No, Hillary Clinton Did Not Say Bernie Sanders Wasn’t Qualified to Be President

This is silly
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The Washington Post headline made a bold statement: Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president.

We’ll come back to that in a bit, but last night Bernie Sanders responded to the headline by attacking Clinton for her vote to authorize the Iraq War and saying she was not qualified to be President.

These schoolyard “I know you are, but what am I” arguments are bad enough coming from a 12-year old, but in a presidential campaign they’re embarrassing on a national level.

But let’s go back to the Washington Post article that launched this pissing match. Is it true that Clinton questioned Sanders’ qualifications to be president? Go ahead and read it. What you’ll find is…. not a single quote from Clinton in which she actually said this.

She criticized him for seeming unprepared to discuss his policy issues in that now-famous New York Daily News interview (which he clearly was), and questioned his commitment to the Democratic Party — another fair criticism considering Sanders has always run as an independent until this election.

The article is based on a Clinton appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” in which she explicitly declined to say Sanders was not qualified, not once but three times. Scarborough actually admitted he was trying to goad her into saying that, and couldn’t.

I tried to get Hillary Clinton four times — three or four times to say that Bernie Sanders was unqualified to be president of the United States and just like my interview with Rick Santorum, you know, I start asking a question, I keep going until I get an answer or give up. And after three or four attempts with Secretary Clinton I gave up because she was not going to say the words “He is unqualified to be president of the United States.”

She simply never said she questioned his qualifications to be president. The WaPo headline is exactly opposite to the reality.

So in my view, there are two apologies needed today: one from the Washington Post for ginning up this controversy with a highly misleading headline, and one from Sanders for reacting to the headline apparently without bothering to actually read the article.

But it doesn’t look like either of them intend to do that.

Sanders explained at a press conference in Philadelphia that he was responding to attacks from the Clinton campaign, which he says has been trying to “disqualify” him. 

“That was what was thrown at me,” he said, noting Clinton’s strategy has been described as “disqualify him, defeat him and then unify the party later.”

We all knew the Democratic campaign was going to get ugly. But it’s still depressing to see it happening.

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352 comments
1
mr.fusion  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:08:16am

I’m more concerned with how big their hands are

2
Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:08:48am

But she said it without saying it…and….and, well….SHE STARTED IT!

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mmmirele  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:11:04am

Crud. Deadthreaded.

The Chicago Tribune has a bombshell of a story about Dennis Hastert and alleged sexual abuse of some high school students when he was a coach. Too much detail to go into here, but I will point out that a person identified as Individual D in the Tribune’s story may show up at Hastert’s sentencing to talk about what Hastert did to him.

Hastert’s attorneys, at least preliminarily, said they didn’t plan to contest any facts alleged by Individual D, according to the transcript.

With the sentencing hearing looming, a source said Hastert called one of Individual D’s relatives, hoping to get a letter to show Hastert had done good things with his life; that letter could help persuade Durkin to give Hastert a more lenient sentence.

Individual D then made a call of his own. He told federal authorities he would prepare a statement to be used in court detailing what Hastert did to him.

chicagotribune.com

This is disgusting and makes me want to throw up.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:12:49am

And now we have Berniebots spewing wingnut bullshit talking points==>

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:14:50am

When I barely knew a thing about Sanders, he seemed a bit naive but like he was trying to do the right thing.

As time has past, and I’ve learned more about him, I realize he’s a crotchety old man who is upset at the world, with no real plan to do anything about other than lecture and pontificate to other people that something needs to be done, while cutting down the people who could actually get things done.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:15:47am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

I would say that’s not a BernieBot. That’s a straight up Republican.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:15:54am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:15:59am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

And now we have Berniebots spewing wingnut bullshit talking points==>

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If you look at that moron’s timeline, I seriously doubt he’s a Sanders supporter. Just another wingnut trying to spread chaos.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:16:08am

I’m so pissed off over this ridiculous bullshit.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:16:51am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

All it took me was being born.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:17:02am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such bull.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:18:15am

jeebus, this is desperation:

At least she had a Metro card and not a subway token like Bernie said he used.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:20:07am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, this is desperation:

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At least she had a Metro card and not a subway token like Bernie said he used.

Hey, at least it wasn’t one of those confounding circular road things in NJ.
XD

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:20:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:21:38am

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) blamed the media at a press conference on Thursday morning for instigating and perpetuating the disagreement between himself and rival Hillary Clinton about their respective qualifications for the highest political office in America.

“So when, you have headlines in the Washington Post, ‘Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president,’ my response is well, you know, if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this,” Sanders said. “That maybe the American people might wonder about your qualifications, Madam Secretary, when you voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of America.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:22:45am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, this is desperation:

At least she had a Metro card and not a subway token like Bernie said he used.

Lame media is being lame.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:24:06am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

SHOCKING New Video: Out-Of-Touch @HillaryClinton Struggles To Use A NYC Subway Card #NYPrimaryhttps://t.co
— America Rising PAC

Lame Koch-wingnut PAC being really super lame.

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:24:51am

Tastes great!

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:25:38am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

And that’s fine Bernie. But a lot of us have looked at it, decided she messed up with her vote, has learned from it, apologized for it, did a good job as SoS, and we’re OK with her now. What else do you have?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:25:42am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good grief. That is so incredibly dumb. She had a problem getting it to read her card for about 10 seconds, then went through. I just can’t believe how stupid these attacks on Clinton are getting.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:25:47am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

And now we have Berniebots spewing wingnut bullshit talking points==>

Slavery KKK was Democrat Party! Busted Libtard!!!!1

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Kent Dorfman  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:26:39am

Marco!

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:27:36am

KingKenrod, that link downstairs was the one I was looking for. Thanks!!

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:27:55am

Hmm…

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:27:57am

re: #13 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Hey, at least it wasn’t one of those confounding circular road things in NJ.
XD

Jughandles.

They will be destroyed during the Revolution.

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S'latch  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:39:36am

This controversy pales in comparison to almost everything the Republican candidates are doing and saying. And, to me it seems minor even without a comparison to any other campaign. But, Bernie Sanders does deserve to be criticized for not being accurate and for needlessly attacking Clinton.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:41:25am

This whole election cycle is fucking terrible. The candidates are awful, the media is awful, partisan hacks on Twitter are awful.

And THIS is supposed to be an exceptional nation?

This campaign is a fucking disgrace to democracy.

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Archangelus  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:42:02am

And just in time for Passover:

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withak  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:43:20am

re: #28 Archangelus

Just in time for Passover:

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What would make vodka not-kosher?

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S'latch  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:43:28am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump would not even consider using a subway. If he did, and his card failed, he would definitely sue the subway and win. Not that his card would fail, because it would absolutely work, that’s guaranteed. And if he did ride the subway, it would be the best subway in the world, a world-class subway.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:44:36am

re: #29 withak

What would make vodka not-kosher?

Passover has very specific requirements which Trump Vodka did not meet, but claimed that it did.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:45:10am

“…So what makes a spirit kosher, anyway? Basically, the alcohol must be made from grain or sugar. It can’t be produced from grapes and can’t be aged in a nonkosher wine barrel. (There are separate rules for making kosher wine and grape-based brandy.) That means Scotch—or anything else, for that matter—that has been aged or finished in a sherry, port or wine cask generally is not allowed. And any other ingredients used (and the distillery itself) also have to pass muster.”
liquor.com

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Le Lapin Tueur  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:46:04am

re: #26 S’latch

This controversy pales in comparison to almost everything the Republican candidates are doing and saying. And, to me it seems minor even without a comparison to any other campaign. But, Bernie Sanders does deserve to be criticized for not being accurate and for needlessly attacking Clinton.

Like tRump’s Roger Stone promising to:

Former Donald Trump campaign advisor Roger Stone has threatened to make public the hotel room numbers of delegates if they try to “steal” the election at this year’s GOP convention

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:46:23am

re: #29 withak

What would make vodka not-kosher?

Image: S0825-2.jpg

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S'latch  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:47:02am

re: #29 withak

It would have to be pure potato vodka, or something like that. No “Chametz” which is any food product made from wheat, barley, rye, oats, spelt, or their derivatives, which has leavened. And you can’t be too careful. Don’t trust nobody with Chametz.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:47:42am

Check out this quote from Joe Scarborough. He actually admits he was trying to goad Clinton into saying Sanders isn’t qualified.

I tried to get Hillary Clinton four times — three or four times to say that Bernie Sanders was unqualified to be president of the United States and just like my interview with Rick Santorum, I start asking a question, I keep going being I get an answer or give up and after three or four attempts with Secretary Clinton I gave up because she was not going to say the words he is unqualified to be president of the United States.

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S'latch  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:48:16am

re: #33 Le Lapin Tueur

Yep. Stuff like that. Makes me proud to have at least one political party that I can trust not to do stuff like that.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:48:33am

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

This whole election cycle is fucking terrible. The candidates are awful, the media is awful, partisan hacks on Twitter are awful.

And THIS is supposed to be an exceptional nation?

This campaign is a fucking disgrace to democracy.

The Democrats are quite tame by historical standards: cnn.com.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:48:57am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Could that be because she is careful and smart with her responses? Jeeze, these people are idiots.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:49:04am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:50:30am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Check out this quote from Joe Scarborough. He actually admits he was trying to goad Clinton into saying Sanders wasn’t qualified.

And Weaver is now trying to spin that by insisting that Hillary refused to answer Joe’s question if Bernie is qualified (which was totally not the question).

good grief.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:50:36am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:50:49am
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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:51:20am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jeez, Bernie really has morphed into Trump completely now.

Scapegoat? Check
Knows little? Check
Trope-tastic? Check
Belligerent? Check

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:51:57am

re: #40 MsJ

What an amazingly tone-deaf complaint. I enjoy life in a city with better public transit than at least 80% of Americans, and I am petrified that I’ll fuck up and clog the line when I go to a new place with a different system I’ve never ridden.

Who’s the target audience here?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:52:00am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Check out this quote from Joe Scarborough. He actually admits he was trying to goad Clinton into saying Sanders isn’t qualified.

Big thumbs up for Joe Scar, enlightening the American citizenry and improving our discourse.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:52:13am

If you missed it, be sure to read CL’s excellent comment on the Declaration of Independence downstairs. She nailed it.

(Right down the part where Charles apparently put up the new thread, timing-wise.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:52:51am

re: #44 MsJ

Jeez, Bernie really has morphed into Trump completely now.

Scapegoat? Check
Knows little? Check
Trope-tastic? Check
Belligerent? Check

I’ll sue! Check

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:53:23am

You know why we can’t have a serious disucussion about the issues facing this country?

Because that shit doesn’t get ratings.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:53:27am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Good grief. That is so incredibly dumb. She had a problem getting it to read her card for about 10 seconds, then went through. I just can’t believe how stupid these attacks on Clinton are getting.

It’s like a metaphor for the entire campaign or something. It took a little longer, looks awkward and the machine is fucking with her but in the end she’s getting through.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:53:48am

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, this is desperation:

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At least she had a Metro card and not a subway token like Bernie said he used.

THIS. They’ve either never had to use one of those card readers or they’re counting on most of America never having used one of them. This is too stupid. Seriously. I’ve gotten stuck like that more times than I can count, FFS. Literally millions of people use the NYC subway system every. single. day.

2014

Average Weekday: 5,597,551
Average Saturday: 3,233,114
Average Sunday: 2,662,791
Average Weekend: 5,985,905
Annual Total: 1,751,287,621

Source: web.mta.info

Yeah, that last number is approaching 2 BILLION riders annually. That’s nearly 25% of the population of the entire frickin’ planet, FFS. Card readers get worn out.

And ridership records were broken in 2015. From an article in December:

NEW YORK — On Thursday, Oct. 29 of this year, a record-breaking number of customers swiped their MetroCards and took a ride on the New York City Subway.

6,217,621 to be exact.

