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Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 7:34:44 pm PST

A Sri Lankan rescue worker shows his sympathies. (Hat tip: Jen.)

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1 DocDublU  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:37:25pm

it took me about 3 seconds to see it. what the hell!

2 noshariaincanada  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:37:31pm

these are the people that turned away a planeful of aid from Israel, afterall

3 munchkin  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:37:46pm

Yea, but money for the victims and money for the palis is two different things.

4 Duke Newcombe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:37:52pm

404

5 SoCalJustice  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:38:38pm

Terrorist merchandising.

6 Anna  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:40:47pm

Usama bint Laden really helped them fight off that tsunami.

Stop worshipping idolic images you follower of the Prophet[pbHn] and of Allah.

7 levi from queens  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:41:20pm

Sri Lanka is reeling amidst the dying today. I would be astonished if there were any widespread sympathy for Osama there (judging by my two business partners who are Sri Lankan)

Perhaps, a cheap t-shirt is what you take in the midst of an acopalypse -- perhaps this guy is in fact a total asshat.

8 packsoldier  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:41:37pm

Save 'em all and let God sort 'em out.

9 DocDublU  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:42:03pm

Maybe that Tee shirt reads "WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" on the other side

// wishful thinking button, Off.

10 Skippy  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:42:20pm

Our people citizens, they dance in the streets. Their citizens die, we send massive aid.

Further proof of why American and the western world is superior - morally.

11 tigger2005  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:42:35pm

I wonder how much aid his hero is sending.

Hopefully, lots of THAT guy's buddies died.

12 Skippy  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:43:29pm

#10 Our people citizens die...

PIMF.

13 ferris  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:43:45pm

Oh, that’s just swell.

I am not always sure if our willingness to help those that hate us is our greatest strength or weakness. It certainly is what separates from the barbarians that kill innocents with glee. We may pay a cost for it in the short run and in specific cases but over time it’s what makes us better than them.

14 DocDublU  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:44:40pm

Perhaps Allah saw OBL sunning himself on a beautiful Sri Lankan beach and ...Presto!...devine intervention.

15 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:45:43pm

This isn't a photoshop job, is it?

Is that person in the center really wearing an Usama t-shirt?

Do my eyes deceive, WTF?

16 ferris  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:51:47pm

Don't forget this one from 2002

Sen. Patty Murray intended to be provocative when she told a group of high school students terrorist leader Osama bin Laden is popular in poor countries because he helped pay for schools, roads and even day care centers.
"We haven't done that," Murray said. "How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?"

So Senator, how much is OBL contributing to this effort? Once a moron, always a moron.

17 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:54:12pm

I used to have a shirt that had the Coor's emblem on it. In small text it said "I pissed upstream from the Coor's brewery".

I know a Marine Gunny who was going to rip a Marine a new one for wearing a shirt that said "I support PETA" until he read in little letters underneath that said "People Eating Tasty Animals".

Can anyone read this shirt?

Until someone can, I'll hold back.

18 j-damn  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:55:18pm

You know, I don't want to be an ass, but every time I see these hyperbolic headlines about this little event I have to almost laugh:

I mean, any newspaper who prints: "Death unimaginable!" over this has to be joking--or else they don't remember the Russo-German front of WW2. For a lot of these places, this isn't even a good day's worth of killing (India/East Pakistan, e.g.). Yes, it's sad--but it's not "the worstest tragedy ever, ever honest and for true!"

And this guy with the Osama shirt--hopefully he gets a pallet of tinned peaches dropped on his head by the USAF.

19 Nomorelies  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:56:00pm

The wrong person died.

20 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:56:55pm

17 reaganite

I'll second that, (though my blood is still boiling).

21 levi from queens  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:57:17pm
22 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:57:24pm

Every society has its vermin.

I would hold he would not be out of place on a Berkeley, Santa Cruz, or Cornell campus. Were he an enterprising chap, perhaps his future holds a tenured Communications, Journalism, or English professor position at one of our esteemed institutions of moral inversion.

We'll help in spite of people like him because it is the right thing to do.

23 ted  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:57:29pm

Disgusting

24 trendsurfer  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:57:32pm

#7 Levi,

Perhaps, a cheap t-shirt is what you take in the midst of an acopalypse


I think you may be correct...at least that's what I want to believe.

25 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:57:38pm

Does anyone think Osama bin Hiden' cares one whit for the suffering of Sri Lanka?

I think I'm safe in saying no, since they are all infidels.

I'm guessing the Osama paraphernalia must appeal to some anti-American sentiment, but what has the US ever done to Sri Lanka?

26 yochanan  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:58:45pm

bin laudin t-shirt says it all

27 levi from queens  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:58:51pm

Sorry-- that last link was not what I meant.---correct link

28 Elcid  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:59:13pm

15 Sojourner

Does the LTTE have ties to al-Qaeda or other terrorist groups?

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
car bombing, Colombo, Sri Lanka, 1996.

[Link: www.terrorismanswers.org...]

Does the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) have ties to al-Qaeda or other terrorist groups?

No. Experts say that the secular nationalist LTTE currently has no operational connection with al-Qaeda, its radical Islamist affiliates, or other terrorist groups. However, some of the Tigers’ innovations—such as the “jacket” apparatus worn by individual suicide bombers—have been copied by al-Qaeda, the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, and Palestinian groups such as Hamas and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.

In its early days, experts say, the LTTE trained with the Palestine Liberation Organization, and the group may still come into contact with other terrorist organizations through the illegal arms trade.

Tamil Tigers GRAPHIC

So a person wearing an usama shirt would be quite logical...to them, or I should say, to SOME of them.

29 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 5:59:18pm

#20 Sojourner

I'll second that, (though my blood is still boiling).

I doubt this asshole guy has a "special" meaning with his shirt. But I'd really like to know before I go off.

30 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:00:05pm

#18 j-damn

Yup. 100,000 deaths is nothing to get excited about compared to the Russian Front.

3,000 deaths in New York is just a piddling joke by comparison, right? People barely even noticed that "little event".

31 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:00:10pm

#7 levi from queens

Perhaps, a cheap t-shirt is what you take in the midst of an acopalypse

I hope you're right. It does look brand new, doesn't it?

But still, why would they sell that stuff there?

32 Andjam  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:03:27pm

Aussie ABC "Foreign Correspondent" once noted a Maoist rebel in Nepal wearing an Eminem t-shirt.

People sometimes wear the weirdest things.

33 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:03:48pm

And there I was thinkin' that someone from the Red Crescent gave him that t-shirt!


(reaganite - feeling better?)

34 levi from queens  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:05:03pm

Whyn would they sell that stuff there? We have all kinds of obnoxious t-shirts sold on the streets of NYC. Some of it is sickening; some of it is poignant; lots of it makes me laugh in spite of myself.

In a mortuary, clothing is probably the last thought.

35 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:05:11pm

Yeah, if you take the line of "readily available cheap t-shirt" then it begs some questions about what kind of area has Osama bin Laden shirts at hand.

36 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:05:50pm

How much help has Al Qaeda sent to these people?

Anyone know?

29 reaganite, agreed, that's why I'm trying to keep my cool.

It still pisses me off though.

37 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:06:32pm

#33 Irene NYC

(reaganite - feeling better?)

Other than a fever, the shakes and a nose that is dripping nodroG by the gallons, I feel great!

38 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:06:37pm

I betcha' you can buy one of them bitchin' Bin Ladin T-shirts at the UN giftshop or from Amnesty International. 25% of the money goes to the families of homocide bombers.///

39 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:07:02pm

(in all my glorious ignorance)

sorry, I'm a little emotional lately.

40 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:07:57pm

37 reaganite

Some of the agave tequila might help...

41 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:08:27pm

I almost missed it! All I can say is...

Aaarrrggg!

42 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:02pm

#36 Sojourner

It still pisses me off though.

Me too.

While I was in NYC for the UNGA, the store next to my hotel was selling a shirt that said "F*ck you, you F*cking F*ck".

I never got around to buying it, but I did want it.

43 PDM  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:07pm

#29 reaganite,

But I'd really like to know before I go off.

You're certainly more willing to offer the benefit of the doubt than I am in this case.

44 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:22pm

31 Spiny Norman,

(Happy New Year Buddy)

I'm guessing it's the fashionable hatred of America is why such stuff might be sold.

Of course as others have said, we haven't seen any caption...

45 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:30pm

#37 reaganite,

...nose that is dripping nodroG by the gallons...


Funny.

Oh, took the ASVAB thing last week. Might enlist.

46 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:35pm

reaganite,

sounds like you need some good ol' chicken soup fortified with dark sesame oil, lots of fresh ginger and garlic and some lemon

feel better and try not to pass it on to the younger generation

47 Athos  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:37pm

#29 reaganite

I understand where you are coming from - but it's one guy. Even if it's dozens, hundreds, thousands there - remember that there are just as many assholes here who wear T-Shirts like that and or defend / support UBL. They are the ones who believe that the US government staged 9/11. They are the ones who believe that all of the world's evil is because of the US - and are too stupid to realize it's the wealth and power of the US that provide them whatever little hope they might have.

Let's just accept the guy is just a clueless putz. UBL isn't sending any of his money (or his family's) to help him out. Perhaps some bottled water and food from the US may change his mind...(well not if it's certain MRE's...)

48 j-damn  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:09:47pm
3,000 deaths in New York is just a piddling joke by comparison, right? People barely even noticed that "little event".

Did I say no one noticed it? I said let's stop exaggerating every event to the limits of the atmosphere. Our media is great for that and it doesn't just stop at "tragic" events. Each new movie/sitcom/album is the "greatest ever" with no regards to anything comparable that happened before in human history. I'd bet that at least 100,000 people starve to death annually in the tsunami-affected countries and no one gives a damn.

Further, 9/11's casualties were all massed in a tiny chunk of Manhattan. This "little event" is spread out along HOW MANY square miles of densely populated 3rd world?

49 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:10:29pm

42 reaganite

LOL!

50 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:10:52pm

#40 michaelg

Some of the agave tequila might help...

You're more right than you know. The drunker I get, the better I sleep.

51 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:12:03pm
#18 j-damn 12/29/2004 07:55PM PST
And this guy with the Osama shirt--hopefully he gets a pallet of tinned peaches dropped on his head by the USAF.


Unless this is photoshopped, I hope so too j-damn!

52 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:12:12pm

#43 PDM

You're certainly more willing to offer the benefit of the doubt than I am in this case.

I don't doubt the intent of the shirt, I'd just like to know...

53 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:13:00pm

50 reaganite

[hunkering down to avoid attacks...]


Did you try it with diet coke? Or regular coke for that matter...

54 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:14:09pm

#45 addison

Oh, took the ASVAB thing last week. Might enlist.

That's awesome! I know you'll make the decision that is best for yourself.

55 Mcgyver  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:15:06pm

Has anyone else read Simon Winchester's book KRAKATOA ?

There is an interesting section on Muslim "Jihadi's" , etc. and lot's of interesting parallels ref the death rate and destruction and even a "warship" washed ashore. BTW, raised levels were recorded in the Thames (I think. At least in the Channel)

Bogs down a bit for the casual reader. Ed (I was drunk in... )Moran - you should really enjoy it, 'specially about the climate stuff

Mcgyver, out

56 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:15:43pm

Well, you notice the people around him aren't beating him. Would they be just ignoring him if that was a picture of DubYa?

57 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:15:54pm

#46 Irene NYC

feel better and try not to pass it on to the younger generation

Thanks, but I fear my boy is in for the "fun". :-(

58 levi from queens  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:15:55pm

Sri Lanka has troubles -- an indigenous rebellion as evil as the PLO -- 1/300 of their peoples killed by a monstrous wave. Today is not the day to point out that they have numerous assholes amongst them nor the general fallen nature of their souls.

59 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:16:40pm

43 PDM

Me too. It must be that I'm too sick to even have any patience with this, in fact it makes me more ill.

It does look new, it sickens me more

60 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:17:35pm

#47 Athos
I don't really doubt the asshole's guy's shirt is exactly what it appears. I just want to know for sure.

61 AtlasShrugged  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:17:46pm

#47 Athos

Oh please! Who the f*ck wears an Usama shirt? no matter what! Killing innocent civilians for sport.
You cannot make nice on this one bud...this is just perverse

62 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:19:01pm
#14 DocDublU 12/29/2004 07:44PM PST
...Presto!...devine intervention.


LOL! Andy Devine intervention!

/conjuring up Blazing Saddles

63 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:19:10pm

#42 reaganite,

While I was in NYC for the UNGA, the store next to my hotel was selling a shirt that said "F*ck you, you F*cking F*ck".

I never got around to buying it, but I did want it.


I. have. that. shirt.

Would never, ever, ever, ever wear it, though. 'Twas a present from someone's trip to N'awlins.

[Oh, ASVAB thing, made a 98 out of 99. They said if I try out, I could basically request what I wanted as a job speciality.]

64 mseltzer  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:19:27pm

Forget the shirt, I thought the guy on the left was wearing a mask from The Planet Of The Apes.

65 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:19:51pm

#53 michaelg

Did you try it with diet coke? Or regular coke for that matter...

The bottles are for the New Year!

66 bbev  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:21:27pm

Hey I have a George Bush T shit, I’m sure the libs feel the same about me as I do about that T shirt : )

67 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:22:15pm

Irene NYC

sounds like you need some good ol' chicken soup fortified with dark sesame oil, lots of fresh ginger and garlic and some lemon

Wow, that sounds good, even to a weak tummied person!

Mcgyver,

Heard him today on Dennis Prager, facinating..

Mcgyver out

Oops. Sojourner out... :)

God bless all. And Happy New Year.

Wow, I feel bad on so many levels. Still mean my sentiments.

68 mr_crash_davis  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:22:22pm

It's not Osama, it's Jerry Garcia. If you look closely, it actually says "Grateful Dead World Tour 1997".

69 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:22:33pm

I'm getting really sick of people taking our money, aid, expertize, and then spitting in our faces.

70 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:24:28pm

#63 addison

[Oh, ASVAB thing, made a 98 out of 99. They said if I try out, I could basically request what I wanted as a job speciality.]

When I took it, I had hair half way down my back. The recruiters (all 4) basically offered me nothing. I took the battery, you and I tied scores. I got my first choice, EOD.

71 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:24:40pm

#65 reaganite

"bottles" as in plural. Admire your resolve Reaganite. Not safe to face the new year with only one bottle...

72 J.D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:25:13pm

#69 zulubaby
That's the *new normal*.
Well, not really all that *new*, come to think of it.

73 bbev  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:25:18pm

zulubaby


I'm getting really sick of people taking our money, aid, expertize, and then spitting in our faces.


They think we owe it them.

74 trendsurfer  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:25:29pm

From what I heard on an ABC News break on a local radio station, if Bush had only commented on the devastation before today the United States could have sown some goodwill within the Moslem world. But that insensitive clod Bush couldn't break away from his vacation--opportunity lost. Gotta love our unbiased press.

75 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:26:03pm

66 Bbev

You have a George Bush what?

76 garnier  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:26:31pm

#25 "Does anyone think Osama bin Hiden' cares one whit for the suffering of Sri Lanka? I think I'm safe in saying no, since they are all infidels."

No, a lot of Sri Lankans are 'Moors' (Muslims who, although mostly Tamil-speakers, originated from various parts of India).

My bet is this guy is a Moor.

BTW I once met a young Tamil Tiger in Norway who showed me his Tiger magazines and was very proud of his affiliation.

77 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:26:47pm

#56 theparson

Good point.

78 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:26:55pm

#67 Sojourner - It is good, especially when it's cold out or when the husband is sick and cranky (he just loves the stuff and starts to purr).

79 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:26:57pm

#70 reaganite,

The battery?

80 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:27:04pm

74 trendsurfer

Fuck the fucking fuckers! Whatever Bush did would have been wrong in their eyes...

81 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:27:09pm

69 zulubaby

I'm getting really sick of people taking our money, aid, expertize, and then spitting in our faces.

exactly. it's making me more ill.

and PISSED OFF! :(

82 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:28:48pm

#71 michaelg

Not safe to face the new year with only one bottle...

Te-kill-ya is a social drink! You absolutely must have others involved in the stupidity!

83 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:29:13pm

#63 Addison
I would like to steer you clear of the 12E M.O.S.
I thought it would be a blast!( pun intended)
It was...but not of use in the civilian world.

84 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:29:55pm

78 Irene NYC,

Your description is in my dreams. I'll be coming back to look it up again!

