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goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:50:59pm

This is the insane calculus we’ve developed instead of dealing directly with the problem of how easy it is to acquire mass casualty conducive self-loading arms.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:55:16pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

This is the insane calculus we’ve developed instead of dealing directly with the problem of how easy it is to acquire mass casualty conducive self-loading arms.

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The cold equations of a country where mass shootings are no longer a rarity, they’re an everyday occurrence. Where children are instructed to “distract” a shooter not to stop him, not to scare him off, but to buy time for others.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 9:59:45pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

This is the insane calculus we’ve developed instead of dealing directly with the problem of how easy it is to acquire mass casualty conducive self-loading arms.

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And some of the replies are “just give the teacher a gun.”

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:00:44pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:02:53pm

re: #4 MsJ

Possibly 3 folks cooperating now right? And Stevie 3 shirts has been chilling with team Mueller.

*sips tea… mostly cause I’m sick*

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allegro  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:04:11pm

Pro-life. Never ever again will I hear this coming from someone’s mouth without going off. Don’t care when. Don’t care where.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:05:02pm

“Cyclops in the White House understands it”

I like this.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:06:04pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:07:25pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:10:17pm

re: #5 JordanRules

Possibly 3 folks cooperating now right? And Stevie 3 shirts has been chilling with team Mueller.

*sips tea… mostly cause I’m sick*

This is how you take down organized crime. Not in big, flashy moves that give your targets ample time and opportunity to prepare. You sweat out the small fries until they give you what you need to go after bigger fish. If Gates is preparing to roll, then Paulie has no choice but to do so if he ever wants to see the outside of a jail cell before he dies. And if he’s counting on a pardon, then he’s setting himself up for a real shock when Mueller presses him for answers now that he has no 5th amendment protections against self-incrimination.

And one Manafort rolls, that’s Uday and Javanka in a vice, because you can be sure if Paulie figures he’s going down, he’s going to take others with him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:10:27pm

re: #9 JordanRules

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Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, yeah but your fucking gun makes it that much easier. There was a mass stabbing at a Chinese school around the time of Sandy Hook with no fatalities iirc.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:11:36pm

The GOP is broken, not Congress.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:13:29pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Exactly right. It is weird seeing slow falling dominoes though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:14:22pm

From the previous thread:

re: #265 whitebeach

And you know this how?

Mace is tear gas propelled by hydrocarbons.

Moreover, the active ingredient of mace (phenacyl cloride) has a flash point of 88F.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:15:12pm
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wheat-dogg  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:15:16pm

Anymouse, about those cats….

They were originally a Japanese thing that has spread all over Asia. It represents prosperity, so many businesses will have these motorized cats waving one paw - usually the left one, I think - all over Asia and within the Asian diaspora.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:15:32pm

re: #9 JordanRules

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One of the facts about the Columbine Shooting that have been lost to history is that among the arsenal brought to the school that day were some pipe bombs and a time bomb built out of a propane tank. Cops who cleaned up the scene later said that if it had gone off, that propane bomb would have leveled part of the building. Why didn’t it go off? Because the geniuses didn’t know how to properly wire it and it wound up being a dud. They were even crazy enough to take plinking shots at it, trying to set it off with their guns.

So the argument “they’ll just find another way” is ridiculous because most of the geniuses who think they can shoot up a school or public place and then get away don’t have the brain power to wire up even a crude bomb. Even the Boston Marathon bombers had to reference instructions to build their pressure cooker bombs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:20:24pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Also, there aren’t “Bomb stores” and “Bomb Shows” and “Bomb clubs” all over America either.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:21:47pm

A line I see they use that amuses me us “You can’t legislate evil.” You mean we don’t have homicide laws? We don’t punish war criminals? The fact is Republican office holders are nothing but a bunch of cowards who do the gun lobby’s work. They say it’s about people’s rights but what about our kids’ right to feel safe at school. I’m sorry but fuck Wingnut Wayne and his delusions about how he needs an AR-15 to protect himself.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:22:44pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, there aren’t “Bomb stores” and “Bomb Shows” and “Bomb clubs” all over America either.

I’m waiting for a GOap politician to have a pipe bomb auction the way these assholes auction off assault weapons.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:23:50pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

A line I see they use that amuses me us “You can’t legislate evil.” You mean we don’t have homicide laws? We don’t punish war criminals? The fact is Republican office holders are nothing but a bunch of cowards who do the gun lobby’s work. They say it’s about people’s rights but what about our kids’ right to feel safe at school. I’m sorry but fuck Wingnut Wayne and his delusions about how he needs an AR-15 to protect himself.

”You can’t legislate evil! Now excuse us as we continue to try to stamp out all access to abortion via increasingly restrictive laws!”

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:24:21pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Senator Murphy, who I know we both like a lot, was very clear that this is actually one of the fundamental charges of modern governance.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:27:31pm

re: #22 JordanRules

Senator Murphy, who I know we both like a lot, was very clear that this is actually one of the fundamental charges of modern governance.

Exactly. We legislate evil all the time. We really need a full out offensive on the gun lobby imo. The NRA needs to be discredited sooner rather than later.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:28:20pm

Not all gun owners but scuse is all whikecwe blame immigrants for all crime.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:28:56pm

re: #6 allegro

Pro-life. Never ever again will I hear this coming from someone’s mouth without going off. Don’t care when. Don’t care where.

They are not pro-life. Conservatism is a death cult. Since it is projection with them always, that would mean liberals are pro-life.

We’re the ones who want comprehensive sex education, accessible and safe birth control methods, access to healthcare for all, reasonable gun safety regulations (even the NRA’s safety recommendations written into law would be a start), &c.

Conservatism has always needed blood sacrifices to feed the fear of conservatives. It is a religion.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:29:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:32:01pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

A line I see they use that amuses me us “You can’t legislate evil.” You mean we don’t have homicide laws? We don’t punish war criminals? The fact is Republican office holders are nothing but a bunch of cowards who do the gun lobby’s work. They say it’s about people’s rights but what about our kids’ right to feel safe at school. I’m sorry but fuck Wingnut Wayne and his delusions about how he needs an AR-15 to protect himself.

It is the fallacy of black-or-white thinking, used by many people (not just the NRA - anti-vaxxers are famous for it).

If the law does not completely eliminate crime, then the law is no good.

And the word “evil” carries religious connotations, which puts the issue “in the hands of God.”

The correct word is “criminal.”

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:32:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:36:17pm

re: #28 JordanRules

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Yep but it’s easier to just blame Engle v Vitale because religion is totally anti violence.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:38:10pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:43:00pm

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:45:38pm

Tests have done in the past on the efficacy in prayer, with people who suffer debilitating medical conditions such as heart attacks.

Not only prayer did not work, when the person knew he or she was prayed for, that person generally fared worse.

Prayer did not work.

Yet, people still pray for the ill, hoping it will make them better.

Likewise, conservatives have been offering prayers for gun violence for years. I think at this point we have a sufficient body of evidence that prayer does not work in this case either.

Therefore (assuming a belief in God I don’t have):

a) God said “no” (the default position when a prayer is not answered) despite what the Bible says about prayer
b) God wants these killings

Therefore, in either case, who are Christians to claim the chutzpah to demand from God what God doesn’t want?

New Testament, Book of James Chapter 2 (KJV):

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

But I’m condemned to hell, because I at least attempt works, but have no faith.

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:47:39pm

Jesus Christ. The NYT took another month’s subscription amount. Again. $6.00 that they slip through periodically.

Guess I have to call them. Again.

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:51:10pm
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retired cynic  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:51:15pm

re: #33 MsJ

Jesus Christ. The NYT took another month’s subscription amount. Again. $6.00 that they slip through periodically.

Guess I have to call them. Again.

I’d better check my account, to make sure they haven’t done it to me. Again. They even upped me to home delivery, two months after I cancelled! Of course, I never received a copy!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:52:33pm

re: #33 MsJ

Jesus Christ. The NYT took another month’s subscription amount. Again. $6.00 that they slip through periodically.

Guess I have to call them. Again.

Wow, for that you could subscribe to my right-wing regional newspaper, not worry about the automated withdraws from your account (they’ll take a cheque or money order), and get all your right-wing fascist-curious stuff from them instead of the NYT. For the same price I even get a real newspaper delivered every day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 10:53:02pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

Well, we have to remember what the Supply Side Bible says…

I was hungry and you terminated my SNAP benefits and replaced them with a box of food that I cannot eat since I am diabetic.

I was thirsty and you told me to get a stick and dig for water.

I was a stranger and you despised me because of the color of my skin.

I was naked and you had me arrested for lewdness

I was sick and you forced me to work for Medicaid benefits which terminated when I hit the $5,000 lifetime limit you imposed.

I was in prison and you cheered because it was my third strike.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:01:59pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, we have to remember what the Supply Side Bible says…

I was hungry and you terminated my SNAP benefits and replaced them with a box of food that I cannot eat since I am diabetic.

I was thirsty and you told me to get a stick and dig for water.

I was a stranger and you despised me because of the color of my skin.

I was naked and you had me arrested for lewdness

I was sick and you forced me to work for Medicaid benefits which terminated when I hit the $5,000 lifetime limit you imposed.

I was in prison and you cheered because it was my third strike.

One correction, it’s

I was thirsty and you gave me heavy-metal laden water because it was cheaper to use untreated river water than paying for filtered

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:02:24pm

Several years ago, the eleven counties of the Nebraska Panhandle created an inter-local agreement called “Panhandle Health Group” to provide for mental health care in our area, as we have no such facilities.

The agreement requires the health group to stay solvent (it can’t be supported with taxes). Due to a raft of denials of health insurance claims by commercial insurance companies, the Panhandle Health Group board voted 9-1 to cease operations.

starherald.com

Many people spoke up at the board meeting on how the group had helped them in various ways. Finances being what they are, that doesn’t matter.

The local group says they are not simply going to pull the rug out from their patients and will find them other care. Good luck with that since there is no other care of that type here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:03:04pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

One correct, it’s

I was thirsty and you gave me heavy-metal laden water because it was cheaper to use untreated river water than paying for filtered

Why Praise Ayn Rand! You’re absolutely correct!

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:07:15pm

I was poor and you raised my taxes so your rich buddies could afford another gold-plated yacht while telling me the black guy down the street had it worse than me

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:11:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:21:39pm

I wonder what Respectable Lawyer really thinks?

An Open Letter to Idiot Infowars Reporter Kit Daniels, Who Is a Vile Maggot

Respectable Lawyer takes on Infowars’s reporting conservative fan-fic on the “two” shooters in Florida.

Wonkette has also offered to pay the legal fees of the teen of whom Infowars put up a photo falsely accusing him of the crime. They also tracked down the photo’s source, which was not a person with a similar name to the shooter, but an unrelated person named Marcel Fontaine.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:38:36pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:38:57pm
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Cheechako  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:49:58pm

The worst thing about these a-holes who want to arm the teachers is they will probably want to have the teachers by their own firearm and bullets plus pay for their own training on top.

Heaven forbid my taxes are being used to buy guns for those people who don’t want guns.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:51:58pm

re: #46 Cheechako

The worst thing about these a-holes who want to arm the teachers is they will probably want to have the teachers by their own firearm and bullets plus pay for their own training on top.

Heaven forbid my taxes are being used to buy guns for those people who don’t want guns.

My wife suggested some time ago that if the NRA really wants everyone to have a gun, then the easiest method would be to apply Marxist theory: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Thus, seize all the extra guns from the hoarders and hand them out to everyone else.

Of course, gun manufacturers can’t make any money off a Communist idea like that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:55:31pm

The shirt the kid in the Infowars photo wrongly identifying him as a “second shooter” and obvious communist-globalist-who knows what sympathizer?

They breathlessly put this out as “proof” the kid is a communist.

Communist Party
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:03:16am

re: #16 wheat-dogg

Anymouse, about those cats….

They were originally a Japanese thing that has spread all over Asia. It represents prosperity, so many businesses will have these motorized cats waving one paw - usually the left one, I think - all over Asia and within the Asian diaspora.

en.m.wikipedia.org

…and in nearly every Asian restaurant or store I have seen in Germany.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:05:15am
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:12:53am
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:15:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:19:34am

Second American Olympic athlete (a skier) comes out as gay on television, and also tells Mike Pence and Donald Trump to go pound sand, he’s not going to the White House.

No. I mean, when we have people elected into office that believe in conversion therapy and are trying to strip trans rights in the military, and do these things that are directly attacking the LGBT community, I have no patience. I am so proud to be from the US, and to be from a country where you are able to voice your political opinions and stand up for what you believe in, and I think that when you have a platform, you have to use it, especially when you feel strongly about something.

He talks about why he came out in the clip from CBS, and on the cover of ESPN Magazine. He feels if you have a platform, it is important to speak out for those who do not.

Olympic skier Gus Kenworthy on championing LGBTQ rights

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:20:06am

re: #50 Kragar

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I think this meme still really sums it up:

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:25:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:25:57am

Shooting survivor explains to Don Lemon why she took down Tomi Lahren on social media.

rawstory.com (with video)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:35:03am

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:36:18am
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Cheechako  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:43:24am

Need to make a correction in a comment I made yesterday. We were discussing the financial difficulties red states were having in balancing their budgets. I stated that the Alaska Permanent Fund had a value of $64 Billion. That was at the beginning of January.

Yesterday an article in the local newspaper put that value at $61 Billion this week.

Yep, the markets go up, but then they go down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:45:09am

People keep writing about us reaching a saturation point or even a turning point with gun murders.
That did not happen after Columbine or Sandy Hook. And all we need is another mass murder perpetrated by a “leftist” or an immigrant and we will be back to square one.