The MTA released preliminary numbers in advance of the December board meeting. Statistics show the system carried 50,000 more customers that day than the previous peak in October 2014. About 80,000 more customers rode the subway on an average October 2015 weekday than in 2014.

pix11.com

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:54:36am

re: #45 Testy Toad T

What an amazingly tone-deaf complaint. I enjoy life in a city with better public transit than at least 80% of Americans, and I am petrified that I’ll fuck up and clog the line when I go to a new place with a different system I’ve never ridden.

Who’s the target audience here?

Teh Angries. People who hate everything and everyone.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:55:43am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll sue! Check

Oh yeah…I forgot about that. Check check! Thanks!

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:55:56am

re: #47 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If you missed it, be sure to read CL’s excellent comment on the Declaration of Independence downstairs. She nailed it.

(Right down the part where Charles apparently put up the new thread, timing-wise.)

LOL

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:56:04am

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Here in the Bay Area, they’ve gone to an RFID card that works on all the public transit (Caltrain, VTA, BART, the ferries, MUNI, etc.) and can do auto-load.

Our public transportation bills went up a lot after we got those.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:56:07am

I promised I wouldn’t get excited by Star Wars again, and then I get this

ROGUE ONE: A STAR WARS STORY Official Teaser Trailer

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:57:27am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

The rules sure are different than when she ran against Obama.
“One speech Senator” was the phrase she used iirc. Kinda makes it hard to take this kerfuffle seriously. It’s a dustmote on the road to the WH. Her qualifications are best described as “middling’. Far from inadequate but nothing like a long standing legislator or governor.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:57:27am

Heard today that Rush Limbaugh is still calling Hillary “Hitlery.”

For my part, I promise to stop calling Rush an asshole. It is degrading to the human anatomy since, unlike Limbaugh, the anal orifice actually serves a necessary purpose.

In fact, Rush probably doesn’t have one at all, since he is full of shit all the time.

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Whack-A-Mole  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:57:36am

re: #56 Kragar

Star Wars actioner directed by the guy who brought us The Raid?

Yes, please! Take my money!

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Le Lapin Tueur  Apr 7, 2016 • 10:58:29am

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Here in the Bay Area, they’ve gone to an RFID card that works on all the public transit (Caltrain, VTA, BART, the ferries, MUNI, etc.) and can do auto-load.

Our public transportation bills went up a lot after we got those.

That’s what the DC Metro uses. When it runs.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:00:52am

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Lucky! People who’ve never been to NYC (or other large urban areas with huge public transportation systems) have no idea about the logistics involved in safely moving all those people around every day. The numbers are staggering.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:01:25am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel

Heard today that Rush Limbaugh is still calling Hillary “Hitlery.”

For my part, I promise to stop calling Rush an asshole. It is degrading to the human anatomy since, unlike Limbaugh, the anal orifice actually serves a necessary purpose.

In fact, Rush probably doesn’t have one at all, since he is full of shit all the time.

Stay classy, Rusty.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:03:19am

re: #60 Le Lapin Tueur

That’s what the DC Metro uses. When it runs.

Tokyo uses it too. Most of Japan does, actually.

For trains done right, Japan pretty much beats everyone.

(Also the most crowded train I have ever been on was a Friday night Yamanote-sen. Couldn’t reach any of the handholds but it didn’t make any difference. No way I could possibly lose my balance.)

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Archangelus  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:03:50am

re: #56 Kragar

I promised I wouldn’t get excited by Star Wars again, and then I get this

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So did I after leaving the cinema having watched Episode 3: Revenge of the Lucas…
But in this case? Who am I kidding, they had me at AT-ATs!!! :D

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:04:38am

If anything, fighting a frustrating transit machine is a chuckle-worthy humanizing moment for Clinton, something she could if anything use more of. Everybody can identify with that.

If Sanders’ advisors think it’s anything like when HW Bush experienced wonderment when he encountered his first UPC reader, they’re dumber than I thought.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:06:51am

My friend Larry has a good stock of Eisenhower memes, for which I supply an eager audience:

Like Trump, Cruz never served. Among those who did, interestingly enough, were Ralph Nader and George McGovern, the latter heroically so.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:07:03am

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Lucky! People who’ve never been to NYC (or other large urban areas with huge public transportation systems) have no idea about the logistics involved in safely moving all those people around every day. The numbers are staggering.

NYC constantly fucked with my low grade claustrophobia when I was there. I kept hoping I’d be able to turn a corner or two and wouldn’t be surrounded by a swarming mass of people. Hated that.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:07:15am

re: #57 Great White Snark

I’m not exactly sure what combination of qualifications make a good president: en.wikipedia.org.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:07:55am

re: #65 Testy Toad T

If anything, fighting a frustrating transit machine is a chuckle-worthy humanizing moment for Clinton, something she could if anything use more of. Everybody can identify with that.

If Sanders’ advisors think it’s anything like when HW Bush experienced wonderment when he encountered his first UPC reader, they’re dumber than I thought.

It still happens to me and I go to NYC a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:09:33am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

My friend Larry has a good stock of Eisenhower memes, for which I supply an eager audience:

Embedded Image

Like Trump, Cruz never served. Among those who did, interestingly enough, were Ralph Nader and George McGovern, the latter heroically so.

I’m a dumkopf- had no idea Nader was a vet.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:09:42am

re: #26 S’latch

This controversy pales in comparison to almost everything the Republican candidates are doing and saying. And, to me it seems minor even without a comparison to any other campaign. But, Bernie Sanders does deserve to be criticized for not being accurate and for needlessly attacking Clinton.

Also for being kinda petulant and whiny:

“It is not the type of politics that I want to get in, but let me also be very clear. If Secretary Clinton thinks that I just come from the small state of Vermont, we are not used to this, we will get used to it fast.”

Yeah—we hear you loud and clear, Bernie, “Wahh, she’s being mean to me and she started it and I was just sitting here minding my own business and…”

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:10:01am

re: #64 Archangelus

So did I after leaving the cinema having watched Episode 3: Revenge of the Lucas…
But in this case? Who am I kidding, they had me at AT-ATs!!! :D

“HE’S BEATING STORMTROOPERS WITH A STICK!”

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:10:39am

Its a good day to be a geek:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:10:56am

re: #68 Belafon

I’m not exactly sure what combination of qualifications make a good president: en.wikipedia.org.

I really think it’s about the person. Certainly one term Lincoln would not have impressed in 1860. I do think those who lack a lot of experience should try to get as many capable advisers as they can. Same with those who are heavily qualified though i.e. Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:11:41am

re: #71 BeachDem

Also for being kinda petulant and whiny:

“It is not the type of politics that I want to get in, but let me also be very clear. If Secretary Clinton thinks that I just come from the small state of Vermont, we are not used to this, we will get used to it fast.”

Yeah—we hear you loud and clear, Bernie, “Wahh, she’s being mean to me and she started it and I was just sitting here minding my own business and…”

Oh please Bernie, don’t act like she’s the only one who has been negative. Please don’t insult our collective intelligence here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:12:33am

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fuck that guy.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:14:11am

re: #76 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck that guy.

He is more odious and incompetent than Mark Penn, which is something of an achievement if you ask me.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:14:34am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I don’t think Nader is a veteran but you’re right about McGovern.

Nader served in the peacetime army in the 1950s.

One of his favorite stories involved his purchase of six dozen pair of GI socks at the PX just before his discharge. He claimed he was still drawing on that stash in the 80s and had bought no other socks in the meantime.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:14:47am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:15:03am

re: #77 Testy Toad T

He is more odious and incompetent than Mark Penn, which is something of an achievement if you ask me.

Yep I’d say Penn played a big part in why Clinton didn’t get the nom last time.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:15:51am

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

Nader served in the peacetime army in the 1950s.

One of his favorite stories involved his purchase of six dozen pair of GI socks at the PX just before his discharge. He claimed he was still drawing on that stash in the 80s and had bought no other socks in the meantime.

Oh I feel stupid now. Sorry about that. Apologies to him then.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:16:36am

re: #68 Belafon

I’m not exactly sure what combination of qualifications make a good president: en.wikipedia.org.

Neither is anyone else, which makes thus even funnier. the dynamics of what is best for president looking forward is different than looking back. Then of course we have the only semi related dynamic of an elections particulars-What one can say or claim about these qualifications. Other than age and “natural born citizen” there are no qualifications universally agreed on anyway.

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Snarknado!  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:20:00am

ey, CL, re your #381 downstairs, I’m on my phone in London and can’t write a tl;dr for you, but the “merciless Indian savages” were British allies outside of both colonial and “other” English claims. They shocked Europeans with their practices in war (and vice versa, I expect), thus merciless. Also, the word “savage” has changed meaning in the last couple of centuries, and refered more to technology and way of life. (Edit: as a descriptive, not a judgement.) Still sucks, of course.

Klys, the National Gallery is selling world masterpiece counted cross stitch kits. I thought of you immediately.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:21:07am

re: #83 Snarknado!

Klys, the National Gallery is selling world masterpiece counted cross stitch kits. I thought of you immediately.

Now that is kewl!

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:22:51am
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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:23:34am
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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:23:52am

re: #45 Testy Toad T

What an amazingly tone-deaf complaint. I enjoy life in a city with better public transit than at least 80% of Americans, and I am petrified that I’ll fuck up and clog the line when I go to a new place with a different system I’ve never ridden.

Who’s the target audience here?

Most of my work is in public transit, but I’ve been known to hold up bus boarding while I figure out whether using a new card requires dipping or swiping in the card reader. Woe unto me!

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:26:30am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Among other unlikely types, Isaac Asimov served in the army. He had a draft deferment during World War II, for the very good reason that he was doing vital war work at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. As soon as the war ended, though, the job and his deferment also ended. The draft did not, so off he went. He served for 9 months and rose to the rank of corporal on the basis of his typing skills.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:26:51am

Jim’s got a good one on Alaska…

Facebook Post

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:26:59am

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

NYC constantly fucked with my low grade claustrophobia when I was there. I kept hoping I’d be able to turn a corner or two and wouldn’t be surrounded by a swarming mass of people. Hated that.

Heh, yeah, sometimes it feels like you can’t even breathe there. It’s mostly just Manhattan that’s like that, although the other boroughs can get just as crowded during special events (or even just on popular boulevards & avenues on the weekends).

New York memory, Queens: It was one of those crowded Saturdays on Jamaica Avenue, close to the Colosseum Mall. There was usually music playing over loudspeakers from one store or another. All of a sudden those first few instantly recognizable wah-wah-wah guitar notes of Marvin Gaye’s Let’s Get It On started and nearly the entire friggin’ Avenue started whooping, swaying and immediately singing along: “I’ve been really tryyyyyin’ baby, tryin’ to hold back this feeling for so long…”

Let’s Get It On

It was one of those rare, but unforgettable NYC moments where a huge crowd of strangers is in perfect, happy sync. Gawd, I miss living there (despite all its faults)…

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:42:33am
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S'latch  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:49:59am

re: #71 BeachDem

Wow. Your right. That’s some pretty horrible campaign rhetoric right there. Thanks.

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blueraven  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:51:15am

So Bernie Sanders, who often criticizes “corporate media” for not talking about issues, takes a misleading WP headline and a quote from a CNN reporter then uses that as an excuse to viciously attack Clinton.

No fact checking at all about the reports. Next he will be quoting Fox News on Benghazi.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:54:20am

The Derpening continues:

“…I think if you look at her record and campaign, her campaign is funded by millions and millions of dollars from Wall Street and other special interests. She’s made a deal with the devil, and we all know the devil wants his money in the end. So that’s the kind of campaign she’s running. She supported the terrible trade deals which have devastated American manufacturing in the country. She supported the war in Iraq. She continues to have a very, very hawkish foreign policy that has led to the rise and expansion of ISIS throughout the Middle East.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:54:53am

re: #94 jaunte

The Derpening continues:

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The guy’s an idiot..

