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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:09:57am

John Oliver Rocks.
The supreme court still sucks.

Keep fighting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:12:11am
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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:12:33am

Mass shooting in Highland Park, IL (3+ dead, at least 9 injured):

Youtube Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:13:26am
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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:19:03am

re: #3 Teukka

I always go to lookner.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:19:53am

re: #5 HRH Stanley Sea

I always go to lookner.

re: #3 Teukka

Mass shooting in Highland Park, IL (3+ dead, at least 9 injured):

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Video

Me too.

⚠️⚠️⚠️ Chicago, IL Lizardim, stay safe ⚠️⚠️⚠️

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:25:28am

I can’t wait for the next installment when John Oliver reveals what connection these beach dolls have with the random human feet that keep washing up on the PNW coast.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:25:37am

re: #6 Teukka

Me too.

⚠️⚠️⚠️ Chicago, IL Lizardim, stay safe ⚠️⚠️⚠️

Highland Park, IL Mass Shooting: 5 dead 16 hospitalized

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:25:42am

JFC. Five dead, 16 hospitalized in the Highland Park mass shooting incident. Suspect still on the loose, apparently.

That’s some fucked up shit. And on the Fourth of July.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:27:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:28:53am

re: #10 The Pie Overlord!

Just so perfectly American, isn’t it?

😢

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:30:25am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Just so perfectly American, isn’t it?

😢

Land of the free, and home of life under the gun, where the AR-15 reigns supreme.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:35:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:35:15am
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EstebanTornado1963  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:35:35am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:38:49am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:39:09am

Though unconfirmed, seems like the shooter was firing from the top of a business called Uncle Dan’s (don’t know what that is, TBH).

Just spitballing, but I wonder if after exhausting whatever ammo he’d brought with him, he ditched the firearm, got down off the roof, and blended into the crowd that was running away.

That’d be almost perfect cover for a fleeing gunman.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:40:28am
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:42:16am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was very cool. I am trying to upbeat but it is not working. :(

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:42:58am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

Makes a T-800 look like a wind-up tin robot from the 1960s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:43:54am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:45:37am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Outdoorsy type store. Like a mom and pop REI. I’ve shopped that exact same location regularly.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:49:58am

re: #22 GlutenFreeJesus

Outdoorsy type store. Like a mom and pop REI. I’ve shopped that exact same location regularly.

How did the shooter get access to the roof of the building (if that indeed is the case)? From an image I saw, it’s just a one-story building and on Street View, I’m not seeing anything that looks like an access ladder on the exterior.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:50:57am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

Uncle Dan’s is an outdoor clothes and gear shop apparently.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:52:44am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

There’s an alley behind the building and plenty of adjacent roofs. Probably not too hard to find a fire escape or other way up.

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nines09  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:53:35am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because THIS IS WHO MITT ROMNEY IS.
Hat in hand asking the Master if he has any position for him in his Reich.
*spit^

Mitt Whoreman
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:53:56am

re: #18 jaunte

During the 26 years I lived there, there was only one murder I recall — and it was a professional hit against someone with problematic sources of income, while his wife was conveniently away.

Haven’t checked on all years — but during 2010-2019, there were no homicides. Don’t have information on other years right now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:54:10am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Yeah no idea. Could even be an employee with the “white male/scruffy hair” description.like EC said, there’s a back area that all these business have for shipments etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:56:32am

re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus

Electric Cyborg noted:

There’s an alley behind the building and plenty of adjacent roofs. Probably not too hard to find a fire escape or other way up.

I admit, my first thought was that I’m sure there’s access to the roof from the inside of the building.

In any event, I hope they find this SOB real quick.

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Jay C  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:57:10am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

How did the shooter get access to the roof of the building (if that indeed is the case)? From an image I saw, it’s just a one-story building and on Street View, I’m not seeing anything that looks like an access ladder on the exterior.

These sort of retail stores are not usually security-tight fortresses, over and above the usual anti-burglary precautions (except if they sell guns).
Probably not easy to access the roof from inside, but probably not overly difficult, either.

SO I wonder which wingnut blogger is already blaming “Antifa”…?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 10:57:32am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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I’m sorry but I’m not able to keep up. This is beyond madness. No other civilized country allows guns to proliferate at such an alarming rate.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:01:48am

re: #30 Jay C

These sort of retail stores are not usually security-tight fortresses, over and above the usual anti-burglary precautions (except if they sell guns).
Probably not easy to access the roof from inside, but probably not overly difficult, either.

SO I wonder which wingnut blogger is already blaming “Antifa”…?

I looked it up and the store was open today for the holiday (though I imagine it’s been closed by now, as it seems to be a crime scene). They don’t sell firearms, at least from what I could see on their website.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:03:12am

Latest report is 6 dead. The husband of an acquaintance was shot in the leg— he’s at the hospital now.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:04:05am
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:06:38am

re: #34 Teukka

How soon before we hear that he had “mental issues”? Seems like that’s usually the case if the suspect is White. Hope they catch him.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:08:04am

Interesting - a firearm was recovered at the scene.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:08:53am

re: #35 Patricia Kayden

How soon before we hear that he had “mental issues”? Seems like that’s usually the case if the suspect is White. Hope they catch him.

Please do note that wingnuttery and mental issues are not mutually exclusive, those Venn diagrams have a significant overlap…

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:09:52am

re: #36 Dr Lizardo

Interesting - a firearm was recovered at the scene.

Dropped it so he won’t stand out when he is evading arrest. May have handgun or other firearms hidden elsewhere.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:10:11am

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

Yeah no firearms. It’s more of the hippy outdoors kind of variety.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:10:31am

re: #38 Teukka

Dropped it so he won’t stand out when he is evading arrest. May have handgun or other firearms hidden elsewhere.

And if he was wearing gloves, there would be no prints on it.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:12:08am

re: #38 Teukka

Dropped it so he won’t stand out when he is evading arrest. May have handgun or other firearms hidden elsewhere.

That’s kind of what I was thinking. Ditch the gun, blend into the fleeing crowd. After all, the cops are gonna be telling everyone to get the hell out of there pronto and not checking IDs to see who’s who.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:14:08am

He’s long gone by now back to his home state of Wisconsin. Just a hunch.

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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:15:18am

Well, fuck,

Happy 4th of July.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:15:58am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:17:42am
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Acemarilllion  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:17:53am

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s long gone by now back to his home state of Wisconsin. Just a hunch.

Hey now.

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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:18:41am

re: #15 EstebanTornado1963

Number one error in his “summary” — “tough gun laws”.

No, that’s not true. Nowhere in America has “tough gun laws”.

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:19:57am

Actor Jessica Chastain has something to say about the 4th of July.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:22:01am

Another shooting? Murderous individuals having guns? Fine by them. A right to decide with a doctor how to handle pregnancy? Not a chance.

Like many, we are just not feeling it for celebration. When will my wife, and American women, in general, be independent of the misogyny at the GOP, and any courts they control? States?

That’s when we will celebrate.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:22:47am

re: #47 John Hughes

Number one error in his “summary” — “tough gun laws”.

No, that’s not true. Nowhere in America has “tough gun laws”.

I imagine the gun humpers would be screaming that Czech gun laws are JUST LIKE NAZICOMMIE IDEAS! WHADDAYA MEAN I NEED TO DEMONSTRATE PROPER FIREARMS HANDLING?! WHY DO I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DISASSEMBLE AND REASSEMBLE MY PISTOL IN FRONT OF A POLICE FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR?! SOUNDS LIKE GODLESS BOLSHEVISM!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:23:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:25:17am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:26:22am
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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:31:07am

No information whether connected to todays mass shooting, just putting it here:
NBC Chicago: Antisemitic Flyers Found in Highland Park, Other North Shore Communities
Authorities responded to reports of antisemitic flyers littered across Highland Park and other North Shore communities Thursday morning.
The flyers, which contained antisemitic hate speech, appeared in neighborhoods on Yom HaShoah, the Day of Holocaust Remembrance, according to Highland Park police.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:31:54am

Stop grooming our kids, you godbothering weirdos

“…Stop grooming our children, you freaks. Stop indoctrinating them to believe that the God they should believe in is a vapid entity that throws high school sports games based on the whims of abusive authority figures. Stop teaching them that God is a slot machine for them to put quarters in.

