Something You Won’t See Every Day: Lachy Doley, “Voodoo Child” (On the Whammy Clavinet))

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Jimi Hendrix’s legendary tune VOODOO CHILD performed by Lachy Doley on the Whammy Clavinet #whammyclav on April 21, 2021

You can Pre-Order this album now on Vinyl/Cd or Download at lachydoley.com/301

@Lachy Doley - Whammy Clavinet, Vocals
Joel Burton - Bass
Jackie Barnes - Drums
Vincent Sebastion - Percussion

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304 comments
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dharmamark  Aug 25, 2021 • 10:55:07am

That was wild.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 10:57:33am

Cancel culture at far left social media app
GETTR.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 10:58:45am

Can someone remind who it was that was responsible for starting all this Ivermectin bullshit in the first place?

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:00:34am

When I see this, all I can think of is Keith Emerson and that he would totally dig this approach.

Keith Emerson stabs knives in his Hammond-1971

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:01:04am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Can someone remind who it was that was responsible for starting all this Ivermectin bullshit in the first place?

It was based on the pre-print publication of a dubious study, which got picked up by the rabid anti-vaxxer right and swiftly distributed. The study was later found to be partially plagiarized and was withdrawn, but the damage was done; people are now dying because they’re taking massive doses of a drug that may not even help them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:02:21am
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:03:52am

From upstairs:

re: #384 A Mom Anon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:03:52am

re: #5 Dopamine Fish

It was based on the pre-print publication of a dubious study, which got picked up by the rabid anti-vaxxer right and swiftly distributed. The study was later found to be partially plagiarized and was withdrawn, but the damage was done; people are now dying because they’re taking massive doses of a drug that may not even help them.

Well that will make it more challenging to figure out whose ass I got to kick for all of this.

/

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:04:02am
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jaunte  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:04:54am

“Whammy Clavinet: The Funkiest way to Funk up your Funky Funk.”
chicagoelectricpiano.com

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BeachDem  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:05:20am

If this doesn’t give you nightmares, you’re a stronger person than I am. (Gene Ho is running for mayor of Myrtle Beach—scary dude)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:06:25am

re: #9 No Malarkey!

TN has a population of about 7 million.

That means 1 in 7, or about 14.2% of the people in that state have had COVID. I am aware out of state cases they treat and one person getting infected more than once do factor in to the numbers, but still.

Also bear in mind the actual infection rate is probably MUCH higher because of all the non-reported/misreported cases.

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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:08:39am

From Downstairs:
re: #336 A Mom Anon

I meant to ask you how is trip is going/went. Hope he’s having fun and doing well.

He went out on the 14th and left to come back on the 21st arriving Monday in Tomah where his mom picked him and his friend from out there up and they’re camping at a favorite place from his childhood. Everything seems to have gone well and I presume he’s had a good time. When he get’s back to home, I’ll sit down and chat with him about it.

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JC1  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:08:44am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

TN has a population of about 7 million.

That means 1 in 7, or about 14.2% of the people in that state have had COVID. I am aware out of state cases they treat and one person getting infected more than once do factor in to the numbers, but still.

I imagine that the real number is quite higher. Not everyone who had a mild case would have gotten tested.

Edited addition: over 13k dead. Given that we have somewhat useful treatments now, the IFR is probably less than 1%, so I’d guestimate that between 1.5 and 2 million actually had covid in TN.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:09:27am

The Alabama state government is finally taking a pro-active approach to CV-19. They are prepositioning mobile morgues to the Mobile area.

Space for the dead: Temporary morgues sent to two south Alabama counties for COVID deaths
al.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:10:57am

That whammy bar is a little distracting, couldn’t he us a foot pedal?

edited.

I noticed at the beginning he does. I am quite impressed, thank you Charles.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:11:43am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:13:46am
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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:15:09am
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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:15:16am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but being Americans, we’ll forget it by Thanksgiving.

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KingKenrod  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:15:27am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I think a lot of people will remember it as “that time I didn’t get murdered by the Taliban”.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:17:41am

re: #7 Dopamine Fish

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Dopamine Fish  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:19:48am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

The media will remember it as a very dark period, because they are bloodthirsty war hawks.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:20:26am

So… we now have a target number? Why were all these people still there when they’ve had warnings since April to bug out?

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:24:29am

re: #24 lawhawk

So… we now have a target number? Why were all these people still there when they’ve had warnings since April to bug out?

Who would want to stay?

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:25:18am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

The Alabama state government is finally taking a pro-active approach to CV-19. They are prepositioning mobile morgues to the Mobile area.

Space for the dead: Temporary morgues sent to two south Alabama counties for COVID deaths
al.com

It’s a shame there is absolutely nothing they can do to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:27:14am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:27:48am

re: #17 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Gorski also pointed out that the researchers, despite claiming to have no conflicts of interest, are affiliated with BIRD (British Ivermectin Recommendation Development) Group.

BIRD describes itself as “campaigning for the safe medicine ivermectin to be approved to prevent and cure COVID-19 around the world.”

Annnd that explains it.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:28:50am

Murderer pardoned by Matt Bevin after his family made a large donation to his campaign convicted of federal murder charges.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:35:31am

re: #24 lawhawk

Ummm… maybe not?

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:35:58am

re: #24 lawhawk

Ummm… maybe not?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:36:51am

re: #31 lawhawk

Oof. Pretty damn important thing to get wrong.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:37:14am

re: #27 Rightwingconspirator

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true as long as it ignores all the tribal and relational dynamics

afghanistan wasnt for those 20 years, isnt now, and never was a single monolithic unified thing (house) that just needed to clean up its act, as it were

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Citizen K  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:40:35am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:44:06am

Stone uncanceled.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:44:31am

re: #34 Citizen K

Racists gonna racist.

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Mattand  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:47:16am

re: #25 Belafon

Who would want to stay?

Right wing Christian missionaries who want to be martyrs.

Fucking guarantee they make up at least 5% of the Americans staying behind.

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Mattand  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:49:02am

re: #34 Citizen K

Is the person being sarcastic or for real? I literally can’t tell.

The “4ever Never Trumper” doesn’t help, because if they are a GOP Never Trumper, that gang still reflexively blames Democrats for everything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:49:25am
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piratedan  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:50:40am

re: #37 Mattand

and there are certain people who consider themselves citizens of the world, who work with agricultural concerns and civic projects that would be reluctant to go as well (boostrap peace corps types).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:50:53am
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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:52:11am

re: #38 Mattand

Is the person being sarcastic or for real? I literally can’t tell.

The “4ever Never Trumper” doesn’t help, because if they are a GOP Never Trumper, that gang still reflexively blames Democrats for everything.

They’re being sarcastic.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:52:26am

Good thread on kids and Covid.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:54:08am

re: #26 No Malarkey!

It’s a shame there is absolutely nothing they can do to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.

There’s really nothing the Alabama leadership can do about it.

‘Cuz they’re idiots.

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BeachDem  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:56:38am

Bad move imo. Nothing to gain—much to lose.

NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: LESTER HOLT TO INTERVIEW U.S. CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER RESPONSIBLE FOR SHOOTING & KILLING ASHLI BABBITT DURING JAN. 6 ATTACK

press.nbcnews.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 11:59:43am

re: #25 Belafon

Who would want to stay?

Might be doctors and humanitarian aid or education people who feel that staying might help the people they are working with.

Or Christian missionaries who think God will protect them.*

* - Different context, but there is the missionary character in _The Sand Pebbles_ who does not want to be rescued by the Navy and that by renouncing his US citizenship that the Chinese revolutionaries would have no reason to take umbrage at him or his mission.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:00:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:01:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:02:16pm
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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:03:07pm

re: #23 Dopamine Fish

The media will remember it as a very dark period, because they are bloodthirsty war hawks.

Yeah. they love beating the war drums so that brainwashed suckers like my son go and die in place of their kids.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:08:32pm
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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:08:46pm

So, anyone familiar with contact tracing? I just tried rattling a CoViDiots cage a little:

You probably are in those contact tracing databases already.
Like, the way contact tracing works here, is that they ask the patient who they were in contact with in a way that could transmit the disease, tell you to inform them, then given X amount of time, send out a letter to those who didn’t get tested, if they come, they interview, if not, they try legal sleuthing techniques.
Basically, every person who spreads the disease tends to have a lot of cases all mentioning them, and a “Typhoid Mary” type of case leaves a red streak in the visualization…
Like, the same reason cops ID some people who watch a crime or accident scene, because it’s a known pattern that some criminals do stay behind as “witnesses”. And if a person pops up too many times around a crime scene of specific type. :makes sound of rat trap triggering:
So I can totally understand a foreign intel service who is amping antivaxxery etc. trying to gain access to SMINet (Swedish Contact Tracing Network), most likely to get enough information to see whether the tactics have the desired effect in number of cases, or trying to find individuals they can pressure into becoming assets (less likely).
Like, if someones name keeps popping up in contact tracing, and further examination shows that said individual is also a spreader of disinformation or misinformation, it is going to provoke curiosity….

The above is roughly how they do it here, how is it in the US?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:10:37pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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ckkatz  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:10:44pm

re: #24 lawhawk

My understanding is that the US really has no idea how many American citizens are still in Afghanistan.

The working number had been 10,000-15,000. With 4000 evacuated, I doubt that the State Department knows how many remain.

Certainly, it is to the Administration’s benefit to try to move the discussion to a lower number. And for the Republicans to work towards as high a number as possible.

As mentioned by others, there are a number of general groups who will remain.

I suspect that the largest group are the dual US-Afghani citizens and US citizen spouses of Afghani citizens plus their families. They have a support network in place, may be assimilated into Afghan society, and likely have more motivation to remain in place.

