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1
MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:54:43pm

Replay from downstairs. Shoot me now.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:06:20pm

He’s been raising money since the week he was sworn in.

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Chrysicat  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:07:17pm

Also CL’d:

re: #422 Chrysicat
re: #413 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Trump forward deploys F-35s next to Iran in case he needs a war to distract the press from the Mueller report.

Would it be wrong of me to think that he’d better hope all the F-14s are permanently out of service, because I think the only advantage the Lightnings have on them is being semi-stealth?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:08:47pm

“Pendo ergo sum”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:21:16pm

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:22:44pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:23:26pm

Asshole gotta asshole

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:23:44pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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“Pendo ergo sum”

Mom and Dad got a college fund for me but I gotta prepay my parking 16 years before I can drive and park?

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:24:57pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Well that covers all bases, doesn’t it?

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:26:39pm

*blinks*

*blinks*

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:27:41pm

re: #9 Skip Intro

Well that covers all bases, doesn’t it?

Pretty much. Absence of conspiracy means that the conspiracy was covered up. Not that it never existed in the first place. A totally secure position from which logic cannot dislodge you.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:28:10pm

re: #10 Teukka

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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:28:44pm

re: #3 Chrysicat

Also CL’d:

Would it be wrong of me to think that he’d better hope all the F-14s are permanently out of service, because I think the only advantage the Lightnings have on them is being semi-stealth?

theaviationist.com

You’re kind of spectacularly wrong. F-35’s wipe the floor with previous gen fighters even in the hands of experienced USAF pilots with access to much more modern weapons systems (and likely rather better maintained jets to boot).

I mean, I know it’s very popular and whatnot to keep on hating on the F-35 program but you’re going to have to look harder and harder for cherries to pick in doing so.

Oh, and VLO capability along with superior sensors and information sharing systems kind of *are* a fundamental game-changer on the modern aerial battlefield - especially in the sort of BVR engagements the entirely unstealthy Iranian F-14’s would find themselves getting swatted out of the sky in.

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Cheechako  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:30:15pm

During the last few days, tornado’s and tornado shelters were a discussion topic here on LGF. I just came across this news release from the US Forest Service on building an effective and affordable tornado shelter in an existing home.

At the bottom of the article there are two links, one for the detailed specs and one for a how-to video.

I hope some of you who are in tornado country may be able to take advantage of this system.

Forest Service Wood Tornado Shelter Provides Safe, Affordable Storm Protection

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:30:55pm

re: #10 Teukka

*blinks*

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*blinks*

Don’t know who’s the bigger asshole Tucker or Steyn.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:31:49pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Asshole gotta asshole

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Did you expect such a racist bigot as Beck to say anything else?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:32:44pm

From the previous thread:

re: #423 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s like Musk is forcing the US to compete again.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:34:58pm

re: #9 Skip Intro

Well that covers all bases, doesn’t it?

It didn’t happen, but we will never know.

Watch my show. Buy my stuff.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:36:29pm

re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹

Don’t know who’s the bigger asshole Tucker or Steyn.

Incarnations of the same asshole? And not the only ones?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:38:29pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Asshole gotta asshole

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:38:56pm

re: #14 Cheechako

During the last few days, tornado’s and tornado shelters were a discussion topic here on LGF. I just came across this news release from the US Forest Service on building an effective and affordable tornado shelter in an existing home.

At the bottom of the article there are two links, one for the detailed specs and one for a how-to video.

I hope some of you who are in tornado country may be able to take advantage of this system.

Forest Service Wood Tornado Shelter Provides Safe, Affordable Storm Protection

Gimme Shelter

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:39:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:41:06pm

re: #20 Belafon

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Billy Joel could write an entire sequel to that song featuring Trump stuff alone.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:45:31pm

re: #1 MsJ

Replay from downstairs. Shoot me now.

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Yeah, he outraised two candidates out of a much larger field. So? And let’s see how much the Russians gave him.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:49:35pm
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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:51:41pm

We might someday actually get ansibles:

Scientists from Stony Brook University, the U.S. Department of Energy’s Brookhaven National Laboratory, and DOE’s Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) are collaborating on an experiment that puts U.S. quantum networking research on the international map.

Researchers, including Stony Brook’s Eden Figueroa, have built a quantum network testbed that connects several buildings on the Brookhaven Lab campus using unique portable quantum entanglement sources and an existing DOE ESnet communications fiber network—a significant step in building a large-scale quantum network that can transmit information over long distances.

“In quantum mechanics, the physical properties of entangled particles remain associated, even when separated by vast distances. Thus, when measurements are performed on one side, it also affects the other,” said Kerstin Kleese van Dam, director of Brookhaven Lab’s Computational Science Initiative (CSI). “To date, this work has been successfully demonstrated with entangled photons separated by approximately 11 miles. This is one of the largest quantum entanglement distribution networks in the world, and the longest-distance entanglement experiment in the United States.”

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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:52:02pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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BlueGrl21  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:52:05pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Trees from the 1100’s are dry. They burn easily.

Next?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:55:03pm
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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:56:27pm

re: #28 BlueGrl21

Trees from the 1100’s are dry. They burn.

Next?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:57:03pm

re: #29 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

And the non-NYC part of New York is just as conservative as Texas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:57:37pm

re: #24 Belafon

Yeah, he outraised two candidates out of a much larger field. So? And let’s see how much the Russians gave him.

Some years ago the New York Rangers were considered an NHL laughingstock because despite having the highest payroll of ANY team, they consistently played poorly and missed the playoffs year after year after year. More money does NOT equal more success.

Also, didn’t AOCs primary opponent outspend her by like a bajillion dollars?

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:57:47pm

re: #30 Teukka

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It was the Devin Nunes’ cow’s fault.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:00:22pm

I dare you to outcute this:

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:07:57pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:09:04pm
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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:13:47pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

good grief!!!

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:17:13pm

Louis Farrakhan = Candace Owens

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:17:25pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:22:51pm

Uh oh. My friend Bob posted this:

They are what they look like, boiled egg whites with Spaghetti-Os.

I worry about Bob.

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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:26:12pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

But, the yolk. Where is the yolk? The best part.

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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:29:14pm

I am getting thousands of DMs from egg white aficionados. Sorry, not sorry.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:31:43pm

re: #41 Ming5000

But, the yolk. Where is the yolk? The best part.

I think they were mixed with mustard, mushroom soup, canned green beans and those unidentified crunchy things in some kind of church pot-luck casserole.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:31:43pm

re: #39 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Jesus.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:36:44pm

re: #43 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I think they were mixed with mustard, mushroom soup, canned green beans and those unidentified crunchy things in some kind of church pot-luck casserole.

I might actually eat such a thing………if I were starving to death and my mouse traps weren’t working.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:36:55pm

So, waking up early here in Europe for work and it looks like the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral has been contained. Apparently, the firefighters got lucky (owing to wind direction) and it looks like they’ll be able to save the structure.

French President Macron has said it will be rebuilt and he’s seeking international assistance towards that end.

It’s certainly gonna be expensive, to say the least. Ooof, what a mess.

france24.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:37:38pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There is comfort food, happy indulgent food and now an example of sad food. Like go seek help…

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:38:48pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:42:36pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:43:52pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

good grief

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danarchy  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:45:16pm

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

So, waking up early here in Europe for work and it looks like the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral has been contained. Apparently, the firefighters got lucky (owing to wind direction) and it looks like they’ll be able to save the structure.

French President Macron has said it will be rebuilt and he’s seeking international assistance towards that end.

It’s certainly gonna be expensive, to say the least. Ooof, what a mess.

france24.com

I got a pretty big headstart. A French billionaire has already pledged 100 million Euro to the reconstruction.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:46:34pm

re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So one mother had babies with two brothers and both kids grew up to be murderers?

That is some serious Jerry Springer shit right there.

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:48:07pm

re: #30 Teukka

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Westminster Palace in 1841?

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:50:23pm

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Needs layer of tater tots and grated velveeta…

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Jay C  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:51:42pm

re: #53 William Lewis

Westminster Palace in 1841?

1834, but who’s counting?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:54:05pm

1992 Windsor Castle fire

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 8:55:09pm

re: #55 Jay C

1834, but who’s counting?

Oops. That was a heck of a loss though. Still, they got lucky too in that the great hall with it’s new roof (from 1393) didn’t burn.

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freetoken  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:03:26pm

As I’ve commented here before, my free Netflix month seems like a waste, given so little I want to watch on their (US) service.

So I bring up Netflix today and there is an announcement of a new show for me to check out… and it’s another zombie apocalypse thing. I’ve already forgotten the show’s name.

Anyway, American small-screen entertainment needs to move away from the apocalypse/zombie genre.

I suspect that this genre exploded post 9/11 as part of the overall worldview collapse going on in our society, of which our politicians ignore addressing directly (though Trump exploits is relentlessly.)

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:03:52pm

re: #51 danarchy

I got a pretty big headstart. A French billionaire has already pledged 100 million Euro to the reconstruction.

Yeah, I saw that, but I think this is going to cost a good deal more than 100 million Euro. It’s probably going to end up closer to one billion Euro or more. Still, that 100 million Euro is a good start.

BTW, for those who may not know, Notre-dame de Paris isn’t owned by the Church - it’s owned by the French government, so the cost of rebuilding would be their responsibility. Assuming it was an accidental blaze (and at this point, I’m pretty sure it was entirely accidental, as the fire started right at the point where restoration work was being done), I’d certainly hate to be the construction company that was responsible for the fire…..because they’re probably going to be out of business in the not-too-distant future.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:07:36pm

re: #52 Eclectic Cyborg

So one mother had babies with two brothers and both kids grew up to be murderers?

