Biden Town Hall Trounces Trump Town Hall in Nielsen Ratings

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TV show ratings are no way to determine an election, and I wouldn’t even pay attention to this in normal times, but these are not normal times and you just know this failure is eating at Trump’s little weasel brain.

Because as it turns out, Joe Biden’s town hall event outdrew Trump’s by almost a million viewers, even though Trump’s event was carried on three networks compared to one for Biden.

UPDATE at 10/16/20 5:24:45 pm by Charles Johnson

Here are some updated numbers; Biden’s viewership was even larger than first reported.

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212 comments

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:11:07am

FT! FNBC! GOTV!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:11:09am

8645.

I’m off to bed. Have fun y’all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:11:45am
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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:13:00am

The post in the previous thread said the DT clown show drew 13 million gross viewers across multiple networks.

And yes, I’m quite certain most of them were.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:13:05am

CL’d from last thread (Trump tweet bitching about Sen. Susan Collins):

re: #397 Belafon

Ok, I realize it’s Trump, but WTF….

opening up 5000 square miles of Ocean to Maine,

What did he do?
Unilaterally extend their “territorial waters”??
Boost their lobster quotas? What?

Oh, and FSC as well: if this crap helps send her off to retirement, I won’t complain.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:13:48am
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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:14:05am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

And that is how you do it. Right there. Along with a healthy portion of laughter at the stupid. Chef’s kiss perfection.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:16:45am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:17:45am

BUT, BUT, BUT, WE HAVE YOOOGE BOAT PARADES!! THE POLLS ARE WRONGZ!!!!

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:18:22am

re: #5 Jay C

What the hell even is his strategy here? Even in his drug-addled mind wreckage? Does he think he can bully her into a yes vote? Why does he think he needs to? As long as it’s just Collins and Murkowski defecting, Barrett still gets confirmed.

This makes no sense in any sort of normal political calculus… but then, why would that apply these days?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:19:22am
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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:21:07am

re: #5 Jay C

CL’d from last thread (Trump tweet bitching about Sen. Susan Collins):

Trump Falsely Claims Obama ‘Destroyed’ Maine Lobster Industry

factcheck.org

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:21:44am

re: #10 i(m)p(each)sos

What the hell even is his strategy here? Even in his drug-addled mind wreckage? Does he think he can bully her into a yes vote? Why does he think he needs to? As long as it’s just Collins and Murkowski defecting, Barrett still gets confirmed.

This makes no sense in any sort of normal political calculus… but then, why would that apply these days?

Don’t think he has a strategy other than lashing out at those he perceives as insufficiently loyal.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:21:46am

re: #10 i(m)p(each)sos

What the hell even is his strategy here? Even in his drug-addled mind wreckage? Does he think he can bully her into a yes vote? Why does he think he needs to? As long as it’s just Collins and Murkowski defecting, Barrett still gets confirmed.

Not if Mike Lee, Thom Tillis and Ron Johnson get sick. What’s the usual timeframe from a positive test to showing symptoms?

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danarchy  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:25:15am

re: #14 sagehen

Not if Mike Lee, Thom Tillis and Ron Johnson get sick. What’s the usual timeframe from a positive test to showing symptoms?

It was first reported they tested positive on October 2, if they haven’t gotten sick yet, they probably wont.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:26:11am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

“Hey, Trump, even the woman behind you is more popular than you.”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:31:36am

Trump’s only strategy right now, if you can call it that, is to let his narcissistic ego run wild. He has a mystical belief in his own superiority and he really thinks he’s going to win this way.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:31:41am

re: #10 i(m)p(each)sos

What the hell even is his strategy here? Even in his drug-addled mind wreckage? Does he think he can bully her into a yes vote? Why does he think he needs to? As long as it’s just Collins and Murkowski defecting, Barrett still gets confirmed.

This makes no sense in any sort of normal political calculus… but then, why would that apply these days?

Because it’s likely Trump isn’t thinking along the lines of “political calculus” (another subject he failed - and the guy he paid to take the test for him probably failed, too); there’s little downside for him to dump on Sen. Collins - and the red-hat goobers probably think it makes him look “tough”. At this point his “campaign” seems to have devolved into a purely ego-driven personality-cult, blind and deaf to its own general unpopularity, and only left with shoring up the slavering “base” as the means of avoiding a 1936/1964/1984-style blowout.
Oh, and trying to cheat the system.

ADD: What Charles said @ #17

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:36:42am

re: #16 Belafon

“Hey, Trump, even the woman behind you is more popular than you.”

plus, from downstairs

Paulette Dale, a registered Republican who told President Trump he had a nice smile at last night’s town hall event on NBC, told the Miami New Times she’s going to vote for Joe Biden

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:37:27am
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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:37:30am

Ugh. MSNBC now with a “TIGHTENING” chyron.

Flipped to 538 and it’s still 10.5% and 13-87. Fucking media.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:42:41am

I’m still not entirely convinced Trump won’t try to steal the election, but I do think his chances of doing so are getting less likely, even IF ACB gets on the court.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:50:23am

Satan’s Tinkerbelle can whine all she wants. I can’t wait till Preet slaps the handcuffs on her!

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:51:31am

re: #21 NetworkKed

Ugh. MSNBC now with a “TIGHTENING” chyron.

Flipped to 538 and it’s still 10.5% and 13-87. Fucking media.

I’ve noted how Ari Melber continues to beat the Horse Race Drum…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:51:48am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still not entirely convinced Trump won’t try to steal the election, but I do think his chances of doing so are getting less likely, even IF ACB gets on the court.

It’s easier to steal in a tighter election ie 2000.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:54:30am

So the NY Times is again protecting Trump by denying that he owes money to Russia. A Trumpster friend has already posted a FB comment based on that article. Of course, the author is not involved with the current Times investigation of Trump’s taxes, though he does have a serious background on financial investigations. The author could have indicated that this is an unresolved issue instead of putting his thumb on the scale.

