy was shown for the ugliness it is, watch BattleStar Galactica

I did. It was good.

140 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:30:27pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Even Ezekiel 16:49 only mentions Sodom. Shiplord’s point is that the rising action in Genesis 19 all takes place in Sodom, that’s where Lot lives, where the angels posing as itinerant poor people meet him, where the crowd assembles, etc. One can read Genesis 18 and infer that the two town’s sins are identical, but this isn’t actually stated outright. The first time Gomorrah is mentioned in Genesis 19 God is raining sulfer down on it.

Collateral damage.

141 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:32:37pm
142 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 5:32:57pm

“Sodom” is mentioned several times in the religious writings.

It appears as if the late Antiquity writers/editors of the religious texts found “Sodom” a very useful literary tool, as the ultimate warning to the faithful.

There is no archaeological “Sodom”.

143 EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2014 5:33:24pm

re: #140 Decatur Deb

Collateral damage.

Well, the OT deity is a thoroughly unpleasant character. Collateral damage is one of its lesser sins.

144 missliberties  Apr 20, 2014 5:35:14pm

re: #128 Gus

Awful lot of people showed up at Bundy Moocher’s place during the work week. You suppose they’re all on welfare or some kind of government entitlement program?

That IS an excellent question.

145 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:35:15pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

I liked Burn Notice because it normally had actual spy tradecraft as part of the plot. going in guns blazing was depicted as the foolishness it normally is, and instead the show focused on how Michael Weston and his team figured out how to win without a bloodbath.

Well, I guess I better go watch it. Liking Bruce Campbell as I do, I’m surprised I never watched it. Too many shows, and life’s too short. Of course, now all the comedies have people much younger than I, with whom I have less and less in common. Now I know why my folks gradually stopped watching TV.

Man, this is starting to get into self-pitying “When I was younger” territory!

146 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 5:35:26pm

re: #141 Gus

Oh yeah - had a post about that. They strategized on puttin’ the womenfolk in the front line, so if the BLM opened fire everbody’d see how inhuman they was.

147 lawhawk  Apr 20, 2014 5:35:31pm

re: #136 GeneJockey

Only some of those labor laws. Not the 1 child only policy, or birth control. Or government health care. Or the taxes.

No, they just want to drive down workplace protections, eliminate the minimum wage, and fleece the rubes. Same as it has always been.

148 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:35:40pm

re: #142 freetoken

“Sodom” is mentioned several times in the religious writings.

It appears as if the late Antiquity writers/editors of the religious texts found “Sodom” a very useful literary tool, as the ultimate warning to the faithful.

There is no archaeological “Sodom”.

It was a totally non-biblical “nuns’ story” in our school that the cities are under the Dead Sea. That’s why it was dead.

149 Stephen T.  Apr 20, 2014 5:36:36pm

re: #136 GeneJockey

Holy crap. ‘There’s nothing better than putting in a hard day’s work’ - YEAH, If they pay you thousands of dollars for that day! But if you don’t even get $70 out of it?

And we should emulate CHINA’S labor laws?

These clowns will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. They’re even worse than the upper management of Syrius Cybernetics.

The ultimate goal is and has always been to bring back slavery, only this time it won’t be based only on race.

150 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:37:24pm

re: #147 lawhawk

Only some of those labor laws. Not the 1 child only policy, or birth control. Or government health care. Or the taxes.

No, they just want to drive down workplace protections, eliminate the minimum wage, and fleece the rubes. Same as it has always been.

They want to undo every worker protection or program passed since 1932.

151 EPR-radar  Apr 20, 2014 5:37:24pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

The thing about the show that was probably most damaging to the national dialog on torture is that it sold the plausibility of the immediate, existential crisis. Where you KNOW there’s a nuclear / chemical / biological bomb in the city, or some assassination plot is in progress, and you KNOW that they guy you have in custody has information that can lead you to it.

The entire setup was so elaborately contrived to sell the necessity of extraordinary measures that the ideology behind it was obvious.

It’s a compelling example of self-propagandizing in action. After 9/11 I think it was inevitable that 24 or something like it would be produced as part of the collective madness of the times.

152 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:37:44pm

re: #149 Stephen T.

The ultimate goal is and has always been to bring back slavery, only this time it won’t be based only on race.

And they won’t provide slave quarters or company towns.

153 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 5:38:29pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

It was a totally non-biblical “nuns’ story” in our school that the cities are under the Dead Sea. That’s why it was dead.

That so much of our current society are still stuck on Hasmonean and Herodian era superstitions is a sad thing, really.

154 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:38:57pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Even Ezekiel 16:49 only mentions Sodom. Shiplord’s point is that the rising action in Genesis 19 all takes place in Sodom, that’s where Lot lives, where the angels posing as itinerant poor people meet him, where the crowd assembles, etc. One can read Genesis 18 and infer that the two town’s sins are identical, but this isn’t actually stated outright. The first time Gomorrah is mentioned in Genesis 19 God is raining sulfer down on it.

If Gomorrah were evil, like Sodom allegedly was, there’d be some sexual position or approach called ‘Gomorramy’.

