In Which Donald Trump Praises the US Military for “Taking Over the Airports” … In the War of 1812

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I thought I heard him say this, but I was trying to do something much more important, and was only half-listening at the time.

So I asked around on Twitter and yeah, he really said it. Who knows if he misread a word, or if that was actually on the teleprompter, or if he was going off script into lala land as he is wont to do, but he said it.

It’s another of those moments that reveals how deeply ignorant and unprepared Trump is for the office he’s squatting in.

UPDATE at 7/5/19 12:06:12 pm by Charles Johnson

Apparently Donald Trump needs a teleprompter to let him know there were no airports in the 19th century.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:09:05pm

“All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.”

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:11:59pm

Official White House Photoshop.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:12:06pm

Why must we use every single holiday to fellate the Military?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:12:37pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Official White House Photoshop.

The “Million” Moron March.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:13:40pm

We’re so used to Trump lying every day no one blinks when the White House officially issues a doctored image.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:18:00pm

I’m going to guess that he came across the word “ramparts” on the teleprompter, didn’t know what it meant, and tried to self-correct as “airports”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:18:13pm

re: #5 jaunte

We’re so used to Trump lying every day no one blinks when the White House officially issues a doctored image.

Or a doctored image or a forged document or a…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:18:53pm

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

I’m going to guess that he came across the word “ramparts” on the teleprompter, didn’t know what it meant, and tried to self-correct as “airports”

Which is fucking sad because that word is IN THE DAMN NATIONAL ANTHEM!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:20:58pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is fucking sad because that word is IN THE DAMN NATIONAL ANTHEM!

we already know that he doesn’t know the words to the National Anthem.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:21:00pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:21:52pm
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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:22:30pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

we already know that he doesn’t know the words to the National Anthem.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:22:34pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:22:47pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is fucking sad because that word is IN THE DAMN NATIONAL ANTHEM!

O’er the airports we watched

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:24:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:27:53pm

They took over the airports, with Sherman tanks. ….

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:28:57pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:29:33pm

He also said “Fort McKendry” instead of “Fort McHenry”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:31:09pm

Now I see MAGATS actually repeating Trump’s speech as inerrant gospel truth…

Seeing mass ignorance like this is really tempting me to sign the California Secession Initiative petition they were passing around at Venice Beach…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:31:56pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’ll have claimed to have found airplane schematics from 1805 any moment now…

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:33:00pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:33:16pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:33:33pm
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jaunte  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:34:45pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:40:06pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:41:41pm

Flying Spaghetti Monster save me!

Qbot Relative posts that the Deep State got to JFK Jr. and that’s why he didn’t appear tonight…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:50:46pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Official White House Photoshop.

Is there a legitimate image anywhere of this event? I am uncomfortable with the term photoshop unless we have some clear evidence that the picture has been doctored.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:52:50pm

Saw this band playin to 50 people in bar last night. Awesome

Live from Newport Folk Festival 2018: The War and Treaty, “Down to the River”

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sizzzzlerz  Jul 4, 2019 • 6:55:19pm

I’m surprised he didn’t praise the military for not giving up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:00:07pm

re: #24 jaunte

The mothership is landing.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:00:41pm

This sounds a little like the Foo Fighters, IMHO

The War and Treaty - Healing Tide (Official Music Video)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:11:24pm

The barrage is starting here in Koreatown. Windows are closed. Molekule and Dyson air purifiers are on high to counter the smoke.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:12:15pm

Had big barbeques yesterday and today at the homestead. 7 layer salad, creamed cucumbers, cherry pie, burgers, kosher dogs, brats etc. Everyone has cut out early and for some reason I’m now watching Zardoz. Happy holidays to all!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:14:32pm

re: #29 sizzzzlerz

I’m surprised he didn’t praise the military for not giving up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

The Russians bombed Pearl Harbor. Get it right.

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danarchy  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:16:03pm

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

Is there a legitimate image anywhere of this event? I am uncomfortable with the term photoshop unless we have some clear evidence that the picture has been doctored.

Unfortunately I saw some of it live at my parents house, it’s not photoshopped, It was actually packed. My mom was commenting that she couldn’t believe that many people would actually want to listen to Trump

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:18:58pm

re: #35 danarchy

Unfortunately I saw some of it live at my parents house, it’s not photoshopped, It was actually packed. My mom was commenting that she couldn’t believe tyhat many people would actually want to listen to Trump

Donald Trump got more popular votes than any other Republican in history.

This is something that is sort of missed in claiming that Hillary won the popular vote.

Of course she did, but that overlooks how popular Trump was too.

Yes, this ought to bother you: tens of millions of your fellow Americans are quite fine with Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:20:52pm

Yes, there are never-Trumpers.

Yes, there are some people who voted for Trump and now have buyer’s remorse.

But that does not mean there are not millions of your fellow Americans who are quite willing and even hoping that Trump will implement his vile vision for this nation.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:23:03pm

re: #33 Amory Blaine

Had big barbeques yesterday and today at the homestead. 7 layer salad, creamed cucumbers, cherry pie, burgers, kosher dogs, brats etc. Everyone has cut out early and for some reason I’m now watching Zardoz. Happy holidays to all!

Zardoz opening

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danarchy  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:23:48pm

Also, for all the talk that the flyovers would be grounded by weather, they did happen, including a blue angels flyby.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:34:51pm

re: #37 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Yes, there are never-Trumpers.

Yes, there are some people who voted for Trump and now have buyer’s remorse.

But that does not mean there are not millions of your fellow Americans who are quite willing and even hoping that Trump will implement his vile vision for this nation.

Tens of millions of Americans support him. They routinely mock us: on FB, one commented to me “And if most Democrats are as clueless as you, the re-election will be a landslide”. He may have been especially irritated at my assertion that Trump supporters wanted to return to the halcyon days of the 1950s when women and minorities knew their place.

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wrenchwench  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:35:06pm
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MsJ  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:39:54pm

From downstairs (talk about being late to the game).

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 7:51:51pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:15:45pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:18:12pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:22:40pm

re: #36 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Donald Trump got more popular votes than any other Republican in history.

This is something that is sort of missed in claiming that Hillary won the popular vote.

Of course she did, but that overlooks how popular Trump was too.

Yes, this ought to bother you: tens of millions of your fellow Americans are quite fine with Trump.

There were also more Americans than any previous election in history.

There has always, all the way back to the Revolution, been a large contingent of conservatives who want to take everyone else’s rights. That is nothing new.

I’m more concerned about all those who sat out the election (which was also the biggest sit-out of voters in American history).

There are fireworks tonight here in my village. Not many, because of the shortage and cost.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:23:12pm

I showed up to Arapahoe Basin at 5:45 this morning, there were already hundreds of people there. Still got a killer parking spot. Took a nap in my car until 7:30, when I got some breakfast. Holy moly, $9 gets you a huge breakfast on the 4th of July at Arapahoe Basin. Bunch of scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, biscuits and gravy, home fries, all smothered in green chili. Washed that down with a Coors. Hey, YOLO.

It got *really* crowded. All the parking lots were full before the lifts opened, a lot of people parked on Highway 6 and hoofed it to the base area, sometimes up to over a mile. Eek!

Well, being the experienced ski bloke that I am (early bird catches the worm!) I was able to ski two runs up top and then one more run top to bottom before retiring to the party in the parking lot at about noon. And, it was a party. Fire dancers and hula hoops and costumes and barbecues and live music and lots of red white and blue. Delightful!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:25:39pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

I showed up to Arapahoe Basin at 5:45 this morning, there were already hundreds of people there. Still got a killer parking spot. Took a nap in my car until 7:30, when I got some breakfast. Holy moly, $9 gets you a huge breakfast on the 4th of July at Arapahoe Basin Bunch of scrambled eggs, bacon, sausage, biscuits and gravy, home fries, all smothered in green chili. Washed that down with a Coors. Hey, YOLO.

It got *really* crowded. All the parking lots were full before the lifts opened, a lot of people parked on Highway 6 and hoofed it to the base area, sometimes up to over a mile. Eek!

(rest cut)

Did you get to ski today? Was the snow good for skiing if you did?

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:27:28pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. Three runs. Snow was super sloppy, and it was crowded. I still put on a show up top by executing a couple of switch freeheel turns under the chairlift.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:28:58pm

Best part about skiing frontside of Arapahoe Basin? No cell service! I was cut off the internet all fucking day!

