Acoustic Guitar Mastery: Jon Gomm, “Deep Sea Fishes”

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From the forthcoming album The Faintest Idea out 16th October. Listen and pre-order here: jongomm.lnk.to

Full guitar tab with all techniques explained, here: jongomm.com

I have many mental health diagnoses, worn like medals earned in a war against myself.
When depression grips, I hide in worlds sheltered from human emotion. One time I was hunkered down watching a documentary about fish. This was new footage, of undiscovered creatures who live in the very deepest parts of the very deepest oceans. Down there it’s cold, bleak, there’s no light, and almost no life. The fish that roam this wasteland alone are hideous beasts with terrifying fangs and luminescent lures.

Thinking about these tragic monsters left me pretty upset. For days. Until eventually I realised, they must come from somewhere. There must be a daddy hideous sea monster, and a mummy hideous sea monster, and, despite the odds, they must meet, and fall in love, and make little baby hideous sea monsters.

And is that so very different from us? So I wrote this love song.

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Here’s all the gear I used. If you wanna buy any of it, if you use any of the links below then I get a small commission:

Ibanez JGM10 prototype guitar

Newtone Jon Gomm signature guitar strings
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Blackstar Sonnet 60 acoustic amplifier thomann.de

Sontronics SOLO vocal mic
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Fishman Rare Earth Blend and PowerTap pickup systems
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MOTU Ultralite AVB mixer/interface
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Boss OC-3 octave pedal
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Zoom Multistomp effects pedal
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Klotz cables
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Filmed by The Samsara Collective at Niamos Radical Arts Theatre, Manchester, England.
Audio produced by Andy Sorenson
Mastered by Tom Woodhead

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261 comments

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:06:40pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:08:22pm

a a be cecum ef fifth gnu porky so kuru!

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:10:25pm
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:14:30pm

re: #3 jaunte

CBS this morning was talking about her. Some of you already know this, but part of what her got onto women’s rights was her own experience with her brother. The family wanted her to get a job so that her brother could go to school. She was going to have to help pay for his school.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:23:52pm

re: #292 I Would Prefer Not To

and weed.

We have to come back to Nebraska. This state really isn’t big on transporting weed across the state line.

Guess we’ll have to use it in Colorado. /s

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:25:39pm

Yes. Religious people talk about their faith all the time. That’s how they groom recruit.

As for her “Kingdom of God” quote, she can keep her Christian Nationalism out of my government, thank you. Given the chance, she would make me an un-citizen in a second.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:27:34pm

Republicans (and particularly religious Republicans) are actively working to kill people to put a few more dollars in their pockets. This has to be repeated because people keep turning away, hoping it can be ignored.

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jaunte  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:31:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:31:45pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:33:52pm
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:34:15pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Yes. Religious people talk about their faith all the time. That’s how they groom recruit.

As for her “Kingdom of God” quote, she can keep her Christian Nationalism out of my government, thank you. Given the chance, she would make me an un-citizen in a second.

Oh I get to be an “un-citizen” too as Christian Nationalists want to round my people up and ship us against our will over to Israel so JC and his Sonshine Band can start the Battle of Armageddon…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:38:54pm

re: #8 jaunte

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mmmirele  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:43:06pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Yes. Religious people talk about their faith all the time. That’s how they groom recruit.

As for her “Kingdom of God” quote, she can keep her Christian Nationalism out of my government, thank you. Given the chance, she would make me an un-citizen in a second.

I would prefer not to have the Holy War that would erupt here in the USA between the various religious sects if they were to get their hands on that kind of power. I mean, the fanatical Catholics think everyone else is wrong, the Evangelicals generally think Catholics and Mormons are going to hell, and Mormons, well, they send missionaries EVERYWHERE. Do you think these (or any other religious combination) would be willing to share power? Hell no. It would be the Thirty Years War but here in the USA.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:46:49pm

re: #13 mmmirele

I would prefer not to have the Holy War that would erupt here in the USA between the various religious sects if they were to get their hands on that kind of power. I mean, the fanatical Catholics think everyone else is wrong, the Evangelicals generally think Catholics and Mormons are going to hell, and Mormons, well, they send missionaries EVERYWHERE. Do you think these (or any other religious combination) would be willing to share power? Hell no. It would be the Thirty Years War but here in the USA.

You will see sect turn on sect like a bunch of newly hatched preying mantises! They’re going to go to Holy War with each other. I’ve predicted all along that the Religious Right is going to turn on itself and Catholics, Evangelicals and Mormons will be locked in mortal combat.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:48:49pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:50:25pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:52:46pm

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Some damn fine defensive teamwork there from the Seahawks.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:55:51pm

re: #14 🌹UOJB!

You will see sect turn on sect like a bunch of newly hatched preying mantises! They’re going to go to Holy War with each other. I’ve predicted all along that the Religious Right is going to turn on itself and Catholics, Evangelicals and Mormons will be locked in mortal combat.

Well, they all hate us, so I guess they’d come after us first.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:57:08pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Well, they all hate us, so I guess they’d come after us first.

Maybe we will get lucky and see them first go after the Jehovah’s Witnesses for not saluting the flag…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 8:59:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:02:35pm

Thread, six tweets, on white supremacy, mental health, and compassion.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:04:28pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:09:43pm

For all those who think the public will be outraged by McConnell’s hypocrisy: everyone knew that he was lying in 2016 and that the only principle he followed to obstruct everything that the Democratic President did. Everyone knew th at if it had been a Republican president he never would have stopped the appointment. He has poisoned this nation from the day Obama took office and with Trump in office, he had a perfect partner. McConnell, Barr, and Trump are the ideal trio to bring this nation to its knees and discard all progress of the last 100 years. It’s difficult to see what the Democrats can do to stop his plot — My only solace is that if he really believed Trump was going to win re-election and the GOP was going to hold the Senate, he may have decided to wait until after the election to make this move, so this may reflect his concern that both the White House and the Senate will be lost. Let’s pray this comes to pass and they go down to defeat.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:15:36pm

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

My only solace is that if he really believed Trump was going to win re-election and the GOP was going to hold the Senate, he may have decided to wait until after the election to make this move, so this may reflect his concern that both the White House and the Senate will be lost. Let’s pray this comes to pass and they go down to defeat.

I think that’s why McConnell is in such a rush to do this - it’s a tacit unspoken admission on his part that he reckons that Trump is likely to lose his re-election bid and that the GOP will likely lose control of the Senate as well.

And with that, off to work….back later.

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:22:58pm

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Some damn fine defensive teamwork there from the Seahawks.

Pats fan here, but credit to Seattle; they’re a good team. No angst.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:23:07pm
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Belafon  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:38:45pm

My mom sent me this, about a pro-life Christian that is voting for Biden: m.facebook.com

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:42:34pm

For those bashing New Jersey and New York over the early outbreak of Covid-19 rampaging through convalescent homes:

Nearly half of Nebraska’s COVID-19 deaths come from nursing homes; tracking the deadliest outbreaks (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Gov. Pete Ricketts and state health officials for months have rejected calls to release the names of Nebraska nursing homes with COVID-19 outbreaks, offering only statewide aggregate numbers of cases and deaths in long-term care facilities.

But the World-Herald recently mined a federal database to reveal COVID-19’s toll on Nebraska’s 200-plus nursing homes and their 11,500 residents.

In all, through Sept. 6, 31 homes have reported fatal outbreaks, totaling 185 deaths. That’s approaching half the state’s total death count of 400-plus, underscoring the critical need to protect nursing home residents.

Nine homes had 10 or more deaths, including five in Douglas County. In Grand Island, one home saw 20 resident deaths.

And up until now, the vast majority of the deadly outbreaks have never been publicly disclosed.

Gov. Ricketts has been one of the Republicans bashing Gov. Cuomo over nursing home deaths. Now we know why he’s been so resistant about releasing those numbers. The percentage here is even higher.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:45:53pm
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retired cynic  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:46:57pm

re: #29 DodgerFan1988

What a nasty POS.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:52:09pm

re: #27 Belafon

My mom sent me this, about a pro-life Christian that is voting for Biden:

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That’s the sort of argument someone like me cannot make.

I’m aware of what’s in the Bible, what it says about abortion (nada except for an adultery test in the Old Testament), what it says in the New Testament (also nada), but no one is going to listen to an atheist calling a Christian so-called pro-lifer a hypocrite, or working contrary to their goals of no abortions.

It takes other Christians to do that.

If I had my way religion wouldn’t worm its way into politics at all, but that’s not the country I live in. Since it’s there, it will take those who are Christians to make those arguments (since atheists are less trusted than rapists or paedophiles in our country).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 9:54:05pm

re: #29 DodgerFan1988

Same.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:06:03pm

re: #29 DodgerFan1988

Honestly, Christianity would be so much less offensive if it didn’t usually have this “No matter how good you were, you’re going to Hell if you didn’t believe in Jesus Christ” message.

