In a Rush to Blame the Left, White House Press Corps-Accredited Gateway Pundit Doxes Wrong Person in High School Shooting

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Jim Hoft (aka, the Stupidest Man on the Internet) collaborator Lucian Wintrich is definitely working with the right person, because he’s equally hateful and equally stupid. (That’s his headline above.)

In the wake of today’s awful mass shooting at a Florida high school, Wintrich followed in Hoft’s footsteps with one of their tried and true right wing smear tactics — trying to prove immediately that the perpetrator of this horrible crime was a “registered Democrat.” They’ve pulled this little scheme so many times it’s impossible to count them all — they do it every single time, and that’s no exaggeration.

And this time, in their rush to pin this on the left, Wintrich doxed the wrong person: BREAKING: Don’t Let The MAGA Hat Fool You, Hispanic Shooter “Nicolas de Jesus Cruz” Was A Registered Democrat.

Notice how he specifically identifies the suspect as “Hispanic,” because that’s how grotesque and blatant Gateway Pundit’s bigotry is.

Wintrich’s source for the name of the shooter is a sketchy anonymous Twitter account that provides no link to back up the identification:

And that’s all he needed. Based on this one tweet, Wintrich rushed over to the Florida voter registration rolls, looked up the name, saw that “Nicolas de Jesus Cruz” was registered as a Democrat, and blasted it out on the Internet to their many right wing followers.

And it was the wrong person. The accused shooter actually spells his name “Nikolas Cruz,” according to the Broward County Sheriff’s office.

And far from being a “Democrat,” the real Nikolas Cruz was apparently fond of extreme right wing causes, was virulently anti-Muslim… and was a fan of Donald Trump.

“I knew him to be passive aggressive but not violent. He was rude to people. He had an act up like he was tough. He never got into like physical fights with anyone but he did get into verbal arguments,” 17-year-old Ocean Parodie told The Daily Beast. “I just thought he dropped out of school, I didn’t think he would do anything. He always kept a low profile.”

“He was definitely not accepted at our school socially. People saw him as someone who was different than the normal people at our school. At our school we have something called the Emo Gazebo. That’s where all the kids that are considered weird or not accepted sat. Kids at the Emo Gazebo didn’t even accept him there. He was just an outcast,” Parodie added.

“He always had his hair short. He always wore like really patriotic shirts that seemed really extreme, like hating on the Islamic religion. For example, he would say things such as like, he would degrade islamic people as terrorists and bombers. I’ve seen him wear a Trump hat. I don’t know if he ever said anything about women. He didn’t have any friends,” he said.

Nice work, Lucian Wintrich. You’re upholding the Gateway Pundit tradition of being stupidly wrong and creepily hateful.

And we should note in closing that this horrifyingly bad blog is now an accredited White House correspondent with access to the press room, and Donald Trump himself frequently tweets links to their garbage fraudulent articles.

UPDATE at 2/14/18 8:01:46 pm by Charles Johnson

The Twitter account Lucian Wintrich cited for his wrong identification, @Breaking911, has now been suspended:

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283 comments

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:07:07pm

I posted this downstairs, think it’s relevant to this thread.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:09:33pm

Now is the time to talk about the Las Vegas shooting. When the next mass shooting occurs, it will be time to talk about Florida.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:12:57pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:13:50pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:14:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:22:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:22:43pm

Even his supporters figure he’d just fuck it up.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:22:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:23:17pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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Take care of yourself, Charles. That’s how the last 3 weeks of misery for me began.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:24:21pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:24:26pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:26:38pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:27:31pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:28:33pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:28:45pm

So this guy woulda slobbered all over Lucian, who only got the job because he is a twink who threw rod for Jim Hoff of the Gateway Pundit, probably was an avid Nazi loving wingnut who followed all of the usual nutjob twitter suspects.

But, once again, it is the left who is blame.

F*ck these guys. Enough is enough. May this SOB share a wingnut cell with his fellow right wing Hannity loving, MAGA Roof.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:29:58pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:31:05pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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That moment of realization sucks.

OD on preventative measures and chill….

Good luck.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:33:03pm

The world wide nuclear war drills I went through in elementary school seem so tame and innocent now.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:33:22pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:33:37pm
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Jay C  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:33:54pm

Interesting that a classmate of Nikolas Cruz’s makes the point that he didn’t fit in at Douglas High - anywhere: according to reports, that school has 3200 students: I know it’s easy for loners and oddballs to fade into the background at big institutions, but SRSLY? At a HS of 3200 kids, he couldn’t find at least one clique??

BTW, does “Nicolas de Jesus Cruz” - whoever and wherever he might be - have any sort of legal recourse against the Gateway Pinheads for doxxing him like this? I’m guessing (unfortunately) not - but don;t know the law that well.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:34:09pm
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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:34:23pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

A sax player I worked with once told me the best way to knock out a cold was to drink a bottle of whiskey and get under several layers of blankets until you sweated it out.

I’ve never tried that approach. He’s dead now.

I’ve done that, but it doesn’t take a whole bottle. A couple of shots is enough for me.

Maybe I’m just a lightweight, though.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:35:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:35:21pm

re: #19 Belafon

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BUTBUTBUT WHAT IF WE WANT TO GO OUT AND SHOOT A WHOLE FIELD FULL OF RABBITS TO MAKE RABBIT STEW FOR ALL OF OUR EXTENDED RELATIVES AND WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR?!?!?!?!?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:35:38pm

I totally agree that this shit is fucked up and bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:35:47pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:36:21pm

re: #21 Jay C

Interesting that a classmate of Nikolas Cruz’s makes the point that he didn’t fit in at Douglas High - anywhere: according to reports, that school has 3200 students: I know it’s easy for loners and oddballs to fade into the background at big institutions, but SRSLY? At a HS of 3200 kids, he couldn’t find at least one clique??

BTW, does “Nicolas de Jesus Cruz” - whoever and wherever he might be - have any sort of legal recourse against the Gateway Pinheads for doxxing him like this? I’m guessing (unfortunately) not - but don;t know the law that well.

They say that even the outcasts wanted nothing to do with him. He’s not just a weird kid, he’s a creepy kid who they knew was a threat to other students.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:36:24pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

BUTBUTBUT WHAT IF WE WANT TO GO OUT AND SHOOT A WHOLE FIELD FULL OF RABBITS TO MAKE RABBIT STEW FOR ALL OF OUR EXTENDED RELATIVES AND WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR?!?!?!?!?

“How am I supposed to get lead poisoning if I can’t shred the meat when i shoot it?”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:36:47pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In all seriousness, “large bullets” have their uses; if you are okay with the idea of hunting animals, there are some animals that need some pretty big firepower. Even here in the US, hunting bears or moose takes a rifle with serious energy. Outside of that, though, I completely agree with the idea of restrictions on magazine sizes and making them hard to modify.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:37:20pm

re: #23 makeitstop

Same here. It worked 50% of the time.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:38:26pm

I have numerous guns locked in a safe.

I shoot a lot, I have thousands of rounds of ammo at my house.

Regulate the sh*t out of me.

Make me pass a yearly test. Do a yearly background check.

Make me register my guns once a year like I do my car, boats and trailers.

I know what my guns can do, I have no problem with the government knowing exactly who has what and when they have it.

I want it.

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Scout  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:38:57pm

Seventeen people dead in a mass shooting.

Sorry, I just sort of felt like it had to be said again.

I’m literally sick to my stomach that this is now normal, just another day in America.