I don’t care what religious sect you belong to: If you’re leading children in prayer on the 50-yard line, your religion sucks. I don’t care what you call God or how many gods you believe in; if you’re leading a prayer on the field that ties the outcomes of sporting events to how the deities feel that evening, what is wrong with you.

Teaching kids about the history of lynching in America is not “grooming” them. Teaching our kids the formalities of praying in your religion is absolutely “grooming” them, and is in fact grooming them to be the worst kind of religious charlatans. Performative. Public. Hollow-headed. Insincere. Trivial.”
dailykos.com

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:34:15am

Talk about tone deaf…

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Captain Ron  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:39:21am
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:39:42am
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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:42:28am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

At one point about 20 years ago it looked like it might be a good idea for me to move to America for employment reasons.

My (African) wife, with many family members living in the US, said “hell, no, you’re not taking my children to that place”.

So I stayed here. Don’t regret it.

America is an interesting place to visit, but “bright shining city on a hill”? Fuck no.

(An aside, cities on hilltops is a sign of a violent society. Peaceful cultures have cities in valleys).

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:45:00am

re: #57 Captain Ron

Don’t forget to kiss the chef.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:47:32am

Someone with a young son needs to get with it.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:48:04am

Happy 4th of July, can wait for my neighbor to get started.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:48:56am

re: #56 Teukka

Talk about tone deaf…

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He’s not tone deaf. HE IS FUCKING CELEBRATING.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:50:05am

I’ve been watching the WGN livestream, which you can find here: wgntv.com

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:50:36am

re: #57 Captain Ron

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A bear has a twitter account?
Pretty good considering no thumbs

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:54:49am

Video of people fleeing as you hear rapid gunshots.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:56:30am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:56:45am

The fellow they’re talking to on WGN now made a good point: In most of these cases, the shooter is either taken out by police or kills themselves.

Now this guy is apparently on the run, so that makes me think he planned this out - engage and escape. How long he stays on the run is, of course, impossible to guess and it’s possible that the shooter may kill themselves later at some point or do a suicide by cop. But this seems to me there was planning involved.

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:57:34am

3…2…1.. that very soon it will be revealed that some sewer site like 4Chan, 8Kun, or whatever fucking mutant hangout is out there was host to this latest American shooter terrorist gloating about an upcoming “event to remember” and some weird ass fascist shit.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:58:27am

re: #66 No Malarkey!

Yep, I counted 18 shots in rapid succession.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 11:59:29am

re: #69 Florida Panhandler

3…2…1.. that very soon it will be revealed that some sewer site like 4Chan, 8Kun, or whatever fucking mutant hangout is out there was host to this latest American shooter terrorist gloating about an upcoming “event to remember” and some weird ass fascist shit.

Maybe some “manifesto” will turn up on one of those sites. Might already be there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:02:15pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:05:49pm

Tomorrow’s Wordle. I call this one “Fenced Ditch”.

Wordle 381 3/6

⬛⬛🟨⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

I’d almost forgotten what a three looked like.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:08:54pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:10:25pm

Firearm was found on the rooftop. As per presser on WGN right now.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:12:14pm

re: #56 Teukka

He’s a piece of shit. Pritzker will hopefully embarrass the fuck out of him in November.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:13:06pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Firearm was found on the rooftop. As per presser on WGN right now.

These fuckers always have more than one gun. I hope they catch him before he kills again.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:13:19pm

JFC, America:

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:14:01pm

Apropos of nothing, I thought I’d share a picture of how small the two zines I made that I attempted to hand out at Grace Community Church (John MacArthur’s cult) are.

I’m going to write another zine with tips about protesting. A woman drove up from Santa Monica to protest with me, and she brought SO. MUCH. STUFF. I am of the Travel Light school of protesting, because even though I’m one of those people who tries to obey the law as much as possible, I never know when things might get weird and it’s a good idea to get out of what might be a bad situation.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:14:43pm

re: #76 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s a piece of shit. Pritzker will hopefully embarrass the fuck out of him in November.

I get Hastert vibes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:14:54pm

The authorities are stating the shooter used a “high-powered rifle” but didn’t elaborate.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:18:21pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Definitely no bolt-action hunting rifle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:18:39pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

$50 says it was an AR-15

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A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:18:44pm

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:19:47pm

re: #82 GlutenFreeJesus

Definitely no bolt-action hunting rifle.

Yeah, that was semi-auto. You could tell by just hearing it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:20:51pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

That video. Didn’t hear the gunshots at first. Had to replay. It sounded like parade drummers.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:22:13pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

$50 says it was an AR-15

Most likely. Could’ve been a Type 56, which is a 7.62x39mm AK-47 copy out of China. Don’t know how widely available those are in the US, though.

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:26:56pm

Already seeing “Black on Black Crimes” whataboutism posts from conservatives on Facebook.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:29:05pm

Made my reservations for Amsterdam in October today. The way this country is going I think I may just stay there.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:30:40pm

re: #69 Florida Panhandler

3…2…1.. that very soon it will be revealed that some sewer site like 4Chan, 8Kun, or whatever fucking mutant hangout is out there was host to this latest American shooter terrorist gloating about an upcoming “event to remember” and some weird ass fascist shit.

I was having this thought too. “Hey, someone should do a fourth of July parade while the marching band goes by so that no one knows it’s gunshots!” “That’s sick!” “Yeah it is.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:32:23pm

They’re saying the gunman has been on the run for about four hours now and ATF is tracing the firearm back to hopefully ID the shooter.

Oh yeah, I’m pretty sure this was planned out. And I wonder if the shooter was an out-of-stater.

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wrenchwench  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:33:36pm

Wingnuts don’t want to talk about CRT or gender or sex in schools. They think mental health is something you do in the privacy of your own home, or at the office of a certified practitioner.

Certified practitioners are going to be needed at each school to talk about suicide. So many of these mass shootings are suicides with company. They are going to need to find a way to tell each and every child that they matter and we want them to stay. And then show it by taking care of the planet and all the inhabitants.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:38:15pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

We don’t know that, but we do know that the suspect is white, so if he is apprehended alive he’ll get a trip to McDonald’s on his way to jail.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:43:06pm

Waukesha, WI is trending because gun nuts want you to know that it could have just as easily have been a vehicle. (Christmas Parade where dude fleeing police drove through the crowd and killed 6).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:43:59pm

re: #93 Ace Rothstein

We don’t know that, but we do know that the suspect is white, so if he is apprehended alive he’ll get a trip to McDonald’s on his way to jail.

Only white suspects who are racist, or anti-Semitic or Trump supporters. After all, Michael Reinoehl, suspected of being “antifa”, was murdered by authorities.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:44:36pm

re: #95 Hecuba’s daughter

Only white suspects who are racist, or anti-Semitic or Trump supporters. After all, Michael Reinoehl, suspected of being “antifa”, was murdered by authorities.

Yes, that was a hit for sure.

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A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:45:18pm

OT:

Prior to retiring, I was on the Global Fraud team for the major telecom company.

So I am familiar with the actions taken to try and reduce robocalls. It’s a game of whack-a-mole as the robocallers find ways to get around the blocks.

The government mandated that the telecoms implement STIR and SHAKEN to help reduce robocalls (the deadline for large telecoms to implement these protocols was June 2021).

STIR/SHAKEN is a framework created to reduce robocalls by verifying the digital signature of an outbound call. Network providers are able to identify if a call is coming from a legitimate business or a scammer and label the call accordingly. STIR stands for Secure Telephone Identity Revisited.

STIR/SHAKEN uses the principle behind digital certificates to indicate whether a caller has the right to use a given telephone number. Knowing how a call originated in the network is a useful signal of trust. However, inbound call centers require more signals and analysis to authenticate callers.

However, the government mandate only applied to telecoms with over 100,000 subscribers. So the robocallers started routing calls through smaller telecoms which haven’t implemented STIR/SHAKEN. Without STIR/SHAKEN in place, it’s possible to spoof the caller ID on robocalls.

Anyway, it seems the government has now moved up the date for the smaller telecoms to implement STIR/SHAKEN.

The Federal Communications Commission today said it closed a robocall loophole by requiring small phone companies to implement the caller ID authentication technology known as STIR and SHAKEN.

