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The Loony Left Loses Another Liberal

Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 8:06:03 pm PST

Liberal New Republic writer Tom Frank was assigned to cover a gathering of the International Socialist Organization on the evening of the inauguration, and was so traumatized that he came out of the event as a raving right-wing nutjob.

Well, not quite. But close: Ball Fake.

Last night I was sitting in a low-budget church on G Street in downtown Washington listening to speakers at an International Socialist Organization-sponsored gathering by the name of “Town Hall: Empire and Resistance.”

Needless to say, this wasn’t much fun. I could have thrown a stone as far as my strength allowed and still have been certain of not hitting a crab cake. On the other hand, everyone else seemed to be having a good time. The hundred or so people there frequently applauded and hollered, and, as expected, phrases like “exposing Bush for what he is—a cold-blooded killer” were particular hits. I didn’t even think there was much to report on. After all, who cares what the ideological fringe of the losing side has to say? But the more I heard, the more I became convinced that I had discovered something truly threatening: This band of socialists was the most effective recruiting tool for the Republican Party I’d ever encountered.

To begin with, there were the posters on the wall: MONEY FOR JOBS AND EDUCATION, NOT FOR WAR AND OCCUPATION. Let’s leave aside that the meter is somehow dissatisfying (nine syllables followed by eight—no flow at all). The main point is, if the shallowness of this statement bothers you, to what party do you look for comfort? To the Democrats, many of whom condemn building firehouses in Baghdad and closing firehouses at home? Or do you say to yourself, in that moment, “I don’t much care for Newt Gingrich—nor does anyone else—but I bet he hates that goddamn poster as much as I do”? I know where I was leaning.

Then there was the pooh-poohing of elections—any elections. Former soldier Stan Goff (supposedly of the Delta Force, Rangers, and Special Forces) spoke at length about the evils of capitalism and declared, “We ain’t never resolved nothing through an election.” This drew loud, sustained applause. Nothing to get worked up about, I thought; just a leftist speaker spouting lunacy. But today it seemed particularly bad. It wasn’t just that I was missing what might be lovely canapés (or perhaps spring rolls being brought about on trays with delectable dipping sauce); rather, it was the thought that the speaker was dismissing something that Afghanis of all ages had recently risked their lives to participate in, something Iraq’s insurgents view as so transformative that they are murdering scores of Iraqis to prevent it. No, what I needed to counter this speaker was not a Democrat like me who might argue that elections were, in fact, important. What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

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1 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:10:18pm

I don't know how any sentient being is on the LLL these days...


D. Edgren

2 JoeSchmo  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:10:58pm

Whats the sound of cognitive dissonance?

I love it when the extreme left starts alienating their staunchest establishment supporters.

3 eeevil conservative  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:11:25pm

HILARIOUS!


WOW! Someone sounds like he is getting it!

4 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:11:55pm
But the more I heard, the more I became convinced that I had discovered something truly threatening: This band of socialists was the most effective recruiting tool for the Republican Party I’d ever encountered.

Well Tom, if you'd been reading LGF, you'd have realized that ages ago!

:-)

Liveral?

5 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:12:23pm

Nevermind, he fixed it already...

6 Drew  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:12:24pm

The Democratic Party is dying, and some of them are starting to notice.

7 eeevil conservative  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:13:48pm

I'm not registered and sick of having a hundred different logins and passwords so I didn't get the whole story- but what is here is GREAT!

I odn't agree with Aaanold on much of anything- but I sure love his "Straight Up" style- no pun intended... okay, maybe it was intended.

8 Mightyclaw  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:14:12pm

That's the great thing about conservatism; eventually, everybody gets it. (That's the annoying thing, too; the realization that the passionately-felt emotion of the moment may be gone in time, but the damage done by it will linger on.)

Wasn't it Churchill who said something like, "if you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you are not a conservative when you are old, you have no head"?

9 transient  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:14:57pm

After hitting the hyperlink to pull up the article on TNR, I am reminded of one reason I am reading more and more conservative/republican online journals and fewer liberal/democrat journals. At Weekly Standard and National Review, a lot of content is free, without registration. At TNR you have to register. At Atlantic monthly, you have to pay. HA! They ain't THAT good.