NGO folks are probably the next largest group. I am assuming that contract workers have generally been evacuated.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:10:48pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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a lot of post hoc justifying doing some heavy lifting there:
imagine congress debating way back then before going in so that a “generation of girls can experience freedoms that they otherwise wouldn’t have”

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bratwurst  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:11:10pm

So not only did the American occupying force in Afghanistan fail to establish durable civil institutions in that country, they also failed to keep track of the thousands of Americans they brought into the country for no apparent reason.

Thank goodness we are pulling the plug on this shit.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:11:28pm

re: #45 BeachDem

Bad move imo. Nothing to gain—much to lose.

NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: LESTER HOLT TO INTERVIEW U.S. CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER RESPONSIBLE FOR SHOOTING & KILLING ASHLI BABBITT DURING JAN. 6 ATTACK

press.nbcnews.com

That is very brave of him. Even reckless. A lot of dangerous people want him dead.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:15:29pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Unmasked
Unmuzzled
Unvaccinated
Unafraid
& Unalive

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:16:07pm

re: #55 Dangerman

a lot of post hoc justifying doing some heavy lifting there:
imagine congress debating way back then before going in so that a “generation of girls can experience freedoms that they otherwise wouldn’t have”

Until recently, women weren’t allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. We didn’t go to war with them.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:16:10pm

re: #33 Dangerman

true as long as it ignores all the tribal and relational dynamics

afghanistan wasnt for those 20 years, isnt now, and never was a single monolithic unified thing (house) that just needed to clean up its act, as it were

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Monolithic was and is not required though. Unless perhaps you are the Taliban. Just a cursory glance shows us Afghanistan has different ethnicities and religions. There was always going to be remote and also citified. Mountains and plains.

Right now the Taliban has the same chance to be as extreme as their reputation, or have a more progressive approach at least for some. They can abuse the female half of the population, or not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:17:02pm
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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:17:14pm

Rep. Alex Mooney (R-WV) “spent thousands of campaign dollars on personal expenses, including numerous fast food meals and family excursions to West Virginia resorts, while failing to properly report more than $40,000 in expenditures,” Roll Call reports.

“It is unclear what the House Ethics Committee will do to discipline Mooney, if anything. Sanctions could range from no punishment to a recommendation that the full House vote for expulsion, the latter of which is unlikely.”

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:17:23pm

re: #25 Belafon

Who would want to stay?

Someone who’s been there since age 5, all their friends and maybe a wife and kids are there. Someone who couldn’t possibly have a wife in a country with equal rights. Someone who’s the best-educated “wise man” for 100 miles around, but would be mediocre in any American city.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:19:15pm

re: #20 Belafon

Yeah, but being Americans, we’ll forget it by Thanksgiving Friday.

FTFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:19:36pm
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:20:07pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:20:22pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:20:24pm

re: #62 Dangerman

WV is losing a Congressional seat, and there is no democrat to eliminate, so maybe they will take his district out.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:21:18pm

re: #62 Dangerman

point is its either campaign contributions - ‘misappropriated’ and so need to be repaid in full

or it’s income, fully taxable, and likely was not reported at all

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:21:21pm

re: #55 Dangerman

I frankly don’t give an aerodynamic intercourse aimed at Earth’s natural satellite what those Pre$$titute$ are saying about the withdrawal.

If they want war that bad then do the Michael Kelly thing and embed with the front line. Kelly beat the war drums endlessly and wound up killed in action.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:22:07pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ugh. This is a huge mistake. They forget Sirhan violently and irrevocably changed what might have been.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:22:48pm

My goodness look at the Xtian Compassion shown on that TexAss T-Shirt!

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:23:04pm

re: #62 Dangerman

Fox News gig after he resigns. The money is so much better.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:23:17pm

re: #69 Dangerman

point is its either campaign contributions - ‘misappropriated’ and so need to be repaid in full

or it’s income, fully taxable, and likely was not reported at all

further point is $40k is more than a lot of hard working people make in a year

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:23:59pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:26:20pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s what libertarianism does for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:26:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:27:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:27:56pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:28:52pm

re: #72 JOE 🥓

My goodness look at the Xtian Compassion shown on that TexAss T-Shirt!

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Start with Ted Cruz.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:29:53pm
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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:30:25pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

And still I have to explain to people that there comes a time when certain people (read: CoViDiots) become such a menace to public health that TPTB (in the good sense) decide enough is enough and force begins to be applied.
Sure, I would prefer people voluntarily masked, washed hands, sanitized hands, distanced, and stayed the fuck at home when having symptoms consistent with the ‘rona, but failing that you do need to protect the public somehow.

I hope that one fallouts of the CoViD debacle is closer scrutiny of the antivaxxers, snake oil salesmen, their enablers, their panderers…

Any other good wishes for outcomes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:30:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:32:05pm

McCarthy is a moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:32:44pm
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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:34:51pm

re: #80 The Pie Overlord!

Start with Ted Cruz.

Didn’t he run off to Cancun again?

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:35:43pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“and I don’t like being told what I have to do.”

good for you. you got your wish.

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:35:54pm

re: #55 Dangerman

a lot of post hoc justifying doing some heavy lifting there:
imagine congress debating way back then before going in so that a “generation of girls can experience freedoms that they otherwise wouldn’t have”

Before 9/11, a number of women’s groups had A LOT to say about the plight of Afghan women. Conservatives didn’t want to hear it; “none of our business”, “we can’t be expected to change other countries’ cultures”, “we’re not the policeman of the world, or the social worker of the world.”

It wasn’t until conservatives had some other reason entirely to care about Afghanistan that they noticed the existence of the women, and made them a talking point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:37:09pm

For the anti-vaxxers
“What government wants to fucking track your every thought? We don’t even want to read your shite on Facebook.”

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:37:09pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

McCarthy is a moron

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:37:12pm

Meanwhile in FloriDUMB seems that we got a phony astroturf group attacking masks!

In navy T-shirts emblazoned with “Moms for Liberty” in white lettering, a vocal group of mothers has dominated public comments at recent Florida school board meetings, condemning face masks as dangerous to children.

As heated discussions continue over mask mandates at schools, the question is, who are these mothers?

At the top, they are political strategists, risk managers and communications professionals — high-powered women with connections to top state and national Republicans, according to LinkedIn profiles and local media reports

floridaphoenix.com

In other words they’re agents for DeSADIST’s Killer Klan

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:38:20pm

re: #57 No Malarkey!

That is very brave of him. Even reckless. A lot of dangerous people want him dead.

They don’t have to identify him. They can put him in silhouette and distort the voice,

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:38:22pm

Bothsiders are so fucking tiresome.

94
Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:38:42pm

re: #81 No Malarkey!

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:40:47pm

re: #81 No Malarkey!

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“If the City attempts to impose a vaccine mandate on PBA members, we will take legal action to defend our members’ right to make such personal medical decisions.”

no one is taking away your right to make such personal medical decisions.
and i support you in that.
you make your personal medical decisions

your employer makes their employment criteria decisions
you do not get to dictate workplace conditions to them

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:41:31pm

The only logical conclusion to a 20-year war is that contractors were being allowed to make tens of billions of dollars off the war effort.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:41:33pm

re: #72 JOE 🥓

My goodness look at the Xtian Compassion shown on that TexAss T-Shirt!

Funny, I thought dominatrices were pro-mask.

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lawhawk  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:41:36pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bagram doesn’t have two runways? Wait a second. Let’s go to the maps.

Nope. Still just one runway.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:42:52pm

THAT’S IT! The MAGAtish appeal of Invermectin explained at last!
They heard it was “for parasites” and said, “Hey, that’s us.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:43:12pm
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ckkatz  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:43:51pm

From an earlier thread:

re: #122 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:45:37pm
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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:45:47pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

McCarthy is a moron

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do we need to explain to a US Rep, the minority ‘leader’, that we have a lease with cuba?

ask TFG because i guess he left that on the table in his ‘deal’ with the taliban

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:46:27pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just in time for football season.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:47:05pm

re: #88 sagehen

Before 9/11, a number of women’s groups had A LOT to say about the plights of Afghan women. Conservatives didn’t want to hear it; “none of our business”, “we can’t be expected to change other countries’ cultures”, “we’re not the policeman of the world, or the social worker of the world.”

It wasn’t until conservatives had some other reason entirely to care about Afghanistan that they noticed the existence of the women, and made them a talking point.

winner, winner

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:49:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:49:49pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is there any way to read this besides: “I want more people to die”?

Also, does this have an effect on companies that are starting to mandate vaccines? I’m really expecting some of this shit to end up in courtrooms soon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:51:04pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:51:26pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

For the anti-vaxxers
“What government wants to fucking track your every thought? We don’t even want to read your shite on Facebook.”

[Embedded content]

i thought she was taller //

i’ve never actually seen her face. not at all what i pictured*

* back in the early 90’s i worked a sort of telephone sales for about a year.
then went to a trade show and met all the folks i had been working with.
no one looked like i thought they would

it’s not so much prejudice as my brain just makes images up based on how folks sound

and it’s really bad at it

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:52:09pm

re: #72 JOE 🥓

“You mean the ones that stormed the Capitol?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:52:12pm

re: #88 sagehen

Before 9/11, a number of women’s groups had A LOT to say about the plights of Afghan women. Conservatives didn’t want to hear it; “none of our business”, “we can’t be expected to change other countries’ cultures”, “we’re not the policeman of the world, or the social worker of the world.”

Not only that but in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, they started shooting and attacking anyone in this country wearing a turban without giving two shits WHAT their actual ethnicity was.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:52:31pm

re: #91 JOE 🥓

Meanwhile in FloriDUMB seems that we got a phony astroturf group attacking masks!

In navy T-shirts emblazoned with “Moms for Liberty” in white lettering, a vocal group of mothers has dominated public comments at recent Florida school board meetings, condemning face masks as dangerous to children.

As heated discussions continue over mask mandates at schools, the question is, who are these mothers?

