The Bob Cesca Show: Spray Like a Hose

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Spray Like A Hose: NSFW; Jacki Schechner is here from InvestigateRussia.org; The school massacre in Parkland, Florida; The AR15 strikes again; Republican complicity; Trump blames the students; Trump’s tacit approval of spousal abuse and white supremacy; Trump repealed the Obama Rule; Alex Jones can feel free to kill himself; House Oversight Committee to investigate Rob Porter scandal; 130 White House staffers without security clearances; Michael Cohen says he paid Stormy Daniels with his own money; and much more.

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267 comments
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:26:49pm

Everyone is disappointing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:30:45pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

Everyone is disappointing.

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It’s just how did we get to the point where Nazism was an acceptable ideology. I can agree to disagree with many people but Nazis? Nope.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:31:19pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

It’s just how did we get to the point where Nazism was an acceptable ideology. I can agree to disagree with many people but Nazis? Nope.

Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:35:04pm

re: #3 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States.

Yep. Meanwhile I have to deal with smug right wing assholes telling me I want Chavezism or Juche because I don’t worship capitalism. Hell tbh I ain’t even sure I want Nordic style economics.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:36:00pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

It’s just how did we get to the point where Nazism was an acceptable ideology. I can agree to disagree with many people but Nazis? Nope.

Happy this is the end result of the 1971 Powell Memorandum which outlined how the New Right came to power.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:36:39pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy this is the end result of the 1971 Powell Memorandum which outlined how the New Right came to power.

I need to read more about that thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:38:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:44:06pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:46:26pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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BREAKING NEWS: Norm Ornstein has been fired from the American Enterprise Institute for the heinous crime of “non-groupthink”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:48:00pm

This idea that if only staff were armed. It’s just so fundamentally stupid and short sighted.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:48:03pm

This cold is kicking my ass. Feel like refried weasel poop.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:48:38pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

This idea that if only staff were armed. It’s just so fundamentally stupid and short sighted.

If staff were armed, they would become targets, and the body count would increase. Having a gun does nothing if you are taken unawares.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:50:27pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If staff were armed, they would become targets, and the body count would increase. Having a gun does nothing if you are taken unawares.

It would create chaos for the authorities not to mention people inside. They’re supposed to be educators not soldiers.

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:52:35pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If staff were armed, they would become targets, and the body count would increase. Having a gun does nothing if you are taken unawares.

Every year, cops are killed going in to domestic violence situation where they know or have reason to know someone may be armed.

It doesn’t help. Guns aren’t a magic talisman. They don’t imbue a person with invulnerability.

An asshat with a gun can get a drop on the most experienced and talented marksman.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:54:19pm

I see that Paul Ryan has declared that it’s too soon to talk about guns.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:54:58pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

This cold is kicking my ass. Feel like refried weasel poop.

Poop Poop goes the Weasel cause the Weasel goes poop…

3rd Bass “Pop Goes The Weasel”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:55:25pm

re: #14 lawhawk

Every year, cops are killed going in to domestic violence situation where they know or have reason to know someone may be armed.

It doesn’t help. Guns aren’t a magic talisman. They don’t imbue a person with invulnerability.

An asshat with a gun can get a drop on the most experienced and talented marksman.

Exactly. And I’m sorry but have any of these people been in a classroom? It’s a pita to get a backpack in but a gun?!? Seriously we don’t need more guns at all.

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scottslemmons  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:55:38pm

re: #12 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If staff were armed, they would become targets, and the body count would increase. Having a gun does nothing if you are taken unawares.

Now come on, we all know life works exactly like it does in the movies.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:55:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:55:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:56:03pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

I see that Paul Ryan has declared that it’s too soon to talk about guns.

Well that settles it. I’ll shut up now. Mocking Ryan not you obviously.

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:56:15pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy this is the end result of the 1971 Powell Memorandum which outlined how the New Right came to power.

Would that the Port Huron Statement had won out instead. It was hardly perfect but it would still be a better world.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:56:47pm
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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:57:14pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:57:28pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

3rd Bass, LOL. I rememeber them!

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:59:15pm

Meanwhile, racist idiots are still upset black people are enjoying a movie.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:59:17pm

And the Russian bots are flooding Twitter with pro gun posts, which Fox will use in its programming for the next week.

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:00:04pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

Israelis who have guns are required to pass stringent tests; that’s on top of the compulsory military service that most Israelis end up doing (why not all Israelis is a subject for a completely different and longer post).

Huckabee doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

If we were to apply Israel’s gun ownership standards here, there’d be howling like no one would believe.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:01:22pm

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:02:00pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Decent people are going to have to shut down Fox News by boycotting all of their advertisers. Fox is every bit as evil as the NRA.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:02:06pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:02:15pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:04:06pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:04:11pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Only if you put gun hoarding before country like your ideological ancestors did slavery.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:06:24pm

re: #33 Belafon

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The strongest, bravest armed man is no match for an evil wolf with a gun, either. Guns don’t miraculously make you safe. If you survive an encounter with an armed gunman, it is almost completely down to luck, not skill or fortitude or courage. He missed, you (or the police) didn’t, end of story. A gun is more of a near-automatic death sentence than a near-automatic wall of invulnerability.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:07:12pm

There’s no longer any doubt in my mind that this country is going to have another civil war. If it’s to be over guns, so be it.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:08:37pm

re: #35 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The strongest, bravest armed man is no match for an evil wolf with a gun, either. Guns don’t miraculously make you safe. If you survive an encounter with an armed gunman, it is almost completely down to luck, not skill or fortitude or courage. He missed, you (or the police) didn’t, end of story. A gun is more of a near-automatic death sentence than a near-automatic wall of invulnerability.

All you have to say is Chris Kyle. If he can get killed, then it doesn’t matter what you set up.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:08:56pm

“…that bill is intended to deal with “oyster harvesting, revising standards of water vending machines, and more.”

“However, conveniently tucked in pages 88-90 of this 98 page bill is language that would require the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to grant a Concealed Weapons Permit applicant their permit within 90 days, even if a full background check has not been completed,” he revealed. “No one should be granted a concealed weapons permit unless a full background check has been completed. That’s just common sense.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:11:38pm

re: #37 Belafon

All you have to say is Chris Kyle. If he can get killed, then it doesn’t matter what you set up.