This is mainstream, not Westboro Baptist shit. Does anyone know the fraction of Christians in the US that are in denominations liberal enough to not have this bullshit dogma?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:21:06pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Honestly, Christianity would be so much less offensive if it didn’t usually have this “No matter how good you were, you’re going to Hell if you didn’t believe in Jesus Christ” message.

This is mainstream, not Westboro Baptist shit. Does anyone know the fraction of Christians in the US that are in denominations liberal enough to not have this bullshit dogma?

Christians who do not believe in Hell from the Pew Religious Landscape Survey, by age, generation cohort, gender (women far more than men), race (about 70% of whites), immigration cohort, income distribution, education level, parental status, by frequency of attendance at (any) church, by frequency of prayer, &c.

The overwhelming majority of Christians believe in Hell. Liberal denomination does not matter.

pewforum.org

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:23:42pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Honestly, Christianity would be so much less offensive if it didn’t usually have this “No matter how good you were, you’re going to Hell if you didn’t believe in Jesus Christ” message.

This is mainstream, not Westboro Baptist shit. Does anyone know the fraction of Christians in the US that are in denominations liberal enough to not have this bullshit dogma?

There used to be some that argued that it’s actually entirely up to God, and that you couldn’t loophole your way into heaven. But I haven’t been to church in ages.

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EPR-radar  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:25:11pm

re: #35 Belafon

There used to be some that argued that it’s actually entirely up to God, and that you couldn’t loophole your way into heaven. But I haven’t been to church in ages.

That sounds like Calvinism/predestination. To be as charitable as possible, that doctrine is supremely fucked up, even for religion.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:28:36pm

re: #35 Belafon

There used to be some that argued that it’s actually entirely up to God, and that you couldn’t loophole your way into heaven. But I haven’t been to church in ages.

That is one counter-apologtics argument against Pascal’s Wager. Any God sufficiently knowledgeable about his or her creation would also be aware if he or she was being hoodwinked to avoid Perdition.

Any god who can’t figure that out is probably not worthy of the title.

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Belafon  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:34:40pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

That sounds like Calvinism/predestination. To be as charitable as possible, that doctrine is supremely fucked up, even for religion.

Not quite the same. I didn’t meant to imply predestination, more that saying “But I was saved and he wasn’t” didnt actually mean much to God.” More that following Jesus was great, but if you did the right things, that was way more important.”

The preacher who made those statements at the church I went to as a kid was eventually driven out by the older congregants.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:36:55pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:42:11pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:42:46pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:44:24pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I wear wide brim hats and masks in public. Facial recognition will have a hard time with me.

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Targetpractice  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:47:44pm

re: #41 Dread Pirate Ron

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One day you wake up and find yourself in a dystopian future.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 10:48:06pm

Long thread on how restaurant apps like GrubHub and Door Dash are defrauding restaurants, employees of restaurants, their own employees, tax collectors, &c.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:04:51pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:06:17pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The overwhelming majority of Christians believe in Hell. Liberal denomination does not matter.

pewforum.org

A lot of them are Christians because they live in fear of hell and eternal damnation and want access to the magic juju needed to avoid it, not because they just want love each other and work on being better people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:07:41pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

the “white women wellness turns q anon” phenomenon is discussed on tomorrow’s nightcallpod tune on in

is Gwyneth Paltrow’s vagina actually the opening to the rabbit hole?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:10:14pm

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of them are Christians because they live in fear of hell and eternal damnation and want access to the magic juju needed to avoid it, not because they just want love each other and work on being better people.

Pretty much.

When we first moved here, we went around the neighbourhood introducing ourselves (Oklahoma plate on the car, making sure people knew we lived here now).

The woman across the street from us invited us to the Lutheran church within a couple minutes of meeting her (she no longer lives here), and was stunned when we told her we were atheists, but thank you. She lost it: You can’t say that! God will send you to Hell! You need to repent immediately! (Made our way out pretty quickly.)

Threats of Hell are a very good way to keep the faithful in line, but carry no weight amongst non-believers. (Christians don’t seem to understand why that threat carries no weight. They believe it so it must be true.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:12:07pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

These people believe that they (and by extension, all the rest of us) are loathsome sinners who will fry in hell unless we toe their very specifically defined line.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:18:26pm

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These people believe that they (and by extension, all the rest of us) are loathsome sinners who will fry in hell unless we toe their very specifically defined line.

Live your life in a moral way as possible, but don’t believe, and into the Pit you go.

Live like an amoral ——— all your life but a deathbed conversion, welcome aboard.

But it’s all free will, you choose your fate they say. The person murdered in the streets simply chose their fate. They go to hell (because non-believer), but murderer repents and gets the golden streets. (That is just as odious as predestination.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:19:38pm

I’m going to head off to bed. Long drive to Westminster tomorrow. G’night y’all.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 20, 2020 • 11:56:20pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 21, 2020 • 1:03:00am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Sep 21, 2020 • 1:09:30am

I was at this concert. Day on the Green concerts were fantastic. Thanks to Bill Graham.

YouTube

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Decatur Deb  Sep 21, 2020 • 1:17:15am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of them are Christians because they live in fear of hell and eternal damnation and want access to the magic juju needed to avoid it, not because they just want love each other and work on being better people.

That’s OK under the Centrist RC Thomistic doctrine. Love is the goal, faith is the threshold, obedience is the requirement. “Outside the Church there is no salvation” is the default. But there always was a very narrow acceptance of exceptional grace, held to save non-believers who led near-perfect lives. That’s why there are old churches named for Saint Moses.

There’s about a billion and a half RC-compliant Catholics. Thus there is quite a broad range of beliefs that can be squeezed into orthodoxy.

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2020 • 1:56:42am

re: #7 jaunte

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Republicans (and particularly religious Republicans) are actively working to kill people to put a few more dollars in their pockets. This has to be repeated because people keep turning away, hoping it can be ignored.

My understanding of the ACA case as a non-lawyer:

The big tax cut of 2017 cut the penalty for the individual mandate to $0. Therefore, the wingnut circuit judge decided that it was not a tax anymore per the 2012 SCOTUS decision and therefore the individual mandate was unconstitutional and therefore the whole of the ACA is unconstitutional because why not. The wingnut appeals court said that the individual mandate is unconstitutional but punted on the unconstitutionality of the whole ACA.

Therefore, if we get the House, Senate and Presidency in November, this case can be mooted in January by passing a non-zero individual mandate penalty and therefore it’s a tax again. I don’t think the President could do it by executive order, but considering the mess the goopers made of the tax cut legislation, I guess we’d need an expert opinion.

My opinion is expand the Federal courts and SCOTUS anyways. You don’t have to make a political argument: there are too few courts to handle the case load now, and each SCOTUS justice is handling multiple circuits. The whole gooper power grab is based on very carefully gaming a tightly controlled system, and once you throw that up in the air a lot of this crap falls apart.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2020 • 2:45:52am

Meanwhile, here in Czech Republic, the Minister of Health has resigned (he was unqualified in any event) and his replacement is Roman Prymula, an epidemiologist, who’s also a peddler of woowoo (homeopathy and Traditional Chinese Medicine), was accused of money laundering at the Hrádec Kralové University Hospital (forcing his resignation at the time and an inconclusive investigation by the Czech police), and has repeatedly failed to obtain a ministerial security clearance owing to numerous business conflicts of interests.

Oh, sweet meteor of death, where art thou?

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 2:57:08am

re: #39 Ace-o-aces

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2020 • 2:57:15am

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

This could be interesting. I haven’t gone very deep into it yet, but the scale of money laundering is about what I expected (multiple trillions of $), and Treasury looks like they’ve been sitting on a mountain of suspicious activity reports that serve as bank get-out-of-jail-free cards.

I think this explains a lot of government bad behavior: follow the money. Also, a new Democratic AG who is not weirdly uninterested in money laundering involving conservative organizations may make things very unpleasant for a lot of gooper Senators.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:04:52am

re: #59 ericblair

Oh, I’m sure all manner of shit is going on behind the scenes. For instance, Dr. Prymula (the freshly-minted Czech Minster of Health), who established a corporation in June….selling medical devices (facemasks, respirators, etc.) and of course, the manufacture and distribution of vaccines.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:08:54am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:38:38am

re: #54 Dread Pirate Ron

I was at this concert. Day on the Green concerts were fantastic. Thanks to Bill Graham.

Video

I also saw them (pre-plane crash) at a big blowout concert outside Chicago featuring Peter Frampton, Gary Wright and Yes.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:39:41am

Woman suspected of sending poisoned letter to Trump arrested (KTVZ, Bend, Ore.)

A woman suspected of sending a letter containing the poison ricin to President Donald Trump was arrested as she tried to enter the US from Canada at a border crossing in New York state, a US law enforcement official said.

The woman was carrying a gun and arrested by US authorities, according to the law enforcement official.

US prosecutors in Washington, DC, are expected to bring charges against her.

CNN previously reported that law enforcement had intercepted a ricin package sent to Trump last week, according to two law enforcement officials, and that investigators were looking into the possibility that it came from Canada.