I also feel like a shitty person for feeling smug that I live in a metropolitan area of 35 million people and there won’t be a single firearm-related homicide today or any other day for the foreseeable future.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:39:20pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:39:22pm

re: #30 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In all seriousness, “large bullets” have their uses; if you are okay with the idea of hunting animals, there are some animals that need some pretty big firepower. Even here in the US, hunting bears or moose takes a rifle with serious energy. Outside of that, though, I completely agree with the idea of restrictions on magazine sizes and making them hard to modify.

I could kind of see hunting moose, but bear? Only if they need to be thinned out, and a public official should be doing that.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:39:53pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Heh! The bowling ball metaphors are great.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:40:34pm

These people sigh.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:40:54pm

re: #30 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In all seriousness, “large bullets” have their uses; if you are okay with the idea of hunting animals, there are some animals that need some pretty big firepower. Even here in the US, hunting bears or moose takes a rifle with serious energy. Outside of that, though, I completely agree with the idea of restrictions on magazine sizes and making them hard to modify.

There were a lot of animals hunted before there were ARs.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:40:58pm

re: #33 Scout

Don’t feel bad. I’m happy you don’t have to deal with this shit Scout. We hope to get there. We must *at least* vote to get there.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:41:09pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:41:24pm

re: #35 Belafon

I could kind of see hunting moose, but bear? Only if they need to be thinned out, and a public official should be doing that.

Bear meat is a thing, and bearskin rugs are the tacky redneck decorations. Those are the constructive uses; the guys who chase these big animals “for the challenge” honestly kinda bug me a little bit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:42:30pm

re: #38 ObserverArt

There were a lot of animals hunted before there were ARs.

You’re right - they used large-caliber, single-shot, bolt-action rifles (and in a lot of places, still do). Like I said, big bullets might have a use. Large magazines, semi-automatic fire, modifiable to full-auto - no reason whatsoever that I can see.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:42:48pm

re: #40 Belafon

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But it’s too soon to talk about gun control.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:43:01pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

I totally agree that this shit is fucked up and bullshit.

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She’s not wrong…
xD

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:43:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:43:53pm

I’ve just lost it today.

Trying to get through the day because this is the day my Mom was laid to rest in 1997.

Then I get the news alert.

A coworker then took a call from an idiot who shot his mouth off. I took over the call this guy had a love affair with his gun and he was glad the kids were dead.

I posted something I shouldn’t have done, went back and edited it.

Now the TV is shut off. I am listening to The Tales Of Hoffman to decompress.

I have to take tomorrow off and decompress.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:44:23pm

The problem with comparing an AR to a vehicle or a knife especially is the rate that gun fires at. That gun was invented to shoot and kill many people at many times. That’s why it was invented.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:44:29pm

re: #13 DodgerFan1988

When the @NRA say the only way we’ll get their guns is out of their cold dead hands- problem with that is that the only cold dead hands are those of our children. #schoolshooting parkland

— Marina Sirtis (@Marina_Sirtis) February 15, 2018

Kick some ass, Counselor.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:44:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:44:50pm

re: #45 JordanRules

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Yeah you said that after Pulse you fuck.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:45:15pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

{{Joe}}

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:46:38pm

“Large bullets” isn’t really an issue in this kind of shooting.

The preferred weapon is an AR-15 variant, and that’s a .223 or a NATO 5.56x45mm cartridge. Comparatively small projectile that does damage because it destabilizes when it impacts something solid (like tissue or ballistic gel), causing more damage than a big shell that goes through-and-through.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:47:25pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Yeah you said that after Pulse you fuck.

Republicans are a cancer on the nation. One of the many ways they make this clear is their ongoing support for random human sacrifice in the US to the almighty second amendment, fully paid for by the NRA and its legion of demented followers.

At least the Aztecs had the decency to make their human sacrifices part of important religious ceremonies.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:47:46pm

re: #40 Belafon

Looks more like 30 this year.
gunviolencearchive.org

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:48:25pm

re: #40 Belafon

How many people have to be sacrificed to appease the Gun God? When do we stop letting the NRA control gun laws? When does this madness stop?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:48:25pm

re: #54 Dave In Austin

Looks more like 30 this year.
gunviolencearchive.org

And we’re only half way through February.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:48:26pm

re: #32 bill d. (b.d.)

I have thousands of rounds of ammo at my house.

Why do you need so much ammo at one time? What are you expecting?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:49:14pm

re: #55 Patricia Kayden

How many people have to be sacrificed to appease the Gun God? When do we stop letting the NRA control gun laws? When does this madness stop?

When An NRA honcho himself gets maimed due to lax gun laws but I’m not even sure about that.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:49:22pm

re: #57 stpaulbear

Why do you need so much ammo at one time? What are you expecting?

Zombies.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:49:31pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:49:33pm

On Maddow and Hayes tonight, VA being highlighted as an example of changing things electorally with guns being top of mind for voters.

More, more, more!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:50:04pm

re: #55 Patricia Kayden

How many people have to be sacrificed to appease the Gun God? When do we stop letting the NRA control gun laws? When does this madness stop?

I think Charlton Heston was eerily prescient when he said we would have to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands. As much as I hate to say it, it may actually come down to all of the rabid gun-fuckers dying out (through misadventure, old age, or some combination thereof) to get a chance to make a difference.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:50:54pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

When An NRA honcho himself gets maimed due to lax gun laws but I’m not even sure about that.

I guess the guy at the GOP baseball practice wasn’t enough for the politicians.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:51:08pm

re: #45 JordanRules

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“There’s a time to continue to have these conversations”
Says the Governor of an Open Carry and Stand Your Ground state.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:51:14pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve just lost it today.

Trying to get through the day because this is the day my Mom was laid to rest in 1997.

Then I get the news alert.

A coworker then took a call from an idiot who shot his mouth off. I took over the call this guy had a love affair with his gun and he was glad the kids were dead.

I posted something I shouldn’t have done, went back and edited it.

Now the TV is shut off. I am listening to The Tales Of Hoffman to decompress.

I have to take tomorrow off and decompress.

Completely understandable.
All this shit going on and…
Yeah, makes me want to rage too.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:51:25pm

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

{{{{{{Joe}}}}}}

Mom’s are special, I feel your loss and am sorry.

I also realized within the past year or so that some people are heartless, unthoughtful jerks.

Your mom didn’t raise you that way, she did a great job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:51:27pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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Making it a “mental health” issue is a cop out. We don’t want to admit that a person of sound capacities could do this. And the right in this country has never cared about the mentally ill except as a crunch to prevent sensible gun legislation.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:51:37pm

What is fucking me up tonight is that the simplest not-guns way to slow down this kind of violence AND the more common domestic murders that don’t get press when it’s just a wife/girlfriend/ex-wife/ex-girlfriend…would be to take intimate partner violence more fucking seriously.

But we’re not fucking doing that. Men that beat their kids get to keep their guns in case they need to defend their kids (you know, except for, against them).

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:52:19pm

as if US gun nuts aren’t rife enough, I’d bet with growing connection between NRA and Russia there will plenty of pro-gun bots now too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:52:22pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

I guess the guy at the GOP baseball practice wasn’t enough for the politicians.

Most normal people, when they find themselves shot at, would like to do something to prevent themselves from being shot at again. These people, on the other hand, are more concerned with preserving their power base than their own lives.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:52:24pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

“There’s a time to continue to have these conversations”
Says the Governor of an Open Carry and Stand Your Ground state.

What conversations are we having exactly?

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Scout  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:53:19pm

re: #62 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think Charlton Heston was eerily prescient when he said we would have to pry their guns from their cold, dead hands. As much as I hate to say it, it may actually come down to all of the rabid gun-fuckers dying out (through misadventure, old age, or some combination thereof) to get a chance to make a difference.

Sadly, there will always be younger ones to replace them.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:53:32pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

“Large bullets” isn’t really an issue in this kind of shooting.

