RNC Official Falsely Accuses Clinton of Plagiarism

Another bogus quote hunt
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A few seconds of research reveals that this is not a De Tocqeuville quote, and it’s been used by most presidential candidates. Even if it were De Tocqueville, it’s not unusual to use well worn “Americanisms” like this one in speeches without attribution. Regardless of the missing provenance, politicians have used it repeatedly, from Eisenhower, to Reagan, to present day candidates. I’m not sure why anyone would get worried about a well worn bromide like this one.

By Mark Hensch:

Spicer’s tweet references a portion of Clinton’s Thursday night address where she seemingly paraphrased Alexis de Tocqueville, the political scientist who wrote “Democracy in America.”

“But here’s the sad truth: There is no other Donald — this is it,” Clinton said in Philadelphia. “And in the end, it comes down to what Donald Trump doesn’t get: that America is great — because America is good.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 9:43:58am

The Hill also failed to point out that the phrase “that’s not the America I know” has been used numerous times by numerous people, including POTUS last month, so I guess he was just plagiarizing himself. //

• GWB used it in the aftermath of 9/11.
• Walter Cronkite used it in 1998.
• Civil rights activist Julian Bond used it during the O.J. trial in 1995.
• Bush Sr. used it while campaigning in 1992.

The examples go on & on…

Here’s GWB, six days after 9/11. The phrase is used around 3:30.

US President Bush visits the Islamic Centre - 2001

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nines09  Jul 29, 2016 • 10:48:34am

The GOP shows you they have absolutely nothing to offer every single day. The only thing they have is a hatred of Hillary Clinton. Nothing else. Oh, that and fear, nonstop pandering fear. Fear of the future, the here, the now. The GOP is a ghost ship with a would be dictator at the helm and all they can do is whine. Do nothing. That is their style. You built that.

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Great White Snark  Jul 29, 2016 • 10:54:56am

re: #1 CuriousLurker

The Hill also failed to point out that the phrase “that’s not the America I know” has been used numerous times by numerous people, including POTUS last month, so I guess he was just plagiarizing himself. //

• GWB used it in the aftermath of 9/11.
• Walter Cronkite used it in 1998.
• Civil rights activist Julian Bond used it during the O.J. trial in 1995.
• Bush Sr. used it while campaigning in 1992.

Once again…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:01:27am

You gotta love the smell of desperation in the morning that they can’t attack the content of her speech so they’re going with this. What a sad excuse for a party they really are and especially at all those who are bemoaning that the DNC “stole” from Reagan. Reagan didn’t invent optimism and hoping for better days. Our ancestors did that long before Ronald Reagan was born.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:03:29am

It’s so pathetic how conservatives do this all the time. When they’re caught doing something like plagiarizing a speech or using racist slurs they always immediately do this childish bullshit, looking for anything they can use to accuse liberals of the same thing. And they’ll seize on anything no matter how much of a reach it is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:04:48am

Whose Twitter feed is more insane, Trump or Whiplash?
There is something deeply wrong with this child.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:05:03am

She also said “God Bless America”! She plagiarized our currency!!!!

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BigPapa  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:06:30am

This is a petty new tactic to blunt criticism: get caught doing something bad, be on the lookout to throw it back at your opponent once the opportunity presents itself. Thereby neutralizing the criticism.

Melania got busted for plagiarism. They’ve been looking for something to get a plagiarism charge on Hillary. However specious.

Pathetic.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:06:42am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:07:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:07:24am

hahahahahaaa

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:07:52am

When you got nuthin’, you accuse your opponent of doing the last thing you were nailed for, because you can’t get it out of your mind.

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:08:33am

She used the same letters in her words that Trump did.

PLAGIARISM!!!!

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:11:38am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:15:17am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Ben has to keep amping up the crazy. His audience of rage junkies need their fix and they’re running out of veins they can use, so the junk has to be more extreme.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:15:56am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m old enough to remember that when Demcrats gave speeches like that, the GOP castigated them as not being authentic enough.

That’s still the whiff coming from some of the GOP this today, while the rest are picking up where they left off with the binge drinking last night as they watched Hillary go all flawless victory Mortal Kombat on Trump’s campaign.

Finish HIM! Yeah, she did. And that’s why Trump’s busy today claiming it was such a weak rejoinder (ignoring that his own response is beyond pitiful).

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b.d.  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:16:06am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Ben has to keep amping up the crazy. His audience of rage junkies need their fix and they’re running out of veins they can use, so the junk has to be more extreme.

Shouldn’t he be out looking for a job rather than trolling on the Twitter machine all day?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:16:14am
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BigPapa  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:16:15am

We all immediately saw it as a No You Fallacy. LGF is a Chump Free zone. Except for you louts who like pineapple or your strident pizza.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:17:13am

New Twitter to follow==>

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:17:16am
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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:18:25am

Speaking of absurd accusations, can someone tell me where all this rubbish about Hillary being a warmonger came from? I just discovered someone I used to know (and considered sane) has become a BoB Jill Stein supporter, claiming that Hillary is worse than Dick Cheney!!!1!! -_-

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:19:22am

Wingnuts seem to think it is a GOTCHA to point out that Victoria Woodhull was a “Presidential Candidate” in 1872. While at the same time loudly proclaiming that DONALD TRUMP GOT TEH MOAST VOATS OF ANY PRIMARY CANDIDATE EVER!!!!!! (other than Hillary who got 2 million more primary votes)

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:19:38am

re: #22 Interesting Times

Speaking of absurd accusations, can someone tell me where all this rubbish about Hillary being a warmonger came from? I just discovered someone I used to know (and considered sane) has become a BoB Jill Stein supporter, claiming that Hillary is worse than Dick Cheney!!!1!! -_-

She has a record, therefore she’s a warmonger. And they’re considering her in isolation, rather than comparing her to every other Democratic president in history.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:19:46am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

What I love about the GOP reaction to the DNC is that it was so utterly predictable.

RNC last week: “DOOM! GLOOM! DISASTER! ONLY TRUMP CAN FIX IT ALL!”

Republicans last week: “Trump killed my party. This isn’t what I signed up for. #NeverTrump

DNC all this week: “Trump is batshit crazy and unqualified. Let’s all work together to defeat him. Come on in, Republicans. The water’s fine.”

Republicans today: “HILLARY WASN’T REPUBLICAN ENOUGH FOR ME. SHE DIDN’T SMILE ENOUGH. #NeverHillary

Idiots, all of them.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:20:33am

The rain stopped at the border.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:20:52am

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts seem to think it is a GOTCHA to point out that Victoria Woodhull was a “Presidential Candidate” in 1872. While at the same time loudly proclaiming that DONALD TRUMP GOT TEH MOAST VOATS OF ANY PRIMARY CANDIDATE EVER!!!!!! (other than Hillary who got 2 million more primary votes)

Which is why everyone is saying “major party” which is important because no other candidate has a chance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:24:26am

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts seem to think it is a GOTCHA to point out that Victoria Woodhull was a “Presidential Candidate” in 1872. While at the same time loudly proclaiming that DONALD TRUMP GOT TEH MOAST VOATS OF ANY PRIMARY CANDIDATE EVER!!!!!! (other than Hillary who got 2 million more primary votes)

PRetty funny considering they were bragging about Mia Love. Oh your party elected a black woman to Congress. That’s nice guys. The Democrats had a balck woman who was a presidential candidate before Mia was even born. But hey, tell us more about how the parties were when our great great grandparents were children, I hadn’t heard!

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:25:15am

“I believe in science!” ::giggle::

Love it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:25:55am

I didn’t know these facts from the 4th Circuit’s opinion enjoining NC’s new Jim Crow law. The GOP’s chutzpah is staggering:

African Americans were poised to act as a major electoral force. But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed African American support) announced an intention to enact what he characterized as an “omnibus” election law. Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.
Appeal: 16-1468 Doc: 150 Filed: 07/29/2016 Pg: 10 of 83

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:26:00am

re: #22 Interesting Times

Speaking of absurd accusations, can someone tell me where all this rubbish about Hillary being a warmonger came from? I just discovered someone I used to know (and considered sane) has become a BoB Jill Stein supporter, claiming that Hillary is worse than Dick Cheney!!!1!! -_-

Her Iraq vote and her support of the Libyan intervention as SoS, never mind the context in which she made those two decisions.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:27:28am

re: #22 Interesting Times

Speaking of absurd accusations, can someone tell me where all this rubbish about Hillary being a warmonger came from? I just discovered someone I used to know (and considered sane) has become a BoB Jill Stein supporter, claiming that Hillary is worse than Dick Cheney!!!1!! -_-

As far as I can tell, the only substance behind this accusation is the fact that she doesn’t categorically rule out military action in some circumstances where there’s no other option. It’s a bizarre viewpoint of the far left that a president should be someone who hates the military and will never, ever use military force.

I wish we lived in a world where that would be possible. We’d be eating gumdrops all day and riding our unicorns through sparkly skies, and no one would ever be sad.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:28:02am

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:28:23am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:28:29am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

As far as I can tell, the only substance behind this accusation is the fact that she doesn’t categorically rule out military action in some circumstances where there’s no other option. It’s a bizarre viewpoint of the far left that a president should be someone who hates the military and will never, ever use military force.

I wish we lived in a world where that would be possible. We’d be eating gumdrops all day and riding our unicorns through sparkly skies, and no one would ever be sad.

The far left has no clue how foreign policy works at all. What’s really unfortuante is some of them buy the crap about Russia being scapegaoted.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:29:35am

Deutsches Wort des Tages (German Word Of The Day)

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:29:58am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

As far as I can tell, the only substance behind this accusation is the fact that she doesn’t categorically rule out military action in some circumstances where there’s no other option. It’s a bizarre viewpoint of the far left that a president should be someone who hates the military and will never, ever use military force.

I wish we lived in a world where that would be possible. We’d be eating gumdrops all day and riding our unicorns through sparkly skies, and no one would ever be sad.

Also consider that this nutbag (Stein) thinks the Coast Guard is the only “military” we should have.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:30:17am

She’s no more a “warmonger” than Joe Biden who also voted to authorize war in Iraq.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:30:56am

re: #33 MsJ

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:30:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:31:06am

re: #38 gocart mozart

She’s no more a “warmonger” than Joe Biden who also voted to authorize war in Iraq.

To be fair, they hate Biden too. What’s weird though is many of them loved John Edwards the 2008 version including Susan Sarandon.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:31:42am

re: #40 Jenner7

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She was probably talking about you during that shot.

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:31:44am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:31:56am

Trump’s not even a good troll.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:32:17am

re: #22 Interesting Times

Speaking of absurd accusations, can someone tell me where all this rubbish about Hillary being a warmonger came from? I just discovered someone I used to know (and considered sane) has become a BoB Jill Stein supporter, claiming that Hillary is worse than Dick Cheney!!!1!! -_-

One brainless leftist (or isolationist paleocon) started it, the other brainless leftists parroted it. That’s how lies get spread.

Iraq vote? I don’t remember people accusing Kerry of warmongering (quite the contrary). Libya, Syria? Intervention was justified. What else? Something about Honduras which I will frankly won’t even follow up so ridiculous it is.

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:32:34am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

The far left has no clue how foreign policy works at all. What’s really unfortuante is some of them buy the crap about Russia being scapegaoted.

I almost believe that the anti-war left seems to think that only the U.S. engages in imperialism. It’s like they don’t know about European neocolonialism or Russian and Chinese expansionism.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:33:01am

re: #43 wrenchwench

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And that really is what Michelle was trying to say. Michelle and I have that in common though, my second great grandfather was probably born in a cabin too but he was born free at least.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:33:30am

re: #46 No Depression

I almost believe that the anti-war left seems to think that only the U.S. engages in imperialism. It’s like they don’t know about European neocolonialism or Russian and Chinese expansionism.

indeed.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:34:30am

Do you remember the far-left freaking out about Putin’s bombing of Syrian civilians?

Me neither.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:34:32am

do you think anyone would have even thought of doing this if the “other” thing didnt happen last week?

of course not.

this is why i (and probably only I) dont think the server things was an “error” decision at the time it was made. it was turned into an error because the r’s decided to make it one

so she had to apologize for something no one cared about at the time

and likely would never have if not for benghazi

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Dave In Austin  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:35:21am
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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:36:12am

re: #20 The Vicious Babushka

In the same vein, an oldie:

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:36:50am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Whose Twitter feed is more insane, Trump or Whiplash?
There is something deeply wrong with this child.

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Ben dug himself deep into a hole with his own base when he pretended to have scruples and opposed Trump based on the campaign’s tolerance of anti-semitism and let Breitbart over their treatment of Fields. His natural inclination is to be a dick to Democrats but I think he’s laying it on a bit thick to try and claw his way back into the far right’s good graces.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:37:54am

re: #46 No Depression

I almost believe that the anti-war left seems to think that only the U.S. engages in imperialism. It’s like they don’t know about European neocolonialism or Russian and Chinese expansionism.

Are you kidding? Those two sentences will send them Googling meaning for an hour.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:38:38am

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Twice. Hillary exceeded Trump’s tally twice. In 2008, when she lost to Obama and 2016, when she defeated Bernie by 4 million.

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:40:08am

re: #49 Nyet

Do you remember the far-left freaking out about Putin’s bombing of Syrian civilians?

Me neither.

I guess they think that sweeping stuff like that under the rug is justified if it means that the U.S. avoids confrontation.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:40:23am

re: #45 Nyet

One brainless leftist (or isolationist paleocon) started it, the other brainless leftists parroted it. That’s how lies get spread.

Iraq vote? I don’t remember people accusing Kerry of warmongering (quite the contrary). Lybia, Syria? Intervention was justified. What else? Something about Honduras which I will frankly won’t even follow up so ridiculous it is.

its not a thing till some clever one decides to make it a thing. then it’s a thing for everyone. so by that new definition kerry would be a warmonger.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:40:38am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

Deutsches Wort des Tages (German Word Of The Day)

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Upding for the science of human visual perception.

That’s my shit!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:40:55am

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Ben dug himself deep into a hole with his own base when he pretended to have scruples and opposed Trump based on the campaigns tolerance of anti-semitism and let Breitbart over their treatment of Fields. His natural inclination is to be a dick to Democrats but I think he’s laying it on a bit thick to try and claw his way back into the far right’s good graces.

HE hates liberals more tahn he hates the NAzis on teh right, that much is clear ot me.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:41:31am

re: #52 Nyet

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:41:37am

You don’t often get Sophie’s choice in your life. Libya and Syria were such choices where no alternative was good. Just as well people would be complaining today about the rebels murdered by Qaddafi had the US and allies not intervened.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:41:42am

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Upding for the science of human visual perception.

That’s my shit!

Did you see this page? littlegreenfootballs.com

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:42:50am

re: #45 Nyet

One brainless leftist (or isolationist paleocon) started it, the other brainless leftists parroted it. That’s how lies get spread.

Iraq vote? I don’t remember people accusing Kerry of warmongering (quite the contrary). Lybia, Syria? Intervention was justified. What else? Something about Honduras which I will frankly won’t even follow up so ridiculous it is.

I swear, if I didn’t know her already, I’d think she was the latest member of Putin’s troll army:

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:43:37am

Most self-dealing candidate ever!

“…Asked on CNN in March if he’d be interested in opening a hotel there, Donald Trump said yes: “I would, I would—at the right time, when we’re allowed to do it. Right now, we’re not.” On July 26 he told Miami’s CBS affiliate, WFOR-TV, that “Cuba would be a good opportunity [but] I think the timing is not right.”

That, however, hasn’t stopped some of his closest aides from traveling to Cuba for years and scouting potential sites and investments. The U.S. trade embargo, first established in 1962, prohibits U.S. citizens from traveling to the island. But over the years, the U.S. has carved out allowances for family visits, journalism, and other social causes. Most commercial activity is still forbidden, though, with a few exceptions, such as selling medical supplies or food. Golf isn’t on that list

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:44:15am

re: #61 Nyet

You don’t often get Sophie’s choice in your life. Libya and Syria were such choices where no alternative was good. Just as well people would be complaining today about the rebels murdered by Qaddafi had the US and allies not intervened.

Way too nuanced for the Bomb Them All and Kumbaya crowds. If it doesn’t fit into a tweet it’s too much information, boring, hard to follow.

Let’s imagine Trump dealing with this.

No, god no. I can’t do that without seriously wanting to off myself. It’s too terrifying even for imagination.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:45:16am

re: #63 Interesting Times

Forget it, Jake. It’s Jilltown.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:45:28am

re: #49 Nyet

Do you remember the far-left freaking out about Putin’s bombing of Syrian civilians?

Me neither.

They couldn’t hear the news through their drum circle

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No Country For Old Haters  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:46:23am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Whose Twitter feed is more insane, Trump or Whiplash?
There is something deeply wrong with this child.

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Like most wingnuts, Ben confused the basic human right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy with infanticide, and went completely bonkers. If there was some way to cure this delusion, the Republicans would be unelectable.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:46:39am

re: #65 MsJ

“Nuke’em all and let God sort them out.”

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:46:58am

One thing I’m glad this country will be getting ‘back to’ with this election: Back to the times of the President being older than me.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:48:24am

re: #45 Nyet

One brainless leftist (or isolationist paleocon) started it, the other brainless leftists parroted it. That’s how lies get spread.

Iraq vote? I don’t remember people accusing Kerry of warmongering (quite the contrary). Lybia, Syria? Intervention was justified. What else? Something about Honduras which I will frankly won’t even follow up so ridiculous it is.

They did accuse Kerry of warmongering. The far left never liked KErry but I concede he was more easily forgiven than Clinton has and the same with Edwards.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:50:38am

re: #63 Interesting Times

I swear, if I didn’t know her already, I’d think she was the latest member of Putin’s troll army:

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Ugh, she’s RT @JaredWyand? Automatic #block trigger.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:50:45am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Maybe. They of course think Obama and Biden are warmongers too. But I can’t even grant them that they are consistent because they make out Clinton to be some sort of a superwarmonger the likes of which the US has never known before. Ridiculous people.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:50:52am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

It’s so pathetic how conservatives do this all the time. When they’re caught doing something like plagiarizing a speech or using racist slurs they always immediately do this childish bullshit, looking for anything they can use to accuse liberals of the same thing. And they’ll seize on anything no matter how much of a reach it is.

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It is a reach for you and others that are well read and thinking.

Those comments are not geared toward you and others that know better.

They are geared for the people that have never read anything like a De Tocqeuville.

They might not even be geared to those that read Dr. Seuss…still too heavy a read.

Trump is mining the dirt and finding the dregs of society, conning even them and hoping that will get him a victory.

Sad. Low energy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:52:32am

The irony though? Most of the far left types I know venerate FDR as what the Democratic Party should be. I like FDR too but he has some very negative things on his record that they ignore. What makes nostalgia wonderful I guess is not having to live it. I’ve seen the point made that many African-American and racial minority progressives have a more pragmatic approach because they know what it’s actually like to not to get everything you want on the first try.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:52:40am
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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:53:06am

re: #8 SoundGuy 2016

This is a petty new tactic to blunt criticism: get caught doing something bad, be on the lookout to throw it back at your opponent once the opportunity presents itself. Thereby neutralizing the criticism.

Melania got busted for plagiarism. They’ve been looking for something to get a plagiarism charge on Hillary. However specious.

Pathetic.

A campaign run by terrible two-year olds.

No offense to real terrible two year olds. They stand a good chance of growing out of their behavior. Trump…not so much.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:53:36am

re: #73 Nyet

Maybe. They of course think Obama and Biden are warmongers too. But I can’t even grant them that they are consistent because they make out Clinton to be some sort of a superwarmonger the likes of which the US has never known before. Ridiculous people.

They’er definitely not consistent. Just wanted to tell you, I do remember people calling Kerry a war-mongrel. And Lieberman was hated even before he fucked over Obama. Their problem is they have no idea how the world actually is.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:54:06am

Spotted this dumbassery in my timeline… that Hillary got endorsed by some KKK and got $20k donation. How stupid do you have to be to buy any of that nonsense?

There’s no way any white supremacist or KKK group would support Hillary and Democrats over Trump. None of the KKK positions align with Democrats. None.

