Comparing the Steele Dossier to the Mueller Report

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The right wing media have been obsessively pushing the lie that the Steele dossier on Trump’s contacts with Russia has been “debunked” or shown to be false. Even some mainstream sources are parroting these claims now.

But this is not the case.

In fact, the Mueller report actually verifies many parts of the dossier, and neither confirms nor debunks many other parts. The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler has a good examination of the matter, for those still interested in reality: What the Steele dossier said vs. what the Mueller report said.

“The Mueller Report substantiates the core reporting and many of the specifics in Christopher Steele’s 2016 memoranda, including that Trump campaign figures were secretly meeting Kremlin figures, that Russia was conducting a covert operation to elect Donald Trump, and that the aim of the Russian operation was to sow discord and disunity in the U.S. and within the Transatlantic Alliance,” Joshua A. Levy, counsel for Fusion GPS, told The Fact Checker. “To our knowledge, nothing in the Steele memoranda has been disproven.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:18:19am

“The Mueller Report substantiates the core reporting and many of the specifics in Christopher Steele’s 2016 memoranda, including that Trump campaign figures were secretly meeting Kremlin figures, that Russia was conducting a covert operation to elect Donald Trump, and that the aim of the Russian operation was to sow discord and disunity in the U.S. and within the Transatlantic Alliance,” Joshua A. Levy, counsel for Fusion GPS, told The Fact Checker. “To our knowledge, nothing in the Steele memoranda has been disproven.”

Wasn’t there some kind of scandal with these people? Or was that just RWNJ bullshit?

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:21:21am

No matter how much of the dossier is confirmed accurate, it will be taken as gospel by Trumpworld and the GOP base that it is all a hoax and that the real crimes are those committed by Clinton, not Trump (projecting like IMAX is one hell of a drug).

Trump spews this nonsense almost daily, and his Fox mouthpieces regurgitate it endlessly, even though significant portions of the dossier are accurate.

For one thing, the Mueller report states in no uncertain terms that Russia sought to influence the outcome of the 2016 US elections, and that their preferred outcome was a Trump win, and that Clinton was the one they needed to beat, so they directed their efforts to bolster Bernie and Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:23:47am

JFC

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:24:11am
the aim of the Russian operation was to sow discord and disunity in the U.S. and within the Transatlantic Alliance

I do have the impulse to smack anyone who uses the words “dodgy dossier” around me, so mission accomplished, I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:24:29am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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WTF

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:24:39am

If only it was this easy to remove Trump from the White House!

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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:25:40am
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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:27:21am

re: #7 Dave In Austin

What’s in the picture?

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makeitstop  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:27:26am

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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He’s sniffling again.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:29:02am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

a skunk with its head stuck in a cup

The cosmos wielding its metaphor hammer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:29:57am

The Pwnage continues:

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:35:56am

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

The Pwnage continues:

Yeah, John, our conservative values, like military service. Oh, wait, that doesn’t apply to you or Trump.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:42:48am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Skunk out in the daytime=probably rabid, although this poor little guy doesn’t know with his head in a cup.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:44:28am

re: #12 Belafon

Yeah, John, our conservative values, like military service. Oh, wait, that doesn’t apply to you or Trump.

Or Ted Nugent who you know Cornyn will gladly appear with. He seems scared of her. Good.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:46:52am

re: #13 Shropshire Slasher

Skunk out in the daytime=probably rabid, although this poor little guy doesn’t know with his head in a cup.

Not necessarily. I had to rescue a possum with his head stuck in a can of soup. He had jammed it in there, presumably to lick out the dregs, and gotten it stuck. He was wandering around on the side of the road and I pulled over and patiently yanked the can off his head, whereafter he scuttled into the underbrush.

It breaks my heart to see how many animals are suffering from this artificial world we have built in the last 100 years.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:47:52am
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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:48:44am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Presidential pardon for Rush, though.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:48:49am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:49:22am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Also, “drug dealers” is code for minorities. He’s not talking about Pharma CEOs or Unethical doctors here.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:52:55am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

But weirdly, that doesn’t apply to the Sacklers and other pharmaceutical houses that pushed these opioids claiming that they weren’t addictive, lied about the addictive nature, and profited not only off the addictive nature of the drugs, but then claimed to have drugs that could counter the addictive effects and sell those too.

Nope, the death penalty applies to people who are street level dealers who made a fraction of what the Sacklers made. The death penalty also applies to the users who bought the drugs illegally on the street.

That’s Trump’s solution.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:53:16am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure he exempts the Sackler family!

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:55:06am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, “drug dealers” is code for minorities. He’s not talking about Pharma CEOs or Unethical doctors here.

Or the money men that fund the buy to bring the drugs in. They are businessmen so they are good with Trump, probably some Republicans too.

Anyone notice he said China was bringing in fentanyl but did no mention of how it comes in? In other words, not coming in through the border.

I’m kind of surprised he didn’t say closing the border will help keep it out too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 11:57:28am

He doesn’t understand anything other than promoting himself.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:02:31pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t understand anything other than promoting himself.

And he’s losing his grip on that.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:04:20pm

“…Trump’s refusal to protect elections accompanies a de-emphasis — one enforced by John Bolton — on cybersecurity generally.

This is, quite literally, a case where the Commander-in-Chief is refusing to take the action necessary to protect the country from being attacked in the same way were most recently were attacked.”

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:08:27pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t understand anything other than promoting himself.

I’m not sure that he even really understands that, his brand has always been shit. I think Ana Marie Cox a few weeks back on her pod described it as “classy but on the cheap” which is just fucking perfect.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:08:46pm

re: #25 jaunte

Trump is literally and figurative the guy most likely to be acting like Gaius Baltar on BSG - except dumber, far less scheming and capable, but attracted to women and driven by power.

Trump’s the guy who thinks power is an end to itself, and doesn’t care about our security - only his own.

Trump’s the guy who thinks that he’s smarter than everyone else in the room, and silences critics who tell him what he needs to hear.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:08:46pm

re: #26 KGxvi

I’m not sure that he even really understands that, his brand has always been shit. I think Ana Marie Cox a few weeks back on her pod described it as “classy but on the cheap” which is just fucking perfect.

True

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:11:46pm

re: #26 KGxvi

I’m not sure that he even really understands that, his brand has always been shit. I think Ana Marie Cox a few weeks back on her pod described it as “classy but on the cheap” which is just fucking perfect.

He’s the hotel owner who thinks he’s smart because he hired a guy to brass-plate the shiny stuff that would normally be gold-plated, then cheated the brass-plating guy.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:12:58pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:13:24pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, “drug dealers” is code for minorities. He’s not talking about Pharma CEOs or Unethical doctors here.

Well, the War on Drugs was the War on Blacks as far back as the 60’s…

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:13:41pm

re: #26 KGxvi

I’m not sure that he even really understands that, his brand has always been shit. I think Ana Marie Cox a few weeks back on her pod described it as “classy but on the cheap” which is just fucking perfect.