That is some serious Jerry Springer shit right there.

Something like my first wife, except that her children grew up to be an architect and a pediatrician respectively.

I know a blended clan in this area that consists of a husband and wife and 7 children. Each spouse brought 3 children to the marriage then they had another one together. After that, it gets weird, like a genetic version of an Escher engraving. The husband’s ex-wife and the wife’s ex-husband were brother and sister, making each set of older children both step-siblings and first cousins to the other set. The youngest has 6 half-siblings. Each of the other children has two siblings, a half-sibling, 3 step siblings, and 3 first cousins in the group. There may be other permutations that I am too old to figure out.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:09:16pm

You know at least once today Trump remarked on how this was stupid idea

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:09:55pm

Diplomacy is hard.

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:15:37pm

re: #58 freetoken

that and the inherent racism of the whole zombie genre.

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plansbandc  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:19:32pm

re: #63 William Lewis

Love the original “Night of the Living Dead.” Like “28 Days Later”. That’s about it for me and zombies.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:21:05pm

re: #1 MsJ

Replay from downstairs. Shoot me now.

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And how much of that $30 million did President Max Bialystock put in his pocket?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:22:11pm

re: #64 plansbandc

Love the original “Night of the Living Dead.” Like “28 Days Later”. That’s about it for me and zombies.

I would add The Return of the Living Dead and Shaun of the Dead to that list, but my interest in the zombie genre is fairly limited.

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LastYearsMan  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:23:25pm

re: #63 William Lewis

that and the inherent racism of the whole zombie genre.

God, I hate that whole line of thinking. A fine example of how sloppy critical theory can take you to really dumb places. I mean, Night of the Living Dead? Heck, zombie movies and stories didn’t even start in America.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:24:03pm

re: #55 Jay C

1834, but who’s counting?

Be careful with disposing of those tally sticks from the Exchequer’s office!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:26:00pm

re: #64 plansbandc

Love the original “Night of the Living Dead.” Like “28 Days Later”. That’s about it for me and zombies.

My Dad is in Night Of The Living Dead. He’s in the scene where Chilly Billy Cardille is talking to the sheriff and Dad is one of the Zombie hunters. He says, “THERE THEY ARE” and “LET’S GET THEM”!

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:27:39pm

re: #65 Joe Bacon 🌹

And how much of that $30 million did President Max Bialystock put in his pocket?

At least half is my guess.

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mmmirele  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:28:56pm

Below is a link to to a Facebook video uploaded by “pastor” Jeff Durbin of Apologia Church, currently holding meetings not far from chez Holmes. It is a cop body-cam video, but I suspect Durbin post-processed the video to blur his buddies for reasons that will become clear. The cop was called on scene due to a report of excessive noise from Durbin and his pals, who were using amplification. I believe these asshats were located on the sidewalk in front of the shopping center in Tempe where there’s a Planned Parenthood location towards the back of the center.

Anyway, the reason I’m posting this is because Jeff Durbin sounds just like a sovereign citizen in his rhetoric. I am no fan of the cops, but I don’t pull out ordinances and statutes or refuse to give my name when I talk to them. I’ve watched dozens of sovereign citizen videos and Durbin is one of them. The concern is that if this guy doesn’t respect the authority of law enforcement for something as basic as not disturbing the peace with megaphones, what’s to say that Jeff and his buddies might not do something worse to “stop the baby killing”? Remember, these are the guys who think that the state should execute women who have abortions.

This is a little over four minutes, has no mention of abortion in it, but is a good insight into sovereign citizen nutjobbery.

ETA: some of the comments are very critical of Durbin, basically for making the cops’ lives difficult.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:29:20pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo

I would add The Return of the Living Dead and Shaun of the Dead to that list, but my interest in the zombie genre is fairly limited.

The only zombie movie I can tolerate is Warm Bodies, but that’s because it is a romance based on Romeo and Juliet, rather than a true horror film.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:32:32pm

Zombieland

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:34:47pm

re: #67 LastYearsMan

God, I hate that whole line of thinking. A fine example of how sloppy critical theory can take you to really dumb places. I mean, Night of the Living Dead? Heck, zombie movies and stories didn’t even start in America.

Just because they started as one thing does not mean that they stay that way. The zombie genre has been corrupted beyond redemption by racists for racists. Doesn’t matter what it was but now that’s all that it is.

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plansbandc  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:40:04pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon 🌹

OK, so that’s really cool!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:49:53pm

re: #74 William Lewis

Just because they started as one thing does not mean that they stay that way. The zombie genre has been corrupted beyond redemption by racists for racists. Doesn’t matter what it was but now that’s all that it is.

I don’t think the connection is the intent of the creators so much as the filtered interpretation of the racists. The zombie apocalypse is a near-ideal metaphor for the common racist survival vision of mindless hordes of “others” pouring out of the inner cities to loot and pillage “when the welfare checks stop.” Problem is, it is also a good metaphor for other situations in which people feel threatened by a mindless mass, like me when I lived in Lubbock. If the genre is associated with racists, that is on the racists rather than the genre and its fans in general.

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Ming5000  Apr 15, 2019 • 9:58:26pm

Edited: good night all!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:15:42pm

re: #62 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

That picture of Kim, wow. How big a fucking desk does one dictator need?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:33:41pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

That picture of Kim, wow. How big a fucking desk does one dictator need?

Maybe he’s compensating.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:38:19pm

Shame, it would be nice to be able to do forensics on a center core.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:13:12pm

Your morning dose of science:

6 Mysterious Ancient Outbreaks

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:17:25pm

Here’s a photo of Notre Dame from this morning, taken about 45 minutes ago.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:22:52pm

re: #82 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a photo of Notre Dame from this morning, taken about 45 minutes ago.

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I feel lucky to have seen her when I was in high school lo! these many years ago. I had heard the Rose Window was damaged, which means I may need to wait a while longer to see it again.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:25:38pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I feel lucky to have seen her when I was in high school lo! these many years ago. I had heard the Rose Window was damaged, which means I may need to wait a while longer to see it again.

I was there 15 years ago with the ex-Mrs. Dr. Lizardo. Stunningly beautiful cathedral and certainly one of the most iconic buildings in France (actually, in Europe, for that matter).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:38:13pm

re: #84 Dr Lizardo

I was there 15 years ago with the ex-Mrs. Dr. Lizardo. Stunningly beautiful cathedral and certainly one of the most iconic buildings in France (actually, in Europe, for that matter).

I expect an outpouring of donations to restore her. That’s the silver (heh) lining in this particular storm cloud.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:46:04pm

Fire is mostly out, but firefighters are still hosing the old girl down.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:46:17pm

re: #85 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I expect an outpouring of donations to restore her. That’s the silver (heh) lining in this particular storm cloud.

Of that I have no doubt. Before the fire, it was estimated that a thorough restoration of the cathedral was in the ballpark of €150 million. Post-fire, it’ll probably top €500 million easily and it’ll likely remain at least partially closed for quite some time as reconstruction work commences and that’ll hurt the tourist trade - Notre-dame de Paris is the most-visited tourist site in Paris, even more so than the Eiffel Tower or the Arc de Triomphe.

So this represents a pretty big blow to Paris. Ouch.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2019 • 12:00:42am

Off to work. Back later today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 12:36:34am

re: #58 freetoken

Anyway, American small-screen entertainment needs to move away from the apocalypse/zombie genre.

I liked Shaun of the Dead because it is well written and acted.

I enjoyed the novel World War Z because in the end, it is not so much about zombies as it is about how humanity reacts (or rather fails desperately at reacting) to any major crisis that does not crash down on us like an asteroid.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 12:38:25am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

BTW, for those who may not know, Notre-dame de Paris isn’t owned by the Church - it’s owned by the French government, so the cost of rebuilding would be their responsibility. Assuming it was an accidental blaze (and at this point, I’m pretty sure it was entirely accidental, as the fire started right at the point where restoration work was being done),

We all know it was started by Islamists bent on eradicating symbols of Christianity and rebuilding it as a Victory Mosque but that fact is being concealed by the Lugenpresse

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 16, 2019 • 12:43:28am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We all know it was started by Islamists bent on eradicating symbols of Christianity and rebuilding it as a Victory Mosque but that fact is being concealed by the Lugenpresse

The usual suspects will likely ignore all efforts by France’s Muslim and Jewish populations to raise money for the restoration of the cathedral.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 16, 2019 • 12:51:57am
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Teukka  Apr 16, 2019 • 1:32:30am

So the QAnon crowd is running with the Notre Dame fire… Spoilered because…

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 1:40:30am

The fight to make education secular in the UK:

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 1:57:21am
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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:04:25am

Posted this some years ago here… but tonight it seems all the more relevant:

The Most Profound Moment in Movie History

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:06:34am

The stained glass is gone.

(REUTERS/Benoit Tessier) Le Monde

lemonde.fr

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Teukka  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:10:29am

re: #97 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The stained glass is gone.

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lemonde.fr

That’s the south, no?

This apparently is the north:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:12:17am

re: #98 Teukka

That’s the south, no?