Trump’s their dream candidate, and believing that Trump has a toupee isn’t going to cause anyone to shift their vote when it’s a race-based decision on the part of the KKK.

Snopes give that way too much credit by calling it improbable.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:54:09am

re: #76 Kragar

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Yeah, I have a “real question”, how the fuck did you get a MD believe kooky shit like that?

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:54:18am

Trump’s campaign is run by the same guy who ran Yanukovych’s campaign.

Do they want the same fate for him and the US?

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:54:56am

re: #79 lawhawk

snopes.com

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:55:07am

This is a good article, very interesting.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:56:02am

re: #76 Kragar

Another question people ask: What is the schedule of immunization that doctors recommend for maximum protection?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:56:21am

re: #79 lawhawk

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Spotted this dumbassery in my timeline… that Hillary got endorsed by some KKK and got $20k donation. How stupid do you have to be to buy any of that nonsense?

There’s no way any white supremacist or KKK group would support Hillary and Democrats over Trump. None of the KKK positions align with Democrats. None.

Trump’s their dream candidate, and believing that Trump has a toupee isn’t going to cause anyone to shift their vote when it’s a race-based decision on the part of the KKK.

Snopes give that way too much credit by calling it improbable.

It’s like how they happily point to Byrd as “proof” that the Dems are the real racists and ignore that Byrd was respected by both parties, far from a liberal, and in fact actually considered for the USSC by Nixon. And they of course ignore that they had Jesse Helms who vowed to make Carol Mosely Braun cry by whistling Dixie. Byrd to his credit owned up to his past. Helms never did so publicly or privately. He died an unrependent bigoted.

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:56:37am

re: #81 Nyet

Trump’s campaign is run by the same guy who ran Yanukovych’s campaign.

Do they want the same fate for him and the US?

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:56:39am

re: #82 Nyet

Yup. That’s in there - and the article calls it unproven. I’d say that it’s not just improbable but bullshit.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:57:18am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

To be fair, they hate Biden too. What’s weird though is many of them loved John Edwards the 2008 version including Susan Sarandon.

Who also voted for the Iraq war and was a moderate to conservative Senator from North Carolina before he turned himself into a progressive in 2008

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:58:46am

re: #86 Interesting Times

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I doubt it. Hacking is one thing; launching a terrorist attack is an act of war. That’s tinfoil hat territory.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:58:57am

They want to believe the KKK would endorse Clinton because they know they hate the KKK and they know they hate Clinton so ergo they must be in cahoots. It’s how so many of them were able to convince themselves that Saddam and Bin Laden were buddies. It’s also how we get brilliant things like this.

McBain Under Attack by Commie-Nazis

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:58:58am

re: #86 Interesting Times

The risk of a “direct” ff seems to be too big if it gets uncovered. So unlikely.

That said, I can’t exclude nudging some existing groups in this direction…

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 11:59:37am
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Thanos  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:00:34pm

The Hill fixed their article to include the Weekly standard article, so earlier I edited the part about them out. This is one of those “wish I’d taken a screeny” days.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:00:49pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

THINK OF TEH ILL-EAGLES

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Teukka  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:01:12pm

re: #81 Nyet

Trump’s campaign is run by the same guy who ran Yanukovych’s campaign.

Do they want the same fate for him and the US?

Trump fleeing the US on board a chopper headed for Russia?

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:01:31pm

re: #72 CuriousLurker

Ugh, she’s RT @JaredWyand? Automatic #block trigger.

Blech, hadn’t heard of him until now. To spare me the pain of further trudging through his twitter feed, is there something else significant about him, e.g. he’s a rage-furby/james o’keefe type?

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:01:35pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

They want to believe the KKK would endorse Clinton because they know they hate the KKK and they know they hate Clinton so ergo they must be in cahoots. It’s how so many of them were able to convince themselves that Saddam and Bin Laden were buddies. It’s also how we get brilliant things like this.

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You mean just like when I was about 8 years old and figured the Nazis and the Communists must be friends because they were both bad? I learned better. Pity they can’t.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:01:39pm

I did like hearing that Jeffrey Lord says the Democrats should apologize for slavery when their VP pick in fact did just that as mayor of the former capital of the Confederacy. Not to mention usually when things like slavery, the treatment of American Indians, etc IS apologized for people like Douchelord are on hand to complain about “PC run amok.”

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:01:58pm

re: #95 Teukka

GET TO DA CHOPPA!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:02:33pm

re: #97 calochortus

You mean just like when I was about 8 years old and figured the Nazis and the Communists must be friends because they were both bad? I learned better. Pity they can’t.

Yep, I mean they haven’t learned to look at things beyond an 8 year old’s geo-political comprehension.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:03:42pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

We saw 3 trucks, each with a single blade, on the freeway in Washington. Those things are enormous. Even seeing them on a turbine doesn’t really impress you the same way because there’s nothing for scale like being on a road with cars.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:05:41pm

re: #88 gocart mozart

Who also voted for the Iraq war and was a moderate to conservative Senator from North Carolina before he turned himself into a progressive in 2008

I think what it is with the puregressives, they love candidates who kiss their ass. You’re right about Edwards, not only did he vote for the Iraq War but he was staunchly hawkish. I won’t deny that Clinton, Kerry, and Biden too but they were definitely having a much more cautious tone. And yep Edwards was part of that same hated DLC that used to be the puregressive boogeyman for a long time. The irony is that the Democratic Party is probably more progressive now than it’s ever been. I mean when you look at how helped shape the platform, it is quite telling. Of course, they think Barney Frank is sellout now now which I find hlilarious.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:07:07pm

We are a party that welcomes transgendered people, Muslims, black ministers, and so many more. Oh, I’m supposed to feel bad because some obnoxious assholes who couldn’t accept their candidate lost didn’t get nominated?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:07:29pm

One of my favorite quotes:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:08:31pm

re: #101 calochortus

We saw 3 trucks, each with a single blade, on the freeway in Washington. Those things are enormous. Even seeing them on a turbine doesn’t really impress you the same way because there’s nothing for scale like being on a road with cars.

Driving on I-80 across Nebraska last week, my son and I saw one planted at a rest stop, in NE’s windfarm zone. The blade towered over the buildings like a skyscraper.

And yes, I am in the USA now and mostly been too busy to comment here much.

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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:08:33pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

Dios mio, that’s one big blade!!

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:09:25pm

Great speech by Hillary. It’s too bad that Berners had to interrupt, but good on the crowd for getting them to shut it.

Turns out, the protests and tantrums didn’t amount to a hill of beans. This was a successful convention for Democrats. As Dean says, “YEEHAAW!”

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:10:07pm

re: #106 Jay C

Dios mio, that’s one big blade!!

That’s how we know it’s not Trump’s.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:11:06pm

re: #86 Interesting Times

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:11:14pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

What’s happening to this country has happened before, in other nations, in other anxious, violent times when all the old certainties peeled away and maniacs took the wheel. It’s what happens when weaponised insincerity is applied to structured ignorance. Donald Trump is the Gordon Gekko of the attention economy, but even he is no longer in control. This culture war is being run in bad faith by bad actors who are running way off-script, and it’s barely begun, and there are going to be a lot of refugees.

The last paragraph of that Milo article. medium.com

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:11:44pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

One thing I’m glad this country will be getting ‘back to’ with this election: Back to the times of the President being older than me.

I haven’t had that yet. Obama is one month older than me.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:11:45pm

re: #96 Interesting Times

Blech, hadn’t heard of him until now. To spare me the pain of further trudging through his twitter feed, is there something else significant about him, e.g. he’s a rage-furby/james o’keefe type?

You mean besides him being an obvious racist & bigot/Islamophobe? I dunno, those things were enough for me.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:12:27pm

538 has something for everybody.

Polls-plus forecast
What polls, the economy and historical data tell us about Nov. 8

Hillary Clinton
61.7%
Donald Trump
38.3%

Polls-only forecast
What polls alone tell us about Nov. 8

Hillary Clinton
53.3%
Donald Trump
46.7%

Now-cast
Who would win an election today

Hillary Clinton
48.4%
Donald Trump
51.6%

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

I have seen those crossing the Canadian border. They are a thing to behold, they are really, REALLY big.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:12:28pm

re: #107 Jenner7

Great speech by Hillary. It’s too bad that Berners had to interrupt, but good on the crowd for getting them to shut it.

Turns out, the protests and tantrums didn’t amount to a hill of beans. This was a successful convention for Democrats. As Dean says, “YEEHAAW!”

Most of the delegates had received a list of chants to do whenever the Busters tried to start their own. And Clinton must have been told to just keep talking. That why you heard chants in some weird places sometimes.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:15:47pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I have a “real question”, how the fuck did you get a MD believe kooky shit like that?

What do you call a person that graduated dead last in medical school?
Doctor.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:16:07pm

re: #113 Nyet

538 has something for everybody.

Polls-plus forecast
What polls, the economy and historical data tell us about Nov. 8

Hillary Clinton
61.7%
Donald Trump
38.3%

Polls-only forecast
What polls alone tell us about Nov. 8

Hillary Clinton
53.3%
Donald Trump
46.7%

Now-cast
Who would win an election today

Hillary Clinton
48.4%
Donald Trump
51.6%

I’ve been watching the trends. Earlier in the week, Trump got as high as 55% in the nowcast, but the last couple of days he’s been gradually dropping so that the race is basically even. Next week Hillary should get her bounce. Then by around Labor Day things should settle down and we’ll have a better sense of how the race actually stands going into the final two months when lots of people start paying attention.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:04pm

This Nazi piece of shit replies to every single tweet from Donald Trump, and Trump has RTed him a bunch of times.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:37pm

Even someone as obnoxious as Fournier recognizes this:

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:40pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

Ben dug himself deep into a hole with his own base when he pretended to have scruples and opposed Trump based on the campaign’s tolerance of anti-semitism and let Breitbart over their treatment of Fields. His natural inclination is to be a dick to Democrats but I think he’s laying it on a bit thick to try and claw his way back into the far right’s good graces.

A wannabe kapo is unpopular all around. Who would have guessed?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:40pm

re: #115 Belafon

Most of the delegates had received a list of chants to do whenever the Busters tried to start their own. And Clinton must have been told to just keep talking. That why you heard chants in some weird places sometimes.

I was watching Panetta’s speech, and he just got completely thrown off by the chanting.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:45pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

This Nazi piece of shit replies to every single tweet from Donald Trump, and Trump has RTed him a bunch of times.

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Trump loves Nazis.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:17:59pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Does he have a diary? /

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:18:28pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

Upding for the science of human visual perception.

That’s my shit!

Cool!

Do you ever get into the minds of artists and how they can envision what they are trying to create?

As a designer and even a fine artist (paining and drawing classes in college), I can sometimes see a logo or a drawing before I even put pencil to paper, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:18:40pm

re: #121 Big Beautiful Door

I was watching Panetta’s speech, and he just got completely thrown off by the chanting.

They were chanting no more war when they should have been listening why Trump is dangerous on foreign policy. They apparently got obnoxious during General Allen’s speech too.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:19:13pm

Rumor has it that a member of my book club strongly supports Trump. I’d love to know why, but she isn’t someone I see often, and if I went out of my way to contact her, it would be obvious we’d been talking about her. Besides there’s no polite way to ask her if she’s on crack, or what?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:19:37pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

They were chanting no more war when they should have been listening why Trump is dangerous on foreign policy. They apparently got obnoxious during General Allen’s speech too.

The General just powered right through it like a Panzer Division.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:21:05pm

re: #126 calochortus

Rumor has it that a member of my book club strongly supports Trump. I’d love to know why, but she isn’t someone I see often, and if I went out of my way to contact her, it would be obvious we’d been talking about her. Besides there’s no polite way to ask her if she’s on crack, or what?

Before the election, your club could select a Trump book and a Hillary book to read and discuss, then you could find out in the natural course of the discussion.

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:21:46pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

You mean besides him being an obvious racist & bigot/Islamophobe? I dunno, those things were enough for me.

I just wondered if he was “famous” for something. But yeah…now I’m understanding how Lizards with wingnut friends/relatives must feel : /

Forget zika; it’s the Bad Crazy Virus® causing a pandemic in the US…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:22:42pm
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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:22:52pm
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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:23:28pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:23:46pm

re: #128 Big Beautiful Door

Before the election, your club could select a Trump book and a Hillary book to read and discuss, then you could find out in the natural course of the discussion.

It doesn’t quite work that way (host presents 3 books 2 months ahead of the meeting. We vote.) The books for the pre-election meetings have been selected. Also, until someone I know chatted with her, I’m sure none of us had a clue as to her political proclivities.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:04pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

The irony though? Most of the far left types I know venerate FDR as what the Democratic Party should be. I like FDR too but he has some very negative things on his record that they ignore. What makes nostalgia wonderful I guess is not having to live it. I’ve seen the point made that many African-American and racial minority progressives have a more pragmatic approach because they know what it’s actually like to not to get everything you want on the first try.

Or ever.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:34pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

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This is a good article, very interesting.

Horrifying, actually.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:41pm

re: #86 Interesting Times

re: #91 Nyet

The risk of a “direct” ff seems to be too big if it gets uncovered. So unlikely.

That said, I can’t exclude nudging some existing groups in this direction…

I had the same thought, especially since Putin’s so cozy with Kadyrov and I keep hearing about “Russian” (Chechen) fighters joining Da’esh. A fairly recent article:

Chechnya’s ISIS Problem - The New Yorker

Also, the last thing Da’esh wants is peaceful coexistence between Muslims and the West. That’s not coming from me, it’s coming straight from them. From one of my pages earlier in the week:

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At this point I’m basically expecting something to happen here between now & November 8. I would love nothing more than to be wrong.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:49pm
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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:51pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

Evil and stupid.

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whitebeach  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:24:53pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

One thing I’m glad this country will be getting ‘back to’ with this election: Back to the times of the President being older than me.

Go ahead, rub it in, ageist blastocyst.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:25:49pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

Or ever.

Certainly. We saw quotes from people who were old enough to remember Jim Crow after Obama got elected. It’s that kind of stuff that infuriates me when the Sanders campaign talked about how Bernie would be a great unifer on race. There was just so much tone deafness on that stuff from that campaign.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:26:33pm

Jill Stein is not much better than Donald Trump.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:27:59pm

Hillary justifiably compared Putin’s action in Ukraine to Hitler’s.
No doubt he hates her guts.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:28:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:29:00pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

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I can’t believe that was 20 years ago.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:29:13pm

re: #81 Nyet

Trump’s campaign is run by the same guy who ran Yanukovych’s campaign.

Do they want the same fate for him and the US?

Heh, Your comment reminds me of the days the Ukrainians got to go through Yanukovych’s property and see all the outrageous fittings, his throne toilet etc.

Very Trump-like.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:29:39pm

re: #142 Nyet

Hillary justifiably compared Putin’s action in Ukraine to Hitler’s.
No doubt he hates her guts.

He’s just awful. Clinton’s response alone compared to Stein’s is why I trust Clinton more.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:29:47pm

re: #133 calochortus

It doesn’t quite work that way (host presents 3 books 2 months ahead of the meeting. We vote.) The books for the pre-election meetings have been selected. Also, until someone I know chatted with her, I’m sure none of us had a clue as to her political proclivities.

Also, you’d have to read a Donald Trump book. I’m sure there are better things you could do with your time.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:29:48pm

re: #131 Kragar

Someone should suggest to Republicans that anyone running for president must be required to release 5 years of returns in order to be a candidate in the Republican primary.

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Jack Burton  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:30:08pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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I think you dreamed that. They have always been against nuclear power and I’m pretty sure they have always been against GMO farming as well.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:30:32pm

re: #148 Belafon

Someone should suggest to Republicans that anyone running for president must be required to release 5 years of returns in order to be a candidate in the Republican primary.

Let’s make it a suggestion for both parties.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:31:12pm

re: #150 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Let’s make it a suggestion for both parties.

I wonder which one will consider it?

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:31:28pm

re: #117 Big Beautiful Door

I’ve been watching the trends. Earlier in the week, Trump got as high as 55% in the nowcast, but the last couple of days he’s been gradually dropping so that the race is basically even. Next week Hillary should get her bounce. Then by around Labor Day things should settle down and we’ll have a better sense of how the race actually stands going into the final two months when lots of people start paying attention.

I swear, for sanity sake, I am going to need to completely weed myself off of the internet for a period. I don’t know if my nerves can take it.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:31:44pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

He’s just awful. Clinton’s response alone compared to Stein’s is why I trust Clinton more.

She’s from the “always blame the US, right or wrong” crowd.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:32:20pm

re: #153 Nyet

She’s from the “always blame the US, right or wrong” crowd.

Yep.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:32:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:33:34pm
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Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:33:37pm

re: #152 MsJ

I swear, for sanity sake, I am going to need to completely weed myself off of the internet for a period. I don’t know if my nerves can take it.

To their credit, the 538 folks have basically told you exactly this.

When you think your mathematical model is fucked short-term, you shouldn’t “unskew” it. You should say that it’s fucked and you should explain why. They do a damn good job of that.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:33:44pm

re: #149 Jack Burton

I think you dreamed that. They have always been against nuclear power and I’m pretty sure they have always been against GMO farming as well.

That shows how much attention I pay to the Green Party. Approximately zero.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:34:38pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

That shows how much attention I pay to the Green Party. Approximately zero.

Which to be honest is how much attention they should get.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:35:09pm

re: #157 Testy Toad T

To their credit, the 538 folks have basically told you exactly this.

When you think your mathematical model is fucked short-term, you shouldn’t “unskew” it. You should say that it’s fucked and you should explain why. They do a damn good job of that.

Also, like it’s been said a bunch, the polls right now aren’t terribly useful. Wait until Labor Day and look more at the state polling than the national polling.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:36:33pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Which to be honest is how much attention they should get.

It would be good to have a responsible “far-left” and a responsible right party in the US. Neither seems possible… Only the Dems are sane (on average).

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:37:01pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I expect Trump to win Missouri in the end, but if he has to spend money or time there, those are resources he can’t devote to swing states which will decide the election.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:37:07pm

re: #161 Nyet

It would be good to have a responsible “far-left” and a responsible right party in the US. Neither seems possible… Only the Dems are sane (on average).

It would be yes.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:37:34pm

re: #162 Big Beautiful Door

I expect Trump to win Missouri in the end, but if he has to spend money or time there, those are resources he can’t devote to swing states which will decide the election.

I expect the same thing with Georgia and Utah.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:37:49pm

re: #107 Jenner7

Great speech by Hillary. It’s too bad that Berners had to interrupt, but good on the crowd for getting them to shut it.

Turns out, the protests and tantrums didn’t amount to a hill of beans. This was a successful convention for Democrats. As Dean says, “YEEHAAW!”

I’ve read some Berners that are claiming the Democrats have lost over half the party vote now because of Hillary and Kaine.

I guess that was based on their stating over half of the attendees at the convention left. And then they showed the tweet video that one guy had showing the empty hall. Proof!

I asked one person how that could be if Hillary had more than half the delegates?

Crickets. Chirp. Chirp.

And then the house was more than packed last night.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:37:50pm

HW, you’ll like this:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:38:17pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

That quote is so much a dad quote. OMG.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:38:18pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

50 state strategy FTW!

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:39:01pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

Liking the guy more each day.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:39:21pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I expect the same thing with Georgia and Utah.

On the other hand, if Hillary can win those states, it could be the kind of historic landslide we are hoping for that might even deliver a House majority to the Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:40:07pm

re: #165 ObserverArt

I’ve read some Berners that are claiming the Democrats have lost over half the party vote now because of Hillary and Kaine.

I guess that was based on their stating over half of the attendees at the convention left. And then they showed the tweet video that one guy had showing the empty hall. Proof!

I asked one person how that could be if Hillary had more than half the delegates?

Crickets. Chirp. Chirp.

And then the house was more than packed last night.

They’re idiots. They’re completely out of touch with reality. They’re already saying that somehow the Dem Party fucked up because Clinton polls closer to Bernie than Trump. Someone here made a good point, Bernie’s oolls against Trump aren’t his floor, they’re his ceiling. Bernie hadn’t gotten attacked by the Republicans at all and there would be stuff that Republicans would go after him that the Clinton campaign did not and whether they like it or not, it would work. And besides, we don’t choose our candidates based on hypothetical polls. We choose them based on what we think is based.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:40:26pm

re: #157 Testy Toad T

To their credit, the 538 folks have basically told you exactly this.

