Watch LIVE: MSNBC Democratic Candidates Debate

Battle of the true progressives
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Martin O’Malley is an ex-candidate, so tonight’s MSNBC debate will feature the first one-on-one confrontation between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. The moderators will be Chuck Toddler and Rachel Maddow, so at least one of them will ask some decent questions.

Sanders’s unfortunate pronouncement that true “progressives” can’t also be “moderates” is sure to come up; Clinton and Sanders exchanged some pretty heated words about that one on Twitter this week. I’ll be interested to see if Sanders walks this statement back, because it was very ill-advised.

(Kudos to MSNBC for providing an embeddable version of their live feed — the only network hosting debates that’s doing so.)

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325 comments
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Decatur Deb  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:55:59pm

Since we lost 1/3 of the candidates, this should only go 2/3 of an hour, right?

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:56:35pm

I agree that Sanders needs to do damage control on that progressives vs. moderates crap.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:57:29pm

Yeah when he said that and started the “no true progressive” purity tests he pretty much lost me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:57:30pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

I agree that Sanders needs to do damage control on that progressives vs. moderates crap.

He does but I’m afraid he’ll make it worse.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:57:34pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

I agree that Sanders needs to do damage control on that progressives vs. moderates crap.

He won’t until his polls start dropping, which they haven’t yet.

I am glad to see some serious pushback by Democratic senators, though. It needs to intensify.

politico.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 5:59:28pm

re: #3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah when he said that and started the “no true progressive” purity tests he pretty much lost me.

He lost me because Clinton pointed out that he’s not exactly Mr. Pure Progressive himself on immigration and especially guns. ABL also pointed out that he opposed an order to close Guatamano too or something like that. I mean point is, don’t do that shit because it’s just as easy to point to holes in your own record and Bernie can use his state all he wants as a rationale for his record on guns but the fact of the matter is he poked his finger in this hole and he’s gotta clean up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:02:08pm

re: #5 Brian J.

He won’t until his polls start dropping, which they haven’t yet.

I am glad to see some serious pushback by Democratic senators, though. It needs to intensify.

politico.com

I am not a big Claire McCaskill fan but this The Missouri Democrat, who found herself on Clinton’s bad side after endorsing President Barack Obama in 2008, says her colleagues are not happy that they keep getting lumped into the “establishment” whenever Sanders dings Clinton for her long Democratic Party ties and deep party backing Frankly, I don’t think it’s right for supporters of a man who’s barely been a Democrat a year to call anyone a DINO. Find fault with her voting record, that’s legit IMO but Bernie couldn’t even bother becoming a Democrat until he saw it as his route to the WH.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:02:56pm

Chuck Todd makes my gorge rise.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:04:47pm

I’m able to watch through the NBC news site:

nbcnews.com

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:05:00pm

Here comes Sanders one trick pony

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:05:03pm

Sanders can go politics or whatever but the fact of the matter is Clinton has more support among elected Democrats because she has campaigned for many of them. That’s not dirty politics. That’s appreciation. When was the last time that Bernie campaigned for Democrats at the rate Clinton has? It was pointed out last night but part of the president’s job is being the head of his party and Bernie doesn’t have any legitimate grounds to claim that crown.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:05:47pm

Dear Bernie: The USA was formed by white guys who only gave white men the ability to rule.

The system was “rigged” from the start.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:06:17pm

This is kind of fun. Bergmanesque Teletubbies to Joy Division:

Christopher G. Brown’s Teletubbies Joy Division Edit

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:07:00pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Sanders can go politics or whatever but the fact of the matter is Clinton has more support among elected Democrats because she has campaigned for many of them. That’s not dirty politics. That’s appreciation. When was the last time that Bernie campaigned for Democrats at the rate Clinton has? It was pointed out last night but part of the president’s job is being the head of his party and Bernie doesn’t have any legitimate grounds to claim that crown.

Exactly. The “Establishment” exists to, well, establish policies and run the government, and that’s something you cannot do alone, especially when you have no intention of helping the part beneath you.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:09:08pm

Ok, I declare Bernie wins this debate.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:09:29pm

re: #12 freetoken

Dear Bernie: The USA was formed by white guys who only gave white men the ability to rule.

The system was “rigged” from the start.

If it hadn’t been, we’d have likely had two nations or more, and the UK would have likely defeated and reabsorbed them in detail. I’m sure that was part of your point.

Bernie, almost all major mammals have tails, which doesn’t mean you’ll grow one overnight.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:09:37pm

Hillary is rightly calling out Bernie’s pie-in-the-sky proposals for huge new government programs. I would love it if everyone could have free health care and free college, but I just don’t believe it’s realistic to think we can just jump right into that.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:09:42pm

He combed his hair.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:09:59pm

re: #14 Brian J.

Exactly. The “Establishment” exists to, well, establish policies and run the government, and that’s something you cannot do alone, especially when you have no intention of helping the part beneath you.

Right, I mean the establishment is part of reality. You don’t have to necessary like em but they are there for a reason. It’s just like when people bitch about career politicians when often than not “career politicians” get politics much more than Johnny off the street running on raw anger.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:10:08pm

Sanders and his supporters so often seem like a mirror image of the tea party to me. Nearly the same demand for ideological purity, the disdain for the party ‘establishment’ and political revolution rather than evolution.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:10:12pm

Drink whenever Sanders mentions Glass-Steagall!

I feel bad for you lightweights.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:10:49pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Hillary is rightly calling out Bernie’s pie-in-the-sky proposals for huge new government programs. I would love it if everyone could have free health care and free college, but I just don’t believe it’s realistic to think we can just jump right into that.

Honestly, she needs to be blunter. That “Wall Street speculation” tax will raise a few billion dollars a year; his plans will cost hundreds of billions annually, probably a trillion or more.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:11:27pm

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

Drink whenever Sanders mentions Glass-Steagall!

I feel bad for you lightweights.

I’m out of liquor. Speaking of which. Anyone know a good North Caorlina beer? I’ve decided to get one six pack from Colorado (going with Left Hand Milk Stout for Colorado) but am stumped as hell thinking of a good NC brew for Super Bowl Sunday.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:11:35pm

Dear Bernie: “Wall Street speculation”, if a sin, and if you want to have a sin tax on it - then fine.

But what are you going to do if people reduce the amount of sinning they do?

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:11:52pm

Yeah Bernie, but in order to get what you want, you have to get through the entrenched republican establishment. Good luck with that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:12:33pm

re: #25 Bubblehead II

Yeah Bernie, but in order to get what you want, you have to get through the entrenched republican establishment. Good luck with that.

Oh well people will just take to the streets. and that will change the Republicans cold minds.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:13:09pm

HRC’s velvet hammer comes out.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:13:11pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

I’m out of liquor. Speaking of which. Anyone know a good North Caorlina beer? I’ve decided to get one six pack from Colorado (going with Left Hand Milk Stout for Colorado) but am stumped as hell thinking of a good NC brew for Super Bowl Sunday.

Never even heard of any of these as far as I could tell from a quick scroll.

beeradvocate.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:13:46pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

I’m out of liquor. Speaking of which. Anyone know a good North Caorlina beer? I’ve decided to get one six pack from Colorado (going with Left Hand Milk Stout for Colorado) but am stumped as hell thinking of a good NC brew for Super Bowl Sunday.

mr. klys had some good sours from a place in Asheville when we were there over Christmas.