This apparently is the north:

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Yes. My linked photo is not the Rose Window. I believe the firefighters were taking special care to preserve it and the bell towers.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:16:22am

I’m not Catholic, or French, and I last visited the cathedral nearly 50 years ago, but watching it burn and crumble made me very sad. As Le Monde quoted someone as saying, it’s like losing a member of your family. Even some of my students are sad, because they wanted to visit Notre-Dame. I’m telling them to wait a few more years, and she’ll be back together and ready for visitors once again.

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 3:12:56am
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John Hughes  Apr 16, 2019 • 3:28:31am

re: #58 freetoken

So I bring up Netflix today and there is an announcement of a new show for me to check out… and it’s another zombie apocalypse thing. I’ve already forgotten the show’s name.

Hey, come on, it’s by the Asylum, it’s bound to be great.

(Prequel to the trashy Z-Nation).

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 3:56:59am

re: #102 John Hughes

It’s all dead people to me.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:14:39am

re: #102 John Hughes

Black Summer, a little cheesy, but running zombies are far more scarier.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:16:23am

re: #100 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m telling them to wait a few more years, and she’ll be back together and ready for visitors once again.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they cobbled together something for Easter services there.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:38:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:39:11am

re: #108 Patricia Kayden

Yeah, but all concerned Americans will put Barr on Candid Camera this time He’s gotten away w/being a RW hitman in the past but now we have to unload his watergun

I recall that DT was pissed off at Jeff Sessions for recusing himself over a similar issue…

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:41:05am

Good morning!

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:43:07am

re: #110 jeffreyw

Waiting for the squirrels, eh?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:54:06am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

LOL. Yes, I recall that well.

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freetoken  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:57:55am

Never could understand why people watch long Youtube videos of someone else playing a video game…

Anyway, what is worse is… the genre of videos where people scratch off their “scratchers” lottery tickets:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:58:53am

re: #113 freetoken

Never could understand why people watch long Youtube videos of someone else playing a video game…

Anyway, what is worse is… the genre of videos where people scratch off their “scratchers” lottery tickets:

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Akin to the whole “unboxing” genre of videos.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 4:58:58am

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

LOL. Yes, I recall that well.

so hard to find good domestic help these days…

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:00:47am

re: #74 William Lewis

Just because they started as one thing does not mean that they stay that way. The zombie genre has been corrupted beyond redemption by racists for racists. Doesn’t matter what it was but now that’s all that it is.

Night of the Living Dead was a critique of racism.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:00:56am
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LastYearsMan  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:14:07am

re: #74 William Lewis

“Has been used by racists” does not equal “now that’s all it is.” Ever seen “Train to Busan”? Excellent Korean zombie movie from a couple of years ago and one of the biggest hits ever in Korea — but you’d be hard-pressed to find any racism in it.

“Juan of the Dead” was pretty awesome too. Spanish zombie movie filmed in Cuba. Zombies are just a genre, like any other.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:44:48am
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unproven innocence  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:44:52am

A rather ominous development, balkanization of the internet continues:
Russia’s parliament votes to unplug internet from world

The Russian Duma has given its final approval to a bill creating a domestic internet. Lawmakers say it aims to protect Russia from cyber threats — but the law has sparked protest: Critics worry it will allow censorship.
[snip]
Russian Duma deputies on Tuesday overwhelmingly supported a bill allowing Russia to create its own autonomous internet. The law will create an independent infrastructure for the Russian internet, or “Runet,” which will essentially allow Russia to pull up its virtual drawbridges in case of attack.

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:45:22am

re: #111 freetoken

Waiting for the squirrels, eh?

I think he’s more of a scare squirrel, and he’s very good at what he does.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:47:24am

re: #120 unproven innocence

A rather ominous development, balkanization of the internet continues:
Russia’s parliament votes to unplug internet from world

If it goes online, I would also suggest the world unplug the government from the internet. Cut all of the hackers off.

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 5:52:42am

re: #120 unproven innocence

A rather ominous development, balkanization of the internet continues:
Russia’s parliament votes to unplug internet from world

They were wildly successful in their manipulation of the American public. Maybe (surely?) beyond what they expected. They are taking steps to pre-empt a similar threat from the West.

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:01:25am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:02:08am

re: #26 Belafon

Charles Stross uses entangled quantum bits for FTL communication; they are extremely expensive. His universe is extremely logical and almost possible.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:15:07am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:16:30am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I saw that, but I think this is going to cost a good deal more than 100 million Euro. It’s probably going to end up closer to one billion Euro or more. Still, that 100 million Euro is a good start.

The current renovation was supposedly in the 110 million Euro range, so yeah, much more expensive.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:16:31am

re: #126 lawhawk

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She can’t say anything without enraging them.

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:17:29am
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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:19:27am

re: #59 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I saw that, but I think this is going to cost a good deal more than 100 million Euro. It’s probably going to end up closer to one billion Euro or more. Still, that 100 million Euro is a good start.

BTW, for those who may not know, Notre-dame de Paris isn’t owned by the Church - it’s owned by the French government, so the cost of rebuilding would be their responsibility. Assuming it was an accidental blaze (and at this point, I’m pretty sure it was entirely accidental, as the fire started right at the point where restoration work was being done), I’d certainly hate to be the construction company that was responsible for the fire…..because they’re probably going to be out of business in the not-too-distant future.

Another billionaire has donated 200M Euro. I saw an estimate this morning that the additional renovations would cost around $335M.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:21:59am

re: #110 jeffreyw

I have to put my suet blocks in the super cage:

squirrel proofish suet feeder

so the squirribels don’t feast.
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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:22:03am

re: #130 Belafon

Another billionaire has donated 200M Euro. I saw an estimate this morning that the additional renovations would cost around $335M.

Was that other billionaire Trump? ///

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:27:31am

re: #110 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Morning!

Kitteh thinking: “Call me the hunter, that’s how I got my fame…”

Kitteh is a Zep fan.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:29:58am

re: #113 freetoken

Never could understand why people watch long Youtube videos of someone else playing a video game…

Anyway, what is worse is… the genre of videos where people scratch off their “scratchers” lottery tickets:

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Not an e-sports fan are you?

Me either…but it is growing and people pay big bucks to watch gamers play for big money in place like Nationwide Arena here in Columbus last year.

They are looking into making leagues for colleges like for other sports. Game players are getting endorsement contracts, etc.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:32:02am

Try that later. My I phone posts pic sideways and I don’t know why

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Jay C  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:33:39am

re: #131 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I have to put my suet blocks in the super cage:

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so the squirribels don’t feast.

So how do the birds get at the suet?
Or is it only for the littlest ones?

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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:35:27am

re: #113 freetoken

Never could understand why people watch long Youtube videos of someone else playing a video game…

Anyway, what is worse is… the genre of videos where people scratch off their “scratchers” lottery tickets:

World is weird, man.

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:37:31am

re: #131 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I have to put my suet blocks in the super cage:

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so the squirribels don’t feast.

I haven’t noticed squirrels hitting on the suet, ‘tho one spot where we keep a block draws crows. They can eat one up pretty quick.

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:39:19am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Morning!

Kitteh thinking: “Call me the hunter, that’s how I got my fame…”

Kitteh is a Zep fan.

Ollie is so often on the stump that we are referring to him as that damn politician.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:40:13am

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How do fires start?

You can’t explain that!

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jeffreyw  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:42:58am

re: #135 Dave In Austin

Mrs J takes the feeders down every evening, all the raccoons get are the spills.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:45:57am

re: #139 jeffreyw

Ollie is so often on the stump that we are referring to him as that damn politician.

Ollie the Kitteh Politician: Ask not what I can do for you, ask what you can do for me!

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:46:19am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:47:03am

re: #141 jeffreyw

Mrs J takes the feeders down every evening, all the raccoons get are the spills.

I get some big crews in here at night. They have yet to overcome the baffle.
I’m waiting to find a lawn chair pulled over. That’s next.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 6:54:01am

re: #143 MsJ

White man in South Carolina was sentenced to 10 years in prison for trying to hire a hit man to lynch his black neighbor and burn a cross on his yard. The hit man turned out to be an FBI agent.

it will be spun as entrapment and “racial profiling”…why do they never pursue blacks for attempted lynching?

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MsJ  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:11:56am

But of course.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:16:15am

re: #146 MsJ

But of course.

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Well I for one would welcome a second term for Doug Jones. But damn.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:19:46am

re: #1 MsJ

Expect him to use a huge chunk of that not just on the reelection campaign, but on legal expenses. Some of that is permissible.

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makeitstop  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:25:23am

Fender Custom Shop must be bored. They’ve spun up a set of Game of Thrones-themed guitars…

Stark Tele
Lannister Jaguar
Targaryen Strat

No word on the cost. Probably a bunch.

EDIT: Forgot to include the promo video, starring Nuno Bettencourt, Tom Morello and Scott Not…

Youtube Video

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:25:33am

re: #136 Jay C

So how do the birds get at the suet?
Or is it only for the littlest ones?

Downy woodpeckers can get inside to eat; red-bellied woodpeckers can reach far enough to get to the suet. Nuthatches and other small’ish birds can also get inside. And, I’m a speciesist; the suet is for the woodpeckers and nuthatches and other similar critters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:27:37am

I really hate the Google news algorithms sometimes. I’m not signed into my personal Google account on this work computer and I never read “Dems in disarray” stories, so this is not being tailored specifically for me:

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:30:31am

re: #149 makeitstop

Fender Custom Shop must be bored. They’ve spun up a set of Game of Thrones-themed guitars…

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No word on the cost. Probably a bunch.

Someone showed a picture of Game of Thrones Oreos. It’s not boredom so much as getting in on the promotion.