Large voice providers were required to implement STIR/SHAKEN a year ago. But there was an exemption for carriers with 100,000 or fewer customers that would have given those smaller companies until June 30, 2023, to comply.

The FCC voted in December to move that deadline up to June 30, 2022, because small phone companies were apparently carrying a disproportionately high number of illegal robocalls.

This may reduce the number of robocalls. However, as I noted earlier, it’s a game of whack-a-mole trying to close each loophole the scammers use. But this change should at least help.

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:45:53pm

re: #93 Ace Rothstein

We don’t know that, but we do know that the suspect is white, so if he is apprehended alive he’ll get a trip to McDonald’s on his way to jail.

I’m sure they will be careful and not bang his head against the top of the cop car while carefully placing him in the back seat.

Once he is inside safe in the cop car on his way to jail and a trial I’m also sure they will tell him not to feel so bad, that his terrorism will soon be eclipsed by the next American shootout due in a few days or weeks. That should take some heat off his predicament.

And then they can all rant together in the car about how White Entitlement doesn’t exist and that BLM are the real racists.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:46:04pm

I’m just waiting for the GOP spin, which I presume will be something along the lines of “See, everyone, you’re looking at this wrong. This young man was merely celebrating his God-given Second Amendment constitutional rights on this Fourth of July by raining some freedom down upon his fellow countrymen!”

We all know it’s coming….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:48:14pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

At least they can’t say doors could have helped this time.

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EstebanTornado1963  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:48:20pm

re: #89 Ace Rothstein

I’m looking at Portugal. (Or somewhere in Hawaii if I choose to stay in US)

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:48:47pm

How Jill Wine-Banks Uses Witty Pins to Express Her Progressive Politics (Vogue, 2018)

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:50:39pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:51:10pm

JFC….this is a fresh FB video - someone caught the shooting on video.

reddit.com

I’ll have to count how many shots I heard.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:52:36pm

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

Roughly 26 shots from the first volley, then a pause - probably to reload - then another 20+ shots fired.

Damn.

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:53:58pm

That is fucking terrifying. And only semi-auto too.

Mind you, Libertarians think that fully-automatic weapons are a God-given Right. And they are for now ascendant in our political reality.

In our new Libertarian Utopia, this country is going to be a fucking massacre on a daily basis.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:54:00pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

Recounted: 32 shots first volley, about 25 shots in the second volley before the video ends.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:56:12pm

re: #106 Florida Panhandler

That is fucking terrifying. And only semi-auto too.

Mind you, Libertarians think that fully-automatic weapons are a God-given Right. And they are for now ascendant in our political reality.

In our new Libertarian Utopia, this country is going to be a fucking massacre on a daily basis.

Fixed it for you.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:56:39pm
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Belafon  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:58:25pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

The authorities are stating the shooter used a “high-powered rifle” but didn’t elaborate.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:58:49pm

I think we can stop speculating about the GOP talking point that’s coming

We don’t need to regulate guns. We need more dumpsters.

Here is my 4th of July message: Fuck every single, gun-humper in America.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 12:59:30pm

re: #59 John Hughes

I live in Southern Maryland which is pretty liberal and safe. I wouldn’t live in a red state or anywhere in the deep south though. Seems like Republicans have a stranglehold down there.

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A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:00:53pm

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:02:36pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:02:49pm

re: #110 Belafon

If that’s the firearm that was actually used, holy shit. Bipod mounted and scoped.

Yeah, that doesn’t strike me as some spur-of-the-moment sorta thing.

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:03:23pm

This just came over the transom from elpais.es, so it’s in Spanish. It’s the world we’re facing.

Condenada a 50 años de prisión una joven que perdió un embarazo en El Salvador

Organizaciones feministas alegan que la mujer, de 21 años, tuvo una emergencia obstétrica. Se trata, aseguran, de la primera vez que se aplica la pena máxima desde que se prohibió por completo el aborto

This is a rough translation of the hed and subhed: A young woman who lost her pregnancy in El Salvador was sentenced to 50 years in prison. Feminist organizations allege that the 21 YO woman [19 at the time of the incident], had an obstetric emergency. However, this is the first time that the maximum penalty was applied here.

elpais.com

It should be noted that this incident took place in a very poor part of El Salvador, the young woman is from a poor family, and medical care is scarce on the ground. Nevertheless, she is being held accountable for the failure of her pregnancy, and in fact, she basically had the burden of showing that she did not try to abort her fetus.

I’m hoping that El Pais translates this into English for its English version. I’ll post it, because basically, it is a clusterfuck and we’re looking at this kind of crap in our country.

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:03:34pm

re: #110 Belafon

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I’m assuming someone here can not only identify the gun, but tell what year the iron was dug up from the ground to make it.

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:04:21pm

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

If that’s the firearm that was actually used, holy shit. Bipod mounted and scoped.

Yeah, that doesn’t strike me as some spur-of-the-moment sorta thing.

I would assume that’s a cop gun

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:05:18pm

re: #110 Belafon

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Ahh yes, I know that model of rifle well in that picture… my family used them for hunting deer back in the day…..

Ah..who am I trying to bullshit?

NO CIVILIAN NEEDS THAT LEVEL OF FIREPOWER. PERIOD. This country is verifiably insane.

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:05:19pm

re: #118 HRH Stanley Sea

I would assume that’s a cop gun

It’s the gun left by the gunman, on the 6 story building he shot from.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:05:56pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:06:05pm

re: #120 Belafon

It’s the gun left by the gunman, on the 6 story building he shot from.

Wow.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:10:59pm

Comment from a person who was at the Highland Park parade (interviewed on MSNBC).

“It struck me that these kids were little like between 7 and 10. They were scared. They had terrified looks on their faces but they were so composed because they’ve been through active shooter drills and they knew what to do. They knew what to do because of moments like now.”

It’s unconscionable to me that even one person thinks any of this is okay let alone being a mjoar part of the GOP platform. America has absolutely nothing to celebrate today.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:12:43pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:15:28pm

re: #114 gocart mozart

A T-Rex would’ve come in handy right about then. A full grown T-Rex would actually be a relatively safe animal to have at Jurassic Park. Humans are too small to be worthwhile for a T-Rex to chase; it would expend more calories chasing a human than it would get from eating one. Just throw it an animal carcass every now and then, like a few cattle, and it would be good.

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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:15:55pm

re: #120 Belafon

It’s the gun left by the gunman, on the 6 story building he shot from.

On the cop shows they would keep that a secret from the public to help weed out false admissions. Maybe possession of a rifle trophy counts as coup. I would rather it be a scalp because I fell asleep listening to Blood Meridian last night. So I plead temporary insanity until that session wears off.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:16:09pm

re: #123 Teddy’s Person

If Americans really wanted gun reform legislation, they will not vote for Republicans who have made it very clear that they worship guns. We have two parties and it’s clear which one will at least work towards gun reform legislation even if SCOTUS knocks it down.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:17:32pm

re: #110 Belafon

Based on that brickwork, looks like he was shooting from here, from the top of this building:

google.com

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:18:24pm

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

Based on that brickwork, looks like he was shooting from here, from the top of this building:

google.com

That’s what people from there in the threads I’ve read are saying.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:19:02pm

we cannot regulate guns in any way because it might inconvenience or infringe on the rights of even one law abiding citizen, even if temporarily. (as if, but ok)

so we must live with almost daily mass shootings by people who obviously, in hindsight, should not have had access to firearms

meanwhile

we must regulate with ruthless and draconian efficiency every possible avenue to abortion lest even one slips through, because that one single life is oh so ‘precious’

apparently none of the lives of those people killed by guns are ‘precious’

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JC1  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:21:13pm

re: #106 Florida Panhandler

That is fucking terrifying. And only semi-auto too.

Mind you, Libertarians think that fully-automatic weapons are a God-given Right. And they are for now ascendant in our political reality.

In our new Libertarian Utopia, this country is going to be a fucking massacre on a daily basis.

Full auto might cause less damage, right? The full magazine going in the same location?

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:21:39pm

re: #125 No Malarkey!