I can’t remember brewery names for the life of me, though, but this place is well known for their sours, if you like that kind of thing.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:13:50pm

re: #25 Bubblehead II

Yeah Bernie, but in order to get what you want, you have to get through the entrenched republican establishment. Good luck with that.

And the Democratic one. Good luck trying to convince suburban Democrats, or nonwhite ones whose votes he isn’t getting, to support him. I’m also not sure that he knows just how far down the Democrats are in the House, and how big a swing the Democrats would need even for a majority of one.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:13:54pm

Please, no, don’t make “Progressive” a litmus test like Republicans do to “Conservative.”

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:14:04pm

“Progressive” is a trigger word.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:14:39pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Never even heard of any of these as far as I could tell from a quick scroll.

beeradvocate.com

Oooo, that list helps.

Pretty sure it is Wicked Weed that was the place with the good sours.

He was less fond of the IPA, as I recall, but that might be easier to find.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:14:56pm

Nail him Hil. 5 Votes against the Brady bill. Explain THAT Bernie.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:15:22pm

Rallying the American people lol Hell it’s hard the get them a little riled up sometimes.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:15:23pm

No True Progressive would hold their political debates on a for-profit for-pay outlet.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:15:39pm
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:15:40pm

re: #32 freetoken

“Progressive” is a trigger word.

What have voting rates got to do with economic life? Nothing; it’s just that his Marxian (not Marxist) worldview sees all of us as homo economicus. Here in Louisiana, we have extensive history demonstrating that not to be true.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:15:45pm

Bernie is running away from his line in the sand tweetersfesto yesterday.

He’s not touching the question.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:16:11pm

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Never even heard of any of these as far as I could tell from a quick scroll.

beeradvocate.com

Thanks I haven’t either..

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:16:11pm

“So what if he can’t actually accomplish anything he’s proposing! At least I’m willing to let him try! Things can’t get any worse than they have been the past 16 years.”

Yeah. Unless you’re pregnant, poor, gay, any minority etc.

Man. Bernie supporters are really turning me off.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:16:42pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’ve been warming up to the ciders. See if there are any NC ciders you can find. :)

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:16:44pm

re: #39 b.d.

Bernie is running away from his line in the sand tweetersfesto yesterday.

He’s not touching the question.

Hillary and her surrogates have got to chase him. Harry him night and day.

Bernie, if you don’t know what you’re quoting, don’t start.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:05pm

re: #33 klys (maker of Silmarils)

He liked some of what he had from Highland Brewery too, but not as much as the stuff from Wicked Weed.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:09pm

Hey Bernie. Stop digging

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:19pm

re: #34 Bubblehead II

Nail him Hil. 5 Votes against the Brady bill. Explain THAT Bernie.

That really is disappointing and I am glad that not only Hillary hit him on it but the Brady Campaign did too. Bernie wants to play purer than thou than it’s fair to hit back with this especially in an era of mass gun violence. As I’ve said, his state being rural and not having a lot of gun violence isn’t a viable excuse.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:21pm

Sanders tweets big talk but is afraid to say it to her face or answer when called on his BS.

Weak

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:31pm

Are they really going to stay on this No True Progressive skit?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:51pm

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ve been warming up to the ciders. See if there are any NC ciders you can find. :)

Hah, no idea when our next traipse around NC will be.

Well, that’s not quite true. Barring unfortunate incidents, Christmas.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:17:59pm

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

I’ve been warming up to the ciders. See if there are any NC ciders you can find. :)

Ciders are great. I had a six pack of Woodchuck for the snow storm. Good stuff.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:18:15pm

He’s doubling down on you can’t be a moderate and a progressive meme.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:18:31pm

re: #48 freetoken

Are they really going to stay on this No True Progressive skit?

Again, like that guy whose philosophy is on his hat, he’ll continue this schtick until it is a proven failure.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:18:53pm

Please Bernie, just do one thing for the good of the country. Just look Chuck Todd straight in the eye and say… ‘Chuck Todd, you’re an asshole’.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:19:06pm

re: #52 Brian J.

Again, like that guy whose philosophy is on his hat, he’ll continue this schtick until it is a proven failure.

It’s not just Sanders, but the NBC hosts too.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:19:23pm

Is he stepping on a tack or something? What’s with the constant grimacing? Not a good look.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:19:23pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I bet you’d like any of the varieties from Crispin too. Yum!

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:19:28pm

re: #53 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Please Bernie, just do one thing for the good of the country. Just look Chuck Todd straight in the eye and say… ‘Chuck Todd, you’re an asshole’.

I’d have to consider voting for Bernie if he did that. Love to see Hillary do that too.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:20:14pm

Hillary is crushing Bernie on the “progressive” issue.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:20:36pm

Bernie stepped in it, I see him scanning the audience for a BLM person to come and take over his microphone.

//

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:21:10pm

Bernie, you cannot fund an entire party that way! And without that party, you’re pretty much impotent.

Maddow has a blinding glimpse of the obvious. (And it was Rep 41, Bernie 38, Dem 19 in that race in 1988.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:21:57pm

re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus

I bet you’d like any of the varieties from Crispin too. Yum!

Yeah I know Crispin. I developed a taste for cider when I studied in Ireland. I drank a ton of Magners during my month there.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:21:59pm

Going after him for being a 3rd party outsider. Go Rachel!

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:22:38pm

re: #57 Brian J.

I’d have to consider voting for Bernie if he did that. Love to see Hillary do that too.

You just know Bernie would do THAT so, so much better.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:22:56pm

re: #54 freetoken

It’s not just Sanders, but the NBC hosts too.

But if Sanders were to stop his contributions to this nonsense, the NBC hosts wouldn’t have much to work with.

This business is really ticking me off. I’m convinced that the US is now a plutocracy, and that finding a way to undo that (if possible) is a critical political issue in the US.

Most unfortunately, the Sanders campaign appears to be making a dog’s dinner out of running on this issue.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:22:58pm

Sorry Bernie, you,re not a Democrat.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:09pm

That “50 State Strategy” didn’t do jack here in Louisiana, unless you think Bobby Jindal is a positive outcome, which he most certainly was not.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:14pm
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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:24pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:45pm

re: #68 Tigger2

… shhh….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:45pm

re: #67 b.d.

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Heh I agree with Mr. Corn’s daughter.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:23:58pm

And Bernie comes back with the “Establishment’s against me” line again!

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:24:36pm

re: #66 Brian J.

That “50 State Strategy” didn’t do jack here in Louisiana, unless you think Bobby Jindal is a positive outcome, which he most certainly was not.

The 50 state strategy that people are clamoring for elected more blue dogs that ever before and as soon as they got there the “true progressives” started climbing all over them and wanted them gone.

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bratwurst  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:24:40pm

Ok, now we are transitioning from defining “progressive” to defining “establishment”. I’m out.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:24:44pm

re: #71 Brian J.

And Bernie comes back with the “Establishment’s against me” line again!

Well, they probably are.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:24:53pm

Ellison and Grijalva are the entire list of Bernie’s Congressional, Senatorial, and gubernatorial endorsements, by the way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:25:22pm

re: #71 Brian J.