155 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 5:39:29pm

re: #127 Gus

This Bundy Ranch thing has sure brought out the RW lunatics.

It excites them. They think it’s the beginning of the Revolution to Overthrow King Obama.

156 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:39:53pm

re: #149 Stephen T.

The ultimate goal is and has always been to bring back slavery, only this time it won’t be based only on race.

“RAISE? You’re lucky we don’t FIRE you!”

157 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 5:40:11pm
158 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:40:41pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

They want to undo every worker protection or program passed since 1932.

1911

massaflcio.org

159 TedStriker  Apr 20, 2014 5:41:04pm

re: #122 aagcobb

If you wanted to see a Iraq War era show in which gratuitous torture of the enemy was shown for the ugliness it is, watch BattleStar Galactica

re: #139 GeneJockey

I did. It was good.

Ronald D. Moore (the showrunner for the last season of Star Trek: TNG and season 3 onward of Star Trek: DS9 and one of the main screenwriters for both series and part of the first season of ST: Voyager [usually teaming with Brannon Braga on scripts]) is a big reason why the Battlestar Galactica reboot was, on the whole, so damned good.

160 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:42:01pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

If Gomorrah were evil, like Sodom allegedly was, there’d be some sexual position or approach called ‘Gomorramy’.

Don’t Google that. Rule 34.

161 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 20, 2014 5:42:03pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

If Gomorrah were evil, like Sodom allegedly was, there’d be some sexual position or approach called ‘Gomorramy’.

It’s a lot like a venus butterfly, but inverted, with snorkels.

RBS

162 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:43:04pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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It’s a RW convergence. Bringing together far-right loons, Oathkeepers, Republicans, wingnuts, Infowars, Alex Jones, Drudge, racists, KKK, EIEIO all together.

163 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:44:02pm

re: #159 TedStriker

Ronald D. Moore (the showrunner for the last season of Star Trek: TNG and season 3 onward of Star Trek: DS9 and a main screenwriter for both series and part of the first series of ST: Voyager) is a big reason why the Battlestar Galactica reboot was, oo the whole, so damned good.

I confess when I heard they were going to reboot ‘Cattlecar’ I thought, “Sheesh. Are there NO new ideas anymore?”

Turns out there were. And multiple Tricia Helfers was a good, new idea.

164 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:44:31pm

Dana and Cris Loesch were leading the Twitter charge so you know we’re looking at the cream of the crop here.

165 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:44:53pm

Joe Walsh… hahaha.

166 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:45:03pm

re: #162 Gus

It’s a RW convergence. Bringing together far-right loons, Oathkeepers, Republicans, wingnuts, Infowars, Alex Jones, Drudge, racists, KKK, EIEIO all together.

Perhaps we should encourage them to all gather there, and build a fence around Nevada.

167 prairiefire  Apr 20, 2014 5:45:12pm

Both of the Graham children got it all wrong. Back in the day, Billy Graham’s radio show helped my grandmother quite a bit with a difficult marriage. His kids though, yeesh. The daughter was on Fox news after 9/11, around 2004. She was asked about Iraq and all she said in reply was “We were attacked! We were attacked!” She looked like a snapping skull with no brain activity at all.

168 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:45:17pm

Joe Walsh
Alex Jones
Dana Loesch
Oathkeepers

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 20, 2014 5:45:56pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

Perhaps we should encourage them to all gather there, and build a fence around Nevada.

What wanders into Nevada stays in Nevada. Sounds like some kind of modified (and large) roach motel.
//

170 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 20, 2014 5:47:13pm

re: #117 Skip Intro

Fox’s Bolling: We Should Emulate China With No Labor Laws Or Minimum Wage

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Some quick rejoinders after watching that segment:
1. Everyone but the old guy in the white shirt is an idiot, and I’m not too sure about him.
2. Despite Bolling’s opinion, China does have a minimum wage law, which is not enforced very rigidly.
3. Workers in China do work very hard, because if they don’t, or if they miss a day, come in late, or get sick, they will lose their job.
4. Workers in China are beginning to rebel. No labor unions yet, but give them a couple of decades more.
5. Most Chinese workers work 6 days a week, often for 12 hours a day (especially factory workers). They get one week off for Spring Festival, and a few long weekends scattered throughout the year.
6. China produces a lot of stuff because there are a lot of Chinese. They are not necessarily more productive per capita than American workers doing similar jobs.
7. The dark-haired chick in the green dress has not been paying attention to Germany’s employment situation. Its economy is better than ours, IIRC.

171 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:47:15pm

re: #166 GeneJockey

Perhaps we should encourage them to all gather there, and build a fence around Nevada.

Concrete wall with razor wire on top. Then put some surveillance cameras every 100 yards with built in water canon and a crowd dispersal agent feature.

//

172 Lancelot Link  Apr 20, 2014 5:48:31pm

re: #162 Gus

It’s a RW convergence. Bringing together far-right loons, Oathkeepers, Republicans, wingnuts, Infowars, Alex Jones, Drudge, racists, KKK, EIEIO all together.

….rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

173 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 5:48:44pm

Just got tweeted at by some #BundyRanch weirdo with 30,000 followers. Blocked and muted.

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 20, 2014 5:48:47pm

re: #171 Gus

Concrete wall with razor wire on top. Then put some surveillance cameras every 100 yards with built in water canon and a crowd dispersal agent feature.

//

How about a moat with sharks with lasers on their heads. And tell them that it’s the feasibility study for border defense.
//

175 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:50:02pm

re: #171 Gus

Concrete wall with razor wire on top. Then put some surveillance cameras every 100 yards with built in water canon and a crowd dispersal agent feature.

//

Tell them it’s there to protect them from the Illegals.

176 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:50:18pm

re: #172 Lancelot Link

….rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

All in frontier gibberish…

Spit-toon!

[Dobro slide.]

177 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 5:50:47pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Tell them it’s there to protect them from the Illegals.

True that. Bundy said “I ain’t no American citizen.” //

178 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 5:51:06pm
179 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:51:23pm

re: #170 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

Some quick rejoinders after watching that segment:
1. Everyone but the old guy in the white shirt is an idiot, and I’m not too sure about him.
2. Despite Bolling’s opinion, China does have a minimum wage law, which is not enforced very rigidly.
3. Workers in China do work very hard, because if they don’t, or if they miss a day, come in late, or get sick, they will lose their job.
4. Workers in China are beginning to rebel. No labor unions yet, but give them a couple of decades more.
5. Most Chinese workers work 6 days a week, often for 12 hours a day (especially factory workers). They get one week off for Spring Festival, and a few long weekends scattered throughout the year.
6. China produces a lot of stuff because there are a lot of Chinese. They are not necessarily more productive per capita than American workers doing similar jobs.
7. The dark-haired chick in the green dress has not been paying attention to Germany’s employment situation. Its economy is better than ours, IIRC.

It’s all ‘Decadent Socialist Europe’ like this is the 70s or something. That’s what’s stuck in their heads. They have no real idea what’s going on there.

The other thing is, Bolling wants American workers to work harder under less safe conditions for longer hours, and receive less pay. WHO THE FUCK IS GONNA BUY THE GOODS?

180 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:52:12pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Tell them it’s there to protect them from the Illegals.

“How come the guns all point inward?”

181 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 5:53:11pm

re: #180 GeneJockey

“How come the guns all point inward?”

Look to your left. Look to the right. One of you is Illegal.

182 TedStriker  Apr 20, 2014 5:53:37pm

re: #163 GeneJockey

I confess when I heard they were going to reboot ‘Cattlecar’ I thought, “Sheesh. Are there NO new ideas anymore?”

Turns out there were. And multiple Tricia Helfers was a good, new idea.

Ronald Moore was one of the brightest spots of the Berman/Braga era of Star Trek; though he was a primary screenwriter for much of TNG’s run, the last season under his direction was one of the best of the series and DS9 after he took over as showrunner got pretty damned good, getting pretty gritty with the long-running Dominion War story arc.

With the BG reboot, he caught lightning in a bottle for a third time.

183 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 20, 2014 5:54:37pm

re: #179 GeneJockey

My daughter worked in France for a year as an au pair. While there, even as a guest worker, she still could take advantage of the health care system and got necessary dental work done for the equivalent of $25.

If that’s evil socialism, sign me up!

184 allegro  Apr 20, 2014 5:55:33pm

re: #155 palomino

It excites them. They think it’s the beginning of the Revolution to Overthrow King Obama.

I suspect it’s more of a gladiator thing. They just want a good, bloody show to give them woodies and shit.

185 GeneJockey  Apr 20, 2014 5:55:35pm

re: #183 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

My daughter worked in France for a year as an au pair. While there, even as a guest worker, she still could take advantage of the health care system and got necessary dental work done for the equivalent of $25.

If that’s evil socialism, sign me up!

Bur our rich people are richer than theirs, so they lose.

Somehow.

186 Lidane  Apr 20, 2014 5:55:53pm
187 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 5:58:17pm

We want our magick, and we want it now:

Barbara Ehrenreich: I’m an Atheist, But Don’t Rule Out “Mystical Experiences”

Barbara Ehrenreich, the best-selling author of Nickel and Dimed: The (Futile) Pursuit of the American Dream, is generally known for reportage on subjects such as the minimum wage and the rights of workers. But this month she has released a new book that is less a change of pace than a step in an entirely different direction.

Living With a Wild God: A Nonbeliver’s Search for the Truth About Everything is Ehrenreich’s personal story of mystical experiences that she says first occurred when she was a girl. It is also a critique of science for failing to adequately investigate experiences like her own. The book has aroused controversy and discussion, in part because it comes from such an unexpected source.

[…]

IC: So there is no difference between perceiving a spirit and perceiving a chair? I am confused.

BE: It takes work to even perceive the world that you and I share. Protons travel to my eyes but the brain has to do a lot of work to say, “desk, chair, table.”