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Teukka  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:56:23am

If 2020 was a lego set [Sauce]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:56:36am

Fact: Rich assholes can only be rich assholes when they have plenty of poor and ignorant people to exploit.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:06:12pm

Boris and the Tories were always going to crash out of the EU, hurt their own people, and walk away with the loot.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:07:20pm
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:07:28pm
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:08:39pm

Revanchist Republicans are already planning for a loss.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:14:41pm

re: #29 Sherlock Hound

Boris and the Tories were always going to crash out of the EU, hurt their own people, and walk away with the loot.

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Between the American GOP planning to cripple the incoming Biden administration by switching to “austerity mode”, and BoJo planning to deliberately tank Great Britain with his no-deal Brexit insanity, it’s going to be a rough few months to be a citizen of a primarily English-speaking country. Unless you’re lucky enough to be Canadian, Australian, New Zealander, or live in the Caribbean.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:17:03pm

McConnell wants to play the kneecap Joe game, oh I hope Joe goes on the floor of the senate and slaps cuffs on Ron Johnsonwax as he’s charged with treason.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:17:09pm

This is so sad. I’ve always liked him but I’ve questioned a few of his tweets lately. So sad.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:18:03pm

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m still not entirely convinced Trump won’t try to steal the election, but I do think his chances of doing so are getting less likely, even IF ACB gets on the court.

while gaming out all those what if scenarios had its moments, this is going to be decisive enough and most people, including judges are going to remember how things are supposed to work

no one is going to sacrifice themselves on an altar so trump can obviously steal the election for all to see

first ettd
second, they have careers of their own they intend to continue post-trump
and third - well there’s always a third, i just cant think of one right now

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:21:59pm

corey gardner is on his own and, well wow…

“Faced with a consistent stream of polls showing Sen. Cory Gardner headed for a loss next month, national Republican groups are spending far less in Colorado than in other battleground states this fall,” the Denver Post reports.

Said GOP pollster David Flaherty: “There is no reason for either side to put another dime into this state. It’s over.”

He also sees “historic” losses for Republicans nationally: “It is undeniable. The train wreck and implosion of the president will bring a historic number of other Republican candidates down, and if you don’t believe that then you have your head in the sand.”

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danarchy  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:24:05pm

re: #21 NetworkKed

Ugh. MSNBC now with a “TIGHTENING” chyron.

Flipped to 538 and it’s still 10.5% and 13-87. Fucking media.

Depends what metric you choose to use. By the RCP average it has tightened and lot’s of people go by that because it is easy to understand. We have X number of polls, average them together and there you go. Whereas 538 is likely more accurate and weights polls based on quality and past performance and does all sorts of analytics it isn’t as easy for people to get as a straight up average of polls.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:24:18pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:25:06pm

re: #30 jaunte

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If I could talk to the Democrats taking office, I would say this: The way to ensure that the GOP doesn’t have the power to rewrite the laws is to fix things so that people keep voting for Democrats, not to be cowards afraid of the GOP taking over.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:26:04pm

re: #40 Belafon

If I could talk to the Democrats taking office, I would say this: The way to ensure that the GOP doesn’t have the power to rewrite the laws is to fix things so that people keep voting for Democrats, not to be cowards afraid of the GOP taking over.

Absolutely. No guts no glory.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:27:47pm

re: #40 Belafon

And take credit for it. Proudly and often.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:32:41pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:35:32pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:35:54pm

re: #43 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Where’s Trump going to get his funding now?

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:36:13pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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She forgot ‘a majority of Americans.’

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:38:32pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

And that is how you do it. Right there. Along with a healthy portion of laughter at the stupid. Chef’s kiss perfection.

Winston Peters is not our best. He’s a populist, kinda anti-Asian, and his star is in the eclipse, but he ain’t wrong here and his response was very much on point.

Today (that’s Saturday, for those of you catching up as the big blue ball spins) we are going to The Polls. Die Gnädige Frau and I will be heading out to tick some boxes later this morning.

Jacinda Ardern’s personal support as preferred PM was in the 55% region last time I looked, and opposition leader Judith Collins was some 20 points behind, from memory.

The most recent polls have Ardern’s Labour Party firmly in the lead, with the possibility of obtaining an outright majority in the 120 seat unicameral House of Representatives: nzherald.co.nz

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:44:31pm

re: #39 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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I dunno - “200M” votes this year? (Up 45% from 2016?)
Sounds overly optimistic to me: though I agree with her basic theory: a big Democratic turnout and vote-tide in early/absentee balloting is going to need a HUGE GOP advantage in in-person Election Day voting to overcome.
And that seems quite the long shot…

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:49:27pm

re: #48 Jay C

I dunno - “200M” votes this year? (Up 45% from 2016?)
Sounds overly optimistic to me: though I agree with her basic theory: a big Democratic turnout and vote-tide in early/absentee balloting is going to need a HUGE GOP advantage in in-person voting to overcome.
And that seems quite the long shot…

Isn’t much early voting in-person voting? In-person on election day is going to be much less common over time, especially among those workers who have limited flexibility in their schedules and would prefer going early instead of discovering that election day doesn’t work for them. Indeed for many of us, we might want to get out as soon as feasible to avoid unanticipated problems.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:49:42pm

re: #38 danarchy

Depends what metric you choose to use. By the RCP average it has tightened and lot’s of people go by that because it is easy to understand. We have X number of polls, average them together and there you go. Whereas 538 is likely more accurate and weights polls based on quality and past performance and does all sorts of analytics it isn’t as easy for people to get as a straight up average of polls.

electoral-vote.com (my personal fave) is also strictly data driven, no weighting or intuition.

i dont see any tightening in either the all states or solid states only

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:50:19pm

re: #44 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Cult deprogramming is a specialty best left to those who have experience with it.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:51:48pm

re: #48 Jay C

I dunno - “200M” votes this year? (Up 45% from 2016?)
Sounds overly optimistic to me: though I agree with her basic theory: a big Democratic turnout and vote-tide in early/absentee balloting is going to need a HUGE GOP advantage in in-person voting to overcome.
And that seems quite the long shot…

when dems vote, dems win.