A person familiar with the investigation told CNN’s Josh Campbell the letter was mailed from St. Hubert, Quebec, and contained a granular substance with similar physical characteristics to ground castor beans.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:41:30am

Authorities are investigating additional similar packages mailed to addresses in Texas that may be connected to the same sender in Canada, CNN previously reported, according to a US law enforcement official.

“We are aware of the concerning reports of packages containing ricin directed toward US federal government sites,” Mary-Liz Power, chief spokeswoman for Canada’s Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair, told CNN on Saturday.

“Canadian law enforcement is working closely with their US counterparts. As this is an active investigation we cannot comment further,” she had said.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:42:25am

re: #60 Dr Lizardo

I am going to feed the fishes…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:43:50am

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Far-right trash Jacob Wohl went to the Supreme Court to tell RBG mourners that “Roe v. Wade is dead”

Hate to say it but the fucker is right. And they will not stop there, they will seek to ban abortion nationwide (rich Fundamentalists can still send their daughters to Canada if they get knocked up by some low-life…)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 3:58:51am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hate to say it but the fucker is right. And they will not stop there, they will seek to ban abortion nationwide (rich Fundamentalists can still send their daughters to Canada if they get knocked up by some low-life…)

Wading into the mourning crowd with one of those portable amplifiers that evangelists use was not called for. Too bad someone didn’t have scissors to cut his cord (also useful against evangelists).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:00:24am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hate to say it but the fucker is right. And they will not stop there, they will seek to ban abortion nationwide (rich Fundamentalists can still send their daughters to Canada if they get knocked up by some low-life…)

They won’t stop at banning abortion either. Some are already on record wanting to go after Griswold v Conn and Eisenstadt v Baird. Every bit of this is religious.

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steve_davis  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:00:44am

re: #29 DodgerFan1988

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not really. evangelicals do this all the time, to everybody. when i die as a practicing episcopalian, somebody on my Facebook page from the evangelical community will be silently praying that i was saved at the end. had someone i rather liked in high school reconnect with me on facebook last week. their first question to me on messenger was if i’d been saved. yes, i told him. lifelong episcopalian. things went downhill from there, so i ended our facebook renewal.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:10:31am

re: #69 steve_davis

not really. evangelicals do this all the time, to everybody. when i die as a practicing episcopalian, somebody on my Facebook page from the evangelical community will be silently praying that i was saved at the end. had someone i rather liked in high school reconnect with me on facebook last week. their first question to me on messenger was if i’d been saved. yes, i told him. lifelong episcopalian. things went downhill from there, so i ended our facebook renewal.

So, they are equal opportunity bigots then. They’d be really upset if atheists unbaptised them.

(2:26)

Bill Maher’s Atheist Unbaptism Ritual

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:18:35am

Post-tropical cyclone Paulette is expected to become a tropical storm today or tomorrow.

Tropical storm warnings are up for Bermuda from Hurricane Teddy. A tropical storm watch is up for the southern coast of Nova Scotia.

Tropical storm Beta is now putting storm-force winds across much of the Texas coast and well inland.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:22:59am

While we’re on an acoustic thread:

Girl from the North Country - Bob Dylan

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:25:18am

More on Jake Gardner, the Omaha man who was indicted for the murder of James Scurlock and who killed himself in Oregon:

Sunday, Dornan and Monaghan blamed Gardner’s apparent suicide on a cocktail of behavioral health problems stemming from head trauma he experienced during military service; the belief that people were out to kill him; and an “incessant rush to judgment” by social media jockeys.

In their first public comments since the May 30 shooting, the Omaha attorneys, both former prosecutors, revealed that their client had suffered two traumatic brain injuries while serving two tours in Iraq, injuries that netted him Social Security disability payments. They said the bar owner, who had posted on Facebook the weekend of May 30 that he was going downtown to “pull a military-style firewatch,” felt like he was in a warlike environment during the chaos that engulfed downtown Omaha that night.

omaha.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:27:44am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

More on Jake Gardner, the Omaha man who was indicted for the murder of James Scurlock who killed himself in Oregon:

omaha.com

By Trump’s definition, a pathetic loser…

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:39:14am

I would have let her go:

An Oklahoma woman told police that she had to “poop so bad” before taking off and leading them on a high-speed chase, new body camera footage shows.

Emily Sindt Owings, 28, was pulled over around 9 a.m. Tuesday when a cop noticed that she was not wearing a seatbelt in the city of Enid, according to local police.

She didn’t have her insurance or any identification except for a medical marijuana card, but the officer ran her information and determined that her driver’s license had been revoked

When he informs her that he’s checking for outstanding warrants, she tearfully tells the officer, “But I have to poop so bad,” body camera footage shows.

“It’s my birthday. It’s my f-king birthday,” Owings could be heard saying.

“Why won’t you just let me go?” Owings asked him, to which the cop responds, “Because your license is suspended!”

Oh, wait:

Police said they discovered a pipe with meth when they searched her vehicle.

nypost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:40:58am

re: #75 Shropshire Slasher

Police said they discovered a pipe with meth when they searched her vehicle.

Did she have a Medical Meth card?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:43:13am

My GF lives near Mettmann, Germany. Now German license plates are often based on the first letters of the city they are from, so licenses up there all start with ME

I suggested that when we retire, we could get a big brown Winnebago and order a custom license plate that starts with ME - TH…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 4:53:02am

I live near Bingen, so I ordered a custom plate starting with BIN-KS.

Seems that all the ones with BIN-GE were already taken…

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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2020 • 5:08:56am

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jeffreyw  Sep 21, 2020 • 5:16:30am

Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Sep 21, 2020 • 5:16:43am

So I see teleskiguy got himself a GSD named Daisy! Yay! She’s gorgeous. Welcome Home Daisy! You’re gonna get spoiled rotten.

(I wanted to post this last night but my phone keeps crashing when LGF threads have around 200-250 comments. Only on my phone and iPad, not my desktop. I’m guessing it’s an apple thing)

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 5:45:53am

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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it’s this kind of thinking that demonstrates (proves?) that the court was delegitimized long ago.

everyone sees the court as a way to ‘get what we want’.

no one sees it as party in the constitutional tug of checks and balances, or a means of justice.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 5:50:50am

Just made a contribution to Warnock, who is second in the Georgia Senate race to Loeffler in a poll released today. I’m hoping for a blue tsunami that gives the Democrats a comfortable Senate majority.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:06:42am

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

For those bashing New Jersey and New York over the early outbreak of Covid-19 rampaging through convalescent homes:

Nearly half of Nebraska’s COVID-19 deaths come from nursing homes; tracking the deadliest outbreaks (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

Gov. Ricketts has been one of the Republicans bashing Gov. Cuomo over nursing home deaths. Now we know why he’s been so resistant about releasing those numbers. The percentage here is even higher.

The percentages are even higher despite having months of lead time to prepare and do better.

Cuomo and Murphy were dealing with a crisis with no information, Trump angling to block aid and support, and everyone was on a crash course trying to figure out steps to take to keep people safe.

Ricketts should have benefited from the weeks and months of lessons learned in NY and NJ, but instead, he squandered it, just as surely as other GOP run states did. They ignored the primary lesson of masking and social distancing, and that reopening too fast and too soon has deadly consequences.

But sure, it’s all blue states fault that our death toll is so high.

Right now, on per capita basis, NY ranks 12th, NJ is 15th (worldometers). There’s a metric shit ton of GOP run states who have higher per capita cases than blue states: LA, FL, MS, AL, AZ, GA, TN, SC, IA, AR, and TX all come in higher than NY.

On per capita deaths basis, NY and NJ are still well ahead of the rest of the nation, but not for lack of trying. The death rates in GOP states are rising, despite what we’ve learned about spreading covid19 and what it’d take to stop the spread.

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steve_davis  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:12:43am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am going to feed the fishes…

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let them. if republicans want to turn their death cult into a suicide squad, they’re welcome to do so. there are plenty of states where “would you support legislation to return to legalized abortion?” would be a campaign ender for many republican campaigns.

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mmmirele  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:13:12am

re: #36 EPR-radar

That sounds like Calvinism/predestination. To be as charitable as possible, that doctrine is supremely fucked up, even for religion.

This is how fucked up it can get. Last year I had a guy outside Apologia Church here in Mesa tell me, in response to my comment that half of all fertilized human ova fail to implant, that God had decided before the foundation of the world which of those fertilized ova would be saved, and which would go to hell. I was completely gobsmacked. You can’t reason with someone like that.

[I do have to admit trying to understand what purpose it would serve to perpetually separate a perhaps 32 cell blastocyst forever from God, or even roast that blastocyst in hell, because blastocysts don’t have any neural wiring whatsoever and it’d be like roasting a fingernail clipping. But then again, I think the idea of the god of the Calvinists is a horrifying monster and my only response to such a god would be a two finger salute and a Bronx cheer.]