I can't hold anything down now, but I'm not stupid, that sounds like just the ticket.

85 PDM  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:30:24pm

#52 reaganite, #59 Sojourner,

Where is the emergency assistance from Al-Qaeda? It must be so great in Sri Lanka that Israel's offer is not necessary.

/ bitter sarcasm

86 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:30:46pm

82 reaganite

I've reconciled to drink it alone and listen to the voices in my head...

Small concession for me, big win for the voices...

87 foreign devil  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:31:02pm

What is Osama Bin Laden doing for the victims of the tsunamis? How much has Bin Laden given to aid the victims and orphans of the killer wave?

88 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:31:23pm

theparson (#56)

Well, you notice the people around him aren't beating him. Would they be just ignoring him if that was a picture of DubYa?

I think they're probably a little preoccupied to be worrying about some guy's t-shirt. Carrying a dead body can't be all that pleasant.

89 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:31:32pm

#79 addison

The battery?

Battery of tests! ASVAB is mutliple tests!

90 TaggartTranscontinental  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:31:37pm

Osama bin Laden shirts? Come on, Sri Lankans, get with Middle Eastern Chic; that is so 2002. Can I interest you in an al Zarqawi t-shirt? A must have for this spring's latest mass-killer fashions.

I don't get it, though. UBL sends radio addresses about not voting and to kill infidels, and everyone idolizes him. Israel sends a planeload of supplies, rescue workers, and medical experts and those countries still hate them!

91 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:32:20pm

Happy New Year {{{Sojourner}}}

92 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:32:20pm

Sojourner,

Are you sick too?

I'd send all you sick LGF-ers my special chicken soup if I could...

So sorry,
Irene

93 J.D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:32:24pm

OBL prides himself in making orphans.

94 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:33:30pm

#83 RebTex,

Is a 12E a nuclear demolitions expert?

95 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:33:58pm

#85 PDM

/ bitter sarcasm

No, bitter fact.

96 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:34:18pm

foreign devil (#87)

What is Osama Bin Laden doing for the victims of the tsunamis? How much has Bin Laden given to aid the victims and orphans of the killer wave?

Charles linked to a list of organizations involved in helping the victims. Not one Islamic charity on the list.

97 addison  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:34:31pm

#89 reaganite,

Ah. It was fun (all computerized now).

98 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:34:48pm

BTW - for those lizards with broadband, there is a group of live tsunami videos available via Cheese and Crackers (I believe Charles linked to this blog earlier.

BitTorrent is running great tonight if anyone is interested. The entire group is 156 Mb.

99 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:36:29pm

ZB

Good point.

100 Sojourner  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:37:51pm
. Can I interest you in an al Zarqawi t-shirt?

whoa, whoa,that's a face that, I can't tell you, when I see his picture, I'm filled with disgust and hatred, I don't know why as opposed to others.

I mean, there's a lot of people I hate, and Arafat's death was a pleasure to me, but when I see Zarqawi's face, I want to do, very horrible, horrible things...

For real now,good night all.

101 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:38:12pm

#66 bbev
Hey, where can I get a George Bush T-shit? ;-)

102 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:39:28pm

#97 addison

Ah. It was fun (all computerized now).

Oh sure, rub it in! I have Airmen who are the same age as my son.

103 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:40:00pm

#943 Addison
You are correct!
It was my primary M.O.S.

104 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:40:40pm

102 reaganite

And your son is how old?

105 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:41:24pm

#104 michaelg

And your son is how old?

18.

106 elevenbravo1969  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:41:35pm

#55 McGyver

"Krakatoa" was a great read, especially for all the little geological and natural history details. Tsunamis generated by that event in 1883 (I think) did indeed travel all around the globe several times. They were barely measurable in the Thames estuary though.

107 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:42:09pm

Well, reaganite, don't be too hard on yourself. My son turned 21 today (in Navy Boot Camp).

108 Aisha  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:42:31pm

xulubaby writes:

Not one Islamic charity on the list.

That's because the Tsunami was the will of Allah Ta'ala, as I explained yesterday. It's all our fault (particularly the kaffir and especially the Bhuddists and Hindus).

Allah Ta'ala says in the noble Qur'aan, 'Destruction appears in the land and sea by the actions of men that they may suffer the consequences for some of their misdeeds in order that they may return (to Allah in obedience).' (Rum 41)

In these times of depravity and moral decadence, the punishment of Allah Ta' ala descending on the disobedient is not a matter to be taken lightly. Rather, this is an eye-opener and a reminder to all of us to repent to Allah Ta'ala, to return to the Divine injunctions and act upon them as shown to us
by the Messenger (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) before we too are seized for our misdeeds. May Allah Ta'ala save us all from His displeasure and grant us the wisdom and ability to obey him.

All natural occurances and happenings, including, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, etc. are in the control of Allah Ta'ala. In numerous Aayats of the Qur'aan, Allah calls our attention to this fact that upon witnessing these signs, we may come to recognize the greatness and might of Allah Ta'ala.

Allah talks about the nation of Thamood, 'As to Thamood, We showed to them the way, but they preferred the blind path to the road of guidance. Thus, were they seized by the Thundercap of a humiliating punishment, in lieu of their deeds.'

Therefore, these natural conditions have been controlled by Allah Ta'ala to punish those who transgress against His law. 'Say (O Muhammad) He is easily able to loose upon you from above a scourge, or to bring it from beneath your feet.' (A'araaf)

There can be no doubt that we are suffering these disasters by our own misdeeds. 'Whatever disaster afflicteth you, it be by the earning of your own hands, And Allah forgiveth much.' (Shuraa)

The Ahaadith have shown us that close to the advent of Qiyaamat, when whole societies will be steeped in sin and evil, the punishment of Allah Ta'ala will become a common occurrence. It is stated in one Hadith, 'When public property is treated as personal wealth and trust as booty (to be looted) and Zakaat (obligatory charity) is taken as a fine, when knowledge is acquired for motives other than Deen (religious) and a person obeys his wife (in disobedience of Divine command) and disobey his mother (in things lawful), and has a close relationship with his friend yet distancing his own father, when voices are raised in the Musaajid and the leader of a nation is an open sinner, the head of a family is the most mean among them, and a person is honoured out of fear for his mischief, when dancing girls and music is become rife, wine is consumed greedily by all, and the latter part of this Ummah curses the former, then wait for red winds, the quakes, the swallowing up in the earth, the disfiguring of faces, the pelting of stones from the skies and the signs which will follow one after the other, as do the beads of a necklace whose thread is broken.' (Mishkaat).

When each and every one of these vices is prevalent in our society, it is indeed only the Mercy of Allah that the punishment has not seized us as yet. How long can we remain fearless of this? 'What the are the people of the villages fearless that our punishment will not descend upon them at night whilst they slumber.' (A'raaf)

These frightening occurrences are indeed an eye opener to us all. How long are we going to remain in Allah's disobedience? 'Has not 'Has not the time come for the believers that their hearts submit to the mention of Allah and the revealed truth?' (Hadeed). Now is the time to repent and avail ourselves of Allah's Mercy, before we too suffer the consequences of our deeds.

109 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:42:32pm

#76 garnier

I always thought the Tamils were Hindus from India (and Sri Lankans being Bhuddist -- the source of the conflict). That's what I get for believing what I read in the papers...

110 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:44:25pm

#90 TaggartTranscontinental
Not only still hate them but also refuse much of their offered assistance!

111 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:44:29pm

#101 floranista

If you come down to the East Village sometime you can pick up a "Lick Bush" t-shirt whenever your little heart desires. It's very popular with the lesbian crowd down here.

/sarcasm off

112 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:44:45pm

#107 theparson

My son turned 21 today (in Navy Boot Camp).

Wish him a happy birthday for me!

113 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:45:27pm

105 reaganite

That puts you at something like 38, just guessing.

I'll bet you're proud of your son. It's amazing we can raise them and get them to the age of 18. The world now is fucked up, I think it's harder for our kids than it was for us..

My kids are 4 and 10, and I worry about them every day.

114 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:45:45pm

#108 Aisha
Dave, not now okay?

115 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:45:48pm

reaganite

I wish I could.

116 Brenda  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:46:39pm

#55 McGyver

I heard a briefo interview w Simon Winchester on the radio yesterday. I believe I heard him say that warship was washed 2 and a half miles inland. Mind boggling.

Along those lines, here is a decent what-about-here article for us west coasters...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/ 12/29/MNG7VAIDVC1.DTL

"If you are on the beach and feel an earthquake that lasts more than 15 to 20 seconds, and you have difficulty standing, you should immediately evacuate to high ground. Don't wait for notification (of a tsunami) because you might have only 10 to 15 minutes (before the tsunami strikes)."

How high should you run? "I don't want to be a smart-ass," Eisner replied, "but you go as high as you can and as far as you can. We don't know how high these waves can be." Research suggests they might exceed 40 feet, he added, but "we won't know" until then.

Mentally noted and filed, right.

117 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:47:35pm
xulubaby writes

David, is that you? Aisha doesn't make typos.

118 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:47:43pm
119 Pamela  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:49:07pm

#107 theparson


Happy Birthday to the son of theparson!


Hello reaganite!

120 glass darkly  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:50:03pm

There was news footage of a Sri Lankan rescuer wearing a "Merry Christmas" tee shirt. Pitiful.

In Florida, hurricane damage was unpleasant, but luckily noone we know was hurt. Some property destroyed.

This death and destruction in Asia is barely conceivable. Sumatra was my first home and the tragedy there is terrible to see. The U.S.A. is doing the right thing by helping, as it usually does.

121 Eric Anondson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:50:05pm

Maybe a LGF charity drive to deliver George W. Bush shirts to Sri Lanka would be called for? Something to counter the Wahabi cultural imperialism? ;)

122 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:50:08pm

Thanks, Pamela

You can call him Seaman Recruit for now.

123 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:51:26pm

#113 michaelg

That puts you at something like 38, just guessing.

Only my commander is older than I am, you're off by a "few" years.

I'll bet you're proud of your son.

You have no idea. Of everything I ever did in my life, having him as my son is the best.

The world now is fucked up, I think it's harder for our kids than it was for us..

I don't agree, since 1939 we've never had such a well defined enemy. The moonbats won't win, we will. I have nothing but optimism for my son's future.

124 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:51:59pm

#111 Irene NYC

You need to look a little more closely at the spelling ;-)

As for your kind offer, I can probably get a "Lick Bush" T-shirt right here in good ole liberal Seattle! Thanks tho...

125 BingoBunny  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:52:09pm

Its a tragety for the whole world. But the Islamists will start kidnapping and murdering aid workers in a few weeks as they find their legs again. OBL plays on fear .. from those he wants to rule and those he wants to fight.

126 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:52:47pm

#115 theparson

I wish I could.

?

127 patrickafir  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:53:54pm

I think that shirt is from when Al Qaeda was opening for the Muslim Brotherhood on the Monsters of Jihad tour. You know, back before they got big and sold out. Posers.

Now it's all about Ansar al-Sunnah. They still rock for the ummah, man.

128 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:53:58pm

#115 The Parson
Congrats to you & him!
Is he still in the "total control" phase?

129 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:54:29pm

reaganite

He's in boot camp. I won't get to see him until he graduates Jan 21.

130 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:55:16pm

#119 Pamela
Hiya back!

131 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:55:17pm

#123 reaganite

don't agree, since 1939 we've never had such a well defined enemy. The moonbats won't win, we will. I have nothing but optimism for my son's future.

I agree, but there's so much more media that they have to deal with than we did...

132 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:56:06pm

RebTex

He left for basic Dec 29 so it's been 4 weeks. He's the medical yeoman so he's happy 'cause he doesn't have to stand watch.

133 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:56:30pm

#123 reaganite

"Only my commander is older than I am, you're off by a "few" years."

Nice dodge! Bet the don't get anything out of you in interrogation exercises!

Bamboo under the finger nails... nada
Finger nails on a blackboard... nada
Tie you to a chair and pelt you with sticky jellybeans... nada

Try to trick on on an LGF post... zippo

You could give lessons ;-)

134 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:57:05pm

#129 theparson

I won't get to see him until he graduates Jan 21.

Day after my birthday!

135 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:58:54pm

#127 patrickafir

ROFLMAO!

136 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:06pm

reaganite

Really? How old will you be?

137 seadog  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:10pm

#89 reaganite

#79 addison The battery?


Battery of tests! ASVAB is mutliple tests!

So... how can you have a single score? Did they get rid of categories?

138 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:27pm

#131 michaelg

I agree, but there's so much more media that they have to deal with than we did...

I'm drunk, sick and tired, but a year or so ago someone posted a link to a NYT article slamming the President. They weren't talking about W, the were talking about Abe Lincoln!

139 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:46pm

#134 reaganite

I won't get to see him until he graduates Jan 21.

Day after my birthday!

Note to self, send dancing girls on January 20th.

140 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:51pm

#132 The Parson
Smart kid you've got there!
Inside work & no watch!

141 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 6:59:54pm

#124 floranista

I'm getting old {sob, sob} and my eyesight isn't what it used to be {sob some more}...my apologies if I made a mistake. ;)

(Seattle, huh? Worked in Medina for 3 years...pretty liberal there too despite the billions!)

142 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:02:17pm

#133 SkippyMoment

Bet the don't get anything out of you in interrogation exercises!

Damn, you broke me! I'll be 43 on January 20! What a b-day present, nodroG you listening? W, four more years!

143 glass darkly  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:02:46pm

#109 Spiny Norman

Quite a number of Tamils are Christian (R.C.), dating back to Portuguese explorers and St. Francis Xavier. Many Indians Christians have Portuguese surnames, e.g., de Souza. I don't know about Tamils of Sri Lanka.

144 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:03:24pm

138 reaganite

I must be drunk too, but damned if I let my kids watch Dan Rather or his ilk, or MTV for that matter. Christ, we had 3 TV channels when we were kids, and now they got a million, and some of them porn... Okay, soft porn, but still enough to distract them...

145 J.D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:03:27pm

Bloggers offer witness accounts, ways to help quake and tsunami victims


But of course it includes the customary warning:
...Blogs however should not replace professional journalists, said Robert Thompson, who heads the Center for the Study of Popular Television at Syracuse University in New York state. ...
146 lazytart  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:04:44pm

Greetings, minions, from my new computer.

:) :) :) :) :)

147 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:05:22pm
148 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:06:24pm

#137 seadog

So... how can you have a single score? Did they get rid of categories?

You have an aggregate score and a breakdown for each category.

149 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:06:34pm

#143 glass darkly

FWIW my experience is that Tamils from Indian are Hindus and Malayalams (from the west coast of India where the Portuguese landed and converted them) are the Christians. And the Tamils don't exactly like the Malayalams.

150 Egfrow  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:06:39pm

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ACCURATELY SYMBOLIC IF THE DEAD MAN SEEN HERE WAS WEARING THE BIN LADEN TEE SHIRT INSTEAD.

151 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:07:13pm

#141 Irene NYC
Aw, that's OK Irene! I'm looking through double bifocs right now!
Luckily, we're on the *outskirts* of Seattle.

152 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:07:17pm

#147 Rayra

I was hoping you'd slam that asshole on the other thread...

153 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:07:41pm

#139 SkippyMoment

Note to self, send dancing girls on January 20th.

Nah, just an honest single woman!

154 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:07:48pm

#142 reaganite
"Damn, you broke me! I'll be 43 on January 20! What a b-day present, nodroG you listening? W, four more years! "

Damn I'm good! [licks finger, places it on right buttoock, which begins to sizzle - cause I'm HOT]

And I didn't even have to break out the peanut butter and honey!

155 Anti-Monitor[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:08:28pm
156 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:09:10pm

#138 reaganite

I'm drunk, sick and tired...

Sounds like my last date.

Back On Topic - BitTorrent came through again. The BBC (yes, I know..) has an excellent piece with some great footage. Those of you with cable might have caught it already.

Any lizards want to download the piece, I'll crank up the Torrent on my side again.

157 J.D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:09:40pm

#155 A-M
That's cold.

158 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:09:44pm

154 SkippyMoment

Skippy, stop! You're making me want to hit the fridge before I go to bed. Peanut butter and honey for Christ's sakes.

159 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:09:51pm

reaganite

Maybe you should look up SkippyMoment.

160 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:10:23pm

#153

I'm already screening applicants! I got your back buddy.

161 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:10:34pm

#149 Irene NYC
The worst part is the Tamil's are the one's who brought homicide bombers into the global scene.