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:52:35pm

ActBlue update—earlier I mentioned screwing up my donation to Gary Peters, having done 2 instead of 1, and one of them being for $250 by mistake. They are fast—already did a refund of the mistaken donation. Soooooo, I went ahead and sent a few bucks to:

Warnock, GA
Jones, AL
Harley Rouda, CA (he has Rohrbacher’s old seat and is in a tight race—and I knew him when he was in high school—yada, yada, yada.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:54:19pm

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t much early voting in-person voting? In-person on election day is going to be much less common over time, especially among those workers who have limited flexibility in their schedules and would prefer going early instead of discovering that election day doesn’t work for them. Indeed for many of us, we might want to get out as soon as feasible to avoid unanticipated problems.

You’re right: I meant it to read “in-person Election Day voting”. Since edited. Tx.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:54:53pm

Someone bought a [beat-up] 1958 Les Paul on the Goodwill website. These can fetch up to and beyond $200,000 if owned by someone famous.

He’s going to document its restoration.

Authenticating the 1958 Gibson Les Paul from Goodwill

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:59:37pm

Second the notion that when Biden and the Dems take power they should start passing bills immediately and not give two shits what the GOP thinks. It’s not the Republicans would ever extend them the courtesy.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 12:59:46pm

re: #47 Grunthos the Flatulent

Thanks for explaining who the guy is. I think that he gave a very simple lesson to all of us on how to shut down these fools though. I hope your country can tilt things back into a better mode at the polls.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:01:59pm

re: #53 BeachDem

Thanks for the Warnock bucks. He really seems to care about Georgia and where we’re headed with these assholes at the wheel. Kelly Loeffler is just awful, she has to go.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:05:37pm

re: #53 BeachDem

ActBlue update—earlier I mentioned screwing up my donation to Gary Peters, having done 2 instead of 1, and one of them being for $250 by mistake. They are fast—already did a refund of the mistaken donation. Soooooo, I went ahead and sent a few bucks to:

Warnock, GA
Jones, AL
Harley Rouda, CA (he has Rohrbacher’s old seat and is in a tight race—and I knew him when he was in high school—yada, yada, yada.

Anyone looking for some late House impact up this way might consider a few decent prospects for R-to-D flips in my upstate NY neighborhood.

Nate McMurray has a very good chance (with strong turnout and $ support to buy ad time on Buffalo and Rochester TV) to flip the seat that used to belong to convicted felon Chris Collins. He came oh-so-close in the low-turnout special election for the seat. It wouldn’t take much to make it happen in the general.

Dana Balter is on TV already in Syracuse and Rochester in her race to unseat John Katko. This central NY district has a history of being swingy, and again, strong voter turnout in a Presidential year could flip it. She needs a little help for an especially strong showing because there’s a third-party Working Families candidate who screwed up his paperwork and doesn’t want to be on the ballot after all, so she needs to overcome any left-leaning votes that go to the WFP line instead.

A longer shot is Tracy Mitrano in the 23rd, running along the state’s southern border. She’s running against veteran R Tom Reed, who’s kind of odious in a Ben Sasse way, since he preaches moderation and morals and then votes straight ticket every time. Again, high D turnout in Ithaca and Corning just might move the needle on this one.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:08:17pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:09:46pm

re: #58 A Mom Anon

Thanks for the Warnock bucks. He really seems to care about Georgia and where we’re headed with these assholes at the wheel. Kelly Loeffler is just awful, she has to go.

Jon Ossoff’s campaign in 2017 was one of the first I worked on after the 2016 election, so it was nice to see his name showing up for this election. I donated to both him and Warnock this time.

Wouldn’t it be fun if Georgia ended up with two democratic senators!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:11:09pm

re: #59 i(m)p(each)sos

Have not been checking closely but is Elise Stefanik in any danger of losing her seat in the 21st District?

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:11:24pm

re: #58 A Mom Anon

Thanks for the Warnock bucks. He really seems to care about Georgia and where we’re headed with these assholes at the wheel. Kelly Loeffler is just awful, she has to go.

Wouldn’t it be great if he could bust 50% and not have to do a runoff? Hey, we can dream, right!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:11:36pm

re: #10 i(m)p(each)sos

What the hell even is his strategy here? Even in his drug-addled mind wreckage? Does he think he can bully her into a yes vote? Why does he think he needs to? As long as it’s just Collins and Murkowski defecting, Barrett still gets confirmed.

This makes no sense in any sort of normal political calculus… but then, why would that apply these days?

Trump doesn’t make calculations. He demands obsequiousness. He doesn’t care if this makes it harder for Collins to win her race.

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:13:28pm

re: #59 i(m)p(each)sos

Anyone looking for some late House impact up this way might consider a few decent prospects for R-to-D flips in my upstate NY neighborhood.

Nate McMurray has a very good chance (with strong turnout and $ support to buy ad time on Buffalo and Rochester TV) to flip the seat that used to belong to convicted felon Chris Collins. He came oh-so-close in the low-turnout special election for the seat. It wouldn’t take much to make it happen in the general.

Dana Balter is on TV already in Syracuse and Rochester in her race to unseat John Katko. This central NY district has a history of being swingy, and again, strong voter turnout in a Presidential year could flip it. She needs a little help for an especially strong showing because there’s a third-party Working Families candidate who screwed up his paperwork and doesn’t want to be on the ballot after all, so she needs to overcome any left-leaning votes that go to the WFP line instead.