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:24:23am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Long thread on how restaurant apps like GrubHub and Door Dash are defrauding restaurants, employees of restaurants, their own employees, tax collectors, &c.

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I’m downloading a whole lot of individual restaurant apps, but I refuse to use either of those.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:26:02am

re: #81 A Mom Anon

So I see teleskiguy got himself a GSD named Daisy! Yay! She’s gorgeous. Welcome Home Daisy! You’re gonna get spoiled rotten.

(I wanted to post this last night but my phone keeps crashing when LGF threads have around 200-250 comments. Only on my phone and iPad, not my desktop. I’m guessing it’s an apple thing)

It’s not just you, Mom: LGF is very often wonky for me in my iPad: it may be a network signal thing: I often have to reload most places in my apt., but sometimes it works better when I’m standing directly in front of the router. Maybe.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:29:32am
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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:29:37am

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:30:50am

A tale of two campaigns:

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:32:13am
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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:36:52am

re: #90 dangerman

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That top cartoon should have shown a black Sharpie, just for accuracy….

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:38:41am

re: #92 Belafon

Covid19 causes myocarditis. That’s an infection of the heart muscle, and it can kill if you don’t catch it in time. It’s dangerous stuff. We’ve seen a bunch of pro and college athletes diagnosed with it.

That it’d cause heart attacks in otherwise healthy people isn’t surprising me in the slightest. I heard what it did to a family friend - it killed him. He was otherwise healthy and both he and his wife got covid. She recovered, he never did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:39:49am

re: #94 lawhawk

Remember “it’s just a flu”?

Herd immunity is not the way out of this…

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:43:26am

At least we can count on some self-foot-shooting chaos from the yam to help put sand in the gears.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:46:11am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember “it’s just a flu”?

Herd immunity is not the way out of this…

Herd immunity would require at least 50% catching this, if not 70%.

In a US population of 330 million, that means 165 million cases (at 50%). If there’s a 1% case death rate, you’re looking at… 1.65 million deaths.

Only problem. US case fatality rate is 2.9%, which means you’re looking at 4.79 million deaths.

F to the T, the GOP, and mendacious media that enables both.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:46:20am

re: #92 Belafon

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This week’s public service reminder

nothing’s changed (including reconfirming there’s a shit-ton we don’t know yet):
Anyone can get it
Anyone can have it and not know it
Anyone who has it (knowing or not) can pass it on
Anyone can survive it
Anyone can die from it
Anyone can experience nasty medical side effects that create a permanent pre-existing condition
The virus does not fight fair

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:47:22am

re: #98 dangerman

…and add that there are indications that you can get it twice.

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:48:18am

re: #98 dangerman

This week’s public service reminder

nothing’s changed (including reconfirming there’s a shit-ton we don’t know yet):
Anyone can get it
Anyone can have it and not know it
Anyone who has it (knowing or not) can pass it on
Anyone can survive it
Anyone can die from it
Anyone can experience nasty medical side effects that create a permanent pre-existing condition
The virus does not fight fair

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Educated guess:
Heart attack brought on by oxygen hunger the patient didn’t notice.

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:51:11am

re: #89 Belafon

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Obviously part of the Gay Agenda (tm). Because Alan Turing was famously gay.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:52:05am

re: #100 Teukka

My educated guess would be that he had myocarditis pre-heart attack caused by covid19, which weakened the heart muscle. Then, with exertion, the muscle failed, causing the heart attack.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:54:26am

re: #97 lawhawk

Herd immunity would require at least 50% catching this, if not 70%.

In a US population of 330 million, that means 165 million cases (at 50%). If there’s a 1% case death rate, you’re looking at… 1.65 million deaths.

Only problem. US case fatality rate is 2.9%, which means you’re looking at 4.79 million deaths.

F to the T, the GOP, and mendacious media that enables both.

And obviously that’s just the deaths
Plus the cost of medical care for those who don’t have a mild case and just “ride it out”
Plus all the side effects as you stated which become permanent, life threatening and life shortening

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:55:50am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and add that there are indications that you can get it twice.

I’ll put it on the list

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:56:14am
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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 6:58:32am

About that new money Democrats are getting:

And this ends my Abbreviated Anne Laurie Roundup Roundup.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:04:29am

Gotta admit the stories about people with healthy hearts developing heart problems because of Covid scare me a lot. I have a heart condition. Just hope a vaccine can be developed safely.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:08:03am

re: #105 Belafon

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And this is the second part of the psa:

People are going to continue to die from this.
People are going to continue to needlessly die from this.

Don’t be one of them.
Do not personally sacrifice to this carnage.
Do not accept or promote this carnage as some kind of perverse new normal.

Let the idiots do what they want.

Your number one objective is to keep your own people alive.
be prudent and protect yourselves!

work outside your home if you have to
do it smart, even if your boss / employer won’t.
And if you can’t, consider whether your job is worth your life (it isn’t).

Continue to follow the safety measure you know work: wear a mask, wash your hands - sanitizer when you cant / until you can, avoid people, keep your distance when you can’t, limit interactions with the public, etc., etc.

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Teukka  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:09:14am

re: #100 Teukka

Educated guess:
Heart attack brought on by oxygen hunger the patient didn’t notice.

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:16:42am

I tend to agree with Josh, and am not being sarcastic. Why would he be a sucker and give up something for free that he could shake people down for?

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:25:43am

“…Kennedy believes that the Administration relied on volunteers in order to sidestep government experts and thereby “control the narrative.” He said that Brad Smith, one of the political appointees who directed the task force, pressured him to create a model fudging the projected number of fatalities; Smith wanted the model to predict a high of a hundred thousand U.S. deaths, claiming that the experts’ models were “too severe.” Kennedy said that he told Smith, “I don’t know the first thing about disease modelling,” and declined the assignment. (A spokesman said that Smith did not recall the conversation.) To date, nearly two hundred thousand Americans have died.

The volunteers were also instructed to prioritize requests from the President’s friends and supporters. According to Kennedy, the group paid special attention to Jeanine Pirro, the Fox News personality. Pirro, Kennedy said, was “particularly aggressive,” and demanded that masks be shipped to a hospital she favored. The volunteers were also told to direct millions of dollars’ worth of supplies to only five preselected distributors. Kennedy was asked to draft a justification for this decision, but refused. “Hundreds of people were sending e-mails every day offering P.P.E.,” he said, but no one in charge responded effectively. “We were super frustrated we couldn’t get the government to do more.”

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sagehen  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:29:31am

re: #110 ericblair

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I tend to agree with Josh, and am not being sarcastic. Why would he be a sucker and give up something for free that he could shake people down for?

The Blagojevich approach.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:32:01am

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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:33:38am

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:37:10am

Trump calling RBG’s granddaughter a liar. Just another day in Trumpland. Six more weeks of this shitgibbon.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:37:48am

re: #114 A Cranky One

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I’m glad he said psychopath and not sociopath because Trump is incapable of showing empathy.

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garzooma  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:39:29am

re: #25 Sherlock Hound

Pats fan here, but credit to Seattle; they’re a good team. No angst.

We’ll always have Malcolm Butler.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:41:07am

(via NPR) Young Americans favor Joe Biden over President Trump, according to a new survey, but Trump’s supporters appear more enthusiastic about that choice.

Sixty percent of likely voters under the age of 30 say they will vote for Biden, compared with 27% for Trump, according to a poll from the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics out Monday. But 56% of likely voters who support the president are “very enthusiastic” about voting for him, compared with 35% of likely voters who back the Democratic nominee when asked about their enthusiasm.

The survey didn’t ask if likely voters are enthusiastic about voting against a particular candidate.

As the coronavirus pandemic has upended all aspects of life, including the ways in which people participate in elections, the poll also found significant interest in voting among young Americans. Generation Z and millennial voters account for more than one-third of eligible voters this year.

Sixty-three percent of respondents said they will “definitely” be voting in November’s election. At the same time four years ago, slightly less than half (47%) of young Americans polled said they would definitely vote.

Gee, I can’t imagine why Biden voters wouldn’t be that enthusiastic except for that whole “Trump destroying the country in the middle of a Pandemic” thing…

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:42:01am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:43:06am

re: #115 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump calling RBG’s granddaughter a liar. Just another day in Trumpland. Six more weeks of this shitgibbon.

Then another 11 weeks until the inauguration.

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:43:14am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

(via NPR) Young Americans favor Joe Biden over President Trump, according to a new survey, but Trump’s supporters appear more enthusiastic about that choice.

Sixty percent of likely voters under the age of 30 say they will vote for Biden, compared with 27% for Trump, according to a poll from the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics out Monday. But 56% of likely voters who support the president are “very enthusiastic” about voting for him, compared with 35% of likely voters who back the Democratic nominee when asked about their enthusiasm.

The survey didn’t ask if likely voters are enthusiastic about voting against a particular candidate.

As the coronavirus pandemic has upended all aspects of life, including the ways in which people participate in elections, the poll also found significant interest in voting among young Americans. Generation Z and millennial voters account for more than one-third of eligible voters this year.