Now, if someone would make an Iron Man bass…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:32:30am

Also, Trump is a fucking asshole, but you already knew that.

President Donald Trump has no regrets about posting a video that spliced together footage of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with Rep. Ilhan Omar, telling a Minneapolis ABC affiliate that the congresswoman is “extremely unpatriotic and disrespectful to our country.”

“She is somebody that doesn’t really understand, I think, life, real life, what it’s all about. It’s unfortunate — she’s got a way about her that’s very, very bad, I think, for our country,” he told local TV station KSTP during a visit to Minnesota on Monday.

Trump on Friday posted an edited video featuring a portion of Omar’s remarks at a Council on American-Islamic Relations event last month in which she discussed the civil liberties of Muslims in the United States, arguing the entire faith should not be judged by the actions of Islamic terrorists.

Democrats have been quick to defend Omar, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said over the weekend that her team was working with U.S. Capitol Police and the House Sergeant at Arms, “conducting a security assessment to safeguard” Omar and her family in light of increased threats against the congresswoman. In a statement Sunday, Omar said that many of the “direct threats on my life” referenced or were in reply to Trump’s video.

Trump was asked by KSTP on Monday if he had any second thoughts about tweeting the video out.

“No, not at all,” he said. “Look — she’s been very disrespectful to this country, she’s been very disrespectful, frankly, to Israel.”<

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makeitstop  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:33:44am

re: #152 Belafon

Someone showed a picture of Game of Thrones Oreos. It’s not boredom so much as getting in on the promotion.

Now, if someone would make an Iron Man bass…

I just got pricing…$25 large per guitar.

Somebody will pay it. Not me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:34:57am

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, Trump is still a fucking asshole, but you already knew that.

President Donald Trump has no regrets about posting a video that spliced together footage of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with Rep. Ilhan Omar, telling a Minneapolis ABC affiliate that the congresswoman is “extremely unpatriotic and disrespectful to our country.”

“She is somebody that doesn’t really understand, I think, life, real life, what it’s all about. It’s unfortunate — she’s got a way about her that’s very, very bad, I think, for our country,” he told local TV station KSTP during a visit to Minnesota on Monday.

Trump on Friday posted an edited video featuring a portion of Omar’s remarks at a Council on American-Islamic Relations event last month in which she discussed the civil liberties of Muslims in the United States, arguing the entire faith should not be judged by the actions of Islamic terrorists.

Democrats have been quick to defend Omar, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said over the weekend that her team was working with U.S. Capitol Police and the House Sergeant at Arms, “conducting a security assessment to safeguard” Omar and her family in light of increased threats against the congresswoman. In a statement Sunday, Omar said that many of the “direct threats on my life” referenced or were in reply to Trump’s video.

Trump was asked by KSTP on Monday if he had any second thoughts about tweeting the video out.

“No, not at all,” he said. “Look — she’s been very disrespectful to this country, she’s been very disrespectful, frankly, to Israel.”

He’s going to get her attacked or worse killed and he won’t care or take any responsibility if anything happens. He’s putting her in danger. Fucker. He’s the fucking one who after 9/11 happened bragged that he had the biggest building in NYC, he’s the one who is supported by antisemites like David Duke and yes Louis Farrakhan to, and he’s the one who has Richard Spencer’s protege advising him on immigration. Trump needs to go.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:35:27am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Stochastic terrorism.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:36:46am

re: #156 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Stochastic terrorism.

Yeah. Never thought I’d see it come from the President’s mouth but here we are.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:37:59am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

He’s going to get her attacked or worse killed and he won’t care or take any responsibility if anything happens. He’s putting her in danger. Fucker. He’s the fucking one who after 9/11 happened bragged that he had the biggest building in NYC, he’s the one who is supported by antisemites like David Duke and yes Louis Farrakhan to, and he’s the one who has Richard Spencer’s protege advising him on immigration. Trump needs to go.

Fat fucker has no room to talk about respecting this country and he sure as hell doesn’t understand real life.

Real sick of his shit. Real. Sick.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:39:46am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Fat fucker has no room to talk about respecting this country and he sure as hell doesn’t understand real life.

Real sick of his shit. Real. Sick.

Totally. He doesn’t care about this country. We’re nothing but a money bag for him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:41:51am

I am really afraid that Trump is programming another Scott Roeder to go after Ilhan.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:44:25am

re: #160 Joe Bacon 🌹

I am really afraid that Trump is programming another Scott Roeder to go after Ilhan.

Same.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:46:28am

re: #160 Joe Bacon 🌹

I am really afraid that Trump is programming another Scott Roeder to go after Ilhan.

Me too. He’s going to get her hurt or worse. And we know he won’t take any responsibility and will in fact blame her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:48:25am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

He’s going to get her attacked or worse killed and he won’t care or take any responsibility if anything happens. .

They will blame her for provoking them with her Muslimness…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:50:15am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will blame her for provoking them with her Muslimness…

Duh.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:50:30am

re: #100 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m not Catholic, or French, and I last visited the cathedral nearly 50 years ago, but watching it burn and crumble made me very sad. As Le Monde quoted someone as saying, it’s like losing a member of your family. Even some of my students are sad, because they wanted to visit Notre-Dame. I’m telling them to wait a few more years, and she’ll be back together and ready for visitors once again.

Regarding the stained glass…if you have ever seen Chartres Cathedral you know how unworldly the stained glass is. A jewel box.

Before WWII they took every…single…piece…of…glass out of those windows and hardly broke one piece. That glass goes back to 1195.

If they can take all of the glass out of Chartres Cathedral they can salvage every tiny piece possible from Notre Dame.

Also, in In 1836 at Chartres, the old lead-covered roof, with its complex structure of timber supports (known as ‘the forest’) was destroyed by fire. Same thing as Notre Dame. It was replaced with a copper-clad roof supported by a network of cast iron ribs, known as the Charpente de fer. At the time, the framework over the crossing had the largest span of any iron framed construction in Europe.

Cathedrals, sadly, burn. Pretty much every one of them has had a major fire. Destroyed. You patch together what you can preserve and rebuild.

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:50:40am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will blame her for provoking them with her Muslimness…

And it’ll be our job to call bull.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:51:51am

re: #166 Belafon

And it’ll be our job to call bull.

I fear that things will get really ugly. They are fully playing on some deep, dark resentments to keep their base buoyed up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:53:11am

The clash between Silicon Valley and gun owners.

Great article here from Bloomberg on why smart guns aren’t a thing yet.

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retired cynic  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:54:21am

re: #138 jeffreyw

I haven’t noticed squirrels hitting on the suet, ‘tho one spot where we keep a block draws crows. They can eat one up pretty quick.

My problem is raccoons. They are so good at reaching and destroying. I finally beat them the end of this winter, but only put out a small amount at a time, in case they get smarter/taller/stronger.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:54:27am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

The clash between Silicon Valley and gun owners.

Great article here from Bloomberg on why smart guns aren’t a thing yet.

because they would be smarter than most of their owners?

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:54:37am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I fear that things will get really ugly. They are really playing on some deep, dark resentments to keep their base buoyed up.

Yep, just like in the 50s and 60s. And we, as a country, can give into it because it’s easy, or we can keep pushing back.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 7:56:00am

re: #167 Teukka

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Facebook accidentally shipped ‘tens of thousands’ of VR controllers with hidden messages like ‘Big Brother is Watching’ and ‘The Masons Were Here’

“The messages on final production hardware say ‘This Space For Rent’ & ‘The Masons Were Here.’ A few dev kits shipped with ‘Big Brother is Watching’ and ‘Hi iFixit! We See You!’ but those were limited to non-consumer units,” he said. iFixit is a tech repair company known for publicly deconstructing new gadgets and posting photos of their innards online.

Mitchell added: “While I appreciate easter eggs, these were inappropriate and should have been removed. The integrity and functionality of the hardware were not compromised, and we’ve fixed our process so this won’t happen again.”

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retired cynic  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:00:28am

re: #170 retired cynic

And JeffreyW, I know I should bring them in every night, but I am so lazy.

And I know it is the same number of trips out and back.

But…

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:00:35am
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Teukka  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:01:52am

re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg

“The messages on final production hardware say ‘This Space For Rent’ & ‘The Masons Were Here.’ A few dev kits shipped with ‘Big Brother is Watching’ and ‘Hi iFixit! We See You!’ but those were limited to non-consumer units,” he said. iFixit is a tech repair company known for publicly deconstructing new gadgets and posting photos of their innards online.

Mitchell added: “While I appreciate easter eggs, these were inappropriate and should have been removed. The integrity and functionality of the hardware were not compromised, and we’ve fixed our process so this won’t happen again.”

“Itt wasn’t a eacter eg! It waz sublimeinals gon rong!”

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retired cynic  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:05:16am

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Something like my first wife, except that her children grew up to be an architect and a pediatrician respectively.

I know a blended clan in this area that consists of a husband and wife and 7 children. Each spouse brought 3 children to the marriage then they had another one together. After that, it gets weird, like a genetic version of an Escher engraving. The husband’s ex-wife and the wife’s ex-husband were brother and sister, making each set of older children both step-siblings and first cousins to the other set. The youngest has 6 half-siblings who are also her first cousins. Each of the other children has two siblings, a half-sibling, 3 step siblings, and 4 first cousins in the group. There may be other permutations that I am too old to figure out.