Funny how the rabid gun-fuckers don’t want to talk about him now that he is dead and gone. It’s almost like he proves the old adage, “Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don’t.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:11:48pm

A little over a month after his inauguration, on Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed HJ Resolution 40, a bill that made it easier for people with mental illness to obtain guns. CBS News then asked the White House to release the photograph of Mr. Trump signing the bill, making the request a total of 12 times.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders finally responded to repeated emails and phone calls with a one-line note on April 19, 2017, writing to CBS News, “We don’t plan to release the picture at this time.”

A White House photographer confirmed to CBS News that there are photos of the bill signing. Those photos won’t be seen unless the Trump administration releases them, though, because the White House is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:12:00pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

And this is the situation all “responsible” gun owners should have worried about. Being unwilling to accept background checks and limits on the types of guns would only lead to people calling for them all to be removed.

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Citizen K  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:12:03pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

Just…fucking hell. We are a broken fucking country.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:14:18pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:15:50pm

re: #42 Citizen K

Laura Ingraham is an evil bitch. Ban me, I don’t care.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:18:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:20:36pm
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Citizen K  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:21:06pm

re: #45 jaunte

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You have literal victims and onlookers screaming ‘yes, please politicize this, do something’ and pundits and politicians still chiding folks that it’s ‘too soon’.

Fuck all.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:23:28pm

re: #47 Citizen K

You have literal victims and onlookers screaming ‘yes, please politicize this, do something’ and pundits and politicians still chiding folks that it’s ‘too soon’.

Fuck all.

Nope, just the pundits.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:23:49pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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There is a whole RWNJ sub culture devoted to spreading fantastic bullshit about gun control in Australia, crime is out of control (especially rape by non-whites), all guns were confiscated, hunting is illegal etc. etc.
Actually there are still a lot of privately held guns in Australia, crime is in decline, and the government paid for the guns it put on the prohibited list.
The real reason the ammosexuals and NRA hate Australian gun control is simple: It works.

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sagehen  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:23:56pm

re: #28 lawhawk

If we were to apply Israel’s gun ownership standards here, there’d be howling like no one would believe.

I’d also be plenty happy to apply Israel’s abortion standards here.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:23:59pm

He’s going to need a huge security perimeter to be out of earshot.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:26:35pm

re: #45 jaunte

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:26:41pm

re: #45 jaunte

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in case folks missed it earlier:

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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:27:23pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

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Huckabee has no idea what he’s talking about, as per the norm really.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:27:40pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:28:41pm

re: #51 jaunte

I hope a million people show up to protest that piece of shit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:29:48pm

re: #55 jaunte

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And let’s face it: What good are AR-15’s going to be in the face of an A-10 Thunderbolt? BRRRRRRRRRRRT will sit your ass down before you even so much as get your rifle set on your shoulder. The military’s loyalty will determine the outcome of the next civil war, not some rogue band of relatively well-armed civilians.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:30:30pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s always been a stupid myth.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:31:24pm

re: #26 jaunte

Not just Black people are enjoying Black Panther. It’s showing worldwide and has already opened overseas. But I get your point that racists are losing their minds over it. Lol.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:31:28pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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I saw Nicole Wallace…the former GOP apparatchik who was tasked to prepare Sarah Palin…on her show on MSNBC today and she was out of fucks to give. She asked her panel when the GOP was going to realize they had blood dripping from their hands.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:31:38pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:31:38pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Their assumption is that the A-10 is going to be on their side. I wouldn’t bet against it as long as Trump is president.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:32:26pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And let’s face it: What good are AR-15’s going to be in the face of an A-10 Thunderbolt? BRRRRRRRRRRRT will sit your ass down before you even so much as get your rifle set on your shoulder. The military’s loyalty will determine the outcome of the next civil war, not some rogue band of relatively well-armed civilians.

If the government wanted to fire on citizens, a plane would never have to leave the ground. Plenty of small missiles to wipe out a few houses of professed warriors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:32:41pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:33:08pm

re: #58 jaunte

It’s always been a stupid myth.

It had some…and only some…legitimacy in 1800. utterly laughable now.

By they way, they won’t waste a good A-10 on that mission when they have silent and cheap armed drones that can watch your house and car for days and days and days….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:33:11pm

re: #62 Skip Intro

Their assumption is that the A-10 is going to be on their side. I wouldn’t bet against it as long as Trump is president.

Which is all well and good, but the idjits should not delude themselves that it is their personal collection of firearms that will decide the battle against a tyranny. If the military decided to stick with the tyrannical dictator, the gun-fuckers would have no chance.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:34:06pm

re: #63 Belafon

If the government wanted to fire on citizens, a plane would never have to leave the ground. Plenty of small missiles to wipe out a few houses of professed warriors.

GAU-8 rounds are a hell of a lot cheaper than a Hellfire. I learned this on a Fark thread when people were discussing the relative merits of sending an A-10 for an air strike versus a Predator drone.

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sagehen  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:34:31pm

re: #60 Scottish Dragon

I saw Nicole Wallace…the former GOP apparatchik who was tasked to prepare Sarah Palin…on her show on MSNBC today and she was out of fucks to give. She asked her panel when the GOP was going to realize they had blood dripping from their hands.

If you remember, at the end of “Game Change”, there’s a scene of Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt in a hallway, where she tearfully confesses she couldn’t bring herself to vote for this ticket. Steve looks both ways to make sure no one’s within earshot, then whispers that he couldn’t either.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:36:14pm

When the NRA patriot three percenters gather to bring down tyranny, they’ll shoot for a few hours and then fall to fighting among themselves because no one brought any food.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:36:19pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

This cold is kicking my ass. Feel like refried weasel poop.

Charles when I get a cold it’s soup time for me—either chicken soup from Greenblatt’s, Lenny’s or Canter’s Deli or Wor Wonton Soup from Paul’s Kitchen.

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:37:03pm

Facebook Post

Fuck these people

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:37:29pm

re: #71 electrotek

What was that?

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:37:45pm

re: #71 electrotek

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Fuck these people

All I’m seeing is that it doesn’t exist.

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:38:02pm

re: #72 Ace Rothstein

What was that?