A T-Rex would’ve come in handy right about then. A full grown T-Rex would actually be a relatively safe animal to have at Jurassic Park. Humans are too small to be worthwhile for a T-Rex to chase; it would expend more calories chasing a human than it would get from eating one. Just throw it an animal carcass every now and then, like a few cattle, and it would be good.

we’re gonna eventually figure out that T-Rex was actually an herbivore.
their teeth were because the vegetation was much tougher back then
(might have even fought back)

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:22:06pm

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

Scratch that - this looks like it.

google.com

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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:22:34pm

That’s not his gun.

Find me link that says it is?

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:26:11pm

re: #130 Dangerman

we cannot regulate guns in any way because it might infringe on the rights of a law abiding citizen (as if, but ok)

so we must live with almost daily mass shootings by people who obviously, in hindsight, should not have had access to firearms

meanwhile

we must regulate with ruthless and draconian efficiency every possible avenue to abortion lest even one slips through, because that one single life is oh so ‘precious’

apparently none of the lives of those people killed by guns are ‘precious’

Sacrifices to America’s great blood God, the Tree of Liberty, whose thirst can never be quenched.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:28:57pm

The “good guys with guns” solution to gun violence fails again.

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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:30:11pm

re: #134 HRH Stanley Sea

That’s not his gun.

Find me link that says it is?

I think it is a cop’s gun, it has a magazine too short to carry as many rounds as were fired.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:37:26pm
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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:40:48pm
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sagehen  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:44:04pm

re: #139 Dangerman

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that’s an *awesome* commercial.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:47:23pm

That weapon looks like it has a suppressor or a Bull barrel.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:47:31pm

re: #123 Teddy’s Person

Comment from a person who was at the Highland Park parade (interviewed on MSNBC).

It’s unconscionable to me that even one person thinks any of this is okay let alone being a mjoar part of the GOP platform. America has absolutely nothing to celebrate today.

I have thirty years of military service, three wars plus a war zone tour as a contractor, and 7-10 year old children know what to do under fire as well as I do. This is shameful and insane.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:47:36pm

According to a presser from the Lake County Sheriff, the suspect was able to get to the roof (and escape) with a ladder.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:47:59pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:52:54pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

According to a presser from the Lake County Sheriff, the suspect was able to get to the roof (and escape) with a ladder.

Clearly, we have to start regulating ladders.

/

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 1:57:01pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

According to a presser from the Lake County Sheriff, the suspect was able to get to the roof (and escape) with a ladder.

That is fixed to the building.

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Captain Ron  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:00:15pm

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:00:42pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:01:00pm

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

In a generous show of bipartisanship, McConnell will support a bill spending 50 Million on architectural adaptations to a Free-Fire America.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:02:16pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:02:52pm

re: #147 Captain Ron

That’s a scary damn thing to see, even though I can understand it might be necessary. That being said, if, let’s say, the authorities had a SWAT sniper up on a rooftop overlooking the parade route for security purposes, then why didn’t they home in on the shooter?

Fair enough, it happened damn fast.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:04:38pm

re: #147 Captain Ron

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This is part of what wingnuts want for schools (just speculating).

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:05:56pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:06:07pm

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Where’s Bambi’s Mum?

Later that day, after a difficult day of saving adorable forest critters, Bigfoot kicked back with a beer and a fine venison burger…..

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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:07:01pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

I live in Southern Maryland which is pretty liberal and safe.

1. You don’t have universal health care. I do not consider that “safe”. (I live, from time to time, in the “third world”. When I live there I have an insurance policy that will evacuate me to a place where healthcare is not rationed, but there is still a nagging sense of dread).

2. Maryland has a murder rate of 9/100,000 France has 1.2/100,1000. Doesn’t sound too safe to me

I’ve seen interviews with people in Somalia. Most of them talk about how normal and safe it is. Until it isn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:07:08pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

Later that day, after a difficult day of saving adorable forest critters, Bigfoot kicked back with a beer and a fine venison burger…..

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or a hearty stew:

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:07:25pm

re: #135 No Malarkey!

Sacrifices to America’s great blood God, the Tree of Liberty, whose thirst can never be quenched.

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I have stared at that cartoon for five minutes and I still can’t understand the point it’s trying to make.

Well, to be honest, I think I do, because I speak wingnut fairly well, and I don’t want to admit I’m right.

Basically the tree is commanding Donald Trump and the GOP to start slaughtering Democrats/liberal/perceived enemies of all stripes so it can drink their blood and grow strong.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:09:23pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:09:40pm

re: #155 John Hughes

Well, as someone who also has Canadian citizenship, I agree with you that by comparison, America is a pretty tough country in many ways. I was just pointing out that where I live, I’m relatively okay. It’s in no way comparable to Somalia.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:11:11pm

(7 tweet thread)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:12:08pm

He posted this less than an hour ago…

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Moe Avattar  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:12:53pm

re: #56 Teukka

“Darren (Bailey) is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and an advocate for the constitutional right to bear arms. In the Illinois State Senate, Darren voted against sweeping gun control legislation. Darren is an advocate on behalf of gun owners in Illinois and believes that education is crucial for those opposed to gun rights. As an avid outdoorsman himself, he is a proud member of both the National Rifle Association and the Illinois State Rifle Association, as well as Guns Save Life.
As Governor, he will continue to protect the Second Amendment.”

baileyforillinois.com

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:17:24pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Well, as someone who also has Canadian citizenship, I agree with you that by comparison, America is a pretty tough country in many ways. I was just pointing out that where I live, I’m relatively okay. It’s in no way comparable to Somalia.

Eh, I’m across the river from Philly in a “safe” town. Philly has really gotten nuts over the last year. Like, literal innocent bystanders getting murdered for no reason nuts.

As for my area: we went to see the Doc Strange movie a few weeks back. Including the two of us, there was a group of four kids in front of us and a single dude in our row.

Single dude starts acting erratic a few minutes into the movie: muttering to himself, leaving multiple times during the movie. Eventually he doesn’t come back.

I warned my parter and kept my eye on the back of the theater for the rest of the movie. Literally I’m thinking, “Are we going to be two more bodies for the Second Amendment before this film ends?”

America may not be Somalia, but I would strongly urge non-Americans to avoid us at all costs for the while.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:17:33pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

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He posted this less than an hour ago…

The GOP wants to defund the police and let everyone be their own armed private security force.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:17:38pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

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He posted this less than an hour ago…

An infinitesimally small percent of gun owners actually use their guns to protect their families

The vast majority claim they’re doing those other things

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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:17:45pm

Sigh. I already couldn’t bring myself to fly my flag today. Highland Park just adds to that…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:18:52pm

re: #162 Moe Avattar

“believes that education is crucial for those opposed to gun rights”

Education about what exactly? The 2nd Amendment refers to a well-regulated militia. SCOTUS and rightwingers conveniently leave that phrase out when talking about gun rights and the Constitution.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:21:21pm

re: #166 William Lewis

Sigh. I already couldn’t bring myself to fly my flag today. Highland Park just adds to that…

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I’ve seen numerous posts like yours today on social media. It’s sad. My dad wasn’t an overtly political guy, though he voted Republican until GWB’s second term. But he took pride in taking out an old heavy flag that we stored away the rest of the year to put up on July 4th. I don’t put one out because it’s become a kind of semaphore for Trump supporter where I live.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:21:25pm

re: #163 Mattand

You sound a bit like my ex-husband. He would always sit at the back of the theater so that he could watch everyone else in case someone tried something. I thought he was paranoid but now I find myself doing the same thing. Sigh.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:22:46pm

Mitt Romney: I hope for a president who can rise above the din to unite us behind the truth.

Rando: Mitt, if you really believed that, you would leave the Republican Party, sit as an independent, and throw your support behind Biden in the kind of “national unity” approach to governing necessary to save democracy.

Danger: Ps mitt, the magas hate you.

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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:22:49pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

. It’s in no way comparable to Somalia.

of course it’s comparable to Somalia.

The whole point of comparison is to compare different things, preferably by defined metrics.

If heaven existed you could compare it to hell. One would be better.

To get back to numbers: nice liberal Maryland has a murder rate nearly 9 times that of France (which is, in European terms, one of the more violent countries).

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:22:51pm

re: #169 Patricia Kayden

I do not go to the theater for a movie; I get a download and watch it at home.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:23:10pm

re: #167 Patricia Kayden

Even if you ignore that part, the part they didn’t ignore says NOTHING ABOUT individual rights. It refers to PEOPLE which is a collective.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:23:40pm

re: #170 Dangerman

Pps

Nothing says “America in denial” like a mass murder at a 4th of July parade, courtesy of mitt’s own NRA sock puppet political party that has been waging war on safe/sane gun safety legislation for decades.

