Donald Trump Shuns Twitter for Tech Meeting

Chalk up another score for the vindictive thin-skinned would-be tyrant
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Donald Trump uses Twitter every day to attack his enemies, tweet lies about divesting from his businesses, and retweet white supremacists and other freakazoids, but when it came time to schedule a meeting with top tech company execs, he gave Twitter the cold shoulder.

Apparently, Trump shunned Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey because they refused to deploy a graphic during the campaign of bags of money being stolen, that would have been displayed any time the hashtag #CrookedHillary showed up in a tweet.

Trump’s director of advertising Gary Coby has a post at Medium with more details on what happened, and it probably won’t surprise anyone to learn that I don’t blame Twitter at all for shutting down this ugly idea. (They should apply the same rationale to shutting down neo-Nazis like Richard Spencer.)

And speaking of neo-Nazis, if you scroll to the bottom of Coby’s Medium post and click the little word balloon symbol to read the comments for this post, guess whose comment is the first one you see?

Yep. Neo-Nazi Andrew Auernheimer. What are the odds? Strange how white supremacists and neo-Nazis always seem to be hanging around the Trump people, isn’t it?

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UPDATE at 12/14/16 4:11:57 pm by Charles Johnson

Several people have pointed out to me that Twitter was also the only tech company that publicly refused to participate in Trump’s “Muslim registry” plan. There’s a pretty good chance this also played a part in Trump’s decision to humiliate Twitter and Dorsey.

UPDATE at 12/14/16 4:18:22 pm by Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:09:29pm

As I noted downstairs, Twitter was also the ONLY tech company that publicly refused to participate in Trump’s proposed Muslim registry efforts.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:09:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:11:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:13:23pm

The table wasn’t big enough to include Twitter, but those three shitgiblets? Room enough for them!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:13:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:14:05pm
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JUST IN: Highway 20 closed in both directions near HooDoo, #Oregon due to an avalanche. Unknown time til open.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:16:57pm

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:16:59pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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As I posted downstairs, I think that it’s high time to start asking how ‘in the loop’ the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) was regarding the coordination of and dissemination of information contained in these hacks.

If Trump was involved in any capacity, this becomes bigger - MUCH bigger than Watergate, because in that case there wasn’t a foreign power who are openly hostile to American interests involved with that event.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:17:41pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:17:54pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

The table wasn’t big enough to include Twitter, but those three shitgiblets? Room enough for them!

Someone has to make the deals after the meeting.

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JasonA  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:18:22pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

I wish someone would tell him that smart people don’t have to go around telling everyone that they really are smart people.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:18:36pm

re: #8 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

But the Republicans won, so who cares?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:19:05pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:19:29pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve ridden my bike right there. In July.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:19:42pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

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And with Trump as POTUS, that ensured our credibility would be shot.

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Scottishdragon  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:20:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:21:01pm

IT NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!! CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IS ONLY IF THEY ARE SNEAKY & TRY TO HIDE IT. THIS IS OPEN!!!!! NO CONFLICT HERE!!!!11!!

Said by an actual Trump surrogate.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:21:09pm

Noting the picture of Tim Cook my thought is that if I was that close to Peter Thiel it would take all my willpower not to elbow him in the throat.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:22:32pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

IT NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!! CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IS ONLY IF THEY ARE SNEAKY & TRY TO HIDE IT. THIS IS OPEN!!!!! NO CONFLICT HERE!!!!11!!

Said by an actual Trump surrogate.

Trump surrogates are some dumb fuckers.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:23:42pm

Dear CIA,

Drop Putin’s financials so we can all do a search for ‘Donald J. Trump.’

Thanks in advance,
makeitstop

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:24:06pm

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Well, he told them they could call “his people” and we all know who his people are. Remember, there’s no formal chain of command—he said so himself.

Ugh—I just made myself sick to my stomach.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:26:43pm

wondering how much they billed for all of those bottles of trump spring water…

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TedStriker  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:26:56pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Trump surrogates are some dumb fuckers.

Willfully stupid.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:27:52pm

Other than his one meeting with the President, has Trump spent any time at all in DC—you know, where his new job is?

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JasonA  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:29:01pm

re: #16 Scottishdragon

She was already leaving Politico for The Atlantic.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:29:39pm

re: #18 Romantic Heretic

Noting the picture of Tim Cook my thought is that if I was that close to Peter Thiel it would take all my willpower not to elbow him in the throat.

With the way the lights reflect off that ridiculous conference table, you might have a hard time picking him out in the glare.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:30:06pm
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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:33:26pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:36:40pm

re: #29 BeachDem

Why would working Americans need more jobs?

Because when they lower the minimum wage, they’ll need 2 or 3 jobs!

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:38:33pm

re: #8 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

As I posted downstairs, I think that it’s high time to start asking how ‘in the loop’ the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) was regarding the coordination of and dissemination of information contained in these hacks.

If Trump was involved in any capacity, this becomes bigger - MUCH bigger than Watergate, because in that case there wasn’t a foreign power who are openly hostile to American interests involved with that event.

Automatically assume guilt until proven otherwise.

Let the leaks commence…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:38:57pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Because when they lower the minimum wage, they’ll need 2 or 3 jobs!

but none of those icky programming jerbs, nobody wants those…

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:39:55pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

IT NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!! CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IS ONLY IF THEY ARE SNEAKY & TRY TO HIDE IT. THIS IS OPEN!!!!! NO CONFLICT HERE!!!!11!!

Said by an actual Trump surrogate.

What, no “SSSSSOOOOOOORRRROOOOSSSSSSSSS”? I’m disappointed. ////

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:39:59pm

I’ve heard that Jason Chaffetz has pledged to aggressively investigate until…..

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:41:54pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:42:18pm

I like the line about letting companies bring back their profits hidden overseas without those annoying taxes getting in the way.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:42:44pm

re: #34 Barefoot Grin

I’ve heard that Jason Chaffetz has pledged to aggressively investigate until…..

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Who polices the police?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:43:19pm

re: #37 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Who polices the police?