And Bernie comes back with the “Establishment’s against me” line again!

i think the establishment would probably be more okay with him if he actually had some legislation to his name that was signed into law. Bernie I hate to say comes off like a left wing Ted Cruz. He wants to have this anti-establishment status but he doesn’t seem to have a desire for passing legislation that an executive will actually sign.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:25:23pm

re: #68 Tigger2

The policy differences between Clinton and Obama in 2008 were also de minimus, as the lawyers would say.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:25:34pm

Hillary plays the “woman” card early.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:25:49pm

Oh, I like this. The velvet gloves have come off. I just hope I’m typical of Democratic voters, and in many ways I know I’m not.

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:26:07pm

re: #66 Brian J.

A 50 state strategy costs a lot of money. It sounds good but without extraordinary levels of fundraising it doesn’t work. It looked good in wave years like 06 and 08 but it really isn’t gonna work in years where we don’t have the kind of momentum that really only comes with being the party out of power

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:26:28pm

re: #67 b.d.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:26:50pm

re: #80 Zamb

I’m finding it hard to believe the Democrats will take Utah.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:26:50pm

re: #68 Tigger2

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I really don’t see how Bernie can say he is so much more Progressive than Hillary with this record.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:27:53pm

re: #66 Brian J.

That “50 State Strategy” didn’t do jack here in Louisiana, unless you think Bobby Jindal is a positive outcome, which he most certainly was not.

This is interesting. Was something tried in Louisiana under the 50-state strategy that backfired on the Democrats?

I had thought that the 50-state strategy amounted to contesting elections everywhere, which at that level of generality is pretty much a no-brainer to do.

(edited to add: of course resource constraints have to be dealt with).

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:28:00pm

Hillary has had enough of Bernie’s sh*t.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:28:04pm

Rachel makes Chuck look like a complete amateur.

But even with Todd this is much more informational about the candidates compared to the GOP Clown “Defeat Obama” Shows.

Now Hillary is bringing the heat.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:28:09pm

re: #75 Brian J.

Ellison and Grijalva are the entire list of Bernie’s Congressional, Senatorial, and gubernatorial endorsements, by the way.

I was wondering who the second was. Thanks knew about Ellison.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:28:11pm

re: #80 Zamb

A 50 state strategy costs a lot of money. It sounds good but without extraordinary levels of fundraising it doesn’t work. It looked good in wave years like 06 and 08 but it really isn’t gonna work in years where we don’t have the kind of momentum that really only comes with being the party out of power

Many state parties are as dysfunctional as they are in the deep South, where Mississippi nominated a truck driver for governor who didn’t vote in the primary, and Tennessee nominated a Lyndon LaRouche supporter for the US Senate, and South Carolina nominated a US Senate candidate who did nothing but pay the filing fee. Giving these parties money is wasting it.

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:28:11pm

re: #82 freetoken

Only if we run a true progressive! If they lose we know they aren’t a true liberal.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:30:05pm

re: #89 Zamb

Only if we run a true progressive! If they lose we know they aren’t a true liberal.

I’ve seen that mentality before and it really isn’t different from Rush constantly telling his listeners that when Republicans lose, it was because they weren’t real conservatives.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:31:00pm

re: #84 EPR-radar

This is interesting. Was something tried in Louisiana under the 50-state strategy that backfired on the Democrats?

I had thought that the 50-state strategy amounted to contesting elections everywhere, which at that level of generality is pretty much a no-brainer to do.

Part of it was bad timing, as Katrina had hit in August of 2005, just as the 50SS was getting underway. Part of it was poor candidates, or a lack of candidates for the state legislature, which the Democrats nearly lost in 2007. Part of it was that, believe it or not, Bobby Jindal was really regarded as a wunderkind.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:31:28pm

oops, that was stupid of HRC.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:31:49pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen that mentality before and it really isn’t different from Rush constantly telling his listeners that when Republicans lose, it was because they weren’t real conservatives.

This is Ted Cruz’ strategy too. Meghan Trainor is a singer, not a campaign consultant. It’s not all about the bass. I mean base.

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:31:50pm

I’m still not convinced that Martin O’Malley still isn’t going to come on stage at any moment.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:32:27pm

re: #71 Brian J.

And Bernie comes back with the “Establishment’s against me” line again!

The dude has been a politician for a long time. He IS part of the establishment.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:32:37pm

re: #95 b.d.

I’m still not convinced that Martin O’Malley still isn’t going to come on stage at any moment.

With a striped jacket, straw hat, and a cane.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:32:44pm

Kudos to the moderators. Staying out of the way, and same to the candidates not interrupting each other.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:33:12pm

re: #94 Brian J.

This is Ted Cruz’ strategy too. Meghan Trainor is a singer, not a campaign consultant. It’s not all about the bass. I mean base.

You’re right. He’s specifically singled out Dole and McCain as in his words not being Reaganites. Frankly if I were Dole and McCain, I’d take not being a Reaganite as a compliment but of course I’m not a Republican either.

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Joe Bacon  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:33:16pm

OMG. I recorded Hardball. Just saw Tweety Matthews say “SHIT” on live tv! ROTFLMAO!!!!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:33:58pm

I’m not so sure that establishment should be a dirty word.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:33:59pm

Dear Chuck - I don’t care about how little time you had to prepare. You are not why this thing exists.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:34:08pm

re: #96 GlutenFreeJesus

The dude has been a politician for a long time. He IS part of the establishment.

Dude got elected to Congress when I was 3. He is part of the establishment as you say, he’s just not part of leadership. And I was saying the same thing about Grandpa Ron Paul who got elected in the 70’s talking like he was an outsider.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:34:10pm

re: #93 Barefoot Grin

oops, that was stupid of HRC.

Which part? Sounded fine to me. She’s come out with a lot of fire tonight.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:34:48pm

Nice jab by Sanders there with the campaign finance barb. I personally believe that’s a good thing, and not necessarily aimed at Hillary. Who knows… the whole thing across the board with these ‘debates’ comes across as really shitty theater.

Some guy on my feed just said they “beat up questions”.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:36:43pm

re: #105 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

Trump doesn’t take PAC money.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:36:45pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Vermont has a population of 630,000. 95% white, mostly rural. How does he expect to be President and lead a nation of 300m?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:36:51pm

Honestly I get why the establishment is a good punching bag but at the same time, it’s often hollow populist bullshit which is how it comes here coming from as I said from a man who is on his fourth President he’s been in Congress under.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:37:00pm

Bernie…you are attacking on her contributions, but you jump on the whole idea of campaign contributions, not anything that Clinton has done specifically because of them. Don’t you need a little more or is it just guilt by association?

Maybe if we get rid of Citizen’s United vs FEC we all wouldn’t need the campaign financing. The whole damn election for President is a huge corporate show from the media to the board rooms. How can it not be touched with money, when money is all over it and condoned.

(Considering all the ground covered last night on the subject here at LGF)

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:37:41pm

re: #84 EPR-radar

This is interesting. Was something tried in Louisiana under the 50-state strategy that backfired on the Democrats?

I had thought that the 50-state strategy amounted to contesting elections everywhere, which at that level of generality is pretty much a no-brainer to do.

(edited to add: of course resource constraints have to be dealt with).

The 50 state strategy as I’ve seen it laid out involves the national party finding and funding good candidates for every district. Problem is getting potential candidates takes a lot of time and money, and if they pick the candidate that the local party doesn’t want (probably because that person doesn’t have the discipline) then they get mad and scream about interference. In the end it just ends up spreading our limited resources very thin for little benefit.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:37:55pm

Trivia: In 2012, Bernie Sanders defeated Republican candidate John McGovern 71% to 25% to defend his Senate seat. (Of course, Obama won Vermont 67% to 31%.)