When you think your mathematical model is fucked short-term, you shouldn’t “unskew” it. You should say that it’s fucked and you should explain why. They do a damn good job of that.

Nate’s model this year has been incredibly reactive compared to Sam Wang’s PEC and other aggregators. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is 538’s first general election under ESPN ownership. There’s a big push to increase ad revenue by generating interest in a close race.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:40:39pm

re: #168 Nyet

50 state strategy FTW!

No doubt, it’s how my state has gone from staunchly red to purple. We’er going to go blue for the third time in the row for certain with Kaine onboard.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:40:49pm

re: #116 Eventual Carrion

What do you call a person that graduated dead last in medical school?
Doctor.

Mechanics for the human body.

Don’t take your car to Midas for critical work. Sure, they say the can do it…

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Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:41:10pm

re: #167 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That quote is so much a dad quote. OMG.

“Dad ___” is, culturally, “fundamentally sane and sensible to the point of boredom ____”

So yeah, more of that.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:41:46pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

We’ve seen a small dose of Trump’s attacks against Bernie - already after he lost.
Attacking him as low-energy and weak.
And here’s the thing, it wasn’t entirely untrue. The guy is old…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:43:38pm

re: #176 Nyet

We’ve seen a small dose of Trump’s attacks against Bernie - already after he lost.
Attacking him as low-energy and weak.
And here’s the thing, it wasn’t entirely untrue. The guy is old…

And it shows at times too. If Bernie had great advisers, my concerns would be relaxed a little. I really think so many of the Bernie supporters just saw Bernie’s platform and the un-apologizing Democratic socialist and ignored his flaws.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:43:52pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Nate’s model this year has been incredibly reactive compared to Sam Wang’s PEC and other aggregators. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is 538’s first general election under ESPN ownership. There’s a big push to increase ad revenue by generating interest in a close race.

Well, there is a 538 article explaining that their nowcast model is specifically designed to be incredibly reactive. But he also has his polls plus model which is designed to take into consideration a lot of other factors and doesn’t follow the polls as closely this early in the race. I have a lot of respect for Nate Silver, and I’m sure he is trying to be as informative as possible and not just chasing clicks.

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Jack Burton  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:45:05pm

re: #161 Nyet

It would be good to have a responsible “far-left” and a responsible right party in the US. Neither seems possible… Only the Dems are sane (on average).

By being “Far-” anything, they won’t be “responsible.” We need less fringe, less extremism, less ‘my way or the high way’ right now. We need a center-left and a center-right party, and to pat the kooks on the head and tell them to go play in the corner with something shiny while the adults are talking. That’s not happening now.

Even if it was possible for the fringe to be responsible, the American far left, like the far right, is full of maniacs and moonbats anyway, there’s no one there from which to make a reasonable party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:45:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:45:45pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

HW, you’ll like this:

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Ha, I take back my idea for the Onion to make him the goody neighbor. He needs to be your goofy Dad that always means well even if he is a litlte dorky. Tehre was a story in the Post today about how he wanted the delegates to stay hydrated. Unfortunately, I don’t haev the WaPo online so I can’t read this.
washingtonpost.com

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:45:46pm

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

On the other hand, if Hillary can win those states, it could be the kind of historic landslide we are hoping for that might even deliver a House majority to the Democrats.

If Hillary won Georgia, we could start celebrating before voting crossed the Mississippi.

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Franklin  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:45:49pm

The “If the elections were held today” polls are nonsense and just horserace fodder.

If the elections were held today it would be November 8th and not July 29th.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:46:19pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oops, refresh that one.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:47:26pm

It’s Friday…time to get in some tunes.

I don’t know if these have been posted here at LGF…I just came across them a few days ago and didn’t know these two artists formed a group.

The Claypool Lennon Delirium. Les Claypool from Primus and Sean Lennon, John’s eldest son.

The Claypool Lennon Delirium - Cricket and the Genie

The Claypool Lennon Delirium - Ohmerica

Oxycontin Girl

Enjoy! I sure have. I’ve been playing these a lot.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:47:31pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Nate’s model this year has been incredibly reactive compared to Sam Wang’s PEC and other aggregators. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is 538’s first general election under ESPN ownership. There’s a big push to increase ad revenue by generating interest in a close race.

Even back in 2008 and 2012, Nate was criticized for having a reactive model that included a bunch of stuff that really didn’t affect the election. In a lot of views I read, Nate was instrumental in bring poll analysis into the modern age, though he’s not the best at it.

Edited.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:47:39pm

re: #169 Nyet

Liking the guy more each day.

He’s been a great senator and governor. You’ll like him a lot as you to get to know him. He’s got Biden’s warmth and ability to be very serious if necessary. Just an all around good guy. The way he responded to our state’s biggest tragedy- the shooting at Va Tech was incredible. Pretty much everyone in this state knows someone who went to Virginia Tech so that shooting hit very close to home for many and then Governor Kaine handled it wonderfully. There’s a reason why Obama considered him for VP too. Even being the runner up to Biden.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:47:45pm
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Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:48:40pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Nate’s model this year has been incredibly reactive compared to Sam Wang’s PEC and other aggregators. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this is 538’s first general election under ESPN ownership. There’s a big push to increase ad revenue by generating interest in a close race.

I could not disagree in stronger terms. I crack knuckles as I type that.

Silver has been doing this for a living for basically a decade. As much as anyone ever has, ever, he puts every assumption front and center, explains it, justifies it, makes the case for why his model’s inputs have the input they have. He even tells you when his model is probably telling you the wrong thing, but you don’t fiddle with the knobs mid-stream because that’s not how build models.

So, no. Sorry, left-wing folks. You are doing atrocious things to data-based mindsets. You are no better than Karl Rove. You are trying to “un-skew” things. It’s okay to identify methodological limitations when the inputs to your model are atypical or present factors that your model doesn’t take into account. And that’s okay! A mode that takes every single factor into account is going to be over-fitted as shit because our modern election sample size is, like, six or eight.

But don’t present reasonable skepticism as some a conspiracy theory or as a scientifically reasonable position. It’s not.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:48:48pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:48:49pm

re: #186 Belafon

Even back in 2008 and 2012, Nate was criticized for having a reactive model that included a bunch of stuff that really didn’t affect the election. In a lot of views I read, Nate was instrumental in bring polling into the modern age, though he’s not the best at it.

Nate doesn’t poll; he just tries to draw the most accurate data possible out of the polling.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:49:38pm

re: #190 jaunte

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Jesse Helms smiled from hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:49:43pm

“Tim is a guy who is good to his word,” said Fourth District International Representative Neil Gray, who has worked closely with Kaine over the senator’s 20 years in elected office. “When he tells you something, you can take it to the bank.”

The open dialogue Kaine has always held with IBEW officials came up again and again in conversations with Gray, Richmond, Va., Local 666 Business Manager Jim Underwood and Fourth District Vice President Ken Cooper.

“Years ago, when Kaine was governor,” Cooper said, “the owners of a plant closing in Alexandria wanted a meeting with him. Tim wouldn’t take the meeting, wouldn’t say a word to them, until the IBEW was represented in the room. That’s the kind of leader he is. He brings both sides of an issue together, and whether he’s with you or not, he gives it to you straight.”

“With Tim Kaine, what you see is what you get,” said Underwood, who first worked with Kaine when he was mayor of Richmond from 1998 to 2001, and then when he was lieutenant governor and governor from 2002 to 2010. “He brought us a lot of work as governor, but just as important, he was always accessible. Even when he disagreed with us on something - and there wasn’t a lot of that - he would sit there and explain why.”

more at the link

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:49:45pm

re: #179 Jack Burton

Relative labels. I’m not suggesting socialists, but someone still to the left of the Dem economically and to the right of them economically.

Also, as far as I’m concerned, the liberal social values should be a default.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:50:10pm

re: #190 jaunte

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Its even worse than that. The NC legislature actually said it was restricting Sunday voting because it gave African-Americans too much access to the polls.

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KingKenrod  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:50:42pm

re: #185 ObserverArt

It;s Friday…time to get in some tunes.

I don’t know if these have been posted here at LGF…I just came across them a few days ago and didn;t know these two artists formed a group.

The Claypool Lennon Delirium. Les Claypool from Primus and Sean Lennon, John’s eldest son.

[Embedded content]

Enjoy! I sure have. I’ve been playing these a lot.

I love this new release! And I’ve been pretty meh on Claypool and Lennon’s previous projects.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:50:55pm

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

Nate doesn’t poll; he just tries to draw the most accurate data possible out of the polling.

I know. I should have said poll analysis.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:51:53pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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more at the link

But he’s anti-labor, don’t cha know.

/

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stpaulbear  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:52:07pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

They were chanting no more war when they should have been listening why Trump is dangerous on foreign policy. They apparently got obnoxious during General Allen’s speech too.

I watched Gen Allen’s speech this morning. They got REAL obnoxious. It threw Gen. Allen off the first time it happened to the point he kind of stopped then joined the USA chant, but he finally realized he should just barrel through his speech. It was all very shouty and annoying. Fuck the Bobs.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:52:40pm

re: #50 dangerman

do you think anyone would have even thought of doing this if the “other” thing didnt happen last week?

of course not.

this is why i (and probably only I) dont think the server things was an “error” decision at the time it was made. it was turned into an error because the r’s decided to make it one

so she had to apologize for something no one cared about at the time

and likely would never have if not for benghazi

I’m familiar with the mail server she probably used. It’s speculated in my circles that she was set up with Microsoft Small Business Server, which I have experience and certification on. This includes Microsoft Exchange, the mail server. She was probably also set up with BlackBerry Server, which I have not used personally, or at my workplace.

If Madam Secretary were my client, I’d make her NOT beat herself publicly over what happened. The purpose of people like me—never forget!—is to help others Get Their Work Done.

As an aside, like Anymouse, I do run a private mail server, for nearly ten years in fact.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:53:45pm

re: #189 Testy Toad T

Even better, I have to yet see any evidence of the oft-repeated CT that the media deliberately engages in some “horse-race” biased programming.

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Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:53:46pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

It was all very shouty and annoying. Fuck the Bobs.

Most of America does not duplicate their mistake. Don’t emulate them.

I know we’re all super plugged into political media and discourse, but I think the average voter is so far disconnected they think Bernie is some sort of insurance risk.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:54:07pm

re: #127 Big Beautiful Door

General Allen seems to be very good.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:54:23pm

re: #198 Timothy Watson

But he’s anti-labor, don’t cha know.

/

I remember he got in some heat with the Republicans in the state legislature because his pick for commonwealth’s labor secretary was against the Right to Work Law. People who I’ve seen complain about his record have no idea what Virginia politics is like. For Kaine to be as staunchly pro-gun control as he is and to have done as well as he has in Virginia is a testament to his character. And you know what, as pro gun control as he is, people didn’t lose their 2nd amendment rights either. Gasp.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:55:47pm

Good thread on 4th Circuits ruling on NC voting law.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:55:53pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

HW, you’ll like this:

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Ohhhhh…that is going to lift Happy way up. We may need to tether him somehow so he doesn’t float away on a happy cloud.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:56:23pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

Ohhhhh…that is going to lift Happy way up. We may need to tether him somehow so he doesn’t float away on a happy cloud.

HAhaa, I’m good. I’m glad to see Kaine is having fun.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:56:55pm

re: #197 Belafon

I know. I should have said poll analysis.

Here is an article explaining convention bounces and why you should take polling before Labor Day with a big grain of salt.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:57:19pm

Really, I think so many heard moderate from a swing state and just assumed he’d be pretty boring. He’s not boring at all- fluent Spanish speaker, Civil Rights lawyer, and someone who knows how to say fuck you to the NRA in English and Spanish.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:58:29pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:58:51pm
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Great White Snark  Jul 29, 2016 • 12:59:36pm

Meanwhile in mah home state…

Paged for comments

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:00:04pm

re: #211 jaunte

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And this is why we can’t let those who have distanced themselves from Trump get away with it either. They have their own problems.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:01:19pm

re: #182 Belafon

It would be amazing. I’m not sure though. I am admittedly cynical having lived here in GA for the better part of 30 years. My observation has been that outside of the actual cities of Atlanta, Athens and Macon, you don’t see much in the way of democratic majorities in state or local government. I have said it before, but there have been more than a few elections where I had no one to vote for because in many districts there are only republicans running. I’ve often only voted on tax referendums and local issues and never even bothered with voting for actual people.

What I am seeing though is embarassed wingnuts, which makes me do a little happy dance. I do not know how they will vote come November though. They don’t like Trump but that doesn’t always mean they won’t vote for him. I hope that some of them just stay home, but these are people who vote in every election right down to runoffs. GA will be an interesting place to watch over the next few months. Dems are bad about spending time and money here outside those three blue enclaves, so we shall see.

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:04:03pm

You can always count on Gawker to have a glib take on the patriotism on show at the DNC: Maybe This Is Bad?

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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:04:40pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Trump’s not even a good troll.

Most toddlers aren’t. I swear, it is embarrassing to see someone with the maturity of a turnip as a presidential candidate. Can we amend the age requirement to recognize emotional as well as physical age? He is truly the most immature man I have ever encountered—and I’ve been with some pretty immature guys over the years.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:05:19pm

Okay lizards, get your shit together because the world is going to be destroyed in a few hours by a polar flip and we’re all gonna die.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:05:51pm

Gov Bevin is finding out that being governor of Kentucky isn’t the same thing as being a CEO, and running a government isn’t the same thing as running a business.
And he is not happy.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:06:53pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

HAhaa, I’m good. I’m glad to see Kaine is having fun.

And I am having fun with him. I did this earlier today. Something about his cheeks and forehead made me think of this great ol’ cartoon character from a long time ago.

Yeah…I’m going to post it again.

Tim “Popeye” Kaine: “I’m strong to the finish, ‘cause I eats me Spinach!”
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:07:13pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Okay lizards, get your shit together because the world is going to be destroyed in a few hours by a polar flip and we’re all gonna die.

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*checks Scotch supply…OK, bring it on…*

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:10:07pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Okay lizards, get your shit together because the world is going to be destroyed in a few hours by a polar flip and we’re all gonna die.

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And the article says, good excuse to knock off early and head to DQ for six pounds of ice cream and fudge!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:11:56pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov Bevin is finding out that being governor of Kentucky isn’t the same thing as being a CEO, and running a government isn’t the same thing as running a business.
And he is not happy.

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This is why businessmen who have no clue about government shouldn’t be elected to positions.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:13:51pm

An interesting read about IP addresses and what happens when it all goes wrong.

Also an investigative journalist who actually does good and unintended consequences writ large.

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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:15:08pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov Bevin is finding out that being governor of Kentucky isn’t the same thing as being a CEO, and running a government isn’t the same thing as running a business.
And he is not happy.

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And that Andy Beshear (son of the last KY governor) is a firm Democrat might have something to do with his butthurt? Just asking….

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:16:14pm

re: #101 calochortus

We saw 3 trucks, each with a single blade, on the freeway in Washington. Those things are enormous. Even seeing them on a turbine doesn’t really impress you the same way because there’s nothing for scale like being on a road with cars.

The best thing about driving to Toronto from Detroit is the “Wind Forest” on the 401 Highway in southern Ontario.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:16:48pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:16:51pm
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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:18:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:18:57pm

re: #226 Lidane

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As I’ve said, love of country, optimism, etc aren’t Republican beliefs, they’re universal. Maybe if Republicans like Glenn understood that, they’d realize why the Dems were able to do what they did so well. Fact is the Democrats have always been optimistic about what our country stands for. The Republican Party just wasn’t always nominating shit goblins like Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:19:09pm

re: #224 Jay C

And that Andy Beshear (son of the last KY governor) is a firm Democrat might have something to do with his butthurt? Just asking….

Not really.
Bevin honestly believed that as governor he could make any changes he wanted and do anything he wanted and be unchallenged about any of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:19:13pm

re: #228 CuriousLurker

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Time for some push back.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:19:21pm

re: #226 Lidane

“GOP, RNC idiots!” Beck seethed. “You idiots! Maybe after you get your ass handed to you by a bunch of Marxist revolutionary radicals who have just cloaked themselves as you, maybe you’ll figure it out!”

He still hasn’t admitted to himself that the middle is the middle and not “revolutionary radicals.”

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Ojoe  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:22:41pm

Hillary in her massive electronic exposure of classified information is in effect an enemy spy.
Can anyone defend her after that?
No-one can.
She’s going down in flames, and she’s going to make a deep smoking crater full of scrap metal.
Good-bye Hillary.


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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:22:43pm

Ronald Reagan did not invent faith in your country and that tomorrow can be better than today conservatives. Pretty much all our ancestors had that at some point. That’s something Reagan to his credit got. So, when you claim that the Dems stole or co-opted your message, you’re really missing the point which is that hope, love of country, and faith in something other than yourself is universal and goes beyond left or right. It’s something we have here in 2016 and it’s something we had in the darkest days of the Depression and in the most prosperous of times.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:22:44pm

CNBC WTF
The article that Trump links to could have been written by him, it’s that puerile

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:23:30pm

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

CNBC WTF
The article that Trump links to could have been written by him, it’s that puerile

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HAhaha yeah Trump’s so tough on trade. That’s why all his products are made overseas.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:24:39pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not really.
Bevin honestly believed that as governor he could make any changes he wanted and do anything he wanted and be unchallenged about any of it.

So, in a sense he is a Trump-like figure and people are getting to see how that works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:25:08pm

re: #237 ObserverArt

So, in a sense he is a Trump-like figure and people are getting to see how that works.

yes

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:25:21pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Copy/paste is boring.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:25:51pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

And I am having fun with him. I did this earlier today. Something about his cheeks and forehead made me think of this great ol’ cartoon character from a long time ago.

Yeah…I’m going to post it again.

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Gosh, here I am thinking of the Big Daddy Kaine…

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:28:00pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Oh look, it’s a wannabe member of Putin’s troll army. How did your prediction for the 2012 election turn out? :D

Hey, if he can copypasta prior comments, so can I.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:28:30pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Someone needs a juice box, a blankie and a nap. Maybe a hug too.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:29:28pm

I’m would bet if Sandy Rios gets a cut pure crap oozes out…

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:29:53pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

Oh look, it’s a wannabe member of Putin’s troll army.

Lots of people seem to be more “concerned” about the spied-on than the spies.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:31:13pm

LIke Benghazi. The Republicans put more effort into getting Hillary than getting the people who killed our diplomatic personnel.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:31:41pm

You can see where their priorities lie.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:32:08pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

I’m would bet if Sandy Rios gets a cut pure crap oozes out…

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I wish I could be shocked but I’m not. This is so typical yet so fucking sick. What the fuck has Rios and her family done for this country that she thinks she can question the loyalty of a man whose son died seriving it. Fuck her and all the right wingers who attack Mr. Khan.

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ExpatGirl  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:32:10pm

Lol! Quoting de Tocqueville is about as scandalous as quoting Lincoln or Jesus.

Sean Spicer is a desperate idiot. <—- Feel free to plagiarize at will.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:32:21pm
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:33:16pm

What is that smell?

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:33:39pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

I’m would bet if Sandy Rios gets a cut pure crap oozes out…

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I suppose they only like the families of fallen Americans when they condemn Democrats and blame the deaths of their loved ones upon them.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:33:55pm
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Dr. Matt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:34:02pm

re: #226 Lidane

Glenn Beck unloads on “GOP/RNC idiiots” who “don’t know your ass from your elbow” & let Dems co-opt their messaging: rightwingwatch.org
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) July 29, 2016

Nearly as amusing when Becky claimed that the left co-opted the term “Progressive” because conservatives are the true progressives.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:34:08pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

Oh look, it’s a wannabe member of Putin’s troll army. How did your prediction for the 2012 election turn out? :D

Hey, if he can copypasta prior comments, so can I.

Dick Morris is laughing at that.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:34:56pm

re: #233 Ojoe

Hillary in her massive electronic exposure of classified information is in effect an enemy spy.
Can anyone defend her after that?
No-one can.
She’s going down in flames, and she’s going to make a deep smoking crater full of scrap metal.
Good-bye Hillary.