If Dems want to reach a wider audience, they need to come up with a reasonable journal that has rational content easy to access.

10 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:14:59pm

Conservative=

A liberal mugged by reality.

Even my almost college graduate daughter (R.P.I., Troy, NY) will get it someday.

But, Oh My, 'til then, it's like...Who's stinkin' up this place?


D. Edgren

11 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:15:41pm

All right ! (So to speak) Graet catch, Charles ! But really, the author doessn't truly require a Republican to counter these lunatics. I'm sure Zel Miller could lend a hand.

12 ORD neighbor  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:17:57pm

As others (and I) mentioned a long time before at LGF, this is not good in the long run. If we end up with only one sane party, we are going to have problems. I don't think the founding fathers' design included having only one real party. Their design may not work well under such a set of conditions.

13 D.Gray  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:18:36pm

Is this the same guy who wrote "What Wrong with Kansas"?

14 Li'l Mamzer  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:21:30pm

And this is exactly why I may never vote Democrat again.

It's over.

15 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:23:58pm

eeevil conservative -

www.bugmenot.com works like a charm for those pesky registration-only sites . .

16 Kirly  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:24:16pm

#8 Mightyclaw

Wasn't it Churchill who said something like, "if you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart, and if you are not a conservative when you are old, you have no head"?

I'm 99% positive it was Churchill. And I thought it was "If you ar enot a liberal when you are twenty, you have no heart. If you are not conservative when you are 40, you have no head." Same thing.

17 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:24:24pm

Physicians at Our Lady of Perpetual Guilt upgraded New Republic writer Tom Frank's condition from Demi-comatose to Conservative Awareness...

"It had to have been something traumatic to induce such a immediate and radical change in a political viewpoint," said Dr. Peter Rankin-Vonviederschmidt.

18 SoCalJustice  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:27:23pm
But the worst came with the final speaker, a woman by the name of Sherry Wolf, who is supposedly on the "editorial board of International Socialist Review." She talked, and talked, and talked; terms like "architects of the slaughter," "war criminal," and "Noam Chomsky" wafted about the room; and my eyes grew so bleary that I ceased taking notes. But then she brought up the insurgents in Iraq. Sure they were bad, she admitted: "No one cheers the beheading of journalists." But, she continued, they had a "right" to rebel against occupation. Then she read from a speech by the activist Arundhati Roy: "Of course, [the Iraqi resistance] is riddled with opportunism, local rivalry, demagoguery, and criminality. But if we were to only support pristine movements, then no resistance will be worthy of our purity." In sum, Wolf said, the choice boiled down to supporting occupation or resistance, and we had to support resistance.

So there it was. I even forgot about the Constitution Ball for a minute. Apparently, we were to view the people who set off bombs killing over 150 peaceful Shia worshippers in Baghdad and Karbala as "resistance" fighters. And the audience seemed entirely fine with this. These weren't harmless lefties. I didn't want Nancy Pelosi talking sense to them; I wanted John Ashcroft to come busting through the wall with a submachine gun to round everyone up for an immediate trip to Gitmo, with Charles Graner on hand for interrogation.

[...]

Having attended college in New York City, I know what it's like to be confronted with some of the more irritating forms of campus leftism. Yet I never quite understood why, ultimately, such leftism should drive sensible people away from liberalism. But yesterday's display made it a little more understandable: Maybe sometimes you just want to be on the side of whoever is more likely to take a bunker buster to Arundhati Roy.

I wonder if any of these moonbats joined "the resistance" in Adams Morgan after the inauguration.

19 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:28:23pm

#12 Ord

If we end up with only one sane party , we are going to have problems

Yes, we definitely need Two Sane Parties, couldn't agree more...

20 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:29:22pm
What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

I think we all do. :-D

21 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:29:57pm

Funny as shit. It's hilarious to see the Left bare its totalitarian instinct for all to enjoy when they are frustrated at any setback.

Oh, and as to this anti-democratic former "Special Forces, Ranger, Delta Force soldier" Stan Goff: bull-fucking-shit! If he'd ever served in any of these units, he wouldn't be out there bragging about it, much less to a bunch of socialist moonbats. I strongly doubt this piece of excrement ever served in the armed forces in any capacity; if he did, I would imagine that he probably got a bad conduct discharge for pot smoking or something.