McGovern spent $132,478. Sanders spent $6,270,083.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:38:47pm

re: #111 Brian J.

Trivia: In 2012, Bernie Sanders defeated Republican candidate John McGovern 71% to 25% to defend his Senate seat. (Of course, Obama won Vermont 67% to 31%.)

McGovern spent $132,478. Sanders spent $6,270,083.

That’s an eyebrow raiser.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:40:52pm

But what about MUSLIMS!!

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:41:38pm

Odd that when Bernie needs a specific Wall Street whipping boy, it’s always Goldman Sachs.

Bernie, what exactly are they supposed to be charged with?

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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:41:55pm

What specific jailable crime should the Wall Street guys be charged with?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:42:17pm

Point to Bernie for that rant about Wall Street’s lack of accountability.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:42:56pm

Glass-Steagall doesn’t address the current situation on Wall Street. The investment bank that it separated from commercial banks all dissolved or were merged out of existence just after the start of the GFC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:43:03pm

MSNBC feed is buffering

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:43:07pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

Point to Bernie for that rant about Wall Street’s lack of accountability.

I do agree with that.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:43:26pm

Bernie is working to get people to emote… which is probably what he needs to do.

It’s basically what most of the GOP candidates try to do by fear-mongering.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:43:33pm

He’s right. The richest people get away with actual murder, and the poorest get criminal records.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:00pm

Odd that Bernie can’t name any of these “many economists” who concur with him.

And thank you, Hillary, for pointing out that Dodd-Frank exists.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:11pm

OT, but Trump hasn’t been photographed with a bible for days and I’m worried about his festering puss-filled soul.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:16pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

He’s right. The richest people get away with actual murder, and the poorest get criminal records.

There’s a good Teddy Roosevelt quote. A poor man may steal from the railroad but the wealthy man may steal the entire railroad.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:22pm

This goes along with the debate theme…in case some tuneage is needed.

Wall Street Shuffle - 10cc

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:30pm

Extra point for “Teddy Roosevelt”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:36pm

re: #117 Brian J.

Glass-Steagall doesn’t address the current situation on Wall Street. The investment bank that it separated from commercial banks all dissolved or were merged out of existence just after the start of the GFC.

DRINK!!!!!

Glass-Steagall is so 1933, Bernie.

He’s a one-trick pony and always falls back on this, as if it would usher in a new era of rainbow-farting Unicorns or something.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:44:40pm

re: #120 freetoken

Bernie is working to get people to emote… which is probably what he needs to do.

It’s basically what most of the GOP candidates try to do by fear-mongering.

I just find is disturbing that it’s as effective as it has been to rant without foundation or a workable plan.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:45:05pm

re: #68 Tigger2

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But she’s not progressive.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:45:11pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

This and Wall St. lacking credibility has been something Democrats have been saying for a long, long time.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:45:51pm

Of course, if “Wall Street” is evil, then why does it matter whether there are six of these banks or sixty?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:46:38pm

re: #131 Brian J.

There should be NO banks then!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:46:40pm

re: #123 De Kolta Chair

OT, but Trump hasn’t been photographed with a bible for days and I’m worried about his festering puss-filled soul.

His tie is still exceptionally LONG.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:47:04pm

The correct answer here was NO, Hillary. This crap never ends, and you know this better than I do. No matter what you release or say, it will never be enough.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:47:09pm

RELEASE THE EMAILS TRANSCRIPTS!

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:47:46pm

re: #114 Brian J.

Odd that when Bernie needs a specific Wall Street whipping boy, it’s always Goldman Sachs.

Bernie, what exactly are they supposed to be charged with?

Any law that’s powerful enough and vague enough to go after organized crime should suffice as a good starting point for investigations of the financial sector criminals responsible for the crash of 2008. E.g., RICO.

It really is disappointing that nothing at all was done along these lines.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:49:03pm

Fraud.

That’s a big word when used that generally.

Hillary’s donation from Wall Street just shot up.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:51:53pm

Both of these seem to be ignoring why “Wall Street” ends up with so much money to begin with.

Years ago it was determined that Americans ought to buy into the idea of putting their savings in stocks and bonds.

Once you buy into that, then of course the system which works on that will become really, really large and powerful.

If you have a retirement fund (that is not government), then you are the end customer of “Wall Street“‘s “fraud”.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:51:58pm

CHYNA! Transform our trade policy! I see orange tinges around the edges of your hair, Bernie.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:52:33pm

Hey Chuck Todd, are you going to ask Bernie for all communications with the NRA and any gun lobbyists? There might be records there…we may need to see them.

/

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:52:39pm

Well it will take some Republicans to help Bernie get some of this stuff done, That’s not going to happen.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:53:18pm

Why won’t they talk about the MUSLIMS!!

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:53:32pm

Bernie just cannot hit a softball. No matter how it’s lobbed.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:54:04pm

re: #138 freetoken

Both of these seem to be ignoring why “Wall Street” ends up with so much money to begin with.

Years ago it was determined that Americans ought to buy into the idea of putting their savings in stocks and bonds.

Once you buy into that, then of course the system which works on that will become really, really large and powerful.

If you have a retirement fund (that is not government), then you are the end customer of “Wall Street“‘s “fraud”.

Yep, there’s $12,000 in my pension fund that’s apparently evil now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:55:24pm

wre: #144 Brian J.

I’ve got some shares of AAPL. I guess I’m part of the problem too!

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:55:39pm

re: #144 Brian J.

Yep, there’s $12,000 in my pension fund that’s apparently evil now.

If 100 million Americans have retirement funds, and those funds hold stocks and bonds, then the system that manages that will end up holding most of the wealth in the country.

I don’t see how it can be any other way.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:56:17pm

re: #144 Brian J.

Yep, there’s $12,000 in my pension fund that’s apparently evil now.

My very very evil 401K is gone.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:56:57pm

Also ignored is that equities are supposed to be open to loss.

This idea that one can own stocks and bonds and not lose money is a fantasy.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:57:07pm

re: #138 freetoken

Both of these seem to be ignoring why “Wall Street” ends up with so much money to begin with.

Years ago it was determined that Americans ought to buy into the idea of putting their savings in stocks and bonds.

Once you buy into that, then of course the system which works on that will become really, really large and powerful.

If you have a retirement fund (that is not government), then you are the end customer of “Wall Street“‘s “fraud”.

Damn fine point. Add in the Republicans wanted to turn Social Security over to Wall Street.

Remember when a kid could get 5% on a local bank’s savings account? Banks had to work for their money then. Good strong investment. Now everything is driven to them by the points you are making.

Savings accounts??? What the hell are those? Nothing in them. Even retirement accounts have low rates.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:57:10pm

Second-guessing a President’s military deployments is rarely a good idea. I’m pretty sure neither candidate is dumb enough to try it.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:57:12pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:58:04pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

Add in the Republicans wanted to turn Social Security over to Wall Street.

This is so important, and these two arguing over who is the True Progressive just skipped right over it.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:58:11pm

re: #151 De Kolta Chair

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I’d gladly trade his contract for Justin Trudeau’s, since he’s guaranteed through October 2019.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:58:25pm
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:58:52pm

War in Iraq! Drink, or maybe glass yourself with the bottle!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:58:57pm

I can do without the “no true Progressive” fallacy.