[…]

Perhaps Ms. Ehrenreich might want to stop staring along the beam route at CERN?

Moving on:

[…]

IC: Well, there is no end to the number of things that might be there.

BE: That’s right.

[…]

IC: I agree with you. But there isn’t evidence for spiritual figures in the room either.

BE: Well, we need to find out.

This is like a textbook entry on fallacies.

188 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 5:59:11pm
189 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Apr 20, 2014 5:59:44pm

I somehow made it through the entire video. I was disappointed that at no point did Christopher Hitchens swoop down like Superman onto the panel and reductio ad absurdum the entire conversation in a single sentence.

190 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:00:41pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Except Lisp.

Lisp is not to be understood by mere mortals.

191 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 6:01:56pm

re: #189 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I somehow made it through the entire video. I was disappointed that at no point did Christopher Hitchens swoop down like Superman onto the panel and reductio ad absurdum the entire conversation in a single sentence.

It’s really awful to see ABC News putting these people on the air to spout their caveman fanaticism, despite everything we know about them. For Pete’s sake, Ralph Reed. I never thought I’d see this guy return to public appearances.

192 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 20, 2014 6:01:57pm

Following up on my #170:

More than 30,000 shoe workers in China are on strike, because their employers did not make payments to workers’ retirement plans.

Thousands of Chinese spent their “best years” making Nike shoes and now have no pensions

193 Romantic Heretic  Apr 20, 2014 6:02:21pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Notice how Graham sleazes around what he’s really saying - he doesn’t use the word hell, he say gays can “absolutely” go to heaven, all they have to do is repent.

The unvarnished version of what he’s saying is that if you love a person of the same sex, you’re going to spend eternity in horrific torment. But hey, you had a chance to repent.

When I was a kid I used to pray for a bicycle. Then one day I realized I was doing it wrong. So I stole a bicycle and prayed for forgiveness instead. - Steve Wright.

194 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:02:37pm

There isn’t much of a difference between Barbara Ehrenreich’s statements and that of the DiscoTute, or any of the various religious apologia outlets.

195 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 20, 2014 6:03:27pm

re: #186 Lidane

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“You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.”

-Dorothy Parker when challenged to use the word “horticulture” in a sentence (probably apocryphal).

196 Charles Johnson  Apr 20, 2014 6:04:30pm

re: #190 freetoken

Lisp is an odd bird, this is true. But still - flow control and data structures are its main tools, just strangely represented.

197 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 6:07:44pm

re: #187 freetoken

We want our magick, and we want it now:

Barbara Ehrenreich: I’m an Atheist, But Don’t Rule Out “Mystical Experiences”

[…]

Perhaps Ms. Ehrenreich might want to stop staring along the beam route at CERN?

Moving on:

[…]

IC: I agree with you. But there isn’t evidence for spiritual figures in the room either.

This is like a textbook entry on fallacies.

Barbara doesn’t need a scientist; she needs a psychiatrist.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2014 6:10:44pm
April 20, 2014 marks the 100th anniversary of the Ludlow Massacre, described by Howard Zinn as “the culminating act of perhaps the most violent struggle between corporate power and laboring men in American history. This was the Colorado coal strike that began in September 1913 and culminated in the ‘Ludlow Massacre’ of April 1914.”

100th Anniversary of the Ludlow Massacre
Ludlow Massacre: April 20, 1914

199 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 6:11:53pm

re: #187 freetoken

We want our magick, and we want it now:

Barbara Ehrenreich: I’m an Atheist, But Don’t Rule Out “Mystical Experiences”

[…]

Perhaps Ms. Ehrenreich might want to stop staring along the beam route at CERN?

Moving on:

[…]

IC: I agree with you. But there isn’t evidence for spiritual figures in the room either.

This is like a textbook entry on fallacies.

Mystical experiences are easy—had at least two mild ones. First was result of sleep/food deprivation, second was extreme fatigue and a bit of hypoxia in a UH-1.

(Come to think of it, the loss of sleep and 8000 ft cabin pressure on a long commercial flight often put me in a ‘poetic’ mood.)

200 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:14:28pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

I tried to post a comment over there but some software hurdle I can’t jump prevents me.

201 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:20:32pm

And now, to the important stuff:

Special Report: Obama’s Easter Sunday Style Evolution

He fits well on a fashion cover:
imgry.pressly.com

202 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 6:21:33pm

Oh great. SPLC recently hired a friend of Max Blumenthal, David Neiwert.

203 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 6:22:23pm

re: #172 Lancelot Link

….rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

Most of those wingnuts wouldn’t like working for Hedley Lamarr, since he was known to keep standards enforced:

Youtube Video

204 Amory Blaine  Apr 20, 2014 6:23:11pm

Hannity gives classless clowns a bad name.

205 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:25:08pm

re: #202 Gus

I think he’s a fan of GG also.

206 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 6:26:01pm

re: #205 freetoken

I think he’s a fan of GG also.

Thanks. Fixed.

207 Stanley Sea  Apr 20, 2014 6:27:06pm

re: #201 freetoken

And now, to the important stuff:

Special Report: Obama’s Easter Sunday Style Evolution

He fits well on a fashion cover:
imgry.pressly.com

Today, he looked GQ.

