Judge Rules That Lawsuit Against Trump for Inciting Violence in Louisville Can Proceed

Rejects Trump’s “free speech” defense
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In addition to all the other bad craziness surrounding everything Donald Trump does, we’re about to be treated to the spectacle of a sitting US president being sued by several black protesters for inciting violence against them last March at his rally in Louisville, Kentucky.

A federal judge has rejected President Donald Trump’s free speech defense in a lawsuit in which he is accused of inciting violence against protesters during his campaign.

Trump’s lawyers contend that when the candidate said “Get ’em out of here”, he didn’t intend for his supporters to use force.

Two women and a man say they were shoved and punched by audience members as Trump directed them from the podium. Much of the scuffle was captured on video and widely broadcast during the presidential campaign.

Judge David J Hale in Louisville ruled on Friday that the suit against Trump, his campaign and three of his supporters can proceed. Hale found that there were ample facts supporting the allegation that the protesters’ injuries were a “direct and proximate result” of Trump’s actions.

“It is plausible that Trump’s direction to ‘get ’em out of here’ advocated the use of force,” Hale wrote.

One of the Trump supporters named in the suit is infamous neo-Nazi Matthew Heimbach, who for some reason was evidently attracted to Donald Trump’s messages of hatred and bigotry.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 11:57:07am

“Trump’s lawyers contend that when the candidate said “Get ‘em out of here”, he didn’t intend for his supporters to use force.”

So what…he wanted his supporters to yell at them until they left or something?

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 11:58:28am

This is excellent.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 2, 2017 • 11:59:03am

Good. Let it go as far as Trump having to take to the stand. And more.

In other news. Gorsuch just picked up a 3rd Dem. *spit*

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:01:21pm

Another chip in the facade that is that Trump person.

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(alpuz)  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:02:01pm

Heimbach just reeks of a superior bloodline. Jesus, what a freakin’ D-bag.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:06:12pm

Not that it will ever happen, but I hope that Trump and Heimbach share a comfy chair cell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:06:56pm
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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:10:45pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess I just made it up that the afternoon before 45 threatened GOPers if they didn’t vote for it.

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:11:13pm

re: #8 allegro

I guess I just made it up that the afternoon before 45 threatened GOPers if they didn’t vote for it.

Fake news.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:14:10pm

Was this assault before, or after Trump had publicly stated(paraphrasing here) that he would pay for peoples lawyers if they got rough with protestors?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:14:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:17:06pm

“…The White House abruptly canceled a scheduled meeting in February between President Trump and a high-level Russian central banker after a national security aide discovered the official had been named by Spanish police as a suspected “godfather” of an organized crime and money-laundering ring, according to an administration official and four other sources familiar with the event.

The event had been planned as a meet and greet with President Trump and Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of the Bank of Russia and a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, in a waiting room at the Washington Hilton before the National Prayer Breakfast on Feb. 2. Torshin, a top official in his country’s central bank, headed a Russian delegation to the annual event and was among a small number of guests who had been invited by Prayer Breakfast leaders to meet with Trump before it began….’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:19:08pm
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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:19:21pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nothing weird except the idea that someone would pay $9 for a Trump magnet, regardless of its country of origin?

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:21:09pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart

Torshin:
washingtontimes.com

Last year, I had the pleasure of attending the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting in Houston. Kalashnikov couldn’t join me, though we have both been “life members” of the NRA for years.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:22:36pm

re: #14 calochortus

Nothing weird except the idea that someone would pay $9 for a Trump magnet, regardless of its country of origin?

I don’t even want to know how much the mug is…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:28:59pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:32:25pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Edited transcript. I wonder what was left out. His gibberish? //

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:34:48pm

BBL

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:35:11pm

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

Edited transcript. I wonder what was left out. His gibberish? //

The authentic one.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:35:49pm

re: #18 PhillyPretzel

Edited transcript. I wonder what was left out. His gibberish? //

Well, they missed taking out this bit of frontier talk—geez:



Well I will get the Democrats if I go the second way. The second way, which I hate to see, then the Freedom Caucus loses so big and I hate to see that, because . . . our plan is going to be a very good plan. When I say our plan, not phase one just: phase one, two and three added up is a great plan . . . If we don’t get what we want, we will make a deal with the Democrats and we will have in my opinion not as good a form of healthcare, but we are going to have a very good form of healthcare and it will be a bipartisan form of healthcare.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:36:16pm

BELGRADE, Serbia (AP) — The Latest on Serbia’s presidential election (all times local):

9:00 p.m.

An early projection by independent pollsters indicates that Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic has won Serbia’s presidential election in the first round.

The Ipsos Strategic Marketing agency projected that Vucic received more than 55 percent of the votes cast during Sunday’s election.

The polling agency has a representative sample of votes from different polling stations and issued its projection with nearly half of the vote sample tallied.

If confirmed during an official count Monday, the result would mean Vucic has won the presidency outright and there will be no runoff election.

A strong showing would boost his already powerful position as Serbia’s undisputed leader.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:39:08pm

.@SarahHuckabee: “Instead of attacking Ivanka and Jared, we should be celebrating the fact that they’re there.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:41:38pm

.@SarahHuckabee: “The media constantly wants to talk about something that doesn’t exist instead of something that does.”

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:46:20pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d love to know why we’re supposed to be glad that Drumpf has appointed more of his cronies. Oh, no, I get it - we’re all supposed to belong to Drumpf’s cult of personality. You will be assimiliated. Resistance is futile.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:46:41pm

tornado warnings in Louisiana this afternoon:

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:48:21pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

The local Nat’l Weather Service page had a warning for that today.
weather.gov

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kirkspencer  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:49:23pm

So Trump ran afoul of the Brandenburg test, finally? Good.

(Short version for those un-knowing, Brandenburg vs Ohio, 1969. It is the test for when speech implying advocacy of violence crosses the line from free to prosecutable. Quoting from the Legal Information Institute:

The standard developed determined that speech advocating the use of force or crime could only be proscribed where two conditions were satisfied: (1) the advocacy is “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action,” and (2) the advocacy is also “likely to incite or produce such action.”

You can burn a flag and split a bible and yell that ‘we oughta march on Washington and hang all the [party] Senators’ you want, and you can’t be prosecuted. That last is definitely directing imminent lawless action, but it’s not LIKELY to do so, and that’s the buffer in place.

Trump, because it had happened before, had reason to believe it would happen again. Meet Brandenburg.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:50:51pm

.@Bre_payton: “It’s very clear that there is a double standard and it’s because [@IvankaTrump’s] dad is a Republican.”

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KGxvi  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:52:18pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Daughter of politician who got into politics because her father was in politics has no problem with nepotism. Protecting the club, even if the Trumps won’t admit that they’re in the same club as the Huckabees.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:52:20pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only partisan hacks care about the party affiliation. To the rest of us, it’s cronyism and nepotism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:52:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:56:06pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 12:57:31pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:04:14pm

tornado on the ground earlier in Alexandria, LA:

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:07:21pm

Didn’t we just get done going through months about people bitching about “dynasties” and the idea of voting for politicians simply because of their family names? Now we’re supposed to be happy that Comrade Combover is just flouting federal law to appoint his whole damned clan to the White House?

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:08:21pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hate to sully this little ditty written about Caroline/JFK, but it does so apply to Ivanka and Daddy dearest.

…And every time I’m able
I’m under the conference table.

My daddy is president,
We make a happy pair.
I go for my pony ride,
He rides in his rocking chair.

No matter what I do
It makes a news event
‘Cause my daddy is the president.

Little Jo Ann…..My Daddy Is President

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:09:00pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Didn’t we just get done going through months about people bitching about “dynasties” and the idea of voting for politicians simply because of their family names? Now we’re supposed to be happy that Comrade Combover is just flouting federal law to appoint his whole damned clan to the White House?

Yes, because Patriotism…or something.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:09:19pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Didn’t we just get done going through months about people bitching about “dynasties” and the idea of voting for politicians simply because of their family names? Now we’re supposed to be happy that Comrade Combover is just flouting federal law to appoint his whole damned clan to the White House?

You need more conditioning. Off to the Kremlin with you for retraining program.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:10:53pm

So when do Uday and Qusay get their jobs at the White House? Perhaps Barron can get a job over at the CIA, since he knows the computers and all that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #39 thedopefishlives

You need more conditioning. Off to the Kremlin with you for retraining program.

Re neducation

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:11:20pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

“Trump’s lawyers contend that when the candidate said “Get ‘em out of here”, he didn’t intend for his supporters to use force.”

So what…he wanted his supporters to yell at them until they left or something?

“And when Trump said to ‘shoot them in the face’ it in no way implied using a gun. It’s just a common figure of speech.”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:12:27pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:15:13pm

re: #43 goddamnedfrank

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I see they’re going in a new direction for character design in Left 4 Dead 3.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:17:39pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:18:42pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

I would totally play a King of the Hill zombie survival game. Just sayin.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:18:55pm

The more I think about it, the more that whole “cult of personality” thing starts to make some sense. Republicans are genuinely confused that we aren’t just swooning over Trump’s winning ways. I mean, he’s a reality TV star, he’s a real estate mogul, a successful businessman, a real wheeler-dealer. Why doesn’t everybody love him?

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:21:06pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:22:50pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, you know how you do it? By working yourself to exhaustion, starving yourself to the point of death, and hoping to God your piece of shit car doesn’t break down, your apartment doesn’t collapse in on itself, or you don’t land in the hospital due to a life-threatening illness because your immune system is so abused.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:23:34pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

The right has always been susceptible to cult of personality. They tend to want a strong leader to do all the thinking for them (setting aside the fact that Trump isn’t remotely strong). This tendency was brought into light when they accused the left of having such a cult around Obama. The right is, by nature, almost totally unable to see from a different point of view or values, or even comprehend that another set of values can even exist.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:25:29pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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Okay, I tried to read the article and stopped after telling people to move.

Do these idiots know how much it costs to move? Are you suppose to pull that security deposit out of your ass?

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:26:07pm

re: #50 DesertDenizen

It’s telling that, to them, Drumpf is strong enough to command their cult of personality. Just shows what chickenshits the rest of them are.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:27:23pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

That’s some epic Richsplaining.

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ObserverArt  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:27:31pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

So when do Uday and Qusay get their jobs at the White House? Perhaps Barron can get a job over at the CIA, since he knows the computers and all that.

I doubt Donny can get the same benefits ($$$) using the two male knuckleheads that he can get from favorite (I’d date her if I could) daughter.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:29:58pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When the country finally collapses into ruin because of terminal stupidity, Fox “News” will have the honor of having led the way.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:31:03pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

So when do Uday and Qusay get their jobs at the White House? Perhaps Barron can get a job over at the CIA, since he knows the computers and all that.

Tiffany’s in line for something. Maybe CIA station chief in Russia.

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Puss Power  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:32:08pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

Yeah, you know how you do it? By working yourself to exhaustion, starving yourself to the point of death, and hoping to God your piece of shit car doesn’t break down, your apartment doesn’t collapse in on itself, or you don’t land in the hospital due to a life-threatening illness because your immune system is so abused.

Live in your parents’ basement, eat their food, let them pay all your expenses while investing your entire salary. Make sure you have parents who can afford this, and who live within close proximity to your minimum-wage job, so you don’t have to commute.

The person who wrote that piece ‘o’ crap has never been within $50,000 of a minimal salary, I’m sure.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:33:01pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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I like how Step One is basically “move to a shithole to take advantage of low rental rates.” Especially when one of the examples is Detroit, a city commonly held up an example of an urban ghost town due to all the jobs moving overseas. From there, it just gets increasingly condescending and ridiculous before ending on:

“If you increase your earnings to a modest $32,000, you could become financially independent in just 10 years.”

