Donald Trump Does It Again: Retweets a Neo-Confederate Named “TheSouthWasRight”

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By now it’s no secret that a large part of Donald Trump’s constituency is made up of neo-Nazis and white supremacists. His rhetoric is often indistinguishable from the xenophobic ranting on racist sites like Stormfront, so of course he attracts these kinds of people.

Trump isn’t even trying to hide this any more; on Twitter, he continues to retweet outright racists, gleefully rubbing it in our faces, knowing it won’t alienate the degraded right wing base that supports him.

Today Trump added to this nasty record of flirting with racists by retweeting a neo-Confederate creep with the username @TheSouthWasRite.

This person’s Twitter timeline is just packed with racist comments about Muslims, blacks and Hispanics, of course, and his profile features a Confederate flag and a call to “re-establish the Confederate States of America.”

The leading GOP candidate for president of the United States is a blatant racist who clearly knows he’s inciting a base of racist supporters, folks. This is where the Republican Party has ended up after years of xenophobic rhetoric and racist dog whistles — with a candidate who openly appeals to the worst people in the country.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:41:06pm

Trump’s surrounding himself with racists and nuts. It’s not a surprise. He’s been doing this all campaign long. And his inner circle of advisers/press flacks are just as bad.

This is his spokeshack from back in 2012:

This is the same nut who wore a necklace of ammo. And who repeatedly posts insanities (and spreads her boss Trump’s insanities).

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:43:45pm

LIVE Stream: Donald Trump Rally in Pella, IA (1-23-16)

It’s live now..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:43:59pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Trump’s surrounding himself with racists and nuts. It’s not a surprise. He’s been doing this all campaign long. And his inner circle of advisers/press flacks are just as bad.

This is his spokeshack from back in 2012:

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This is the same nut who wore a necklace of ammo. And who repeatedly posts insanities (and spreads her boss Trump’s insanities).

Does Katrina know that her boss’s mother was born in Scotland?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:44:22pm

live stream is running through some wonky re-broadcasting scheme.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:45:25pm

Gives a shout out to Pella Windows - home town pop

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:46:24pm

“no teleprompter” gimmick

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:46:36pm

Much more lively crowd than in the morning

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:47:51pm

… playing the victim schtick about media not reporting his crowd size…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:50:24pm

“48%” - but that was Florida, but he doesn’t mention that part.

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unproven innocence  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:50:39pm

re: #8 freetoken

… playing the victim schtick about media not reporting his crowd size…

Is that what they are calling it now? /

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:50:48pm

“We will build the wall”

gets crowd to shout the “Mexico” part.

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:51:34pm

It won’t hurt him no matter how far its broadcast. It’s win-win with the people he’s appealing to.

For people who don’t actually look at the user, it’s a tweet that’s on-message with Trump’s attack versus NRO. It concords with the simple “Me good, you LOSER” schtick that’s working.

For people who do notice the user and don’t care…well, Trump has been tickling white nationalist notions his entire run, so it’s a plus.

People who notice and disapprove…well, the Trump formula is the middle school bullying formula: any note of disapproval or annoyance is a sign of fear and weakness, and thus a further indication of Trump’s strength.

From the lowbrow stuff like Rush to the “intellectual” NRO, this is the mindset they’ve sold, successfully. It’s become thought-stopping mechanism: if what you’re saying is rude or shocking, it must have validity because it isn’t “PC.” As time has passed, that heuristic has become more embedded in the political culture; it’s part and parcel of the larger “we’re anti-intellectual, but also we’re the real smart people who should be deferred to” angry-victimhood thing that drives right wing populism. The joke is that it’s being wielded against the people that cultivated it, by an even savvier demagogue.

Sort of like getting eaten by the shark you genetically engineered to be smarter and meaner.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:51:43pm

great wall of China… “13 thousand” miles claim…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:52:09pm

back on the environmental impact as heel thingy…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:52:25pm

CHINA MASSIVE FORTRESSES!

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:54:03pm

picking on Cruz’s ad about eminent domain… he did this in the morning too…

calls NRO idiots - get’s claps

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Nyet  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:56:03pm

If anybody doubted that Biblical Archaeology Review is a pseudo-scholarly publication…

Simcha Jacobovici (pronounced Yacobovitch) has made some remarkable archaeological discoveries.

For example, the first plague: When pharaoh refused to let the people go, Moses held out his rod, and the waters of Egypt, including the Nile and even the waters in vessels, turned into blood (Exodus 17:14-21). Simcha discovered how it was done: Earthquakes triggered gas leaks that did it; Simcha found a lake that turned reddish brown from such a gas leak.

Before the Israelites left Egypt, they “borrowed” silver and gold from the Egyptians and then took it with them (Exodus 11:2-3; 12:35-36). Simcha has found some of this—in Greece. As Simcha discovered, some of the Israelite slaves did not go to the Promised Land but boarded ships and sailed to Greece. There some of the gold that the Israelites brought with them from Egypt turned up in the tombs of Mycenae.

And this is only the beginning. Simcha’s discoveries relating to Jesus and early Christianity are breathtaking. Let’s begin with the nails that were used in Jesus’ crucifixion; he found them in the lab of an Israeli academic at Tel Aviv University.

Simcha has also discovered the true tomb of Jesus and much of his family.

In another Jerusalem tomb, Simcha found one of the earliest Christian symbols—Jonah emerging from the whale after three days, just like the resurrection of Jesus from the tomb after three days. Elsewhere was an engraving of the earliest Christian symbol—a fish.

Most recently, Simcha has been arguing that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and together they had a son. “The proof of the historical marriage is … overwhelming,” he says.

Let me say it straight out: Simcha is a friend of mine. I like him. He’s very smart. And I admit that I’m not enough of a scholar to refute his claims. But I think it fair to say that the reaction of the academy to Simcha’s claims, by and large, has been a thunderous silence. Simcha is simply not taken seriously. The major academic reaction, where there has been one, is a rolling of the eyes. Harvard’s Lawrence Stager has characterized Simcha’s archaeology as “fantastic archaeology.” And BAR does not publish Simcha’s far-fetched claims. Simcha has his own reaction to the academic response—or non-response—to his claims, this one regarding the fish: It has been “largely ignored because … [it] upsets too many theological apple carts.” As his astounding finds pile up, he admits he is met “only [with] more derision.”

freethoughtblogs.com

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:56:51pm

Now he’s hitting on the keystone pipeline and rightfully points out that eminent domain is used in pipeline cases.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:57:03pm

gets good pop on “Canada”

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 1:57:59pm

ethanol pop

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:00:14pm

long lecture on the importance of eminent domain… surprising but Trump is having to lecture the Cruz-ites on this.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:01:00pm

Hits hard on Bozell…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:01:24pm

Back on Beck and Beck’s tears…

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Snarknado!  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:01:54pm

re: #17 Nyet

Simcha is not taken seriously? I can’t imagine why….

/

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:02:29pm

gives out props to Bob Costa in the audience…

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unproven innocence  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:02:46pm

re: #21 freetoken

long lecture on the importance of eminent domain… surprising but Trump is having to lecture the Cruz-ites on this.

The idea of eminent domain goes back at least to the pilgrims at Plymouth Rock.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:03:48pm

If I have to endure these kinds of speeches for four years, I might kill myself.

//

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:04:43pm

Like this morning, reading from Doug Ibendahl’s piece

twitter.com

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:05:45pm

re: #17 Nyet

Sounds like some of the stuff you see on the History Channel.

Assuming the plagues were real, the gas leak makes as much sense as some of the other theories. And the water being inhospitable would explain the frogs, and killing the frogs would explain the live and then flies. Which would explain livestock dying and people getting sick.

But then there’s little archeological evidence that the exodus happened, that would probably also call into question the plagues

Still I love watching the shows where they try to prove it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:06:24pm
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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:06:48pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Trump’s surrounding himself with racists and nuts. It’s not a surprise. He’s been doing this all campaign long. And his inner circle of advisers/press flacks are just as bad.

This is his spokeshack from back in 2012:

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This is the same nut who wore a necklace of ammo. And who repeatedly posts insanities (and spreads her boss Trump’s insanities).

And who also used to be a Cruz supporter and advisor.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:07:50pm

What is he reading from?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:08:00pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

George Washington was Canadian?

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:08:23pm

re: #26 unproven innocence

Interesting why eminent domain has even come up in this campaign in first place. Trump benefits from it as a developer if a municipality decides that redevelopment furthers economic development (all part of the Kelo calculus).

Cruz thinks that this is a winning attack? Kelo was a poor decision, but the ultimate benefit is corporations that want to squeeze out other businesses under the rubric of economic development. Corporations that can get governments to do their bidding.

And Cruz claims that he’s for businesses? His tax policies favor the big businesses that see the biggest benefits from eminent domain.

There’s no consistency here.

But Cruz or Trump as president would mean a potentially drastic change to the Supreme Court (and lower courts) - and not in a good way.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:08:33pm

re: #21 freetoken

long lecture on the importance of eminent domain… surprising but Trump is having to lecture the Cruz-ites on this.

The wingnut freak out over Kelo is actually fairly legit. The decision basically did away with the public use requirement. It’s a terrible decision and one that likely won’t be overturned for a long time

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:08:56pm

re: #17 Nyet

Reading that, it looks like Harvard is the shop that screwed the pooch. BAR isn’t much in the text.

(BAR is suspect in general, simply because of its origin—a mixture of methodology and magic.)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:09:36pm

re: #24 Snarknado!

Simcha is not taken seriously? I can’t imagine why….

/


“I’m not saying it was Nephalim, but….”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:10:15pm

re: #33 GlutenFreeJesus

George Washington was Canadian?

and Cuban!

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:10:18pm

re: #33 GlutenFreeJesus

George Washington was Canadian?

George Washington was British, until 1776

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:11:19pm

re: #39 KGxvi

George Washington was British, until 1776

And our last GW wannabe was Jefferson Davis.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:11:56pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Cruz was running an ad about Trump taking a little old lady’s house. That is what set Trump off about the topic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:12:23pm
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KingKenrod  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:12:26pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Interesting why eminent domain has even come up in this campaign in first place. Trump benefits from it as a developer if a municipality decides that redevelopment furthers economic development (all part of the Kelo calculus).

Cruz thinks that this is a winning attack? Kelo was a poor decision, but the ultimate benefit is corporations that want to squeeze out other businesses under the rubric of economic development. Corporations that can get governments to do their bidding.

And Cruz claims that he’s for businesses? His tax policies favor the big businesses that see the biggest benefits from eminent domain.

There’s no consistency here.

But Cruz or Trump as president would mean a potentially drastic change to the Supreme Court (and lower courts) - and not in a good way.

Conservatives see it as government bullying. But it seems like a stale issue, would have been better during the Kelo fight.

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:13:27pm
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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:13:33pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

Reading that, it looks like Harvard is the shop that screwed the pooch. BAR isn’t much in the text.

(BAR is suspect in general, simply because of its origin—a mixture of methodology and magic.)

But I enjoy it! It’s a hoot, and they really carried some water in getting the Dead Sea Scrolls publicly released. Don’t mind me, while I snicker over hear in the corner!

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:13:40pm

… now he mentions “Florida”

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:13:45pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:13:49pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #39 KGxvi

And here is another: George Washington was related to the Spencer family.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:14:09pm

attacks Megyn Kelly for her “hatred”, claims she’s biased

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:14:37pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea Toujours

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Casey County, Kentucky…another place where the county clerk refuses to issue marriage licenses to anyone.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:14:44pm

re: #45 retired cynic

But I enjoy it! It’s a hoot, and they really carried some water in getting the Dead Sea Scrolls publicly released. Don’t mind me, while I snicker over hear in the corner!