In any case, I'd like to hit him in the face with a ball-peen hammer.

22 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:30:22pm

" What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face."


sounds like after all their decades of rebellion, some liberals are finally longing once again for the good ol' straight-up 1940s U.S. Male.

(remember that electric moment in the quietly developing "High Noon," where Marshal Will Kane (Gary Cooper) walks into the Ramirez Saloon to recruit a posse, hears someone laughing that lawman Kane will be dead within the hour, and without so much as a word, strides right up and punches him in the face)

23 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:30:22pm

A quick word of warning
Don't immediately trust the newly converted.

24 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:34:36pm

#8

I outgrew any liberal crap by puberty.

25 TaggartTranscontinental  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:34:57pm

Tom Frank is absolutely right: such events are the greatest tool for Republican recruitment. What do you think converted me to Conservatism (or is it Conservativism?)? I used to think welfare programs and government-run business was all the rage. I mean, it's the government! How can anything possibly go wrong? Then I was assaulted by the social delinquents known as logic and common sense. I went from a liberal's wet dream to a right-wing extremist, and is further evidence for my position that the voting age should be raised to 30. The vast majority of idiots are in their twenties.

26 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:35:39pm

Conservative= a liberal who was mugged.
Libertarian= a conservative who was mugged by the government.

27 MN_but_red  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:37:02pm

I went throught the Churchiliian (is that proper?) conversion between 20 and 22. "If you aren't a socailist when you're 20, you don't have a heart. If you aren't a Capitalist when you're 30, you don't have a brain.". Of course someone is going to have the exact quote by the time I post this, but I'm pretty close.

28 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:38:02pm

Slightly OT, but not totally:

Probably speaking to a distinct minority here, but those of you who haven't seen "High Noon" (c. 1952), you owe it to yourself to buy it from Amazon or eBay, and add it to your permanent collection. This was very possibly the most timeless, lean, and stark Western ever made, and so many of its elements have been copied over the years. A towering film in many respects.

A really interesting exercise (i did it with my AP AMerican History students during the Iraq invasion) is to picture GWB as Marshal Kane, and the townspeople as the "world community." The resulting insights on good, evil, and the idea of collective self-defense are startling and thought-provoking.

29 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:42:06pm

#26 pookleblinky:

Conservative= a liberal who was mugged.
Libertarian= a conservative who was mugged by the government.

That's pretty good. Never heard that one before.

30 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:42:45pm

#28

collective self-defense

I posted this before months ago:

As a corollary to the proposition that all institutions must be subordinated to the law of equal freedom, we cannot choose but admit the right of the citizen to adopt a condition of voluntary outlawry. If every man has freedom to do all that he wills, provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any other man, then he is free to drop connection with the state — to relinquish its protection, and to refuse paying toward its support. It is self-evident that in so behaving he in no way trenches upon the liberty of others; for his position is a passive one; and whilst passive he cannot become an aggressor. It is equally self-evident that he cannot be compelled to continue one of a political corporation, without a breach of the moral law, seeing that citizenship involves payment of taxes; and the taking away of a man's property against his will, is an infringement of his rights. Government being simply an agent employed in common by a number of individuals to secure to them certain advantages, the very nature of the connection implies that it is for each to say whether he will employ such an agent or not. If any one of them determines to ignore this mutual-safety confederation, nothing can be said except that he loses all claim to its good offices, and exposes himself to the danger of maltreatment — a thing he is quite at liberty to do if he likes. He cannot be coerced into political combination without a breach of the law of equal freedom; he can withdraw from it without committing any such breach; and he has therefore a right so to withdraw. Herbert Spencer, The Right to Ignore the State

By Liberty, I understand the Power which every Man has over his own Actions, and his Right to enjoy the Fruit of his Labour, Art, and Industry, as far as by it he hurts not the Society, or any Members of it, by taking from any Member, or by hindering him from enjoying what he himself enjoys. The Fruits of a Man's honest Industry are the just Rewards of it, ascertained to him by natural and eternal Equity, as is his Title to use them in the Manner which he thinks fit: And thus, with the above Limitations, every Man is sole Lord and Arbiter of his own private Actions and Property.--A Character of which no Man living can divest him but by Usurpation, or his own Consent. James Trenchard and Thomas Gordon, Cato's Letter #62

31 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:43:29pm

I'm watching Spiderman2.
It has a very real portrail of the current MSM in the head of the newspaper.
He sets a sinister spin to every story.
Doom & Gloom

32 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:43:38pm
33 wood-butcher  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:44:11pm

#24 Rebtex

I don't think he's suggesting that he has converted. I think what he's saying is that there is a big difference between the extreme left and the average self-described liberal. However, he obviously much prefers conservative extremism to liberal extremism. I can't say I blame him. It's makes way better TV.