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:54:55am

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Funny, but let’s not go overboard.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:56:24am
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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:56:42am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I’m starting to think he’s not too good at being a campaign manager.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:57:25am

This looks like a shot across the bow. The Administration is telling Sanders to get his shit together or Obama is going to endorse Clinton before the primaries are over.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:58:36am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“…you voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of America.”

Oh, that’s a vast understatement, Bernie. It was the most disastrous foreign policy blunder since the Athenian expedition to Syracuse. She’s admitted she was wrong. Let’s hear you admit you were wrong about something **cough**NRA**cough**….

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:58:45am

re: #94 jaunte

The Derpening continues:

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Sure, but at least we’re not running one of those dreaded negative campaigns.

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:59:10am

“To take attention away from the disastrous Bernie interview with the Daily News, I’m going to have the campaign act like complete jackasses for a few days.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 11:59:37am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Good grief. That is so incredibly dumb. She had a problem getting it to read her card for about 10 seconds, then went through. I just can’t believe how stupid these attacks on Clinton are getting.

Wait till she orders Dijon mustard on a hamburger.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:02:38pm

NC State: Metal Foam Obliterates Bullets

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:03:27pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“…you voted for the war in Iraq, the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of America.”

Oh, that’s a vast understatement, Bernie. It was the most disastrous foreign policy blunder since the Athenian expedition to Syracuse. She’s admitted she was wrong. Let’s hear you admit you were wrong about something **cough**NRA**cough**….

Bernie admit to being wrong? NEVER.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:04:13pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Bernie admit to being wrong? NEVER.

That would require Bernie having been wrong.

Sanders cannot fail. He can only be failed.

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blueraven  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:07:39pm

re: #102 jaunte

“To take attention away from the disastrous Bernie interview with the Daily News, I’m going to have the campaign act like complete jackasses for a few days.”

Borrowing from the Trump strategy…Heh, if it’s good enough for The Donald!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:08:48pm

re: #106 Testy Toad T

That would require Bernie having been wrong.

Sanders cannot fail. He can only be failed.

Heh I really hate to say it but he’s been approaching Ron Paul territory for me lately. Here’s what ticked me off though as I missed the gun discussion on Tuesday night I believe it was. Bernie talks a lot about how businesses need to take responsibility and on that, I’m in agreement but he’s silent as a mouse when that said industry is the firearms one. If Clinton were the one with the cozy NRA record, I highly doubt she’d get a pass and she sure as hell would not get one from me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:09:35pm

At least his campaign doesn’t manhandle people who don’t support it. They still do have a lot of other problems though so considering that damning with faint praise.

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:13:09pm
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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:13:43pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?
+ 2 term Senate
+ Sec State

Sec State looks great but rather a distant focus. 2 Term Senate, how should that compare to two term governor?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:14:15pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:16:05pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I hope Professor Obama doesn’t give us a pop quiz on torts. //

But a pop quiz on tortes would be OK with me.

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withak  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:16:20pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I hope Professor Obama doesn’t give us a pop quiz on torts. //

I would prefer a quiz with pop tarts

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:16:20pm

re: #111 Great White Snark

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?

Well it honestly depends. Some first ladies were and I hate to sound dismissive merely hostesses. Clinton I believe was involved with policy too. However, FLOTUS or not, I think she’s uniquely qualified for the position given her experience as Senator and SoS. Remember SoS used to be the stepping stone to the Presidency. Jefferson was a SOS, John Quincy Adams was too, and John Adams while not SoS had been Minister to Britain in the Articles of Confederation years.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:16:45pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

But a pop quiz on tortes would be OK with me.

re: #114 withak

I would prefer a quiz with pop tarts

Brilliant. Well played.

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blueraven  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:19:08pm

re: #111 Great White Snark

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?

Think it would be more about how deeply they understood and were involved in policy, rather than “time served”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:19:11pm

re: #104 Kragar

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“Here’s the badge” (hands new sheriff badge with big, bullet-shaped dent)

“That must have saved the life of whoever was wearin’ it.”

“Well, it sure would have, if it hadn’t been for all them other bullets flyin’ in from everywhere.”

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:21:21pm
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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:21:26pm

re: #111 Great White Snark

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?
+ 2 term Senate
+ Sec State

Sec State looks great but rather a distant focus. 2 Term Senate, how should that compare to two term governor?

Bush was a multi-term governor. Obama was a one term senator. We like to talk about governors but Walker and Kasich are governors, and they scare me just as much as the other Republicans.

And the one authority that the president has that no other elected official does is foreign affairs.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:22:59pm

re: #119 Kragar

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EVERYONE KNOWS THAT OBAMA IS A SHILL FOR BIG OIL, BIG WAR, AND THE NEOCON AGENDA!!1!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:24:25pm

re: #111 Great White Snark

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?
+ 2 term Senate
+ Sec State

Sec State looks great but rather a distant focus. 2 Term Senate, how should that compare to two term governor?

It’s amusing that the RWNJs’ bètes noires, Bill and Hillary Clinton, could very well wind up living in the White House for 16 years—longer than anybody, ever.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:25:12pm

re: #122 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s amusing that the RWNJs’ bètes noires, Bill and Hillary Clinton, could very well wind up living in the White House for 16 years—longer than anybody, ever.

Too bad Eleanor didn’t consider running. She would have been great too. I like Eleanor more thank Franklin as I’ve learned more about them.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:25:31pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I don’t count her time with Bill in the WH as a major plus. To me it’s a neutral point. Sure she gained experience in Presidential ways, but I disagreed with her proposals and advocacy. I call that a wash. The big qual is Sec State I agree. A term or two in the Senate sounds like journeyman years not mastered the art yet.

She’s fortunate not to be up against a long standing successful Governor or career Senator qualification wise, and that situation is pretty frequent. She would fail to defeat a Ted Kennedy I think RIP.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:29:45pm

re: #124 Great White Snark

I don’t count her time with Bill in the WH as a major plus. To me it’s a neutral point. Sure she gained experience in Presidential ways, but I disagreed with her proposals and advocacy. I call that a wash. The big qual is Sec State I agree. A term or two in the Senate sounds like journeyman years not mastered the art yet.

She’s fortunate not to be up against a long standing successful Governor or career Senator qualification wise, and that situation is pretty frequent. She would fail to defeat a Ted Kennedy I think RIP.

Really? You mean a career senator like Sanders?

And what was wrong with her advocacy as FLOTUS? That she worked on healthcare?

Sorry, this is sounding more like She’s a Girl, What Does She Know? stuff to me.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:30:19pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

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Going to watch. Might learn something!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:30:43pm

re: #124 Great White Snark

I don’t count her time with Bill in the WH as a major plus. To me it’s a neutral point. Sure she gained experience in Presidential ways, but I disagreed with her proposals and advocacy. I call that a wash. The big qual is Sec State I agree. A term or two in the Senate sounds like journeyman years not mastered the art yet.

She’s fortunate not to be up against a long standing successful Governor or career Senator qualification wise, and that situation is pretty frequent. She would fail to defeat a Ted Kennedy I think RIP.

I dunno, I think eight years in the Senate and four as SOS qualifies one quite well. Kennedy was very uniquely qualified as a legislator and probably one of the best at understanding the art of legislation of anyone in either party in the past 50+ years, so using him as a benchmark is kind of unfair since you’re dealing with someone else. I wouldn’t say she’s the most qualified ever but she’s up there.. I agree that the big kicker is the SoS spot which is I think why she took it when offered.

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Snarknado!  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:31:03pm

re: #124 Great White Snark

Uh, well, I believe Bernie counts as a career senator. Guess it depends on the senator. (Does ANYTHING reliably qualify one for the Presidency, or are we always just guessing?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:32:09pm

what on earth does this even mean?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:32:58pm

re: #125 MsJ

Really? You mean a career senator like Sanders?

And what was wrong with her advocacy as FLOTUS? That she worked on healthcare?

Sorry, this is sounding more like She’s a Girl, What Does She Know? stuff to me.

To be fair, Kennedy was much better at passing legislation and stopping judges. I agree about Clinton’s time as FLOTUS. Sorry RWC, I think you’re wrong there. She did work on policy as FLOTUS. She wasn’t a mid 19th century First Lady serving lemonade to foreign diplomats like Lucy Hayes but a big part of her husband’s team so much to the point that her advocacy on health care reform was a big focal point in why the R’s gained back Congress in 1994. Now whether you agreed with that or not, that’s something that can be agreed or disagreed on but it was policy work.

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TedStriker  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:33:03pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

You know why we can’t have a serious disucussion about the issues facing this country?

Because that shit doesn’t get ratings.

Horse race uber alles…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:33:04pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mitch is just plain nutz

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:33:24pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

what on earth does this even mean?

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“I’m sure @POTUS will gloss over the fact that his decision about filling the #SCOTUS seat could impact our country for decades to come.”

Ideally, yeah….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:34:43pm

re: #128 Snarknado!

Uh, well, I believe Bernie counts as a career senator. Guess it depends on the senator. (Does ANYTHING reliably qualify one for the Presidency, or are we always just guessing?)

Hypothetically, there have been candidates that have Bernie’s time in Congress and maybe even less like now President Obama but demonstrated through their knowledge and intellectual curiously that they were fit to be President. That is to say, there is a reason why Barack Obama fares better than John Edwards who had a similar amount of elected experience in his run for the Presidency.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:35:15pm

re: #125 MsJ

Really? You mean a career senator like Sanders?

And what was wrong with her advocacy as FLOTUS? That she worked on healthcare?

Sorry, this is sounding more like She’s a Girl, What Does She Know? stuff to me.

First I’m not making a comparison to Sanders. That seems to be more than covered by others. Her advocacy-Please don’t over simplify my thinking. I disagreed then (and now) that single payer provides any long term guarantees to give us the massive changes we need in medicine. I’m more of an advocate for the public utility model, so just in my view she got that very wrong. An old debate anyway. She also stumped for her husbands energy tax proposal that came up right out of the gate. Again, I think that was an awful idea. Others think it was great, I’m just not that guy.

Why is it honest disagreement with her gets treated much like the dishonest crap we hear so much of? Because Trump? Or what?

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:35:26pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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bratwurst  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:35:35pm

Fuck, these people make my blood boil:

I am certainly sorry if people are threatening he and his family. It goes without saying that is totally wrong under any circumstances.

Having said that, here is what he should have said:

What I said was taken out of context. Even so, I regret that more than a few people took offense to what they heard. I continue to support Senator Sanders for President for many reasons. However, it should go without saying that all Democrats need to unify behind the eventual winner of the nomination process.

The. End.

How hard is that?

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:36:07pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

This whole election cycle is fucking terrible. The candidates are awful, the media is awful, partisan hacks on Twitter are awful.

And THIS is supposed to be an exceptional nation?

This campaign is a fucking disgrace to democracy.

Really? You think Clinton is an awful candidate?

You may not like her, but I think using the word awful is either you being frustrated by it all, or falling victim to the 25 year pile on Clinton.

She has all the credentials many presidents of the past have had. I don’t think they make perfect humans to run for President.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:36:23pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mitch is just plain nutz

June 26th. It’s April 7th and Scalia’s been dead for over a month now. Mitch is desperate and one can easily use his own words against him too. Just retire Mitch and give your seat to someone actually worth a damn.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:38:11pm

re: #128 Snarknado!

Uh, well, I believe Bernie counts as a career senator. Guess it depends on the senator. (Does ANYTHING reliably qualify one for the Presidency, or are we always just guessing?)

There has not ever been a consensus on that I don’t think, especially not in the election year itself. But I think big positions get more credit. Small state Gov v big state Governor for example. Or think “The Senator from Rhode Island” vs “the Senator From California” Time in office matters. A career beats a term or two.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:38:18pm

re: #135 Great White Snark

First I’m not making a comparison to Sanders. That seems to be more than covered by others. Her advocacy-Please don’t over simplify my thinking. I disagreed then (and now) that single payer provides any long term guarantees to give us the massive changes we need in medicine. I’m more of an advocate for the public utility model, so just in my view she got that very wrong. An old debate anyway. She also stumped for her husbands energy tax proposal that came up right out of the gate. Again, I think that was an awful idea. Others think it was great, I’m just not that guy.