Oh really, so I have to live like a damned monk for 10 years BEFORE I can supposedly take advantage of the luxuries of life? FUCK YOU!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:33:06pm

re: #57 Puss Power

Live in your parents’ basement, eat their food, let them pay all your expenses while investing your entire salary. Make sure you have parents who can afford this, and who live within close proximity to your minimum-wage job, so you don’t have to commute.

The person who wrote that piece ‘o’ crap has never been within $50,000 of a minimal salary, I’m sure.

Oh, sorry, I guess I was assuming someone who actually was working themselves up from nothing, not someone from a well-to-do family who just happens to be slumming it with us peasants for a while.

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DesertDenizen  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:34:38pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

Trump is a weak person’s idea of what a strong person is (as well as a poor person’s idea of what a rich person is like). It’s just like how Newt is a stupid person’s idea of what a smart person is. These people don’t know what real intelligence or strength look like, even when it is staring them in the face.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:35:28pm

Better or worse?

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:36:25pm

re: #57 Puss Power

Wasn’t that Ivanka’s advise to her unpaid interns on how to get ahead working for nothing?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:36:35pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

Brain Bleach territory.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:36:50pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

What assholes. Where I live, $32K a year is really good pay for the average human, and that would be eaten up by rent, insurances, and telecom bills in an eyeblink.

It cost me something like seven grand total to move, and that’s about average from what I understand… I just now got enough money to pay off the transfer tax for importing my car from out of state, and I had to cash out my old HSA to do it.

It’s been my experience and observation that the financial ass-kicking just doesn’t stop for anybody on their own making less than 50K a year, and that’s if they’re healthy and don’t have any debt.

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Puss Power  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:38:23pm

re: #59 thedopefishlives

Oh, sorry, I guess I was assuming someone who actually was working themselves up from nothing, not someone from a well-to-do family who just happens to be slumming it with us peasants for a while.

And another thing that richsplainin’ article leaves out is what to do when an unexpected expense happens (they always do). Working class hero people probably have no-one to bail them out.

(Did you notice that children were never mentioned?)

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Puss Power  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:39:52pm

Well, I’m going to ignore the advise of that article and go find some restaurant food. BBL.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:41:03pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

re: #51 Timothy Watson

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #58 Targetpractice

But, get health insurance with a high deductible, because you don’t want to be bankrupted if you get ill. Just ignore that all those “savings” you’re working so hard to build up will eaten away piecemeal by going to the doctor regularly, so you can keep from getting to sick to keep your minimum wage job…

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:43:52pm

More reasons why the Dems are the party of losers.

Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) says he will vote to confirm federal appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch, becoming the third Democratic senator to back President Donald Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court.

huffingtonpost.com?

These are the assholes who will work with Trump to destroy the ACA because they don’t want to appear partisan.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:44:50pm

re: #64 Pawn of the Oppressor

What assholes. Where I live, $32K a year is really good pay for the average human, and that would be eaten up by rent, insurances, and telecom bills in an eyeblink.

The author of this infographic covered all three. For rent, you’re supposed to up and move to a city with low rental fees (i.e. urban hellhole), get the slumlord to include utilities in the rental fee, and also look into getting a roommate or three to split costs.

Health insurance? Get a plan with a high deductible. Not included in that advice? Pray to God you never get so sick that you have to actually utilize that plan.

And telecom? Get an antenna to watch local stations, get a Netflix subscription, and…well shit, I guess they expect you to use smoke signals for communication, because they didn’t include a cellphone in their calculations.

Oh, and for your commute? Try to find a place that’s within biking distance of your job so you can ditch your car…then just give up on ever traveling away from your apartment for 10 years, because their calculations didn’t include spending for vacations.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:45:03pm

re: #68 Skip Intro

More reasons why the Dems are the party of losers.

Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) says he will vote to confirm federal appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch, becoming the third Democratic senator to back President Donald Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court.

huffingtonpost.com?

These are the assholes who will work with Trump to destroy the ACA because they don’t want to appear partisan.

Let’s be clear about one thing: An Indiana Democrat is not like a Democrat in most other parts of the country. He may as well be a Republican.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:46:15pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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What a crock o’shit.

I guess that $75 a month for food (uh huh) must also cover toilet paper, soap, shampoo, deodorant, cleaning products etc., because I don’t see them mentioned at all. Oh, and that great “high deductible” insurance plan $ doesn’t mention anything about funding the HSA to cover the deductible, so I guess it’s a “don’t get sick” policy.

Other than being condescending as hell, the #s in that idiotic article are ridiculous. Oh, and I’m glad the “author” is a “visual capitalist” (whatever the fuck that is), because he can’t write worth shit.

Other than that…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:47:20pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Not only that, another part of this master plan is DON’T HAVE A CAR!

Yeah, what a great idea!

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:49:40pm

re: #71 BeachDem

What a crock o’shit.

I guess that $75 a month for food (uh huh) must also cover toilet paper, soap, shampoo, deodorant, cleaning products etc., because I don’t see them mentioned at all. Oh, and that great “high deductible” insurance plan $ doesn’t mention anything about funding the HSA to cover the deductible, so I guess it’s a “don’t get sick” policy.

Other than being condescending as hell, the #s in that idiotic article are ridiculous. Oh, and I’m glad the “author” is a “visual capitalist” (whatever the fuck that is), because he can’t write worth shit.

Other than that…

I’m reminded of McDonald’s putting out their fantasy budget that supposedly showed it was entirely possible to live comfortably on the minimum wage…if you have two jobs.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:51:38pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

And telecom? Get an antenna to watch local stations, get a Netflix subscription, and…well shit, I guess they expect you to use smoke signals for communication, because they didn’t include a cellphone in their calculations.

USE A PAYPHONE!1!!

Yes, I’ve actually heard a wingnut say that no more than a year ago.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:52:25pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

I’m reminded of McDonald’s putting out their fantasy budget that supposedly showed it was entirely possible to live comfortably on the minimum wage…if you have two jobs.

Heh. That’s exactly what was running through my mind as I read it.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:54:06pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

I did not read the article because I have been through advice like that before. Therefore I can only say that I talked to my accountant and he helped me save a little money while I was in bankruptcy. Business Insider is only repeating general advice that most people cannot follow. For any true solution you must talk to a professional who understands your particular situation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:55:36pm

re: #75 BeachDem

Heh. That’s exactly what was running through my mind as I read it.

$20 for health insurance!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:55:44pm

Oh, and don’t miss the cameo of Elon Musk as the “rich person who succeeded by living off virtually nothing” so we can convince readers that such a lifestyle is the road to success, provided you too have some grand idea that you can spin into a multibillion dollar success story. Not included in that story: Musk started his fortune by borrowing $28,000 from daddy.

In other words, this is about the same advice as we got from Willard telling us that we could be successful in America if we just got mom and dad to loan us $20k.

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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 1:57:40pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

Better or worse?

Yes.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:01:47pm

Oh, and one other thing missing from BI’s BS: THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOU’RE SINGLE! So if you had plans for getting married and raising a family, better hope you land yourself a sugar daddy or that your new spouse likes riding a bike to work, because otherwise you’re gonna send this whole budget into meltdown.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:03:11pm

1) Live with your parents, but don’t pay rent.
2) Eat only the food that they provide.
3) Do nothing fun.
4) Borrow money from them, while banking your paychecks.
5) Inherit $200 Million, like the President.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:03:50pm

re: #71 BeachDem

What a crock o’shit.

I guess that $75 a month for food (uh huh) must also cover toilet paper, soap, shampoo, deodorant, cleaning products etc., because I don’t see them mentioned at all. Oh, and that great “high deductible” insurance plan $ doesn’t mention anything about funding the HSA to cover the deductible, so I guess it’s a “don’t get sick” policy.

Other than being condescending as hell, the #s in that idiotic article are ridiculous. Oh, and I’m glad the “author” is a “visual capitalist” (whatever the fuck that is), because he can’t write worth shit.

Other than that…

That’s ~$2.50 a day. Hell, when I was in the Army, and they paid me Basic Allowance for Sustenance (BAS) they allocated me around $5 a day. And, that would not cover the costs if I decided to buy my three meals a day in the Mess Hall.

I would say, that a single person needs to realistically budget in at least $10 a day for sustenance. That per-person cost should go down a little if you have multiple people in the household.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:05:25pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

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$20 for health insurance!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

And that one doesn’t include food at all.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:07:34pm

re: #83 BeachDem

And that one doesn’t include food at all.

That’s part of the $25 a day spending goal

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:10:30pm

re: #83 BeachDem

And that one doesn’t include food at all.

no gas or maintenance for the car…

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:11:23pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

$20 for health insurance!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

That’s hilarious.
I spend about $60 a month on Health & Dental (~$30 each).
And, that’s as a full benefit Military Retiree.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:11:31pm

What I would like to do is find this author and ask him “So, what happens after 10 years? When you’re ‘financially independent’ after 10 years, can you start getting all those luxuries you deprived yourself of in order to make all this work? No? THEN WHAT’S THE FUCKING POINT?!” If I have to live like a monk the rest of my life because that’s the only way I can avoid living in debt, then what I see is a severe downgrading of the “America Dream.”

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:11:36pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

no gas or maintenance for the car…

Car? Most of these assume you live close enough to walk or bike to your job.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:11:49pm
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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:12:07pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

The author of this infographic covered all three. For rent, you’re supposed to up and move to a city with low rental fees (i.e. urban hellhole), get the slumlord to include utilities in the rental fee, and also look into getting a roommate or three to split costs.

Health insurance? Get a plan with a high deductible. Not included in that advice? Pray to God you never get so sick that you have to actually utilize that plan.

And telecom? Get an antenna to watch local stations, get a Netflix subscription, and…well shit, I guess they expect you to use smoke signals for communication, because they didn’t include a cellphone in their calculations.

Oh, and for your commute? Try to find a place that’s within biking distance of your job so you can ditch your car…then just give up on ever traveling away from your apartment for 10 years, because their calculations didn’t include spending for vacations.

And NO fucking! That would require the cost of birth control and abortion/children are right out of the question.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:13:52pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

no gas or maintenance for the car…

Well, the car payment allotment is $150, so I’m guessing it’s a brand new, super cool, under warranty luxury mobile.
/

(at least, when you work two jobs according to McDonald’s, you get to have a car. The BI (or more appropriately, BS) budget says you have to walk or ride your (used) bike everywhere. That one doesn’t even address the possibility of using public transit—much like Betsy DeVos’ analogy of school choice being a choice among Uber, Lyft and taxi service. These people are idiots.

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:15:00pm

re: #90 allegro

And NO fucking! That would require the cost of birth control and abortion/children are right out of the question.

Wait.. you’re saying gay sex is actually frugal and cost effective since it doesn’t require BC? The GOP should be all over that!

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:16:13pm

re: #92 BigPapa

Wait.. you’re saying gay sex is actually frugal and cost effective since it doesn’t require BC? The GOP should be all over that!

Now that is an excellent point.

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:17:43pm

Gay sex and masturbation - more effective and cheaper than birth control. No unwanted pregnancy.

Personal responsibility.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:18:45pm

re: #83 BeachDem

And that one doesn’t include food at all.

Or gas.

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:20:16pm

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Or gas.

I guess you’d have to cut your own hair as well… if a purchase of scissors is on the list.

