What Republicans Say When They Think Nobody’s Listening: Videos Show Closed-Door Sessions: ‘Be Not Afraid of the Accusations That You’re a Voter Suppressor’

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Of course they talk openly about suppressing votes when they think they’re behind closed doors: Videos show closed-door sessions of leading conservative activists: ‘Be not afraid of the accusations that you’re a voter suppressor’.

Videos provided to The Post — covering dozens of hours of CNP meetings over three days in February and three in August — offer an inside view of participants’ obsessions and fears at a pivotal moment in the conservative movement. The videos, recorded by CNP to share with its members, show influential activists discussing election tactics, amplifying conspiracy theories and describing much of America in dark and apocalyptic terms.

Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, told attendees that same day (August 21) that the left is “war-gaming” a plan to delay the election tally until Jan. 20, 2021, and enable House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to become acting president. “This is kind of like crazy talk” among political people, Fitton said. But he added: “This is not an insignificant concern.”

Expressing concern about voter fraud and disenfranchisement, Fitton called on the audience to find a way to prevent mail-in ballots from being sent to voters. “We need to stop those ballots from going out, and I want the lawyers here to tell us what to do,” said Fitton, whose organization is a tax-exempt charity. “But this is a crisis that we’re not prepared for. I mean, our side is not prepared for.”

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Brent Bozell, a CNP executive committee member and founder of the Media Research Center, another tax-exempt charity, told attendees at one of the August sessions that he believes the left plans to “steal this election.”

“And if they get away with that, what happens?” he said. “Democracy is finished because they usher in totalitarianism.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:49:15am

JFC

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:49:35am

When the going gets tough, the tough Get Out The Vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:53:05am
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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:55:56am

Clarence Thomas’ surprise
Judd Legum

Section 230 has two critical provisions. First, “[n]o provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.” In other words, if someone posts something defamatory on Twitter, the courts won’t view Twitter as the entity that spoke or published the content. Second, an “interactive computer service” will not be held liable for “any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.” This means that YouTube, for example, won’t be held liable if it makes good faith efforts to moderate its service.

But have the courts interpreted Section 230 correctly? On Tuesday, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas issued an unusual 10-page opinion arguing the courts have gotten Section 230 wrong. Thomas argues that the courts are giving tech companies like Facebook and Google more legal protection than they are entitled to under the law.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:58:51am

If Biden wins he needs to appoint the most vindictive SOB he can find to be AG.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:59:42am
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danarchy  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:59:46am

re: #5 b.d. (Enough!)

If Biden wins he needs to appoint the most vindictive SOB he can find to be AG.

I heard a rumor he was thinking of Cuomo for AG

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 10:59:47am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:00:02am

re: #5 b.d. (Enough!)

If Biden wins he needs to appoint the most vindictive SOB he can find to be AG.

Doug Jones is not vindictive. He is thorough. And very, very, persistent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:00:59am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

I could remember four off the top of my head and I’m not a lawyer. The “petition for redress” was the one I missed.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:01:44am

Cuomo and NYS landing hard on venues that violate COVID protocols.

Promoters of Controversial Chainsmokers Concert Fined $20,000

Suffolk Business Fined ($12,000) After Hosting Party Leading To Cluster

The Chainsmokers show referenced above led to re-tightening of restrictions on live venues this summer.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:02:17am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are you shitting me? I knew this in 6th grade FFS. You know, I am just fed the fuck up with inept, ignorant, wouldn’t know what a real day’s work was if it bit them on the ass, no talent assholes not even have to try all that hard and get rewarded over and over for being awful, and certainly being paid “more than they are worth”. Meanwhile, good, hard working people who are struggling to get by can’t even get paid for working hard, not just with wages, but with the shot at being upwardly mobile and working their way to the middle, getting some sort of retirement together, having decent healthcare, etc. I want to punch people in the head over not getting this

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:02:44am

Can someone Photoshop this menu-for-illiterates from The Handmaid’s Tale onto ACB’s blank note paper? I downloaded it but then remembered I still haven’t installed Adobe on my new computer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:05:52am
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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:09:46am
“…In February, during three days of meetings in Southern California, a CNP member named Rachel Bovard described the Conservative Action Project’s influence in helping the Trump administration select political appointees for the executive branch. She said the Conservative Action Project coordinated closely on these and other efforts with CNP members and the Conservative Partnership Institute, a tax-exempt charity run by former senator and tea party leader Jim DeMint of South Carolina.

“We work very closely — CAP does and then we at CPI also — with the Office of Presidential Personnel at the White House to try and get good conservatives in the positions because we see what happens when we don’t vet these people,” she said.

Bovard cited as examples two figures who testified against Trump last year in the House impeachment hearings: Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, former director for European affairs at the National Security Council, and Marie Yovanovitch, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

“All these people that led the impeachment against President Trump shouldn’t have been there in the first place,” Bovard told the CNP audience. “We want to prevent that from happening.”

They want to make sure they get people who wont tell the truth.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:11:01am

Conservative Action: searching out and destroying ethics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:11:10am
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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:12:27am

Jim retweeted me. Preach it, Jim!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:14:38am
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BeachDem  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:15:54am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Maybe they should use the list for the next yam cognitive test.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:16:35am

re: #6 jaunte

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Vindictive people get bored and move on — I prefer a cold futy.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:18:51am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Considering she debates whether the constitution is constitutional, I was never going to be surprised at this.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:21:01am
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:21:34am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

I could remember four off the top of my head and I’m not a lawyer. The “petition for redress” was the one I missed.

I remembered it, but I thought “right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition for redress of grievances” was one right, not two.

Had me worried for a moment.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:21:42am

re: #5 b.d. (Enough!)

If Biden wins he needs to appoint the most vindictive SOB he can find to be AG.

Maybe not vindictive, but Weissman has a reputation of one who knows what’s what and who felt very frustrated by how they were thwarted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:21:55am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:22:26am

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Doug Jones is not vindictive. He is thorough. And very, very, persistent.

He’d be great, too.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:23:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:24:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:26:16am

Elie is devoid of any more fvcks to give…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:28:52am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:29:17am
“And if they get away with that, what happens?” he said. “Democracy is finished because they usher in totalitarianism.”

What he means is, “Not a totalitarianism in our favour.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:30:02am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

I could remember four off the top of my head and I’m not a lawyer. The “petition for redress” was the one I missed.

I could only name four but I lumped freedom of speech and freedom of the press together.

but that freedom to petition for the redress of grievances is a damned important one.

if the government is spying on you secretly or, say, placing you on a no-fly list without your knowledge, how can you even be aware that you might have been aggrieved in the first place?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:30:57am
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sagehen  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:31:06am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Elie is devoid of any more fvcks to give…

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Can she say it in a Samuel L Jackson voice?

Yes they deserve to Die - Samuel L Jackson

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:32:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:33:28am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

in which there are Nazis ready to take over our universe as well

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:35:47am
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DodgerFan1988  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:36:57am

He speaks for all Trump cult followers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:37:18am
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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:37:36am

re: #39 DodgerFan1988

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He speaks for all Trump cult followers.

Arrest him.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:38:48am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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I think it is very telling that the one that she forgot was the freedom of redress of grievances (freedom to protest).

Seems that a LOT of Republicans conveniently forget about that part.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:39:24am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:40:13am
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ericblair  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:40:30am

So, just asking, where are Squinterella, Javanka, and Jabba the Hutt these days? They seem to be keeping an awful low profile considering it’s, like, three weeks before the fucking election.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:40:43am

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Isn’t that how ‘The Mist’ started? The Mist, Giant Arthropod Monster (Behemoth)

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:41:22am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:42:25am

re: #39 DodgerFan1988

If he gets close enough to cough on me, and tries it, he’s getting punched in the throat.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:42:30am
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BeachDem  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:42:46am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I signed up the minute I got the first email. Can’t wait.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:43:20am

re: #49 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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The right side of his face is sagging again…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:43:57am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I saw the video. Don’t ask for dental records.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:44:33am

re: #43 🌹UOJB!