Go on their Facebook page: facebook.com

And check out their recent post

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:38:48pm

re: #31 jaunte

Sweet!!! That will be my mindset tomorrow morning. Looking forward to watching it.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:38:56pm

re: #74 electrotek

Oh no.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:39:10pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

If you have what I had, prepare yourself for 3 weeks of hell.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:40:38pm

re: #68 sagehen

If you remember, at the end of “Game Change”, there’s a scene of Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt in a hallway, where she tearfully confesses she couldn’t bring herself to vote for this ticket. Steve looks both ways to make sure no one’s within earshot, then whispers that he couldn’t either.

I specifically remembered that scene.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:41:43pm

re: #68 sagehen

That scene is why I’m kind of lukewarm about Nicole and Steve. They pushed an unqualified VP on Americans knowing that they couldn’t even bring themselves to vote for that ticket. Why not openly quit the campaign and warn American voters about Palin’s awfulness? Seemed sneaky to me.

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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:42:44pm

re: #74 electrotek

Go on their Facebook page: facebook.com

And check out their recent post

This sociopathic fuckwittery?

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:44:22pm

re: #80 Interesting Times

This sociopathic fuckwittery?

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No, not that.

Try this

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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:44:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:44:38pm
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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:48:19pm

re: #70 Joe Bacon 🌹

Charles when I get a cold it’s soup time for me—either chicken soup from Greenblatt’s, Lenny’s or Canter’s Deli or Wor Wonton Soup from Paul’s Kitchen.

In these parts, proper chicken soup with vegetables is deemed an elixir of life for times of illness by quite literally everyone in the country. There are HUNDREDS of chicken soup varieties and recipes here, all reserved for getting well.
And fully supported by this LGFer 1000%, having spent the better part of last month surviving on the stuff.

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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:48:39pm

Do any lizards live in these districts?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:50:23pm

re: #85 Interesting Times

Do any lizards live in these districts?

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Trying to remember if I live in MN-2 or MN-3. Either way, the answer is obviously yes. I have work to do. Fuck.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:50:40pm

re: #69 jaunte

When the NRA patriot three percenters gather to bring down tyranny, they’ll shoot for a few hours and then fall to fighting among themselves because no one brought any food.

“Moran’s Labia! Bring Snacks!”

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scottslemmons  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:50:52pm

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:51:16pm

re: #87 Dave In Austin

Mole on labia!

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:51:29pm

re: #84 Archangelus

I made a big pot of thai chicken soup with a pretty serious spice level to help me get thru this flu.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:51:47pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

A damn shame. B&N was the only real reason I visited the local shopping mall. Now I have no reason to go there except for Pokemon Go.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:53:27pm

re: #89 Ace Rothstein

Mole on labia!

Now I’ll be thinking about that Austin Powers bit. Mooooole.

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:54:06pm

His anti-Muslim bigotry was ironic.

All projection.

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:54:46pm

re: #58 jaunte

It’s always been a stupid myth.

Especially stupid in the face that the first time the militia was called out was to be lead by President Washington to put down a rebellion.

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ipsos  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:57:33pm

You know the bikers who gather around funerals to drown out the Westboro nitwits and protect the grieving families?

How many of us would it take to descend on Florida on short notice to rally around the families there and drown out Trump, America’s Westboro President?

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BlueGrl21  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:58:41pm

re: #85 Interesting Times

Do any lizards live in these districts?

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I live right next to Hurd’s; my parents and the vast bulk of my friends live there. Hillary won that district. He is in DEEP shit in November.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:58:57pm

I’m going with chicken noodle soup from a local Jewish deli tonight. I tried the zinc approach yesterday, no effect. At least chicken noodle soup tastes good.

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guachi  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:59:35pm

Barnes and Noble was doomed. It’s just the last one left standing to die. My wife loves Barnes and Noble but even our purchases have dropped there. We buy fewer books and media and spend more and more on Amazon.

It’s hard to resist the pull of Amazon and shop elsewhere. For example, I have to go out of my way to buy movies at Best Buy but I also know Best Buy price matches Amazon.

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 6:59:40pm

Why hasn’t Twitter removed her checkmark yet?

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teleskiguy  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:01:51pm

Best day of the year at the ski area today, very fun! Finally, an active snow pattern. We’ve gotten over two feet in the last week.

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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:03:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:04:00pm

re: #72 Ace Rothstein

What was that?

Templar Ordnance
11 hrs *
Obviously, this is a dark day for our country. This saddens and angers us to no end that our youth see no other option but to act out in ways like this.

Our prayers are with the families of the injured and lost. With the 1st responders that had to deal with this, and our nation.

Please join us in praying for this nation, our communities, our children.

There will be lots of heated rhetoric about firearms, about our rights, and the lot. Our position has not changed. This is not a gun control issue. This is a mental health issue, this is a cultural issue. This is not going to be solved by more laws, more restrictions on our rights as citizens.

God Bless.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:04:44pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

Damn damn damn

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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:05:21pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

This times 1000.

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scottslemmons  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:05:35pm

re: #91 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A damn shame. B&N was the only real reason I visited the local shopping mall. Now I have no reason to go there except for Pokemon Go.

They’re still open, for at least a few months or a couple years. So they’re still worth going to.

re: #98 guachi

Barnes and Noble was doomed. It’s just the last one left standing to die. My wife loves Barnes and Noble but even our purchases have dropped there. We buy fewer books and media and spend more and more on Amazon.

It’s hard to resist the pull of Amazon and shop elsewhere. For example, I have to go out of my way to buy movies at Best Buy but I also know Best Buy price matches Amazon.

I live out in the sticks, so it’s a two-hour drive to get to the closest bookstore. So Amazon’s my only option. And as a book fanatic, I’m not sure how I’ll feed the monkey if Amazon starts jacking up book prices. :/

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:06:30pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:06:44pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

I remember when Books a Million went down…and it was insane. Needless resets, wasteful practices and whatever. This is pure evil.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:06:45pm

re: #105 scottslemmons

They’re still open, for at least a few months or a couple years. So they’re still worth going to.