There goes our “both parties are bad” Whig guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:35:06pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

I suppose they only like the families of fallen Americans when they condemn Democrats and blame the deaths of their loved ones upon them.

That bitch actually had the nerve to say “If you’re a loyal America, you’d condemn Islamists.” His fucking son was killed by a suicide bomber. Fortunately, all the comments are comdemning her in the highest terms. Going after a Muslim man whose son died in the uniform of the United States Armed Forces may be a bridge too far even for many conservatives.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:36:17pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Guess today’s a good day to break out all the panic gifs
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:36:29pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

That can’t be right, she doesn’t look Muslim at all.
///

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:36:41pm

re: #257 lawhawk

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Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:37:47pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Ronald Reagan did not invent faith in your country and that tomorrow can be better than today conservatives. Pretty much all our ancestors had that at some point. That’s something Reagan to his credit got. So, when you claim that the Dems stole or co-opted your message, you’re really missing the point which is that hope, love of country, and faith in something other than yourself is universal and goes beyond left or right. It’s something we have here in 2016 and it’s something we had in the darkest days of the Depression and in the most prosperous of times.

If your big complaint is that the Democrats somehow stole your message, your first question should be “why/how”.

/had to make dinner, sorry if this was covered

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:38:59pm

re: #260 Testy Toad T

If your big complaint is that the Democrats somehow stole your message, your first question should be “why/how”.

/had to make dinner, sorry if this was covered

A good point. They really need to look at themselves. Instead, I see that Spicer is bellyaching that Clinton used a quote that is commonly used. They just don’t want to see why their party is seen as horse scum in the eyes of many.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:39:25pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

Fox News contributor. Nuf said.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:39:31pm

re: #226 Lidane

I like this diary: Democrats become the party of security, patriotism, optimism—without becoming Republicans:

With the two national conventions just receding in the rearview mirror, it’s clear that one party has become the party of national security, the party of patriotism, the party of support for veterans, and the party with an optimistic view of America’s future. Some Republicans are more than a little despairing of this shift and view Democrats as poaching their positions.

For the Democrats, it was a carefully calibrated, precisely drafted assault on the Republican coalition. For months, they have sought to tar Republican politicians with Mr. Trump’s essence, arguing that the New York developer and reality star was the true id of a Republican Party marbled with political extremism and racial antagonism.

But Democrats aren’t stealing the Republican’s strengths at National Security or robbing support from veterans. The Republicans abandoned those positions. They discarded them forcefully by selecting a man with neither knowledge nor experience who claims he need not consult generals or experts because of his “good brain.” They tossed them aside to embrace the idea that the military is “hopeless” and that America is an embarrassment on the world stage.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:39:39pm

re: #249 CuriousLurker

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Effing hippies!! Kumbaya-singing cultural Marxist assholes think they can steal our thunder and get away with it!!11!

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:39:46pm
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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:40:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:40:27pm

These right wingers constantly tell Muslim-Americans, “prove your loyalty to the US”, I can think of no greater sacrifice someone could make on behalf of his adoptive country than Captain Khan did. Have Sandy and Ann or anyone they’ve loved served in uniform? Have they been in a combat zone? Nope, they’re chicken shit right wingers.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:42:09pm

re: #263 Belafon

I like this diary: Democrats become the party of security, patriotism, optimism—without becoming Republicans:

IMO we saw the beginnings of this when Obama got OBL. Honestly, we’re doing it in a way that is truly amazing. We’re showing that we can love what makes our country great but also welcome newcomers as well and that’s really what patriotism is and should be about.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:42:16pm

re: #259 Frankie Five Angels

I focused on the medical stuff, because when you start blaming illegal aliens for mosquito borne diseases being spread, my BS detector goes off.

Malaria, dengue, and a couple other mentioned diseases aren’t spread by person-to-person, but by mosquitoes.

And you know who’s not giving that sufficient funding? The GOP since they’re blocking funding for Zika (which is spread by those very mosquitoes).

Like you said, the entire thing falls apart under even the slightest examination. Doesn’t matter how spiffy the gif is, bs is still bs.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:42:20pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

These right wingers constantly tell Muslim-Americans, “prove your loyalty to the US”, I can think of no greater sacrifice someone could make on behalf of his adoptive country than Captain Khan did. Have Sandy and Ann or anyone they’ve loved served in uniform? Have they been in a combat zone? Nope, they’re chicken shit right wingers.

*Hands HW a paper bag*

Easy now—breathe, brother, breathe. Don’t let them get to you. {{{HW}}}

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:43:01pm

re: #200 Sherlock Hound

I’m familiar with the mail server she probably used. It’s speculated in my circles that she was set up with Microsoft Small Business Server, which I have experience and certification on. This includes Microsoft Exchange, the mail server. She was probably also set up with BlackBerry Server, which I have not used personally, or at my workplace.

If Madam Secretary were my client, I’d make her NOT beat herself publicly over what happened. The purpose of people like me—never forget!—is to help others Get Their Work Done.

As an aside, like Anymouse, I do run a private mail server, for nearly ten years in fact.

i was only speak to the politics of it. there were none when the decision was originally made and the large mess it turned into really wasnt foreseen by anyone. foreseeable? sure in hindsight. back then it would have been “why would anyone care?”

so after she stopped using it (iirc) a few “smart” people hammered on it long enough until it turned into an issue. then it found legs and here we are.

i was comparing it to the ‘plagiarism’. no one would have thought accusing clinton if it didnt just happen last week - blatantly.
one phrase vs two paragraphs. no not a chance

most everything she’s ever been accused of has been a manufactured issue long after the fact.

people who say she shoulda woulda coulda seen it coming or shouldnt have given a speech for money, or invested in x, or started a foundation or whatever are saying she shouldnt ever move breathe or think. and even then some clever person would find a way to make *that* an issue and beat her to metaphorical death with it

im just guessing. i think she doesnt care anymore. she’s armored, battle hardened, annealed, whatever.

she does what she wants and waits for the “inevitable”. then she sits in a hearing for 11 hours or “apologizes’ for using a private server.

privately she’s probably going “bfd, im still gonna be president”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:44:37pm

re: #270 CuriousLurker

*Hands HW a paper bag*

Easy now—breathe brother, breathe. Don’t let them get to you. {{{HW}}}

I’m good CL. I’m just sick of the questions of loyalty that decent Muslim-Americans like yourself get because they happen to practice a religion these people hate. My great grandfather was born in Germany. No one gave him hostility for that during WWII while he served on the Rationing board. Just made me ill to see that Ann Coulter who has never sacrificed anything in our life for our country tweet something ot the effect about Mr. Khan being an angry Muslim with an accent. My cousins’ parents were Slovak immigrants and they oto had accents and they too lost a son in a war.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:45:47pm

re: #246 jaunte

You can see where their priorities lie.

laserlike focus on jobs

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:45:57pm

re: #242 A Mom Anon

Someone needs a juice box, a blankie and a nap. Maybe a hug too.

And a diaper change. It smells like it anyway. Phew!

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A Mom Anon  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:46:20pm

re: #260 Testy Toad T

The thing that annoys the ever loving fuck out of me about this whining is that they act like they are the only “real patriots” and that any of this was theirs alone to “steal”. Bullshit. Just Bullshit on that. You can’t fucking steal patriotism or love of country, it’s just not a commodity that you can sneak up and grab. This isn’t the fucking Grinch stealing a Christmas tree FFS. This is how childish they’ve become.

This crap is what I have a hard time forgiving. I NEVER stopped loving my country. Never once. I never turned on my neighbors, excluded my family from my life, pushed away friends (with the exception of one who lost his fucking mind after Obama was elected and was a shit to me), called conservatives traitors or called for their deportation or death. All of that has happened to me. I never sported a “conservative hunting license” bumper sticker on my car, or flew a traitor flag in front of my house or called a republican president a traitor (I may have thought so, but I never ran my yap about it). The GOP has done a lot of damage to communities and families in the name of their stupid team sports approach to governance. And while I will never forgive it, what I will do is my very best to make sure that shit is dead and buried by supporting and helping those who care and love their country so much they devote their lives to making it better.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:46:44pm

re: #250 Frankie Five Angels

What is that smell?

“do you smell brimstone?” — B. Bunny

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:47:39pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m good CL. I’m just sick of the questions of loyalty that decent Muslim-Americans like yourself get because they happen to practice a religion these people hate. My great grandfather was born in Germany. No one gave him hostility for that during WWII while he served on the Rationing board. Just made me ill to see that Ann Coulter who has never sacrificed anything in our life for our country tweet something ot the effect about Mr. Khan being an angry Muslim with an accent. My cousins’ parents were Slovak immigrants and they oto had accents and they too lost a son in a war.

I know, that’s what the hug was for. ;-)

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:48:11pm

Well, I have to say I wish I’d paid the 59 bucks earlier. This site loads far more pleasantly without the popup screen and the “WE SEE YOUR BROWSER HAS AD BLOCKER” banner that used to have to be dismissed two or three times per session. Adblocker still blocks a good 49 ads on the home page and another 21 on this one, but I don’t notice it.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:48:23pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Copy/paste is boring.

I’m perfectly happy to give it a down ding on each reappearance. I’m easily amused on a Friday afternoon.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:48:46pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

I know, that’s what the hug was for. ;-)

Gotcha. Proud to call you a friend btw. What a country this really is that people of so many unique backgrounds can unite together.

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:51:13pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

I’m perfectly happy to give it a down ding on each reappearance. I’m easily amused on a Friday afternoon.

I wonder whether Thomas Merton would get the urge to smack Ojoe for posting those stupid comments with his image on them.

Shame, Ojoe.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:51:52pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

I’m perfectly happy to give it a down ding on each reappearance. I’m easily amused on a Friday afternoon.

We’re heading out of town for the weekend and I am sitting and staring at my to do list with no motivation to go do.

I did do my five miles this morning despite the heat. I’m so glad it’s supposed to break over the weekend, since I get to do another five miles on Sunday.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:51:58pm

re: #262 Frankie Five Angels

Fox News contributor. Nuf said.

I don’t know her…is she also some kind of a Fundie Christian too?

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:52:24pm

re: #239 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Copy/paste is boring.

Wow…long time, no Ojoe.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:52:40pm

re: #283 ObserverArt

Just another Farmer in the Fields of Resentment.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:52:48pm

re: #284 darthstar

Wow…long time, no Ojoe.

You missed the part where he left the exact same comment on a dead thread earlier this week.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:53:01pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

I wonder whether Thomas Merton would get the urge to smack Ojoe for posting those stupid comments with his image on them.

Shame, Ojoe.

Maybe Mandy will come back and say hello too. I haven’t been told to piss up a rope in years.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:54:50pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re heading out of town for the weekend and I am sitting and staring at my to do list with no motivation to go do.

I did do my five miles this morning despite the heat. I’m so glad it’s supposed to break over the weekend, since I get to do another five miles on Sunday.

Ugh. The weather. I think Jim Iohfe should be staked out over an anthill in an unseasonably warm part of the country for a few hours. The picture would be completed by having a moron drop a snowball on Inhofe every 20 minutes or so and quote something stupid Inhofe has said about global warming.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:54:55pm

re: #286 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You missed the part where he left the exact same comment on a dead thread earlier this week.

I’m actually quite busy with my work these days - staff reductions meant I had to lend half my team to someone else, and yet I was given even more tasks in that time - so I’ve been writing a lot of java code as well as doing performance testing at the web, api, and stored proc levels…I like load testing databases though…beating the hell out of a stored procedure is easy.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:55:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:55:56pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Ugh. The weather. I think Jim Iohfe should be staked out over an anthill in an unseasonably warm part of the country for a few hours. The picture would be completed by having a moron drop a snowball on Inhofe every 20 minutes or so and quote something stupid Inhofe has said about global warming.

Inholfe’s granddaughter apparently challenged him on climate change recently. His response? She’s brainwashed obviously.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:56:07pm

re: #289 darthstar

Well now you know why copy and paste was referenced.

Along with comment recycling.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:56:08pm

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:56:15pm

re: #282 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re heading out of town for the weekend and I am sitting and staring at my to do list with no motivation to go do.

I did do my five miles this morning despite the heat. I’m so glad it’s supposed to break over the weekend, since I get to do another five miles on Sunday.

i blew my workout off
i was a slug today

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:56:34pm

re: #290 jaunte

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He’s such an ass.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:56:37pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Ugh. The weather. I think Jim Iohfe should be staked out over an anthill in an unseasonably warm part of the country for a few hours. The picture would be completed by having a moron drop a snowball on Inhofe every 20 minutes or so and quote something stupid Inhofe has said about global warming.

That snowball would feel really good after 20 minutes in the sun.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:57:13pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That snowball would feel really good after 20 minutes in the sun.

Mmmmm shaved ice.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:57:23pm

re: #275 A Mom Anon

The thing that annoys the ever loving fuck out of me about this whining is that they act like they are the only “real patriots” and that any of this was theirs alone to “steal”. Bullshit. Just Bullshit on that. You can’t fucking steal patriotism or love of country, it’s just not a commodity that you can sneak up and grab. This isn’t the fucking Grinch stealing a Christmas tree FFS. This is how childish they’ve become.

This crap is what I have a hard time forgiving. I NEVER stopped loving my country. Never once. I never turned on my neighbors, excluded my family from my life, pushed away friends (with the exception of one who lost his fucking mind after Obama was elected and was a shit to me), called conservatives traitors or called for their deportation or death. All of that has happened to me. I never sported a “conservative hunting license” bumper sticker on my car, or flew a traitor flag in front of my house or called a republican president a traitor (I may have thought so, but I never ran my yap about it). The GOP has done a lot of damage to communities and families in the name of their stupid team sports approach to governance. And while I will never forgive it, what I will do is my very best to make sure that shit is dead and buried by supporting and helping those who care and love their country so much they devote their lives to making it better.

And many of these same types were crying last night about Hillary going off of the Obama message and once again not being inclusive of both sides.

They couldn’t even make it 24 hours before they are back at doing some real splitting of us and them.

I don’t know how you can be this hateful and miserable.

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blueraven  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:57:39pm

Wow…Trump in CO rn, complaining because Hillary didn’t speak positively about him in her speech, as in congratulate him.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:57:55pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Inholfe’s granddaughter apparently challenged him on climate change recently. His response? She’s brainwashed obviously.

This knuckle-dragging oxygen thief is the Chair of the Senate committee on environment and public works.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:58:12pm

re: #294 dangerman

i blew my workout off
i was a slug today

Nope. I am all in.

Now I’m being a slug about the to do list instead.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:59:00pm

re: #298 ObserverArt

And many of these same types were crying last night about Hillary going off of the Obama message and once again not being inclusive of both sides.

They couldn’t even make it 24 hours before they are back at doing some real splitting of us and them.

I don’t know how you can be this hateful and miserable.

it may turn out that whining is a somewhat effective political negotiating technique

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:59:25pm

You’d think we’d be getting used to this by now and moving our shit onto some secure servers…

BTW, I think I saw the DNC’s computer security expert on the train yesterday…he had his password on a post it note on his laptop. It read “Let Me In” - He had to type it twice because, you know, capital letters…I even took a pic I was so amazed (and no, I don’t really think he works for the DNC…yet).

Seriously, it reads “Let Me In”

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:59:38pm

re: #299 blueraven

Wow…Trump in CO rn, complaining because Hillary didn’t speak positively about him in her speech, as in congratulate him.

he probably hasnt read the manual yet on how this works

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:59:49pm

re: #299 blueraven

Wow…Trump in CO rn, complaining because Hillary didn’t speak positively about him in her speech, as in congratulate him.

He’s going to cry that he didn’t get a complimentary White House tour or trophy when he loses isn’t he?

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 1:59:55pm

re: #299 blueraven

Wow…Trump in CO rn, complaining because Hillary didn’t speak positively about him in her speech, as in congratulate him.

“Congratulations to Mr. Trump. Never before in US history have idiots and haters been so effectively mobilized by a pathological liar.”

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:00:48pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

I wonder whether Thomas Merton would get the urge to smack Ojoe for posting those stupid comments with his image on them.

Shame, Ojoe.

Thomas Merton, hmmm let’s see: Catholic mystic, social activist (#SJW, the horror!!), student of comparative religion, and a keen proponent of interfaith understanding. Seems to me he’d fit right in with Jihadi Jew and the rest of us…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:01:03pm

re: #303 darthstar

You’d think we’d be getting used to this by now and moving our shit onto some secure servers…

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BTW, I think I saw the DNC’s computer security expert on the train yesterday…he had his password on a post it note on his laptop. It read “Let Me In” - He had to type it twice because, you know, capital letters…I even took a pic I was so amazed (and no, I don’t really think he works for the DNC…yet).

Seriously, it reads “Let Me In”

Wasn’t Sarah Palin hacked with an absurdly easy password?

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:01:13pm

re: #301 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Nope. I am all in.

Now I’m being a slug about the to do list instead.

sometimes i end up treating my todo lists as suggestion lists

“consider for your bemusement, possibly doing the following…”

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:01:41pm
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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:03:55pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t Sarah Palin hacked with an absurdly easy password?

No…it was her security question: What was the name of your high school? along with her birthdate and zip code.

Instead, the hacker simply reset Palin’s password using her birthdate, ZIP code and information about where she met her spouse — the security question on her Yahoo account, which was answered (Wasilla High) by a simple Google search.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:03:57pm

re: #310 jaunte

GOP. Outsourcing. Even at their convention.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:04:29pm

re: #286 klys (maker of Silmarils)

You missed the part where he left the exact same comment on a dead thread earlier this week.

Twice, wasn’t it?

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:05:05pm

re: #313 MsJ

Twice, wasn’t it?

Maybe he’s being ironic.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:05:12pm

re: #313 MsJ

Twice, wasn’t it?

I only remember seeing it once but I could have missed a second. I close dead threads after about a day (mostly for reasons like this).

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:05:20pm

re: #312 GlutenFreeJesus

I wonder how many Baios you get for $5 million.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:06:00pm

Late afternoon sanity break, courtesy of George

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:06:29pm

Later! Time to tune up the guitars…it’s Friday.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:07:59pm

re: #303 darthstar

Funny how it’s only Dems who are getting hacked. I wonder why that might be….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:08:05pm

re: #311 darthstar

No…it was her security question: What was the name of your high school? along with her birthdate and zip code.

That’s right.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:08:40pm
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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:08:49pm

re: #319 MsJ

Funny how it’s only Dems who are getting hacked. I wonder why that might be….

lets *not* go into that they dont know how to secure their systems and the r’s do

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:08:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:08:52pm
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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:09:16pm

*facepalm*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:09:50pm

re: #321 jaunte

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I guess Pence has been giving him lessons on Fundy language and yes I know it’s a well known saying but I also know he’s in Colorado Springs.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:09:53pm

re: #310 jaunte

Wow. Justin Bieber turned down a $5M offer to perform at the GOP convention. Nicely done, Biebs! Good on you.

Tiffany Trump is apparently a Beieber, eh?

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:10:14pm

re: #325 Lidane

*facepalm*

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trump university
texas
florida

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:10:37pm

re: #323 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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It’s not free but I’m happy to give some money to teh ALCU.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:13pm

re: #322 dangerman

lets *not* go into that they dont know how to secure their systems and the r’s do

I think it’s more likely to be along the lines of these hackers being Republican ratfuckers and/or Russian operatives having a clear motive to target the Democrats instead of the Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:14pm

re: #310 jaunte

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When Bieber says “You know, you guys may be bad for my image.”, it’s time for a good healthy look.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:15pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

It’s not free but I’m happy to give some money to teh ALCU.

I gave them some money several years ago.

I’m pretty sure they’ve spent it all on mailers asking me for more money.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:45pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:49pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I guess Pence has been giving him lessons on Fundy language and yes I know it’s a well known saying but I also know he’s in Colorado Springs.

Literally demonizing Clinton.

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blueraven  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:49pm

re: #304 dangerman

he probably hasnt read the manual yet on how this works

Yeah, he never mentions Hillary without the prerequisite, “Crooked”.
But she is supposed to grovel at his greatness.