The preferred weapon is an AR-15 variant, and that’s a .223 or a NATO 5.56x45mm cartridge. Comparatively small projectile that does damage because it destabilizes when it impacts something solid (like tissue or ballistic gel), causing more damage than a big shell that goes through-and-through.

It’s already up there, but I’d probably replace that last one now with semi-automatic. I still don’t think high caliber is needed by the average human, though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:54:23pm

re: #72 Scout

Sadly, there will always be younger ones to replace them.

If we can get some kind of education to pierce the haze of NRA bullshit, there’s a chance we can end the cycle. That’s what’s going to have to happen - time, and breaking the indoctrination. It’s definitely an uphill battle, as the NRA is one of the most powerful indoctrination forces on the planet.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:54:29pm

re: #63 ObserverArt

I guess the guy at the GOP baseball practice wasn’t enough for the politicians.

I also guess the dude here the other day that took out the two Westerville policemen wasn’t enough.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:54:41pm

re: #72 Scout

Sadly, there will always be younger ones to replace them.

Loesch.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:54:50pm

re: #69 Barefoot Grin

Oh yeah. It will be interesting to see how they use and amplify this.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:56:01pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

“Large bullets” isn’t really an issue in this kind of shooting.

The preferred weapon is an AR-15 variant, and that’s a .223 or a NATO 5.56x45mm cartridge. Comparatively small projectile that does damage because it destabilizes when it impacts something solid (like tissue or ballistic gel), causing more damage than a big shell that goes through-and-through.

If you kill a guy you take out 1 person, if you injure one person then you take out at least two (the victim and one to help him)

That is what I was taught?

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:56:10pm

re: #70 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Most normal people, when they find themselves shot at, would like to do something to prevent themselves from being shot at again. These people, on the other hand, are more concerned with preserving their power base than their own lives.

They are pretty sure they will likely never be shot st

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:57:36pm

A man shot 480 people in Vegas last fall. 58 of them died. All we got were thoughts and prayers from our far right overlords in D.C. And that’s all we ever get from these ghouls when something like this happens.

Hey, we’re one day closer to the heat death of the universe. One can hope…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:58:03pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Thing is, if we actually viewed unhealthy anger or precursor-to-violence behaviors as mental illness, there’d be a whole set of terminology and conditions to describe this. But there aren’t: being fucking crazy angry is not just normal, but celebrated. Especially among males.

Same again—we don’t really discuss lack of empathy as a trait beyond the label “sociopath” and “psychopath”…it’s salted into several personality disorders, but it’s just another symptom, not something we hone in on and, again, have a lot of language for.

“Mentally ill” is just another way of saying “it wasn’t one of us, we’re all fine, this isn’t something to reflect on.” Hence why it’s a fucking cop out among cop outs.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:58:21pm

re: #70 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Most normal people, when they find themselves shot at, would like to do something to prevent themselves from being shot at again. These people, on the other hand, are more concerned with preserving their power base than their own lives.

MOAR PRIVATE JET TRAVEL NEEDED

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:58:49pm

re: #72 Scout

Sadly, there will always be younger ones to replace them.

Exactly. There is no way to stop this unless every member of pro-gun organization is treated as a criminal and imprisoned. The members of these groups are as fanatic as their leaders.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:59:35pm

re: #18 bill d. (b.d.)

The world wide nuclear war drills I went through in elementary school seem so tame and innocent now.

Yeah, weren’t those great? Not bad for tornadoes, though.

But the thing about the nuke drills was you knew the nukes might never come, and if they did you were vapor, and there was nothing you could do about it either way. What’s different today is that kids know it’s all too possible some asshole will wade into their school building with an AR-15 and 30-round magazines hanging down to his butt, shooting whoever comes into his sights. And so the drills take on a grim reality as opposed to the nonsense of the nuke silliness.

Even if there were never another school shooting, the gun crazies should rot in hell for what they’ve done to little kids’ minds.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:00:08pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

Thing is, if we actually viewed unhealthy anger or precursor-to-violence behaviors as mental illness, there’d be a whole set of terminology and conditions to describe this. But there aren’t: being fucking crazy angry is not just normal, but celebrated. Especially among males.

Same again—we don’t really discuss lack of empathy as a trait beyond the label “sociopath” and “psychopath”…it’s salted into several personality disorders, but it’s just another symptom, not something we hone in on and, again, have a lot of language for.

“Mentally ill” is just another way of saying “it wasn’t one of us, we’re all fine, this isn’t something to reflect on.” Hence why it’s a fucking cop out among cop outs.

One of the reasons I’m for gun control is that when I lived in LA I got involved in a road rage incident with an outrageous asshole, and I’m absolutely convinced that he would have tried to shoot me if he had had a gun in his vehicle.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:00:22pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:00:47pm

re: #73 Belafon

It’s already up there, but I’d probably replace that last one now with semi-automatic. I still don’t think high caliber is needed by the average human, though.

And I’ve seen a few .223 in a wood stock and scope with an internal clip. Good varmint gun that can take a deer as well. If you can’t take prey with 4 or 5 shots, you’re doing it wrong.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:01:09pm

re: #20 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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re: #26 goddamnedfrank

I agree, whoever shot that shakey af video should be slapped.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:01:27pm

re: #84 whitebeach

Yeah, weren’t those great? Not bad for tornadoes, though.

But the thing about the nuke drills was you knew the nukes might never come, and if they did you were vapor, and there was nothing you could do about it either way. What’s different today is that kids know it’s all too possible some asshole will wade into their school building with an AR-15 and 30-round magazines hanging down to his butt, shooting whoever comes into his sights. And so the drills take on a grim reality as opposed to the nonsense of the nuke silliness.

Even if there were never another school shooting, the gun crazies should rot in hell for what they’ve done to little kids’ minds.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this kind of trauma leads more of these kids to become gun nuts when they grow up than would have otherwise been the case.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:01:31pm

re: #81 The Ghost of a Flea

“Mentally ill” is just another way of saying “it wasn’t one of us, we’re all fine, this isn’t something to reflect on.” Hence why it’s a fucking cop out among cop outs.

When was the last time we heard that a Muslim that did something horrible was “mentally ill”?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:01:57pm

re: #86 Belafon

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:02:18pm

re: #86 Belafon

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What a whiny brat. Owen not Wright whom is one of my favorite character actors.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:02:28pm

re: #91 JordanRules

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Rofl.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:02:32pm

I remember posting Twitter videos here the night the Vegas massacre went down, and I speculated that the perp or perps were using fully automatic high-powered rifles that are usually only military or law enforcement issued weapons. I was wrong. It was a fully legal modification for AR-15 rifles and its variants.

Gun laws in the U.S. are fucked up and bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:02:33pm

re: #84 whitebeach

Yeah, weren’t those great? Not bad for tornadoes, though.

Even if there were never another school shooting, the gun crazies should rot in hell for what they’ve done to little kids’ minds.

That part of your post in bold. I think that is called terrorism.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:04:16pm

re: #55 Patricia Kayden

How many people have to be sacrificed to appease the Gun God? When do we stop letting the NRA control gun laws? When does this madness stop?

It ends when Americans actually do something about it. As a nation, though, they don’t, because as a nation, they like it this way. We can say that 80% or 95% of Americans support more gun laws, but then they vote against them. And they vote for people who get rid of gun laws. And they vote out people who try to enact gun laws. I can only conclude that they actually prefer human sacrifice. Or perhaps they don’t, but are unable to help themselves when they are told to vote a certain way and must obey. In the end, it is a distinction without a difference.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:04:58pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:07:13pm

re: #91 JordanRules

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Speaking of Black Panther, Right Wing troll Ben Shapiro went on a racist batshit crazy rant about it.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:07:18pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Making it a “mental health” issue is a cop out. We don’t want to admit that a person of sound capacities could do this. And the right in this country has never cared about the mentally ill except as a crunch to prevent sensible gun legislation.