I live out in the sticks, so it’s a two-hour drive to get to the closest bookstore. So Amazon’s my only option. And as a book fanatic, I’m not sure how I’ll feed the monkey if Amazon starts jacking up book prices. :/

All hail Amazon, the savior of hard-cover book fanatics everywhere. …Except near major shopping centers, because we always had decent access, but now we rely on our lord and savior Jeff Bezos for our literary fetish.

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:06:58pm

re: #45 jaunte

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:08:52pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

The two used bookstores in my area have started selling some new books as well.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:09:13pm

re: #99 electrotek

Why hasn’t Twitter removed her checkmark yet?

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You find you a live ‘un….

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CleverToad  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:09:21pm

re: #85 Interesting Times

Do any lizards live in these districts?

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Yep, Coffman is my congresscritter. Will have to be back on the phone tomorrow, expressing my enthusiastic lack of support for his voting record.

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teleskiguy  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:09:54pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:11:19pm

re: #107 Scottish Dragon

I remember when Books a Million went down…and it was insane. Needless resets, wasteful practices and whatever. This is pure evil.

There’s a Books-A-Million in Texarkana and another one at Grapevine Mills Mall. They’re a lot different than they were about 10 years ago.

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:11:28pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Wanna cure your cold? Chartreuse.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:12:05pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:12:33pm

re: #86 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Trying to remember if I live in MN-2 or MN-3. Either way, the answer is obviously yes. I have work to do. Fuck.

If you’re in MN-3, here’s another flaming bag o’shit your congresscritter deposited on your doorstep:

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ozharas  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:12:54pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Australian here - what a ludicrous mis-characterisation of our gun laws and what we went through in 1996.

Very average suburban family here, have never touched a gun, have no idea where to buy a gun, or how to get a license, cannot recall the last time I went through a metal detector outside of an airport, don’t know anyone who owns a gun - and he thinks we’re oppressed?

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:12:58pm

re: #90 JordanRules

I made a big pot of thai chicken soup with a pretty serious spice level to help me get thru this flu.

Recipe please!

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:13:55pm

re: #99 electrotek

Why hasn’t Twitter removed her checkmark yet?

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Some one should tell her that the only reason people have ever had to follow the teaching of Jesus is to be shown by example that it is a path worth following. Those like her have never accomplished that. True Evangelism is only by example…

“He has told you, O mortal, what is good;
and what does the Lord require of you
but to do justice, and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God?”

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:15:03pm

re: #118 ozharas

Australian here - what a ludicrous mis-characterisation of our gun laws and what we went through in 1996.

I think we can let Aussie/American Jim Jefferies do his magic…..

Jim Jefferies — Gun Control (Part 1) from BARE — Netflix Special

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:15:22pm

re: #117 Interesting Times

If you’re in MN-3, here’s another flaming bag o’shit your congresscritter deposited on your doorstep:

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I think I remember that Paulsen got elected despite my best intentions, so yeah, that sounds about right. Fuck my life in particular.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:17:23pm

re: #118 ozharas

I very much doubt Tucker would ever allow an expert on Australian gun laws on his show.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:20:52pm

re: #118 ozharas

Australian here - what a ludicrous mis-characterisation of our gun laws and what we went through in 1996.

Very average suburban family here, have never touched a gun, have no idea where to buy a gun, or how to get a license, cannot recall the last time I went through a metal detector outside of an airport, don’t know anyone who owns a gun - and he thinks we’re oppressed?

Not familiar with what passes for “debate” on gun issues here? When it comes to American wingnuts opining on other countries’ gun laws, “ ludicrous mis-characterization” is usually about the best you’re going to get….

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:22:50pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:25:17pm
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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:25:27pm

re: #26 jaunte

Just think about how many racist assholes are going to flood Twitter when the movie comes out tomorrow.

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:25:55pm

re: #123 jaunte

Yeah, you know, someone who actually lives there.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:26:24pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:27:51pm

re: #125 JordanRules

If you want a cry, scroll down the timeline until you hit the 13th, knowing what’s about to come.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:29:11pm

re: #119 MsJ

This was my base. I used dark and white meat added celery, red bell pepper, thai basil, serrano and jalapeno peppers. Didn’t use avocado either.

Really good!

joyfulhealthyeats.com

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:29:46pm

There’s also some tweets in there about a (big) coach who took some bullets to save some of the kids. He didn’t survive.

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:31:01pm

re: #130 Belafon

I watched a video clip from the timeline. Now I’m crying.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:32:52pm

Congressman from Rhode Island.

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:33:24pm

re: #131 JordanRules

This was my base. I used dark and white meat added celery, red bell pepper, thai basil, serrano and jalapeno peppers. Didn’t use avocado either.

Really good!

joyfulhealthyeats.com

Where do you get Thai basil? I can’t find it anywhere.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:34:59pm

re: #135 MsJ

We have a fantastic international market in Mesa, AZ that is stocked like heaven!

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:35:44pm

re: #136 JordanRules

I’ve used regular basil in my Thai recipes and it works great too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:38:09pm

re: #98 guachi

Barnes and Noble was doomed. It’s just the last one left standing to die. My wife loves Barnes and Noble but even our purchases have dropped there. We buy fewer books and media and spend more and more on Amazon.

It’s hard to resist the pull of Amazon and shop elsewhere. For example, I have to go out of my way to buy movies at Best Buy but I also know Best Buy price matches Amazon.

Lexington, Kentucky still has an independent bookstore, Joseph-Beth!

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:40:14pm

NRA says “You can have the bravest unarmed man - the strongest, bravest unarmed man is no match for an evil wolf with a gun.”

There is literally a movie about that! The 15:17 to Paris.

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:44:17pm

re: #137 JordanRules

I’ve used regular basil in my Thai recipes and it works great too.

That’s what I usually do. What is the difference in taste? Can you describe it?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:45:39pm

re: #133 meteor

I saw that their friend Meadow didn’t survive.

Yesterday was shock.

Today, I was angry. Cold, seething anger that we have let this get to this point again.

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:46:11pm

The fuck?

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:47:09pm

re: #140 MsJ

It seems more peppery and pungent to me. I like it. But most of the time I just have regular which I love too.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:48:43pm

re: #142 electrotek

The fuck?