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Belafon  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:24:29pm

re: #147 Captain Ron

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I stand corrected then.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:24:46pm

re: #168 Barefoot Grin

I’ve seen numerous posts like yours today on social media. It’s sad. My dad wasn’t an overtly political guy, though he voted Republican until GWB’s second term. But he took pride in taking out an old heavy flag that we stored away the rest of the year to put up on July 4th. I don’t put one out because it’s become a kind of semaphore for Trump supporter where I live.

That sounds like my mom. She hung the flag (my parents received as a wedding present) on the porch in the morning and took it in at dusk.

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:26:34pm

re: #163 Mattand

Eh, I’m across the river from Philly in a “safe” town. Philly has really gotten nuts over the last year. Like, literal innocent bystanders getting murdered for no reason nuts.

As for my area: we went to see the Doc Strange movie a few weeks back. Including the two of us, there was a group of four kids in front of us and a single dude in our row.

Single dude starts acting erratic a few minutes into the movie: muttering to himself, leaving multiple times during the movie. Eventually he doesn’t come back.

I warned my parter and kept my eye on the back of the theater for the rest of the movie. Literally I’m thinking, “Are we going to be two more bodies for the Second Amendment by before this film ends?”

America may not be Somalia, but I would strongly urge non-Americans to avoid us at all costs for the while.

I have found myself acting in a similar manner in public places. Always looking for a quick exit strategy especially when with my kids. I also within the past few years have grown increasingly concerned of armed road rage drivers emerging from their vehicles ready to fire. With my kids deep into school I cannot simply pack up and move elsewhere in the world, at least not without some sort of freak job opportunity with generous family benefits. So here we stay for now in our little section of Florida, always looking figuratively over my shoulder for the next American 2nd Amendment well-regulated militia, ready to kill me or anyone else that gets in his way of “freedom.”

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:26:35pm

re: #165 Dangerman

An infinitesimally small percent of gun owners actually use their guns to protect their families

The vast majority claim they’re doing those other things,**

** And still scream they should not in the least way be even temporarily inconvenienced. As hunters, skeet shooters, etc.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:27:39pm
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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:28:09pm

re: #172 PhillyPretzel

I do not go to the theater for a movie; I get a download and watch it at home.

Speaking of movies. Did you enjoy the second Downton Abbey movie?

I didn’t think it was going to be available for download so quickly after it was released in the theater until you posted that you were watching it. Thanks!

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:29:18pm

re: #180 Teddy’s Person

Yes. It is a good follow up from the first movie.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:30:36pm

re: #173 Amory Blaine

Even if you ignore that part, the part they didn’t ignore says NOTHING ABOUT individual rights. It refers to PEOPLE which is a collective.

What they meant by people were white men who were required to “sign up” for militia duty and attend periodic musters instead of having a standing army. That’s the historic context for the 2nd amendment.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:31:05pm

No, America and Somalia are not equivalent. If you wanted to go into a bad neighborhood in Somalia, you had to have a whole convoy, preferably with a couple of M-60 tanks (borrowed from the Italians) along for deterrence even though they are bad for what’s left of the pavement.
In America, you can probably manage with a single MRAP, or possibly even an armor kitted Humvee if you have drone support.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:33:01pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

😂 I can safely say that where I live, things haven’t gotten that bad. Thankfully.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:33:17pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

No, America and Somalia are not equivalent. If you wanted to go into a bad neighborhood in Somalia, you had to have a whole convoy, preferably with a couple of M-60 tanks (borrowed from the Italians) along for deterrence even though they are bad for what’s left of the pavement.
In America, you can probably manage with a single MRAP, or possibly even an armor kitted Humvee if you have drone support.

Which, if I recall correctly, is more than our soldiers had in the early years of the forever wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:34:36pm

re: #182 Teddy’s Person

What they meant by people were white men who were required to “sign up” for militia duty and attend periodic musters instead of having a standing army. That’s the historic context for the 2nd amendment.

That and that said militia existed as a way to put down slave revolts; the 2nd amendment was required by the south so they could have their guns to keep their property in line.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:35:06pm
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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:35:35pm

re: #184 Patricia Kayden

😂 I can safely say that where I live, things haven’t gotten that bad. Thankfully.

I live in the Seattle area so I feel pretty much the same as you do about where you live, execpt for an occasional thought that there’s eastern Washington and Idaho not too far away, although there is a mountain range between us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:36:09pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:36:31pm

re: #164 Teddy’s Person

The GOP wants to defund the police and let everyone be their own armed private security force.

Years ago, Grover Norquist, the worst person to come out of Massachusetts, said something just like this.

He used the example of a “real” American couple, who shouldn’t have to pay taxes because, as he put it, “They have the Second Amendment. They don’t need the police. They don’t need to pay for Big Government.

(N.B: A lot of wingnuts will be joking about the shooter being enraged over his taxes. This is a very common trope. As the Boston Marathon bombing was just happening, someone in my FB circles joked that it was “tax day”, which is near Patriot’s Day in Mass.

I never got so angry as I did on that day. Watch for the deflections.)

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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:37:58pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

or a hearty stew:

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We are working towards a similar end:

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:37:58pm

re: #186 William Lewis

That and that said militia existed as a way to put down slave revolts; the 2nd amendment was required by the south so they could have their guns to keep their property in line.

As we would say today, this is the quiet part no one said out loud.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:42:17pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But a hunter could want one of those rifles so we can’t possibly regulate it.
You know, feral hogs and such.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:42:26pm

re: #190 Sherlock Hound

“real” American couple
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:44:37pm

It’s not a remarkable thread, but I love this comeback to an Internet “pundit.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:45:10pm

snip

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:51:06pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:55:10pm

In the latest The Orville a physically aggressive bigot first gets shut down by a woman, then by an alien robot.

This is not a show for Republicans.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:56:09pm

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

According to a presser from the Lake County Sheriff, the suspect was able to get to the roof (and escape) with a ladder.

I’m sure Ted Cruz will be proposing limitations on ladders within two days on Fox.
///

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 2:56:16pm

re: #194 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, that is Grover’s kind of couple. We have those types in Mass.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:02:40pm

re: #182 Teddy’s Person

What they meant by people were white men who were required to “sign up” for militia duty and attend periodic musters instead of having a standing army. That’s the historic context for the 2nd amendment.

Which was found to not work out so well in the War of 1812 when the militias ran more than once when facing British regulars again. Which led to the President’s Mansion in Washington, D.C. getting burnt out. After which they painted it white to cover up the scorch marks.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:02:43pm

re: #186 William Lewis

That and that said militia existed as a way to put down slave revolts; the 2nd amendment was required by the south so they could have their guns to keep their property in line.

In the North, they used it to protect against Indians, Canadians and bears.

(also, to find dinner).

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:05:28pm

re: #201 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Which was found to not work out so well in the War of 1812 when the militias ran more than once when facing British regulars again. Which led to the President’s Mansion in Washington, D.C. getting burnt out. After which they painted it white to cover up the scorch marks.

As one British officer quipped, “Never did men with arms in their hands make better use of their legs.”

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Ferdinand  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:10:15pm

Seeing in the comments on TPM that the suspect has been named. 22 year old rapper who’s father ran for mayor of Highland Park in 2019?!? Suspect is a rapper with the stage name “Awake”. WTF!?! I hate this timeline

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John Hughes  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:17:31pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie
Ok that’s pretty funny, and you nearly got me to make an outraged reply, but, because I’m a pedantic dick:

I didn’t try to say that the US was as bad as Somalia (although some US citizens aspire to that).

I said that many, possibly most, people in Somalia think things are bearable. They mostly get on with their lives. Yes, occasionally people get murdered for no obvious reason, but that’s the way it is everywhere, right?

Remind you of somewhere?

(Also Somalis spend much less time in the DMV).

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:18:29pm

re: #182 Teddy’s Person

What they meant by people were white men who were required to “sign up” for militia duty and attend periodic musters instead of having a standing army. That’s the historic context for the 2nd amendment.