Or an incident in which an armed bystander actually does manage to stop the assailant without harming anyone else accidentally and we can abandon the discussion until the next pile of bodies heaps up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:53:32am

Kansas Republican candidate for the US House will not take down his AR-15 giveaway after the school murders in Florida.

nydailynews.com

He is running to unseat Lynn Jenkins (KS-2) … more at the link:

Tannahill called the tragedy “heartbreaking,” but says he will not stop the giveaway, the Kansas City Star reports.

“No individual is for school shootings. It’s heartbreaking … being a parent, our thoughts on that, for me personally, I am a strong believer in the Second Amendment,” Tannahill told the outlet. “I think we need to have a discussion of what can be done, and throwing out comments of displeasure isn’t going to solve it.”

Tannahill says the AR-15 campaign was an effort to support the Second Amendment and the contest had been in the works for a month to coincide with the Kansas Republican Convention this weekend.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:14:16am

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

Kansas Republican candidate for the US House will not take down his AR-15 giveaway after the school murders in Florida.

nydailynews.com

He is running to unseat Lynn Jenkins (KS-2) … more at the link:

They do not retreat, they reload.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:23:53am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not retreat, they reload.

I retreat. That means I can come back another time. I would rather reload somewhere safe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:26:18am

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

I retreat. That means I can come back another time. I would rather reload somewhere safe.

The point is, if he backed down on his AR-15 offer, it would be perceived as a sign of weakness, not reason.

These are the very people who will lead us off a precipice.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:37:09am

LOL

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:40:13am

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹…But I’m condemned to hell, because I at least attempt works, but have no faith.

Then again, when the Bible mentions “Hell”, it usually means this place,

Gehenna, which is much nicer than it was 2000 years ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:43:43am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is, if he backed down on his AR-15 offer, it would be perceived as a sign of weakness, not reason.

These are the very people who will lead us off a precipice.

Not if we can help it.

I don’t suppose there is any way to prevent him from giving away his gun as an inducement to go to the state GOP party convention.

Rep. Lynn Jenkins is a Republican, so I presume the wingnut giving away a gun is trying to primary her. (Good, let the GOP spend money fighting each other.)

I’m not sure how the information could be used against him if he won. I recall Jason Kander’s advert when he was running in Missouri as a Democrat on the position of gun safety. He was in the Army, and assembled an AR-15 blindfolded, saying at the end of the advert “I’d like to see Senator Blunt do this.”

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:45:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:46:02am

Mr. Kander lost his election bid, but the advert is available at the Washington Post.

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:46:04am

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not sure how the information could be used against him if he won. I recall Jason Kander’s advert when he was running in Missouri as a Democrat on the position of gun safety. He was in the Army, and assembled an AR-15 blindfolded, saying at the end of the advert “I’d like to see Senator Blunt do this.”

Because those are the skills that every government official should master….in Somalia.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:52:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:54:10am

Goes to Utah Outcasts, NSFW for language from the hosts.

Obama, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, and Valerie Plame are involved in a secret Illuminati plot to assassinate Donald Trump, or impeach him on lies. Utah Outcasts makes fun of the poor sap. It is a circle-derp of conspiracy theories, of three plans. (6:29)

Some people are just unreachable, and need to be marginalised in the political discourse. While ARPANet was a great invention, perhaps opening it up to the whole public wasn’t a great idea… .

Obama Led Illuminati Assassination Plan Revealed? NAH, Just Another Right Wing Nutbag

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:54:43am

How big are things? From quantum foam to the multiverse.

Universe Size Comparison 3D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:57:43am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Some people are just unreachable, and need to be marginalised in the political discourse. While ARPANet was a great invention, perhaps opening it up to the whole public wasn’t a great idea… .

and that is the point. we have media who treat Trending on Twitter as news in and of itself. People have learned that, starting with Drudge and Breitbart, and of course Russia has perfected it to the point of influencing the outcome of an election in their favor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:09:53am

Saul Alinsky being part of a plot would be a real trick since he’s been dead since I was a kid.

Did he come back from the dead? Or was his death just something THEY want you to think?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:11:33am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Saul Alinsky being part of a plot would be a real trick since he’s been dead since I was a kid.

Did he come back from the dead? Or was his death just something THEY want you to think?

It is irrelevant whether he is alive or dead, just as it is irrelevant whether Obama was President during Hurricane Katrina…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:16:10am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is irrelevant whether he is alive or dead, just as it is irrelevant whether Obama was President during Hurricane Katrina…

And one has to ask if Hillary Clinton was in on the plot to kill President Harrison.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:21:26am

re: #73 Single-handed sailor

Pretty good presentation, until he got to the parallel universe part. The bit about the Big Bang creating many different universes is only a conjecture, since we have no way to test it. On the other end of the scale, the cosmic string theory is also still awaiting experimental verification. But everything in between was pretty well done — a CGI update of the famous Powers of Ten film done by the Eames way back when.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:26:09am

re: #78 wheat-dogg

“Parallel universes”, as in those with a bearded Spock, simply represent the fact that the Universe is endless, but we represent the outcome of a finite (if astronomically improbable) set of possibilities.
I am certain that if we are ever able to travel far and fast enough, we will come to places that are nearly indistinguishable to where we set out from, or perhaps exist at a point in time ahead or behind us.
Will we have we traveled in time or space, and what the heck difference would it make at that point?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:29:06am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Parallel universes”, as in those with a bearded Spock, simply represent the fact that the Universe is endless, but we represent the outcome of a finite (if astronomically improbable) set of possibilities.
I am certain that if we are ever able to travel far and fast enough, we will come to places that are nearly indistinguishable to where we set out from, or perhaps exist at a point in time ahead or behind us.
Will we have we traveled in time or space, and what the heck difference would it make at that point?

We might get to a place where ur-Hillary Clinton is President and ur-Donald Trump is sadly spending his days on ur-Twitter.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:37:08am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Parallel universes”, as in those with a bearded Spock, simply represent the fact that the Universe is endless, but we represent the outcome of a finite (if astronomically improbable) set of possibilities.
I am certain that if we are ever able to travel far and fast enough, we will come to places that are nearly indistinguishable to where we set out from, or perhaps exist at a point in time ahead or behind us.
Will we have we traveled in time or space, and what the heck difference would it make at that point?

If there are parallel universes, many of them would be uninhabitable, with physical properties and laws lethal to “life as we know it.” Of course, with an infinite number of possibilities there would still be quite a few amenable to life. Personally, I think the likelihood of “mirror universes,” to borrow the term from Star Trek, stretches the imagination, because the current state of our universe, and human history, has depended on a huge number of variables. IOW, there’s no guarantee that, if there are parallel universes, that there is a doppelganger of each person in each one, or humans, for that matter.

Still, it’s a compelling thought that in some other universe, Trump lost the election entirely and Clinton won instead and why I can’t I be there now, huh?

We need Cisco’s vibe ability. (TV reference)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:39:09am

re: #80 Anymouse 🌹

We might get to a place where ur-Hillary Clinton is President and ur-Donald Trump is sadly spending his days on ur-Twitter.

Or something more prosaic: a place where you or I are female instead of male.

But some things are just inevitable. I had the rather overwhelming notion when I first met my (ex-)wife that we were going to have children, and despite all the chances we had to get out of that inevitability, we did…four times, even.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:41:17am

re: #81 wheat-dogg

again, we all represent the outcome of a finite, if astronomical set of possibilities. But that is the point: if the Universe is truly astronomically infinite, then these possibilities will start to repeat themselves at some point.

It is just a matter of finding out where.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:45:22am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or something more prosaic: a place where you or I are female instead of male.

But some things are just inevitable. I had the rather overwhelming notion when I first met my (ex-)wife that we were going to have children, and despite all the chances we had to get out of that inevitability, we did…four times, even.

I’m told I look exactly like my mother (sans mammary glands). I have been confused with her before when seen from behind by people who know us both. (My aunt and my mother also dressed me up when I was thirteen as my mother for Hallowe’en in one of her silk dresses, had me take my sister and cousins around town trick-or-treating, and people confused me for her, but that’s another story.)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:45:27am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or something more prosaic: a place where you or I are female instead of male.

But some things are just inevitable. I had the rather overwhelming notion when I first met my (ex-)wife that we were going to have children, and despite all the chances we had to get out of that inevitability, we did…four times, even.

That’s akin to the “great man/woman” idea in history. If, for example, Alexander Graham Bell had not perfected the telephone, someone else would have, and we would still have them now. Perhaps without the Bell Telephone company, though.

Nature abhors a vacuum, as the saying goes. If there is a political vacuum, an opportunist will eventually arise to take advantage of it. Or a society will. The world would be much different now if China, for one, had continued to devote time and resources to naval exploration centuries ago, instead of scrapping its fleet. That vacuum was eventually filled by Europeans, who took full advantage of it.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:49:53am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, we all represent the outcome of a finite, if astronomical set of possibilities. But that is the point: if the Universe is truly astronomically infinite, then these possibilities will start to repeat themselves at some point.

It is just a matter of finding out where.

Yeah, infinity gives you a lot of possibilities, for sure. Getting to these places, though, would be the real trick, as would getting back if you chose a destination poorly.

Speaking of all this, did you all know there is a new Stargate series called Stargate: Origins now? I haven’t had a chance to watch it. There is also supposed to be a new Superman-based series on The CW, delving into the life of his grandfather on Krypton.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:50:18am

BBL. Meeting someone for dinner.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:50:52am

Well, cruising the derpier segments of YouTube, it appears the “Democrat killed seventeen schoolchildren” derp is collapsing, replaced by “atheist killed seventeen schoolchildren.”

Along with the usual “why is this happening in America” (answer: anything but weapons of war available for sale to anyone with a pulse)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:53:23am

re: #86 wheat-dogg

Yeah, infinity gives you a lot of possibilities, for sure. Getting to these places, though, would be the real trick, as would getting back if you chose a destination poorly.

This is something my 5th grade science teacher hit me with: so you travel and travel and come to a place indistinguishable from where you set out from. Have you traveled in a circle or in a straight line, and what is the difference?

Or you come to an identical place except it is one where you have not left yet. Have you traveled in time or in space, and what is the difference?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:54:30am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Well, cruising the derpier segments of YouTube, it appears the “Democrat killed seventeen schoolchildren” derp is collapsing, replaced by “atheist killed seventeen schoolchildren.”

Along with the usual “why is this happening in America” (answer: anything but weapons of war available for sale to anyone with a pulse)

“White supremacist killed seventeen people” is just not getting traction for some reason…

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:56:51am

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is something my 5th grade science teacher hit me with: so you travel and travel and come to a place indistinguishable from where you set out from. Have you traveled in a circle or in a straight line, and what is the difference?

Or you come to an identical place except it is one where you have not left yet. Have you traveled in time or in space, and what is the difference?

Or could you travel in such a way as to see yourself leaving?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:58:43am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“White supremacist killed seventeen people” is just not getting traction for some reason…

WHITE PEEPL CANNOT BE TERRISTS!!

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:59:49am

Yeah, my friend is late, so here I am still.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:04:54am

re: #92 wheat-dogg

WHITE PEEPL CANNOT BE TERRISTS!!

and white supremacist groups cannot be terrorist organizations

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:05:06am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

Yeah, my friend is late, so here I am still.

trapped in a time warp?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:08:33am

A non-commentator over at Wonkette who lives in West Virginia explains why she believes WVa. seems to be so conservative. Her story is about her day and what she saw and did. The whole thing is quite striking, and some of this is something that needs to be addressed to make any progress in such places where poverty, religion, and politicians have a death-grip on the populace.

It’s kind of long so it’s behind the hide bar.

disqus.com

I’m gonna try to make some sense here. Hopefully you’ll have patience with me. This has been on my heart for months now, and WVs current shit show of a legislative session is helping me complete the thought.

A couple weeks before Christmas, I had the weirdest weekend. Millennial Daughter called on a Friday and asked me to ride along with her to the courthouse in my county while she ran an errand there. So I couldn’t say no, she threw in an offer of a late lunch at our local fruity leftist locally sourced organic sandwIch shop. From there, I started a slow slide into “this is not my lifestyle” territory.

MD then invited me to join her and her friend to an art show in Charleston, which is an hour from my house, in the other direction. So off we go to MDs office to pick up her friend/co-worker (who also claims me as her mother).

There we are, walking around looking at art, drinking boxed wine out of clear plastic cups and being generally artsy fartsy when Spare Daughter says “hey I just told Kaili that we’re bringing mom (that’s me) to her house party, she’s excited!”

By the time Spare Daughter’s husband arrived to join us, we’d also promised the violinist from the art show that we’d come listen to her play at a nearby coffee shop/book store/music venue/art gallery where some dude who seemed to know what he was talking about taught me new ways to look at paintings. From there, and after picking up some weird beer that MD likes, we went to Kaili’s apartment over a print shop in a late 19th century building where we listened to two electro pop bands from N.Y. and I traded shirts with a very nice young man named Ryan, or Brian.

Nothing particularly insane, but keep in mind my lifestyle is more about grandkids and cat hair, and this is happening in Charleston WV.

Even though I got home late, Saturday found me driving around in the coal fields part of the state, in search of a particular Fenton vase (Granny has a thing about WV glass) and the poverty was heart breaking. I grew up here, my dad was a coal miner, I’m an unapologetic holler girl, and I thought I knew poverty. I’ve done without. I’ve been on food stamps. As recounted here a while back, I’ve pulled my own tooth because dentists were a luxury not afforded to the likes of me.