Used to subscribe when we lived in Israel, but we used it mostly as our weekly travel guide.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:15:03pm
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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:15:18pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

That, too. I can dream about the travel.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:15:19pm

Monday is the Democratic Town Hall on CNN and then the GOP debate is Thursday on Fox.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:16:26pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

5th Ave - where Trump is doing the shooting…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:16:39pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh yes a perfectly clean street to walk and drive on. ///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:19:00pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:19:09pm

Off to seal the garden hoophouse for the night. BBIAB.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:19:34pm

“2nd Amendment under siege…”

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Sic semper evello dildos tyrannis  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:19:48pm

Shorter Glenn Beck:

I repudiate that lamprey Donald Trump.

The hagfish, Ted Cruz, is the next George Washington.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:20:21pm
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:21:35pm

“Let’s talk about Ted…”

Sounds like that should be the title of a novel about family problems.

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KingKenrod  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:21:52pm

Trump finally said something I like. He reminded me Scott Walker won’t be president!

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:21:53pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Must be his car. I just got back from a long walk through the winter wonderland that is downtown Manhattan and one of the joys is seeing the cars covered with snow, and knowing they’ll be that way for at least a few days. (I hate cars!) ;-)

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:22:16pm

I just looked out my window and it is near white out conditions. Blowing and new snowfall. We are going to get a few more inches of snow.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:22:22pm

I need someone to walk my dogs

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:24:51pm

Poor General Petraeus….

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:26:21pm

re: #62 freetoken

“Let’s talk about Ted…”

Sounds like that should be the title of a novel about family problems.

We Need to Talk About Kevin

imdb.com

Kevin’s mother struggles to love her strange child, despite the increasingly vicious things he says and does as he grows up. But Kevin is just getting started, and his final act will be beyond anything anyone imagined.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:26:40pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:27:34pm

im slowly becoming resigned to a trump presidency and trying to figure out what will happen

it’s anybody’s guess if trump can get his agenda through - the wall, massive deportations, high protectionist tarriffs to pressure employers to “bring the jobs home”. but if he does, one thing is clear:

inflation, inflation, inflation : ‘trumpflation’

the rubes have woken up to the fact that the reaganite low tax policies were never meant to benefit them. they’ve revolted and fallen right away for another scam. but the inflation will take effect well in advance of any the predicted new jobs or higher wages will arrive, and soon they will find themselves even more screwed than before

then the national socialism part will really come to the fore…

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:27:39pm

Like a slapstick comedy skit…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:27:46pm

And yes, I know that was last year’s rant

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:27:59pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart

That first tweet was from a previous year?

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:28:27pm

re: #73 retired cynic

Yep, 2015.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:28:49pm

BREAKING — To further prove his point that he could “shoot somebody and not lose voters,” Donald Trump mowed down hundreds of supporters during a rally in Manchester, NH, today with an AK-47, and with a magical flip of his orange bangs they all came back to life and supported him even more.

The lone reporter on the scene who survived the carnage has dubbed what he saw “The White Walkers Effect.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:29:30pm

re: #74 retired cynic

Yep, 2015.

yep, both last year

Today

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:30:11pm

re: #47 ausador

can’t-vote-for-donald-limit

in reality, for his followers it would be when he starts to talk like an intelligent, reasonable person

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:30:22pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

They shut down over that? Pffffff.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:30:38pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

Sorry, I jumped before I saw your explanation!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:30:40pm

OK, no one to the rescue, dogs win, walkies we go

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:31:06pm

re: #65 PhillyPretzel

I just looked out my window and it is near white out conditions. Blowing and new snowfall. We are going to get a few more inches of snow.

Shit. I’ve eaten all my Oreos and ice cream. I think I got some Reese cups in the car across the street. Gonna have to make a run for it.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:31:16pm

did you know our country is “big”?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:32:41pm

now on the loyal supporter bit…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:33:26pm

references being misrepresented by something this morning…

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:33:53pm

re: #71 ausador

Like a slapstick comedy skit…

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Still hilarious!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:34:46pm

re: #84 freetoken

references being misrepresented by something this morning…

probably the shooting somebody on 5th avenue…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:35:29pm

references Zogby poll…. which I posted here last night. Very small sample size.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:35:37pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:36:21pm

“I believe in the racehorse theory…” in referencing intelligence, his and his uncle.

Yup, essentially a racist.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:38:34pm

He doesn’t care if you lost a loved one, go caucus.

Yeesh.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:39:00pm

I can’t stand listening to this fucking asshole any more. It’s honestly beginning to make me feel physically ill that this guy is in the running to be president. What the fuck is going on in this country?

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:39:52pm
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:40:05pm

Now pointing out, as he did this morning, that Iowa Republicans don’t have a good track record in picking candidates.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:40:49pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

I can’t stand listening to this fucking asshole any more. It’s honestly beginning to make me feel physically ill that this guy is in the running to be president. What the fuck is going on in this country?

It helps if you don’t listen to them. I know I should educate myself, but I’m too old to deliberately make myself sick. I can see you folks listening to them and posting here, and that is enough to make me queasy and look for cute kitten photos.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:40:51pm

Waiting in line at a packed Whole Paycheck an hour or so ago, I felt like shouting “It’s a snowfall, people, not a Roland Emmerich movie!”

(My purchases: Two six-packs of Hibernation Ale, brewed in Denver. 8.7% alkyhol by vol. I will survive!)

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:41:00pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

What the fuck is going on in this country?

The celebrity Presidency.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:42:13pm

This is what happens when US national political campaigns turn into a season of The Apprentice.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:44:14pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im slowly becoming resigned to a trump presidency and trying to figure out what will happen

it’s anybody’s guess if trump can get his agenda through - the wall, massive deportations, high protectionist tarriffs to pressure employers to “bring the jobs home”. but if he does, one thing is clear:

inflation, inflation, inflation : ‘trumpflation’

the rubes have woken up to the fact that the reaganite low tax policies were never meant to benefit them. they’ve revolted and fallen right away for another scam. but the inflation will take effect well in advance of any the predicted new jobs or higher wages will arrive, and soon they will find themselves even more screwed than before

then the national socialism part will really come to the fore…

There is not going to be a Trump presidency. The US is not experiencing those conditions, just the Lost-Cause snit of a bunch of dwindling dead-enders. If he gets the TPGOP nomination at all, we will just have to put a bit more into stopping him.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:44:30pm

Fox was quick with this one:

Fox News defends Megyn Kelly after Donald Trump says she shouldn’t be ‘allowed’ to moderate the next debate

Let’s see if they change their tune in the next 24 hours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:44:43pm

re: #94 retired cynic

It helps if you don’t listen to them. I know I should educate myself, but I’m too old to deliberately make myself sick. I can see you folks listening to them and posting here, and that is enough to make me queasy and look for cute kitten photos.

Have a puppy who looks like it agrees with you.

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:44:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:46:47pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

I can’t stand listening to this fucking asshole any more. It’s honestly beginning to make me feel physically ill that this guy is in the running to be president. What the fuck is going on in this country?

Little more than the last tantrum of a bunch of superceded racists. This is not 1920s Weimar.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:46:52pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have a puppy who looks like it agrees with you.

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Cats tweeting photos of cute dogs — it truly is the apocaplyse. apoclyspe, apo… Damn, this beer is good.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:47:21pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

There is not going to be a Trump presidency.

seriously, how can you be so sure?

“governor stevenson, you have the votes of all thinking people”

“but i need a majority!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:47:28pm

re: #96 freetoken

The celebrity Presidency.

Oh? It is much worse than that. A celebrity could just as easily be positive and progressive.

This is an arrogant tycoon that is feeding the worst in people to garner more power at the same time making a mockery of the system and those people.

They very people that support him are the people he has stepped on his whole life to get to be the tycoon…celebrity if you will…and it bothers him not in the least.

I don’t know if you can find a better definition of evil. It has at least been recognized that way throughout history. Most learned people that still care can name some of those evil people. Trump is trying to make that list.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:47:36pm

Eclecticbrotha is the only tweeter I ever asked to follow me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:47:37pm

A baby quoll:

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:47:43pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I wonder what will happen to the Democratic national convention.

I fear it might be like 1968.

What if Sanders wins several contests, yet the DNC maneuvers Sanders out of delegates that ought to be proportional to his actual wins? The Sanders supporters will be rightfully angry.

Not sure the Clinton campaign can find a way to harness the Sanders supporters for their own candidate.

Instead of Trump being too popular, I fear that Hillary will prove too divisive for the Democratic voters. Will the activists bother to go out and do their thing, for her?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:48:34pm

If the election comes down to FL-PA-OH (as expected), then I could see Trump carrying at least two of those.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:49:51pm

me, anytime I hear Trump anymore:

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:49:59pm

re: #104 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

seriously, how can you be so sure?

“governor stevenson, you have the votes of all thinking people”

“but i need a majority!”

More than 51% of Americans aren’t crazy.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:50:34pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

A baby quoll:

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The quoll is a carnivorous marsupial native to mainland Australia, New Guinea, and Tasmania. It is primarily nocturnal and spends most of the day in its den. Of the six species of quoll, four are found in Australia and two in New Guinea

Not everything from Australia is frightening!

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:52:09pm

lololol

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:52:57pm

The four essential B’s: blizzards and Bobby “Blue” Bland

Since I Fell For You

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:53:36pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

I’ve never been fond of possums, but several youngsters have been cleaning up the cat food in the evenings, and they are rather cute, if you don’t look at their teeth.

Put out all the bird feeders, and have been swarmed with juncos, blue jays and cardinals. Had eight male cardinals sitting in the feeders and the small redbud, and it was glorious.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:53:58pm

re: #113 Jenner7

A most excellent dub.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:55:14pm

re: #27 Jenner7

If I have to endure these kinds of speeches for four years, I might kill myself.

//

Not sure why you put sarc tags there, seems like a reasonable thought to me.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:55:33pm

Any asshole with a billion to burn can run for president. For a while.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:55:57pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, anytime I hear Trump anymore:

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Yep…that time when tearing up a roll of paper towel in frustration over Trump no longer works and you just give up.

Gotta watch it though. The Donald™ is counting on it.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:56:37pm

re: #69 FormerDirtDart
Katyusha (full version) AMV - Girls und Panzer OST

Now if they could put blades on the tanks….

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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:56:49pm

Is there some reason that “TheSouthWasRight” omits Oklahoma (“Indian Territory”) from his revived Confederacy?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:57:32pm

re: #120 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Now if they could put blades on the tanks….

I think that’s what he meant by “masturbating to anime”.

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:58:28pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

Oh? It is much worse than that. A celebrity could just as easily be positive and progressive.

This is an arrogant tycoon that is feeding the worst in people to garner more power at the same time making a mockery of the system and those people.

They very people that support him are the people he has stepped on his whole life to get to be the tycoon…celebrity if you will…and it bothers him not in the least.

I don’t know if you can find a better definition of evil. It has at least been recognized that way throughout history. Most learned people that still care can name some of those evil people. Trump is trying to make that list.

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. Sure, I got ‘em like this… You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

Lonesome Rhodes

(TCM should show that movie on a loop from now till November.)

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 2:59:33pm

re: #123 BeachDem

Lonesome Rhodes

(TCM should show that movie on a loop from now till November.)

Yes, they should. A few might eventually catch on.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:00:14pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Not everything from Australia is frightening!