162 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:10:41pm

#155 Anti-Monitor

As far as i'm concerned, this flood is just G-d washing away the islamic filth and vermin. Too bad this subhuman got spared.

TROLL ALERT! BATTLE STATIONS!

This is a first reply from this person, folks.

163 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:11:35pm

#155

That's way cold.

164 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:11:43pm

#155 Anti-Monitor
STFU and FOAD

165 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:13:09pm

#154 SkippyMoment

Damn I'm good! [licks finger, places it on right buttoock, which begins to sizzle - cause I'm HOT]

Just don't make me tell the secrets of the lagers...

166 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:13:23pm

162 rightasrain


Skippy, B/G, can you gals give me a hand with the armour. Seems like we've another asshole to battle..

167 eXcel  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:13:33pm

The only people I'm shedding any tears over are the Western tourists and the people in India.

168 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:13:48pm

#152 michaelg
"I was hoping you'd slam that asshole on the other thread... "

Which a$$hole, and which thread?

I had one attack me... Iron Fist, Christheprofessor, theparson and a few others came to my aid (my heros).

#159 theparson

reaganite

Maybe you should look up SkippyMoment. [blush]

169 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:13:59pm

glass darkly, garnier

Actually, I was right, the Tamil Tigers are indeed Hindu militants:

Tamils comprise about 18 percent of the island’s population, and most live in northern and eastern areas. Their religion (most are Hindu) and Tamil language set them apart from the three-quarters of Sri Lankans who are Sinhalese—members of a largely Buddhist, Sinhala-speaking ethnic group. When Sri Lanka was ruled by the British, the Tamil minority was seen to have received preferential treatment. Since Sri Lanka became independent in 1948, the Sinhalese majority has dominated the country. The remainder of Sri Lanka’s population includes ethnic Muslims as well as Tamil and Sinhalese Christians.

From #27 Elcid's link: Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

170 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:14:08pm

#156 Sarah D.

Sounds like my last date.

It wasn't me!

171 J.D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:14:23pm

Oh, hell. Another one.

172 glass darkly  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:14:35pm

#149 Irene NYC

Thanks. Tamil schoolmates were both R.C. and non. Noone discussed religion except in religion class or in connection with holidays.

173 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:14:37pm

patrickafir (#127)

LOL! Beautiful. Reminds me of one of my all-time favourite LGF comments:

Alive or not, I agree with GKarp (#18)---Binnie's latest release is convenient. It's got a good beat and we can invade to it.
174 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:15:00pm

#146 lazytart
congrats on the new computer - and happy belated birthday wishes too!

175 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:03pm

#161 reaganite -

The worst part is the Tamil's are the one's who brought homicide bombers into the global scene.

Thank you for reminding us of that - and DON'T get me started about how the Hindus with their ROP can possibly justify this (I mean, wouldn't you have really, really bad karma for about one thousand lives after that?)

176 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:14pm

#170 reaganite

Don't I know it. Can't even get you to show up to help move sandbags!

:-)

177 lazytart  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:25pm

Floranista,

Thank you!

178 1ConservativeLawyer  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:26pm

#153, #160 My application's on its way!

179 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:35pm

#168 SkippyMoment

My apologies milady if I've failed you. Death to trolls, and love to skippy...

Henceforth, I shall be forever vigilant...

180 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:37pm

#159 theparson
#160 SkippyMoment

LOL, you two are on the same track!

181 Killer Tomato  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:55pm

Oh sure - just as the fun starts, I have to go to bed. I've wasted hours trying to get back into the Cindy McK thread, which I appear to be locked out of...

Oh well. Night all.

By the way, michaelg, I am NOT a lad - not that there's anything wrong with that...
;-)

182 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:16:57pm

#158 michaelg

Skippy, stop! You're making me want to hit the fridge before I go to bed. Peanut butter and honey for Christ's sakes.

#166 michaelg

Skippy, B/G, can you gals give me a hand with the armour. Seems like we've another asshole to battle..

Sir michael, I'll just put down this jar of honey and get right on that armor. I'm sure you can handle your lance by yourself, right?

183 David  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:17:27pm

There are idiots like this in every country.

I was in a bar about a year ago and this guy started mouthing off about how the Muslims are now being persecuted "like the Jews were" and how there was a "new holocaust" against Muslims. He looked like a private-school educated LLL type who lives with mummy and daddy.

Anyway, before I could call him on his BS, the bar manager chucked him out for "disorderly conduct" (ie, pissing people off).

I guess that in most countries, a good 10-20% of the population is freakin' nuts. Except in the Moslem Middle East, where it is probably 85-90%.

184 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:17:33pm

How long before #155's comment turns up at Atrios, DailyKos, TalkingPointsMemo, and DemocraticUnderground?

185 garnier  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:18:07pm

#76 garnier

Spiny Norman "I always thought the Tamils were Hindus from India (and Sri Lankans being Bhuddist -- the source of the conflict). That's what I get for believing what I read in the papers... "

You're mostly right. The Tamils are Hindu, and although some had ancestors who came from India in the 19th c. many have roots on the island going back 1000 years.

Attempts in the 1950s by the Sinhalese speaking Bhuddist majority to impose the Sinhala language on the Tamil minority started the conflict.

Some Tamil speakers are Muslims.

186 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:19:18pm

182 SkippyMoment

Don't put down the jar of honey just yet...

187 Photios  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:20:22pm

OT
Breaking News

Suicide Bomber Attacks Saudi Arabia's Interior Ministry

or, since registration is required...

Car Bombs Detonated Near Saudi Security Buildings

Horrific

+Photi

188 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:20:24pm

#184 Spiny Norman

How long before #155's comment turns up at Atrios, DailyKos, TalkingPointsMemo, and DemocraticUnderground?

Yup, this was the whole point of the post.

This troll adds something dispicable to LGF and then the entire moonbat world posts it as something WE wrote here.

Sucks, doesn't it? :(

189 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:20:28pm

One of the unreported stories of the tsunami disaster is the effect on Myanmar (Burma). I found a couple of second hand reports indicating 90 deaths. I have to guess that the actual numbers are in the thousands if the press would care to investigate. Myanmar is a closed country and the government is not a source of great comfort to the people. Surely Mr Egeland of the UN gives a care for the people or myanmar even if the media does not?

190 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:20:49pm

#183 David

I guess that in most countries, a good 10-20% of the population is freakin' nuts. Except in the Moslem Middle East, where it is probably 85-90%.

Hell, even 10-20% equals millions of potential terrorists.

191 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:20:55pm

#180 reaganite

#159 theparson
#160 SkippyMoment

LOL, you two are on the same track!

Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute... I haven't be down to the track in years! Just a tip, never bet on a horse name Hokey Pokey... he put his left hoof out, he put his left hoof in... and you know the rest.

192 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:21:13pm

#175 Irene NYC

Thank you for reminding us of that

I'd rather you not thank me. For the last 2+decades it's been my job to keep up on these assholes.

The best perk of my job, beating those fucks at their game.

193 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:21:29pm

P.S. The troll in #155 also used the Jewish way of spelling "G-d" so that it would be attributed to a Jewish member of LGF.

194 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:21:39pm

#155 anti-monitor
Perhaps your god would do such a thing.
My God is a caring & loving God!

195 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:21:48pm

181 Killer Tomato

If you confuse virginians with virgins, it would be natural to call you "lad". If I've offended, I apologize, but it is an important distinction..

Nice work with the aligators!

196 ttonn  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:21:54pm

Am I the only one who looked at the picture and wondered if Osama is getting royalties?

197 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:22:38pm

#176 Sarah D.

Don't I know it. Can't even get you to show up to help move sandbags!

Shit, busted... :-(

198 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:22:54pm

Jumpin' Jupiter. Did every Lizardoid on the planet just post at once?!?

199 David  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:22:54pm

#155:

STFU.

Most of the countries affected had majority Hindu or Bhuddist populations, you ignorant twat.

200 Trippin  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:24:04pm

GOD : Shit, I missed one!

201 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:24:14pm

That is the only post that #155 has made on LGF so he won't be missed if banned.

202 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:24:24pm

#179 michaelg

My good Lord, thou has not failed me, for sooth you fought and slayed the dragon on the other thread... I swoon in at your presence. [begin swoon]

#286 michaelg

But if I don't put down the honey, I'll get your armor all sticky!

203 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:24:47pm

#194 RebTex

Perhaps your god would do such a thing.

I doubt that Anti-Monitor in #155 has a god, except himself or herself.

It's a troll here to bait us by using a Jewish spelling for G-d and creating a blood libel against us here.

204 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:26:13pm

#191 SkippyMoment

he put his left hoof out, he put his left hoof in... and you know the rest.

Umm?...

205 floranista  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:26:59pm

Ewww, I just stepped in something slimy on aisle 155...

206 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:27:28pm

#204

you must not be drunk enough yet... may I serve you another?

207 Killer Tomato  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:28:04pm

#195

{looks down shirt} Nope. Definitely not a lad!

Off to get the gators their midnight snack.

Have fun, y'all.

208 Stop Hillary  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:28:21pm

Well just ask Patty Murray, the treasonous Senator from the State of Washington, she'll tell you how Osama builds roads, schools and hospitals for his people. Why Osama is probably sending some of his millions now to help out.

209 Confederate Yankee  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:28:38pm

As I said on my blog (after giving Charles the hat tip he was due), "Let them eat pork."

My money goes to the first aid organization that seasons all food shipments with ham hocks.

210 theparson  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:28:58pm

It is truly hard to leave good company and you folks are the best but, I must go to bed. God bless, all.

211 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:29:18pm

Anyone hear what's happened in the black hole of Myanmar? the UN dude carefully avoided mentioning that country at all in the press conference today. Seems they're claiming only 40 dead, and not letting anyone in, from anywhere...

212 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:30:31pm

#205 floristana

Ewww, I just stepped in something slimy on aisle 155...

Troll spoor. Ick.

213 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:30:44pm

#206 SkippyMoment

you must not be drunk enough yet... may I serve you another?

I'm ready for a nap. An 8 hour or so one. In the words of one of Airmen, "I feel like a bag of smashed assholes:.

214 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:30:56pm

#192 reaganite

I thought you were a bomb doctor protecting POTUS. NOW you say you also specialize in fighting international terrorists. Reaganite, you are one well-rounded guy!

Gotta introduce you to my mom. International anti-terrorist training - among other specialties - was what she did until the age of 74. You're 43 did you say? I think you've got a few years yet. ;)

215 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:32:37pm

'Nite, theparson. Happy Birthday to theparsonson!

216 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:32:58pm

Photi (#187)

Over here.

217 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:33:30pm

#207 Killer Tomato

No offense intended. Just working in my, what is that word, ...idiom.

Have a great night, and better than that a happy new year!

218 glass darkly  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:33:57pm

#185 garnier, #169 Spiny Norman

Thanks, Spiny. Always interested in facts. My schoolmates learned Tamil alphabet; it looked hard.

Garnier, never heard of a Muslim Tamil, but take your word for it. Maybe the tee shirt came from a Muslim sweat shop -- Sri Lanka exports a lot of garments (cheap labour).

219 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:34:04pm

#211, Lady of Shalott. Exactly the point of my #189. Virtually nothing on the web. I have a feeling, based on the geography of the place, that they have been hard hit.

220 DANEgerus  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:34:39pm

Hey! The one time in my life I scoop LGF!

In the background you can see the Osama Bin Laden built roads, Osama Bin Laden constructed schools, Osama Bin Laden financed infrastructure, Osama Bin Laden supported day care facility and the Osama Bin Laden Hospital.

I know this because Senator Patty 'Osama-Mama' Murray(D) told me so...

221 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:35:17pm

Good night parson, may angels greet you in your dreams!

{{{theparson}}}

#213 reaganite

okay, since you are not feeling well you can go nap now. Rest well my friend, and may angels greet you in your dreams too.

{{{reaganite}}}

222 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:35:54pm

#214 Irene NYC
My primary job is EOD, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, AKA, the military bomb squad. I (like all of my career field) get loaned to the USSS very often.

223 hornet  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:37:06pm

No Islamic charity has contributed? How about the United Nations?

224 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:37:52pm

gymnast, why are they being so weird? I just Googled Burma and apparently 90 are dead but Burma junta still refuses to acknowledge quake in Burma.

225 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:39:00pm

The Force of Nature.

A bit small and grainy, but gives you a good idea of the destructive force that was involved.

226 Irene NYC  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:39:11pm

#222 reaganite

So you're the person to call when I have a bomb staring at me!

Goodnight all - and all you sick lizards, get some sleep!

227 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:39:28pm

#221 SkippyMoment

Rest well my friend, and may angels greet you in your dreams too.

Thanks my friend, I'll be here for about 30 more minutes. My son is still up!

228 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:40:41pm

#226 Irene NYC
Sleep well!

229 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:40:46pm

#223, hornet. The United Nations is a taker, not a giver. They will, on occaision give for a cut of the take, if you can make it worthwhile for them.

230 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:41:05pm

Govt refuses foreign aid to fight disaster

NEW DELHI: India has declined offers of foreign aid, because the government feels it can manage the relief and rescue operations on its own. From Russia to Israel as well as international organisations, offers for help to battle the tsunami disaster have been pouring in.
But according to government sources, India has declined all offers, albeit with the provision that should the need arise later, the decision would be reconsidered.

India has an unwritten but holy policy of not asking for aid during emergencies even though established international aid agencies like ICRC and Red Crescent have operations here. In fact, during his recent visit to the UAE, external affairs minister Natwar Singh thanked the leadership for their help through the Red Crescent.

231 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:41:51pm

#227 reaganite

Guess you can't tell an 18 year old when to go to bed hunh?

LOL!

One more:

Holy Crap (their words, not mine).

232 garnier  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:42:34pm

#155

You do not belong here.

233 applesweet  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:43:00pm

I looked at that t-shirt and wondered just what kind of charitable efforts bin draggin' would engage in if he wasn't on the run. The guy wearing it might want to turn it inside out.

234 michaelg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:43:04pm

got to go all.

Reaganite, keep up the fight.

Skippy and Bubbgirl, I look forward to seeing you at the turret. Aint't no mountain high enough...

235 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:44:10pm

#231 Sarah D.

Guess you can't tell an 18 year old when to go to bed hunh?

I get to see him twice a year. I'm not going to make him go to bed!

236 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:44:59pm

#234 michaelg
Sleep well.

237 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:45:17pm

#224, Zulubaby. That place is about as closed up as Cambodia was when Pol Pot was running it. Maybe Osama is hiding out there? If so, I hope he went surfin' for Christmas Holiday.

238 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:45:25pm

#227 Oh, in that case, I'll tease you some more! Mayhaps we can enlist you in the Knighthood. You'd be a welcome edition to the brotherhood with Sir michaelg, Sir theparson, Sir Petards-a-Lot, and Sir Christheprofessor. And of course our true knight Sir Iron Fist.

As a part of your benefits package you have exclusive rights to the damsels Lady Bubble Girl, Lady SkippyMoment, Lady Carolina Girl, Lady Killer Tomato, and Lady Sarah D.

Sir michaelg can fill you in on the moat full of virgins (or was that virginians), the sequestored alligators, and all the other nuances of the being in the knighthood.

239 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:47:34pm

Good night brave Sir michael, and you can skip the waxing tonight! ;-)

240 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:48:29pm
241 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:48:48pm

#238 SkippyMoment
Can I be the minister of the silly walk?

242 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:50:46pm

#240 zulubaby
When I lived in the UK OXFAM was pretty legit, granted, that was in the '80s. Has it changed that much?

243 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:50:59pm

#241 Minister of the Silly Walk

You'll have to audition, but if you execute it well, I think you'll be a shoe-in for the position.

244 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:53:25pm

The Knighthood? Hey! How'd I miss out on that?

Or am I "Sir Not Appearing in the Film"?

:^)

245 Catttt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:54:11pm

OT

Happy because a Sean Connery James Bond movie is on Spike Channel. Only Sean Connery can get away with threatening a spy by ripping off her bikini top and strangling her with it, IMHO.

246 Darleen  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:54:29pm

I think you'll be a shoe-in for the position.

:::groan:::

;-D

247 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:54:44pm

reaganite, I don't know really, it was the "strong UN leadership" bit that I was sneering at.

248 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:55:52pm

#244 Spiney Norman

Good Sir Surely you jest? The only qualification to join the knighthood is bravery in the face of troll, and the ability to weild your lance and mace to slay the dragon when it snorts and breathes fire. Oh, and you have to look good in tights! ;-)

249 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:56:15pm

Cattt,

Only Sean Connery could get away with any of the silliness in a James Bond movie, IMHO.