Not entirely—Free Blacks were members of militias, though that’s probably only in non-slaveholding states. G. Washington didn’t especially like it, but needs must when the Devil drives.

army.mil

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:18:35pm

re: #204 Ferdinand

Seeing in the comments on TPM that the suspect has been named. 22 year old rapper who’s father ran for mayor of Highland Park in 2019?!? Suspect is a rapper with the stage name “Awake”. WTF!?! I hate this timeline

cbsnews.com

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A Cranky One  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:18:41pm

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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:23:31pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:26:13pm

re: #200 Sherlock Hound

Yeah, that is Grover’s kind of couple. We have those types in Mass.

Sometimes they escape to the North country. Link is to Ed and Elaine Brown.

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:26:46pm

re: #209 William Lewis

Great sign, but if I flew it, it would start a local Kome Kowners Kassociation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:27:45pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:29:14pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Great sign, but if I flew it, it would start a local Kome Kowners Kassociation.

That would be a “Concerned Citizens Committee”. Otherwise known as an ordinary “neighborhood association”. Sadly these exist.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:30:15pm

re: #213 Sherlock Hound

That would be a “Concerned Citizens Committee”. Otherwise known as an ordinary “neighborhood association”. Sadly these exist.

Long history—the White Kollar Klan.

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:30:45pm

re: #206 Decatur Deb

Not entirely—Free Blacks were members of militias, though that’s probably only in non-slaveholding states. G. Washington didn’t especially like it, but needs-must.

army.mil

Not originally,

Miltia Act 1792

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the
or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.

The Militia Act of 1862 amended this to allow African Americans.

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:30:50pm

Welcome to July 4, 2022, when it’s ok to erase pregnant people completely. And I harp on about my mother nearly dying in childbirth, because, you know when I was a kid, about the only thing my mom mentioned was that I was an expensive baby. As we’ve gotten older, she’s opened up more about what happened and it really was a dicey thing. She didn’t tell me how truly serious it was until after Dad died in 2014.

So yeah, I’m tired, very tired, of anti-abortion fanatics completely erasing pregnant people.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:30:51pm

re: #186 William Lewis

That and that said militia existed as a way to put down slave revolts; the 2nd amendment was required by the south so they could have their guns to keep their property in line.

Except, of course, that there were militias in the colonies before there were slaves.

Could we stop with the twitter-eye view of history just for the day? Our ancestors deserve better.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:31:37pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:32:23pm

“Awake the Rapper” is a person of interest in the Highland Park shooting.

Youtube Video

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:34:11pm

re: #219 gocart mozart

“Awake the Rapper” is a person of interest in the Highland Park shooting.

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Video

Also, that symbol, it rings a very uncomfortable bell, but nothing specific. May have to be rotated 45°.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:34:49pm

re: #199 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I’m sure Ted Cruz will be proposing limitations on ladders within two days on Fox.
///

Maybe just the rungs

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:35:18pm
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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:35:54pm

re: #202 sagehen

In the North, they used it to protect against Indians, Canadians and bears.

(also, to find dinner).

You know if feral hogs weren’t a threat at the founding….

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:35:58pm

re: #176 Teddy’s Person

That sounds like my mom. She hung the flag (my parents received as a wedding present) on the porch in the morning and took it in at dusk.

I only hang my flag on flag observances and federal holidays. My flag is flying today.

The out-of-towner Christian Nationalist crowd in the park across the street from me has grown larger today. Christians do not own our nation’s flag, and i will not allow the wingnuts to take that away from me.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:37:23pm

re: #215 Teddy’s Person

The organized militias predate the Revolution, and the British had majority-black Colonial Marines units. One was released from service in this ares, and became part of the garrison of Negro Fort between the Revolution and 1812.
en.wikipedia.org

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:37:30pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I only hang my flag on flag observances and federal holidays. My flag is flying today.

The out-of-towner Christian Nationalist crowd in the park across the street from me has grown larger today. Christians do not own our nation’s flag, and i will not allow the wingnuts to take that away from me.

IIRC, my mom put it out on Veterans Day, Memorial Day and 4th of July.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:38:15pm

re: #223 Dangerman

You know if feral hogs weren’t a threat at the founding….

I like to think of them as Volunteer BBQ.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:38:15pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Great sign, but if I flew it, it would start a local Kome Kowners Kassociation.

Ditto

Kinda proves the point behind the sign though, don’t it?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:38:46pm
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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:39:56pm

re: #229 GlutenFreeJesus

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Video

Totally not a Nazi … /S

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:41:39pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

The organized militias predate the Revolution, and the British had majority-black Colonial Marines units. One was released from service in this ares, and became part of the garrison of Negro Fort between the Revolution and 1812.
en.wikipedia.org

My comments were not intended to be a comprehensive history of militias in the US, but the thinking about militias at the time the Constitution was written.

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:42:00pm

re: #216 mmmirele

Welcome to July 4, 2022, when it’s ok to erase pregnant people completely. And I harp on about my mother nearly dying in childbirth, because, you know when I was a kid, about the only thing my mom mentioned was that I was an expensive baby. As we’ve gotten older, she’s opened up more about what happened and it really was a dicey thing. She didn’t tell me how truly serious it was until after Dad died in 2014.

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So yeah, I’m tired, very tired, of anti-abortion fanatics completely erasing pregnant people.

Doesn’t answer or even address the question of why the “preborn” (smdh) should have superior constitutional rights over the actually born

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:43:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:43:38pm

jfc his name is “crimo”

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:44:44pm

re: #218 Teukka

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Commissioner, the word is “drivel”

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The GOP is a racist terrorist organization  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:46:31pm

It’s time to infringe the living shit out of the 2nd amendment.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:46:49pm
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HRH Stanley Sea  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:48:32pm

re: #219 gocart mozart

“Awake the Rapper” is a person of interest in the Highland Park shooting.

[Embedded content]

Am I old or is that sick shit? Probably normal….

Watch your sons America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:50:26pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:50:56pm

re: #236 The GOP is a racist terrorist organization

It’s time to infringe the living shit out of the 2nd amendment.

Time to start showing up to elect Dems who will appoint and confirm Justices who will demonstrate some reading comprehension. It’ll be a while.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:54:59pm
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sagehen  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:55:03pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Everything will be all right in the end.
If everything isn’t all right… it’s not the end.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:56:13pm

The picture that seems to be emerging so far is an 8chan chud/incel/weirdo.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:57:35pm

re: #237 Teukka

That guy has incel tattooed all over his face. 🤬🤬🤬🤬

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 3:58:13pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:00:56pm

Disturbing images

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Teddy's Person  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:03:02pm

What is a Catboy? Let’s go to the googles

A catboy, sometimes spelled cat boy or catboi, is a boy who dresses up as a cat. The term is usually in reference to a femboy and furry-adjacent persona with both human and cat features. Although they do not always participate in kink, they are often portrayed as sexualized and submissive characters. Contemporary catboys are typically recognizable by their cat ear and tail accessories and they’re often seen wearing maid costumes.

Nazi Connecton: CatboyKami (goes to Know Your Memes) pals around with Nick Fuentis

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DodgerFan1988  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:05:20pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:05:33pm

His father ran for mayor in 2019.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:05:38pm

Not even an hour after he was ID’d.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:08:03pm

re: #230 Teukka

Totally not a Nazi … /S

Most definitively not a Nazi… /S
On a serious note, that discord invite lines up with why he put a symbolic “jew” icon in his video…

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:13:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:13:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:16:50pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:19:53pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:21:59pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:23:01pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has SMOTI claimed Crimo is a registered Democrat yet?

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:23:02pm

Yep, another proud example of “white supremacism” going on right now.

This guy would fit right in with the Jan. 6 pathetic loons currently rotting in jail right now. This is a national tragedy that this country allows lunatics to arm up with weapons designed and meant specifically to kill humans.

There comes a time in every country throughout history when a significant portion of the population says “welp, time to get the fuck outta this disaster zone of a country.” I feel the USA is right at the tipping point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:26:11pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:29:07pm
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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:30:17pm

re: #251 Teukka

Most definitively not a Nazi… /S
On a serious note, that discord invite lines up with why he put a symbolic “jew” icon in his video…

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Really not a nazi or fash…

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EstebanTornado1963  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:31:07pm

This asshole had a 47 tattoo

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:32:42pm
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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:34:12pm

re: #262 EstebanTornado1963

This asshole had a 47 tattoo

Is that a reference to Trump’s second term, or is it some Nazi reference I’m unaware of?

