In that case, her being covered with blood is quite apropos, don't you think?

Charles, I can't get the photo to show up, just a big blank space. Maybe from here?

Never mind.

Picture out-has x in corner; yahoo not loading

Cop kill a creep!

Pow! Pow! Pow!

never mind (but em is still a creep)

It's working for me now, big L-you?

OK ;-)

evariste--ok now, (thx)

evariste: can you translate the Arabic script on the poster?

Who does that?

Obviously, the first round in gave her a complete frontal lobotimy!

yes, just a sec Charles.

Let me Guess: "From the River to the Sea!" or something like that. Stupid B---.

Who is Emily Richard? I have to remember not to watch whatever she is in.

Emily Richard @ imdb

Is this her?

OK, the stuff in white type, I can't make out at all. At far right (viewer's right) is the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades logo. The text in yellow looks like "Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades renews its resolve and (cuts off sentence, next line) in the First Annual Remembrance (cuts off. probably "of the Iraq war").

First Annual Remembrance Anniversary is obviously the intended meaning.

#15 Rev. Churchmouse - check your e-mail about the NYC meet up or get together or whatever you want to call it on Sunday March 28th!

botox gone wrong---a son of a bitch when it happens,huh, J efn K?

Useful idiots, or just idiots?

#16, SoCalJustice,

picture person looks too young for someone born in '48

#16 SoCalJustice. If it is, the photo is an improvement.

OT:
Malaysia's "election" is on. The governing UNMO party is predicted to win, but the Islamofascist PAS party is expected to win at least one additional province, if not two. PAS provincial governments impose muslim personal law on ethnic minorities.
[Link: www.jeffooi.com...]

Jeff Ooi - a member of the oppressed Chinese minority - notes that the only choice is between different versions of "political islam." Is that democracy?

Some good guys showed up in S.F. today too. Good for them.

Charles,

Don't know if you saw my earlier post #230 but I was at the "Peace" rally in NYC today and the level of anti-semitism and anti-Israeli rhetoric was staggering.

Clearly the pro-palestinian factions have thoroughly influenced the LLL agenda and fully indoctrinated the simple minded sheep, who gleefully regurgitate any lies they are told.

It was a sad sight to see. However the PW crew did their best to present a counter message.

ve

What is this, the Brazilian Captain Planet?

To #23, she doesn't look too young, but the red paint on her face obscures tell-tale signs of aging. Look above her eyes and below her eyes and you can see wrinkles.

Brazilians are ugly. Here they equate Israel with Nazis. This one's for Doctor Bean :-)

Never heard of her. Al Aqsa groupie, huh? I'd like to

throw her silly ass in the dog pound with a necklace of

T-Bones.(apologies to necklace of shoes)

Fascinating, Charles. So basically, whoever got those posters printed broke the law. I wonderif there's any hope of following up on that. I wish some enterprising cop would read this and pay vile Ms Richard a visit to find out where she got the poster.

I googled Emily Richard (so to speak) and couldn't find anything that matched her age, as mentioned by del. I guess she's an "aspiring" actress. I wonder if she had to audition for this role and if she'll add it to her resume?
Even bad press is good press, I guess...

Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is on the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations.

Hey Charles, you should know better. They are resistance fighters, not terrorists. Its the Israelis who are the real terrorists.

/puke

Evidently it's no crime todeal with enemys of AMERICA any more.
jF'n k has admitted to doing it and there's no cops chasing him!

#29 evariste

Ugh that nasty thong pic again *shudder*.

So it is true. Blondes do have more fun.

evariste: it's really all about people hooking up...it occurs to me that there must be a lock for every key, a nut for every ball, and a ditz for every dunce.

here's another one from the slideshows

[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

d'ohh... i get it, its from the postmodern performance piece, the clenched fists of peace by Brinon

{smacks myself upside the head}

Orbit Rain-but why am I 3/4 of the way through the slide show and I've only spotted 2 hot girls? Everyone's ugly this round of protests. Ugly pig looking people. Flab all over the place. Disgusting faces. Ugh.

#31 evariste

Well, there's at least one lgfer with a bud in the SFPD ...

Aww, crap. This was in LA... {sigh}

#27 evariste

What is this, the Brazilian Captain Planet?

Didn't S. American countries like Brasil take in their fair share of Nazis after the second world war?

Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament! What a bunch of lefty loosers!! Is there a liberal group that didn't show up?

#41 Thom - I gotta turn in soon; I'm too old for tomfoolery this late at night.
But I did want to ask you if you know what happened on that other thread (the one "I" broke). Did I do or not do something I should or shouldn't have done (other than point out what a shit country Brazil is and other than my usual attempts at humor, I mean)?

#40 Thom-yes, but this is in Hollywood, not the City.

Is she doing performance art? I don't get it.

#43:

*GASP*

Is that George Galloway with a cigar in his mouth? Doesn't he know that he is supporting the evil AmeriKKKan tobacco companies which operate sweatshops, microwave kittens, and smother babies?

Nah, it's probably a Cuban.

Here's a great photo. It's from a protest in Chile, that great beacon of democracy and human achievement. The moron protester is holding a sign that translates to "US out of Iran"!!! What a maroon!! At least get the country we're occupying right. To add to the idiocy, the AP caption doesn't call him on it, but corects the mistake for him and translates the poster as "US out of Iraq". What? That's not a traslation; that's IQ raising.

Zachary Cohen, Doctor Bean-I love the angle of that shot; it makes his cigar look like a Hitler 'stache.

#44 realwest

LOL. I have no idea. I noticed that your post had a lot of <BR />s in it, but other than that this amateur eye saw nothing that might have broken the thread ...

I guess that means that I'm doomed!

Doomed!!

DOOMED!!!

realwest, it was too many periods...It messed with the part of the code that handles line-breaks. If you'll recheck your post you'll notice that Charles removed about 8/10ths of your periods from your post to get the page to look right.

There ya go, realwest - if you have a technical question go to evariste ... 'cause my hypothesis was total bullshit.

dB^)

#50 Thom and
#51 evariste

Thanks - next time I'll know better.
By the way, that $1,450 travel package is still available!!

Not one taker from LGF. I'll bet if I posted the offer on any of the LLL threads I'd get LOTS of takers!!

LOL!!!

Skank!

These are your kids teachers!

Let's give 16-year-olds the right to vote.

#50 Thom

DOOMED!!!

NEA union dues at work.

#51 spiny Norman - or in Iron Fist's case, DOMMED!
(ducks for cover in case Iron Fist is still around!)!

This protester seems like she just stepped out of an Israeli restaurant after a Paleo "activist" "activated" him/her self. Pity she wasn't witness to the real thing. Then again, why actually go see things as they are and risk life and limb when one can safely spew hatred safely within one's milieu?

Jimmy The Clam,

16? Hell, there's a numbskull Assemblyman here in Cali that thinks 14-year-olds should be able to vote.

#55 Spiny Norman

DINSDALE!!

#59 Spiny Norman

I heard about that. Utter insanity.

Are they afraid that they are running out of idiots that might vote for them?

#58 Israel's Amos

This protester seems like she just stepped out of an Israeli restaurant after a Paleo "activist" "activated" him/her self. Pity she wasn't witness to the real thing.

Activated. Sheesh. If I'd thought of it sooner, I'd like to have been there with pictures of the results of her precious "Martyrs".

#54 Jimmy The Clam,

The illogic is apparent on the (young) face of it. Didn't know they taxed minors in Teen LLLand. They must be getting faulty education, cause of which is shown in your second link.

#60 Thom - dinsdale? DINSDALE? Man you're too nice a guy to deliberately make me feel old, but WTF is Dinsdale?
and while you and a few others have been on the Doomed theme, mine remains one with which I am more than familiar:

DRINK!!!

That goes for you, too, Spiny Norman!!!

#61 Jimmy The Clam

Are they afraid that they are running out of idiots that might vote for them?

Ya think?

# 63

If they work they likely do pay taxes. I know I did back when I was 15.

Personally, I still think the 26th Amendment was a mistake.

Kind of looks like Courtney to me.

Never heard of her.

realwest

Thank you for the opportunity:

Good evening. On 'Ethel the Frog' tonight we look at violence. The violence of British Gangland. Last Tuesday a reign of terror was ended when the notorious Piranha brothers, Doug and Dinsdale, after one of the most extraordinary trials in British legal history, were sentenced to four hundred years imprisonment for crimes of violence.

(skipping down a bit)

Was there anything unusual about him?

I should say not. Dinsdale was a perfectly normal person in every way. Except is as much as he was convinced that he was being watched by a giant hedgehog whom he referred to as Spiny Norman.