34 transient  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:44:30pm

#15 Bayou King
Thanks for that link.

35 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:45:23pm

Wood Butcher
Well...don't trust him anyway.
.
.
.
Let me guess...carpenter?

36 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:45:30pm

#30 Pookleblinky

Okay, go ahead, don't pay taxes. But every time I see you driving your unlicensed car on a road built with some of the taxes I pay, I'm going to pull you over make you pay ME the toll...

37 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:47:02pm

#36 Bubble

Wait till I buy that road and charge you to drive on it!

38 solomonpanting  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:47:36pm

I'll give it a try:

If you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart.

If you're still a socialist when you're 40 you have no head.

39 Andrew B.  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:49:36pm

This is the future of the Democrats. Better yet this IS the party of today tomorrow and forever.

Demos...guess what its over.

40 wood-butcher  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:50:57pm

#34 RebTex

Trust me, I won't!

"carpenter?"

Luthier. Which I suppose is a kind of carpenter. But yes, I do actually butcher wood. You too?

41 Darleen  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:52:04pm
What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

Oh my god...I hope someone has emailed the link to Gov. Schwartzenegger! That is just priceless ... The old Dem party has been hemorraging it's sanest members for a long time, acelerating after 9/11 when they realized the more Leftist elements of the party had dropped the veil and showed their true anti-American side (from Charles to Roger Simon to Dennis Prager to Zell Miller ...)

I actually want a two party system ... the dynamics of two competing parties bouncing ideas off each other leads to great things. But the Democratic party used to be anti-Leftist and "liberal" had little to do with "leftism"

Let the Dem party reform itself into the LOYAL opposition and I'll cheer. Until then, let their ANTI-DEMOCRATIC totalitarian wannabes show clearly what they are and drive the Dem party into further irrelevancy.

42 transient  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:52:21pm

#36 Bubble Girl, pookleblinky

But every time I see you driving your unlicensed car on a road built with some of the taxes I pay, I'm going to pull you over make you pay ME the toll

It goes beyond that. If you want to withdrawal entirely from the state, you then have no right to even DRIVE on the road constructed with taxpayer dollars, nor do you have a right to the protection of the police, fire company, or military.

43 JoeSchmo  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:53:31pm

#15 Bayou King

Thanks man, although I can't get the FF extension to work, I got to read the rest of this awesome piece.

44 lykeios  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:53:51pm
Maybe sometimes you just want to be on the side of whoever is more likely to take a bunker buster to Arundhati Roy.

Damn straight. All in all, this is an excellent piece. I'm glad to see that the left has people who have some reason.

45 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:55:25pm
46 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:56:00pm

Wood Butcher
Me?
NEVER!
I hit the wrong nail most every time I swing a hammer!

47 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:58:10pm

Why is it so easy to envision John Forbes Kerry as a French fop...

In 1624 Louis XIII went prematurely bald. He disguised this with a wig and started a fashion which became almost universal for European upper & middle class men by the beginning of the 18th Century during his similarly follicley challenged son's reign.
Wigs were made of horsehair, yak hair and human hair, the latter being the most expensive.
Wigs were very expensive. A man could outfit himself with a hat, coat, breeches, shirt, hose, and shoes for about what a wig would cost him. A wig also required constant care from a hairdresser for cleaning, curling, and powdering.
48 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:59:10pm

#12 ORD neighbor

Everything is going to be okay. The right will split and split again. There will be no single dominant idealogy, its structurally unhuman. And saying that, I say this, fuck the left, death to their anti human mental illness.

49 cleve  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 6:59:26pm

#8

I outgrew my radicalism at 21.