I didn’t much care for Secretary Clinton calling out her perception of Senator Sanders using a stealth smear and couching it in the terms of a stealth smear.

That said, the Democratic Debates have been so much more … uh … adult-like than the Republican Debates.

(A couple nights ago at my city council meeting another board member wanted to show me something about Senator Sanders on his phone, and started with “you probably won’t like the Website” - it was Drudge Report.)

My feed keeps dropping out from MSNBC. I suspect they are getting a lot of traffic.

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Botsplainer  Feb 4, 2016 • 6:59:15pm

re: #132 GlutenFreeJesus

There should be NO banks then!

Only when the means of production and the engines of capital have been seized by the vanguard of the proletariat can true income equality be realized.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:07pm

Here’s a Ustream of MSNBC

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:09pm

re: #156 Anymouse

I can do without the “no true Progressive” fallacy.

I didn’t much care for Secretary Clinton calling out her perception of Senator Sanders using a stealth smear and couching it in the terms of a stealth smear.

I disagree. I think the only way the Bernie Bros can be stopped is by Hillary and her supporter calling them out. Hints, innuendos, and insinuations need to be exposed to the air.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:18pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:28pm

ISLAM!!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:30pm

Live blog post at 538 makes a great point:

Sanders’s focus on Glass-Steagall is popular with the Democratic base, but from a policy perspective it’s a bit odd. The financial firms that helped bring down the economy in 2008 weren’t the big, diversified banks that would be split up by Glass-Steagall, which keeps investment banks separate from commercial banks. They were pure investment banks like Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, and non-banks like the insurance giant AIG. It’s certainly true that banks were big before the financial crisis and have grown bigger since, and many economists remain concerned about the problem of institutions that are “too big to fail.” But it isn’t clear that Glass-Steagall itself would have much impact on that issue.

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EPR-radar  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:01:51pm

re: #144 Brian J.

Yep, there’s $12,000 in my pension fund that’s apparently evil now.

It’s not evil, but it does make a nice hostage.

“Gee whiz Mr. Reforming Crusader, it would be a real shame if something awful happened to the retirement accounts of millions of voters.”

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:02:13pm

re: #157 Botsplainer

My money is in our privately-owned state-chartered agricultural bank in the next town over (sixty-four people). They even pay interest on our savings account. They don’t issue credit cards or debit cards though.

Geez, MSNBC drops out every thirty seconds, and when I reload I get another commercial.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:03:12pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:04:12pm

A Bernie ‘speech’ is a foreign policy position statement.

Uh…no. Damn Bernie…

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:04:18pm

re: #159 Brian J.

I disagree. I think the only way the Bernie Bros can be stopped is by Hillary and her supporter calling them out. Hints, innuendos, and insinuations need to be exposed to the air.

Yup. By both. I would rather the debate stick to Secretary Clinton’s and Senator Sander’s policies. Fortunately that was a short issue in what is otherwise a good discussion of the issues. (I would note they are occasionally contrasting their positions with those of the GOP as well.)

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:04:36pm

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

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No, that obviously makes too much sense. And to illustrate this, when asked about his foreign policy, Bernie palavers about the War in Iraq again within two sentences.

Bernie, we already DO have a coalition with most of the other major powers. It’s called NATO.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:06:14pm

re: #162 GlutenFreeJesus

Being a citizen informed enough to understand all of those nuances is a lot of work that most people don’t have time for. That’s kind of the point of a Republic: Let people who are good at policy do policy. But it’s failed for two reasons: 1) Lack of a media being a proper check on politicians, and 2) people voting for someone that confirms their fears, not who could do the right job.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:06:23pm

Think about it, won’t you?

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:06:33pm

And once again, Bernie fails to identify the year. It’s always 2002 to him.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:07:16pm

I would trust Hillary in the White House more than Bernie.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:07:42pm

I wonder if Bernie even knows if ISIL is Sunni/Shia…

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:07:44pm

Bernie doesn’t seem to get it when it comes to foreign affairs.

“2002” is not a policy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:07:51pm

This came up in my Facebook feed, and I want to share it with y’all in case you missed it.

A neurologist tells us Why Ted Cruz’s Facial Expression Makes Me Uneasy

I have rarely, if ever, seen a conventional smile from Senator Cruz. In a natural smile the corners of the mouth go up; these muscles we can control voluntarily as well. But muscles circling the eyes are involuntary only; they make the eyes narrow, forming crow’s feet at the outside corners. Even the Mona Lisa’s smile shows this. The eyes give away one’s game and let us tell forged from genuine smiles. Grandma may have told you to put on a happy face, but you can’t if it isn’t heartfelt.

No matter the emotional coloring of Senator Cruz’s outward rhetoric, his mouth typically tightens into the same straight line. If it deviates from this, the corners of his mouth bend down, not upwards. The outside of his eyebrows bend down, too, when he emotes, something so atypical that it disturbs me. Typically a person’s eyebrows arch up, as does the corrugator muscle that furrow the forehead. What is such a downturned face signaling?

Downturned expressions usually signal disagreeableness or disgust. But I honestly don’t know because such an expression is rare in the context of public presentations that are meant to win people over. He may well be unaware that the message of his body language is incongruent with his words.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:12pm

Bernie is bragging, in essence, of being like Trump in this matter.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:23pm

The C&L berniebots in the debate thread sure got quiet when FP came up.

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:28pm

The sanders doctrine of foreign policy seems to be “Don’t for the 2002 invasion of Iraq”. Not sure what else.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:31pm

re: #169 Belafon

Being a citizen informed enough to understand all of those nuances is a lot of work that most people don’t have time for. That’s kind of the point of a Republic: Let people who are good at policy do policy. But it’s failed for two reasons: 1) Lack of a media being a proper check on politicians, and 2) people voting for someone that confirms their fears, not who could do the right job.

Sadly…a democratic republic is directly reflective of it’s citizens and their representatives.

Here we are!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:42pm

Stupidest Tweet of the debate so far==>
Um yeah Ben, they were released within 10 hours. You’d call that a victory if a Republican did that.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:08:42pm

The situation with Iran is complex. Now, can these candidates communicate that nuance? I think Hillary can. I expect to hear “2002” from Bernie again.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:09:43pm

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

Emo Ben loves the inciting image, doesn’t need your troublesome facts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:10:38pm

Baby Whiplash is teh drunkness.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:10:41pm

re: #182 jaunte

Emo Ben loves the inciting image, doesn’t need your troublesome facts.

Bernie actually came up with a different attack for once (Cuba/ adversaries). Still not a good one, though, but at least he has discovered a second chord.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:10:58pm

2002!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:11:37pm

I think we should normalise relations with Iran as well. If we keep using stick and never use carrot, Iran isn’t going to be much interested in talking to us.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:12:16pm

Bernie really doesn’t get foreign policy. Even if he gave a speech at Georgetown. He says the same I voted against Iraq every time.

Oh and Chuck Todd makes me want to barf

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Timothy Watson  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:12:29pm

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

Stupidest Tweet of the debate so far==>
Um yeah Ben, they were released within 10 hours. You’d call that a victory if a Republican did that.

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But it was perfectly acceptable for W. to apologize to China, twice, for an act of war they committed against an United States aircraft.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:12:39pm

Todd desperately needs a different hair style.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:12:56pm

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

About to post a photo of the Beirut bombing on his f’n wall. What a dick.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:13:08pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash is teh drunkness.