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:30:15pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Why must we use every single holiday to fellate the Military?

Because the country is in decline.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:31:05pm
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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:31:20pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

Pity they didn’t have any beer there for your breakfast…

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:)

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:33:49pm

re: #53 William Lewis

Some friends of mine from Denver were mixing mimosas in the lift line at 9:00 this morning. 🙂

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:34:56pm

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹

There were also more Americans than any previous election in history.

There has always, all the way back to the Revolution, been a large contingent of conservatives who want to take everyone else’s rights. That is nothing new.

I’m more concerned about all those who sat out the election (which was also the biggest sit-out of voters in American history).

There are fireworks tonight here in my village. Not many, because of the shortage and cost.

1. Deliberate voter suppression in certain states. People who were registered couldn’t vote because they didn’t have the right id or because their names were purged from voter lists.
2. People who bought into the lies about Hillary; lies that were fostered by the MSM that focused on “her emails”. One acquaintance voted for Trump because of Comey — she said that Comey reminded her of the Bill Clinton-Monica scandal — and she wasn’t interested in his return to the WH. Since we are in Illinois, her vote didn’t matter but it certainly affected voters in other states.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:35:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:36:14pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Why must we use every single holiday to fellate the Military?

I despise it.

There are three explicit days set aside for the military.

Memorial Day, to honour those who died in the service of their country.
Veterans Day, to honour those who served the country (not a holiday except for the VA)
Armed Forces Day, to honor those currently serving (not a holiday)

Every other patriotic holiday is to remember Americans or America, not the military or veterans. Co-opting those holidays by conservatives to claim they care about military personnel or veterans or militarise the holidays burns my butt.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:37:20pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:37:35pm

Their brains are rancid guacamole.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:41:20pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:41:26pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

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Their brains are rancid guacamole.

Well, the guacamole was probably at one time not rancid. I cannot guarantee as much about their brains.

I hope everyone had a good and safe 4th. Stay scaly.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:44:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:48:47pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

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History retconned.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:55:36pm

Municipal fireworks going on. Leo is freaking the fuck out. I loathe fireworks. Poor critters.

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:57:00pm

I went to the grocery store earlier and my next door neighbors were shooting off caps for the benefit of their 2-3 year old child. Now the rockets and other splodey things have come out. Tonight will be an earplugs night.

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 8:58:27pm

Fuckface Von Clownstick currently on a retweet binge of his most loyal boot lickers.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:01:53pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

I feel sorry for the interns at Fox News that have to try and make early 19th century airports a real thing.

Either they will excuse his words as a mistake or they will pretend that he make the correct statements that were on the teleprompter. They are masters at ignoring his routine misstatements.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:02:12pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:02:37pm

“Did the Continental Congress classify Benjamin Franklin’s invention of the airplane in the eighteenth century? Did his secret airplane help us win the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812? How did our government manage to keep this secret for more than two hundred years? I’m Geraldo Rivera and Now It Can Be Told.”

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teleskiguy  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:03:28pm

OK, there goes the finale. Now the yokels with their personal fireworks and guns. I’ll be here all night.

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:18:27pm
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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:18:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:19:25pm

re: #68 gocart mozart

Mike Gravel has a sense of humor??

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:19:46pm
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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:21:39pm

Stars & Stripes FOREVER!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:30:51pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

Either they will excuse his words as a mistake or they will pretend that he make the correct statements that were on the teleprompter. They are masters at ignoring his routine misstatements.

It actually appears no one is paying attention to his verbal flubs — only commenting on how he adhered to the script. Phil Mudd of CNN was highly critical of the emphasis on the military instead of talking about the ideals from the Founding Fathers.

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:33:15pm
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TedStriker  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:44:16pm

re: #74 Belafon

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HEY-O!!!

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:48:11pm
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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:49:31pm
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Belafon  Jul 4, 2019 • 9:58:24pm

We will have to see if all of this (the photo manipulation) is real or not:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:06:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:09:39pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

They’ll have claimed to have found airplane schematics from 1805 any moment now…

That’s not all that the MAGATS found!

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danarchy  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:12:13pm

re: #81 Belafon

We will have to see if all of this (the photo manipulation) is real or not:

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Sorry it was on freaking TV live, unless, cspan, fox and nbc were manipulating the live feed the crowd was actually there. Fox maybe, nbc I doubt it, cspan doubt they have the budget to do live video manipulation like that.

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danarchy  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:24:50pm

Here is a screenshot from Bloombergs feed:

Here is the video it came from if you want to check yourself:

Trump Takes Center Stage at July 4th ‘Salute to America’ Event With Jets, Tanks

Trump and his followers may deny reality when it suits them, but let’s not be them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:30:45pm

re: #84 danarchy

Sorry it was on freaking TV live, unless, cspan, fox and nbc were manipulating the live feed the crowd was actually there. Fox maybe, nbc I doubt it, cspan doubt they have the budget to do live video manipulation like that.

There is reason to despair for our country’s future when so many have fallen for this con man.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:35:21pm

re: #86 Hecuba’s daughter

There is reason to despair for our country’s future when so many have fallen for this con man.

This is the precisely what Lewis Powell wanted to happen when he drew up the master plan for Conservatives to totally control all facets of American society. We now must face the truth that America has become Idiotcracy.

I fear that people will be stupid enough to put Ivanka in the White House to succeed her father.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:48:10pm

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is the precisely what Lewis Powell wanted to happen when he drew up the master plan for Conservatives to totally control all facets of American society. We now must face the truth that America has become Idiotcracy.

I fear that people will be stupid enough to put Ivanka in the White House to succeed her father.

An acquaintance who is not a Trump fan — but also hostile to progressives — posted a FB meme mocking Ivanka —and one of his Trumpster friends commented: “She is a very successful individual, like all of his kids.” Every time I start feeling a little hope, it is immediately dashed by the reality of this most pernicious family and political party and the blind allegiance from their followers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 10:55:27pm

re: #63 Blind Frog Belly White

History retconned.

Watch for Wikipedia edits on the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:02:31pm

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

Watch for Wikipedia edits on the Revolutionary War or the War of 1812.

Except for those mocking him — the media is accepting the original teleprompter speech and ignoring his verbal missteps. And that’s all that most will hear or care about. Meanwhile, he and the GOP are destroying everything that made America “great”, though if you look at our history of genocide, slavery, environmental degradation, lack of compassion, maybe we deserve this.

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TedStriker  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:05:29pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s not all that the MAGATS found!

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The original Iceman…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:05:39pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:12:46pm

re: #88 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance who is not a Trump fan — but also hostile to progressives — posted a FB meme mocking Ivanka —and one of his Trumpster friends commented: “She is a very successful individual, like all of his kids.” Every time I start feeling a little hope, it is immediately dashed by the reality of this most pernicious family and political party and the blind allegiance from their followers.

That’s why I call conservatism a religion. At least as long as I’ve been alive, it has been.

It has a statement of faith: Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed. (Compare to “we all fall short of the glory of God.”)
It has saints: Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, &c who are held up for their mythical greatness, not what they actually did.
It banishes apostates from its faith (RINOs)
It threatens to punish or kill heretics (liberals).
It believes in things which are patently false (liberals hate the military, liberals don’t own guns, &c)
It has a prelate (whoever is at the top of the GOP at the time—Compare to the Pope)

It pretty much hits Christopher Hitchens’s statement “religion poisons everything” (compare to Rick Wilson’s “Everything Trump touches, dies”).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:16:48pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:31:47pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:34:54pm

Mary McCaslin - Pinball Wizard (banjo) - Studio recording

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uriel  Jul 4, 2019 • 11:39:04pm

re: #81 Belafon

We will have to see if all of this (the photo manipulation) is real or not:

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I don’t know how dispositive that analysis is. ELA just measures the differences in jpeg compression between different parts of a photo. Just because one part shows up as having differing values does not, necessarily, mean they are from different sources- it can just mean that the compression algorithm was able to be applied more heavily to that part of the photo.

For instance, the pool, which has only minimal variations in color, light values and detail, would naturally be more aggressively compressed than areas where there is a variety of colors, light values and details, like the crowd. That’s just how jpeg compression works. The analysis only works if you compare *similar* areas of a photo and find suspicious results.