Sixty-three percent of respondents said they will “definitely” be voting in November’s election. At the same time four years ago, slightly less than half (47%) of young Americans polled said they would definitely vote.

Gee, I can’t imagine why Biden voters wouldn’t be that enthusiastic except for that whole “Trump destroying the country in the middle of a Pandemic” thing…

An unenthusiastic vote counts the same as an enthusiastic one

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:43:47am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

This is why Trump has to resort to drastic measures: he cannot vote on the level of voter apathy and indifference that allowed to squeak out an EC sin.

He has to create a complete clusterfuck of an election, enough of a completely unprecedented mess that he has grounds to challenge it in the courts and get it taken to his freshly-packed Supreme Court to rule in his favor.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:44:05am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

Forget it, Eclectic Cyborg, it’s NPR

Nothing but
Propaganda for
Republicans

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:44:29am

re: #123 🌹UOJB!

Forget it, Eclectic Cyborg, it’s NPR

Nothing but
Propaganda for
Republicans

LOL. I hadn’t heard that one before.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:44:35am

re: #120 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then another 11 weeks until the inauguration.

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:45:25am

re: #119 The Pie Overlord!

This is the Guardian’s obituary of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. It says RBG was brought up Jewish but “abandoned her religion.” That is something you’d write if - I’m being kind here - you don’t know anything about Jews and also don’t know anything about how to search on google dot com.

That’s RBG in the corner…

R.E.M. - Losing My Religion (Official Music Video)

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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:45:47am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

These ‘but moar enthusiasmz’ takes are tedious. There is no difference between a vote and an enthusiastic vote. Maybe if you have to risk death to vote…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:46:04am

re: #120 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Then another 11 weeks until the inauguration.

THIS. Who the fuck knows what Trump will do during his lame duck period?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:46:36am

re: #121 dangerman

An unenthusiastic vote counts the same as an enthusiastic one

Enthusiasm is such a stupid metric. If anything the over-enthusiasm Trumpers have for him is extremely offputting. Biden not selling himself as a savior is frankly refreshing. I’m voting for a President not a savior. Someone I expect will make mistakes but someone I trust.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:46:53am

re: #121 dangerman

An unenthusiastic vote counts the same as an enthusiastic one

Doesn’t note that with only 27% support, Trump is only getting hard core Republicans, while at 60% Biden is getting independents, so of course Trump’s support is “enthusiastic.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:47:14am

re: #127 BigPapa

These ‘but moar enthusiasmz’ takes are tedious. There is no difference between a vote and an enthusiastic vote. Maybe if you have to risk death to vote…

It’s incredibly stupid. It’s also shooting the shy Trump voter bs in the foot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:47:33am

re: #127 BigPapa

These ‘but moar enthusiasmz’ takes are tedious. There is no difference between a vote and an enthusiastic vote. Maybe if you have to risk death to vote…

I just find the framing amusing. Trump supporters are basically like a cult these days so it’s basically the same as saying “Christians are more enthusiastic about Jesus than Jews are.”

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dangerman  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:47:47am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is why Trump has to resort to drastic measures: he cannot vote on the level of voter apathy and indifference that allowed to squeak out an EC sin.

He has to create a complete clusterfuck of an election, enough of a completely unprecedented mess that he has grounds to challenge it in the courts and get it taken to his freshly-packed Supreme Court to rule in his favor.

too many D states prepared and ready for this.
their management of the elections will go off just fine. well within the bounds of reasonable.

let the r’s sue all they want
there must be substantial, concrete proof.
they will have nothing

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:47:49am

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. Who the fuck knows what Trump will do during his lame duck period?

He’s going to go the full Nero and burn everything down as Kid Rock and Ted Nugent strum their strings at the White House.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:50:14am

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. Who the fuck knows what Trump will do during his lame duck period?

Negotiate his exit strategy with Vlad?

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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:51:54am

re: #132 Eclectic Cyborg

I just find the framing amusing. Trump supporters are basically like a cult these days so it’s basically the same as saying “Christians are more enthusiastic about Jesus than Jews are.”

LOL I was thinking that too. ‘Well, they’re in a fucking cult. Everything they do is insanely enthusiastic.’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:54:54am

re: #136 BigPapa

LOL I was thinking that too. ‘Well, they’re in a fucking cult. Everything they do is insanely enthusiastic.’

Seriously my Trump loving cousins post their devotion to dear leader every day on Facebook. It’s extremely off-putting. I don’t need or feel I need to do that for Biden, Warner, & our Dems here.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:54:59am

The Tyson Group, whoever they are, released good polls in the South today. Biden up 4 in Texas, down only 4 in Bama, and down only 6 in Louisiana.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:55:03am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:55:29am

re: #128 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS. Who the fuck knows what Trump will do during his lame duck period?

My opinion is that’s when Trump will be at his most dangerous. He would have absolutely nothing to lose at that point.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:56:28am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:58:48am

Whose hair is more fake…Trump’s or Wayne Cochran’s?

Wayne Cochran - Goin Back To Miami (Swingin’ Time - Sep 10, 1966)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 7:59:24am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

My opinion is that’s when Trump will be at his most dangerous. He would have absolutely nothing to lose at that point.

Might be almost worth it to offer him full immunity to federal and state charges if he and Pence resigned immediately and let Pelosi serve as a caretaker President until January 20 so that we have a functioning government addressing the pandemic.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:00:10am

re: #141 lawhawk

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In a fair world, this would be the equivalent moment of ‘definition of is’. But no, Trump gets away with it because IOKIYAR is law and gospel in this country.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:01:10am

re: #143 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Might be almost worth it to offer him full immunity to federal and state charges if he and Pence resigned immediately and let Pelosi serve as a caretaker President until January 20 so that we have a functioning government addressing the pandemic.

No. It’s just wrong to let trump off. He will never agree. He also thinks he can beat the system.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:02:48am

re: #138 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The Tyson Group, whoever they are, released good polls in the South today. Biden up 4 in Texas, down only 4 in Bama, and down only 6 in Louisiana.

Texas is winnable. I believe it. It will be tight but it’s winnable.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:03:04am

re: #143 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Might be almost worth it to offer him full immunity to federal and state charges if he and Pence resigned immediately and let Pelosi serve as a caretaker President until January 20 so that we have a functioning government addressing the pandemic.

Goddammitall. I really want to argue and say fuck that but 200,000 dead and likely double that by election day.

Fuck. Fuckety. Fuck.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:03:28am

re: #80 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:03:46am

re: #141 lawhawk

I’m old enough to remeber when the right perpetually fainted when Bill Clinton asked ‘define what the term is means.’

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:05:27am

re: #149 BigPapa

I’m old enough to remeber when the right perpetually fainted when Bill Clinton asked ‘define what the term is means.’

Conservatives did the James Brown Mock Faint every time Bill opened his mouth.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:06:04am

re: #149 BigPapa

I’m old enough to remeber when the right perpetually fainted when Bill Clinton asked ‘define what the term is means.’

Trump’s entire worldview is skewed by whatever he thinks benefits him personally. He constantly lies and obfuscates and ignores facts and reality, all to benefit him personally.

This isn’t just a definition issue. It’s a sociopathy issue. Trump is a sociopath whose actions have killed over 200,000 Americans and counting. He takes zero responsibility all while claiming he’s done a great job handling the pandemic.

Nothing about his response has been great. He’s failed at every step, and he purposefully lied to misinform and undermine the response by states when they needed guidance and help the most.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:06:21am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

To a Trump supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?
To a Biden supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?

Conclusion: Trump supporters are enthusiastic, while Biden’s aren’t.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:07:19am

re: #152 Belafon

To a Trump supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?
To a Biden supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?

Conclusion: Trump supporters are enthusiastic, while Biden’s aren’t.

Nothing will stop the useless DC Press Corpse from kissing Republican ass.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:08:06am

re: #145 I Would Prefer Not To

No. It’s just wrong to let trump off. He will never agree. He also thinks he can beat the system.

Just a hypothetical. A lot of people are going to die between now and January 20 because the federal government is rudderless.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:08:17am

re: #149 BigPapa

I’m old enough to remeber when the right perpetually fainted when Bill Clinton asked ‘define what the term is means.’

I remember the right’s fainting couch of bullshit about Bill’s sex life coming from people like Newt, Hasert, & Bob Livingston. And somehow Newt who cheated on a sick wife wasn’t the most amoral of those three. Says a lot that the least offensive Republican Congressional leader of the last 25 years is Boehner.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:09:23am

Beta is off the coast of Texas where it is supposed to stay for a day or so:

Image: radarloop.gif

Radar shows how the storms rotate in vortices around the poorly defined eye.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:10:49am

re: #152 Belafon

To a Trump supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?
To a Biden supporter: Are you enthusiastic about allowing Trump to continue what he’s doing?

Conclusion: Trump supporters are enthusiastic, while Biden’s aren’t.