That’s my biggest fear come 1/20/17.

(That and spit infinitives.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:43:48pm

hey Beach Dem!

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COLUMBIA — State Rep. Jim Merrill was indicted by a grand jury Wednesday on 30 counts of ethics violations alleging the Charleston lawmaker or his company pocketed more than $1 million by soliciting or accepting cash from groups with Statehouse legislation at stake.

Sources believe Merrill’s indictment could well just be the beginning of actions resulting from a Statehouse corruption probe led by special prosecutor 1st Circuit Solicitor David Pascoe. More indictments remain a distinct possibility, sources have told The Post and Courier.

Repeated attempts to reach Merrill, a Republican who lives on Daniel Island, were not successful. The indictments accuse him of skirting state laws almost from the time he took office in 2001.

The Post and Courier first raised questions about Merrill’s dealings in a 2012 article that touched on some of the very issues outlined in the indictments. Merrill also figured prominently in “Capitol Gains,” a series the newspaper produced last year with the Center for Public Integrity exploring South Carolina’s loophole-ridden campaign finance system allows state lawmakers to use their campaign war chests like personal ATM machines.

Merrill’s attorneys issued a statement late Wednesday saying Merrill denied the charges. They called the allegations in the indictments “flawed” and noted that he has worked in advertising, direct mail and public relations for more than two decades.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:45:54pm

Uday and Qusay sat in on “meetings” with their father too.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:46:00pm

Ivanka Trump-un

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:47:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:47:17pm
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Multiple Democratic senators have called on President-elect Donald Trump’s pick to lead the Department of Education, Betsy DeVos, to pay more than $5 million in fines and late fees owed by a now-inactive school choice organization which violated Ohio’s campaign finance law.

Sens. Tom Udall (D-NM), Ed Markey (D-MA), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Sherrod Brown (D-OH) and Bernie Sanders (I-VT) sent DeVos a letter Monday “to express significant concerns” about $5.3 million in fines and late fees owed by All Children Matter PAC to the state of Ohio. In 2008, the group donated $870,000 from its federal account in Virginia to an Ohio affiliate even after the Ohio Elections Commission told the PAC, then headed by DeVos, that any transfer of more than $10,000 would be illegal.

The election commission fined DeVos’ PAC $2.6 million at the time, a penalty which increased to $5.3 million including late fees after the PAC refused to pay.

“Rather than pay the fines for violating the law, the All Children Matter PAC simply ceased operation and never paid the significant sum it owed to the state of Ohio,” the senators’ letter says.

“The blatant disregard for the law that your PAC demonstrated is deeply troubling,” it continues. “However, when the organization’s violations of law were punished by the Ohio Elections Commission, the PAC’s refusal to take responsibility and pay the fines is unconscionable.”

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:53:02pm

re: #40 GlutenFreeJesus

Uday and Qusay sat in on “meetings” with their father too.

I’ve never heard of American Presidents letting their children get so involved in running this country. Like many other Trump practices, this is unprecedented. And not in a good way.

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:54:08pm

Secret footage of Trump.

Godfather II - Fredo’s outburst

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:54:41pm

re: #44 Patricia Kayden

Trump’s setting up the dynasty. We may never again not have a POTUS named Trump.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:56:15pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Trump’s setting up the dynasty. We may never again not have a POTUS named Trump.

Slightly modified for accuracy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 4:58:47pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:01:27pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope Wolf had Paul Manafort on as balance, as per CNN standards.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:02:50pm

re: #49 Skip Intro

I hope Wolf had Paul Manafort on as balance, as per CNN standards.

I would expect no less.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:03:42pm

A victim of Milo Yeahimadumbass “Free Speech” campus tour.

RTWT. It is intense, powerful, uncomfortable and shows you what an out of control transcidal fucking jackbooted SS nazi Milo really is.

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gocart mozart  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:07:15pm
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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:07:48pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey Beach Dem!

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Yeah, I saw that this morning. He’ll probably run for governor next.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:09:25pm

re: #52 gocart mozart

heh…I called it in #22

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:10:14pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:14:12pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

That is horrifying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:14:43pm
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About a week after Election Day, it [FOP] offered the president-elect a list of its priorities for the first 100 days of his administration.

The policy ideas, released through the union’s official website with little fanfare, includes more than a dozen proposals. Many involve aggressively dismantling the modest reforms suggested by the Obama administration in a 2015 plan called President’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing, such as increasing the use of body cameras nationwide and implementing a national database on police use of force. The FOP also wants Trump to bring back racial profiling in federal agencies by lifting or changing the 2003 ban put in place by the Bush administration. The union suggests he should cut off some or all federal aid to “sanctuary cities” and bring an end to Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), using its database to deport the individuals who had been protected by being included in it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:17:19pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:17:35pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:20:12pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, it might have made a difference back them although I doubt it.

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Jenner7  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:22:41pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:22:56pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

Unfortunately this (former) student most likely has no recourse, I gather, so we can expect this kind of harassment to proliferate under Trump on college campuses. I attended Howard University so I can’t imagine attending a university where hate speeches are tolerated in the name of “free speech”.

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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:24:08pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

A victim of Milo Yeahimadumbass “Free Speech” campus tour.

RTWT. It is intense, powerful, uncomfortable and shows you what an out of control transcidal fucking jackbooted SS nazi Milo really is.

Jesus, these people are vomitbarges. >:(

In a just society, Milo and the Deplorables would’ve been tied to boat anchors and dropped into the North Atlantic months ago.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:25:33pm
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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:26:09pm

re: #16 Scottishdragon

What did she post in the now deleted tweet?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:26:47pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m honestly surprised they’re covering it even now. Let’s see how long they cover it before Trump distracts them with some other shiny squirrel.

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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:26:50pm

re: #51 The Vicious Babushka

A victim of Milo Yeahimadumbass “Free Speech” campus tour.

RTWT. It is intense, powerful, uncomfortable and shows you what an out of control transcidal fucking jackbooted SS nazi Milo really is.