FotoForensics even notes in the tutorial: “Regions with uniform coloring, like a solid blue sky or a white wall, will likely have a lower ELA result (darker color) than high-contrast edges.”

For comparison, here’s a very real picture I grabbed at random that exhibits pretty similar results, (if the link works, :) :
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Don’t get me wrong- I’m totally willing to believe photoshopping a fake crowd is well within the realm of things the Trump camp would do with absolutely no shame. I’m just not sure this is evidence of that.

(Just to offer up my boneyfidies, since this is like the third or fourth post where I’ve sagely nodded on about digital photo topics, my original serious film-to-digital transition was when the canon EOS D30- with a glorious 3.1mp- was a deal at $800 open box, and I’ve used photoshop since ps3. And I have a background in print advertising, so, much to my shame, I know a thing or to about making things look better through fakery.)

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Dread Pirate  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:06:32am

‘Trump’s ‘Salute to America’ speech was one of the least polarizing speeches of his presidency’

That is newsworthy!

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teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:20:27am

About a half dozen strangers took selfies with me in the lift lines and on the chairlifts at Arapahoe Basin this 4th of July. “That hat,” was the refrain.

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teleskiguy  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:35:38am

I stood in a lot of long lines today. It’s purely anecdotal, to be sure, but everyone I talked to in line when it came to Fuckface Von Clownstick, the disdain is palpable among the folks that went skiing on the 4th of July at Arapahoe Basin. He’s a total fuckhead who shouldn’t be in the White House.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:01:54am

Oh, man, I can’t upload a .gif of a wiper blade going back and forth over Trump’s plastic cube, because it exceeds 500k. Crap.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:14:26am

Flash flood warnings just went up in the counties northeast and east of me. (The county to the east is only a few miles away.)

Several normally dry creeks in the Panhandle are under flood warnings.

We’re currently under a severe thunderstorm watch here.

The National Weather Service in North Platte has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for…
Southwestern Cherry County in north central Nebraska…
Central Sheridan County in the Panhandle of Nebraska…

…THE FLASH FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 430 AM MDT FOR
SOUTH CENTRAL GARDEN AND WESTERN DEUEL COUNTIES…

At 157 AM MDT, Doppler radar indicated thunderstorms producing heavy
rain across the warned area. One to two inches of rain have fallen.
Flash flooding is expected to begin shortly.

I-80 and NE-92 are flooded in that area.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:18:00am

North Platte NEXRAD radar.
wunderground.com

My county is on the left of the radar map, the next one north of Sidney. It’s about the only county around here not getting rain at the moment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:21:52am

From the Cheyenne NEXRAD radar:
wunderground.com

Sidney is about to get pounded by a whole train of thunderstorms which are drifting north toward us. Interestingly, Sidney’s county (Cheyenne County) does not have a severe thunderstorm watch but we do.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:23:17am

Oh, my.

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Dread Pirate  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:35:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:22:26am

The line of thunderstorms are training off from Sidney just to our east in Garden County. It looks like we won’t be getting much rain after all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:38:32am

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:46:15am

SecondCivilWarLetters hashtag is once again in the Twitter trending list, after it went on for a while last year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:21:03am

I Opted Out of Facial Recognition at the Airport—It Wasn’t Easy (goes to Wired)

I wonder how long until they put such devices on highways. Government keeps adding reasons why I won’t get on aeroplanes unless I have to.

The announcement came as we began to board. Last month, I was at Detroit’s Metro Airport for a connecting flight to Southeast Asia. I listened as a Delta Air Lines staff member informed passengers that the boarding process would use facial recognition instead of passport scanners.

Allie Funk is a research analyst for Freedom on the Net, Freedom House’s annual country-by-country assessment of internet freedom. She focuses on developments in the US and Asia.

As a privacy-conscious person, I was uncomfortable boarding this way. I also knew I could opt out. Presumably, most of my fellow fliers did not: I didn’t hear a single announcement alerting passengers how to avoid the face scanners.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:46:47am

twitter.com

RevolutionaryWarAirportStories

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:56:30am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

twitter.com

RevolutionaryWarAirportStories

The Battle of Cinnabon Hill.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:03:44am

I remember when Obama slipping up mid campaign saying 57 states was somehow proof Obama was this outsider who was ignorant about our country. Trump? Gets a prepared speech on 4th of July wrong about our nation’s founding. And yes I could go without the militarism too. I appreciate our vets. I’m even named for one but America is more than our military. It’s our people- music, film, literature, sports, scientific and technological advances, among other things too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:11:39am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I remember when Obama slipping up mid campaign saying 57 states was somehow proof Obama was this outsider who was ignorant about our country. Trump? Gets a prepared speech on 4th of July wrong about our nation’s founding. And yes I could go without the militarism too. I appreciate our vets. I’m even named for one but America is more than our military. It’s our people- music, film, literature, sports, scientific and technological advances, among other things too.

He got crap for using a teleprompter.

And yes, Independence Day should be about everything but the military. It’s about an idea set forth in the Declaration of Independence which we still fall short of achieving but continue to strive for, that all persons are created equal and government exists by the consent of the governed.

In no place in that document is a military mentioned at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:14:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:17:02am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:18:48am

Man it’s gotta suck to be you when you get trolled by the dictionary almost every day.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:24:57am

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

He got crap for using a teleprompter.

And yes, Independence Day should be about everything but the military. It’s about an idea set forth in the Declaration of Independence which we still fall short of achieving but continue to strive for, that all persons are created equal and government exists by the consent of the governed.

In no place in that document is a military mentioned at all.

And then we crap on the descendants of those who were left out of the vision set forth in the Declaration when they point that out i.e. Kaepernick, white especially red white America has no clue why an African American isn’t going to have romantic notions about our founding. Frankly the more I learn about Jefferson the more I really think he was a Rights for me but not thee type. And it’s a shame because he had some great ideas but the contradictions are our history too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:31:20am

Earthquake in Kansas near the Nebraska line south of Kearney and north of Hays, Kans. Magnitude 3.1, which is fooin’ big for anything around here.
earthquake.usgs.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:33:19am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

And then we crap on the descendants of those who were left out of the vision set forth in the Declaration when they point that out i.e. Kaepernick, white especially red white America has no clue why an African American isn’t going to have romantic notions about our founding. Frankly the more I learn about Jefferson the more I really think he was a Rights for me but not thee type. And it’s a shame because he had some great ideas but the contradictions are our history too.

That’s why we continue the work which the Founders started. The vision is a good one, but was not implemented equally.

We can put their good ideas to use and put their bad ones in the history books.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:38:15am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

That’s why we continue the work which the Founders started. The vision is a good one, but was not implemented equally.

We can put their good ideas to use and put their bad ones in the history books.

Exactly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:39:57am
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:42:04am

Few remember that one of the primary causes of the Revolutionary War was the British attempt to shut down Duty-Free shops at places like Logan.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:43:25am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

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Abu Ghraib 2.0.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:44:00am

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

Few remember that one of the primary causes of the Revolutionary War was the British attempt to shut down Duty-Free shops at places like Logan.

No taxation without massive whiskey bottles.

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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:50:56am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

I’m going to guess that he came across the word “ramparts” on the teleprompter, didn’t know what it meant, and tried to self-correct as “airports”

that actually makes an enormous amount of sense.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:52:09am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I remember when Obama slipping up mid campaign saying 57 states was somehow proof Obama was this outsider who was ignorant about our country. Trump? Gets a prepared speech on 4th of July wrong about our nation’s founding. And yes I could go without the militarism too. I appreciate our vets. I’m even named for one but America is more than our military. It’s our people- music, film, literature, sports, scientific and technological advances, among other things too.

An acquaintance made a mildly snarky remark on FB about Trump’s speech and one of his Trumpster friends responded with “Well, he didn’t visit all 57 states”. We are not going to win in 2020 by being critical of Trump’s inability to read; that is not an impeachable offense. When marching in the parade yesterday with my congressman, I asked him when they are going to impeach Trump — he is definitely one who does not seem enthusiastic about the prospect and responded that they are waiting for Mueller’s testimony.