::puke::

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:11:56pm

re: #325 Lidane

*facepalm*

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Pat, I don’t think oyu know what a conflict is. He’s allowed to be ciritcal of your bigoted law and support your opponent.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:17pm

re: #332 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I gave them some money several years ago.

I’m pretty sure they’ve spent it all on mailers asking me for more money.

Ha, probably.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:22pm
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garzooma  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:29pm

re: #310 jaunte

Justin Bieber rejected GOP convention gig

It fell through when he asked to be paid in advance.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:41pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:48pm

re: #335 blueraven

Yeah, he never mentions Hillary without the prerequisite, “Crooked”
But she is supposed to grovel at his greatness.

::puke::

Of course, everyone has to kiss his ass but he’s allowed to call them crooked, pathetic, etc. He really is a pathetic asohle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:12:55pm

re: #325 Lidane

*facepalm*

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:13:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:13:32pm

re: #340 Lidane

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AND GEORGE WASHiNGTON WOULD NEVER USE THE TELEPHONE! Go home, Donald, you’re drunk.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:13:35pm

re: #322 dangerman

lets *not* go into that they dont know how to secure their systems and the r’s do

That was not my point at all. There is someone actively trying to hurt Dems. The GOP has said themselves that they are technologically deficient yet they are not getting hacked.

There is something very wrong about that. There are bad actors (nation states) trying to help elect Trump.

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:14:03pm

“I have a winning temperament.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:14:53pm

re: #347 Jenner7

“I have a winning temperament.”

What the hell does that even mean?

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:15:05pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

AND GEORGE WASHiNGTON WOULD NEVER USE THE TELEPHONE! Go home, Donald, you’re drunk.

I think Roosevelt said that in a Skype interview.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:15:16pm

re: #325 Lidane

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:15:29pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

It’s not free but I’m happy to give some money to teh ALCU.

gotta scroll down…
use the coupon code POCKETRIGHTS at checkout

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:15:57pm

re: #349 jaunte

I think Roosevelt said that in a Skype interview.

I for one loved asking Lincoln questions in a YouTube livestream.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:16:19pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

“the party of those with a stake in the future”

That’s too funny.

Is this how the GOP is presently spinning their vision of “a boot stamping on a human face - forever”?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:16:19pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

gotta scroll down…
use the coupon code POCKETRIGHTS at checkout

D’oh, thanks. I’m going to order one.

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:16:32pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

I think it’s more likely to be along the lines of these hackers being Republican ratfuckers and/or Russian operatives having a clear motive to target the Democrats instead of the Republicans.

Saw your comment as I was reading down the thread to log out.

I have been thinking the Republicans better not get too smug.

It would not surprise me one bit if all their servers have not already been hacked too. It is always good to have the goods on both sides when dirty dealing.

Call it security in case you need to shut them up should something happen and they turn on you to get the heat off them if connections are made the GOP is working this in coordination.

Work both sides of the street as it were. Then you have better control.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:17:27pm

re: #303 darthstar

You’d think we’d be getting used to this by now and moving our shit onto some secure servers…

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BTW, I think I saw the DNC’s computer security expert on the train yesterday…he had his password on a post it note on his laptop. It read “Let Me In” - He had to type it twice because, you know, capital letters…I even took a pic I was so amazed (and no, I don’t really think he works for the DNC…yet).

Seriously, it reads “Let Me In”

Perhaps he’s a fan of Wings:

Paul McCartney & Wings - Let ‘Em in 1976

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:17:27pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

I for one loved asking Lincoln questions in a YouTube livestream.

Ben Franklin’s AMA was the BESTEST ONE EVAH!

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:18:21pm

re: #340 Lidane

Trump is allergic to emails because emails can usually be found, and often contain embarrassing information when that happens.

For a crook like Trump, that likelihood of embarrassment becomes a certainty.

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plansbandc  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:18:26pm

Maybe he needs to continuously say how smart he is to make sure he’s still convincing himself that he is.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:19:59pm

re: #330 EPR-radar

I think it’s more likely to be along the lines of these hackers being Republican ratfuckers and/or Russian operatives having a clear motive to target the Democrats instead of the Republicans.

well of course
i didnt think that needed to be said
someones going to say the dems just arent good with security or some such other bozonity
the r sysetms are more secure etc

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:20:36pm

re: #360 dangerman

well of course
i didnt think that needed to be said
someones going to say the dems just arent good with security or some such other bozonity
the r sysetms are more secure etc

Ah, the media narrative. Too true.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:20:46pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

AND GEORGE WASHiNGTON WOULD NEVER USE THE TELEPHONE! Go home, Donald, you’re drunk.

Remember when they got rid of all those cavalry horses? Big mistake. Big, big mistake.

We can always learn smoke signals.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:20:51pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

D’oh, thanks. I’m going to order one.

ordered mine

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:21:27pm

re: #346 MsJ

That was not my point at all. There is someone actively trying to hurt Dems. The GOP has said themselves that they are technologically deficient yet they are not getting hacked.

There is something very wrong about that. There are bad actors (nation states) trying to help elect Trump.

i’m agreeing 100%
someone’s gonna twist it anyway

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:22:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:22:17pm

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

ordered mine

Yep me too. What an awesome deal. This one’s going right next to my mini Liberty Bell and bicentennial plate that I got from my grandparents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:22:33pm

O_o

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:22:57pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

He’s going to cry that he didn’t get a complimentary White House tour or trophy when he loses isn’t he?

He’s going to sue every American who voted against him and also every American who didn’t vote for him (as in stayed home)

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:23:37pm

re: #361 EPR-radar

Ah, the media narrative. Too true.

often i use too many words

to think i used to be accused of being “reticent”

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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:23:46pm

I am so pissed right now someone got a hold of my debit card number and has been using it. They got me for about $80 in the last 6 days.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:23:47pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Same party GOP that thought they’d gotcha a father of a guy serving in the USMC.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:22pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

There are also those Republicans that want to sell the national park land to private companies for development and drilling.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:24pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

NC GOPers need to fuck themselves vigorously with rusty farm implements. Their suppression of voters they regard as enemies rarely gets more blatant that this.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:31pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Yep me too. What an awesome deal. This one’s going right next to my mini Liberty Bell and bicentennial plate that I got from my grandparents.

i have my dad’s from when he was a kid. bound in a a small book form

it doesnt have “all” the amendments ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:39pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:48pm
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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:25:49pm

re: #360 dangerman

well of course
i didnt think that needed to be said
someones going to say the dems just arent good with security or some such other bozonity
the r sysetms are more secure etc

If I was going to hack a party and try to effect the outcome of an election, I wouldn’t steal emails and post them in public. I’d screw up their communications so that everything they sent internally got copied to their opponents, or corrupt their data so their systems were unusable - that’s how you do real damage to someone. The rest of this is just an annoyance.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:26:49pm

re: #370 Tigger2

I am so pissed right now someone got a hold of my debit card number and has been using it. They got me for about $80 in the last 6 days.

Is there any recourse for something like that, or does the bank just do a “not my problem” act?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:27:18pm

re: #374 dangerman

i have my dad’s from when he was a kid. bound in a a small book form

it doesnt have “all” the amendments ;-)

Still a very cool keepsake though like a flag pre 1959.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:27:58pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Actually Donald, I’ll let you know in something, your party benefits when fewer people don’t vote.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:28:38pm
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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:28:49pm

re: #358 EPR-radar

Trump is allergic to emails because emails can usually be found, and often contain embarrassing information when that happens.

For a crook like Trump, that likelihood of embarrassment becomes a certainty.

I think it’s because he hasn’t figured out how to use his thick sharpee marker on emails or online articles. I think I heard that he has somebody print out his emails and any stories that mentioned him, then he writes across them with his sharpee—like the Kareem piece last night, and I seem to remember an ongoing sharpee comment battle with a columnist—maybe Gail Collins?

In any case, another example of what a whiny brat he is—emotionally immature, unable to learn anything, no attention span to actually master a skill. Yeah, just the attributes I cherish in my President.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:29:04pm

re: #370 Tigger2

I am so pissed right now someone got a hold of my debit card number and has been using it. They got me for about $80 in the last 6 days.

That happened to me. They bought $2000 in iTunes gift cards before I noticed. Your bank will reverse the charges, but it takes a few weeks.

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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:30:06pm

re: #378 EPR-radar

Is there any recourse for something like that, or does the bank just do a “not my problem” act?

I called the bank they stopped the card and put me in contact with the dispute dept, the lady I talked to said I should be able to get the money back in a couple weeks, it was payments to T Mobile and Straight talk, I haven’t had a cell phone in over 7 years.

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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:30:13pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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So “steal the election” as in Berniebot-speak: I.e. “Get more votes than her opponent”???

TEH HORROR!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:30:19pm

What airline has paneled door frames and pictures on the cabin wall? Other than the Trump 757.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:30:47pm

re: #370 Tigger2

I am so pissed right now someone got a hold of my debit card number and has been using it. They got me for about $80 in the last 6 days.

I’ll tell you a horror story. One of my Chinese students is studying in NYC now. Her wallet was stolen, and the thieves used her BoA debit card to clean out her account — $30K in all. She’s talked to the police and the bank, so i’m sure it will all be sorted out soon enough, but you can imagine how the poor kid felt after her bank account got cleaned out (many of those charges were flagged “pending,” so the BoA fraud detector algorithm must have slowed things down.)

While I was in Malaysia last winter, someone hijacked my PayPal debit card account. But I had less than $100 in it, and years ago turned off the automatic bank withdrawal option after a similar incident, so the damage was minimal. Still pissed me off, though.

Hope your sitch gets sorted out quickly.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:31:06pm

I love this shit. People who obviously vote Republican pretending they’re not Republicans and hate Republicans while taking every opportunity to defend Republicans.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:31:43pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Yep me too. What an awesome deal. This one’s going right next to my mini Liberty Bell and bicentennial plate that I got from my grandparents.

Never forget, you can always order from the US GPO
goo.gl

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:31:48pm

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

I love this shit. People who obviously vote Republican pretending they’re not Republicans and hate Republicans while taking every opportunity to defend Republicans.

I for one look forward to the mental gymnastics in November.

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whitebeach  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:31:55pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ben Franklin’s AMA was the BESTEST ONE EVAH!

You know who could rock a blog? Fuckin Tom Paine. But for Twitter you need Patrick Henry.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:32:05pm

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, here’s the tweet.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:32:09pm

re: #384 Tigger2

I called the bank they stopped the card and put me in contact with the dispute dept, the lady I talked to said I should be able to get the money back in a couple weeks, it was payments to T Mobile and Straight talk, I haven’t had a cell phone in over 7 years.

That makes me jealous.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:32:24pm

re: #389 FormerDirtDart

Never forget, you can always order from the US GPO
goo.gl

That’s pretty sweet too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:32:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:33:07pm

re: #392 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, here’s the tweet.

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I hate that shit. “I’m not a Republican blah blah but I’ll bend over backwards to make excuse for why they don’t suck and why the Democrats are worse.” Typical conservative bullshti.

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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:33:47pm

re: #393 darthstar

That makes me jealous.

I have a Magic Jack through my puter, $30 a year with free long distance.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:33:54pm

Is that a Constitution in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:34:26pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:34:39pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

This knuckle-dragging oxygen thief is the Chair of the Senate committee on environment and public works.

As I sit in a 87℉ apartment with no A/C (for over a week), can someone explain why I shouldn’t wish harm on Inhofe and his buddies?

Never mind anthills. Inhofe is always saying “HUR HUR I FLYOVER COUNTRY!!1” Yeah, we get hurricanes on the coast, but they don’t just vanish; they become rainstorms as they move inland. Big rainstorms.

Inland flooding is a thing. And Not A Fun Thing.

Jim should try being in the attic of his nice house in flyover country, during a storm, watching the water rise fast, looking for that axe to chop a hole in the roof and fearing it’s in the basement.

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:35:05pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:35:06pm

Trump is really going to let loose now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:35:14pm
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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:35:40pm

re: #373 EPR-radar

NC GOPers need to fuck themselves vigorously with rusty farm implements. Their suppression of voters they regard as enemies rarely gets more blatant that this.

We just won a contract for a project in Durham in October. Every waking minute that I’m not working, I’ll be devoting to GOTV efforts in NC.

I will be interested to see how Hillary’s team utilizes SC volunteers. In 2008 and 2012, all the Obama canvassing and calling by volunteers in SC were devoted to NC as Sc pretty much gets abandoned as soon as the primary is over. I went up a few times—had friends that knocked on doors in NC every weekend.

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SteelPH  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:36:46pm

re: #402 jaunte

LOLWUT Trump was never nice in the first place.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:36:50pm
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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:37:23pm

re: #365 goddamnedfrank

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:37:31pm

I want someone to vocally ask Trump what he thinks about euthanasia. I’ll bet my life savings he starts talking about poor Chinese children.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:38:00pm
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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:38:04pm

re: #397 Tigger2

I have a Magic Jack through my puter, $30 a year with free long distance.

Magic Jack actually works? You know you can get a number through Google Voice for free and use it to send and recieve IMs…and make VOIP calls from your computer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:39:00pm

Donald heads to a 7 pm rally in Denver after Colorado Springs:

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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:39:05pm

re: #410 darthstar

Magic Jack actually works? You know you can get a number through Google Voice for free and use it to send and recieve IMs…and make VOIP calls from your computer.

Yeah my Magic Jack works great.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:38pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

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He’s going to be even more pathetic?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:50pm

re: #394 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty sweet too.

Or, you can order the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services version
goo.gl
They’ve been at sale price for at least the last year. Probably have a warehouse full

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:40:59pm

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:41:15pm
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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:41:26pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

the gloves are off

Do they still make them in small sizes for men?

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SteelPH  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:42:13pm

re: #420 freetoken

Do they still make them in small sizes for men?

Only a child’s mittens will suffice.

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:42:17pm

re: #419 Charles Johnson

Oh, Drumpfskind is pivoting alright… from opportunistic bigot to full on maniacal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:44:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:44:53pm
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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:45:33pm
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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:45:49pm

What the fuck is this shit? Really? Whoever this guy is he added me to some “San Francisco list” of his…but looking at his TL it’s all just RTs and emojis. How does a person like this function?

I mean, seriously…I know I use Social Media to fuck with people, be snarky, and occasionally say something serious, but this? This makes no sense at all…

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:45:56pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:47:51pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:47:52pm
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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:48:17pm

re: #417 FormerDirtDart

Or, you can order the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services version
goo.gl
They’ve been at sale price for at least the last year. Probably have a warehouse full

well it’s not edited very often….

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:48:23pm

re: #426 darthstar

What the fuck is this shit? Really? Whoever this guy is he added me to some “San Francisco list” of his…but looking at his TL it’s all just RTs and emojis. How does a person like this function?

Embedded Image

I mean, seriously…I know I use Social Media to fuck with people, be snarky, and occasionally say something serious, but this? This makes no sense at all…

Spambot.

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:48:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:49:22pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

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What a tool. Hey guys, I’m such a generous person because I don’t kill people.

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Frenchy  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:51:42pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jesus. Can’t this asshole learn to leave well enough alone?

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:52:15pm

I kicked a hornet’s nest by insulting Jill Stein and her anti-vax fuckery. I’ve got a bunch of far left and Green loons yelling at me right now. Haha.

Fun times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:52:23pm

re: #434 Frenchy

Jesus. Can’t this asshole learn to leave well enough alone?

Apparently not.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:53:11pm

re: #432 teleskiguy

He’ll skirt the ADA every chance he gets!
There’s got to be a history there. I hope Hillary’s people dig it up.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:53:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:53:55pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:54:43pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

He thinks his shit from months ago will Make Trump Popular Again!

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Scout  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:54:45pm

According to the Associated Press story on the discriminatory North Carolina voter ID law:

“Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist,” the opinion states.

The GOP is so goddamned un-American it makes me ill.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:55:08pm

Some good news:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:55:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:56:31pm

re: #401 Jenner7

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:56:32pm

if you havent seen it, this is cool

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:56:40pm

re: #437 Sherlock Hound

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Hillary is saving the dead hooker stuff for late October.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:58:14pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“She’s so qualified, no wonder they lie.”

brilliantly concise

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:59:21pm

re: #442 jaunte

Some good news:

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Drinkable water will one day be to the world market what oil is today.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:59:52pm

re: #439 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think so many people could benefit from learning more about her. I know I have.

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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 2:59:54pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did he lose track of time and is thinking it’s Throwback Thursday? Or is it just Fucked Up Friday in Trumpland? What. An. Asshole.

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:00:24pm

re: #437 Sherlock Hound

He’ll skirt the ADA every chance he gets!
There’s got to be a history there. I hope Hillary’s people dig it up.

Here you go:

Donald Trump’s War on People With Disabilities

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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:00:33pm

re: #429 jaunte

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Is this really such a “smart” strategy? Cuz if there’s one thing Team Trump is good at, it’s playing the Victim Card - and painting Combover Caligula and his deluded followers as the “victims” of some sort of Sinister Conspiracy/Fiendish Plan is, IMO, a sure way to simply reinforce their paranoia, and probably cause them to redouble their dedication to The Leader…

For me, derisive mockery is the better campaign strategy: the one thing the thin-skinned Trump can’t seem to deal with (in any fashion whatsoever) is being ignored and/ or dismissed: doing so will probably just goad him into ever-more-epic meltdowns.

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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:01:06pm

re: #387 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ll tell you a horror story. One of my Chinese students is studying in NYC now. Her wallet was stolen, and the thieves used her BoA debit card to clean out her account — $30K in all. She’s talked to the police and the bank, so i’m sure it will all be sorted out soon enough, but you can imagine how the poor kid felt after her bank account got cleaned out (many of those charges were flagged “pending,” so the BoA fraud detector algorithm must have slowed things down.)

While I was in Malaysia last winter, someone hijacked my PayPal debit card account. But I had less than $100 in it, and years ago turned off the automatic bank withdrawal option after a similar incident, so the damage was minimal. Still pissed me off, though.

Hope your sitch gets sorted out quickly.

Thanks

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:01:14pm
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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:01:23pm

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #438 FormerDirtDart

The GOP still doesn’t get that they brought all this crap on themselves, do they?

Dog chasing own tail

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:01:31pm

re: #451 No Depression

Here you go:

Donald Trump’s War on People With Disabilities

Thank you for that. That’s good to know along with Clinton’s very real efforts on people with disabilities. I have what’s called an invisible disability.so I was very touched when a speaker with bipolar I believe, Demi Lovaro spoke.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:01:39pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:02:07pm

“You are a Hillary Agent”

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:02:23pm

Ponder the insanity.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:02:25pm

re: #457 jaunte

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:02:34pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

I wonder whether Thomas Merton would get the urge to smack Ojoe for posting those stupid comments with his image on them.

Shame, Ojoe.

I’m so old I remember when he was a fun and valued Lizard, if a little eccentric in his party.

(Ojoe always did use the Merton avi, though.)

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:03:39pm

re: #457 jaunte

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Fucking George Wallace had more digntiy than this guy.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:04:02pm

Dumpster fires hate code enforcers

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:04:22pm

And, the hits just keep on coming…

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:04:26pm

Most candidates try to get past gaffes earlier in their campaign and avoid reminding the press (and thus the public) how stupid they can be.

Trump regularly takes his gaffes out for walkies so the press can be reminded of just how crazy the guy they’re defending is.

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:05:34pm

re: #442 jaunte

58 cents per thousand gallons is almost $199 per acre foot.

Which is considerably less than what treated water is sold locally:
sdcwa.org
though a great deal of the costs that go into those rates have to do with transportation of the water and treatment.

There is a new desalination plant now in San Diego county.

Inevitably, many locales around the world will have to go this way.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:05:37pm

re: #465 Targetpractice

Most candidates try to get past gaffes earlier in their campaign and avoid reminding the press (and thus the public) how stupid they can be.

Trump regularly takes his gaffes out for walkies so the press can be reminded of just how crazy the guy they’re defending is.

I’m seriously waiting for him to offering faint praise for Hitler before this campaign is done. Nothing is going to shock me anymore with Trump. Nothing. Well maybe him acting like an adult.