Also, I hope someone reads the student’s letter to the university chancellor into the record at the next regent’s meeting.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:30:35pm

One thing to use on your acquaintances is Trump’s kids attending meetings while controlling the company. Tell them they can make business decisions based on those meetings and get rich off of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:30:38pm
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Whack-A-Mole  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:31:44pm

re: #65 Whack-A-Mole

What did she post in the now deleted tweet?

Never mind, found it by diving into the previous thread.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:32:50pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

The GOP never gives up while we invite a non-Democrat into our primaries.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:33:09pm
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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:33:28pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

So, McConnell, knowing this, allowed the releasing to continue unopposed.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:35:26pm

re: #72 jaunte

Is everyone still living in a pre-Trump world? It doesn’t matter, none of it matters.

Trump could sell off Hawaii to the Chinese, pay himself a 20% commission, and it wouldn’t matter. We live in a GOP world now where the only thing that does matter is winning, at any cost.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:36:35pm
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Jesus what a sicko.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:38:18pm

re: #75 jaunte

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Jesus what a sicko.

That hardly describes what Trump is.

“This is truly an amazing group of people,” Trump told them. “I want to add that I’m here to help you folks do well.”

“And you’re doing well right now and I’m very honored by the bounce,” Trump continued.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:40:03pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

Trump was joined by sons Donald Jr. and Eric, daughter Ivanka, and son-in-law Jared Kushner, as he is at many of the official meetings he has held as Predator-Elect. It’s almost like the Trump *family* is running America, which is so weird, because we didn’t elect them but here they are, present at every meeting.

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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:40:30pm

re: #76 Skip Intro

That hardly describes what Trump is.

Seriously, if I ran a tech company, and I sat in that meeting and heard that douchegoblin drop a line like that, I’d have the IT guys and have ‘em set his devices on fire.

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Unabogie  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:42:48pm
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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:50:19pm

Something we can definitely build on: dailykos.com:

From the Kansas State Democratic Party:

Kansas Democrats made huge gains this year in a number of areas. We have grown from just 40 organized county parties in 2014 to 63 organized counties in 2016. This growth helped recruit a historically full slate of Senate candidates (the first time in over 30 years) and a large number of qualified House candidates. Our monthly giving program, the Blue Kansas Club, has increased from bringing in about $800 each month from 54 donors, currently bringing in $13,000 monthly from over 650 Kansans.

As Vice-President Biden would say, that’s a big freakin’ deal.

With such wonderful support, we were able to hire field organizers in each of our four congressional districts — which vastly improved our ground game in the “get out the vote” phase of the election cycle. The results of our efforts could not be more clear: with 13 new House seats and 1 new Senate seat while maintaining all of our incumbents, Democrats in Kansas gained more seats than in any other state in the country. And they say there are no Democrats in Kansas!

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:57:05pm

re: #79 Unabogie

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Bernie wants to keep talking about what Hillary should have done to win, but doesn’t want to hear any criticism whatsoever of his own campaign. His Bros will talk your ear off about how he could have won, but refuse to budge from their belief that the primaries were “rigged.”

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:58:42pm

Looks like it’s time to fire up watching Amerika again….

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SteveMcG RN  Dec 14, 2016 • 5:59:15pm

If you think President-elect Trump is a dumpster fire, wait until 2020 when you have lame duck trailing in the polls President Trump.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:01:45pm

re: #83 SteveMcG RN

If you think President-elect Trump is a dumpster fire, wait until 2020 when you have lame duck trailing in the polls President Trump.

That could happen as early as next February.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:06:09pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:09:25pm

re: #85 jaunte

Hennessey is correct. What a mess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:12:16pm

one of my fave twitter folks is Officer Edith in SF who does great work:

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:14:10pm

re: #87 worldknot

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:15:05pm

The Hill often has decent enough articles. What did it do to collect such conspiracy theorist douchenozzles in the comments?

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:17:42pm
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electrotek  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:17:52pm

re: #91 Barefoot Grin

The Hill often has decent enough articles. What did it do to collect such conspiracy theorist douchenozzles in the comments?

They allowed Pamela Geller a platform.

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Shiplord Kirel  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:22:30pm

Best outcome for Trump presidency:
Far left severely chastised for suicidal Puritanism and general moonbattery.
Alt-right, tea party, and religious right never heard from again except as politicians, bloggers, and lobbyists fall over each other trying to deny that they were ever associated with any of it.
Alex Jones and Bannon retired to Crimean dachas, with 24 hour FSB monitoring.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:26:32pm

For the Warhammer 40K lizards out there - how about taking some HERESY to an entirely new level?

My Little Pony-themed Warhammer 40K army up for sale on eBay

I can’t decide whether to be repulsed or incredibly impressed by this effort.

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Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:29:17pm

re: #85 jaunte

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:34:37pm

Ari Melber ✔ @AriMelber
Are the Trump children representing the company or the government in this meeting?

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The obvious answer to this query is Yes!

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:35:40pm

I just went to look and see how my House Representative, Republican John Ratcliffe, did in 2016. It was him vs a libertarian. He won with 214K to 26K. Now, I think a Democrat would do better, but it would be a long shot to win. You’d almost need a guy to spend the entire next two years running for office, meeting everyone in the district.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:39:52pm
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Citizen K  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:40:40pm

I know it got a little bit of it here, but please read the entire thing here. The North Carolina GOP just pretty much pulled its own coup by all but stripping Cooper of his powers and ensuring the GOP controls the election board on all congressional/presidential years.

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Yeah, it’ll go to court, since this is blatantly unconstitutional shit, but that’s going to rely on the court being independent enough or not being stacked with Trump’s picks by that time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:41:23pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:42:22pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Republican voters at least some of them during that time had this little thing called integrity.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:44:43pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:46:15pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Republican voters at least some of them during that time had this little thing called integrity.

And Democrat and Republican weren’t labels that exclusively meant Liberal and Conservative back then.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:47:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:47:42pm

re: #113 Belafon

And Democrat and Republican weren’t labels that exclusively meant Liberal and Conservative back then.