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:49:06pm

re: #141 Scottish Dragon

True. My brother died in an accident in 1991. That was bad enough.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to have your kid murdered.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:49:16pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

I’m going with chicken noodle soup from a local Jewish deli tonight. I tried the zinc approach yesterday, no effect. At least chicken noodle soup tastes good.

Nothing you ingest is likely to work as a “medicine” for the cold, you can clear nasal passages temporarily with some food with capsaicin or horseradish. As you say, hot chicken soup tastes good, and the hot liquid may help.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:52:09pm

re: #140 MsJ

Thai basil is often characterized as having a clove-like taste and smell, along with the vegetal, peppery taste of Genoa basil (which is generally what you get in the store).

(technically Thai food uses three types of basil—holy basil, Thai basil, lemon basil—in different dishes)

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:55:20pm

re: #142 electrotek

I just got a 12 hour time out for tweeting this in response:

Actually, it’s looking like the Nikolas Cruz was a radicalized Trump supporter.

What if we applied #StupidRightWingTroll logic and put restrictions on the many (not total asshole dumbfuck) Trump supporters in an effort to stop the few really bad Trumpers?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:56:34pm

re: #118 ozharas

Australian here - what a ludicrous mis-characterisation of our gun laws and what we went through in 1996.

Very average suburban family here, have never touched a gun, have no idea where to buy a gun, or how to get a license, cannot recall the last time I went through a metal detector outside of an airport, don’t know anyone who owns a gun - and he thinks we’re oppressed?

This whole wingnut nonsense Wayne LaPierre brought into the NRA of “liberals are coming for YER GUNZ!” is only designed to drive voters to the polls for conservatives through fear.

I own a shotgun. I am all for the idea of requiring titles to purchase and transfer guns. (Gun stolen and you failed to report it? You’re on the hook if it is used in a crime. Fail to report a sale? You’re on the hook for a crime. Works for cars and boats, should work for guns.)

As for the argument “cars aren’t a protected right,” they used to be. There was an absolute right to drive an unregistered car without a license. Courts repeatedly found that the government had no constitutional right to regulate automobiles.

As road carnage increased, gradually courts imposed restrictions on automobiles to the point where it is now one of the most restricted activities you can do besides fly an aeroplane (and the same applied to those as well).

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stpaulbear  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:58:29pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

Crap. I didn’t know that. I’ve got a membership at B&N. It was pretty often possible to get much better prices at B&N than at Amazon, so I’ll miss the competition (and also miss their exclusive versions of vinyl albums).

We’re lucky that there are still lots of independent bookstores in the Twin Cities. The newest and closest to me is a store owned by Garrison Keillor and Macalaster College. I haven’t been in it yet because I really can’t stand Keillor.

Even after B&N goes down, I plan to use Amazon a lot less in the future. They’re getting far too omnipresent. I don’t feel like being a part of it anymore.

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:58:32pm

Yet the tweet remains. still unclear what we have limited your account means.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:58:47pm

re: #124 Jay C

Not familiar with what passes for “debate” on gun issues here? When it comes to American wingnuts opining on other countries’ gun laws, “ ludicrous mis-characterization” is usually about the best you’re going to get….

See also healthcare in other nations. According to conservatives, Canada is a smoking hellhole where you wait months for a bandage.

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:59:14pm

re: #142 electrotek

The fuck?

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Just the usual lies against them. The Book should show all three Peoples the narrow path to the far province but they are too busy with their hate to even to try to follow it.

We all claim submission to god’s will - but how many of us actually live it? “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done; on earth as it is in heaven”?

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 7:59:33pm

re: #150 stpaulbear

NOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOO NOOOOO

BRING BACK BORDERS YOU ASSHOLES

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:00:59pm

re: #131 JordanRules

Beautiful. Saved.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:02:46pm

I wonder what would happen to the Barnes & Nobles in Scottsbluff if the company actually goes through with this? There are several booksellers in Scottsbluff, B&N plus several smaller shops owned by locals.

Amazon gets little business here as most people don’t have Internet or cell phone service. The public library in my village buys books by mail order from B&N, as well as retail from local shops.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:02:57pm

re: #154 meteor

NOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOO NOOOOO

BRING BACK BORDERS YOU ASSHOLES

I still have the receipt for a book I bought in 1993 at a Waldenbooks in Orlando that I keep in the book.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:04:15pm

re: #156 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder what would happen to the Barnes & Nobles in Scottsbluff if the company actually goes through with this? There are several booksellers in Scottsbluff, B&N plus several smaller shops owned by locals.

Amazon gets little business here as most people don’t have Internet or cell phone service. The public library in my village buys books by mail order from B&N, as well as retail from local shops.

What’s also interesting is that B&N is the on campus book store for a number of Universities. What will happen to those.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:04:22pm

re: #142 electrotek

The fuck?

Wingnut still pushing Jim Hoft’s wingman’s bullcrap claim from yesterday.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:04:57pm

re: #157 Belafon

Awww Waldenbooks!
I loved going there at the mall while my friends stayed in Spencer’s longer than I needed to.

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:05:44pm

re: #157 Belafon

Awww. I loved them. I used to go there when I lived in Flushing. They also used to have one in the mall just down the road from where I live now.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:05:58pm

re: #151 gocart mozart

Yet the tweet remains. still unclear what we have limited your account means.

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It means that for the duration of the time out only people who follow you can see your tweets.

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stpaulbear  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:07:09pm

re: #154 meteor

NOOOOO NOOOOO NOOOO NOOOOO

BRING BACK BORDERS YOU ASSHOLES

I was a big fan of Borders. Barnes and Noble was a distant second when Borders was still around.

I wonder if Half Price Books can start expanding further into new books to fill the void?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:08:43pm

re: #157 Belafon

I still have the receipt for a book I bought in 1993 at a Waldenbooks in Orlando that I keep in the book.

My mother would take us to camp out there for most of a day at Meridian Mall in East Lansing.

Camping out in bookstores is where I gained a love of books, since we had no libraries where we lived.

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:08:54pm

re: #163 stpaulbear

That would be cool.

I still have a Books a Million down the road from my house. Tacky, but they do have a decent selection of mystery and fantasy books.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:09:19pm

Depressing as fuck read.

Back to Shetland/mindlessness.