Trump’s business model is Slums For The Rich.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:16:34pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:17:02pm

His son is currently working on bankrupting Alex Jones

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:17:34pm

OMG BUTTEREMAILS!!!!!!

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:17:49pm
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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:18:45pm

re: #30 jaunte

He doesn’t want to do POTUS, he just wants to be one.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:19:18pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

OMG BUTTEREMAILS!!!!!!

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Fmr FBI Official and Current Nut Job…

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:20:05pm

re: #25 jaunte

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“…Trump’s refusal to protect elections accompanies a de-emphasis — one enforced by John Bolton — on cybersecurity generally.

This is, quite literally, a case where the Commander-in-Chief is refusing to take the action necessary to protect the country from being attacked in the same way were most recently were attacked.”

Could someone explain to me how Marcy Wheeler went from Fire Dog Lake to being an expert in Security? She has a degree in Lit and I think I missed where she gathered her expertise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:20:33pm

re: #36 MsJ

Conservative “values” like grabbing ‘em by the pussy, raw-dogging a porn star after your third wife (or was it fourth…I lose track) after cheating on every single wife to date. Those are some amazing “values” conservatives have.

They value success, and “success” is measured in money, influence and toxic “alpha” masculinity.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:20:34pm

re: #38 Mike Lamb

Fmr FBI Official and Current Nut Job…

And forever right wing loser.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:21:59pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS.

These twits don’t realize that the FBI and State Dept had these emails all along, which is why shutting down her server and deleting it as per the rules in place at the time were fine. They had the records. There’s nothing to this except “BUT HER EMAILS”.

All the while, Trumpworld gives people security clearances they have no right to have, including Jared and Ivanka, ignores actual security protocols, ignores PDBs daily, ignores Russia as a threat to US national security and elections, and otherwise fails to do their jobs, but Trump and the right wing echo chamber thinks that the FBI’s job should be to endlessly investigate HRC and put her in prison for reasons.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:22:31pm

re: #39 MsJ

I don’t know.

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piratedan  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:23:33pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

well these days ‘Conservative Values” pretty much consist of these tenets:

fuck the poor
fuck the immigrants
women are chattel
theocracy is the best “ocracy”
fuck your feelings
fuck the environment

so yeah, I’m on board with the attack on Conservative Values

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:23:45pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

OMG BUTTEREMAILS!!!!!!

[ former top FBI official claims the bureau found messaegs…]

Um, mess of eggs?

That’s from the linked page, not just the tweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:23:55pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

OMG BUTTEREMAILS!!!!!!

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Wait…Obama has his own White House now?

Damn….

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:24:30pm

re: #39 MsJ

Wikipedia:

Wheeler’s reputation as a blogger stems from her analysis of the outing of the covert CIA identity of Valerie E. Wilson, also known as Valerie Plame, and the Bush administration’s justification for 2003 invasion of Iraq and the Iraq War. Several of her posts led to follow-up stories in the mainstream media. As their first book publication by FDL Books (Vaster Books), “in order to have Marcy [Wheeler]’s work seen by a larger audience,” FireDogLake and Daily Kos jointly published her book on the CIA leak scandal, entitled Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the Iraq War and Out a Spy, on January 28, 2007.
en.wikipedia.org

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:25:27pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s business model is Slums For The Rich.

I think you’ve got that backwards… I think it’s more What Poor People Think Rich People Like.

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gwangung  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:26:35pm

re: #39 MsJ

Could someone explain to me how Marcy Wheeler went from Fire Dog Lake to being an expert in Security? She has a degree in Lit and I think I missed where she gathered her expertise.

If you work around experts in the field long enough, you do pick up enough expertise to talk knowledgeably about it. Most of the expertise in that field is gathered by doing it, and not training.

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:26:47pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Shocking that the people who would have been sending and/or receiving those emails would have… those emails.

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:27:27pm

re: #49 gwangung

If you work around experts in the field long enough, you do pick up enough expertise to talk knowledgeably about it. Most of the expertise in that field is gathered by doing it, and not training.

In my experience, that holds true for most fields.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:27:29pm
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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:27:35pm

re: #47 jaunte

Wikipedia: Wheeler’s reputation as a blogger stems from her analysis of the outing of the covert CIA identity of Valerie E. Wilson, also known as Valerie Plame, and the Bush administration’s justification for 2003 invasion of Iraq and the Iraq War. Several of her posts led to follow-up stories in the mainstream media. As their first book publication by FDL Books (Vaster Books), “in order to have Marcy [Wheeler]’s work seen by a larger audience,” FireDogLake and Daily Kos jointly published her book on the CIA leak scandal, entitled Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to Sell the Iraq War and Out a Spy, on January 28, 2007.
en.wikipedia.org

Forgive me…I do not find expertise apparent there. I may or not agree (or disagree) with her but that is a huge stretch to consider her some kind of security expert.

Meh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:28:52pm

re: #48 KGxvi

I think you’ve got that backwards… I think it’s more What Poor People Think Rich People Like.

Well his dad was a slumlord, and young Donald had to go around to collect the rents. He learned all about slum building (use the cheapest materials, ignore codes & stiff contractors), slum maintenance (just let the place fall to shit) and rent collecting (it’s easier to collect rents from rich people than from poor people).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:29:17pm

He’s a cheap ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:29:29pm

re: #51 KGxvi

In my experience, that holds true for most fields.

It’s just that some fields need a lot more training before you can even set foot in them…doctors only start “learning by doing” after four years of med school.

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makeitstop  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:30:33pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Except for the drugs peddled by your super-rich Big Pharma buddies, of course.

And him and his Adderal.

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:32:05pm

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Well his dad was a slumlord, and young Donald had to go around to collect the rents. He learned all about slum building (use the cheapest materials, ignore codes & stiff contractors), slum maintenance (just let the place fall to shit) and rent collecting (it’s easier to collect rents from rich people than from poor people).

All fair points, but most rich people won’t put up with shoddy work and maintenance. It’s a balance between tenants that have enough money but not enough sophistication to know when they’re being taken.

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piratedan  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:32:16pm

re: #53 MsJ

i consider her an informed amateur, i’m not sure she connects the dots properly, but she’s making an honest attempt to understand and inform. I trust Malcolm Nance far more or even Adam Silverman over at Balloon Juice. Still, I have no problems with her asking questions because she does ask some good ones and some of her guesses do at least have some thought placed into them.

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:33:53pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:36:12pm

re: #60 jaunte

Securing our elections from foreign influence is not something the President can choose to opt out of because of his ego.

Our President can go out and commence military hostilities because of his ego if he so chooses…

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:36:37pm

re: #60 jaunte

We can probably add this to the list I was working on in the last thread of articles of impeachment.

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:39:55pm

re: #49 gwangung

If you work around experts in the field long enough, you do pick up enough expertise to talk knowledgeably about it. Most of the expertise in that field is gathered by doing it, and not training.

One of my former managers at my software engineering company has his degree in music with a concentration in pipe organ.

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mmmirele  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:41:02pm

This. Ugh.

HOLY CRAP there are so many passages where women are raped or otherwise sexually abused and you’re going to find God and Jesus in them?