Right. You had plenty of liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats back then. The man who most albeit indirectly shaped my values (my grandfather whom I never knew) was the son of a Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:48:20pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:50:03pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:50:05pm

Twitter should just delete his account for him. See how small he thinks they are then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:50:25pm

The more Bernie Sanders talks, the more I tune him out. Calling the past eight years a failure of leadership is insulting to every man, woman, and child who has seen their lives get better under Obama. Honestly, I don’t want to hear this crap from a man who has been in federal elected office since the first Bush’s presidency and yet has little accomplished to his name lecture anyone on failures. Yeah I’m getting personal here but I’ll say it. Bernie Sanders is not a leader and I am glad it was Clinton that was nominated and not him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:50:41pm

re: #118 GlutenFreeJesus

Twitter should just delete his account for him. See how small he thinks they are then.

That would be too funny.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:52:40pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Instead of criticizing Democrats, why doesn’t Sanders focus on how to fight against Trump and his inevitably horrible/dangerous policies? Democrats need to focus on battling Trump instead of tearing ourselves apart. Plus, Sanders’ attempt to shift attention away from “identity politics” to the White working class doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:53:39pm

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That was what I was just going to post—I think they meant the room (which is what his lying staff said) was too small, but the wording was hilarious.

Twitter was not invited to the meeting because it was too small, a transition spokesman told Reuters.

(but they did invite AirBnb and Uber. WTF

I also liked Reuters’ phrasing here:

Three of Trump’s adult children, Donald Jr., Eric and Ivanka, sat at the head of a large rectangular table as the meeting began. Their attendance may fuel further concern about potential conflicts of interests for Trump

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:55:12pm

re: #97 Clearly a Country For Sick Old Haters

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:56:11pm
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One reason former presidents such as Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton, who relocated to the New York City area after leaving office, didn’t move their residences into the city proper is because of the mind-bending logistics. Protecting a current or former president in an area as dense as Manhattan is a formidable undertaking sure to disrupt the surrounding neighborhoods. There are no green yards and few open spaces to cordon off as a buffer between the president and the rest of the world.

And so the several-block radius surrounding Trump Tower, where Trump has largely holed up since his election, is now deluged in necessary inconvenience—particularly for local businesses. Police trailers and media vans park in front of storefronts, obscuring them from view. Where traffic is allowed in the area around the tower, it’s at a standstill for much of the day. On parts of Fifth Avenue, pedestrians need to have their bags searched if they wish to proceed onward.

And it’s not clear if the situation will change after Trump relocates to the White House. Trump’s wife, Melania, and youngest son, Barron, will not be moving to Washington immediately. And Trump has said he would like to maintain a presence at Trump Tower, his primary residence. Which means the security in the area may remain burdensome far into the future.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:58:32pm

re: #121 Patricia Kayden

Instead of criticizing Democrats, why doesn’t Sanders focus on how to fight against Trump and his inevitably horrible/dangerous policies? Democrats need to focus on battling Trump instead of tearing ourselves apart. Plus, Sanders’ attempt to shift attention away from “identity politics” to the White working class doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me.

I honestly don’t know. I think he’s really bitter over the primary and it’s showing. But as for the white working class, what Bernie doesn’t want to admit is they started leaving our party ranks years ago. And honestly I can’t take him seriously at all when he talks about what the party ought to be when he thinks he’s too big to join it. I just don’t respect the man at all anymore. It’s too bad, if he actually seriously addressed the concerns of minority voters and combined them with a lot of his economic message, he could be quite compelling but he really thinks that bemoaning the loss of a demographic that started turning against the Democratic Party during the Nixon years is smart and wants to totally ignore the bigotries that exist in said group.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 6:59:10pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

The more Bernie Sanders talks, the more I tune him out. Calling the past eight years a failure of leadership is insulting to every man, woman, and child who has seen their lives get better under Obama. Honestly, I don’t want to hear this crap from a man who has been in federal elected office since the first Bush’s presidency and yet has little accomplished to his name lecture anyone on failures. Yeah I’m getting personal here but I’ll say it. Bernie Sanders is not a leader and I am glad it was Clinton that was nominated and not him.

Bernie wants to go on at length about the “failures” of a party he only decided to join last year because he wanted their nomination, he didn’t give a fuck about them or do anything to strengthen the party before he suddenly decided he wanted their vote. All that talk months ago about how he was going to work to keep the work he’d started in the primaries going has dropped off the radar, replaced by a bitter and angry old man who can do noting but bitch about how people far more accomplished than he can’t do anything right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:00:30pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

The more Bernie Sanders talks, the more I tune him out. Calling the past eight years a failure of leadership is insulting to every man, woman, and child who has seen their lives get better under Obama. Honestly, I don’t want to hear this crap from a man who has been in federal elected office since the first Bush’s presidency and yet has little accomplished to his name lecture anyone on failures. Yeah I’m getting personal here but I’ll say it. Bernie Sanders is not a leader and I am glad it was Clinton that was nominated and not him.

OTOH, Bernie wanted Obama primaried in 2012, so he’s had a stick up his butt about things for a long time.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:01:41pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

The kids hold no political office so they shouldn’t be representing the government but Trump couldn’t care less about ethics and protocol.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:01:46pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Bernie wants to go on at length about the “failures” of a party he only decided to join last year because he wanted their nomination, he didn’t give a fuck about them or do anything to strengthen the party before he suddenly decided he wanted their vote. All that talk months ago about how he was going to work to keep the work he’d started in the primaries going has dropped off the radar, replaced by a bitter and angry old man who can do noting but bitch about how people far more accomplished than he can’t do anything right.

I honestly find the whole thing sad. I had heard of Bernie before he ran this time. I didn’t know a lot about him but I thought he was a good voice, perhaps a bit of a dreamer but someone who had at least his heart in the right place. I think he probably still does but when he got the following he did, it went to his head and instead of using the influence he now has for better, he’s decided to be a petty dick. I hate that I’ve come to dislike someone who I have much more in common generally speaking ideologically than i don’t but that’s where i’ve come with Bernie.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:01:50pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

At some point, the city of New York is going to say, fuck it, we’re gonna seize that chintzy tower.