250 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:57:44pm

#246 Darleen

Sorry, it's late, and I'm in a silly mood (just incase you couldn't tell). Being attached by a troll just brings out the 'skippy' in me. ;-)

251 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 7:58:26pm

#247 zulubaby

I don't know really, it was the "strong UN leadership" bit that I was sneering at.

That is something I'll sneer with you. I wasn't as well up on things when I lived in the UK but OXFAM seemed pretty damn good to me.

Any UK liazards awake yet?

252 Catttt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:00:14pm

Skippy, you're attached to a troll? Ewww. Get unattached!

253 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:01:52pm

crap... PIMF... attacked by a troll... eeewww, the thought of being attached to a troll is about as appealing as being attached to my last boyfriend... yuk!

where's the lysol?!

254 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:02:15pm

What about Myanmar/Burma?

"After the terrible havoc that has been wreaked on Indonesia, Sir Lanka, and India, the question must now be asked: If Thailand has suffered so much with its 400 km of coast exposed to the killer waves, then what's happening in Myanmar?

The country has an exposed coast that is twice as long -- 800 kilometers in all, stretching upwards along the elephant's neck of a peninsular known as the Isthmus of Kra.

Aid agency officials may have already asked the question, but no answer appears to be forthcoming from the reclusive military government.

Seismologists have said that extra distance could give the energy of Sunday's earthquake extra power.

If this is so, and Thailand has suffered so much, how have the fishing villages and stilt huts along Myanmar's coast fared?

It may be that another soaring increase in the devastation wreaked by the killer waves is yet to be revealed.

Judging by the damage already done, Myanmar's tragedy could even be far greater. It is difficult to contemplate, but who knows what secrets Myanmar holds.

Perhaps a bigger tragedy still lies ahead. ..."

255 Spiny Norman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:02:26pm

Leech trolls? Yikes!

256 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:02:33pm
257 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:03:33pm
258 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:03:38pm

Zulubaby, Oxfam is for the "decommidification" of food. They apparently favor the current model being practiced in Zimbabwe. Food cannot be "Decommodified" without world government and loss of private land. Oxfam is a group of extreme moonbats.

259 Catttt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:06:23pm

I think I've narrowed it down to the Salvation Army. Gosh, these charitable orgs are a minefield!

260 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:08:24pm

#256 Rayra

It sthe game where the prairie dogs keep popping up in the holes, you have to keep bonking them on the head...Or out here in the West, blowing their holes up with TNT...

261 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:09:16pm

gymnast, figures. I remember not liking Oxfam in the UK but I can't remember why. I don't trust very many of these NGO's.

Lady of Shalott (ylreveb), I found this:

"It was really kind of the organizers to think about all the victims," he said. "All that my friends and I know is from the radio. We heard a big wave hit our country, but there isn't any more information. So we are all very anxious and sad."

That's from Myanmar -- not even they know what's going on in their own country. It's so bizarre.

262 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:12:01pm

#258 gymnast

Oxfam is for the "decommidification" of food.

Well, I'm sick and drunk, what exactly does that mean?

263 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:12:02pm

You have to be brave, loyal, and true to be a Knight of the Round LGF Blog. To respect and protect the fair Maidens, to slay trolls and above all else, take an oath to protect Truth...

264 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:13:13pm

#253 Skippy Moment
But...there was a time when being attached to your Ex was a good thing.
In the words of Micky Gilley " Another place, Another time" !

265 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:13:30pm

#263 Bubble Girl

Well met, Lady Bubble Girl! Well met!

(but don't forget about the tights ;-> )

266 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:16:18pm

#264 RebTex

I'm not so sure about that. Oh he was very charming in the beginning, but it didn't take long for it to go horribly and painfully wrong.

Tis better to be alone, than in a really, Really, REALLY bad relationship.

267 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:16:36pm

I get the feeling that the government of Myanmar feels vulnerable, doesn't know what to do, and could be tipped over by the people if they were to feel that they didn't have much to lose. Perhaps the rank and file of the military would be affected if they lost family along the coast.

268 Catttt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:16:40pm

I saw a story about two couples who spent four hours clinging together to the top of a truck after the tsunami hit. One couple lost everything; the other couple gave them money, etc., to help them recover and get home. They exchanged phone numbers for when they get back home, where they intend to keep in touch.

The interesting part? One couple was Israeli (Jewish) and one couple was Palestinian (Muslim). Oh, and the Muslim couple helped the Israeli couple.

It was a nice little story.

269 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:18:40pm

And bring us Fair Maidens pretty baubles, fine wine, and delicacies from the across the flat Earth. Maiden Skippy weaves golden threads through her tresses, Maiden Carolina Girl has pearls from the Orient woven through her bodice, and I, Bubble Girl, have sworn a vow of chastity until I meet the Knight of thine dreams...

270 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:20:27pm

Cattt, great story. I wish we could all be friends :-( I know that sounds very Rodney King-ish but I'm so tired of it all, I long for there to be peace.

271 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:21:43pm

#262, Reaganite. Near as I can figure is that food would no longer be bought and sold. You would no longer have commodities markets, they would be replaced by central planning. Oxfam is hung up on the politics of hunger and wants to get into the world planning business.

272 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:22:12pm
273 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:22:58pm

#268 Cattt

What a wonderful story, I sure hope it is true. It give you hope that people can get passed their differences and accept each other on a human and common level.

#269 Bubble Girl

Yeah verily, I too await a Lord Knight of valor, honor, truth, and great kindness. Where is Lancelot when you need him? I fear only the Black Knight knocks upon the door of the Castle Anthrax. Zoot will have to see to him.

274 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:24:59pm

#271 gymnast

Oxfam is hung up on the politics of hunger and wants to get into the world planning business.

I didn't dig too deep into the links but that's not the OXFAM I remembered when I lived in Bicester, Oxon. Where did that come from?

275 Catttt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:25:36pm

#270 zulubaby

Yep.

I know Rodney King is just a guy, and he keeps getting in trouble, but he had a moment of brilliance when he said "Why can't we all just get along?" I often think of him because of that.

276 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:28:13pm

Geez, can I just have one of the lesser knights for an evening of debauchery? I'm not gettin' any younger ya' know...while Skippy is weaving those useless golden threads I could be downing useful bottles of beer?

277 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:28:26pm

Maiden Skippy,

Aye, beware, all your Maidens, the Black Knight will break yon heart unto tiny pieces, his handsome countenance swayed thine logical brain, yea, beware the Black Knight...

278 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:29:19pm

#276 Sarah D.

Bad Zoot, Bad, Bad Zoot! ;-)

279 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:29:22pm

India has issued a tsunami alert for the Andhra Pradesh area

280 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:30:13pm

RebTex, now?

281 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:30:44pm

Maiden Sarah,

They are yours for the choosing, they would fight one another for the touch of your lips and a pint of brew...

282 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:30:57pm

#274, Reaganite. I googled "Oxfam politics", started looking at materials from Oxfam Canada related to their "World Hunger Day" program.

283 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:31:20pm

#279 RebTex

Aftershocks?

284 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:31:22pm

This is heartbreaking. The worst natural disaster in my entire lifetime, I think.

These nations need tsunami warning systems or something.

It's just getting too sad to read about all this. :(

285 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:32:31pm

#277 Bubble Girl

The Black Knight shattered my heart, and left me weak and easy pray for my ex... I'll have no more of him [sigh] thou when the nights are long, my thought often turn to him... nay, no more I say, be gone from me spector of my dreams, haunt me no more!

Then again... (are my horns showing again?)

286 point man  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:33:16pm

Osama bin Laden and other fanatics like him would of course support any fight that the Muslim minority community in Sri Lanka wanted to have with the majority Sinhalese Buddhist community. Such an attitude would bring only further communal violence to Sri Lanka. But there are such things as ignorant peasants, perhaps the man in the photo just feels like a rebel and doesn't know much else -- a shame however that such propaganda is present in Sri Lanka.

287 restitutor orbis  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:34:24pm

I really want to donate to an organization, but I also want to be discriminating in who I should give to. I have come to the conclusion that any UN org. can go fuck themselves, along with the red cross. What are some good ones? How is Americares? Any suggestions?

288 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:35:19pm

SkippyMoment, you're driving me up the wall. Please, it's enough already.

289 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:35:51pm

#269 Bubble Girl
Hear Ye Hear Ye
Crack pot mathematician claims earth not to be flat!
Pathagarus the Greek establishes the earth is either dome shaped or round!

290 SkippyMoment  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:36:17pm

Good night Bubble Girl, Sarah D.

291 reaganite  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:36:39pm

#282 gymnast
I'm going to bed real soon, so I'm probably not going to respond until the morning. The Oxfam I knew when I lived in the UK, Oxon chapter, was run by a Royal Army Ordnance Corps (RAOC) Sergeant Major. He was hardly a moonbat.

292 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:36:41pm

#287 restitutor orbis

Americares gets my vote.

293 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:37:26pm

restitutor orbis, check out the link in #257. There are a few on there that I would trust.

294 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:38:22pm

'Night Skippy!

295 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:39:16pm
296 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:40:16pm
297 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:40:28pm

#280 #283
Yes
Aftershocks thought to produce new tsunami's

298 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:44:45pm

RebTex, got it, thanks. I just saw the link Sarah D. posted. It's a nightmare that won't end.

299 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:45:24pm
300 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:45:30pm

Good, they've given the warning in Sri Lanka. Wonder why they couldn't do it the first time? Has there been another earthquake reported to match this tsunami warning?

301 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:45:35pm

#291, reaganite. Take a look at Oxfam International.org while you are at it. They have more than a few interesting programs. All seem well meaning, if soverignty means nothing. They are well hooked up with Amnesty International on some programs. My impression is that the term NGO just doesn't do them justice when you examine their programs.

302 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:46:25pm
303 Scotch  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:47:43pm

OT
I really enjoy poppin' in here for a beer or two. I really enjoyed the troll jousting in the Demon blog but...the sob came back! Knew he would. It's been having a jizya all over itself for the last hour.

304 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:47:57pm

Rayra -

WhackATroll, excellent...

305 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:48:55pm

#296 zulubaby

The whole thing is unbelieveably horrific. When I look at those pictures of parents mourning over lost children it makes me ill. I hugged the kiddo double-time today.

Interestingly enough, there was an American couple who survived and had the same thing to say about he American support in Thailand. No presence.

I guess it took some time for them to get it together...who knows.

I pray for all who are affected by this.

306 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:49:35pm
307 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:51:34pm

#302, Rayra. That is the alpha and omega of it. I do not know of any farmers who are flush enough to go along with the program however.

308 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:51:42pm

108 Aisha

My first exposure to Muslims was talking to the old man running a corner store in Oakland right after an earthquake that made part of a freeway collapse (killing a few people), started a large fire and even made part of the Bay bridge fall out...

The crazy old man told me that the earthquake was God's punishment for the evil that Jews have done. He went on and on about the Koran and how Jews are enemies of God... It was clear that he was saying that the earthquake was punishment on the people for not do our duty to kill the Jews.

You know, I don't know if the old man thought I looked Jewish or if he just wanted to spread the good news. What exactly would be the point of telling Jewish kid that God is punishing the world for not slaughtering him? He really took the tone of a preacher which is strange... Strange to hear this monsterous ideas preached!

I walked out of that store thinking, if this trash is really in the Koran we're in big trouble.

309 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:53:07pm

Bubble Girl, I don't think they had a warning system in place. Did you guys listen to Bush this morning? It's a bit worrying that he doesn't know how efficient our warning system is. Is that because it really is inefficient or does he just not have the information?

310 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:55:20pm
311 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:56:15pm

ZB -

Get this story, unbelievable, and they are so very lucky:

They were in their beach bungalow north of Phuket when sea rushed in and blew it apart. “The water rushed under the bungalow, brought our floor up and raised us to the ceiling,” he said. “The water blew out our doors, our windows and the back concrete wall. My wife was swept away with the wall, and I had to bust my way through the roof.” Krueger was sucked nearly 10 feet underwater, and Canton was dragged out to sea where she struggled to live for more than an hour before the sea tossed her back ashore with a broken nose, fractured foot and scrapes over most of her body. “It was like white water rafting. ... She was naked on the beach (when he found her) because she had just gotten out of the shower. It was like being in a washing machine,” Krueger said.
312 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:58:47pm
313 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:59:08pm

#310 Rayra
I got it as a NOTAM

314 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 8:59:15pm

Sarah D., every story I read gives me the shivers. I keep wondering if the water was cold. I hate the cold. I know that's a weird thing to think about but the whole thing has weirded me out.

315 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:01:09pm

Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar, well that's just lovely. Now imagine that Muslims hear that kind of thing, and far worse, every week from the time they're very young. Is it any wonder ... ?

316 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:01:45pm

I wouldn't think that the water was cold. The water isn't even really cold here on the Gulf yet. On your side of the US it probably is...not sure tho.

All the Tsunami Warning System info you could want

317 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:03:56pm

Zulubaby -

We do have a very good warning system here on the West Coast but it has to do with the quake itself. If the quake were close to the CA shoreline and it were a significant quake it could be minutes for it to reach the shore, but CA is mostly hilly, sits fairly high above the beaches. There are signs in Oregon along the beach which warn of Tsunami's.

I checked an Earthquake monitoring site and it has five quakes listed today in the Indonesia and India area, all were 5.5 and over, two were over 6. The site has a thirty minute downtime, don't know if a new quake has caused the new tsunami warning in Sri Lanka. All the quakes were offshore...

318 David  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:04:53pm

#308,

Sometimes, after writing a particularly over-the-top "Aisha" post, I feel quite uncomfortable, and say to myself, "these people cannot seriously think like this". A quick survey of some Islamic sites on the web proves that, yes, there are people spouting Aisha-isms all over the world.

It's all very well to question why an omnipotent deity allows terrible things to happen to innocent people, but to blame the whole thing on Muslims sinning by not killing enough Jews is quite frankly frightening. Not much different, I suppose, from medieval Christians blaming the Jews for the bubonic plague (they poison the wells, you know). The difference is, I suppose, that there's nothing in the Bible about Jews being the enemies of God, and it being the good Christian's duty to kill them.

319 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:08:03pm

Sarah D., brilliant, I'm saving that link. Thanks.

Bubble Girl, I'm trying to remember but I think I read that they did know that there was going to be a quake or a tsunami, but didn't know where. I'm getting exhausted but I'll try to find it.

320 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:08:17pm

I had two friends who were in Phuket, they got out okay even though the first wave knocked down the wall to their bungalo, they grabbed their stuff and ran to the upper floor of a hotel. They were very lucky, and still stuck in Bangkok. They teach in Kuwait, they said many of their friends went on holiday to Sri Lanka. I think I will read up on what happened when Krakatoa, the volcano exploded. It changed the weather around the world, I believe the Northeast US didn't have a summer that year...Sorry, I am one of those weird weather freaks, runs in the family...

321 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:10:00pm

Hi Dave,

Did you have any friends in the tsunami areas, and did any of AU feel the effects of the earthquake? BTW, you are awesome with your Aisha, you really have it down pat.

322 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:11:54pm

Here it is.

The Tsuanmi - "They didn't know whom to tell"

Minutes after a massive earthquake rocked the Indian Ocean on Sunday, international ocean monitors knew that a tsunami would likely follow. But they didn't know whom to tell.
"We put out a bulletin within 20 minutes, technically as fast as we could do it," says Jeff LaDouce of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. LaDouce says e-mails were dispatched to Indonesian officials, but he doesn't know what happened to the information.

The problem is that Sunday's earthquake struck the unmonitored Indian Ocean. An international system of buoys and monitoring stations - the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center based in Hawaii - spans the Pacific, alerting nations there to any oncoming disasters. But no such system guards the Indian Ocean.

323 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:12:32pm

Joshua -

I had sort of the same feeling when one of my Liberal buddies said it was our fault, (9/11), that we deserved, and had it coming... I was too shocked to respond...

324 gymnast  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:13:45pm

#314, Zulubaby. The water at Patong Bay is warm. My wife and I would go to Thailand or Sri Lanka every Spring when we were working in the Magic Kingdom. One of the great memories of Phuket is putting a Hobie Cat up on one hull and the spray would be warm as it came back over us. Not at all like the cold water of California beaches. Patong Bay was one of the most beautiful spots on Earth in the early 80s and still very good the last time I was there in the 90s. Lots of new high rise hotels have been built in the last few years back a bit from the beach. We liked the places on the beach between the road and the water.