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It looks more like the quantum tunneler from Ant Man.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:44:46am

re: #51 b.d. (Enough!)

The right side of his face is sagging again…

He looks like death with a headache.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:46:45am

re: #51 b.d. (Enough!)

The right side of his face is sagging again…

Remember when he denied having ministrokes when no one asked?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:48:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:48:25am

If anyone is curious, the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment are:

1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of religion
3. Freedom of the press
4. Freedom to peaceably assemble
5. Freedom to seek redress of grievances with the Government

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:50:09am
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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:51:27am

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

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remember this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:52:53am
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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:53:39am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey, Senator Manchin, I hope you’re not leaning towards keeping the filibuster.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:54:22am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes those motherfucking Republicans are going to endlessly kneecap Joe.

That’s why Schumer MUST kill the filibuster and 60 vote threshold.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:56:05am

re: #51 b.d. (Enough!)

The right side of his face is sagging again…

That could be caused by a series of mini-strokes…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:57:43am

re: #62 🌹UOJB!

Yes those motherfucking Republicans are going to endlessly kneecap Joe.

That’s why Schumer MUST kill the filibuster and 60 vote threshold.

They have plenty of experience. Remember, for example:

1. The eighty billion votes to repeal Obamacare
2. The endless Benghazi investigations (Hunter Biden will be the target now)
3. Gaming the Senate rules to prevent Obama from making recess appointments
4. And oh yeah, SITTING ON THEIR FUCKING ASSES with regards to Merrick Garland.

I could go on, but without a solidly blue Senate Biden is in for a rough ride.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 14, 2020 • 11:58:23am

This & this. I would Photoshop these together but I haven’t got around to installing Adobe. Hint!

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:01:09pm
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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:01:51pm

“A car crash between Nicholas Sparks and Mein Kampf”: in the tangled world of far-right chat rooms, white supremacists are getting organized.

Writer Talia Lavin spent about a year catfishing white supremacists online. The result: personal trauma, predictions of a “bloody” election season, and the realization that many extremists aren’t holed up in basements—they’re bit players in our daily lives.

An interview by Maham Hasan, Vanity Fair.

This is SO GOOD. I could pull many quotes up, but will just recommend it to you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:04:50pm

re: #68 retired cynic

Sounds similar to what we see whenever there are child porn busts and some of the perpetrators are wealthy businessmen, lawyers, teachers, doctors, politicians and even cops.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:06:16pm

re: #59 dangerman

Let the record show that any Democrat who declines to answer the court-packing question should be credited with being in favor of it. Problem solved.

Let the record show that any Republican who opposed nominating and appointing a Supreme Court Judge in 2016 “because it’s an election year” is a total shameless, power-hungry hypocrite for supporting the same in 2020…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:06:31pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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That’s what happens when your publication writes disinformation for a major-party presidential candidate, Trump.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:06:52pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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Live by the fake news, die by the fake news.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:07:41pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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That guy by commas buy the truckload?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:09:39pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:11:49pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Let the record show that any Democrat who declines to answer the court-packing question should be credited with being in favor of it. Problem solved.

They must’ve calculated that a story like this needs a month before it is fully refuted, discredited & disappears, which is why they launched three weeks before the election…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:13:48pm

re: #50 BeachDem

I signed up the minute I got the first email. Can’t wait.

I signed up as soon as I saw the comment above. Immediately.

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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:14:09pm

Just as Tech Looked Serious About Diversity, Trump Intervenes
The Labor Department last week questioned Microsoft’s stated goal to double the number of Black leaders in the company.
by Sidney Fussell, Wired

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:14:47pm

re: #66 The Pie Overlord!

This & this. I would Photoshop these together but I haven’t got around to installing Adobe. Hint!

Updated image in #91

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:17:01pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Well it’s a good thing the job she wants has nothing to do with the Constitution … what … oh never mind.

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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:17:47pm

WaPo says that Phoenix has hit 100 degrees on HALF of the days in 2020 so far. GAH!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:24:09pm

re: #81 retired cynic

WaPo says that Phoenix has hit 100 degrees on HALF of the days in 2020 so far. GAH!

I used to look forward to finally being able to turn off the AC unit in October…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:26:52pm

re: #5 b.d. (Enough!)

If Biden wins he needs to appoint the most vindictive SOB he can find to be AG.

Preet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:27:34pm
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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:27:46pm

OK wingnuts, go ahead and boycott Twitter & Facebook.

I double dog dare ya.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:28:45pm

re: #85 b.d. (Enough!)

OK wingnuts, go ahead and boycott Twitter & Facebook.

I double dog dare ya.

But I thought they fled to Parler!

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:32:25pm

re: #86 🌹UOJB!

But I thought they fled to Parler!

No libs to own, they got bored

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:33:01pm

Teddy resting comfortably 5 days post-surgery

Dreaming of jumping on the couch.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:33:10pm

O_o

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:34:49pm

re: #88 Teddy’s Person ✌

Teddy resting comfortably 5 days post-surgery

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Hi baby boy! 💋💋💋💋💋💋

Kisses and really soft pats. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

Feel better soon. Love you, bud!

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:34:59pm

re: #79 makeitstop

Improved copy:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:37:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:39:08pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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Semper Fi  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:41:03pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like it just loves being a raven.

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ericblair  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:42:38pm

re: #85 b.d. (Enough!)

OK wingnuts, go ahead and boycott Twitter & Facebook.

I double dog dare ya.

Having a big ass lead in the polls by the Democrats encourages some serious 3 a.m. introspection by tech bros who would rather not be roasted in front of Congressional committees who have the power to do what they want to do. This is the positive feedback loop death spiral for a GOP who needs these tech bros to carry their water.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:43:57pm

Just because I’m in a mood.

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:44:02pm

re: #95 ericblair

Having a big ass lead in the polls by the Democrats encourages some serious 3 a.m. introspection by tech bros who would rather not be roasted in front of Congressional committees who have the power to do what they want to do. This is the positive feedback loop death spiral for a GOP who needs these tech bros to carry their water.

The rats are leaving the ship. If a republican wants a friend they better buy a dog.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:44:55pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:46:05pm

re: #97 b.d. (Enough!)

The rats are leaving the ship. If a republican wants a friend they better buy a dog.

Why would you do that to a poor dog? Wassamattu?

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:46:27pm

re: #97 b.d. (Enough!)

Awww, keep the puppies out of this. These people are fucking awful. They don’t deserve doggos.

They can have slugs and cockroaches(the big flying ones we have in the South).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:47:03pm

re: #98 Dread Pirate Ron

The governor of Missouri already said he was going to pardon them.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:49:17pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Article from 2015.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:49:20pm

ARRGGHHH! The friend I’ve been meeting for outdoor walks and outdoor dining just called to inform me that an acquaintance who is renting rooms in her basement has COVID but she doesn’t want me to tell anyone. So now I am going to “semi-quarantine” myself (not spending any time with others) and hope that I don’t have develop any symptoms in the next week

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:50:27pm

re: #103 Hecuba’s daughter

ARRGGHHH! The friend I’ve been meeting for outdoor walks and outdoor dining just called to inform me that an acquaintance who is renting rooms in her basement has COVID but she doesn’t want me to tell anyone. So now I am going to “semi-quarantine” myself (not spending any time with others) and hope that I don’t have develop any symptoms in the next week

Doesn’t want you to tell anyone? What the flying fuck? They’re a potential spreader, THEY better be telling all the anyones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:50:35pm

re: #95 ericblair

Having a big ass lead in the polls by the Democrats encourages some serious 3 a.m. introspection by tech bros who would rather not be roasted in front of Congressional committees who have the power to do what they want to do. This is the positive feedback loop death spiral for a GOP who needs these tech bros to carry their water.