Now. Let’s see when it grows up. They apparently can be very large…over three foot long or more counting the long tail. Pretty good set of teeth and they are carnivorous.

Sadly, they like to eat frogs, lizards and birds. Nature.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:00:30pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Any asshole with a billion to burn can run for president. For a while.

Speaking of assholes running for president, Mike Bloomberg is threatening to run for Prez, or as we NYers might call it, running for a fourth term.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:01:28pm

re: #126 De Kolta Chair

Speaking of assholes running for president, Mike Bloomberg is threatening to run for Prez, or as we NYers might call it, running for a fourth term.

I’m scared. He could carry Gramercy Park.

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majii  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:01:43pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea Toujours

Stop tempting me with the pic of that pie! It’s too cruel. I’m diabetic and seeing it makes me want it. My A1C is 5.9, and I wanna keep it that way!!!

But, now, if there’s a sugar-free recipe, I’ll take it. LOL.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:01:44pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

Now. Let’s see when it grows up. They apparently can be very large…over three foot long or more counting the long tail. Pretty good set of teeth and they are carnivorous.

Sadly, they like to eat frogs, lizards and birds. Nature.

OK, everything’s frightening when you’re a lizard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:02:00pm

re: #123 BeachDem

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. Sure, I got ‘em like this… You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

Lonesome Rhodes

(TCM should show that movie on a loop from now till November.)

Bolded part sounds like Trump’s beef tacos….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:02:59pm

re: #126 De Kolta Chair

Speaking of assholes running for president, Mike Bloomberg is threatening to run for Prez, or as we NYers might call it, running for a fourth term.

Bloomberg wants to run third party.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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b_sharp  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:05:46pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Trump’s surrounding himself with racists and nuts. It’s not a surprise. He’s been doing this all campaign long. And his inner circle of advisers/press flacks are just as bad.

This is his spokeshack from back in 2012:

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This is the same nut who wore a necklace of ammo. And who repeatedly posts insanities (and spreads her boss Trump’s insanities).

I’m getting old.

I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what a spoke shack was.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:06:38pm

re: #132 b_sharp

I’m getting old.

I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what a spoke shack was.

That’s where I keep my spokes.

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majii  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:07:43pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

I read the other day that although Trump is rising in the GOP/TP nomination for president, those who will vote in the general election don’t like him. If he wins the GOP/TP nomination, he’ll have his work cut out for him in trying to convince most voters to cast their lot in with his. Also, I’ve noticed the past few election cycles that many on the right can convince themselves of anything. I’ve been hearing a lot them lately claim that Trump will be the next president, and iirc, and I do, it’s the same thing they said about Romney, and he’s out in CA, enjoying his new house with the car elevator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:08:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:08:11pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

That’s where I keep my spokes.

Do they have a 5 o’clock shadow? I can knap you a spokeshave.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:09:54pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:11:44pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bloomberg wants to run third party.
hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

If anyone else said they were for gun control and rooted for the Red Sox, I’d definitely consider supporting them; heavy-duty emphasis on “anyone else.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:12:06pm
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unproven innocence  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:13:59pm

re: #123 BeachDem

Those morons out there? Shucks, I could take chicken fertilizer and sell it to them as caviar. I could make them eat dog food and think it was steak. Sure, I got ‘em like this… You know what the public’s like? A cage of Guinea Pigs. Good Night you stupid idiots. Good Night, you miserable slobs. They’re a lot of trained seals. I toss them a dead fish and they’ll flap their flippers.

Lonesome Rhodes

(TCM should show that movie on a loop from now till November.)

A Face in the Crowd (full movie [edit] This one is not free)

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:14:42pm

re: #1 lawhawk

She doesn’t look like much of a “pure breed” herself. She looks mixed with Black to my eyes. ***shrugs***

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

She doesn’t look like much of a “pure breed” herself. She looks mixed with Black to my eyes. ***shrugs***

Just her soul shining through.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:16:02pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Just her soul shining through.

You’re looking at the polished brass shells around her neck.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:17:11pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

That she’s even committing something like that to Twitter shows just how deranged she truly is. There’s no such thing - and it should raise every kind of racialist/racist red flag you can think of.

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Shimshon  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:17:48pm

What will happen to all his angry and heavily armed supporters once he loses? Are they going to go Timmothy McVeigh on liberals, minorities, and the government?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:18:20pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

me, anytime I hear Trump anymore:

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You just wait until he becomes President, you Communist Hippie!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:18:25pm
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:19:01pm

The paper Trump loves to hate:

Des Moines Register Endorses Rubio and Clinton in Iowa Caucuses

Probably more important to Clinton.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:19:03pm

re: #143 freetoken

You’re looking at the polished brass shells around her neck.

Not even original. The NYT fashion supplement carried the Angela Davis/Huey Newton-inspired ammo look in the late 60s.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:19:53pm

re: #145 Shimshon

What will happen to all his angry and heavily armed supporters once he loses? Are they going to go Timmothy McVeigh on liberals, minorities, and the government?

Once or twice.

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DobermanBoston  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:21:31pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

ONE OF THE FOUNDERS!!!!!

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:24:02pm

re: #128 majii

Stop tempting me with the pic of that pie! It’s too cruel. I’m diabetic and seeing it makes me want it. My A1C is 5.9, and I wanna keep it that way!!!

But, now, if there’s a sugar-free recipe, I’ll take it. LOL.

Naw. Nope. No sugar free. Coconut milk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:26:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:26:39pm
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:26:47pm

The GOP insanity is reaching a fever pitch, when a candidate saying that they’re not going to go on a shooting spree is a positive step (and yeah, there are GOPers who think shooting liberals is a good thing - and they’re being courted by Cruz, Rubio, and Trump too).

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A Cranky One  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:29:48pm

re: #20 freetoken

ethanol pop

Rum and coke?

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:29:51pm

Well, looks like we got a bit less snow than was expected, probably a bit more than 6 inches. Nashville (about 45 miles south of me) got a bit more than they were expecting. Apparently the storm sort of took a little drift so we didn’t get as much as planned.

Main roads are all good now, talked to a friend of mine who’s local PD. Said he was out on the interstate all night, it was a disaster out there.

I’ll take this for our winter storm this year… hit on Friday, and everything can be back to normal by the end of the weekend.

RBS

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:32:01pm

re: #155 lawhawk

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:32:34pm

re: #155 lawhawk

The GOP insanity is reaching a fever pitch, when a candidate saying that they’re not going to go on a shooting spree is a positive step (and yeah, there are GOPers who think shooting liberals is a good thing - and they’re being courted by Cruz, Rubio, and Trump too).

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“Trump wants to shoot you. The rest of us? We just kill you slower.”

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:33:15pm
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Billy Batts  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:33:51pm

Ah, yes. The fake tweet excuse.

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b.d.  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:35:33pm
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b.d.  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:36:57pm

I see that New York values have come back into play

//

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:39:08pm

Update from Jersey Shore

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:39:16pm

Angela Davis in Wadsworth Jarrell’s Revolutionary Dress

anothermag.com

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:39:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:40:39pm

Here’s the video of Trump telling his supporters they’re complete idiots and won’t even abandon him if he commits murder in public on 5th Avenue.

Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:40:48pm

re: #166 ausador

did you take snapshots of them ?

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:42:19pm
Happy 108th birthday to the late character actor Dan Duryea.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:42:28pm

re: #161 Billy Batts

Ah, yes. The fake tweet excuse.

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b_sharp  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:42:51pm

Well, I went grocery shopping and only stuffed two annoying people into the Costco freezers. I survived.

Not as world shaking as Trump’s antics, but important in my little corner of the world.

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b.d.  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:43:23pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Here’s the video of Trump telling his supporters they’re complete idiots and won’t even abandon him if he commits murder in public on 5th Avenue.

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Video

FAKE VIDEO! I CAN TELL BY THE PIXELS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:44:46pm

re: #171 b_sharp

Well, I went grocery shopping and only stuffed two annoying people into the Costco freezers. I survived.

Not as world shaking as Trump’s antics, but important in my little corner of the world.

They probably appreciated being stuffed in the freezers.
Probably warmer there.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:45:19pm

re: #115 retired cynic

I’ve never been fond of possums, but several youngsters have been cleaning up the cat food in the evenings, and they are rather cute, if you don’t look at their teeth.

Put out all the bird feeders, and have been swarmed with juncos, blue jays and cardinals. Had eight male cardinals sitting in the feeders and the small redbud, and it was glorious.

I was always careful to make sure my bird feeders were full, plus putting out extra handfuls of sunflower seeds when I knew a snowstorm was coming in.

Once looked out and counted fifteen cardinals in the backyard. Two in the feeder and the rest sitting in the butternut tree waiting their turn. Since it was a low-wind snowfall the trees were holding snow and it looked sort of Christmas-tree like with a white tree filled with blobs of red.

Another time I saw a crow sweeping snow away from a spot where I’d dumped a handful of sunflower seeds. They were not part of the normal array of visitors.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:47:26pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

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Definitely a drama llama.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:49:43pm

The reason people cheer Trump when he says stupid things, and this goes for any of the candidates, is the same reason people pour good money after bad, when they have “sunk costs”.

It’s why a person tries to paint their not-so-good spouse in a better light - because they’ve already bought the farm.

It’s the “my team” mentality.

That’s why it is so important to fight against destructive stupidity when it first surfaces, because it can take a very long time and excruciatingly high losses to finally let go.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:50:12pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Here’s the video of Trump telling his supporters they’re complete idiots and won’t even abandon him if he commits murder in public on 5th Avenue.

But what if he schlonged a dead girl/live boy?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:50:27pm

re: #160 De Kolta Chair

Trump says “I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot people and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

aren’t there laws against inciting violence in this country??

what if malcolm x had said this?

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:50:58pm

re: #166 ausador

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:51:13pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

I’m scared. He could carry Gramercy Park.

We are so, so doomed.

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Billy Batts  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:51:26pm

re: #178 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

aren’t there laws against inciting violence in this country??

what if malcolm x had said this?

Trump is a rich white guy so it doesn’t count.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:51:31pm

re: #176 freetoken

Those folks have invested in the person and mythos of Trump. They’re not about to dump him over some things he says.

Except that everything he says is moving further and further into batcrap insanity.

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:51:47pm

re: #168 freetoken

did you take snapshots of them ?

Others have already, limited space here, on phone only until new motherboard for desktop gets here. :(

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:52:09pm

re: #178 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

aren’t there laws against inciting violence in this country??

what if malcolm x had said this?

He was black. Big difference, plus Trump supporters “know” the color of the people he’d be shooting.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:52:10pm

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:53:50pm

re: #180 De Kolta Chair

We are so, so doomed.

We’ll all get the key!

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:53:57pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:54:41pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

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Are we using Guthrie’s grave for power generation yet?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:54:49pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

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??? Which side of the fence are they on?

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:55:35pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

I saw a piece on that earlier. Doesn’t matter, said what his fanbois wanted to hear. Truth has no role in the GOP Narrative, but then again, we know that.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:56:17pm

re: #190 Reality Based Steve

I saw a piece on that earlier. Doesn’t matter, said what his fanbois wanted to hear. Truth has no role in the GOP Narrative, but then again, we know that.

The Truthy shall let you Freep.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:56:18pm

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

Are we using Guthrie’s grave for power generation yet?

re: #189 Decatur Deb

??? Which side of the fence are they on?