I. Knew. Nothing. I still don’t know much, but I know a hell of a lot more than I did before.

There are two West Virginias, one where the libtart do-gooders and the prim, judgy church ladies wander around thinking we are West Virginia, and one where desperately poor men and women put their kids on a bus for a two hour ride to school and a free lunch, then put their kids in a van to be taken to the local Baptist church for some Sunday-go-to-meeting and a free lunch. They do this in spite of the fact that this combination of piss poor education and bible thumping got them nowhere because it gets the kids fed and the nearest grocery store is an hour away and burns through the food stamps real quick since the big chains don’t build out here.

No, they didn’t have to have those kids. But people are gonna have sex. In the best times and the worst times, sex is a near universal way to step out of our lives for a moment and just be close to someone for a while. And when you’re hours from the nearest clinic and can’t afford a car, that sex is gonna cause babies.

Now here’s what this novel has been leading to; Last week I was at the state house protesting the legislature’s newest cynical attempt to throw up roadblocks between the poor women of my beautiful state and their right to abortion care. This law won’t effect me or my girls. My womb is (finally) a rocky place wherein no seed may find purchase, and if my daughters need care, we can afford it. Of the women protesting with me, the only one living in poverty was a trans woman, the men who were with us were lawyers in nice suits. After we’d been there a while, silently holding our signs outside of Senate judiciary chambers with ushers and capitol police keeping us inside our designated first amendment zone, the anti-choice crowd filed past us with their inferior signs and muttering under their breath that we’re going to hell someday soon - and I couldn’t help but notice that with very few exceptions, the women protesting our protest were poor.

We were there to fight for their daughters to have rights equal to our own daughters’, and they were mad at us for it - because when they were poor children their parents sent them off to church for a free meal and the nice ladies who gave them a sandwich taught them all about how Jesus loves the little unborn babies. It kind of makes the fight seem futile, and it knocked the heart out of me for a bit. Nevertheless, we’ll persist. Because we’re right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:26:10am

An article about one of the craziest hashtags on Twitter, Qanon. (I went and looked. Oh, man, I need a shower.)

newsweek.com

Apparently, a 4chan user who goes by the name of Q prognosticates the wildest conspiracy claims, making Alex Jones look sane by comparison. This bubbles up on Twitter under that hashtag.

Perhaps Twitter needs to be nuked from orbit. This stuff is way crazier than folks who used to get high on Mimeograph machine fumes whilst cranking out crank newsletters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:30:05am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

Memories are still alive of a West Virginia where a man with no education or training could make a good living working in the coal mines, afford a house, send his kids to college (if they didn’t wind up having kids as teenagers) and feel proud of himself.

The GOP convinced them that all we need to do is get rid of onerous government health, safety and environmental regulations and everything will will come back, including those well paid jobs…without unions.

Hillary tried to tell them that they needed education and re-training, and they just did not want to listen to that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:31:00am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

An article about one of the craziest hashtags on Twitter, Qanon. (I went and looked. Oh, man, I need a shower.)

newsweek.com

Apparently, a 4chan user who goes by the name of Q prognosticates the wildest conspiracy claims, making Alex Jones look sane by comparison. This bubbles up on Twitter under that hashtag.

Perhaps Twitter needs to be nuked from orbit. This stuff is way crazier than folks who used to get high on Mimeograph machine fumes whilst cranking out crank newsletters.

The problem is not Twitter, it is the news organizations who simply use Twitter as a cheap source of news and see “trending on Twitter” as a news item in itself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:32:42am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hillary Clinton is only one woman. There is an entire network of politicians, corporations, and churches that people have grown up with all their life and trust that tell them differently.

At the same time, as the commentator at Wonkette noted, folks like the churches help feed their children while the government makes sure that things like birth control are difficult to get.

The government and the churches actively work to keep those who are stricken by poverty in poverty.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:33:41am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The problem is not Twitter, it is the news organizations who simply use Twitter as a cheap source of news and see “trending on Twitter” as a news item in itself.

The article notes that occasionally lately, conservative politicians have been espousing things from this conspiracy hashtag.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:36:55am

I suspect another case of stolen valour, by this guy:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:43:51am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

Hillary Clinton is only one woman. There is an entire network of politicians, corporations, and churches that people have grown up with all their life and trust that tell them differently.

And the church has inculcated them with an entire concept of family and values based on father going out and working while mother tends the hearth and home, and parents have the task of keeping their daughters virginally pure and keep them from reproducing until they are married to a man who can afford to support able to support them and their children.

But of course, that does not involve actually telling them how sex works and how to to anything but abstain…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:47:41am

I was not aware that Khizr Khan wrote a book.

This Is Our Constitution: Discover America with a Gold Star Father (goes to Amazon)

From Gold Star father and beloved Democratic National Convention speaker Khizr Khan comes a book for young people about the Constitution—what it says and why it matters for everyone.

Our Founding Fathers created the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights as a blueprint for American government and the rights of American citizens. This document is not merely a piece of parchment but a living, breathing promise of our deepest democratic values.

Khizr Khan grew up in Pakistan, with few of the fundamental rights that are enshrined in the Constitution. He immigrated to America and became a citizen, raising his family to appreciate and honor all our nation has to offer. Khizr Khan is deeply passionate about the Constitution: the guarantees and protections it provides for each and every person and the beacon of light it shines throughout the world.

This Is Our Constitution is a personal journey that Khizr Khan is taking with our nation’s young people.

(more)

The book includes a forward, Mr. Khan writing his personal story, and an afterward.

The hardcover addition is less expensive ($8.95 new) than the Kindle edition.

Perhaps I should buy a copy and donate it to our village public library.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:48:32am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

(cut) But of course, that does not involve actually telling them how sex works and how to to anything but abstain…

And that married women aren’t allowed to refuse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:04:42am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

And that married women aren’t allowed to refuse.

well, they can, but had better be prepared to face some unsavory consequences…

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:04:53am

Had this song stuck in my head since I woke up, thought I would share it. I especially enjoy the playful lyrics.

Placebo - Pure Morning HD (Official)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:17:41am

Rep. Don Bacon (R, NE-2) introduced a bill to correct the problem of Gold Star children being unable to access military facilities (though they maintain their benefits when the surviving parent remarries).

I wrote Rep. Adrian Smith (R, NE-3) asking him to support the bill (I was in that position as a child, my mother chose not to marry until after her children grew up so we would not be blocked from our benefits). Since Adrian Smith has directly said he only represents Republicans, and he knows who I am, I never receive a reply from his office (local or in DC), not even automated E-mail (I am on shred before reading).

Adrian Smith did eventually sponsor the bill, though I never heard about it.

HR 3897 passed the House on the 1st of this month. I just found it on the Congressional Website (no thanks to my Representative, no wait, he’s not my representative, he’s said so).

Senator Deb Fischer (R-NE) has introduced companion legislation in the Senate.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:35:04am

Just about to read Ronan Farrow’s new piece on Trump’s affair with Playmate Karen MacDougal. I listened to an interview with him and he claimed the overriding reason for publishing the article had less to do with the salacious details of the affair but to expose how tabloids help wealthy and powerful men like Trump by “catch and kill” purchases of stories—buying the rights and then killing the story.

newyorker.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:38:01am

re: #109 Barefoot Grin

Just about to read Ronan Farrow’s new piece on Trump’s affair with Playmate Karen MacDougal. I listened to an interview with him and he claimed the overriding reason for publishing the article had less to do with the salacious details of the affair but to expose how tabloids help wealthy and powerful men like Trump by “catch and keep” purchases of stories—buying the rights and then killing the story.

newyorker.com

I don’t understand. It would seem if a tabloid purchased the rights to a story, then they also have leverage (extortion) over the object of the story. “Mr. Trump, do this or we publish.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:48:45am

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t understand. It would seem if a tabloid purchased the rights to a story, then they also have leverage (extortion) over the object of the story. “Mr. Trump, do this or we publish.”

There are also political and ideological considerations.

Fox and the National Enquirer have business models based on certain political viewpoints and ideologies.

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:03:08am

re: #35 retired cynic

Call your bank - don’t bother calling The Grey Lady. The bank will send a special message to your credit card company telling them to stop generating debit transactions against this particular piece of ringworm filth known as the New York Times…

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jeffreyw  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:07:49am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:08:35am

re: #113 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

little red rooster?

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:13:26am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

While ARPANet was a great invention, perhaps opening it up to the whole public wasn’t a great idea…

I firmly believe that someone within DARPA came to the realization the Internet could never be secure in it’s current state - and so they decided to let it out into the wild while DARPA would work on a new “secure” Internet….

Face it, folks: the Internet is permanently broke, because security was never considered a core requirement during it’s design and build-out.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:30:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:31:53am

re: #115 The Major

I firmly believe that someone within DARPA came to the realization the Internet could never be secure in it’s current state - and so they decided to let it out into the wild while DARPA would work on a new “secure” Internet….

Face it, folks: the Internet is permanently broke, because security was never considered a core requirement during it’s design and build-out.

and anonymity was also built in, an aspect of human nature that was overlooked that seriously affected both the Internet and the entire climate of discourse in our nation…and we have now elected a President who speaks and acts like an anonymous Internet troll who fears no consequences of his words.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:32:37am

just because…

Cats that smoke
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:36:42am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo

Couldn’t Democrats have just sent DJT a tweet?

///

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:36:57am

re: #46 Cheechako

The worst thing about these a-holes who want to arm the teachers is they will probably want to have the teachers by their own firearm and bullets plus pay for their own training on top.

Heaven forbid my taxes are being used to buy guns for those people who don’t want guns.

Taking money out of already cash strapped school budgets for guns, ammunition and training would be pretty bad as well. There is nothing about arming teachers for school shoot-outs which is good.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:37:53am

Ew…….. And Ew…… Again.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:38:09am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect another case of stolen valour, by this guy:

Who is this Benghazi person?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:45:02am

re: #122 Sir John Barron

Who is this Benghazi person?

I have no idea. As far as I am aware, just a person on Twitter claiming to have been part of some sort of American armed force there.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:48:08am

re: #122 Sir John Barron

Who is this Benghazi person?

Auto-Blocked…..

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:48:30am

re: #121 Dave In Austin

Ew…….. And Ew…… Again.

[Embedded content]

If a Democratic presidential hopeful even had so much as a friendly relationship with an adult film star, the religious right hacks who suck off Trump would be flipping their shit but it’s okay for Trump because he kisses their Evangelical asses.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:48:59am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Well, cruising the derpier segments of YouTube, it appears the “Democrat killed seventeen schoolchildren” derp is collapsing, replaced by “atheist killed seventeen schoolchildren.”

Along with the usual “why is this happening in America” (answer: anything but weapons of war available for sale to anyone with a pulse)

I thought the reason was The Left destroyed the nuclear family?

//

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:49:13am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

I’d buy several and donate them to the local school libraries.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:50:07am

I love this.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:52:52am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

Second American Olympic athlete (a skier) comes out as gay on television, and also tells Mike Pence and Donald Trump to go pound sand, he’s not going to the White House.

He talks about why he came out in the clip from CBS, and on the cover of ESPN Magazine. He feels if you have a platform, it is important to speak out for those who do not.

[Embedded content]

Yeah America F*ck Yeah, Olympics!

Olympian: I’m gay and Trump/Pence can go pound sand.

Can’t these stupid Olympians just shut their damn yap traps?!?!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:04:48am

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t understand. It would seem if a tabloid purchased the rights to a story, then they also have leverage (extortion) over the object of the story. “Mr. Trump, do this or we publish.”

[Embedded content]

In some circumstances I’m sure that’s the case. The publisher of the National Enquirer is a personal friend of Trump (I always raise my eyebrows because I just can’t imagine Trump having friends), so this is a personal favor, it seems.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:07:29am

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder what Respectable Lawyer really thinks?

An Open Letter to Idiot Infowars Reporter Kit Daniels, Who Is a Vile Maggot

Respectable Lawyer takes on Infowars’s reporting conservative fan-fic on the “two” shooters in Florida.

Wonkette has also offered to pay the legal fees of the teen of whom Infowars put up a photo falsely accusing him of the crime. They also tracked down the photo’s source, which was not a person with a similar name to the shooter, but an unrelated person named Marcel Fontaine.

I’m a little resentful to hear that a bunch of my antifa comrades are over in Syria getting some kind of “training”. Nobody told me about that.

////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:08:01am

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

In some circumstances I’m sure that’s the case. The publisher of the National Enquirer is a personal friend of Trump (I always raise my eyebrows because I just can’t imagine Trump having friends), so this is a personal favor, it seems.

not a friend in our sense, but someone who wants to stay on DT’s good side for reasons of personal gain or ideology

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:10:47am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not a friend in our sense, but someone who wants to stay on DT’s good side for reasons of personal gain or ideology

Yeah, knowing that Trump is purely transactional, that’s the only way to square it.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:11:06am

re: #45 JordanRules

Why is the media everybody making me go pay for and see this black move Black Panther? Wasn’t Blade enough for you people?!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:12:26am

I don’t think any past Republican president would react to the following with anything but action, anger and airstrikes.

Russian Mercenaries Take The Lead In Attacks On US And Allied Forces In Syria

American forces in Syria, along with their local partners, have now weathered two separate attacks from troops fighting on behalf of dictator Bashar Al Assad, one of which almost certainly involved some number of Russian military personnel or contractors from a company called Wagner. Though the United States soundly defeated its opponents in both cases, the incidents could be another sign of increasingly worrisome tensions with Russia in Syria as the situation in the country careens toward a larger regional conflagration.
On Feb. 13, 2018, U.S. personnel called in a air strike, involving an MQ-9 Reaper drone, to destroy a T-72 tank that had been firing at them and members of the American-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the bulk of which are Kurdish fighters, on the eastern side of the Euphrates River near Syria’s strategic city of Deir ez-Zor.