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:41:34pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s just that some fields need a lot more training before you can even set foot in them…doctors only start “learning by doing” after four years of med school.

Yeah, but that’s after a few hundred years of the field existing, and lives being at stake.

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gwangung  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:42:37pm

re: #63 Belafon

One of my former managers at my software engineering company has his degree in music with a concentration in pipe organ.

Yeah. Also, I don’t have a degree in theatre, and have only take one class in it.

On the other hand, doing 40 years of theatre DOES lend some expertise….

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retired cynic  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:46:19pm

from last thread:
re: #390 KGxvi

Current potential articles of impeachment:

1-10: obstruction of justice (one article for each example in the Mueller report)
11: emoluments clauses violations
12: abuse of power (declaration of national emergency per Youngstown Steel)
13: contempt of Congress (failing to comply with valid subpoenas), this could be multiple articles like the obstruction of justice articles
14: campaign finance violations (Stormy Daniels/Russia/Wikileaks)
15: graft/corruption (this was used against Secretary of War Belknap)

Some of those could probably involve multiple articles. And there’s probably a few more articles that you could draw up.

compare and contrast:
Watergate Info: Articles of Impeachment

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Teukka  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:46:35pm
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William Lewis  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:47:21pm

re: #64 mmmirele

This. Ugh.

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HOLY CRAP there are so many passages where women are raped or otherwise sexually abused and you’re going to find God and Jesus in them?

Even if one accepts the idea of divine inspiration, much of the Bible describes history in the sense that these are actions taken by humans and written down by human hands. God, when present, is mostly face palming at the idiocy being committed by those living in creation and telling the prophets to try and help the morons get their act together.

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sagehen  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:47:41pm

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s just that some fields need a lot more training before you can even set foot in them…doctors only start “learning by doing” after four years of med school.

um… not exactly.

Fourth year med students do six-week rotations at half a dozen specialty postings; there’s more than a dozen to choose from, so they aren’t all doing the same. It’s one of the ways they decide which internships and residencies they want to apply to. I don’t remember all of my brothers’ rotations, just that his psych rotation creeped him the hell out, and the pediatrics rotation was commonly referred to as “veterinary medicine” (because the patients are mostly non-verbal, and it’s a lot of guesswork to figure out what’s bothering them).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:50:09pm

re: #70 sagehen

um… not exactly.

point being, it is not something you pick up on the fly without a solid theoretical grounding

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:51:04pm

Butina was not a spy in the traditional sense of trying to gain access to classified information to send back to her home country. She was not a trained intelligence officer. But the actions she took were nonetheless taken on behalf of [Torshin] for the benefit of the Russian Federation, and those actions had the potential to damage the national security of the United States.

It’s amateurs all the way down.

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mmmirele  Apr 24, 2019 • 12:52:07pm

re: #66 gwangung

Yeah. Also, I don’t have a degree in theatre, and have only take one class in it.

On the other hand, doing 40 years of theatre DOES lend some expertise….

All my computing experience I’ve either picked up because of my fascination with computers or on the job over the last 20 years. It’s that experience which allows me to ask the questions I do at problem management meetings. But my shallow but wide experience on a lot of topics also gives me the background to move from a database issue one day to a foreign telephony issue the next, to a network issue the day after. As far as security goes, that is one area where I can ask some questions but might have to research the answers.

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garzooma  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:00:19pm

re: #60 jaunte

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Amy Klobuchar

Securing our elections from foreign influence is not something the President can choose to opt out of because of his ego.

How about if he chooses to opt out because he wants foreign influence?

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jaunte  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:01:02pm

re: #74 garzooma

“Well that’s ok, then.”
–GOP

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:02:00pm

re: #74 garzooma

re: #60 jaunte

How about if he chooses to opt out because he wants foreign influence?

This is my theory. He thinks he’s fucked in the next election if Russia can’t help him win again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:03:05pm

re: #64 mmmirele

This. Ugh.

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HOLY CRAP there are so many passages where women are raped or otherwise sexually abused and you’re going to find God and Jesus in them?

He’s jealous because he never made anyone yell “Oh Gawd” during sex.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:03:17pm

re: #75 jaunte

“Well that’s ok, then.”
–GOP

“They offered! It would be rude to decline!”

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:06:40pm

re: #72 jaunte

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It’s amateurs all the way down.

Just think if it wasn’t. And just think if some other “republican” had some political skills just how fucked the US would be.

Thank god for amateurs.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:08:33pm

re: #72 jaunte

Just because they’re amateurs doesn’t make the damage they did any less significant, or any less of a crime.

Espionage doesn’t require professional acts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:10:33pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Just because they’re amateurs doesn’t make the damage they did any less significant, or any less of a crime.

Espionage doesn’t require professional acts.

Especially when the targets of said espionage are complete fucking idiots.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:12:13pm

re: #39 MsJ

Could someone explain to me how Marcy Wheeler went from Fire Dog Lake to being an expert in Security? She has a degree in Lit and I think I missed where she gathered her expertise.

I know people respect and quote her, but I have the hardest damn time following her writing.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:13:18pm

re: #64 mmmirele

This. Ugh.

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HOLY CRAP there are so many passages where women are raped or otherwise sexually abused and you’re going to find God and Jesus in them?

Isn’t for many the whole goal of The Bible at this point is to have a massive collection of passages to take out of context so that you have a ready made argument from authority that will back any particular opinion or decision you want?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:16:55pm

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t for many the whole goal of The Bible at this point is to have a massive collection of passages to take out of context so that you have a ready made argument from authority that will back any particular opinion or decision you want?

The Bible is stories, proverbs, poems, history, fantasy…and a few guidelines for treating others well.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:17:26pm

I’ll say this for Illinois (my home state): corruption is bipartisan.

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:18:05pm

re: #82 Barefoot Grin

I know people respect and quote her, but I have the hardest damn time following her writing.

People like and respect her because she says what people want her to say. She’s not much different than the multitude of people out there (on both sides).

It’s the way of the world.

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sagehen  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:19:54pm

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t for many the whole goal of The Bible at this point is to have a massive collection of passages to take out of context so that you have a ready made argument from authority that will back any particular opinion or decision you want?

Read it? READ IT?!?! No no no.

The goal of the bible is to be something to whack other people over the head with.

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William Lewis  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:28:36pm

re: #87 sagehen

Read it? READ IT?!?! No no no.

The goal of the bible is to be something to whack other people over the head with.

One thing I respect more than anything else in Judaism is the serious study of Torah and Talmud by everyone. The idea of serious study got lost along the way and it has hurt Christianity tremendously.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:29:02pm

re: #85 Barefoot Grin

Crikies - Illinois governors are 2 prisoners (One D, One R) in the last 3.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:30:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:30:30pm

re: #88 William Lewis

One thing I respect more than anything else in Judaism is the serious study of Torah and Talmud by everyone. The idea of serious study got lost along the way and it has hurt Christianity tremendously.

Study AND application. You can read something that sounds good all day long but unless you actually DO IT, there’s no point.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:31:59pm

re: #90 lawhawk

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He’s a lot like Trump. Can’t deal with people who don’t think he’s wonderful.