At the top, they are political strategists, risk managers and communications professionals — high-powered women with connections to top state and national Republicans, according to LinkedIn profiles and local media reports

floridaphoenix.com

In other words they’re agents for DeSADIST’s Killer Klan

they should be asked do they live in the district and/or have kids in the schools before being allowed to speak

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:53:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:54:05pm

re: #110 Belafon

“You mean the ones that stormed the Capitol?”

she was one of them

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:54:11pm

re: #33 Dangerman

true as long as it ignores all the tribal and relational dynamics

afghanistan wasnt for those 20 years, isnt now, and never was a single monolithic unified thing (house) that just needed to clean up its act, as it were

Yeah.

Those 20 years are contextualized by a 40 year proxy war punctuated by three invasions (Soviet, Pakistani Taliban US). And in a longer arc, about another 100 years
of proxy wars and the British invading.

Defense experts doing this whole “the Afghans won’t eat their nationhood vegetables” is identical to the language used about post-colonial Africa: ignore where the money went, ignore where the infrastructure of nation isn’t because there’s no money, ignore the team-up of local rich folks and international rich folks to make local money leave the country.

The other thing going on here is the assumption of good faith by the coalition…which is not a good assumption.

1. The history of Afghanistan has been there the entire time, and scholars on the region have been expounding on “Graveyard of Empires” for a century. That Americans—as they consistently do—are indifferent to history and culture as a thing that other people have and attempted the thing that Afghanistan is famous for resisting…they’re not the idiots. But even if we discard the pat British imagine of Pathans and jezails…these are people that have been traumatized by a century of war and a million of them died fighting the Soviets—is that context also not important if you’re planning as invasion

2. Lying continually about civilian casualties from air strikes should be a pile of flags on fire, because it means that a key component of occupied-people morale—not being randomly killed for no reason—is also suspect. The thing about insurgency is that it snowballs as the occupied people are wounded by the process of struggle…people with a grudge fight just as well as ideologues.

3. success has been measured by the worst possible metrics: how many people were killed, what dude got assassinated, what strip of land did a firefight happen over. As in Vietnam, none of these things is meaningful: insurgencies pop new units like mushrooms, leadership is lose and not based on formal training so there’s high replacablility, and Afghanistan is very large with vast gaps of wild space and mostly porous borders.

4. Britain and the USA have done exactly the same thing they’ve done in past military adventures—find some strongmen and some oligarchs and dump money on them. This never, ever works at creating a nation that can stabilize itself and delivers basic life and liberty to people, because the people at the top of society may have some kind of loyalty to nation, but they like living well and being in charge more. A bunch of money we gave to counterinsurgent allies just immediately was thrown down a hole.

5. The military industrial grift in Afghanistan and Iraq was next-level in it’s transmutation of public money into private profit. We as taxpayers paid premium prices for inferior goods because DoD officials get job as lobbyists at the DoD and manage to get no-bid contracts where there’s no oversite or penalties…which is always shameful, but in this case meant that the critical work to be done was being done poorly, cheaply, or not at all. We are absolute, 100% watching people that profited from this cycle offload that guilt onto Afghans…just like the equivalent in the BoIA did with the allotment system.

6. We have a direct comparison available in Iraq that strongly suggests that the core premises of the operation were always flawed and the guys who got us into the situation with command decisions did not know what they were talking about. Pulling these people back to the microphone to comment isn’t going to produce insight, it’s going to produce pathetic and greedy men looking to shift blame away from themselves and onto a target that your average American is willing to view as more guilty than a powerful white guy.

7. There’s the larger milieu of the US consistently making bad decisions with tinkering with the politics of countries and creating the conditions that lead to the worst possible actors being able to grasp power. If we apply the same continuity of substance to the USA as is being applied to the Afghans, then how is it not relevant that we have a terrible track record that strongly suggests we’re only willing to put in time and money to create dictators that sell their country off?

8. There’s a US cultural milieu in which we don’t ever fucking admit we fucked up. Half the country thinks we won Vietnam and a good chunk thinks we lost because hippies and pansies wouldn’t “let” the military win. Most Americans just don’t know about the Banana Wars or the Dulles Brothers, but have strong feelings about how awful and backward all those Central American countries are and why can’t they get it together. How is this different?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:57:25pm

wait, whut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:58:22pm
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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:59:03pm

re: #63 sagehen

Someone who’s been there since age 5, all their friends and maybe a wife and kids are there. Someone who couldn’t possibly have a wife in a country with equal rights. Someone who’s the best-educated “wise man” for 100 miles around, but would be mediocre in any American city.

None of which the Taliban will care about.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 25, 2021 • 12:59:51pm

re: #103 Dangerman

do we need to explain to a US Rep, the minority ‘leader’, that we have a lease with cuba?

ask TFG because i guess he left that on the table in his ‘deal’ with the taliban

[Embedded content]

Guantanamo is the kind of piratical deal Trump wishes he could make. The current lease payment on Gitmo is $4085 per year. It started at $2000 a year in gold in 1903, so various generations of Yankee plunderers have definitely gotten the better of inflation in the time since. Even beyond that, the ungrateful commies have spitefully refused to deposit our checks every year since 1960. (The ‘59 check was deposited “by mistake” according to Fidel.)

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:02:16pm

re: #109 Dangerman

i thought she was taller //

i’ve never actually seen her face. not at all what i pictured*

* back in the early 90’s i worked a sort of telephone sales for about a year.
then went to a trade show and met all the folks i had been working with.
no one looked like i thought they would

it’s not so much prejudice as my brain just makes images up based on how folks sound

and it’s really bad at it

it’s happened here as well when some of you revealed yourselves in pictures, or i learned what country you are in, or gender or whatever.

my line ‘i thought you were taller” comes from escape from l.a. and a takeoff on a walter matthau line from the taking of pelham 123 (the first one)

walter matthau also uses it on Hopscotch

now it seems to be used everywhere

it’s my way of saying, you know…

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BeachDem  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:03:18pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

They don’t have to identify him. They can put him in silhouette and distort the voice,

Except…

Speaking out and revealing his identity publicly for the first time, the officer will share his perspective on the events of that day, including the aftermath of the deadly insurrection and the threats he has received.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:03:57pm

re: #115 The Ghost of a Flea

For 20 years the Taliban was not in charge. What that meant on the ground still leaves us with how women and girls were treated. As it leaves us with religious extremists in charge of a place with very differently-minded peoples. The cynical view leaves little or no room for the people that tried to spare Afghanistan reason to support the return of the Taliban. Everyone that was not a soldier.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:07:19pm

re: #115 The Ghost of a Flea

Yeah.

Those 20 years are contextualized by a 40 year proxy war punctuated by three invasions (Soviet, Pakistani Taliban US). And in a longer arc, about another 100 years
of proxy wars and the British invading.

Defense experts doing this whole “the Afghans won’t eat their nationhood vegetables” is identical to the language used about post-colonial Africa: ignore where the money went, ignore where the infrastructure of nation isn’t because there’s no money, ignore the team-up of local rich folks and international rich folks to make local money leave the country.

The other thing going on here is the assumption of good faith by the coalition…which is not a good assumption.

1. The history of Afghanistan has been there the entire time, and scholars on the region have been expounding on “Graveyard of Empires” for a century. That Americans—as they consistently do—are indifferent to history and culture as a thing that other people have and attempted the thing that Afghanistan is famous for resisting…they’re not the idiots. But even if we discard the pat British imagine of Pathans and jezails…these are people that have been traumatized by a century of war and a million of them died fighting the Soviets—is that context also not important if you’re planning as invasion

2. Lying continually about civilian casualties from air strikes should be a pile of flags on fire, because it means that a key component of occupied-people morale—not being randomly killed for no reason—is also suspect. The thing about insurgency is that it snowballs as the occupied people are wounded by the process of struggle…people with a grudge fight just as well as ideologues.

3. success has been measured by the worst possible metrics: how many people were killed, what dude got assassinated, what strip of land did a firefight happen over. As in Vietnam, none of these things is meaningful: insurgencies pop new units like mushrooms, leadership is lose and not based on formal training so there’s high replacablility, and Afghanistan is very large with vast gaps of wild space and mostly porous borders.

4. Britain and the USA have done exactly the same thing they’ve done in past military adventures—find some strongmen and some oligarchs and dump money on them. This never, ever works at creating a nation that can stabilize itself and delivers basic life and liberty to people, because the people at the top of society may have some kind of loyalty to nation, but they like living well and being in charge more. A bunch of money we gave to counterinsurgent allies just immediately was thrown down a hole.

5. The military industrial grift in Afghanistan and Iraq was next-level in it’s transmutation of public money into private profit. We as taxpayers paid premium prices for inferior goods because DoD officials get job as lobbyists at the DoD and manage to get no-bid contracts where there’s no oversite or penalties…which is always shameful, but in this case meant that the critical work to be done was being done poorly, cheaply, or not at all. We are absolute, 100% watching people that profited from this cycle offload that guilt onto Afghans…just like the equivalent in the BoIA did with the allotment system.

6. We have a direct comparison available in Iraq that strongly suggests that the core premises of the operation were always flawed and the guys who got us into the situation with command decisions did not know what they were talking about. Pulling these people back to the microphone to comment isn’t going to produce insight, it’s going to produce pathetic and greedy men looking to shift blame away from themselves and onto a target that your average American is willing to view as more guilty than a powerful white guy.

7. There’s the larger milieu of the US consistently making bad decisions with tinkering with the politics of countries and creating the conditions that lead to the worst possible actors being able to grasp power. If we apply the same continuity of substance to the USA as is being applied to the Afghans, then how is it not relevant that we have a terrible track record that strongly suggests we’re only willing to put in time and money to create dictators that sell their country off?