July 4 is supposed to be about the ideas of our founding and not our military. But all tinpot dictators love them a military salute — and that’s who is ruling us now. We are heading toward banana republic status.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:54:02am

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

An acquaintance made a mildly snarky remark on FB about Trump’s speech and one of his Trumpster friends responded with “Well, he didn’t visit all 57 states”. We are not going to win in 2020 by being critical of Trump’s inability to read; that is not an impeachable offense. When marching in the parade yesterday with my congressman, I asked him when they are going to impeach Trump — he is definitely one who does not seem enthusiastic about the prospect and responded that they are waiting for Mueller’s testimony.

July 4 is supposed to be about the ideas of our founding and not our military. But all tinpot dictators love them a military salute — and that’s who is ruling us now. We are heading toward banana republic status.

Well of course not. But Trump’s ignorance about our history and civics I think is a legitimate issue to go after him on especially since he disparaged liberal democracy since he stupidly equates it with political liberalism only.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:55:28am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

I’m glad the CBP is being exposed. I hope that the agents are identified and removed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:59:10am
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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 4:59:42am

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

Tens of millions of Americans support him. They routinely mock us: on FB, one commented to me “And if most Democrats are as clueless as you, the re-election will be a landslide”. He may have been especially irritated at my assertion that Trump supporters wanted to return to the halcyon days of the 1950s when women and minorities knew their place.

i posted the meme where Lincoln’s statue flips off Melania and Donald, and had an ex-military guy post how he’d “read up” on Lincoln and thought Lincoln and Trump would “get along well together.” I pointed out that Lincoln would be appalled and disgusted by a routine philanderer and draft-dodger who spurns the constitution routinely, and how I was surprised an ex combat vet wouldn’t be concerned with the Stolen Valor involved in a draft-dodger saluting someone, especially the president, who does not receive salutes (at least isn’t supposed to) because he is not a military officer. Nor is he supposed to give them, though we’ve developed that sorry-assed habit of having him exchange salutes with the boys at the helicopter.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:05:08am

re: #43 gocart mozart

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retired cynic  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:06:53am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

Well. Wet tshirt contest? Proof of fakery there!

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jeffreyw  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:08:38am

Good morning!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:13:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:14:15am
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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:17:05am

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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I counter that with History Channel colorized footage of the Second Battle of Molasses, 1781, where Doris gets her Oats:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:25:02am

Noticed that foreigners notice Trump and his follies:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:27:39am

Liberal Redneck on this year’s 4th of July (3:08)

Liberal Redneck - Fourth of Julying to Himself

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:32:55am

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

Lots of swarms surrounding this 6.4 up near Ridgecrest in the Searles Valley:

earthquake.usgs.gov

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:34:14am

re: #71 Belafon

That’s nonsense.

The Washington Monument webcam has been out of service for more than a year, so there’s no conspiracy here.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:36:13am

re: #141 lawhawk

That’s nonsense.

The Washington Monument webcam has been out of service for more than a year, so there’s no conspiracy here.

Other than the conspiracy of infrastructure neglect. Fix the cams before the big public event.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:36:39am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

That’s why we continue the work which the Founders started. The vision is a good one, but was not implemented equally.

We can put their good ideas to use and put their bad ones in the history books.

It was an imperfect nation at the outset, and the goal has always been to improve on what prior generations accomplished.

For the GOP it’s a reactionary and regressive approach to roll back progress over the past 100 years. They are the ones who want to strip civil and voting rights from minorities and women. They’re the ones who want to deny women agency over their own bodies.

They’re the ones who want to stop nonwhites from entering the US harkening back to the same language used to deny Jews entry to the US during the 1930s to 1940s.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:40:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:42:32am
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Alephnaught  Jul 5, 2019 • 5:55:11am

Long thread (plus threads within threads) that might relate to the subject of this post.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:12:55am

re: #146 Alephnaught

Long thread (plus threads within threads) that might relate to the subject of this post.

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His acolytes don’t see this at all. They ignore any criticism of their dear leader and are contemptuous of us libs — They are the real Americans and the rest of us are coastal elites (even those living in blue Illinois) who don’t understand how his common language appeals to the common man. Erudition, intellect, and knowledge are for losers.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:20:01am
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:26:46am

re: #1 jaunte

“All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.”

If only Trump had the intelligence and self awareness of Roy Batty.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:28:42am
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DangerMan  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:30:47am

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:33:18am

80 degrees already and only 9:30 AM. Gonna be a hot one.

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Alephnaught  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:41:01am

re: #146 Alephnaught

Long thread (plus threads within threads) that might relate to the subject of this post.

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Actually, the Tom Joseph quoted in that thread has been talking about the issue in reference to yesterday’s antics. [Threads]

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:49:48am

The Continental Army didn’t get named after Washington. It was the Continental Army. Washington was the general and commander in chief, but it was not named after him. That’s just one more lie/misstatement/fact-check to add to the list.

And then there’s the airports and air force.

Trump’s brain is mush, his speechwriters suck, and his base doesn’t care one iota.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:55:25am

re: #85 danarchy

Here is a screenshot from Bloombergs feed:
…
Here is the video it came from if you want to check yourself:
…
Trump and his followers may deny reality when it suits them, but let’s not be them.

While there were a good number of people there yesterday, it was hardly a banner crowd, not for a POTUS speaking - or for a protest, for that matter.

What they showed was a narrow view of the reflecting pool itself, along with the space that is right around the pool. This is an expanded view from yesterday.

This is the landspace around the two monuments without any crowds.

And this is from MLK’s speech.

And this is from an anti-Obama speech that Palin gave.

I am not saying that a large number of people didn’t show up yesterday. But it was hardly anything for a president to brag about.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:57:12am

re: #86 Hecuba’s daughter

There is reason to despair for our country’s future when so many have fallen for this con man.

Especially the supposedly religious people who think god speaks through him and that is is some kind of Christian savior.

It’s not just time for despair, it’s appalling and shows that humans are on the decline. Throw Q into the mix and it appears, to me at least, that humans no longer have the capacity to actually think or reason.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:57:45am
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DangerMan  Jul 5, 2019 • 6:59:58am

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

80 degrees already and only 9:30 AM. Gonna be a hot one.

92 in so-fla 10am

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Belafon  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:01:20am

re: #156 MsJ

Especially the supposedly religious people who think god speaks through him and that is is some kind of Christian savior.

It’s not just time for despair, it’s appalling and shows that humans are on the decline. Throw Q into the mix and it appears, to me at least, that humans no longer have the capacity to actually think or reason.

At the same time, we’re building computers that have nearly the processing power of the human brain, seeing farther with telescopes, and building self landing rockets. It isnt the entire human race.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:02:34am

Of course Trumporrhoids and jumping to Dear Leader’s defense.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:02:37am

re: #156 MsJ

Especially the supposedly religious people who think god speaks through him and that is is some kind of Christian savior.

It’s not just time for despair, it’s appalling and shows that humans are on the decline. Throw Q into the mix and it appears, to me at least, that humans no longer have the capacity to actually think or reason.

If the Keanu Reeves version of “The Day the Earth Stood Still” were made today, Klaatu might have completed the destruction of the human race and repopulated the planet with the animal species he was preserving; at this point it’s not clear that we are worthy of saving.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:03:32am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:04:24am

re: #160 The Pie Overlord!

Of course Trumporrhoids and jumping to Dear Leader’s defense.

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I mean it’s not like he’s babbling incoherently ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

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Citizen K  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:09:17am

Quelle surprise.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:10:09am

re: #159 Belafon

At the same time, we’re building computers that have nearly the processing power of the human brain, seeing farther with telescopes, and building self landing rockets. It isnt the entire human race.

So…the Architect and the lady in the red dress coming to life? :-D

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:12:13am

re: #162 MsJ

LOLOLOLOL!!! Twitter apparently dislikes Melanie’s kidneys.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:14:15am
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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:14:58am

re: #160 The Pie Overlord!

Best of all possible presidents* who doesn’t know a word that appears prominently in the national anthem, so can’t read it off a teleprompter.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:27:35am

Honestly, I give up.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:28:48am

Out here in rural Texas, the fireworks noises were far away, and our blue-heeler/pointer mix Lucy managed to get through the night with only a few warning growls.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:32:39am

Ordered Deported, Then Sent a $497,777 Fine From ICE (Goes to the New York Times)

Trump’s ICE is now going after undocumented immigrants who are being sheltered by churches.