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TedStriker  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:02:39pm

re: #118 GlutenFreeJesus

Twitter should just delete his account for him. See how small he thinks they are then.

re: #120 HappyWarrior

That would be too funny.

I agree that Trump’s personal account getting suspended would be hilarious, but, remember, he and his toadies get control of the official POTUS and WH accounts come Jan. 20th.

What a goddamn clusterfuck from Hell.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:03:24pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

OTOH, Bernie wanted Obama primaried in 2012, so he’s had a stick up his butt about things for a long time.

That is a good point and then he dishonestly suggested it was the same thing when Clinton opposed Obama in 2008. Big difference between a wide open primary field in 2008 and an incumbent president four years later. and Bernie’s been around long enough to know that but he knew that a lot of his young supporters wouldn’t get that. He played on those kids naivete and it’s sad but he made a lot of them just as bitter as he is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:06:56pm

re: #133 TedStriker

I agree that Trump’s personal account getting suspended would be hilarious, but, remember, he gets control of the official POTUS and WH accounts come Jan. 20th.

What a goddamn clusterfuck from hell.

Oh I know. I was being sorta tongue in cheek there.

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TedStriker  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:06:57pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

That is a good point and then he dishonestly suggested it was the same thing when Clinton opposed Obama in 2008. Big difference between a wide open primary field in 2008 and an incumbent president four years later. and Bernie’s been around long enough to know that but he knew that a lot of his young supporters wouldn’t get that. He played on those kids naivete and it’s sad but he made a lot of them just as bitter as he is.

Fuck Bernie…I hold him as responsible for Trump getting elected as I do the Russians.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:07:34pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:07:52pm

re: #136 TedStriker

Fuck Bernie…I hold him as responsible for Trump getting elected as I do the Russians.

He definitely helped Trump a big deal with that “She has bad judgment” line.

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JasonA  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:08:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:09:42pm

re: #137 Patricia Kayden

So pretty much stop him from governing. Wow.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:11:56pm

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Bunch of bitter losers.

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Myron Falwell (no relation)  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:12:31pm

re: #139 JasonA

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Shit, Mr. Burns actually RAN for governor once.
As you watch the video, remember that it was from an episode made in 1989.

The Simpsons - Mr. Burns campaign team

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:14:09pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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All changes which they’ll quickly reverse once they retake the governor’s mansion, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:15:21pm

re: #143 Myron Falwell (no relation)

Shit, Mr. Burns actually RAN for governor once.
As you watch the video, remember that it was from an episode made in 1989.

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Yeah I caught it when FXX was doing the non-stop Simpsons marathon. So relevant. I also ordered myself a “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted For Kodos” t-shirt. I’m going to wear it and see if anyone gets the joke. Even better since Kodos is actually a female like HRC is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:16:09pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

All changes which they’ll quickly reverse once they retake the governor’s mansion, of course.

Oh of course. Remember how deficits didn’t matter in the Bush-Cheney years and all a sudden Obama gets elected and every Congressional Republican was suddenly “worried” about the debt.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:17:27pm

re: #75 jaunte

eni Jardin ✔ @xeni
“So right now everybody in this room has to like me—at least a little bit,” said Donald Trump to tech leaders today boingboing.net …
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Jesus what a sicko.

Not supposed to take him seriously…only media and liberals do that.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:20:15pm

Jesus Christ….

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JasonA  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:21:52pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

Jesus Christ….

There is so much going on that I honestly have no idea what this is in reference to.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:23:04pm

re: #150 JasonA

I don’t even know what to say any more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:23:42pm

jeebus, they are actually considering an attempt to override the heartbeat bill veto.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:24:58pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, they are actually considering an attempt to override the heartbeat bill veto.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:25:59pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, they are actually considering an attempt to override the heartbeat bill veto.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:26:28pm

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:27:30pm
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Republicans hate women. As persons.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:27:51pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Would not surprise me if this was a calculation on Kasich’s part, figuring that his veto would be overridden so he could maintain the “moderate” BS.

I do believe that it was why our own Bob McDonnell stopped supporting the transvaginal ultrasounds bill. You remember Bob, he no doubt I think wanted to be Mitt’s running mate and perhaps would have if not for the gift scandal.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:27:59pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:29:32pm

Again, all these increasingly regressive abortion bills have but one goal in mind: Getting RvW back before a conservative SCOTUS in the hopes that they can finally overturn it. The Roberts court will make some BS excuse about how they’re not really overturning a right, they’re just acknowledging that RvW was a “bad ruling” and “correcting” that by reverting to the previous status quo.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:30:07pm

Trumpers want 1880 back.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:30:46pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Would not surprise me if this was a calculation on Kasich’s part, figuring that his veto would be overridden so he could maintain the “moderate” BS.

I don’t know—the Ohio Right to (ruin everybody else’s) Life gang was really pushing for the 20 week bill—they knew the 6 week bill would never survive and that they’d get what they wanted through “compromise.”

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petesh  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:31:47pm

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:32:07pm

re: #161 jaunte

Trumpers want 1880 back.

Trumpers want 1880 with a good dose of old-fashioned fascism thrown in for good measure.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:32:11pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:32:13pm

I’m old enough to remember when opposition to abortion except in cases of rape and incest was the extent of how anti-choice R’s would be outside some really then fringy types like Alan Keyes. The Anti-Choice movement has grown more radical with time.

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lockjawcanbefun  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:32:43pm

re: #159 jaunte

I guess they can’t be honest and call it the “Fuck You, Women Act of 2016”.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:35:00pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

I’ll take petty assholes for 1000, Alex.

Cause and effect. You have the cause. Charles the effect.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:36:10pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

Cause and effect. You have the cause. Charles the effect.

I know. Seriously though? I must confess I wasn’t alive for the Nixon years but it seems that Trump and co make those guys look like let bygones be bygones types.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:39:06pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when opposition to abortion except in cases of rape and incest was the extent of how anti-choice R’s would be outside some really then fringy types like Alan Keyes. The Anti-Choice movement has grown more radical with time.