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gwangung  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:33:24pm

re: #90 lawhawk

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Oh, no, Bernie……white nationalism is RIGHT NOW. Don’t replay ancient history.

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lawhawk  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:36:01pm

re: #88 William Lewis

To wit:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:36:17pm

re: #93 gwangung

Oh, no, Bernie……white nationalism is RIGHT NOW. Don’t replay ancient history.

Seriously. What are YOU doing now, Bernie and don’t say wages. That’s got squat to do with it. What a clueless, angry man he is.

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:37:51pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Seriously. What are YOU doing now, Bernie and don’t say wages. That’s got squat to do with it. What a clueless, angry man he is.

I wonder if TomP will write about this over at Daily Kos. :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:39:09pm

re: #96 Belafon

I wonder if TomP will write about this over at Daily Kos. :)

Someone should.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:39:30pm

Btw seems Beto did great at the same event.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:40:13pm

re: #88 William Lewis

One thing I respect more than anything else in Judaism is the serious study of Torah and Talmud by everyone. The idea of serious study got lost along the way and it has hurt Christianity tremendously.

All good Baptists take notes on Sunday mornings and Wend. nites. What they do with that wisdom afterwards remains one of the great mysteries.

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William Lewis  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:46:55pm

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

True. What you believe is essentially irrelevant while what you do is what counts. The letter of James says that too and perhaps started as a synagogue sermon.

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:47:21pm

re: #85 Barefoot Grin

I’ll say this for Illinois (my home state): corruption is bipartisan.

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And we have a whole wing at Statesville dedicated to IL politicians.

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:48:02pm

re: #89 Eric The Fruit Bat

Crikies - Illinois governors are 2 prisoners (One D, One R) in the last 3.

More if you go back farther.

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:48:18pm
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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:49:09pm

re: #25 jaunte

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“…Trump’s refusal to protect elections accompanies a de-emphasis — one enforced by John Bolton — on cybersecurity generally.

This is, quite literally, a case where the Commander-in-Chief is refusing to take the action necessary to protect the country from being attacked in the same way were most recently were attacked.”

and everyone* else seems to be ok with it

*house and senate R’s and the media

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:53:42pm

re: #103 Belafon

Who will be the Trump administration’s John Dean?

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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:55:08pm

question for boeing: was it worth it?

Boeing’s profit falls 21% on the 737 Max crisis


Boeing loses $25BILLION in value as aeroplanes grounded following Ethiopian Airlines crash

short term profits before people before long term profits

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:55:23pm

re: #67 retired cynic

from last thread:

compare and contrast:
Watergate Info: Articles of Impeachment

I actually double checked the Nixon Articles. As I’ve said, there’s plenty more articles that could be filed and voted on.

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William Lewis  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:55:39pm

re: #94 lawhawk

Beautiful. I personally approach the resurrection of Jesus and the second coming similarly. Myths are the Truth by which we live.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:56:41pm

here’s a fun thread:

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makeitstop  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:57:20pm

I just watched this clip of Trump from this morning.

As someone who has been there, and seen a lot of my friends who have been there, I can say without qualification that dude is fucked. Up.

Seriously. He’s fucking trashed. Look at him. Listen to him. Numb City.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 24, 2019 • 1:58:38pm

re: #103 Belafon

And if you want to add insult to injury, treat them like they did (and our doing) to Chelsea Manning.

What’s goose for the gander….

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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:00:44pm

re: #106 Man, DangerMan

question for boeing: was it worth it?

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Boeing’s profit falls 21% on the 737 Max crisis


Boeing loses $25BILLION in value as aeroplanes grounded following Ethiopian Airlines crash

short term profits before people before long term profits

Depends on who you mean by “Boeing”? If you mean their institutional and non-institutional long term shareholders, they’re probably getting fucked. If you mean their corporate executives who could have engaged in insider trading by selling shares before these reports hit? They’re probably going to be fine, especially if they’ve got golden parachutes in their employment agreements.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:02:05pm
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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:03:13pm

re: #110 makeitstop

I just watched this clip of Trump from this morning.

As someone who has been there, and seen a lot of my friends who have been there, I can say without qualification that dude is fucked. Up.

Seriously. He’s fucking trashed. Look at him. Listen to him. Numb City.

Definitely not the motivational speech from Independence Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:03:53pm

and ANOTHER recommendation for a book he hasn’t read…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:04:23pm
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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:04:31pm

Interesting thread on Joe Biden’s handling of the Anita Hill hearings by Kurt Eichenwald.

It is far more sympathetic and fact based than many of the ‘snippets’ that have recently come out.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:04:37pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

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Oh my lol.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:04:44pm

re: #106 Man, DangerMan

question for boeing: was it worth it?

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Boeing’s profit falls 21% on the 737 Max crisis


Boeing loses $25BILLION in value as aeroplanes grounded following Ethiopian Airlines crash

short term profits before people before long term profits

And the executives will still get ALL their bonuses. Guaranteed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:08:16pm
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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:08:29pm

By the way, Kurt Eichenwald has epilepsy and has a recent book on it out.

He was attacked a couple of years ago by rightwing nutjobs sending him triggering flashing gifs. Last I checked, at least one was been caught and is being prosecuted

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:08:56pm

re: #119 Eclectic Cyborg

And the executives will still get ALL their bonuses. Guaranteed.

This is where we invoke the Vir Cotto world view….

Babylon 5: Vir gets what he wants

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:09:24pm

re: #94 lawhawk

To wit:

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Thank you. That was a wonderful read.

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sagehen  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:14:12pm

re: #88 William Lewis

One thing I respect more than anything else in Judaism is the serious study of Torah and Talmud by everyone. The idea of serious study got lost along the way and it has hurt Christianity tremendously.

I’ve never done any serious Talmudic study… but we’re told repeatedly that the whole point of it is debate and interpretation and rebuttals of Torah portions. That there is no “right” answer, it’s the considering all possibilities that’s important. The Torah is short enough you could read it in a few hours; the Talmud is so huge you’d never get through it all in an entire lifetime.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:15:02pm
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makeitstop  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:16:37pm
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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:17:29pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Answers to Republican “questions”: total exoneration, no collusion
Answers to Democratic questions: fuck you, I don’t care, no seriously, fuck you

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:17:54pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Because Trump can trust Barr to be beligerent and not say anything useful.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:24:10pm

...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:26:19pm

re: #128 Belafon

Because Trump can trust Barr to be beligerent and not say anything useful blatantly lie.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:28:03pm

re: #126 makeitstop

Deutsche Bank has begun turning over docs to the NYAG, including those related to Trump International Hotel in DC, the Trump National Doral Miami, the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago and Trump’s unsuccessful effort to buy the Buffalo Bills.

He’s fucked.

I’m fairly confident there’s a ton of shady bullshit to be found in those documents. And a lot of that shady is probably illegal - enough for the NYAG to bring charges if they decide to.