It is a cop out, but it’s very much a “why not both?” issue.

The #1 cause of gun deaths is male suicide via handgun. That’s a mental health issue. We need to address it.

But mass shootings…a shooter may be mentally ill (schizophrenia, bipolar) but from what I’ve seen mass shootings are people on the anti-social continuum. In other words, someone bipolar can also be a sociopath but those are two different things and do not necessarily travel together.

So we should be able to address mental health issues apart from guns as well as gun control independent of mental illness. Where they intersect the most is male suicide. Which has nothing to do with mass shootings.

Vested interest. I’m bipolar with delusional affect unless I am on some strong meds. If you met me in person you would never know. And for my own safety I do not EVER want a gun.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:07:42pm

Radical Right WIng Extremism?

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:08:28pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

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Dammit Charles…your you’re correcting a an writer author!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:08:45pm

re: #98 DodgerFan1988

Speaking of Black Panther, Right Wing troll Ben Shapiro went on a racist batshit crazy rant about it.

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Fuck Ben Shapiro, Milo wannabe.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:09:28pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

What a whiny brat. Owen not Wright whom is one of my favorite character actors.

It looks like Owen is a comedian who thought he was being funny.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:09:50pm

re: #100 bill d. (b.d.)

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Radical Right WIng Extremism?

Fetishised guns and gun “culture,”?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:09:56pm

re: #100 bill d. (b.d.)

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Radical Right WIng Extremism?

Funny how everything goes to hell once the religious conservatives take over, no matter what religion.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:10:23pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Dammit Charles…your you’re correcting a an writer author!

…apparently not

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:10:27pm

I own three guns, two rifles and a shotgun. No pistols. That’s a conscious decision I’ve made because of my depression. A pistol, to me, is an off switch for my life. It’s a very effective and quick way to end your own life.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:10:59pm

re: #98 DodgerFan1988

Speaking of Black Panther, Right Wing troll Ben Shapiro went on a racist batshit crazy rant about it.

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He’s a bitter asshole. Didn’t see him bitching about Inglorious Basterds which was awesome btw.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:11:30pm

re: #100 bill d. (b.d.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:11:46pm

re: #102 bill d. (b.d.)

Fuck Ben Shapiro, Milo wannabe.

He’s worse. Milo knows he’s an asshole. Benny tries to act like he has morals and decency.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:12:06pm

re: #98 DodgerFan1988

And I know his deranged ass is still gonna watch it.

Rent free all up in his fucked up dome!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:13:20pm

re: #99 BlueGrl21

It is a cop out, but it’s very much a “why not both?” issue.

The #1 cause of gun deaths is male suicide via handgun. That’s a mental health issue. We need to address it.

But mass shootings…a shooter may be mentally ill but from what I’ve seen mass shootings are people on the anti-social continuum. In other words, someone bipolar can also have an anti-social personality but those are two different things and do not necessarily travel together.

So we should be able to address mental health issues apart from guns as well as gun control independent of mental illness. Where they intersect the most is male suicide. Which has nothing to do with mass shootings.

Vested interest. I’m bipolar with delusional affect unless I am on some strong meds. If you met me in person you would never know. And for my own safety I do not EVER want a gun.

Oh I agree 100%. Btw Anxiety here. I have no desire ever to own a gun.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:15:16pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

You would think that the fact that Reagan was almost assassinated would have made an impact on Republicans’ attitude towards gun but no.

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ipsos  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:15:17pm

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:15:47pm

“The Pink Hoodie”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:15:54pm

re: #111 JordanRules

And I know his deranged ass is still gonna watch it.

Rent free all up in his fucked up dome!

Said it earlier but Shapiro always acts like he just ate a fart. He’s a miserable guy. Never seems to be happy unless belittling people he deems unworthy.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:04pm

re: #100 bill d. (b.d.)

Joseph Hickman

@JosephHickman0
In 1956 guns were easy to get, and the biggest problems in school was chewing gum and talking. What happened?

Fox News.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:09pm

re: #114 ipsos

{{{ipsos}}}

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:18pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

You would think that the fact that Reagan was almost assassinated would have made an impact on Republicans’ attitude towards gun but no.

Yeah you wo.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:52pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Oh I agree 100%. Btw Anxiety here. I have no desire ever to own a gun.

Years ago, I had a friend who told me that he never would have a gun because he had a bad temper (which I personally never observed) and was afraid that in a fit of rage he could kill someone.

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Scout  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:52pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

You would think that the fact that Reagan was almost assassinated would have made an impact on Republicans’ attitude towards gun but no.

It did, briefly. The Brady Bill.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:16:55pm

re: #114 ipsos

All we can do is fight. Most of the country supports better background checks.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:17:47pm

re: #120 Hecuba’s daughter

Years ago, I had a friend who told me that he never would have a gun because he had a bad temper (which I personally never observed) and was afraid that in a fit of rage he could kill someone.

It’s a legit worry. Personally I’d rather spend my dough on music and books.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:18:10pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

You would think that the fact that Reagan was almost assassinated would have made an impact on Republicans’ attitude towards gun but no.

Need more African Americans to carry guns to the fullest legal extent, that will make the GOP change the laws.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:18:12pm

re: #98 DodgerFan1988

Black Panther is about to be a box office smashing hit. Shapiro and other haters don’t matter. I’m looking forward to watching it on Friday.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:18:32pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

I own three guns, two rifles and a shotgun. No pistols. That’s a conscious decision I’ve made because of my depression. A pistol, to me, is an off switch for my life. It’s a very effective and quick way to end your own life.

Exactly. My bipolar and a handgun would never be a good combination.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:18:33pm

re: #124 bill d. (b.d.)

Need more African Americans to carry guns to the fullest legal extent, that will make the GOP change the laws.

That did it for Reagan himself.

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ipsos  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:19:40pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:20:44pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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> Warm salt water gargle about 1/2 doz times per day.
> A light scarf around your neck…even at night.
> No alcohol.
> At least 3 bowls chicken noodle soup from a good deli daily.
> Nasal rinse couple times daily.
> Drink lots of water.
> Hot water instead of coffee.
> No heavy meals.

The above works.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:20:55pm

re: #124 bill d. (b.d.)

I’d be afraid that it would lead to more African Americans being killed by the police.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:22:09pm
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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:22:26pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Oh I agree 100%. Btw Anxiety here. I have no desire ever to own a gun.

Yep. And what gets me is you, me, Teleskiguy, we are all responsible “gun owners.” We know what not to own.

Why is this so damn hard?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:22:37pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:22:44pm

re: #129 Semper Fi

> Warm salt water gargle about 1/2 doz times per day.
> A light scarf around your neck…even at night.
> No alcohol.
> At least 3 bowls chicken noodle soup from a good deli daily.
> Nasal rinse couple times daily.
> Drink lots of water.
> Hot water instead of coffee.
> No heavy meals.

The above works.

While alcohol may not work as well
The benefit is you won’t care

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:23:02pm

See I would point to a major cultural change in the US:

The point where guns stopping being tools and started being symbols. The point where “self defense” began to expand into an existential concept as opposed to a practical one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:23:07pm

I’m amused by other white people accusing the movie of having an agenda or saying they can’t relate to the characters but then get pissy at minorities whether racial l, sexual, etc wanting more representation. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, all white guys like me. Hell Superman is even a dark haired, blue eyed guy like me. I can relate to characters different than me racially or sexually.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:23:46pm

re: #132 BlueGrl21

Yep. And what gets me is you, me, Teleskiguy, we are all responsible “gun owners.” We know what not to own.