I may have told before, so just ignore if so: my mother’s father’s parents were born in the mid-1800s. His father got caught in the end of the civil war. Their first marriages produced over 4 children apiece, and then their spouses and some of the children died in a flu outbreak. They married, with 4 children left each, and had 4 more. My grandfather was second in the joint batch, and lived to age 92. He always said “It’s a grand life, if you don’t weaken.” I adored him.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:05:34am

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I know a blended clan in this area that consists of a husband and wife and 7 children. Each spouse brought 3 children to the marriage then they had another one together. After that, it gets weird, like a genetic version of an Escher engraving. The husband’s ex-wife and the wife’s ex-husband were brother and sister, making each set of older children both step-siblings and first cousins to the other set. The youngest has 6 half-siblings. Each of the other children has two siblings, a half-sibling, 3 step siblings, and 3 first cousins in the group. There may be other permutations that I am too old to figure out.

Are you sure you’re not from Arkansas? Or Kentucky?

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Jay C  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:07:02am

re: #175 darthstar

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Longstanding advice from a relative who used to be a travel agent: when it comes to airline fares, don’t ask questions - ever. You will never get a “logical” answer, so just accept whatever figures they offer, and try to enjoy your flight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:13:57am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Fat fucker has no room to talk about respecting this country and he sure as hell doesn’t understand real life.

Real sick of his shit. Real. Sick.

Everything he says is projection. Everything.

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Interesting Times  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:15:58am

Hahaha, Drudge reporters are idiots (but I repeat myself):

(read the rest of the replies, comedy gold)

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retired cynic  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:16:01am

A friend of mine, who is Muslim, pretty conservative, posted a number of photos he took at Notre Dame last year, with a sad note, on Facebook.

A Frenchwoman responded that it was a sad time, but what gave her joy was the response from people of other religions, cultures and countries.

My friend wrote: “So sorry for the big loss XXX! Notre Dame is not only a religious place for one religion. It is part of the accumulated human civilization and human arts. It is an iconic architectural structure and artifact just like the Louvre, the palace of Versailles or Eiffel tower. Any sensible person must feel the loss. I pray that it will be restored and that all the art works inside will be saved.”

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:19:17am

re: #181 Interesting Times

Hahaha, Drudge reporters are idiots (but I repeat myself):

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(read the rest of the replies, comedy gold)

The original tweet gets 7k retweets and 22,000 likes. The fact check gets…. a fraction of it.

Unfu…

Nope. Totally fucking believable.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:29:48am

re: #165 BlueGrl21

Regarding the stained glass…if you have ever seen Chartres Cathedral you know how unworldly the stained glass is. A jewel box.

Before WWII they took every…single…piece…of…glass out of those windows and hardly broke one piece. That glass goes back to 1195.

If they can take all of the glass out of Chartres Cathedral they can salvage every tiny piece possible from Notre Dame.

Also before WWII… some of the assistant curators at the Louvre boxed up EVERYTHING and sent it into hiding. They knew what the Nazis were doing to museums and art galleries in other countries, knew they were on the way to Paris, and wanted them to find empty rooms.

Truckload after truckload left Paris in the middle of the night, going to played-out copper mines (low-temperature underground storage), hidden storage compartments behind wine cellars at grand estates, catacombs under monasteries, etc.

After the war… all of it was returned. Every single piece. Nothing lost, nothing damaged.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:35:06am

re: #181 Interesting Times

Hahaha, Drudge reporters are idiots (but I repeat myself):

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(read the rest of the replies, comedy gold)

I’ve actually visited the Montreal Cathedral and it is quite breathtaking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:37:37am

re: #184 sagehen

Also before WWII… some of the assistant curators at the Louvre boxed up EVERYTHING and sent it into hiding. They knew what the Nazis were doing to museums and art galleries in other countries, knew they were on the way to Paris, and wanted them to find empty rooms.

Truckload after truckload left Paris in the middle of the night, going to played-out copper mines (low-temperature underground storage), hidden storage compartments behind wine cellars at grand estates, catacombs under monasteries, etc.

After the war… all of it was returned. Every single piece. Nothing lost, nothing damaged.

Except for the Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies by van Klomp

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:38:10am

re: #185 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve actually visited the Montreal Cathedral and it is quite breathtaking.

Yeah it is. I visited it back in ‘89 when a friend and I went to Montreal for the Canadian Grand Prix. What a fantastic city and that was a highlight.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:40:16am

Charitable giving is one area where people can question priorities (and we don’t know who actually is getting the donations in some of these cases due to lack of details).

Do better.

And what are we going to learn about Trump’s tax returns when the details are finally made public? If we stick to charitable giving, we’re going to find that Trump’s foundation is a sham (we already know NYS forced it to shut down under a court supervised action). He probably made claims he donated to the foundation, which means he was likely engaging in money laundering/sham transactions to minimize his taxes even further.

I’m also figuring that we’ll find out that Trump’s taxes were mitigated by NOLs that stretch out for 20 years (permissible under the law). That means that taking billion dollar baths as his businesses and real estate holdings crumbled could be spread out over 20 years to offset any profits in following years.

In other words, he probably has a lower effective tax rate than anyone here - and likely paid no federal income taxes over that time as a result despite having income higher than most of us here (combined?).

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gwangung  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:42:32am

re: #188 lawhawk

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Charitable giving is one area where people can question priorities (and we don’t know who actually is getting the donations in some of these cases due to lack of details).

Do better.

And what are we going to learn about Trump’s tax returns when the details are finally made public? If we stick to charitable giving, we’re going to find that Trump’s foundation is a sham (we already know NYS forced it to shut down under a court supervised action). He probably made claims he donated to the foundation, which means he was likely engaging in money laundering/sham transactions to minimize his taxes even further.

I’m also figuring that we’ll find out that Trump’s taxes were mitigated by NOLs that stretch out for 20 years (permissible under the law). That means that taking billion dollar baths as his businesses and real estate holdings crumbled could be spread out over 20 years to offset any profits in following years.

In other words, he probably has a lower effective tax rate than anyone here - and likely paid no federal income taxes over that time as a result despite having income higher than most of us here (combined?).

If that’s the case, that would only endear him to his base.

As for other candidates…yes, do better. It shows your values in your giving, particularly if you are more affluent.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:43:58am

re: #179 Jay C

Longstanding advice from a relative who used to be a travel agent: when it comes to airline fares, don’t ask questions - ever. You will never get a “logical” answer, so just accept whatever figures they offer, and try to enjoy your flight.

Indeed - spend an extra 2500 miles and 140 dollars and get 600 miles credit for the flight.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:44:50am

Personally, just because I don’t give to established charities doesn’t mean I never use my money to help people.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:45:57am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Personally, just because I don’t give to established charities doesn’t mean I never use my money to help people.

I feel the same way about political parties and campaigns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:47:57am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Personally, just because I don’t give to established charities doesn’t mean I never use my money to help people.

I have never taken credit for charitable contributions on my tax returns.
Doesn’t mean I don’t give, and generously.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:52:08am

such a moron

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:56:57am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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He’s tweeting at us like he’s on the couch watching TV and shouting at Melania in the kitchen as she pours herself a glass of gin for breakfast and tosses down a couple of Xanax.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 16, 2019 • 8:58:27am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:01:20am

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

such a moron

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He sure is letting that Mueller report he claims cleared him speak for him isn’t he?

You would think he couldn’t get that report out fast enough, unredacted and all.

What we get is his take on Barr’s take and a lot of BS talk. Hey big guy, let us see that you are cleared, deal?

Oh wait…maybe it isn’t so clear.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:03:51am

Well, this certainly isn’t good news. Possibly.

Scientists who study the northern Bering Sea say they’re seeing changed ocean conditions that were projected by climate models - but not until 2050.

The rapid changes are leading researchers to wonder if ecosystems near the Bering Strait are undergoing a transformation.

The Bering Sea saw record-low sea ice last winter. Oceanographer Phyllis Stabeno says it’s too early to attribute the changes to climate change and she expected a bounce-back this winter.

Instead, warm February winds cleared most of the Bering Sea of ice.

scmp.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:05:45am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

He’s the one who is disrespectful and doesn’t understand life in America.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:06:30am

I will not be lectured by Corey Stewart and Steve King’s biggest supporter about respect in this country.

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allegro  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:07:53am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Personally, just because I don’t give to established charities doesn’t mean I never use my money to help people.

Yeah, I’m not at all comfortable with this “test” of our candidates. I find it much more admirable the person who buys groceries for the family down the street who hit hard times than the one who writes a big check to ____ charity for the tax deduction/recognition. Good WORKS get my attention much more than big checks.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:08:10am

re: #197 ObserverArt

He sure is letting that Mueller report he claims cleared him speak for him isn’t he?

You would think he couldn’t get that report out fast enough, unredacted and all.

What we get is his take on Barr’s take and a lot of BS talk. Hey big guy, let us see that you are cleared, deal?

Oh wait…maybe it isn’t so clear.

He knows the truth which is that he’s going to be in litigation hell for the rest of his life post presidency.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:11:59am

re: #188 lawhawk

Thread on charitable giving: Beto O’Rourke released 10 years of tax returns last night. He and his wife gave $1,166 to charity out of their $370,412 income in 2017. That’s one-third of 1%. It puts them at the bottom of 2020 Dems who have released taxes. washingtonpost.com

He released his fucking taxes.

That is quite enough for me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:14:38am

re: #201 allegro

Yeah, I’m not at all comfortable with this “test” of our candidates. I find it much more admirable the person who buys groceries for the family down the street who hit hard times than the one who writes a big check to ____ charity for the tax deduction/recognition. Good WORKS get my attention much more than big checks.