208 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 6:27:20pm

Florida Man

Deputies: Florida man suffocated crying son so he could play Xbox

mcall.com

209 Bear  Apr 20, 2014 6:28:09pm

I saw what I think was a great bumper sticker.

My fat cat is smarter than your honor student.

210 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 6:30:50pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Most of those wingnuts wouldn’t like working for Hedley Lamarr, since he was known to keep standards enforced:

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The Bundys are apparently settling in for a long season—they are recruiting replacement bozos for rotation on months to come. Also soliciting supplies and equipment. Interestingly, all ‘security’ volunteers must place themselves under control of an Oathkeeper from New Hampshire.

santafenewmexican.com

ammoland.com

211 Lidane  Apr 20, 2014 6:31:37pm
212 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 6:32:07pm

re: #190 freetoken

Except Lisp.

Lisp is not to be understood by mere mortals.

Meh, Good LISP is far easier to understand that C that’s bit banging hardware. Drivers or kernel level task switch are far meaner than LISP.

213 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 6:33:53pm

Meanwhile, back on topic:

S. Korean Surgeon ‘Going to Hell’ for Sex Reassignment Surgeries

[…]

Kim says that his pastor at the time objected to his decision, and that friends and fellow doctors would joke he was “going to hell,” although not everyone is joking. Sex reassignment surgeries “are a blasphemy against God and make the world a more miserable place,” said the Rev. Hong Jae Chul, president of the Seoul-based Christian Council of Korea. As to Kim’s defense of his views? Hong calls it “cursed and deplorable.” Kim, however, feels confident that he is making a real difference in the lives of trans people because he is correcting God’s mistakes.

[…]

214 Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2014 6:34:08pm

re: #200 freetoken

I tried to post a comment over there but some software hurdle I can’t jump prevents me.

That was a painful read. I know I killed some brain cells reading that.

215 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2014 6:38:03pm

ouch!

216 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 6:38:44pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

The Bundys are apparently settling in for a long season—they are recruiting replacement bozos for rotation on months to come. Also soliciting supplies and equipment. Interestingly, all ‘security’ volunteers must place themselves under control of an Oathkeeper from New Hampshire.

santafenewmexican.com

ammoland.com

If he’s actually got some small-unit command experience that makes sense. That would also fall under the heading of Not Good News, since someone who knows what he is doing could make a raid a bloody affair.

A competent enemy is less likely to go off at you half-cocked, but he’s more likely to give you a hard fight.

217 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 6:40:33pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

If he’s actually got some small-unit command experience that makes sense. That would also fall under the heading of Not Good News, since someone who knows what he is doing could make a raid a bloody affair.

A competent enemy is less likely to go off at you half-cocked, but he’s more likely to give you a hard fight.

They’ll be at each other with broken beer bottles in a week. (Does Bundy run a ‘dry’ compound?)

218 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 6:41:00pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

If he’s actually got some small-unit command experience that makes sense. That would also fall under the heading of Not Good News, since someone who knows what he is doing could make a raid a bloody affair.

A competent enemy is less likely to go off at you half-cocked, but he’s more likely to give you a hard fight.

A patient besieger will always win in the end. Once you cut off supplies, time is on your side.

219 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 6:42:35pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

The Bundys are apparently settling in for a long season—they are recruiting replacement bozos for rotation on months to come. Also soliciting supplies and equipment. Interestingly, all ‘security’ volunteers must place themselves under control of an Oathkeeper from New Hampshire.

santafenewmexican.com

ammoland.com

It gets worse: This ‘head of security’, Jerry DeLemus, is a Marine veteran, so other wingnuts toasted him with ‘Semper Fi!’. That phrase should burn in his ears, damn it! Because one thing Jerry DeLemus is NOT being is ‘Always Faithful’!

“Oath Keepers”, Hell! Oath Breakers is more like it!

220 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 6:43:47pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

Sorry about the display of temper, its just that the wingnuts gross misuse of the Marine Corps motto pushed my ‘Berserk Button’.

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 6:45:18pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

It gets worse: This ‘head of security’, Jerry DeLemus, is a Marine veteran, so other wingnuts toasted him with ‘Semper Fi!’. That phrase should burn in his ears, damn it! Because one thing Jerry DeLemus is NOT being is ‘Always Faithful’!

“Oath Keepers”, Hell! Oath Breakers is more like it!

That’s what I’ve always called them. It’s purely because Obama is a black man - if he were a white Republican, without changing anything else, they’d be orgasmically happy with him.

He, too, can be starved out with enough patience.

222 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 6:46:32pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Sorry about the display of temper, its just that the wingnuts gross misuse of the Marine Corps motto pushed my ‘Berserk Button’.

I was an Army NCO and it still PO’s me too, DF.