How big was Norman supposed to be?

Normally he was wont to be about twelve feet from nose to tail, but when Dinsdale was very depressed Norman could be anything up to eight hundred yards long. When Norman was about, Dinsdale would go very quiet and his nose would swell up and his teeth would start moving about and he'd become very violent and claim that he'd laid Stanley Baldwin.

A Monty Python All-Time Classic

#64 Realwest,

Monty Python reference. Perhaps you're too young to get it...

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Reporter following trail of corruption in EU arrested (on orders of the EU)
3/21/04 by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Police arrested a leading investigative journalist yesterday on the orders of the European Union, seizing his computers, address books and archive of files in a move that stunned Euro-MPs.

Hans-Martin Tillack, the Brussels correspondent for Germany's Stern magazine, said he was held for 10 hours without access to a lawyer by the Belgian police after his office and home were raided by six officers.

"They asked me to tell them who my sources were. I replied that was something I would never do. Now they have all my sensitive files, so I suppose they'll find out anyway," he said last night.

"The police said I was lucky I wasn't in Burma or central Africa, where journalists get the real treatment," he added.

Mr Tillack said the raid was triggered by a complaint from the EU's anti-fraud office, OLAF. He was accused of paying money to obtain a leaked OLAF dossier two years ago, which he denies.

The European Ombudsman has already come to his defence, issuing a harsh criticism of OLAF's campaign to silence him.

Mr Tillack, who describes himself as a "pro-European federalist", has been OLAF's most vocal critic, accusing it of covering up abuses within the EU system.

As the author of a recent book on EU corruption, he has the greatest archive of investigative files of any journalist working in Brussels.

OLAF was created to replace the old fraud office UCLAF, which was accused of covering up abuses by the disgraced Santer Commission. Many UCLAF staff were transferred to OLAF.

dennisw,

"The police said I was lucky I wasn't in Burma or central Africa, where journalists get the real treatment," he added.

Vee haff vayz of making you talk, zee.

Lovely. The return of the Gestapo.

OT:
War on Iraq a go-go from get-go, according to "60 Minutes," tomorrow:
[Link: www.macon.com...]

Hmmm...what about the country that supplied 19 of the 20 9-11 hijackers, and still permits Islamofascist clerics to incite violence against Jews, Christians, Hindus and Seculars? War was a no-go.

Lesson: the elites won't fight Islamofascism. Anyone for people-power? Not yet but its coming!

#54 Jiommy the Clam. The girl with the sign "I'll support our troops when they turn their guns around" Does she mean "Just shoot me"?

Everyone's ugly this round of protests. Ugly pig looking people. Flab all over the place. Disgusting faces. Ugh.

#39 Everiste you hit the nail on the head. Liberals are ugly people and they smell terrible. I'm in a pro-Israel group on my campus and we're the lookers while all the anti-Israel people are all ugly and have insane lazy eye.

I hope everyone who took part in the protests dies a horrible death. They're terrible people. I have no tolerance for such hateful, irrational scoundrels.

OT, more sophistication from the EU:

London Telegraph
March 20, 2004

Reporter following trail of corruption in EU arrested

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels

Police arrested a leading investigative journalist yesterday on the orders of the European Union, seizing his computers, address books and archive of files in a move that stunned Euro-MPs.

Hans-Martin Tillack, the Brussels correspondent for Germany's Stern magazine, said he was held for 10 hours without access to a lawyer by the Belgian police after his office and home were raided by six officers.

"They asked me to tell them who my sources were. I replied that was something I would never do. Now they have all my sensitive files, so I suppose they'll find out anyway," he said last night.

"The police said I was lucky I wasn't in Burma or central Africa, where journalists get the real treatment," he added.

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Too bad this Emily Richard didnt crush herself with a bulldozer to simulate St. Corrie's injuries.

OT, gains from Gitmo:

The New York Times
March 21, 2004

Guantanamo Detainees Deliver Intelligence Gains

By NEIL A. LEWIS

GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba -- Military officials say prisoners at the detention center here have provided a stream of intelligence to interrogators during the past two years, including detailed information about Al Qaeda's recruitment of Muslim men in Europe.

Military and intelligence officials also said those detainees who were cooperative had provided information about Al Qaeda's chemical and biological weapons efforts, had spoken about the training of suicide bombers, and had described Al Qaeda's use of charities to raise money for its aims.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I hope everyone who took part in the protests dies a horrible death. They're terrible people. I have no tolerance for such hateful, irrational scoundrels.

You could always enlist and go to Iraq and do some of that killing for yourself.

But nah, you're just a fat little twerp sitting in your mommy's basement typing on your computer.

I have no tolerance for such cowardly chickenhawk, sniveling little scoundrels.

Enlist Fucker or shut your mouth.

OT:
Chi-Com' diplomacy with Saudi Arabia.
[Link: www.gulfnews.com...]

Opportunity knocks.

#73 Elle Plater
I must not think bad thoughts...
But if she insists!

On a different subject altogether:
How many here thought things would turn out this way?

Nine percent said Mel Gibson's film actually has made them less likely to blame today's Jews, while less than 2 percent said they're more likely to fault modern Jews or Jewish institutions.

Like they say, truth is stranger than fiction.

Survey: 'The Passion' May Be Reducing Anti-Semitism

# 78

GAZE

Somebody needs a hug.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

What are the odds that "smoot" and "Fuck Freepers" are the same person?

Did little Mr. F. Freepers get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

That's OK kid, the big strong men in uniforms that you spit on will protect you.

"The same depraved posters that are plastered across the walls of the West Bank and Gaza are now carried by Western idiots through the streets of Los Angeles."

If you were in Baghdad and not Los Angeles you wouldn't have to look at them, would you?

#78,

well gollleee,

But nah, you're just a fat little twerp sitting in your mommy's basement typing on your computer.

i'm a-thinkin that applies to you, there, son.

That's OK kid, the big strong men in uniforms that you spit on will protect you.

Can I spit on somebody like President Shithead, a deserter who wears a uniform he doesn't have the right to wear?

Exhibit A: L'Enfant Provocateur

#83, #87, #89...

I think you should fly immediately to Washington DC, hop the Whitehouse fence and give that fantasy a try son.

If you were in Baghdad and not Los Angeles you wouldn't have to look at them, would you

Hmm. Got a point there. Maybe the US marines should liberate L.A.

Any of my fellow SoCal LGFers catch the channel 11 news tonight on the LA protest? Apparently, there were some scuffles between the moonbats and some counterdemonstrators (not PW, as far as I could tell), and the Fox reporter on scene and his cameraman kinda got stuck in the middle. One of the el-cubos started shoving the camera guy around, trying to block the lens and yelling "Who are you filming for?" Typical leftist crap...

Rayra-just finished it. Good work soldier! ;-)
I love that the Freepers were there.

#89,

umm...better ask your mommy first and only do it if she gives you permission otherwise something bad might happen like the monsters in your closet might come out and eat your arm and suck out ONE of your eyes yeah those bushitler monsters hiding in your closet ohhh itss ssooo ssccaarryyy help! yelp!

Hmmm ... 0205 and many bars on the Right Coast are closing ... Hence the troll influx?

Photo - He is wearing Disney characters, Che, that Palestinian thing...

A protester with a mask reading 'No War' and a likeness of Latin American revolutionary hero Ernesto 'Che' Guevara takes part in an anti-war march, in Pari, March 20, 2004. Anti-war protests are taking place in many cities around the world on the anniversary of U.S.-led war in Iraq (news - web sites). REUTERS/Jacky Naegelen

#89 - He's not President anymore. He now just does the "counseling troubled young women" stuff up in NYC. I think his wife has a job, though...

Thom-426 readers and rising! I bet you're right.

Re #48:

The moron protester is holding a sign that translates to "US out of Iran"!!!

It's a little more ambiguous than that. The last word on the sign could be either "IRAN" or "IRAK" (the latter being the Spanish word for Iraq). Due to the angle the sign is being held at, and the lack of any other N's or K's on the sign, I can't be sure what that last letter is.

By the way, are there any scheduled demonstrations in support of the U.S. and allied military effort in liberating Iraq? I know that there were a few last year.

Milk bar? Ah, ready for a bit of the ol' ultra-violence, me droogan matie?

As we walked along the flatblock marina, i was calm on the outside but thinking all the time. So it was to be Georgie the general saying what we should do and what not to do and Dim as his mindless grinning bulldog. But suddenly I viddied that thinking was for the gloopy ones and the oomny ones used like inspiration and what Bog sends. Well now, it was lovely music that came to my aid. There was a window open with the stereo on and I viddied right at once what to do...