Why is it honest disagreement with her gets treated much like the dishonest crap we hear so much of? Because Trump? Or what?

Well you disagree with what she advocated over but there’s no doubt that she was involved in policy which I thought was your entire question in the first place. As I said, Clinton’s FLOTUS experience was different from many before her. As I said, we can agree or disagree about those experiences but I think it can reasonably be stated that she did play a role in policy in the Clinton WH in a way that others have not.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:42:25pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Lots of people re involved in policy, i.e spend time and effort in advocacy. That’s great, but small time for POTUS. She developed pro and personal networks in the WH that surely serve her well. Like I said I count that time as a wash-Neutral in my evaluation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:42:58pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

what on earth does this even mean?

I’m sure @POTUS will gloss over the fact that his decision about filling the #SCOTUS seat could impact our country for decades to come.

Should have thought of that before you lost the election that made him the guy to make the choice, then, asshole.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:43:56pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

what on earth does this even mean?

It means McConnell is admitting exactly why he’s blocking the nomination.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:44:16pm
Will @POTUS bring up the #BidenRule during his #SCOTUSnominee speech this afternoon?

If he does, at least he won’t lie about what it says, unlike you, asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:44:30pm

re: #142 Great White Snark

Lots of people re involved in policy, i.e spend time and effort in advocacy. That’s great, but small time for POTUS. She developed pro and personal networks in the WH that surely serve her well. Like I said I count that time as a wash-Neutral in my evaluation.

Fair enough. Honestly, I think the best thing that could have happened to her was losing to Obama in 2008 and then serving as SoS. I’m more impressed by her now than I was then.

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TedStriker  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:44:54pm

re: #56 Kragar

I promised I wouldn’t get excited by Star Wars again, and then I get this

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As I “said” a couple times downstairs when someone posted the Rogue One trailer:

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:45:42pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:46:15pm

re: #120 Belafon

Bush was a multi-term governor. Obama was a one term senator. We like to talk about governors but Walker and Kasich are governors, and they scare me just as much as the other Republicans.

And the one authority that the president has that no other elected official does is foreign affairs.

Other governors who were in the race and totally inept and/or downright awful—Jindal, Jeb, Huckabee, Walker, Perry. Christie, also a governor, although I wouldn’t put him in the totally inept list—just an utter asshole. And Gilmore and Pataki, I really don’t have an opinion—much like the multitude of people who didn’t vote for them.

Yeah, I’ll take Hillary’s credentials over any of that bunch in a heartbeat.

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:46:35pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

If he does, at least he won’t lie about what it says, unlike you, asshole.

You mean the Biden rule where the president says “hey, pick one” (consult with Congress, which Obama did) and then they vote on the nominee? Or the hypothetical one that you have in your head?

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:47:12pm

So…. Bernie. As compared in my view. Sure long career. “The Senator from Vermont”. Sorry that’s small town for POTUS. Has almost no positions I agree with save two or three. Less qualified than HRC.

Again both are lucky another Dem heavyweight career DC politician did not upset the whole apple cart. It could have happened, but of course it just didn’t. Okay but the field still lacks anyone of that particular description. They remain where they are.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:47:50pm

Should be obvious but needed to say it anyway:

As far as qualifications are concerned, Hillary and Bernie are both incomparably more qualified than either Trump or Cruz.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:47:56pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. Honestly, I think the best thing that could have happened to her was losing to Obama in 2008 and then serving as SoS. I’m more impressed by her now than I was then.

Me too. I want her back as Sec State. We did not get an upgrade with that change did we?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:48:23pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:49:27pm

re: #45 Testy Toad T

What an amazingly tone-deaf complaint. I enjoy life in a city with better public transit than at least 80% of Americans, and I am petrified that I’ll fuck up and clog the line when I go to a new place with a different system I’ve never ridden.

Who’s the target audience here?

Those predisposed to bashing Clinton and adding to her baggage. It is confirmation for them.

it is also easy, lazy and let’s go for some some hits and viewers bullshit.*

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* I wanted to use journalism or reporting but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:50:36pm

Drive-by because SQUEEEE!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:50:37pm

re: #153 Great White Snark

Me too. I want her back as Sec State. We did not get an upgrade with that change did we?

I dunno. I think Kerry’s done a good job there. I think as far as experience go. I really think as much as it sounds like a cop-out, it’s what your feeling. McCain definitely was more experienced than Obama in 2008. No question about it but I felt and still do feel that his judgment and leadership skills were miles ahead of McCain’s. Abraham Lincoln was not the most experienced candidate in 1860 but I don’t think Seward, Chase, or anyone else would have been able to handle the Civil War as well as he did.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:50:56pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

You know why we can’t have a serious disucussion about the issues facing this country?

Because that shit doesn’t get ratings.

You got that right.

They need to keep the hog feed trough full.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:51:05pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My ancestral home state. Props Governor Wolf.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:52:06pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Should be obvious but needed to say it anyway:

As far as qualifications are concerned, Hillary and Bernie are both incomparably more qualified than either Trump or Cruz.

Trump isn’t qualified at all. Cruz has on paper qualifications but I wouldn’t trust him picking up my dog’s shit.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:53:11pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:53:18pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:53:47pm

re: #142 Great White Snark

Lots of people re involved in policy, i.e spend time and effort in advocacy. That’s great, but small time for POTUS. She developed pro and personal networks in the WH that surely serve her well. Like I said I count that time as a wash-Neutral in my evaluation.

She puts her career on hold so Bill could benefit from the focus, and this is what she gets. Not blaming you, that’s how it has worked since the 1970s, if not the 1870s.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:55:32pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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Indeed FNC is the ultimate “safe space” for aging wingnuts who can’t deal with a changing world and who need sexed up blondes who sound like Rush Limbaugh to make them feel better about being bigots. Luntz of course missed your point because he’s spent his entire career catering to people like that.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:58:06pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Can’t disagree. But it did set her up well to get in the Senate no? Not a bad deal.

If there is any job in the world where the spouse has to pause the career, POTUS would be it I would think. It’s a lot bigger than the same thing for the doctorate or law degree.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:58:19pm

Anyhow it’s not that Bernie is from a small state though I think that doesn’t help, it’s that he has so few legislation to his name. Look at Biden. Biden was from a small state too but had a lot of accomplishments. Delaware is a lot more diverse than Vermont too to be fair. Honestly, I think it’s that Bernie doesn’t have the experience in Congress, it’s that I don’t think he’s used his experience to the best possible use in someone attempting to become President.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 12:59:18pm

Oh, good: A dangerous nut on the loose from Steilacoom.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:00:03pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Anyhow it’s not that Bernie is from a small state though I think that doesn’t help, it’s that he has so few legislation to his name. Look at Biden. Biden was from a small state too but had a lot of accomplishments. Delaware is a lot more diverse than Vermont too to be fair. Honestly, I think it’s that Bernie doesn’t have the experience in Congress, it’s that I don’t think he’s used his experience to the best possible use in someone attempting to become President.

And Biden could comfortably talk about a wide range of subjects. It takes someone who is intellectually curious to do that, and I honestly don’t think that Sanders is that.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:00:07pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:00:46pm

re: #165 Great White Snark

Can’t disagree. But it did set her up well to get in the Senate no? Not a bad deal.

If there is any job in the world where the spouse has to pause the career, POTUS would be it I would think. It’s a lot bigger than the same thing for the doctorate or law degree.

Do you mean she got into the Senate on Bill’s coattails? Do I need to read up? Because I just got here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:01:35pm

Reds just beat the Phillies.
Throwing some shade now:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:01:57pm

re: #168 Timothy Watson

And Biden could comfortably talk about a wide range of subjects. It takes someone who is intellectually curious to do that, and I honestly don’t think that Sanders is that.

I believe Biden at a point was chairman of the judiciary committee and later of foreign relations. He also sponsored what became the Americans with Disabilities Act. I really wish Biden had ran. I understand why he is not but I love that man and I think he has a lot of great gifts.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:02:03pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

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When Frank Luntz says, “Let’s be honest” a hole opens up and swallows the universe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:02:28pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

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There’s also how they define ‘Liberals’ there. Often they’re the ones who can be relied on as ‘Even the Liberal So-and-So thinks this”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:02:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:02:43pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reds just beat the Phillies.
Throwing some shade now:

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I actually found Philly Cheesesteaks overrated. Now the roasted pork with broccoli rabe. That’s good eating.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:03:13pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

I don’t think that’s even a true statement considering what Andy Lack and Joe Scarborough have done to the station.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:03:29pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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Yep.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:03:45pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reds just beat the Phillies.
Throwing some shade now:

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That stuff they put on Spaghetti? Nice, tasty Greek meat sauce, yes. Chili? Not hardly.

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makeitstop  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:04:41pm

re: #124 Great White Snark

I don’t count her time with Bill in the WH as a major plus. To me it’s a neutral point. Sure she gained experience in Presidential ways, but I disagreed with her proposals and advocacy. I call that a wash.

But whether you agreed with the proposals is irrelevant. The experience is still there.

And Republicans moaned the entire time that Hillary was ‘too involved with policy-making.’ So, it counted then, but it doesn’t count now?

She’s got more insight into the operations of the president than anyone else running this time. On either side.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:05:17pm

I’ve been through Cincinnati numerous times but never had Skyline Chili. Am I missing something?

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:06:13pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Experience is just one measure. Long career but a short IQ or temper is a very bad idea. Heck Obama himself would have been a better President with more time in. Not to say he was inadequate but it made for a rougher start in a rough time. He was fortunate to inherit a coherent plan for the banks and such, TARP etc. I still think he should have done economy first and medical next. Opinions vary of course.

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:06:18pm

Good POTUS seminar on politics and the SCOTUS which is live now here:
whitehouse.gov

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:06:22pm

RE: McConnell’s whining: it’s really a shame President Obama is a two-term President, huh Mitch….

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bratwurst  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:06:44pm

re: #180 makeitstop

But whether you agreed with the proposals is irrelevant. The experience is still there.

And Republicans moaned the entire time that Hillary was ‘too involved with policy-making.’ So, it counted then, but it doesn’t count now?

She’s got more insight into the operations of the president than anyone else running this time. On either side.

Here is something else:

Having a VERY good former POTUS as a trusted daily advisor is a selling point in my book.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:08:04pm

re: #180 makeitstop

But whether you agreed with the proposals is irrelevant. The experience is still there.

And Republicans moaned the entire time that Hillary was ‘too involved with policy-making.’ So, it counted then, but it doesn’t count now?

She’s got more insight into the operations of the president than anyone else running this time. On either side.

A President with 8 years experience as a hands-on First Lady and a First Gentleman (?) with 8 years experience as President. I don’t know how you’re going to beat that record anywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:08:18pm

re: #182 Great White Snark

Experience is just one measure. Long career but a short IQ or temper is a very bad idea. Heck Obama himself would have been a better President with more time in. Not to say he was inadequate but it made for a rougher start in a rough time. He was fortunate to inherit a coherent plan for the banks and such, TARP etc. I still think he should have done economy first and medical next. Opinions vary of course.

Yes. Anyhow, why anyone would want that job is beyond me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:08:21pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

That stuff they put on Spaghetti? Nice, tasty Greek meat sauce, yes. Chili? Not hardly.

heh, most people don’t know that about Cincinnati chilis.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:08:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:09:23pm

re: #185 bratwurst

Here is something else:

Having a VERY good former POTUS as a trusted daily advisor is a selling point in my book.

I can’t help but to think of when Michael Corleone dismisses Tom Hagen as consligeri and mentions that his father will be his because “who other than my father?”.

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makeitstop  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:09:41pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Drive-by because SQUEEEE!!

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What is that? A wombat?