This is a major tipping point: Trump can no longer count on social media to carry the vaporware he is putting into circulation.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:53:49pm

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is a major tipping point: Trump can no longer count on social media to carry the vaporware he is putting into circulation.

On top of that, they’ve been fucking with the truth for nearly four years, and now when they try to change the news cycle, nobody believes them.

They made that bed.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:55:53pm

Thread (shot):

(chaser)

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:58:10pm

re: #101 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The governor of Missouri already said he was going to pardon them.

They still have to go through the trial first.

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:58:48pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Before panicking about blatant disregard for masks/social distancing, the photo is from 2018 - not that that makes any difference with the Trump family and their sycophants.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:58:57pm

I’m in line to vote in The Woodlands. One red hat (without a mask) asked me if I wanted a Republican voting guide. I said FUCK NO! and my line laughed out loud. Then another red hat offered me water and I said I don’t like drinking brain-eating amoebas.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 12:59:12pm

re: #108 Belafon

They still have to go through the trial first.

And the governor has to get reelected. Bit of a long shot, but a girl can dream.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:00:40pm

re: #108 Belafon

They still have to go through the trial first.

and if convicted, will remain felons, barred from owning weapons…

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:02:16pm

First they came for the New York Post and I was like:

Good! F*ck those lying bastards, about time!

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:02:52pm

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and if convicted, will remain felons, barred from owning weapons…

They’re attorneys. Would a conviction affect their ability to practice?

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:03:26pm

re: #110 Ace Rothstein

I’m in line to vote in The Woodlands. One red hat (without a mask) asked me if I wanted a Republican voting guide. I said FUCK NO! and my line laughed out loud. Then another red hat offered me water and I said I don’t like drinking brain-eating amoebas.

I’ve posted this here a couple of times, but damn, I find it so inspirational.

BREAKING: The Dangerous Ones #VoteForOurLives

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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:04:28pm

THANKS DAD!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:06:43pm

re: #113 b.d. (Enough!)

First they came for the New York Post and I was like:

Good! F*ck those lying bastards, about time!

again, this is not Constitutionally Protected Speech.

Just ask Amy, she can tell you (once she checks her notes) that “CONGRESS shall make no law abridging…freedom of speech…”

i.e., they cannot punish you or forbid you from speaking your mind (within reasonable limits)

This does not apply to privately-owned companies. Anti-discrimination laws prevent them from denying you access to their platform outright based on your race, religion, gender or sexual orientation, but that does not apply to political utterances or other such statements that they deem to violate their standards and terms of service.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:08:03pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:13:03pm

re: #107 makeitstop

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:13:07pm

re: #109 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

Before panicking about blatant disregard for masks/social distancing, the photo is from 2018 - not that that makes any difference with the Trump family and their sycophants.

I’m pissed that she’s coming to Cincinnati to spread her lies

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:13:42pm

If they had never tested Barron he never would’ve had it.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:13:52pm

re: #108 Belafon

They still have to go through the trial first.

If they’re pardoned can they keep their guns?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:14:40pm

re: #122 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

If they’re pardoned can they keep their guns?

if they are convicted of a felony offense, not

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:15:18pm

re: #110 Ace Rothstein

I’m in line to vote in The Woodlands. One red hat (without a mask) asked me if I wanted a Republican voting guide. I said FUCK NO! and my line laughed out loud. Then another red hat offered me water and I said I don’t like drinking brain-eating amoebas.

I wouldn’t take anything from any trump supporter that was to be ingested. They’d kill you just as soon as look at you.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:15:58pm

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if they are convicted of a felony offense, not

Barrett disagrees!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:17:18pm

re: #113 b.d. (Enough!)

First they came for the New York Post and I was like:

Good! F*ck those lying bastards, about time!

I always hate seeing comments that have articles from the NY Post. Even if it’s a good article, overall they’re destructive and I wouldn’t give them any clicks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:18:21pm
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Alephnaught  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:19:01pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:19:26pm

re: #114 makeitstop

They’re attorneys. Would a conviction affect their ability to practice?

Probably. The Bar frowns on attorneys committing felonies. In Kentucky its an automatic suspension upon conviction.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:19:55pm

Dropped off my ballot today at one of the county drop boxes.

Continued my informal and unscientific political sign survey.

20+ Biden/Harris signs plus those for the other Democrats running for office in this county for state and federal offices.

One lawn with Trump/Pence signs. Including a “Jesus 2020” sign.

Two lawns with just a sign for the Republican running for a state assembly seat. This was the same one I don’t recall seeing on the ballot but I looked up the name and a site said she was on the ballot. (And the web site based on her name, which they apparently were smart enough to purchase, for some reason completely fails to indicate her party affiliation.)

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Alephnaught  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:20:12pm

Instagram

Squirrel on a third floor Glasgow Tenament windowsill #photo #iphoneography #shotoniphone

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:20:23pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:21:01pm

re: #116 b.d. (Enough!)

First off, she didn’t write that.

Second, what the fuck ever:

I was very fortunate as my diagnosis came with minimal symptoms, though they hit me all at once and it seemed to be a roller coaster of symptoms in the days after. I experienced body aches, a cough and headaches, and felt extremely tired most of the time. I chose to go a more natural route in terms of medicine, opting more for vitamins and healthy food.

And third, fuck her.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:21:36pm

re: #133 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I don’t really care, do u?

/

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:21:44pm

re: #110 Ace Rothstein

I’m in line to vote in The Woodlands. One red hat (without a mask) asked me if I wanted a Republican voting guide. I said FUCK NO! and my line laughed out loud. Then another red hat offered me water and I said I don’t like drinking brain-eating amoebas.

Voted yesterday in far North Dallas. Just a few observations while waiting in the 45-minute queue:

There was a distinct disconnect between the election signage surrounding the polling place (which was massively over-represented by Republicans - at least a 10:1 ratio) and those people in line - who I would classify as “Leans Democratic”, due to the number of women and people of color waiting in line.

Of course, there was the one MAGAt who showed up wearing a Donald Trump shirt emblazoned with a rather racist antithesis to the “Black Lives Matter” slogan, red MAGA baseball cap, and no mask until he got right up to the building. Unfortunately, the poll-workers there let him thru.

I could write a whole other section on the new voting machines they have at the place I voted - very upper-middle class neighborhood, and how superior they are to the ones that are used in less-wealthy (and less white) parts of town.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:25:09pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:26:16pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t really care, do u?

/

On this I do. She is telling people that taking vitamins and eating well is all that was needed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:26:45pm

WOW!!!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:27:17pm

re: #135 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

Voted yesterday in far North Dallas. Just a few observations while waiting in the 45-minute queue:

There was a distinct disconnect between the election signage surrounding the polling place (which was massively over-represented by Republicans - at least a 10:1 ratio) and those people in line - who I would classify as “Leans Democratic”, due to the number of women and people of color waiting in line.

Of course, there was the one MAGAt who showed up wearing a Donald Trump shirt emblazoned with a rather racist antithesis to the “Black Lives Matter” slogan, red MAGA baseball cap, and no mask until he got right up to the building. Unfortunately, the poll-workers there let him thru.

I could write a whole other section on the new voting machines they have at the place I voted - very upper-middle class neighborhood, and how superior they are to the ones that are used in less-wealthy (and less white) parts of town.

Are they still hackable?