50 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:00:19pm

#45 Pookleblinkey

LOL Who'll stop the snow...

51 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:00:26pm

#42

Good point. The government should not build roads, bridges, damns, farms, or other public works. Tax dollars should only go toward the executive branch, legislative branch, and judicial branch.

There is no "free rider" problem when it comes to protecting rights. If a cop protects a woman from being raped, only a liberal could look at it as if she is "stealing from everyone else."

52 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:01:11pm
53 RayH  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:01:13pm

The truth of the left is emerging slowly, the longer the republicans are in power the more we will learn about these democrat/communists. And their enablers in the MSM. What happened in Jersey is showing how the MSM is n lockstep with those who hate Amrica. With the net, they can't hide it now.

54 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:01:25pm

Michael Moore did it for me.

I mean I may have been a hippie, a member of the Save the Family Farm Coalition. I may have done community work in rural outreach programs and voted Democrat but that does not mean that I want some big, rich white guy telling me that a psycho like Zman is no different from our own Minutemen.

It is like a tipping point or something...it gets to a place where you think, this is nuts and I want no part of it.

Those folks are the Deaniacs and the Dems need to banish them to the furthest reaches of oblivion.

Harry Truman must be spinning in his grave.

55 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:03:15pm

Pookleblinky

Too late, I already own the Road... You owe me 200.00 every time you pass GO, or every 5 miles... Monopoly Visa or Monopoly Cash accepted... No COD's

56 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:03:23pm

#52 Rayra

Read Mark Twain' speech "The Death of the Democratic Party," from about 1875 or so.

57 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:03:36pm

interesting interplay on pookleblinky's idea of the "lone ranger" libertarian . . .

while my heart sides with PB, my tired realism sides w/ transient & bubblegirl.

in the old west, PB's idea was much more feasible;
however, it has gotten much harder to live off the land in the style to which we are accustomed, without relying in some degree on society

the accreted generations have forged an endless web of interconnections that make it hard to live without partaking of the public communal enterprise...

hiyo, silver!

58 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:04:45pm

#55 Bubble

I'd prefer an EZpass system, but whatever currency you accept is fine with me. As long as I don't have to try to spend it myself.

59 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:05:04pm

#53 Terrye

So you're not entirely sure, if you were?

I mean I may have been a hippie, a member of the Save the Family Farm Coalition.
60 Truth Junkie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:05:32pm

#21 Gunslingah

It's hilarious to see the Left bare its totalitarian instinct for all to enjoy when they are frustrated at any setback.

You have ABSOLUTELY Nailed it! Totalitarism is where the Left's policies eventually lead because of their ignorance of the basic nature of man (the Founders viewed man as corruptible and needing checks and balances on his power).

Speaking of Lefist Totalitarianism:

I frustrated the heck out of a LLL coworker by showing her some of the more cold-blooded-murderous quotes by Che Guevera in response to her telling me I should go see "The Motorcycle Diaries." I read the spoiler and told her, "I just can't square these quotes with someone who would swim across a river to visit Lepers, did he change later, or was the compassion a ruse?"

She never brought 'ol Che up again.

61 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:05:54pm

Bubble Girl
It's twilight time here!
!Ojala que hallar el camino del Ora!

62 Ward Cleaver  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:05:58pm
What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

Damn.

Talk about having a bucket of cold water being thrown on you, to wake you up.

As for this "Stan Goff", I seriously wonder if he's a real vet, or at least whether he was in Delta Force, the Rangers, or any SF group. I have a copy of "Jug" Burkett's book, Stolen Valor. This guy reminds me of all the phonies in Burkett's book.

63 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:07:10pm

#21 gunslingah

That dude did serve. In that aspect he is real.

64 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:08:01pm

#57 Bayou

Remember this: if government interference didn't work for Colbert, in 18th century France, or for Hammurabi in Babylonian times, or for the Roman Empire, it will definitely not work in an industrial or post-industrial society. And the history of the 20th century proves this.

Also, the railroads, the first "web of intercommunication," were about 90% private. The first roads were private too. You make it sound like people would not willingly make roads between them and where they wish to go.