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nines09  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:20:28pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

Sell blood. A lot of blood.
Sell off a kidney. You have 2. You can do it.
Sell an eye. Yep. You have 2 of them, and you look cool with an eye patch.
Shop at 2nd hand stores. Or third hand stores.
Knock off convenience stores or bodegas…. no…. no bodega’s…… they will kill you.
Dumpster dive. Daily.
Wear newspaper.
Offer to sell your body. To anyone.
Steal. Steal. Steal. Did I mention steal?
Learn how to burgle. Learn how to boost. Learn how to run really fast.
Learn how to steal cars. I did mention steal….My bad.
Don’t get sick. Don’t go to the doctor. Don’t get hurt.
Roll junkies before they can inject and resell the skag.
Roll drunks before they spend all the money you think they have.
Beg.
Retire.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:21:01pm

Also biking to work in the rain/wind/snow/sleet is so much fun!

//

(I have actually done it before out of necessity…sucks)

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:21:52pm

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Also biking to work in the rain/wind/snow/sleet is so much fun!

//

(I have actually done it before out of necessity…sucks)

But then you’d have to buy a coat. Not on the list.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:22:18pm

re: #99 allegro

But then you’d have to buy a coat. Not on the list.

No you wouldn’t. Death is always an option.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:22:50pm

re: #100 thedopefishlives

Who cares if you died at 28 years old? You lived on minimum wage for your entire working life.

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:23:24pm

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Also biking to work in the rain/wind/snow/sleet is so much fun!

//

(I have actually done it before out of necessity…sucks)

Yes, but did you do it uphill both ways? Otherwise shaddupquityerwhinin.

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:23:36pm

re: #100 thedopefishlives

No you wouldn’t. Death is always an option.

The GOP preferred. Job creation!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:24:26pm

re: #103 allegro

The GOP preferred. Job creation!

Congratulations! You’ve unlocked the secret of trickle-down economics! Keeping the lowest class down to a trickle so they keep getting bumped off, thus allowing the better off to keep more!

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:24:43pm

Oh, and did anybody ask this “visual capitalist” what happens to that 10 year plan when the economy takes a nosedive and your boss cuts your hours or even has to “downsize” your ass out of a job? I guess they assume you’ll pick up another full-time job at the exact same pay rate immediately and keep chugging along as though nothing happened.

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:25:20pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

Just shut up and learn to accept your status with the limitations your betters have put in place. //

Resignation to the American Caste system. That’s the real lesson.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:27:06pm

The New Guilded Age: “Don’t curse poverty, learn how awesome living on bread and water can be!”

//////

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:31:25pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

The New Guilded Age: “Don’t curse poverty, learn how awesome living on bread and water can be!”

//////

And when they run out of bread, let them eat cake!

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:32:21pm

re: #99 allegro

But then you’d have to buy a coat. Not on the list.

Wear a trash bag

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:32:57pm

Next infographic: “The Joys of Child Labor.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:41:41pm

The 18th century French aristocracy probably had their own version of this advice for peasants, along with “piously accept God’s will.”

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nines09  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:43:10pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

Like GOP Jesus said to the lepers…..”Wow. Sucks to be you.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:43:32pm

re: #97 nines09

Sell blood. A lot of blood.
Sell off a kidney. You have 2. You can do it.
Sell an eye. Yep. You have 2 of them, and you look cool with an eye patch.
Shop at 2nd hand stores. Or third hand stores.
Knock off convenience stores or bodegas…. no…. no bodega’s…… they will kill you.
Dumpster dive. Daily.
Wear newspaper.
Offer to sell your body. To anyone.
Steal. Steal. Steal. Did I mention steal?
Learn how to burgle. Learn how to boost. Learn how to run really fast.
Learn how to steal cars. I did mention steal….My bad.
Don’t get sick. Don’t go to the doctor. Don’t get hurt.
Roll junkies before they can inject and resell the skag.
Roll drunks before they spend all the money you think they have.
Beg.
Retire.

Invest in a pitchfork, in case some drunken fatcat’s Porsche breaks down on your street.

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nines09  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:46:43pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

“A broke down Porsche is a sign from above!”

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:47:25pm

The GOP interprets Jesus: “This certainly is the cup of the king of kings…”

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (10/10) Movie CLIP - He Chose Poorly (1989) HD

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:48:22pm

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:49:20pm

Hurry up and die early so we can save on healthcare so we can buy more smart bombs. For America.

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(alpuz)  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:49:49pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Potato gun.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:52:15pm

But let’s be honest, this article isn’t a realistic plan or a serious discussion about minimum wage in this nation, it’s the textual equivalent of the well-off asshole telling you that the reason you live in poverty is because of that second-hand iPhone you have and not because your boss is a greedy fuckhead. They think it’s “helpful advice,” when really its their effort at making an argument that the people fighting for higher wages are wrong, that you could totally be “financially independent” if not for your selfish choices.

“What, you want to live near family and friends? Well, you’re never going to get out of poverty with that attitude, mister! And what’s all this wanting to have a car business? That bike is perfectly adequate and you’ll be healthier for it! And this is 2017, ditch cable TV and learn to love your local broadcast stations! Buy fruits and vegetables in season and eat meat 1-2 a week! You too could be rich one day if you just lived like you’re a third world nation!”

Meanwhile, these same “betters” fucked the economy sideways 8 years ago and yet can’t figure out why there’s so many “poors” in America.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:52:30pm

re: #116 BigPapa

I am not in IT but writer’s block is something I understand. There are several methods to unblock. One is to write anything until you get something. Outlining also helps. You can write your ideas down in list form then put them into sentences.

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nines09  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:55:32pm

BBL. Koko Taylor. I miss that voice. Imma be that when imma be that. Put on your headphones or earbuds or turn up your good sound to fully appreciate this gem.

Let The Juke Joint Jump

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 2:56:09pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

What’s adds to that madness - as much as they tell people to live within their means, they will in the same comment, mock young millennials for not having cars, and living with their parents, and all the while accuse them of feeling “entitled.”

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:02:39pm

re: #122 Major Tom

What’s adds to that madness - as much as they tell people to live within their means, they will in the same comment, mock young millennials for not having cars, and living with their parents, and all the while accuse them of feeling “entitled.”

How many times have we heard a wingnut moan about how Millenials aren’t getting married, aren’t having kids, are still living at home, and this is somehow an indictment of the entire generation? It’s not because they don’t want these things, it’s that they can’t afford them. This isn’t 1955 and we’re not all Ward Cleaver working in a three piece suit every day to bring home a paycheck so June can stay home and take care of the kids.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:06:17pm

The minimum wage has been $8 or less for about the past THIRTY YEARS. Compared to inflation in the same time period it’s a freaking joke.

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:07:04pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

I’m right on the cusp of being a Millennial. I consider myself half Gen X, half Millennial. Which means I get to reminisce about Atari, and participate in AOL floppy disk jokes, but can somehow still operate my smartphone. (pause for chuckling)

But anyway, working with Millennials has shown me how freaking lucky I was to grow up in the nineties, and get my first apartments in the late nineties. There is no way I could afford the life that was even possible just a couple decades ago. I feel for these young people, I really do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:09:16pm

re: #125 Major Tom

Same. I was born in 1981. I am not wealthy but I have enough to be comfortable on. Not sure where I’d be were I born 10 years later.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:15:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:16:59pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

This is what the sheep get when they voted for the wolf who straight up said he was going to eat them.

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:17:03pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Same. I was born in 1981. I am not wealthy but I have enough to be comfortable on. Not sure where I’d be were I born 10 years later.

What do you think changed economic circumstances in that period? Just a lack of wage growth mirroring inflation?

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:17:10pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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Here’s your choice, lady: Choose the party that is going to fuck everyone worth less than $1M, or choose the party that is going to help everyone. There is no party that will screw just part of the country.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:20:09pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

Sometimes I feel I need to type out a paragraph and print a small card that summarizes how the heyday of US trade and manufacturing was the period where the rest of the world was bankrupted and smashed to shit by WW2 and/or recovering from several centuries of colonialism.

When Europe recovered and the developing world hit an infrastructure point where there was power, roads, and ports, the entire picture of trade changed. And to that transformation of production (automation, MMI efficiency gains), and transportation.

It’s unmaking soup.

Anybody watching Legion? Because damn its good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:20:30pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

“Yet Democrats gleeful at the prospect of winning penitent voters back should take a deep breath. These voters may be irritated, but I was struck by how loyal they remain to Trump.

I talked to many Trump voters about the impact if Trump’s budget cuts go through, and none regretted their votes in November. They all said that they might vote for Trump for re-election.”

SMDH.

Stockholm syndrome. Political Stockholm syndrome.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:22:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:22:51pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:23:19pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

“Yet Democrats gleeful at the prospect of winning penitent voters back should take a deep breath. These voters may be irritated, but I was struck by how loyal they remain to Trump.

I talked to many Trump voters about the impact if Trump’s budget cuts go through, and none regretted their votes in November. They all said that they might vote for Trump for re-election.”

SMDH.

Stockholm syndrome. Political Stockholm syndrome.

“Yes, I’m going to get fucked six ways to Sunday by Trump’s efforts to fatten his wallet, but I still would vote for him!”

To quote a famous show, “Everyone votes for a dictator.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:26:25pm

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Okay, I tried to read the article and stopped after telling people to move.

Do these idiots know how much it costs to move? Are you suppose to pull that security deposit out of your ass?

Look, with a measly million dollar loan from your parents, anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.//

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electrotek  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:26:45pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:27:40pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

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If you’re looking at a future of being cornholed by the Trump family and the reason you won’t abandon him is because liberals make you feel bad for voting for the prick, then you’ve got your priorities all fucked up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:30:30pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

That’s their logic exactly: “Trump may be horrible but at least he’s not a damned stinky liberal!”

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piratedan  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:30:53pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

people like Judy don’t appear to understand that as far as today’s GOP is concerned, they don’t matter. Sure they’ll gladly play on their racism for their vote, but as far as policy is concerned, they have nothing for you. At least she can die alone and penniless in her town without any illegals or immigrants in it. I’m sure that she can find solace in that.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:31:26pm
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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:32:49pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

Wear a trash bag

And bread bags on your feet (per Joni THE CASTRATOR, Ernst.)

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:33:11pm

re: #116 BigPapa

I’ve written some and encountered blocks too. Fun! Start with the basics - who, what, where, why, when and how.

Also remember you can walk away and come back any time. Cheers!

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:34:09pm

The people crying over being called bigots gleefully adopted the nickname “deplorables” and walked around telling people that if they were getting upset over the things Trump was saying, then they were “too sensitive” and “PC.” Once again demonstrating that the problem here isn’t name-calling, it’s hypocrisy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:35:52pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

“Yet Democrats gleeful at the prospect of winning penitent voters back should take a deep breath. These voters may be irritated, but I was struck by how loyal they remain to Trump.

I talked to many Trump voters about the impact if Trump’s budget cuts go through, and none regretted their votes in November. They all said that they might vote for Trump for re-election.”

SMDH.

Stockholm syndrome. Political Stockholm syndrome.

This is why I keep defaulting to simply calling them stupid. “He promised to help me, but the two big policy things he’s put forward do the opposite of what he promised. But I still support him, and I’d vote for him again!”

Here’s your sign.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:38:50pm
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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:38:51pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

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As we contemplate the 11ty millionth article about poor, long-suffering Trump voters (eventually they will have interviewed each and every one of them) will we never hear about the trials, tribulations, sadness and fear of the sane people who voted for Hillary but are suffering the same crap as the yamster idiots?