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:27:29pm

re: #119 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Barr sighting! In ABQ.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:28:50pm

re: #140 makeitstop

Barr sighting! In ABQ.

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Damn. That sucks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:30:01pm
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b.d.  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:30:06pm

re: #140 makeitstop

Barr sighting! In ABQ.

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Take a left.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:30:25pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

WOW!!!

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That is going to be reversed, but it will be nice while it lasts.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:31:13pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tax cuts to pay down the debt. It’s Republican math.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:32:32pm

When wife voted today (absentee walk-in) the county clerk told her our county of >100,000 had about 5% of its eligibles vote already.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:32:36pm

re: #48 Romantic Heretic

If he gets close enough to cough on me, and tries it, he’s getting punched in the throat.

At minimum.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:33:12pm

re: #140 makeitstop

Barr sighting! In ABQ.

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Maskless. Natch.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:35:50pm

Just got my flu shot.

Every little bit of protection this year…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:36:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:37:03pm

re: #144 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That is going to be reversed, but it will be nice while it lasts.

Agreed. I live in a state that has a mandatory waiting period. It’s a serious roadblock for women.

The only remaining Abortion clinic in MS is in Jackson, which is just short of a three hour drive from where I am. So if a woman from this city wants an abortion, she has travel three hours to Jackson, find a place to stay for two days while there because of the mandatory waiting period (or drive three hours back and then three hours up and back two days later) before she can get the procedure done.

And this is assuming she has access to transportation to get up there and enough time off work to accommodate all this, not to mention money to cover gas, food and other necessary expenses.

My state even passed one of those stupid “admitting privileges” laws which would have closed the Jackson clinic and, in the words of our idiot governor “Make Mississippi abortion free”, but it was struck down by a Judge at the 11th hour so the Jackson clinic has stayed open for the time being.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:38:13pm
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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:38:37pm

re: #139 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Are they still hackable?

I will say that they do have safeguards against it because it is a 3 step process.

1. Get your blank ballot - about a 18” x 2” strip, with your name and voter ID printed across the top, and scanning barcode - all of this printed when you signed in with the poll worker.

2. Insert the blank ballot into electronic voting machine. Each screen has one entry for each item voted on, and allows the user to go back at any time, or completely cancel and start over. Once voting is completed, it prints onscreen each of the items voted on, and your vote for validation. If there is a correction that you want to make, it can be done from here. Once all of this is completed and validated, you then print the actual ballot out, with each person (or other measure) voted for printed in full, with another barcode next to each. This provides an actual paper audit trail.

3. Take the printed completed ballot to a secure GUARDED scanning machine where you insert for tabulation.

There may be post-voting hacking available to this, but the printed ballots mean they can easily rescan for auditing/recounts

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:39:01pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t really care, do u?

/

Nope

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:40:51pm

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. I live in a state that has a mandatory waiting period. It’s a serious roadblock for women.

The only remaining Abortion clinic in MS is in Jackson, which is just short of a three hour drive from where I am. So if a woman from this city wants an abortion, she has travel three hours to Jackson, find a place to stay for two days while there because of the mandatory waiting period (or drive three hours back and then three hours up and back two days later) before she can get the procedure done.

And this is assuming she has access to transportation to get up there and enough time off work to accommodate all this, not to mention money to cover gas, food and other necessary expenses.

My state even passed one of those stupid “admitting privileges” laws a which would have closed the Jackson clinic and, in the words of our idiot governor “Make Mississippi abortion free”, but it was struck down by a Judge at the 11th hour so the Jackson clinic has stayed open for the time being.

It won’t be open much longer. Roe will, if not reversed, be eviscerated soon, probably 2022 is my guess. And then the drive for many women in the South and West will be a whole lot longer than 3 hours.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:41:40pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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like i said above, based on the Republican standard, any/every question she refuses to answer we can freely assume she agrees with

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:42:30pm

re: #153 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

I will say that they do have safeguards against it because it is a 3 step process.

1. Get your blank ballot - about a 18” x 2” strip, with your name and voter ID printed across the top, and scanning barcode - all of this printed when you signed in with the poll worker.

2. Insert the blank ballot into electronic voting machine. Each screen has one entry for each item voted on, and allows the user to go back at any time, or completely cancel and start over. Once voting is completed, it prints onscreen each of the items voted on, and your vote for validation. If there is a correction that you want to make, it can be done from here. Once all of this is completed and validated, you then print the actual ballot out, with each person (or other measure) voted for printed in full, with another barcode next to each. This provides an actual paper audit trail.

3. Take the printed completed ballot to a secure GUARDED scanning machine where you insert for tabulation.

There may be post-voting hacking available to this, but the printed ballots mean they can easily rescan for auditing/recounts

We have those in Rockwall. The only real point of failure is I would love to have a printout of the available barcodes to compare my selections to. But they seem much better than most of the alternatives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:42:41pm
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:42:48pm

If only we’d known that the way to get Facebook to start cracking down on Nazis, Putin’s propagandists & QAnon freaks was to start giving Zuckerberg a taste of the raw sewage he forces us all to drink …

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:44:35pm
“I for one hope that every registered voter in this country votes on November 11.”

— Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC), suggesting he doesn’t know the day of the election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:46:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:47:27pm

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:49:43pm
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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:51:34pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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moron, for sure

w/r/t barron, maybe he doesnt know

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:52:48pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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That’s about a 1/2 step up from Barron who?

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piratedan  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:53:02pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

translation: some people that we paid a lot of money to spent a lot of time concocting this smorgasbord of lies and I want it out there on the news buffet pronto!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:53:42pm

Ok, who has “orangutans smoking bootleg cigarettes” on their 2020 bingo card?

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:55:17pm

Interesting. Fivethirtyeight just moved Georgia into the blue column (still tossup, but the trendline has steadily been in favor of Biden).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:55:37pm

re: #164 dangerman

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moron, for sure

w/r/t barron, maybe he doesnt know

He certainly doesn’t care.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:55:58pm

I think a parlay might be the best move, really.

1. Mitch McConnell gleefully announces that he’s eliminated the filibuster and is adding 6 more judges to the Supreme Court

2. Fox News publishes a handy interactive map to polling locations in black neighborhoods, along with a sign-up sheet where you can put down how much ammunition you’re bringing

3. Ted Cruz is caught having sex with a tied-up manatee at Sea World

Line opens at 12:1

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:56:17pm
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called out Democrats for not ruling out the prospect of their party adding more seats to the Supreme Court if Joe Biden wins the White House and they capture the Senate, The Hill reports.

Said McConnell: “It is bizarre to watch Vice President Biden and other Democrats refuse to give a straight answer on their own party’s threats to pack the Supreme Court.”

once again, mitch. it’s your nominee right now and under oath who refuses to give “a straight answer” on anything w/r/t the Supreme Court

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:56:29pm

re: #168 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

Interesting. Fivethirtyeight just moved Georgia into the blue column (still tossup, but the trendline has steadily been in favor of Biden).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

What about Ossoff?

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ckkatz  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:57:24pm

re: #43 🌹UOJB!

xkcd.com

(The crossbow is a weapon in the game series Half-Life, whose plot has a similar infestation following a failed physical experiment ripping dimensional seams.)

explainxkcd.com

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KingKenrod  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:58:10pm

re: #168 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

Interesting. Fivethirtyeight just moved Georgia into the blue column (still tossup, but the trendline has steadily been in favor of Biden).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Must be because a Quinnipiac poll today shows Biden up 7 in GA.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:59:04pm

re: #168 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

If Georgia goes for Biden, it is over, Trump is going to get curb-stomped.

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NetworkKed  Oct 14, 2020 • 1:59:30pm

re: #170 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

I think a parlay might be the best move, really.