#84 Rayra:

Just a few comments on your pix...

62-64: I think the rope's a feeble attempt to stop the Protest Warriors from crashing the party. ANSWER's tried on more than one occasion to rope PW off, only to back off when the media showed up.

95: Did I read that sign in the middle right? "Hang the Newsmen"? You mean the media aren't on the LLL's side"? (/sarcasm)

97: Actually, I think Einstein's covering the memory chip, unless his ID's in a different format from the standard. If he's indeed a vet, he better be damn glad he's retired, because otherwise he might just be violating the Hatch Act...

Thom,

Hence the troll influx?

Nothing on the referrers list, except a bunch of hits from that pompous twit Tacticus. Apparently one his syncophant monkeys was trolling yesterday and he's bragging about it.

#32 - Wingnut

Apparently Emily Richard the "actress" has only one movie credit, from almost 20 years ago: Forbidden Passion, Oscar Wilde the Movie.

Those of you who were worried that you might have accidentally seen one of her films can breathe a big sigh of relief now.

As the director in True Romance said "I have more taste than that in my penis."

Rayra

Great pictures! I see Charles was there looking down on the marchers, starting w/ 086 I think, and several later pictures.

That couldn't have been her IMDB entry. The woman in the picture didn't look 56 years old. She probably doesn't even have enough film and TV credits to even have an IMDB entry. She is as unaccomplished as she is sickening.

Please pardon my self-pimping, but why don't European and Indian communists support their Iraqi comrades?

link

In response to #78:

You could always enlist and go to Iraq and do some of that killing for yourself.

But nah, you're just a fat little twerp sitting in your mommy's basement typing on your computer.

I have no tolerance for such cowardly chickenhawk, sniveling little scoundrels.

Enlist Fucker or shut your mouth

As a infantryman in the Army, I figure I'd throw in my $.02 cents.

What America and the West need is not more soldiers or weapons [though I'll gladly take another division or two]. What it needs is courage and willpower. Islamic fascists/Terrorists have labeled the West as a "paper tiger" for good reason; we lack the backbone to fight and defend ourselves.

My company [from the 10th Mountain] just returned from Afghanistan a little over a month ago. All that we have done there can be undone in a matter of weeks or months if America lacks the willpower to see it through. You could give the United States 250+ million soldiers and the result would be same every time...

If you lack the will, you will virtually ALWAYS fail.

The war between the West and Islamic fascism will not be a matter of who's guns are bigger, or who has better trained soldiers, for the West wins easily if it were so . It is instead a matter of which side has the willpower to succeed.

In this case, it is the homefront which is far more important than the battlefield itself. That is not meant to be construed as an insult to my fellow servicemen. But America's strength comes not from its military, but from it's citizens. Soldiers cannot fight on both the battlefield and back at home. For the latter, it falls upon the citizens.

If that "fat little twerp sitting in his mommy's basement typing on his computer." is the person who actually has the courage and willpower to see this thing through, then I rather have him then some snotty college kid protestor, who gets his knowledge of how the world works from Communist manifestos and Chomsky ramblings, and who'd rather appease, chant fancy slogans, and bend over than stand up and fight for their survival.

For every GI during WWII, there were thousands of men and women back home supporting and producing for their cause. These people did not receive medals, pins, or badges of honor. They took solace in that they did what they believed was right. In essence, you're insulting them due to the fact that they didn't pick up a rifle and fight on the battlefield. The homefront is THE battlefield, in the sense that it is fought through verbal dialogue and willpower. Hell if I'm just going to stand here and let you insult citizens because they don't want to bend over and submit to insane radicals.

Seeing that you have such a disrespect for what America stands for, perhaps it should be YOU that needs to enlist?

Enlist Fucker or shut your mouth.

Wow, that's a nice way to censore someone.

Not buying it...

#83

Truth hurts doesn't it

What must really hurt is having your bullet-shaped head lodged in your gastro-intestinal tract. I think all of your combat experience must come from fighting for air, wanker.

#5 Deathberg:

Concentration moon.

Nice work!

#109 Scrutineer -

I've been unable to access your link but I'm interested in your question, could you elaborate?

Where will it end?

In revolution, not against the government, but against the entire culture and industry of sound-bites, emotionalism, and adolescent aggression that nurtures and incites these barbarians.
Know the enemy:
[Link: www.press.uchicago.edu...]

As for you, #78, you infantile totalitarian commissar-wannabe, you have neither gulags, nor secret police, nor torture chambers, nor rape rooms, nor even plastic shredders to back you up.
Commands and pronouncements such as yours are worthless without them, and not guaranteed even with them.
Acquaint yourself with the career of one Julius Streicher: follow his path, share his fate.

#97 Baldy

Photo - He is wearing Disney characters, Che, that Palestinian thing...

And a plastic eyeball. A fan of A Clockwork Orange?

The kiddie toys on the war face remind me of those posters that show up in Northern Pakistan a couple of years ago during the Afghanistan war, with the picture of OBL and Bert from Seseme Street. Some people just have no clue.

# 110 Cpl Menno

Well stated and THANK YOU for your service. Some of us appreciate it tremendously.

Protests against the war in Iraq were noticible by their absence in Arabia. Mind you, protests about anything are extremely rare in this part of the world, anyway.

#89 President AWOL

Can I spit on somebody like President Shithead,

I'd like to watch you try.

a deserter who wears a uniform he doesn't have the right to wear?

I don't believe you give a damn about the people who serve in the military, or the sanctity of their uniforms. Your argument is therefore a misdirection.

An interesting development in Iraq:
Anti-terrorist vigilantes of the Black Flag underground organization have begun threatening media organizations whom they accuse of collaboration with the car-bombers and other Baathist/jihadi elements.

[Link: www.iraq-today.com...]

Actress? This is L.A.! More like:

Actress/director/songwriter/unemployed waitress/anti-semite/terror supporting fruit loop beeyyyaaatch.

Prediction:...
A year from now we will look back in amazement at the acheivements of the US led coalition in Iraq. Hopefully we will witness a burgeoning democracy and a peaceful population working hard to establish a country they can be proud of.
The International Left will claim credit for "ending the occupation of Iraq" and call for protests worldwide to end all other unjust wars as well as US supported and financed colonial, imperialist aggession.

dennisw, spiny norman- That reporter needs to get the

hell out of Europe. Unless I am mistaken, Olaf is the

same bunch that is "inspecting" the finances of

the PA.

Cpl. Menno- Nice post- How come you aren't a Sgt. yet?

Encouragingly, the leftish Observer (the Sunday kinda-sister to the Guardian) takes a mocking tone in its report on the London demo.

"On top of his column, bedecked with a huge banner screaming 'No More War, No More Lies', Nelson looked down on the throng below.
There were the goths in their long black coats and Marilyn Manson T-shirts; cagouled pensioners clutching their Thermos flasks; Spanish students smoking Marlboros; assorted Big Issue sellers and hot-dog hawkers; and representatives from a cacophony of protest groups calling for everything from freedom for Palestine to a new global commitment to solar power.

Thousands of placards bearing the now familiar 'Bliar' and 'Make Tea Not War' were held aloft as union leaders and politicians took turns to address the enthusiastic, well-behaved crowd crammed into a drizzly Trafalgar Square.

George Galloway, the Independent MP for Glasgow Kelvin, told the demonstration that the allies' action had not been legitimate: 'Just because they call themselves the international community doesn't mean their actions are right.'

A message from London Mayor Ken Livingstone was read out: 'Everything we have learnt since the war has told us that it was totally unjustified.' The journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was captured by the Taliban and recently converted to Islam, called for the US prison in Guantanamo Bay to be closed down: 'If I had been captured by the US I would have been shaved, shackled and flown halfway across the world,' she said.

Earlier, a sound system segued Public Enemy's 'Don't Believe The Hype' with Norah Jones's 'Come Away With Me' as a giant video screen cut to a picture of Gandhi and flashed shots of last year's march.

Then, the demonstration was a million strong; yesterday's protest was smaller, although there were the usual arguments about the actual size - police claimed 25,000, organisers said four times bigger. True, there were whistles and drums, but the babies in buggies, the Twickenham brigade, the thirtysomething marrieds, were all missing this year. The celebrity turnout was also down. Last year the likes of Blur's Damon Albarn and Ms Dynamite were there; this year's crowd had to be content with violinist Nigel Kennedy."

Note that this was a miniscule crowd. A bit of a joke, really, if they have to rely on a clown like George Galloway as star speaker.