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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:06:20pm

re: #438 FormerDirtDart

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MCrory’s 14 yearn old nemesis. I Love Madison!

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makeitstop  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:06:41pm

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Okay lizards, get your shit together because the world is going to be destroyed in a few hours by a polar flip and we’re all gonna die.

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Needs theme music.

CLUTCH - Profits of Doom - Sounds of the Underground (LIVE)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:06:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:07:04pm

re: #468 BeachDem

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MCrory’s 14 yearn old nemesis. I Love Madison!

Not familiar with her? What’s the story. Sounds like a good kid.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:07:23pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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See you at Donald’s funeral then, Wolf.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:07:55pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow, the media not following Trump’s ranting uncut. Perhaps the worm finally has turned.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:08:33pm

apparently “More Watched Trump’s Speech Than Clinton’s”

i’m guessing this is like what we were discussing this morning with twitter.
more watched trump because of trainwreck / dumpster fire than for edification

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:09:59pm
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No Depression  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:10:05pm

re: #467 HappyWarrior

I’m seriously waiting for him to offering faint praise for Hitler before this campaign is done. Nothing is going to shock me anymore with Trump. Nothing. Well maybe him acting like an adult.

Adolph Hitler? I don’t know who that is.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:10:13pm

re: #463 jaunte

Dumpster fires hate code enforcers

I saw a real dumpster fire last week! My first.

Called and talked to my dad. Today is his 60th birthday. (I knew it was his birthday. The number …well, I was off by a year or two.) We talked running. My parents are helping my baby sister move apartments today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:10:59pm
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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:11:40pm

re: #462 HappyWarrior

Fucking George Wallace had more digntiy than this guy.

Hate to admit it, but yeah. More political smarts, too, by a LONG margin…

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:12:21pm

re: #475 goddamnedfrank

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primary tactics wont work in the general

she is gonna school him like the 5 year old he is

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:13:11pm

re: #476 No Depression

Adolph Hitler? I don’t know who that is.

didnt he and trump share a green room on 60 minutes one time?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:13:46pm

so pathetic and needy:

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stpaulbear  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:13:57pm

re: #442 jaunte

Some good news:

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So we can DRINK the ocean levels down to normal! Take THAT, libtards!

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dharmamark  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:14:34pm

re: #469 makeitstop

Love these guys. Saw them at the 930 club a couple of years ago and will be seeing them again this December.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:14:37pm

re: #481 dangerman

didnt he and trump share a green room on 60 minutes one time?

Although at the same time for the same program, it was separate green rooms in different countries.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:14:41pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

so pathetic and needy:

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“PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!”

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:16:01pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The CO fire marshal Trump called incompetent today was named Civilian of the Year in Feb. for his actions during a mass shooting last year.

not only does he say stuff without thinking, he keeps picking the wrong targets. he has no idea who he’s insulting half the time

i know he doesnt care. but still. its so obvious he’s clueless of them as people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:16:07pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaha

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:17:12pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

so pathetic and needy:

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More than happy to debate science issues with @realDonaldTrump, @HillaryClinton & @GovGaryJohnson.

stuff you want to debate isn’t science. no quotation marks around science necessary

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:18:02pm
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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:18:08pm

re: #483 stpaulbear

So we can DRINK the ocean levels down to normal! Take THAT, libtards!

right, cause no one ever sweats or pees or …..

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:18:57pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

I’m so old I remember when he was a fun and valued Lizard, if a little eccentric in his party.

(Ojoe always did use the Merton avi, though.)

That was back when the LGF Overton window was shifted really far to the right. Now he’s a remnant of a bygone era who, unlike other right leaning posters here, was never able to grow or adapt. He’s just reduced to mindless trolling now, it’s sad.

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stpaulbear  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:19:00pm

re: #460 Lidane

Did someone slip Trump a brownie?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:19:00pm

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

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Always read the comments:

Real American1 hour ago
We need one of these for liberals.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:20:02pm

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahaha

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…yeah that would be over faster than a #Tyson fight.

which Tyson?

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:20:13pm

re: #446 teleskiguy

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Hillary is saving the dead hooker stuff for late October.

Dead hookers just don’t get the same kind of play in today’s media that they used to. Sad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:20:30pm

OK just started the Windows 10 installation on the desktop.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:20:43pm

re: #495 dangerman

which Tyson?

either one.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:22:43pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:22:56pm

I get that the media likes to keep engaging in this fantasy that Stein is a serious contender, but so far the only third party candidate who seems to be making any sort of splash is Johnson. Stein’s poll numbers haven’t budged much at all since Bernie bowed out, despite all the assurances from the Bros that there would be “millions” who’d leave the DNC to go support her against Hillary.

Look for her to bitch louder and louder between now and September that the rules should be bent/discarded so she can have a spot on the stage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:24:15pm

If you haven’t seen it today, the #BlackWomenDidThat hashtag has been really great. I learned a lot about some amazing women I’ve never heard about.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:24:37pm

re: #499 gocart mozart

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I see she’s been drinking with Ben Shapiro.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:24:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:25:30pm

re: #500 Targetpractice

I get that the media likes to keep engaging in this fantasy that Stein is a serious contender, but so far the only third party candidate who seems to be making any sort of splash is Johnson. Stein’s poll numbers haven’t budged much at all since Bernie bowed out, despite all the assurances from the Bros that there would be “millions” who’d leave the DNC to go support her against Hillary.

Look for her to bitch louder and louder between now and September that the rules should be bent/discarded so she can have a spot on the stage.

Johnson is acting like the second most adult candidate in the race. He’s an ass in his own way but not in the way Stein and Trump are.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:26:13pm

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Johnson is acting like the second most adult candidate in the race. He’s an ass in his own way but not in the way Stein and Trump are.

Ironically, he’s the only other candidate who’s held any kind of public office.

I wonder if there’s some correlation here…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:26:58pm

re: #505 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ironically, he’s the only other candidate who’s held any kind of public office.

I wonder if there’s some correlation here…

That’s true.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:27:17pm

re: #482 Backwoods_Sleuth

so pathetic and needy:

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Yeah. Hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:27:22pm

re: #468 BeachDem

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MCrory’s 14 yearn old nemesis. I Love Madison!

That’s the little kid with the ‘suffragette’ hat? Been wondering what became of her. Her page also had some possibly useful contact info—still having some planning trouble for N FL. Keep getting opportunities for forlorn AL, though.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:28:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:28:49pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:28:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:29:45pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From judges to now fire marshals. God, it’s going to be a mess whether this clown wins or loses.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:30:32pm

re: #512 HappyWarrior

Not to mention Marine generals.

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KerFuFFler  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:31:21pm

I don’t know if this story from the Bundy saga has already gotten mentioned:

“I, ryan c, man, require fair and just compensation of $1,000,000.00 for acting in any “Role”; and; i require you to send payment in full; and; in advance, prior to [my] accepting any Role other than man, flesh and blood, made in the image of The Lord God Almighty,” Bundy wrote.

He filed the documents through his court-appointed standby counsel and shown to federal prosecutors, who succinctly responded: “The government takes no position on this filing.”

Bundy, who argued that his wife and children are members of the Bundy society, also demanded $100 million if he was ordered to face a judge in connection with the armed occupation earlier this year……

Bundy said the government should pay him $800 million in restitution for violating his rights for prosecuting and jailing him in connection with the Malheur occupation and the armed 2014 standoff at his father’s Nevada cattle ranch.

Say what?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:31:41pm

re: #513 jaunte

Not to mention Marine generals.

Yep. Though to be fair, he actually is a Clinton supporter and for damn good reason.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:32:08pm

My guess is that the fire marshal did not have a single personal thing to do with any of this, beyond a standard printed fire marshal sign on the room noting the legal capacity of the room.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:32:51pm

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

My guess is that the fire marshal did not have a single personal thing to do with any of this, beyond a standard printed fire marshal sign on the room noting the legal capacity of the room.

Yeah just doing his job.

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Scout  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:32:59pm

I have no idea whether this is just a Photoshop, but the fact that it even MIGHT be authentic speaks volumes:

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:33:02pm

re: #435 Lidane

I kicked a hornet’s nest by insulting Jill Stein and her anti-vax fuckery. I’ve got a bunch of far left and Green loons yelling at me right now. Haha.

Fun times.

Moonbat tears can be as sweet as the wingnut ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:33:12pm

re: #514 KerFuFFler

I don’t know if this story from the Bundy saga has already gotten mentioned:

Say what?

my favorite part of that statement is where Ryan Bundy affirms that he is an “idiot”.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:34:03pm

re: #514 KerFuFFler

I don’t know if this story from the Bundy saga has already gotten mentioned:

Say what?

It came up here a day or so ago. Showing up to court in clown shoes and wearing a red rubber nose never ends well.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:34:05pm

re: #519 Nyet

Moonbat tears can be as sweet as the wingnut ones.

Sweet and spicy can be good just not always at the same time though I did recently have a chocolate bar with some Tabasco flavor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:35:05pm

The hits keep coming:

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:35:08pm

re: #518 Scout

CNN’s “Breaking News” Chyron Is Out Of Its Goddamn Mind

buzzfeed.com

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:35:27pm

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka

OK just started the Windows 10 installation on the desktop.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:35:35pm

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

The hits keep coming:

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Nice. Take that Wanker.

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Teukka  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:35:40pm

re: #494 Decatur Deb

Always read the comments:

Real American1 hour ago
We need one of these for liberals.

Good grief.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:37:20pm

re: #527 Teukka

Good grief.

But temember the left are teh real hateful ones.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:37:44pm

re: #438 FormerDirtDart

Fuck that guy.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:37:55pm

re: #522 HappyWarrior

Sweet and spicy can be good just not always at the same time though I did recently have a chocolate bar with some Tabasco flavor.

How was it?

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:38:11pm

David Brooks - NYT

The Sanders people have 90 percent of the Democratic Party’s passion and 95 percent of the ideas. Most Sanders people are kind- and open-hearted, but there is a core that is corrupted by moral preening, an uncompromising absolutism and a paranoid unwillingness to play by the rules of civic life.

But the extremist fringe that threatens to take over the Democratic Party seems less menacing than the lunatic fringe that has already taken over the Republican one.

This week I left the arena here each night burning with indignation at Mike Pence. I almost don’t blame Trump. He is a morally untethered, spiritually vacuous man who appears haunted by multiple personality disorders. It is the “sane” and “reasonable” Republicans who deserve the shame — the ones who stood silently by, or worse, while Donald Trump gave away their party’s sacred inheritance.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:38:50pm

re: #530 Nyet

How was it?

Pretty good. What I needed for a four hour drive to the beach.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:39:40pm

re: #499 gocart mozart

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Who is she?

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:39:46pm
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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:40:00pm

re: #531 dangerman

“Judeo-Christian”

*drink*

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:40:32pm

re: #534 gocart mozart

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The mean girl who insulted you by calling you a Thesbian when you were in Drama Class.

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:40:41pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:40:48pm

re: #523 Backwoods_Sleuth

The hits keep coming:

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That sound you hear is the GOP shitting a collective brick as they watch states they thought they had a lock on begin to fall out of their grasp.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:41:05pm

re: #388 goddamnedfrank

I love this shit. People who obviously vote Republican pretending they’re not Republicans and hate Republicans while taking every opportunity to defend Republicans.

Looking at his follows and timeline, he’s an alt-righter with lots of pro-Trump content. He’s not a Republican in the same vein that David Duke isn’t supposed to be one.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:41:06pm

re: #531 dangerman

David Brooks - NYT

The Sanders people have 90 percent of the Democratic Party’s passion and 95 percent of the ideas. Most Sanders people are kind- and open-hearted, but there is a core that is corrupted by moral preening, an uncompromising absolutism and a paranoid unwillingness to play by the rules of civic life.

But the extremist fringe that threatens to take over the Democratic Party seems less menacing than the lunatic fringe that has already taken over the Republican one.

This week I left the arena here each night burning with indignation at Mike Pence. I almost don’t blame Trump. He is a morally untethered, spiritually vacuous man who appears haunted by multiple personality disorders. It is the “sane” and “reasonable” Republicans who deserve the shame — the ones who stood silently by, or worse, while Donald Trump gave away their party’s sacred inheritance.

I really take issue with Brooks saying the Sanders people have 90% of the Democratic Party’s ideas and 95% of its passion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:42:21pm

re: #536 HappyWarrior

The mean girl who insulted you by calling you a Thesbian when you were in Drama Class.

I want to make a comparison to the high school jock who is still living out his glory days in the school parking lot while in his middle years…

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makeitstop  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:42:24pm

re: #446 teleskiguy

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Hillary is saving the dead hooker stuff for late October.

Yeah, the rapey stuff and mob connections.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:43:45pm

re: #540 HappyWarrior

I really take issue with Brooks saying the Sanders people have 90% of the Democratic Party’s ideas and 95% of its passion.

yeah
i didnt agree with that paragraph either. i thought to leave it for continuity because that’s where he started the thought

and i did like the last two lines…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:44:16pm

re: #543 dangerman

yeah
i didnt agree with that paragraph either. i thought to leave it for continuity because that’s where he started the thought

and i did like the last two lines…

Gotcha.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:44:36pm

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to make a comparison to the high school jock who is still living out his glory days in the school parking lot while in his middle years…

That works too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:45:08pm

“news”…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:45:43pm

This is what I think of every time someone mentions that there will need to be an asterisk next to the “first female President” because her opponent is so unqualified.

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gocart mozart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:46:29pm

Prince has 30 less alleged heirs today, only 6 alleged left. Not too late to claim to be his long lost child and heir to 150 million. What are you lizards waiting for?

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:47:37pm

re: #548 gocart mozart

Prince has 30 less alleged heirs today, only 6 alleged left. Not too late to claim to be his long lost child and heir to 150 million. What are you lizards waiting for?

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Waiting for people to realize that as a semi-recluse, it’s pretty unlikely that Prince had any children.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:48:16pm

This is pretty cool for weather geeks:

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makeitstop  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:49:04pm

re: #484 dharmamark

Love these guys. Saw them at the 930 club a couple of years ago and will be seeing them again this December.

They are in my top 2 or 3 favorite bands. Unbeholden to trends, deathly consistent, heavy af when they want to be, funny as hell. They exist in their own musical universe.

This songs makes me want to jump in the truck and floor the fuck out of it.

Clutch - X-Ray Visions

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:49:12pm

re: #549 thedopefishlives

Waiting for people to realize that as a semi-recluse, it’s pretty unlikely that Prince had any children.

He had one documented child who, sadly, died at (or shortly after) birth.

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:50:15pm

Poor kids…

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:50:15pm

re: #552 Backwoods_Sleuth

He had one documented child who, sadly, died at (or shortly after) birth.

And there you have it. That actually explains a lot.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:50:37pm

Whoa. The Houston Chronicle has officially endorsed Hillary Clinton:

These are unsettling times that require a steady hand: That’s not Donald Trump.

The Chronicle editorial page does not typically endorse early in an election cycle; we prefer waiting for the campaign to play out and for issues to emerge and be addressed. We make an exception in the 2016 presidential race, because the choice between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is not merely political. It is something much more basic than party preference.

An election between the Democrat Clinton and, let’s say, the Republican Jeb Bush or John Kasich or Marco Rubio, even the hyper-ideological Ted Cruz, would spark a much-needed debate about the role of government and the nation’s future, about each candidate’s experience and abilities. But those Republican hopefuls have been vanquished. To choose the candidate who defeated them - fairly and decisively, we should point out - is to repudiate the most basic notions of competence and capability.

Any one of Trump’s less-than-sterling qualities - his erratic temperament, his dodgy business practices, his racism, his Putin-like strongman inclinations and faux-populist demagoguery, his contempt for the rule of law, his ignorance - is enough to be disqualifying. His convention-speech comment, “I alone can fix it,” should make every American shudder. He is, we believe, a danger to the Republic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:51:46pm

Latest RCP poll shows Hillary & Donald in a virtual tie, after yesterday showed Donald 0.9 ahead. Hill didn’t get a bump from her awesome speech (yet) but Donald dropped.

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Lidane  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:52:38pm

re: #549 thedopefishlives

Waiting for people to realize that as a semi-recluse, it’s pretty unlikely that Prince had any children.

He was married for a time and DID have one child with his wife, but that baby died in infancy. It had some sort of rare genetic disorder, IIRC.

The possibility of him having any other children? Unlikely.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:52:40pm
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dangerman  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:53:25pm

re: #547 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is what I think of every time someone mentions that there will need to be an asterisk next to the “first female President” because her opponent is so unqualified.

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i trust her 8 year legacy will speak for itself. no “*” necessary

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451_Montag  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:56:22pm

I’ve a sneaking suspicion that this election is going to be an absolute masterclass of electioneering.

Does anyone doubt that the Hillary Machine has totally got this? Massive GOTV efforts, target rich candidate. So far every “scandal” has been handled well.

The biggest tell is the utter lack of knee jerk reaction to Putin’s puce-shaded-splodge-bucket.

They just let him go off, stand back and snigger at his colossal ineptitude, no fuss, no drama, just let him bury himself slowly.

I am waiting for the ads. I bet they are short, just his own words, plentiful and cheap. I’d like to see 30 second “without comment” slots. Just splice clips showing absolute lies, each with the myriad contradictions. Couple it with a few big production Hillary focused, not even mentioning the ambulatory douche.

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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:57:03pm

re: #471 HappyWarrior

Not familiar with her? What’s the story. Sounds like a good kid.

She got upset about the treatment of a family at a theme park when she was 12, and then went to try to address McCrory—he blew her off and said she was a “prop” which did not set well with her. She then got involved with Moral Mondays: has written scathing articles about Phyllis Schlaffly and Ted Cruz; has a blog functionalhumanbeing.blogspot.com

is a huge Hillary supporter; speaks at various events and is an amazing kid. And, as I’ve mentioned before, I know she’s the real deal because I first met her when she was 12 and she spoke and also participated in a panel discussion—off the cuff. And her parents are not political—she came to it on her own.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:57:12pm

re: #531 dangerman

David Brooks - NYT

The Sanders people have 90 percent of the Democratic Party’s passion and 95 percent of the ideas. Most Sanders people are kind- and open-hearted, but there is a core that is corrupted by moral preening, an uncompromising absolutism and a paranoid unwillingness to play by the rules of civic life.

But the extremist fringe that threatens to take over the Democratic Party seems less menacing than the lunatic fringe that has already taken over the Republican one.

This week I left the arena here each night burning with indignation at Mike Pence. I almost don’t blame Trump. He is a morally untethered, spiritually vacuous man who appears haunted by multiple personality disorders. It is the “sane” and “reasonable” Republicans who deserve the shame — the ones who stood silently by, or worse, while Donald Trump gave away their party’s sacred inheritance.

That’s adorable. David Fucking Brooks speaks of the GOP’s “sacred inheritance” as something pitched overboard by Trump.

Not so. All that was good and useful in the GOP has been steadily getting leached away by decades of pandering to cranks and bigots. Trump simply moved in right as this little project was being completed.

And David Fucking Brooks has personally contributed more than most to the ongoing degeneration of the Republican party.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:57:18pm

re: #514 KerFuFFler

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #521 EPR-radar

In easy English:
OK, that’s all a load of nonsense.
You can’t bring up that nonsense again, especially during trial.
And,
Sir, we’ve talked about this before, you’re trying my patience. Don’t be trying my patience anymore.

564
Sherlock Hound  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:57:39pm

re: #559 dangerman

“There’s no asterisk next to George W. Bush’s name.”

565
freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:59:11pm
566
HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:59:23pm

re: #561 BeachDem

She got upset about the treatment of a family at a theme park when she was 12, and then went to try to address McCrory—he blew her off and said she was a “prop” which did not set well with her. She then got involved with Moral Mondays: has written scathing articles about Phyllis Schlaffly and Ted Cruz; has a blog functionalhumanbeing.blogspot.com

is a huge Hillary supporter; speaks at various events and is an amazing kid. And, as I’ve mentioned before, I know she’s the real deal because I first met her when she was 12 and she spoke and also participated in a panel discussion—off the cuff. And her parents are not political—she came to it on her own.

Oh yeah, I do remember her letter to Phyillis now.