Nailed it.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:17:38am

How Trump is spending his 2020 campaign money.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:20:22am

re: #205 Skip Intro

How Trump is spending his 2020 campaign money.

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On himself. Big surprise.

That should piss off the people that donate to his campaign, but it won’t they don’t care if they are wasting their money. They love being conned by the big Don.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:24:20am

re: #206 ObserverArt

On himself. Big surprise.

That should piss off his the people that donate to his campaign, but it won’t they don’t care if they are wasting their money. They love being conned by the big Don.

ARE GREAT MAGA POTUS IS BANKRUPTING HIMSELF AND SACRIFICING HIMSELF SO MUCH FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:24:42am

So sad, too bad.

White House officials concerned about being exposed by Mueller report

WASHINGTON — Some of the more than one dozen current and former White House officials who cooperated with special counsel Robert Mueller are worried that the version of his report expected to be made public on Thursday will expose them as the source of damaging information about President Donald Trump, according to multiple witnesses in the investigation.

{snip}

Of particular concern is how Trump — and his allies — will react if it appears to be clear precisely who shared information with Mueller, these people said.

“They got asked questions and told the truth, and now they’re worried the wrath will follow,” one former White House official said.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:26:44am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

No apologies, of course. No concern for impact. How very not Christian of him.

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:27:00am

re: #208 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Of particular concern is how Trump — and his allies — will react if it appears to be clear precisely who shared information with Mueller, these people said.

“They got asked questions and told the truth, and now they’re worried the wrath will follow,” one former White House official said.

If I can read between the lines a bit, this sounds like witnesses who told the truth about the president’s actions are now worried that the president will use the powers of his office to retaliate against them for doing so.

Too bad that’s obviously not an impeachable offense if it comes to pass.

/// (or am I?)

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:27:45am

re: #205 Skip Intro

How Trump is spending his 2020 campaign money.

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It’s a great gig if you can get it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:29:25am

re: #206 ObserverArt

On himself. Big surprise.

That should piss off his the people that donate to his campaign, but it won’t they don’t care if they are wasting their money. They love being conned by the big Don.

Those donating money to Trump are rewarding him for giving them what they want: a rabidly racist and anti-choice judiciary, a tax cut for wealthy, and an all-out assault on the environment. They aren’t being conned; they don’t care.

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:29:25am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

No apologies, of course. No concern for impact. How very not Christian of him.

And yet, completely on brand.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:29:30am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:29:52am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

Yeah, you know who really understands like in America? Mister golden toilets penthouse living bankruptcy filing casino owner.

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:30:29am

OK, I reversed the order, but these arrived together on my twitter feed. Which I keep tied high in a tree, protected by a cat.

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:30:36am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

Why would anyone waste time asking that? He’s never been sorry for anything.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:30:44am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:31:34am

re: #196 Barefoot Grin

Trump in interview was asked if he regretted posting video that has in part led to threats on Ilhan Omar: “not at all….she’s very disrespectful…doesn’t understand life in America….” President Shithead dog whistling through a bull horn.

PRESIDENTIAL HARRASMENT!

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Skip Intro  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:32:15am

re: #211 darthstar

It’s a great gig if you can get it.

Since WE pay all his expenses when he goes to his properties, what is that $8.6+ million being spent on?

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:34:32am

re: #208 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So sad, too bad.

White House officials concerned about being exposed by Mueller report

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Watch Barr leave those people’s names and comments intact while he covers for Trump on other info.

Good thing though, it might cause some of them to just come out in the open and take their shots at Trump.

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:34:36am

re: #216 wrenchwench

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OK, I reversed the order, but these arrived together on my twitter feed. Which I keep tied high in a tree, protected by a cat.

If Dan’s campaign doesn’t include at least one reference to “sometimes you get the bear, and sometimes the bear gets you” then I’m probably going to just give up on American politics.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:35:22am

re: #208 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s our first Mafia Administration.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:36:06am

Omertà or the Law?

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:36:40am

re: #223 jaunte

It’s our first Mafia Administration.

Second. Trump’s hero Andrew Jackson was probably the first. It was just that we didn’t know what a mafia was at the time.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:37:49am

re: #220 Skip Intro

Since WE pay all his expenses when he goes to his properties, what is that $8.6+ million being spent on?

Porn stars and blow

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:38:36am
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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:38:57am

re: #223 jaunte

It’s our first Mafia Administration.

The President Don
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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:39:06am

It’s virtually impossible for someone who spent their lives in NYC metro to not know where they were when the planes hit on 9/11 - or the time of when they hit. It was at the height of the morning rush hour.

It was on primary election day, which meant some who would have been at the WTC took time first to go vote - perhaps saving their lives in the process.

Trump, who saw the attacks as a way to gloat/claim/lie that his building was now the tallest in NYC.

Trump, the liar who lies about everything and anything.

Trump the know nothing who can’t remember a goddamned thing, whether it was from the one of the most tragic days in US history or what he said minutes earlier to his staff.

This is just more proof Trump doesn’t belong anywhere near the WH.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:40:29am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:40:45am

re: #229 lawhawk

It’s virtually impossible for someone who spent their lives in NYC metro to not know where they were when the planes hit on 9/11 - or the time of when they hit. It was at the height of the morning rush hour.

It was on primary election day, which meant some who would have been at the WTC took time first to go vote - perhaps saving their lives in the process.

Trump, who saw the attacks as a way to gloat/claim/lie that his building was now the tallest in NYC.

Trump, the liar who lies about everything and anything.

Trump the know nothing who can’t remember a goddamned thing, whether it was from the one of the most tragic days in US history or what he said minutes earlier to his staff.

This is just more proof Trump doesn’t belong anywhere near the WH.

OK, but it was lunch time or dinner time somewhere in the world when Doofus said that about the 9/11 attacks.

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:42:33am

re: #220 Skip Intro

Since WE pay all his expenses when he goes to his properties, what is that $8.6+ million being spent on?

For campaign stuff. So the campaign offices are in Trump buildings, so they pay rent to the Trump businesses. They “rent” a Trump property ball room for a rally. They cater events using Trump property kitchens. I’m sure the parking lots are paid parking, so every time a car goes in or out. There’s probably a bunch of stuff that they buy through the Trump Org at a mark up as well.

It’s basically money laundering and self-dealing in plain sight.

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:44:35am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:46:17am

re: #230 jaunte

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Barr has no business being AG at all.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:47:07am

re: #232 KGxvi

Don’t forget him charging us Full boat for His Suite in His Hotel

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:48:05am

re: #229 lawhawk

I was in Prague on 9/11 and I distinctly remember where I was when I first about it (an SMS from a colleague), immediately thinking that it was probably a wayward Cessna or something to that effect, arriving home, and my ex-wife (my girlfriend at the time) calling me from the airport in Brno, where she was, asking me where I was, and telling me, “You need to turn on your TV….your country is under attack” (her exact words - I’ll never forget ‘em).

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:48:33am

Against my standard practice of seldom answering my landline except when it’s a family member or, occasionally, charitable organizations, I decided to pick up when caller id showed NRCC. After the usual standard disclaimers regarding recording the calls, a very pleasant male voice asked whether I thought Trump was doing a better job than Obama. For some reason, when I responded that Trump was even worse than Buchanan, the line went dead — seemed rude that he didn’t even say Good-bye, don’t you think?

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wrenchwench  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:48:51am

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:51:37am

re: #237 Hecuba’s daughter

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:52:51am

“…it tells us that Trump expected them to lie under oath. Or at the very least, to conceal things. A different president might say to his staffers, “I know that it might cause some political problems for me, but when you get questioned, you have to just tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. There’s no other choice, and I won’t blame you for it.”

But the people who work for Trump know that he doesn’t feel that way. This, after all, is a man who calls people who tell prosecutors about crimes they have witnessed “rats” as though he were a mob boss, and says, “It’s called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal.”
washingtonpost.com

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:52:53am

re: #235 Dave In Austin

Don’t forget him charging us Full boat for His Suite in His Hotel

They’re running two grifts… one is the campaign. That’s most of the stuff I was talking about above.

The other is the costs of presidential travel. So the Secret Service has to maintain offices (and probably accommodations for some agents) at various Trump properties, and rather than using eminent domain, they rent the units. Then when Trump goes to which ever property he needs to go to, he has to bring staff, so their bills get charged to the White House expense account.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:54:12am

re: #239 jaunte

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He’s nothing but a gangster. Just listen to him.

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darthstar  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:54:26am

re: #220 Skip Intro

Since WE pay all his expenses when he goes to his properties, what is that $8.6+ million being spent on?

Grift.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:57:16am

re: #229 lawhawk

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It’s virtually impossible for someone who spent their lives in NYC metro to not know where they were when the planes hit on 9/11 - or the time of when they hit. It was at the height of the morning rush hour.

It was on primary election day, which meant some who would have been at the WTC took time first to go vote - perhaps saving their lives in the process.

Trump, who saw the attacks as a way to gloat/claim/lie that his building was now the tallest in NYC.

Trump, the liar who lies about everything and anything.

Trump the know nothing who can’t remember a goddamned thing, whether it was from the one of the most tragic days in US history or what he said minutes earlier to his staff.

This is just more proof Trump doesn’t belong anywhere near the WH.