A longer shot is Tracy Mitrano in the 23rd, running along the state’s southern border. She’s running against veteran R Tom Reed, who’s kind of odious in a Ben Sasse way, since he preaches moderation and morals and then votes straight ticket every time. Again, high D turnout in Ithaca and Corning just might move the needle on this one.

I’ll keep their names on my list for my next wave of benevolence—probably tomorrow after I get fired up watching the Hamilton crew tonight.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:15:44pm

re: #61 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

I would happy dance and throw out a hip but it would be so worth it, lol. Warnock and Ossoff are both good people, we so seriously need that here.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:15:53pm

Biden is hitting all the points.

Turn on if you can.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:16:49pm

re: #30 jaunte

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The GOP doesn’t give a flying fuck about deficits when they have the opportunity to reward their donors with massive tax cuts. Time for Democrats to reward the voters. Interest rates are so low, the Gov’t can basically borrow for free.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:17:01pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:17:11pm

re: #66 A Mom Anon

I would happy dance and throw out a hip but it would be so worth it, lol. Warnock and Ossoff are both good people, we so seriously need that here.

Teddy sez nooooooooooooooo!!!!

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:17:38pm

re: #65 BeachDem

I’ll keep their names on my list for my next wave of benevolence—probably tomorrow after I get fired up watching the Hamilton crew tonight.

I have ten more people on my list, then I’m done unless something critical comes up. No more money….

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:19:36pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:19:41pm

re: #70 Teddy’s Person ✌

Teddy sez nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Indeed. An FHO won’t work on a human. Maybe you can try just skipping rhythmically?

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:24:54pm

re: #72 gocart mozart

Donald Trump was secretly lobotomized and his brain fed to Siamese Cat named Squeaky

So much to unpack here.

1. If Trump was lobotomized, would anyone notice?

2. Trump brain is toxic. So, that’s some animal abuse right there.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:26:34pm

re: #62 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Have not been checking closely but is Elise Stefanik in any danger of losing her seat in the 21st District?

Oooh… glad you asked. YES.

The Trump border closure with Canada is economic death in places like Massena and Ogdensburg that live or die on cross-border commerce. She’s tied herself hard to the Trump anchor. I’d love to see her get pulled to the bottom with him. I haven’t seen any recent polling but I feel good about our chances up there.

ETA: 538 shows only one poll, a partisan R poll just out that shows Stefanik up on Tedra Cobb 50-40. I don’t put a ton of weight on that, obviously.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:29:04pm
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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:29:55pm

re: #75 i(m)p(each)sos

Oooh… glad you asked. YES.

The Trump border closure with Canada is economic death in places like Massena and Ogdensburg that live or die on cross-border commerce. She’s tied herself hard to the Trump anchor. I’d love to see her get pulled to the bottom with him. I haven’t seen any recent polling but I feel good about our chances up there.

Joe just endorsed Tedra Cobb, so that’s good. I gave her some $ early on; maybe need to revisit her account (can’t STAND Stefanik)

poststar.com

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piratedan  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:30:22pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

waiting for Trump to come out as Pro-Pedophelia just to lay down a marker to differentiate himself from Biden….. ///////////////

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Teukka  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:32:08pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:32:19pm

re: #72 gocart mozart

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:33:29pm

re: #70 Teddy’s Person ✌

Aww Teddy, I hope you’re feeling better today buddy. ❤️

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:33:41pm

NARAL with no fucks left to give.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:35:15pm

re: #72 gocart mozart

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:36:17pm

re: #69 Dread Pirate Ron

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and yet for more than a year and a half you worked….and said….oh why do i bother?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:40:21pm

One silver lining to the pandemic is that its rid Pelosi of her obsession with Paygo out of necessity. The Democrats need to prepare a huge relief bill to push through reconciliation asap in January.

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:42:06pm

J. Fucking. C.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:42:18pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:44:44pm

re: #81 A Mom Anon

Aww Teddy, I hope you’re feeling better today buddy. ❤️

He’s on the mend. It’s been a week since the surgery. The incision looks great and the pain is subsiding. He has an appointment on the 21st and will probably get the okay to to a little more activity.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:48:01pm

re: #88 Teddy’s Person ✌

That’s great news. He’s got the sweetest face. These dog kids, they are worth their weight in gold and sometimes cost that much.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:49:18pm

Here’s another things we can throw money at: the Democratic organization that works to get state Democrats elected got outraised their Republican counterpart by $10M, $13M to $23M.

dailykos.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:49:37pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:50:42pm

re: #84 dangerman

and yet for more than a year and a half you worked….and said….oh why do i bother?

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And walked away from trump with a cushy high paying job where he could continue inhumane trump policies.

Fuck John Kelly with a rusty chain saw.

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danarchy  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:52:29pm

re: #85 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One silver lining to the pandemic is that its rid Pelosi of her obsession with Paygo out of necessity. The Democrats need to prepare a huge relief bill to push through reconciliation asap in January.

This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but if they can get 1.8 trillion from the republicans now, they should do it. Of course it isn’t even clear the Rs will agree to that.

Then once they win the presidency, senate and house they can pass whatever supplemental funding they need to, but 3 months is a long time to wait when you are about to be evicted, especially when you have already been waiting for 3 months.

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:53:37pm

re: #84 dangerman

and yet for more than a year and a half you worked….and said….oh why do i bother?

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And it’s still not coming from Kelly—just hearsay from friends.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:54:03pm

re: #93 danarchy

This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but if they can get 1.8 trillion from the republicans now, they should do it. Of course it isn’t even clear the Rs will agree to that.

Then once they win the presidency, senate and house they can pass whatever supplemental funding they need to, but 3 months is a long time to wait when you are about to be evicted, especially when you have already been waiting for 3 months.