Lucky (?) for you, you’re not old enough to remember when single women couldn’t get birth control; and when the only way most women could get abortions was to meet an abortion doctor on a street corner, cash in hand, and go to some undisclosed location in the dead of night. And that’s if they could afford to—the others had to go the self-induced route—and the coat-hanger isn’t just a dramatic image—it was really the instrument of choice in many desperate cases.

Sadly, there’s even a few generations of women who don’t remember those times—which is why they’re not up in arms about this bullshit.

I know many in your generation think we’re “old crones,” but we’ve been to this movie before and we know how it ends. (I’m not picking on you, HappyWarrior—I know your heart is in the right place—but this anti-abortion shit really freaks me out)

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:40:16pm

re: #167 lockjawcanbefun

I guess they can’t be honest and call it the “Fuck You, Women Act of 2016”.

I don’t know why not. It wouldn’t cost them any votes.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:42:33pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when opposition to abortion except in cases of rape and incest was the extent of how anti-choice R’s would be outside some really then fringy types like Alan Keyes. The Anti-Choice movement has grown more radical with time.

Sadly, it’s another of those items that we can hold our generation responsible for, another set of rights that our generation won’t fight for because it grew up taking them for granted and has no knowledge of a world without them. To women of our generation, the idea that RvW could be overturned and abortion (if not contraceptives) banned outright is impossible, they assume that the status quo can’t change because it’s been this way since before they were born. So they won’t fight for it, they won’t vote to support those who will, they just assume that it’s all talk and nothing will change.

I fear that by the time our brethren fully wise up, two generations of social progress will have been overridden and will take another two generations to win back.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:44:05pm

re: #170 BeachDem

Lucky (?) for you, you’re not old enough to remember when single women couldn’t get birth control; and when the only way most women could get abortions was to meet an abortion doctor on a street corner, cash in hand, and go to some undisclosed location in the dead of night. And that’s if they could afford to—the others had to go the self-induced route—and the coat-hanger isn’t just a dramatic image—it was really the instrument of choice in many desperate cases.

Sadly, there’s even a few generations of women who don’t remember those times—which is why they’re not up in arms about this bullshit.

I know many in your generation think we’re “old crones,” but we’ve been to this movie before and we know how it ends. (I’m not picking on you, HappyWarrior—I know your heart is in the right place—but this anti-abortion shit really freaks me out)

One of my favorite novels, Revolutionary Road ends with a self-induced abortion. It’s obviously set in a time long before my time. I think what allows me to appreciate the concerns of the older generation is being a student of history so I’m not offended at all and in fact I would agree with you very much on that which is why so many younger people sad to say even younger women dismiss legitimate concerns. Anyhow the “old crones” remark I made earlier was more to the older wingnuts who constantly whine about the younger generation when it comes to things like “PC” and all that.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:44:44pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Would not surprise me if this was a calculation on Kasich’s part, figuring that his veto would be overridden so he could maintain the “moderate” BS.

He”ll do some really honest praying just like he used to do back in McKees Rocks, PA when he a little boy and his daddy delivered the mail.

And God will speak to him and tell him to “be strong and do what is right by me” and then he will allow the Heartbeat Bill.

Amen.

(And you others, like women…we men know what is best for you, it’s in The Bible! So hush up now and fix us dinner)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:46:03pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

Sadly, it’s another of those items that we can hold our generation responsible for, another set of rights that our generation won’t fight for because it grew up taking them for granted and has no knowledge of a world without them. To women of our generation, the idea that RvW could be overturned and abortion (if not contraceptives) banned outright is impossible, they assume that the status quo can’t change because it’s been this way since before they were born. So they won’t fight for it, they won’t vote to support those who will, they just assume that it’s all talk and nothing will change.

I fear that by the time our brethren fully wise up, two generations of social progress will have been overridden and will take another two generations to win back.

Indeed, I have seen this with my own brother. He seems to think it’s crazy to think that a conservative court would overturn not just Roe but also Eisenstadt and even Griswold. You’re right about our generation. So many of them don’t think about the hard fought won battles of the past. It’s so frustrating and I think it’s why so many of them fall for “revolutionaries” like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders that promise them revolutions rather than actually thinking about where we are and how we got here and where we’re going.

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:46:53pm

re: #170 BeachDem

My mother would be 95 now. She was pro-choice, because her mother had taken her to the funeral of a “friend” who died of a self-induced abortion, and told her to take heed. Thinking about this over the years, I think it was my grandmother’s sister.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:47:21pm

You got two sides of a coin here. One are younger people who don’t appreciate the past and how hard the gains fought were. Many of those are on the left. And then you got some older people who glamorize the past. Many of those are on the right.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:50:29pm

re: #176 retired cynic

My mother would be 95 now. She was pro-choice, because her mother had taken her to the funeral of a “friend” who died of a self-induced abortion, and told her to take heed. Thinking about this over the years, I think it was my grandmother’s sister.

I have to confess when I first heard about the issue of abortion as a boy, I was repulsed by it. But when I really thought about it, I came to two conclusions) One, I’m not only a man but 99.9% of all pregnancies have nothing to do with me personally, it’s NOT my place to tell a woman what she should do. Two, the so called pro-life movement are a bunch of sexist assholes who can’t comprehend point A. Honestly the most fucked up thing to me is seeing how the Evangelicals used the issue not out of principle but knowing that their other pet issues were failing to gain traction to gain influence and power.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:51:02pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

One of my favorite novels, Revolutionary Road ends with a self-induced abortion. It’s obviously set in a time long before my time. I think what allows me to appreciate the concerns of the older generation is being a student of history so I’m not offended at all and in fact I would agree with you very much on that which is why so many younger people sad to say even younger women dismiss legitimate concerns. Anyhow the “old crones” remark I made earlier was more to the older wingnuts who constantly whine about the younger generation when it comes to things like “PC” and all that.