8. There’s a US cultural milieu in which we don’t ever fucking admit we fucked up. Half the country thinks we won Vietnam and a good chunk thinks we lost because hippies and pansies wouldn’t “let” the military win. Most Americans just don’t know about the Banana Wars or the Dulles Brothers, but have strong feelings about how awful and backward all those Central American countries are and why can’t they get it together. How is this different?

quoted in total for all the upvotes.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:07:38pm

re: #104 Ace Rothstein

Just in time for football season.

Five games in the DFW area have already been postponed and as far as I know, none have been played yet.

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BeachDem  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:08:13pm

re: #94 Belafon

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And gee, Patrick Lynch felt quite different about his members’ right to make “personal decisions” back when…

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:08:58pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

were a big and competent admin
we can do two things at once; more even.

maybe the predecessors couldnt

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:12:45pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

The moving of the goal posts was expected. This is political and not based on logic or actual medical information.

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piratedan  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:14:12pm

re: #126 Dangerman

have to admit….

CVID vaccine rollout… so damn effective that a good majority got the shot that wanted the shot
stimulus to help turn the 1st corner on COVID - effective to a point where enough people refused the shot and left themselves out as a petri dish for COVID to evolve
infrastructure - to rebuild and modernize the US and bring us fully into the fight with Climate Change
Afghanistan - ending the forever war and doing so honestly.
Dealing with a political party of opponents who have rejected Democracy

I really have no complaints regarding how effective Joe and Nancy Smash have been handling events. As long as no one dies suddenly, we may even walk the political tightrope to a better future.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:16:09pm

A second of my son’s friends has tested positive for the virus. We don’t think this friend was vaccinated either.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:26:26pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They had over 14 fucking months to bug out since the agreement was signed.

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Citizen K  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:27:01pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has banned vaccine mandates of any kind in a new executive order #txlege

I can’t wait for smallpox and measles to come roaring back thanks to Texas and Florida deciding that vaccines in general are anti-freedom.

132
Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:33:22pm

Gov Abbott will be reelected in a landslide. We’re pro-life like that here in Texas.

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DesertDenizen  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:34:36pm

re: #132 Ace Rothstein

Is he up in ‘22 or ‘24? Because that asshole, like DeSantis is definitely running for president in ‘24 if TFG is unavailable.

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retired cynic  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:34:51pm

Gorgeous. And there is a video showing the restoration.

A Restored Vermeer Painting Reveals a Hidden Cupid Artwork Hanging in the Background
thisiscolossal.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:34:58pm

re: #131 Citizen K

I can’t wait for smallpox and measles to come roaring back thanks to Texas and Florida deciding that vaccines in general are anti-freedom.

There are still sporadic measles outbreaks. Smallpox, however, is extinct in the wild; there are only some live samples of the virus left in Russia’s State Research Center of Virology, in the city of Koltsovo in Siberia and the other samples are kept at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:35:57pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

The religious-right infected GOP is a death cult.

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:35:58pm

re: #131 Citizen K

I can’t wait for smallpox and measles to come roaring back thanks to Texas and Florida deciding that vaccines in general are anti-freedom.

Measles, maybe. Smallpox has been eradicated in the wild.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:36:25pm

re: #133 DesertDenizen

2022.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:36:57pm

re: #137 A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!

Measles, maybe. Smallpox has been eradicated in the wild.

Measles likely. If enough parents don’t vaccinate their children against measles, you will eventually see another outbreak.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:38:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:41:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:44:30pm

re: #121 BeachDem

Except…

Speaking out and revealing his identity publicly for the first time, the officer will share his perspective on the events of that day, including the aftermath of the deadly insurrection and the threats he has received.

Well, I mean if he is voluntarily identifying himself, that’s his risk to take.

Not a great idea, IMO but if that’s what he wants…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:45:07pm
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ckkatz  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:48:04pm

Up to 1,500 Americans still seek to leave Afghanistan as deadline looms, State Dept. says

Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday there could be as many as 1,500 Americans in Afghanistan still seeking to leave as U.S. officials continue to move personnel out of the country ahead of an Aug. 31 deadline. Some 6,000 Americans have been evacuated from the country since Aug. 14, he said.

U.S. diplomats have been in touch with some 500 Americans still seeking to leave Afghanistan, and were “aggressively reaching out” to 1,000 more, “multiple times a day through multiple channels,” Blinken said.
…snip…

washingtonpost.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:48:18pm

re: #129 Belafon

A second of my son’s friends has tested positive for the virus. We don’t think this friend was vaccinated either.

It’s bad in the South. Between my wife and I, there’s only a few other households we know of that haven’t been hit yet.

I’m sure it won’t surprise you that almost all the households in question belong to vaccinated, left leaning individuals.

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Ming5000  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:49:18pm

re: #134 retired cynic

Gorgeous. And there is a video showing the restoration.

A Restored Vermeer Painting Reveals a Hidden Cupid Artwork Hanging in the Background
thisiscolossal.com

Cool!
I have been watching a lot of painting restoration on Ytube lately. Fun

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:49:45pm

I’m so bad for thinking these two things are alike.

A video has emerged online that is said to show a former Afghan Air Force UH-60 Black Hawk, supplied by the United States and now under the control of the Taliban, taxing on the ground at Kandahar Airport in southeastern Afghanistan.
thedrive.com

Taliban tryouts

And The Onion

Blue Angels Hold First-Ever Open Tryouts
PENSACOLA, FL—Harold Enderby’s friends say that when he first saw the Navy’s televised announcement that the Flight Demonstration Squadron, better known as the Blue Angels, would be holding open tryouts for the first time in its history, the lifelong aviation buff turned to his fellow sanitation workers at Doug’s Dugout Bar-N-Grill and said, “Mark my words—I’m going to be a Blue Angel if it’s the last thing I do.”

Crowds line up for the chance to fly a supersonic jet.
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:51:01pm

So the Democratic party in California is not being too helpful as I sit here staring at my ballot.

While I will vote against the recall, now I’m left with the second question - the replacement.

I get why the party doesn’t want to endorse someone.

But leaving that question blank is a pretty poor answer.

Because whoever gets the most votes, the fewer total votes the higher % that “winner” will appear.

If no Democrat votes for a replacement, then whoever the Republican who wins that second vote will likely have a much higher appearing % of the votes, enough for them to claim legitimacy.

The recall is a stunt by angry Republicans exploiting California law. But we have to be prepared for the possible outcome that the “Yes” votes will carry the day, which means the second question is important.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 1:59:23pm

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait, whut?

[Embedded content]

Why wasn’t that thug arrested for making threats against the school board?

Oh I forgot he’s white…

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ckkatz  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:03:26pm

re: #147 Rightwingconspirator
Hah! I had not seen the Onion article. Thanks!

Interestingly, in their first incarnation, the Taliban did actually have a few airplanes and could even fly some of them. One time they even captured a Russian transport plane. Apparently the son of one of the original Taliban leaders was into flying planes and pushed the idea of an air force.

The Afghan Air Force under the Taliban maintained five supersonic MiG-21MFs and 10 Sukhoi-22 fighter-bombers. In 1995, during the 1995 Airstan incident, a Taliban fighter plane captured a Russian transport. They also held six Mil Mi-8 helicopters, five Mi-35s, five L-39Cs, six An-12s, 25 An-26s, a dozen An-24 and An-32s, an IL-18, and a Yakovlev. Their civil air service contained two Boeing 727A/Bs, a Tu-154, five An-24s, and a DHC-6.

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:03:44pm

oooh

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Dave In Austin  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:04:22pm

re: #148 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

They say leave it blank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:08:01pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:14:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:17:56pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:22:37pm

Ty Garbin admitted his role in the alleged scheme weeks after his arrest last fall. He is among six men charged in federal court but the only one to plead guilty so far. It was a key victory for prosecutors as they try to prove an astonishing plot against the others.

Garbin apologized to Whitmer, who was not in court, and her family.

“I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of stress and fear her family felt because of my actions. And for that I am truly sorry,” the 25-year-old aviation mechanic told the judge.

In his plea agreement, Garbin said the six men trained at his property near Luther, Michigan, constructing a “shoot house” to resemble Whitmer’s vacation home and “assaulting it with firearms.”

The government, noting Garbin’s exceptional cooperation, asked U.S. District Judge Robert Jonker to give him credit for helping investigators reinforce their case against his co-defendants. He’s likely to testify at any trial.

The government sought a nine-year prison term, but Jonker went lower at 6 1/4 years.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:22:56pm

re: #122 Rightwingconspirator

For 20 years the Taliban was not in charge. What that meant on the ground still leaves us with how women and girls were treated. As it leaves us with religious extremists in charge of a place with very differently-minded peoples. The cynical view leaves little or no room for the people that tried to spare Afghanistan reason to support the return of the Taliban. Everyone that was not a soldier.

I’m not the cynic.

I’m the guy pointing out that all the stuff you wanted to happen didn’t happen because the people in charge were cynics.

I’m pointing that those people now performatively blaming the Afghans left behind are cynics.

I have more connection to this region of the world than you. Religious violence and women being oppressed in Af-Pak isn’t an abstraction, it’s what my family went through.

I am…exhausted…with the umbrage and concern when my entire life has been a more authentic and personal version of that concern where I know all the details of what’s going on blow-by-blow because I didn’t discover this pain and fear at some magic movement when it messed up my country. I’m being lectured about the safety of women and kids in the Islamic world by people who won’t acknowledge their nations helped the Islamic world be as bad as possible for women and children because the alternative was nationalized oil companies.

The reality of Islamic fundamentalism has been a direct part of my life since I was six months old. For half of my life the United States has directly contributed to the worsening of Islamic fundamentalism in ways that affected my family directly. In the current day, America continues to collaborate with the richest most powerful Islamic fundamentalists in the world on the project of resisting slightly different varieties of Isalmic fundamentalists; it is dizzying to watch, because it’s not even realpolitik…we’re not getting anything done except selling lots of Raytheon products.