325 VerticalSwordsman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:14:05pm

#287 As far as I'm aware, the American Red Cross is completely separate from the ICRC. It's the ICRC which is the agency that routinely stabs us in the back (Guantanamo, etc). Since I've already sent my donation to the American Red Cross, I hope I'm correct in assuming none of the money winds up going to the ICRC.

326 fiery celt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:14:14pm

zulubaby

Bubble Girl, I don't think they had a warning system in place. Did you guys listen to Bush this morning? It's a bit worrying that he doesn't know how efficient our warning system is. Is that because it really is inefficient or does he just not have the information?

We have a fairly intact Pacific Tsunami Warning System, although a 9.0+ seaquake will cause horrendous tsunami devastation, where ever it hits.

Our Atlantic and Caribbean tsunami Warning systems are practically non-existent.

An eruption of the Cumbre Vieja volcano off the Canary Islands could potentially precipitate a tsunami that would devastate the coasts of western Africa, Southern Europe and the East Coast of the United States---

There are no tsunami warning systems or evacuation plans to East coast cities.

327 David  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:14:55pm

Bubble Girl, a friend's father is in Thailand, but I haven't been able to speak to her to check if he's alright. I think he stays away from Phuket and the coastal tourist spots, so I suspect (and hope) he's OK.

There were some effects felt on the North-West coast of Western Australia, but it wasn't severe (and the whole area is so sparsely populated that it wouldn't matter anyway).

328 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:15:09pm

Thanks ZuluBaby,

They are going to put the monitors in place in that area, but they are right, you can send the message, whether or not they'll pay attention is another thing all together... Up until now tsunami's haven't been as vicious, it's been decades since anything near like this has happened.

329 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:15:33pm
330 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:18:09pm

An Islamic relief group.

Asking for money.

Okay, ignore the relief for the Palistinians...at least I've found one Islamic group that's doing something!

331 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:18:10pm

gymnast, my best friend went to Phuket on honeymoon and it looks absolutely heavenly.

One of the great memories of Phuket is putting a Hobie Cat up on one hull and the spray would be warm as it came back over us.

Sounds divine.

332 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:18:16pm
333 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:18:16pm

Dave -

maybe your friend's father is on the other side of Thailand. I know why those beaches are isolated over on the Western side, don't they have excessive winds?

Zulubaby,

The water down there is warm, and very beautiful, but at times, deadly... as any large body of water can be...

334 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:20:12pm

The last time I was down there was when the terrorists bombed Bali, haven't been back since, and sadly, after the tsunami's I may never go back...but it is beautiful.

335 Albertadude  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:20:58pm

A couple of things about Sri Lanka...first there is roughly about 10 percent Muslims and they certainly produce some really morons to be sure...this young man would be Muslim for sure...

Secondly , even the Buddhists on Sri Lanka who are the Tamils can be quite brutal...indeed they have suicide bombing for years...indeed they murdered Rajiv Gandhi back in 91...can be quite a nasty little island...

The two main ethnic groups the Tamils and the predominant Sinahlese have been going at a brutal civil war for years...

336 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:21:08pm

Foxnews has the Indian warning now. Sheesh, I wonder which of them is reading LGF?

337 lazytart  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:21:36pm

Zulubaby,

Regarding the cold, I don't think it's weird in the least.

When our dog died before Christmas last year, I kept waking up in the middle of the night horrified that it was so COLD, and my dog was in the ground in our backyard.

You're just being human.

338 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:23:38pm

Oh fiery celt, that's what I wanted to say too. Feh, I'm so tired I'm missing information. Anyway, about the evacuation plan, I don't think we have one. It's freaking me out thinking about this! A 9.0 on the Richter scale is going to cause havoc anywhere, even in LA with the rubber buildings.

Bubble Girl, it was the worst quake in 40 years. Unbelievable. Can you imagine that one minute you're relaxing on the warm sand and the next minute you're drowning. Apparently there was an eerie noise. The sea drew back and people followed it, curious to see what was happening ...

339 lazytart  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:24:36pm

Night, all.

340 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:24:47pm

!

Breaking News on Fox: Tsunami in One Hour; India

341 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:25:09pm

lazytart,

When our dog died before Christmas last year, I kept waking up in the middle of the night horrified that it was so COLD, and my dog was in the ground in our backyard.

I understand :-(

342 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:27:03pm

#338 zulubaby

And for people like me, who looove to sleep in...I would have never known what hit me. One minute sleeping, the next fighting for my life.

Horrifying.

Like that story I posted, the woman was in the shower! Enjoying your bath one minute...slammed through walls and out to sea the next.

Would a warning system help that much?

343 RebTex  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:27:29pm

#329 Rayra
It's really kinda odd, but there's all sorts of natural dramatic events covered by NOTAMS.
& yes it's a Notice to Airmen

344 David  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:28:23pm

Bubble Girl, I think he's actually further north, near the Laotian border, and inland.

345 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:31:50pm

Night lazytart, sweet dreams.

346 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:32:12pm

Speaking of horrific things, the situation in Darfur has gotten worse.

As an American taxpayer, I would be willing to pony up some of that money to destroy whoever needs it in that area. (I'm not sure at this point who that is).

UN suspends food aid for Darfur

The UN is a brave bunch aren't they?

347 rightasrain  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:32:24pm

#338 zulubaby

Apparently there was an eerie noise. The sea drew back and people followed it, curious to see what was happening ...

Several decades ago, the Big Island of Hawaii had a tsunami that came with no warning.

The sea drew back and the children could see all the shells on the bare ocean floor - so the children ran out to collect them. They were killed out there:

Hawaii's worst experience in modern times came in 1946 when the April Fool's Day tsunami generated by an earthquake in the Aleutian Islands sent a 25-foot-high wall of water ashore, killing 159 people, mostly in Hilo.
348 Grogh2001  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:32:56pm

OT but I figured people would be interested:

Number of Muslim and Christian Arab volunteers in IDF Is Growing:

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

349 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:35:58pm

Sarah D., it would help if there was time to evacuate. Lady of Shalott (ylreveb) link says they have one hour to get out. What do you take with you when you know that your home is about to be destroyed? :-(

350 Albertadude  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:39:59pm

Yeah Oxfam sucks badly...here in Canada they are moonbats for the worse variety...I remember in the 80's that they supported the Sandistas and other radical left wing causes...pure vile...indeed many of the so called aid groups are brutal...Doctors without Frontiers, Any UN agency and even Red Cross whom I will not support because of there anti Israel policies...even Amnesty international that in the past has done some okay things is too damned moonbatty...

From a Christian pov, World Vision is excellent, Children's Christian Fund and of course the Salvation Army...

If the paroniod muslim groups were not such racists, there are many fine Jewish Aid organizations too but if they are so picky about receiving from Jews, then I say let them eat cake!

351 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:40:06pm

rightasrain:

The sea drew back and the children could see all the shells on the bare ocean floor - so the children ran out to collect them.

It's the saddest thing to think about, children delighting in the magic of the ocean and then being killed. I can't stand it.

352 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:40:26pm

#349 zulubaby

Everything living. For me it would be me and the kiddo...then down to the Grandparents house to get them.

If I had pets, I would try to get them too...but they can swim!

Everything else is unimportant next to human life.

353 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:44:04pm

BTW- here is that story I mentioned earlier about the American embassy being less than helpful.

American diver underwater during catastrophe

354 fiery celt  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:45:36pm

zulubaby and Sarah D

Sarah D., it would help if there was time to evacuate. Lady of Shalott (ylreveb) link says they have one hour to get out. What do you take with you when you know that your home is about to be destroyed? :-(

“Grab and git” and other survival packs

There are two types of survival packs you could be talking about. The first is a one-day pack containing emergency supplies, water, and food for one day’s “emergency.” Of course in a survival situation, this could be stretched.

The other survival pack is a “72-hour” or three-day pack, which allows for a longer period of emergency.

And yet another, the “grab-and-git” pack, is usually a heavy pack or even a packed travel trailer, filled with longer term survival gear and plenty of food for an expected longer duration evacuation.

For the day pack, one does not really “need” food, as nearly all of us, babies excepted, of course, can do without food for at least a week without “starving.”

You can, and probably should, for a feeling of well-being and comfort, add some food to your day pack. This can be types of food you are used to eating already, such as candy bars with nuts, granola bars, packaged jerky sticks, or fruit leather. Remember, though, that sugars and salt, such as found in candy and jerky, will make you thirsty, so pack enough water to satisfy your thirst.

A three-day or “72 hour” pack should have food, both to comfort you and strengthen you for any activity you must engage in. You can choose MREs (Meals Ready to Eat), if you like. But we don’t like the taste. Instead, we prefer to use dehydrated foods that are easily and quickly reconstituted. Today the choice is huge compared to what my canoe packing choises were years ago. And the choice is available on your supermarket shelves. You don’t have to pay three to five dollars a meal to get decent tasting, nutritious food from some outfitter’s catalog. (I never did that, but know many who did and continue to do just that.)

You won’t want anything that requires an oven or lots of fussing. You want to make it in one pan and have the cooking done quickly. You may not have available fuel to waste.

A few suggestions are: the many pastas/rice and sauce mixes, potato soup (my old standby), mac & cheese, dehydrated potato slices in many flavors (you don’t have to bake them), Ramen Oriental noodle mixes, instant oatmeal in flavors, and instant pudding mixes. I also carry hot chocolate and cider as well as instant milk in a zip lock bag. The drinks could also be tea or coffee if you like those instead. The instant milk is to use in other mixes. Remember, this is for a three-day “emergency.”

It is also a very good idea to have a “grab-and-git” stash for longer evacuations. I have one large cooler full of such food items. This would enable three of us to eat well for over a month or much longer when supplemented by foods gathered in the wild. In fact, we plan for such wild harvesting by also including basic fishing gear, fitted into a film canister: hooks, line, sinkers, and small flies for bait.

Included in this box are such things as flour, corn meal, rice, dehydrated corn, broccoli, peas, onions, baking powder, yeast, salt, shortening, dry eggs, dehydrated milk, tins of tuna, Spam, turkey, and chicken. You may ask why do I pack store-bought tins of food when I am so well known for home canning everything under the sun. The answer is that in a hurried evacuation, jars may break. The cans are more reliable. Popcorn and dehydrated butter and cheese powder are also a staple of our kitchen box.

You might be interested in our extension of this grab-and-git: a moderate sized travel trailer, totally equipped with clothes, food, water storage, potty, beds, ammunition, and more. When we lived in Montana, there were many forest fires in the mountains where we lived...

...g'nite

355 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:46:47pm

They would need to put in sirens in the areas that were hit.

If you have time, grab your identification papers, keep them all in one place, your purse, checkbood, credit cards, photos, and some extra clothes. If you don't have enough time to get outside, stand under a doorway, away from cupboards or flying glass or a fireplace with stone in it.

If you are really worried, prepare a little bag, flashlight, batteries, fresh water, some meds, first aid, water tablets that will treat bad water and make it safe to drink, packaged food, can get at camping stores. Sleeping bag. Candles, waterproof matches. Emergency radio, they have one that you crank a handle, it doesn't need batteries.

Zulubaby, they've been predicting a bad quake in CA for decades. Try not to worry too much. Get yourself all prepared, so at least you can relax about that. I made a kit up years ago, haven't had to use it yet.

356 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:49:51pm

Zulubaby - one more thing, put a pair of running shoes in, toothbrush, toothpaste, ect.

357 Sarah D.  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:53:03pm

And soap, don't forget the soap. I never travel without it! Antibacterial properties, and you feel better!

358 deadmaus  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:54:20pm

And god said F*ck them all for the atrocities they commited on innocent people and sent the waters to cover there lands.

They can thank Zarkawi for their ill luck.

359 garnier  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:54:58pm

Oxfam shops: where sloans (and others) go to buy second hand.

I found a very cool quasi Edwardian long coat at the one on Drury Lane in the West End.

God I miss London sometimes.

360 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:54:59pm

Good friend of a good friend lives in the Philippines and helped with the rescue in Phuket. He sent this message and a few pictures of the amazing damage. No OBL shirts either. I did notice a lot of the signage is in English.

You read about some good news when people step up to lend a hand in times of trouble.

Phuket

361 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:57:34pm

323 Bubble Girl

It just occured to me (it didn't before), that perhaps the old idiot's point was not "let's kill the Jews so God won't be angry" but "all you Jews better convert to Islam so God won't be angry," stupid though it is.

After talking to some Muslims I actually CAN imagine one being stupid enough to simply expect us to all convert to their uhm beliefs. Because God is angry, of course! :)

That all this hatred makes them ugly as sin never occures to them because, of course, it's God's rightious anger not their own violent, ugly hatred

362 VerticalSwordsman  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 9:58:56pm

#329 Rayra - The term/acronym NOTAM is also used to refer to Notice to Mariners.

363 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:02:43pm

Joshua -

Could be right. Everything can be looked at from a different perspective. I know there are people whose family and friends think they are kind and loving, which they are, because they chose to be, but are absolute assholes to others...

364 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:03:35pm

Bubble Girl (#355)

If you have time, grab your identification papers, keep them all in one place, your purse, checkbood, credit cards, photos, and some extra clothes. If you don't have enough time to get outside, stand under a doorway, away from cupboards or flying glass or a fireplace with stone in it.

If you are really worried, prepare a little bag, flashlight, batteries, fresh water, some meds, first aid, water tablets that will treat bad water and make it safe to drink, packaged food, can get at camping stores. Sleeping bag. Candles, waterproof matches. Emergency radio, they have one that you crank a handle, it doesn't need batteries.

You are so awesome. I am grateful if I remember to take my keys. I need to be told these things. I'd take soap and shampoo and conditioner and my toothbrush and toothpaste and hair dryer and off I'd go! Probably barefoot too.

fiery celt, thanks for the link.

365 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:05:53pm

Sarah D. (#357)

And soap, don't forget the soap.

zactly.

366 Bubble Girl  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:06:04pm

Well Good night, everyone, I hope the newest tsunamis will not be as horrible as the others, and that no more life is lost...

The outpouring of concern and caring on this blog has been phenomenal. Remember, no matter how the MSM spins this, the people who recieve our help are grateful, it will just never be reported...

367 Rayra[deleted]  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:08:48pm
368 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:10:39pm

Sleep tight, Bubble Girl.

369 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:24:20pm

Gee, I wonder how many of his million$ has the wealthy Mr. Osama Bin Hidin' donated? He probably sent them suicide vests from his vast arsenal.

370 Duke Newcombe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:35:36pm

j-damn:

I'd bet that at least 100,000 people starve to death annually in the tsunami-affected countries and no one gives a damn. Further, 9/11's casualties were all massed in a tiny chunk of Manhattan. This "little event" is spread out along HOW MANY square miles of densely populated 3rd world?

I don't want to minimize the extent of the unfolding tragedy of this tsunami disaster, but if you really want to put 3,000 or even 100,000 deaths into global perspective, check out the world population growing in real time.

Something like half a million people die every day on planet Earth. The world's population experiences a net increase of 250,000 people every day.

371 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:40:37pm

The Chabad of Thailand are doing relief work and I just made a donation... they seem like they're going to use the money properly. Good night everyone.

372 Muck DeFuslims  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:41:26pm

If they were all wearing Osama t-shirts would you still want to help them ?
If you knew they hated you would you still want to help them ?
If those that you help now would harm you later would you still help them ?
If you knew they'd gladly murder you would you still help them ?

It's not easy being human.

373 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:45:59pm

Even pond-scum-muslims, when they've lost everything, their children, thier possesions, their health... it's hard to know what to do when it comes to helping. Actually it's not. I'd help. The question is... would they?

374 Duke Newcombe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:47:51pm

Slightly OT: The Guardian does it's best to demonize the Western tourists who survived the tsunami:

Death is all around, but the band plays on for the tourist horde

Nor is he worried by the deaths of several hundred compatriots. Mr Johansson is anxious that the bar girl he has his eye on is going to keep holding out on him. "I'm having a good holiday," he said. "I went for a walk along the sand this morning, did a bit of swimming. Now I'm off drinking, and then we'll see."
"I heard what was going on with the wave and so on, and I just thought it was a bit of an exaggeration," said Peter Anstiss, 48, from Sydney, as he shared a beer with his brother in a bar off Patong beach's main drag. "I didn't think too much about it."
One new arrival at the Diamond Cliff, who flew in with her family from Moscow on Tuesday, relaxed on a lounger beside the pool. "We are here on holiday, not to be sad," she said. "I know bad things have happened, but it's nothing to do with us."
Back in Patong, Elliot Reid, from Melbourne, was finishing his gin and tonic. "I heard the warning from the government not to go to Phuket and just thought, fuck 'em," he said. "At the end of the day, if your number's up, your number's up. By the time the next one happens in a hundred years, I'll be dead."
375 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:48:42pm

I'd help them but if they tried to kill me, I'd be really annoyed.