As long as it doesn’t include the “businesses don’t have to be responsible for their employees getting covid” part, I agree.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2020 • 1:56:41pm

re: #84 dangerman

Former WH COS John Kelly has told friends, about Trump: “The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life.”

What John Kelly needs to realize is that Trump is the Spiritual Leader and True Voice of the Pig-People. There is no distinction to be made between Republicans and Trumpists.

Nothing in Trump’s corrupternment is fundamentally different than the corrupternment of the W Bush administration. The Bushies just had better cover stories and a much better front man.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:00:06pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:01:20pm

OFFS. Is the key to Trumpism arrogance or stupidity?

Mercedes Schlapp, an adviser on President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign, defended her widely-mocked comparison of Joe Biden to Mr. Rogers.
“We love Mr. Rogers, but I gotta tell you, those puppets were always a little freaky when I was growing up,” she said on Fox News Friday morning.

thewrap.com

Glad she tamped that brushfire down.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:01:56pm

re: #95 Belafon

That seems to be the thing McConnell’s paymasters really want him to get done. To hell with the rest of us.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:04:45pm

I hated Mr. Rogers when I was a kid. I love him now. I was probably a pretty unpleasant kid.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:05:16pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

She needs to be followed by people wearing red zip up cardigans singing It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood wherever she goes forever. And the puppets were not freaky, Daniel Striped Tiger? King Friday? Really?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:05:45pm

re: #100 Barefoot Grin

I hated Mr. Rogers when I was a kid. I love him now. I was probably a pretty unpleasant kid.

You just needed more Make-Believe.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:06:10pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

All puppets and all clowns are creepy. This is not a useful analysis.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:07:55pm

re: #55 Dr. Matt

Someone bought a [beat-up] 1958 Les Paul on the Goodwill website. These can fetch up to and beyond $200,000 if owned by someone famous.

He’s going to document its restoration.

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How much did he end up paying for it?

I’d rock that guitar all day long.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:08:31pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

You just needed more Make-Believe.

Maybe, or I heard this stuff coming from my brother’s stereo:

like a true nature’s child
we were all born to be wild
we can climb so high
I never wanna die

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:09:15pm

re: #101 A Mom Anon

She needs to be followed by people wearing red zip up cardigans singing It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood wherever she goes forever. And the puppets were not freaky, Daniel Striped Tiger? King Friday? Really?

Lady Elaine Fairchild, on the other hand .

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:09:37pm

And now the corrupted court is going to allow Trump to rig the census count per Washington Post news alert.

washingtonpost.com

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:13:55pm

re: #103 Colère Tueur de Lapin

All puppets and all clowns are creepy. This is not a useful analysis.

A poignant moment from Jim Henson’s Muppet Show - Time In A Bottle

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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:14:36pm

re: #72 gocart mozart

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Two things.
One, his brain was’t fed to a cat, it was transplanted.

And two the cat’s name is “Bill”.

I think Bill got the worse of the deal.
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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:18:49pm

re: #89 A Mom Anon

That’s great news. He’s got the sweetest face. These dog kids, they are worth their weight in gold and sometimes cost that much.

I’m very lucky to have an awesome dad. I called him while waiting to be seen at the emergency vet when he first dislocated his hip. The first thing he said was that whatever it cost, he would pay it and that I wasn’t to worry about the expense. I would have raided my savings to pay for it, but man it took away a lot of stress knowing I didn’t have to.

Like I said, my dad is the best.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:19:01pm

re: #107 🌹UOJB!

And now the corrupted court is going to allow Trump to rig the census count per Washington Post news alert.

washingtonpost.com

The Democrats can claim a new census is a jobs bill.

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John Hughes  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:20:39pm

re: #21 NetworkKed

Ugh. MSNBC now with a “TIGHTENING” chyron

Arseholes are puckering.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:21:51pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

OFFS. Is the key to Trumpism arrogance or stupidity?

thewrap.com

Glad she tamped that brushfire down.

A grown-ass man tarts himself up in day-glo orange make-up that doesn’t appear in nature but puppets are freaky. SMDH

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:22:05pm

re: #93 danarchy

This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but if they can get 1.8 trillion from the republicans now, they should do it. Of course it isn’t even clear the Rs will agree to that.

Then once they win the presidency, senate and house they can pass whatever supplemental funding they need to, but 3 months is a long time to wait when you are about to be evicted, especially when you have already been waiting for 3 months.

mixed feelings
and i hear you

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:24:37pm

re: #110 Teddy’s Person ✌

When Abby was fighting cancer a few years back, my in laws sent us 1K to cover all the tests and meds to make her comfortable in her last weeks. I still miss that goofy dog. Shhh, don’t tell Cleo…

I think she heard us, damn it.
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:26:07pm

Understand this about those who think “Mr. Rogers” is a slur: they are desiring a strong-man, ultimate male dominance hero.

This is why Trump in his ignorant arrogance appeals to them - they want to believe in the ultimate male as being ultimate dominant.

The lack of humanity that is characteristic of Trump, as John Kelly has observed of Trump, is the very thing that draws Trumpers to Trump.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:28:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:29:19pm

re: #116 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Understand this about those who think “Mr. Rogers” is a slur: they are desiring a strong-man, ultimate male dominance hero.

This is why Trump in his ignorant arrogance appeals to them - they want to believe in the ultimate male as being ultimate dominant.

The lack of humanity that is characteristic of Trump, as John Kelly has observed of Trump, is the very thing that draws Trumpers to Trump.

For an ultimate male dominant, he sure is taken with big, weepy guys crying on him. NTTAWWT.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:32:14pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate Ron

A firing range might be one of the least-good places for a racial insult.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:35:06pm
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:36:14pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:37:11pm

re: #121 dangerman

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Philly I saw. Fun fact we’ve never had a President from the Philly metro area.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:37:53pm

re: #121 dangerman

GOOD NEWS : @BarackObama is traveling to PENNSYLVANIA next Wednesday to CAMPAIGN on behalf of @JoeBiden.