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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:29:23pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully not on the two days I will be in the UK passing through. Outbound, we have 10 hours in London…coming back just a two hour layover.

Trump and all the protests that will take place is going to seriously muck up everything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:29:40pm
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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:31:13pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Respected by whom? Not by meem. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:31:48pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now you see Max why your party doesn’t deserve power.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:32:04pm

re: #134 MsJ

Respected by whom? Not by meem. ;-)

Ha true.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:34:00pm
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MsJ  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:34:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:34:59pm

These guys are pathetic but this is the party of Watergate and Iran Contra.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:35:30pm

re: #138 MsJ

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Put his money where his mouth was. Good for him.

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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:39:24pm

re: #112 KGxvi

Depends on who you mean by “Boeing”? If you mean their institutional and non-institutional long term shareholders, they’re probably getting fucked. If you mean their corporate executives who could have engaged in insider trading by selling shares before these reports hit? They’re probably going to be fine, especially if they’ve got golden parachutes in their employment agreements.

absolutely

and if asked directly they’d probably say yeah, it was still worth the risk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:40:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:42:38pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a delicate little flower isn’t he? He knows Russia helped him with his approval and his inner circle knows it being brought up will upset the baby.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:44:35pm

Warren is bringing it:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:45:26pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Warren is bringing it:

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Yes she is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:45:41pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:49:56pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s used as an icon by a (rather cranky, IIRC, not judging, cranky is OK) lizard.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:52:43pm
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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:54:40pm

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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:56:29pm

re: #124 sagehen

I’ve never done any serious Talmudic study… but we’re told repeatedly that the whole point of it is debate and interpretation and rebuttals of Torah portions. That there is no “right” answer, it’s the considering all possibilities that’s important. The Torah is short enough you could read it in a few hours; the Talmud is so huge you’d never get through it all in an entire lifetime.

my favorite Hillel quote is:

“That which is hateful to you, do not unto another: This is the whole Torah. The rest is commentary — [and now] go study.”

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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:56:51pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Basically he is deliberately obscuring the difference between Title III and Foreign Intelligence Purpose warrants. One is designed to prosecute under the criminal justice system. The other is designed to figure if there is spying going on.

It Ain’t Easy Getting a FISA Warrant

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:57:17pm
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TedStriker  Apr 24, 2019 • 2:57:59pm

re: #151 ckkatz

Basically he is deliberately obscuring the difference between Title III and Foreign Intelligence Purpose warrants. One is designed to prosecute under the criminal justice system. The other is designed to figure if there is spying going on.

It Ain’t Easy Getting a FISA Warrant

I have to wonder if and against whom the Trump admin has FISA warrants against…

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:00:37pm
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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:02:02pm

re: #153 TedStriker

I have to wonder if and against whom the Trump admin has FISA warrants against…

Very true! I also am wondering.

And, as they say…
Those who tell do not know. And those who know, do not tell.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:02:44pm

re: #64 mmmirele

This. Ugh.

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HOLY CRAP there are so many passages where women are raped or otherwise sexually abused and you’re going to find God and Jesus in them?

But then you have Yael and Judith who killed their rapists.

Yeah, women were abused so often it seems like that was the normal pattern back in the day.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:04:34pm
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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:06:15pm

re: #156 The Vicious Babushka

But then you have Yael and Judith who killed their rapists.

Yeah, women were abused so often it seems like that was the normal pattern back in the day.

This seems appropriate:

Dogma - God Is A Woman

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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:14:42pm

re: #158 KGxvi

Wow! I just read a summary of the film Dogma. That is quite a mix of theology and stoner’ism’. I am going to be parsing that out far longer than it probably should be.

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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:15:32pm
The U.S. is dealing with the largest outbreak of measles cases since the disease was eliminated in 2000, according to an analysis by CNN.

As of this week, there have been 681 measles cases across 22 states, …citing data from state and local health departments.

the most fundamental boiled down definition of ‘science’ is determining and documenting “what works”

anti-vaxxing does not work

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:17:05pm

re: #105 Eric The Fruit Bat

Who will be the Trump administration’s John Dean?

I may be behind with this..but I think it will be almost like John Dean and it will be McGhan.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:17:09pm

re: #60 jaunte

Kirstjen Nielsen, the former homeland security secretary, tried to raise the issue of potential interference in the 2020 election, but was told not to mention it in front of President Trump.
In Push for 2020 Election Security, Top Official Was Warned: Don’t Tell Trump
As homeland security secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen became increasingly worried about Russian attempts to influence the 2020 election. But she..

So Kirstjen was actually concerned about something that is really harming us but was stymied by Trump and his staff who are fine with Russian interference. Never thought there would be a policy concern of hers that we should all share. What I don’t understand is why Bolton isn’t equally concerned.

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DangerMan  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:19:14pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

So Kirstjen was actually concerned about something that is really harming us but was stymied by Trump and his staff who are fine with Russian interference. Never thought there would be a policy concern of hers that we should all share. What I don’t understand is why Bolton isn’t equally concerned.

he’s an asshat?

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:20:06pm

re: #163 Man, DangerMan

he’s an asshat?

Or complicit.

Ed. to suggest; and/or

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TedStriker  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:20:39pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

So Kirstjen was actually concerned about something that is really harming us but was stymied by Trump and his staff who are fine with Russian interference. Never thought there would be a policy concern of hers that we should all share. What I don’t understand is why Bolton isn’t equally concerned.

Because Walrus Man is so close to setting the Middle East on fire for his own personal gratification; if the Russians are helping Trump (and, by extension, himself) get and stay in power, that’s a necessary price to pay.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:21:17pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:22:58pm

re: #165 TedStriker

Because Walrus Man is so close to setting the Middle East on fire for his own personal gratification.

More explicitly (and revoltingly), Bolton is the kind of sick fuck who can’t get it up for anything other than war.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:26:44pm
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KGxvi  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:30:16pm

re: #159 ckkatz

Wow! I just read a summary of the film Dogma. That is quite a mix of theology and stoner’ism’. I am going to be parsing that out far longer than it probably should be.

It’s a great flick. Kevin Smith was raised Catholic, I believe, and that’s where a lot of the stuff comes from.

Sadly, it’s not streaming anywhere because when it was released there were all kinds of protests, so apparently Miramax or whomever produced it transferred the rights to the Weinsteins and since that happened before digital rights, it’s stuck on DVD since the Weinsteins have their current issues.

Also, fun aside:

SMarchive #10: Kevin Protests at a Local DOGMA Screening - S.I.T

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BeenHereAwhile  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:32:41pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s business model is Slums For The Rich.

Trump first gained notoriety as a bust-out artist then moved into money laundering using foreign banks as a cutout, when US banks would no longer do business with him.

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:52:27pm

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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He’s letting Barr testify because he thinks Barr did a good job with his Bill Barr Letter.

Little does he know.

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ckkatz  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:54:50pm

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

So Kirstjen was actually concerned about something that is really harming us but was stymied by Trump and his staff who are fine with Russian interference. Never thought there would be a policy concern of hers that we should all share. What I don’t understand is why Bolton isn’t equally concerned.