Why is this so damn hard?

Because we see guns as what they are and what they aren’t.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:24:03pm

Needed to get my mind off of serious things

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:25:28pm

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

See I would point to a major cultural change in the US:

The point where guns stopping being tools and started being symbols. The point where “self defense” began to expand into an existential concept as opposed to a practical one.

I wanted to skirt around the real issue, which is that guns became more important when beatings and lynchings no longer scared black people.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:25:56pm

OK loser, what if they look and find out that he was following you and all of your kind?

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:25:57pm

re: #128 ipsos

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The United States has a gun problem.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:27:29pm

re: #139 Belafon

!!!!!!!!!!

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:29:52pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Black Panther is about to be a box office smashing hit. Shapiro and other haters don’t matter. I’m looking forward to watching it on Friday.

A friend and I are both panting to see it but decided to wait until after the weekend to avoid some of what we anticipate to be a packed in theater. Also the kiddie crowd.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:31:14pm

As usual, I’ll have to wait for Blu-Ray release.
Though I do have a 4k tv and surround sound.
So…
No loss.
XD

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:31:57pm

re: #129 Semper Fi

> Warm salt water gargle about 1/2 doz times per day.
> A light scarf around your neck…even at night.
> No alcohol.
> At least 3 bowls chicken noodle soup from a good deli daily.
> Nasal rinse couple times daily.
> Drink lots of water.
> Hot water instead of coffee.
> No heavy meals.

The above works.

NO alcohol? NO coffee? Surely you jest.

///

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:33:38pm

Screw it, I moved it to a tweet:

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:34:09pm

re: #99 BlueGrl21

It is a cop out, but it’s very much a “why not both?” issue.

The #1 cause of gun deaths is male suicide via handgun. That’s a mental health issue. We need to address it.

Your whole post, which I’ve only excerpted here, is very, very insightful. But I can’t agree that male suicide via firearm is necessarily a mental health issue. A couple of years ago a near neighbor went out on his back deck and watched the sunrise and then blew himself away with a shotgun. But he was an old guy, older than me, who had lived a rich and pleasurable and rewarding life in places far from our little corner of nowhere. And he had received an unquestionable and soon-to-be-painfully-fatal cancer diagnosis. His life had been lived and was done, as far as he was concerned. I see no mental health issue here, and he’s far from the only such case.

OTOH, I knew a fairly young guy (early forties) with a wife and a couple of kids and no known health problems, who got up from watching TV with the family and went into the bedroom and fired a .357 magnum through his skull. Nobody knows why, and that’s probably the kind of thing you’re talking about.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:36:30pm

Earlier I posted about my mom’s passing the day after Valentine’s Day. Tonight I noticed this shadow from my mom’s ivy:

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:37:11pm

Have the NRA clowns gotten to the semantics stage of the proceeding where no discussion can be had because someone said clip instead of magazine?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:37:21pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:37:22pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Double dosage of Theraflu (or whatever generic facsimile you prefer) followed immediately by a triple Beam & Coke and a large glass of water.

Set alarm for 3 hours, go to bed.

Get up at when alarm goes off, go pee.

Return to bed until morning

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:38:27pm

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

See I would point to a major cultural change in the US:

The point where guns stopping being tools and started being symbols. The point where “self defense” began to expand into an existential concept as opposed to a practical one.

Dude, you have been so on point tonight. Excellent series of posts in this thread.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:39:35pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:40:40pm

re: #153 Kragar

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Excuse me, do you have a minute to discuss our Lord and Savior, Charlton Heston?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:43:13pm

re: #153 Kragar

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Dear NRA,
My neighbor has been amassing guns, talking about shooting up the mall. He says it’s because you’ve told him how the government is going to take away his guns? What should I do?
Signed, Concerned

Dear Concerned,
Might I suggest a few more guns for you, so you can be ready to shoot it out with him when it looks like he’s going to head to the mall?
Thanks, NRA

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:44:08pm

WTFITS?

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:45:20pm

I see Trump’s gone into hiding, with no public appearances tomorrow after the WH cancelled the press briefing today.

Making an early start for the golf course perhaps?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:45:34pm

re: #156 MsJ

WTFITS?

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The last, dangerous grasp, of conservative white people at maintaining authoritarian control.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:46:18pm

re: #158 Belafon

The last, dangerous grasp, of conservative white people at maintaining authoritarian control.

They see the handwriting on the wall, and they are trying their damnedest not to be up against it when the revolution comes.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:46:34pm

re: #156 MsJ

WTFITS?

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This is “Missing a bullet” (no ref. to today). Wingnuts have been quietly working towards this. Abbott was part of it.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:47:54pm

re: #156 MsJ

Think this is the biggest story that the media is ignoring.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:51:27pm

re: #148 Flying Squirrel Girl

More about the ivy (because my heart was already aching from the memory of her loss, and I just can’t even about today’s tragedy, at least not right now): she had this ivy plant for at least 15 years before she died, and she’s been gone for 19 years now. When I moved to Costa Rica I gave it to my mother in law and she cared for it for 5 years and gave it back to me when I moved back 5 years later. Tonight the heart shaped shadow was like my mom waving hi to me. And never more needed than on a night like tonight.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:52:12pm

re: #147 whitebeach

In private more because it’s a frank discussion of suicide than personal:

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:54:35pm

re: #155 Belafon

Dear NRA,
My neighbor has been amassing guns, talking about shooting up the mall. He says it’s because you’ve told him how the government is going to take away his guns? What should I do?
Signed, Concerned

Dear Concerned,
Might I suggest a few more guns for you, so you can be ready to shoot it out with him when it looks like he’s going to head to the mall?
Thanks, NRA

ALL their solutions are for after the shooting starts

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:55:36pm

re: #163 The Ghost of a Flea

I love you, man. Thanks for being you and being an excellent writer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:55:41pm

re: #143 allegro

A friend and I are both panting to see it but decided to wait until after the weekend to avoid some of what we anticipate to be a packed in theater. Also the kiddie crowd.

Packed — and if you go, better get the tickets a day ahead. In fact, given how popular it’s going to be, you may want to try in the middle of the week if possible

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:57:45pm

Gov Scott:. “An act of pure evil”

…but we can’t talk about it now

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:58:01pm

re: #131 JordanRules

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Democrats need to make these statement on the floor of Congress. Funny how Republicans demonized ACORN but are okay with the NRA.

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calochortus  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:58:03pm

re: #163 The Ghost of a Flea

In private more because it’s a frank discussion of suicide than personal:

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:58:41pm
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calochortus  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:59:33pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

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Well. That’s an elegantly reasoned response.
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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:59:38pm

re: #163 The Ghost of a Flea

In private more because it’s a frank discussion of suicide than personal:

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:00:04pm

re: #157 Skip Intro

That’s okay. He has no words of comfort for a grieving nation. He’s not President Obama. He only cares about his supporters who probably care little about making any changes to avoid mass shootings.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:00:10pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

But what kind of impaired mind?

This is why they’re fucking full of shit. Never do the natural follow-up to their assertion.

“Mentally ill” just means “witch.”

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:00:11pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:03:27pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:03:55pm

So who will be the first Republican to offer an AK-47 as a prize to a lucky campaign supporter?

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:04:04pm

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

Packed — and if you go, better get the tickets a day ahead. In fact, given how popular it’s going to be, you may want to try in the middle of the week if possible

That’s what we’re going to do. She’s a nurse (works 4 10s) so she gets a weekday off. We’re going to do like the 5pm show at the cinema grill for drinks, dinner, and going all cougar over the hot guys enjoying the movie.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:04:22pm

Twitter has now suspended the @Breaking911 account Lucian Wintrich cited for his bogus post!