Betting he doesn’t insult Mr. Rogers.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:43:08pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:43:09pm

re: #121 dangerman

Did he do this in 2016?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:43:46pm

re: #21 NetworkKed

Ugh. MSNBC now with a “TIGHTENING” chyron.

Flipped to 538 and it’s still 10.5% and 13-87. Fucking media.

Identify NBC’s GRU handlers and deport their ass. \maybe

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danarchy  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:47:56pm

California is allowing the republican unofficial ballot boxes with a few additional safeguards.

politico.com

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:48:11pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:52:42pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:53:19pm
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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:54:40pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

OFFS. Is the key to Trumpism arrogance or stupidity?

thewrap.com

Glad she tamped that brushfire down.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 2:57:24pm

re: #82 BeachDem

NARAL with no fucks left to give.

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Maybe I should send schumer a copy of my letter to DiFi.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:03:39pm

MSNBC has been MOS all day so far on my work teevee. Every other channel has audio. Weird and annoying. Whattaya want me to do - work?!?!

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The Pie Overlord!  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:04:20pm

This new Lincoln Project, IJCE

Trump TV

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:04:53pm

re: #100 Barefoot Grin

I hated Mr. Rogers when I was a kid. I love him now. I was probably a pretty unpleasant kid.

I was just too old when he started, so I never watched him. And now I’m old enough to appreciate him, but much too old to watch his shows.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:06:18pm

re: #135 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

I was just too old when he started, so I never watched him. And now I’m old enough to appreciate him, but much too old to watch his shows.

Me too.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:12:03pm

re: #117 Dread Pirate Ron

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Too bad the white guy didn’t call out, “”Yes, sir! Here I am!”

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(((Archangel1)))  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:13:11pm
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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:14:36pm

And while the yam’s rally crowd screams “Lock (whoever) up” and he goes on endlessly about Hunter Biden bullshit…

The State Department says it has about 450 pages of records showing government spending at President Trump’s properties. But this week, it signaled that it plans to release only two of those pages before the November election…

Also this week, the General Services Administration — responding to a Post public-records request about its own business relationship with Trump’s company — released 26 pages of internal documents with only 10 words total. The rest was redacted.

washingtonpost.com

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:15:25pm
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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:22:02pm

re: #127 danarchy

California is allowing the republican unofficial ballot boxes with a few additional safeguards.

politico.com

I remember in 2018 (I was canvassing in the Central Valley) some of the other groups came back with ballots filled out by the people they’d canvassed, and there were some complicated rules to it, so I’m not surprised that they turn out to have been skirting the law rather than flouting it. Nevertheless, the California repugs are assumed to be acting in bad faith until proven otherwise.

In other news, DT has reversed the denial of FEMA aid for the wildfire-struck areas of CA. Good news.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:27:08pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:29:23pm

This couldn’t be a coincidence, right?

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:32:12pm

Why does George Allen come to mind? (hoping Perdue suffers the same fate)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:35:18pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:38:14pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:38:18pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

An acquaintance of mine lost her gig as Mother Jones’ office manager earlier this year because they couldn’t afford to keep her employed.

This makes my blood boil.

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retired cynic  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:44:16pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:45:10pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

The first of many such announcements I am sure.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 16, 2020 • 3:47:42pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

Sometimes you just have to let them put their hand on the hot stove.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:00:35pm

re: #5 Jay C

CL’d from last thread (Trump tweet bitching about Sen. Susan Collins):

It wasn’t even Maine but I can’t be bothered to google the fact check.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:02:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:03:31pm

re: #152 jaunte

I seem to remember something in the Bible about what happens to folks who get taken in by False prophets…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:03:46pm

re: #135 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

I was just too old when he started, so I never watched him. And now I’m old enough to appreciate him, but much too old to watch his shows.

I am 55. I lived in Quincy, Il when PBS was launched, and I remember that a couple of schools combined their kindergartens (I think that was my age) and we all went to a gym to watch on a small b/w monitor. Not sure if that lasted or was a one-off. By the time I was 7 or 8 I wanted shows like “Wild, Wild, West” in the afternoons and “Johnny Quest” on Saturday mornings. Add a little sugar and I was a pest.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:04:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:05:14pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

It wasn’t even Maine but I can’t be bothered to google the fact check.

Ah, I see BeachDem got it at #12

Never mind!

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:05:46pm

Interesting thing I actually was shocked to hear “revealed” on the TV news tonite: former Gov. Chris Christie had been in the ICU over his COVID infection - For a week -
And then going on TV to mump about how “wrong” he was to have not worn a mask….

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:07:54pm

😃😃

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:08:13pm

re: #157 Jay C

I would like him to divulge how much it costs to spend a week in an ICU, and how he managed to pay for it.

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gwangung  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:08:59pm

re: #152 jaunte

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Golden calf.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:14:01pm

re: #159 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I would like him to divulge how much it costs to spend a week in an ICU, and how he managed to pay for it.

Generous healthcare benefits as a former State employee?.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:16:07pm

New polls today have Harrison +2 over Graham and Hegar only 3 behind Cornyn. I’m not saying they are going to win, but with 2.5 weeks to go and flush with cash, I predict there will be more than one major upsets in Senate races. Biden is going to need all the help he can get from Democratic Senators next year, because the GOP is going to obstruct his agenda in every way they can.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:18:10pm

re: #161 Jay C

I just want him to say it out loud. A vast number of Americans, even though they’re “insured”, would be financially nullified by such a thing.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:21:56pm

re: #162 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And when they do, Democrats need to get up and tell the American people exactly what they are doing and why. “The Republican are blocking COVID relief over protecting big businesses from being at all liable if employees get sick. How is that helping you get back to work safely?” Call them directly on their shit. Give out their damned office phone numbers so we can call them and demand better. No more nice guy bullshit.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:24:01pm

re: #163 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I just want him to say it out loud. A vast number of Americans, even though they’re “insured”, would be financially nullified by such a thing.