1. Mitch McConnell gleefully announces that he’s eliminated the filibuster and is adding 6 more judges to the Supreme Court

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He can’t add judges with just a Senate vote - it’s a normal bill passage -> sign/veto -> law deal.

So thank god for a blue House.

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KGxvi  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:00:47pm

re: #9 Decatur Deb

Doug Jones is not vindictive. He is thorough. And very, very, persistent.

I’m still holding out hope that Tubberville does what he used to do on the football field and find a way to screw things up.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:03:44pm

re: #175 Belafon

If Georgia goes for Biden, it is over, Trump is going to get curb-stomped.

I’m sure Kemp will have something to do about that.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:04:21pm

re: #160 dangerman

— Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC), suggesting he doesn’t know the day of the election.

Or, deliberately putting out disinformation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:04:39pm
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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:04:58pm

re: #176 NetworkKed

He can’t add judges with just a Senate vote - it’s a normal bill passage -> sign/veto -> law deal.

So thank god for a blue House.

yeah like procedure, precedent, rules, the constitution, etc matter to this lot //

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:05:43pm

re: #179 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Or, deliberately putting out disinformation.

considering that the eleventh of november would never be possible, yeah

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:06:03pm

re: #172 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What about Ossoff?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:08:46pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsay Wise
@lindsaywise
Booker asks Barrett if she thinks it’s wrong to separate children from their parents

Barrett: “That’s a matter of hot political debate that I can’t express a view or be drawn into as a judge”

Booker: “These are basic questions of human rights.”

The Federalist Society grooms its nominations well — to refuse to answer any question because if they answer one, it would a precedent for their having to address other issues. Moscow Mitch has achieved his lifetime objective into turning much of judiciary into a Fascist racist anti-voting rights anti health care totalitarians who will never stand up for civil rights, the individual, or the Constitution. They will endorse anything Trump says and reject anything a Biden administration promotes.

One other thing about the refusal to address issues: about 14 years ago, a colleague of mine decided to run for Congress in the Democratic primary. I challenged him because it didn’t seem to me that he had a thorough grasp of the many issues he would confront as a Congressman. He presented a non-answer answer that he thought would serve to respond to audience questions during the first debate (there were maybe 6 people running). It is certainly possible that the Federalist approach is also designed to mask the ignorance of the nominee on critical issues they are likely to confront.

Maybe some Senator should ask Barrett, who proclaims herself an originalist, to explain how Justice Taney, who also described himself as an originalist, was correct in his reasoning in the Dredd Scott decision.

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ckkatz  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:12:17pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ha!

I am not sure that saying Harvard Law Grads make better partisan hacks than Yale Law Grads covers anybody with much glory.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:13:06pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Which is why we’ll have to fix the court before the challenge to a voting rights bill gets to it.

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BeachDem  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:13:35pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The best part—

An anti-Donald Trump campaign group headed by a former Republican official…Rural America 2020 is run by Christopher Gibbs, a former Shelby County Republican Party chair.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:13:45pm

re: #185 ckkatz

Ha!

I am not sure that saying Harvard Law Grads make better partisan hacks than Yale Law Grads covers anybody with much glory.

Columbia.

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:13:55pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This may actually be a bigger deal than it may seem, since IIRC, Georgia has a “majority” requirement (50% +1?) for election winners, otherwise there is a runoff in (? 60 days?): it is virtually certain that there will be a runoff for the “B” race (Loeffler’s seat) given the “jungle” ballot, but the dynamics may change if just the one seat is up.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:14:01pm

re: #168 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

Interesting. Fivethirtyeight just moved Georgia into the blue column (still tossup, but the trendline has steadily been in favor of Biden).

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Nate moved Ohio into Joe’s column yesterday. That should signal the death knell for President Anusface since no Republican has ever been elected President without carrying Ohio!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:14:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:15:31pm
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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:16:36pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I want someone to ask her about that. President Clinton, please tell someone you know to ask her that.

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b_sharp  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:17:25pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“To be totally honest” Does that mean she’s not normally totally honest?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:18:06pm

re: #170 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:20:47pm

re: #171 dangerman

once again, mitch. it’s your nominee right now and under oath who refuses to give “a straight answer” on anything w/r/t the Supreme Court

And of course it was the GOP that flat out lied that they would not try to pack the Court this year.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:22:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:22:45pm

LOL

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:29:50pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

It figures. She’s a super woman specimen and didn’t need no stinking medicine. Eating healthy and taking supplements isn’t awful advice, but to imply that’s a treatment for covid is just more bad info for the public. I’m going out on a limb and saying she got great medical care and some help with those uncomfortable symptoms too.

Also, I think Ivanka is supposed to be in Atlanta for some business conference or some shit in a day or two. So yay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:33:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:34:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:35:27pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:35:35pm

Maybe someone here can answer this:

A FB posting by a Trumpster acquaintance claimed that the NY Times reported today that there will be vaccines available by January 2021 for the population of the US. Supposedly the article also praised the Trump administration for their incredible efforts at accomplishing this.

So any idea what story this is referring to? The online version of NY Times didn’t seem to have anything remotely akin to this.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:37:23pm

re: #41 retired cynic

Arrest him.

I’d have fucking throat punched him, reaching for his spine from the front. Fucking scumbag.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:40:16pm

re: #199 A Mom Anon

It figures. She’s a super woman specimen and didn’t need no stinking medicine. Eating healthy and taking supplements isn’t awful advice, but to imply that’s a treatment for covid is just more bad info for the public. I’m going out on a limb and saying she got great medical care and some help with those uncomfortable symptoms too.

Also, I think Ivanka is supposed to be in Atlanta for some business conference or some shit in a day or two. So yay.

so trump - mild symptoms and experimental drugs
melania - mild symptoms, no drugs
baron - virtually no symptoms

what are the odds?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:40:34pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe someone here can answer this:

A FB posting by a Trumpster acquaintance claimed that the NY Times reported today that there will be vaccines available by January 2021 for the population of the US. Supposedly the article also praised the Trump administration for their incredible efforts at accomplishing this.

So any idea what story this is referring to? The online version of NY Times didn’t seem to have anything remotely akin to this.

Gosh did MAGA Haberman write that too?

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NetworkKed  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:40:43pm

Wow. SUSA (via 538) has Trump +7 in Indiana.

Holy shit.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:44:01pm

What else should we add to the Kamala/Kali Ma wishlist?

Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine & Equal Time and cutting legs out from under Fox News & Hate Radio?

Superfunding the IRS and telling them to go after billionaire tax cheats?

Transferring white collar criminals from cushy Club Fed into hardcore lockdown at Marion?

Reinstating the bad on assault rifles?

The mind reels …

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:44:28pm

re: #207 NetworkKed

Wow. SUSA (via 538) has Trump +7 in Indiana.

Holy shit.

Are you surprised that it is so large? Or that it is so small?

One thing to remember about these kinds of sampling methods is that the uncertainty is rather large. “+7” is just the peak of the distribution of the possible values.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:45:41pm

re: #42 Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!

I think it is very telling that the one that she forgot was the freedom of redress of grievances (freedom to protest).

Seems that a LOT of Republicans conveniently forget about that part.

They miss the bolded part of the second below also.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:47:04pm

re: #209 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Are you surprised that it is so large? Or that it is so small?

One thing to remember about these kinds of sampling methods is that the uncertainty is rather large. “+7” is just the peak of the distribution of the possible values.

2016 trump took indiana by 19

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:47:37pm

re: #48 Romantic Heretic

If he gets close enough to cough on me, and tries it, he’s getting punched in the throat.