Such a determined walk!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:09:42pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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They’ve had Pat Buchanan on quite a few times too haven’t they?

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:10:03pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Look how safe it was for Melissa Harris-Perry.

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Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:11:21pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

The “one” issue? He is nuts.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:11:36pm

re: #135 Great White Snark

First I’m not making a comparison to Sanders. That seems to be more than covered by others. Her advocacy-Please don’t over simplify my thinking. I disagreed then (and now) that single payer provides any long term guarantees to give us the massive changes we need in medicine. I’m more of an advocate for the public utility model, so just in my view she got that very wrong. An old debate anyway. She also stumped for her husbands energy tax proposal that came up right out of the gate. Again, I think that was an awful idea. Others think it was great, I’m just not that guy.

Why is it honest disagreement with her gets treated much like the dishonest crap we hear so much of? Because Trump? Or what?

That makes no sense. You want healthcare to be treated as a utility, but are against the public option? You’ll have to explain your concept of healthcare because I’m not seeing it.

Disagreeing with her policies doesn’t make her less qualified.

I’m not picking on you because you don’t (or do, whatever) like her. I’m picking on you for what you said because it made (in your original comment) and makes (in this comment) no sense.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:11:43pm

Of course wingnuts are also the ones who homeschool their children because they’re afraid of dangerous liberal secularism. Mocking the college kids is laughable bs from the conservatives and Luntz knows it.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:12:43pm

*facepalm*

Bill Clinton comments on BLM protesters

I won’t use the diarists original headline because it is full of hyperbole. but Bill did just put his foot in his mouth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:14:45pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been through Cincinnati numerous times but never had Skyline Chili. Am I missing something?

Skyline is soupier than Gold Star, so GS is better for conies.
GS is somewhat sweeter.
In Cincinnati most people love one and hate the other.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:15:30pm

Bill Clinton isn’t running for office and has not been in office for about half my life. Honestly, I don’t really care one way or the other what soundbites he drops.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:16:19pm

re: #180 makeitstop

But whether you agreed with the proposals is irrelevant. The experience is still there.

And Republicans moaned the entire time that Hillary was ‘too involved with policy-making.’ So, it counted then, but it doesn’t count now?

She’s got more insight into the operations of the president than anyone else running this time. On either side.

i thought I was clear when I said acknowledged the experience but called it a wash over getting it wrong IMO. I don’t go by the Republcans measure so that’s kinda misdirected.

“More than anyone else running”

Comparative measures have a fundamental problem. It disregards how far the bar has fallen. HRC is middling experienced by historic measures. So many career legislators or executives have run. Does that mean vote for Trump or Bernie? Hell no. It just stands for what it is by comparison to past cycles. It takes skill and opportunity and a little luck to get as far as she has. There is no shame in this admission,. Harder for a woman than a man too.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:17:15pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Skyline is soupier than Gold Star, so GS is better for conies.
GS is somewhat sweeter.
In Cincinnati most people love one and hate the other.

Forgot about Gold Star. I used to walk by one everyday in Lexington for two years. Never went in. I don’t hate chili. It’s just not the first thing I think about when going out for food. I’m sure I’ll be back. I’ll make a determined effort next time.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:17:59pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

OMGOMGOMG!! I want one!!!

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:18:01pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Skyline is soupier than Gold Star, so GS is better for conies.
GS is somewhat sweeter.
In Cincinnati most people love one and hate the other.

You’d think since I’m from a state with the ‘state question’ of ‘Red or green? [chile]’ that I could get into that dispute. But, no.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:18:02pm
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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:18:37pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

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Fox features more on-air liberals than MSNBC does conservatives.

Who’s zoomin’ who?

MSNBC regulars/hosts:

Joe Scarborough
Nicolle Wallace
Steve Schmidt
Mark Halperin (who, let us never forget, called the president a dick on live TV)
(of late) Ann fucking Coulter
(stealth GOPer, IMO) Chuck Todd

Who am I missing?

Fox “liberals”:
Juan Williams
(formerly) Bob Beckel, Alan Colmes
and they like to trot out Evan Bayh when they REALLY want that progressive view

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:20:30pm

re: #201 Great White Snark

“More than anyone else running”

Comparative measures have a fundamental problem. It disregards how far the bar has fallen. HRC is middling experienced by historic measures. So many career legislators or executives have run. Does that mean vote for Trump or Bernie? Hell no. It just stands for what it is by comparison to past cycles. It takes skill and opportunity and a little luck to get as far as she has. There is no shame in this admission,. Harder for a woman than a man too.

Twice as hard.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:21:10pm
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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:22:06pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, good: A dangerous nut on the loose from Steilacoom.

Curious how they had money for a taxi, no?

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:22:22pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been through Cincinnati numerous times but never had Skyline Chili. Am I missing something?

I would say yes. It’s a unique taste experience. I’m a three-way fan—spaghetti, chili, cheese—don’t like onion and prefer it without beans. (And I’m definitely a Skyline over GoldStar proponent.) I’m glad Kroger is here in SC, only because they carry frozen Skyline.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:22:51pm
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Jack Burton  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:24:23pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

Skyline is soupier than Gold Star, so GS is better for conies.
GS is somewhat sweeter.
In Cincinnati most people love one and hate the other.

So there’s really only one way to eat a brace of conies?

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Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:24:47pm

re: #197 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Bill Clinton said, “Black Lives Matters are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter,” and also said in defense of the crime bill that “Drug dealers gave crack to 13 yr olds so they could go out and murder other African Americans.”

I’m scratching my head and wondering what was wrong with what he said??

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:24:55pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reds just beat the Phillies.
Throwing some shade now:

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Got some Skyline chili 4-way, TYVM. It was no cheesesteak. Just sayin’. :-)

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:25:06pm

re: #195 MsJ

That makes no sense. You want healthcare to be treated as a utility, but are against the public option? You’ll have to explain your concept of healthcare because I’m not seeing it.

Disagreeing with her policies doesn’t make her less qualified.

I’m not picking on you because you don’t (or do, whatever) like her. I’m picking on you for what you said because it made (in your original comment) and makes (in this comment) no sense.

Against single payer, yes. the customers should pay the bill. A private entity(ies) can do the work. A commission like the California PUC on a Federal level could enforce the rules. Like we do with water and gas and electricity here in SoCal. They don’t take out taxes for my gas, water and electric and use them to build government water, gas and electric infrastructure.

Exxon taught us we can’t trust unfettered private enterprise. Flint (and other examples) teach us where the government can make deadly mistakes over money. Seems to me the balanced hybrid model is a utility model.

if a person has policies I disagree with they are less qualified if only in my view. Experience is just one measure, judgement another. Temperament and intelligence two more measures.

I don’t feel picked on, I enjoy the cordial yet sharp talks we get to have here. Some days my slight right lean shows more, depending on topic at hand. :-)

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:26:13pm

POTUS very deftly shows how many people with diverse beliefs have a stake in reform of the criminal system.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:27:19pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

I’ve been through Cincinnati numerous times but never had Skyline Chili. Am I missing something?

Nope. It’s barely chili. It’ll do in a pinch. Brought some home for the hubbs because it’s OH tradition. He said Meh, too. It’s food.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:27:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:27:28pm

liberal media y’all!

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:28:05pm

A Bernie supporter just explained to me that they can afford to make a “declaration of principle” and sit out the election if Hillary is nominated, since Trump will be the GOP nominee and Hillary will win anyway.

So, their principles are only valid if they are useless and numerically insignificant.

There is also the remote, but real possibility that Trump might win.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:29:23pm

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel

A Bernie supporter just explained to me that they can afford to make a “declaration of principle” and sit out the election if Hillary is nominated, since Trump will be the GOP nominee and Hillary will win anyway.

So, their principles are only valid if they are useless and numerically insignificant.

There is also the remote, but real possibility that Trump might win.

The fact that it’s nonzero is too much.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:30:19pm

Want to watch the rest, but have to go. I’ll catch the rest on youtube later.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:30:59pm
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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:30:59pm

re: #213 Jenner7

Bill Clinton said, “Black Lives Matters are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter,” and also said in defense of the crime bill that “Drug dealers gave crack to 13 yr olds so they could go out and murder other African Americans.”

I’m scratching my head and wondering what was wrong with what he said??

I’m scratching my head to figure out what that first sentence even means. Don’t know who he was talking to, so don’t get the context (and too lazy/busy to go look right now.)

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:31:22pm

re: #57 Great White Snark

The rules sure are different than when she ran against Obama.
“One speech Senator” was the phrase she used iirc. Kinda makes it hard to take this kerfuffle seriously. It’s a dustmote on the road to the WH. Her qualifications are best described as “middling’. Far from inadequate but nothing like a long standing legislator or governor.

As ‘middling’ as Obama was too. And look how that worked out.

Actually Hillary has more experience and has been through more political wars than he had prior to him running. I feel she is more experienced than he was, and she definitely would represent the female citizen more…and they happen to be the majority of this country.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:32:25pm

re: #210 BeachDem

I would say yes. It’s a unique taste experience. I’m a three-way fan—spaghetti, chili, cheese—don’t like onion and prefer it without beans. (And I’m definitely a Skyline over GoldStar proponent.) I’m glad Kroger is here in SC, only because they carry frozen Skyline.

Triple onions, baby. I could have blown a house down (from both ends)!!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:35:01pm
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Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:36:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:36:53pm

I notice how Luntz is deliberately not replying to my tweets, but adding comments to retweets instead - to prevent the whole thread from being easily readable.

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EPR-radar  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:39:00pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell has big brass ones to say that the SCOTUS nomination is “the one issue we don’t agree on”.

The GOP is now defined by its opposition to Democrats and to progress.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:39:05pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I notice how Luntz is deliberately not replying to my tweets, but adding comments to retweets instead - to prevent the whole thread from being easily readable.

I’m shocked that a career deceiver is being deceiving. Shocked, I say!

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:39:18pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I notice how Luntz is deliberately not replying to my tweets, but adding comments to retweets instead - to prevent the whole thread from being easily readable.

He knows how dumb he looks in the thread.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:40:49pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

He knows how dumb he looks in the thread.

If only he realized how dumb he looks with that hair.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:43:55pm

Anyone hungry?

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blueraven  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:45:35pm

re: #197 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

*facepalm*

Bill Clinton comments on BLM protesters

I won’t use the diarists original headline because it is full of hyperbole. but Bill did just put his foot in his mouth.

Ummm…did you watch the entire exchange? I thought Bill was actually pretty good…much better than he has been lately.

Look the early ninties were awful with crime. Black leaders approved of the crime bill at the time. Sure, it had unintended consequences and needs to be fixed NOW, but there was good stuff in that bill too.

I agree with the first comment on that diary:

The effects of crime and drugs in black neighborhoods and communities in the late 1980s and early 1990s were absolutely devastating. The crime bills of that period cannot be assessed without that context.

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blueraven  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:47:30pm

re: #224 BeachDem

I’m scratching my head to figure out what that first sentence even means. Don’t know who he was talking to, so don’t get the context (and too lazy/busy to go look right now.)

here ya go

Black Lives Matter protesters and Bill Clinton repeatedly clash in Philadelphia

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:48:23pm

re: #235 blueraven

Ummm…did you watch the entire exchange? I thought Bill was actually pretty good…much better than he has been lately.

Look the early ninties were awful with crime. Black leaders approved of the crime bill at the time. Sure, it had unintended consequences and needs to be fixed NOW, but there was good stuff in that bill too.

I agree with the first comment on that diary:

And they were the ones who used the phrase “super predators”.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:50:27pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

The guy’s an idiot..

Weaver?

He’s a complete humorless asshole.

It’s funny that he is a huge comic book collector and had or has a store and I think web site for his comics business.

He also was a bit of a radical student in college. Check out his Wiki page. He got suspended from I think Boston University for some of his political/demonstration activities.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:51:10pm

re: #235 blueraven

It’s absolutely bizarre looking through Great Orange Satan comment sections and seeing the sort of vitriol I used to see directed at W and instead see it spewed at Clinton.