So…no, I’m not going to stop pointing out that the people who make money off of war in this country make decisions that precisely contradict the good intentions that supposed drive military intervention, I’m not going to stop pointing out that the military doctrine didn’t do what it said it was doing and specifically hid information that demonstrated it wasn’t working, and I’m not going to stop pointing out that you can’t free people by loosening civilian casualty limits when you do drone strikes.

But more than anything else, I’m going to point out that Americans don’t know anything about Afghanistan at all, have never given a shit, and the current generalities about “Graveyard of Empires” and “tribal societies” belie the massively powerful and rich countries that keep fucking this region up and then declaring themselves the victims.

I have tried for years on here to be very, very specific about cultural and political issues present in this part of the world and…it is always stunning to see people from the developed world raging at forces that have their governments set into motion, attributing suffering and conflict to primal native urges rather than massive applications of money and force over decades to create these conditions.

And I’m doing this because, god help me, I’m trying to be a patriot.

People in the US are being used—your goodwill and your money—to do things overseas that make your life in America worse and less safe. When the gambits succeed they just increase wealth inequality because adventurism doesn’t share the spoils; when they fail the very powerful just dig into sunk cost fallacy because they’re not taking the fiscal or physical risks. As this spiral of failure increases more and more excuses are needed, so scapegoating and internal division is fostered by people who want the cycle of value extraction to just keep going.

There is no way to break the pattern while not acknowledging the pattern, while telling a story of the past that attributes good intentions to the people who make the decisions. If you continuously run from the cynicism behind the ideals, the profit motive that manages to infiltrate everything that isn’t motivated by profit…nothing will change.

Right now there are people in good faith trying to aid Afghans escaping, but their decency does not balance out the people, with the most money and the most power in the world who are making excuses for why their plan was so venal, so poorly-thought-out, yet persisted for two decades while harnessing patriotic sentiment to shut discussion of ending the war or questioning it’s strategy. The latter is…malefic…on it’s own, but those same people have very-well-paying jobs to direct the path of future US conflicts…which makes this worse, because they’re incentive is to hide what they did and to encourage others to not think so they can do it again.

…which is why they’re on TV pointing fingers at the two entities that have had the least important—the less-than-a-year old current administration, and the Afghan people who never had the money or the power.

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Jay C  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:23:07pm

re: #146 Ming5000

Cool!
I have been watching a lot of painting restoration on Ytube lately. Fun

Fascinating video.
All the more because it’s a Vermeer, and thus a rarity in any case.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:23:40pm
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Dread Pirate Ron  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:26:30pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:27:02pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Gorski also pointed out that the researchers, despite claiming to have no conflicts of interest, are affiliated with BIRD (British Ivermectin Recommendation Development) Group.

BIRD describes itself as “campaigning for the safe medicine ivermectin to be approved to prevent and cure COVID-19 around the world.”

Annnd that explains it.

The research paper (meta-analysis)had to be retracted after that news story (meaning Gorksi was even more correct about the weakness of the studies). Once a fraudulent paper was omitted from the metanalysis, there is no efficacy shown for ivermectin. Nevertheless, the quacks persisted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:31:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:31:20pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:32:10pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

These people need to drink a tall, frosty glass of shut the fuck up juice.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:32:36pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he’s allowed to be at the entrance of the school filming students because . ..?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:33:56pm
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steve_davis  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:34:26pm

re: #37 Mattand

Right wing Christian missionaries who want to be martyrs.

Fucking guarantee they make up at least 5% of the Americans staying behind.

hey, there’s got to be some plot to hang Rambo: Really Last Blood Really We Mean IT on.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:35:24pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Protect the White women!! The Afghans are coming!!

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steve_davis  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:35:25pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(ahem) that would be sextuple, not quintuple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:36:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:37:06pm

re: #169 steve_davis

(ahem) that would be sextuple, not quintuple.

“nearly sixfold”

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steve_davis  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:38:38pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s entirely possible he changed history profoundly. Kennedy likely would have won. Instead we got Nixon, and because of that, Dr. Manhattan beat North Vietnam and we got stuck with Vietnam as our 51st state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:41:42pm
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steve_davis  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:41:42pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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is she giving that fellow a nipple pinch??

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steve_davis  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:43:20pm

re: #57 No Malarkey!

That is very brave of him. Even reckless. A lot of dangerous people want him dead.

it’ll be like that benny hill episode where he’s interviewing the guy whose in danger of being killed by the mob, but benny is in darkness and the guy is fully illuminated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:47:57pm
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:51:21pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

HO-LY SHIT. Judge Parker is PISSED.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:51:51pm

re: #133 DesertDenizen

Is he up in ‘22 or ‘24? Because that asshole, like DeSantis is definitely running for president in ‘24 if TFG is unavailable.

A new Quinnipiac poll finds 59% of Florida voters don’t want Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to run for president in 2024.

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DesertDenizen  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:53:17pm

re: #178 Dangerman

They’ll vote for him anyway once he wins the R nomination based on their ridiculous system. And he will win if TFG doesn’t run, simply because the non crazies hate him the most.

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Dangerman  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:53:31pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“But the vaccine doesn’t even guarantee you won’t get sick, it really only stops you from dying.”

yes you may get infected

it is actually quite effective in keeping most people from getting very sick

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:54:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:56:08pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:59:20pm

People that abuse power hide themselves by invoking the dignity of the good people in the institutions they’re abusing. And when they’re caught, they just declare everybody complicit.

And…I’m sorry…but that what’s happened in the US for twenty years, with relation to our wars. We’re in the “it wasn’t us, the people who could make decisions, it was everyone else” phase of spreading blame.

As citizens…you got lied to about how this war was going, and then decisions about how the war would proceed were based on that false impression. That breach of trust brings us to today, where people are surprised things are as bad as they are because they’ve been told to ignore the critics and haven’t viewed it as notable that so much information has become opaque..

And what’s happening now is that you, as the body politic, are being told that you weren’t let down consistently. You were stabbed in the back, but also all of us are in this together and we were all trying our best…say the liars, and the thieves, who want to hide within the crowd.

This has already been done in Iraq: the people who outright lied to start the war and continue the war have gotten away with it. The things they concealed because they were unconscionable they’ve managed to shift away from specificity—who wrote torture memos, who decided to use raw intelligence, who decided to bomb weddings—to a passive voice generality…these things happened. Talk too much about how things went wrong, they say, and you’re judging the whole country…and the whole country deserves to be remembered for the good things specific good people did.

It’s a black and white flag with a single blue stripe, but for war profiteering.

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 2:59:51pm

re: #148 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The recall is a stunt by angry Republicans exploiting California law. But we have to be prepared for the possible outcome that the “Yes” votes will carry the day, which means the second question is important.

The former mayor of San Diego (Kevin Faulconer) is the least horrible Republican on the ballot.

There’s somebody on the ballot who identifies as Democrat, but he’s a 28-year-old YouTube guy with zero political experience.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:02:07pm

I just got off the phone with Norton/Lifelock. There is a new scam out there and it looks like a PayPal email. One of the reasons why I called them is because I have not had a PayPal account for at least 10 years and if the $29.00 so-called settlement came from Norton/Lifelock. They have my account numbers so they could give me the money directly.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:04:20pm

re: #172 steve_davis

it’s entirely possible he changed history profoundly. Kennedy likely would have won. Instead we got Nixon, and because of that, Dr. Manhattan beat North Vietnam and we got stuck with Vietnam as our 51st state.

Kennedy entered the race late. My guess is that Hubert Humphrey would still have gotten the nomination but he may have selected Kennedy as his running mate. Perhaps that would have been enough to affect the final votes in a close race.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:04:36pm

re: #185 PhillyPretzel

I just got off the phone with Norton/Lifelock. There is a new scam out there and it looks like a PayPal email. One of the reasons why I called them is because I have not had a PayPal account for at least 10 years and if the $29.00 so-called settlement came from Norton/Lifelock. They have my account numbers so they could give me the money directly.

I forward those to the supposed source company, in your case PayPal. Google “phishing PayPal” to find it.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:07:00pm

re: #152 Dave In Austin

They say leave it blank

And “they” are idiots. The same fucking idiots who didn’t think they needed to run someone. The same fucking idiots who thought running Cruz Bustamante against a recall with the goddamned Terminator was a good idea.

I have no faith in the state legislature to stop any of those republican clowns from wrecking the state in like 6 weeks, and it will be “their” fault.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:07:06pm

re: #187 Belafon

I will look that up shortly but I am still pissed at PayPal because the last time I used them they were charging me $60 a month instead of $60 a year to belong here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:08:59pm

re: #152 Dave In Austin

They say leave it blank

But that is just their way of saying they don’t want to give any credibility to the recall.

But the recall is here.

This is an example where an ideal is up against reality.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:09:01pm

re: #188 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I’ll add:

The same idiots who didn’t try to repeal or reform the recall process after the last disaster.

Now it’s going to get people killed.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:10:41pm

re: #190 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But that is just their way of saying they don’t want to give any credibility to the recall.

But the recall is here.

This is an example where an ideal is up against reality.

There were 18 years where these “idealists” could have repealed it or reformed it, but no they want to be purity ponies and idealists about it… now.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:10:51pm

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

I will look that up shortly but I am still pissed at PayPal because the last time I used them they were charging me $60 a month instead of $60 a year to belong here.

You might help prevent a more gullible person from being scammed. It’s not PayPal that would suffer.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:12:03pm

re: #193 Belafon

Yes. I just sent it to them.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:13:31pm

re: #184 sagehen

The former mayor of San Diego (Kevin Faulconer) is the least horrible Republican on the ballot.

There’s somebody on the ballot who identifies as Democrat, but he’s a 28-year-old YouTube guy with zero political experience.