Why some of my best friends are Marines … ////////////// ;)

223 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 6:53:58pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

The Bundys are apparently settling in for a long season—they are recruiting replacement bozos for rotation on months to come. Also soliciting supplies and equipment. Interestingly, all ‘security’ volunteers must place themselves under control of an Oathkeeper from New Hampshire.

santafenewmexican.com

ammoland.com

Feds should just arrest and charge as many as they have evidence on as they rotate out or go into town. Hit ‘em hard, scoping federal employees and kidnapping charges for detaining BLM agents against their will. Build up a RICO case against both the ranch and the Oathkeepers, then take all their toys, guns, computers, vehicles, and any homes in which the conspiracies have been discussed and furthered.

Hopefully the feds have people inside already gathering evidence and federal district attorneys constructing a file.

224 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 6:56:10pm
225 goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2014 6:57:31pm

Once the ranch and the Oathkeepers are named under RICO indictments the feds can probably prevent any FDA licensed slaughterhouses from processing their cattle. Also freeze all their bank accounts and then cordon off the entire area surrounding the ranch. Starve ‘em out.

226 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 6:59:37pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

Feds should just arrest and charge as many as they have evidence on as they rotate out or go into town. Hit ‘em hard, scoping federal employees and kidnapping charges for detaining BLM agents against their will. Build up a RICO case against both the ranch and the Oathkeepers, then take all their toys, guns, computers, vehicles, and any homes in which the conspiracies have been discussed and furthered.

Hopefully the feds have people inside already gathering evidence and federal district attorneys constructing a file.

Bundy has (probably accidentally) developed a better derptrap. The most passionate and least introspective of the RWNJs will roll through the place like a turnstile.

227 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 7:00:29pm

re: #221 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s what I’ve always called them. It’s purely because Obama is a black man - if he were a white Republican, without changing anything else, they’d be orgasmically happy with him.

He, too, can be starved out with enough patience.

Personally, I refer to them as Oaf Creepers

228 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:01:41pm

re: #202 Gus

Oh great. SPLC recently hired a friend of Max Blumenthal, David Neiwert.

He looks like another generic anti-religious progressive, nothing too outlandish. Is he a douche?

229 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 7:02:51pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

He looks like another generic anti-religious progressive, nothing too outlandish. Is he a douche?

I don’t know. Sort of stopped looking, unfollowed, and moved onto other things. I’m like that.

230 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 7:03:04pm
231 Lancelot Link  Apr 20, 2014 7:06:19pm

re: #205 freetoken

I think he’s a fan of GG also.

Really? That’s sort of surprising, since they were on opposite sides regarding the white supremacist/domestic terrorist movement last time i was paying attention to Niewart.

232 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:07:06pm

re: #229 Gus

moved onto other things. I’m like that.

look

shiny things!!

/

233 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:08:02pm

If they all have AR-type rifles, then perhaps the answer is to see if there’s any chance of blowing dirt or sand anytime soon. If so, then load up the raid team with rifles with gas-pistons instead of M4s. Then just watch the wingnuts’ guns jam when the sand and dirt gets in ‘em. [evil grin]

234 Gus  Apr 20, 2014 7:08:35pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

moved onto other things. I’m like that.

look

shiny things!!

/

Multitasking between looking at my photography list, breaking drone attacks against AQ in Yemen, phone call, and, fucking with CNN.

235 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:09:11pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

[evil grin]

You should have that looked at before it freezes that way!

236 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:10:49pm

re: #234 Gus

Multitasking between looking at my photography list, breaking drone attacks against AQ in Yemen, phone call, and, fucking with CNN.

heh
me,,,,eating a sammich,,,, simmering a pot of ‘sketty sauce and meatballs for the week,,, watching the Red Sox ,,,,texting with a buddy planning where to golf in the ‘morrow

237 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:10:54pm

re: #232 sattv4u2

moved onto other things. I’m like that.

look

shiny things!!

/

Bird!

238 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:12:00pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Bird!

Larry? No, he retired. !!

239 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:13:20pm

re: #234 Gus

Multitasking between looking at my photography list, breaking drone attacks against AQ in Yemen, phone call, and, fucking with CNN.

another drone attack? Alan Grayson is having a really tough weekend
Source: ‘Massive’ attack targets al Qaeda in Yemen

An operation targeting al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is under way in Yemen, a high-level Yemeni government official who is being briefed on the strikes told CNN on Monday.

The official said that the scale of the strikes against AQAP is “massive and unprecedented” and that at least 30 militants have been killed. The operation involved Yemeni commandos who are now “going after high-level AQAP targets,” the official said.

240 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:14:37pm

Interesting…

The predawn strikes targeted a mountain ridge in the southern province of Abyan, the official said. It’s the same area where scores of followers of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had gathered recently to hear from Nasir al-Wuhayshi, the head of the terrorist network’s Yemeni branch and the global organization’s “crown prince,” the official said.

241 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:14:42pm

re: #239 Killgore Trout

at least 30 militants have been killed.

Mr. # 31 didn’t think he’d be in charge this fast!!!!!

242 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 7:16:05pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

at least 30 militants have been killed.

Mr. # 31 didn’t think he’d be in charge this fast!!!!!

Upward mobility is an AQ recruiting strength.