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:05:28pm

re: #176 JordanRules

A Vox Day and Mike Cernovich reader?*

*This is blind fucking speculation, folks.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:05:40pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:06:26pm

re: #167 dangerman

Gov Scott:. “An act of pure evil”

…but we can’t talk about it now

Says the criminal governor who stole 100’s of millions of dollars from Medicare.

And gun control would never help. MOAR GUNS!! //

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:06:48pm

More than a million Americans have died by gunshot since Wayne LaPierre went to work for the NRA in 1977. The guy is getting into Third Reich territory.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:06:59pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:07:09pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:07:54pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

The best response to this idiot’s blatherings is unfortunately no longer on twitter, but it was screenshotted at the time for posterity:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:08:43pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

More than a million Americans have died by gunshot since Wayne LaPierre went to work for the NRA in 1977. The guy is getting into Third Reich territory.

But remember, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. People driving cars kill people. People wielding knives kill people. Ignore the fact that the number of people killed by using cars as weapons or knives as weapons pales in comparison to the number of people killed using guns as weapons, YOU MUST BOW BEFORE THE ALMIGHTY SECOND AMENDMENT.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:09:50pm

re: #176 JordanRules

…and there’s the intimate partner violence.

There’s no mystery. “Motive” is not some kind of elusive night-blooming flower.

It’s always an entitled shit who thinks other people have to die so he—emphasis HE—can feel important and strong. And it doesn’t get caught because there’s such a festering mass of dumbass culture that covers up this kind of sickness.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:11:05pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

More than a million Americans have died by gunshot since Wayne LaPierre went to work for the NRA in 1977. The guy is getting into Third Reich territory.

And this is way before Fox News. It’s Wayne LaPierre who is behind the radicalization of the NRA — not Fox or the usual culprits.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:13:00pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:13:37pm

re: #190 JordanRules

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Oh, she shouldn’t have posted that. The ghouls will be out in force.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:14:03pm

re: #189 Hecuba’s daughter

And this is way before Fox News. It’s Wayne LaPierre who is behind the radicalization of the NRA — not Fox or the usual culprits.

You’re right. My husband had been a long time NRA member until, IIRC, mid-80s or so when he went NOPE, no more.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:14:30pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:18:29pm

re: #188 The Ghost of a Flea

Your posts are reminding me of this article I recently read, sadly even more relevant now:

Why We’re Underestimating American Collapse

Let me give you just five examples of what I’ll call the social pathologies of collapse — strange, weird, and gruesome new diseases, not just ones we don’t usually see in healthy societies, but ones that we have never really seen before in any modern society.

America has had 11 school shootings in the last 23 days. That’s one every other day, more or less. That statistic is alarming enough — but it is just a number. Perspective asks us for comparison. So let me put that another way. America has had 11 school shootings in the last 23 days, which is more than anywhere else in the world, even Afghanistan or Iraq. In fact, the phenomenon of regular school shootings appears to be a unique feature of American collapse — it just doesn’t happen in any other country — and that is what I mean by “social pathologies of collapse”: a new, bizarre, terrible disease striking society.

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ckkatz  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:21:42pm

re: #78 bill d. (b.d.)

If you kill a guy you take out 1 person, if you injure one person then you take out at least two (the victim and one to help him)

That is what I was taught?

That was what I was also told regarding the current standard military pistol cartridge, the 9mm Parabellum. That it was designed by the Germans at the beginning of the 20th Century to wound rather than kill.

This would supposedly cause more people to become ineffective because they would have to have multiple haul out the wounded. Instead armies just banned evacuation of the wounded by combat soldiers. Another rosy military prediction that was wrong.

Interestingly, development of the past 30 -40 years had made that cartridge more lethal. Humans are really good at figuring out how to hurt other humans.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:22:08pm

Has anyone mentioned yet that this was the worst school shooting so far, two more dead than at than Columbine which included the shooters.

Is it still too soon to talk about that shooting?

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:26:04pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:26:09pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:27:07pm

Dana Loesch has spent her day attacking Elizabeth Warren.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:27:08pm

re: #194 Kragar

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:27:49pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:28:08pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

Has anyone mentioned yet that this was the worst school shooting so far, two more dead at than Columbine which included the shooters.

Worst high school* shooting. Virginia Tech (worst shooting at a college campus) had a death toll of 32, and Sandy Hook (worst shooting at an elementary school) had 27.

*Yes, that’s right. The US has so many widespread, sundry shootings that we have to have sub-classifications of classifications now.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:29:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:29:49pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

Has anyone mentioned yet that this was the worst school shooting so far, two more dead than at than Columbine which included the shooters.

Is it still too soon to talk about that shooting?

Every shooting has two stages:
1. It’s too early to talk about it
2. It’s too late to discuss it. We’ve moved beyond it.

The GOP doesn’t care and certainly Trump doesn’t care.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:31:02pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

My error. Thanks for the correction.

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The Major  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:31:55pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:33:22pm

No. They never bought into it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:34:17pm

re: #207 The Major

I really hate this prick and am ashamed he’s also from IL.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:34:56pm

re: #208 JordanRules

If conservatives won’t accept losing a democratic vote, they were never interested in participating in democracy.

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ckkatz  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:36:43pm

re: #57 stpaulbear

Why do you need so much ammo at one time? What are you expecting?

In terms of numbers of rounds. From what I have seen…

If one wants to acquire professional shooting level skills, one can easily target shoot 10k to 20k rounds a year. (At $0.10 to $0.25 a round.)

No I do not and never have shot professionally. My eyesight is not good enough.

Combat loads for a light infantry (on foot) rifleman were generally in the 300 round range when I was in the Army. Mostly because of the other crap that they had to carry around.

As a civilian, if I was in a real gun battle, I suspect that I would either survive or die within the first 10 shots.

On the other hand, I know folks who during the Obama Administration bought, literally, pallet loads of ammunition. Some were panicking. Others thought that they were very cleverly speculating. Ammunition prices have fallen and availability has massively increased since the first panic buying.

Many of those folks, were never, in my estimation likely to ever shoot anywhere near that amount of ammunition in their lifetime. And when they pass away, their children and widows will have to deal with a huge amount of hazardous waste.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:37:20pm

re: #210 jaunte

If conservatives won’t accept losing a democratic vote, they were never interested in participating in democracy.

They already control everything and show nothing but contempt for democracy. So how would we know the difference?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:37:36pm

When my niece started high school 2 years ago, one of her first assignments was to devise an escape plan in the event of an active shooter in the school. I don’t have kids; if I did I don’t know how I’d send them out into the world every day.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:38:47pm

re: #208 JordanRules

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:39:49pm

re: #214 Kragar

Fuck David Frum and his “why did you make the conservatives do that?” framing.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:41:24pm
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The Major  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:41:31pm

re: #214 Kragar

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:42:22pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:42:37pm

re: #215 The Ghost of a Flea

Fuck David Frum and his “why did you make the conservatives do that?” framing.

He might as well be saying that men who are shut out of sex with women will resort to rape, so put out now if you know what’s good for you e_e

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:44:40pm

There needs to be a mob that overruns the NRA headquarters. Nothing is going to change unless that happens.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:44:48pm

re: #21 Jay C

Interesting that a classmate of Nikolas Cruz’s makes the point that he didn’t fit in at Douglas High - anywhere: according to reports, that school has 3200 students: I know it’s easy for loners and oddballs to fade into the background at big institutions, but SRSLY? At a HS of 3200 kids, he couldn’t find at least one clique??