The headline refers to a woman talking about being sheltered inside a Mennonite Church. There are several other people’s stories receiving these letters in the article.

Apparently ICE is calculating a fine of nearly $800 a day and sending it to people in such sanctuary, trying to intimidate both them and the churches in question.

A group who tracks such people for legal defence thinks there are about twenty such cases, and are organising a class action suit claiming this amounts to an excessive fine under the VIII Amendment.

ICE is trying to intimidate churches which do this to stop offering sanctuary. As of yet, ICE has not raided a church.

So far it seems few people outside the churches in question are aware the Republican administration is trying to strongarm churches into throwing such people on the street so they can collect them, though NPR did an article on this

Fugitives from ICE: A Family Finds Sancutary in a Pennsylvania Church (a United Methodist Church in this case, the article from March 7)

as did Voice of America:

More Undocumented Immigrants Are Living in US Sanctuary Churches (a Unitaritan-Universalist Church, possibly the first known person to do this, from January 29)

There is a group which will help a church navigate the issues if its congregants or pastors wish to provide sanctuary for migrants from ICE.

Sanctuary Movement (goes to the Baptist Joint Committee). They note that a church can put itself in danger of government legal or enforcement action if the GOP goes full fascist.

“Sanctuary” is not a legal term and provides no legal protection for the institution. A “sanctuary church” intentionally ministers to the undocumented community, which may include providing physical shelter for those facing detention or deportation. If a congregation determines that providing sanctuary is consistent with its theology and ministry, there are numerous practical and legal issues to consider. Read this column from BJC Associate General Counsel Jennifer Hawks for additional background.

The BJC created a printable handout with answers to a few common questions that churches may have when considering whether to provide sanctuary. It is not legal advice and does not substitute for consultation with an attorney.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:38:35am

re: #169 MsJ

Honestly, I give up.

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Looking at Giggy’s timeline, it appears anti-Trump.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:38:44am

Video taken from last night’s Macy’s 4th fireworks show in NYC. Taken specifically from the subway while it was going over the Manhattan bridge, which roughly runs parallel to the Brooklyn Bridge (which itself was closed and used as a fireworks firing platform for the show).

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:40:57am

re: #173 lawhawk

NYC has a very nice display of fireworks.

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sagehen  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:41:30am

re: #169 MsJ

Honestly, I give up.

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THIS sort of thing, right-wing press deliberately stealing other events’ photos and pretending its from their event, is exactly why the women’s march had those pink hats.

A woman’s march photo cannot be relabeled as anything else.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:42:11am

re: #172 Hecuba’s daughter

Looking at Giggy’s timeline, it appears anti-Trump.

Ugh. That is not the way to do satire. It reinforces all the MAGAt’s ideas and will be believe as gospel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:42:41am

re: #169 MsJ

Honestly, I give up.

In the issue of whether the photo released by the Press Secretary was manipulated or not, one person above in the thread offered other pictures of gatherings along the Reflecting Pool.

One of the issues which has been noted on social media is there are no reflections of the people standing along the pool, nor the fences which were erected.

In the other photos, you can see such reflections (which is kind of why it’s named the Reflecting Pool).

Additionally, other people who were at the event took their own photos or video, though there is no way to ascertain if their photos or videos are actually from July 4.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:44:44am

re: #172 Hecuba’s daughter

Looking at Giggy’s timeline, it appears anti-Trump.

Part of the same thread:

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:45:01am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

In the issue of whether the photo released by the Press Secretary was manipulated or not, one person above in the thread offered other pictures of gatherings along the Reflecting Pool.

One of the issues which has been noted on social media is there are no reflections of the people standing along the pool, nor the fences which were erected.

In the other photos, you can see such reflections (which is kind of why it’s named the Reflecting Pool).

Additionally, other people who were at the event took their own photos or video, though there is no way to ascertain if their photos or videos are actually from July 4.

Don’t you need sun to have a reflection? Isn’t it the same as shadows?

Just asking as I am not sure.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:46:09am

re: #174 PhillyPretzel

First time they’ve fired off fireworks from the Brooklyn Bridge in years. I’m not 100% certain, but think the last time may have been 1983 when the bridge celebrated the 100th anniversary of its opening.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:46:22am

re: #144 Dave In Austin

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Remember how Washington crossed the Baggage Counter on Christmas Eve!

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:46:44am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:47:30am

Fireworks did not stop here until 4AM. Idiots continued to fire off M80s and trigger car alarms.

Police did not show up at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:48:50am

re: #179 MsJ

Don’t you need sun to have a reflection? Isn’t it the same as shadows?

Just asking as I am not sure.

No, though you do need enough light to see.

Consider going into your bathroom without the light on and looking in the mirror. You will still see your reflection if you have enough light to see at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:55:42am

re: #183 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fireworks did not stop here until 4AM. Idiots continued to fire off M80s and trigger car alarms.

Police did not show up at all.

The Battle of Broadwater was brief last night and ended very early, due to the cost and shortage of fireworks here.

That was the shortest time I’ve heard them fired since I moved here. Almost everyone who had fireworks saved them for last night early (no big week-long build up).

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sagehen  Jul 5, 2019 • 7:58:53am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:03:27am

re: #126 steve_davis

that actually makes an enormous amount of sense.

His speechwriters are idiots. They should know by now that he is going to fuck up on words like ramparts. Ir maybe they want to sabotage him. Or maybe they are the real Q.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:04:57am

re: #187 I Would Prefer Not To

His speechwriters are idiots. … Or maybe they are the real Q.

LOL!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:06:04am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

The correct New York Times link is here.
nytimes.com

My buffer was still holding the link to Liberal Redneck’s video.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:06:59am

(((deep sigh))) We are a global fucking embarrassment.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:16:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:19:42am

I turned my comment into a Shameless Page Promotion (though I’m not on Twitter or Facebook, so I don’t know how far outside of here it will go), and corrected the bad link to the New York Times article in it.

The Churches Which Offer Sanctuary from ICE—A Few Are Stepping Up (goes to the right-hand column)

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:22:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:24:40am

re: #191 MsJ

Privatisation of weather forecasting (a goal of the head of AccuWeather, who wants to be in charge of NOAA and wants to end government weather service) would be an absolute disaster to those of us out here in rural areas, who depend on the NWS and don’t have things like Internet service or access to social media and smartphones.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:24:45am

re: #193 MsJ

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:26:04am

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

And it would mean that actual scientific effort would be at mercy of the corporate whims, instead of the greater good.

NOAA does all kinds of climate research, and ending that would be a goal of the know nothing right wing too - to everyone’s detriment.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:27:21am

re: #190 MsJ

(((deep sigh))) We are a global fucking embarrassment.

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Every Trumpster out there has a catalog of Obama misstatements that they are gleefully regurgitating as a refutation of the Trump verbal miscues. It just solidifies their blind support of him.

They have a terminal case of cognitive dissonance — on the one hand, they claim they don’t care about the rest of the world; on the other hand, they love his bully persona and really believe that we are now truly respected throughout the world because we have replaced an eloquent intellectual with this big “brave” “leader” who stands up to the rest of the world.

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:27:31am

re: #166 MsJ

LOLOLOLOL!!! Twitter apparently dislikes Melanie’s kidneys.

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Her kidneys are crooked, just like her family.

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wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:38:40am
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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:39:57am
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Teukka  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:40:00am

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:46:55am

re: #201 Teukka

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re: #201 Teukka

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 8:53:46am

Great shaped position, we are in it.

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Teukka  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:03:00am

re: #202 I Would Prefer Not To

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:03:26am

re: #203 jaunte

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Great shaped position, we are in it.

People ask if he’s functionally illiterate, but he also seems partially aphasic, not to mention innumerate.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:03:41am

re: #153 Alephnaught

I wonder if he’s upping his Adderall intake in an attempt to offset worsening dementia symptoms….self-medicating, as it were.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:10:21am

He’s claiming the teleprompter broke. Ri-i-ight.

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Belafon  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:11:26am

re: #191 MsJ

I didn’t see anything about the real danger, which is the guy Trump has put in place to kneecap the NOAA.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:12:55am

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s claiming the teleprompter broke. Ri-i-ight.

1) It was a big important speech and he didn’t have most of it memorized?
2) Please apologize for all the times you hated on Obama for using a teleprompter.
3) Fuck trump.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:21:15am

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s claiming the teleprompter broke. Ri-i-ight.