If they don’t ask if the voter is enthusiastic about voting against Trump or Biden, the poll is just creating a bullshit talking point.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:10:55am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

My opinion is that’s when Trump will be at his most dangerous. He would have absolutely nothing to lose at that point.

It’s time for a Captain America moment for government employees: The new administration will be coming in, so are you going to fight to keep America together or allow Trump to tear it apart? (Thinking of his speech near the end of Winter Soldier.)

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:10:58am

re: #155 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I remember the right’s fainting couch of bullshit about Bill’s sex life coming from people like Newt, Hasert, & Bob Livingston. And somehow Newt who cheated on a sick wife wasn’t the most amoral of those three. Says a lot that the least offensive Republican Congressional leader of the last 25 years is Boehner.

Just remember the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse who led the charge for the impeachment of the EVIL CLEENIS—Tweety Matthews, Tim Russert, Maureen Dowd and Michael Kelly. Each one of them made more outrageous statements about THE EVIL CLEENIS as Bob Somerby details in his Daily Howler archives.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:11:22am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:13:15am

re: #154 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Just a hypothetical. A lot of people are going to die between now and January 20 because the federal government is rudderless.

I also don’t believe that terms could not be negotiated quickly. The devil is in the details. And every state that has some agency would have to sign off. And who has authority to make such a deal. Not sure there is any legal basis.

Going easy on trump is never the right move. he sees it as weakness and takes advantage.

He can resign and hope for the best.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:14:33am

re: #146 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Texas is winnable. I believe it. It will be tight but it’s winnable.

And Biden is swimming in cash, so he can play there without shortchanging tipping point states, especially with Bloomberg committing $100 million to Florida.

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:16:42am

I guess I’m Anarchist Jurisdiction-adjace….

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:18:48am

re: #161 I Would Prefer Not To

I also don’t believe that terms could not be negotiated quickly. The devil is in the details. And every state that has some agency would have to sign off. And who has authority to make such a deal. Not sure there is any legal basis.

Going easy on trump is never the right move. he sees it as weakness and takes advantage.

He can resign and hope for the best.

I fully realize the improbability. Its a hypothetical moral debating choice, like the tram scenario where you have to decide whether to switch lines to save a lot of people, but someone else would die instead. A lot of people are going to die because Trump will remain in office for 11 weeks after the election.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:19:33am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:20:59am

Meanwhile my sister posts endlessly from Fox News about how New York and Portland are war zones…

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:22:41am
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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:24:38am

Ah, I see The Fat Fuck added Seattle to the mix!

Justice Dept. deems New York City, Portland and Seattle ‘anarchist jurisdictions’

nbcnews.com

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:26:17am

re: #168 🌹UOJB!

Ah, I see The Fat Fuck added Seattle to the mix!

Justice Dept. deems New York City, Portland and Seattle ‘anarchist jurisdictions’

nbcnews.com

Yep, because those Portland and New York PDs have been so notoriously cowed and overrun, too afraid to do anything about the anarchist takeovers of their city.

Jesus fucking christ we’re in the upside-down.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:26:40am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:27:36am

re: #164 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I fully realize the improbability. Its a hypothetical moral debating choice, like the tram scenario where you have to decide whether to switch lines to save a lot of people, but someone else would die instead. A lot of people are going to die because Trump will remain in office for 11 weeks after the election.

I hear you. People are going to die. But the events have been set in motion. The day after the election his supporters are not going to wake up and say “trump was a fucking idiot, I should wear a mask.”

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:28:17am

re: #167 jaunte

She’s not completely unknown. She had made a name for herself during her House run in 2018. But she’s definitely I think worth throwing money at if Democrats are going to be able to spend a lot of money.

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lawhawk  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:28:19am
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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:29:41am

re: #166 🌹UOJB!

Meanwhile my sister posts endlessly from Fox News about how New York and Portland are war zones…

Dude, I got guys who live within 5 miles from me, about an hour out from the city, that swear to me that the buildings in NYC have been burning non-stop since June.

I don’t even know how to respond at this point. They’re just scared to death of shit nowadays. I told them they could go into the city and check it out for themselves, but they’re like ‘I’m not going in there.’

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:31:21am

re: #173 lawhawk

If Barr thinks NYC has been overrun by anarchists, isn’t he insulting the work of 36,000 NYPD officers?

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:31:42am

re: #174 makeitstop

Dude, I got guys who live within 5 miles from me, about an hour out from the city, that swear to me that the buildings in NYC have been burning non-stop since June.

I don’t even know how to respond at this point. They’re just scared to death of shit nowadays. I told them they could go into the city and check it out for themselves, but they’re like ‘I’m not going in there.’

Fox News has successfully created an alternate reality that may as well supersede actual reality from how much those who inhabit that reality actually control fucking everything at this point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:35:16am

re: #168 🌹UOJB!

Ah, I see The Fat Fuck added Seattle to the mix!

Justice Dept. deems New York City, Portland and Seattle ‘anarchist jurisdictions’

nbcnews.com

I’m really surprised Chicago hasn’t been targeted yet.

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🌹UOJB!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:36:03am

re: #176 Citizen K

Fox News has successfully created an alternate reality that may as well supersede actual reality from how much those who inhabit that reality actually control fucking everything at this point.

Yes—the alternate reality that brainwashes my relatives into thinking I live in a Muslim “no-go zone”…

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makeitstop  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:36:12am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m really surprised Chicago hasn’t been targeted yet.

They’ll be the headliner in Round 2.

//

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:36:44am

re: #160 jaunte

Just declared my home workspace an anarchist jurisdiction.

Isn’t everybody’s?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:37:36am

re: #172 Belafon

She’s not completely unknown. She had made a name for herself during her House run in 2018. But she’s definitely I think worth throwing money at if Democrats are going to be able to spend a lot of money.

Coryn is polling well short of 50%. With Biden neck and neck with Trump in Texas, this is a winnable race. Which is why I made a small donation to Hegar yesterday.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:37:39am

re: #180 Jay C

Got to officially declare it on the 15 page Anarchist Home Office form.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:39:49am

re: #180 Jay C

Isn’t everybody’s?

Mine’s a patriarchy until she gets back on Sunday.

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BigPapa  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:42:25am

If you fill our Form 1789 from the IRS you get to take the Anarchist Deduction: supporting a society crushed under oppressive oligarchy.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:43:32am

re: #109 Teukka

Let me guess: Heart attack brought on by oxygen hunger the patient didn’t notice?

Maybe, but a paper referenced in the comments Linkalso lists the possible effects of drugs they’re using to treat covid-19, so as usual, we don’t have enough data yet to say for sure.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:50:14am

re: #185 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Maybe, but a paper referenced in the comments Linkalso lists the possible effects of drugs they’re using to treat covid-19, so as usual, we don’t have enough data yet to say for sure.

Another thing is I am confident given the current state of U.S. healthcare, that there are no small number of people out there that have underlying conditions and DON’T KNOW ABOUT THEM. Not everyone can easily afford to go to a doctor and get regular checkups.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:54:23am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

All this stuff about enthusiasm is irritating. I don’t vote because I’m hyped up by the last rah-rah message I just heard, and the “enthusiastic” voter stops being one as soon as the high wears off. Give me the voters with staying power.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:56:40am

re: #187 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

All this stuff about enthusiasm is irritating. I don’t vote because I’m hyped up by the last rah-rah message I just heard, and the “enthusiastic” voter stops being one as soon as the high wears off. Give me the voters with staying power.

I was very unenthusiastic, almost morose, last week when I voted for Biden, Harris, and Doug Jones.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:56:48am

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL. I hadn’t heard that one before.

You’re aware that it’s bullshit, I hope.

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Interesting Times  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:57:37am

Screw “enthusiasm” - I want to see a poll that measures steely, determined rage.

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calochortus  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:58:19am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

I was very unenthusiastic, almost morose, last week when I voted for Biden, Harris, and Doug Jones.

I guess your vote doesn’t count as much then.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 8:58:48am

re: #130 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Doesn’t note that with only 27% support, Trump is only getting hard core Republicans, while at 60% Biden is getting independents, so of course Trump’s support is “enthusiastic.”

I’m thinking it might be the only way to keep the horse race analogy going. Or dems are planting the stories to lull repugs into a false feeling of security.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:01:20am

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

My opinion is that’s when Trump will be at his most dangerous. He would have absolutely nothing to lose at that point.

My opinion is that we don’t know. He might spend the time sulking on his golf courses and refuse to do anything at all.

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:01:26am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

I was very unenthusiastic, almost morose, last week when I voted for Biden, Harris, and Doug Jones.

I don’t recall my ballot having the option to vote all enthusiastic or all unenthusiastic. Voted last Wednesday.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:03:03am

re: #193 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

My opinion is that we don’t know. He might spend the time sulking on his golf courses and refuse to do anything at all.

For all we know, it might be the best time for Putin to invade Alaska.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:03:30am

re: #189 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

You’re aware that it’s bullshit, I hope.