376 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:49:43pm

Zulubaby:
:-)

377 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:53:47pm

Sgumfemfe, are you a vampire that you're up this late? :-)

378 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:55:22pm

I'm excited about going to Israel tomorrow... can't sleep! You're up late too!

379 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 10:56:18pm

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

This portion of the Sermon on the Mount gives me some insight as to whether I should lend a helping hand. Most of the Iraqis I think are glad we are there, and American soldiers do what they can. Unless someone has shown me they are unworthy or untrustworthy, I would probably help. But as my Dad always said: "Keep your eyes open."

380 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:03:57pm

Of course, I like to have F-18 and F-14's around when the evil rears its ugly head.


Good Guys Win Again

381 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:05:35pm

Shit... Death Toll passing 100 000. :-(

382 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:07:08pm

Sgumfemfe, I'd be wired about that too :-) Yeah, I don't know why I'm up so late, need to go to bed soon. I just haven't had much time for the news and LGF and wanted to catch up. Needed my news-junkie fix.

383 Stuck-in-CA  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:07:09pm

Would I help those who would murder me when I am in trouble? Yes...I would hand them food with one hand and hold a gun in the other, just in case.

384 foreign devil  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:12:34pm

...lurking...

385 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:13:06pm

Zulubaby:
Whew, I know... I'm trying to ween myself off...juu...uu...ss...ttt...o.nnn..e...m...ooo...r rr...e...ok...bedtime. See you when I get back.

386 Charles Tisse  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:13:33pm

First to clear up a few things.

The overwhelming majority of Sri Lankans do not support Osama Bin Laden. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy just bought the t-shirt because it was cheap and looked cool (to him), but didn't realise the significance of wearing that t-shirt.

The Muslim population in Sri Lanka is only 7%, which is slightly less than the Christian population of 8%. France has a bigger percentage of Muslims than that. The Tamil Tigers hate the Muslims, and have killed many of them for being Muslims. This is because the Muslims are better represented in the government despite only being a fraction the size of the Tamil population.

While Sri Lanka does not have formal relations with Israel, they do purchase lots of military equipment from them. While you couldn't consider them a friend of Israel, they are not an enemy either. Its mostly their small Muslim population that has anti-Israel feelings. Sri Lanka's political stance in terms of Israel can be more attributed to the economic interests they have with many Arab countries, plus the significant amount of expats living in the Middle East.

387 foreign devil  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:14:02pm

CNN/FOX: there are new reports of quakes and possible tsunamis.

388 Buckaroo  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:16:21pm

# 387 f d

These are different from the ~5.0 aftershocks India was reporting?

389 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:20:20pm

OK one more...
Foreign devil... do you have a link?

390 Athos  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:21:32pm

OT - Remember this post - Plague of Moonbats at the Pentagon, well, Captain Ed has an update here - Operation Pentagon Patriot set for Monday

All of the DC area LGF'ers available should check this out and let's coordinate our attack on the moonbats.

I'm sure it will be a rout of said moonbats / morlocks.

391 foreign devil  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:23:18pm

#388-389:

No link--it was on tv. Richard Quest for CNN and FOX update--about an hour ago now. I believe it might be a warning issued in response to the Indian aftershocks reported.

392 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:23:31pm

The question of whether someone should lend a hand to another who could be their killer reflects on how much paranoia does someone allow into their every day decision making.

I would imagine that since most Jews and Palestinians (someone correct me if I am wrong) work and live together peacefully, despite the extremists' and the media's portrayals of these relationships, they do trust each other and find it mutually beneficial to do so.

I'm not arguing with anyone, just thinking out loud, and I certainly wouldn't think I come close to understanding what is going on in the world.

Except where to get the best pizza.

393 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:26:54pm

Superdawg,
I think it's more of a moral question. It reality, I think we wouldn't really analize - just act on our intuition - well, I speak for myself at least.

394 scotch  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:29:39pm

#377 zulubaby Warren thread

I don't know. Mika was pretty x'd up earlier tonight. Maybe you and rightasrain have made a difference. Didn't mean any disrespect. The stick might have worked. I can't stand folks who will bawl in their own snot to get attention.

Johnny

395 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:31:32pm

Superdawg...
So where's the best pizza?

396 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:33:51pm

Sgumfemfe,
I agree that intuition is HUGE in determining what to do next in any given situation. Some folks are pretty rigid, which I suppose keeps them alive but yet isolated.

397 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:36:13pm

Sgumfemfe;

Chicago! Pizzeria Uno's or Gino's East top a long list. I live in Colorado now and the pizza is generally like...cardboard.

398 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:39:24pm

Sgumfemfe, don't forget to say Tefilat HaDerech and have a wonderful time and be bad :-)

399 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:40:58pm

Scotch, nah, you were funny. He's okay. You never know what people are going through.

400 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:44:34pm

Thanks for reminding me Zulubaby. Can I say it now or do I say it in the morning? Oh... and I'm going to try my hardest to be bad. I think I'll chew up a couple J.A.T.O. members too.

Superdawg...
Well, now, see, I live in New York City. :) Grimaldi's is a nice one.

401 scotch  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:46:14pm

#398 zulubaby

You're right. Five years though?...Ok. Boys don't understand.

402 zulubaby  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:46:25pm

Sgumfemfe, say it on the plane, before you take off, and every time you get into a taxi in Israel ;-)

403 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:48:21pm

I promise I will! Thank you. :)

404 superdawg  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:50:52pm

Sgumfemfe;

Well, since I have been to NYC twice, I would put in a good word for your thin crust as a close second!

And what a great city. Shows, food, etc., non-stop amazing. My wife and I did the tourist thing, went to the top of the WTC, you name it. I'd like to visit again and see Ground Zero. It's got to be quite moving.

405 Sgumfemfe  Wed, Dec 29, 2004 11:55:44pm

Superdawg:
NYC is truly something. Whenever I visit Ground Zero, I am very moved. The pictures posted on LGF re: WTC show the true horror. Whew.

406 zulubaby  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 12:00:01am

scotch, you're hilarious. And you've obviously never had your heart broken! ;-)

Sgumfemfe, look after yourself, talk to you when you get back.

Link for you: Tsunami warning sends thousands fleeing Indian coastline

Night guys, love you all lots.

407 superdawg  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 12:02:10am

Sgumfemfe;

Some of the most amazing images to me are the stories of firefighters and police going up the stairs while most are going down, and of people making last minute calls to their families.

I hope we never see anything like that again.


Thanks for the chat. Sound like "safe travels" as well?

408 Sgumfemfe  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 12:09:44am

Superdawg:
The stories are powerful and I echo your sentiments. Thank you for the safe travel wishes :) And for the chat!

Zulubaby:
Talk when I get back and I have my Tefilat Ha'Derech in my pocket for tomorrow. You guys are cool.

Sleep well.
:-)

409 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 12:21:38am

zulubably, et al.,

I'd noticed several comments, really questions, about the contributions/aid being made or denoted on part of the Religion of Regressive nations. Here's one brief mention: Saudi Arabia said it would give $10 million in emergency funding, while the Turkish government said it would contribute one million dollars to the international relief campaign.

Of course the article goes on to plug Somalia's needs under the Un's world food program. The same Somalia which is a testament to Un incompetence, a notch in the ever expanding list of Un failures and still considered a major transit, refuge, recruiting and/or staging area for islamic terrorism.

Then you have the tool in the comment area bitching about US relief and aid contributions...

In 2002, this guy estimated the Fraud’s had poured 87 billion exporting Wahhabism for 30 years, say 3 billion/year. Even if the amount was only a quarter, that's about 750 million going to the Fraudi fiendship funds but for all purposes…virtually not a penny is spent cleaning up their own backyards. In fact, none in the league/oic even make much pretense about it...

They're such a class-act(not). Last year the Frauds foreign investments/holdings were estimated in the $1 trillion range and this years oil revenues are expected to be about 100 billion...another 150 billion being spread around the rest.

But then again Islam's not in the disaster relief or aid business are they? Why help the infidel live?

Now if we were talking about the Islamic creation of a disaster, especially killing the infidel...that'd be an entirely different story. Islam would be there like flies on poop.

Suicide bombers? How many and where? Need explosives? What kind and where? Fund the supporters...how much?

410 Pamela  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 1:00:56am

OT #397 superdawg


ever try Blackhawks pizza? I think it is the best in the denver metro area.


4 in the morning I should at least *try* to sleep.

411 Ackomanyuki  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 1:27:25am

This photo is evidence of why any private US contributions should be balanced. I recommend that for every dollar an individual spends on aid for the Tsunami victims, they balance it with an equal amount spent on their personal ammunition stores; as a hedge investment for the enevitable when these wonderful humanitarians recover.

412 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 2:44:43am
413 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 2:45:26am
414 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:05:53am

AI

It was the t-shirt.

OT - We obviously know which side our fwrench, german and spanish allies have chosen.

However...Tony Blair better get busy and draw the brits a picture if they can read this and still don't understand: Choosing sides in Iraq.

415 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:17:32am

I don't know if that is fair to note a single asshat with an OBL t-shirt. If there was a disaster in Berkeley or even Austin, I'm sure you could find a dweeb or two in a Che' t-shirt or wearing the Palestinian tableclothe head-wear.

416 TMF  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:18:05am

If im not mistaken, radical islam is alive and well in Sri Lanka.

No surprise.

417 Sean II  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:26:26am

OT: War related. Why do we continue to give Syria the "get out of jail free" card?

U.S.: Syria Aiding Iraq Insurgency

418 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:34:16am

OT- Looking at 06Z GFS at 204 hours, possible major ice storm shaping up for DFW area just in time for Friday afternoon commute. GFS says cold air arrives Thursday afternoon, but arrives shallow, then precip starts developing midday Friday, with a shallow layer of cold air entrenched at the surface, but relatively warm air aloft. Sleet and freezing rain DFW, but maybe 7.6 to 13 cm of snow for OKC. As surface low pulls out enough cold air probably comes in to change DFW to snow. Both snow and ice accumulations should be light in DFW (storm totals less than 1 cm), but it doesn't take much to zoo up the Friday afternoon rush, and everyone will be back from vacation by then.

Except in Russia, but the number of Russian-American commuters in Dallas is low.

BTW, that is the 6Z GFS, and one should not trust a single model run completely, but last night's Euro through early Wednesday shows a 1044 mb arctic high pouring into Montana and North Dakota from Canada, so another arctic outbreak is possible. Current analysis shows a 1052 mb high buil;ding over Siberia. When really cold air hits Texas, it starts in Siberia and comes over the North Pole and down.

419 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:44:16am
420 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:45:32am

I thought Aceh was in Indonesia. I thought most of the violence in Sri Lanka was the Tamils, who, IIRC, aren't Muslim.

421 cybermonk  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:56:13am

Haven't read the thread, but just how much did OBL contribute to his Moslem "brothers?"

422 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:58:31am
423 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:00:32am
424 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:05:22am
425 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:06:21am
426 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:06:34am

#418 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

Looking at 06Z GFS at 204 hours, possible major ice storm shaping up for DFW area just in time for Friday afternoon commute.

Just what we need. I am off tomorrow and will make sure I stay home. If there is one thing Texans have trouble with, that is driving on ice. They seem to have the idea that since the roads are bad, they should speed up so they get off them sooner.

427 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:07:06am
428 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:09:48am

Here is a good peice by Peggy Noonan
Disturbances in the Earth

I thought the other day of Harrison Salisbury, and his response when asked what he'd learned after a lifetime as a reporter. "Expect the unexpected," he said. And of course we do, in the abstract, but when a story like this comes along in the particular, with maybe 80,000 dead, maybe more, we are aghast. And should be. Call it the force of nature or the hand of God or both; call it geological inevitability or the oldest story in the world (life is tragic) reasserting itself on a broader-than-usual level--however you see the earthquake and the tsunami, it reminds you that man is not in charge.
429 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:16:11am

Engineer


Not tomorrow Friday, as that won't inconvenience anybody but the drunks.


204 hours implies a week from Friday.

430 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:16:47am

And really, less than half an inch of freezing rain is not a major ice storm, only a moderate one.

431 V the K  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:18:00am

100% Pure Nightmare Fuel

I was going to caption it, but it seemed so... unnecessary. So, I did something with Elmo instead.

432 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:27:13am

#429 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C

Not tomorrow Friday, as that won't inconvenience anybody but the drunks.

I didn't see the 204 hours. Now it makes sense since the local forecasts didn't show it.

Well, I will just go to work early and leave early that day.

433 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:32:24am

V the K


The Malkin link said I'm not allowed to visit the page.

434 Ol' Southern Boy  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:35:27am

#428, [Engineer] noted: "...but when a story like this comes along in the particular, with maybe 80,000 dead, maybe more, we are aghast. "

Has anyone noticed:

100,000+ die in a tsunami, and the world is aghast.

But, 300,000+ turn up in graves across Iraq, and the world yawns.

When shit just happens (like a tsunami), we get all lathered up. But when real evil kills on a massive scale, no one gives a rat's ass.

I guess Stalin was right: "one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic."

435 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:35:38am

I can view the 44th President Kerry picture off the MM website, but I get blocked using V the K's link.

What is the meaning of life?

436 V the K  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:35:55am

Ed,

Nightmare Fuel Alterna-Link

Gee, I wonder what you did to effend Michelle Malkin?

437 Sean II  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:45:08am
438 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 4:47:14am

I don't know, I clicked on the pic on the MM website and it came up no problem.

BTW, the governor of Michigan, who looks like a Canadian version of Hillary has made a bet with the Texas governor over the Rose Bowl.

Perry is betting a case of Texas citrus against 2 boxloads of childrens books written by Michigan authors.


Is that lame, or what. Michigan can't do better than children's books?


If I were Perry, I'd alter the bet and make it an 18 wheeler worth of Texas cattle chips.

440 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:02:14am
441 Ferris Bueller  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:13:51am

#439 - Ed, Michigan's junior senator, Debbi Stabenow, is also a ditzy Hillary-clone. I caught her on the radio trying to defend the Democrat judicial filibusters. The woman could be outsmarted by Jell-O.

Michigan has the same problem as several large states. The common sense of voters in the rest of the state is cancelled out by the mass idiocy and machine fraud of voters in Detroit.

442 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:15:02am

OT but since we are talking about terrorism...

FBI Probes Laser Beam Directed at Cockpit

This can be very dangerous, as a well aimed and strong enough laser can blind a pilot!

443 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:15:44am

Osama picture notwithstanding (it does show where even the sympathies of non-Muslims are), Sri Lanks is less than 10% Muslim. That rescue worker is likely a Buddhist or a Hindu. But then Ameriphobia unites many different religions and nationalities under a single world banner.

444 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:16:23am

#434 Ol' Southern Boy

100,000+ die in a tsunami, and the world is aghast.

Because you don't have to take sides when it is a natural disaster, but you do when some political group does it.

Hitler gets blamed (rightfully) for all the deaths he caused, but you hear very little about Stalin, Mao, Pot Pol and all the others. If you really want to start a fight with the LLL, call Hitler a Socialist (which he was). Instant foaming at the mouth.

445 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:17:30am
446 lawhawk  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:18:29am

Israeli Ambassador to Kofi: Fire Lakhdar Brahimi, for his anti-Israel tirades. Brahimi, who is well known to LGFers, made yet another anti-Israel diatribe, to wit:

Mr. Brahami recently likened Prime Minister Sharon to an assassin, adding to a series of statements that embarrassed the secretary-general, who is trying to position himself as a player in the peace process between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs.

Brahimi should be shown the door, preferably from above a helicopter's rotors, quickly followed by Kofi himself for permitting such conduct to continue for years on end. [ed: not nice to wish ill-will on others, but continue to make exceptions for those who truly deserve punishment, in this life, or the next.]

447 AW  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:20:32am

Some background on Muslims in Sri Lanka

To the people who are afraid to "jump to conclusions": get a clue.

What are the chances that a black t-shirt with a huge, glowing portrait of Osama on the front, produced in a third-world country and worn by a person who is clearly from the lower classes of society is some sort of witty, ironical jab at bin Laden?