Nah—who cares about them when there’s one or two coal-country “economically anxious” white person to interview.

Sigh.

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:39:55pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

It has never been about policy. It has always been about sticking it to Liberals.

When was the last time you heard a policy discussion on Hannity, or Limbaugh. It’s always just regurgitating the perceived infallibility of their economic doctrine and first article of faith: the power of tax cuts to the wealthy.

Everything else is about “Look at how the libs heads are exploding.”

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:41:44pm

re: #147 BeachDem

At this point I’d rather we start interviewing Disney World employees since they apparently employ more folks than the coal industry.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:41:53pm

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

“Yet Democrats gleeful at the prospect of winning penitent voters back should take a deep breath. These voters may be irritated, but I was struck by how loyal they remain to Trump.

I talked to many Trump voters about the impact if Trump’s budget cuts go through, and none regretted their votes in November. They all said that they might vote for Trump for re-election.”

SMDH.

Stockholm syndrome. Political Stockholm syndrome.

Nope—that’s giving them too much cover. Stupid or hateful or both.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:41:54pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

From the article:

“There’s a lot of wasteful spending, so cut other places,” Moreno said.

Payton suggested that if the government wants to cut budgets, it should target “Obama phones” provided to low-income Americans. (In fact, the program predates President Barack Obama and is financed by telecom companies rather than by taxpayers.)

You see, they were sure Trump would only cut “wasteful” spending on swarthy people, not spending for “Real Americans.”

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:42:10pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:42:48pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

For 8 years, it was:

“You need to stop being so mean to liberals, they’d take to conservative ideas if we presented the positives to them…”
“FUCK THAT! I’M RIGHT, THEY’RE WRONG, AND I WON’T SAY OTHERWISE!”

Now it’s:

“STOP BEING SO MEAN TO ME! I’M STILL RIGHT, SO BE NICE OR I’M GOING TO KEEP VOTING FOR TRUMP!!!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:43:26pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

These assholes really believe they are untouchable.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:44:29pm

re: #131 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Sometimes I feel I need to type out a paragraph and print a small card that summarizes how the heyday of US trade and manufacturing was the period where the rest of the world was bankrupted and smashed to shit by WW2 and/or recovering from several centuries of colonialism.

When Europe recovered and the developing world hit an infrastructure point where there was power, roads, and ports, the entire picture of trade changed. And to that transformation of production (automation, MMI efficiency gains), and transportation.

It’s unmaking soup.

Anybody watching Legion? Because damn its good.

I watched Legion, and agree.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:45:12pm

re: #151 Big Beautiful Door

From the article:

You see, they were sure Trump would only cut “wasteful” spending on swarthy people, not spending for “Real Americans.”

The same people who think the way to tackle budget deficits is to cut foreign aid (which amounts to pocket change) while increasing defense spending (which measures in the hundreds of billions).

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majii  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:45:13pm

re: #91 BeachDem

“Well, the car payment allotment is $150, so I’m guessing it’s a brand new, super cool, under warranty luxury mobile.”

I bought my daughter a 2016 Ford Focus in October of last year, new off the lot, so I know if this estimate of $150 per month is for a new car, it is inaccurate.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:46:15pm

re: #158 majii

“Well, the car payment allotment is $150, so I’m guessing it’s a brand new, super cool, under warranty luxury mobile.”

I bought my daughter a 2016 Ford Focus in October of last year, new off the lot, so I know if this estimate of $150 per month is for a new car, it is inaccurate.

My 2015 Chevy Sonic was up to 2 years old when I bought it, and that estimate would only be accurate if I got a six-year loan… which is not a great idea for a new car, let alone a used car.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:47:29pm

re: #148 Major Tom

It has never been about policy. It has always been about sticking it to Liberals.

When was the last time you heard a policy discussion on Hannity, or Limbaugh. It’s always just regurgitating the perceived infallibility of their economic doctrine and first article of faith: the power of tax cuts to the wealthy.

Everything else is about “Look at how the libs heads are exploding.”

I know I’ve mentioned here that The Older Boy has ASD. Someone on my feed liked a post about Trump having them light up the WH in blue for Autism Awareness Day. The post thanked him for his support and gushed about being happy to have him as President. So I said lighting up the WH blue is nice, but it hardly seems like support when your big policy initiatives cut funding for autism-related services and research.

The response? “It’s better than it would be with Clinton!”

My response: Really? In what way? I’m pretty sure a Clinton White House could have found the blue bulbs, too. That, and she wouldn’t have sacrificed autistic kids’ services to give a giant tax cut to the top 1%, or cut money for autism research to build a stupid wall when illegal immigration is declining.

Their response: What r you even doing on my page? Bye bye

Basically, Trump is the savior. Even when he does things that hurt them badly, which they wouldn’t have suffered under Clinton, things are “better’.

But don’t call them stupid.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:48:44pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Not only that, another part of this master plan is DON’T HAVE A CAR!

Yeah, what a great idea!

Especially if you move to Detroit.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:49:15pm

re: #151 Big Beautiful Door

From the article:

You see, they were sure Trump would only cut “wasteful” spending on swarthy people, not spending for “Real Americans.”

Wasteful spending = money that helps anyone who’s not me.
Goodful spending = money spent on me, because I truly deserve it.

OK—now I’ve got it!

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:50:28pm

re: #160 Blind Frog Belly White

“Basically, Trump is the savior. Even when he does things that hurt them badly, which they wouldn’t have suffered under Clinton, things are “better’.”

He’s the talk-radio Messiah, the kwisatz haderach of douchebags and schmucks.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:54:07pm

re: #158 majii

“Well, the car payment allotment is $150, so I’m guessing it’s a brand new, super cool, under warranty luxury mobile.”

I bought my daughter a 2016 Ford Focus in October of last year, new off the lot, so I know if this estimate of $150 per month is for a new car, it is inaccurate.

I was just being a smartass. According to that budget, it allocates $150 a month for car payment/zero for gas or maintenance. It’s just more of their inane bullshit.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:57:21pm

re: #104 thedopefishlives

Congratulations! You’ve unlocked the secret of trickle-down economics! Keeping the lowest class down to a trickle so they keep getting bumped off, thus allowing the better off to keep more!

Until such a time as they have to clean their own toilets. They’ll change their tune then,

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:57:23pm

It’s really unfortunate that the US media is comprised of mostly complete hacks.

This is how journalism is done, people.

The Spanish connection with Trump’s Russia scandal

Alexander Torshin, deputy governor of the Central Bank of Russia and investigated in Spain for money laundering, has infiltrated the US president’s circle.

On February 1, Alexander Torshin, 63, a Russian politician and banker who is close to Vladimir Putin and whom the Spanish anti-corruption prosecutor and the Civil Guard define in their reports as a godfather from a notorious Russian mafia organization, had in his diary for the next day an appointment to meet in Washington with the world’s most powerful man: Donald Trump. The encounter was due to take place before an official and well-attended breakfast meeting, which Torshin attended as the head of a Russian delegation. The meeting was canceled that very night, according to sources from the White House, given the wave of criticism in the US press related to the influence of determined Russian circles in President Trump’s power teams. But the information reveals the heights to which this person, who has been investigated by the Spanish authorities, had reached in his rise to the upper echelons of the American leader’s circle.

Torshin, who is currently the deputy governor of the Central Bank of Russia, has met with one of the children of the US president, has close links with the organization that provided the most money for Trump’s election campaign, the National Rifle Association (NRA), and attended the aforementioned breakfast that Donald Trump presided over in the White House in February.

elpais.com

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majii  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:57:29pm

re: #164 BeachDem

“I was just being a smartass.”

I didn’t think you were being a smart*ss. I was sharing my recent experience in regard to buying a new car. There’s something very wrong with those who have struggled very little in their lives thinking they can tell those who are struggling, or have struggled, a lot that they, too can be rich if….

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:57:30pm

re: #163 Major Tom

“Basically, Trump is the savior. Even when he does things that hurt them badly, which they wouldn’t have suffered under Clinton, things are “better’.”

He’s the talk-radio Messiah, the kwisatz haderach of schmucks.

Thankfully it looks like the die-hards are in a minority, as Trump’s approval rating keeps sinking like a stone. Now imagine if the idiot-in-chief actually did things to help the peole who voted for him, such as actually working with Democrats to correct problems with the ACA, instead of just tweeting threats to do so? He could call it Trumpcare, and his approval ratings would soar.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 2, 2017 • 3:58:33pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel

Invest in a pitchfork, in case some drunken fatcat’s Porsche breaks down on your street.

You can get good money for a rich person’s organs.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:02:24pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Thankfully it looks like the die-hards are in a minority, as Trump’s approval rating keeps sinking like a stone. Now imagine if the idiot-in-chief actually did things to help the peole who voted for him, such as actually working with Democrats to correct problems with the ACA, instead of just tweeting threats to do so? He could call it Trumpcare, and his approval ratings would soar.

Except his supporters would then turn on his ass because he promised something he couldn’t deliver, namely a total repeal of Obamacare and replacement with something that was far better and cost way less. The Freedom Caucus’ biggest gripe was that Trumpcare wasn’t full repeal, followed closely by the mediocre tax credits being offered amounting to “a new entitlement program.”

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:06:23pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

My Mother is my base-line for any exodus of Trump supporters. Although she hated Trump in the Primaries, (she supported Cruz… (I know. God I know.)) She is currently supportive of 45*, and one of those that expresses the sentiment, “the media shouldn’t criticize Trump so hard, it only makes me like him more.” When she flips, I’ll acknowledge some kind of sea change.

Unfortunately, she tends to follow the most conservative person in the crowd.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:06:38pm

Today’s ride - well, today’s DEMI-ride - led to me learning a new term: Heat Syncope

This is a condition, less severe than heat exhaustion, wherein if you’re not acclimated to heat and you exercise, your body shunts all your blood to your skin, and the rest of you - like your brain - doesn’t get enough. You get lightheaded, sweaty, elevated pulse, maybe nausea. Stop exercising and cool off and it fades within minutes.

So, that happened.

I’d just done the climb from Crystal Springs in Hillsborough up Polehemus to the Ralston Trail (according to Strava, a Cat 4 climb!). No problems on the climb. No problem on the following descent. Got to Cañada Rd., felt…okay. Rode 1/2 mile, stopped. Felt woozy. Called Mrs. FBW, told her to meet me 4 miles down the roadl.

Felt worse. Sat down leaning against the guardrail. Considered whether this was what dying feels like.

1 minute later, wondered why the hell I’d been wondering THAT.

2 minutes later, felt 90% of normal.

2 more minutes later, felt fine getting back on the bike, and riding to the pickup point.

Ride to pickup point was completely fine. Mrs. FBW, OTOH, was PANICKED!!, even though I’d been real casual when I called - “Hi hon. I’m just not feeling it today. Can you come and pick me up?”

Got home, looked up heat-related problems. I kept seeing heat exhaustion and heat stroke, but both those are MUCH worse than what I had. Finally found ‘Heat Syncope’.

I’ve had it twice before. Once, when it was a HOT day, after a summer of not riding much, so no heat acclimatization. The other time, like today, on the first warm - not hot - spring day one year. I decided to do a local climb. Halfway up, it hit me. I sat down, sweated like mad for a few minutes, felt better and rode back down.

Next week, same temp. Same climb. Passed the place where I’d bailed 1 minute ahead of the previous week’s time.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:07:59pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

I can be really harsh about this stuff, but I still pity these folks.