‘This land is your land’ is the first line. Maybe they skipped that, like they skip the Paiutes.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:56:36pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied

dog bites man

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:56:56pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Well, of course he did.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:57:04pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:57:05pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

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b_sharp  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:57:55pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

They probably appreciated being stuffed in the freezers.
Probably warmer there.

Not cold up here. It was above 0C this morning.

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Billy Batts  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:58:07pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

And Michael told Kay that the Corleone family would be completely legitimate in five years.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:58:40pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ah! Now I remember them, the wandering threeper minstrels that were stranded in a parking lot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 3:59:30pm
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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:00:10pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Ah! Now I remember them, the wandering threeper minstrels that were stranded in a parking lot.

So the original grifters now get to support a rather large family that lacks resources…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:00:55pm

re: #201 calochortus

So the original grifters now get to support a rather large family that lacks resources…

But they’ll be well-entertained.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:01:25pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A conservative liar?? Well I never!

/

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:03:29pm

Time for the great BLM contract shredding ceremony at the refuge isn’t it? Time to go see who is tweeting…

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:04:28pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

By the way, Ted Cruz lied about not having health insurance.

talkingpointsmemo.com

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Heh)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:05:12pm
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WCBadger  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:05:20pm

Well, he knows how to pander to the mongrels. I’d like to think he’s collaborating with the Democrats to either destroy the republican party or set it up for defeat. Still, that doesn’t justify rhetoric that could incite people to act out violently, IMO.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:05:26pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

But they’ll be well-entertained.

Maybe. I listened to a bit of the youtube video and while they’re better than I would be, they’re really not all that great. At least one of the kids was flat a couple times. They don’t enunciate well either.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:06:20pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

shame on bill de blasio for banning people from walking the streets of manhattan right when trump was getting ready to shoot some

NYC has always been ambivalent about streetwalking.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:09:35pm

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:10:57pm

re: #207 WCBadger

Well, he knows how to pander to the mongrels.

They’re not “mongrels”, they’re just people.

Trump follows the tried and true formulae:

1) hometown pop (Pella);
2) hometown team pop (Pella Windows);
3) identify the “enemy” (in this case the media);
4) reinforce that his enemy is his crowd’s enemy;
4b) by having them boo their enemy, the physical act itself reinforces the feeling;
5) throw a handful of accusations at your competitor;
5b) whichever one(s) seem to excite your audience, repeat them;
6) assure your audience that they are the good guys - the hometown team pop again;
7) declare the hometown the winner.

Any act can follow this formula anywhere and have some measure of success.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:14:33pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

Oh yeah—Sovereign pure.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:14:46pm

OT, reposted from downstairs - our front yard.

Hi, Winter.
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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:17:06pm

re: #213 makeitstop

I live in a nondescript area of the upper Midwest and I think you folks have surpassed our season total in a single system.

That doesn’t happen so often. ALSO PLZ SHARE MY XC SKIS ARE IN SAD IN THE GARAGE

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:17:08pm

Mongrels was, I hope just a bad choice of words.

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:18:03pm

re: #213 makeitstop

OT, reposted from downstairs - our front yard.

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Beautiful. Really.

Now, photos of your pets, all warm & cozy.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:19:29pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

FEW PEOPLE WILL READ AND BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THIS TREATISE AND UNDERSTAND IT’S IMPLICATIONS, BUT HOPEFULLY, SOME WILL.

Count me among the multitude that doesn’t finish reading, and certainly can’t follow that rambling pile of I’m not sure what.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:20:51pm

re: #217 calochortus

All I can say is that there are a whole lot more totally insane people out there then I ever imagined.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:03pm

MrBWS is 30 minutes away from home (they were released from storm work in NC this morning).
YAY!

Of course, our road hasn’t been plowed so he’ll have a white-knuckle drive those last four miles…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:04pm

re: #213 makeitstop

OT, reposted from downstairs - our front yard.

[Embedded content]

It will be like most guests and you’ll want it to go home after 2-3 days or so.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:19pm

re: #214 Testy Toad T

I live in a nondescript area of the upper Midwest and I think you folks have surpassed our season total in a single system.

That doesn’t happen so often. ALSO PLZ SHARE MY XC SKIS ARE IN SAD IN THE GARAGE

My wife said that this morning - that we got Winter this weekend, delivered all at once.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:25pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Casey County, Kentucky…another place where the county clerk refuses to issue marriage licenses to anyone.

I wonder if that’s changed now that the Gov says the clerk’s name doesn’t have to be on the marriage license.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:33pm

re: #216 Stanley Sea Toujours

Beautiful. Really.

Now, photos of your pets, all warm & cozy.

Don’t forget about husbands….

RBS

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worldknot  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:36pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:21:50pm

Staying off the roads is the best way to get the streets cleaned up as fast as possible. An ambulance carrying your grandma can’t get through the street where you had to abandon your car on the way to get a 6 pack or whatever.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:22:16pm

My block a few hours ago:

Eat your heart out, Alfred Stieglitz!

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:22:42pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

Oh, yeah, Judge Anna. Stonekettle is unbelievably hysterical about her. She’s from up his way.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:23:17pm

re: #227 retired cynic

Oh, yeah, Judge Anna. Stonekettle is unbelievably hysterical about her. She’s from up his way.

A relative of Sarah’s, probably.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:24:00pm

re: #224 worldknot

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I will have to think about whether or not to try for a wintry Philadelphia photography run tomorrow morning.

Got some the last big storm, but there should be some good drift action from this one. Rocky up to his waist in a drift would be interesting, but I doubt it will happen.

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retired cynic  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:24:05pm

re: #228 Skip Intro

She makes Sarah sound sane. Yes, really!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:24:06pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

im slowly becoming resigned to a trump presidency and trying to figure out what will happen

it’s anybody’s guess if trump can get his agenda through - the wall, massive deportations, high protectionist tarriffs to pressure employers to “bring the jobs home”. but if he does, one thing is clear:

inflation, inflation, inflation : ‘trumpflation’

the rubes have woken up to the fact that the reaganite low tax policies were never meant to benefit them. they’ve revolted and fallen right away for another scam. but the inflation will take effect well in advance of any the predicted new jobs or higher wages will arrive, and soon they will find themselves even more screwed than before

then the national socialism part will really come to the fore…

Trump won’t be President. He is the least liked candidate in the race when you poll the general electorate.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:25:18pm

re: #227 retired cynic

Classic conspiracy theorist. It would make for an interesting piece of fiction. Yes, I know Anna, the Bundys and many other believe this nonsense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:25:39pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:28:42pm

re: #108 freetoken

I wonder what will happen to the Democratic national convention.

I fear it might be like 1968.

What if Sanders wins several contests, yet the DNC maneuvers Sanders out of delegates that ought to be proportional to his actual wins? The Sanders supporters will be rightfully angry.

Not sure the Clinton campaign can find a way to harness the Sanders supporters for their own candidate.

Instead of Trump being too popular, I fear that Hillary will prove too divisive for the Democratic voters. Will the activists bother to go out and do their thing, for her?

Eh, I heard the same thing about PUMAS in 2008.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:29:30pm

Sharp family. And these dipshits put their kids in a potential free-fire zone.

svetlanabah.photoshelter.com

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:30:31pm

re: #234 Big Beautiful Door

Eh, I heard the same thing about PUMAS in 2008.

Speaking broadly, I think the potential voters who are too butthurt about their blessed unicorn not being anointed Saviour of the Nation are probably the ones you shouldn’t count on, like, actually showing up to the polls in the first place.

Facebook activism, you do not scare me.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:31:11pm

re: #231 Big Beautiful Door

Trump won’t be President. He is the least liked candidate in the race when you poll the general electorate.

It’s difficult to find enough recent national polls which have n head-to-head comparisons for all the possible combinations for me to come to any feeling about this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:31:12pm
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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:31:28pm
Collegeville Pa 1-23-2016

So. Looks like 8 inches to me.

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:31:44pm

re: #234 Big Beautiful Door

Eh, I heard the same thing about PUMAS in 2008.

Yep

Not surprisingly, this has caused an epidemic of hand-wringing among political experts, who worry that this state of affairs is dangerously similar to 1968, when a furious battle within the Democratic Party over two popular candidates, Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey, spilled from the Democratic National Convention onto the streets of Chicago.

usnews.com

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:32:01pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mmmmm, giant icing bear claw…
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:32:56pm

asshat traveled all the way from New Mexico to Oregon to be a drama llama:

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:33:21pm

re: #240 BeachDem

Not going to be 1968 for one reason—we remember 1968.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:33:56pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Excellent.”
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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:34:20pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

asshat traveled all the way from New Mexico to Oregon to be a drama llama:

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They got one? How exciting for them. Anyone else?

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:34:28pm

The idea of handwringing about the Democratic convention turning into a shitshow when there’s THAT ——> over there is just flabbergasting to me.

In ‘04, Dean was in a stronger position than Sanders has ever been, with supporters at least as passionate, and Kerry was more boring than Clinton will be after she’s been desiccating in a coffin for thirty years, and golly gee, people generally showed up and voted.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:35:01pm

re: #245 calochortus

They got one? How exciting for them. Anyone else?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:36:12pm

re: #246 Testy Toad T

And GWB won in 2004.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:36:39pm

re: #240 BeachDem

Yep

Not surprisingly, this has caused an epidemic of hand-wringing among political experts, who worry that this state of affairs is dangerously similar to 1968, when a furious battle within the Democratic Party over two popular candidates, Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey, spilled from the Democratic National Convention onto the streets of Chicago.

usnews.com

If anything nuts is going to happen at a 2016 political convention it will be in Cleveland and will involve right wing nutters, Tea Party members and the far right fringes like those at Bundy Oregon. And Reince Priebus will cower helplessly and call on John Kasich to send in the Ohio National Guard.

(Slightly kidding…just can’t determine how slight…ask in June)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:36:52pm

re: #245 calochortus

They got one? How exciting for them. Anyone else?

only one I’ve seen tweeted about so far.

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:37:07pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

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Who’s the lost black guy?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:37:13pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

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Dipshits are edging up against insurrection, and they’re doing it with undisciplined yahoos they can’t control.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:38:16pm

re: #251 nines09

Who’s the lost black guy?

FedEx driver with another barrel of lube.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:38:29pm

re: #248 freetoken

And GWB won in 2004.

Because Kerry was a shitty unlikeable undifferentiated candidate without the balls to stand for or against anything in particular, not because supporters of any other Democratic candidate staged some kind of mass revolt.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:39:32pm

re: #254 Testy Toad T

Whether it is a mass revolt, or if it is just apathy (I suspect the latter), Democrats lose if they can’t get a large turnout.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:39:42pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

“Eccellente.”
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:40:06pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:41:06pm

re: #182 lawhawk

Those folks have invested in the person and mythos of Trump. They’re not about to dump him over some things he says.

Except that everything he says is moving further and further into batcrap insanity.

Its amazing how eerily accurate Idiocracy is proving to be.

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:41:16pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

FedEx driver with another barrel of lube.

“Can someone sign this and give me a hand?”

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh shit. They knocked him down….

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:42:59pm

re: #251 nines09

Who’s the lost black guy?

There is (or was) one black militant there, the Oregonian ran his picture about a week ago. This doesn’t look like same guy, not sure though, could just be the jacket instead of “rancher clothes” throwing me off.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:44:23pm

Only a few hours ago, I was thinking the exact same thing…

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:44:33pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Dipshits are edging up against insurrection, and they’re doing it with undisciplined yahoos they can’t control.