Yeah, I was in ER overnight and that was a $5k hit or so after insurance. Realistically Christie paid whatever the max out of pocket expense per year is for his plan, and I imagine many insurance plans don’t have this essential feature.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:24:47pm

I had started thinking this too. Don’t be surprised to see more “leaks” like this and other ways to BOTH distance from Trump and lay the austerity trap for Biden.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:25:35pm

re: #164 A Mom Anon

And when they do, Democrats need to get up and tell the American people exactly what they are doing and why. “The Republican are blocking COVID relief over protecting big businesses from being at all liable if employees get sick. How is that helping you get back to work safely?” Call them directly on their shit. Give out their damned office phone numbers so we can call them and demand better. No more nice guy bullshit.

One change for the better if Democrats take the Senate is to put DiFi out to pasture in terms of committee assignments. We can’t have a Vichy Democrat as the Judiciary Chair.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:26:19pm

re: #164 A Mom Anon

And when they do, Democrats need to get up and tell the American people exactly what they are doing and why. “The Republican are blocking COVID relief over protecting big businesses from being at all liable if employees get sick. How is that helping you get back to work safely?” Call them directly on their shit. Give out their damned office phone numbers so we can call them and demand better. No more nice guy bullshit.

What will be irritating will be the GOP and the media getting all concerned about the budget deficit again, when they couldn’t have cared less as they voted massive tax cuts for corporations and billionaires.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:28:14pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:31:27pm

re: #168 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of course they will. But Dems need to make sure they stay on message and drive home the point that they are spending tax dollars on the American people and THEIR needs in their communities, unlike the Republicans who seem to enjoy the suffering of others.

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aatharuv  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:35:09pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

Yeah, I was in ER overnight and that was a $5k hit or so after insurance. Realistically Christie paid whatever the max out of pocket expense per year is for his plan, and I imagine many insurance plans don’t have this essential feature.

Max out of pocket expenses are great if you’re trying to fight off hundreds of thousands of dollars of expenses and trying not to lose your house, and you have cash to spare.

They’re not great if you don’t have the cash to spare, or worse, one or more of the providers is out-of-network, and even in non-emergency situations, they refuse to tell you whether any of the contractors is out-of-network.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:37:45pm

re: #165 EPR-radar

Personal sob story incoming, you have been warned:

My lower wisdom teeth never gave me any trouble until they did, and I found myself in my 40s needing to get them yanked. They weren’t sideways or infected or decayed or anything unusual, but they were causing extremely painful gum problems in their vicinity, so I was persuaded by my regular dentist that they should come out.

Long story short, my employer-provided dental insurance claimed in print that 80% of the cost of the procedure would be covered. Lo and behold, when the bill came due, suddenly they were only paying 20%. If I wanted to know why, I was instructed to call 1-800-GO-FUCK-YOURSELF which went directly to voicemail. I left several requests for a callback that of course never happened. I kept trying for about 2 months before giving up. I am fortunate that I was able to grudgingly piss away that amount of money. I am lucky that this was not 6-figure brain surgery or something along that line.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:41:11pm

re: #172 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Dental and mental health insurance should have never been allowed to be separated from health insurance. It’s such bullshit that we’ve been conditioned to think it’s supposed to be this expensive, when no other country has procedures or drugs this expensive.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:42:10pm

re: #173 A Mom Anon

Dental and mental health insurance should have never been allowed to be separated from health insurance. It’s such bullshit that we’ve been conditioned to think it’s supposed to be this expensive, when no other country has procedures or drugs this expensive.

👆👆 THIS 👆👆

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:44:02pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

I seem to remember something in the Bible about what happens to folks who get taken in by False prophets…

Trump is the fucking Antichrist.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:46:34pm

re: #157 Jay C

Interesting thing I actually was shocked to hear “revealed” on the TV news tonite: former Gov. Chris Christie had been in the ICU over his COVID infection - For a week -
And then going on TV to mump about how “wrong” he was to have not worn a mask….

I said this yesterday… Maybe the day before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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bratwurst  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:48:36pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:48:53pm

re: #173 A Mom Anon

Dental and mental health insurance should have never been allowed to be separated from health insurance. It’s such bullshit that we’ve been conditioned to think it’s supposed to be this expensive, when no other country has procedures or drugs this expensive.

And vision!

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:50:57pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:51:12pm

Jones leading Tuberville!

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bratwurst  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:51:39pm
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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 4:58:06pm

re: #159 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I would like him to divulge how much it costs to spend a week in an ICU, and how he managed to pay for it.

When my mom had her stroke, more than 30 years ago, it was $2000/day (plus the doctors got paid an hourly rate).And they didn’t have anywhere near the machinery available today. I’m sure it’s considerably more now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:00:02pm

You’ve loved the e-cards, let it be known that there is an actual book:

The book is available.
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:02:10pm

An hour to go and we have 70,188 new cases and 909 new deaths.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:03:49pm
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John Hughes  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:06:47pm

re: #33 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Zimbabwe, south Africa and so on, don’t count?

Funny how people who talk about the “Anglosphere” always forget those countries…

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:08:31pm

re: #185 jaunte

Black Republicans seem to be especially fuckwitted, even grading on a wingnut curve.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:10:13pm

re: #186 John Hughes

Because Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Zimbabwe, south Africa and so on, don’t count?