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jeffreyw  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:12:46am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

little red rooster?

Top o’ the world, Ma!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:12:51am

Here’s the paragraph that addresses your point, anymouse:

Six former A.M.I. employees told me that Pecker routinely makes catch-and-kill arrangements like the one reached with McDougal. “We had stories and we bought them knowing full well they were never going to run,” Jerry George, a former A.M.I. senior editor who worked at the company for more than twenty-five years, told me. George said that Pecker protected Trump. “Pecker really considered him a friend,” George told me. “We never printed a word about Trump without his approval.” Maxine Page, who worked at A.M.I. on and off from 2002 to 2012, including as an executive editor at one of the company’s Web sites, said that Pecker also used the unpublished stories as “leverage” over some celebrities in order to pressure them to pose for his magazines or feed him stories. Several former employees said that these celebrities included Arnold Schwarzenegger, as reported by the Los Angeles Times, and Tiger Woods. (Schwarzenegger, through an attorney, denied this claim. Woods did not respond to requests for comment.) “Even though they’re just tabloids, just rags, it’s still a cause of concern,” Page said. “In theory, you would think that Trump has all the power in that relationship, but in fact Pecker has the power—he has the power to run these stories. He knows where the bodies are buried.”

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:17:48am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

A line I see they use that amuses me us “You can’t legislate evil.” You mean we don’t have homicide laws? We don’t punish war criminals? The fact is Republican office holders are nothing but a bunch of cowards who do the gun lobby’s work. They say it’s about people’s rights but what about our kids’ right to feel safe at school. I’m sorry but fuck Wingnut Wayne and his delusions about how he needs an AR-15 to protect himself.

we cant stop them all
we cant stop the evil ones

with 30k or so deaths a year, we can cut that number way way down

one way is laws that are enforced that punish people for their reckless, lazy, negligent bad acts. strict, almost draconian laws that target their freedom, finances and future 2A rights.

that threat (mostly the money part) will start to get most people to be more careful and responsible.

a lot. not all.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:18:11am

Again, this is not getting the wire it needs. This Para.:

Among the victims in Las Vegas were 36 women and 22 men; 51 were killed by a single shot, while seven were hit by multiple rounds; 34 suffered fatal gunshot wounds to the body, while 21 were struck in the head or neck and three were struck in their extremities. In addition, 851 people were injured in the attack, including 422 who suffered non-fatal wounds from gunfire.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:19:37am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

The GOP/NRA have broken the nation. They don’t care. There’s profit to be made on the corpses of those kids. Guns to be sold. Ammo to be sold.

Police state to be sold. Security to be sold.

Health care? You’re on your own.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:20:05am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

They are not pro-life. Conservatism is a death cult. Since it is projection with them always, that would mean liberals are pro-life.

We’re the ones who want comprehensive sex education, accessible and safe birth control methods, access to healthcare for all, reasonable gun safety regulations (even the NRA’s safety recommendations written into law would be a start), &c.

Conservatism has always needed blood sacrifices to feed the fear of conservatives. It is a religion.

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:22:58am

*holds envelope to forehead*

Compassion, empathy, and regard for human life.

*Rips off end of envelope to extract card*

Name three things the GOP gave up for Lent.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:28:46am

re: #142 Targetpractice

Oh Karnak…. can I borrow for twitter?

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:30:31am

re: #143 lawhawk

Oh Karnak…. can I borrow for twitter?

Go for it.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:30:32am

Blue wave opportunity.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:35:34am

re: #140 lawhawk

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The GOP/NRA have broken the nation. They don’t care. There’s profit to be made on the corpses of those kids. Guns to be sold. Ammo to be sold.

Police state to be sold. Security to be sold.

Health care? You’re on your own.

They say this on a network that had a guy saying “well at least Neo Nazis are citizens rather than DACA kids”, a network that routinely belittles people who want better wages, and of course I haven’t even mentioned the man they think is a great president.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:36:59am

re: #143 lawhawk

Just for Lent? I thought Lent is when you give up something you already had.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:40:01am

Marco Rubio says we need to know all the facts about the shooting before we start talking about gun control. of course by then there will have been another shooting we need all the facts about before talking gun control, then another, and another, and unfortunately we’ll never have enough facts before we can talk about gun control.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:40:47am

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

Marco Rubio says we need to know all the facts about the shooting before we start talking about gun control. of course by then there will have been another shooting we need all the facts about before talking gun control, then another, and another, and unfortunately we’ll never have enough facts before we can talk about gun control.

It’s one of the cycles that needs to end, and I think the kids at the school are the ones to break it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:42:28am

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

Marco Rubio says we need to know all the facts about the shooting before we start talking about gun control.

There are certain facts he would like to overlook, like the shooter’s association with a White Supremacist organization.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:48:36am

That wingnut school shooter sure loves his MAGA hat.

cnn.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:51:17am

re: #122 Sir John Barron

Who is this Benghazi person?

Somebody who gives Trump a pass for four military men killed in Niger.

Trump Lied and Four Died in Niger but IOKIYAR when a Republican does it!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:58:16am

Sid Sid Sid…… Cartoon Cowboy

That’s Who I Am

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:59:47am

re: #153 Dave In Austin

“That’s my personality — that’s who I am.” #txlege #tx2018 #ttevents pic.twitter.com

— Texas Tribune

Oh, OK. That makes it fine.

//

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:00:04am

re: #113 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Morning!

I see a cardinal has decide he is king of the hill.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:01:01am

re: #154 Sir John Barron

Oh, OK. That makes it fine.

//

and he will cry bloody murder if people call him out on it or expect him to see any personal, social or financial consequences from it.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:03:58am

re: #151 bill d. (b.d.)

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cnn.com

At least this guy is still alive, plenty of time for him to keep talking, explaining himself, making it more difficult for the conspiracy theories to overwhelm….oh wait, who am I kidding…..

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:05:07am

re: #152 Joe Bacon 🌹

Somebody who gives Trump a pass for four military men killed in Niger.

Trump Lied and Four Died in Niger but IOKIYAR when a Republican does it!

His/her tweet sounded like he/she was in the middle of the attack or personally knew those who were killed. But otherwise, yeah just sounded like a typical wingnut.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:07:44am

re: #153 Dave In Austin

Sid Sid Sid…… Cartoon Cowboy

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Yet another Republican TexAssHole.

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Interesting Times  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:11:21am

More evidence (as if you needed it) that GOPers are sociopathic, chickenshit little bully-trolls with no redeeming qualities to speak of:

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danarchy  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:21:42am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are certain facts he would like to overlook, like the shooter’s association with a White Supremacist organization.

Law enforcement has said they have found no link between the shooter and that group and the guy who claimed there was has walked it back basically saying “Oops, I thought it was another Nicholas…lay off me I haven’t had a nap and it is all the JEWS fault!!!!”

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VaughnIAM  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:23:53am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

re: #122 Sir John Barron
Who is this Benghazi person?
I have no idea. As far as I am aware, just a person on Twitter claiming to have been part of some sort of American armed force there.

CIA hired contractor in Benghazi. In other words a mercenary.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:24:37am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

If a Democratic presidential hopeful even had so much as a friendly relationship with an adult film star, the religious right hacks who suck off Trump would be flipping their shit but it’s okay for Trump because he kisses their Evangelical asses.

You didn’t hear? Trump stopped winning when he was elected.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:24:39am

re: #161 danarchy

Law enforcement has said they have found no link between the shooter and that group and the guy who claimed there was has walked it back basically saying “Oops, I thought it was another Nicholas…lay off me I haven’t had a nap and it is all the JEWS fault!!!!”

Instead, they should focus on the fact that he was abusive to his girlfriend and liked to wear his MAGA hat.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:29:29am

re: #163 Mike Lamb

You didn’t hear? Trump stopped winning when he was elected.

Sinning not winning. Edit function is messed up on the iPad.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:30:52am

I was reading through the Twitter timeline of one of the students who survived the shooting, and I think the way this story needs to be told in that same order. The reason is that, when you get to the 13th, you know what’s coming, but the person doesn’t. A story based on this, would, after showing everything that happened, show all of the kids getting ready for a high school Valentine’s day. I would actually leave the shooter out of that last part.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:37:00am

re: #165 Mike Lamb

Sinning not winning. Edit function is messed up on the iPad.

Well, he pretty much stopped winning, too, on a lot of fronts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:58:14am

*vomit*

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Weaselone  Feb 16, 2018 • 7:58:37am

re: #162 VaughnIAM

re: #122 Sir John Barron
Who is this Benghazi person?
I have no idea. As far as I am aware, just a person on Twitter claiming to have been part of some sort of American armed force there.

CIA hired contractor in Benghazi. In other words a mercenary.

If he was a CIA armed contractor, wouldn’t he know that the “video lie” was boiler plate cooked up by the very same CIA he was working for in order to hide their operations there?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:00:14am
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Interesting Times  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:01:29am

Ooooh-kay…NOW we now why Pres. Obama lives rent-free in Cheeto Benito’s surrealistically-coifed head:

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jeffreyw  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:10:09am

re: #155 ObserverArt

Morning!

I see a cardinal has decide he is king of the hill.

cardin-al-doodle-do!

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:10:57am

So, is Infrastructure Week over now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:12:29am

she’s running for Tom Massie’s seat:

In the wake of mass shooting at a Florida high school, a Northern Kentucky Congressional candidate is calling for a ban on assault weapons.

For Patti Piatt it goes beyond just politics.

Piatt , a Democratic candidate for the 4th Congressional District, issued a statement saying anytime a shooting like this occurs, it strikes a nerve. Her son died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in February 2014.

She said she fully understands the desperation of the parents who lost their children in the Wednesday shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

“Watching others lose a child and knowing what they feel brings it all back,” said Piatt, of Bellevue, Ky.

“I don’t have a problem with responsible gun owners

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:13:24am

I don’t know about all of you, but I am getting crushed by the TV people going through mentions of all the deaths at the Florida school.

I think back on what I was like at 15/16 and the stuff I had going on and my dreams for the future…and then to think of where I am at 63 and how much I would have missed.

I was watching Ali Velshi (MSNBC) go through the list and he was getting all choked up by about the 8th mention and struggled to finish. I had to change channels…I could no longer see it well anyway through wet eyes.

Damn this world sometimes. America, what?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:13:47am

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

This is the insane calculus we’ve developed instead of dealing directly with the problem of how easy it is to acquire mass casualty conducive self-loading arms.

That is beyond insane. It is full stop horror.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:15:52am

“President Obama was the most divisive President ever”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:16:19am

re: #170 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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DACA you mean the program you ended? You’re full of shit, Donnie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:17:11am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

“President Obama was the most divisive President ever”

[Embedded content]

I’m so sick of right wing propaganda bullshit.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:20:19am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

DACA you mean the program you ended? You’re full of shit, Donnie.

simply.reverse.your.decision.
problem solved
end

he said he would veto anything that wasnt exactly his proposal
he knew full well.
he’s actively though quietly helping to scuttle any deal
he wants the “issue” to remain live

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:23:55am

re: #180 dangerman

simply.reverse.your.decision.
problem solved
end

he said he would veto anything that wasnt exactly his proposal
he knew full well.
he’s actively though quietly helping to scuttle any deal
he wants the “issue” to remain live

Exactly.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:26:43am

re: #175 ObserverArt

The two sisters interviewed on CNN this morning had me sobbing as I was trying to get ready for work. One was hiding from the shooter and texting the other to tell their parents how much she loved them.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:30:39am

re: #182 Flying Squirrel Girl

The two sisters interviewed on CNN this morning had me sobbing as I was trying to get ready for work. One was hiding from the shooter and texting the other to tell their parents how much she loved them.

My hope is that these kids trigger a nationwide movement of students with the common purpose of getting government off its ass to do something.

Concern coming from potential victims of school shootings will be harder to ignore, especially if they put eloquent and media-savvy teens out front. And it may force more parents to get involved.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:31:22am

re: #183 makeitstop

My hope is that these kids trigger a nationwide movement of students with the common purpose of getting government off its ass to do something.

Concern coming from potential victims of school shootings will be harder to ignore, especially if they put eloquent and media-savvy teens out front. And it may force more parents to get involved.

My hope is that they themselves decide to run for public office.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:31:43am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

My hope is that they themselves decide to run for public office.

YES!!

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:31:44am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

“President Obama was the most divisive President ever”

Thomas Bishop
@bishopk0s
Laura Ingraham says #LeBronJames should “shut up and dribble” and leave political comments to people who didn’t leave high school a year early.

10:59 PM - Feb 15, 2018

What the fuck is she talking about? LeBron graduated from St. Vincent-St. Mary High in Cleveland. It is my understanding he was a decent student at a high school that was very much like I attended. A college prep school. A good education. He did not go to college. It doesn’t seem to have hurt him. He is well spoken, runs a talent business, etc.

Is she pissed off because he has been wildly successful? Is she pissed off he has stayed out of controversy and seems to be a heck of a family man? Is she pissed he has made enough money to buy an NBA team, maybe produce movies…that he can do whatever he likes?

What a hateful person she is. But we knew that, it is a requirement to work at Fox.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:32:21am

re: #183 makeitstop

My hope is that these kids trigger a nationwide movement of students with the common purpose of getting government off its ass to do something.

Concern coming from potential victims of school shootings will be harder to ignore, especially if they put eloquent and media-savvy teens out front. And it may force more parents to get involved.

We need a movement that is identified with faces. That has been generally absent in “the resistance” as we know it. Victims speaking out and demanding that something be done to prevent more victims.