Understanding that she threw away human decency with her department’s treatment of desperate refugees and then threw away any honor when she lied about it; I am reluctant to believe any claims of decency coming from her side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 3:56:03pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:13:41pm

re: #124 sagehen

I’ve never done any serious Talmudic study… but we’re told repeatedly that the whole point of it is debate and interpretation and rebuttals of Torah portions. That there is no “right” answer, it’s the considering all possibilities that’s important. The Torah is short enough you could read it in a few hours; the Talmud is so huge you’d never get through it all in an entire lifetime.

The Talmud Bavli contains 20 volumes, which is a lot, but if you learn 2 pages a day it takes about 7 years to complete the entire cycle.

Z has completed a Siyum Hashas several times. 4 of my sons, and my oldest grandson, have completed the cycle at least once.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:15:56pm

and the shenanigans continue:

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:17:06pm

re: #150 Man, DangerMan

my favorite Hillel quote is:

Don’t be a dick to other people!

This was his reply to a person who asked if he could teach the entire Torah while standing on one foot.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:20:12pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:26:37pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:27:40pm

Anyone else getting sick of hearing conservatives/Republicans crying about the Democrats are being too hesitant on impeaching Trump?

Because I am, and here is why.

I haven’t heard too many of them say anything about Republicans helping so that it can be done properly and he can be kicked out by the Republican Senate.

Amazingly after some of that kind of talk yesterday on Nicole Wallace’s show on MSNBC, she at least brought that very fact up and asked if anyone was going to talk about their responsibility as Republicans?

Once again…Republicans fuck shit up and then rely on Democrats to fix it up so they can go back to bitching about Democrats.

Yeah, I want Washington fixed too.

Maybe if we can get Trump gone and get hold of the Senate we can all work to rid this country of the Republican party. It is very much needed.

In the meantime…fuck you Republicans! Shut up, sit down, follow the Democrats lead in the investigation and do the right thing…for once.

Assholes have no standing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:32:58pm

These Fox News fuckheads literally want a war with Mexico.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:35:07pm

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

These Fox News fuckheads literally want a war with Mexico.

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Enlist already Lou.

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piratedan  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:39:20pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

yeah Lou, grab a rifle and stand a post, I’m sure I can find you some border to monitor around Naco…. bring your own folding chair and a bottle of water.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:42:18pm

moron

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:45:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:47:49pm

re: #184 The Vicious Babushka

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The Bible also says something about bearing false witness which you and your bigoted father did all the time to people who weren’t angry Evangelical assholes.

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William Lewis  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:50:25pm

re: #174 The Vicious Babushka

The Talmud Bavli contains 20 volumes, which is a lot, but if you learn 2 pages a day it takes about 7 years to complete the entire cycle.

Z has completed a Siyum Hashas several times. 4 of my sons, and my oldest grandson, have completed the cycle at least once.

I did that in English for a year for just the Pirke Avot; i learned much from it. To do the whole thing would be fascinating to me.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:51:41pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:54:26pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:55:37pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:56:30pm

Has Trump said anything about “defeated” ISIS today since they posted photos of some of the Sri Lanka bombers?

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:56:32pm

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[An explosive device goes off inside Clark Co. Historical Museum]

Are they trying to blow up their measles?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 4:57:24pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

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Yep it’s yet another obstruction by the Orange Obstructer.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:02:34pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:04:03pm

“… The new lawsuit, reported by BuzzFeed court and justice reporter Zoe Tillman, mentions the word “Trump” thirty-five times.

“Plaintiff’s complaints demonstrate that the National Rifle Association (“NRA”) violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by using a complex network of shell corporations to unlawfully coordinate expenditures with the campaigns of at least seven candidates for federal office, thereby making millions of dollars of illegal, unreported, and excessive in-kind contributions, including up to $25 million in illegal contributions to now President Donald J. Trump,” the lawsuit charged. …”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:06:12pm

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Shut it down.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:06:17pm

Cheeto Benito will have a Tweetragegasm over this:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:09:10pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Tweet with the image deleted apparently, but still visible, so

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:10:10pm

re: #197 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Tweet with the image deleted apparently, but still visible, so

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Funny Mike that sounds like you and Glenn and Cenk minus the age.

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:13:14pm

re: #189 Patricia Kayden

David Jolly ✔
@DavidJollyFL
Something worth considering:

If Trump exerts executive privilege to prohibit testimony by senior aides, the answer isn’t 6 months of litigation.

The answer is to say fine, we’re having a hearing with or without you, & we’re moving to an impeachment inquiry vote by Memorial Day.

8:01 AM - Apr 24, 2019

Jolly was one of the conservatives on Nicole Wallace’s show yesterday that was crying about the Democrats approach to impeaching Trump.

He was also quiet when Wallace asked if anyone on the conservative/Republican side of things was going to do anything?

I have a feeling Jolly is the kind of guy that will be glad Democrats got Trump out so he can quit calling himself an independent.

I don’t hear people like Jolly say they are going to the Democratic party. What does that tell you?

It tells me not to trust Jolly and others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:24:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:26:45pm

WANT!

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teleskiguy  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:28:45pm

Well, just got a 12 hour Twitter jail sentence for sending @TeamCornyn a string of obscenities. No tweeting from me until tomorrow.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:29:42pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aren’t you the guy constantly being praised by Nazis, Tucker?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:29:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:30:13pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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These young people give me hope:

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:30:44pm

re: #197 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Tweet with the image deleted apparently, but still visible, so

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Protected account. Only its allowed followers can see it. Like you, apparently.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:33:20pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure he’s another guy who has seen Kyle in his days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:34:23pm

heh

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:42:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:43:45pm

re: #212 The Vicious Babushka

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Franklin Graham is a principle lacking racist piece of inbred shit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:43:52pm

re: #212 The Vicious Babushka

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:44:57pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Franklin Graham is a principle lacking racist piece of inbred shit.

Fake Christian…that is the real news.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:47:24pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Franklin Graham is a principle lacking racist piece of inbred shit.

And those are his good qualities!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:50:04pm

meanwhile in Australia:
Man robs servo wearing recyclable shopping bag on his head

Just before 8.30pm the man walked into the store on Lower King Street, Caboolture, with the bag on his head and threatened the female attendant with a knife.

The staff member complied, handing him cash and cigarettes, which he placed in the bag after removing it from his head.

There is video and photos at the link.

I can’t stop laughing.

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garzooma  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:52:55pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Australia:
Man robs servo wearing recyclable shopping bag on his head

There is video and photos at the link.

I can’t stop laughing.

That’s not a knife.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:53:16pm

OK, that’s new

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:54:02pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:54:46pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, that’s new

[Embedded content]

And of course, he’s a Trump supporter. No surprise there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:55:06pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, that’s new

[Embedded content]

Oh that’s normal. I guess he’ll be speaking at next year’s Value Voters Summit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:57:16pm

indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 5:59:18pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

indeed.