BTW, does “Nicolas de Jesus Cruz” - whoever and wherever he might be - have any sort of legal recourse against the Gateway Pinheads for doxxing him like this? I’m guessing (unfortunately) not - but don;t know the law that well.

You bet he does; he’s not a public figure, and they published with reckless disregard for the truth.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:45:53pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:45:56pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

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I would suggest that tamiflu might be a better choice.

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LadyBehir  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:49:59pm

So an acquaintance posted a pic that “Red White Blue News” has up supposedly of Cruz in an Antifa shirt and that he follows Syrian Resistance (whatever that is) and other such bullcrap. How can I refute this with sources?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:50:17pm

Uggghhh.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:50:21pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

I have to nitpick this …

I can’t develop an image filtering system, and I consider myself a decent developer.

Twitter has the resources to make it, and quite possibly they already have one they can adapt.

My point is, it’s possible, especially for Twitter, but it’s not trivial.

(Sorry, this is a fight I have to constantly have in my line of work. “Oh, I bet that’s easy for you” the users say when they say the darnest things.)

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:51:35pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

BUTBUTBUT WHAT IF WE WANT TO GO OUT AND SHOOT A WHOLE FIELD FULL OF RABBITS TO MAKE RABBIT STEW FOR ALL OF OUR EXTENDED RELATIVES AND WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR?!?!?!?!?

I don’t know why, but that just reminded me of this scene (from one of the greatest political movies of all time):

The Distinguished Gentleman - Duck Hunt Scene

“Must have had a heart attack”

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:54:08pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Airborne. It has helped me stave some off!

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ckkatz  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:54:16pm

re: #208 JordanRules

I agree with the posters here that see a huge streak of authoritarianism in the pre-Trump Republican Party. Its response to becoming a minority party during the Obama years was to try ruthlessness in order to maintain power.

And I do find many of Frum’s policy goals detestable.

I think (and hope) that there is some additional context to what Frum (who is a Never-Trumper) is saying. I think that he is arguing to the anti-trumpers that they should fight the Trumpkins and take back the Republican Party rather than totally abandon it.

Personally, I hope that they get crushed in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024. That is the only chance to fix the damage that has been caused in the past two years.

And yes, once one makes a deal with the devil for one’s soul, one cannot ask for a refund.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:55:10pm

re: #225 JordanRules

Uggghhh.

It certainly sets up a dangerous precedent, but not in the way he might think …

What the heck is Anglo-American? I understand perfectly well Irish-American, Italian-American, British-American, but Anglo? I’m sorry, that’s an air raid size dog whistle.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:56:22pm

re: #224 LadyBehir

This may be a good place to start.

“Here Are The Hoaxes Already Going Around About The Florida School Shooting”
buzzfeed.com

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:56:22pm

re: #225 JordanRules

I didn’t think much of it, beyond making a sheriff of Nottingham joke. Our legal system is derived from the English common law and Anglo-American is a term I’ve heard before in the deep study of law and jurisprudence. The problem wasn’t the Anglo-American bit, it was the dog whistle to sovereign citizen types who see the office of sheriff as the only legit law enforcement agency

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:57:28pm

re: #224 LadyBehir

So an acquaintance posted a pic that “Red White Blue News” has up supposedly of Cruz in an Antifa shirt and that he follows Syrian Resistance (whatever that is) and other such bullcrap. How can I refute this with sources?

“Fake news”

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austin_blue  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:59:17pm

re: #171 calochortus

Well. That’s an elegantly reasoned response.
/

Thank you, Gabby Johnson, for that authentic frontier gibberish.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:59:27pm

re: #229 ckkatz

Personally, I hope that they get crushed in 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024.

And wherever the Guinness world record for counting by twos goes from there.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:00:16pm

re: #232 KGxvi

Yes, of course the context and pusher are in play. With JBeau I don’t assume deep study about much of anything.

That dog whistle was loud as shit to my ears.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:00:28pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:01:45pm
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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:08:20pm

re: #236 JordanRules

Yes, of course the context and pusher are in play. With JBeau I don’t assume deep study about much of anything.

That dog whistle was loud as shit to my ears.

Sessions was once nominated to the bench. And he’s been a big player in the judicial nomination process in the senate. I wouldn’t be surprised if he understands jurisprudence and legal traditions better than most. I also wouldn’t be surprised if my views were drastically different than his

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:08:53pm

re: #228 retired cynic

Airborne. It has helped me stave some off!

Yes, I think Charles may still be able to catch it with Airborne if he’s just getting the tickle. Timing is everything with that.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:10:15pm
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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:14:27pm

re: #230 Sea Mexican!

What the heck is Anglo-American? I understand perfectly well Irish-American, Italian-American, British-American, but Anglo?

It’s pretty much bullshit, like so much racialist stuff is. Even the English aren’t particularly Anglo. Although the name “England” and the name of the English language come from the Angles, they were just one of countless groups who had their moment in the fog and rain and then were overrun and bred into other groups over the centuries. “Anglo” is damn near as meaningless as “Aryan.”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:14:53pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:15:06pm

re: #239 KGxvi

Yeah, I can see that and see how the dog whistle was designed more for the Buckleys and not the Bannons.

Don’t you kinda figure JBeau feels he’s a bit above the deplorables?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:16:50pm

re: #30 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In all seriousness, “large bullets” have their uses; if you are okay with the idea of hunting animals, there are some animals that need some pretty big firepower. Even here in the US, hunting bears or moose takes a rifle with serious energy. Outside of that, though, I completely agree with the idea of restrictions on magazine sizes and making them hard to modify.

AR15 rifles fire a .223 bullet (5.56x45mm), which is actually pretty small for rifles. Meant to kill people, not deer.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:19:20pm
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LadyBehir  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:20:55pm

re: #231 JordanRules

This may be a good place to start.

“Here Are The Hoaxes Already Going Around About The Florida School Shooting”
buzzfeed.com

Thank you! The picture in question was debunked in the article you shared.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:22:29pm

re: #247 LadyBehir

Excellent!

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:24:41pm

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:26:31pm

re: #249 jaunte

The text messages shared between students and their loved ones today broke me all the way down.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:27:20pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

well, yeah.

Tequila is how it’s done.

If your blood alcohol level reaches disinfectant levels, it kills the germs.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:30:03pm

re: #240 JordanRules

Yes, I think Charles may still be able to catch it with Airborne if he’s just getting the tickle. Timing is everything with that.

Airborne is just an expensive multi-vitamin with slick marketing. Marketing which has forced them settle false advertising claims in an FTC class action suit, because they made false claims about it’s efficacy in preventing or combating germs, the common cold, and flu.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:31:07pm

fox8.com

Florida AG says the state will pay for the funerals of the teachers and students killed today.

Florida feeling complicit?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:32:08pm

re: #252 danarchy

I know I’m on my chicken soup shit danarchy. LOL

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:33:49pm

re: #207 The Major

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:34:03pm

re: #254 JordanRules

I know I’m on my chicken soup shit danarchy. LOL

Chicken soup can cure anything. Or at least make you feel a little better while you are eating it.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:35:14pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

fox8.com

Florida AG says the state will pay for the funerals of the teachers and students killed today.

Florida feeling complicit?

We care about this issue and we aren’t going to just offer our thoughts and prayers and walk away! You can count on us! We’ll pay for your children’t funerals so you don’t have to worry about the financial burden!

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:35:32pm

The Ballad Of Naked Man

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:35:45pm

re: #208 JordanRules

They didn’t seem all that concerned if they push out Democrats.
Actually, though, David, they will learn a bit of humility. Kind of like being in the desert for so many years.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:35:50pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

fox8.com

Florida AG says the state will pay for the funerals of the teachers and students killed today.