Yes, indeed.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:06:55am

re: #173 lawhawk

WTAF is an anarchist jurisdiction? Has deBlasio changed parties? Or do they maybe mean anarchic?

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:07:37am

There is seemingly no depth the GOP could go that would ever delegitimize them even temporarily, because the only other option would be to accept that Dems deserve to wield power as well, and almost all of our great brilliant minds of civility and decorum have already decided that Dems are constant usurpers who are the root cause of every single political ill ever.

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Interesting Times  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:09:21am

Ha:

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:12:09am

re: #195 Belafon

For all we know, it might be the best time for Putin to invade Alaska.

Except winter. And covid-19 running wild among Russian troops (if it isn’t already, it would happen as soon as masses of them started operations together).

Mainly winter.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:15:02am

re: #200 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Except winter. And covid-19 running wild among Russian troops (if it isn’t already, it would happen as soon as masses of them started operations together).

Mainly winter.

And since when has “winter” stopped Russian troops from doing anything?
Napoleon might proffer a dissenting opinion….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:15:07am

As seen over in the comments section at Naked Capitalism:

3 U.S. Code § 2. Failure to make choice on prescribed day

Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 644, 62 Stat. 672.)

Oddly, or not, the legislatures in AZ, MI, PA, TX and WI are gerrymandered GOP dictatorships.

This is how Trump will probably win if things spiral out of control.

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CarolJ  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:18:03am

re: #195 Belafon

A condition to be heartily welcomed. We would do better on autopilot. Let everybody go on vacation or empty their desks then.

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CarolJ  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:19:45am

re: #201 Jay C

Napoleon didn’t have to worry about Covid. And for a long time armies for various reasons stopped offensive stuff in winter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:20:04am

re: #202 Eric The Fruit Bat

As seen over in the comments section at Naked Capitalism:

This is how Trump will probably win if things spiral out of control.

Which means he is going to help engineer the biggest electoral clusterfuck we have ever seen in history.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:20:40am

re: #197 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

WTAF is an anarchist jurisdiction? Has deBlasio changed parties? Or do they maybe mean anarchic?

Noun.

1. Any area with a large population of people who don’t vote Republican.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:21:30am

re: #201 Jay C

And since when has “winter” stopped Russian troops from doing anything?
Napoleon might proffer a dissenting opinion….

You’re not considering the difference between attack and defense.

(Napoleon failed to supply his troops properly and still got all the way to Moscow, by the way. Hitler did the same — although he also failed to take proper account of that little operation to the west of him.)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:21:34am

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which means he is going to help engineer the biggest electoral clusterfuck we have ever seen in history.

Probably.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:22:27am

re: #202 Eric The Fruit Bat

As seen over in the comments section at Naked Capitalism:

This is how Trump will probably win if things spiral out of control.

That will only work if the states are close. And Biden isn’t counting on AZ or TX.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:22:32am

No, Donnie, actually the truth is: “When you have the Senate, you can do what you want so long as all the Senators in your party are spineless shitheels that let you get away with it.”

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:23:53am

re: #206 Eclectic Cyborg

Noun.

1. Any area with a large population of people who don’t vote Republican.

Forgot to use the “rhetorical question” mark again. I forget how many of us don’t know what they are.

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William Lewis  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:24:06am

I have voted!

Got my ballot in mail, filled it out straight Democratic Party and just now dropped it off at the city clerk’s office.

Now to get everyone else out to vote.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:24:47am

re: #211 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Forgot to use the “rhetorical question” mark again. I forget how many of us don’t know what they are.

No worries. I know you weren’t actually looking for an answer. I was just playing along.

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:25:44am

re: #178 🌹UOJB!

Yes—the alternate reality that brainwashes my relatives into thinking I live in a Muslim “no-go zone”…

LOL I was driving through Detroit to my job in Dearborn every day while wingnutters insisted that both locations were lawless “No Go Zones”

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Ferdinand  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:29:55am

Well the fuckery just never stops. New headline at TPM: BREAKING: CDC Abruptly Nixes Acknowledgement Of Key COVID Transmission Method.

Someone posted here earlier this morning the unexpected clear guidance published this morning on cdc.gov about airborne transmission of COVID-19, and how finally now institutions can plan accordingly. I opened the link in a new tab, thankfully, and was able to screenshot the whole thing. I refreshed the page and yep, the new information is gone and this updated header has been added:

A draft version of proposed changes to these recommendations was posted in error to the agency’s official website. CDC is currently updating its recommendations regarding airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19). Once this process has been completed, the update language will be posted.

cdc.gov

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:30:25am

re: #214 The Pie Overlord!

LOL I was driving through Detroit to my job in Dearborn every day while wingnutters insisted that both locations were lawless “No Go Zones”

I guess Berlin and Cologne also have them as well, according to my RW American friends.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:30:40am

re: #209 Belafon

That will only work if the states are close. And Biden isn’t counting on AZ or TX.

The “election to choose the electors” is their general election. The state courts would have to invalidate the whole thing — not declare a winner — for that clause to operate.

Some of our fellow lizards just love to fantasize about disasters. I prefer the SMOD or “black hole passing nearby” for imagined catastrophes.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:32:21am

I guess Fat Donny’s latest is the RBG’s last request is a “Democrat Forgery”.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:32:53am

re: #212 William Lewis

I have voted!

Got my ballot in mail, filled it out straight Democratic Party and just now dropped it off at the city clerk’s office.

Now to get everyone else out to vote.

Mine hasn’t come yet. When it does, the designated ballot box is a ten-minute walk away. It’s nice to live in a state that tries to run things well.

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:34:36am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

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No, Donnie, actually the truth is: “When you have the Senate, you can do what you want so long as all the Senators in your party are spineless shitheels that let you get away with it.”

Compare and contrast:

Trump, on Fox: “When you have the Senate, you can do what you want.”

Trump on Access Hollywood: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything

So I guess we could say he’s grabbing our country by the…

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:36:00am

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

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Let’s be fair here — this is a case where Trump is basically right. Bolton isn’t stupid but he would have had us in several major wars if he had his way.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:36:25am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I guess Berlin and Cologne also have them as well, according to my RW American friends.

I lived in one. Kreuzberg district of Berlin.

And never once did I have a problem. Funny, that.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:38:23am

re: #215 Ferdinand

We’ll have to see the final version before we can say definitively that something sinister is going on. Not that I blame them for being suspicious.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:41:17am

re: #220 BeachDem

Compare and contrast:

Trump, on Fox: “When you have the Senate, you can do what you want.”

Trump on Access Hollywood: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything

So I guess we could say he’s grabbing our country by the…

…stimulus?

//

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:42:18am

The GOP is sending out “scare mail” to our quiet little suburban neighborhood.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:43:36am

re: #82 dangerman

it’s this kind of thinking that demonstrates (proves?) that the court was delegitimized long ago.

everyone sees the court as a way to ‘get what we want’.

no one sees it as party in the constitutional tug of checks and balances, or a means of justice.

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We’ve been spoiled by some of the great decisions of the last 70 years. The court has always been political and has frequently supported evil: the Dred Scott decision, Plessy v Ferguson, 1927 Buck v. Bell on sterilization, 1944 Korematsu v. U.S. on Japanese internment. This court has been heading in the wrong direction every since Scalia joined. There were some good decisions — but they have been overwhelmed by many terrible ones under Roberts.

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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:44:57am
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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:45:25am
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jaunte  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:49:15am

Amity Island mayor urges townspeople to “get back in the water, you cowards.”

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:49:25am

re: #202 Eric The Fruit Bat

Of course, Section 5 gives the states more time to make the final determination.

If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

So, basically, the states have until December 8 to determine who their electors are.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:49:53am

re: #97 lawhawk

Herd immunity would require at least 50% catching this, if not 70%.

In a US population of 330 million, that means 165 million cases (at 50%). If there’s a 1% case death rate, you’re looking at… 1.65 million deaths.

Only problem. US case fatality rate is 2.9%, which means you’re looking at 4.79 million deaths.

F to the T, the GOP, and mendacious media that enables both.

We do not know the true CFR because most mild or asymptomatic cases have never been officially diagnosed. Although this was more true at the beginning when testing was very limited, even now such people aren’t getting tests. There is a strong likelihood that the CFR is 1% or even as low as .5%.

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BeachDem  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:54:32am

Well this sucks (but is not surprising)

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:55:13am

re: #231 Hecuba’s daughter

We do not know the true CFR because most mild or asymptomatic cases have never been officially diagnosed. Although this was more true at the beginning when testing was very limited, even now such people aren’t getting tests. There is a strong likelihood that the CFR is 1% or even as low as .5%.

at 70% and 1% death rates, you’re still looking at about 2.5 million people. And that doesn’t consider the downstream effects. How many people end up with new pre-existing conditions related to the virus? How many people who need treatment for other ailments can’t get them because hospitals are overrun? How many people end up unemployed/homeless because the epidemic kills the economy, and as a result end up in a bad state of health?