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Also the stupidness.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:13:38pm
“…The fundamental source of the disagreement here is that Iran, unlike Cuba, is embedded in an overlapping series of regional conflicts with American allies, including, most importantly, Israel and Saudi Arabia. Completely separately from the nuclear issue, these conflicts manifest themselves in a Saudi-Iranian proxy war in Yemen, in Iranian support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Assad in Syria, and a range of other conflicts.”
vox.com
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:13:52pm

re: #186 Anymouse

I think we should normalise relations with Iran as well. If we keep using stick and never use carrot, Iran isn’t going to be much interested in talking to us.

Hard to do if they continue to support terrorist groups that are maneuvering against friendly governments.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:14:05pm

re: #189 freetoken

Todd desperately needs a different hair style.

…or a job where I never, ever need to see his smug again. Please?

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:14:53pm

re: #193 Brian J.

Bernie really doesn’t get foreign policy. Even if he gave a speech at Georgetown. He says the same I voted against Iraq every time.

Oh and Chuck Todd makes me want to barf

A noun, a verb and 2002.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:14:58pm

re: #189 freetoken

Todd desperately needs a different hair style.

We desperately need better media than Chuck Todd.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:15:41pm

Ash Carter’s claim of Russia being our most important threat smacks of the Cold War. North Korea is plenty worrisome, but I seriously doubt they could do much to us. China is potentially more of a threat to our allies (such as The Philippines) with trying to claim the entire South China Sea.

I am not much of a foreign policy wonk (Mrs. Clinton is better at that) but I would weigh all of those as issues.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:16:01pm

Damn I wish they’d ask them about the Oregon morons and the rightwing terrorist threat in this country.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:16:41pm

re: #198 BeachDem

Damn I wish they’d ask them about the Oregon morons and the rightwing terrorist threat in this country.

And guns.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:17:02pm

re: #190 GlutenFreeJesus

About to post a photo of the Beirut bombing on his f’n wall. What a dick.

I had the pleasure of going to Lebanon aboard USS America (CV-66) after the Beirut bombing. As I recall, President Reagan ran from terrorists.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:17:30pm

I’ve interviewed at the VA, and my father owes his recovery from testicular cancer to the VA (he served in the Vietnam-era Navy). They do tremendous work with limited resources, and the idea that we should leave treatment of our vets entirely to the private sector strikes me as a terrible idea.

And Hillary brings up big money (the Kochs’ advocacy of the privatization plan) first for once.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:17:38pm

They’ll say the same shit on guns that they always do. I want to hear them talk about the threat the militia movement and the Oregon morons pose.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:18:27pm

re: #202 BeachDem

They’ll say the same shit …

Those 5 words are all that is needed for anything Todd and Maddow ask.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:18:41pm

re: #193 Brian J.

Hard to do if they continue to support terrorist groups that are maneuvering against friendly governments.

Like Russia and China? And most of those “friendly” nations are not exactly the kinds of countries we really want to be friends with.

Personally, I consider Iran to be one of the major power countries in the region. If we dealt with them on a more normal basis, it would be far easier to tell them its time to end this. Right now, we have no real pull on convincing them to stop funding those groups.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:18:46pm
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b.d.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:18:54pm

Thanks for your service, here’s a coupon for health care. Good luck!

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:19:11pm

re: #102 freetoken

Dear Chuck - I don’t care about how little time you had to prepare. You are not why this thing exists.

Chuck Todd, their “numbers guy” is not smart in the least. He’s an embarrassment to the news profession.

But, these days, most of them are, as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:19:28pm

Koch brothers!

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:19:54pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:20:03pm

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

Koch brothers!

trigger words

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:20:31pm

re: #106 freetoken

Trump doesn’t take PAC money.

He doesn’t have to. The “news” people cover him 24/7. Why pay for it when they shove it at you for free?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:20:49pm

Ouch!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:20:53pm

There is a reason the VFW gave Senator Sanders its Congressional Award. (Disclosure: I am a member of the VFW and the DAV.)

Senator Sanders is correct: the GOP is good at the flag-waving part, not so much on the support veterans part.

As for privatising the VA, the GOP can take a flying leap. The VA’s specialised medical system deals with many unique problems we veterans face. Moreover, Business Week magazine a couple years ago rated the VA as the best available medical system in the USA (public or private). Government working as it should goes against the GOP narrative (so apply the Shock Doctrine to us).

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:21:00pm

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

Koch brothers!

They were the question to one of the Jeopardy answers yesterday.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:21:01pm

re: #200 Anymouse

Reaganomics!

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:21:13pm

re: #204 Belafon

Like Russia and China? And most of those “friendly” nations are not exactly the kinds of countries we really want to be friends with.

Personally, I consider Iran to be one of the major power countries in the region. If we dealt with them on a more normal basis, it would be far easier to tell them its time to end this. Right now, we have no real pull on convincing them to stop funding those groups.

I honestly don’t know if having an ambassador in Tehran would make a great deal of difference in dealing with Iran compared to the current post-Iran-deal situation, where we’ve already demonstrated that we having working communication channels. More to the point, what would the Iraqi government (just for instance) say if we apparently reward a government trying to overthrow them?

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:21:41pm

re: #213 Anymouse

The current GOP position is to “privatize” everything put in place since Hoover.

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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:21:56pm

I’d like to hear questions about immigration and/or abortion rights.

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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:22:55pm

I think Bernie just got schooled by Hillary re:foreign policy. I actually felt bad for him.

And Chuck asking for transcripts of her speeches? Go fuck yourself, Chuck. What a asinine request.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:23:28pm

re: #219 Jenner7

And Chuck asking for transcripts of her speeches? Go fuck yourself, Chuck. What a asinine request.

Again, that’s what Hillary should have said, profanity included.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:23:31pm
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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:24:29pm

re: #216 Brian J.

I honestly don’t know if having an ambassador in Tehran would make a great deal of difference in dealing with Iran compared to the current post-Iran-deal situation, where we’ve already demonstrated that we having working communication channels. More to the point, what would the Iraqi government (just for instance) say if we apparently reward a government trying to overthrow them?

What are they going to say? We’ll leave you if you become friends with that girl?

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:24:49pm
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:24:51pm

Counting superdelegates, you’ve got about 30 delegates, Bernie. Hillary’s got about 380.

COINFLIPS! DRINK!

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:24:54pm

Oh good questions about the damn caucus.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:25:06pm

Yes Chuck, everyone(nobody) gives a shit about the Iowa caucus. Sheesh

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:25:24pm

Electability: Wasn’t this question brought up in 2008 against (then) Senator Obama? (Let’s not blow this out of proportion quip was funny)

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:26:48pm

polls!! drink

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:27:29pm

re: #228 BeachDem

polls!! drink

Need moar cheap whiskey and Kool-Aid (my preferred drink tonight)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:27:34pm

Speaking of Daesh, the latest suspects of wanting of join that group have come up with a novel defense.

Five Twin Cities men accused of plotting to go to fight alongside ISIL in Syria are asking a federal judge to drop murder conspiracy charges on grounds that they have “combatant immunity” under both common and international law.

They say combatants are immune from criminal prosecutions for acts of war, including murder, against military targets.

Quite frankly, I wish we wouldn’t blow our resources arresting these idiots-I’d say if they came over as refugees and obtained US citizenship and they left the US to fight, and we find them later on the battlefield, they lose their citizenship.