567
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 3:59:34pm

re: #563 FormerDirtDart

In easy English:
OK, that’s all a load of nonsense.
You can’t bring up that nonsense again, especially during trial.
And,
Sir, we’ve talked about this before, you’re trying my patience. Don’t be trying my patience anymore.

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That’s because Ryan Bundy is an eejit.

568
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:00:50pm

More about Wisconsin

569
plansbandc  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:01:21pm

I doubt everything because the thought of the fascist taking control freaks me the fuck out.

570
EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:02:06pm

re: #563 FormerDirtDart

That would be the legal equivalent of “not even wrong” in physics.

571
freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:02:19pm

Thought for the hour:

We’re already one sixth of the way through the 21st century.

572
MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:02:48pm

re: #560 451_Montag

I’ve a sneaking suspicion that this election is going to be an absolute masterclass of electioneering.

Does anyone doubt that the Hillary Machine has totally got this? Massive GOTV efforts, target rich candidate. So far every “scandal” has been handled well.

The biggest tell is the utter lack of knee jerk reaction to Putin’s puce-shaded-splodge-bucket.

They just let him go off, stand back and snigger at his colossal ineptitude, no fuss, no drama, just let him bury himself slowly.

I am waiting for the ads. I bet they are short, just his own words, plentiful and cheap. I’d like to see 30 second “without comment” slots. Just splice clips showing absolute lies, each with the myriad contradictions. Couple it with a few big production Hillary focused, not even mentioning the ambulatory douche.

One major event and all bets are off. The Olympics in a place the local police said they can’t patrol effectively start in one week.

One piece of made-up “released data” from these data incursions. All bets are off.

Electioneering is a piece. We need to be constantly vigilant. It’s anything but In The Bag.

573
Teukka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:02:48pm

re: #569 plansbandc

I doubt everything because the thought of the fascist taking control freaks me the fuck out.

“The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored because it cannot survive their being repeated”

574
dharmamark  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:03:26pm

re: #551 makeitstop

Agreed. Not speed trap music.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:03:33pm

re: #571 freetoken

Thought for the hour:

We’re already one sixth of the way through the 21st century.

I’m hoping the first third of the 21st century doesn’t end up being similar to the first third of the 20th century.

576
goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:04:13pm
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plansbandc  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:04:43pm
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Tigger2  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:05:41pm

re: #576 goddamnedfrank

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I hear the pony express is pretty nice.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:05:48pm
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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:06:34pm

re: #576 goddamnedfrank

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IP via Avian Carriers is clearly the correct form of communication for the US military.

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VegasGolfer  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:06:57pm

trump would’ve scored it a 3

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:08:07pm

re: #520 Backwoods_Sleuth

my favorite part of that statement is where Ryan Bundy affirms that he is an “idiot”.

It’s the same root in “idiopathic”, “idiomatic”,—individual, isolated. The Greeks (well, the Athenians) calledanyone who didn’t participate in politics an “idiotes”.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:08:16pm

re: #578 Tigger2

I hear the pony express is pretty nice.

Only if you encrypt using the Mk1A1 Scytale.

en.wikipedia.org

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:08:21pm

re: #555 Lidane

Whoa. The Houston Chronicle has officially endorsed Hillary Clinton:

These are unsettling times that require a steady hand: That’s not Donald Trump.

Benghazi! Email! Arkancide! Vince Foster! Massively corrupt Jew justice system (only way Hillary could have gotten away with it)! Foster, er, Paula Jo—-er, uh, more Benghazi! Juanita, er, whatsherface! Help me! I’m meltiiiinnnngg!

585
teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:08:56pm

Reading the comments over at UpChuck’s crappy blog got me all like

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:09:08pm

re: #580 thedopefishlives

IP via Avian Carriers is clearly the correct form of communication for the US military.

The US Army Pigeon School at Ft Monmouth only closed in 1954 IIRC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:09:14pm

re: #584 Shiplord Kirel

Benghazi! Email! Arkancide! Vince Foster! Massively corrupt Jew justice system (only way Hillary could have gotten away with it)! Foster, er, Paula Jo—-er, uh, more Benghazi! Juanita, er, whatsherface! Help me! I’m meltiiiinnnngg!

588
MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:09:15pm

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s because Ryan Bundy is an eejit.

Seriously, you have got to admit that was some of the best “legal” motioning we’ve ever seen. Really. It was stellar, pure comedic gold.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:09:16pm

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

More about Wisconsin

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So, this would be Texas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin who have had their attempts to disenfranchise minority voters tossed out in the last week. Given how quickly states literally jumped to implement these statutes after Shelby County v Holder effectively gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and how each and every one of them have shown to be of racist intent, I think that once a new Supreme Court justice is seated that the decision needs to be revisited ASAP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:10:19pm

re: #585 teleskiguy

Reading the comments over at UpChuck’s crappy blog got me all like

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I’ve been taking a holiday from visiting his site. What nonsense lies there now?

591
Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:10:40pm

I seriously cannot believe this shit:

592
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:11:13pm

Trump wants to get NATO to fight ISIS for us, after they pay the protection vig of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:11:18pm

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s because Ryan Bundy is an eejit.

re: #582 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s the same root in “idiopathic”, “idiomatic”,—individual, isolated. The Greeks (well, the Athenians) calledanyone who didn’t participate in politics an “idiotes”.

JJ MacNab did some ‘splainin’ on “Idiot” earlier today:

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:11:57pm

re: #589 Bill and Opus for 2016!

So, this would be Texas, North Carolina, and Wisconsin who have had their attempts to disenfranchise minority voters tossed out in the last week. Given how quickly states literally jumped to implement these statutes after Shelby County v Holder effectively gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and how each and every one of them have shown to be of racist intent, I think that once a new Supreme Court justice is seated that the decision needs to be revisited ASAP.

100% agree. IMO, that voting rights act case was the single most disgusting thing this conservative SCOTUS has done, and God knows there is fierce competition for that title.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:12:34pm

re: #593 FormerDirtDart

JJ MacNab did some ‘splainin’ on “Idiot” earlier today:

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Yes, for the sovereign citizen movement, it’s common to find some obscure, arcane terminology in extremely old editions of Black’s and attempt to use it in a legal “gotcha”. Judges are usually unamused by this.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:12:41pm

re: #457 jaunte

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LOL, in the responses a wingnut is attacking him because he’s Canadian. I swear, these people, including their beloved Cheeto Jesus, aren’t gonna survive till November—they’ll spontaneously combust. *headdesk, facepalm*

Insert barely controlled, bug-eyed, spittle-flecked, throbbing-vein-in-forehead rage where appropriate:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:12:51pm

re: #538 Targetpractice

That sound you hear is the GOP shitting a collective brick as they watch states they thought they had a lock on begin to fall out of their grasp.

They’ll appeal, the SC will be evenly split, the laws will stay in effect. Hopefully by four years from now, IF we win this time, we can do something about voter suppression.

598
Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:13:44pm

re: #594 EPR-radar

100% agree. IMO, that voting rights act case was the single most disgusting thing this conservative SCOTUS has done, and God knows there is fierce competition for that title.

Speaking of which, I wonder how many of them will vote for the Drumpftser Fire (Thomas and Alito are a sure bet. Kennedy, I doubt it, but Roberts…?)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:13:49pm

re: #582 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #593 FormerDirtDart

Ryan Bundy is still an eejit.

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:13:57pm

re: #590 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’ve been taking a holiday from visiting his site. What nonsense lies there now?

His latest has been hashed out here already, Hillary has suffered numerous strokes (zero evidence) and Twitter is going the way of the dodo because Milo and their blatant anti-white bias. The comments are hilarious.

He did a podcast with The Daily Stormer, don’t know if I have the stomach to listen to it. After all, it’s a lovely Friday evening and there’s finally a nice breeze blowing through my window.

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CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:14:53pm

re: #568 Backwoods_Sleuth

More about Wisconsin

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Never should’ve dissed that Mexican judge. //

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:15:06pm

re: #593 FormerDirtDart

That definition of “idiot” amounts to a profound lack of mental capacity, much in line with modern normal usage.

Bundy doesn’t know what the hell he is doing here (big surprise).

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:15:28pm

Recommended:

Why Growth Will Fall

[…]

The last three columns show how the growth was divided between the bottom fifth, the middle fifth, and the top 1 percent of the income distribution. The first subperiod was one of shared prosperity; indeed, the bottom groups fared slightly better than the top. However, in the most recent years, particularly since 2000, the decline in average income growth was further exacerbated for the lowest income groups by a declining share of the total. So, for the bottom fifth, the growth in real income declined from 3 percent at the end of the special century to essentially zero in the last fifteen years. Of this catastrophic decline, about half was due to the slower overall growth, while half was due to rising inequality. Gordon has an extensive review of the sources of rising inequality, but his emphasis on the role of declining productivity growth is an important and durable part of the story of stagnant incomes.

[…]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:15:55pm

re: #597 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’ll appeal, the SC will be evenly split, the laws will stay in effect. Hopefully by four years from now, IF we win this time, we can do something about voter suppression.

The laws were struck down. That’s what will stay in effect in the case of a 4-4 ruling.

605
Sherlock Hound  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:16:03pm

re: #577 plansbandc

So sweet. Choked.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:16:37pm

re: #600 teleskiguy

His latest has been hashed out here already, Hillary has suffered numerous strokes (zero evidence) and Twitter is going the way of the dodo because Milo and their blatant anti-white bias. The comments are hilarious.

He did a podcast with The Daily Stormer, don’t know if I have the stomach to listen to it. After all, it’s a lovely Friday evening and there’s finally a nice breeze blowing through my window.

OK, he’s gone off into Alex Jones CT crap. If I have time, I may attempt riffing on it, but frankly CCJ has become so marginal that covering his antics is less fun than it used to be.

607
Shiplord Kirel  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:17:01pm

I would remind the Republicans and their hooting, feces-flinging base that Hillary Clinton has not yet been charged, indicted, or jailed in any jurisdiction anywhere, for even one of her hundreds of alleged felonies.
How, then, do the Repubs propose that Hillary was able to subvert the sworn judges and law enforcement officials of numerous counties, several states, the federal government, and the International Court of Justice for almost 30 years?

Their whole campaign is a gigantic conspiracy theory, perhaps the largest yet.

608
plansbandc  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:17:13pm

Can you imagine how much bullshit HRC has had to deal with? God forbid a woman would try to have power. Anywho, despite the relentless attacks, she has, at last secured the nomination.

Let’s contemplate for a second how absolute murderously pissed all the people who have tried to pin the ridiculous amount of bullshit on her. And yet, she is our fantastic nominee. I love her. I voted for her in the primaries in 2008. I wanted her to run then. But when Obama was the nominee. I happily voted for him. I was sorry we didn’t go for HRC, but I am a Dem and I am for Dems. I am absolutely proud to have voted for Obama twice. And now? Holy crap! I think HRC is going to be fantastic!

I am SO HAPPY to vote for her for President. It blows me away. Fuck the fascist yam.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:17:17pm

re: #592 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants to get NATO to fight ISIS for us, after they pay the protection vig of course.

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NATO should pay us in order to fight our wars.

No wonder the GOP has to spend time assuring our allies that Trump will have no real power if he wins.

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:18:23pm

re: #606 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

OK, he’s gone off into Alex Jones CT crap. If I have time, I may attempt riffing on it, but frankly CCJ has become so marginal that covering his antics is less fun than it used to be.

I say shut GotNwes down when you start seeing bigger numbers than the real deal, which can’t be too far off. :)

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:18:30pm

re: #602 EPR-radar

That definition of “idiot” amounts to a profound lack of mental capacity, much in line with modern normal usage.

Bundy doesn’t know what the hell he is doing here (big surprise).

Undoubtedly some ‘special’ use of the word he heard in a motel seminar, right between “How To Make Your Own License Plate” and “Fringey Flagging”..

612
Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:18:35pm

re: #581 VegasGolfer

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trump would’ve scored it a 3

Bull. Trump never needs more than one stroke per hole.

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:19:41pm

Have I told you folks how much of a godsend that little pencil is? I’m a typo machine, but none of you seem to notice.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:19:50pm

re: #586 Decatur Deb

The US Army Pigeon School at Ft Monmouth only closed in 1954 IIRC.

And then Ft Monmouth closed in the 90s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:03pm
616
Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:27pm

re: #560 451_Montag

Does anyone doubt that the Hillary Machine has totally got this?

I don’t doubt the professionalism of the Hillary campaign.

I doubt the American electorate.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:32pm

re: #609 Targetpractice

No wonder the GOP has to spend time assuring our allies that Trump will have no real power if he wins.

That’s what Brad DeLong was saying yesterday: if by some strange twist of fate Trum p gets elected, 24 hours after swearing in they’ll pull an 25th Amendment on him. Then the question becomes will the Dems give them that they want without exacting some form of political payback, given that it takes 2/3rds to make the removal “permanent” and leave Pence as Acting President.

618
Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:33pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #546 Backwoods_Sleuth

“news”…

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OH FFS, he has Drumpf winning Wisconsin. Get the fuck outta here…

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:46pm

re: #591 Kragar

I seriously cannot believe this shit:

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And that got applause.

Fuck ME with a rusty farm implement.

620
Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:20:57pm

re: #514 KerFuFFler

Every one is a hero in their own story.

Bundy’s story is so badly written it will never be popular. No one could believe the male protagonist in it is such a dipshit.

621
Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:21:29pm

re: #614 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And then Ft Monmouth closed in the 90s.

Took that long to clean up the pigeon shit.

(And the Bomarc nuclear accident debris, but that’s another issue.)

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:21:52pm

re: #591 Kragar

I seriously cannot believe this shit:

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PONY EXPRESS! BACK WHEN AMERICA WAS STILL GREAT!!!

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:21:56pm

re: #555 Lidane

I believe that’s the first time the HC has endorsed a Democrat since Kennedy.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:22:10pm

re: #602 EPR-radar

That definition of “idiot” amounts to a profound lack of mental capacity, much in line with modern normal usage.

Bundy doesn’t know what the hell he is doing here (big surprise).

I took it more as “willful ignorance”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:22:38pm

He actually said this:

He said, imitating Clinton, “I would like to congratulate my Republican opponent for having something that nobody has ever done in the history of politics in this nation. And I would like to congratulate my opponent for having gotten more votes than anybody in the history of the Republican Party in the primary season.”

“I thought she might do something like that. I thought she’d give me a big, fat, beautiful congratulations. If she did that, wouldn’t that be cool? Wouldn’t that be great?”

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:22:49pm

re: #615 The Vicious Babushka

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“Why won’t Hillary congratulate me after I’ve spent months portraying her as the anti-Christ?!”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:22:52pm

re: #621 Decatur Deb

Took that long to clean up the pigeon shit.

(And the Bomarc nuclear accident debris, but that’s another issue.)

Actually my dates are off. Apparently.

The official closure wasn’t until 2011. I guess it was announced in 2005.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:23:13pm

re: #560 451_Montag

They’re already doing the “silent” ads with just Trump ranting. Have you seen the one with the children watching him on TV yet? It’s awesome.

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Jay C  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:24:14pm

re: #613 teleskiguy

Have I told you folks how much of a godsend that little pencil is? I’m a typo machine, but none of you seem to notice.

Oh yeha, telskielgyu, w’eev figruerd out hwo tp use ti, logn tiym ago//

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:24:26pm

I assert that we should not underestimate the long term societal changes that will happen if we continue with decades where the poorest half of our society see no economic growth while the upper echelon of society continues growth (even slower than 20th century growth) in wealth and opportunity.

We will once again become a class-dominant society, and if the xenophobes amongst us succeed, a caste-type society where certain language speakers or religious practitioners or descendants of particular ancestral-groups become permanent underclasses.

Now all this can’t happen overnight. It takes an entire lifetime.

But we are now going down that path.

631
Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:24:38pm

Hey, does anyone know whatever became of Obdicut? His last comment was over a year ago :(

632
darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:25:07pm

What’s the tag for the goldenrod font?

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b.d.  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:25:41pm

Is Trump really doing all of this stuff I keep reading about?

The convention must have finally drove him over the edge.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:25:45pm

re: #627 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Actually my dates are off. Apparently.

The official closure wasn’t until 2011. I guess it was announced in 2005.

Many BRAC sites live on as zombie installations. The most funny was a USAF base with a tiny NASA tenant organization that became a tiny NASA base surrounded by a large USAF tenant.

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:25:46pm

Did Trump congratulate her in his speech?

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:26:18pm

re: #548 gocart mozart

Prince has 30 less alleged heirs today, only 6 alleged left. Not too late to claim to be his long lost child and heir to 150 million. What are you lizards waiting for?

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Other than the fact that I’m older than him and white?

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:26:28pm

re: #632 darthstar

What’s the tag for the goldenrod font?

[ wingnut ] [ color GoldenRod ] …insert text… [ / color ] [ / wingnut ]

No spaces.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:26:47pm

re: #627 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:26:47pm

re: #620 Romantic Heretic

Every one is a hero in their own story.

Buddy’s story is so badly written it will never be popular. No one could believe the male protagonist in it is such a dipshit.

There’s a legitimately sad part of this story. This Bundy son apparently had a serious head injury while he was a child, and may well have some real mental issues. Shame on the other Bundys for including him in their dangerous nonsense.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:27:40pm

re: #632 darthstar

What’s the tag for the goldenrod font?

<*strong*>[*wingnut*][*large*][*color Goldenrod*] [*/color*][*/large*][*/wingnut*]<*/strong>

Remove the *’s

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:28:16pm

re: #635 Jenner7

Did Trump congratulate her in his speech?

Of course not. Also, has he ever *NOT* said “Crooked” before mentioning her name?

642
Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:28:34pm
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b.d.  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:28:37pm
Trump’s speech had 34.9 million viewers and Clinton had 33.8 million.

“We beat her by millions,” Trump said at a Friday afternoon rally.

money.cnn.com

Watch out people, Donald has teh math.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:28:38pm

Trump doesn’t realize that the military does not transfer information via media (CD/DVD/thumb drive) very much anymore. This is done to prevent spreading of viruses.
And paper, sheesh. You wouldn’t believe the number of trees that would need to die.

645
HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:07pm

I’m honestly amused he wanted a congratulations speech from someone he calls crooked. If I were a supporter of his, I’d be going WTF too.

646
Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:10pm

re: #636 Romantic Heretic

Other than the fact that I’m older than him and white?

So you’re saying there’s a chance?

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:28pm

re: #637 teleskiguy

[ wingnut ] [ color GoldenRod ] …insert text… [ / color ] [ / wingnut ]

No spaces.

Thanks.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:31pm

re: #610 teleskiguy

I say shut GotNwes down when you start seeing bigger numbers than the real deal, which can’t be too far off. :)

I need to get more visitors and a Twitter blue check mark to really stick it to him.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:36pm

re: #626 Targetpractice

“Why won’t Hillary congratulate me after I’ve spent months portraying her as the anti-Christ?!”

“I congratulate Mr. Trump on winning the Republican nomination. Never before in US history has a malignant narcissist so efficiently mobilized the malicious and willfully ignorant”.

I could write these up all day.

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SteelPH  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:29:45pm

re: #645 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly amused he wanted a congratulations speech from someone he calls crooked. If I were a supporter of his, I’d be going WTF too.

In the end, everything has to be about him.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:30:01pm

re: #644 FormerDirtDart

Trump doesn’t realize that the military does not transfer information via media (CD/DVD/thumb drive) very much anymore. This is done to prevent spreading of viruses.
And paper, sheesh. You wouldn’t believe the number of trees that would need to die.

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It’s astounding how ignorant he is. It really is. Every time he speaks, he gives new meaning to the word ignorant fuckwad.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:30:04pm

re: #631 Interesting Times

I was in touch with him off and on for a while. He got injured, said he was going to take it easy, and that was the last I heard from him.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:30:18pm

re: #643 b.d.

More like teh meth.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:30:59pm

re: #652 Kragar

I was in touch with him off and on for a while. He got injured, said he was going to take it easy, and that was the last I heard from him.

I did hear he got hurt. He’s missed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:31:02pm

She actually did mention him getting the most Republican primary votes, either during one of the debates or at a rally after she clinched the primary. She mentioned that she got 2 million more votes than Trump.