OFFS makes an event about drug abuse about him. And yeah he has no clue about how to deal with addiction probably because he’s addicted to watching FNC slobber over his orange dick.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:02:41pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, that’s new

[Embedded content]

You are what you eat. He didn’t get the message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:03:48pm

A UPS Store says they have received 667 packages of playing cards addressed to a Washington state senator who said nurses “probably play cards for a considerable amount of the day,” according to CNN affiliate KOMO News .

Republican state Sen. Maureen Walsh apologized on Monday after facing a backlash for comments she made debating a bill, HB 1155, that would provide uninterrupted meal and rest breaks and mandatory overtime for nurses and certain health care employees.

Walsh said last Tuesday on the senate floor , “By putting these types of mandates on a critical access hospital that literally serves a handful of individuals, I would submit to you those nurses probably do get breaks. They probably play cards for a considerable amount of the day.”

An open letter posted by Facebook user Shy Braaten called for people to send a deck of cards to the senator, and included her PO Box.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:04:43pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

and the shenanigans continue:

Neil W. Blackmon

@nwblackmon
This is a Jim Crow poll tax that defies the will of 65 percent of Florida voters

If this passes and is signed by Florida’s racist GOP governor , it seems like the ACLU or some voting rights organization must immediately file suit in federal court as a violation of the 24th Amendment on poll taxes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:08:08pm

re: #227 Hecuba’s daughter

If this passes and is signed by Florida’s racist GOP governor , it seems like the ACLU or some voting rights organization must immediately file suit in federal court as a violation of the 24th Amendment on poll taxes.

I’m certain that the ACLU already has the suit ready to file

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:09:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:11:15pm

Rebecca Shoenkopf of Wonkette just got a death threat against her family on Twitter from someone who looks like a Russian government troll (patriotic name + eight digits).

Folks from Wonkette are starting to flag the troll, but as of yet, Twitter has done nothing about it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:12:46pm

I can hear the responses.

WaPo Opinion - Hillary Clinton: Mueller documented a serious crime against all Americans. Here’s how to respond.

Here is the opening…

Our election was corrupted, our democracy assaulted, our sovereignty and security violated. This is the definitive conclusion of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s report. It documents a serious crime against the American people.

The debate about how to respond to Russia’s “sweeping and systematic” attack — and how to hold President Trump accountable for obstructing the investigation and possibly breaking the law — has been reduced to a false choice: immediate impeachment or nothing. History suggests there’s a better way to think about the choices ahead.

Obviously, this is personal for me, and some may say I’m not the right messenger. But my perspective is not just that of a former candidate and target of the Russian plot. I am also a former senator and secretary of state who served during much of Vladi­mir Putin’s ascent, sat across the table from him and knows firsthand that he seeks to weaken our country.

I am also someone who, by a strange twist of fate, was a young staff attorney on the House Judiciary Committee’s Watergate impeachment inquiry in 1974, as well as first lady during the impeachment process that began in 1998. And I was a senator for New York after 9/11, when Congress had to respond to an attack on our country. Each of these experiences offers important lessons for how we should proceed today.

First, like in any time our nation is threatened, we have to remember that this is bigger than politics. What our country needs now is clear-eyed patriotism, not reflexive partisanship. Whether they like it or not, Republicans in Congress share the constitutional responsibility to protect the country. Mueller’s report leaves many unanswered questions — in part because of Attorney General William P. Barr’s redactions and obfuscations. But it is a road map. It’s up to members of both parties to see where that road map leads — to the eventual filing of articles of impeachment, or not. Either way, the nation’s interests will be best served by putting party and political considerations aside and being deliberate, fair and fearless.

Second, Congress should hold substantive hearings that build on the Mueller report and fill in its gaps, not jump straight to an up-or-down vote on impeachment. In 1998, the Republican-led House rushed to judgment. That was a mistake then and would be a mistake now.

Watergate offers a better precedent. Then, as now, there was an investigation that found evidence of corruption and a coverup. It was complemented by public hearings conducted by a Senate select committee, which insisted that executive privilege could not be used to shield criminal conduct and compelled White House aides to testify. The televised hearings added to the factual record and, crucially, helped the public understand the facts in a way that no dense legal report could. Similar hearings with Mueller, former White House counsel Donald McGahn and other key witnesses could do the same today.

…rest at link…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:18:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:22:16pm

re: #231 ObserverArt

I can hear the responses.

WaPo Opinion - Hillary Clinton: Mueller documented a serious crime against all Americans. Here’s how to respond.

Here is the opening…

I miss her reading that alone because it’s well written, doesn’t contain obnoxious whining or bragging. Hillary would have been a President. That orange thing in the White House. That’s not a President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:25:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:28:20pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

OFFS.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:39:57pm

Brian Krassenstein just followed me. The odd thing is that I had him muted because I find him annoying. Should I follow back, as is my policy, keep muted, what?

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:41:12pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:42:05pm

re: #236 gocart mozart

Follow and see what the fallout is. You can always dump it later.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:47:10pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:49:25pm

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Yeah, that’s what I’ll do. I can always follow and mute him if he shows up to much. there was a point where about every 1/5th tweet in my timeline was from him and he bores the hell out of me.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:50:07pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:51:14pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:51:42pm

re: #240 gocart mozart

I was thinking is may juice your feed

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:53:20pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

What the fuck does this “cartoon” mean?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:54:42pm

re: #242 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Nice Photoshop of whatever it was that Garrison drew (I’m guessing he put Trump’s head on Karl Marx)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:55:38pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Yeah Warren has a plan. Bernie has telling points.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:56:56pm

I’m dumb

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:58:07pm

re: #236 gocart mozart

Brian Krassenstein just followed me. The odd thing is that I had him muted because I find him annoying. Should I follow back, as is my policy, keep muted, what?

[Embedded content]

I would base it on the quality of the retweets. If those are as annoying as his originals, don’t add it to your feed. If the retweets are good, and they aren’t already available from your other followees, go for it. But I don’t think you can get retweets alone.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 6:58:40pm

re: #241 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

[Embedded content]

Oh.

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:00:34pm

re: #244 I Would Prefer Not To

What the fuck does this “cartoon” mean?

That an idiot cartoonist trying too hard did it.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:00:47pm

re: #244 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s a parody of a Ben Garrison cartoon. What if Ben Garrison was a leftist.

This is not a parody

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:01:03pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:03:00pm

A New Jersey mayor apologized on Wednesday for his response to an anti-Semitic tweet that some constituents viewed as inadequate.

John Ducey, the mayor of Brick Township in New Jersey, first sparked controversy on Tuesday after Twitter user @simms10471 wrote to the mayor in a since-deleted tweet to “do something about our parks and beaches,” saying they were being “invaded” and “ruined” by “Hasidic and Orthodox Jews,” the Asbury Park Press reported.

Ducey responded to the user, writing, “Our parks security has started already. Just call police with any problems and they will send them out.”

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:05:25pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:09:36pm

re: #254 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Can twits detect whether they’ve been muted?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:12:46pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

No. They just wonder why you never respond.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:18:44pm

I was hungry tonight.

It was time to visit Gus’s Fried Chicken!