Bill goddamn Clinton, who presided over one of the most peaceful and prosperous decades in our nation’s history.

The far left and the far right truly are indistinguishable.

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:51:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:51:34pm

Get into an exchange with Frank Luntz about Fox News being an echo chamber, and you immediately get deluged with insults and talking points from right wing parrots with eagles and flags and Benghazi twibbons in their Twitter profiles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:52:53pm

re: #235 blueraven

I agree with the first comment on that diary:

The effects of crime and drugs in black neighborhoods and communities in the late 1980s and early 1990s were absolutely devastating. The crime bills of that period cannot be assessed without that context.

I keep saying that. I think people forget that 1992-1994 coincided with the very peak of the frightening rise in crime that started in the 1960s and seemed like it would never end.

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:53:07pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

Get into an exchange with Frank Luntz about Fox News being an echo chamber, and you immediately get deluged with insults and talking points from right wing parrots with eagles and flags and Benghazi twibbons in their Twitter profiles.

That’s how you know you’ve hurt them. Good job!

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:53:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:54:24pm

re: #244 Kragar

Conservatives love making “safe spaces”. Look at all the religious liberty laws they’ve passed.

THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:55:40pm

BTW, it’s officially Biotechnology Day today here in California. Y’all ought to take me to lunch, me being the resident Genetic Engineer.
//

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:55:53pm

So, two days after her surgery, we are back to the early morning walk to Starbucks. Chucky was happy to go and to see her Starbucks friend but she did seem a little more tired than usual afterwards. A little bit after I got to work, my wife sent me photographic proof that we probably don’t treats our pups well enough.

Juno sticking close by her big sister during Chucky’s convalescence.

Just like after Chucky’s previous surgery, Juno is looking after her big sister.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:57:08pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim.

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calochortus  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:57:44pm

re: #247 Jebediah, RBG

So, two days after her surgery, we are back to the early morning walk to Starbucks. Chucky was happy to go and to see her Starbucks friend but she did seem a little more tired than usual afterwards. A little bit after I got to work, my wife sent me photographic proof that we probably don’t treats our pups well enough.

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Just like after Chucky’s previous surgery, Juno is looking after her big sister.

Yeah, I can see where they are leading a rough life.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:57:47pm

re: #111 Great White Snark

How heavily in one supposed to count First Lady as a Pres. qual? “Years in the WH”=?
+ 2 term Senate
+ Sec State

Sec State looks great but rather a distant focus. 2 Term Senate, how should that compare to two term governor?

Again. How many terms did Obama have? I think have seen you say you thought he has been a good president. Are you comparing apples to apples or is Hillary already a rotten tomato in your mind.

I think you are working your dislike for her too much. I bet if you go through the history books you might find she has a lot more political background than many of our fine Presidents.

And don’t discount her in the Whitehouse, She was not just a first lady. She was active. Don’t you remember Hillary care? And what about her law background?

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:57:50pm

re: #236 blueraven

here ya go

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Damn. Bill can do some great talkin’. He knows his stuff.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:58:50pm

re: #251 MsJ

Damn. Bill can do some great talkin’. He knows his stuff.

Much as I disliked him as a former wingnut, the man has charisma and a shrewd intellect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 1:58:56pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:03:07pm

LOL THIS BUTTHURT CRYBABY==>

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thedopefishlives  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:03:39pm

re: #254 The Vicious Babushka

Translation: Wahhhhh, I want more attention. Please pay attention to me.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:04:27pm

re: #249 calochortus

For some reason, this old favorite comes to mind:
The Stooges - I Wanna Be Your Dog

Even if it isn’t exactly what the Stooges had in mind.

ETA: Man, I love that album.

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:06:06pm

re: #246 Blind Frog Belly White

Where would you like to go?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:07:18pm

re: #251 MsJ

Damn. Bill can do some great talkin’. He knows his stuff.

The GOP has marinated so long in their Clinton-hate that they really don’t realize how popular he is—he could easily have won a third term if he could have run—and what an asset he’s going to be in the campaign.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:09:55pm

re: #258 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The GOP has marinated so long in their Clinton-hate that they really don’t realize how popular he is—he could easily have won a third term if he could have run—and what an asset he’s going to be in the campaign.

Meanwhile, Koskids say this has put PA and NY into play.

Snnrk.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:10:52pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:13:09pm

Well there you have it.

ON MSNBC just now Nina Turner just basically said she agrees Hillary is unqualified to be President. She said she backs what Bernie said.

“He said what he said.”

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:13:18pm
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Tigger2  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:15:47pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

what on earth does this even mean?

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Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:17:03pm

Yup. It’s Bernie Butthurt day.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:18:16pm

re: #264 Jenner7

Yup. It’s Bernie Butthurt day.

All day, every day.

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wrenchwench  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:20:23pm

Redshirt birthday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:21:16pm

tweeters are getting on Imani’s last nerve:

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:22:11pm

re: #151 Great White Snark

So…. Bernie. As compared in my view. Sure long career. “The Senator from Vermont”. Sorry that’s small town for POTUS. Has almost no positions I agree with save two or three. Less qualified than HRC.

Again both are lucky another Dem heavyweight career DC politician did not upset the whole apple cart. It could have happened, but of course it just didn’t. Okay but the field still lacks anyone of that particular description. They remain where they are.

Name one.

And if they are such heavyweights why didn’t they run? If they didn’t want the job, then they are not that much a heavyweight in my estimation.

Leaders want to lead. It is very obvious Hillary thinks she can be a leader and here she is. Trying to be THE leader.

I suggest it is because they knew Hillary was qualified and it would be hard to run against her.

And along that line, why didn’t some of those unnamed heavyweights run against Obama?

As I said earlier, he was even less qualified than Hillary and surly not a Democrat Heavyweight. There was golden opportunity fro one to step up. And, how many ended up in Obama’s administration.

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Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:23:12pm

Good freaking grief….

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:24:11pm

re: #236 blueraven

I think Bill did an excellent job with the BLM hecklers. That’s the way a good politician should handle that type of situation. Trump would have had his goons tackle them and throw them out.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:25:15pm

re: #236 blueraven

here ya go

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Video

Thanks—I watched the first six minutes, and he seemed to be doing fine, engaging the protesters fairly, addressing what they were saying (and having quite a good time doing it!)

I don’t see where he stepped in it at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:25:49pm

re: #269 Jenner7

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Good freaking grief….

Well these nits won’t pick themselves.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:25:51pm

re: #153 Great White Snark

Me too. I want her back as Sec State. We did not get an upgrade with that change did we?

I think you are now getting ‘circular’ in your argument. You want her as SOS so that you can pass over her attempt to run as president.

It is very easy. Don’t vote for her. These are the candidates.

There are a myriad of reasons why we are in our political mess. One is it is completely nuts. A lot of good people wouldn’t want the job at this political time. She does. That says a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:26:15pm

Some people are just always looking for a reason to bitch. I really don’t think President Clinton meant to slight anyone but rather meant to single Lewis out for praise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:27:34pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:28:22pm

I’m just glad I have LGF to keep me grounded. Man between the right wing nuts locally and the left wing purer than thou on Facebook, it’s good to have company that is sane.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:28:37pm

re: #156 CuriousLurker

Drive-by because SQUEEEE!!

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Heh. Reminds me…I was on a photo job yesterday and saw a guy out walking his Chihuahua and a little Piggy. They made a cute pet team.

I wanted to go over and take a picture, but he was in his car and gone too quickly.

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Lancelot Link  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:30:29pm

re: #238 ObserverArt

Weaver?
He’s a complete humorless asshole.
It’s funny that he is a huge comic book collector and had or has a store and I think web site for his comics business..

Is this his store?

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Tigger2  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:30:45pm

re: #269 Jenner7

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Good freaking grief….

Those big six are just the most recognizable to the general population.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:31:05pm

I’m just tired of the Sanders supporters I know shitting on the South. I get it, the South is a Republican region but assholes many of the voters you’re shitting are the same ones and their descendants that Bernie marched for. And if Sanders was winning in the South, they’d be using this as proof that Bernie could win the South so fuck that shit man.

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Jenner7  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:31:25pm

And look, no one is talking about Bernie’s attack on Hillary….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:33:29pm

re: #281 Jenner7

And look, no one is talking about Bernie’s attack on Hillary….

Bernie can attack all he wants but the second you question Bernie’s past record of support from the NRA, you’re being negative. Honestly, I’m getting sick of Bernie. It’s too bad because I really wanted to like the guy and I really still have some reservations about Clinton but at least she’s shown that she’s knowledgeable of the issues and her whole campaign isn’t a bone thrown to the left wing of the party that acts like a left wing Tea Party when things don’t go their way.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:33:37pm

re: #281 Jenner7

And look, no one is talking about Bernie’s attack on Hillary….

Yup…

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bratwurst  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:34:04pm

Pardon me while I vomit. Repeatedly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:34:42pm

re: #284 bratwurst

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Pardon me while I vomit. Repeatedly.

Was that before or after he mentioned his religion thinks they’re going to hell anyhow?

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:35:20pm

re: #165 Great White Snark

Can’t disagree. But it did set her up well to get in the Senate no? Not a bad deal.

If there is any job in the world where the spouse has to pause the career, POTUS would be it I would think. It’s a lot bigger than the same thing for the doctorate or law degree.

I’d buy being set up for something like a Senator from a state like Arkansas. She happened to get elected to New York. That’s representing a lot of people in a very powerful state with possibly the most powerful city in America. She was also reelected. She gave up her second senate term to become SOS.

She one that on her own. It can’t be discounted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:36:42pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I’m just tired of the Sanders supporters I know shitting on the South. I get it, the South is a Republican region but assholes many of the voters you’re shitting are the same ones and their descendants that Bernie marched for. And if Sanders was winning in the South, they’d be using this as proof that Bernie could win the South so fuck that shit man.

When you lose, the places you lost were inconsequential. When you win, the places you lost are vital. It’s how a campaign spins things. If you need to feel better after a trouncing, you find it comforting. If you need a small pickup of delegates is more important than it really is, you also find it comforting.

Confirmation Bias - it’s what’s for breakfast on Wednesday and Sunday mornings in Primary Season.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:37:29pm

re: #185 bratwurst

Here is something else:

Having a VERY good former POTUS as a trusted daily advisor is a selling point in my book.

Not if you didn’t like Bill.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:37:40pm

re: #282 HappyWarrior

Bernie can attack all he wants but the second you question Bernie’s past record of support from the NRA, you’re being negative. Honestly, I’m getting sick of Bernie. It’s too bad because I really wanted to like the guy and I really still have some reservations about Clinton but at least she’s shown that she’s knowledgeable of the issues and her whole campaign isn’t a bone thrown to the left wing of the party that acts like a left wing Tea Party when things don’t go their way.

“Her foreign policy experience doesn’t matter because Iraq. Her talk about Wall St is lies because bank speeches. She can’t talk about race because of the ‘94 Crime Bill. And we can’t trust her because of the emails. There’s no good reason to vote for her over Bernie!!”

“While we’re discussing votes, let’s talk Sandy Hook…”

“SHE’S GOING NEGATIVE!!!!”

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:38:17pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

Well there you have it.

ON MSNBC just now Nina Turner just basically said she agrees Hillary is unqualified to be President. She said she backs what Bernie said.

“He said what he said.”

Ah yes, Nina, everyone’s “shero” and, according to Berners, an ideal VP candidate. Yep, someone who’s never even won a statewide election—lost the only one she ran in 65-35%; was the shining star of the Ohio Dems, who nurtured her along, gave her every break,and then she bolts; who got beaucoup support from the Clintons when she decided to run for SoS, then shit all over them—not just by supporting Bernie, but by, well, shitting all over them. THAT Nina Turner?