231
Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:27:35pm

I know I’m running super late, but Clinton’s Wellstone name-drop was a vicious uppercut, and 100% exactly correct.

The midwest, at least, sure remembers him.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:27:41pm

Democrats win when there is a large turnout. You brought out an Iowa caucus turnout 30% lower than in 2008, and lower than GOP turnout for the first time ever. And yes, you lost. Your only field test is not encouraging, Bernie.

233
BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:28:24pm

Yes Bernie. And along with the house and the senate, everyone will get a pony. NO—a unicorn

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:29:12pm
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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:29:16pm

re: #229 Anymouse

Need moar cheap whiskey and Kool-Aid (my preferred drink tonight)

Well, I got friends in low places, so…

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:30:03pm

re: #233 BeachDem

Yes Bernie. And along with the house and the senate, everyone will get a pony. NO—a unicorn

The only good news if Sanders is on my ballot is that our state offices were run last year. Democrats have one House seat that would be hard to lose and an open Senate seat where our chances are slim, and Slim would leave town with an ethnically Jewish socialist maybe-atheist on top of the ballot.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:30:09pm

I had not heard this before: Sanders voted twice to deregulate derivatives. From what I read about it being brought up is a commercial break occurred before Sanders responded. I would be interested in knowing why.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:30:17pm

re: #231 Testy Toad T

I know I’m running super late, but Clinton’s Wellstone name-drop was a vicious uppercut, and 100% exactly correct.

The midwest, at least, sure remembers him.

I missed it-what did she say? (I loved Wellstone)

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:31:06pm

re: #230 Eric The Fruit Bat

Speaking of Daesh, the latest suspects of wanting of join that group have come up with a novel defense.

Quite frankly, I wish we wouldn’t blow our resources arresting these idiots-I’d say if they came over as refugees and obtained US citizenship and they left the US to fight, and we find them later on the battlefield, they lose their citizenship.

What are these guys sovereign citizens now? Common law? The only international law I am aware of that covers combatants is the Geneva Convention and we sure aren’t going to treat them as POWs of a national fighting force.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:31:25pm

Todd can go Chuck himself raising the email issue which will be an issue because he keeps yammering about the email issue which is an issue because…?

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:31:36pm

re: #238 BeachDem

I missed it-what did she say? (I loved Wellstone)

Stealing from 538’s coverage:

Hillary Clinton hit a chord among liberals with a memory earlier this evening by invoking the name of Paul Wellstone, the 1990s senator from Minnesota who died in a plane crash in 2002. She pointed out that Wellstone voted for the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, a bill that allowed states to refuse to recognize the same-sex marriages allowed by other states. (Its key section was struck down by the Supreme Court in 2013.) That one act, Clinton suggested, didn’t disqualify Wellstone from his membership in the progressive pantheon. In fact, Wellstone deeply regretted his vote on DOMA, as two of his sons have noted on their blog. “What troubles me,” Wellstone wrote in 2001, “is that I may not have cast the right vote on DOMA. When Sheila and I attended a Minnesota memorial service for Matthew Shepard, I thought to myself, ‘Have I taken a position that contributed to a climate of hatred?’” His sons wrote that they believe he would have proud of the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down the law.

Work takes me to St. Paul roughly monthly, and you’ll see several [Wellstone!] bumper stickers every day, nearly 15 years after he died.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:31:43pm

Arianna would be only too happy to lend them one of hers.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:31:55pm

Tweeps agree Bernie is disappointing on FP…

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:33:04pm

Okay Chuck, enough about the E-mails.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:33:29pm

Chuck I’m 100% confident that you are a wingnut.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:33:34pm

re: #236 Brian J.

The only good news if Sanders is on my ballot is that our state offices were run last year. Democrats have one House seat that would be hard to lose and an open Senate seat where our chances are slim, and Slim would leave town with an ethnically Jewish socialist maybe-atheist on top of the ballot.

My state—no Dem state office holders. 1 Dem Rep (Clyburn) and that’s it. Wouldn’t matter who was running on the Dem side—not gonna change. Once our “first in the South” primary is over, we won’t see another national Democrat visit here until 2020

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:33:40pm
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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:33:54pm

Good on Bernie for not touching the email issue.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:34:09pm

re: #247 jaunte

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Eau my!

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thecommodore  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:34:16pm
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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:34:31pm

re: #244 Anymouse

Okay Chuck, enough about the E-mails.

Honestly, someone needs to ask him to explain why anyone should care, and see if any coherent story results.

Maddow points out the BernieBros.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:34:44pm

re: #246 BeachDem

My state will be lucky to see either of them for our primary (Nebraska).

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Zamb  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:34:50pm

Well so much for our debates being issue oriented

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:35:59pm

re: #253 Zamb

Well so much for our debates being issue oriented

Todd really likes carrying water for the GOP attack PACs.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:36:05pm

Bernie has no idea why an ad called “Endorsement” would be interpreted as offering an endorsement. SMH, as they say on the intertubes.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:36:08pm

My selfish reason for wanting Castro as a VP is that he’ll come to Texas during the general election and, not so selfishly, it’ll force Republicans to spend money here.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:01pm

Hillary gets all the points for not taking the bait on that one!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:18pm

What a hack.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:20pm

re: #254 freetoken

Chuck Todd doesn’t want to talk about women’s healthcare issues, or clean water, or global warming, etc….

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:40pm

re: #259 jaunte

Chuck Todd doesn’t want to talk about women’s healthcare issues, or clean water, or global warming, etc….

Be nice if Maddow did, but oh well.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:42pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:44pm

re: #259 jaunte

Chuck Todd doesn’t want to talk about women’s healthcare issues, or clean water, or global warming, etc….

Chuck knows who butters his bread.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:37:55pm
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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:38:44pm
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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:38:59pm

re: #241 Testy Toad T

Stealing from 538’s coverage:

Work takes me to St. Paul roughly monthly, and you’ll see several [Wellstone!] bumper stickers every day, nearly 15 years after he died.

Thanks—perfect example for her to use. Wellstone is definitely a progressive icon.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:39:05pm

Speaking of unaddressed topics

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:39:59pm

re: #264 Jenner7

Well, tomorrow we’ll hear quite a bit about those issues… from that other debate.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:40:02pm

re: #239 Anymouse

Given Da’esh’s methods, these guys wouldn’t have lasted long in the battlefield.

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:41:07pm

Because I know you all are sad that your blood pressure isn’t high:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:41:22pm

re: #237 Belafon

Because he voted against the Iraq war in 2002. Duh.

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jaunte  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:42:05pm

re: #269 Belafon

Bob’s mommy yelled at him.
A lot.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:42:14pm

re: #252 Anymouse

My state will be lucky to see either of them for our primary (Nebraska).

But you probably didn’t have Cruz and Trump and Santorum etc clogging your streets for the past year like we did. Not sure if the tradeoff is worth it!

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:42:15pm

Wow, my very red state of Nebraska repealed capital punishment. Not happy that Secretary Clinton thinks killing is an appropriate response for killing.

(As for McVeigh, by killing him we no longer have him alive to learn anything more about what he knew was going on in the so-called militia movement.)

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:42:36pm

re: #269 Belafon

Because I know you all are sad that your blood pressure isn’t high:

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Yep, that’ll do it.

Again, death penalty under discussion. I agree with Hillary in that it has a limited place when we place proper safeguards on the defense system, but I recognize there are good arguments each way, and they are being presented here.