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:09:27pm

Watch this

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:13:34pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Depressing as fuck read.

Back to Shetland/mindlessness.

Even more the comments, such as “democracy is irreparably broken.” If enough people believe that, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Nevermind the huge turnouts in special elections (and many conservatives being turned out of safe seats). Nevermind in Virginia the Democratic candidates that specifically included the issues of guns and safety in their platforms who won.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:14:23pm

re: #167 gocart mozart

Watch this

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Best laugh I’ve had in awhile.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:16:29pm
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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:17:23pm

re: #167 gocart mozart

Watch this

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Stealing until an armed robber came? Then stiffing him while leaving with thier loot?

More CN than CG to me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:17:50pm

Las Vegas Autopsies Reveal the True Brutality of Mass Shootings (goes to Huffington Post)

Media coverage often serves to sanitize the graphic, uncomfortable reality of these tragedies. Maybe we don’t deserve the privilege of that comfort.

(graphic descriptions of those killed in the Las Vegas blood sacrifice on the altar of conservatism)

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:19:01pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

I really do think that many GOPers will try to hide their “good” NRA ratings and Dems will start proudly displaying their NRA fails.

I’m happy to see that many of the kids from Florida aren’t as cynical yet and they are lighting some fires.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:21:32pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:23:14pm

Get all the state houses!

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:24:40pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:24:43pm
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whitebeach  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:25:06pm

This whole NRA horseshit about the strongest bravest man is no match for an evil wolf with a gun may be the most insane single statement on the topic I’ve ever seen. Fuck, the strongest bravest man is no match for a wolf, “evil” or not, without a gun, if the wolf is hungry enough. And when in the countless generations of wolves has anyone ever seen one with a gun? All these assholes are doing is to try to put “lone wolf” a little less tiresomely and tritely than they usually do.

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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:25:36pm

Facebook Post

Click through to read the article, and you’ll see this description of his appearance:

The video shows a young male, who isn’t wearing a shirt, pants or shoes, shooting a gun in October. It was not immediately clear what type of weapon it was, but the ex-neighbor thought it was a BB or pellet gun.

Hmmm…what aspect of his scanty apparel did they conspicuously leave out? 🤔

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:27:13pm

re: #177 FormerDirtDart

Bernard Kerik is clown trash.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:28:08pm

re: #179 Interesting Times

Mmhmm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:28:14pm

re: #123 jaunte

I very much doubt Tucker would ever allow an expert on Australian gun laws on his show.

Agreed.

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:28:43pm
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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:29:52pm

re: #183 Kragar

Fuck. It’s only just about to be Friday morning.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:30:18pm

re: #177 FormerDirtDart

Recurring pattern:

Instrumental use of truth: what’s true is the story that serves their purpose in the moment. The same details can and will be re-assigned to serve other needs, catch as catch can.

(Drink!)

It’s the ultimate in cynicism. Everything serves just for the moment, purely opportunistically. It’s shamelessness plus nihilism.

(Do not do a drinking game based on my invocations of nihilism. You will die.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:32:47pm

I may send Marco a check.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:33:33pm

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

I can no longer play Twitter videos. (Yes I am aware of the play video button Mr. Johnson provides. It doesn’t work.) Twitter apparently did something. What does the video show?

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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:34:44pm

re: #167 gocart mozart

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:36:37pm
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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:36:37pm
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Archangelus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:36:49pm
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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:38:20pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

I LOVE IT! I’ll have to pull the same stunt, especially since he’s my Congresscritter….

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:38:34pm

I thought personal attacks on Twitter were grounds to suspend an account? This one is full of vile swill:

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:39:55pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:40:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:41:41pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart

Interesting. LtGen Flynn goes by “General Flynn” on Twitter.

That should go to
or militaryphony.com

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:43:13pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:44:21pm

re: #192 The Major

I LOVE IT! I’ll have to pull the same stunt, especially since he’s my Congresscritter….

I’ll have to do the same with Adrian Smith (R-NE3, 93%)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:45:41pm

re: #22 William Lewis

Would that the Port Huron Statement had won out instead. It was hardly perfect but it would still be a better world.

I’m showing my age having been a member of the YPSL back in the 60s and 70s before the old Socialist Party spit into Social Democrats, USA and DSOC. Social Democrats USA was the incubator of what would become neoconservatives and then totally embrace Reagan and the Republican Party. DSOC under Harrington eventually merged with NAM (New American Movement) to become DSA.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:46:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:47:43pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m showing my age having been a member of the YPSL back in the 60s and 70s before the old Socialist Party spit into Social Democrats, USA and DSOC. Social Democrats USA was the incubator of what would become neoconservatives and then totally embrace Reagan and the Republican Party. DSOC under Harrington eventually merged with NAM (New American Movement) to become DSA.

Well, you can yell at me to get off your lawn then. /s

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:47:53pm

re: #177 FormerDirtDart

heh

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:49:28pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m showing my age having been a member of the YPSL back in the 60s and 70s before the old Socialist Party spit into Social Democrats, USA and DSOC. Social Democrats USA was the incubator of what would become neoconservatives and then totally embrace Reagan and the Republican Party. DSOC under Harrington eventually merged with NAM (New American Movement) to become DSA.

Very aware of the history you speak of. I’m a Harrington follower, pure and simple. It’s not perfect by any means but a half step forward after the dance of one step forward and one step back is still better than no progress what so ever.

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teleskiguy  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:50:11pm

MP3 Audio

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:50:13pm

re: #151 gocart mozart

Yet the tweet remains. still unclear what we have limited your account means.

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I got a message like that there other day for responding with a simple “Fuck you” to some Dick. Nothing happened to my account. There was nothing impacted at all. I have no idea what it was about other than telling me not to swear.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:50:41pm

It’s only Thursday.

I am getting the shakes wondering what will happen on the Friday News Dump?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:51:08pm

Is Wheat-Dogg around tonight? I have a question about creepy things seen in Chinese restaurants around here, and if they exist in China (or why they exist at all).

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:52:26pm

For Charles and any other Lizards feeling down with a cold, I swear by these things. One on the morning, and one at night. Elderberry gummies. I’d normally get them on Amazon, but they are more than $30 a bottle now which is just insane.

vitaminshoppe.com

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William Lewis  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:52:31pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s only Thursday.