Okay, let’s give him this one. But, it’s not unreasonable (outside the cult of MAGA) to expect the president of the United States to know that airports weren’t around in 1776. Teleprompter or not, nothing sums up the laziness and incompetence of the Trump administration like using the wikipedia page for the US military as a 4th of July speech.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:22:00am

re: #209 I Would Prefer Not To

He’s at a podium and doesn’t have a paper copy? He’s going to blame the teleprompter. That’s rich.

No, it’s all excuses all the time for his sheer incompetence and that of his entire admin (when they’re not actively sabotaging functioning govt, or undermining civil rights, voting rights, the economy, and minorities and women, that is).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:24:30am

wait…WTF?

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:27:56am

re: #211 lawhawk

He’s at a podium and doesn’t have a paper copy? He’s going to blame the teleprompter. That’s rich.

No, it’s all excuses all the time for his sheer incompetence and that of his entire admin (when they’re not actively sabotaging functioning govt, or undermining civil rights, voting rights, the economy, and minorities and women, that is).

A paper copy would require he use glasses which he won’t do in public.

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rhuarc  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:29:13am

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait…WTF?

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Ugh. The fact that the prison bureau was using untrained prisoners for decoy work is an abomination. Decoys make or break dogs during training. If you have an untrained or poorly trained decoy you’re more likely to break the dog’s training and/or hurt the dog. That they won’t spend the money to use good decoys is mind boggling. And now their lack of foresight has resulted in the death of a prisoner just trying to make himself better. Shameful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:30:24am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:31:52am

re: #213 MsJ

A paper copy would require he use glasses which he won’t do in public.

Or flip pages every 3 words.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:32:00am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

So he’s openly saying that he’s going to ignore his Oath of Office and the Constitution.

Hello, Speaker Pelosi……this matter needs to be addressed ASAP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:32:01am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:32:29am

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s claiming the teleprompter broke. Ri-i-ight.

And I remember when Republicans endlessly attacked Obama for using a teleprompter!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:33:39am

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

And I remember when Republicans endlessly attacked Obama for using a teleprompter!

tHat’S dIffErent!!1!

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:33:56am

re: #213 MsJ

A paper copy would require he use glasses which he won’t do in public.

A paper copy won’t help someone who is dyslexic.

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makeitstop  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:34:37am

re: #211 lawhawk

He’s at a podium and doesn’t have a paper copy? He’s going to blame the teleprompter. That’s rich.

No, it’s all excuses all the time for his sheer incompetence and that of his entire admin (when they’re not actively sabotaging functioning govt, or undermining civil rights, voting rights, the economy, and minorities and women, that is).

And let’s not forget that he was the Big Bad Dood who never used a TelePrompter, and ragged everyone from Obama on down for using them.

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mmmirele  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:38:06am

The fallout from Ravelry’s decision to ban Trump discussions continues. Here’s a crochet designer bowing out. I want to rip her a new one but so far not saying a thing.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:43:05am

In one of his dashing to the helicopter press conferences, draft-dodger Trump describes his ego-stroking 4th of July as a military recruitment event.

After adding, “I do the speech very well,” Trump stated, “Despite the rain, it was just a fantastic evening. I think a lot of people — you know, it was really a recruitment situation. A lot of people are going to be joining our Army, Navy, and Air Force.” source

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:43:52am

re: #224 Teddy’s Person

But not a one from his family. Let others sacrifice, while he and his family profits from the WH and taxpayer expenditures.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:50:45am

SPOTTED: Arizona Gov. Wears Nikes Just 48 Hours After Destroying Company Over Betsy Ross Controversy.

And he didn’t destroy the company. He threatened to stop a tax credit that Nike didn’t even want.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:52:22am

re: #226 lawhawk

SPOTTED: Arizona Gov. Wears Nikes Just 48 Hours After Destroying Company Over Betsy Ross Controversy.

And he didn’t destroy the company. He threatened to stop a tax credit that Nike didn’t even want.

Perhaps he so destroyed Nike that he was wearing them as a trophy of his victory?
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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:52:35am
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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:54:25am
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Teddy's Person  Jul 5, 2019 • 9:59:11am

re: #228 lawhawk

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Making excuses comes a naturally to Trump as lying and breathing.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:04:13am
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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:06:39am
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Belafon  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:08:05am

re: #229 jaunte

re: #231 jaunte

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:12:42am
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:17:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:18:29am

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:58:21am

Welp, Barrett Brown managed to get himself suspended from Twitter again.

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makeitstop  Jul 5, 2019 • 10:58:30am

And that meme apparently murdered the thread.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:00:27am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Welp, Barrett Brown managed to get himself suspended from Twitter again.

And who didn’t see that coming?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:02:39am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Welp, Barrett Brown managed to get himself suspended from Twitter again.

Why are these idiots so obsessed with getting on Twitter, kicked off and trying to get back on?

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:05:00am

re: #240 Joe Bacon 🌹

They are convinced that this is the only way to communicate over the internet. They are following the crowd.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:11:43am

There is ALWAYS a Tweet.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:12:30am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Welp, Barrett Brown managed to get himself suspended from Twitter again.

VB is still suspended. I has a sad. :(

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wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:13:28am

re: #242 The Pie Overlord!

There is ALWAYS a Tweet.

[Why does @BarackObama always have to rely on teleprompters?]

Nobody wants to make a trump of themselves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:13:52am

The army took control of the ears and rammed the man parts!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:16:43am

re: #243 The Pie Overlord!

VB is still suspended. I has a sad. :(

I cannot understand why they will not let you see their rationale for suspending you.

But then they put me in Twitter jail for 7 days and took away my ability to report people.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:25:35am
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:25:44am

re: #137 steve_davis

I counter that with History Channel colorized footage of the Second Battle of Molasses, 1781, where Doris gets her Oats:

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I like that the steam punk French pre dreadnought has tumblehome just like the actual French ships did, lol…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:27:25am

re: #243 The Pie Overlord!

VB is still suspended. I has a sad. :(

You should probably file another support request, if you haven’t already, and be sure to tell them you’re not receiving email from them.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:35:56am

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Maybe if VB claims she’s a Nazi she’ll get better support from Twitter?

/// or am I?

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:36:44am

I really liked Biden but he’s a dinosaur. I’m sorry, Joe, you need to go.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:38:20am

Trump just said fuck the courts, put that citizenship question on the census.

And what will Nancy do?

Nothing…

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:38:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:39:23am

re: #247 MsJ

Evan’s Botched Broadcast - Bruce Almighty (6/9) Movie CLIP (2003) HD

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:42:07am

re: #251 MsJ

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:43:00am

re: #251 MsJ

Poor Joe just doesn’t have a clue.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:47:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:51:53am

I’m only 37, I’d like to think I still have a good 50 or so years ahead of me.

I’d also like to think I have a good shot at living long enough to see a decent healthcare system in this country.

But I’m starting to have my doubts about that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:55:48am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m only 37, I’d like to think I still have a good 50 or so years ahead of me.

I’d also like to think I have a good shot at living long enough to see a decent healthcare system in this country.

But I’m starting to have my doubts about that.

It’s not just decent healthcare that you will be missing — it’s a free press, free elections, equal rights for all Americans.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 11:58:10am

re: #259 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not just decent healthcare that you will be missing — it’s a free press, free elections, equal rights for all Americans.

I’m hoping me and enough others will be willing to fight for these things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:01:58pm

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m only 37, I’d like to think I still have a good 50 or so years ahead of me.

I’d also like to think I have a good shot at living long enough to see a decent healthcare system in this country.

But I’m starting to have my doubts about that.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:03:42pm

re: #257 MsJ

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If conservatives have their way and get a court to strike down the ACA, it will guarantee that the next dem administration and Congress will pass a single payer bill with reconciliation rules.

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:05:00pm

re: #262 Scottish Dragon

If conservatives have their way and get a court to strike down the ACA, it will guarantee that the next dem administration and Congress will pass a single payer bill with reconciliation rules.

Assuming there is a Dem admin and Congress.

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:05:36pm

re: #262 Scottish Dragon

If conservatives have their way and get a court to strike down the ACA, it will guarantee that the next dem administration and Congress will pass a single payer bill with reconciliation rules.