"Move along, nothing much happening here"

Lots of Brits remain unhappy about the WMD reasons given for war - but the debate has moved on, people are mostly more concerned with Iraq making progress towards better conditions and towards democracy.

What the Associated Press doesn’t tell you about Emily Richard and her little play starring Emily, is that she is holding an Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades poster

And it's one, two, three,
What are we Marching for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn.

Glen Wishard, dunno why the link isn't working for you.

I've posted/linked to pictures of Iraqi communists in Baghdad celebrating Saddam's capture and European and Indian communists protesting Bush and demanding Saddam's "unconditional release".

The latter two groups regard Bush as the real enemy, and they seem not to care how communists in Iraq suffered under the Baathist dictatorship.

OT:
Abu Bashir, the terrorist that most Indonesians love, threatens Australia:
[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

As usual, nothing will be done about it, and Bashir will follow up on his threats.

ISLAM IS TERROR, MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS.

(#126) JohninLondon

The journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was captured by the Taliban and recently converted to Islam, called for the US prison in Guantanamo Bay to be closed down: 'If I had been captured by the US I would have been shaved, shackled and flown halfway across the world,' she said.

It's always tough to guage the tone of a quote when reading it in print, but one suspects she said this with a glimmer of hopefulness.

German tourists pay top dollar for that kind of treatment.

OT: Blair forbids his ministers to help Kerry's campaign.

He's really on the right side, isn't he.

FOR ZULUBABY

Maybe someone who knows Him can point this out to him as he asked me to post any info on this please?

Anti-Semitic vandals strike again - Stained-glass windows broken in second outbreak Police chief outraged,' community decries `cowardly acts'

or a second link here: Creeps deface synagogue - Vandals attack in heart of Jewish Toronto

that second link may only last for today though

Thank you

The journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was captured by the Taliban and recently converted to Islam...

Good lord. This really is what's going to happen to alot of Europe, right?

These looney lefties hate mean old right wingers, but go even more conservative? I dont get it.

Another thought about that pic at the top - maybe it's really actress Sarah Polley, after making Dawn of the Dead.

#84 Rayra

Superb work there.

I had to laugh No. 98. Some clever dick thought they would quote The Smiths' Ask and can't even spell 'then'. What a berk!

Right.

How is your Arabic? Who told you this was a poster for the brigade? Do you think the actress in the photo is actually protesting in favor of suicide bombers in Israel? Do you think that is her intention, and if so, do you really think that reflects the beliefs of most protesters?

I don't think she is in favor of suicide bombings in Israel, and I don't believe you think that either.

But it sure does help you make that non-existent link between Al Quaeda and Iraq.

It sure does help you smear peace protesters as pro-terrorist.

I bet I could find some photos of a-holes on the fringe of the republican party that I could smear the rest of you with --guys like David Duke, etc...He was always big into the Torah, wasn't he?

Come to think of it, if I'm looking for photos of wingnuts on the fringe of their party, why don't you send me your picture?

I look at this kind of pictures with such disdain it is difficult to put into words. Everyone should be free to express their feelings - but, what attracts high paid actresses to stumble around in the street like that? Excitement? It couldn't be sympathy, because then one would have to explore the situation and, soon as one does that, one finds out that the people one is holding up their signs for are a murderous bunch of radicals that would turn against one's own person, should the situation permit.

So, in short, I'm laughing at those dumbo's that find their kicks in self-destruction. And, I'm disdained because that destruction does not only affect them.

Hatred at Faneuil Hall By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ

#138 Colt - the link can't be accessed unless you're a member and I'm not a joiner!
BTW - we had a grand old time on the Fraudulent Note thread yesterday (um, actually into the wee hours of today). I was so, so, er, ah, funny and clever that I actually broke the thread and Charles had to fix it!!! (I offered a vacation travel package worth $1,450.00 to anyone who could tell me one single goddamn thing Brazil has contributed to the world that would justify their demonstrater's mocking 9/11).
As you can imagine, a bunch of other regulars got on my case for breaking the thread and it just degenerated after that (or improved, depending on your point of view) into a drinking party.
I can't be sufficiently hypocritical to say STUDY; just do what your heart tells you to today.

OT, but funny headline:

"Dead" Knock "Christ" From Top Spot

#136 Steve:

It's pretty obvious that YOU don't know Arabic.

The second through fourth lines on the second line (first yellow line) clearly say:

Kata'ib Shuhada' Al-Aqsa

Which is, of course "Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade".

Idiot.

Sorry, should be "second through fourth WORDS on the second lines".

in all honesty, WTH is a "Freeper"?

jewels

slang for the posters at free republic.

"Freeper" = What IdiotMedia/DUh calls any poster to the right of Joseph Stalin.

ah...and this is bad...how? oh wait. never mind

Coward -

If you were in Baghdad and not Los Angeles you wouldn't have to look at them, would you?

Hmmm...you would appear to be suggesting that the Iraqis have a more sympathetic view of America, than these Los Angeles residents?

#136 But it sure does help you make that non-existent link between Al Quaeda and Iraq.

Evidently al-Qaeda believes there's a link, they attack Spain for their Iraq involvement after all.

#146 Frank IBC - exculding, of course, Iraq's living in Los Angeles!!!

#136 - steve

I bet I could find some photos of a-holes on the fringe of the republican party that I could smear the rest of you with --guys like David Duke, etc...He was always big into the Torah, wasn't he?

Sorry, Steve, but David Duke is on your side - as you would know if you would bother to educate yourself about this issue.

Maybe Duke could do it for you - check your local paper, he's probably coming to give an anti-war speech in your town.

Which goes to show you that not all protesters are pro-terrorist. Some of them are pro-terrorist and pro-Nazi, too.

Al-Qaeda has suitcase nukes: report

Well, hell -- that's not good.

#151 Lickmuffin - "Well, hell -- that's not good"

A nicer understatement I've only seen once, and that was when Colonel Custer sent a message to General Terry " I think I might have some problems with the Indians here at Little Big Horn."

well...fuckery.

David Duke did run for office as a Republican (in Louisiana he could do that) but the state party gave him no support, and always did tgheir best to distance themselves.

Ok, David Duke, antisemitic nutcase, rejected by Republicans

Al Sharpton, antisemitic nutcase, embraced by Democrats.

Does that help?

#110 Cpl. Menno

The homefront is THE battlefield, in the sense that it is fought through verbal dialogue and willpower.

True.

You can't fight Islamofacism without the support of the folks back home. And they won't support wholehartedly if they do not know what is at stake.

Spain caved in because the people did not know the stakes at play.

If a country knows exactly who the enemy is, and understands the plans of its foes, it will take more than 200 innocent victims for it to surrender.

LGF in its own way is doing its part in spreading the message of the dangers of Islamofacism, and what is at stake. I am glad to be a small part of this community.

#128 - Scrutineer

Thanks - the link to learnedhand.com still doesn't work for me, but I was able to view the photos. I'm sure the Indian and Euro-coms have already denounced the Iraqis as "social traitors".

These days, the only difference between a Marxist and an Islamic Jihadist is that Marxists are under the mistaken belief that they'll be in charge when all the Kufr are dead.

David Duke was always big into the Torah

He also digs soul food and singing karaoke to James Brown.

David Duke was a nutcase even in college. I saw a picture of him marching (maybe at LSU) as a student in a Nazi uniform with a sign that something truly obnoxious like "Gas the Jews" or something.

I think he is in the big house ATM for diverting Klan money to his casino gambling habit and tax evasion, IIRC.

Gotsta get ready for Mass.

139 Realwest (138 Colt)...

Here's another link to Dershowitz' article...

Israelinsider

OT and on a positive note; Madonna will be playing in israel.

Madonna to play israel

Ed Moran:

I think he is in the big house ATM for diverting Klan money to his casino gambling habit and tax evasion, IIRC.

Heh heh heh. In this Ben Johnson article,
how the Zionist conspiracy duped David Duke into thinking he could win at Blackjack:

Duke, renowned as a ladies’ man, has admitted using political donations for gambling in Las Vegas and the Bahamas. In a pathetic cover story, he told his followers he only did so because a friend had devised a system to "break the bank" and bilk the rich, casino-owning Jews out of their money!

Also an overview of the Moronic Convergence in general: How the anti-war left has bent over for Duke, the Klan, the Nazis, the National Alliance, etc.

Clearly the pro-palestinian factions have thoroughly influenced the LLL agenda and fully indoctrinated the simple minded sheep, who gleefully regurgitate any lies they are told.