Exactly what I said. Reach for the spine through the front.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:48:56pm

from politicalwire.com

“With less than three weeks to go before Nov. 3, more than 14 million Americans have already voted in the fall election, reflecting an extraordinary level of participation despite barriers erected by the coronavirus pandemic — and setting a trajectory that could result in the majority of voters casting ballots before Election Day for the first time in U.S. history,” the Washington Post reports.

“The picture is so stark that election officials around the country are reporting record early turnout, much of it in person, meaning that more results could be available on election night than previously thought.

“So far, much of the early voting appears to be driven by heightened enthusiasm among Democrats. Of the roughly 3.5 million voters who have cast ballots in six states that provide partisan breakdowns, registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by roughly 2 to 1, according to a Washington Post analysis of data in Florida, Iowa, Maine, Kentucky, North Carolina and Pennsylvania.”

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:49:21pm

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

If anyone is curious, the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment are:

1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of religion
3. Freedom of the press
4. Freedom to peaceably assemble
5. Freedom to seek redress of grievances with the Government

So if she was immigrating and wanted to be a citizen, she would have failed the test. Send her back where she came from.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:50:18pm

meanwhile (politico)

“Despite Biden’s gains among senior voters, some Republicans argue the race is far closer than the polls suggest and are optimistic about Trump’s chances of eking out a win.”

all they’ve got is ‘the polls are wrong”

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:51:52pm

re: #215 dangerman

meanwhile (politico)

all they’ve got is ‘the polls are wrong”

Charlie Pierce is absolutely correct when he refers to Politico as Tiger Beat On The Potomac!

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:52:11pm

re: #214 Eventual Carrion

So if she was immigrating and wanted to be a citizen, she would have failed the test. Send her back where she came from.

Unsurprising that redress against the government is unacknowledged by a “conservative” authoritarian.

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Belafon  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:52:47pm

re: #215 dangerman

meanwhile (politico)

all they’ve got is ‘the polls are wrong”

I remember when the Democrats thought that in 2010.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:53:13pm

re: #171 dangerman

something else about this:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called out Democrats for not ruling out the prospect of their party adding more seats to the Supreme Court if Joe Biden wins the White House and they capture the Senate, The Hill reports.

Said McConnell: “It is bizarre to watch Vice President Biden and other Democrats refuse to give a straight answer on their own party’s threats to pack the Supreme Court.”

mitch is basically saying how dare the dems not tell everybody their private plans and strategies.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:55:39pm

re: #197 dangerman

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:56:13pm

If this is true, I’m breaking out the Martinelli’s Cider that I’m saving for election night!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:56:44pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe someone here can answer this:

A FB posting by a Trumpster acquaintance claimed that the NY Times reported today that there will be vaccines available by January 2021 for the population of the US. Supposedly the article also praised the Trump administration for their incredible efforts at accomplishing this.

So any idea what story this is referring to? The online version of NY Times didn’t seem to have anything remotely akin to this.

Nope. No idea.

The US hasn’t signed into the global initiative for vaccines and the studies going on within the US are either only in phase 2 or stalled.

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Nojay UK  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:57:04pm

re: #210 Eventual Carrion

They miss the bolded part of the second below also.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Those are the words written 250 years ago. “Well-regulated” back then meant “well-equipped”, nothing to do with state or local control of militias. Words change, “terrific” no longer means “inspires terror” for example.

The other thing is that the first and second clauses of the Second Amendment are explanations but not qualifications for the third clause which is the right accorded to all citizens (but not black field slaves and sex toys, Native Americans, Frenchmen, women, Chinese, Irish etc.). Even if times change and the first two clauses become untrue their invalidity doesn’t negate the third clause’s grant of the Amendment’s absolute personal right to keep and bear arms.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:57:09pm

A NY Times article supporting my belief that federal officers murdered Michael Reinoehl. Does he not have any family to make efforts to defend him and challenge the authorities?

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:58:38pm

re: #221 🌹UOJB!

If this is true, I’m breaking out the Martinelli’s Cider that I’m saving for election night!

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just bought a nice bottle of rose today
if true, i’ll take it for a test ride early

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Nojay UK  Oct 14, 2020 • 2:59:24pm

re: #222 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Some scientist or other said somewhere that there could be a vaccine for COVID-19 by Christmas or the early spring next year. No details, no production or distribution schedule, nothing except that bare unsupported statement.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:00:36pm

re: #213 dangerman

from politicalwire.com

Of the roughly 3.5 million voters who have cast ballots in six states that provide partisan breakdowns, registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by roughly 2 to 1

AND many Republicans are Lincoln Project Republicans.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:04:17pm

re: #226 Nojay UK

Some scientist or other said somewhere that there could be a vaccine for COVID-19 by Christmas or the early spring next year. No details, no production or distribution schedule, nothing except that bare unsupported statement.

Fauci said maybe. And he also said maybe January. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Nothing anywhere near oh yeah!

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BeachDem  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:06:18pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe someone here can answer this:

A FB posting by a Trumpster acquaintance claimed that the NY Times reported today that there will be vaccines available by January 2021 for the population of the US. Supposedly the article also praised the Trump administration for their incredible efforts at accomplishing this.

So any idea what story this is referring to? The online version of NY Times didn’t seem to have anything remotely akin to this.

Not from the NYT and not from today (hey, Trumpsters can’t get ALL their facts straight//) but—and note that it’s all trump administration peeps talking.

From 10/9:
A Trump administration official leading the response to the coronavirus pandemic says the U.S. can expect delivery of a vaccine starting in January 2021, despite statements from the president that inoculations could begin this month…

Dr. Robert Kadlec said in an email Friday that the administration “is accelerating production of safe and effective vaccines … to ensure delivery starting January 2021.” Kadlec is the Department of Health and Human Services’ assistant secretary of preparedness and response. HHS says a vaccine could be approved before the end of the year but will take time to distribute.

apnews.com

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:07:16pm

re: #226 Nojay UK

Some scientist or other said somewhere that there could be a vaccine for COVID-19 by Christmas or the early spring next year. No details, no production or distribution schedule, nothing except that bare unsupported statement.

until they start talking about concrete distribution and coverage to substantial numbers of the population, it’s just blather

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:08:29pm

re: #228 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Fauci said maybe. And he also said maybe January. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Nothing anywhere near oh yeah!

Important to point out here:

Even if we manage to have a proven, effective vaccine in 2021, DISTRIBUTION is still going to take quite awhile, seeing as we’ll have to manufacture and transport literally BILLIONS of doses.

EDIT: And I see Dangerman beat me to it.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:10:15pm

re: #223 Nojay UK

Was “the people” not a plural noun back then? As opposed to “any person’s” right as an individual?
I also thought that back then, militia meant an organized group sanctioned by the government, but I am neither linguist nor historian.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:12:10pm

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:12:17pm

re: #231 Eclectic Cyborg

Important to point out here:

Even if we manage to have a proven, effective vaccine in 2021, DISTRIBUTION is still going to take quite awhile, seeing as we’ll have to manufacture and transport literally BILLIONS of doses.

EDIT: And I see Dangerman beat me to it.

no worries

and of course only one dose will be sufficient, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:12:44pm
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ckkatz  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:13:32pm

re: #232 Jebediah, RBG

My understanding that the phrase originally also implied “well trained” and ‘well disciplined”. And, as noted, in original meaning excluded significant portions of the population.

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retired cynic  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:14:22pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:14:24pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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calochortus  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:14:45pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:15:23pm

re: #236 ckkatz

Yeah, I had those same impressions, too.

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ckkatz  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:16:15pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:18:20pm

As Michelle Goldberg said, “Here’s a real goddamn scandal”:

It appears the dude who shot a Patriot Prayer member in Portland was basically executed by law enforcement. There’s very little evidence that they did anything other than drive up quickly when he emerged from his apartment and then shoot him to death. Duterte Trump called it “retribution.”

nytimes.com

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:19:32pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:20:11pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:22:00pm

re: #236 ckkatz

My understanding that the phrase originally also implied “well trained” and ‘well disciplined”. And, as noted, in original meaning excluded significant portions of the population.