They were raised on Eisenhower-era pablum that glued together mild flavors of nationalism, capitalism, and Christianity. The revised “American Dream” was presented as the product of individual effort, not larger forces in the world economy—and certainly not about international conditions or stiffing African Americans (again). Both parties used to traffic in this tripe trope.

Basically, we built a cultural mythology in which doubt was discouraged and “America” was tautologically Good, but didn’t fill in the important details about how, and why, and how much effort it took. A fable, a hagiography of a nation. Sort of like the sonno joi types that Made Nippon Great Again—you hack the culture for a generation, suddenly everybody thinks the new way of thinking is the way it always was (and will be).

The cultural blocs that define the GOP all peddle versions of the same formula: we are America; everyone different is attacking. It defines the Christian right, it defines the Bircher paranoids, it defines the hawks, it defines the free market weirdos. It’s a slow-motion version of a stab-in-the-back myth, and worked for the same reason: it took an existing folk devil and brought it up to date.

Red Peril, Yellow Peril. Giant Negros, dirty hippies. Satanic Panic, Lavender Menace. These things never died, they just got repackaged over and over. Now they’re being wrapped together like Chipotle ingredients to make even crazier consumables.

Most people don’t have an immune system for culture; even educated ones, even liberal ones. It’s just taken for granted that the worldview is Reality, that the narrative is History. And white people are especially susceptible, because for five to six hundred years their hegemony has been based on a cultural teaching that theirs is the objective understanding of the world. And “Western civilization” as a construct makes them further vulnerable, since it teaches people they’re part of great chain of erudition and thought…even though they aren’t actually thinking, or educated, about Enlightenment ideas about humanism, empiricism, et cetera.

The symbol overtook the substance a long time ago. The minute any mediocre dude could see himself as a vessel of “civilization” and wielded that sense of superiority against another (likely brown) person, this shit was set in motion.

You can watch presumption and hubris based on the above just rip through liberal and progressive notions like fucking PacMan. Movement atheism got eaten by semi-literate internet dudes with lady issues and drastically overestimated calculations of their rationality. International socialism routinely own-goaled itself by not listening to brown people pointing out that not everywhere worked like Europe, and had European problems as per Marx. Look at how the anti-feminist blob has appropriated history and “philosophy” to polish their turds. The brogressive types ultimately fall into this pattern when they start talking down about race and gender issues, as does anyone who uses Marxist terms the way Jules from Pulp Fiction quotes Ezekiel 25/17.

Ideas as bower bird decorations. MacLuhanism eats itself.

Fuck, I should just go listen to Morissey and have done with it.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:11:08pm

re: #173 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I can be really harsh about this stuff, but I still pity these folks.

They were raised on Eisenhower-era pablum that glued together mild flavors of nationalism, capitalism, and Christianity. The revised “American Dream” was presented as the product of individual effort, not larger forces in the world economy—and certainly not about international conditions or stiffing African Americans (again). Both parties used to traffic in this tripe trope.

Basically, we built a cultural mythology in which doubt was discouraged and “America” was tautologically Good, but didn’t fill in the important details about how, and why, and how much effort it took. A fable, a hagiography of a nation. Sort of like the sonno joi types that Made Nippon Great Again—you hack the culture for a generation, suddenly everybody thinks the new way of thinking is the way it always was (and will be).

The cultural blocs that define the GOP all peddle versions of the same formula: we are America; everyone different is attacking. It defines the Christian right, it defines the Bircher paranoids, it defines the hawks, it defines the free market weirdos. It’s a slow-motion version of a stab-in-the-back myth, and worked for the same reason: it took an existing folk devil and brought it up to date.

Red Peril, Yellow Peril. Giant Negros, dirty hippies. Satanic Panic, Lavender Menace. These things never died, they just got repackaged over and over. Now they’re being wrapped together like Chipotle ingredients to make even crazier consumables.

Most people don’t have an immune system for culture; even educated ones, even liberal ones. It’s just taken for granted that the worldview is Reality, that the narrative is History. And white people are especially susceptible, because for five to six hundred years their hegemony has been based on a cultural teaching that theirs is the objective understanding of the world. And “Western civilization” as a construct makes them further vulnerable, since it teaches people they’re part of great chain of erudition and thought…even though they aren’t actually thinking, or educated, about Enlightenment ideas about humanism, empiricism, et cetera.

The symbol overtook the substance a long time ago. The minute any mediocre dude could see himself as a vessel of “civilization” and wielded that sense of superiority against another (likely brown) person, this shit was set in motion.

You can watch presumption and hubris based on the above just rip through liberal and progressive notions like fucking PacMan. Movement atheism got eaten by semi-literate internet dudes with lady issues and drastically overestimated calculations of their rationality. International socialism routinely own-goaled itself by not listening to brown people pointing out that not everywhere worked like Europe, and had European problems as per Marx. Look at how the anti-feminist blob has appropriated history and “philosophy” to polish their turds. The brogressive types ultimately fall into this pattern when they start talking down about race and gender issues, as does anyone who uses Marxist terms the way Jules from Pulp Fiction quotes Ezekiel 25/17.

Ideas as bower bird decorations. MacLuhanism eats itself.

Fuck, I should just go listen to Morissey and have done with it.

We were stupid then, and we’re smart now. Unfortunately, survival might depend on having enough people stupid enough to get across Omaha Beach.

Solve for “X”, show your work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:12:48pm

Here’s the thing about Trump voters getting screwed but still standing by their yam - if Clinton had been elected, she would absolutely NOT have done to them, as revenge, what Trump will do to them. In fact Clinton would have done what she could to help them even more.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:13:38pm

re: #173 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Humans have always preferred mythology to history. Mythology places the tribe at the apex of ethics and power. History isn’t nearly so comforting.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:14:00pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:14:05pm

re: #173 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I’m 62, white, don’t have a college degree, and I’ve lived in the midwest all my life (hell, when I look out the window at work, I can see the hospital where I was born) and I’ve never for a moment held the beliefs that led people to vote for Trump.

It doesn’t necessarily come with the territory. They can go to hell for being so selfish and willfully ignorant.

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Major Tom  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:14:56pm

re: #176 Romantic Heretic

Humans have always preferred mythology to history. Mythology places the tribe at the apex of ethics and power. History isn’t nearly so comforting.

Its just easier to follow too. I read about Trump-Russia regularly to stay on top of things, and feel like I read a small book everyday.

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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:15:15pm

re: #177 FormerDirtDart

Over. Unless you have kittens in the house.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:16:35pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

True. Most Trump voters believe that they are being watched online and in other places. One of my co-workers, although he has worked at the polls, believes that his vote was noted and recorded by the Republicans. I know this is foolishness but this person absolutely believes this nonsense. I am sure there are others.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:16:45pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

We were stupid then, and we’re smart now. Unfortunately, survival might depend on having enough people stupid enough to get across Omaha Beach.

Solve for “X”, show your work.

If wars have taught us anything, it’s that you don’t have to have a college degree to take a bullet for your country. You could be a dumb-as-dirt farm from backwoods Louisiana, but with a bit of training, you could be a fighter ace. And while pre-war we expected officers to have college degrees, war had a way of turning even foot soldiers into officers through battlefield promotions.

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Interesting Times  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:17:35pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing about Trump voters getting screwed but still standing by their yam - if Clinton had been elected, she would absolutely NOT have done to them, as revenge, what Trump will do to them. In fact Clinton would have done what she could to help them even more.

As much as it makes me want to dry-heave, I have to say their behavior - especially that of the white women who clamored aboard the trump train - validates the durr hurr, abusive alphas finish first, beta/cucks finish last MRA line of thinking. They respect trump for his lies and abusive behavior, even when it comes back to bite them…while despising Democrats like Obama who actually did things to help them.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:17:49pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:18:34pm

re: #173 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

Ideas as bower bird decorations. MacLuhanism eats itself.

OK, class. Use this as your thesis, write 10 pages. GO.

/athletic academics

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:22:30pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Except his supporters would then turn on his ass because he promised something he couldn’t deliver, namely a total repeal of Obamacare and replacement with something that was far better and cost way less. The Freedom Caucus’ biggest gripe was that Trumpcare wasn’t full repeal, followed closely by the mediocre tax credits being offered amounting to “a new entitlement program.”

I don’t think so. If he called fixes to Obamacare “repeal and replace” and it brought premiums and deductibles down, most of his voters would believe him. Purists would be pissed, but there really aren’t all that many of them, which is why Trump won the GOP nomination in the first place.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:24:45pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

OK, class. Use this as your thesis, write 10 pages. GO.

/athletic academics

Annie Hall - Woody Allen wins a point about Marshall McLuhan

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:24:46pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing about Trump voters getting screwed but still standing by their yam - if Clinton had been elected, she would absolutely NOT have done to them, as revenge, what Trump will do to them. In fact Clinton would have done what she could to help them even more.

With these idiots it’s not what someone does or doesn’t do, it’s what Fox “News” says they do or don’t do.

The Fox audience is still growing, and has never been bigger. Bullshit sells in America, and all the media want a piece of the sale.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:25:29pm

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

Today’s ride - well, today’s DEMI-ride - led to me learning a new term: Heat Syncope

Did you get home naked? No? You’re not doing it right.

First aid for heat syncope includes:

Move the patient to a cool or shaded area.
Remove clothing.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:27:11pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

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Video

That was my favorite scene from a movie for years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:27:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:27:59pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Did you get home naked? No? You’re not doing it right.

No, but I did EVENTUALLY get naked for my shower, and I’m sitting in a cool, shaded area now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:28:03pm

re: #51 Timothy Watson

Okay, I tried to read the article and stopped after telling people to move.

Do these idiots know how much it costs to move? Are you suppose to pull that security deposit out of your ass?

Well, then you missed the best part. After you move (having sold everything so you can afford to do so, including your car) the tell you invest the remaining $3k and change; you’re doing nothing that costs anything, including spending $75/month on food, they suggest you sell your spare shit on Craigslist (uh, no stuff), drive for Uber (uh, no car, duh), and find other odd jobs to supplement your income.

Then, after you’ve raised your yearly income to $32k (2x+ your min wage job) in 10 years you’re set. It’s not ever richsplaining, it’s delusional idiocy.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:29:55pm

re: #187 Blind Frog Belly White

If that last paragraph and stray sentence were annotated like music, there would be an hh for hyperbolissimo.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:30:03pm

re: #186 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t think so. If he called fixes to Obamacare “repeal and replace” and it brought premiums and deductibles down, most of his voters would believe him. Purists would be pissed, but there really aren’t all that many of them, which is why Trump won the GOP nomination in the first place.

Uh, the reality is the exact opposite: Trump won because the purists found his opponents to be lacking and he had no record for them to criticize. So he could go out there, bullshit them with all his “strength,” and look awesome next to guys like Rubio or Cruz who had legislative records to critique. The purists are the guys you find over at the Breitbart comment section who damned Ryan for serving up Trumpcare instead of bringing up the bill that passed two years prior (i.e. total repeal) and accused him of hoodwinking Trump with this new “entitlement program.” Trump’s now trying to bullshit them in the pages of FT that he didn’t want a vote on Trumpcare, that Ryan pushed it through anyway.

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wrenchwench  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:30:28pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

No, but I did EVENTUALLY get naked for my shower, and I’m sitting in a cool, shaded area now.

We had snow yesterday. Twice. I went jogging today, without my heart rate monitor. Felt naked, covered from head to toe.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:31:12pm

Both Ecuador candidates claim victory in presidential runoff

Who cares, right?