Florida feeling complicit?

That’s mighty white of them. Now, what’s happening with the medical expenses of those fortunate enough to have survived? My guess is the state isn’t looking to pick up that bill.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:35:58pm

re: #255 Belafon

Deadbeat Dad says what about respect?

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ckkatz  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:36:24pm

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

AR15 rifles fire a .223 bullet (5.56x45mm), which is actually pretty small for rifles. Meant to kill people, not deer.

That is my understanding too.

Iirc, in Pennsylvania in the 1960’s and 1970’s .223 was banned from deer hunting as it was considered too light a bullet to humanely kill a deer. And up through WW2 it was considered insufficiently effective on an adult male human targets.

I suspect that the high death rate in school shootings is due to two factors. First, children are generally much smaller than adult males so such bullets do more damage. Second, it is easy to shoot a defenseless innocent person multiple times.

To me, AR style weapons are designed for hunting armed humans who shoot back.

Sigh, humans are amazingly good at figuring out ways of hurting other humans. :(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:37:20pm

Think about this: It’s been almost TWENTY fucking years since Columbine and we’ve had hundreds, probably thousands of bodies pile up since then with no action by politicians to do anything about it.

How many bodies have to drop before something changes?

How long do we have to wait?

Another 20 years? 50? 100?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:38:04pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:38:06pm

re: #255 Belafon

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:39:20pm

re: #251 sagehen

well, yeah.

Tequila is how it’s done.

If your blood alcohol level reaches disinfectant levels, it kills the germs.

Southern Comfort is my go-to even though I don’t normally like it. It’s hundred proof for quick relief and is honey-easy on the throat. It will also give you a hangover that will make your cold feel like a minor matter, and will force you to drink quarts of water the next day. With which you should take DayQuil, and when that dries your sinuses painfully (again masking the cold) you will again drink more water.

Repeat treatment the following night as needed.

For what it’s worth, Southern Comfort was reputedly Janis Joplin’s favorite booze, but I was blessed to spend some considerable hours drinking with her and never saw the stuff.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:39:55pm

re: #252 danarchy

Airborne is just an expensive multi-vitamin with slick marketing. Marketing which has forced them settle false advertising claims in an FTC class action suit, because they made false claims about it’s efficacy in preventing or combating germs, the common cold, and flu.

I have been exposed, started feeling the tickle. That has always led to me getting really sick. At least once a year. With the flu shot. Started Airborne at first sign a few years back, and have not had one of those since. I keep it on my shelf, and you aren’t going to change my mind. I probable won’t change yours either, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:40:01pm
A former student opened fire at a Florida high school Wednesday, killing at least 17 people and sending scores of students fleeing into the streets in the nation’s deadliest school shooting since a gunman attacked an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

The shooter, who was equipped with a gas mask and smoke grenades, set off a fire alarm to draw students out of classrooms shortly before the day ended at one of the state’s largest schools, officials said.

(more)

fox8.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:41:38pm

What really galls me is how these gun humpers ignore the WELL REGULATED MILITIA part of the Amendment.

That shit is already CODIIFIED INTO U.S. LAW and yet it may as well not exist.

WELL REGULATED, motherfuckers, WELL REGULATED. That should mean something.

I can’t even with this shit today.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:42:24pm

re: #266 whitebeach

… For what it’s worth, Southern Comfort was reputedly Janis Joplin’s favorite booze, but I was blessed to spend some considerable hours drinking with her and never saw the stuff.

Do tell!

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:42:39pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

And he likely participated in their lock down drills, knowing how it was going to go down.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:43:28pm

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

(more)

fox8.com

I would upding you for giving us these details, mouse my friend, but I have to go vomit.

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austin_blue  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:45:57pm

Micheala Gold!

Good news on awful day.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:48:32pm

I’ve skied and trained on the same slopes this gal has skied and trained on. I can confidently say I’m a better freeheel skier than her. Heh!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:51:02pm

The folks who want “concealed carry reciprocity?” That would mean Utah’s law would be the loosest, since Utah allows people from anywhere to apply for a license … just a fee for fingerprinting.

That is what the NRA is pushing.

bci.utah.gov

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:51:36pm

re: #274 teleskiguy

That said, Mikaela is a much better skier than me.

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ckkatz  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:59:03pm

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

The folks who want “concealed carry reciprocity?” That would mean Utah’s law would be the loosest, since Utah allows people from anywhere to apply for a license … just a fee for fingerprinting.

That is what the NRA is pushing.

bci.utah.gov

Some years ago, there was a game in the concealed carry world to “collect” as many states as one could. Basically get rights to conceal carry in as many states as possible.

One would get a concealed carry in one’s home state. And then qualify for as many non-resident state licenses as one could conveniently and reasonably afford. Since different states recognize different sets of other state’s licenses, one could sometimes get recipricol carry in 20 or more states.

At one time Florida non-resident license was big in Virginia for that reason. Don’t know who it is these days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 9:59:56pm

re: #269 Eclectic Cyborg

What really galls me is how these gun humpers ignore the WELL REGULATED MILITIA part of the Amendment.

That shit is already CODIIFIED INTO U.S. LAW and yet it may as well not exist.

WELL REGULATED, motherfuckers, WELL REGULATED. That should mean something.

I can’t even with this shit today.

Well regulated means nothing due to the Republican Supreme Court 5-4 decision in 2008. If Garland had been seated, this country would have a chance — but Gorsuch — there is no hope.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 10:08:21pm

re: #270 retired cynic

Do tell!

Briefly, we shared a favorite bar, the Coffee Gallery in North Beach, where we met and would knock back a few, or more than a few, together now and then. And we tended to bump into each other at parties of mutual friends/acquaintances, where we also knocked back various quantities together. We had of course recognized each other as rebel outsider outcast rednecks with brains. She was a good ole girl whose brake linings had unfortunately burned out a few hundred miles back. But Christ what a heart and what a talent.

I’ve talked about the night she died elsewhere on LGF, a night I’d spent at a Dead/Jefferson concert at Winterland. I wan’t to make it clear that we were occasional drinking buddies, not lovers. I used to joke that I was probably the only straight guy in San Francisco who hadn’t slept with either Janis or with Grace Slick, but then I realized how stupidly churlish the joke was, not to mention that I had obviously missed something on both counts.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 10:17:31pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

fox8.com

Florida AG says the state will pay for the funerals of the teachers and students killed today.

Florida feeling complicit?

How about the medical bills of the injured?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:43:51am

Well, it seems there are about four degrees of separation between me and Meghan McArdle. Thus, on Facebook, I was privy to some backstory of McArdle. It seems she is a female version of the disaffected, awkward upper-middle-class youth represented by such luminaries as Rage Furby and Ben Shapiro. She was isolated and scorned in high school, as a former classmate/campmate tells it — awkward, overweight, and bullied “like Piggy in Lord of the Flies.”

Then she discovered her true calling, shilling for the Koch Brothers.

amp.pastemagazine.com

I’m not a psychologist or a sociologist, but there seems to be a strong correlation between having horrible peer relationships as a teenager and later growing up to be a conservatarian.

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SpikeDad  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:48:26am

re: #45 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

The time sadly won’t be until one of his family is shot. I hope that never happens but it seems to be a failing of Republicans that unless their own skin is in the game they don’t care.

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SpikeDad  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:50:40am

re: #265 jaunte

[Embedded content]

We punish people that require narcotics for chronic pain by restricting the dispensing of those medications because people abuse them. No one seems to have any problem with that.

I guess you’re not a real man if you have to take Vicoden but you are if you want to buy 2000 round of high powered ammo and 50 cartridge magazines.


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