Also, when the Constitution was written, memories of the disruptions in Massachusetts caused by Shays’ Rebellion were still fresh, and the Framers likely wanted to be sure that there was a clear distinction made between “popular militia” and “armed mob” - and I’m of the opinion that including the term “well-regulated” in the 2A was indeed intended to mean not only “well-equipped/trained/disciplined”, but also “under official authority”.
YMMV.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:22:45pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

Tell your friend to show their work.

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:23:00pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Nojay UK  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:23:38pm

re: #234 dangerman

no worries

and of course only one dose will be sufficient, right?

I’m on the volunteer list for the Oxford/Moderna vaccine phase III tests here in the UK but I’ve not been called up for it (yet). The test protocol says that for some participants there will be two injections in the treatment schedule.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:25:02pm
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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:25:09pm
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CleverToad  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:29:16pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:33:01pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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ckkatz  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:33:22pm

re: #245 Jay C

Also, when the Constitution was written, memories of the disruptions in Massachusetts caused by Shays’ Rebellion were still fresh, and the Framers likely wanted to be sure that there was a clear distinction made between “popular militia” and “armed mob” - and I’m of the opinion that including the term “well-regulated” in the 2A was indeed intended to mean not only “well-equipped/trained/disciplined”, but also “under official authority”.
YMMV.

You raise an interesting question. One that I honestly do not know enough to fully answer (to me).

In terms of current meaning, where “well-regulated” means under state/government organization and discipline. I fully agree with you.

In terms of what the writers fully meant. I do not yet know how, when, or even _if_ they disentangled the philosophy and concept of militia as representatives of the King/Loyalist Government versus that of the Revolutionary/Patriot Govt versus representing other interests.

One thing to consider was that the major experience prior to the American Revolutionary War was in the response to raids by Native Americans and by French combatants coming from Canada.

The organization, rapidity and effectiveness of the Massachusetts’ response at Lexington and Concord was because of experiences against those raids.

Understanding that any conflict is basically a series of screw-ups on both sides. And that even the side that screws up less still often loses. The only certainty is that people usually get hurt in these things.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:34:51pm

re: #248 Nojay UK

I’m on the volunteer list for the Oxford/Moderna vaccine phase III tests here in the UK but I’ve not been called up for it (yet). The test protocol says that for some participants there will be two injections in the treatment schedule.

I volunteered at CoVPN (coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org)

waiting to hear as well

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:36:15pm

re: #250 jaunte

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:36:58pm

re: #250 jaunte

It took trump six weeks to get his signature on the measly $1200 that some people got (I didn’t). You can almost count on them to fuck it up.

That said, I do not think $200 is going to buy senior votes. I just don’t.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:37:56pm

re: #256 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

No it won’t. Wasted money. And it isn’t his to waste.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:38:35pm
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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:39:39pm

re: #256 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

It took trump six weeks to get his signature on the measly $1200 that some people got (I didn’t). You can almost count on them to fuck it up.

That said, I do not think $200 is going to buy senior votes. I just don’t.

Politico:

“In Arizona as elsewhere, Trump’s handling of the pandemic — even prior to his diagnosis — is proving costly, leaving him struggling to match his 2016 performance among those over the age of 65. October polling shows Biden is chipping away at Trump’s support among older white voters, especially among the once reliably Republican senior population in populous Maricopa County.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:39:56pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Targetpractice  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:39:56pm

I don’t ever want to hear about how this woman deserves sympathy from this day forward:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:40:04pm

BTW, they paused the regeneron trial (that trump owns stock in) for the drug cocktail that they gave trump because of major health issues. Sounded more serious than simple contraindications.

And it had to be given intravenously in a hospital setting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:40:39pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:40:50pm

I am intrigued by that Indiana polling. It’s a state I know (too) well, and I’ve been eager to see polling.

Yes, it has some amazingly red areas. Yes, it swung brutally to Trump in 2016. But remember it actually went Obama at least once, too.

It has always seemed to me that the story of Indiana is all about who turns out where. Much like South Carolina, you need Black turnout in high numbers for Democrats to win Indiana. They’re concentrated in northwest Indiana (the Chicago suburbs) and in Indianapolis. If they show up like they did in 2008 and 2012, Trump at least doesn’t take Indiana in a landslide. And with polling as thin as it’s been there… I don’t think you’d be wrong to dream even bigger.

Remember, there’s no love for Pence in his homeland. He was about to lose renomination as governor when he was plucked out of that race to run for VP. Holcomb, the current GOP governor, isn’t widely popular either, especially as the state’s COVID numbers have turned ridiculously bad.

Even the suburban strongholds that did so well for Trump in 2016 - think Hamilton County, the rich white suburbs north of Indianapolis - have the potential for surprises. As poorly as Trump is performing with college-educated white women, that could be very bad news for him in places like Hamilton County, which are fairly upscale and educated as red hotspots go.

I’d love to see more polling.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:41:37pm

re: #233 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Jay C  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:42:08pm

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:44:08pm

re: #253 ckkatz

You raise an interesting question. One that I honestly do not know enough to fully answer (to me).

In terms of current meaning, where “well-regulated” means under state/government organization and discipline. I fully agree with you.

The best thing I have found to understand the founders intent are the first to Militia Acts of 1792.

mountvernon.org

Reading that text is tedious but rewarding. It specifies exactly what was expected - and frankly the requirement that all members of the militia buy a military caliber musket and maintain it when it was not an especially good hunting arm tells me that they probably would have required ownership of an AR had they existed then.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:47:24pm

An effective fighting force NEEDS to have proper training and discipline to be, you know, effective. Even if the founders didn’t explicitly state this in the Amendment it’s kind of a given that its intent was to have a functional militia available to supplement the standing Army if necessary.

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Nojay UK  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:55:24pm

re: #245 Jay C

The problem is that the “magic words” in the Constitution have to be twisted almost out of recognition to enable a working Government and institutions in the twenty-first century. The Commerce Clause, for example is used to permit and enable a shitload of necessary legislation the Founders never envisaged the country would need when they set America’s future in stone, and as for the Fourth Amendment, what can I say? Is there any part of the American way of life that it doesn’t impact on a daily basis?

Sitting here in a country that doesn’t have a written constitution[1], never mind one made Holy by capital letters reminiscent of an illuminated medieval manuscript I can only kvetch from the sidelines but (heresy!) it might be better for you guys to lose a war, get invaded and conquered and have a constitution suitable for today’s real world imposed on you by your ‘liberators’. It’s kind of embarrassing that countries like Japan and Germany have a more modern world outlook and political system than you do, after all.

[1] We do have a constitution here in the UKoGBaNI, sort of. It’s a lot of good ideas flying in close formation rather than a 200-hundred year old ball-and-chain though.

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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:55:25pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:56:13pm

re: #264 i(m)p(each)sos

I am intrigued by that Indiana polling. It’s a state I know (too) well, and I’ve been eager to see polling.

Yes, it has some amazingly red areas. Yes, it swung brutally to Trump in 2016. But remember it actually went Obama at least once, too.

It has always seemed to me that the story of Indiana is all about who turns out where. Much like South Carolina, you need Black turnout in high numbers for Democrats to win Indiana. They’re concentrated in northwest Indiana (the Chicago suburbs) and in Indianapolis. If they show up like they did in 2008 and 2012, Trump at least doesn’t take Indiana in a landslide. And with polling as thin as it’s been there… I don’t think you’d be wrong to dream even bigger.