Im all for deporting all native born Americans who are LLLs, as well as imports who are LLLs to Saudi Arabia where they can live in eternal bliss with their buddys.

;-)

I always feel that a large number of people in such crowds attend for the sheer party atmosphere and may not all have the same political viewpoints.

Granted, it is not an excuse but there are many who really dont have any idea of what goes on in the world.

Ok, so you should deport them as well, but just dont send them up here to Canada. ;-(

Shiksa Grrrl...

Hmmm...that gives me an idea...

Remember those movies like "Big", "Vice Versa", etc. where two people have their souls switched into each others' bodies?

How about if the entire populations of San Francisco and Riyadh switched places instantaneously? Now THAT would be cool!

#164 Shiksa Grrrll -

That seems to be the root of the problem. They think life is just one big party, and get angry at people who point out that freedom is not free.

The journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was captured by the Taliban and recently converted to Islam, called for the US prison in Guantanamo Bay to be closed down: 'If I had been captured by the US I would have been shaved, shackled and flown halfway across the world,' she said.

Wrong Honey, The US military doesn't capture British "journalists" unlike your newfound Taliban amigos.

Good analysis of where the left went wrong . . .

Deathberg, great Zappa reference!

I wouldn't waste much time reasearching this aspiring thespian through Google or IMDB.

In the case of Ms. Richard, I believe she means "actress," as in the common Los Angelese term for unemployed kitchen help.

OT, but my opinion of Tony Blair has really gone up. He is a true friend, and with everyone dumping on President Bush, this is impressive:

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Blair bans Labour Party delegation from flying to John Kerry's coronation
By Julian Coman in Washington and Colin Brown
(Filed: 21/03/2004)

Tony Blair has ordered Labour ministers and officials not to become embroiled in the US presidential race in an apparent attempt to avoid offending George W Bush.

The Prime Minister's veto on visits to the US means that only one minister, Douglas Alexander, will attend the formal crowning of John Kerry, the Democrats' candidate, in Boston in late July.

Tony Blair is said to back George Bush's re-election bid
Mr Blair's intervention, which will prevent his Labour colleagues from offering their traditional support to the Democrats, has astonished ministers who remember the close links Labour had with Bill Clinton during previous presidential campaigns.

In the past, up to 10 Labour officials and a few MPs have attended the Democrat convention informally, including close friends of the Chancellor and Downing Street aides.

One minister said last night. "It won't work because the Labour Party won't break off its contacts, but obviously it will be more difficult."...

PM Blair will no doubt catch a lot of flack for this, but Kerry will probably curse out a few Secret Service men in French.

#168 Maine's Michael

Thanks for the referral. Good article.

#158 Ed Moran
My dad was at LSU the same time as Duke, and he's told me how Duke used to rant at Free Speech Alley in his Nazi threads. He's now in jail where he belongs, but he's getting out in a few months.

Wish I had time to borrow some money from mom and dad's car to go protest the liberation of 50 million people, no, I won't be supporting any terrorists today because...oh yeah: it's St. Baldrick's Day again.

And a lovely day it is, blue skies and warm.

Time to shave the head for pediatric cancer research (National Childhood Cancer Foundation) and show support and soldiarity with the young patients.

Our local head shaving event raised over $35K last year.

St Baldrick's is now in over 100 US cities...check your local listings at:

Find a Cure

Sorry bout' the shameless plug, but it's a great cause, a cheap no fuss haircut, and lots of beautiful, courageous, laughing kids.

And thankfully last year, I found out my head was not as odd-shaped as I thought.

#136 Steve

That was really cute, your snide little remark about David Duke liking the Torah "too"---do you think he was a member of the big, bad ol' Zionist conspiracy, little man, and do you think we are, too, and you're accusing us of being---oh, gasp, shudder---JEWS? Oh, the shame, the horror!

You really are a gibbering antisemite, aren't you? Go crawl back under your rock!

It's hell when you get your period unexpectedly, isn't it?

OT -- Saudi Arabia Criticizes U.S. Reform Plans

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal criticized U.S.-led calls for reform in the Middle East on Sunday and said Arab countries could tackle their problems by themselves.

Um.. right. The Arabs and Muslims throughout the ME have done a really great job so far.

#110 Cpl Menno
You have a future as a writer.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some of your work has already been published.
Please post here more often.

#166 FrankIBC

George Bernard Shaw said: "Liberty means responsibility. That's why most men dread it." These protesters and the fascists they end up condoning, are united in the belief that freedom is far too heavy a burden to bear.

Quark 2
I missed your post to me in a previous thread.
Had to hit the sack.
If you see this & if you still want the info, e-mail me.

@165 Frank IBC

OMG! LOL!!!

Now I have that image burnt into my brain!

#181 Q2
Well, speak of the devil...

FreakyBoy,
Thanks for telling me about St. Baldrick's- what a great cause! My son's girlfriend is undergoing chemo for Hodgkin's disease, and just went bald. I bought a set of hair clippers and had him take me down to a number 3 all over the skull. Feels good! Also a way to celebrate the spring solstice- come on Mr. Sun!

#136 Steve

If you're still there, know that artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

It hurts my ears to hear the stupid statements about the “death of innocents” and the “tragedies” that are happening now because everybody knows that these are nothing comparable to the tragedies and losses we suffered in the past and those were for nothing.
And let them know that we’re ready to sacrifice more if that is the price needed to secure and maintain our freedom. Where were those paid off voices when we were murdered in thousands? Where were their ugly voices when Saddam used poisons on innocents?
That was not a war but a hope we were all dreaming of and we will never forget the sacrifices of the others and what they offered in the sake of our freedom.
A heart felt greetings to the heroes of this brave and just operation who never spare an effort to help us and listen to us.
God bless the souls of those heroes who died during this operation.
That was not a war but a salvation and a wonderful dream and unbelievable dream coming true.

-By Mohammed
[Link: iraqthemodel.blogspot.com...]

#164 Shiksa Grrrl

I always feel that a large number of people in such crowds attend for the sheer party atmosphere and may not all have the same political viewpoints.

They're going for the freak show and the sun tan.

#165 - Frank IBC

Wow, that would change lots of things - except for SF Indymedia, which would remain exactly the same.

#165 Frank IBC:

LOL. I see a remake of the classic:

The Thing with Two Heads

To keep OBL alive, his head is attached to Rachel Corrie's body...and the clash of idealogies ensues. Rachel discovers the sinsiter plot to remove her head and the movie ends with the famous "bulldozer chase" scene through the streets of Olympia.

@182 Zaide

:)

I am fixin' ta leave for church.. hope that recipe is
on it's way.

OT: That Eurotool Prodi is going to be talking about terrorism in Europe on Fox News Sunday in a few minutes.

Check out the photo:

Yahoo

Of the four "protest" signs in front, one is a pro-Socialism sign about Cuba and a second says "For Peace? But still eating meat?"

The so-called protests have less to do with war and more to do with their pet-extremist agenda du jour.

Craig:

Your more than welcome. I wish your son's girlfriend a full recovery.

Not only is it a great cause for some amazing kids, but you'll note on the website that most of the events are held at pubs...adults have a good time too. Last year, several people who vowed not to get the shave, had one too many pints and woke up the next day without their locks.

Here's another one:

Socialists love peace too

Rayra (#84) and Cpl Menno (#110)

Thanks for the antidote to the pictures and sentiments of the el-cubed ones.

Maine's Michael (#168)

Great link. And from Haaretz, no less. It's properly saved for whenever the next group of trolls come around extolling the pronouncements of Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International.

Then again, there's [Link: www.gopunk.com...]

OT, but I got to tell you about a serious turn in S.Asia..
--- This is about Powel's designation of Pakistan as US's Major Non Nato Ally...

Thank you Al Powel, you have messed up our Elections in India!

The ruling party, BJP worked night and day to rebuild lost relations with Israel to bring it up to the level of Allies.

And when 11 Sept happened, India was the first to offer its military bases and airspace for operations against the Taliban.

Today, the BJP tries to pitch its improved relationship with US as one of its election issues.

Al Powel lands in New Delhi and without a warning, goes on to Declare Pakistan as an Major Non-NATO ally in Islamabad.

BJP is shell shocked. THe Congress and leftists are braying for BJP's blood. They say that while BJP was sucking up to US, the Americans have literally kicked us in the back.

This is a very very bad moment just before Elections.