This will be difficult because we know what the current Internet climate of discourse will make of these people…

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:33:23am

re: #182 Flying Squirrel Girl

The two sisters interviewed on CNN this morning had me sobbing as I was trying to get ready for work. One was hiding from the shooter and texting the other to tell their parents how much she loved them.

I saw that too. That got me started.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:33:55am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We need a movement that is identified with faces. That has been generally absent in “the resistance” as we know it. Victims speaking out and demanding that something be done to prevent more victims.

This will be difficult because we know what the current Internet climate of discourse will make of these people…

To their credit, they don’t seem to be afraid of what the internet will say.

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:34:25am

re: #165 Mike Lamb

Sinning not winning. Edit function is messed up on the iPad.

Heh. Works either way……

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:35:29am

re: #186 ObserverArt

What the fuck is she talking about? LeBron graduated from St. Vincent-St. Mary High in Cleveland. It is my understanding he was a decent student at a high school that was very much like I attended. A college prep school. A good education. He did not go to college. It doesn’t seem to have hurt him. He is well spoken, runs a talent business, etc.

Is she pissed off because he has been wildly successful? Is she pissed off he has stayed out of controversy and seems to be a heck of a family man? Is she pissed he has made enough money to buy an NBA team, maybe produce movies…that he can do whatever he likes?

What a hateful person she is. But we knew that, it is a requirement to work at Fox.

She is pissed of because he has both a non-white skin color and an opinion

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:35:29am

re: #186 ObserverArt

What the fuck is she talking about? LeBron graduated from St. Vincent-St. Mary High in Cleveland. It is my understanding he was a decent student at a high school that was very much like I attended. A college prep school. A good education. He did not go to college. It doesn’t seem to have hurt him. He is well spoken, runs a talent business, etc.

Is she pissed off because he has been wildly successful? Is she pissed off he has stayed out of controversy and seems to be a heck of a family man? Is she pissed he has made enough money to buy an NBA team, maybe produce movies…that he can do whatever he likes?

What a hateful person she is. But we knew that, it is a requirement to work at Fox.

She’s really awful. LeBron, IIRC, was raised with care and love by his mother who taught him hard work and respect. He’s everything she and her like bleat about. I loath her a little more for how she ostentatiously displays her cross necklaces.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:36:13am

re: #183 makeitstop

My hope is that these kids trigger a nationwide movement of students with the common purpose of getting government off its ass to do something.

Concern coming from potential victims of school shootings will be harder to ignore, especially if they put eloquent and media-savvy teens out front. And it may force more parents to get involved.

Yeah, all the kids I’ve seen so far are pretty sharp. You can tell it was a very good school and they were doing a great job of educating their students. They will make great anti-gun violence spokespeople.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:36:51am

re: #186 ObserverArt

She’s pissed because he’s a successful black man. Bottom line.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:40:18am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s pissed because he’s a successful black man. Bottom line.

She’s be fine with that if he was insane. See Ben Carson and Herman Caine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:42:34am

re: #195 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Agreed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:42:42am

re: #195 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She’s be fine with that if he was insane. See Ben Carson and Herman Caine.

people like that are allowed to express white men’s opinions

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:45:15am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

people like that are allowed to express white men’s opinions

She likes them because they mostly prefer to express white man’s opinions.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:45:58am

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:46:17am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

Not yet. Can’t wait.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:46:24am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

Laura Ingraham says #LeBronJames should “shut up and dribble” and leave political comments to people who didn’t leave high school a year early. pic.twitter.com

— Thomas Bishop

I’m curious who the audience is Ingraham is directing this at. Is she worried there are among her viewers people who might be misled from the conservative path by listening to LeBron? I doubt there’s a viewer watching her who follows LeBron. So, what then is the point of this little tantrum of hers?

Yes, these are rhetorical questions I’m posing.

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:46:41am

How did I not realize that Black Panther is in IMAX 3D?

Now I have to go to a theater. Usually I prefer to wait for things to come to cable, but…

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:46:54am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

NO SPOILERS…. Can’t go until after the weekend.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:46:55am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

I’m hoping to see it tomorrow - there’s a matinee at my local cinema. It’s getting strong positive reviews, that’s for sure.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:47:57am

re: #186 ObserverArt

What the fuck is she talking about? LeBron graduated from St. Vincent-St. Mary High in Cleveland. It is my understanding he was a decent student at a high school that was very much like I attended. A college prep school. A good education. He did not go to college. It doesn’t seem to have hurt him. He is well spoken, runs a talent business, etc.

Is she pissed off because he has been wildly successful? Is she pissed off he has stayed out of controversy and seems to be a heck of a family man? Is she pissed he has made enough money to buy an NBA team, maybe produce movies…that he can do whatever he likes?

What a hateful person she is. But we knew that, it is a requirement to work at Fox.

I thought going to college was the new Bad Thing Elites Do to the RWNJ anyway?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:49:11am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

No. There are too many white girls getting beaten up in the Black Panther Massacre.
/

I’ll see it next weekend. I need to replace my glasses before go to a movie.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:49:51am

Have wingnuts returned to espousing the virtues of college again, or is this a one-time thing to complain about LeBron?

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Weaselone  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:51:06am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

Is this actionable? Lebron like most big name players actually makes most of his income off his name. That he graduated high school is an indisputable fact and Laura lying about it to millions of people obviously imposes a financial cost.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:53:35am

I will see it Sunday.

I’ve heard that T’Challa will become the Tony Stark figure in the next phase of the universe. Between Wakanda saving the world in Avengers, and Captain Marvel being one of the most powerful heroes in the upcoming universe, I hope the white supremacists heads explode.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:54:50am

re: #192 Barefoot Grin

She’s really awful. LeBron, IIRC, was raised with care and love by his mother who taught him hard work and respect. He’s everything she and her like bleat about. I loath her a little more for how she ostentatiously displays her cross necklaces.

It’s almost as if Ingraham is trying to stir up her audience’s racism.

I mean, I know it can’t be that, but—-

////

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:55:24am

Something that occurred to me this morning about the shooter: since he was a former student, he very likely participated in active shooter drills and would have known exactly how the students would react.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:55:36am

Oh look, I got a response email back from my good friend Ohio Senator Rob Portman. I might have to turn this one into a page.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:55:39am

I joined LGF in April 2016. before that i lurked for years.

i had, and still have, some rather different ideas about gun accountability vs “gun control” than most.

i believe there can be slow and steady incremental change that will reduce the carnage. With laws that mostly focus on the bad and/or reckless apples. When people are punished for stupid, dangerous, or negligent behavior - not storing securely, selling or trading with people who shouldnt have guns, not controlling their weapons at all times, i think other people will voluntarily start to behave better. Because they see what happens. and it’s in their self interest.

i think big sweeping ideas - bans, registrations, mandatory and recurrent training, insurance requirements, etc will be fought tooth and nail and so are non starters.

i think promote responsibility, like the nra “says”. punish those who demonstrate they arent. these are salable ideas. if the pro-guns wont get on board with this - punishing the demonstrably reckless- then they truly want rights with no responsibilities or consequences. we may know this already. it’s never been tried legislatively, explicitly and in the public light.

i may be right. i may be wrong.

so i wrote two articles back then to see what others might think. i figured you for a sober and rational bunch - and you / we are. they were preliminary and incomplete. and i got so depressed watching the never ending carnage that i gave up trying to evolve my ideas. i’ve got stacks of notes and ideas.

here’s one
here’s the other

it is two years later
no i didnt expect anything specific to happen.
and wow has it got worse. more incidents. more dead

and asinine positions of “thoughts and prayers”, “there’s nothing we can do” are actually winning the day over anything, anything at all that’s constructive.

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Interesting Times  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:56:37am

re: #212 ObserverArt

Oh look, I got a response email back from my good friend Ohio Senator Rob Portman. I might have to turn this one into a page.

You mean he/his staffers actually bothered to send something beyond a meaningless, boilerplate form letter?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:57:04am

I mean, I know conservatives hate being accused of racism all the time, and many if most conservatives are in fact not racist, but what explains this Ingraham rant?

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:57:52am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

I’ve been drooling over the fandango page… it’s apparently IMAX 3D.

Which means I have to go to a theater; usually I prefer to wait for movies to come to cable, but not this time.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 8:58:58am

re: #215 Sir John Barron

I mean, I know conservatives hate being accused of racism all the time, and many if most conservatives are in fact not racist, but what explains this Ingraham rant?

Are you racist if you use other people’s racism as a weapon? Yep.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:00:33am

re: #215 Sir John Barron

I mean, I know conservatives hate being accused of racism all the time, and many if most conservatives are in fact not racist, but what explains this Ingraham rant?

I mean, is there literally not anything more interesting in the news for her to talk about, to try to inform her viewers about? Or is it the fact that RWNJ cannot tolerate dissent of any kind, that anyone criticizing their MAGA POTUS must be called out, especially if they’re a certain color?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:00:46am

For those who are interested Wiki has a synopsis of the Black Panther film.

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danarchy  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:01:50am

re: #208 Weaselone

Is this actionable? Lebron like most big name players actually makes most of his income off his name. That he graduated high school is an indisputable fact and Laura lying about it to millions of people obviously imposes a financial cost.

She didn’t actually lie. She said he “attempted” to leave high school early. After his junior year he petitioned the league to allow him to join the NBA draft at 17.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:03:50am

re: #199 Belafon

Anyone seen Black Panther yet?

Saw it last night. Was pretty good.
The theater was was well represented by (and I mean this with all respect) our African American brothers and sisters.
And I felt totally safe. And I know all this pisses of certain people.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:05:26am

And, if you wonder what impact a movie can have, go read some of the reviews.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:06:39am

re: #214 Interesting Times

You mean he/his staffers actually bothered to send something beyond a meaningless, boilerplate form letter?

Many times his responses are generalized, and could be thought as boilerplate because they are cut and paste to whoever contacts him. But, he always goes on and on about what he is doing to whatever the topic is you contacted him about. I chose “2nd Amendment Rights” as the topic.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:08:20am

All three vids straight off YouTube for those with twitter access blocked behind the clicky.
And, I reiterate JJ’s advice
“Coffee cups down. #keyboardwarning

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:09:35am

re: #222 Belafon

And, if you wonder what impact a movie can have, go read some of the reviews.

I listen to a film review podcast from BBC. They had a really good interview with Lupita Nyong’o that made me excited to see the film. Actually, I am not normally interested in Marvel or DC-based movies.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:12:04am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:12:06am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trapped in a time warp?

Again?

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:12:55am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:15:13am

re: #226 JordanRules

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Tillerson is a solo act, and I mean that literally. Anything he says or does is likely to be repudiated in a Trump tweet. Its total amateur hour.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:15:14am

re: #226 JordanRules

“Where would be the best place for a Trump Hotel in Kurdish areas?”

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:16:00am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

All three vids straight off YouTube for those with twitter access blocked behind the clicky.
And, I reiterate JJ’s advice
“Coffee cups down. #keyboardwarning

[Embedded content]

I’m scared. ///

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:18:04am

re: #230 Belafon

“Where would be the best place for a Trump Hotel in Kurdish areas?”

Something that pisses me off is that the fact that Trump used a meeting with the Georgian PM to promote a real estate deal for a Trump Tower (which was being funded like a money laundering operation) and it just got completely ignored because of the Porter fiasco despite being a blatant violation of the emoluments clause. I hope Mueller puts someone on it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:18:56am

re: #231 makeitstop

I’m scared. ///

Even an idiot with an AR-15 can kill a lot of people.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:19:53am

re: #231 makeitstop

I’m scared. ///

You should at least be somewhat concerned.

No matter how much a collection of clowns they appear to be, there is a high likelihood they are delusional, to some extent, and probably have access to real firearms.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:20:15am

Here’s something scary:

Imagine being ready to see Black Panther and catching the opening scene of Fifty Shades instead.

comicbook.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:20:51am

To be fair, Clint Eastwood has been an elected official too. He served one term as Mayor of Carmel-by-the-Sea

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:23:05am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:23:19am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

You know these fucktards have memorized every word of Red Dawn.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:23:23am

re: #229 Big Beautiful Door

Tillerson is a solo act, and I mean that literally. Anything he says or does is likely to be repudiated in a Trump tweet. Its total amateur hour.

And this known now, so do they even care what he has to say? Waste of time unless there are “business” deals to discuss I suppose.

re: #230 Belafon

“Where would be the best place for a Trump Hotel in Kurdish areas?”

Yup.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:24:41am

re: #236 FormerDirtDart

To be fair, Clint Eastwood has been an elected official too. He served one term as Mayor of Carmel-by-the-Sea

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A better analogy would be Scott Baio & the countless has beens FNC has had. I’m not against conservative celebs expressing their opinions. It’s their country too but conservative talking heads like Laura should shut up about Lebron given they promoted Reagan and later Trumps political career.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:27:15am

re: #160 Interesting Times

More evidence (as if you needed it) that GOPers are sociopathic, chickenshit little bully-trolls with no redeeming qualities to speak of:

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What does this mean…crumbs? I don’t get it.

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Weaselone  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:29:01am

re: #228 Ace-o-aces

Teachers are generally looking after around 20 children, plus occasionally actually teaching, so their focus cannot and will not be 100% on the firearm they are carrying. That’s a recipe for disaster.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:29:30am

re: #236 FormerDirtDart

Fox has no problem getting on celebrities like James Woods, Scott Baio, and twitterati like Diamond and Silk who are famous for being famous or something.

They have zero actual policy experience or knowledge, but we’re supposed to treat them with respect.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:30:22am

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:06am

My parents threw this exact (almost word for word) argument at me: The US had fallen from the grace of God and God removed His protection from us and allowed Satan to enter and do whatever he wants. oh…and if you are not for God, you are against God.