243 Single-handed sailor  Apr 20, 2014 7:16:16pm

re: #234 Gus

Multitasking between looking at my photography list, breaking drone attacks against AQ in Yemen, phone call, and, fucking with CNN.

It would seem that CNN’s previous headline questioning whether the US missed the AQ meeting last week was premature, the military appears to have just waited to track the attendees back to their camps.

244 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:16:31pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

at least 30 militants have been killed.

Mr. # 31 didn’t think he’d be in charge this fast!!!!!

Everyone who’s not dead gets a promotion!

245 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:17:28pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Upward mobility is an AQ recruiting strength.

but “Job Security” isn’t!!!

246 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:18:04pm
247 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 7:18:15pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Nah, Just get an army unit and tell them their op-for uniform is a Blue Helmet cover and then arm them with FN-FAL’s and watch the wingnuts freak. … O_o

Could even air assault the place from black painted UH-60s but that might be a bit too much fun.

248 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 7:18:20pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

but “Job Security” isn’t!!!

That retirement fund just keeps growing.

249 Belafon  Apr 20, 2014 7:18:55pm

re: #245 sattv4u2

“You get to keep this job until you die.”

250 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:20:34pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

That retirement fund just keeps growing.

real estate in the cemeteries keeps shrinking

251 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:23:59pm

Security sweeps through slums in Brazil feature more ‘distractions’ than are found in Iraq or Afghanistan.

252 Mattand  Apr 20, 2014 7:27:44pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

Only in your massive head wound influenced worldview can such actions be conflated with a fundamentalist focus on controlling the other.

“Massive head wound influenced worldview”.

Major LOL IRL here. I’m so stealing that. And good observation, BTW.

253 Killgore Trout  Apr 20, 2014 7:28:13pm

Drone strike, 4/20 and a new Game of Thrones tonight. It’s my luck day.

254 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:29:18pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Security sweeps through slums in Brazil feature more ‘distractions’ than are found in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The World Cup (soccer) starts there soon as well as preparations for the 2016 Summer Olympics

255 Mattand  Apr 20, 2014 7:32:31pm

As for the original post: first, CNN talking to marketing experts about whether a century old racist bunch of chuckleheads can hide their white power platform.

Then, ABC trots out some fanatics to remind everyone of religion’s special power to promote bigotry.

At least The Mentalist started on time tonight.

Happy Easter.

256 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:33:24pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

The World Cup (soccer) starts there soon as well as preparations for the 2016 Summer Olympics

I know that’s the reason for the sweeps. But given that it’s Brazil, there are few photos of these sweeps that feature some good-looking women.

What can I say, I’m male and heterosexual.

257 Decatur Deb  Apr 20, 2014 7:35:49pm

Showing that all will not be smooth sailing in the Bundy compound, this first-person account expresses an opinion on Sheriff Mack and the Oathkeepers’ Stuart Rhodes. It is apparently from a woman in the RWNJ front.

The link is a Google cache—I don’t like to send people directly into the maw of madness.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

258 Lidane  Apr 20, 2014 7:39:20pm

Watching the latest episode of Cosmos. This show keeps getting better and better, IMO. It’s nice to see real science on TV.

And as a way to really piss off the creationist nutbars, Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained how they settled on the Young Earth age, then he proceeded to dismantle it almost immediately. The derp should be glorious.

259 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 7:40:40pm

re: #251 Dark_Falcon

Security sweeps through slums in Brazil feature more ‘distractions’ than are found in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Gotta be wealthy and in one of those nice gated places to have - what? Security? Privacy? Liberty? Equality? Hell, even fraternity? while living in Brazil.

The choice of where to live is the biggest reason I say to GG: Kiss. My, Fat. White. Ass.

260 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:41:06pm

re: #258 Lidane

Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained how they settled on the Young Earth age, then he proceeded to dismantle it almost immediately. The derp should be glorious.

How so? Doubtful any of them are watching it !

261 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 7:41:52pm

re: #258 Lidane

Watching the latest episode of Cosmos. This show keeps getting better and better, IMO. It’s nice to see real science on TV.

And as a way to really piss off the creationist nutbars, Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained how they settled on the Young Earth age, then he proceeded to dismantle it almost immediately. The derp should be glorious.

Oh, that will be good to see. Smack them all down as hard as possible. Amen ;)

262 Lidane  Apr 20, 2014 7:42:27pm

re: #260 sattv4u2

How so? Doubtful any of them are watching it !

Of course they’re watching it. They can’t help themselves.

263 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 7:47:02pm

re: #262 Lidane

Of course they’re watching it. They can’t help themselves.

Hmmm,,,,, prolly not
People that have beliefs like that don’t like to see/read/hear anything that goes against their belief. They WOULD be all over it if it SUPPORTED what they “know”

264 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:47:17pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

Showing that all will not be smooth sailing in the Bundy compound, this first-person account expresses an opinion on Sheriff Mack and the Oathkeepers’ Stuart Rhodes. It is apparently from a woman in the RWNJ front.