Al Powel could have embraced Mushy whenever he wanted after our Elections.. the timing was the worst and effect is going to be drastic :(

You can look at a terrorist, attacking a target, and describe what you see on different levels. You can say “Look at that man, he’s killing those people and himself!” Or, “Look at that suicide bomber, attacking non-combatants.” Or, “Look, an Islamic fundamentalist just blew up his victims, secular “infidel” businessmen, at the symbols for world trade and American defense.” You are describing the same act, but in the second and third statements, you are connecting the events to other events, to try to grasp some relationship between the events.

I believe that when people get September 11th right, it is to the degree that they connect ALL events to the context of the disaster. (That's why I read this blog) Their mind relates many concepts, such as America, Islam, freedom, submission, rights, force, individualism, religion, Capitalism, dictatorship, oil, poverty, money, the masses, individualism vs collectivism, selfishness vs sacrifice (to God or Community), state support for terrorism, and many more; all of this accompanied by an array of facts about the world in all of these categories.

To the degree they are wrong, they are focusing on only some events or one particular actor, event, or concept and evading the existence of other concepts.

The tip off is if a person writes, speaks and knows everything about a particular politician, George W. for example, but have little to say about other people, politicians, religions, countries, cultures etc, connected with the event. There are many relevant facts to the September 11th issue (and subsequent wars) than just the existence and actions of George W. Bush. There are other lands, with different people, all acting and interacting with each other. There seems to be no separate contemplation of what is going on independent from Bush in the minds of certain people.

Then, because there IS another world out there that people have to acknowledge, they take a cursory glance at what’s out there, and describe it with reference to what they know about the particular politician (idea) they’re against.

Witness the ironically named “Independent” Alligator “newspaper” in Gainesville. In quoting Donald Rumsfeld in an anti-Bush editorial, they slyly changed the wording of the quote to drop reference to mosques and madrassahs as training grounds for terrorists, because it didn’t serve to embarrass the Administration. At least eight subsequent letters to the editor by various readers were not even met with a response from the “newspaper.”

Then there are the people who protest in the streets. I don’t know if any particular protestor is down on the corner of 13th Street and University Ave because they’re anti-semetic (and believe that American policy is run by Jews), anti-Bush (and think American policy is run by Oil Barrons), or anti-American (and think that America was a more fundamental cause of September 11th), or pro-Communist (and just want to rail against Capitalism), or pro-Islamist (and want to see a Muslim Caliphate dominate the world), or pro-Muslim (and think that America is persecuting and attacking Islam), or just some hoodlum (that wants to drink outside and fight); but I see that they have a particular angle that they are viewing events from. None of these people can trace the cause of September 11th back to something independent from their angle.

That’s why so many people couldn’t rule out that America (sort of) got what it deserved. The idea that the terrorist cause exists independently from any American policy or action, and would have attacked regardless of America’s troops being in Saudi Arabia, or America’s support for Israel, is non-existent in these types of people’s brains.

I try to look from all angles, I don’t think I look at any event from any particular angle accept as someone who wants to live. Some say everyone has an angle. I think that’s true. The test is whether you have more than one.

#197

"(and believe that American policy is run by Jews)"

First clue.

Rayra

Let me add my congrats to you for the photos!

Last night watching the local Fox News (channel 11) they showed where their local camera man got man-handled by the pro-terrorist marchers, a couple of cops telling the perps to move on, then a so-called "neutral observer" (some sort of Lawyers association) sniffing it wasn't the marchers' fault, but that of the counter-demonstrators "provoking" a reaction.

I want to throw up.

BTW... I was found this of Emily Richard, "actress", from website devoted to "cult" TV... it was a British series starting in 1979. Comparing the pictures, IMO, it is the same person. Ironic that ER participated in a series based on the Nazi occupation of the Channel Islands and now is pro-fascist.

#97 z:

What the funk are you talking about?

I'm not sure I understand you, but you seem to be making an excuse to sit on the fence. Is this so?

If it is, I implore you to make a decision -- you are either with us or with the terrorists.

There is no room or time for 'gray' areas; there are only absolutes left.

Did anyone note on LGF that cnn says Bush mocks John Flip-flop Kerry while foxnews calls it 'fires opening shots at' and 'taking on' John Flip-flop Kerry.

The f'ing media doesn't get it. The supporters of action against Iraq are not pro-war!!! No one is ever gonna be pro-war. They are anti-terrorism. This is the same shit nomenclature as pro-choice/anti-abortion.

I also wonder why every pro-terrorism rally is anti-Israel??? Uh...never mind.

#197

I try to look from all angles, I don’t think I look at any event from any particular angle accept as someone who wants to live. Some say everyone has an angle. I think that’s true. The test is whether you have more than one

I see. You mean to say you believe in anything which means you believe in NOTHING.

There are no right or wrong, good or bad, evil doesn't exist in that elitist ivory tower you sit in as you look down at the masses and ponder life's great problems while sipping your chablis.

How lame. Spare us your pathetic leftist sophistry.

Evil Flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing.

What a party. Eat, drink and be hysterical.

#196 Laxmi

IMHO, Pakistan should have gotten the Afghanistan treatment from the start. Unfortunately, we went with expediency.

Two Asia Times articles on the Indian quandary:

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

Of course, India is rattled. Pakistan, though always a major non-NATO ally of the US, has now formally become part of a privileged group of countries that includes Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Egypt and Argentina.

The timing of the move is very bad from the point of view of India's ruling party. One of the main planks in its re-election bid is the success it claims to have achieved in building close strategic ties with the United States. The special relationship with the sole superpower was an important part of Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's "feel good" electoral package. The opposition will inevitably use this slight by the US to highlight the hollowness of the Indian government's claims.

[Link: www.atimes.com...]

China is certainly scratching its head over the implications of Pakistan's newly elevated strategic status for its own ties with that country. In the short run, Sino-Pakistani ties are not likely to be affected. However, in the long run - especially if Islamabad were to get even more economic and military benefits from Washington - the traditional Sino-Indian strategic rivalry might be revisited by Beijing and Delhi. There is little doubt that if Pakistan were to accrue the kind of military and economic payoffs that it expects to get from Washington, the strategic balance in South Asia will undergo a noteworthy mutation. Such a transformation would not be welcomed by New Delhi or Beijing, for different reasons.

#203 Sherrif:

Apparently, #197 believes he/she is above the fray and that no side needs to be taken. The moral and intellectual superiority is evident by a disdain for recognizing a difference between good and evil, right and wrong, life and death, fighting and surrendering.
Yes, the elites are blessing us with their hard-earned sagacity culled from reading about the victimhood of others and listening to the rot spewing from academics and celebrities.

#197

Another effete putz.

Z: "Putz? What's a putz?"
Same as a schmuck, you dick!

#136 steve writes: ... it sure does help you make that non-existent link between Al Quaeda and Iraq.

American diplomat Laurence Foley was assassinated in Jordan in October 2002 by "Al Qaeda affiliates" operating out of Baghdad.

And what about Abdul Rahman Yasin? I guess you want to give him and Saddam a pass because Yasin only helped to bomb the World Trade Center the first time around.

Scrutineer,
those "let's pretend" geopolitical experts from the far Left just won't learn that their arguments need to be backed up with facts.
Unfortunately, nobody's ever explained to them that there's a difference between a fact & an assertion.

The journalist Yvonne Ridley, who was captured by the Taliban and recently converted to Islam, called for the US prison in Guantanamo Bay to be closed down: 'If I had been captured by the US I would have been shaved, shackled and flown halfway across the world,' she said.

Is this a prime example of Stockholm Syndrome or what?

No matter where she goes for the rest of her life she'll continue to be the Taliban's prisoner.

My mind-boggling photos of the SF rally have just been posted here. Tell your friends!

#213 zombie

I'm ready to get violent with these people. Anyone want to start a head-bashing squad?

/only half-kidding

Perhaps there's a Palestinian home in Rafah that needs some, er, protecting from a bulldozer or something.

Emily?

#185 ralph

It hurts my ears to hear the stupid statements about the “death of innocents” and the “tragedies” that are happening now because everybody knows that these are nothing comparable to the tragedies and losses we suffered in the past and those were for nothing.

The use of the term "innocents" has a propaganda meaning tied with the communist movement in the early part of the last century. I just read a book review of "DOUBLE LIVES: Spies and Writers in the Secret Soviet War of Ideas Against the West," and here's the relevant part:

[Link: members.iglou.com...]