I sometimes think the Feds know there’s a bunch of unstable hot heads in the refuge totally capable of losing it and going off on each other over something petty…like who the judge and jury is that day or who ate too many Doritos out of the stock room. Best to stand back and watch the fireworks until you either need to put a real end to it or going in and cleaning up after they turn on each other.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:45:27pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

It really is time for the Feds to get off of their asses and do something about this. By spring these thieving assholes will be spread across the west like locusts.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:45:40pm

re: #261 De Kolta Chair

My rye bread always goes in the freezer. It stays fresher longer.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:46:00pm
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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:46:06pm

re: #260 ausador

There is (or was) one black militant there, the Oregonian ran his picture about a week ago. This doesn’t look like same guy, not sure though, could just be the jacket instead of “rancher clothes” throwing me off.

If he’s there, he ‘s no “black militant”. Confused, I’m sure. Guess he doesn’t want to see the end of the movie he’s in if they got their way.

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:46:09pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m so bummed. Did not see the tweet & now the account is closed. What was it?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:46:27pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

I’ve been reading this insanity from freemen types for twenty years.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:47:30pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

re: #263 Skip Intro

Kids. The LE types won’t do anything until the general public is screaming for it. They remember Waco, too.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:47:39pm

re: #264 PhillyPretzel

My rye bread always goes in the freezer. It stays fresher longer.

I don’t mind if it gets just a touch of mold on it. Gives it a nice ‘tangy’ taste and I love the colors.

RBS

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:47:51pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

And Ruby Ridge.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:49:17pm

re: #265 Amory Blaine

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To paraphrase Elvis Costello and Fly Guy, the angels wanna wear my goldfish pimp shoes…

I’m Gonna Git You Sucka (1988) - Fly Guy !!

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:50:05pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

Kids. The LE types won’t do anything until the general public is screaming for it. They remember Waco, too.

They keep waiting and this is going to spread across the country. Doing nothing about a cancer is never a good idea.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:50:31pm

Two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl..

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:50:52pm

re: #197 b_sharp

Not cold up here. It was above 0C this morning.

We weren’t quite there but got up to 21F. Low wind so not bad at all. Everything went south of us. Farthest north it got was Butler PA. The sun was even out off and on today.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:51:21pm

Another factor may be the unidentified thugs roaming the town, eyeballing people. One of the journalist tweets yesterday mentioned that there was a problem at the last standoff with guys who were there to start a war.

The Feds might be reluctant to move if they expect a running gun battle not just at the refuge, but all through town, as well.

Why they don’t close the #%$%^$# road though, is beyond me… How the hell are these jerks getting kids in there?

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:51:48pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea Toujours

I’m so bummed. Did not see the tweet & now the account is closed. What was it?

qMwc570P0krAiRCsmzQ4cUPrLZs9vmeYJgGmZ0rSJu2wYYaPQ7TFOZv9/EG11I71b48XAlP+hC2OQI70QC8Dy/sLNS/czlVcLuhvOvCxYTjqihHBEKfTcR9iWOV0lzL4SEBMHzaCV61rafQtHNTxaMQxxKPCEMbawXtTvqUrKT7Sd9DCm2GUouxkFB0rT1n+bh1o7godVFVR8HSOXG9Z6ifPv9HLfR+OynWFfwmzBl8+EQbLjUy3P3MigCHMbUk5

Since the account was taken down, I’ll make it private.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:52:00pm

re: #273 Skip Intro

They keep waiting and this is going to spread across the country. Doing nothing about a cancer is never a good idea.

They’re losing the press/Internet and internal ‘patriot’ opinion wars—the ones that count.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:52:32pm

The longer this Oregon situation goes on, the crazier these sovereign citizen weirdos are going to get. I understand the feds don’t want to risk a violent outcome, but it’s getting more and more likely. And the longer they wait, the more of these heavily armed nut cases are going to be there.

I’ve got a bad feeling about how this is going to end.

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BeachDem  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Not going to be 1968 for one reason—we remember 1968.

In 2008, there was that YUUGE “Recreate ‘68” group that was going to rain hell down on Denver at the Dem Convention (I think they were going to cause trouble at the GOP fest as well.)

This is a hilarious article about their big event.

Recreate ‘68: This is Your Mother’s Protest Organization

vqronline.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:53:13pm

deleted because someone got to it before me.

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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:55:22pm

re: #277 calochortus

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Since the account was taken down, I’ll make it private.

TY.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:56:01pm
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SS. Trump = that splat on your window  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:56:37pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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why she so paranoid? & TY

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:57:48pm

re: #273 Skip Intro

They keep waiting and this is going to spread across the country. Doing nothing about a cancer is never a good idea.

Your argument seems to me to hinge on the idea that these yahoos are persuading any neutrals that their cause is right and just and worthy.

I’d say the jury is out on that, to say the very least.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:58:14pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

I fear enough crazies will show up who so desire to be martyrs that the cool-hand approach of the feds won’t work no matter how cool-handed the feds intend to be.

So the nuts will have their sovereign citizen trials, find this or that gov’t official guilty of this or that. Then what? Will they try to actually enforce their own governmental decrees?

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:58:50pm

With a couple hours to go before this storm wraps up, and it looks like Central Park will set an all time record later this evening. Those records date back to 1860s. So yeah, this is a pretty historic storm.

But lest we forget, this storm is affecting nearly 1/3 of the nation from TN/KY up to Boston Massachusetts.

And when you talk about storms like this, the NESIS comes to mind - the northeast storm intensity scale. It measures the kind of impact a storm has - combining population affected with how much snow drops plus geographic data.

This storm is a whopper on that scale IMO.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 4:59:17pm
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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:00:32pm

re: #288 Kragar

Because Michigan needs more lawsuits or something? WTF?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:01:05pm

re: #280 BeachDem

In 2008, there was that YUUGE “Recreate ‘68” group that was going to rain hell down on Denver at the Dem Convention (I think they were going to cause trouble at the GOP fest as well.)

This is a hilarious article about their big event.

Recreate ‘68: This is Your Mother’s Protest Organization

vqronline.org

“I love the smell of tear gas in the morning. It’s the smell of….nostalgia.”

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:01:40pm

re: #289 calochortus

Because Michigan needs more lawsuits or something? WTF?

That was my first thought. One more save a buck routine?

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:02:33pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

Exactly right. The Feds did nothing about Bundy and now we’ve got the Bundy disease spreading. The longer they wait, the worse the outcome is going to be.

Wait until the election is nearer to act and the crazies will end up controlling the entire government.

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Testy Toad T  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:03:18pm

Little too much omg doom and gloom craziness. I’ll catch you fine folks later.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:03:48pm

What’s with all the bottles, can’t they just rent some water tankers and deliver it that way? It’s got to be 100x cheaper.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:04:23pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

The longer this Oregon situation goes on, the crazier these sovereign citizen weirdos are going to get. I understand the feds don’t want to risk a violent outcome, but it’s getting more and more likely. And the longer they wait, the more of these heavily armed nut cases are going to be there.

I’ve got a bad feeling about how this is going to end.

Considering the current political climate, how well the feds have done on similar situations in the past, the fact there is an election and anything seen as botched by a Democrat president will be used, etc., etc., etc., what would you have them do at this time?

I think Deb was right when he said when there is a huge cry by a majority of this country they will get heavy until then it is unclear what the average citizen even thinks about what is going on in Oregon.

Sure, we here at LGF concern ourselves with this, but among the people I know they see this as a bunch of wackos acting out and not really harming anyone and anything so no need to blow them up like Waco. When those same people are outraged by something the sovereigns do strong action will happen. Until then anything else will be seen as an overreaction.

And I’m not trying to excuse it. I’d love to see some tough action too. I’d love to see some of these cowboys get their butts kicked. I also hope that we get a Democrat president in next year. Yes, I do think this has the potential to mess with it all if not handled correctly.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:04:40pm

re: #293 Testy Toad T

Little too much omg doom and gloom craziness. I’ll catch you fine folks later.

Is it too much to worry that a whole lot of people will wind up dead?

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:05:25pm

While I would be satisfied with them all being rounded up and thrown in prison to rot for the next 50 years, if they really would prefer death, my objections would not be overly strenuous.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:05:46pm

re: #293 Testy Toad T

Little too much omg doom and gloom craziness. I’ll catch you fine folks later.

I’m with ya at the moment. I’m going to make a tuna sandwich and walk up the road for a drink or two. See what people in meat world are bitching about. If too much bitching, I’ll play the jukebox.

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No Country For Old Haters  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:06:50pm

re: #297 Kragar

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While I would be satisfied with them all being rounded up and thrown in prison to rot for the next 50 years, if they really would prefer death, my objections would not be overly strenuous.

They really belong in mental institutions rather than prison, and I would object to killing them, because they’re obviously not competent to make decisions as they live in a fantasy world.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:07:24pm

re: #296 freetoken

Is it too much to worry that a whole lot of people will wind up dead?

The sooner the law goes in, the greater is the chance of that. A lot of smart people get paid to sort this out. Many of them are on the scene. If they screw it up, then we can bitch.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:07:28pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

At this point, the nutters in Oregon have pretty much made clear that they’re not going to go away quietly on their own. And now they’re planning on exporting the crazy to another state. It needs to stop. Now.

I don’t want violence or a bloody resolution to this situation. I really don’t. But, being completely honest, I’d rather have 30 dead militants than 30 more insurrections. I don’t want violence but I want to live in a lawless guntopia even less.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:08:01pm

“Ladies and gentlemen, I truly believe the battle is for your mind…But the war…is for your soul…”

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Bubblehead II  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:08:37pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

The longer this Oregon situation goes on, the crazier these sovereign citizen weirdos are going to get. I understand the feds don’t want to risk a violent outcome, but it’s getting more and more likely. And the longer they wait, the more of these heavily armed nut cases are going to be there.

I’ve got a bad feeling about how this is going to end.

If the Fed doesn’t do something soon the State and quite possibly the locals are going to say enough is enough and make a move against these clowns. If that happens, all bets are off.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:08:54pm

re: #297 Kragar

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While I would be satisfied with them all being rounded up and thrown in prison to rot for the next 50 years, if they really would prefer death, my objections would not be overly strenuous.

Except that now these he-men are hiding behind children brought in to be human shields.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:10:22pm

At Ruby Ridge, 3 people wound up dead.

At Waco, 76 people died.

No, it’s not too much to worry about possible carnage from nutcases that roam the hinterlands of this country.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:11:16pm

Right wing humor. Tim must be a hit at parties.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:11:37pm

re: #303 Bubblehead II

If the Fed doesn’t do something soon the State and quite possibly the locals are going to say enough is enough and make a move against these clowns. If that happens, all bets are off.

The governor, through her state Adjutant General, commands the Oregon National Guard. If the locals need help, she’s it. If the Feds think they should hold off on shooting up their own property, that’s their call.

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mmmirele  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:12:12pm

re: #210 Skip Intro

Here’s your weekend dose of crazy. You won’t be disappointed.

Open Letter to Sheriff Ward of Harney County Oregon and to All County Sheriffs

OMG. It’s Anna Von Strudel de la PopTart, as we refer to her over at thefogbow.com. It’s almost as if the Malheur standoff is acting as a honeypot, luring all the sovereign citizen nutbars out of the woodwork.

I asked John Sepulvado (Oregon Public Broadcasting) on the Twitter if Bruce Doucette, the “common law judge” was still at Malheur. He said not. He also said he had heard secondhand that Doucette had left because he disagreed with the Bundys about Mormon aspects of the common law. Or something. Basically a religious disagreement.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:12:43pm

re: #301 Whack-A-Mole

At this point, the nutters in Oregon have pretty much made clear that they’re not going to go away quietly on their own. And now they’re planning on exporting the crazy to another state. It needs to stop. Now.