The link is a Google cache—I don’t like to send people directly into the maw of madness.

webcache.googleusercontent.com

For a wonder, it looks like Mack was actually looking to douse the flames this time, while the writer wanted to see an inferno. Maybe Mack understands what the ultimate result of a shootout would be.

Also interesting that the nut keeps referring to Academi PMCs being there.

265 Kragar  Apr 20, 2014 7:47:40pm

re: #258 Lidane

Watching the latest episode of Cosmos. This show keeps getting better and better, IMO. It’s nice to see real science on TV.

And as a way to really piss off the creationist nutbars, Neil DeGrasse Tyson explained how they settled on the Young Earth age, then he proceeded to dismantle it almost immediately. The derp should be glorious.

And somewhere in Missouri, a station managers is screaming into a phone “GO TO COMMERCIAL! GO TO COMMERCIAL!”

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 7:49:30pm

re: #263 sattv4u2

Hmmm,,,,, prolly not
People that have beliefs like that don’t like to see/read/hear anything that goes against their belief. They WOULD be all over it if it SUPPORTED what they “know”

The True Believers watch so that they can learn the “bad guy” arguments. They want to believe they can all be like the guy at the big creationist debate. What they forget is their kids are watching too and learn what God’s truth is and that hurts fundies more than anything.

267 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 20, 2014 7:53:16pm

Hey Df, looking at that tumblr you linked to earlier & saw this freaking holy grail rifle - a Winchester 1895 musket in 7.62x54R… Seriously beautiful.

gunrunnerhell.tumblr.com

268 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:55:28pm

Really CNN, really?

Malaysia Airlines flight has landing gear trouble, returns safely to Kuala Lumpur

Malaysia Airlines Flight 192 landed safely Sunday after returning to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, because its landing gear had malfunctioned on takeoff.

The Boeing 737 with 166 people on board touched down just before 2 a.m. local time (2 p.m. ET), the airline said on its Twitter feed.

269 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 7:56:35pm

re: #267 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Df, looking at that tumblr you linked to earlier & saw this freaking holy grail rifle - a Winchester 1895 musket in 7.62x54R… Seriously beautiful.

gunrunnerhell.tumblr.com

I saw it too. Lovely specimen of one of John Browning’s classic lever-action rifles.

270 bratwurst  Apr 20, 2014 7:58:53pm

Wow, the wingnuts are REALLY going to blow a gasket over Cosmos tonight….creationists AND dishonest scientific advocacy on behalf of the oil industry all get a sound bashing.

271 sattv4u2  Apr 20, 2014 8:00:09pm

and on that note, the long short quiet drive walk home upstairs beckons

272 Lidane  Apr 20, 2014 8:09:51pm

Oh, it got so much better. The whole episode starts off talking about the age of the Earth. Hence the debunking of the Young Earth nonsense of a 6000 year old planet.

The rest of the episode largely centered on telling the story of Clair Patterson, who not only aged the Earth based on uranium-lead dating, but his discovery of unnatural and inconsistent levels of lead sent him on a crusade to get rid of lead in things like gasoline and paint because they were a danger to the public health. The show didn’t flinch from talking about scientists being paid by industry to confuse the public by doing things like claiming that lead was naturally occurring and that there was no public health risk, etc.

I could almost hear the same exact arguments being made about the paid science shills that are trying to obscure AGW and other public health issues. It was great. There’s going to be lots of derp about this one for sure.

273 prairiefire  Apr 20, 2014 8:12:19pm

I believe in the spiritual realm! Happy Easter! (ducks)

274 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  Apr 20, 2014 8:19:31pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Really CNN, really?

Malaysia Airlines flight has landing gear trouble, returns safely to Kuala Lumpur

[Embedded image]

BREAKING: Planes land, take off safely all around the world.

UPDATE: Francisco Franco is still dead.

275 prairiefire  Apr 20, 2014 8:20:34pm

re: #274 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window

“Still dead?” That guy was a son of a bitch!

276 Single-handed sailor  Apr 20, 2014 8:55:55pm

re: #275 prairiefire

“Still dead?” That guy was a son of a bitch!

context

Youtube Video

277 Political Atheist  Apr 20, 2014 9:26:45pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

The thing that strikes me about most of these images is that they’re kind of inherently missing some context. They’re not contrasty, you’ve got good tones on the the exposed bits, the flames, crucibles, gold, etc but the backgrounds are all necessarily very dark to black to expose for the radiant subject matter. The result is very isolating.

Maybe that’s what you want, maybe it’s even for the best. But since I assume you’re using a tripod anyway for all these shots I’d like to see what a little bit of HDR does. Try taking some before shots of the setup at various exposures and build up a composite image by blending layers.

Interesting! The idea to take this further is to bring two 500 watt lights in to bring the background detail and light up. We have not been using a tripod as the shutter is so fast it’s irrelevant. I don’t bring the background up digitally as that really brings up the ugly noise. Beyond what can be fixed short of masking and layering. I have to run a very high ISO, as high as 4000 to get that shutter speed that keeps the righ detail and gossamer character of the flames intact.


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