I remember reading a mystery novel about a murder that was committed on 9/11. The detectives were able to identify the suspect because he kept changing his story of what he was doing when the towers came down. (And now I can’t remember the name of the book or the author)

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 9:58:38am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

I remember reading a mystery novel about a murder that was committed on 9/11. The detectives were able to identify the suspect because he kept changing his story of what he was doing when the towers came down. (And now I can’t remember the name of the book or the author)

Maybe Trump did murder someone on 5th Avenue … only that it was during 9/11 so no one cared to investigate.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:01:15am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:03:53am

re: #246 jaunte

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And then without irony he will call the left the “real Nazis.” Rush is a white supremacist. He’s always been. He’s got no reason to be proud of anything in his life but he is and has always been a bigot who thinks he should be taken seriously because he’s a white conservative male.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:04:35am

I’m sure when the bloated piece of crap gets called out for it, he’s going to cry I WAS BEING SATIRICAL!

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Sir John Barron  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:05:55am

re: #233 lawhawk

“The witch-hunt report investigated illegally by compromised Mueller and 22 Angry Democrats totally exonerated ME!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:07:20am

re: #249 Sir John Barron

“The witch-hunt report investigated illegally by compromised Mueller and 22 Angry Democrats totally exonerated ME!”

My guess is the report has something about him that he doesn’t want people to know is true. He’s definitely not acting like someone who was cleared. And you know what, I hope he makes Barr’s life miserable too because Barr is complicit in covering this up to protect Barr’s own ass.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:08:30am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

He’s nothing but a gangster. Just listen to him.

So true

When we were talking to our Trumpster brother recently, I told him that I decided that my nickname Donald Chamberlain was unfair to Chamberlain, so it has been changed to Donald Quisling. My brother objected and proposed Donald Gotti. For some reason, my brother has no problems with a Mafia don being in charge of this nation. It was only when I then suggested that Putin was then the boss of bosses, my brother took umbrage because he asserted that there was no such position — each boss ran his own territory and did not report to someone higher. He seems fond of the notion that nations are run by gangsters.

Maybe the whole capitalistic system has degenerated with company executives being no more than well-spoken educated thugs. Certainly the Sackler family fits that model.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:08:46am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

My guess is the report has something about him that he doesn’t want people to know is true. He’s definitely not acting like someone who was cleared. And you know what, I hope he makes Barr’s life miserable too because Barr is complicit in covering this up to protect Barr’s own ass.

I hope he pisses Barr off in some manner that causes Barr to turn on him.

It is what cornered snakes do.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:11:33am

Our President is an orange John Gotti.re: #251 Hecuba’s daughter

So true

When we were talking to our Trumpster brother recently, I told him that I decided that my nickname Donald Chamberlain was unfair to Chamberlain, so it has been changed to Donald Quisling. My brother objected and proposed Donald Gotti. For some reason, my brother has no problems with a Mafia don being in charge of this nation. It was only when I then suggested that Putin was then the boss of bosses, my brother took umbrage because he asserted that there was no such position — each boss ran his own territory and did not report to someone higher. He seems fond of the notion that nations are run by gangsters.

Maybe the whole capitalistic system has degenerated with company executives being no more than well-spoken educated thugs. Certainly the Sackler family fits that model.

Gotti is who I was thinking of. Why your brother sees that as not a bad thing says a lot about him. The problem to me isn’t capitalism in itself but people like Trump who are uninterested in the public service part of public service.

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gocart mozart  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:11:36am
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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:11:49am

re: #252 ObserverArt

Unfortunately I think Barr is a natural toady, happy to serve.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:12:05am

re: #252 ObserverArt

I hope he pisses Barr off in some manner that causes Barr to turn on him.

It is what cornered snakes do.

I hope so. Barr can go to Hell but I’d like him to take out Trump with him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:12:11am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

My guess is the report has something about him that he doesn’t want people to know is true. He’s definitely not acting like someone who was cleared. And you know what, I hope he makes Barr’s life miserable too because Barr is complicit in covering this up to protect Barr’s own ass.

Barr auditioned for this post. He wasn’t covering everything up to protect himself but to protect Trump and the entire Republican Party. He knows about the ties between Russia and Republicans and was hired to keep that from becoming public knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:13:10am

re: #255 jaunte

Unfortunately I think Barr is a natural toady, happy to serve.

We’ll see how he is if Trump lashes out at him. Trump never stays happy with cabinet officials long.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:13:56am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

Barr auditioned for this post. He wasn’t covering everything up to protect himself but to protect Trump and the entire Republican Party. He knows about the ties between Russia and Republicans and was hired to keep that from becoming public knowledge.

He’s got his own ties to the Russians we’re seeing is what I’m talking about here. I believe he denied those in his confirmation hearing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:14:32am

re: #246 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh just now complains: “You can’t turn on a television show these days, white nationalism somebody explain that to me, without white nationalists being the villains.”

Because so much effort has been put into making White Nationalism an acceptable point on the political spectrum instead of something that is totally contrary to America and its values.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:16:12am

re: #232 KGxvi

For campaign stuff. So the campaign offices are in Trump buildings, so they pay rent to the Trump businesses. They “rent” a Trump property ball room for a rally. They cater events using Trump property kitchens. I’m sure the parking lots are paid parking, so every time a car goes in or out. There’s probably a bunch of stuff that they buy through the Trump Org at a mark up as well.

It’s basically money laundering and self-dealing in plain sight.

Also, when he goes golfing… the Secret Service has to rent golf carts to follow him around, and if he stays overnight they have to rent rooms (no discount). The Secret Service used to rent a floor in Trump Tower for their command center, until he tried to raise their rent to about double what any other tenants in the building pay… now the command center is in a couple of RVs parked on the street in front of the building.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:18:31am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:19:08am

I think the only reason that some of them even acknowledge the Nazis and Klan are bad is for a long time we’ve had it ingrained into our national psyche that the Nazis and Klan are bad. Rush can’t tell you that the Klan’s white supremacist ideology is evil because he doesn’t see anything wrong with white supremacist ideology. Rush can’t tell you the Nazis were evil for being totalitarian murderers because he’d be fine with that if done to his ideological enemies.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:19:40am

re: #262 jaunte

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Remember when we used to get Steyn’s stupid screeds from NRO? I ‘member.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:21:48am

Blaming the French themselves for this is such shit as is attacking that they have religious diversity. There have literally been Muslims in this country from our founding. There are Muslims that are more American than Rupert Murdoch will ever be. Rupert Murdoch is a bigoted Australian asshole who uses xenophobia whether here in the US, the UK, or his home in Australia to ferment bigotry because he’s nothing but a bigoted asshole who can’t accept the fact that he’d be nothing without the privilege he got handed to him by being a prosperous white man. Tucker Carlson is the same way. Rush too. That’s why they hate diversity because they know they are nothing.

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sagehen  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:24:17am

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

I remember reading a mystery novel about a murder that was committed on 9/11. The detectives were able to identify the suspect because he kept changing his story of what he was doing when the towers came down. (And now I can’t remember the name of the book or the author)

There was an L&O episode where a murderer had gotten away with it for 10 years because he could plausibly claim the victim had been at work at the WTC… until the body turned up in Brooklyn when a construction crew was digging in somebody’s backyard for a swimming pool.

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ObserverArt  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:26:37am

re: #255 jaunte

Unfortunately I think Barr is a natural toady, happy to serve.

True, but even toadies can get pissed off by assholes. And Trump is good at pissing off people by being an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:30:40am

re: #267 ObserverArt

True, but even toadies can get pissed off by assholes. And Trump is good at pissing off people by being an asshole.

That’s my thought. Barr is a toadie for sure but if he doesn’t give Trump exactly what he wants, he’s going to lash out. Look at Nielsen.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:36:51am

well tax season went away quietly. just the way i like it.

here’s my question for the day:

the ‘white house’ is preparing a “response” to the mueller report.
(likely due out the same moment the joke-of-a-redaction comes out)

so the administration is releasing a counter report to…. its own DOJ report

how exactly are they doing this?
who besides Barr has seen the whole thing unredacted?

if anyone actually has seen it all, then how are they gonna be able to sustain “anyone in the executive branch gets to see the whole report but no one in congress does?”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:36:59am

FFS. Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” is indulging in Goebbels-style big lies, willfully confronting and attacking easily proven facts to produce and exploit an alternate reality. Most of the art treasures were in fact saved and there are no reports of multiple origin. Dr. May is not some lunatic ranting on a street corner somewhere. He is a lunatic ranting from a prominent social and professional position. He is a long established fixture of the local gentry and has held public office.

Facebook Post

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:38:00am

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

systematic destruction of Christianity

There he goes, projecting again.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:39:11am

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

FFS. Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” is indulging in Goebbels-style big lies, willfully confronting and attacking easily proven facts to produce and exploit an alternate reality. Most of the art treasures were in fact saved and there are no reports of multiple origin. Dr. May is not some lunatic ranting on a street corner somewhere. He is a lunatic ranting from a prominent social and professional position. He is a long established fixture of the local gentry and has held public office.

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He’s trying to incite shit just like Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:39:53am

Didn’t see May say anything when those black Baptist churches were burned by a white supremacist.

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steve_davis  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:41:57am

re: #17 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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It’s like Musk is forcing the US to compete again.

shouldn’t we be using either the space elevator or the transporter more for this sort of thing by this point?