I am getting the shakes wondering what will happen on the Friday News Dump?

Really? Unless the missiles fly, nothing will happen that isn’t just another Friday. We keep resisting and they keep on trying to destroy the constitution.

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:52:40pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:53:02pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

This is so good! I wish I still had checks.

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retired cynic  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:54:49pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but here’s something to depress all you book-readers.

The Entirely Unnecessary Demise of Barnes & Noble

Basically, B&N is going the Circuit City route and dumping all its full-time employees who know how to run stores, because the execs have already decided to scrape all the profits out, let the business die, and give the CEO a $10 million bonus.

This’ll leave all but the largest cities without any bookstores at all. And once Amazon has an effective nationwide monopoly, they’ll quit offering books at any sort of discount. I have no idea if the publishing industry is ready for that, but I’ll bet on nope. :/

Oh. %^&*.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:55:02pm

re: #211 JordanRules

This is so good! I wish I still had checks.

You could probably use novelty ones from a gift/party store. :)

Or just stuff an envelope with Monopoly/other fake money. Along with a note.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:55:24pm

re: #211 JordanRules

This is so good! I wish I still had checks.

I’d give you one of mine, but they have my name on them.

Maybe you can claim you’re my wife? She’s on them too. /s

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:57:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:57:55pm

A teacher weighs in:

Next Week, My School Will Have an Active Shooter Drill. Here’s What I’ll Be Thinking. (goes to the Huffington Post)

Duck and cover, but for homegrown murderers. Pretty much has the same effect.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 8:59:53pm

re: #203 William Lewis

Very aware of the history you speak of. I’m a Harrington follower, pure and simple. It’s not perfect by any means but a half step forward after the dance of one step forward and one step back is still better than no progress what so ever.

William, I sure do remember the Harrington/Rustin split in the Socialist Party. I stayed in Social Dems and DSOC for several years. It got very acrimonious, lots of friction on both sides. I had to abandon Social Democrats when Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Gershman, Kemble and Puddington (SDUSA leaders) all went in with Reagan. The last nail in the coffin was Kemble writing in the New Republic supporting the Contras when we knew what was going on in South Central. I got in an argument with Jim Wood here in Los Angeles that siding with the Contras was the death warrant. Wood got to the point where we could no longer talk without him erupting. Anyway SDUSA collapsed and totally went into the GOP. Now there are a couple people trying to resurrect it and it’s interesting to see that it’s now centered in Pittsburgh by a couple folks that I had clashes with in the 70s…

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:00:45pm

re: #202 GlutenFreeJesus

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:02:04pm

re: #215 JordanRules

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:02:13pm

I had a sobering thought about the people who say we just need to be sure there’s always a “good guy with a gun” around:

Anyone who believes this is saying it’s not about stopping people from being killed but about making sure the right people are being killed.

Not a single thought about trying to defuse a violent situation, just worrying about which bodies are on the ground at the end.

Tell me that isn’t extremely fucked up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:03:33pm
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wheat-dogg  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:05:18pm

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

Is Wheat-Dogg around tonight? I have a question about creepy things seen in Chinese restaurants around here, and if they exist in China (or why they exist at all).

I am here. What creepy things have you seen?

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The Major  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:06:02pm

re: #215 JordanRules

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:06:56pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

I had a sobering thought about the people who say we just need to be sure there’s always a “good guy with a gun” around:

Anyone who believes this is saying it’s not about stopping people from being killed but about making sure the right people are being killed.

Not a single thought about trying to defuse a violent situation, just worrying about which bodies are on the ground at the end.

Tell me that isn’t extremely fucked up.

Conservatism is a blood sacrifice religion.

There is not much difference between the phrases “all men come short of the glory of God” and “Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.”

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:07:39pm

re: #219 Kragar

I’m so pissed, I’ve typed out a few replies to this asshole and keep deleting them because I haven’t found the right words yet. Grrrr!

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wheat-dogg  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:07:47pm

re: #222 wheat-dogg

I am here. What creepy things have you seen?

And I guarantee you, I probably have seen creepier things in restaurants here in China. Creep, crawl, slither, hop — you name it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:08:21pm

re: #222 wheat-dogg

I am here. What creepy things have you seen?

Gold-painted cats with an electric waving arm and a creepy visage.

One restaurant has a whole shelf full of them.

What is that about?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:08:47pm

Facebook Video

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:11:20pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:11:46pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Gold-painted cats with an electric waving arm and a creepy visage.

One restaurant has a whole shelf full of them.

What is that about?

catster.com

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:15:50pm
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prairiefire  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:15:57pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Gold-painted cats with an electric waving arm and a creepy visage.

One restaurant has a whole shelf full of them.

What is that about?

Good luck! My husband received his first white and red one when he was a little boy. Solid figure, without the waving.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:16:06pm

re: #230 GlutenFreeJesus

catster.com

Thanks.

They’re still creepy-looking to me. The Webpage in question gives the answer as to why so many ceramic cats seem to be trying to fly or something.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:18:35pm

NRA’s Hold on Florida So Powerful, Not Even the Scrub Jay Is Safe

Lawmakers killed efforts to make the native scrub jay the state bird - simply because the state’s top NRA lobbyist hated the creature.

(more at the Huffington Post)

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whitebeach  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:18:56pm

re: #217 Joe Bacon 🌹

William, I sure do remember the Harrington/Rustin split in the Socialist Party. I stayed in Social Dems and DSOC for several years. It got very acrimonious, lots of friction on both sides. I had to abandon Social Democrats when Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Gershman, Kemble and Puddington (SDUSA leaders) all went in with Reagan. The last nail in the coffin was Kemble writing in the New Republic supporting the Contras when we knew what was going on in South Central. I got in an argument with Jim Wood here in Los Angeles that siding with the Contras was the death warrant. Wood got to the point where we could no longer talk without him erupting. Anyway SDUSA collapsed and totally went into the GOP. Now there are a couple people trying to resurrect it and it’s interesting to see that it’s now centered in Pittsburgh by a couple folks that I had clashes with in the 70s…

I never could really get into the hyperpolitical types, not in Madison, not in San Francisco, not in New York. I met both Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin some time after the revolution was supposed to be won and disliked them both. They seemed to me to be on lunar ego trips. I still remember an antiwar rally in San Francisco where Tom Hayden was the featured speaker. My lady friend and I could see him on the stand before we could hear him. We stopped and watched his gestures. I said, “Jesus Christ, it’s Mussolini.” In New York i almost daily walked past the gaping hole that had been a Weathermen bombmaking den before they screwed up big time.