I don’t want violence or a bloody resolution to this situation. I really don’t. But, being completely honest, I’d rather have 30 dead militants than 30 more insurrections. I don’t want violence but I want to live in a lawless guntopia even less.

Are you also willing to accept 11 feds dead and FOX, CNN, and others turning this into heavy-handed, jack-booted federal power grab against ordinary Americans?

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:12:58pm

The water taps are being turned off at the Genesee County Jail

The water taps are being turned off - once again - at the Genesee County Jail.

County Sheriff Robert Pickell says inmates and staff are back to drinking bottled water as of Friday afternoon.

The jail began using bottles after a water emergency was declared in the city last year.

But, in October, after tests by the DEQ and an independent agency showed only trace amounts of lead, the faucets were turned back on.

The sheriff says safety concerns prompted today’s switch back to bottles.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:13:11pm

re: #304 calochortus

Except that now these he-men are hiding behind children brought in to be human shields.

Cut off their food, water, and power. Isolate them completely, keep the press out, arrest anyone trying to get in. Make them fucking miserable until they give up. If they try to bust out, use whatever force is necessary to stop them.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:13:16pm

re: #305 freetoken

At Ruby Ridge, 3 people wound up dead.

At Waco, 76 people died.

No, it’s not too much to worry about possible carnage from nutcases that roam the hinterlands of this country.

And no one died during the Montana Freemen standoff, which lasted 81 days.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:14:17pm

Send me in there with my guitar, a cowbell and some booze. They’ll leave.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:14:31pm

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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“Ladies and gentlemen, I truly believe the battle is for your mind…But the war…is for your soul…”

He needs our prayers-but even more than that, his truck apparently needs new shocks.

Comments don’t seem to be running his way…

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:14:37pm

re: #312 FormerDirtDart

And no one died during the Montana Freemen standoff, which lasted 81 days.

Which is an example of the wait-em-out approach, which may be best in this case.

I’m not saying the feds should go in shooting right now in Oregon. But I think we have to consider it may come to that someday.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:15:11pm

re: #312 FormerDirtDart

And no one died during the Montana Freemen standoff, which lasted 81 days.

And no one died at the Bundy Ranch.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:16:09pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

And no one died at the Bundy Ranch.

And the Feds came out of that looking like fools, so now we end up with Oregon.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:16:16pm

re: #315 freetoken

Which is an example of the wait-em-out approach, which may be best in this case.

I’m not saying the feds should go in shooting right now in Oregon. But I think we have to consider it may come to that someday.

Could happen, but the trigger event will be very overt this time.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:16:36pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

And no one died at the Bundy Ranch.

However, as asserted above, the current situation can be seen as an outgrowth of the lack of the Bundy Ranch problem being truly resolved.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:16:37pm

re: #316 Decatur Deb

And no one died at the Bundy Ranch.

Not directly, but it brought those 2 psycho cop killers to Nevada.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:17:56pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

And the Feds came out of that looking like fools, so now we end up with Oregon.

And after Waco they were painted as baby killers, so we got Oklahoma City and the Threepers got their Alamo.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:18:08pm

re: #320 Kragar

I’m pretty sure they count against the Bundy tally, right? And it’s even the same group.

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Shimshon  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:18:29pm

re: #223 Reality Based Steve

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Don’t forget about husbands….

RBS

Be careful of rogue hipsters they may appear harmless but they are in fact very dangerous.

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mmmirele  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:18:50pm

re: #303 Bubblehead II

If the Fed doesn’t do something soon the State and quite possibly the locals are going to say enough is enough and make a move against these clowns. If that happens, all bets are off.

When the roads become driveable without having to white-knuckle it, I could see a lot of Portlandians going over to the refuge on the weekend to taunt the inmates.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:19:12pm

re: #322 Bass Reeves

I’m pretty sure they count against the Bundy tally, right? And it’s even the same group.

The assholes at Bundy ranch sent them away.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:19:13pm

re: #309 ObserverArt

Are you also willing to accept 11 feds dead and FOX, CNN, and others turning this into heavy-handed, jack-booted federal power grab against ordinary Americans?

Yes, I’m very sad to say that I would accept those dead LEOs. I don’t want any of them to die but better that 11 than a lot more later if the craziness is allowed to run unchecked.

As far as the media, most of the country is well aware of what the situation is. This is not Waco, or Ruby Ridge. These are not people in their own homes that the Feds are coming down on. They are not contained and isolated and can’t simply be waited out. These are people who have overtaken public property by (threat of) force and are actively subverting the normal rule of law in that area. The situations are very different and I think most people would realize it. The ones who don’t, well, most of them are on the militants’ side of the argument already anyways.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:19:37pm

re: #311 Kragar

Cut off their food, water, and power. Isolate them completely, keep the press out, arrest anyone trying to get in. Make them fucking miserable until they give up. If they try to bust out, use whatever force is necessary to stop them.

I’ll be happy to go up there and fix my beady little eye on them. I’ve been told I can be very intimidating. :) And they’d look pretty bad shooting an unarmed 62 year old woman. Of course, optics doesn’t seem to be their principal area of expertise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:19:42pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

And after Waco they were painted as baby killers, so we got Oklahoma City and the Threepers got their Alamo.

There was no way Waco was ever going to end any other way than it did.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:20:30pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

And the Feds came out of that looking like fools, so now we end up with Oregon.

To who?

To you or to the majority of the citizens of this country? Really, how do you think the majority of this country thinks about Bundy? Do they think the Bundy bubbas showed them all up, or are they happy it ended the way it did and no one went home in a body bag?

Later…time to give it a rest for the day.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:21:28pm

re: #326 Whack-A-Mole

Yes, I’m very sad to say that I would accept those dead LEOs. I don’t want any of them to die but better that 11 than a lot more later if the craziness is allowed to run unchecked.

As far as the media, most of the country is well aware of what the situation is. This is not Waco, or Ruby Ridge. These are not people in their own homes that the Feds are coming down on. They are not contained and isolated and can’t simply be waited out. These are people who have overtaken public property by (threat of) force and are actively subverting the normal rule of law in that area. The situations are very different and I think most people would realize it. The ones who don’t, well, most of them are on the militants’ side of the argument already anyways.

FFS—LGF spends a lot of time condemning LE for unnecessary killing of people who have not gone to trial.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:22:05pm

I am in no way advocating the Feds go in guns blazing.

I am saying if events unfold and militia nuts end up dead, well, que sera sera.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:22:11pm

re: #329 ObserverArt

To who?

To you or to the majority of the citizens of this country? Really, how do you think the majority of this country thinks about Bundy? Do they think the Bundy bubbas showed them all up, or are they happy it ended the way it did and no one went home in a body bag?

Later…time to give it a rest for the day.

I kinda wonder if the Feds figured they’d just wait for Cliven Bundy to die and take it out of his estate.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:23:27pm

re: #332 calochortus

I kinda wonder if the Feds figured they’d just wait for Cliven Bundy to die and take it out of his estate.

That’s the very long approach, as Cliven could be around for years.

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:23:40pm

Their next move is going to be to have their “court” declare the sheriff, county judge, and anyone else in their way invalid. They will then appoint their own “constitutional” sheriff and start running county patrols of “deputies.”

Watch, they are going to try to take the entire country over by simply supplanting the elected government (at the end of a gun). They may even get away with it if they can avoid serious violence, or at least keep any bloodshed deniable. After all they can always blame it on the Feds.

Real question is will the local and State police stand up to them when they try to expand their reach.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:24:14pm

I guess I don’t understand why the Feds would go in, “guns blazing”. LEOS evict people all the time; if the Bundys decide make this Bundy’s Last Stand, there won’t be much doubt who caused this, except among the crazies.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:25:45pm

re: #333 freetoken

That’s the very long approach, as Cliven could be around for years.

It’s already been going on for 20 years, so they’re evidently not in a hurry. I vaguely recall that there have been at least a couple cases where they did that.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:26:17pm

re: #334 ausador

It’s such a sparsely populated area, that they might be able to run with their fantasy for a while.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:26:30pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

The governor, through her state Adjutant General, commands the Oregon National Guard. If the locals need help, she’s it. If the Feds think they should hold off on shooting up their own property, that’s their call.

Yes, at this point it’s the Feds call. But the locals want them gone both from the refuge and the town. This situation is a powder keg and all it is going to take is some trigger happy militiaman idiot to either shoot or otherwise assault a local to set it off.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:26:51pm

re: #336 calochortus

In the end, the IRS is the fed’s ultimate weapon.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:26:54pm

re: #313 Amory Blaine

Send me in there with my guitar, a cowbell and some booze. They’ll leave.

I’ll sing, we can have them out within an hour!

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:26:55pm

re: #331 Kragar

I am in no way advocating the Feds go in guns blazing.

I am saying if events unfold and militia nuts end up dead, well, que sera sera.

Saw your comment coming down the thread to log out…

I think this is where the Feds really are. Which means they are doing what most want.

It does seem some folks are happy to go in guns blazing right now. And any move in any kind of strong manner to arrest them is going to start the guns blazing.

Don’t many say that is what the occupying assholes want…a war. And so many seem to give it to them.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:28:04pm

re: #339 freetoken

In the end, the IRS is the fed’s ultimate weapon.

But that self appointed judge said the IRS is a foreign corporation or something so they don’t have to pay, right?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:28:21pm

Well, that appears to be it. Thought maybe they lost service out at Malheur, but, nope.
They just got the single guy from New Mexico to partake in their big “Signing Ceremony”

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gwangung  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:28:38pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

Saw your comment coming down the thread to log out…

I think this is where the Feds really are. Which means they are doing what most want.

It does seem some folks are happy to go in guns blazing right now. And any move in any kind of strong manner to arrest them is going to start the guns blazing.

Don’t many say that is what the occupying assholes want…a war. And so many seem to give it to them.

I think the Feds want the twits to make the first violent move. That would cover everything.

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:29:02pm

re: #287 lawhawk

With a couple hours to go before this storm wraps up, and it looks like Central Park will set an all time record later this evening. Those records date back to 1860s. So yeah, this is a pretty historic storm.

But lest we forget, this storm is affecting nearly 1/3 of the nation from TN/KY up to Boston Massachusetts.

And when you talk about storms like this, the NESIS comes to mind - the northeast storm intensity scale. It measures the kind of impact a storm has - combining population affected with how much snow drops plus geographic data.

This storm is a whopper on that scale IMO.

Or as they say, “Axle deep to a Ferris Wheel.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:29:29pm

re: #338 Bubblehead II

Yes, at this point it’s the Feds call. But the locals want them gone both from the refuge and the town. This situation is a powder keg and all it is going to take is some trigger happy militiaman idiot to either shoot or otherwise assault a local to set it off.

If they kill someone, or attempt to ‘arrest’ and try a local official, that will bring the county and state down on them, with feds providing whatever air and armor is legal. Even that should be a deliberate process.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:33:11pm

A big danger I feel is that yeah, maybe these guys are a bunch of stupid yahoos, but all the leeway, joking in the press etc., is paving the way for the next one which won’t be run by yahoos but dangerous motherfuckers that will use their clown cover to do some real damage.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:34:13pm

re: #347 Amory Blaine

A big danger I feel is that yeah, maybe these guys are a bunch of stupid yahoos, but all the leeway, joking in the press etc., is paving the way for the next one which won’t be run by yahoos but dangerous motherfuckers that will use their clown cover to do some real damage.