So dead kids at school is what happens if you don’t make God happy.

I don’t even know what to say to this kind of violent, retributive Mafia Don vision of God.

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:34am

re: #241 MsJ

What does this mean…crumbs? I don’t get it.

Pelosi said that the tax cut was crumbs to the working class.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:35am

re: #109 Barefoot Grin

Just about to read Ronan Farrow’s new piece on Trump’s affair with Playmate Karen MacDougal. I listened to an interview with him and he claimed the overriding reason for publishing the article had less to do with the salacious details of the affair but to expose how tabloids help wealthy and powerful men like Trump by “catch and kill” purchases of stories—buying the rights and then killing the story.

newyorker.com

NPR was covering a bit of that this morning as I was on my way to work.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:38am

re: #243 lawhawk

Fox has no problem getting on celebrities like James Woods, Scott Baio, and twitterati like Diamond and Silk who are famous for being famous or something.

They have zero actual policy experience or knowledge, but we’re supposed to treat them with respect.

Exactly. And as I said I’m fine with them expressing their opinions but FNC and the right have no room to talk especially given the issues Lebron has talked about directly impact him.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:51am
This is a film that does not merely pass the Bechdel test, it demolishes it.

theatlantic.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:31:55am

For those with twitter access block, here’s a link to the image
Image: DWHjJrXUQAALlMQ.jpg

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:32:45am

re: #246 Stanley Sea

Ahhh okay. Thanks.
Heartless bastards.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:32:56am

re: #228 Ace-o-aces

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Weaselone  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:33:00am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

It doesn’t even make sense. So the British, Germans, Italians, French, Canadians, Japanese, Chinese, Indians are better Christians?

Also, just tell them you expect they’ll have been roasting for a good while by the time you get there.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:33:01am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

“Fuck y’all”?

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:33:33am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

You should at least be somewhat concerned.

No matter how much a collection of clowns they appear to be, there is a high likelihood they are delusional, to some extent, and probably have access to real firearms.

They marched up a small hill and were huffing and puffing after about a minute and a half.

I’m a senior citizen and I’m in better shape than those clowns.

If they want to take on the US government, I say let ‘em and they deserve everything coming to them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:33:43am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

My parents threw this exact (almost word for word) argument at me: The US had fallen from the grace of God and God removed His protection from us and allowed Satan to enter and do whatever he wants. oh…and if you are not for God, you are against God.

So dead kids at school is what happens if you don’t make God happy.

I don’t even know what to say to this kind of violent, retributive Mafia Don vision of God.

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

Prayer was never taken out. I’m sick of this lie. I know it’s a lie because I prayed in school after my Nana died. It wasn’t loud nor was it forced which is how prayer should be. And Sean should shut his fat mouth given what Wintrich tried to do and what Bevin in KY is doing.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:34:37am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

Your god is dead. No one cares? If there is a hell, I’ll see you there? /nin

Seriously though, the retributive and angry god seems displeased by any number of things.

Maybe it’s because we don’t do more about climate change, or that we have folks fighting overseas in wars, or that we don’t have universal care, or … you get the idea.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:35:34am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:35:36am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Chris has screengrabs of all those folks on Fox and stresses their right to speak while shining a big light on the hypocrisy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:35:44am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:35:54am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

My parents threw this exact (almost word for word) argument at me: The US had fallen from the grace of God and God removed His protection from us and allowed Satan to enter and do whatever he wants. oh…and if you are not for God, you are against God.

So dead kids at school is what happens if you don’t make God happy.

I don’t even know what to say to this kind of violent, retributive Mafia Don vision of God.

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

So half of wingnutville is trying to say FALSE FLAG!, another half is DONT POLITICIZE THIS TRAGEDY LETS NOT JUMP TO ANY HASTY CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE KNOW THE FACTS and another half is saying SEE YOU PEOPLE KIDS DESERVED IT BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELVES BECAUSE GOD.

I know my halves don’t add up but….

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:37:23am

re: #261 Sir John Barron

Venn diagram it… there’s overlap between your halves :)

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Skip Intro  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:38:27am

Police Respond to Report of Gunfire at Highline College in Des Moines, Washington

thedailybeast.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:38:55am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:38:55am

re: #261 Sir John Barron

So half of wingnutville is trying to say FALSE FLAG!, another half is DONT POLITICIZE THIS TRAGEDY LETS NOT JUMP TO ANY HASTY CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE KNOW THE FACTS and another half is saying SEE YOU PEOPLE KIDS DESERVED IT BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELVES BECAUSE GOD.

I know my halves don’t add up but….

I have brainwashed family members uttering the same BS that Scottish Dragon also experiences. The lesson I learned long ago is that you cannot engage in a battle of wits with people who are unarmed. That’s why I cut them off.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:39:01am

re: #260 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Has all the talking points.

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:39:04am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

My parents threw this exact (almost word for word) argument at me: The US had fallen from the grace of God and God removed His protection from us and allowed Satan to enter and do whatever he wants. oh…and if you are not for God, you are against God.

So dead kids at school is what happens if you don’t make God happy.

I don’t even know what to say to this kind of violent, retributive Mafia Don vision of God.

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

My fundy cousin once told her mother that since she was a non-believer she would be going to hell. My aunt told her that her husband and most of their friends were (or would end up) there, she was OK with that. I don’t believe the subject was raised again…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:39:48am

re: #263 Skip Intro

Police Respond to Report of Gunfire at Highline College in Des Moines, Washington

thedailybeast.com

I guess it’s too soon right owned by the NRA Ryan?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:42:11am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

I guess it’s too soon right owned by the NRA Ryan?

Hey, now hold on, it may be a brown guy shooting…..which would change everything.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:43:49am

So I learned last night that Wakanda apparently borders Zamunda!
ROFL!!!

Lots of great “Coming to America” cosplay at BP premiers last night.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:44:58am

So let me see if I understand this correctly. If an American is killed on American soil by a Muslim or illegal immigrant, then the death is a tragedy and must be avenged by expelling the Muslim or illegal immigrant and imposing broad immigration restrictions all around.

If, however, the American, or Americans are killed on American soil by a legal citizen, white guy with a gun, then the victims brought it on themselves by not allowing formal coercive prayer in schools? Is that about right?

///

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:46:53am

re: #271 Sir John Barron

So let me see if I understand this correctly. If an American is killed on American soil by a Muslim or illegal immigrant, then the death is a tragedy and must be avenged by expelling the Muslim or illegal immigrant and imposing broad immigration restrictions all around.

If, however, the American, or Americans are killed on American soil by a legal citizen, white guy with a gun, then the victims brought it on themselves by not allowing formal coercive prayer in schools? Is that about right?

///

But what if the shooter’s last name is Hispanic?
/

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:46:59am

re: #246 Stanley Sea

Pelosi said that the tax cut was crumbs to the working class.

Which relates to school shootings…in some way? That was about school shootings, no?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:47:37am

re: #261 Sir John Barron

So half of wingnutville is trying to say FALSE FLAG!, another half is DONT POLITICIZE THIS TRAGEDY LETS NOT JUMP TO ANY HASTY CONCLUSIONS UNTIL WE KNOW THE FACTS and another half is saying SEE YOU PEOPLE KIDS DESERVED IT BROUGHT IT ON YOURSELVES BECAUSE GOD.

I know my halves don’t add up but….

They don’t have to. The venn diagrams overlap….

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:48:44am

re: #273 MsJ

Which relates to school shootings…in some way? That was about school shootings, no?

You’re doing that logic thing again.

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Interesting Times  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:49:13am

re: #273 MsJ

Which relates to school shootings…in some way? That was about school shootings, no?

They’re TrumpenGOPers. They don’t have to make sense or conform to remotely recognizable rules of logic - they just have to be insulting, intimidating, distracting, and trollish.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:49:14am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

My God.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:50:15am

Come here Mr. Mueller, Stormy’s in the swing
Her NDA’s gone and now that girl can sing
She ain’t under no duress
Stormy’s got a stained gold dress…

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:51:16am

lololololololol

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:51:45am

re: #278 Joe Bacon 🌹

Come here Mr. Mueller, Stormy’s in the swing
Her NDA’s gone and now that girl can sing
She ain’t under no duress
Stormy’s got a stained gold dress…

No! It’s BLUE!!!!

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:53:00am

re: #271 Sir John Barron

So let me see if I understand this correctly. If an American is killed on American soil by a Muslim or illegal immigrant, then the death is a tragedy and must be avenged by expelling the Muslim or illegal immigrant and imposing broad immigration restrictions all around.

If, however, the American, or Americans are killed on American soil by a legal citizen, white guy with a gun, then the victims brought it on themselves by not allowing formal coercive prayer in schools? Is that about right?

///

This video was mentioned earlier in the thread. This guy, Dale Hansen, a TV news sports guy has been seen in videos here before because he has good takes on current events.

I think he says some of the same things you raise in your post.

Extra point: Dale Hansen on school shootings

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:53:12am

re: #280 Scottish Dragon

No! It’s BLUE!!!!

If Shittler paid her $130,000 for that dress it IS Gold!!!!!!

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:54:46am

re: #177 Barefoot Grin

“President Obama was the most divisive President ever”

[Embedded content]

Did she have to throw in the the lie about leaving high school a year early so as not to shit on Hannity?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:55:10am

re: #281 ObserverArt

Yeah, I think I follow this guy

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:56:05am

re: #273 MsJ

Which relates to school shootings…in some way? That was about school shootings, no?

MsJ, you are going to hurt your brain trying to figure out the rationale behind crazy wingnut thinking. You don’t want to hurt your brain, we need you.

Oh…breaking news. Mueller is indicting 13 Russian “fraudsters” for messing with our elections through digital methods. Probably will not get any in court, but they are named and added to the case he is building.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:56:21am

re: #281 ObserverArt

This video was mentioned earlier in the thread. This guy, Dale Hansen, a TV news sports guy has been seen in videos here before because he has good takes on current events.

I think he says some of the same things you raise in your post.

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What I love about Hansen is he looks like the kind of guy who would believe the total opposite of what he believes and he’s a class act too.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:56:52am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:57:01am

re: #273 MsJ

Which relates to school shootings…in some way? That was about school shootings, no?

They are pricks.

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:57:29am

HUGE MUELLER NEWS!!

Just indicted 13 Russians for election meddling.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:57:56am

Russians are getting indicted right now for meddling in the election. For the yam.

Per CNN

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:58:26am

re: #289 sagehen

Yay. Mr Mueller please continue. :)

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:58:37am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 9:59:57am

re: #287 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Self awareness much Kennedy?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:00:33am

Image: DWLOD0NX4AEcNU9.jpg

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:02:02am

re: #290 Stanley Sea

Russians are getting indicted right now for meddling in the election. For the yam.

Per CNN

Cue the ‘no meddling’ tweets from Preznit Baby.

If he’s not golfing, that is…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:02:05am

Mid day sanity break

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:02:05am

re: #285 ObserverArt

Oh…breaking news. Mueller is indicting 13 Russian “fraudsters” for messing with our elections through digital methods. Probably will not get any in court, but they are named and added to the case he is building.

Oh…the indictment states the 13 individuals worked to hurt Clinton and help Trump. Trump is named. That is HUGE!

That means Mueller is making the case with facts the Russians indeed helped Trump.

Donny is going to be pissed off today!

Grab the popcorn…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:02:33am

re: #289 sagehen

HUGE MUELLER NEWS!!

Just indicted 13 Russians for election meddling.

[Embedded content]

WHOA, NELLIE!

Talk about a Friday News Dump!

GO, MR. MUELLER, GO!

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:03:58am

re: #294 FormerDirtDart

Image: DWLOD0NX4AEcNU9.jpg

No collusion! But this not helpful for our relations with Russia which should be good, OK? Not a puppet! Meddling didn’t influence vote! American Intelligence wrong, wrong about WMD Iraq!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:04:08am

re: #245 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

My parents threw this exact (almost word for word) argument at me: The US had fallen from the grace of God and God removed His protection from us and allowed Satan to enter and do whatever he wants. oh…and if you are not for God, you are against God.

So dead kids at school is what happens if you don’t make God happy.

I don’t even know what to say to this kind of violent, retributive Mafia Don vision of God.

I don’t know what to say when my parents are the ones telling me I’m going to hell.

“God will smite us if our nation does not follow OUR NARROW-MINDED, THEOLOGICALLY SUSPECT AND BIGOTED INTERPRETATION OF God’s Divine Law

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:04:22am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:04:45am

re: #297 ObserverArt

Oh…the indictment states the 13 individuals worked to hurt Clinton and help Trump. Trump is named. That is HUGE!

That means Mueller is making the case with facts the Russians indeed helped Trump.

Donny is going to be pissed off today!

Grab the popcorn…

I look forward to the factual reporting of these developments by Fox News….

Oh wait

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:05:08am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:05:11am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

Cue all the wingnut outrage

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:05:11am

FAKE NEWS!!!

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:05:25am

On a lark, looking up Concord Management and Consulting, LLC.
I found an ad for
“The Old Customs House”, Haute Cuisine restaurants situate in St-Petersburg, Russia. Our constant clientage include heads of states & presidents off European countries. We are looking for highly specialized Souz-Chief. Salary level is up to $3.500 per month according your qualification strongly possible off promotion.
We are providing plane tickets to your homeland, etc.

Must have been the guy whose English was not good enough to work in the Russian troll factories.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:06:05am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

I just did not expect this as the next turn in this vast investigation. Wow.