Assumes that Democrats will be able to retake the Senate and the WH. That’s not a certainty. The Courts, having been tilted to the right, will look to undo this as well.

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:06:38pm

re: #263 MsJ

Assuming there is a Dem admin and Congress.

I wish people would stop taking this as a given. Have we learned nothing from 2016?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:07:22pm

re: #262 Scottish Dragon

If conservatives have their way and get a court to strike down the ACA, it will guarantee that the next dem administration and Congress will pass a single payer bill with reconciliation rules.

You can screw people only so much and they will finally snap.

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BigPapa  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:12:11pm

Been on an Imogen Heap kick for a few weeks, helped to see her on LGF a week ago. Here’s she in her super breathy and nuanced grace with Master Bender Jeff Beck.

Jeff Beck featuring Imogen Heap - Blanket - HD 1080p

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:15:06pm

I’m just about done with Joe Biden.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:16:15pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

You can screw people only so much and they will finally snap.

Not if they are afraid for their lives if they oppose the regime or if they have been brainwashed. Do you think that Germans could have overthrown Hitler or Italians Mussolini if there were not outside forces that defeated these dictators militarily? The Russians have been cowed and do not resist the current dictator. The power of the modern state makes it difficult, if not impossible, to dislodge an autocratic regime, without outside support. Traditional Western liberalism is on the retreat everywhere in the world and autocracy and white supremacism is on the rise.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:20:09pm
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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:21:09pm

re: #269 Hecuba’s daughter

The Germans never overthrew Hitler. The Soviets never overthrew Stalin. The Chinese never overthrew Mao. The North Koreans have never overthrown the ruling family.

See the problem?

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Chrysicat  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:22:56pm

I know I should wait for the new thread, I know I should wait for the new thread…
…but OTOH, this comes out of responses to something posted in thisthread…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:23:49pm

re: #271 Skip Intro

The Germans never overthrew Hitler. The Soviets never overthrew Stalin. The Chinese never overthrew Mao. The North Koreans have never overthrown the ruling family.

See the problem?

I think that was the point I was trying to make — maybe not eloquently; i.e. dictators can be overthrown in the modern world only if there are outside forces.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:24:02pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:26:46pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

Oregon’s nice. A little different, but nice.

Only Slightly (More) Exaggerated | Travel Oregon

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wrenchwench  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:27:05pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:27:21pm

re: #273 Hecuba’s daughter

I think that was the point I was trying to make — maybe not eloquently; i.e. dictators can be overthrown in the modern world only if there are outside forces.

I’ve been hoping someone like England would invade us.

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:28:08pm

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

Oregon’s nice. A little different, but nice.

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Watching Portlandia you’d never know it rains there a lot.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:30:14pm
Trump on the South Lawn — when asked why he said in his July 4th speech that the Revolutionary Army “took over airports” — blames a faulty Teleprompter and says it’s “hard to read in the rain”

I remember when Obama using a teleprompter was destroying America.

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b.d.  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:30:50pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

I’m just about done with Joe Biden.

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Such boldness Joe!

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:31:15pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

Watching Portlandia you’d never know it rains there a lot.

It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia Portlandia.

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sagehen  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:33:02pm

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m hoping me and enough others will be willing to fight for these things.

Too many liberals are too damn lazy to fight.

They think it’s enough to propose policies that “anyone can see it’s a good idea”, and somehow as if by magic the right wing will judge those policies on the merits instead of just blinding supporting or opposing whatever their party tells them to.

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Skip Intro  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:34:10pm

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lawhawk  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:34:37pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

Why?

He’s failed to win the nomination twice before. He bailed in September 1987 when he ran the first time in the 1988 campaign. Then he bailed in January 2008, before the primaries.

He’s a poor candidate for president and he just doesn’t connect with voters, despite being likeable and Obama’s VP for 8 years.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:35:00pm

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

It may be sunny in Philly but it is also hot. We are in the middle of an Excessive Heat Warning. Yuck. forecast.weather.gov

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:35:29pm

re: #262 Scottish Dragon

If conservatives have their way and get a court to strike down the ACA, it will guarantee that the next dem administration and Congress will pass a single payer bill with reconciliation rules.

So you’re saying that if the GOP and courts strike down the ACA it will become more powerful than they can possibly imagine?

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Citizen K  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:35:39pm

re: #271 Skip Intro

The Germans never overthrew Hitler. The Soviets never overthrew Stalin. The Chinese never overthrew Mao. The North Koreans have never overthrown the ruling family.

See the problem?

About the closest thing I can even think of on that measure is the People Power Revolution, something important to me since my parents had fled from Marcos. Even then, that required a shitload of military defections, international embarrassments, and deep recession. And even then, Marcos lasted for 20 years.

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Belafon  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:40:58pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:44:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:55:14pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:55:25pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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She’s just a disgusting narcissistic asshole. Which is why Republicans are pumping the $$$ in her campaign.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:55:48pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:57:57pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:58:25pm

re: #292 Scottish Dragon

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Got it right this time

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 12:59:34pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

You should probably file another support request, if you haven’t already, and be sure to tell them you’re not receiving email from them.

Yeah done that. The problem is I just get back a bot reply telling me to “refer to the open report” but DOESN’T TELL ME HOW TO ACCESS THE OPEN REPORT.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:04:21pm

re: #272 Chrysicat

You would think this guy would know the word “defendant”, being a judge and all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:09:11pm

So many great airport memes. Sometimes, the internet is awesome.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:11:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:12:23pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:12:58pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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Senility. Deteriorating brain functions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:13:11pm

re: #295 The Pie Overlord!

I assume the Twitter help page is useless for such an issue?

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:14:00pm

re: #271 Skip Intro

The Germans never overthrew Hitler. The Soviets never overthrew Stalin. The Chinese never overthrew Mao. The North Koreans have never overthrown the ruling family.

See the problem?

Why would the Soviets want to overthrow Stalin when he got them through WWII and then died a few years later?

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:16:22pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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Actually terrifying. Corrosive to military subordination to civilian government.

Not saying they are wrong. Trump has been clearly misusing the military for partisanship and they absolutely must defend their non-partisan standing.

However, it is a precedent that is terrible in many ways, and damn Trump for forcing the military into this situation.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:18:06pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:18:48pm

re: #273 Hecuba’s daughter

I think that was the point I was trying to make — maybe not eloquently; i.e. dictators can be overthrown in the modern world only if there are outside forces.

The guy in Romania. The Ukrainians recently. Poland. Burma. Chile. Nicaragua. So now let’s discuss how those don’t count because reasons.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:23:11pm

re: #305 Old Liberal

The guy in Romania. The Ukrainians recently. Poland. Burma. Chile. Nicaragua. So now let’s discuss how those don’t count because reasons.

Nicolae Ceaușescu?

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:24:32pm

Billionaire coal owner who gave millions to drumpf died in helicopter crash. No tears here.

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:25:07pm

re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg

Nicolae Ceaușescu?

Yeah, too lazy to do all the fancy letters.

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Chrysicat  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:27:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:30:05pm
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Archangelus  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:31:13pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:32:03pm

Remember Nixon originated “it’s not illegal if the President does it”. Every single republican president has been a liar, a cheat, a killer, and a criminal from Reagan in. And the populace didn’t give a shit. Welcome to reverend Wright’s insight. God damn America.

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:33:11pm

re: #312 Old Liberal

Remember Nixon originated “it’s not illegal if the President does it”. Every single republican president has been a liar, a cheat, a killer, and a criminal from Reagan in. And the populace didn’t give a shit. Welcome to reverend Wright’s insight. God damn America.

Should have said from Nixon on. Every fucking one

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:34:10pm

and the hits keep coming:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:34:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:37:01pm
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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:40:00pm

in more positive news, I went out for pizza today, and while picking it up met the chairman of the Pickens County Democratic Committee. So now I have something to do with myself next Saturday.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:42:26pm
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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:44:45pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

People ask if he’s functionally illiterate, but he also seems partially aphasic, not to mention innumerate.

in other words, what we used to call an idiot.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:45:00pm

re: #318 Scottish Dragon

DT has his own view of history which bears little resemblance to what actually happened.