Letting these doofs beclown themselves reduces the risk of that.

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ausador  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:34:25pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Well, that appears to be it. Thought maybe they lost service out at Malheur, but, nope.
They just got the single guy from New Mexico to partake in their big “Signing Ceremony”

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Good sign, none of the local ranchers who attended Bundy’s meeting/sovereign citizen lesson fell for his b.s.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:35:08pm

re: #344 gwangung

I think the Feds want the twits to make the first violent move. That would cover everything.

Amen.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:35:23pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

Right, that’s where the danger is. The next ones might not be clowns but we are now conditioned to believe they probably are.

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Skip Intro  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:36:05pm

Back on topic,

merriam-webster.com

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:36:23pm

re: #349 ausador

Good sign, none of the local ranchers who attended Bundy’s meeting/sovereign citizen lesson fell for his b.s.

You don’t generally stay in business as a rancher by being stupid.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:36:24pm

re: #344 gwangung

I think the Feds want the twits to make the first violent move. That would cover everything.

And the first violent move is likely to be fool-on-fool. These idiots don’t work and play well together under stress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:36:39pm

re: #332 calochortus

I kinda wonder if the Feds figured they’d just wait for Cliven Bundy to die and take it out of his estate.

Cliven Bundy has no estate. Everything is in his wife’s name.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:37:17pm

Bit o’ trivia: I made reference in my last comment to I’m Gonna Git You Sucka, and I just remembered that Steve James, who played Kung Fu Joe in the movie, was a prolific letter writer to cult movie magazines that I was also an avid reader of and letter writer to, particularly Film Fax and Psychotronic, and when I heard that he’d passed away, in 1993, I happened to mention his name to my brother-in-law Larry, who told me that he and Mr. James went to C.W Post College together and had remained great friends after graduating. Mr. James died way too young and I only wish I could have met him.

Anyway, speaking of cult movie magazines, Shock Cinema is an excellent one and well worth supporting before print magazines go the way of dinosaurs like the Republican Party.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:38:33pm

re: #351 Amory Blaine

Right, that’s where the danger is. The next ones might not be clowns but we are now conditioned to believe they probably are.

I follow their belchings like an ethnographer. Any of them that are not clowns have never started a blog or sent a tweet. (Yes, there probably are some.)

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:38:35pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cliven Bundy has no estate. Everything is in his wife’s name.

Not a lawyer and all that, but I think most asset transfers to avoid liability aren’t valid.

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mmmirele  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:38:44pm

The “natural law judge” who was at the “signing” at the refuge has been identified as another perennial sovereign citizen kook, name of Joaquin DeMoreta-Folch. This guy regularly files florid papers in US courts as an intervenor and of course, it never, ever works.

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:39:23pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, if the assets are hers, then she’ll still have the debt, won’t she?

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:40:05pm
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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:41:29pm

re: #361 Jenner7

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I’ve heard some people are going out to try and find/help the undocumented get water, but many are too frightened of Immigration to answer the door.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:42:58pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

FFS—LGF spends a lot of time condemning LE for unnecessary killing of people who have not gone to trial.

Yes, and I share that condemnation of those cops who kill unnecessarily kill people. But if the cops go in against armed subjects and those armed subjects either refuse to surrender or fire on the cops, the use of force by the cops, even deadly force, is not unnecessary and I have no problem with it. I say again, I have no problem with police using deadly force when it is appropriate.

If the cops go in to reassert the rule of law and they are fired upon by these yahoos, it is an appropriate use of force to fire back. These are not 12 year old kids with a pellet gun in a city park that the cops are going to shoot down without even talking to. These are heavily armed insurgents who know exactly what the situation is and what the rules of engagement are.

And note the phrase “rule of law”. I’m not talking about sending the cops in over a violation of the law, certainly not a minor one like selling untaxed cigarettes. I’m talking about reasserting the rule of law period, full-stop. These guys have thrown aside the supremacy of our entire legal system as it is agreed to by every other citizen in that county, state, and the U.S. and are unilaterally replacing it with their own form of the law.

I am advocating for sending in the LEOs not to enforce one or several laws, but to reassert it in a currently lawless area.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:43:01pm

re: #358 calochortus

Not a lawyer and all that, but I think most asset transfers to avoid liability aren’t valid.

Especially if he retains operational control over all ranching operations.

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Jenner7  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:43:04pm

Meanwhile, we have this bullshit:

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:43:12pm

re: #362 calochortus

I’ve heard some people are going out to try and find/help the undocumented get water, but many are too frightened of Immigration to answer the door.

That’s what churches/mosques are good for.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:46:37pm

re: #363 Whack-A-Mole

Yes, and I share that condemnation of those cops who kill unnecessarily kill people. But if the cops go in against armed subjects and those armed subjects either refuse to surrender or fire on the cops, the use of force by the cops, even deadly force, is not unnecessary and I have no problem with it. I say again, I have no problem with police using deadly force when it is appropriate.

If the cops go in to reassert the rule of law and they are fired upon by these yahoos, it is an appropriate use of force to fire back. These are not 12 year old kids with a pellet gun in a city that the cops are going to shoot down without even talking to. These are heavily armed insurgents who know exactly what the situation is and what the rules of engagement are.

And note the phrase “rule of law”. I’m not talking about sending the cops in over a violation of the law, certainly not a minor one like selling untaxed cigarettes. I’m talking about reasserting the rule of law period, full-stop. These guys have thrown aside the supremacy of our entire legal system as it is agreed to by every other citizen in that county, state, and the U.S. and are unilaterally replacing it with their own form of the law.

I am advocating for sending in the LEOs not to enforce one or several laws, but to reassert it in a currently lawless area.

Good enough in theory, but not necessarily best practice. You would need to build clearcut public support (which the feds do not have). And now it seems families with kids are coming and going.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:47:08pm

Good evening.
Still snowing, tapering off though.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:47:38pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cliven Bundy has no estate. Everything is in his wife’s name.

Nevada, like Idaho is a joint property State. Unless they are legally divorced or separated, what one owes, so does the other. Something these idiots seem to overlook.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:52:35pm

re: #369 Bubblehead II

Nevada, like Idaho is a joint property State. Unless they are legally divorced or separated, what one owes, so does the other. Something these idiots seem to overlook.

They aren’t very smart about much anything.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:52:53pm

re: #365 Jenner7

Meanwhile, we have this bullshit:

Ron Fournier

Why hasn’t @POTUS apologized? Why no policy changes to avoid repeat? Why not visit #Flint? Blew city off last week

Who could forget that time Ron Fournier blew off several cities in a single bound? Good times.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:56:48pm

I miss having a cat around. Fecking cats.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 5:58:16pm

Please note that I’m not advocating for LE to go into the Malheur Refuge with guns blazing. I’m just saying it looks to me like the situation is starting to get dangerously out of control, and as more and more of these heavily armed head cases keep showing up the chances of a violent outbreak are increasing. I’m glad I’m not the person who has to make a decision about what to do.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:01:07pm

re: #311 Kragar

Cut off their food, water, and power. Isolate them completely, keep the press out, arrest anyone trying to get in. Make them fucking miserable until they give up. If they try to bust out, use whatever force is necessary to stop them.

Yes. I understand why the authorities aren’t cracking down with force, but I honestly don’t get why they’re allowing these domestic terrorists free rein to come and go, Internet access, cell phones, electricity, mail, etc. That seems kind of crazy to me.

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:03:17pm

re: #367 Decatur Deb

Good enough in theory, but not necessarily best practice. You would need to build clearcut public support (which the feds do not have). And now it seems families with kids are coming and going.

It probably isn’t the best practice. I fully acknowledge that. I have no idea what the best practice would be.

But I also fully acknowledge the fact that the practice of waiting them out and letting them go as was done before is a worse practice. That practice not only encouraged another one to happen, but another one involving THE EXACT SAME PERPETRATORS. They learned nothing except that they could get away with it.

As far as the kids and family go, I don’t know what to say. I most certainly don’t want to see them hurt and I’m sure no one does. But that is exactly what the militants are counting on. I’m glad I’m not in charge of the situation because I wouldn’t want that “go in or wait them out” call on my conscience.

All I know is that we cannot continue to give them the freedom to set up their little independent crazy-state and export the ideology to other areas.

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nines09  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:05:33pm

re: #373 Charles Johnson

All I know is if you reward bad behavior, you get more bad behavior. Along with all the wannabes jacking up the ante. Should have been nipped in the bud. All the cameras sure don’t help it either. reporting this shit like the cases are valid and the action justified. Screwing the good folks of that town too.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:06:01pm

The thing that gets me, is that there are groups of insurgents in Afghanistan who have a more legitimate gripe than these people, and we’re being softer on them than the residents of say…Baltimore, Ferguson, NYC, LA. That is probably driving a lot of my frustration.

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worldknot  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:06:11pm

Y’all Qaeda or Vanilla ISIS?

The latter, apparently.

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:08:11pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

Yes. I understand why the authorities aren’t cracking down with force, but I honestly don’t get why they’re allowing these domestic terrorists free rein to come and go, Internet access, cell phones, electricity, mail, etc. That seems kind of crazy to me.

All that in bold…sounds like your NSA at work. Collecting a little data that can turn into evidence so when this is over some of them may find getting pulled over for a taillight out could have them off to jail and a long federal trial in a city not of their choice.

Edit to add: I bet if he were alive today Timothy McVeigh would be in Oregon. And if there were no Waco…would a Bundy Oregon shootout set him off? Not sure what that means to me…but it is something to ponder.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:10:14pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

Yes. I understand why the authorities aren’t cracking down with force, but I honestly don’t get why they’re allowing these domestic terrorists free rein to come and go, Internet access, cell phones, electricity, mail, etc. That seems kind of crazy to me.

The feds are probably learning an awful lot, and planning in detail. OTOH, they could be fucking up.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:10:57pm

re: #379 ObserverArt

They aren’t trying to hide, and having the NSA spy on them would be absolutely horrible optics, as well as probably illegal. They have effing daily press conferences and post on social media, why do we need the NSA?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:11:56pm

re: #375 Whack-A-Mole

It probably isn’t the best practice. I fully acknowledge that. I have no idea what the best practice would be.

But I also fully acknowledge the fact that the practice of waiting them out and letting them go as was done before is a worse practice. That practice not only encouraged another one to happen, but another one involving THE EXACT SAME PERPETRATORS. They learned nothing except that they could get away with it.

As far as the kids and family go, I don’t know what to say. I most certainly don’t want to see them hurt and I’m sure no one does. But that is exactly what the militants are counting on. I’m glad I’m not in charge of the situation because I wouldn’t want that “go in or wait them out” call on my conscience.

All I know is that we cannot continue to give them the freedom to set up their little independent crazy-state and export the ideology to other areas.

Winter is coming.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:16:30pm

re: #374 Charles Johnson

Yes. I understand why the authorities aren’t cracking down with force, but I honestly don’t get why they’re allowing these domestic terrorists free rein to come and go, Internet access, electricity, mail, etc. That seems kind of crazy to me.

Imagine the Obama administration spending more time kicking American traitors off federal land than deporting people escaping perils unimaginable to most Americans?

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bratwurst  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:16:41pm

re: #365 Jenner7

Meanwhile, we have this bullshit:

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I am sure it would be some consolation to those lead poisoned folks and their families to know it at least helped Ron Fournier make a name for himself, right?