Funny how people who talk about the “Anglosphere” always forget those countries…

Probably a holdover from old-time definitions when “Anglo” meant “White”…

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:10:29pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:12:28pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:13:58pm
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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:16:15pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

Jones is actually a democrat. He’s been in the news for having a bigger security detail than any other member of the legislature costing taxpayers 250K a year. He was told to cut back on the size of the detail but didn’t get in trouble. He also had a huge lawsuit for discrimination that dragged on for years and cost Dekalb county a fortune. He’s a shitty Democrat, let the GOP have him.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:18:20pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:20:52pm

re: #192 A Mom Anon

Jones is actually a democrat. He’s been in the news for having a bigger security detail than any other member of the legislature costing taxpayers 250K a year. He was told to cut back on the size of the detail but didn’t get in trouble. He also had a huge lawsuit for discrimination that dragged on for years and cost Dekalb county a fortune. He’s a shitty Democrat, let the GOP have him.

He already counts as a Republican IMO, having publicly supported Trump’s reelection despite presently being a D House member.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:22:58pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

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Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-men’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn by the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”

—Lincoln’s 2nd inaugural address

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:23:44pm

re: #180 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Jones leading Tuberville!

Sshhhh. We don’t want them to hear us coming. We are 2 points behind.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:24:45pm

Carlson and Levine are very upset that Biden wasn’t asked about Emails, LOL. The MSM isn’t cooperating with the treason, and they are pissed off about it!

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:29:38pm

re: #170 A Mom Anon

Of course they will. But Dems need to make sure they stay on message and drive home the point that they are spending tax dollars on the American people and THEIR needs in their communities, unlike the Republicans who seem to enjoy the suffering of others.

When they start talking about deficits, remind them that they voted for them — to enrich the wealthy. Now they can just STFD and STFU.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:31:07pm

Listening to the Hamilton soundtrack to get ready for tonight’s Hamilton Townhall for Biden.

🎵What’s ya name, man?🎵

🎶Alexander Hamilton.
My name is Alexander Hamilton.
And there’s a million things I haven’t done.
But just you wait, just you, wait.🎶

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:31:59pm

re: #199 Teddy’s Person ✌

Listening to the Hamilton soundtrack to get ready for tonight’s Hamilton Townhall for Biden.

🎵What’s ya name, man?🎵

🎶Alexander Hamilton.
My name is Alexander Hamilton.
And there’s a million things I haven’t done.
But just you wait, just you, wait.🎶

I’m watching the clock like every three minutes.

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:32:30pm

re: #200 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m watching the clock like every three minutes.

It’s so exciting!!!!

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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:34:36pm

For all the Hamilton fans in lizardville, there is a show on Netflix called Song Explorers. One of the half-hour episodes is LMM and company talking about writing the song, “Wait for It.”

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:34:55pm

re: #192 A Mom Anon

Jones is actually a democrat. He’s been in the news for having a bigger security detail than any other member of the legislature costing taxpayers 250K a year. He was told to cut back on the size of the detail but didn’t get in trouble. He also had a huge lawsuit for discrimination that dragged on for years and cost Dekalb county a fortune. He’s a shitty Democrat, let the GOP have him.

Or the grim reaper, if he keeps up with that crap.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:36:10pm
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bratwurst  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:42:38pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:45:04pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:46:24pm

re: #204 Dread Pirate Ron

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The rightwing media are all on message promoting the treason, but unlike Comey when he dropped his letter, they have no credibility outside the cult, so unless they can get more MSM amplifying it, its not going to have any impact on the race.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:50:19pm

This Instagram has got me thinking snow.

Instagram

My fresh set of @sidecuttuning ski tools arrived! I’ve been very impressed with the precision, design, material and ergonomics of the file guides, sidewall and top sheet remover plus quality files, stones and brushes. Every item they have is World Cup level at a reasonable price. This kit with a little time spent on the wax bench will have my kid’s, my own skis and your’s ripping as they were built to perform!
If you tune your own skis or do basic maintenance I’d highly recommend #sidecuttuning #skitools
Once you prep or have your skis prepped by a professional at a ski shop, a quick touch up daily or every few times on snow with the right tools and knowledge goes a long way. Sidecut has all the educational videos on YouTube for instruction.

I’ve tuned my skis all the way up to my World Cup career and spent time hanging in the wax room with my factory ski techs. Now I tune my own skis almost daily and my kid’s @atomicski race skis every time they are on snow.
Taking it to the next level, I’ll be hosting free 1hr workshops showing how to use these tools and offering a discount on product from Sidecut and Wend Wax. Wend Wax is trusted by me and used by @usskiteam Alpine World Cup racers like @tommyford @rc.s @riverradamus and more.

Did you know???
Tommy Ford took his first @fisalpine using WEND at 2019 @bcworldcup GS .

The First Workshop will be this Saturday Oct 17th 4pm PDT in Truckee for a few locals and on Zoom for anyone else. This coincides as the @fisalpine tour kicks off the women’s and men’s GS in @soelden.official this weekend!
For those who want to join this Saturday 4pm PDT on Zoom. Link is in my IG profile.

More dates and locations TBD, will be posted on my IG

#wendwaxworks @wendwaxworks #waxedbywend #skifaster #sidecutskitools #tuneyourskis #skitowin #learntotune #waxthecompetition #weareskiing

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:51:26pm

re: #207 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The rightwing media are all on message promoting the treason, but unlike Comey when he dropped his letter, they have no credibility outside the cult, so unless they can get more MSM amplifying it, its not going to have any impact on the race.

You’re right. This is the difference from 2016. BUTTER EMAILS was a resounding concern from every media outlet, amplifying the residual anti-Clinton sentiment and creating enough doubt for Trump to slip by in a minority victory. Biden has no such pre-existing sentiment against him, and Trump’s October Surprise is gaining no purchase in the mainstream media. Nobody cares except for people who were already kissing Trump’s ass.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:52:12pm

re: #205 bratwurst

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:55:09pm
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CarolJ  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:20:35pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

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