People from third world countries who live hand to mouth aren't like you. They don't eat pop tarts in the morning, they don't watch Comedy Central, they don't barbeque steaks in their backyards on Sundays, they don't drive their children to soccer practice in SUVs, and they don't wear wisecracking t-shirts.

448 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:22:16am

Why America is going to throw hundreds of millions of dollars at fanatically Islamic Aceh is incomprehensible. The Achenese Muslims are far more fanatical than their Islamic brethren in other parts of Indonesia. A huge majority of them would wish death on every American man, woman, and child if they could. And we will never buy their love with kind words, massive aid, rebuilding, grants, whatever. It will only intensify their anger. And they see the tsunami as punishment from Allah for being insufficiently devout (i.e. insufficiently fanatical). So the disaster will only radicalize them further--- as will our massive aid efforts.

449 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:24:16am
450 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:27:09am

As a good West Michigan Republican, I agree that Jenny Granholm is indeed another Hillary, at least from a political standpoint. From another viewpoint though, I must confess, she is not Hillary. Her legs are as shapely as they come and her butt doesn't have its own zip code.

Yeah, the children's books are pretty lame.

451 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:28:10am

#444 (Engineer)---

Good point about Hitler. I've actually had arguments with conservatives about this-- conservatives who insist Hitler was "right-wing" (or even a Christian) and therefore equate him with Pat Buchanan or Reagan. It's a total fallacy. Hitler didn't want more individual freedom, free elections, or free religiosity as America's "right-wing" does. Hitler was a socialist who was allied with Stalin (Pact of Steel) at the beginning of WWII. His megalomania got the better of him after the West was subdued and he turned on his fellow socialist tyrant, invading the Soviet Union in 1941.

452 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:31:26am
Michigan has the same problem as several large states. The common sense of voters in the rest of the state is cancelled out by the mass idiocy and machine fraud of voters in Detroit.

Yep. Take away the votes from Wayne and Macomb counties and the Dummies would never win a thing in Michigan.

453 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:32:12am

Infidel,
PAtriot,
Ed,

Read the Denver Post article. One of the quotes claims the incidents at Colo Spgs may have been from legitimate sources, such as the Air Force Academy?

454 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:32:25am

#450 One_Shot_One_Kill---

Come on, do you have something against Hillary's jellied, dimpled, pockmarked, broken capillaried, varicosed physique? (As compared with her husband's?).

455 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:32:47am

#449 American Infidel

Cleveland has a large moslem population

And it is the 16,472th Holiest Site of islam.
The City Council, in the year 2154 has forbidden the celebration of all Christian and Jewish Holidays because of the recent archeological discoveries: it's now sure that the Prophet lived here for some time (just before his Oslo period).

Good Morning America !

456 LemonJoose  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:34:35am

When we strart airdropping food and medicine, we should shamelessly use huge American flag parachutes, and every bag of flour and rice should have a big American flag stamp on it as well so all of these morons are forced to acknowledge who is helping them and who is not.

457 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:37:23am

#453 Bob


Yes, that may well be, but it's still odd and potentially dangerous to the pilots and passengers.

458 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:38:04am

Is it wrong to suggest the majority of our food aid should consist of Pork products?

459 alegrias  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:38:56am

Not OT--Tuesday (12/28/04) WashPost Metro section featured a sympathetic Tsunami fund raising story about a Sri Lankan muslim, Rizwan Mowlana, who is executive director of CAIR--Council on American-Islamic Relations in Maryland, USA.

He was busy with lawyers starting a new "charity" to "help". Sorry for the quote marks but I don't think much of islamic charitable orgs fundraising in America.

460 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:40:25am

I'll try not to derail the thread by belaboring the point about Hillary's...er, physique...but notice how Republican women like Katherine Harris had their physical appearances savagely attacked by the MSM...but gorgeous diva-Democrats like Janet Reno or Madelein None-Too-Bright never had their bona fides as sex goddesses questioned. Now back to the tsunamis...

461 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:42:23am

#459 Alegrias

He was busy with lawyers starting a new "charity" to "help".

He probably saw the same photo we are commenting in this thread and he fell in love with the guy with the Tshirt.
He thought: "They need help, they need money to buy Kalashnikovs".
So it started.

462 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:44:27am

Hey Charles,

Does any of this sound familiar?

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based group...said the United States...was setting a poor example by cutting its aid budget and warned that the move might prompt other countries to follow suit.

...the report said that ‘‘this seeming withdrawal from traditional leadership is so grave that it poses a risk of undermining political support for development cooperation’’ by other donor countries.

It said the United States contributed...of one percent of its gross domestic...putting it last among...

You may not remember that specifically, however, it is on page S5920 of the Congressional Record, May 1, 1995.(pdf)

463 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:45:36am

Patriot,

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear as I doubt the veracity of the statement. The AF Academy would undoubtedly know what they were doing regarding pilots.

464 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:45:46am

#451 Firebreather

Hitler didn't want more individual freedom, free elections, or free religiosity as America's "right-wing" does. Hitler was a socialist who was allied with Stalin (Pact of Steel) at the beginning of WWII.

NAZI stands for "National Socialist Workers Party" in German. What part of that does the left not understand?

What makes Hitler stand out is the fact that he industrialized killing.

465 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:45:52am

Bob, Infidel, Patriot, Ed

I remembered reading about this recently. Here is a link to an article early in Dec. Previous article on laser threat

Surely with the data from the satellites, the Feds know where the lasers are coming from.

466 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:49:40am

From Ann Coulter's Op/Ed linked above:

Like the archers of Agincourt, John O'Neill and the 254 Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.

Priceless! Has she been reading LQF?

467 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:50:01am
468 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:50:19am

Cowgirl,

Thanks for the link.


I love the internet.

469 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:50:29am

OK, I know this is crude, but it is funny.

Do you know why a former first Daughter is so...appearance challenged?

Because Janet Reno is her father.

470 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:51:43am

#463 Bob,

That splains that! Yep, I have serious doubts that the academy would track a passenger jet with out someone knowing about it (eg the FBI or the Pentagon)...

The reporter seems to be shrugging it off.

471 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:51:47am

Oops. Should be LGF.

PIMF

472 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:52:58am

So far, 4 days into the disaster, here are just a FEW of the spurious charges leveled by the MSM at the Bush administration, trying to politicize the catastrophe:

1) Early Warning Center in Hawaii KNEW
2) Bombing of Iraq may have caused tectonic plates to shift thousands of miles away in the Indian Ocean
3) American aid paltry, stingy, insufficient, even insulting
4) Bush insensitive, not appearing before the cameras to apologize/express concern every hour on the hour
5) America insensitive to cultural needs of region (i.e. insisting that bodies be burned to avoid the spread of disease, offending Achenese Muslims' religious taboos)
6) America not helping Sumatra enough because it is overwhelmingly Muslim
7) Powell, state department, exaggerating extent of America's aid effort
8) Tiny Norway is more committed to the aid effort than the Bush administration
9) American companies may seek to profit from the disaster by particpating in the rebuilding efforts
10) Bush administration failed to install an Early Warning Center in the Indian Ocean
11) If America hadn't invaded Iraq, there would be more aid funds available

(Feel free to add to this list...)

473 rayw  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:53:03am

OT -- Red State/Blue State Bowl Standings

Red -- 7
Blue -- 5

I'm giving Colorado to the Blue, since the Republic of Boulder is as Blue as Berkely. How about the WAC! UTEP almost pulled it off last night.

474 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:54:17am

Back in the mid-80s, personnel aboard Soviet warships occasionally shined lasers into the cockpits of P-3 Orions conducting low-altitude, intelligence-gathering fly-bys. One particular pilot from a MPA squadron based at Barbers Point, HI suffered perminent retinal damage. IIRC, this happend in the Arabian Sea.

Note: WxEd has most likely been drunk in Barbers Point.

475 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:54:49am

Thanks for the link Cowgirl!

476 Sojourner  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:54:54am

I sent an email to Dennis Prager, and I got a reply!

How cool is that? :)

477 Michoel  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:55:34am

OT, Very funny Daily Kos:

This is a direct quote. My only change was to make the last line bold:

Um. Someone tell GOoPer Dino Rossi that when you lose an election, you have to wait until the next cycle to run again:
The night before Washington's secretary of state was scheduled to certify Democrat Christine Gregoire as the governor-elect, her Republican rival Dino Rossi called for a complete re-do of the longest, closest governor's race in state history.

"The uncertainty surrounding this election process isn't just bad for you and me -- it is bad for the entire state. People need to know for sure that the next governor actually won the election," Rossi said Wednesday evening, reading from a letter he sent to Gregoire.

There is no uncertainty. Washington's Republican secretary of state is about to certify the vote for Gregoire. Take out the batch of legitimate ballots allowed by the Supreme Court last week, and Gregoire still squeezes out a victory.
So Rossi will have to stop playing "governor-elect" and let the real winner assume that mantle. And the WA GOP will simply have to get over it.

No one likes a sore loser.

478 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:55:38am

#458 & 457

Is it wrong to suggest the majority of our food aid should consist of Pork products?

As a producer of custom raised pastured pork, I would take a dim view of my pork being sent anywhere it wasn't appreciated for its "delicate" flavor.

Let them eat MRE, whatever the heck that stuff is?!?!?

479 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:55:51am
480 Peacekeeper  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:55:53am

#472 Firebreather

Did we remember to harvest their organs while we're at it? My spleen has been vented so much it is inside out (ouch).

481 Renna  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:56:44am

#456 LJ

At the very least, it would give them a better quality flag to burn for their protests. Longtime lgfers know their painted bedsheet flags are a pet peeve of mine.

When my church sent food to Iraq, we could put no markings that let it be known we were Americans or (heaven forbid) Christians. They would take our food but we couldn't offend them with the sight of our name.

482 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:57:12am

#474 One_Shot_One_Kill

Heck they're doing it with planes too...

483 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:57:36am

[engineer]


Started the New Year's celebrating early I see.

: )

484 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:57:44am

#474

Also happened in Puget Sound. The pilot just recently lost his final suit against the government for compensation for his permanent grounding. Navy claims there is no definitive proof that the Soviet ship that was in the area lasered him.

485 [Engineer]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:59:50am

#470 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I have serious doubts that the academy would track a passenger jet with out someone knowing about it (eg the FBI or the Pentagon)...

Right, plus I have never heard of a visible light laser used for tracking. I mean, how dumb do they think the military is?

486 Studsup  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:00:36am

Here is what Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich nations likely will do for relief. They will wait for the rest of the world to clean up the destruction and restore something approaching normalcy after such a massive disaster. Then, and only then, they will finance the construction of mosques, Wahabbist muslim centers and schools that will spread more hatred against the infidel.

I am an acquaintance of a professional financier that works in international development aid. We helped saved the muslim Bosnian Serbs at our risk and cost. He tells me that the Bosnians were generally, and some extremely, grateful and recognized the contribution of the USA to their safety and security. Not long after we stabilized the situation and began to help rebuild Bosnia's infrastructure, a lot of money started flowing into Bosnia from (he thinks) Iran to build mosques and Islamic centers. What to you think Iranian Islamic centers are teaching and fomenting? Iran did nothing to save Bosnia during the slaughter, but do not doubt that on Europe's doorstep, Iran is actively recruiting and training the next generation of warrior Jihadis -- the very children that we saved.

Watch for that to happen in Sri Lanka and other countries with muslim populations devasted by this disaster.

487 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:02:49am

Apparently some folks have never been very hungry.

Cowgirl,

What is "custom raised" pork? I know I'm setting myself up to be flamed with (bad) humor but I had to ask.

488 Renna  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:03:45am

#472 firebreather

A caveat to #6 that we heard here has been that Bush has missed a great opportunity to build goodwill with Muslims, just like he wasted all that post-911 worldwide goodwill.

489 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:05:28am
490 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:06:32am
491 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:07:37am

Bob, Custom raised pork, means that it is sold before I even buy the piglets, which I raise using pastured methods, and then have butchered according to the customer's specifications. It is rather expensive, but the pigs are happy and healthy, and the meat is fab. Factory pork does not even compare to it.

492 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:09:19am

Renna,

I would think that the world would like to start kissing the a$$ of the one remaining superpower. More so now that we've proven our imperialistic tendencies.

493 keyword  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:09:26am

There's no way that photo was taken in GALLE, SRI LANKA. The The caption should have read:
PHUKET

494 Renna  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:09:37am

Great, now I'm all hungry.

495 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:10:00am

#472 Firebreather:

regarding number 1. Not only did they know, they sent out an informational broadcast warning within about 20 munites of the earthquake. They even tried to notify some of the Governments in the Indian Ocean. But, being Sunday and all, apparently no one was home.

I won't even go into the decision by at least one of the Government's not to warn for fear of affecting the tourist industry if it was a false alarm, as had happened in the recent past.

496 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:10:26am

484:
That's a shame he was denied benefits. Do you know how long ago the incident over PS took place?

It was happening all over WestPac at the time I was in (mid-80s to early-90s). We Orion drivers had to start wearing those specially-tinted glasses whenever conducting fly-bys of Soviet vessels. I often wondered whether those glasses would actually prevent a laser penetration.

497 Sojourner  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:10:30am

I love pork.

498 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:12:56am

Cowgirl,

Thanks. Sounds tasty but the only food I don't like is creamed corn. Seefood dieter.

: )


Ironfist,

He might not return my calls as my family has 2 of the 3 K's covered. He's a certified loon but makes good sound bites.

499 Ed Moran abu GOMEX aob 26.5C  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:13:12am

Been drunk on the Navy base at Pearl Harbor, and in Waikiki. No place else.


No, Colorado should be red if they went Bush. If you used the loony college town, than Ohio State and University of Texas would also count as blue states.


BTW, both OSU's were Red States, which helps. Miami and Florida in the Peach Bowl are both Red Staters.


I don't usually cheer for Texas Tech University, but I'm hoping they surprise Cal. Does anybody remember when everyone expected Kansas State to beat m&a in the 1998 Big XII title game, and the Cotton Bowl already offered the bid to Texas, which had beaten m&a (the Ricky Williams (pre-drug) Heisman Year), probably assuming m&a would lose and they'd go to the Alamo Bowl?

m&a upset KSU in OT, m&a went to the Sugar Bowl, and all the KSU players were whining about how the Alamo Bowl was below them. Then, unmotivated they went into the Alamo Bowl and got beaten by Purdue.


Maybe the Cal players will have the same attitude about the Holiday Bowl, and another Red State team will win.


(Still not right that the political party made up of members comprising the various spectrum of socialism to Stalinism from pink to red are "blue").

500 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:13:12am
501 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:14:30am

One shot.

I (along with others of my MOS) made those glasses.

502 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:14:40am

#496:

I'm pretty sure it was in the mid-80's, I believe the incident happened while I was stationed in Seattle between 1985-1988.

The pilot in question was a helo pilot, doing fly-bys of Soviet ships going into Canada.

I'll have to do some research and see if I can find anything.

503 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:15:15am
504 Sojourner  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:15:19am

Ed!

There was a twister in Inglewood, California, you were right on target!

505 abu_garcia  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:16:02am

#438 Ed

If I were Perry, I'd alter the bet and make it an 18 wheeler worth of Texas cattle chips.

I've always admired your ability to think of the right thing at the right time. Kudos!

506 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:16:03am

I love pork too ;)

507 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:17:21am

#486 Studsup---

Kind of like how we liberated Kuwait from the clutches of Saddam's Iraq (at their own insistence, no less!)...Kuwaitis were grateful for a few weeks, then began hating America even more, eventually even siding with Saddam's Iraq as the 90s wore on. UnFu--ing believable! Kuwaitis have murdered many US troops and civilian personnel since their liberation in '91. And Somalia--- we were there to help protect Muslims, distribute foodstuffs, etc--- they repaid us with murder. There are so many examples of America reaching out to Muslims, saving them, providing aid & comfort, building up their economies, helping their sick societies...yet it is never reported, never discussed, and credit (most assuredly) is NEVER given.

508 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:18:26am

Ed:

Go Navy, Beat University of New Mexico.

But isn't just doesn't flow as well as Go Navy, Beat Army.

Of course, when Navy wins, it has to be a blue state win, Too Bad.

509 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:19:36am

507 Firebreather

Aiding a muslim is like giving first aid to a rattle snake. Sure, you're helping it out, but it'll turn around and bite you first chance it gets

510 Sojourner  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:19:47am

Ever see the Beggin Strips commercial where the dog runs around saying "Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!"