Maybe I should get some popcorn.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:06:18am

re: #302 Sir John Barron

I look forward to the factual reporting of these developments by Fox News….

Oh wait

Probably means there will be a lot of Hillary, Bill and Barack coverage tonight.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:06:30am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

Where’s the proof evidence? This investigation is needs to be shutdown not doing anything too long!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:06:45am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:07:05am

re: #308 ObserverArt

Probably means there will be a lot of Hillary, Bill and Barack coverage tonight.

Maybe Ingraham will continue her lengthy investigative journalism about LeBron James.

///

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Dr. Matt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:07:35am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

COMING UP: Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein to hold press conference at approximately 1:15 p.m. ET to announce indictment of Russian nationals and entities accused of breaking U.S. laws to interfere with the 2016 presidential election cbsnews.com pic.twitter.com

— CBS News (@CBSNews) February 16, 2018

Moar Fake Newz

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:08:13am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

I’ll wait for Glenn Greenwald to tell me what to think about all of this fake news.

/////

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:08:33am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Moar Fake Newz

At least according to Freepers. They blame Hillary. Or something.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:09:06am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Moar Fake Newz

Maybe POTUS should trot out Sarah Huckabee Sanders to try to talk over this.

/

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:09:53am

re: #297 ObserverArt

Oh…the indictment states the 13 individuals worked to hurt Clinton and help Trump. Trump is named. That is HUGE!

That means Mueller is making the case with facts the Russian indeed helped Trump.

Donny is going to be pissed off today!

Grab the popcorn…

Will there be a mic drop?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:10:15am

re: #312 Dr. Matt

Moar Fake Newz

No collusion NOT ILLEGAL what laws broken There’s no proof? Shutup!

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:11:13am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

I imagine some wingnuts might focus on the “2014” part of this, claim this was all an Obama-Hillary fix or something.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:11:20am

But Putin told Trump there was no interference.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:12:07am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

I would love to be a fly on the wall near the uncouth one. It would be beautiful shade of blue.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:12:20am

I hate slow news days, especially no news Friday-days.

///

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:12:36am

Seen on Facebook…

Only funny ‘cuz it’s true.
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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:13:32am

Yeah, Trumpworld is fucked…. because the dots are getting connected.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:15:07am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:16:29am

re: #323 lawhawk

Yeah, Trumpworld is fucked…. because the dots are getting connected.

OK, but did the DJT campaign respond to it? And did they know who they were responding with? MAGAbots could just use that as evidence that Russians were attacking Trumpy on Hillary’s behalf, etc. Although I imagine that’s what many POTUS defenders will argue anyway.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:16:36am

Good point.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:17:05am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

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“unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign…”

lol, that doesn’t narrow it down much.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:17:20am

re: #321 Sir John Barron

I hate slow news days, especially no news Friday-days.

///

Well, you’re in luck! As long as trump is around, you will rarely have to endure slow or no news days, Friday or otherwise.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:17:44am

re: #325 Sir John Barron

OK, but did the DJT campaign respond to it? And did they know who they were responding with? MAGAbots could just use that as evidence that Russians were attacking Trumpy on Hillary’s behalf, etc. Although I imagine that’s what many POTUS defenders will argue anyway.

Although Team Trumpy has been telling us for a year that the Russians didn’t meddle.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:17:57am

I wonder who is getting fired tonight?

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:19:00am

MSNBC is reading out selected portions of the indictment that also talk about supporting Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders…

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:19:05am

I’m wondering how long it will take for Fox to report it. I can’t get to a TV, so they might actually be doing it.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:20:06am

re: #326 makeitstop

Good point.

“Internet Research Agency”==sounds like something huckster James O’Keefe would come up with. This is where the whole derp circle meets up, undercover scammers like O’Keefe with hostile foreign government operatives.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:20:11am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

Will there be a mic drop?

It sounds like the indictment connects the 13 Russians to someone in America to coordinate the targeted ads and comments to “purple” states like Florida.

If that connection is further linked to Trump’s campaign directly…I have some unused old mics I will drop myself!

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:20:13am

re: #332 Belafon

I’m sure if Shep’s block is on, he’ll be the only one to cover it straight.

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:20:42am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:20:52am

BUT WHAT ABOUT HILLARY!!

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:21:37am

re: #331 sagehen

MSNBC is reading out selected portions of the indictment that also talk about supporting Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders…

I. Fucking. KNEW. It.

As did most Lizards, I’m sure.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:22:16am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

Also known as Trolls from Olgino!

How the bot network responds should be interesting.

**mixes cheese and caramel popcorn**

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:22:31am

re: #292 lawhawk

We’re shocked. Shocked. To know that the Russians were trying to manipulate the outcome of the election.

wait until they start singing about the Trump campaign…then suddenly Russians will not be the heroes we have heard them made out to be by the Right

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:22:34am

re: #331 sagehen

MSNBC is reading out selected portions of the indictment that also talk about supporting Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders…

Doesn’t surprise me. Putin likes to play the divide game. Too bad many Sanders fans refuse to see how he benefited from Putin whether his people were aware of it or not.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #338 makeitstop

I. Fucking. KNEW. It.

As did most Lizards, I’m sure.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:23:43am

re: #338 makeitstop

I. Fucking. KNEW. It.

As did most Lizards, I’m sure.

Of course. Another reason why not to nominate Sanders in 2020z

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:24:29am

RICO Time!

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:24:30am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:25:19am

lol, poor flailing wingnuts

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:25:26am

I wonder if this makes firing Mueller impossible now. This is official…those 13 indictments of Russians are now on the record, and Trump can’t really do anything about it.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:25:28am

re: #345 jaunte

Actually Trump continued to encourage, if not beg, for Russian interference on his behalf.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:25:49am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. Putin likes to play the divide game. Too bad many Sanders fans refuse to see how he benefited from Putin whether his people were aware of it or not.

I was always of the opinion that a significant share of Bernie Sanders “support” and “momentum” was just weapons-grade ratfucking. And the idealists in the campaign and among his real supporters were too far off in cloud-cuckoo land to notice it.

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danarchy  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:25:59am

re: #332 Belafon

I’m wondering how long it will take for Fox to report it. I can’t get to a TV, so they might actually be doing it.

They’ve been talking about it for the past several minutes with Jason Chafetz

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:26:15am

re: #348 Sir John Barron

Actually Trump continued to encourage, if not beg, for Russian interference on his behalf.

I am pretty sure that is going to come up in the referral to congress.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:26:25am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Of course. Another reason why not to nominate Sanders in 2020z

Assuming he wasn’t in on it, he’s was too easy a pawn to use to divide Democrats.

And I assume Stein was in on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:26:41am

re: #345 jaunte

I expect a lot of Trump supporters will make a lot of hay out of the fact that the Mueller indictment says the Russians contacted “unwitting individuals”.

“unwitting” or “witless”?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:26:55am

re: #352 Belafon

Assuming he wasn’t in on it, he’s was too easy a pawn to use to divide Democrats.

And I assume Stein was in on it.

I am certain she was.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:27:16am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:27:24am

re: #346 bill d. (b.d.)

lol, poor flailing wingnuts

[Embedded content]

Yawn find some new material young Bateman cosplayer.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:27:57am

The indictment says Russians dressed as Hillary and had a float at a rally in Florida.

Did we maybe see images of that???

Wow, this is a huge detailed document. It’s going to be real hard to continue the dance for the Trumpsters…they will need to start to conjure up a new way to try to sleaze their way out of all of this.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:28:13am

re: #326 makeitstop

Good point.

And then Junior had that meeting with the Russian representatives with dirt on Hillary that “anybody would have taken that meeting”.

Drip, drip, drip

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:28:47am

re: #352 Belafon

Assuming he wasn’t in on it, he’s was too easy a pawn to use to divide Democrats.

And I assume Stein was in on it.

I definitely think Stein was in it. I’m undecided on Bernie personally but I definitely always thought he benefited from the division game in a way he and his campaign and its allies don’t admit.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:28:51am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t surprise me. Putin likes to play the divide game. Too bad many Sanders fans refuse to see how he benefited from Putin whether his people were aware of it or not.

Sanders himself didn’t help. I still don’t trust him in terms of Russian activity. There was literally no reason for him to have done what he did in continuing to tear down Clinton when he had absolutely no way to move forward. That was suspect as hell.

Stein is also suspect, least of which is her dinner with Putin. Because don’t all American’s have casual dinners with Putin?

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:29:11am

Hello, Brad Parscale.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:30:13am

The long con.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:30:13am

re: #357 ObserverArt

The indictment says Russians dressed as Hillary and had a float at a rally in Florida.

Did we maybe see images of that???

Wow, this is a huge detailed document. It’s going to be real hard to continue the dance for the Trumpsters…they will need to start to conjure up a new way to try to sleaze their way out of all of this.

No collusion!

So what? Not illegal.

Didn’t change any votes!

They were actually attacking Trump!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:30:19am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was always of the opinion that a significant share of Bernie Sanders “support” and “momentum” was just weapons-grade ratfucking. And the idealists in the campaign and among his real supporters were too far off in cloud-cuckoo land to notice it.

I lean that way myself while conceding he had genuine support from a lot of people I think may be well meaning but are dupes.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:30:58am

re: #361 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Hello, Brad Parscale.

Mueller’s phones are probably lit the fuck up with people eager to save their asses right now.

The next couple of weeks are gon’ be fun. Not for the Trump Cult, though.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:31:29am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:31:30am

re: #360 MsJ

Sanders himself didn’t help. I still don’t trust him in terms of Russian activity. There was literally no reason for him to have done what he did in continuing to tear down Clinton when he had absolutely no way to move forward. That was suspect as hell.

Stein is also suspect, least of which is her dinner with Putin. Because don’t all American’s have casual dinners with Putin?

I don’t trust him either for the exact reasons you outline. I just don’t know if it’s complicity or he’s one egotistical sob or a bit of both.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:31:30am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

I lean that way myself while conceding he had genuine support from a lot of people I think may be well meaning but are dupes.

and unable to see beyond their own idealism

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:31:40am

I just tuned into KYW 1060 AM in Philly and they are waiting for the presser. Correction it is live.

link: philadelphia.cbslocal.com

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:32:00am

re: #361 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Hello, Brad Parscale.

B-I-N-G-O!

What do we all win?

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:32:03am

re: #347 Scottish Dragon

I wonder if this makes firing Mueller impossible now. This is official…those 13 indictments of Russians are now on the record, and Trump can’t really do anything about it.

Is Mitch McConnell capable of shame? Is somebody going to have a chance to ask him, on camera, if he still thinks he did the right thing in refusing to publicly announce Russian interference when Obama asked him to?

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:32:26am

Eager to see where Bannon lands in all this.
I bet he’d snitch on Jared with a huge smile.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:32:50am

Whatabout HillaryRussiaUranium One?!!??

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:33:59am

But Hillary paid Steele to go after Trump!!

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:34:10am

re: #370 ObserverArt

B-I-N-G-O!

What do we all win?

Indictments against Donny, his ignorant sons, his awful daughter and everyone else peripheral to him?

I would take that as a win.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:34:27am

Paul Ryan: We passed great tax reform!

Person: Can you comment on the recent indictments of 13 Russians issued by Special Counsel, Robert Mueller?

Paul Ryan: I haven’t really read about that. As I said, we had great tax reform!

(Probably)

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:34:38am

re: #370 ObserverArt

B-I-N-G-O!

What do we all win?

And to add…now we may know why Brad Parscale got paid all those big bucks. He may have been the pipeline for the money transaction…or at least paid well to keep the whole program floating.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:34:42am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

I don’t trust him either for the exact reasons you outline. I just don’t know if it’s complicity or he’s one egotistical sob or a bit of both.

Egotism and chauvinism.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:34:57am

So now Trump will bring those sanctions against the Russians for sure!!! ///

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:35:06am

re: #361 jaunte

Hello, Brad Parscale.

It is page 13, count 31 of the indictment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:35:32am

At some point, Mueller will be able to produce enough contradictory or inconsistent sworn statements that it will mean that one party or the other perjured themselves…then it will be fun to watch people pointing fingers and calling each other “liar!”.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:37:01am

This should also be seen as an indictment of Citizens United.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:37:49am

RELEASE THE MEMO!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:38:07am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and unable to see beyond their own idealism

That’s what I said pretty much.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:38:37am

Get ready for the useful idiots list.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:38:47am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:38:49am

re: #375 Belafon

But Hillary paid Steele to go after Trump!!

Illegal FISA warrant to spy on *squints* Carter Page an American patriot citizen!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:38:54am

re: #379 Belafon

Egotism and chauvinism.

For sure.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:40:09am

Where is indictment for illegal unfounded lying Steele dossier?!?!?!?

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:40:56am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:41:21am

Today would be a good day for Trump to release his taxes.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:41:31am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

That’s what I said pretty much.

I said at the time it was decided by the SCOTUS that Citizen’s United was a green light for foreign nations to buy our elections.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:41:39am

Either way I don’t see Sanders as the victim of the DNC or Dem establishment. In fact, I think if anything they’ve been far too acccomdating to him.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:42:50am
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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:43:07am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

The whole idea that he was going to stand independent of party politics until he needed Democratic money and voters made him a clown.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:43:09am

Also Parscale, probably.

Boy’s gonna have a lot to answer for. Hope those millions were worth it, Brad.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:44:11am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:44:32am

re: #391 Kragar

It is always about a phallic substitute for the men who say these things.

If you want to go shoot military weapons, enlist and do it. Krager is a marine. I was US Army cavalry. We did our bit for country and carried the weapons. If these nuts are so keen about it, join me on the damned wall and do a guard shift with me at R222 airfield out in the western corridor in South Korea.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:44:56am

re: #398 jaunte

Andrea Mitchell just stressed this.