Still haven’t found a clip of where she supposedly said in Nevada that she supports the Bernie or Bust bullshit. Maybe that didn’t happen, but she’s said some other obnoxious things.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:38:33pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

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Frank’s too busy watching all the fair and balanced stuff to pay notice to something like Morning Joke.

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:39:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:39:20pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

“Her foreign policy experience doesn’t matter because Iraq. Her talk about Wall St is lies because bank speeches. She can’t talk about race because of the ‘94 Crime Bill. And we can’t trust her because of the emails. There’s no good reason to vote for her over Bernie!!”

“While we’re discussing votes, let’s talk Sandy Hook…”

“SHE’S GOING NEGATIVE!!!!”

I’m tired of hearing his state as an excuse for his record on guns since you brought up Sandy Hook. His record on immigration deserves more scrutiny than it’s gotten too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:41:10pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

I’m tired of hearing his state as an excuse for his record on guns since you brought up Sandy Hook. His record on immigration deserves more scrutiny than it’s gotten too.

He’s gonna break up the Big Banks and tax the rich, so shut up about guns and immigration!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:42:29pm

re: #287 Blind Frog Belly White

When you lose, the places you lost were inconsequential. When you win, the places you lost are vital. It’s how a campaign spins things. If you need to feel better after a trouncing, you find it comforting. If you need a small pickup of delegates is more important than it really is, you also find it comforting.

Confirmation Bias - it’s what’s for breakfast on Wednesday and Sunday mornings in Primary Season.

Yep. Honestly if I were him, I’d be very worried about putting up Republican like numbers with minority voters but Hilary is the one who doesn’t care abut the party. /// even though Bernie can’t even bring himself to saying he’ll campaign to get other Democrats elected. You know what Bernie is? He’s selfish. He acts like the progressive movement is all about him and I think that may be why so few other Progressive elected officials want to back him. They see how he is and they’d rather take their chances with Clinton who may be a little more centrist but much more team orientated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:42:41pm

re: #284 bratwurst

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:43:15pm

re: #294 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s gonna break up the Big Banks and tax the rich, so shut up about guns and immigration!

You jest but that pretty much is their attitude and don’t even get me started on how they act like the reason why minority voters aren’t stepping over glass for Bernie is because they’re not educated enough.

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Testy Toad T  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:44:08pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I’m just tired of the Sanders supporters I know shitting on the South. I get it, the South is a Republican region but assholes many of the voters you’re shitting are the same ones and their descendants that Bernie marched for. And if Sanders was winning in the South, they’d be using this as proof that Bernie could win the South so fuck that shit man.

I wonder if he’s interested in turning down small-donor contributions from south of Mason-Dixon.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:44:52pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #284 bratwurst

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Pardon me while I vomit. Repeatedly.

Do you have an extra barf bag handy?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:45:18pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d really be so tempted to bust on him on his association with pastors who pretty much say the Holocaust was divinely inspired to the state of Israel could exist. Ted’s no different from the Antisemitic nutjobs who spray antisemitic graffiti on Jewish owned property. He’s worse actually since he lies that he’s a friend of the Jewish people. Ted Cruz only cares about heterosexual white fundamentalist Christians like himself.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:45:39pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Some people are just always looking for a reason to bitch. I really don’t think President Clinton meant to slight anyone but rather meant to single Lewis out for praise.

The diehard Berners threw John Lewis under the bus long ago anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:45:43pm
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bratwurst  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:45:53pm

Won’t happen…but if it did, this is precisely what you would see.

Already underway with the whole “cuckservative” thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:46:00pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I’d really be so tempted to bust on him on his association with pastors who pretty much say the Holocaust was divinely inspired to the state of Israel could exist. Ted’s no different from the Antisemitic nutjobs who spray antisemitic graffiti on Jewish owned property. He’s worse actually since he lies that he’s a friend of the Jewish people. Ted Cruz only cares about heterosexual white fundamentalist Christians like himself.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:46:55pm

re: #201 Great White Snark

i thought I was clear when I said acknowledged the experience but called it a wash over getting it wrong IMO. I don’t go by the Republcans measure so that’s kinda misdirected.

“More than anyone else running”

Comparative measures have a fundamental problem. It disregards how far the bar has fallen. HRC is middling experienced by historic measures. So many career legislators or executives have run. Does that mean vote for Trump or Bernie? Hell no. It just stands for what it is by comparison to past cycles. It takes skill and opportunity and a little luck to get as far as she has. There is no shame in this admission,. Harder for a woman than a man too.

Historic measures? Well, I guess you at least modified your earlier take that she was just middling. I hate to think what you will be saying by the end of this debate! /

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:46:58pm

re: #298 Testy Toad T

I wonder if he’s interested in turning down small-donor contributions from south of Mason-Dixon.

He didn’t have a problem when Hillary’s PAC gave him 10 grand in 2008. I was reading here a couple months ago that even though he was a shoe in for his last re-election that Bernie still raised seven million dollars. I’m sorry but I’m going to here and question Bernie’s commitment to a Progressive Congress. I never see him campaign for Democrats (I know he’s not a Democrat so go figure). I however have seen Clinton campaign with people well to her left though. It’s a political party not the Bernie Sanders show.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:47:29pm

re: #301 BeachDem

The diehard Berners threw John Lewis under the bus long ago anyway.

Yep and they can go fuck themselves for that. John Lewis in a random day of the 1960’s did more for Civil Rights than most of them have their entire lives.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:47:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:48:48pm

re: #303 bratwurst

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Won’t happen…but if it did, this is precisely what you would see.

Already underway with the whole “cuckservative” thing.

You certainly would. I have no doubt about that at all.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:50:19pm

re: #308 CuriousLurker

And yet less than two months ago: Jewish group rips Ted Cruz after endorsement by ‘abhorrent’ anti-Semitic preacher

Thanks CL. I hate these pastors. They don’t give a shit about the Jewish people. The Jewish people are tools to them not actual people to be valued and respected. It’s not a coincidence at all that Antisemitism was most prevalent in parts of the country that now elect people who think empty platitudes about Israel is the only thing that matters.

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bratwurst  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:50:26pm

Oh no…I am going to vomit AGAIN…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:51:05pm

According to JTA, Ted Cruz has employed “dog whistles” that allude to negative sentiments toward American Jews, including talk of rival Donald Trump’s “New York values,” even calling the popular Yiddish expression “chutzpah,” a “New York term.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:54:44pm

re: #213 Jenner7

Bill Clinton said, “Black Lives Matters are defending the people who kill the lives you say matter,” and also said in defense of the crime bill that “Drug dealers gave crack to 13 yr olds so they could go out and murder other African Americans.”

I’m scratching my head and wondering what was wrong with what he said??

It is politically clumsy.

But I think what he meant was when you say Black lives matter it covers all Black lives and because of issues in the community it may excuse and cover the criminal element in Black communities. Think Chicago. Many people use that city as a picture of Blacks killing Blacks. It glosses over so much to simplify it that much.

He really should not have gone there with that statement. But that is Big Bill. If he had the time he could flesh that out and probably come out the other end in a decent position. I suspect we will be hearing more from him.

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:54:49pm

re: #311 bratwurst

Oh no…I am going to vomit AGAIN…

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Okay, that’s just gross. Ugh.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:55:42pm

re: #314 CuriousLurker

Okay, that’s just gross. Ugh.

I’m waiting for Cruz for President rosary beads.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:55:53pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 2:57:40pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Fuck. Ted. Cruz.

He’s worse than Trump in many ways. Anyhow, I saw that Peter King still hates his guts and isn’t doing the whole unite behind Cruz that many of his fellow establishment types are doing,

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CuriousLurker  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:00:52pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for Cruz for President rosary beads.

Inorite? I’m pretty sure we won’t have to gag over seeing “Cruz for President” prayer rugs though. //

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:01:20pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

He’s worse than Trump in many ways. Anyhow, I saw that Peter King still hates his guts and isn’t doing the whole unite behind Cruz that many of his fellow establishment types are doing,

The funniest thing about the Peter King interview was this (per Hunter at kos)

and that was all off the record by the way. I don’t want anyone listening. That was all off the record.”

Whoops, never mind then. This was one of those off-the-record radio interviews.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:01:45pm

re: #316 BeachDem

Fuck. Ted. Cruz.

Not for a trillion dollars.

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:05:21pm

re: #250 ObserverArt

Again. How many terms did Obama have? I think have seen you say you thought he has been a good president. Are you comparing apples to apples or is Hillary already a rotten tomato in your mind.

I think you are working your dislike for her too much. I bet if you go through the history books you might find she has a lot more political background than many of our fine Presidents.

And don’t discount her in the Whitehouse, She was not just a first lady. She was active. Don’t you remember Hillary care? And what about her law background?

Obama was widely recognized for his lack of experience in DC. Never been a Mayor, Congressman, or Governor. I never said experience was the predictor of success. I named it pretty carefully as one facet among others, named in above comments. Temperament, IQ. I do remember Hilary care, also commented above. Still prefer a utility model to single payer should we get to move past the ACA as is. A law background is a plus, but also very common among legislators with many terms behind them.
Is middling such a negative term when one considers less like Obama or more like career long Legislators or Governors then Senate? Think Ted Kennedy. Harry Reid. Jerry Brown. Four term Gov, plus mayor of a tough town.

Elephant in the room-Trump. That shadow seems to darken even a sincere shot at an objective look at Hilary in a context other than comparative. I’m trying to address HRC apart from all the rest, or perhaps as compared to what I might have preferred, also not available at all this time around.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:07:10pm

re: #318 CuriousLurker

Inorite? I’m pretty sure we won’t have to gag over seeing “Cruz for President” prayer rugs though. //

Heh just as I’m sure, I won’t see an Agnostics for Cruz sticker.

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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:07:42pm

Mark Halperin is a dick.

He is just fine with Bernie doing what he did by saying Hillary is unqualified. No surprise.

Channel changed. I was busy here and left MSNBC on.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:11:46pm

re: #321 Great White Snark

I’m trying to figure out what would make you consider a candidate well-qualified. Apparently you want a career politician, preferably a multiple term Senator and/or governor of a large state. Who agrees with your views (because anything else apparently calls their judgement into question).

Could you provide some clarity there, since you’re trying to hold Hillary up to some ideal that’s really not clear to the rest of us?

(Also, it’s a little frustrating that you seem to have this standard only for the female candidate. You might argue that that’s because she’s the most likely candidate to be elected, but you didn’t do it for Bush when he seemed to be the Republican establishment choice. I’m pretty sure women are used to that, but doesn’t mean that we’re not going to notice when it happens. Just my opinion, at least.)

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jsrtheta  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:12:46pm

re: #13 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Are you referring to one of the wonderful traffic methods we cadged from the British, and which they call roundabouts and we in New England call rotaries?

Only philistines programmed to drive on gridded streets find them at all confusing. The rest of us find them sublimely convenient.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:13:42pm

re: #325 jsrtheta

Are you referring to one of the wonderful traffic methods we cadged from the British, and which they call roundabouts and we in New England call rotaries?

Only philistines programmed to drive on gridded streets find them at all confusing. The rest of us find them sublimely convenient.

If it’s an NJ reference, then it’s a jughandle and not a roundabout.

A response to the fact that left turns at most traffic lights on major roads are not allowed.

Pretty much exclusively a Jersey thing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:15:15pm

re: #321 Great White Snark

Obama was widely recognized for his lack of experience in DC. Never been a Mayor, Congressman, or Governor. I never said experience was the predictor of success. I named it pretty carefully as one facet among others, named in above comments. Temperament, IQ. I do remember Hilary care, also commented above. Still prefer a utility model to single payer should we get to move past the ACA as is. A law background is a plus, but also very common among legislators with many terms behind them.
Is middling such a negative term when one considers less like Obama or more like career long Legislators or Governors then Senate? Think Ted Kennedy. Harry Reid. Jerry Brown. Four term Gov, plus mayor of a tough town.