"But the word 'innocence' also suggests a motive. I refer to the need for righteousness, righteousness in the Biblical sense. The thirst for moral justification for one's life in the world is one of the deepest needs, one of our most powerful and essentially human drives, ignored at our cost and peril. In his 'Innocents' Clubs', Münzenberg provided two generations of people on the left with what we might call the forum of righteousness. More perhaps than any other person of the era, he developed what may well be the leading moral illusion of the twentieth century: the notion that in the modern age the principal arena of the moral life, the true realm of good and evil, is politics. He was the unseen organizer of that variety of politics, indispensable to the adversary culture, which we might call Righteousness Politics. 'Innocents' Clubs': The very phrase suggests how the political issues Münzenberg manipulated came for many to serve as a substitute for religious belief. He offered everyone, anyone, a role in the search for justice on our century. By defining guilt, he offered his followers innocence, and they seized upon it by the millions."

Yes, the USSR and the Commitern are gone, but the propaganda techniques live on, and they are being used by the current anti-freedom movement.

#213 -

I noticed that the Ho Chi Minh t-shirt was only a few hours old. I can't believe they're selling crap like that.

#150 Glen Wishard

"I bet I could find some photos of a-holes on the fringe of the republican party that I could smear the rest of you with --guys like David Duke, etc...He was always big into the Torah, wasn't he?"

Sorry, Steve, but David Duke is on your side - as you would know if you would bother to educate yourself about this issue.

Maybe Duke could do it for you - check your local paper, he's probably coming to give an anti-war speech in your town.

Have the DD types really given up the ghost and are boosting Dems these day? What's the scoop?

Never heard of Emily Richards-who cares what she, or any other of those loonies think. I think their degree of mental illness is really a disease. Self-loathing of this degree, complete clouding over of the morality lobe of the brain indicates serious brain issues.

It's just as sinister as Bush Derrangement Syndrome.

Also, #209 Rayra...

Anyone who thinks of the Toronto Star as anything but a cesspool of leftist filth does not deserve any reasonable consideration or your attention.

I wouldn't let a rodent shit on the Star for fear that even a rat's ass could get contaminated by their repuslive anti-American and anti-Israel spew. That's about the nicest thing I can say about it!

Carrie? Is that you? So sorry about the way the prom turned out.

"You gotta shoot'em in the head!..."

What are you all talking about? I thought I agree with you guys!! I believe in striking back at islamic terrorism!! I believe in using force and war against facist freakazoids just like you all. Whats the matter with you? I was simply trying to say that some people look at all the facts. Some people block out the facts. You guys, and this blog, integrates and brings together the facts that expose these militant islamic terrorist thugs for what they are. There is a right and wrong. And absolutes exist in morality, DUH! September 11th was an unjust disgusting event perpetrated by evildoers. I support military action against dictatorships unequivocally. And you people are using the most nasty expressions to characterize my writing!? You silly pretentious bastards. I like this blog. It is one of my favorites. The author has a great wit and gathers useful information. I guess I will not be writing in anymore. Just reading, if you don't ban me for being a jewish jew hater. (Bar Mitzvahed and confirmed, mind you)

If any clarification is in order, i suppose its this: When I said from all angles, i meant using ALL facts available, and not evading the existence of a radical mosque here and a secret front organization there. Don't pretend CAIR is moderate Islam. Pursue all angles of looking at an issue really means not getting bogged down in a rationalistic conspiracy theory of the world (like Jews running the world). I'm sorry, that's just not a very clearly expressed idea. I'll try to articulate it better next time. If I can muster the courage to write about things that are important to me.

By the way, in reference to the comment about thinking Jews run America, I was referring to the punk idiot in the street who thinks that. That's his angle. Not that it matters, YOU dick.

#222, z,

It looks to me that your post #197 can be interpreted (incorrectly) as criticism of lgf-posters-in-general-as-people-who-don't-conside r-all-the-facts-whereas-the-deep-thinking-z-does.

Also, unfortunately, some people don't ask for clarification prior to assuming another person is a troll or the like. One person (#200) did, but you didn't reply, so others assumed you were being arrogantly critical.

That's the way it is on blogs, for those who aren't well known to others: well known posters are usually given more benefit of the doubt by others. New posters may be jumped on.

As an occasional poster, I've had various others jump on me at various times (not quite as angrily as some seem to have jumped on you, though.) Please try to thicken your skin a little and keep posting, if you have something that you feel is important to say. And keep in mind that without visual cues and tone of voice, it may be difficult for others to interpret your words in the way that you intend.

Rememeber, not everyone jumped on you. Also, I was irritated by your post when I first read it and thought you were being a little arrogant. But I just let it slide, since I don't read lgf just to look for arguments with strangers. Some people do like to joust with others, though...

#222

I was simply trying to say that some people look at all the facts. Some people block out the facts.

Well it took you long enough to rebut, 8:51AM to 5:25PM? Was it nap time?

#197

I believe that when people get September 11th right, it is to the degree that they connect ALL events to the context of the disaster.

ALL events? Get September 11th right? I don't need to read the qu'ran to figure out why the hell 911 happened. Nor do I wish to understand why the terrorists did what they did. Only that they did kill, and want to do it again.

The reason why the majority of people here responded in a negative way to your post is because were very good at smelling trolls, and your language had all the NUANCE of one.

I'm sorry, that's just not a very clearly expressed idea. I'll try to articulate it better next time. If I can muster the courage to write about things that are important to me.

But if your feelings are hurt, get over it. Talk straight next time.

You could always enlist and go to Iraq and do some of that killing for yourself.

But nah, you're just a fat little twerp sitting in your mommy's basement typing on your computer.

I have no tolerance for such cowardly chickenhawk, sniveling little scoundrels.

Enlist Fucker or shut your mouth.

Who is this dude? I was a bit tiffed at seeing the pictures of the hateful protests, but it seems like someone took my angry comments to heart. I'm actually in college, even though I might not act like it, but I've probably reached a higher level of education than Mr. Freeper has.

The army doesn't need hateful soldiers who just want to "blow stuff up." A real soldier knows that he is given a gun for the purpose of defending his country, its people, and their right to live there as free people, and that he must take painful strides to achieve that goal. (Anyone should feel free to correct me.) An army of pyromaniac sadists is a sad one indeed.

In the photo of this demonstration, called an "anti-war" demonstration by AP, the demonstrator actress Emily Richard holds an al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades poster. Nobody should think that she was unaware of what she was holding: on the poster in the upper right corner there is a drawing of al-Aqsa Mosque, with 2 crossed swords underneath it. It's a jihad theme, not an anti-war theme.

Here is an article explaining the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.
[Link: www.ict.org.il...]

The al-Aqsa Marthyrs' Brigades is the striking arm of Yassir Arafat's Fatah organization and one of the driving forces behind the current Palestinian violence. .. The Brigades' infrastructure, funds, leadership, and operatives derive from the Fatah Tanzim in the Judea and Samaria. Its main powerbases are located in Nablus and Ramallah.

To date, the Fatah Tanzim and the Martyrs of al-Aqsa have taken responsibility for hundreds of terror attacks in which Israeli civilians were killed. Israeli authorities say that since September 2000 the Fatah-linked groups have carried out more than 2,000 attacks and attempted attacks, including car bombings, shootings, kidnappings, and knife attakcs. The Martyrs of al-Aqsa Brigades were involved in the vast majority of these [Fatah-linked] attacks.

... According to the al-Aqsa Brigades, not one grain of Arab and Islamic soil should be conceded, all refugees must be allowed to return to former homes in what is now Israel, and any concession to Israel is tantamount to treason.

Unlike the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad -- the groups usually associated with mass-casualty attacks against Israel -- the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade was at first thought of as a secular, nationalist group, rather than an Islamic one. Thus it came as something of a surprise when the group gegan carrying out suicide bombings. On hindsight, however, this appers as a natural step. Islamic motifs had been part of the "al-Aqsa" conflict from the beginning -- the very name of the conflict was derived from the [EE note: ridiculously false] notion that Israel had plans to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque. Religious motifs have been used extensively by Arafat in his diatribes against "Israeli occupation of Muslim holy places." Thus, having made Islam-vs.-Judaism a central tenet of the war, it was natural for Fatah to alter its own character to suit the rhetoric that had launched the conflict and kept it going.

.. The popularity of the Islamic groups was given a boost when it appeared that only Hamas and PIJ were acting to implement Arafat's call for "rivers of blood in the streets of Tel-Aviv." However, this situation was reversed with the emergence of the al-Aqsa Brigades, which since its formation has almost completely eclipsed the Hams and the Islamic Jihad, both in the number and in the deadliness of its attacks...

.. Most of the Brigades' leaders are salaried members of thePA and its security forces...