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A Cranky One  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:58:06am

re: #203 CarolJ

A condition to be heartily welcomed. We would do better on autopilot. Let everybody go on vacation or empty their desks then.

Rump’s narcistic injury and his vindictive and evil nature will cause him to lash out and try to hurt anyone he feels is responsible.

That will include people in his own administration as well as democrats.

And he would incite his base to more violence.

Shit could get really ugly.

But we persevere.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 9:58:24am

New poll has Espy down only 1 point in Mississippi, putting that Senate seat in play, so I just tossed him a few bucks as well. If we have massive turnout, there could be some major upsets, and the Democrats could win a decent sized Senate majority.

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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:00:37am

re: #227 jaunte

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I feel like the news the other day about Azar may, just may, be relevant here.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:03:53am

Not enough people understand the philosophical differences between “law and order” and “rule of law.”

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:04:21am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

New poll has Espy down only 1 point in Mississippi, putting that Senate seat in play, so I just tossed him a few bucks as well. If we have massive turnout, there could be some major upsets, and the Democrats could win a decent sized Senate majority.

There was a story yesterday that said Espy has received more campaign donations than any other candidate in Mississippi history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:06:11am

re: #237 Barefoot Grin

Not enough people understand the philosophical differences between “law and order” and “rule of law.”

“law and order” is a catchphrase that means police should be exempt from consequences of over-applying force in the name of “law enforcement”

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:06:28am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

New poll has Espy down only 1 point in Mississippi, putting that Senate seat in play, so I just tossed him a few bucks as well. If we have massive turnout, there could be some major upsets, and the Democrats could win a decent sized Senate majority.

Agree with your last bit, but (regretfully) I don’t think MS is really much of a play. Doesn’t hurt to make the GOP struggle for every state in any case: though I’d think IA, MT, and NC are way better chances for a pickup.
Slightly longer shot: KS and AK

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:06:42am
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Citizen K  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:10:09am

It is infinitely distressing and depressing just how many people are on Berenson’s side on this, including a frightening number of people with actual power such as…well…the folks apparently running the CDC and the like from what seems to be happening lately.

These motherfuckers are going to get us all killed because they want to actively replace actual expertise with their bullshit just for fucking ego reasons.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:13:26am

re: #240 Jay C

Agree with your last bit, but (regretfully) I don’t think MS is really much of a play. Doesn’t hurt to make the GOP struggle for every state in any case: though I’d think IA, MT, and NC are way better chances for a pickup.
Slightly longer shot: KS and AK

I still think Espy is a long shot, but he’s an inexpensive long shot. Buying media in Jackson, Biloxi and Tupelo isn’t very expensive, and there’s been so little polling that we really don’t know WHAT that race looks like.

In some ways, I feel like a dollar there is a better investment than in, say, Texas, which is probably THE most expensive state for media buys per capita, since it has four big markets plus close to a dozen smaller ones and you need to buy them all to make a dent.

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Belafon  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:14:39am

re: #242 Citizen K

We’re having a pandemic, and we’re also having 240K+ more people die than we would in any normal year, but the events are not related. //

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ericblair  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:14:51am

re: #212 William Lewis

I have voted!

Got my ballot in mail, filled it out straight Democratic Party and just now dropped it off at the city clerk’s office.

Now to get everyone else out to vote.

I voted absentee on Thursday from Western Europe. It’s now in the military mail system; let’s see how long this takes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:14:54am

re: #240 Jay C

Agree with your last bit, but (regretfully) I don’t think MS is really much of a play.

Espy is running to unseat Cindy Hyde-Smith, who is not exactly beloved in these parts. While Mississippi does reliably vote GOP most of the time, that’s not always the case. We did have a Democratic governor in the not too distant past.

Also, this state has a large black population that fucking hates Trump and Espy is African American. This state has never elected a black person to U.S. senate.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:16:03am

re: #245 ericblair

I voted absentee on Thursday from Western Europe. It’s now in the military mail system; let’s see how long this takes.

I should be getting my absentee ballot soon as well. Probably in the next week or so.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:17:23am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“law and order” is a catchphrase that means police should be exempt from consequences of over-applying force in the name of “law enforcement”

And that’s why Trump says it constantly, particularly about tiny areas in large cities that have had protests.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:18:52am

re: #227 jaunte

BREAKING: The CDC now pulls down language saying COVID aerisolizes.

It’s reasonable to wonder who is calling the shots at the CDC and what the scientists actually think.

Actually, we already know that this is controversial among the people qualified to have an opinion. I have to view what CDC posts more skeptically these days, but this could also reflect a legitimate dispute.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:20:36am

re: #233 KGxvi

at 70% and 1% death rates, you’re still looking at about 2.5 million people. And that doesn’t consider the downstream effects. How many people end up with new pre-existing conditions related to the virus? How many people who need treatment for other ailments can’t get them because hospitals are overrun? How many people end up unemployed/homeless because the epidemic kills the economy, and as a result end up in a bad state of health?

I’m not suggesting that this is not a catastrophe, both economically and in terms of physical well-being or that there are not terrible long-term health consequences for the disease, only that we don’t really know the CFR because we have no good estimate for the number of those who actually have had the disease and there is also a problem with the number of deaths, since especially at the beginning of the pandemic, many were attributed to other causes. OTOH, some may have died later when they supposedly “recovered” from damage inflicted by the disease— are those all getting classified properly as due to Covid?

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:26:17am

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not suggesting that this is not a catastrophe, both economically and in terms of physical well-being or that there are not terrible long-term health consequences for the disease, only that we don’t really know the CFR because we have no good estimate for the number of those who actually have had the disease and there is also a problem with the number of deaths, since especially at the beginning of the pandemic, many were attributed to other causes. OTOH, some may have died later when they supposedly “recovered” from damage inflicted by the disease— are those all getting classified properly as due to Covid?

All fair points.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:27:41am

re: #240 Jay C

Agree with your last bit, but (regretfully) I don’t think MS is really much of a play. Doesn’t hurt to make the GOP struggle for every state in any case: though I’d think IA, MT, and NC are way better chances for a pickup.
Slightly longer shot: KS and AK

I agree, so I donated to all of them with half a chance. I’d love to see 54-55 Democrats in the Senate, and with 13 seats in play, its possible.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:27:58am

re: #240 Jay C

Agree with your last bit, but (regretfully) I don’t think MS is really much of a play. Doesn’t hurt to make the GOP struggle for every state in any case: though I’d think IA, MT, and NC are way better chances for a pickup.
Slightly longer shot: KS and AK

Every dollar the GOP has to spend in Mississippi, Alaska (which might actually be closer than most people realize), or Kansas is one dollar they can’t send in North (or South) Carolina, Iowa, Montana, Texas, etc.

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Jay C  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:29:26am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Espy is running to unseat Cindy Hyde-Smith, who is not exactly beloved in these parts. While Mississippi does reliably vote GOP most of the time, that’s not always the case. We did have a Democratic governor in the not too distant past.

Also, this state has a large black population that fucking hates Trump and Espy is African American. This state has never elected a black person to U.S. Senate.

Technically, incorrect.
(Jeff Davis’s old seat, just for irony)

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:30:29am

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not suggesting that this is not a catastrophe, both economically and in terms of physical well-being or that there are not terrible long-term health consequences for the disease, only that we don’t really know the CFR because we have no good estimate for the number of those who actually have had the disease and there is also a problem with the number of deaths, since especially at the beginning of the pandemic, many were attributed to other causes. OTOH, some may have died later when they supposedly “recovered” from damage inflicted by the disease— are those all getting classified properly as due to Covid?

And (back to the Diamond Princess) we don’t know how many people exposed are actually going to get it, another important factor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:30:39am

Five of the top twelve Covid hotspots in the world right now are in South America. Mexico is also high on the list.

Looks like we’ll hit a million dead pretty soon.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:31:17am

re: #254 Jay C

When did we stop making Hirams?

California had a Hiram Johnson that served as governor then as Senator in the early 20th century, a progressive Republican, when those things existed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:31:31am

re: #254 Jay C

Technically, incorrect.
(Jeff Davis’s old seat, just for irony)

Welp. That’s what I get for trusting that article (NOT from Wikipedia) that I read about Espy.

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KGxvi  Sep 21, 2020 • 10:33:02am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Welp. That’s what I get for trusting that article (NOT from Wikipedia) that I read about Espy.

Actually, saying elected is fair, Revels was a senator before direct election. So he was elected/appointed by the legislature.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 21, 2020 • 11:10:40am

re: #225 The Pie Overlord!

Yard sign designed by me and a friend, here in the Philly suburbs.
Sign has made its way to Bucks County PA, southern New Jersey, central PA and North Carolina so far.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 21, 2020 • 12:34:25pm

re: #121 dangerman

An unenthusiastic vote counts the same as an enthusiastic one

I’m probably wrong, but I thought “enthusiasm” in these things is a measure of how many of whatever group are expected to actually show up and vote.


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