Drip, drip, drip…

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:45:34am

re: #397 makeitstop

Also Parscale, probably.

Boy’s gonna have a lot to answer for. Hope those millions were worth it, Brad.

Who is that?

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Interesting Times  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:45:56am

re: #399 Scottish Dragon

It is always about a phallic substitute for the men who say these things.

If you want to go shoot military weapons, enlist and do it. Krager is a marine. I was US Army cavalry. We did our bit for country and carried the weapons. If these nuts are so keen about it, join me on the damned wall and do a guard shift with me at R222 airfield out the western corridor in South Korea.

Saw this on FB earlier:

Facebook Post

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:47:13am

re: #397 makeitstop

Also Parscale, probably.

[Embedded content]

Boy’s gonna have a lot to answer for. Hope those millions were worth it, Brad.

Trump: “I’ve never met Brad Parscale”

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:47:18am

re: #361 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Hello, Brad Parscale.

So the claim that US citizens were unaware is getting slightly thinner…I wouldn’t skate on that ice.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:47:26am

re: #386 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Get ready for the useful idiots list.

I’ll venture a guess of one of the 100: Cassandra Fairbanks

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:47:59am

re: #399 Scottish Dragon

It is always about a phallic substitute for the men who say these things.

If you want to go shoot military weapons, enlist and do it. Krager is a marine. I was US Army cavalry. We did our bit for country and carried the weapons. If these nuts are so keen about it, join me on the damned wall and do a guard shift with me at R222 airfield out in the western corridor in South Korea.

why? there is nothing in the 2A about any sort of militia!!!

/

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:48:00am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:48:12am

This should take a bit of the wind out of Devin Nunes’ sails.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:48:52am

re: #407 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“we’re on the road to nowhere….”

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:48:54am

re: #405 Stanley Sea

I’ll venture a guess of one of the 100: Cassandra Fairbanks

Can we get a Mercer as well, or maybe that will come later.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:49:16am

re: #403 ObserverArt

Trump: “I’ve never met Brad Parscale”

Then he asked to be tucked in with his bunny.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:49:45am

re: #401 Sir John Barron

Who is that?

Trump’s ‘digital guru.’ He mad $96 million from Trump during the election. Prior to that, he was a Wordpress guy who built a site for Eric Trump’s winery.

Okay, it’s time to bring this quote back, from a puff piece about his company:

“We spent nearly $100 million in the course of the campaign with our operation based in San Antonio, and a ton of that money was spent in San Antonio on campaign-related employment, thousands of hotel rooms, all kinds of economic activity,” Parscale said. “Many of the employees that worked on the campaign have spun off their own enterprises, using the campaign as a catalyst to better success.”

I’ve been asking since I first read that quote - who were staying in those ‘thousands of hotel rooms?’

We might find out pretty soon….

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:49:46am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:50:14am

re: #402 Interesting Times

Saw this on FB earlier:

[Embedded content]

I’ll have to see it when I get home, since I can’t access FB on the school computer, lol

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:50:35am

re: #401 Sir John Barron

Who is that?

He is the web site developer that does the Trump sites, etc. A perfect guy to use as a dupe to pull off internet skullduggery. He got paid a huge amount of money and when it was announced many people familiar with web design wondered WTF?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:50:49am

Looks familiar

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:51:02am

I believe this. This will be a long, complex process.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:51:54am

re: #408 Barefoot Grin

This should take a bit of the wind out of Devin Nunes’ sails.

“Hey Devin, we’re gonna need another memo….”

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:52:48am
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:53:09am
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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:53:10am

re: #408 Barefoot Grin

This should take a bit of the wind out of Devin Nunes’ sails.

I hope that S.O.B. is signing his resignation from congress letter and packing his bags to escape to Russia right this minute.

And Rohrbacher is joining him.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:53:11am

re: #408 Barefoot Grin

This should take a bit of the wind out of Devin Nunes’ sails.

I soooooooooooooo want this schmuck to get tied into this Russian shit. Him and Rohrabacher. They are both absolutely filthy.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:53:30am

re: #417 JordanRules

There will be hundreds of indictments and a decade of trials before this thing is over.

— Thelonious08

But, but, but this investigation is a witch hunt that hasn’t found any evidence and needs to be shutdown.

///

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:54:04am

WTF! Why am I being targeted by twitter? I just recieved a 24 hr limited suspension for tweeting this

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:55:01am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:55:16am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

“Hey Devin, we’re gonna need another memo….”

Nunes: Who will this memo attack?

WH: Mueller, of course. Attack the evidence behind the indictments. Claim it was all because of the dossier.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:56:48am

re: #412 makeitstop

Trump’s ‘digital guru.’ He mad $96 million from Trump during the election. Prior to that, he was a Wordpress guy who built a site for Eric Trump’s winery.

Okay, it’s time to bring this quote back, from a puff piece about his company:

I’ve been asking since I first read that quote - who were staying in those ‘thousands of hotel rooms?’

We might find out pretty soon….

Good catch!

From what is being said, those hotel rooms may well have been for the Russians that came to America to use American computers and connections to make all the posts/tweets/images, etc. seem to be totally American generated.

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:56:51am

re: #398 jaunte

re: #400 JordanRules

Still a BFD, though: even if the wording in the current round of indictments is careful enough to avoid directly accusing any “Americans” (i.e. Trump Campaign people) of deliberate knowledge/collusion/cooperation, etc. with Russian ratfuckers, the damage is done: the Trumpoids will end up either looking like dupes/dopes if their denials are believed, or collusionary sellouts if they aren’t. Myself, I think the latter: even after just a year, the Trump Administration (from its scabby orange head on down) has blown a vast percentage of its credibility with all but the most deluded “base”. That The Donald might not know what was going on with the campaign is is believable (he IS a moron, after all): but somewhere there has got be a verifiable connection with somebody high-up in the campaign that they aren’t going to able to just spin away as “fake news”. No matter how loud Fox News keeps yelling about Hillary Clinton’s “scandals”.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:57:05am

re: #424 gocart mozart

WTF! Why am I being targeted by twitter? I just recieved a 24 hr limited suspension for tweeting this

I suspect you’ve somehow become a bot target, and they gang up to report you.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:57:43am

re: #410 Belafon

Can we get a Mercer as well, or maybe that will come later.

Yeah, weren’t there some curious coincidental yacht meet ups with Mercers and maybe Deripaska (or am I recalling Mensch goose chase stuff)?

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:58:56am

re: #428 Jay C

The wording seems like a clear implication that there will be other indictments.
I think Mueller is an expert at ratcheting up the pressure.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 10:58:56am

re: #417 JordanRules

I believe this. This will be a long, complex process.

Yes, and as I suspect, this makes firing Mueller impossible. This how now taken on a life of its own. This will go on through another administration entirely.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:00:48am

re: #424 gocart mozart

WTF! Why am I being targeted by twitter? I just recieved a 24 hr limited suspension for tweeting this

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But did anything happen? Can you still see everything and tweet? I got a suspension for 12 hours but nothing changed. Nothing at all, I still had 100% functionality.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:01:27am

Oh man. What is Kremlin retaliation gonna look like?
Then, how will 45 and regime keep reacting and obstructing?

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:02:15am
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:02:27am

re: #434 JordanRules

Good question. I have no idea what is going to happen.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:03:08am

re: #352 Belafon

Assuming he wasn’t in on it, he’s was too easy a pawn to use to divide Democrats.

And I assume Stein was in on it.

re: #360 MsJ

Sanders himself didn’t help. I still don’t trust him in terms of Russian activity. There was literally no reason for him to have done what he did in continuing to tear down Clinton when he had absolutely no way to move forward. That was suspect as hell.

Stein is also suspect, least of which is her dinner with Putin. Because don’t all Americans have casual dinners with Putin?

I have been saying for months that Sanders was a Russian asset. I don’t think he was naive about this at all.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:03:19am

re: #435 Kragar

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What?

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:03:22am
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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:03:51am

While Mueller deals with this, our job is to keep up pressure about AR-15s.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:04:22am

re: #436 PhillyPretzel

Seriously. It’s all so crazy I can’t even begin to predict what’s next.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:04:36am

Mueller is driving our media world crazy. We do not want slow and methodical, we want bombshells and flashes and shock and awe and we also want to look over everyone’s shoulders and second-guess the experts.

Mueller would not have bothered indicting Russian nationals unless it furthered his investigation into US citizens.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:04:39am

re: #439 Kragar

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Who’s Richard Pinedo?

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:04:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:05:11am

re: #444 Kragar

That answers my question.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:05:34am

re: #437 Hecuba’s daughter

I have been saying for months that Sanders was a Russian asset. I don’t think he was naive about this at all.

That is completely my take, too. I know it sounds CTish but there is no logical explanation about what he did. I get sexism and ego, but there’s math…and that’s where it falls apart, for me.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:02am

re: #435 Kragar

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In addition to the Russians one? Be still my heart.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:05am

re: #417 JordanRules

I believe this. This will be a long, complex process.

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It will. But all it will take is a connection to Trump campaign and/or The Big Orange Don and the pressure on Congress to do something, like maybe look at impeachment, will be building.

They can take 5 years to bring all the individuals involved processed in the courts. It will only take a damning summation by Mueller and pressure from American citizens on their Congressfolk to rid of Trump. IMO.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:11am

re: #442 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller is driving our media world crazy. We do not want slow and methodical, we want bombshells and flashes and shock and awe and we also want to look over everyone’s shoulders and second-guess the experts.

Mueller would not have bothered indicting Russian nationals unless it furthered his investigation into US citizens.

Yeah but Bill Mitchell says….

/

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:36am

re: #408 Barefoot Grin

This should take a bit of the wind out of Devin Nunes’ sails.

By now Devin Nunes’ “sails” are shredded rags hanging disconsolately from a shattered yardarm on a vessel that has run onto the rocks and is slowly being reduced to driftwood.

Yet Admiral Devin is still strutting around the quarterdeck (I picture him in tailcoat, cravat and feathered hat with a big brass telescope) ordering more vigorous attacks and damn the torpedoes…

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garzooma  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:41am

re: #432 Scottish Dragon

Yes, and as I suspect, this makes firing Mueller impossible. This how now taken on a life of its own. This will go on through another administration entirely.

A couple of other notes:
1.) This makes it clear that Nunes and other House Republicans are protecting Russians.
2.) Grassley & Graham aren’t looking so good, either.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:07:23am

re: #448 ObserverArt

Agreed.

Midterms to flip Congress in the meantime between time!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:07:36am

re: #346 bill d. (b.d.)

lol, poor flailing wingnuts

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:11:04am

re: #422 MsJ

I soooooooooooooo want this schmuck to get tied into this Russian shit. Him and Rohrabacher. They are both absolutely filthy.

What current Republican in Congress isn’t? Ryan knew and didn’t care.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:11:55am
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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:13:45am

re: #399 Scottish Dragon

It is always about a phallic substitute for the men who say these things.

If you want to go shoot military weapons, enlist and do it. Krager is a marine. I was US Army cavalry. We did our bit for country and carried the weapons. If these nuts are so keen about it, join me on the damned wall and do a guard shift with me at R222 airfield out in the western corridor in South Korea.

This old DAT is in full agreement.

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:13:56am

re: #443 Dr Lizardo

Who’s Richard Pinedo?

The guy who helped the Russian operatives get false identities to set up shop here for a couple years to carry out their plot…

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:36am

re: #454 Hecuba’s daughter

What current Republican in Congress isn’t? Ryan knew and didn’t care.

Ryan literally laughed it off.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:16:21am

re: #425 Kragar

I know the answer to that.

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:21:07am

re: #433 MsJ

But did anything happen? Can you still see everything and tweet? I got a suspension for 12 hours but nothing changed. Nothing at all, I still had 100% functionality.

Same here. Everything appears the same but I think it effects who can see your tweets. I think only your followers can see your tweets. Your interactions count will go way down.

This happened last night for 12 hours for using the word “dumbfuck” and now I can’t even say “shut up” or “stupid troll” to some noob still going on about Hillary rigging the primaries.

I do think this is some sort of automated targeting because the “suspension” comes a split second after the tweet. Must be a bot and not a human because the suspension comes before any human would have the time to report me or even read the tweet. Anyone have a suggestion what I should do or do i now have to be polite to Nazis?

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:26:51am

re: #460 gocart mozart

Same here. Everything appears the same but I think it effects who can see your tweets. I think only your followers can see your tweets. Your interactions count will go way down.

This happened last night for 12 hours for using the word “dumbfuck” and now I can’t even say “shut up” or “stupid troll” to some noob still going on about Hillary rigging the primaries.

I do think this is some sort of automated targeting because the “suspension” comes a split second after the tweet. Must be a bot and not a human because the suspension comes before any human would have the time to report me or even read the tweet. Anyone have a suggestion what I should do or do i now have to be polite to Nazis?

If you swear, use F**K YOU. Other things Twitter might think is bad Ra

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:27:17am

re: #460 gocart mozart

Oh, and in that timeout, people still RT’d my stuff and followed me. So…not sure that the timeout actually meant anything at all.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:29:44am

re: #462 MsJ

Oh, and in that timeout, people still RT’d my stuff and followed me. So…not sure that the timeout actually meant anything at all.

It’s the same kind of timeout I got a month or two ago. It’s triggered by people, or bots, reporting your Tweet. Hopefully false reporting is noted, so bots can’t game the system, but I doubt it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:03:06pm

re: #405 Stanley Sea

I’ll venture a guess of one of the 100: Cassandra Fairbanks

Louise Mensch…


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