... The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades are not a "rogue militia" as Arafat claimed in the past. Rather its members are on the Palestinian Authority's payroll, [its] activities are financed out of Palestinian Authority coffers, and its attacks are carried out with the knowledge and backing of Yassir Arafat's inner circle. In an interview with USA Today on March 14, 2002, Maslama Thabet, another leader of the Brigades, described the group as an integral part of Fatah. "The truth is, we are Fatah itself, but we don't operate under the name Fatah. We are the armed wing of the organization. We receive our instructions from Fatah. Our commander is Yassir Arafat himself."

The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades work i close cooperation with other terrorist organizations operating in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip, and many of its attacks have been [carried] out together with Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This cooperation includes sharing of information and technical know-how, as well as the formation of "cocktail" [mixed] cells.

While the group initially vowed to target only Israeli soldiers and settlers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, in early 2002 it began a spree of terrorist attacks against civilians in Israeli cities. To date, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades have carried out more attacks on Israelis than its Islamist counterparts, Hamas and Islamic Jihad. In March 2002, after a deadly al-Aqsa Brigades suicide bombing in Jerusalem, the U.S. State Department added the group to the U.Sl list of foreign terrorist organizations. The designation makes it illegal under U.S. law to provide material support to the organization and requires banks to freeze its assets. The move marked the first time the Bush administration has taken active steps against an organization directly linked to Palestinian Chairman Yassir Arafat.

223# del

Thanks, you're right. Hell, I guess I am a little arrogant. I like to be, in the face of what we marching in the streets, these days. Plus, weblogs seem to be more designed for shorter posts.

But this illustrates my point. LGF posters are obviously smart people who for the most part interperet events correctly. But perhaps some regulars get a little too used to fending off trolls that they do not focus on what they read. I'm not interested in going back and forth and proving myself. I don't have thin skin but wasn't prepared to be called names. I admit, i'm the one who must get with the program, I actually had a long drive so I couldn't post again.

I've been thinking about ideas as far as their method as opposed to their content. I'm saying that the content is created by the method. Its just a plug for good ole rational thinking, logic, and induction as the means to understanding the cause of September 11th. I've been watching the 911 documentary on DVD lately and am so upset by it. I've also been trying to figure out why the issues are not clear to some people, or why some actually take a position that the U.S is to blame.

Anyway, heres to LGF! A nice place to visit. Just have your anti-idiotarian ID available upon entrance.

#225, smoot,

that was a troll, not a soldier. If you reread the related comments and posts, you will notice that poster is a drive-by troll, looking to be antagonistic. More likely of DU origin than free republic. Sort of interesting how people interpret posts, eh?

EE #226,

Yup. Steve in #136 is a basic dolt.

#227 z
It would be good for the world to delegitimize terrorism, because it is a mode of warfare that puts the burden of war on the innocent. That includes civilians, and that includes children.

While there are some Euros that (before 3/11, anyway) argued that there is good terrorism and bad terrorism, depending on the cause of the terrorists, that is not a satisfactory argument if there is going to be a delegitimization of terrorism. Every terrorist is going to claim that his terrorism is of the good kind. There is no way to draw the line, except to delegitimize all terrorism.

You are right that there are two sides to every struggle, but that doesn't mean that they are equal arguments. You have to decide which argument is the stronger one, or you will forever sit on every fence. For myself, I choose the war against terrorism, including the effort to delegitimize terrorism, because of its burden on the innocent.

Another thing that you have to realize, in listening to the arguments that favor particular terrorists, is that those who spout those arguments have an agenda.

The agenda of the Arab-Islamic radicals is to establish a caliphate that would be like a Talibanized Afghanistan, over the world. If that seems like a worthy goal -- and it does seem like a worthy goal to the Arab-Islamic radicals -- then you will be swayed by their arguments. They make some assumptions, however: one of them is that the one and only God, Allah, wants that. With their love of death driven by religious fervor, their minds are made up and they espouse anything that brings them closer to their goal.

The agenda of the leftist radicals is to bring down America, so that the revolution that their idolized leaders predicted (Marx, Lenin, Stalin) could finally be realized in some way or other. Since their anti-American goals have some commonality with the anti-Great-Satan goals of the Arab-Islamic radicals, they are making common cause.

The agenda of many of the Euro governments involves buying off the terrorists and distancing themselves from America, as a means of trying to seek a separate peace for themselves, and not having to worry about the terrorists. Their method of thinking involves the idea of appeasement -- it's rooted deep in their thinking. In the appeasement mode, if they get attacked, they feel that they deserved it; if America gets attacked, they feel America deserved it; if Israel gets attacked, they feel Israel deserved it; and so on. The appeasement mode is a little like the Stockholm Syndrome, where you sympathize with the group that is threatening you. I hope that you don't fall into that trap.

230# EE

"The agenda of the Arab-Islamic radicals is to establish a caliphate that would be like a Talibanized Afghanistan, over the world. "

You're right, and if people look at all the facts, they would see this phenomenon. Most people fail to realize that there is an organized power waging war against us, because they don't look from other angles. They say "well, wasn't the war about oil?" And that's good enough for them. They have no concept that people have declared war on us whether or not we even acknowledge it.

A lot of times, I can't even shift the discussion to the idea that the terrorists want a caliphate, because their thinking doesn't even include knowledge of these facts, because "Bliar!" slogans are available to those who live without thought. But even with intelligent people, like my father, are so obtuse that they see everything through their pre-concieved way of thought, that new information is filtered by it. So allegations about A.Q. Khan are not startling revelations confirming how far the Arab-Islamic war has gone, just another example of a corrupt guy doing everything for money. All these events are seemingly disconnected in their minds. Observe the widespread view that terrorists are just criminals, not soldiers in a cultural-religious war in which the aggressors are hiding their war through the means of dispatching terrorists and covering their traces to the leaders.

Observe that we know leaders of some countries are directly supporting terrorists, and even this fact is ignored by some.

I can't figure out why it's not black and white to people.

#227, z,

Yeah to a bunch of things in your #227...

A guess from me as to why so many people don't "get" the reality of the islamist war on the rest of the planet:

Many people throughout the world reason by analogy far more than by logic (ever notice how often people say, "like" in converstions?). In fact, reasoning by analogy is itself a favored approach of the hanafi school of islam - the hanafi school which is itself the source of most of the "modernists" in islam. Even their "modernists" are trapped in illogic.

Of course, my previous paragraph oversimplifies ... logic isn't always what it is cracked up to be, particuarly when only incomplete or unreliable information is available about a situation, and different people will assign different value to the same information, based upon their own life experiences...

And as EE points out, many people have agendas. Their arguments are not meant in-good-faith, although they may attempt to appear to be.

#225, smoot,

that was a troll, not a soldier. If you reread the related comments and posts, you will notice that poster is a drive-by troll, looking to be antagonistic. More likely of DU origin than free republic. Sort of interesting how people interpret posts, eh?

Thanks dude, but I could tell he was a putz. I mean, it's expected that leftists from places such Democratic Underground would respond to my comments the way that Freepers did. Freeper, after all, was essentially labelling American soldiers as bloodthirsty murderers.

Smoot #233,

a-ok. Sorry if i belabored the obvious, but i've been noticing alternate interpretations of stuff people write alot today.

Yeah, mr. freepers the troll is a putz.

Speaking of one's contents of their thoughts vs. their method of thinking: I think a lot of these protestors have a method of evasion. Certainly they have access to the same facts as most of us - knowledge of embassy bombings, military attacks, hijackings, truckbombs, suicidal homicide - but refuse to look at them and make the proper identification of what they mean, where they came from, why they happened, what is the cause and what is therefore the solution?

I think many students today are presented with disciplines in concrete-bound manner, with no larger focus on the big picture and the relation of different "aspects" of an event, person, etc. Even in engineering courses, I have noticed, we will learn a discipline without being taught, nor responsible for showing we understand, where we started and how we got to where we ended up - that is, how we inducted our conclusions from the facts readily available to us. This is probably part of the fact that some look at the world without any integration of the facts in front of them, it's like they just learned engineering consists of memorizing different formulas, and so each situation in life has its own little formula, apart from what else exists in the world, without any relation - either contradiction or agreement - to anything else. The thoughts or opinions on certain events or phenomena are memorized associations more than exlanations connected to reality. Probably much worse so in the humanities.

I just know that some foreign (and not too friendly) media will print this picture without a caption or with a misleading caption, next to other pics of the cops arresting protestors - providing an impression that this airhead had been bloodied by the police as a part of a crackdown.

And the gullible foreigners will think - as they had done many times before - "These Amerikans have no freedom of speech themselves - and they have the nerve to tell us how to run our societies? At least our women don't run in the streets covered in blood and screaming - well, almost. But when they do it's not for the photo-op."