65 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:08:12pm
66 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:08:48pm

Bayou King

Hi yo Hoover! You Western Romanticist, you... I live in the West, lockjaw, bubonic plague, snakebite, frostbite, or bear attacking you, yep, those were the days... No antibiotics, just cut your arm off if you get an infected finger... No pain killers either, bite down on a stick, drink 100 proof, if you can get it.

67 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:13:20pm

Bubble girl:

All right all right.. I was a hippie, there I said it. Satisfied?

68 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:14:12pm

Rebtex

El Guapo, Ora? No comprende...

69 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:14:52pm

Bubble Girl
May you find your path of gold

70 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:15:03pm

# 59 Bubble Girl

Ooh, man - like, too much acid, I guess. Bummer.

71 eeevil conservative  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:15:33pm

#15 Bayou_King

LOL! THANKS!

Soory all -- gotta go nighty nite!1

72 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:15:39pm

Terrye

Wow, you cracked fast... LOL Ain't no shame in being a hippy...

73 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:16:12pm

Bayou

Also remember that society can benefit people voluntarily, in which case everyone wins, or involuntarily, in which case some people win at the expense of others.

"Society" doesn't have to involve people holding guns at each other or by proxy of the government. You make it sound like people must be coerced to go buy groceries, drive cars, or watch movies.

Not one person on earth knows how to make a pencil.

74 Sihlus  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:17:25pm

wood-butcher

Luthier. Which I suppose is a kind of carpenter. But yes, I do actually butcher wood. You too?

What part of the country are you located in? I need someone to recondition an old Czech bass viol.

75 bbcrackmonkey  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:18:56pm

I used to be a volatile anti-christian atheist who would go into chatrooms and purposely goad Christians into arguments. I also campaigned for Al Gore and would constantly argue with my classmates about him and how Bush stole the election (even though Gore told everyone that he lost and to get behind the real pres).

It wasn't until about a few months before 9/11 that I started seriously studying Islam. I started realizing that there was a religion out there that actually presently embodied all the evil things that I had been projecting onto Christianity. I began to read a lot of The New Republic (before it became a liberal crapmag) and I started studying the Middle-East a lot more. Then 9/11 came and I saw how a lot of my old comrades in arms had either changed to be more Republicanish or thought the terrorists attacks were 'cool'. I never really understood how people could side with a bunch of uneducated religious zealots who want them killed.

These people aren't revolutionaries, they're morons. They have no purpose in life and so they sit around waiting for 'the revolution' to come so they have something to do with their dreary and dull lives. Inevitably they're completely boring and dronish people who have had extremely easy lives.

76 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:19:26pm

pooklebinky:

Be careful what you wish for. The railroad owners would routinely refuse to ship grain for farmers, they called it leverage but in truth farmers went broke and the railroads bought up the land.

The result were the Teamsters to ship grain. Men to drive the teams and a man to ride shotgun. The Pinkertons went after them and it got ugly, but the Teamsters Union was born.

Laissez faire economics is just as dead as communism.

77 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:19:55pm

Rebtex

El Gaupo, Salud, dinero y amor y tiempo para gozarlos!

78 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:20:52pm

"What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face."

How many men--and probably many women--on this board can honestly say they have not desired to take a tire iron to some of these depraved socialist/fascist shitbags?

I know I have. Thought about it, that is.

79 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:21:17pm

#76

Ah, but you forget that those railroads which did do this, received government subsidies and exclusive charters. The railroads which received government privileges, were able to do this without worrying about the effects of pissing people off.

Read about it sometime, it'll cure you of your ills.

80 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:22:21pm

How many Chinamen died building those private railroads?

81 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:22:43pm

#66 Bubble Girl  1/23/2005 09:08PM PST
 
Bayou King

Hi yo Hoover! You Western Romanticist, you... I live in the West, lockjaw, bubonic plague, snakebite, frostbite, or bear attacking you, yep, those were the days... No antibiotics, just cut your arm off if you get an infected finger... No pain killers either, bite down on a stick, drink 100 proof, if you can get it.
---

yes, am aware - gotta take the bad with the good.

on the good side, there are still a few places out west where one can see the stars!

on the bad:

my great-great-grandpa's brother was a cowboy out west near willcox, arizona in 1900 . . . one night while sleeping on the range was bitten on the little finger by a skunk, and they all had a good laugh...

the laughing stopped 4 months later when he came down with rabies and died stark, raving mad, tied to a tree.