There are actually half a dozen “democrats” on the ballot. Self-identified. Never heard of any of them. The youtube kid is… not-qualified and sounds like a Libertarian-tech-douche-bro anyway.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:16:30pm

The Youtube Kid is also spending a shit-ton of money lying on Facebook claiming he’s beating Larry Elder in polls.

Spoiler Alert. He’s Not. Not even remotely.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:17:57pm

re: #184 sagehen

The former mayor of San Diego (Kevin Faulconer) is the least horrible Republican on the ballot.

There’s somebody on the ballot who identifies as Democrat, but he’s a 28-year-old YouTube guy with zero political experience.

This is what I did. It’s in already but sure hoping we let the next election settle who is Governor. If Newsome goes down I’m thinking surge and people mad at not having normal back yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:18:53pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:19:18pm

Re ivermectin: WSJ opinion pieces have been pushing ivermectin since last year; the latest was a solemn piece on July 28th, authored by 2 men without any medical credentials. On the 29th they had to write a partial retraction when they discovered that the main study on which they relied had been withdrawn, but that didn’t stop them from claiming that the remaining studies supported their original conclusion. The WSJ retains respect among the business community despite its ownership by Murdoch. However, its opinion pages have always been sketchy — anything that has real substance is published in their news section. But WSJ certainly has been one of the promoters of this drug among those who are not part of the QAnon mob or Trump base.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:21:52pm

re: #191 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I’ll add:

The same idiots who didn’t try to repeal or reform the recall process after the last disaster.

Now it’s going to get people killed.

It requires a constitutional amendment and I don’t know how onerous that process is.

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:23:14pm

re: #192 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

There were 18 years where these “idealists” could have repealed it or reformed it, but no they want to be purity ponies and idealists about it… now.

Not sure they really could, I think it’s in the State Constitution. The legislature can’t just get rid of it by themselves on majority vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:24:43pm
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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:26:09pm

re: #201 sagehen

Not sure they really could, I think it’s in the State Constitution. The legislature can’t just get rid of it by themselves on majority vote.

The Legislature can get the ball rolling on the ballot initiatives. They don’t have to come from assholes with petitions out in front of Wal Mart.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:29:27pm

re: #180 Dangerman

yes you may get infected

it is actually quite effective in keeping most people from getting very sick

I get so tired of the imperfect as the enemy of the very good on this. Masks “don’t work” . “the vaccine won’t prevent exposure” (duh) “won’t keep you from testing positive”, “won’t stop everyone from serious illness”.

Can and does make every serious consequence less likely.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:29:40pm
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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:30:56pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ok so that WONDERFUL Judge smacked down Powell and Wood.

But she left Rudy & Jenna off the hook! 😰

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:31:25pm

The equal protection issues with the way California recalls work are obvious and it should have been struck down in court in 1913. Waiting until the Supreme Court is the Gilead Star Chamber to bring this up was another fucking brilliant maneuver by state Democrats.

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:32:50pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

WAT…

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ipsos  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:03pm

re: #207 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I’m not a California voter, but if I were one, I’d be mightily pissed at the state Democrats for not putting a solid candidate forward on the second half of the recall ballot.

Sure, the best scenario is that “no” wins the recall vote, hopefully by a substantial margin, but given the very real possibility that frustrated voters push “yes” over the edge, why in the world would you want to then surrender the ballot entirely to RWNJs? Did they learn nothing from Gray Davis?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:09pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

My oh my. Look who doesn’t want to “comply to authority” now.
///

My shocked face.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:21pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you weren’t here you’d be here tomorrow. In an orange jumpsuit.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:40pm

re: #184 sagehen

Faulconer is one of those well-connected Republicans in San Diego county, where the rich (there are a lot of rich guys running around here) are not religious right but just plain wealthy. Not that they won’t exploit the religious right when it suits them - notice how Car Thief ( a very rich guy) took over Hunter’s old district even though Car Thief lives near the coast with the rest of the rich guys.

It’s all so simple: the rich guys just want to make sure the poors don’t rise up and raise taxes, so they manipulate the fools who think the Earth is 6000 years old.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:44pm

Holy shit!

If you can’t trust that tube of Pepsodent…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:34:56pm

re: #206 JOE 🥓

Ok so that WONDERFUL Judge smacked down Powell and Wood.

But she left Rudy & Jenna off the hook! 😰

apparently they were not part of this.
From the order, the attorneys are:

The following lawyers electronically signed the pleading: Sidney Powell, Scott Hagerstrom, and Gregory J. Rohl. (ECF No. 1 at Pg ID 75.) The Complaint listed the following attorneys as “Of Counsel”: Emily P. Newman, Julia Z. Haller, L. Lin Wood, and Howard Kleinhendler

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:37:51pm
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Dopamine Fish  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:38:37pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently they were not part of this.
From the order, the attorneys are:

Was just getting ready to say this. Interestingly, Emily Newman had about five minutes of involvement with this case and basically made the argument at the show cause hearing that she looked at it, spent some time on it, and then immediately NOPED out. She still got the book thrown at her.

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:39:46pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can hear a lot of MAGATS screaming in FloriDUMB that they want their freedom to flush…

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:39:51pm

re: #209 ipsos

I’m not a California voter, but if I were one, I’d be mightily pissed at the state Democrats for not putting a solid candidate forward on the second half of the recall ballot.

Sure, the best scenario is that “no” wins the recall vote, hopefully by a substantial margin, but given the very real possibility that frustrated voters push “yes” over the edge, why in the world would you want to then surrender the ballot entirely to RWNJs? Did they learn nothing from Gray Davis?

I am pissed, and no they didn’t.

The Democratic party in general has some “issues”, and I’m sure we can all list them if needed, but in California they are a completely different thing than the rest of the country. They are still obviously several orders of magnitude better than the Republicans, but that’s a low bar to pass now. Kamala Harris is a good exception to this, but in general I never want any of these clowns anywhere near the White House. Especially if they started off in LA City government. You see a former mayor of Los Angeles on the ballot for anything above dog-catcher… RUN.

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:39:56pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

Over under on this, further down the line, ending with a decision that will be felt this side of the Atlantic again?

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:40:00pm

re: #209 ipsos

I’m not a California voter, but if I were one, I’d be mightily pissed at the state Democrats for not putting a solid candidate forward on the second half of the recall ballot.

Sure, the best scenario is that “no” wins the recall vote, hopefully by a substantial margin, but given the very real possibility that frustrated voters push “yes” over the edge, why in the world would you want to then surrender the ballot entirely to RWNJs? Did they learn nothing from Gray Davis?

The idea is don’t split the progressive vote more. Fwiw (yes controversial) Gavin Newsome is that “candidate”. It’s not like Cuomo or Trump. No crimes, nothing more than mad at masks and the lockdowns. Homelessness has been a California issue for as long as I’ve lived. Crime? The Governor, not the legislature or voters?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:40:59pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s all so tragic yet avoidable.

Also, I do wonder about the “oxygen supply” in Florida if no one figured out:
1) that there would be a surge in need by hospitals given Florida embraces culling-the-herd mentality;
2) why did no local entrepreneur open an oxygen supply shop. It’s not as if it is difficult to isolate oxygen from the atmosphere or do hydrolysis.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:41:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:42:08pm

re: #219 Teukka

Over under on this, further down the line, ending with a decision that will be felt this side of the Atlantic again?

I’m hoping this is the beginning of a judicial trend in dealing with this frivolous bullshit clogging up the court system

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JOE 🥓  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:43:51pm

re: #218 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I am pissed, and no they didn’t.

The Democratic party in general has some “issues”, and I’m sure we can all list them if needed, but in California they are a completely different thing than the rest of the country. They are still obviously several orders of magnitude better than the Republicans, but that’s a low bar to pass now. Kamala Harris is a good exception to this, but in general I never want any of these clowns anywhere near the White House. Especially if they started off in LA City government. You see a former mayor of Los Angeles on the ballot for anything above dog-catcher… RUN.

The only one I voted for for any office above mayor was Bradley in 1982. Wouldn’t vote for any of them since.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:44:18pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:44:54pm
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:45:31pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t like to be told what to do, so I will use all the water I damn well feel like.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:46:30pm

re: #221 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s all so tragic yet avoidable.

Also, I do wonder about the “oxygen supply” in Florida if no one figured out:
1) that there would be a surge in need by hospitals given Florida embraces culling-the-herd mentality;
2) why did no local entrepreneur open an oxygen supply shop. It’s not as if it is difficult to isolate oxygen from the atmosphere or do hydrolysis.

I suspect (and I think you also recognize this and are perhaps being facetious) that there is a lot more to it than just setting up a backyard compressor to push oxygen into cylinders and/or liquify it.

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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:46:34pm

re: #213 JOE 🥓

CHILDREN’S ICE CREAM, MANDRAKE!
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:49:31pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perhaps I’m naive but I assume everyone drinks bottled water.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:49:32pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:49:37pm

re: #225 Belafon

Oil billionaires following their own political and social agenda and policy is nothing new in fiction.

en.wikipedia.org

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:50:50pm

re: #101 ckkatz

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:51:02pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:51:33pm

re: #228 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I suspect (and I think you also recognize this and are perhaps being facetious) that there is a lot more to it than just setting up a backyard compressor to push oxygen into cylinders and/or liquify it.

Actually, you can do that. There are videos on Youtube of people who do exactly that.

I don’t know about the universities in Florida, but the school I went to had never ending supply of liquid N and O and Ar, because it’s simple to do and science and engineering departments use the stuff like crazy.

So yes, I think it would have been not too difficult for Tampa to go to some engineering department at a Florida school and ask them to help set up an emergency O2 supply.

And even simpler, all the Tampa water folks could have done is simply call an out of state supplier a month or two ago and set up a delivery in case their local supply ran out.