Remember, there’s no love for Pence in his homeland. He was about to lose renomination as governor when he was plucked out of that race to run for VP. Holcomb, the current GOP governor, isn’t widely popular either, especially as the state’s COVID numbers have turned ridiculously bad.

Even the suburban strongholds that did so well for Trump in 2016 - think Hamilton County, the rich white suburbs north of Indianapolis - have the potential for surprises. As poorly as Trump is performing with college-educated white women, that could be very bad news for him in places like Hamilton County, which are fairly upscale and educated as red hotspots go.

I’d love to see more polling.

I spent many years in Indiana. First teaching in Tippecanoe County, then (too long) as a grad student in Bloomington. I kind of lost my faith in Indiana when they turned on Richard Luger. He was a good man who had no problem working with Dems on common goals. Still, I guess the thing to do is check on Vigo County.

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:56:56pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

An effective fighting force NEEDS to have proper training and discipline to be, you know, effective. Even if the founders didn’t explicitly state this in the Amendment it’s kind of a given that its intent was to have a functional militia available to supplement the standing Army if necessary.

Replace. Not supplement. The founding fathers based on their experiences in the English Civil War and the American Revolutionary War feared and hated the idea of a standing Army. The militia was supposed to be instead of a regular army.

However every time the militia was called up, with the exception of Black Hawk’s War (a murderous rampage by the militias) and possibly the Mexican-American War, they were an utter failure and only the Regulars saved the Republic in 1812 & the Civil War.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:56:56pm

Key things to know about election polling in the United States

[…]

The real margin of error is often about double the one reported. The notion that a typical margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points leads people to think that polls are more precise than they really are. Why is that? For starters, the margin of error addresses only one source of potential error: the fact that random samples are likely to differ a little from the population just by chance. But there are three other, equally important sources of error in polling: nonresponse, coverage error (where not all the target population has a chance of being sampled) and mismeasurement. Not only does the margin of error fail to account for those other sources of potential error, it implies to the public that they do not exist, which is not true.

Several recent studies show that the average error in a poll estimate may be closer to 6 percentage points, not the 3 points implied by a typical margin of error. While polls remain useful in showing whether the public tends to favor or oppose key policies, this hidden error underscores the fact that polls are not precise enough to call the winner in a close election.

[…]

As worthwhile as that Pew article is for reading, even it does not go far enough in explaining what is, and is not, happening.

Probability, measurement statistics, and predictions are all different things. This though is often too complex a topic for an quick internet read.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2020 • 3:58:22pm

re: #270 dangerman

Mac Isaac appeared nervous throughout. Several times, he said he was scared for his life and for the lives of those he loved. He appeared not to have a grasp on the timeline of the laptop arriving at his shop and its disappearance from it. He also said the impeachment of President Trump was a “sham.” Social media postings indicate that Mac Isaac is an avid Trump supporter, and voted for him in the 2016 election.

Mac Isaac said he had a medical condition that prevented him from actually seeing who dropped off the laptop but that he believed it to be Hunter Biden’s because of a sticker related to the Beau Biden Foundation that was on it. He said that Hunter Biden actually dropped off three laptops for repair, an abundance of hardware that he chalked up to the Biden son being “rich.”

[SNIP]

Mac Isaac referenced the infamous Seth Rich conspiracy theory—which holds that a DNC staffer who police say was murdered in a botched robbery was actually killed off by Clinton allies because he leaked committee emails—as reason for his paranoia. He said he made a copy of the hard drive for purposes of personal protection.

Yep, this guy seems like a totally credible person.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:02:24pm

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

An effective fighting force NEEDS to have proper training and discipline to be, you know, effective. Even if the founders didn’t explicitly state this in the Amendment it’s kind of a given that its intent was to have a functional militia available to supplement the standing Army if necessary.

That is the National Guard. The 2d Amendment only applied to the federal government until the 21st Century, when all of a sudden SCOTUS decided there was an individual right which the states had to respect. That should be reversed, but probably never will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:02:42pm

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

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I just love the New Age crop circles!

:D

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:07:30pm

re: #269 Nojay UK

It’s the belief the those mighty words are the one line of defense for freedumb.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:07:34pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:08:36pm

Covid has hit SEC football. The Florida Gator head coach had been demanding that the University pack 90,000 people into the Stadium Saturday because Governor DeathSantis authorized it. But now 19 Florida players have tested positive so the game is postponed. Nick Saban of Alabama has also tested positive and is in quarantine.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:09:55pm
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dangerman  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:11:15pm

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:12:25pm

re: #267 William Lewis

A requirement that they own and maintain a particular type of weapon sounds to me like the founders had no problem with regulating (in the modern sense of the word) the ownership and use of firearms. E.g. the right of The People to have an armed militia shall not be infringed, but the government IS free to write and enforce laws regarding an individuals ownership and use of firearms.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:17:01pm

re: #270 dangerman

Sounds totes legit. 👀

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:18:09pm

re: #267 William Lewis

The best thing I have found to understand the founders intent are the first to Militia Acts of 1792.

mountvernon.org

Reading that text is tedious but rewarding. It specifies exactly what was expected - and frankly the requirement that all members of the militia buy a military caliber musket and maintain it when it was not an especially good hunting arm tells me that they probably would have required ownership of an AR had they existed then.

but, But, BUT!! “Originalists” should insist on original intent, which would be the military caliber musket. As ACB insists, the Constitution is NOT an evolving document.

HEY! I’m trying to meet them halfway here…

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:22:00pm

re: #214 Eventual Carrion

So if she was immigrating and wanted to be a citizen, she would have failed the test. Send her back where she came from.

Maybe we can deport her back to the Republic of Gilead.

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gocart mozart  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:23:10pm

I love it when the E Street spouses trash talk the Trump women.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:30:25pm

re: #232 Jebediah, RBG

Was “the people” not a plural noun back then? As opposed to “any person’s” right as an individual?
I also thought that back then, militia meant an organized group sanctioned by the government, but I am neither linguist nor historian.

You are right. At the time the Constitution was written, there was a distrust of professional standing armies (one of the lessons of the Revolution). The militia system was intended to take the place of a standing army. Property owning citizen-soldiers were thought to have an interest in defining the nation (ie, their property). All men were expected to participation in the militia and would be fined if they skipped muster. Most of the time spent debating that amendment centered around determining who could skip militia duty because of religious or conscientious objectors.

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PrairieQueen  Oct 14, 2020 • 4:56:31pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s always gifted kids, one with special needs to prove they wouldn’t abort anything no matter what level of defective, and adopted kids to save and convert. I see this over and over and over with the religious zealots.

I’m not saying people should abort Down Syndrome or special needs children, I’m saying these types would keep a deformed lump of doomed braindead flesh alive with tubes (and prayer! because “God doesn’t make no junk”) before they would consider abortion, and they almost always have at least one in their herd.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 14, 2020 • 5:07:13pm

re: #288 PrairieQueen

It’s always gifted kids, one with special needs to prove they wouldn’t abort anything no matter what level of defective, and adopted kids to save and convert. I see this over and over and over with the religious zealots.

I’m not saying people should abort Down Syndrome or special needs children, I’m saying these types would keep a deformed lump of doomed braindead flesh alive with tubes (and prayer! because “God doesn’t make no junk”) before they would consider abortion, and they almost always have at least one in their herd.

As with the stereotypical fetus that becomes a baby, they don’t treat the disabled any better when they grow up. The way that fundies fetishize babies and “poor crippled babies” is just for show. Autistic children just get daddy’s belt, if they’re lucky.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 14, 2020 • 5:20:14pm

re: #133 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

First off, she didn’t write that.

Second, what the fuck ever:

And third, fuck her.

Ewwww! No! I know where that’s been.


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