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:20:07pm

re: #256 Dave In Austin

No. They just wonder why you never respond.

Should I wonder why there’s never anything to respond to?

One person I follow sends a group thank you tweet to each retweeter. Freaked me out, so I never do it any more.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:20:47pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

Should I wonder why there’s never anything to respond to?

One person I follow sends a group thank you tweet to each retweeter. Freaked me out, so I never do it any more.

I’m good at anti-social media.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:21:05pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

Supposedly not. I think Michael Tracey has me muted because I’ve baited him with insults many times and he has never responded or blocked me.

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retired cynic  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:21:10pm

Congress Needs To Lock Up Non-Complying Witnesses

Martin Longman looks at what can be done to address the issue of the administration’s Obstruction of Congressional hearings and fact finding. I am sure a lot of good minds are at work on that subject, but I just want to smash things. Just as well I’m not on staff there.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:21:26pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:24:42pm

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

Rebecca Shoenkopf of Wonkette just got a death threat against her family on Twitter from someone who looks like a Russian government troll (patriotic name + eight digits).

Folks from Wonkette are starting to flag the troll, but as of yet, Twitter has done nothing about it.

[Embedded content]

Jack won’t lift a finger. He proved it when he had his asskissing orgy with Orange Foolius yesterday.

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ObserverArt  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:27:22pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

I’m good at anti-social media.

Get off my device!

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teleskiguy  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:34:20pm

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

So @TeamCornyn is getting epically dunked on for posting Patton Oswalt and Rosie O’Donnell tweets with cuss words that are comically censored. I wanted to be part of one of these epic “ratios” so I replied to their latest inane tweet with just a string of random obscenities as a way of making fun of their shitty photoshopped censorship of tweets by comedians.

I’m in Twitter jail until tomorrow for violating their abuse and hateful conduct policy, which is thus:

Abuse and hateful conduct

Abuse: You may not engage in the targeted harassment of someone, or incite other people to do so. We consider abusive behavior an attempt to harass, intimidate, or silence someone else’s voice.

Unwanted sexual advances: You may not direct abuse at someone by sending unwanted sexual content, objectifying them in a sexually explicit manner, or otherwise engaging in sexual misconduct.

Hateful conduct: You may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. Read more about our hateful conduct policy.

Hateful imagery and display names: You may not use hateful images or symbols in your profile image or profile header. You also may not use your username, display name, or profile bio to engage in abusive behavior, such as targeted harassment or expressing hate towards a person, group, or protected category.

I seriously fail to see how a string of random obscenities meets that criteria. There’s some bullshit double standard chicanery going on at Twitter.

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:37:21pm

re: #264 ObserverArt

Get off my device!

They each have an off button. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:37:41pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

So @TeamCornyn is getting epically dunked on for posting Patton Oswalt and Rosie O’Donnell tweets with cuss words that are comically censored. I wanted to be part of one of these epic “ratios” so I replied to their latest inane tweet with just a string of random obscenities as a way of making fun of their shitty photoshopped censorship of tweets by comedians.

I’m in Twitter jail until tommorrow for violating their abuse and hateful conduct policy, which is thus:

I seriously fail to see how a string of random obscenities meets that criteria. There’s some bullshit double standard chicanery going on at Twitter.

Jack made it clear that you can’t butt-bongo Republicans, you got to kiss their ass!

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:42:21pm
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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:44:56pm

Today’s bass lesson was from Feel Good, Inc. Fun to play. My son hears it, and asks if it’s that song (he doesn’t listen to them a lot, but they’re a favorite band of his older brother). Then he goes “Somethings not right. You’re playing E minor, but the song is lower, probably E flat minor.” Which the lesson teacher confirms at the end. He moved the song up a half step so we would’t have to tune the bass.

It’s been months since my son heard that song. He’s 14.

He’s also learned how to do the Casey Kasem Shaggy voice.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:46:58pm

This looks good

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retired cynic  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:46:58pm

re: #269 Belafon

Oh, how precious that is! I worked and worked and just didn’t have that kind of an ear…

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wrenchwench  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:51:16pm

re: #271 retired cynic

Oh, how precious that is! I worked and worked and just didn’t have that kind of an ear…

I gave up repeatedly, until it stuck.

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gocart mozart  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:51:31pm

Some good news

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:51:41pm

re: #270 gocart mozart

In the replies:
Agent J Will Smith vs. I Am Legend Will Smith
Will Smith vs Fresh Prince.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:55:15pm

re: #273 gocart mozart

Some good news

[Embedded content]

Very.

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Belafon  Apr 24, 2019 • 7:57:46pm

re: #271 retired cynic

Oh, how precious that is! I worked and worked and just didn’t have that kind of an ear…

I occasionally tell my kids that I’m glad I can ask them for information.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:11:06pm

re: #273 gocart mozart

Some good news

[Embedded content]

Let’s hope higher courts will support that ruling. I am waiting to see if the 5 GOP members of SCOTUS will do what’s right. IANAL but I remain skeptical that ultimately they will do what is right.

OT — Grrrr A Bernie Bro on FB posts a picture that states: Cheat Bernie 2020, Elect Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:15:18pm

Epic Christian Fails

Christian Life International in Salem, Vagina er Virginia.

Even better than the famous Tunashamed.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:16:42pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:19:49pm

re: #279 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

The evil, fucked up version of “making it up as you go along”

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teleskiguy  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:19:54pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Clit Commander

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A Three Hour Tour  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:27:32pm

re: #274 Belafon

In the replies:
Agent J Will Smith vs. I Am Legend Will Smith
Will Smith vs Fresh Prince.

Well, I personally will miss the digital watch that turns Ben Murphy invisible.

(Gemini Man, NBC Television- Universal Studios, ca 1976)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:28:28pm

Utah Outcasts fins a clip where racist Rick Wiles says Ben Shapiro is the Antichrist…

Rick Wiles Calls Ben Shapiro “Anti-Christ”

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teleskiguy  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:30:11pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:37:25pm

This is a really cool story. Dude’s been operating for over 50 years the next town over. He repaired Hunter S. Thompson’s typewriters. Might have to pay a visit, if only to see the 51-year-old cockatoo named JJ.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:39:32pm

re: #283 Joe Bacon 🌹

Utah Outcasts fins a clip where racist Rick Wiles says Ben Shapiro is the Antichrist…

[Embedded content]

Video

Rick Wiles is also the most sycophantic Putin fan-boy among the big time pulpit pimps.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 24, 2019 • 8:55:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 24, 2019 • 10:22:17pm

re: #283 Joe Bacon 🌹

Utah Outcasts fins a clip where racist Rick Wiles says Ben Shapiro is the Antichrist…

I would donate to UO, but I only have so much money. (I’d get a kick being on the show like you were. X and I correspond with each other in E-mail but that’s it. They did do an article about me a few years ago though.)

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John Hughes  Apr 25, 2019 • 8:28:10am

re: #178 wrenchwench

Responsible gun ownership.

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Old Liberal  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:36:05pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

Fake Christian…that is the real news.

“No true Scotsman “


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