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ObserverArt  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:17:03pm

re: #381 Bass Reeves

They aren’t trying to hide, and having the NSA spy on them would be absolutely horrible optics, as well as probably illegal. They have effing daily press conferences and post on social media, why do we need the NSA?

Change the optics. Let’s say the FBI is collecting because a bunch on nitwits are on federal land using federal communications illegally. Why is it not legal to do that? These guys are no longer private citizens.

I should have not said NSA. You are right that is a red flag. But I am not going to be naive how things work. People want them out…this is a part of it…police work, through courts granting warrants, etc.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:20:51pm

re: #381 Bass Reeves

Actually, with the latest revisions that Obama signed, the Feds may already have Stingrays and/or Dirtboxes in place for metadata gathering. Whether or not there is any value in gathering the audio data in the Y’all Qaeda participants is another issue.

The reality is that none of us knows what the Feds are doing outside of what they choose to publicly disclose-which is standard operating procedure.

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Bass Reeves  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:20:58pm

re: #385 ObserverArt

I feel like I’m being a mite pedantic here. For me, when you say FBI I think ‘sure, can do’. When you say NSA, I think ‘EO 12333 NOOOOOOO’. Different lanes and all that.

I still wonder what else you’d need to convict them in court than their publicly available statements and media coverage. Like, if that won’t do it, classified methods and means won’t do it either.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:21:02pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:21:03pm

It’s Hillary behind it all!!!

200 FBI VEHICLES ARRIVE AT OREGON STANDOFF/HILLARY BEHIND LAND GRAB.

200 FBI VEHICLES ARRIVE AT OREGON STANDOFF/HILLARY BEHIND LAND GRAB.

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WhatEVs  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:22:49pm

re: #338 Bubblehead II

Yes, at this point it’s the Feds call. But the locals want them gone both from the refuge and the town. This situation is a powder keg and all it is going to take is some trigger happy militiaman idiot to either shoot or otherwise assault a local to set it off.

The locals want Y’all Qaeda gone but rail against the government, including the FBI at every turn.

And the only (and I really mean only) reason I’ve backed off of violently removing these assholes is OK City. Waco and Ruby Ridge created McVeigh, Nichols and many militia members.

Read what these guys are about (all OPB stories, like the one on Ryan…they’re all crazy [I’d say clinically], many are conspiracy theorists [Ryan is a military quasi special forces trained guy who believes in the GA Guidestones; that governments are going to kill 93 million people, and Agenda 21)…they’re nuts.

How do you have honest dialogue with crazy people?

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calochortus  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:23:01pm

re: #389 Amory Blaine

It’s Hillary behind it all!!!

200 FBI VEHICLES ARRIVE AT OREGON STANDOFF/HILLARY BEHIND LAND GRAB.

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Yeah. I saw that. Ruskies after our precious uranium. Sure.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:23:28pm

re: #387 Bass Reeves

I feel like I’m being a mite pedantic here. For me, when you say FBI I think ‘sure, can do’. When you say NSA, I think ‘EO 12333 NOOOOOOO’. Different lanes and all that.

I still wonder what else you’d need to convict them in court than their publicly available statements and media coverage. Like, if that won’t do it, classified methods and means won’t do it either.

Forensics. Though I noticed Finicum was wearing rubber gloves when he was pawing the poly bags of artifacts.

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bratwurst  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:23:58pm

This is a serious contender for the GOP nomination…on stage with Glenn fucking Beck who is administering a mock oath of office. Unreal.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:24:12pm

re: #390 WhatEVs

How do you have honest dialogue with crazy people?

With straight jackets and thorazine

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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:24:39pm

re: #213 makeitstop

OT, reposted from downstairs - our front yard.

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Wow, that looks a lot like my front yard did yesterday:

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Bass Reeves  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:24:43pm

re: #392 Decatur Deb

Hehe yeah that’s my point. Why do you need fingerprints of when you have a picture of him?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:24:51pm

Experimenting with a menu bar that stays anchored at the top of the window as you scroll down.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:25:19pm

re: #393 bratwurst

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This is a serious contender for the GOP nomination…on stage with Glenn fucking Beck who is administering a mock oath of office. Unreal.

Be nice. It’s as close as he’s going to get.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:26:37pm

re: #380 Decatur Deb

The feds are probably learning an awful lot, and planning in detail. OTOH, they could be fucking up.

I believe the latter has already happen, to a certain extent.

That additional people/family members were allowed to come only can add to the tragedy, if one should occur, of a violent confrontation.

I believe the county sheriff, while noble, was clearly out gunned and out maneuvered right from the start. It’s just too sparse of a county to have a large local law enforcement system, and that is why Bundy and his gang chose it. Most counties in this country would have had the man power to intervene right away.

Again, I can’t conceive of a good reason to have allowed additional people to join this (so far non-fatal) uprising.

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Kragar  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:27:16pm
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Timothy Watson  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:29:16pm

re: #400 Kragar

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I have an amazing idea for the Party of Personal Responsibility: Don’t go out driving in a snow/ice storm.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:31:00pm

re: #400 Kragar

The state National Guard has to be activated by the governor. Posse Comitatus Act and all that.

Even if there’s a natural disaster, it’s up to the governor to activate the national guard, not the president.

So, if there’s a delay in KY getting emergency aid, you can thank the GOP for that.

Of course, here in NYC metro, you’ve got right wingers bitching about how Gov. Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio shut down roads/highways during the storm, and/or gave warnings that there’d be arrests/summons for driving on highways during the storm. Yeah, these people are unhinged. Common sense eludes them. They’d also be the first to bitch that the roads/bridges were clogged with cars and not plowed because people weren’t told to stay at home etc.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:31:00pm

Oregon militant pulled his young daughters from school and brought them to armed standoff

Two school-aged girls have been staying with militants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon Public Broadcasting confirmed.

Members of the militia group lead by the Bundy clan have long stated they have women and children at the refuge, even implying their use as human shields against federal action. The group has also been free to come and go at will. But OPB has confirmed that two sisters, aged 8 and 9, have been continuously at the refuge as part of the occupation.

[…]

I know it’s only my opinion, but it is wrong for the feds, state, and county to allow passage to and from the encampment.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:31:03pm

re: #396 Bass Reeves

Hehe yeah that’s my point. Why do you need fingerprints of when you have a picture of him?

Either the tyrannical feds are going to drop an anvil on Cliven, the kids, and the whole bunch at a time of their choosing, or the entire DoJ, DHS/FBI leadership is a pack of incompetents. My money is on the anvil.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:32:33pm

re: #399 freetoken

…snip
Again, I can’t conceive of a good reason to have allowed additional people to join this (so far non-fatal) uprising.

To clean out the whole network.

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bratwurst  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:33:14pm

I prayed for Glenn to lose his daily TV show. I also wrote emails. A LOT of emails.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:34:01pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

To clean out the whole network.

That might be a fine strategy for spy networks, but I think it is just wrong when the “network” includes minors.

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Targetpractice  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:35:01pm

re: #402 lawhawk

The state National Guard has to be activated by the governor. Posse Comitatus Act and all that.

Even if there’s a natural disaster, it’s up to the governor to activate the national guard, not the president.

So, if there’s a delay in KY getting emergency aid, you can thank the GOP for that.

Of course, here in NYC metro, you’ve got right wingers bitching about how Gov. Cuomo and Mayor DeBlasio shut down roads/highways during the storm, and/or gave warnings that there’d be arrests/summons for driving on highways during the storm. Yeah, these people are unhinged. Common sense eludes them. They’d also be the first to bitch that the roads/bridges were clogged with cars and not plowed because people weren’t told to stay at home etc.

*State/local Democrats enact sensible moves to protect people from natural disaster*

“SOCIALISM! They’re limiting our ability to move and criminalizing driving! This is ridiculous!”

*News stories of people stuck in freezing cars on snow-covered roads because they failed to heed the emergency directives*

“WHY ISN’T THE GOVERNMENT HELPING THOSE PEOPLE?!”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:36:34pm

re: #407 freetoken

That might be a fine strategy for spy networks, but I think it is just wrong when the “network” includes minors.

I mean arrest at leisure, with an airtight case. I’m one arguing against storming the battlements. Many of the problem children aren’t even in Oregon.

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Reality Based Steve  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:37:52pm

re: #403 freetoken

Oregon militant pulled his young daughters from school and brought them to armed standoff

I know it’s only my opinion, but it is wrong for the feds, state, and county to allow passage to and from the encampment.

I agree. For quite a while I’ve argued for a 1 way gate, if people come out, fine. But nobody goes back in. 1 press meeting a day with 1 rep from print, 1 from broadcast and 1 from ‘new media’, they then report back to the press pool.

Jam the cell coverage, take away the internet, take away their platform. I really think if this had happened a week in or so, it would either be finished by now, or at worst, a state of stalemate would develop, not the influx of militia members and sovereigns that seem to have streamed in.

They wanted a mountain to stand on, and I’m afraid that we (the govt.) helped give them one.

RBS

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:39:51pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:41:04pm

re: #407 freetoken

Since the tragedy is now going to include minors, sadly, there’s no sense in holding back.

The Feds need to publicly announce arrest warrants for the active participants and give them 48 hours to peacefully surrender, and that they will guarantee the safety of their children.

Now watch how THAT would play out.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:41:41pm

My wife exclaiming while watching John Cassavetes’ Gloria (1980): “Gloria don’t play!”

In the acting world, I believe this is what is technically called Gena Rowlands delivering a master class in how to kick acting ass.
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TedStriker  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:41:46pm

re: #326 Whack-A-Mole

Yes, I’m very sad to say that I would accept those dead LEOs. I don’t want any of them to die but better that 11 than a lot more later if the craziness is allowed to run unchecked.

As far as the media, most of the country is well aware of what the situation is. This is not Waco, or Ruby Ridge. These are not people in their own homes that the Feds are coming down on. They are not contained and isolated and can’t simply be waited out. These are people who have overtaken public property by (threat of) force and are actively subverting the normal rule of law in that area. The situations are very different and I think most people would realize it. The ones who don’t, well, most of them are on the militants’ side of the argument already anyways.

Seriously,

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Whack-A-Mole  Jan 23, 2016 • 6:52:25pm

re: #414 TedStriker

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Yes I would. Of course, I don’t want to see them dead (and I have to say I resent the WTF implication that I want to see them dead or am otherwise cheering for their deaths).

But I would accept them dying for the cause of putting an end to this rebellion just like I would accept the deaths of soldiers on a battlefield in a just war. Regrettable and tragic, but possibly necessary. I don’t want them to die but their purpose is to enforce the law and, if needed, to risk their lives achieving that purpose.

Especially if the cost of doing nothing is to embolden these fools and we end up with another dozen of these insurrections.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2016 • 7:13:13pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And suddenly Jade Helm looks like good practice.

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EmmaAnne  Jan 23, 2016 • 7:15:45pm

re: #397 Charles Johnson

Experimenting with a menu bar that stays anchored at the top of the window as you scroll down.

I don’t mind those except if they flicker in and out every time you scroll down. That makes me crazy.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Jan 24, 2016 • 12:46:58am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

Either the tyrannical feds are going to drop an anvil on Cliven, the kids, and the whole bunch at a time of their choosing, or the entire DoJ, DHS/FBI leadership is a pack of incompetents. My money is on the anvil.

I’m hoping the anvil includes the feds taking down Cliven Bundy at the same time. Maybe they are hoping enough of Ol’ Man Bundy’s Private Militia head up here that it makes it easy to snag his ass at the same time they nail the loons at the wildlife reserve.

One can dream…


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