I didn’t think you were talking about people like me, but as an “old crone” I did resemble that remark. Personally, I do everything in my power to encourage young people, particularly young women, every chance I get. The abortion issue has absolutely zero effect on my life at this point, but I’m still fighting the assholes with every breath I take, as are all of my similarly aged friends.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:51:39pm

Paradoxically those who don’t understand history can easily be drawn to both extreme left and right for the reasons I describe in my 177.

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Citizen K  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:52:32pm

At this point, I’m ready to beg to the forces of Chaos for the sweet release of the Giant Meteor of Salvation. I’m just so fucking exhausted by all of this I can’t even really feel angry any more. And he’s not even fucking President yet.

I just want the train to run us over already, stop drawing the goddamn thing out.

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:53:04pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

My great aunt had several children, her husband was an alcoholic, and she was quite frail after her last deliver. She died of peritonitis. So I put two and two together, and may have made it into five…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:53:42pm

re: #179 BeachDem

I didn’t think you were talking about people like me, but as an “old crone” I did resemble that remark. Personally, I do everything in my power to encourage young people, particularly young women, every chance I get. The abortion issue has absolutely zero effect on my life at this point, but I’m still fighting the assholes with every breath I take, as are all of my similarly aged friends.

Gotcha just wanted you to know I meant no offense at you personally with the remark heh. But yes, I agree so much about what you’re saying about choice. Part of why I studied history is TBH so I could take the lessons and often failures of the past and help make the present better. It of course has always fascinated me too but there was a practical method to all those history courses too.

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Viscous Obama  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:55:34pm

How Stephen Miller went from obscure Capitol Hill staffer to Donald Trump’s warm-up act—and resident ideologue.

“Stephen played a central and wide-ranging role in our primary and general election campaign,” Trump said in a statement. “He is deeply committed to the America First agenda, and understands the policies and actions necessary to put that agenda into effect.”

Miller has served as Trump’s top policy adviser since January 2016. Miller previously worked for Sen. Jeff Sessions, another early Trump supporter and Trump’s pick for Attorney General.

He recently accused Neera Tanden, an outside adviser for the Clinton campaign, of being a fake feminist for not opposing Muslim immigration into the U.S. even though Muslims, according to Miller, bring with them female genital mutilation. “You want to talk about women’s issues?” he hectored. “Here’s something we should be talking about!”….
How did Stephen Miller come to occupy such an extreme position on immigration? Strangely, it was his experience coming of age in a liberal Jewish family in liberal Santa Monica, the Berkeley of Southern California. “I think it was growing up in California, he saw the role that mass migration played turning a red state blue,” says one former Senate colleague. “He was fearful that that would happen to the rest of the country.”

In a column called “Political Correctness Out of Control,” he laid out a litany of complaints against his high school’s “liberal indoctrination.” “I noticed a number of students lacked basic English skills,” he wrote, and complained that the school making announcements in Spanish and English holds the Hispanic students back. He took issue with the school making condoms available—“Legally speaking, sex between minors is statutory rape. Not to mention 14-year-olds are a little young to be having sex regardless of the law.” Worse, the school encouraged students to embrace their homosexuality. “And just in case your son or daughter decides at their tender age that they are gay, we have a club on campus that will gladly help foster their homosexuality,” he wrote. “Do they notify parents if their teenagers have chosen an alternate lifestyle? Of course not.” The way the school taught American history, focusing too much on the bad and not enough on the heroic, also insulted Miller’s patriotism. Should American soldiers have not killed Indians or anyone else? Miller asked, rhetorically. “Or, better yet, we could have lived with the Indians, learning how to finger paint and make tepees, excusing their scalping of frontiersmen as part of their culture,” Miller griped.

Yeah, this ain’t good

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:56:13pm

re: #182 retired cynic

My great aunt had several children, her husband was an alcoholic, and she was quite frail after her last deliver. She died of peritonitis. So I put two and two together, and may have made it into five…

What’s made my grandmother who is quite RCC on other issues other than choice and same sex marriage (though she took some time coming around on that) is that so many of these “pro lifers” oppose abortion in the case of the mother. The idea of the so called pro-lifers allowing a mother to potentially orphan her children horrifies her. So many men I think just don’t see how and why this is an important issue to many women. It again speaks to something I sincerely believe and that’s the lack of empathy is what allows wingnut ideology to succeed.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:56:15pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Indeed, I have seen this with my own brother. He seems to think it’s crazy to think that a conservative court would overturn not just Roe but also Eisenstadt and even Griswold. You’re right about our generation. So many of them don’t think about the hard fought won battles of the past. It’s so frustrating and I think it’s why so many of them fall for “revolutionaries” like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders that promise them revolutions rather than actually thinking about where we are and how we got here and where we’re going.

Our generation are a product of this country’s “instant gratification” culture. If we can’t have it now, then it’s not worth having. It’s why “revolution” seems so inviting, particularly to the younger crowd, because revolutions mean “instant” change with a minimum amount of effort. Why spend years or decades fighting to get people into office who will change things when you can just force change on others and expect them to accept it? Add in the power of the Internet to give them the false impression that their “revolution” enjoys way more support than it really does and you keep getting the Bros who make a lot of noise and then sit around getting drunk while they mutter darkly that the only reason nothing changes is because a dark conspiracy thwarts their efforts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:57:15pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Our generation are a product of this country’s “instant gratification” culture. If we can’t have it now, then it’s not worth having. It’s why “revolution” seems so inviting, particularly to the younger crowd, because revolutions mean “instant” change with a minimum amount of effort. Why spend years or decades fighting to get people into office who will change things when you can just force change on others and expect them to accept it? Add in the power of the Internet to give them the false impression that their “revolution” enjoys way more support than it really does and you keep getting the Bros who make a lot of noise and then sit around getting drunk while they mutter darkly that the only reason nothing changes is because a dark conspiracy thwarts their efforts.

So true.

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:57:25pm

re: #184 Viscous Obama

Sounds like Chuckie.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:58:20pm

re: #188 retired cynic

Sounds like Chuckie.