Well I care because if Guillermo Lasso wins, Julian Assange will be looking for a new place to hideout. Maybe Trump will get him a room in the US Embassy in London because Trump owes him, bigly.

sanluisobispo.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:31:27pm

re: #193 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, then you missed the best part. After you move (having sold everything so you can afford to do so, including your car) the tell you invest the remaining $3k and change; you’re doing nothing that costs anything, including spending $75/month on food, they suggest you sell your spare shit on Craigslist (uh, no stuff), drive for Uber (uh, no car, duh), and find other odd jobs to supplement your income.

Then, after you’ve raised your yearly income to $32k (2x+ your min wage job) in 10 years you’re set. It’s not ever richsplaining, it’s delusional idiocy.

Okay, so the OTHER thing about driving for Uber? the miles put wear and tear on a car that’s probably old and reaching the end of its useful life - assuming you HAVE a car! - so the pittance you earn from Uber will be eaten in repair bills which tend to come in $900 chunks that you have to pay to get your car back.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:31:44pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

We had snow yesterday. Twice. I went jogging today, without my heart rate monitor. Felt naked, covered from head to toe.

In the meantime, yesterday was 60 degrees F here. I would have had the ‘79 out of the garage, if fishfolk weren’t here. OH, on that topic. Thankfully, it was a quiet visit on the political front. My parents did not make much noise about political topics, thankfully. They were happy to just celebrate elder fishspawn’s impending birthday and play outside in the sun while we had it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:33:08pm

re: #198 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so the OTHER thing about driving for Uber? the miles put wear and tear on a car that’s probably old and reaching the end of its useful life - assuming you HAVE a car! - so the pittance you earn from Uber will be eaten in repair bills which tend to come in $900 chunks that you have to pay to get your car back.

Replacing one destroyed flat tire will cost more than the $75/month for food.

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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:34:48pm

re: #199 thedopefishlives

In the meantime, yesterday was 60 degrees F here. I would have had the ‘79 out of the garage, if fishfolk weren’t here. OH, on that topic. Thankfully, it was a quiet visit on the political front. My parents did not make much noise about political topics, thankfully. They were happy to just celebrate elder fishspawn’s impending birthday and play outside in the sun while we had it.

I had my scooter (not a motorcycle) out for the first time of the season. Last year was such a crappy year for riding that I only added a couple hundred miles. I want to make up for that this year.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:35:01pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Kristof and his ilk sure are fascinated by how White racists vote. I don’t recall all this interest in (minority) voters like me who supported President Obama twice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:36:44pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Replacing one destroyed flat tire will cost more than the $75/month for food.

Indeed. Mrs. FBW’s flat two weeks back cost $133 to replace (torn sidewall, no repairing it!).

Lucky it was just one. I destroyed a tire on my old Subaru Outback, with ~30,000 miles on the set. Had to replace the set, because on an all-wheel drive car the tires can’t be too different in diameter.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:36:50pm

re: #201 stpaulbear

I had my scooter (not a motorcycle) out for the first time of the season. Last year was such a crappy year for riding that I only added a couple hundred miles. I want to make up for that this year.

I, in the meantime, am aiming to try and get a full season’s worth of driving on the ‘79 without having any major mechanical issues. If I can go from now until September (maybe October) without any breakdowns, I will spend some money on it next year to prep it for road trips and restore some of the spots that haven’t aged so well, like the vinyl top and a few minor patches of rust on the doors.

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Interesting Times  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:38:27pm

re: #202 Patricia Kayden

Kristof and his ilk sure are fascinated by how White racists vote. I don’t recall all this interest in (minority) voters like me who supported President Obama twice.

Because the craptastic trash fire that constitutes the current Electoral College gives those people far more power in deciding the presidency :/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:39:37pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:39:43pm

re: #147 BeachDem

As we contemplate the 11ty millionth article about poor, long-suffering Trump voters (eventually they will have interviewed each and every one of them) will we never hear about the trials, tribulations, sadness and fear of the sane people who voted for Hillary but are suffering the same crap as the yamster idiots?

Nah—who cares about them when there’s one or two coal-country “economically anxious” white person to interview.

Sigh.

Great question. Why no articles about the millions of voters who supported Secretary Clinton and are bitterly disappointed with how the election turned out? Why isn’t our side interesting enough to be written about at least a few times in the mainstream media?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:41:34pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

We had snow yesterday. Twice. I went jogging today, without my heart rate monitor. Felt naked, covered from head to toe.

I’ve had some weird issues with my HRM, like I think the jacket I bought recently blocks the signal. After fiddling with it for 5 minutes while trying not to wander into the traffic lanes, I gave up and just switched it to clock mode, because I was pretty sure that my HR going up a climb was NOT 78.

Reminds me of the time I was headed out for a ride and noticed my cell phone was discharged. “Oh, no! Now I can’t ride!”, I thought.

Then I remembered that before I had a cell phone, I rode anyway. So I rode anyway.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:42:01pm

re: #207 Patricia Kayden

Great question. Why no articles about the millions of voters who supported Secretary Clinton and are bitterly disappointed with how the election turned out? Why isn’t our side interesting enough to be written about at least a few times in the mainstream media?

There were plenty of articles in the immediate aftermath of the election. It’s just that most of them took the tone of “Look at these fools who supported Hillary, see how miserable they all are for betting on the loser.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:42:30pm

re: #207 Patricia Kayden

Great question. Why no articles about the millions of voters who supported Secretary Clinton and are bitterly disappointed with how the election turned out? Why isn’t our side interesting enough to be written about at least a few times in the mainstream media?

You mean, the millions MORE of us who voted for Clinton? We’re just Coastal Elites, you know, not Real Americans.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:43:33pm

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean, the millions MORE of us who voted for Clinton? We’re just Coastal Elites, you know, not Real Americans.

[Cough.]

Need I remind you that those of us in the wild north country, who are a rather significant distance from EITHER coast, also did not buy into the Drumpfgasm that took the rest of Middle America.

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A Cranky One  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:44:49pm

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

Plus, how interesting are interviews where everyone says “We told you so, idiots!”.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:47:00pm

re: #173 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

A righteous rant, but WTF is movement atheism?

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:48:21pm

The media spent the immediate post-election period talking about how Trump’s victory was a victory for “Middle America” (i.e. “Real Americans”) and playing up the “promise” that his victory presented for America. We were supposed to believe that he was a breath of fresh air, a new perspective in politics which would help the common clay of the country.

So it’s only fitting that every article since he took office has been about the plight of these poor folks and how hard it is on them to be laughed at by liberals who supported that “crook” Hillary.

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:48:36pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

[Cough.]

Need I remind you that those of us in the wild north country, who are a rather significant distance from EITHER coast, also did not buy into the Drumpfgasm that took the rest of Middle America.

Then there are us Gulf coasters who throw all kinds of wrenches in there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:49:04pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

[Cough.]

Need I remind you that those of us in the wild north country, who are a rather significant distance from EITHER coast, also did not buy into the Drumpfgasm that took the rest of Middle America.

Lots of lakes in the wild north country. You’re probably within a mile of SOME coast or other.
//

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:49:27pm

re: #216 Blind Frog Belly White

Lots of lakes in the wild north country. You’re probably within a mile of SOME coast or other.
//

Yes, but not the elite ocean coasts. :P

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:49:58pm

re: #213 BeachDem

A righteous rant, but WTF is movement atheism?

All the responses that come to my mind are scatological.

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bratwurst  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:50:07pm
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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:50:18pm

Heh—Tonight on TCM—the original Manchurian Candidate, followed by Bridge of Spies.

Coincidence? I think not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:50:56pm

re: #217 thedopefishlives

Yes, but not the elite ocean coasts. :P

We could make you an Honorary Coastal Elite. We’ll teach you the secret handshake (looks just like a handshake).

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:51:21pm

re: #219 bratwurst

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My dad actually had a rare moral crisis back in the days when his company was owned by a major tobacco brand. Thankfully, their company got spun off, which ended the moral dilemma.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:51:44pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

We could make you an Honorary Coastal Elite. We’ll teach you the secret handshake (looks just like a handshake).

That brings to mind an interesting question, which is: Does Minnesota have more coastline than, say, California?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:51:50pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s the thing about Trump voters getting screwed but still standing by their yam - if Clinton had been elected, she would absolutely NOT have done to them, as revenge, what Trump will do to them. In fact Clinton would have done what she could to help them even more.

Well, they hated President Obama with a passion and he did nothing to hurt them (certainly not intentionally, at least).

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:51:51pm

Can you be a Coastal Elite if you live on an island? Bcuz I want to be some kind of Elite. Any Elite, really. Just give me something to work with.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:52:01pm

re: #220 BeachDem

I think it was last Saturday when my LG TV went PBS had that on as a Saturday Night Movie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:52:32pm

re: #225 BigPapa

Can you be a Coastal Elite if you live on an island? Bcuz I want to be some kind of Elite. Any Elite, really. Just give me something to work with.

I’m not sure you can be anything but.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:52:38pm

re: #223 thedopefishlives

That brings to mind an interesting question, which is: Does Minnesota have more coastline than, say, California?

Michigan has the most coastline.

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:52:56pm

re: #225 BigPapa

Can you be a Coastal Elite if you live on an island? Bcuz I want to be some kind of Elite. Any Elite, really. Just give me something to work with.

Living on an island makes you the elitest of the elite.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:53:42pm

re: #229 allegro

Living on an island makes you the elitest of the elite.

Hear that, Brooklyn?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:55:02pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

Go Guillermo Lasso!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:55:12pm

re: #228 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Michigan has the most coastline.

Ha! I learned something today. And I’m already moderately intoxicated. Well done.

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(alpuz)  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:56:26pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Hear that, Brooklyn?

The Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn

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BigPapa  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:56:52pm

That’s it. It’s settled. I’m Eliteballs.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:58:20pm

re: #231 Patricia Kayden

Go Guillermo Lasso!!!!

It looks like he may have won, even though he was behind in the polls. First time I’ve been for the conservative in a long time.

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:59:17pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

I don’t remember many but I was pretty distraught then. We’re 4 months out and they are still writing the same bullshit profiles of the Drumpf bigot cult without saying they are a bigot cult still.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:59:28pm

I’m a “blue heart in a deep red state elite.”

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 4:59:43pm

For those who may not have seen Mrs. Fish’s beautiful ‘79, here’s some car porn for a Sunday evening.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:01:33pm

re: #238 thedopefishlives

Big and shiny!

Here’s the bigger version.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:02:14pm

re: #239 thedopefishlives

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Here’s the bigger version.

Its as big as a whale!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:02:41pm

re: #239 thedopefishlives

Very nice. Lincoln’s are the best Land Yachts. :)

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:02:54pm

re: #240 Big Beautiful Door

Its as big as a whale!

You’re not far off. She’s nearly 20’ long (my dad jokes that she’s bigger than his fishing boat), and weighs in at a hefty 5000 lbs with a full tank and a full driver.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:03:14pm

re: #219 bratwurst

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My job requires a certain… moral flexibility.

Thank You For Smoking

imdb.com

(You’re welcome.)

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:05:11pm

re: #236 JordanRules

I don’t remember many but I was pretty distraught then. We’re 4 months out and they are still writing the same bullshit profiles of the Drumpf bigot cult without saying they are a bigot cult still.

Well that’s like saying that alcohol companies don’t make ads about their consumers getting shitfaced and being total dickholes. When it comes down to things, profit overrides the truth in the eyes of major corporations.

(Disclaimer: There was a quartet of poster children for why drinking in excess is bad who decided to mob the desk last night in search of pizza.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:05:59pm

re: #243 BeachDem

My job requires a certain… moral flexibility.