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:46:39pm

Nixon tampered with Vietnamese peace talks to win in 1968. Killed hundreds is thousands.
Nixon ordered breakins and funded dirty tricks and lied about secret peace plan for 1972.
Reagan tampered with Iran to win in 1980. Went full racist. Authorized Iran contra and numerous evil CIA actions. Promoted Iraq/Iran continuation. Killed hundreds of thousands including AIDS denial.
George Bush I signaled to Iraq to take Kuwait. He lied about knowing nothing about Iran Contra.
George Bush II cheated in multiple states and was handled the presidency by a corrupt court. Lied about WMD and killed hundreds of thousands. Cheated again in 2004. Like all before had numerous officials indicted and resigned.
This is what republicans do. Always have, always will.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:48:19pm

found a half dozen undocumented onion rings hiding in my order of fries.
Being a civilized person, i welcomed them in the same manner I offered to the fries they accompanied.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:48:43pm

re: #277 Skip Intro

I’ve been hoping someone like England would invade us.

I will welcome our new Canadian overlords.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:48:53pm
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steve_davis  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:49:26pm

re: #210 Teddy’s Person

Okay, let’s give him this one. But, it’s not unreasonable (outside the cult of MAGA) to expect the president of the United States to know that airports weren’t around in 1776. Teleprompter or not, nothing sums up the laziness and incompetence of the Trump administration like using the wikipedia page for the US military as a 4th of July speech.

hey, i can’t count all the times technology has failed in the classroom and driven me to deliver panicked lectures incorporating airports into the discussion.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:49:34pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a whole lot of makeup.

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Mescalero09  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:50:31pm

Same as it ever was………..

Steppenwolf - Monster (lyric Video)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:51:20pm

heh heh
Poor Steve King, even the Marine Times is trolling him

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mmmirele  Jul 5, 2019 • 1:53:08pm

You have to read down for it, but Trump did stick his foot on his mouth here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:05:41pm

re: #329 mmmirele

That article quotes Trump as saying:

“We’re spending $15-20 billion on a census. We’re doing everything. We’re finding out everything about everybody. … $15-20 billion and you aren’t allowed to ask them are you a citizen?”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:07:27pm

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

I assume the Twitter help page is useless for such an issue?

It tell you to open an appeal, which I did, but there is no way to get updates on the status.

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DangerMan  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:15:54pm

re: #321 Old Liberal

Nixon tampered with Vietnamese peace talks to win in 1968. Killed hundreds is thousands.
Nixon ordered breakins and funded dirty tricks and lied about secret peace plan for 1972.
Reagan tampered with Iran to win in 1980. Went full racist. Authorized Iran contra and numerous evil CIA actions. Promoted Iraq/Iran continuation. Killed hundreds of thousands including AIDS denial.
George Bush I signaled to Iraq to take Kuwait. He lied about knowing nothing about Iran Contra.
George Bush II cheated in multiple states and was handled the presidency by a corrupt court. Lied about WMD and killed hundreds of thousands. Cheated again in 2004. Like all before had numerous officials indicted and resigned.
This is what republicans do. Always have, always will.

To be fair, as it were
Nixon didn’t order the Watergate break-in as I understand it
He did lead the cover up

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:17:03pm
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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:19:17pm

re: #332 DangerMan

To be fair, as it were
Nixon didn’t order the Watergate break-in as I understand it
He did lead the cover up

I think it is a line too fine to think that Nixon’s paranoias and dirty tricks orientation wasn’t a roof that covered and that promoted all the shit that was done. It was an isolated incident in an otherwise upright operation

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:20:19pm

re: #334 Old Liberal

I think it is a line too fine to think that Nixon’s paranoias and dirty tricks orientation wasn’t a roof that covered and that promoted all the shit that was done. It was an isolated incident in an otherwise upright operation

It WAS NOT an isolated incident (watergate breakin)

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sagehen  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:21:29pm

re: #332 DangerMan

To be fair, as it were
Nixon didn’t order the Watergate break-in as I understand it
He did lead the cover up

And Bush I didn’t signal Iraq to take Kuwait — either an ambassador incompetently phrased things ambiguously, or a translator fucked up. Saddam was whining, asked us to get him what he wanted from Kuwait, the US said “not our problem, we’re not getting involved”, and Saddam chose to interpret that as a go-ahead.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:24:05pm

Let’s get one thing straight.
Trump doesn’t know what ramparts are.

“Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports,”

Everything points to that he reached “manned the ramparts” in his speech, and his brain simply rejected the word as an unknown entity. His addled cheese curds then attempted to interpret this foreign dialect with similar sounding phrases he was familiar with

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:24:10pm

re: #336 sagehen

And Bush I didn’t signal Iraq to take Kuwait — either an ambassador incompetently phrased things ambiguously, or a translator fucked up. Saddam was whining, asked us to get him what he wanted from Kuwait, the US said “not our problem, we’re not getting involved”, and Saddam chose to interpret that as a go-ahead.

You can choose to believe that version. I think it came out at the same time as Bush was pushing the “babies thrown from incubators” lie. Truth is the first casualty of war.

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:25:19pm
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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:25:42pm

re: #337 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“Our Army manned the air…”
Five words in, and it’s nonsense.

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:26:39pm

re: #336 sagehen

And Bush I didn’t signal Iraq to take Kuwait — either an ambassador incompetently phrased things ambiguously, or a translator fucked up. Saddam was whining, asked us to get him what he wanted from Kuwait, the US said “not our problem, we’re not getting involved”, and Saddam chose to interpret that as a go-ahead.

Funny how the US didn’t notice Iraq massing at the border. And got no advance intelligence in time to “clarify” things

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:27:13pm
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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:30:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:34:04pm

re: #343 jaunte

Please let the judge smack these assholes down.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:35:04pm

re: #344 Eclectic Cyborg

Seems like knowingly lying to the court is pretty contemptuous of that court.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:38:31pm

re: #339 Scottish Dragon

The English language has changed over the years. Read any published work from before 1800 and most people will not recognize it. Even read any of Jane Austen’s novels and many people will not recognize the older language in it. One of my favorite examples is pianoforte. Today’s piano has 88 keys but the older pianoforte had 96 keys. I believe Bosendorfer makes a 92 key instrument. en.wikipedia.org

google.com

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Old Liberal  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:47:33pm

Pop quiz

When did the CIA officially admit it was involved in installing the Shah in 1953?

2013. Sixty years later.

It will be a few years before we find out half the shit done by Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Until then, consider the source of information.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 2:51:50pm

“…Laptops and memory sticks found with the suspects showed that they worked for an outfit identified as Fabrika Trollei, Russian for Troll Factory, that “specializes in influencing elections that are to be held in several African states” including Libya, the letter, stamped by the attorney general’s office and obtained by Bloomberg, stated. Two Libyan government officials with direct knowledge of the matter confirmed the authenticity of the document.

Fabrika Trollei was the moniker given to a network of media and political outfits connected to Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, who’s been accused by the U.S. of funding and organizing operations to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:10:20pm

It looks like Philly is going to get some wild weather according to the radar. There are some red splotches south and west of the city.
wunderground.com

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MsJ  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:17:43pm

Good God.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:18:35pm

re: #350 MsJ

Good God.

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I always wondered if Woke Joe Walsh could go too far.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:18:46pm

re: #350 MsJal actsd, Joe.

No more carnival acts, Joe.

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EPR-radar  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:19:48pm

re: #352 jaunte

al actsd, Joe.

No more carnival acts, Joe.

He should do it. It won’t go anywhere, of course, but it would bring a much needed bit of festivity to the ongoing Trump Circus.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:22:06pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:30:55pm

re: #353 EPR-radar

He should do it. It won’t go anywhere, of course, but it would bring a much needed bit of festivity to the ongoing Trump Circus.

And hopefully keep the ratfuckers away from the Dem primaries.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:33:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:37:16pm
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Kilroy was here  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:40:21pm

Trump’s next teleprompter malfunction…

“I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:46:07pm

JFC wypipo losing their shit over an imaginary half-human, half-fish creature.

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jaunte  Jul 5, 2019 • 3:53:24pm

re: #359 The Pie Overlord!

“Life is change.
How it differs from the rocks.”
azlyrics.com

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Danack  Jul 6, 2019 • 2:48:36am

re: #277 Skip Intro

I’ve been hoping someone like England would invade us.

Bugger. At least when Obama was President, we were hoping you would invade _us_.


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