Fuck a revolution that can’t do minimum due diligence or get its prospective followers to like its supposed leaders.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:19:59pm

re: #232 prairiefire

Good luck! My husband received his first white and red one when he was a little boy. Solid figure, without the waving.

I have one on my desk. White/Red with waving arm.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:22:19pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

I’ve gotten a kick out of them since I was a kid. They were definitely present at many Chinese restaurants in Phoenix.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:23:08pm

re: #235 whitebeach

I still remember an antiwar rally in San Francisco where Tom Hayden was the featured speaker. My lady friend and I could see him on the stand before we could hear him. We stopped and watched his gestures. I said, “Jesus Christ, it’s Mussolini.” In New York i almost daily walked past the gaping hole that had been a Weathermen bombmaking den before they screwed up big time.

Fuck a revolution that can’t do minimum due diligence or get its prospective followers to like its supposed leaders.

He was just like that in the YPSL in the mid 60s until he departed…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:23:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:23:22pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

OFFS.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:25:16pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

NRA’s Hold on Florida So Powerful, Not Even the Scrub Jay Is Safe

(more at the Huffington Post)

So when is George Zimmerman going to run for office?

242
Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:26:40pm

Comment thread:

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:27:06pm
244
JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:27:51pm
245
goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:28:03pm
246
Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:30:19pm
247
Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:32:40pm

re: #243 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Short answer: More gun sales.

Today was yet another school shooting where the presence of an armed guard made no difference. Sadly, we’re eventually going to see one where an armed teacher was shot dead. At that point, they’ll start advocating arming students.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:33:56pm
249
Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:36:06pm

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

That was my first reaction.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:37:32pm

“An armed society is a polite society” was meant to be satire, not a genuine proposal.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:43:57pm
253
Hecuba's daughter  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:45:13pm

Rampant speculation on Shulkin — based on no real information, except for the fact that he was a holdover from the Obama administration.

My theory: Under Obama, Shulkin followed the rules and under a Clinton WH, his behavior would have been exemplary. Now, however, he had a position under the Trump administration and the rules were different: the practice under Mnuchin, Pruitt, et al was to get away with anything and everything, use government money to pay for vacations with your spouse. Everyone is doing it — so why adhere to the old standards? Corruption contaminates everyone in the administration.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:45:30pm

re: #252 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

LeBron has class

Laura is an ass.

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whitebeach  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:46:14pm

Aw, damn, it just hit me. The solution. No guns needed. Just put MACE in the fire extinguishers in every high school in America. Show me what could possibly go wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:46:20pm

re: #254 Joe Bacon 🌹

LeBron has class

Laura is an ass.

As is everyone who supports Trump

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:46:24pm

re: #252 JordanRules

Because LeBron James (an American with I Amendment rights) should just “shut up.”

You can almost hear the “shuddap ni*CLANG” in her statement. I’m sure Ms. Ingraham feels exactly the same about entertainers (such as the one who was elected).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:47:43pm

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

Rampant speculation on Shulkin — based on no real information, except for the fact that he was a holdover from the Obama administration.

My theory: Under Obama, Shulkin followed the rules and under a Clinton WH, his behavior would have been exemplary. Now, however, he had a position under the Trump administration and the rules were different: the practice under Mnuchin, Pruitt, et al was to get away with anything and everything, use government money to pay for vacations with your spouse. Everyone is doing it — so why adhere to the old standards? Corruption contaminates everyone in the administration.

Shulkin was not at the top of the VA under Obama. He was an under-secretary.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:50:47pm

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹

Yessir, I hear it loud and clear!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:50:49pm

re: #248 Anymouse 🌹

Let’s arm doctors Let’s arm librarians Let’s arm music artists Let’s arm Uber drivers

If you arm librarians, the Class 2 for the silencers will set you back a bunch.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:52:54pm

Funny how Reagan, Trump, etc never needed to shut up. This is Lebron’s country too despite what Laura believes.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:53:03pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

I had a sobering thought about the people who say we just need to be sure there’s always a “good guy with a gun” around:

Anyone who believes this is saying it’s not about stopping people from being killed but about making sure the right people are being killed.

Not a single thought about trying to defuse a violent situation, just worrying about which bodies are on the ground at the end.

Tell me that isn’t extremely fucked up.

Yep. They are willing to accept a few dozen casualties as long as a gun is used to shoot the perp at the end.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:57:12pm

re: #255 whitebeach

Aw, damn, it just hit me. The solution. No guns needed. Just put MACE in the fire extinguishers in every high school in America. Show me what could possibly go wrong.

Mace won’t put out a fire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:58:18pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

If you arm librarians, the Class 2 for the silencers will set you back a bunch.

That got a big laugh out of my wife.

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whitebeach  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:02:43pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

Mace won’t put out a fire.

And you know this how?

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:03:18am

re: #235 whitebeach

I never could really get into the hyperpolitical types, not in Madison, not in San Francisco, not in New York. I met both Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin some time after the revolution was supposed to be won and disliked them both. They seemed to me to be on lunar ego trips. I still remember an antiwar rally in San Francisco where Tom Hayden was the featured speaker. My lady friend and I could see him on the stand before we could hear him. We stopped and watched his gestures. I said, “Jesus Christ, it’s Mussolini.” In New York i almost daily walked past the gaping hole that had been a Weathermen bombmaking den before they screwed up big time.

Fuck a revolution that can’t do minimum due diligence or get its prospective followers to like its supposed leaders.

I had an office in a campus ministry house in Ann Arbor where the SDS had previously hung out. One day I went in to work and the house was filled with alpha males exuding aggression, all about the same age as me. Turns out there was some kind of reunion. Got to say that I was not impressed by their empathy or friendliness.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:11:02am

re: #81 electrotek

No, not that.

Try this

Well, I did like that one comment… William, I never knew you were a spambot!


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