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Tigger2  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:44:11pm

re: #269 Belafon

Because I know you all are sad that your blood pressure isn’t high:

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:44:59pm

Flint Water Crisis. Of course the Feds need to override the “rights” of the state! One hundred thousand American citizens don’t have access to potable water! There’s been no comparable situation since Katrina, and Federal intervention there was a no brainer.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:45:02pm

re: #269 Belafon

Because I know you all are sad that your blood pressure isn’t high:

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Who is Bob Cusack?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:45:23pm

Rick Snyder and Darnell Easley need to be in court, not government.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:45:32pm
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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:46:13pm

re: #277 BeachDem

Who is Bob Cusack?

According to his profile, he’s editor in chief at the Hill.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:46:26pm
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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:46:57pm

re: #280 Belafon

According to his profile, he’s editor in chief at the Hill.

Not an objective journalist outlet.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:47:36pm

Trade. Chuck’s being an ass for implying that when the facts change, Hillary is not entitled to change her views.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:47:42pm

re: #280 Belafon

According to his profile, he’s editor in chief at the Hill.

Well then, that figures. What, I wonder, does he thinks happens when Bernie gets shouty (which is 90% of the time)

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Jenner7  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:48:59pm
286
Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:49:13pm

re: #280 Belafon

According to his profile, he’s editor in chief at the Hill.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:49:57pm

China is not part of the TPP

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:50:03pm

Why is Chuck Todd carrying water for Donald Trump?

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:50:30pm

re: #287 Anymouse

China is not part of the TPP

“Forget it, he’s on a roll.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:50:39pm

re: #262 freetoken

Chuck knows who butters his bread.

Comcast.

A whole lot of change at NBC/Universal since then.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:50:49pm

re: #288 freetoken

Why is Chuck Todd carrying water for Donald Trump?

Is that a rhetorical question?

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:51:12pm

re: #288 freetoken

Why is Chuck Todd carrying water for Donald Trump?

Someone needs to see if he is going to put his “Make America Great Again” hat on when he leaves the hall… .

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Belafon  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:51:14pm

re: #287 Anymouse

China is not part of the TPP

China was the point of the TPP.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:51:27pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

Comcast.

A whole lot of change at NBC/Universal since then.

So he has the butter go offline at random intervals and needs to constantly upgrade his knives?

295
freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:52:02pm

Dear Bernie: Americans do compete against Vietnamese who are working for $.56/hr, and do Japanese and Chinese and everyone else in the world who work for more than $.56/hr.

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The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:52:47pm

re: #280 Belafon

According to his profile, he’s editor in chief at the Hill.

I thought he might be a ‘90’s goofy romantic comedy actor who transformed into a cable news sportsball announcer while striding into the action hero genre on the whim.

But damn, what do I know.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:53:40pm

re: #288 freetoken

Why is Chuck Todd carrying water for Donald Trump?

Because Trump doesn’t drink alcohol.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:54:29pm

re: #296 The alpuzzzzz from Wisconsin

I thought he might be a ‘90’s goofy romantic comedy actor who transformed into a cable news sportsball announcer while striding into the action hero genre on the whim.

But damn, what do I know.

He kinda looks like Chuck Woolery, so my guess was right wing game show host.

All I can say is you should all be glad you’re not being subjected to the ads we’re getting during this in South Carolina. Ugh

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:54:44pm
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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:55:57pm

re: #255 Brian J.

Bernie has no idea why an ad called “Endorsement” would be interpreted as offering an endorsement. SMH, as they say on the intertubes.

SMFH, even.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:56:33pm

Hey, Hillary pushes back against Todd’s posturing.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:57:18pm

re: #299 ausador

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Oh, that was actually good.

Hillary’s asked to narrow her three big lifts down to one. She gets some good applause mentioning issues like green energy and small business that got ignored during the debate, as usual. The idea may be to simply overwhelm the opposition.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:58:03pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:58:08pm

My twitter TL is a shitshow of Bernie vs. Hillary

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:58:08pm

And Bernie’s supporters wanted more debates???

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:58:37pm

History shows no such thing, Mr. Todd (the first thing you work on you have the best shot with).

History shows that what you work on the most has the best shot.

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:59:07pm

So, Bernie has one litmus test for the USSC.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:59:40pm

Has Bernie ever specified how he’s going to effect campaign finance reform?

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 7:59:43pm

Bernie, it’s been said before but it’s still true: 100% of campaign finance laws are voted on by incumbents. On the other hand, he’s actually made a good point by nominating SC justices who oppose Citizens United. I wonder if he knows that the target of that case is standing next to him.

Mitch won his Senate race in 2014 by 15 percent, Bernie, and doesn’t run again until 2020. When he stands outside his window, he sees people giving him thumbs up. You’ll have no leverage over him.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:01:23pm

Uh oh. Bernie didn’t like Hillary saying “grassroots.”

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:01:42pm

Still no mention of women’s rights… . Invoking Henry Kissinger? My father died in Cambodia when I was seven thanks to his policies. I do not view an endorsement from Henry Kissinger as a motivation.

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:02:11pm

FUCK YOU, CHUCK TODD.

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Brian J.  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:02:20pm

re: #310 BeachDem

Uh oh. Bernie didn’t like Hillary saying “grassroots.”

I honestly don’t understand why people say Hillary’s laugh is a cackle. Sounds fine to me.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:03:01pm

re: #313 Brian J.

I honestly don’t understand why people say Hillary’s laugh is a cackle. Sounds fine to me.

Because they’re ancient sexist toads.

I mean, I get where you’re coming from but this isn’t hard.

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Anymouse  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:03:39pm

GOP dig from Senator Sanders… .

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freetoken  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:04:17pm

Why is Chuck Todd even there?

MSNBC is where this is being aired. Why isn’t Maddow sufficient?

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WhatEVs  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:04:18pm

re: #314 Testy Toad T

Because they’re ancient sexist toads.

And this guy, Testy Toad, would know! BOOM!

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:04:37pm

re: #313 Brian J.

I honestly don’t understand why people say Hillary’s laugh is a cackle. Sounds fine to me.

Me too. And in her close, Hillary brings up all the issues that Chuck was too busy talking about emails and speeches and tv spots and other idiocy to address.

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ausador  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:05:10pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:05:21pm

re: #303 ausador

///

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BeachDem  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:06:01pm

re: #316 freetoken

Why is Chuck Todd even there?

MSNBC is where this is being aired. Why isn’t Maddow sufficient?

Because Chuck has to have some compromising photos of somebody—can’t think of any other explanation for his rise.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:07:25pm

re: #317 WhatEVs

And this guy, Testy Toad, would know! BOOM!

Two drums and a cymbal just fell off a cliff.

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:08:22pm

Stand up you millions, and say loudly we are not going to take it anymore, we want revolutionary change…

And the Republicans in their tight little controlled districts sing…
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo dooooooooo….

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ObserverArt  Feb 4, 2016 • 8:09:41pm

re: #316 freetoken

Why is Chuck Todd even there?

MSNBC is where this is being aired. Why isn’t Maddow sufficient?

Believe it or not, I think Chuck Heads up Politics for NBC.

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Swift2991  Feb 5, 2016 • 4:08:48pm

The best line of the night— and Hillary had many, was how Paul Wellstone voted for DOMA, so he couldn’t be a progressive. The old tricks of the left. No bourgeois party they!


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