If Florida is now getting to a point where they can’t supply O2, they are slipping back into pre-industrial eras.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:53:24pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:53:33pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:54:53pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is good news.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:55:25pm
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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:55:25pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tampa Bay Water will temporarily change its water treatment process beginning Thursday, Aug. 26 at its Lithia Hydrogen Sulfide Removal Facility, due to a lack of liquid oxygen deliveries to the facility

Sulfur water!

Before one’s home went on municipal water.

Brings back memories of white gelatinous dollops that would hang from dripping faucets that would issue funny tasting water.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:56:11pm
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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:57:23pm

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Moe Avattar  Aug 25, 2021 • 3:58:43pm

re: #188 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

I voted for Cruz Bustamante. He was the Lieutenant Governor and came in second. Who would you have preferred to split the ticket further?

This year i’m actuall tempted to vote for Angelyne.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:01:58pm

re: #240 BeenHereAwhile

Sulfur water!

Before one’s home went on municipal water.

Brings back memories of white gelatinous dollops that would hang from dripping faucets that would issue funny tasting water.

I’m one of the lucky people here with a sweetwater spring-fed well.
Other people in the county who have shallow dug wells have saltwater or sulfur water.
The saltwater is a result of a bunch of large naturally-occurring salt domes (where wildlife find natural salt licks)
The sulfur water used to be bottled and sold at the various nearby “health spa/resorts” back in the 1800s and early 1900s.

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:03:51pm

re: #220 Rightwingconspirator

The idea is don’t split the progressive vote more. Fwiw (yes controversial) Gavin Newsome is that “candidate”. It’s not like Cuomo or Trump. No crimes, nothing more than mad at masks and the lockdowns. Homelessness has been a California issue for as long as I’ve lived. Crime? The Governor, not the legislature or voters?

The issue is that they don’t have a back up candidate. If the recall is successful 50.1-49.9 with 12 million people voting (which is about what turn out was in 2018), and only 6 million people vote for a replacement (and the winner gets, let’s say 25% of that vote), the Democratic position has effectively disenfranchised their base.

Newsom should be running a strickly “no on the recall” campaign. Which is effectively what he’s doing.

But the fact that there isn’t a single reputable Democrat on the ballot either taking the Bustamonte tact of “no on the recall, yes on me” or “vote your conscious on the recall, vote for me as a replacement” leaves absolutely no room for error.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:04:04pm

Mo Brooks is still a moron

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:05:19pm

re: #225 Belafon

The Republican Party under Eisenhower bears no resemblance to the party since Newt Gingrich and especially since Trump.

Note re California constitution: Two ways to amend the Constitution:
1. Amendments can be proposed by legislature but they require 2/3 vote from each house and then submitted to the electorate for approval.
2. Amendments can be proposed from the public and the submitted to the electorate for approval.

Looks like this is doable.

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:06:03pm

re: #243 Moe Avattar

I voted for Cruz Bustamante. He was the Lieutenant Governor and came in second. Who would you have preferred to split the ticket further?

This year i’m actuall tempted to vote for Angelyne.

I voted no, but I also voted for Paffrath as a replacement. Ceding the second question to the most extreme part of the California electorate seems rather dangerous.

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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:07:25pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If the patients are Trump supporters, wouldn’t the bleach work better?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:07:27pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:08:04pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m one of the lucky people here with a sweetwater spring-fed well.
Other people in the county who have shallow dug wells have saltwater or sulfur water.
The saltwater is a result of a bunch of large naturally-occurring salt domes (where wildlife find natural salt licks)
The sulfur water used to be bottled and sold at the various nearby “health spa/resorts” back in the 1800s and early 1900s.

My brother’s well water in western NY state came up through a couple of layers of black shale* and thus had a decent load of sulfides in it. Stained chrome black, smelled pretty nasty, and tasted worse. He basically used it for bathing and laundry and would bring gallon jugs of treated water from the village to use for cooking and drinking purposes.

I also recall visiting my grandparents in Pennsylvania near Johnstown and how the water there had a “iron” taste to it. It was also pretty “hard” by how they measure that as well.

* - Don’t think it was Marcellus Formation (of fracking fame), but certainly related in being Devonian shales laid down to the west of the mountains that became the Appalachians.

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retired cynic  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:08:46pm

Terrific article. It’s not in the near future, unfortunately, but it is going to be a great help to medical care sometime!

This Barnacle-Inspired Glue Seals Bleeding Organs in Seconds
The paste sticks onto wet tissue firmly by repelling blood. Surgeons hope it can save time—and lives.
wired.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:11:26pm

re: #252 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

One of my neighbors in the holler had a well dug back in the 1980s and they struck a pocket of natural gas instead of water. He had the well sealed up and installed a cistern for water instead.

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:11:58pm

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republican Party under Eisenhower bears no resemblance to the party since Newt Gingrich and especially since Trump.

Note re California constitution: Two ways to amend the Constitution:
1. Amendments can be proposed by legislature but they require 2/3 vote from each house and then submitted to the electorate for approval.
2. Amendments can be proposed from the public and the submitted to the electorate for approval.

Looks like this is doable.

The party of Eisenhower was more of an anomaly than anything else since the early 20th century. There was a small chance for a socially moderate (even slightly liberal) version of the Republican Party to exist, but it probably would have required Nixon winning in 1960.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:12:58pm

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republican Party under Eisenhower bears no resemblance to the party since Newt Gingrich and especially since Trump.

Note re California constitution: Two ways to amend the Constitution:
1. Amendments can be proposed by legislature but they require 2/3 vote from each house and then submitted to the electorate for approval.
2. Amendments can be proposed from the public and the submitted to the electorate for approval.

Looks like this is doable.

See this is why I blame them for 18 years of inaction on this. Completely repealing the recall might fly like a brick but reforming it so Hitler Jr can’t win with 2% of the vote is definitely possible.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:13:23pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m one of the lucky people here with a sweetwater spring-fed well.
Other people in the county who have shallow dug wells have saltwater or sulfur water.
The saltwater is a result of a bunch of large naturally-occurring salt domes (where wildlife find natural salt licks)
The sulfur water used to be bottled and sold at the various nearby “health spa/resorts” back in the 1800s and early 1900s.

In our central FL county, well water came from the FL aquifer and was so good that our county was well known by the feds for production of moonshine.

When visiting folks on the west coast of FL in the 1950s, you got sulfur water until the municipal water system came to their neighborhood.

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:15:28pm

re: #256 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

See this is why I blame them for 18 years of inaction on this. Completely repealing the recall might fly like a brick but reforming it so Hitler Jr can’t win with 2% of the vote is definitely possible.

I think there’s a simple, and (Thanos voice) rather elegant (/Thanos voice) solution:

Make the people petitioning for a recall pay for the costs of the recall.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:17:30pm

re: #243 Moe Avattar

I voted for Cruz Bustamante. He was the Lieutenant Governor and came in second. Who would you have preferred to split the ticket further?

This year i’m actuall tempted to vote for Angelyne.

When running against someone who is famous and at the time liked by almost everyone, someone who wasn’t completely unknown to the low information voter and didn’t have the personality and energy of a cardboard box would have been a much better idea.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:18:17pm

re: #258 KGxvi

I think there’s a simple, and (Thanos voice) rather elegant (/Thanos voice) solution:

Make the people petitioning for a recall pay for the costs of the recall.

Requires the same constitutional amendment process for repeal or any other reform so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:19:59pm

re: #257 BeenHereAwhile

In our central FL county, well water came from the FL aquifer and was so good that our county was well known by the feds for production of moonshine.

When visiting folks on the west coast of FL in the 1950s, you got sulfur water until the municipal water system came to their neighborhood.

the municipal wellwater here comes from the Eastern Pennyroyal Aquifer and it’s pretty decent. My well is only about 10 feet deep and completely fed from springs that flow through limestone, blue clay and shale. In some of my fields we can hit water just by dropping a plow. Loads of water on my farm.

ETA: My holler is also extremely famous for moonshine

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:22:31pm

re: #259 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

When running against someone who is famous and at the time liked by almost everyone, someone who wasn’t completely unknown to the low information voter and didn’t have the personality and energy of a cardboard box would have been a much better idea.

Arnold won LA county with a plurality, even though LA county voters voted against the recall in 2003. And he likely got a decent number of “split ticket” voters - 4.9m voted for the recall, Arnold and McClintock got a combined 5.3m votes. Bustamonte got 2.7m votes, while Davis got 4m to vote no on the recall. About 8% of ballots were left blank on the replacement question (which was 756k votes and not nearly enough for Bustamonte to close the gap on Arnold).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:23:13pm
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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:23:44pm

re: #260 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Requires the same constitutional amendment process for repeal or any other reform so…

Yeah, sure, but I think it’s the easiest sell for an initiative on the ballot. Easy to explain, easy to understand.

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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:24:23pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Yeah, sure, but I think it’s the easiest sell for an initiative on the ballot. Easy to explain, easy to understand.

Easy to get struck down in court in 5 minutes too.

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KGxvi  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:28:04pm

re: #265 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

Easy to get struck down in court in 5 minutes too.

On what basis, though? It’s not a poll tax. Nor is it disenfranchising anyone. It’s simply saying if you want to trigger a special election via recall, you have to bear the costs.

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:28:32pm

Taliban tell Afghan women to stay home from work because soldiers are ‘not trained’ to respect them cnn.com

Gosh whose job was it to train soldiers for the coming day?

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gocart mozart  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:29:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:29:50pm
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Belafon  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:30:44pm

re: #267 Rightwingconspirator

Taliban tell Afghan women to stay home from work because soldiers are ‘not trained’ to respect them cnn.com

Gosh whose job was it to train soldiers for the coming day?

Whose job is it to keep soldiers in line?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:30:51pm
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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:32:02pm

re: #266 KGxvi

On what basis, though? It’s not a poll tax. Nor is it disenfranchising anyone. It’s simply saying if you want to trigger a special election via recall, you have to bear the costs.