Thank You For Smoking

imdb.com

(You’re welcome.)

Great movie. Fantastic performance by Eckhart.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:06:56pm

re: #193 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Then, after you’ve raised your yearly income to $32k (2x+ your min wage job) in 10 years you’re set.

Wait, what happened to the talking point HURR HURR TEH MINIMUM WAGE JERBS IS TEH BEGINNERS, ONLY FOR TEH TEEN AGERS GETTIN THERE FIRST JERB!!!! THEN YOU MOVE IN TO A HIGHER PAYING JERB ONCE U GETS SOME EXPERIENS!!!! TEH MINIMUM WAGER IS NOT A CAREER PATH!!!1!!!!

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:07:15pm

re: #237 Ace Rothstein

I’m a “blue heart in a deep red state elite.”

I am similarly positioned, but do, in fact live within 5 blocks of the ocean, so a true coastal elite.

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JordanRules  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:07:37pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

I know, I know. Sigh.

The media is a for profit game most of the time.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:08:27pm

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

Wait, what happened to the talking point HURR HURR TEH MINIMUM WAGE JERBS IS TEH BEGINNERS, ONLY FOR TEH TEEN AGERS GETTIN THERE FIRST JERB!!!! THEN YOU MOVE IN TO A HIGHER PAYING JERB ONCE U GETS SOME EXPERIENS!!!! TEH MINIMUM WAGER IS NOT A CAREER PATH!!!1!!!!

It’s because the point of the article is like one saying that a person can live on bread and water: It can be done, but the effort will not be productive and you’ll be worse off for it.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:08:38pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

Very nice. Lincoln’s are the best Land Yachts. :)

This one is one of the last, as they downsized Cadillacs in 1978 and the Lincolns in 1980. She has almost no real power under the hood thanks to emissions regulations, but it’s still a lot of fun to drive, when she’s running right. When she isn’t… well, let’s just say the tow company knows me by name by now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:12:17pm

re: #223 thedopefishlives

That brings to mind an interesting question, which is: Does Minnesota have more coastline than, say, California?

Michigan has.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:16:16pm

re: #238 thedopefishlives

[Embedded content]

For those who may not have seen Mrs. Fish’s beautiful ‘79, here’s some car porn for a Sunday evening.

I thought it would be bigger.
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retired cynic  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:17:53pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Replacing one destroyed flat tire will cost more than the $75/month for food.

Nope. You hunt around the neighborhood for a friend who has the same size tire, and will sell you an almost decent one for $25, and then change it yourself, or pay another friend $10 to mount it.

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Targetpractice  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:18:54pm

Really, the point of the BI article is the same as most such articles: “The poors aren’t kept back by the minimum wage, they’re kept back by poor choices.” That you could totally make it in America is you just lived without any luxuries whatsoever. It’s your choice to buy that used iPhone, so that’s why you’re poor. Not because your boss and his boss feel that you’re just an interchangeable cog in the system.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:19:55pm

re: #243 BeachDem

My job requires a certain… moral flexibility.

Thank You For Smoking

imdb.com

(You’re welcome.)

When I left, I joined the army, and when I took the service exam my psych profile fit a certain… moral flexibility would be the only way to describe it… and I was loaned out to a CIA-sponsored program, and we sort of found each other. That’s how it works.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:22:02pm

re: #254 Targetpractice

Really, the point of the BI article is the same as most such articles: “The poors aren’t kept back by the minimum wage, they’re kept back by poor choices.” That you could totally make it in America is you just lived without any luxuries whatsoever. It’s your choice to buy that used iPhone, so that’s why you’re poor. Not because your boss and his boss feel that you’re just an interchangeable cog in the system.

Stupid bastards should have chosen to be born white, between 1945 and 1965. And male.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:25:09pm

re: #252 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought it would be bigger.
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Yeah, yeah, that’s what SHE said.

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piratedan  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:25:55pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

yeah… I always thought of Gross Pointe Blank when I hear that line…. :-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:40:14pm

Because, god knows, addicts are ridiculously healthy.

On another note, this would be yet another “Fuck You!” to Trump’s voters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:40:56pm

Hey, where’d everybody go? Is it my breath?

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Cheechako  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:42:38pm

re: #228 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Michigan has the most coastline.

Ahhh….think about Alaska.

List of U.S. states by coastline

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thedopefishlives  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:44:16pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, where’d everybody go? Is it my breath?

Dude. Seriously. You need to shower.////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:47:24pm
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:50:01pm

re: #61 Skip Intro

Better or worse?

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I need a fuckin’ eye exam after seeing that photo. Thanks a lot.

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:52:43pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:53:44pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:56:08pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:58:15pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

Yay! My two senators are at the top of that list (probably because they’re first names start with ‘A’). Last week I called and sent post cards to both of them to support the filibuster.

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2017 • 5:58:17pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

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“I didn’t say we should actually do anything about it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:06:18pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:07:34pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:14:23pm
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lawhawk  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:17:58pm

re: #272 teleskiguy

The Bartender Shrugged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:18:26pm
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:20:15pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:23:00pm

That Financial Times interview with Fuckface Von Clownstick just made me dumber.

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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:28:32pm

BIG LIZARD

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Kafitrar  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:29:58pm

re: #268 stpaulbear

Yay! My two senators are at the top of that list (probably because they’re first names start with ‘A’). Last week I called and sent post cards to both of them to support the filibuster.

One of my senators (Cory Booker) is on the Yes list, but my other senator (Bob Menedndez) is listed as Undecided. I’ll have to call his office tomorrow.

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makeitstop  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:31:57pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

Hear that, Brooklyn?

Funny, I don’t feel that elite…

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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:34:44pm

Seems I’m not alone …
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FormerDirtDart  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:38:15pm
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CleverToad  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:42:10pm

re: #278 Kafitrar

One of my senators (Cory Booker) is on the Yes list, but my other senator (Bob Menedndez) is listed as Undecided. I’ll have to call his office tomorrow.

Tell him there’s no point in us marching in the streets if the Dems are going to cave in the chambers. And that there’s no point in ‘keeping our powder dry for the next battle’ if we’re going to get flattened by tanks while we’re still reaching for our muskets.

This is a fight worth having.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:46:46pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:46:48pm
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Belafon  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:49:03pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

I haven’t kept up with politics there. What does this mean? Good, bad, meh?

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Kafitrar  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:51:00pm

re: #282 CleverToad

Tell him there’s no point in us marching in the streets if the Dems are going to cave in the chambers. And that there’s no point in ‘keeping our powder dry for the next battle’ if we’re going to get flattened by tanks while we’re still reaching for our muskets.

This is a fight worth having.

Will do. I know I’ve called both their offices before to voice my opposition to Gorsuch.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:51:21pm

re: #285 Belafon

I haven’t kept up with politics there. What does this mean? Good, bad, meh?

Bad if you wanted Assange booted out of their embassy. The Russians win another one.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:55:15pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

On Business Insider’s nonsensical claim, it isn’t even “richsplaining” as someone noted above.

I presume minimum wage workers don’t read Business Insider.

It is to make rich people feel good about themselves paying poor people nothing more than minimum wage. That’s it.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 6:55:39pm

Donald Trump has said the United States will “solve” the nuclear threat from North Korea, with or without China’s help.
“If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you,” he said in an interview with UK paper Financial Times.
Pressed on whether he thought he could succeed alone, he replied: “Totally.”

BBC

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:01:04pm

re: #289 Skip Intro

Donald Trump has said the United States will “solve” the nuclear threat from North Korea, with or without China’s help.
“If China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you,” he said in an interview with UK paper Financial Times.
Pressed on whether he thought he could succeed alone, he replied: “Totally.”

BBC

Seeing in my mind’s eye 45 gleefully rubbing his hands together and going “boom!” over and over.

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Kafitrar  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:01:42pm

re: #287 Skip Intro

Bad if you wanted Assange booted out of their embassy. The Russians win another one.

Assange just tweeted “I cordially invite Lasso to leave Ecuador within 30 days (with or without his tax haven millions)”

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:02:24pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

I bought the e-book Band of Brothers today as it’s on sale for $1.75.

I was reading it over dinner. Many of the NCOs and officers of Easy Company came up through the ranks.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:09:19pm

re: #279 makeitstop

Funny, I don’t feel that elite…

I live on the Inland Coast (the Nebraska Sandhills). Do I get to be an honorary coastal elite? (I’ve never been to college and draw VA disability so I make about $80 a day, so if I just follow that Business Insider plan I could become wealthy in about four hundred more years. I even went one better than they suggested by going homeless for eleven years. No electric bill, no insurance, … .)

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stpaulbear  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:11:52pm

re: #293 Anymouse

I live on the Inland Coast (the Nebraska Sandhills). Do I get to be an honorary coastal elite?

Nobody even wants to fly over you.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:13:18pm

re: #294 stpaulbear

Nobody even wants to fly over you.

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LOL. Canada geese do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:14:50pm

I can’t wait until Assange gets his. It will be glorious.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:16:48pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t wait until Assange gets his. It will be glorious.

The universe appears to have shifted into full asshole protection mode.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:18:12pm

re: #297 Skip Intro

The universe appears to have shifted into full asshole protection mode.

What’s been going on around the world lately pretty much puts to rest the old saw “what comes around goes around.” (Unless what’s going around is an STD.)

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:20:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:24:35pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

What the fuck is wrong with these people who can’t see the OBVIOUS difference between Republicans and Democrats? Seriously. This isn’t hard. How can you ask “is there a difference” between things that are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT?

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teleskiguy  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:26:24pm

I hate days like today. Today the ski area I have a pass to has ceased lift operations for the season.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:26:39pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:28:16pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

I suspect it’s a way of ducking and weaving around the way that the right is pulling away from normal conduct and disregarding procedure. If it’s “both sides” there’s a false mean.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:32:14pm

re: #303 The Ghost of Senator Incitatus

I suspect it’s a way of ducking and weaving around the way that the right is pulling away from normal conduct and disregarding procedure. If it’s “both sides” there’s a false mean.

Not only that, but Sen. McConnell said during the campaign that if Hillary Clinton was elected he would permit no nominee of hers to be heard in a hearing.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:32:56pm

re: #304 Anymouse

He sure did. Said the SC could just die out if a Republican wasn’t president.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:34:31pm

re: #302 Charles Johnson

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Garland didn’t get a hearing OR a vote, because he was mainstream and would have been confirmed. Gorsuch just got a hearing, and may get a vote, even though he’s an extremist.

But more than that, there’s no excuse for what the Republicans did. No historic precedent, no custom. They did it because they could. And to simply let them go forward like that never happened? No. Fucking. Way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:35:25pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:37:49pm

Has anyone ever heard Jared say anything in public? On TV? On Fox?

Anywhere?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:39:08pm
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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:41:47pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Garland didn’t get a hearing OR a vote, because he was mainstream and would have been confirmed. Gorsuch just got a hearing, and may get a vote, even though he’s an extremist.

But more than that, there’s no excuse for what the Republicans did. No historic precedent, no custom. They did it because they could. And to simply let them go forward like that never happened? No. Fucking. Way.

Well, they tried to blame it on Joe Biden (the non-existent Biden rule).

I wrote a letter to my local newspaper during Justice Garland’s nomination noting the number of times a candidate for the Supreme Court had been heard in the final year of a presidency. Unfortunately here, most people didn’t seem to care about who is on the Supreme Court, and the paper wasn’t making an issue of it (conservative outlet).