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:34:25pm

Europeans will never run out of news from the United States.

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:36:15pm

This doesn’t conflict with conservative doctrine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:37:07pm

So I just looked up the “Awake the Rapper” YouTube channel and (I’m sure it will not surprise you) dudes music is absolute trash.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:39:25pm
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Acemarilllion  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:39:32pm

Love his “Where’s Incel?” cos-play at the Trump rally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:40:46pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:46:10pm

re: #262 EstebanTornado1963

Where did you see that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:46:59pm

dammit

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:47:41pm

I had to get away from twitter. It was too much.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:48:13pm

Crimo is in custody.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:48:30pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

America, Fuck yeah!

/

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:48:51pm

re: #257 No Malarkey!

Has SMOTI claimed Crimo is a registered Democrat yet?

Dunno, but when I searched his name in an incognito window on Youtube, lots of rightwing conspiratorial channels with dubious sounding names popped up, blasting his name and trying to link him to Antifa.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:49:28pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:50:31pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Tonight there’s gonna be a jailbreak…”

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:52:51pm

re: #276 A Three Hour Tour

Dunno, but when I searched his name in an incognito window on Youtube, lots of rightwing conspiratorial channels with dubious sounding names popped up, blasting his name and trying to link him to Antifa.

Of course.

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A Three Hour Tour  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:53:58pm

re: #273 PhillyPretzel

I had to get away from twitter. It was too much.

My blood pressure has been higher today than it has been in weeks, probably in combination from pain, lack of sleep, and obsessing over today’s events. It’s like the combined stressors overpowered my medication.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:54:27pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:54:54pm

re: #280 A Three Hour Tour

Especially today’s events.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:56:32pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:56:39pm

re: #281 The Pie Overlord!

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Well, yes, Charlie Eyes-too-close. One was a shitbag running from the cops and the other was a guy who lapped up your style of propaganda.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:57:33pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:59:09pm
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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2022 • 4:59:35pm
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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:01:21pm

beef, mostly

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:02:33pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:04:06pm

re: #289 No Malarkey!

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LOL. This is how I lash out at work.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:04:41pm

re: #287 William Lewis

In the unlikely event she won the nomination, at least we know she wouldn’t attempt a coup when she loses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:06:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:07:31pm

re: #288 jeffreyw

Looks awesome, my dude. I would eat that right up.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:08:10pm

re: #232 Dangerman

Doesn’t answer or even address the question of why the “preborn” (smdh) should have superior constitutional rights over the actually born

“Pre-born” is not a thing. A foetus is not a child, an egg is not a chicken, an acorn is not an oak tree, a berry is not a poison ivy plant.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:08:15pm

Crazy to think just a few years ago I was working at a restaurant one block away from this.

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:08:27pm

re: #291 No Malarkey!

In the unlikely event she won the nomination, at least we know she wouldn’t attempt a coup when she loses.

In theory.

Since she’s a Cheney, her family go to is probably shooting a friend in the face first.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:09:06pm

“Caught ‘im”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:09:22pm
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sagehen  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:10:14pm

re: #278 Barefoot Grin

“Tonight there’s gonna be a jailbreak…”

Youtube Video

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:11:32pm

Fireworks are legal in this town. So our local FB page this time of year is full of people pleading for consideration for their pets or their loved ones with PTSD. These people are uniformly called “Karens” by the local shit bags. This year I decided to do just a few google searches on the shitbags. I was wrong. Most of them are just local business people (stands to reason because fireworks are pretty expensive) but there are always a few with felonies. I can’t understand why these people mouth off on FB when they have probation issues. I know I’m biased. I just loved fireworks when I was a kid, but then as an adult stopped being too impressed.

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Mattand  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:12:23pm

I saw a lot of talk of Cheney running 3rd party, since Trump has such a strangle hold on the GOP. Which in theory would be good, as she’d probably draw enough “This isn’t my GOP” cowards to possibly damage Trump.

Unfortunately, I know enough non-Trump voters who’d vote for her along the lines of “Well, she’s a woman who hates Trump, so that’s good enough for me. We need moderates like her! We need a woman president!!!”

Never underestimate how stupid American voters are.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:13:02pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:13:18pm

re: #299 sagehen

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Video

I love that band even though it’s not the music I typically listen to.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:13:20pm

re: #295 GlutenFreeJesus

Crazy to think just a few years ago I was working at a restaurant one block away from this.

Do you recall if you ever saw the creep? Back then, he would’ve been a kid without the tattoos

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Florida Panhandler  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:13:56pm

re: #301 Mattand

DeSantis is shrewd enough to ask Cheney to be his VP.

Whether she accepts is a different story.

DeSantis is going to beat Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:14:05pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:15:17pm

re: #291 No Malarkey!

In the unlikely event she won the nomination, at least we know she wouldn’t attempt a coup when she loses.

I try to imagine what a Cheney coup would look like.
*Shudder*

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:17:17pm

re: #304 No Malarkey!

Nope.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:17:49pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:18:25pm
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Mattand  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:18:30pm

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I try to imagine what a Cheney coup would look like.
*Shudder*

Unfortunately, the word “competent” comes to mind.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:20:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:22:40pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:23:19pm

re: #307 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

I try to imagine what a Cheney coup would look like.
*Shudder*

It won’t be violent.
I think it will be like when apartheid was introduced in South Africa. By the time anyone outside knew about it, it was fait accompli. The political version of the Colts moving to Indianapolis, only a whole lot worse (Baltimore lost a football team, but not their country or their rights.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:23:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:25:44pm

The Onion front page completely covered again with “No Way to Prevent This” articles.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens (The Onion, two hours ago)

HIGHLAND PARK, IL—In the hours following a violent rampage in which a lone attacker killed at least six individuals and injured more than two dozen at a Fourth of July parade, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Monday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Faye Perkins, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep shooters like this from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:26:39pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can confirm. My FB is filled with similar thoughts. When the info on the suspect comes out, you’re never gonna hear from these people again on the subject.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:27:48pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the fuck does “SSRI” stand for?

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:27:58pm

Prayer and “God’s Will”. Fuck off with that!

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:29:38pm

re: #319 Sherlock Hound

Prayer and “God’s Will”. Fuck off with that!

“It was his time, and nothing to do with the fact I left a loaded gun where he could reach it.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:29:41pm

re: #318 No Malarkey!

This is what I found at The Free Dictionary:
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:30:36pm

re: #318 No Malarkey!

What the fuck does “SSRI” stand for?

It’s becoming popular to blame psychotropic medicines.

What the likes of MTG fail at, and they fail continually, is understanding causation and correlation.

Many people are diagnosed with emotional disorders and get prescribed medicines by psychiatrists.

This does not mean the medicine is the cause of sociopathic behaviors.

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RoJo Must Go!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:31:24pm

re: #318 No Malarkey!

What the fuck does “SSRI” stand for?

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.

A class of drugs primarily used for treating mood disorders.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:31:26pm

THREAD

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:31:56pm

re: #321 PhillyPretzel

This is what I found at The Free Dictionary:
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com

She’s blaming the antidepressant. Cause it can’t be the gun that fired all those bullets into peoples’ bodies.

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Teukka  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:32:56pm

re: #318 No Malarkey!

What the fuck does “SSRI” stand for?

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:34:05pm

re: #322 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s becoming popular to blame psychotropic medicines.

What the likes of MTG fail at, and they fail continually, is understanding causation and correlation.

Many people are diagnosed with emotional disorders and get prescribed medicines by psychiatrists.

This does not mean the medicine is the cause of sociopathic behaviors.

Or perhaps a shorter explanation: All conservatives lie.

She’s not failing, she’s lying.

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Captain Ron  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:36:51pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:37:25pm

Nature beauty break Page anyone?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:37:26pm

re: #319 Sherlock Hound

Prayer and “God’s Will”. Fuck off with that!

Why yes, asshole, I do. This is the standard Christian deflection (including so-called “moderate” Christians) that it’s really atheists (when it’s not obviously a Muslim) who are mass murders. That of course despite you know, actual statistics of atheists and criming.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:38:40pm

re: #325 No Malarkey!