Chuckie but with more influence since this fuckwit worked for Sessions.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:58:32pm

Well…heading for 7° tonight in central Ohio! Time to get prepared…extra blankets night. Brrrr. Also, gotta get thoughts of Trump out of the head for a bit to prevent nightmares. Later Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 7:59:22pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

Well…heading for 7° tonight in central Ohio! Time to get prepared…extra blankets night. Brrrr. Also, gotta get thoughts of Trump out of the head for a bit to prevent nightmares. Later Lizards.

Sleep well dude. About to hit the hay soon myself since I have an appointment tomorrow morning.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:01:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:02:07pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:03:15pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Well a start would be not letting the guy whose ass you’ve had your noggin up the past year and a half be President, Sean.

All of it is horrible, but the Supreme Court is what really scares me.

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SteveMcG RN  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:03:18pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

Our generation are a product of this country’s “instant gratification” culture. If we can’t have it now, then it’s not worth having. It’s why “revolution” seems so inviting, particularly to the younger crowd, because revolutions mean “instant” change with a minimum amount of effort. Why spend years or decades fighting to get people into office who will change things when you can just force change on others and expect them to accept it? Add in the power of the Internet to give them the false impression that their “revolution” enjoys way more support than it really does and you keep getting the Bros who make a lot of noise and then sit around getting drunk while they mutter darkly that the only reason nothing changes is because a dark conspiracy thwarts their efforts.

Oh for God’s sake everybody says that about every generation.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:04:11pm

re: #194 retired cynic

All of it is horrible, but the Supreme Court is what really scares me.

I know. Scalia clones and the fact that the GOP is going to get away with what they did to Judge Garland.

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Scout  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:05:39pm

Aleppo is the Guernica of our time. I weep for humanity. I weep for the world.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:06:44pm

re: #197 Scout

Aleppo is the Guernica of our time. I weep for humanity. I weep for the world.

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I had the same observation. It’s even worse because our president elect wants to be chummy with the people who did this. It’s not like FDR wanted to be friends with Hitler and Franco.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:06:52pm

Time for bed though.

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:07:30pm

re: #197 Scout

Aleppo is the Guernica of our time. I weep for humanity. I weep for the world.

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I heard today that Boko Haram is doing the same thing in NE Nigeria. They have walled off millions and there is a similar situation. No food, no medicine. Weep for humanity, indeed.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:08:42pm

Hey all you stoners in Massachusetts! Smoke if you got ‘em!

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:09:41pm
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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:17:42pm

Bill Moyers:

“…America is in moral crisis. Many Americans seem far more interested in making sure that those they consider undeserving — basically, the poor — get nothing than in making sure that they themselves get something. A friend recently told me a joke told him by a Hungarian acquaintance, who intended it as an example of Hungarian schadenfreude, but I have modified it because I think it is a harrowing parable for contemporary America and its strange moral turnabout. This is Trump’s America:

There were three farmers: a German, a Hungarian and an American. Each had a cow. One day, misfortune befell them, and their cows died. Each remonstrated against God, saying God had failed him, and each lost faith. God realized he had to do something to make amends. So he came to Earth and approached the German.

“What can I do to restore your faith?” He asked. And the German answered, “God, I lost my cow. Please give me another cow.” And God did so.

“What can I do to restore your faith?” He asked the Hungarian. And the Hungarian answered, “God, I lost my cow. Please give me that cow and another to compensate.” And God did so.

And finally God came to the American, and He asked, “What can I do to restore your faith?” And the American answered, “God, I lost my cow. Shoot my neighbor’s cow.”

Republicans brought us here with the assistance of a passive media. Whether we can bring ourselves back is the new existential question. Until then, we are shooting our neighbor’s cow.
billmoyers.com

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Lidane  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:24:05pm
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jaunte  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:26:11pm

re: #204 Lidane

Good to know who’s on par with, and even worse than, World Nut Daily.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:28:55pm

re: #204 Lidane

The ones at top right frequently link to each other in a kind of self-referential chain of “evidence.”

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Alyosha  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:31:55pm

Having a bad day? If you’re like me, nothing will invigorate you more than a sprinkling of loud jazz/math metal can. I wish I could always be the person I am when I listen to Rolo Tomassi. Ugly music done beautifully.

Rolo Tomassi- Fofteen

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:35:25pm

re: #204 Lidane

Well you didn’t make the list this time Charles but old Dim Hoft sure did!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:39:37pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:44:19pm

I knew I’d find a gem of a quote and the eerie parallel from the Amerika mini series…..

YouTube

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:48:41pm

re: #176 retired cynic

My mother would be 95 now. She was pro-choice, because her mother had taken her to the funeral of a “friend” who died of a self-induced abortion, and told her to take heed. Thinking about this over the years, I think it was my grandmother’s sister.

I remember the family story of my grandmother trying to abort by jumping off an icebox. (Never got the full story of if it worked or ended up being my mother.) That was (obviously) way before my time, but there were some desperate times in the late 60s/early 70s and I don’t want today’s young women to ever have to go there again.

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retired cynic  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:50:06pm

re: #211 BeachDem

This would have been in the 20s or very early 30s, mom’s cousins were about the same age she was. Poor woman. She must have been so desperate.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:51:18pm
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Resistance Is Not Futile  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:56:35pm

re: #195 SteveMcG RN

Oh for God’s sake everybody says that about every generation.

And it’s true of every generation, too. A disease of youth. Sometimes beneficial to society.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2016 • 8:59:29pm

re: #136 TedStriker

Fuck Bernie…I hold him as responsible for Trump getting elected as I do the Russians.

Is this the right time to remind everyone that Bernie and Jane had their honeymoon in Moscow?

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:02:42pm

re: #212 retired cynic

This would have been in the 20s or very early 30s, mom’s cousins were about the same age she was. Poor woman. She must have been so desperate.

It’s hard to even imagine. And it’s even harder to imagine that we could be headed there again.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:03:38pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:27:45pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Hey all you stoners in Massachusetts! Smoke if you got ‘em!

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When does CA kick in? Jan 1?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2016 • 9:31:38pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

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Creepiest photo ever.

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