That's me :)

511 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:20:07am

#500 Infidel

The pigs are a helluva lot cleaner than my dogs who just can't resist rolling in manure. LOL! Pigs get in the mud to cool off because they have no sweat glands. Mine get to swim in the lake, so they don't really get muddy too often or for very long. They really aren't bad animals to raise, and sure taste good. I only raise a certain manageable number of pigs each year, because a whole bunch of pigs can tear up the pastures like you wouldn't believe. They root for worms etc.

512 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:21:56am

Yeah, I think "Phuket" is an apt description of the Thai government's response to the tsunami warning that was given to them.

513 Peacekeeper  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:22:35am

One fear I have of all this too predictable anti-american spining by the MSM is that terror groups will undoubtedly pick up on it, add it to their list of grievances, and down the line this fuse they've lit to take a cheap shot at GWB will result in some poor bastard getting kidnapped and beheaded.
If you're an MSM reporter reading this, take some time and think it over.

514 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:23:41am

I watched a pig eat a chicken once. Initially the chicken wasn't happy.

515 Studsup  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:23:58am

#490 American Infidel -- "The majority of all $$$ spent in the world to build mosque's, etc., I do believe that it has been written about often enough... "

Perhaps you are right, but the link that isn't made is that the Islamic nations let the infidels do the heavy lifting (and won't allow the infidel to even take credit for it) only to have the Islamists take advantage of the situation to breed more hatred for the infidel. The USA's support for the Bosnian and Albanian muslims has gone entirely for naught. We just clear the path and lay the foundation for the spread of radical Islam, at our expense.

516 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:24:11am
517 Semper Gumbi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:27:14am

#496 One Shot One Kill.

Boy was I in the wrong decade. The incident I was talking about actually happened in 1997.

Here is one link:Navy Eyes

I'm wondering if something similar happened in the 80's that I am confusing with this incident?

Or maybe it is just old age creeping up.

518 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:27:16am

Infidel of America,

That asks the question of what language? Aramaic, Hebrew?

519 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:29:36am

#514 Bob with one O

Initially the chicken wasn't happy


you have a great sense of humor! That was funny!

520 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:29:38am

Bob-O:

I appreciate that. Thanks. But as with most things military, lowest-bid contractor supplied you with the materials. *That* is what concerned me most at the time.

Anyway, I'm now 46 and my eyeballs are one of my few remaining bodily organs still functioning at 100% (insert joke here), so I guess they worked okie-dokie.

521 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:31:08am

Firebreather,

The first newscast my husband saw of the tsunami had "Phuket" at the bottom of the screen. He raised an eyebrow and asked me how in the hell that was pronounced. The past few days, our family conversation has been laced liberally with "Well just pooket."

522 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:31:57am
523 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:34:08am

Look at some of the Muslim nations who have benefitted from America's generosity and largesse (some of these countries owe their very existence to America):
Egypt (more than $50 billion in direct aid since '79!), Afghanistan (liberated from both the Soviet Union & the Taliban), Kuwait (liberated from Iraq), Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Indonesia...how many more hoops does America have to jump through to prove its perfectly altruistic, parental love for the sick Muslims of the world---? You buy no love from a rattlesnake--- which of these nations has said 'thank you' or expressed any gratitude whatsoever? They all hate America-- every one of them. Yet here we go again-- jumping through more hoops to prove our love for Muslims and earn their respect.

524 Al di Grandpa  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:34:16am

OT: My grandson Cpl. Pat, USMC is among these guys.

Marines to Sri Lanka

God bless 'em all.

Semper Fi

525 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:36:04am
526 Hankmeister  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:36:24am

Nothing like an Usama bin Laden rescue shirt. It ought to have this caption: "We rescue you today in order to behead you tomorrow."

I'll always remember a t-shirt worn by a Gulf War I veteran that showed a picture of a heavily armed American stepping over dead Iraqi soldiers. It was captioned, "I stepped in some Shitte today."

527 Cowgirl  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:37:29am

Infidel,
Thanx for the heads up on the book. I've just ordered it from the local library.

528 kayawanee  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:37:47am

#510 Sojourner

Ever see the Beggin Strips commercial where the dog runs around saying "Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!" That's me :)

I love that commercial, especially the part where the dog says, "What's that say? I CAN'T READ!

Laugh everytime I see it.

529 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:38:17am

One shot,

Actually in this case not true. Those lenses contained some very high tech and toxic materials. The only western nation that would even allow the blanks to be manufactured in was West Germany. They were very, very expensive. Only our best people were allowed to work on them. BTW at the time we only had aprox 160 people in the MOS.

530 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:39:09am

517 Semper:

I'm wondering if something similar happened in the 80's that I am confusing with this incident?

I can assure you that lazing incidents by Soviet vessels (warships, as well as their so-called "fishing boats") targeting U.S. military aircraft did indeed take place back in the 80s. It wasn't routine, but it happened with enough regularity for the Navy to start issuing U.S. maritime partol cockpit crews optical protection devices prior to flight.

531 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:40:39am
532 Sojourner  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:41:23am

528 kayawanee

Isn't that just the best commercial!?!

533 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:42:56am

Muslims will never "love" America or its way of life. They respect and admire ruthless physical violence, which is why all Muslim heroes are conquerors (Muhammad, Saladin) and terrorist killers (Osama, Zarqawi). But America is no bully, and therefore is not worthy of respect. America's generosity is proof of America's weakness, in their eyes. No Muslim would ever help his enemy, after all-- enemies are to be crushed, obliterated. As it is, Muslims neither love nor respect America. They could be made to respect America, however.

534 One_Shot_One_Kill  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:43:31am

Bob-O

OK, good info. Thanks again for keeping by eyeballs off the casualty list of the CW.

535 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:44:59am

One shot,

No problem. Everything else produced was as you say.

: (

536 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:47:06am

Bacon for breakfast, pork chops and mashed potatoes with sauerkraut for lunch... but what's for dinner?

537 Bob with one O  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:48:39am

Beef, it's whats for dinner.

538 Peacekeeper  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:49:19am

In June of 1999 I was walking in the Bosnian City of Gorazde, a UN "safe Zone" for muslims that was shelled and under siege by the Serbs until Uncle Sugar bombed some sense into them.

At any rate, on this particular afternoon two unmistakeably American Apache helos passed over, weapons slung.

The people were cheering and waiving and a few horns were honking.

No need to write off all muslims everywhere.

PS I know there was mujahadeen presence in Bosnia

539 American Infidel[deleted]  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:54:32am
540 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 6:55:03am

If America were like the Muslim world, we would admire the despots and killers of Western civ--- Hitler, Stalin, Ted Bundy, Harold Shippman. Instead, these monsters are the villains of Western civ. In the West, we admire the scientists (Einstein, Newton), the artists (Shakespeare, Beethoven), the emancipators (Lincoln, Churchill), the humanitarians (Mother Theresa, Ghandi). If we were like Muslims, we would think Hitler was just the greatest guy, worthy of emulation, a national hero. (Sorry, I know I'm preaching to the choir)... Kennedy said to "judge a nation by its heroes." Churchill said to "Judge a nation by its friends." I say "Judge a nation by its enemies." By any of those 3 calculations, America looks pretty good--- and Muslim societies are sick and retrograde.

541 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:01:41am

#539 American Infidel--

Stop it! My stomach is a-rumblin!

#538 Peacekeeper---

The whole breakup of Yugoslavia, the Serb-Bosnian conflicts, the Albanian conflicts, seem clouded in such secrecy. I can scarcely say I know very much about what went on there. But...I have my doubts about Bosnian Muslims loving America now, at the end of 2004. When America was a convenience to them, liberating them, they may have felt grateful. But now? Look at how Kuwait felt towards America-- and contrast it with how they did a 180 degree about-face. I'll defer to your far superior knowledge on this topic--- just curious if you think America's help permanently bought us some goodwill among Muslims in the Balkans.

542 zenbone  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:04:23am

Some news from "Occupied Jerusalem". The article's headline states: Palestinians Rescue Tsunami-hit Israeli honeymooners. Then read on to find out that what they did was lent them money for plane tickets home.

There was no rescue. There is no occupied Jerusalem.

543 alegrias  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:16:07am

OT but in one stricken place residents were waiting for "untouchables" to come clean up the bodies. Hindu caste hatred?

544 Peacekeeper  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:24:27am

Firebreather
I don't know and I sure don't want to come across as some damn fool apologist for these apostates of Hell.

Bosnians were, are, a European society and culture. There were some devout muslims in some areas but the majority I encountered were secular, seldom if ever set foot in Mosques and were embarrassed, even ashamed of the mid east fanatics who even then were all in the news. They considered them cavemen. The war brought a few hundred to a few thousand mujahadeen into the country. They committted savage acts, and settled in some areas where they were busily trying to put down Taliban like roots. When I left in 2000, the big debate was Uncle Sam trying to force Bosnian President Izgebegovic--- (I can't spell it any more) to expel these inbred fiends. The resistance was that it would endanger money (graft) coming in from Arab countries.

So maybe the bigger issue is we can't let these countries be seduced by money and fanatical Islam. Bosnia has been the historic frontline in the clash of civilizations, but geography no longer is the defining factor as 9/11 proved.

I know a bunch of Bosnian immigrants here that are terrified that we will treat them like Jews in Nazi Germany. It's hard to reassure people who have faced genocide once already. Another factor is that our dirty, stinking domestic ethnic grievance industry has been quick to rush in and tell them they are victims of Amerikkka every time they get a speeding ticket or a funny look.

545 Firebreather  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:35:41am

#544 Peacekeeper--

Thank you.

I have heard that the Muslims have been committing atrocities against Christians in the Balkans since '99 (and historically, too), but it's all off the MSM's radar now...and the UN doesn't give a rip, either.

546 Carl B  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:40:26am

An interesting snapshot from the 'Health' and 'Top Stories' sections of Google News a while ago. Note the single story that is apparently more important than all others combined! It's not just the T-shirt guy who is demented.

Vioxx: More Debate, More Data
Forbes - 5 hours ago - all 129 related »

UN warns of crucial days ahead
Guardian - 2 hours ago
As aid agencies struggled to cope with the scale of the Indian Ocean tsunami disaster, the UN today warned that the next few days would be critical in the fight to control potential outbreaks of disease. - all 3 related »

Foreign Experts Race to Identify Dead in Thailand ABC News - 11 hours ago
Foreign forensic experts joined the desperate race to identify Thailand's tsunami victims as the death toll and the number of missing mounted on Thursday. - all 315 related »

Asian Tsunami Disaster
Yahoo News - 1 hour ago - all 269 related »

Israel barrier to include Palestinians
Seattle Post Intelligencer - 1 hour ago
A section of Israel's West Bank separation barrier will leave 17,000 Palestinians on the Israeli side, hampering their access to the West Bank, settler and security officials said Thursday. - all 737related »

547 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 7:45:46am

I can confirm reading reports of laser use in the 1980's algthough I seem to recall the incidents were made public well after they happened.

As for the tetragammaton being visible from a satellite shot of Jerusalem, it is more likely someone was doing a close in shot of someone praying at the wall; the layout of the city does not contain streets planned to that shap.

548 Xixi  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 8:44:48am

This is from a reader response to BBC asking people to tell of their experiences in the tsunami. All the rest of the letters were from people who were there. This dude used it as a chance to slam America.

The devastation of this horrifying disaster is far beyond what anyone who is not in the region can imagine. Particularly those people in the United States. As an international student there, I am appalled at the lack of news coverage, appeal for aid and sympathy among the people and on the national TV networks. How ironic - when a country that devoted so much to "liberating Iraq" does so little about such a tragic natural disaster that killed more people than any other event in recent memories. Americans, please do something to make your country proud.
Jason Wu, Madison, Wisconsin

549 Thom  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 8:55:07am

Late to the thread (duh!) but I'd like to say that I am so fucking glad I haven't given a dime to these people. (Except for what was extorted from me via taxes of course.)

And why do Getty Images links not work in Opera? I actually had to use IE to see the picture. {blech}

550 grace  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 8:56:48am

Maybe God is really getting sick of humanity and sends those kinds of diseasters to tell us to smarten up. Maybe He has enough of those who behead other human beings while invoking his name. Car bombs, planes flying into buildings, suicide bombers, Christians slaughtered in Sudan, East Timor, Jewish people hated all over the planet. Even He must have had it with us. How many chances can we get? I am not a very religious person (brought up a Catholic) but it all makes me wonder.

551 fiery celt  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 9:10:06am

OMG!

from Drudge:

Indonesia Needs Help, Death Toll Expected To Exceed 400,000
Thu Dec 30 2004 12:52:01 ET

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 (Bernama) -- The death toll in Acheh, the region worst hit by last Sunday's tsunami, may exceed 400,000 as many affected areas could still not be reached for search and rescue operations, Indonesia's Ambassador to Malaysia Drs H. Rusdihardjo said Thursday.

He said the estimate was based on air surveillance by Indonesian authorities who found no signs of life in places like Meulaboh, Pulau Simeulue and Tapak Tuan while several islands off the west coast of Sumatera had "disappeared".

He said the latest death toll of more than 40,000 in Acheh and northern Sumatera did not take into account the figures from the other areas, especially in the west of the region.

"Aerial surveillance found the town of Meulaboh completely destroyed with only one buiding standing. The building, which belonged to the military, happens to be on a hill," he told reporters after receiving RM1 million in aid for Indonesia's Tsunami Disaster Relief Fund here Thursday.

Rusdihardjo said there were about 150,000 residents in Meulaboh, which was located 150km from the epicentre of the earthquake while Pulau Simeuleu had a population of 76,000.

Ambassador Rusdihardjo said a combination of earthquake and tsunami had left 80 to 100 per cent of infrastructure in Acheh province, such as hospitals, health centres, transport and communication networks and homes, destroyed.

"Looking at the scale of destruction, it's difficult to say when the search and rescue operations can be mounted in all affected areas," he said.

He said rescue efforts were hampered by transportation difficulties and lack of fuel.

Rusdihardjo said that at this time international help, especially in the form of medicines, clean water, food and clothing, were desperately needed by Indonesia to aid survivors in Acheh.

"Now we are worried about the outbreak of diseases such as cholera, the work of disposing corpses and the absence of clean water following the contamination of water sources," he said.

It would take years before the situation returned to normal, he said, adding that the Indonesian government was not able to estimate losses caused by the tragedy as yet.

He expressed his gratitude to Malaysia's help although the country itself was hit with 66 lives lost so far and property to the tune of millions of ringgit destroyed.

"We are deeply touched," he said.

Rusdihardjo said Indonesia was also seeking Malaysia's cooperation to mount search and rescue operations from its shores because of the close proximity of the two countries.

-- BERNAMA

Developing...

552 superdawg  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 11:24:50am

#410 Pamela

Sounds like a place I hafta try.

553 Paul  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 1:30:13pm

As the death toll keeps rising and the incompent, corrupt governments in Southeast Asia are unable to provide adequate relief, the victims will start looking for scapegoats. Who will they be?

a) The UN and vacationing Kofi Annan
b) "Stingy" George Bush
c) Zionist earthquake bombs.

554 Davidslott  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:34:53pm

FYI


Third world is full of reject t-shirts sent by clothing manufacturers, worn by people who have little else. Is this one of them? Who knows? But the world surely is filled with tasteless t-shirts, and it has little to do with politics.

555 Thom  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 3:39:31pm

#554 Davidslott

You've got to be kidding! An ObL t-shirt?!

556 Julie  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:20:19pm

Check out: terrorismanswers.org

557 Julie  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 5:29:04pm

Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country on Earth.. My first thought when I heard about the tsunami (after pity for the innocents) was: "Maybe this will disrupt the Muslim terrorist network in Indonesia."
Of course, I forgot that the millions of dollars in aid would soon start going there. This is not to say that we should let the innocent sufferand refuse to help them. However, let's not be stupid. This likely will be Oil-for-food redux. Gazillions will end up in the hands of our enemies...Ironic, isn't it? Muslim killers take donations from kindhearted Americans (mostly Christians and Jews) to kill...Christians and Jews.

558 miguelj  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 9:10:32pm

anyone like to take bets on how long it'll be before we hear some variant on the following: How and why were 1000 Israelis
warned to stay away from the beaches the day BEFORE the tsunami hit?

As to who will say it, that's easy: some Malaysian politician...

559 Asedwich  Thu, Dec 30, 2004 10:17:41pm

But where's Evil Bert? Damn them, they even removed my favorite part of that twisted collage.

But in all seriousness, if they worship the devil, let 'em suffer.


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