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:42:50am

re: #269 Man, DangerMan

well tax season went away quietly. just the way i like it.

here’s my question for the day:

the ‘white house’ is preparing a “response” to the mueller report.
(likely due out the same moment the joke-of-a-redaction comes out)

so the administration is releasing a counter report to…. its own DOJ report

how exactly are they doing this?
who besides Barr has seen the whole thing unredacted?

if anyone actually has seen it all, then how are they gonna be able to sustain “anyone in the executive branch gets to see the whole report but no one in congress does?”

On that last point, they can argue that there’s nothing in the DOJ regulations governing special counsel that requires release of the special counsel’s report. The only requirement is that the AG provide a report to Congress akin to what Barr produced.

But given the nature of the investigation and the parties who were investigated, they don’t really have much of a choice (in a rational world, anyway) in providing the report to Congress. If Mueller made the decision he couldn’t indict the president because of DOJ regulations/policies (see my page on this), then it must fall to Congress.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:47:42am
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Alephnaught  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:49:39am

re: #12 Teukka

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:50:37am

So, over the weekend was the Long Beach Grand Prix. I haven’t been in a few years (the last time I went, there was copious amounts of alcohol and an incident that ended with a police officer telling me and another guy that he didn’t need a fight on his street - long story), but I did drive through downtown where the race and related events happen on Sunday on my way to/from the South Bay to hang out with friends. On the way home, as people were leaving the race, there was a sidewalk preacher with megaphone telling everyone that they must repent and how far we have fallen. I started laughing as I waited at a light and heard him start going on about the “homosexual agenda” and I’m thinking “dude, know your audience… the mayor is gay… we have a big ass pride parade and festival here every year.”

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steve_davis  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:50:55am

re: #34 Belafon

I dare you to outcute this:

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the little hairy toy dog head is cute. the cloak is a bit creepy. The feet are WTF gnarly. but they work for him, and in that ensemble they seem appropriate.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:51:16am

re: #277 Alephnaught

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These guys are bigots. Pure and simple. They yearn for religious war. Gives them a lot in common with ISIS imo.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:51:33am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because so much effort has been put into making White Nationalism an acceptable point on the political spectrum instead of something that is totally contrary to America and its values.

A couple days ago, my sister and I were discussing the historical flaws in our country and she reminded me of Andrew Cuomo’s widely criticized statement, pushing back against Trump, that America was never that great . White supremacy was born in the US — it’s contrary to our stated ideals but not the values that many hold in this nation. After all, Trump would never have been elected if 10’s of millions of Americans did not support these views. Think of all those who are offended by efforts to remove Confederate statues from public places.

We need to repudiate the past and current evils : slavery, genocide of native Americans, Japanese internment camps, suppression of women and gays and transgendered among many others. Unless we can persuade many of the millions who voted for Trump of the error of their ways, we will never be able to reclaim our position as a world leader in promoting democratic values.

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danarchy  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:52:25am

re: #269 Man, DangerMan

well tax season went away quietly. just the way i like it.

here’s my question for the day:

the ‘white house’ is preparing a “response” to the mueller report.
(likely due out the same moment the joke-of-a-redaction comes out)

so the administration is releasing a counter report to…. its own DOJ report

how exactly are they doing this?
who besides Barr has seen the whole thing unredacted?

if anyone actually has seen it all, then how are they gonna be able to sustain “anyone in the executive branch gets to see the whole report but no one in congress does?”

Supposedly they wrote this report last summer, and what they are doing now is fine tuning it to focus on the obstruction charges. So while I can’t say they haven’t seen the Mueller report, they didn’t necessarily have to since they pretty much had this thing in the can ready to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:52:47am

Andy Barr took a cheap shot at AOC yesterday:

today:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:54:05am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Andy Barr took a cheap shot at AOC yesterday:

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People like Barr care more about serving Trump than their constituents.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:55:00am

re: #216 wrenchwench

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OK, I reversed the order, but these arrived together on my twitter feed. Which I keep tied high in a tree, protected by a cat.

Heh, bear baer. Incidentally, my cousin’s wife’s brother is also running for Senator in Colorado.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:55:13am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

messed that up…refresh to see the correct tweets

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danarchy  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:56:45am

re: #281 Hecuba’s daughter

A couple days ago, my sister and I were discussing the historical flaws in our country and she reminded me of Andrew Cuomo’s widely criticized statement, pushing back against Trump, that America was never that great . White supremacy was born in the US — it’s contrary to our stated ideals but not the values that many hold in this nation. After all, Trump would never have been elected if 10’s of millions of Americans did not support these views. Think of all those who are offended by efforts to remove Confederate statues from public places.

White supremacy is no stranger to the US, but the British empire and colonialism existed before the US and was pretty much all about white supremacy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:57:07am

this thread…I’m dying…

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Belafon  Apr 16, 2019 • 10:59:59am

re: #262 jaunte

I wish people would stop with using “nobody” in these contexts, unless it’s written as “nobody with actual power.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:00:23am

Who would have thunk it? Looks like both Cain and Moore are out!!

bloomberg.com

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:00:30am

re: #287 danarchy

White supremacy is no stranger to the US, but the British empire and colonialism existed before the US and was pretty much all about white supremacy.

Pretty much all of the European empires were about white supremacy.

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jaunte  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:01:05am

re: #289 Belafon

Yes, I don’t agree with him that “nobody” is seeing this as unusual.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:03:30am

re: #291 KGxvi

Pretty much all of the European empires were about white supremacy.

Usually with some religious supremacy too. The British empire definitely prided itself on the supremacy of the Protestant faith as did the Spanish with Catholicism.

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KGxvi  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:04:45am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Usually with some religious supremacy too. The British empire definitely prided itself on the supremacy of the Protestant faith as did the Spanish with Catholicism.

How many wars were fought between the various empires and kings because of Protestant vs Catholic?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:05:03am

re: #270 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

FFS. Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” is indulging in Goebbels-style big lies, willfully confronting and attacking easily proven facts to produce and exploit an alternate reality. Most of the art treasures were in fact saved and there are no reports of multiple origin. Dr. May is not some lunatic ranting on a street corner somewhere. He is a lunatic ranting from a prominent social and professional position. He is a long established fixture of the local gentry and has held public office.

Time to start pre-emptively torching some mosques, I guess…

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:06:42am

re: #275 KGxvi

On that last point, they can argue that there’s nothing in the DOJ regulations governing special counsel that requires release of the special counsel’s report. The only requirement is that the AG provide a report to Congress akin to what Barr produced.

But given the nature of the investigation and the parties who were investigated, they don’t really have much of a choice (in a rational world, anyway) in providing the report to Congress. If Mueller made the decision he couldn’t indict the president because of DOJ regulations/policies (see my page on this), then it must fall to Congress.

i just reread it. really well done

so yeah this may be where it’s heading

- one of the functions of the house is to investigate and decide whether impeachment is warranted

- meanwhile the president has the *entire* report (legal file) and withholds it from the house, thereby burying any evidence against him

forget the ‘it totally exonerates me’ or ‘if you didnt do anything wrong why cant congress see it’…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:06:44am

re: #294 KGxvi

How many wars were fought between the various empires and kings because of Protestant vs Catholic?

Too many to count. And then there’s Catholic versus Orthodox and even Protestant versus Protestant as in the English Civil War. But that alone tells me the fallacy of “Judeo Christian civilization.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:07:05am

re: #281 Hecuba’s daughter

A couple days ago, my sister and I were discussing the historical flaws in our country and she reminded me of Andrew Cuomo’s widely criticized statement, pushing back against Trump, that America was never that great .

Every country has its positive and negative aspects, for chrissakes. And although America’s faults are clear to me as someone who has read and studied our history, I can still be proud of America as a place that offered a new hope and a better life to millions of people (like my grandparents) from all over the world.

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steve_davis  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:07:40am

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I don’t think the connection is the intent of the creators so much as the filtered interpretation of the racists. The zombie apocalypse is a near-ideal metaphor for the common racist survival vision of mindless hordes of “others” pouring out of the inner cities to loot and pillage “when the welfare checks stop.” Problem is, it is also a good metaphor for other situations in which people feel threatened by a mindless mass, like me when I lived in Lubbock. If the genre is associated with racists, that is on the racists rather than the genre and its fans in general.

Nah. Walking Dead is filled with interracial and LGBTQ relationships. Land of the Dead shows the evils of parasitic capitalists and their eventual destruction. There’s a lot of libertarian fantasy going on in zombie flicks, but I find very little racism involved. It’s more people with skills survive, and people without skills are eaten, but that’s more social darwinism than racism, I would think.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:09:13am

re: #282 danarchy

Supposedly they wrote this report last summer, and what they are doing now is fine tuning it to focus on the obstruction charges. So while I can’t say they haven’t seen the Mueller report, they didn’t necessarily have to since they pretty much had this thing in the can ready to go.

ah… so both unsourced and fiction

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:11:38am

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

Who would have thunk it? Looks like both Cain and Moore are out!!

bloomberg.com

well moore dissed trump pretty good yesterday

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lawhawk  Apr 16, 2019 • 11:15:40am

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

Who would have thunk it? Looks like both Cain and Moore are out!!

bloomberg.com

Cain’s not out, but it’s up to him to continue… as per Kudlow in that article.

In other words, this is a shitshow and no one knows what’s going on. That’s exactly as Trump wants it.

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Old Liberal  Apr 16, 2019 • 1:37:28pm

re: #294 KGxvi

How many wars were fought between the various empires and kings because of Protestant vs Catholic?

Of course before there was Protestant entities it was continuous war between Catholics. And Moslems. And Orthodox Christians. It is what religion does best.


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