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Chrysicat  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:41:55pm

And for the record there has got to be a better way to embed whole tweetstorms :-(

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Belafon  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:45:24pm

My dog Zero is calling it a night:

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:46:12pm

Twitter, what the fuck?

Why am I not getting a half of my notifications?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:46:28pm

re: #310 Anymouse

Well, they tried to blame it on Joe Biden (the non-existent Biden rule).

I wrote a letter to my local newspaper during Justice Garland’s nomination noting the number of times a candidate for the Supreme Court had been heard in the final year of a presidency. Unfortunately here, most people didn’t seem to care about who is on the Supreme Court, and the paper wasn’t making an issue of it (conservative outlet).

Yeah, the Biden Rule. Except that it didn’t apply. Biden was talking about a vacancy coming up after the Conventions, but before the General, and he also said the President should wait to nominate till after the election.

IOW, it was bullshit they could get their idiot followers to think meant something.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:49:57pm

re: #242 thedopefishlives

You’re not far off. She’s nearly 20’ long (my dad jokes that she’s bigger than his fishing boat), and weighs in at a hefty 5000 lbs with a full tank and a full driver.

That’s longer and heavier than the Hudson Hornet I used to have! And not nearly as aerodynamic.

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:50:10pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

Garland didn’t get a hearing OR a vote, because he was mainstream and would have been confirmed. Gorsuch just got a hearing, and may get a vote, even though he’s an extremist.

But more than that, there’s no excuse for what the Republicans did. No historic precedent, no custom. They did it because they could. And to simply let them go forward like that never happened? No. Fucking. Way.

I’ve written Feinstein and called her office. I will not be happy if she votes for cloture.

In happier news, we saw an excellent performance of Gilbert and Sullivan’s Princess Ida this afternoon at San Jose Lyric Opera. You can’t see it, even if you live here because it was the final performance. Nyah, nyah.

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Skip Intro  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:53:53pm

re: #316 calochortus

If she does she needs to be primaried. She’s too damn old for another term anyway. Maybe we could get someome under 70 to take over.

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Anymouse  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:55:35pm

Shameless promotion of an article by Birth Control Works:
Republican Politician Says Women Should Be Forced to Carry a Dead Foetus to Term

I know a woman who was forced to do precisely that. It was horrible for her and her whole family.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:56:21pm

re: #273 lawhawk

The Bartender Shrugged.

You know, “Atlas Shrugged” makes for a very good book title, as it alludes to Atlas carrying the Earth on his shoulders, and then maybe dropping it.

Too bad it has already been used for a shitpile of words written by Ayn Rand.

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:56:54pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

If she does she needs to be primaried. She’s too damn old for another term anyway. Maybe we could get someome under 70 to take over.

Yup.

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mmmirele  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:57:26pm

re: #318 Anymouse

Shameless promotion of an article by Birth Control Works:
Republican Politician Says Women Should Be Forced to Carry a Dead Foetus to Term

I know a woman who was forced to do precisely that. It was horrible for her and her whole family.

Jesus Christ, that can kill a woman from sepsis!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 7:58:40pm

re: #321 mmmirele

Jesus Christ, that can kill a woman from sepsis!

God’s Will

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:00:22pm

re: #319 wheat-dogg

You know, “Atlas Shrugged” makes for a very good book title, as it alludes to Atlas carrying the Earth on his shoulders, and then maybe dropping it.

Too bad it has already been used for a shitpile of words written by Ayn Rand.

The reality is that if a bunch of John Galt types left society to collapse under the weight of its Moochers and Takers, nobody would notice. It’s the ultimate teen suicide ‘You’ll all be sorry!’ fantasy.

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:02:34pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

If she does she needs to be primaried. She’s too damn old for another term anyway. Maybe we could get someome under 70 to take over.

Not much point in calling Lindsey—his little mind is so made up. Yeah—maybe people will stop calling him a moderate (he never was.)

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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:02:56pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

The reality is that if a bunch of John Galt types left society to collapse under the weight of its Moochers and Takers, nobody would notice. It’s the ultimate teen suicide ‘You’ll all be sorry!’ fantasy.

I have never understood who, precisely, is providing food to, and cleaning the houses of the residents of Galt’s Gulch while the world burns. I also don’t care.

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EPR-radar  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:07:06pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

The reality is that if a bunch of John Galt types left society to collapse under the weight of its Moochers and Takers, nobody would notice. It’s the ultimate teen suicide ‘You’ll all be sorry!’ fantasy.

Ultra-wealthy libertarians like Peter Thiel never seem to realize one basic fact — they made their giant piles of cash as part of a system where some people just get that kind of reward for their effort.

Libertopia doesn’t have that kind of system. Anyone who wants the big piles of gold bullion in libertopia had best be a successful warlord.

So they make their money in a civilized system and then want to use their wealth to drop out of that system. They certainly are ungrateful little shits.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:08:42pm

re: #326 EPR-radar

As I’ve said before, Libertarians and Randians want to live tax-free in the world created by Liberalism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:08:46pm
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calochortus  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:09:14pm

re: #326 EPR-radar

Ultra-wealthy libertarians like Peter Thiel never seem to realize one basic fact — they made their giant piles of cash as part of a system where some people just get that kind of reward for their effort.

Libertopia doesn’t have that kind of system. Anyone who wants the big piles of gold bullion in libertopia had best be a successful warlord.

So they make their money in a civilized system and then want to use their wealth to drop out of that system. They certainly are ungrateful little shits.

They want to drop out and take the rest of us with them. I’d rather not go, my self.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:12:22pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

The reality is that if a bunch of John Galt types left society to collapse under the weight of its Moochers and Takers, nobody would notice. It’s the ultimate teen suicide ‘You’ll all be sorry!’ fantasy.

Roger Ver relinquished his US citizenship, to avoid paying income taxes on his billions. Moved offshore. No one misses him.

When he applied for a US visa to attend some tech conference, it was denied. LOL

The flaw in Rand’s premise is assuming no one from the Moochers and Takers would rise up to replace the absent John Galt types. She somehow believed that M&Ts are predestined to be M&Ts, and so they would never rise above their station. Real world societies do not act like that at all. Once there is a power vacuum, someone steps in to fill it. If a John Galt took all his basketballs and moved to some remote aerie to avoid the M&Ts, at least one of them would open a basketball-making factory and life for everyone else would go on.

See also, Europe after the Black Death. Losing so many people in the top levels of society enabled social mobility in the lower levels.

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Kafitrar  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:12:24pm

re: #321 mmmirele

Jesus Christ, that can kill a woman from sepsis!

It killed Savita Halappanavar back in 2012. She was an Indian dentist living in Ireland. Seventeen weeks into her pregnancy, she suffered a miscarriage. Doctors at the hospital refused to perform an abortion, due to abortion being illegal in Ireland. As a result, she became septic and died days later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:13:27pm
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majii  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:15:31pm

re: #312 Belafon

“My dog Zero is calling it a night:”

I’m ROTFLMBO after seeing Zero in that bed. The jokes on you, if that’s your bed, because Zero got first dibs on it.

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:15:39pm

Must have been some stupid “tailored for you” setting. Stupid twitter.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:17:12pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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allegro  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:17:48pm

re: #333 majii

“My dog Zero is calling it a night:”

I’m ROTFLMBO after seeing Zero in that bed. The jokes on you, if that’s your bed, because Zero got first dibs on it.

Betcha Zero will scootch for snuggles. ;)

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Nyet  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:19:31pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:20:38pm

re: #331 Kafitrar

It killed Savita Halappanavar back in 2012. She was an Indian dentist living in Ireland. Seventeen weeks into her pregnancy, she suffered a miscarriage. Doctors at the hospital refused to perform an abortion, due to abortion being illegal in Ireland. As a result, she became septic and died days later.

By the time an anti-abortion activist wants pregnancy carried to term with a dead fetus, I think it fair to conclude the activist is motivated by absolute contempt for and hatred of women, such that every woman dead in pregnancy is somehow counted as a ‘victory’.

For fucks sake, it isn’t an abortion if you start with a dead fetus, for any sane definition of abortion.

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mmmirele  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:23:40pm

re: #331 Kafitrar

It killed Savita Halappanavar back in 2012. She was an Indian dentist living in Ireland. Seventeen weeks into her pregnancy, she suffered a miscarriage. Doctors at the hospital refused to perform an abortion, due to abortion being illegal in Ireland. As a result, she became septic and died days later.

Yeah, I regularly bring Ms. Halappanavar up when conversing with pro-lifers. Every time one of them tells me that a fetus has a beating heart, I point out that Ms. Halappanavar had a beating heart but died because of a strict rule that favored the as-yet-unborn fetus over the living and here woman.

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William Lewis  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:24:22pm

For any warbird lovers here tonight, a video ad for a 1938 F3F-2 that was for sale a couple of years ago.

1938 Grumman F3F-2 For Sale at Trade-A-Plane.com

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Pineapple Pizza  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:27:54pm

re: #319 wheat-dogg

You know, “Atlas Shrugged” makes for a very good book title, as it alludes to Atlas carrying the Earth on his shoulders, and then maybe dropping it.

Too bad it has already been used for a shitpile of words written by Ayn Rand.

She also besmirched the name of the historical figure, John Galt.

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EPR-radar  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:28:25pm

re: #339 mmmirele

Yeah, I regularly bring Ms. Halappanavar up when conversing with pro-lifers. Every time one of them tells me that a fetus has a beating heart, I point out that she had a beating heart but died because of a strict rule that favored the as-yet-unborn fetus over the living and here woman.

That case also exposes the horror of the abortion ban with an exception for “life of the mother”, which was basically the relevant Irish law at the time. Just how close to death’s door does someone have to be before a bunch of ass-covering hospital administrators will sign off on it?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:32:04pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:40:06pm

re: #343 Dave In Austin

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Obama looks like he’s having fun while he golfs, all smiles.

Trump looks like golf is a chore, and he’s only doing it because people expect him to do it. He never smiles.

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retired cynic  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:44:04pm

re: #344 wheat-dogg

Obama looks like he’s having fun while he golfs, all smiles.

Trump looks like golf is a chore, and he’s only doing it because people expect him to do it. He never smiles.

But it has to be more pleasant than being president.

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fern01  Apr 2, 2017 • 8:44:55pm

re: #344 wheat-dogg

Obama looks like he’s having fun while he golfs, all smiles.

Trump looks like golf is a chore, and he’s only doing it because people expect him to do it. He never smiles.

He looks horrific when he smiles. I’m thankful he rarely has reason to do so.

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Teukka  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:07:03pm

re: #318 Anymouse

Shameless promotion of an article by Birth Control Works:
Republican Politician Says Women Should Be Forced to Carry a Dead Foetus to Term

I know a woman who was forced to do precisely that. It was horrible for her and her whole family.

Updinged.

re: #321 mmmirele

Jesus Christ, that can kill a woman from sepsis!

And that’s just one of the potential complications.

re: #331 Kafitrar

It killed Savita Halappanavar back in 2012. She was an Indian dentist living in Ireland. Seventeen weeks into her pregnancy, she suffered a miscarriage. Doctors at the hospital refused to perform an abortion, due to abortion being illegal in Ireland. As a result, she became septic and died days later.

Obviously it was a librull fallse flagg!! 11ttty!!!11

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BeachDem  Apr 2, 2017 • 9:49:51pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This will burn the little rager:

…senior veterans of the campaign and Trump presidential transition, as well as current White House officials, laugh off Johnson’s claims of direct collaboration as, for starters, “ridiculous,” “nonsense,” and as “living in his own world.”


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