Elephant in the room-Trump. That shadow seems to darken even a sincere shot at an objective look at Hilary in a context other than comparative. I’m trying to address HRC apart from all the rest, or perhaps as compared to what I might have preferred, also not available at all this time around.

I really think and I mean this with all respect are being unfair to Clinton. She had eight years as a Senator, four years as SoS, and did work on policy in her husband’s WH. The question that ought to be asked is not “Is Hillary Clinton qualified to be President but rather does she have the right qualities to be President” and a lot of what I have seen the past seven years from her leads me to believe “Yes, she is”, that’s a different answer than I would have given you eight years ago.

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jsrtheta  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:20:08pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

I confess that I came to this controversy upon learning of Bernie’s “not qualified” comment without knowing of the misleading WaPo headline. I therefore temper my remarks made elsewhere on this foofaraw and grudgingly retract an equitable 40% of my opprobrium hitherto heaped on Bernie.

And to you, WaPo, Boo, I say! Boo!

(And someone please inform the spellchecker on this site that “foofaraw” is indeed a word, and is indeed spelled as I spelled it. Yrs, Faithful Reader)

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:23:01pm

re: #321 Great White Snark

Obama was widely recognized for his lack of experience in DC. Never been a Mayor, Congressman, or Governor. I never said experience was the predictor of success. I named it pretty carefully as one facet among others, named in above comments. Temperament, IQ. I do remember Hilary care, also commented above. Still prefer a utility model to single payer should we get to move past the ACA as is. A law background is a plus, but also very common among legislators with many terms behind them.
Is middling such a negative term when one considers less like Obama or more like career long Legislators or Governors then Senate? Think Ted Kennedy. Harry Reid. Jerry Brown. Four term Gov, plus mayor of a tough town.

Elephant in the room-Trump. That shadow seems to darken even a sincere shot at an objective look at Hilary in a context other than comparative. I’m trying to address HRC apart from all the rest, or perhaps as compared to what I might have preferred, also not available at all this time around.

Martin O’Malley was Mayor of Baltimore and two-term governor of Maryland. Pretty progressive, smart guy. Barely a blip on the screen in the primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:26:00pm

re: #329 BeachDem

Martin O’Malley was Mayor of Baltimore and two-term governor of Maryland. Pretty progressive, smart guy. Barely a blip on the screen in the primaries.

I really wanted him to do better than he did. But yeah O’Malley had a good record. He was one of the first governors to support SSM and he signed a repeal of the DP. I didn’t catch enough of him and the understanding I have is that he wasn’t charismatic enough. It really is too bad. O’Malley has some flaws I concede but I thought he was an intriguing candidate and one I wish had done better. If Maryland didn’t have a Senate vacancy already being competed for by two very good candidates- Donna Edwards and Chris Van Hollen, I’d suggest cousin Marty run for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:30:17pm

re: #328 jsrtheta

I confess that I came to this controversy upon learning of Bernie’s “not qualified” comment without knowing of the misleading WaPo headline. I therefore temper my remarks made elsewhere on this foofaraw and grudgingly retract an equitable 40% of my opprobrium hitherto heaped on Bernie.

And to you, WaPo, Boo, I say! Boo!

(And someone please inform the spellchecker on this site that “foofaraw” is indeed a word, and is indeed spelled as I spelled it. Yrs, Faithful Reader)

This whole thing is like 90% of the nonsense we see on twitter (and elsewhere) where people don’t bother to read beyond the headline but have to jump in with an opinion immediately.
>squinting sternly at you, Bernie<

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:41:29pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

I really wanted him to do better than he did. But yeah O’Malley had a good record. He was one of the first governors to support SSM and he signed a repeal of the DP. I didn’t catch enough of him and the understanding I have is that he wasn’t charismatic enough. It really is too bad. O’Malley has some flaws I concede but I thought he was an intriguing candidate and one I wish had done better. If Maryland didn’t have a Senate vacancy already being competed for by two very good candidates- Donna Edwards and Chris Van Hollen, I’d suggest cousin Marty run for that.

Strangely enough, when I met them both, I thought O’Malley was a whole lot more charismatic (or, I prefer, personable) than Bernie. He had an excellent stump speech, really got the crowd involved with his close:

And so, when a child with a world of learning ahead asks who you voted for, I want you to be able to tell that child, “I voted for you.”

When you see a dad sweating through another long shift in order to give his daughter a better future, I want you to be able to tell him, “I voted for you.”

When you see a mom working long hours at two jobs for the dream of sending her son to college, I want you to be able to tell her, “I voted for you.”

When you see a young father who hungers for a decent job to support his family, I want you to be able to tell him, “I voted for you.”

The story of our country’s best days is not found in a history book, because this generation of Americans is about to write it!

And that is why today,… to you — and to all who can hear my voice — I declare that I am a candidate for President of the United States….and I’m running for YOU.

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No Country For Old Haters  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:42:11pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:43:15pm

re: #181 Barefoot Grin

It’s always the eternal battle - Skyline or Gold Star ?

(I have no dog/preference in that fight)

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Great White Snark  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:46:51pm

re: #324 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m trying to figure out what would make you consider a candidate well-qualified. Apparently you want a career politician, preferably a multiple term Senator and/or governor of a large state. Who agrees with your views (because anything else apparently calls their judgement into question).

Could you provide some clarity there, since you’re trying to hold Hillary up to some ideal that’s really not clear to the rest of us?

(Also, it’s a little frustrating that you seem to have this standard only for the female candidate. You might argue that that’s because she’s the most likely candidate to be elected, but you didn’t do it for Bush when he seemed to be the Republican establishment choice. I’m pretty sure women are used to that, but doesn’t mean that we’re not going to notice when it happens. Just my opinion, at least.)

First, all I’m defending is a description of her experience. Middling. Not lacking, not huge. What would I consider qualified? I wish Jerry Brown were a bit younger and in it to win it. Lots of executive experience, kind on matters of society, sensible mostly on guns, and fiscally conservative. Can negotiate with union bosses government and private, and legislators on both sides well. That’s a man I would have liked to see run.

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TedStriker  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:49:25pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Yep and they can go fuck themselves for that. John Lewis in a random day of the 1960’s did more for Civil Rights than most of them have their entire lives.

I’ll freely say about myself that, in my 41 years, I haven’t really done dick compared to Lewis; the man (and a lot of others like him) literally went through the School of Hard Knocks on civil rights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:49:28pm

re: #334 Eric The Fruit Bat

It’s always the eternal battle - Skyline or Gold Star ?

(I have no dog/preference in that fight)

I’m on Team GoldStar.
Mr BWS is Team Skyline.
He’s talking on the phone right now with one of our friends (now in SC, but we all went to school together in Greater Cinci)…Dave is Team GoldStar.

(I love anecdotal polling. :D)

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:51:20pm

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m on Team GoldStar.
Mr BWS is Team Skyline.
He’s talking on the phone right now with one of our friends (now in SC, but we all went to school together in Greater Cinci)…Dave is Team GoldStar.

(I love anecdotal polling. :D)

Hmph—I always knew I liked Mr. BWS better! (Team Skyline all the way)
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 3:54:59pm

re: #338 BeachDem

Hmph—I always knew I liked Mr. BWS better! (Team Skyline all the way)
/

He just asked me why Empress Chili wasn’t an option…

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:01:46pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

He just asked me why Empress Chili wasn’t an option…

Not enough locations/exposure (I just had to look it up—never heard of it.) I was sad that on my recent extended stay in Cincinnati, there wasn’t a really convenient Skyline. There was a GoldStar right across the street from where I was working, and I went a few times, but it wasn’t the same. Sniff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:02:53pm

re: #340 BeachDem

Not enough locations/exposure (I just had to look it up—never heard of it.) I was sad that on my recent extended stay in Cincinnati, there wasn’t a really convenient Skyline. There was a GoldStar right across the street from where I was working, and I went a few times, but it wasn’t the same. Sniff.

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:05:18pm

re: #340 BeachDem

Not enough locations/exposure (I just had to look it up—never heard of it.) I was sad that on my recent extended stay in Cincinnati, there wasn’t a really convenient Skyline. There was a GoldStar right across the street from where I was working, and I went a few times, but it wasn’t the same. Sniff.

OK, Dave’s wife got on the phone, she is also team Skyline.
Dave and I cancel out our spouses’ votes.

Mr BWS and Dave have fond memories of Empress Chili, but those are almost childhood memory quality…

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:10:38pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, Dave’s wife got on the phone, she is also team Skyline.
Dave and I cancel out our spouses’ votes.

Mr BWS and Dave have fond memories of Empress Chili, but those are almost childhood memory quality…

Yeah, memories—I believe we had a similar discussion about Izzy’s not too long ago. (Still good, but not what it once was.)

If Dave and wife are in SC, make sure they know that Kroger carries frozen Skyline. I usually buy 6 or 7 boxes at a time, so I always have it on hand. (This ha been a public service from Team Skyline)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:17:36pm

re: #343 BeachDem

They are in Lugoff, SC

Yeah, we’re just now talking about Izzy’s. Also Ollies’s Trolley (oh my, yeah, Ollieburgers!!!!)

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:23:41pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

They are in Lugoff, SC

Yeah, we’re just now talking about Izzy’s. Also Ollies’s Trolley (oh my, yeah, Ollieburgers!!!!)

Not familiar with Ollie’s. Remember, I lived in Columbus, so Cincinnati was just for playing. (BTW—if you’re ever going to spend a getaway weekend in Cinci, we stayed at a fabulous hotel right near the Music Hall. The Over the Rhine area has totally changed from earlier days.)

symphonyhotel.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:31:34pm

re: #345 BeachDem

Not familiar with Ollie’s. Remember, I lived in Columbus, so Cincinnati was just for playing. (BTW—if you’re ever going to spend a getaway weekend in Cinci, we stayed at a fabulous hotel right near the Music Hall. The Over the Rhine area has totally changed from earlier days.)

symphonyhotel.com

MrBWS has an apartment in Cinci.
Back in my younger years I lived in Over the Rhine.
More recently, we were vendors at Findlay Market there.

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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2016 • 4:35:02pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS has an apartment in Cinci.
Back in my younger years I lived in Over the Rhine.
More recently, we were vendors at Findlay Market there.

Well then, I’d suggest going there for dinner. It is really a pretty place (and the manager is a hoot!)

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urbanmeemaw  Apr 7, 2016 • 5:34:15pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love Skyline and am lukewarm towards Gold Star, though when my daughter and family visit from Florida and my brother and his wife come from Dallas it’s Gold Star for all.

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Tigger2005  Apr 7, 2016 • 5:43:48pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

This whole election cycle is fucking terrible. The candidates are awful, the media is awful, partisan hacks on Twitter are awful.

And THIS is supposed to be an exceptional nation?

This campaign is a fucking disgrace to democracy.

I’m sure you’re not including Hillary Clinton among the “awful” candidates. She is one of the finest and most qualified candidates this country has ever had the opportunity to vote for.

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urbanmeemaw  Apr 7, 2016 • 5:50:35pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s on my running route to and from the Linn Street YMCA on my way to Sycamore Hill and Christ Hospital. Meet lots of friendly folks at 5:20am.

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2016 • 7:08:37pm

re: #335 Great White Snark

First, all I’m defending is a description of her experience. Middling. Not lacking, not huge. …

Remember that she was involved the civil rights movement, in the Watergate hearings, in early childhood issues and spent two terms participating in the governance of Arkansas, all before First Lady, Senator and SoS. I know this thread is in the past, but good heavens, I think we have rarely had a more qualified human being running for President.

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Tigger2005  Apr 7, 2016 • 7:50:24pm

re: #335 Great White Snark

First, all I’m defending is a description of her experience. Middling. Not lacking, not huge. What would I consider qualified? I wish Jerry Brown were a bit younger and in it to win it. Lots of executive experience, kind on matters of society, sensible mostly on guns, and fiscally conservative. Can negotiate with union bosses government and private, and legislators on both sides well. That’s a man I would have liked to see run.

I just don’t get people like you.


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