She also got more votes in 2008, and of course Obama got even more.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:31:03pm

re: #597 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’ll appeal, the SC will be evenly split, the laws will stay in effect. Hopefully by four years from now, IF we win this time, we can do something about voter suppression.

If it’s appealed doesn’t at 4-4 doesn’t it go back to the district decision which would be today’s various rulings?

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wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:31:18pm

re: #631 Interesting Times

Hey, does anyone know whatever became of Obdicut? His last comment was over a year ago :(

He’s going to school and dealing with a TBI. I think he took time off from here intentionally, but I wonder how he’s doing. Well, I hope.

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451_Montag  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:31:42pm

re: #616 Nyet

I don’t doubt the professionalism of the Hillary campaign.

I doubt the American electorate.

True.

I have been guilty of flapping over polls/problems in the past.

This year I have decided optimism is better for me so trying it out. I’m taking solace in the fact the media is really having to work hard at making it a race and that Trump is a shiny thing for the ill-informed, or the right-wing as I call them :) to play with, but I a really confident this time around that the depth of fuckeduppery he is showing is going to bring him down.

If the worst happens having 2 passports and working abroad seems like a godsend.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:32:01pm

re: #638 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:32:10pm

m>re: #656 MsJ

If it’s appealed doesn’t at 4-4 doesn’t it go back to the district decision which would be today’s various rulings?

Ayep. The GOP may have fucked themselves royally.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:32:43pm

Steven Crowder is pushing a stupid video which proves how much Democrats dislike Hillary. Yeah Steve, that’s why a majority of registered Democrats voted for her in the primaries. Maybe you should look at your own party where no living President supports your candidate.

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:32:47pm
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whitebeach  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

re: #548 gocart mozart

Prince has 30 less alleged heirs today, only 6 alleged left. Not too late to claim to be his long lost child and heir to 150 million. What are you lizards waiting for?

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Wait, that guy in the picture, that’s Prince?? Jeez, I just thought he was this lonesome little guy, maybe from Portugal or something, and I used to try to give him a hand with his pets and maybe bring in some takeout now and then, and he said this really strange thing once, about how if something happened to him I’d be really amazed over how he’d thank me for being such a great friend, and he handed me this letter, which I admit has had some stuff spilled on it and all, but …

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:33:25pm

re: #662 Skip Intro

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Why how dare he!

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:33:56pm

re: #656 MsJ

If it’s appealed doesn’t at 4-4 doesn’t it go back to the district decision which would be today’s various rulings?

No. If SCOTUS can’t or doesn’t decide a case, then the highest court decision that was made will stand. In these cases, that means good Appeals court decisions will stand, overturning the bad district court decisions.

North Carolina is an appeals court decision, while the Wisconsin case seems to be at the district level.

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Jenner7  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:34:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:34:40pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:35:31pm

re: #635 Jenner7

Did Trump congratulate her in his speech?

For getting a couple million more votes than he did, you mean? Lemme check….

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:35:58pm

re: #667 goddamnedfrank

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Can someone please just bitch slap him? Goddamn he says the stupidest shit.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:35:59pm

I want to see the Trump and the Republicans branded so deeply with “Midnight in America” that it lasts for 50 years.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:36:31pm

re: #658 451_Montag

It’s not like I want to be Debbie Downer or something. But the doubt is there. Trying to be more optimistic ;)

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:36:32pm

Remember when the wingnuts freaked out when Obama opened relations back with Cuba? WE DON’T DEAL WITH COMMUNISTS!!!!

Good times…

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:03pm

re: #672 Frankie Five Angels

Remember when the wingnuts freaked out when Obama opened relations back with Cuba? WE DON’T DEAL WITH COMMUNISTS!!!!

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Good times…

Easy to find photos of Reagan with Gorby too but somehow what Obama did with Cuba was “appeasement.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:05pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:36pm

re: #664 HappyWarrior

I don’t remember when that stupid pin became mandatory. Probably around 9/11 when the equally stupid news crawl became required.

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:37pm

re: #671 Nyet

It’s not like I want to be Debbie Downer or something. But the doubt is there. Trying to be more optimistic ;)

There is simply no positive spin that can be put on the fact that Trump has a non-zero chance of winning the presidency.

I regularly flush crap down my toilet that is more qualified to be POTUS than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:38:52pm

re: #675 Backwoods_Sleuth

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or Clinton kicks his ass and he goes away forever.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:39:05pm

re: #675 Backwoods_Sleuth

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#1 rule of time travel: No killing Hitler.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:39:11pm

re: #662 Skip Intro

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451_Montag  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:39:24pm

re: #671 Nyet

It’s not like I want to be Debbie Downer or something. But the doubt is there. Trying to be more optimistic ;)

Try it out, I’m having more fun this time around. Have to say it’s effort, but worth it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:39:29pm

re: #676 Skip Intro

I don’t remember when that stupid pin became mandatory. Probably around 9/11 when the equally stupid news crawl became required.

I think it was the aftermath of 9/11. Canoot believe someone in the media feels she needs to prove her love of her country with a plastic pin made in China.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:40:07pm

re: #679 thedopefishlives

#1 rule of time travel: No killing Hitler.

Jeb Bush is sad. He wanted to snuff out a 5 year old Austrian kid.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:40:16pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:40:36pm

re: #656 MsJ

If it’s appealed doesn’t at 4-4 doesn’t it go back to the district decision which would be today’s various rulings?

Up to now, they’ve always said the original law remained in effect when the SC split on a circuit court ruling striking it down. IANAL. I only know what I read, so…never mind [/Emily Litella]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:40:39pm

re: #676 Skip Intro

I don’t remember when that stupid pin became mandatory. Probably around 9/11 when the equally stupid news crawl became required.

When Obama first ran for President.
The flag pin he wears now was given to him by a veteran.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:40:40pm

re: #677 EPR-radar

That Trump is not in single digits is in itself a diagnosis…

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VegasGolfer  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:41:13pm

Hey Charles, you just got a mention on HuffPO
huffingtonpost.com

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:41:17pm

re: #603 freetoken

Recommended:

Why Growth Will Fall

Not a surprise.

Capitalism, as we understand it depends on demand. As wages fall or stagnate and prices rise demand will fall. No demand, no growth.

Some people like to think the wealthy will take up that slack but as Nick Hanauer pointed out, “I may be as wealthy as 10,000 people but I simply cannot consume as much as 10,000 people.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:41:30pm

re: #687 Nyet

That Trump is not in single digits is in itself a diagnosis…

Indeed, what would be nice is if he lost every last state and hell even every county and precinct but that’s not realistic I geuss.

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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:41:30pm

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:26pm

re: #691 Frankie Five Angels

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Well to be fair, the Birchers did question his love of country and the Birchers pretty much are the Republican Party these days.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:27pm

re: #576 goddamnedfrank

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There was a brave young Austrian named Adolf who was a courier in WWI….

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:27pm

re: #625 The Vicious Babushka

Shorter Trump: ME ME ME ME ME! But enough about me, am I awesome or what?

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Interesting Times  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:28pm

re: #687 Nyet

That Trump is not in single digits is in itself a diagnosis…

“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public.”
— H.L. Mencken

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:31pm

re: #685 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Up to now, they’ve always said the original law remained in effect when the SC split on a circuit court ruling striking it down. IANAL. I only know what I read, so…never mind [/Emily Litella]

No, it’s the ruling being appealed to SCOTUS. If SCOTUS is split, the ruling stands.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:48pm

re: #692 darthstar

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Hits keep on piling up.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:42:57pm

re: #690 HappyWarrior

Indeed, what would be nice is if he lost every last state and hell even every county and precinct

And then got out of the country entirely.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:05pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That would be when? Around October 2019?

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:11pm

re: #694 Barefoot Grin

There was a brave young Austrian named Adolf who was a courier in WWI….

Trump says that guy was great but his art kinda stank.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:14pm

re: #671 Nyet

It’s not like I want to be Debbie Downer or something. But the doubt is there. Trying to be more optimistic ;)

I’m working on optimism because if I sit down and actually try to process what it means that a nontrivial portion of the electorate is this batshit insane, it’s too depressing. Like, I worry about my mental health depressing.

After the election, when we’ve won, that’s when I think I can face what it will mean to try and marginalize the influence of the batshit. In the meantime I am going to work like hell to make sure they don’t succeed.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:15pm

re: #626 Targetpractice

“Why won’t Hillary congratulate me after I’ve spent months portraying her as the anti-Christ?!”

It’s all a game to him. Nothing more.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:46pm

re: #699 Nyet

And then got out of the country entirely.

There’s gotta be some town in Siberia that will take him after the election right?

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:43:57pm

re: #687 Nyet

That Trump is not in single digits is in itself a diagnosis…

Trump could have a seizure on stage and start speaking in tongues and his audience would go wild cheering.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:44:22pm

re: #672 Frankie Five Angels

And of course, no such event can happen without it being turned into an opera.

Or not be mentioned by Star Trek:

Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Opening Starfleet Scene With Kirk And Spock

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:44:33pm

re: #694 Barefoot Grin

There was a brave young Austrian named Adolf who was a courier in WWI….

Damn right. Got himself the Iron Cross for that.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:44:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:45:04pm

re: #699 Nyet

And then got out of the country entirely.

He can’t decamp to his mother’s country because Scotland doesn’t want him.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:45:05pm

re: #639 EPR-radar

There’s a legitimately sad part of this story. This Bundy son apparently had a serious head injury while he was a child, and may well have some real mental issues. Shame on the other Bundys for including him in their dangerous nonsense.

IIRC, his head was run over by a vehicle.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:45:13pm

re: #705 Skip Intro

Trump could have a seizure on stage and start speaking in tongues and his audience would go wild cheering.

The only thing Trump that could do to turn the GOP against him is to say something like tehy’ve been too hard on Obama and Clinton. Anything else, they eat up like shit.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:45:55pm

re: #703 MsJ

It’s all a game to him. Nothing more.

It’s wish fulfillment. Trump is pursuing the presidency not because he actually wants the job, he’s doing so because he wants the bragging rights. His ego got bruised by the President at the National Correspondents Dinner five years ago and now Trump wants to win the presidency just to show he’s not a joke.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:46:05pm

re: #708 goddamnedfrank

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Behold the right wing power of denial. HAs this stupid twit even listened to what Trump supporters say at rallies?

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:46:56pm

re: #644 FormerDirtDart

Trump doesn’t realize that the military does not transfer information via media (CD/DVD/thumb drive) very much anymore. This is done to prevent spreading of viruses.
And paper, sheesh. You wouldn’t believe the number of trees that would need to die.

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At this point, Vlad is praying trump helps him out. Just a little.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:47:01pm

re: #612 Skip Intro

Bull. Trump never needs more than one stroke per hole.

And after that stroke we wouldn’t have to worry about him anymore.

Ba-dump-bump! Kissssh!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:47:20pm

re: #709 Backwoods_Sleuth

He can’t decamp to his mother’s country because Scotland doesn’t want him.

He can bunk with Snowden.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:47:32pm

re: #645 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly amused he wanted a congratulations speech from someone he calls crooked. If I were a supporter of his, I’d be going WTF too.

It’s amazing cahoots-spa.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:47:59pm

re: #716 Decatur Deb

He can bunk with Snowden.

Donald snores though.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:48:54pm

re: #707 Skip Intro

Damn right. Got himself the Iron Cross for that.

An Iron Cross First Class, which was almost unheard of for an enlisted man….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:49:01pm

re: #718 HappyWarrior

Donald snores though.

And farts.
Loud and long…

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:49:35pm

re: #720 Backwoods_Sleuth

And farts.
Loud and long…

He smells funny too. NOt just old man smell but bigoted old man.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:49:35pm

re: #708 goddamnedfrank

She’s unstable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:49:57pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:50:02pm

re: #708 goddamnedfrank

This Bethany person needs a clue or two.

Voting for Trump is a racist act. You don’t get to vote that way, or plan to vote that way, and claim you are not a racist.

Similarly, anyone who voted for the Nazis back in the day was being anti-Semitic.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:50:07pm

re: #722 Nyet

She’s unstable.

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I seriously wonder about the mental health ystem in this country.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:51:00pm

re: #656 MsJ

If it’s appealed doesn’t at 4-4 doesn’t it go back to the district decision which would be today’s various rulings?

Jeez. Looks like I need to improve my iPhone typing skills, doesn’t it! Sheesh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:51:04pm

re: #725 HappyWarrior

I seriously wonder about the mental health ystem in this country.

Why wonder? It’s not very good. There’s far too much red tape involved with getting treatment, not to mention the stigma associated with it.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:51:40pm

re: #727 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why wonder? It’s not very good. There’s far too much red tape involved with getting treatment, not to mention the stigma associated with it.

Too true. But you’re right. So much wrong with it.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:52:55pm

re: #727 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why wonder? It’s not very good. There’s far too much red tape involved with getting treatment, not to mention the stigma associated with it.

The stigma is probably never going to go away. There will always be something “wrong” with being mentally ill - even though we are all “abnormal” to a degree. Or to put it another way, there’s no such thing as “normal”.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:52:55pm

re: #665 EPR-radar

No. If SCOTUS can’t or doesn’t decide a case, then the highest court decision that was made will stand. In these cases, that means good Appeals court decisions will stand, overturning the bad district court decisions.

North Carolina is an appeals court decision, while the Wisconsin case seems to be at the district level.

You sure? I just read NC was a district decision. So does it revert to state or district ruling?

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:52:56pm

re: #720 Backwoods_Sleuth

And farts.
Loud and long…

Hey…I wake up to the music I make every day.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:53:06pm

re: #708 goddamnedfrank

She’s also a shitty writer because I took this - “Every post I see about how racist Trump supporters are, even though I am not, makes me want to vote for him out of pure spite” to mean “I am a Trump supporter and I’m not racist” rather than the intended “I’m not a Trump supporter”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:54:07pm

re: #730 MsJ

You sure? I just read NC was a district decision. So does it revert to state or district ruling?

NC was an appeals court decision. Next step would be appealing to the SC. In the case of a split decision there, the appeals court decision stands.

I don’t know about WI.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:54:39pm

My advice is always very simple, if you don’t want people to call you a racist, don’t act like one. If you’re going ot make a broadbrush about a racial group that would bother you if someone said about yours, you probably shouldn’t say it.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:54:54pm

re: #722 Nyet

She’s unstable.

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I think she’s already started the drinking part.

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:54:58pm

re: #727 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Why wonder? It’s not very good. There’s far too much red tape involved with getting treatment, not to mention the stigma associated with it.

There’s also a complete alternate reality available just by turning on the tv. Aliens from space, ghosts, anything on TLC or Fox News. Spend every single day watching that crap and most people would lose touch with reality.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:55:12pm

re: #676 Skip Intro

I don’t remember when that stupid pin became mandatory. Probably around 9/11 when the equally stupid news crawl became required.

When republicans said it did, meaning a dem wasn’t wearing one.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:55:48pm

re: #677 EPR-radar

There is simply no positive spin that can be put on the fact that Trump has a non-zero chance of winning the presidency.

I regularly flush crap down my toilet that is more qualified to be POTUS than Trump.

Qualifications <> chance.

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Franklin  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:56:50pm

re: #705 Skip Intro

Trump could have a seizure on stage and start speaking in tongues and his audience would go wild cheering.

Are we so sure that hasn’t already happened?

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:57:12pm

re: #738 MsJ

Qualifications <> chance.

Insane population + voter suppression + media cowardice = damn good chance.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:57:17pm

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Timothy Watson  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:58:07pm

re: #676 Skip Intro

I don’t remember when that stupid pin became mandatory. Probably around 9/11 when the equally stupid news crawl became required.

I first remember anyone saying stuff about flag pins when a black man decided to run for President.

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Skip Intro  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:58:28pm

re: #739 Franklin

Are we so sure that hasn’t already happened?

Nope.

Mosquito Interrupts Donald Trump Rally! Funny

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:58:47pm

re: #731 darthstar

Hey…I wake up to the music I make every day.

“I woke last night to the sound of thunder….”

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:59:14pm

re: #730 MsJ

You sure? I just read NC was a district decision. So does it revert to state or district ruling?

From this DKos link, NC is an appellate decision. dailykos.com

If SCOTUS doesn’t act, this decision will stand.

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Franklin  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:59:34pm

Never Forget:

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:59:38pm

re: #742 Timothy Watson

I first remember anyone saying stuff about flag pins when a black man decided to run for President.

It was around after 9/11 but tehy got really really over the top about it regarding Obama.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 4:59:38pm

re: #685 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Up to now, they’ve always said the original law remained in effect when the SC split on a circuit court ruling striking it down. IANAL. I only know what I read, so…never mind [/Emily Litella]

We need KGXvi or Lawhawk. I’ll ask.

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thedopefishlives  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:00:05pm
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darthstar  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:00:27pm

re: #744 Barefoot Grin

“I woke last night to the sound of thunder….”

Can I make it to the toilet? I sat and wondered…

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:00:35pm

re: #741 Charles Johnson

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Trump on the arts:

It doesn’t seem like Trump has thought quite as much about this topic.

“I punched my music teacher because I didn’t think he knew anything about music and I almost got expelled,” he ― or more likely his ghostwriter ― wrote in the 1987 book, The Art of the Deal.

While it’s not entirely clear if that story is true, Trump voluntarily included the detail in his book. He later told a biographer why this all might still be significant.

“When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I’m basically the same,” said Trump, in the book, Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success. “The temperament is not that different.”

huffingtonpost.com

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:00:37pm

re: #694 Barefoot Grin

There was a brave young Austrian named Adolf who was a courier in WWI….

Even got an Iron Cross, 1st Class, rare for anyone under officer rank.

He was recommended for it by a Jewish officer.

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Nyet  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:01:39pm

The Moon and Trumppence.

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stpaulbear  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:02:08pm

re: #671 Nyet

It’s not like I want to be Debbie Downer or something. But the doubt is there. Trying to be more optimistic ;)

If you want to feel more optimistic for a few minutes, go read John Cole’s latest post.

All The Good Shit Belongs to US

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Franklin  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:04:42pm

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EPR-radar  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:05:05pm

re: #754 stpaulbear

One of Cole’s commenters nails it with respect to GOP whining about the Democrats taking away their talking points regarding patriotism:

The GOP threw all they had in the outhouse, shat on it, lit the shack on fire, and now they complain that liberaks took what was “theirs.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:06:09pm

re: #756 EPR-radar

One of Cole’s commenters nails it with respect to GOP whining about the Democrats taking away their talking points regarding patriotism:

I am glad that Cole mentioned what needs to be said, the Democrats have always been a patriotic party. The GOP just hasn’t always had such a shitty standard bearer.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:06:14pm

re: #708 goddamnedfrank

Damn. You’re good.

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Franklin  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:06:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:07:05pm

re: #733 klys (maker of Silmarils)

NC was an appeals court decision. Next step would be appealing to the SC. In the case of a split decision there, the appeals court decision stands.

I don’t know about WI.

The important thing to keep in mind is that all of today’s decisions will stand at the very least until SCOTUS sits again, which does not happen until October 1.
And BEFORE there can be any final SCOTUS decision, the case has to be accepted, oral arguments, briefs, etc etc.
These rulings overturning the voter suppression laws will stand until well after the November elections.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:12:36pm

re: #740 Skip Intro

Insane population + voter suppression + media cowardice = damn good chance.

At least we’re addressing voter suppression. Lots of good rulings today.

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:21:44pm

re: #495 dangerman

which Tyson?

Cecily.

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lawhawk  Jul 29, 2016 • 5:36:07pm

re: #748 MsJ

Asked and answered previously, but if there’s a tie at the SCT, the ruling below stands and that Circuit Court ruling applies to that circuit alone. It has no bearing on the other circuits, and the issue would likely come up if there’s a split of authority between the circuits once the Court is back to full strength.

So, if the NC VRA decision is appealed to the Supreme Court, and the Court ties 4-4, the Circuit outcome is the one that counts for the circuit until the Court revisits if there’s a split.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2016 • 6:33:41am

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Okay lizards, get your shit together because the world is going to be destroyed in a few hours by a polar flip and we’re all gonna die.

[Embedded content]

*Looks around*

I’m guessing I slept through it.

again…

:D


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