We don’t pass on the cost of any legitimate political action to the petitioners in the US, and this will effectively make it so big dark money can recall whoever but the rest of us can’t.

And are you going to send a bill to everyone that put their name on a petition somewhere? We don’t do that for other stupid ballot initiatives that waste time and money, so why this?

This will get thrown out faster than a fart in a windstorm, and if it doesn’t it should.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:34:51pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

I too am older than dirt, and saw Springteen perform that album at the Summit, a memory now marred because it’s the place Joel Osteen gathers his flock for shearing.

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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:34:57pm

re: #258 KGxvi

I think there’s a simple, and (Thanos voice) rather elegant (/Thanos voice) solution:

Make the people petitioning for a recall pay for the costs of the recall.

Just means that you have Bezos or Musk or etc buying elections directly.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:37:04pm

re: #147 Rightwingconspirator

I’m so bad for thinking these two things are alike.

[Embedded content]

Hey, Talib, that’s not how you do it. Oh, wait, uh, that’s better. Now twist that handle on the left all the way around, don’t care which way, then pull all the way back on the short stick it’s attached to and stomp hard on the pedal on the right side. That’s the ticket.


(Not actually a Blackhawk. The Talib won’t know the difference.)
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:38:53pm

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Hmm. It sounds like … never mind.

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EPR-radar  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:43:42pm

re: #190 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

But that is just their way of saying they don’t want to give any credibility to the recall.

But the recall is here.

This is an example where an ideal is up against reality.

There’s also the reality that a non-trivial number of voters, if they make a choice on the second part of the recall ballot, will vote yes on the recall itself to have that choice count.

It’s a deeply fucked up system where all options suck.

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Citizen K  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:44:23pm

re: #246 KGxvi

The issue is that they don’t have a back up candidate. If the recall is successful 50.1-49.9 with 12 million people voting (which is about what turn out was in 2018), and only 6 million people vote for a replacement (and the winner gets, let’s say 25% of that vote), the Democratic position has effectively disenfranchised their base.

Newsom should be running a strickly “no on the recall” campaign. Which is effectively what he’s doing.

But the fact that there isn’t a single reputable Democrat on the ballot either taking the Bustamonte tact of “no on the recall, yes on me” or “vote your conscious on the recall, vote for me as a replacement” leaves absolutely no room for error.

I think the deal is that, there is/was enough confusion among the less political connected that believe that if the recall is successful, Newson would still be on the ballot or something. WHich isn’t how it works. That’s why there’s so much emphasis and attempt on unifying around the ‘No’ vote first and foremost. Between that and many decent Dem possibilities not really wanting the recall to go through in the first place, and there’s just generally not a lot of space for a back-up plan to begin with. The republicans chomping at the bit for this have already been jockeying for months on hopes of the recall going through, and Dems campaigning to be a possible replacement could very likely pull dissatisfied Dem voters who are thinking they could somehow do better than Newsom into allowing the recall to go through, and fucking things up immensely.

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:45:43pm

On the radar:

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:47:15pm

According to Worldometer, the Florida average new case numbers have been at the highest level for the state, but the death counts, which were briefly high, have been plummeting. Is there a substantial delay in reporting deaths or are they being concealed?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:47:44pm

oh

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:48:56pm

re: #280 Hecuba’s daughter

According to Worldometer, the Florida average new case numbers have been at the highest level for the state, but the death counts, which were briefly high, have been plummeting. Is there a substantial delay in reporting deaths or are they being concealed?

I noticed that yesterday. NYT said 464 or something dead, Worldometers said 38. For the same day. Given the state’s history of attempting to cover up numbers, could this be some official trying to plug sources, but not getting every one?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:49:44pm

take a fucking seat

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:50:20pm

re: #273 jaunte

I too am older than dirt, and saw Springteen perform that album at the Summit, a memory now marred because it’s the place Joel Osteen gathers his flock for shearing.

Damn I did not know that was what it became. I saw Crosby, Stills and Nash and The Band there in mid 80’s. Great concert.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:51:00pm
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Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:52:49pm

My ideas for reform if we can’t get an outright repeal (and I’m not sure I’d want that anyway) are:

Increase the signature count required to get it on the ballot in the first place, by at least double what it is now, and reduce the time allowed to gather signatures to 4 weeks total from the filing date.

Recall elections can only occur during March or November elections, and if the signature gathering starts within 12 weeks of those election days, successful petition drives will result in the election being pushed to the next election date.

The ballot will only have one question which will be recall Soandso yes/no. If the governor is recalled, he or she is replaced by the Lt Governor, and the new Governor will appoint an acting Lt Governor pending legislative approval to fill the position until the next election.

Any other state position, a replacement is also appointed by the governor (or mayor, or whatever if it’s a local/county official) in the same manner to fill the position until the next election.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:53:06pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stuff it DeSantis. A POTUS cannot end a virus.

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Teukka  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:53:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:54:18pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:54:40pm

re: #286 Jack Burton, Gunner on Death Star of David

My ideas for reform if we can’t get an outright repeal (and I’m not sure I’d want that anyway) are:

Increase the signature count required to get it on the ballot in the first place, by at least double what it is now, and reduce the time allowed to gather signatures to 4 weeks total from the filing date.

Recall elections can only occur during March or November elections, and if the signature gathering starts within 12 weeks of those election days, successful petition drives will result in the election being pushed to the next election date.

The ballot will only have one question which will be recall Soandso yes/no. If the governor is recalled, he or she is replaced by the Lt Governor, and the new Governor will appoint an acting Lt Governor pending legislative approval to fill the position until the next election.

Any other state position, a replacement is also appointed by the governor (or mayor, or whatever if it’s a local/county official) in the same manner to fill the position until the next election.

These are good ideas, especially the ballot only having one question. CA recalls having that asinine two question format is at least 90% of the problem.

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darthstar  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:54:50pm

File this under “Okay”…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:56:19pm

re: #291 darthstar

File this under “Okay”…

he is apparently on a ventilator and unresponsive.

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:56:36pm

re: #288 Teukka

Whole lot of suckers, rebels and law enforcement officers determined to prove the definition of conservatism.

”..There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect… “

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darthstar  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:57:03pm

BTW, it’s balmy here…

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jaunte  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:58:54pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:59:27pm

re: #294 darthstar

This is what Philly’s weather is like:
weather.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 4:59:38pm

story thread, with photos:

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A Mom Anon  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:08:10pm

Anyone know what to do if you lose your vaccine card? The kid can’t find his. Shit.

We got our shots at the drive thru mass vaccination site nearest us back in mid-April and end of April. Those places are shit down now, they were run by the National Guard I think. I have mine and the kid got his the same day, same time, he was just in a different line than me. He’s calling his Vegas hotel to see if anyone found it and searched his bags, laundry and car and doesn’t remember taking it out of the bag when he unpacked it. So yeah it’s gone or in someone’s pocket. Lordy, I need some weed.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:10:33pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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William Lewis  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:17:19pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

Anyone know what to do if you lose your vaccine card? The kid can’t find his. Shit.

We got our shots at the drive thru mass vaccination site nearest us back in mid-April and end of April. Those places are shit down now, they were run by the National Guard I think. I have mine and the kid got his the same day, same time, he was just in a different line than me. He’s calling his Vegas hotel to see if anyone found it and searched his bags, laundry and car and doesn’t remember taking it out of the bag when he unpacked it. So yeah it’s gone or in someone’s pocket. Lordy, I need some weed.

Ok I presume you had to present ID and that they took the info down?

What I’d do is call the nearest NG unit. Ask who was running the vax site you were at. Then get that unit’s number. Contact that unit with names, date & time of your vax and ask for a duplicate card. There is no reason (other than laziness) for them not to do it for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:25:13pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

Anyone know what to do if you lose your vaccine card? The kid can’t find his. Shit.

We got our shots at the drive thru mass vaccination site nearest us back in mid-April and end of April. Those places are shit down now, they were run by the National Guard I think. I have mine and the kid got his the same day, same time, he was just in a different line than me. He’s calling his Vegas hotel to see if anyone found it and searched his bags, laundry and car and doesn’t remember taking it out of the bag when he unpacked it. So yeah it’s gone or in someone’s pocket. Lordy, I need some weed.

Contact your local health department. The popup vaccine site with National Guard would have been in coordination with the health department.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:37:14pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #273 jaunte

I too am older than dirt, and saw Springteen perform that album at the Summit, a memory now marred because it’s the place Joel Osteen gathers his flock for shearing.

Sitting here in a birthday T-shirt my smart-assed kids got me: “Vetustior Humo”.

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sagehen  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:46:09pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

Anyone know what to do if you lose your vaccine card? The kid can’t find his. Shit.

We got our shots at the drive thru mass vaccination site nearest us back in mid-April and end of April. Those places are shit down now, they were run by the National Guard I think. I have mine and the kid got his the same day, same time, he was just in a different line than me. He’s calling his Vegas hotel to see if anyone found it and searched his bags, laundry and car and doesn’t remember taking it out of the bag when he unpacked it. So yeah it’s gone or in someone’s pocket. Lordy, I need some weed.

Did he snap a picture of the card on his phone? (that’s what they told us to do at Mt Sinai Vaxorama, in case you lost it…)

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A hollow voice says NOW drain that swamp!  Aug 25, 2021 • 5:46:22pm

re: #298 A Mom Anon

Anyone know what to do if you lose your vaccine card? The kid can’t find his. Shit.

We got our shots at the drive thru mass vaccination site nearest us back in mid-April and end of April. Those places are shit down now, they were run by the National Guard I think. I have mine and the kid got his the same day, same time, he was just in a different line than me. He’s calling his Vegas hotel to see if anyone found it and searched his bags, laundry and car and doesn’t remember taking it out of the bag when he unpacked it. So yeah it’s gone or in someone’s pocket. Lordy, I need some weed.

Here is a link to the vaccination registry for Georgia.


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