She’s blaming the antidepressant. Cause it can’t be the gun that fired all those bullets into peoples’ bodies.

I take Lexapro and I have never had the urge to carry out a mass murder.

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retired cynic  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:38:49pm

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:39:10pm

re: #320 No Malarkey!

“It was his time, and nothing to do with the fact I left a loaded gun where he could reach it.”

If I hear one of those right-wing mommies or daddies whining about the cost of childcare…

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:40:52pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:47:28pm

re: #322 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s becoming popular to blame psychotropic medicines.

What the likes of MTG fail at, and they fail continually, is understanding causation and correlation.

Many people are diagnosed with emotional disorders and get prescribed medicines by psychiatrists.

This does not mean the medicine is the cause of sociopathic behaviors.

It’s always been popular to beat on “mind-altering medications”. Always.

I take Prozac.
30 years ago, there was a book called “Talking Back To Prozac”.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:50:34pm

More Florida fascism.

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No Malarkey!  Jul 4, 2022 • 5:58:28pm

re: #264 No Malarkey!

Is that a reference to Trump’s second term, or is it some Nazi reference I’m unaware of?

Duh “47” is usually a reference to an AK-47.

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EPR-radar  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:00:29pm

re: #336 No Malarkey!

This is step 1 toward implementation of whiner’s privilege for clown-shoe conservative ideas that are not competitive on their merit (because they have no merit).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:02:12pm
340
Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:02:23pm

re: #336 No Malarkey!

“The measure was among three education bills signed by DeSantis Tuesday. Other measures included an expansion of civics education for K-12 schools, including instruction about the perils of communist and totalitarian governments.”

Isn’t what DeathSantis is doing totalitarianism? Why is everyone playing along with this nonsense? Where is the ACLU? Fight back!! Sue.

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KingKenrod  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:04:09pm

I used to take Zoloft some time ago, and the worst thing I did was nod off at work.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:08:59pm

re: #336 No Malarkey!

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:15:31pm
344
PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:18:31pm

My neighbors are shooting off fireworks again.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:18:58pm

From a British co-worker:

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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:21:59pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:23:06pm

re: #344 PhillyPretzel

Mine too. Sigh.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:24:28pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:25:14pm

Identified by advanced image analysis! (Hidden for confidentiality.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:28:30pm
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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:29:31pm

re: #341 KingKenrod

I used to take Zoloft some time ago, and the worst thing I did was nod off at work.

These days a heavy lunch can do that to me, no drugs needed.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:30:38pm

re: #349 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:30:52pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:32:58pm

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

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mmmirele  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:34:25pm

re: #322 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s becoming popular to blame psychotropic medicines.

What the likes of MTG fail at, and they fail continually, is understanding causation and correlation.

Many people are diagnosed with emotional disorders and get prescribed medicines by psychiatrists.

This does not mean the medicine is the cause of sociopathic behaviors.

OK, I am a serious mental health consumer of the “better living through chemistry” type. I take mental health medications and they SAVED MY LIFE. I would not be a taxpaying benefit to society without

d242Rz08KNqaQEYZXEm8r98F5qC8eu4lsR3/dveBwGPdpR9DFtfQfNxoFuGQRSJa

If I don’t take them, I know what happens, and it’s the opposite of “taxpaying benefit to society.” There are millions of us, millions, who take these drugs and we’re not going out and shooting up the town. That said, I’m not going to say what my response would be if someone told me my meds were harmful to my face. At the very minimum they’d get the bird.

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sagehen  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:36:56pm

re: #337 No Malarkey!

Duh “47” is usually a reference to an AK-47.

Or he’s a Pomona College alum, we have special obsession with the number 47.

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jeffreyw  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:38:07pm

re: #293 Charles Johnson

There are leftovers.

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William Lewis  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:40:02pm

re: #353 jaunte

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:41:16pm



Lucy had been worried about hearing the big booms while she celebrated, but in a Fourth of July miracle, no one nearby fired anything.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:42:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:43:17pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:43:21pm
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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:46:55pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:48:29pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:51:57pm

re: #364 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:53:29pm

re: #291 No Malarkey!

In the unlikely event she won the nomination, at least we know she wouldn’t attempt a coup when she loses.

We also know she wouldn’t stab Ukraine in the back or sell us out to Putin. She would be far superior to DeathSantis.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:53:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 6:56:26pm
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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:06:27pm

re: #355 mmmirele

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Dave In Austin  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:10:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:10:40pm

re: #334 No Malarkey!

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Crush White Nationalism  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:13:07pm

re: #369 Sherlock Hound

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:15:31pm

niterz, lizardz!

374
Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:26:49pm

re: #319 Sherlock Hound

Prayer and “God’s Will”. Fuck off with that!

[Embedded content]

What it is is “not my fault” cop out.
Even when it was.

So no need to do anything different

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:26:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:27:29pm

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Dangerman (Namaste, bitches)  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:30:48pm

re: #323 RoJo Must Go!

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.

A class of drugs primarily used for treating mood disorders.

So mtg is some kind of expert??

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:32:57pm

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:36:33pm

re: #377 Dangerman

So mtg is some kind of expert??

She joins the chorus of people who scold others for taking “mind-altering medications”.
I am autistic and ADHD and I know her kind all too well.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:40:36pm
381
The Pie Overlord!  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:41:54pm

Fuck, not again.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:46:39pm

re: #381 The Pie Overlord!

Fuck, not again.

Once a tragedy, twice a coincidence, three times enemy action.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:49:41pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:53:18pm

It’s after sunset here, but still light. The wingnut Christians in the park have started setting up fireworks again in the street whilst singing hymns. I’ve already called the sheriff again for blocking the street without a permit. The department says a deputy is on the way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:54:15pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s funny how in making this argument they are basically stating that Republicans are all lame, vanilla people with no tattoos, colored hair, piercings, jewelry, etc.

How boring is that?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:55:28pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s literally wrapped in a trump flag….classic antifa. 🙄

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Sherlock Hound  Jul 4, 2022 • 7:57:24pm

re: #385 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny how in making this argument they are basically stating that Republicans are all lame, vanilla people with no tattoos, colored hair, piercings, jewelry, etc.

How boring is that?

Almost as if “white” has come to denote a “generic” culture with no uniqueness whatsoever. Almost as if people have to partake in Black American culture to feel American.

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A hollow voice says Vaccinate the world!  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:06:55pm

Hey, Charles, can we have a new thread, please? This one is getting… unwieldy.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:19:04pm

re: #385 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s funny how in making this argument they are basically stating that Republicans are all lame, vanilla people with no tattoos, colored hair, piercings, jewelry, etc.

How boring is that?

I’m a lame, vanilla person with no tattoos, coloured hair, piercings, jewellery, &c. (I managed to survive seventeen years of the US Navy with no tattoos.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:34:32pm

We had a minimum wage hike in Nebraska two elections ago through a ballot initiative. Nebraska’s wage was raised from $7.25 to $9.00.

A new ballot initiative has achieved the required signatures to be placed on the November ballot to raise the minimum wage to $15.00.

Measure to hike Nebraska minimum wage appears ready to qualify for November ballot (Nebraska Examiner)

On Friday, Raise the Wage Nebraska announced that it plans to turn in more than 130,000 signatures next week toward a requirement of submitting 87,500 signatures of valid Nebraska voters. The effort, according to a spokeswoman, is on track to submit enough signatures from 38 of the state’s 93 counties.

The initiative, if it qualifies for the ballot and is approved by voters, would raise Nebraska’s minimum wage to $15-an-hour by 2026.

(more)

Meanwhile, the medical marijuana initiative looks as though it will fail.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:42:29pm

LOL, just as they started launching fireworks from the street, the sheriff’s deputy showed up and shut them down.

If they wanted to do this legally, all they would have had to do was apply to the village clerk in advance for a permit to close the street. It seems unlikely the village would not approve it (we really don’t get a lot of traffic), the village would formally barricade the street, and the fire brigade would provide an on-site truck to be ready if needed.

You can’t tell these folks what to do though.

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jaunte  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:45:31pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 4, 2022 • 8:49:57pm

Yeah, I’m awful late to it, but happy “Fuck The English And Their Taxes!” day, my fellow lizards.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 5, 2022 • 7:28:15am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why wasn’t he shot 60 times?


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