82 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:23:16pm

Bubble Girl:

Of course I cracked fast. It was all that sex and drugs and rock n roll.. I have no more backbone than an earthworm.

At least I always bathed which is more than I can say for some of them. That kinda complicated the sex part of the drugs sex and rock n roll lifestyle. As you can well imagine.

83 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:24:22pm

#78 ProBush Canuck

Can't say I've thought about a "tire iron" maybe a gentle slap with my glove and an invitation to Duel at Dawn... I have my second already secured...

84 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:26:18pm

Terrye

LOL - So you were just "passing" as a hippie... I have some real honest to goodness Berkeley 1960's hippy friends... Daddy still supports them...

85 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:26:35pm

Tire iron? mmm...
Actually, In my mind I imagine myself whipping out a cattle shocker...or just kicking them in the nuts real hard :)

86 ördög Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:26:58pm

I am not sure that someone already did not post this...

Apparently a hilarious (black) british commercial for Volkswagen...

87 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:26:59pm

Bubble Girl
Perhaps the kind of duel challenge as in Robin Hood-Men in Tights!
Carl Elwes slaps the other guy with his glove of armor!

88 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:27:41pm

pookleblinky,

just sayin ' (you were responding to the idea of collective self-defense) that in the general scheme of things, what comes around goes around, and we all, unless we really choose to live alone without connections, usually end up watching each other's back in some way...

this is the macro view, which is more my strength. i know you could argue me under the table in the micro scheme, as i am not a good details person...

good food for thought, though!

89 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:27:43pm

The Sherman Antitrust Act was the product of government interference. In the decades after the Civil War, the federal government granted railroad companies subsidies , enacted restrictive legislation forcibly preventing competition within regions, and granted the boards of trust of the railroad companies political power.

Railroad companies, protected from competition by the force of law, were viewed by the population to be immune to market forces. Would-be competitors were forcibly prevented from running tracks through protected regions; the population saw that a railroad company could increase prices indefinitely. Would-be competitors foundered while protected companies received subsidies; the population saw inefficient railroad companies grow and increase prices. The practices of these government-induced monopolies were assumed to be the product of capitalism, rather than government interference.

The farmers were the most vocal group protesting these privileges. They did not protest them on the grounds of laissez faire, however. Southeastern farmers, for instance, faced with competition from jute fabrics, sought political leverage in the legislatures against the transportation of cotton

Each group affected by these government-granted privileges sought to shift the favor of government toward their interests; each group received its own government-granted privileges against the others. Soon, any business practice became grounds for suspicion, as long as it was performed by a competitor.

Although overall farm prices gradually decreased following the war, albeit at a slower pace than the national average, farmers incorporated claims of inflation into their arguments for political restitution. Farmers began forming special interest groups, such as the “National Anti-Monopoly Cheap Freight Railway League,” replete with economic arguments condemning the government-privileged railway companies, as well as the manufacturers of competing goods themselves.

These special interest groups, backed by both large Grange associations and popular economic theories emphasizing the role of agriculture and denigrating laissez faire, pushed the Interstate Commerce Act through congress in 1887. The Commerce Act declared price discrimination illegal , yet, predictably, did not abolish the government practices which allowed this to occur by force. This Act only made illegal the non-coercive adjustment of prices for regional differences.

Both political parties recognized the political advantages of appealing to special interest groups, and both had by 1890 publicly adopted antimonopoly positions.

Despite the fact that the two of the most vociferously attacked industries, sugar and steel manufacturing, saw prices decreasing by close to 50 percent between 1865 and 1890, while outputs increased 75 and 258 percent, respectively, and despite recognition of this trend by supporters such as Representative William Mason; antimonopoly positions gained in popularity and received the support of Senator John Sherman.

Senator Sherman opposed government-granted monopolies as a protectionist, not a free-trader. He believed that certain government-granted privileges “subverted the tariff system; they undermined the policy of government to protect...American industries by levying duties on imported goods.” He consistently supported an expansive protectionist agenda, proposing a “Campaign Contributor’s Tariff Bill,” only months before his famous Antitrust proposal.

90 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:29:26pm

pinkleboot:

I did it read about it. Page Smith.

They were able to do it because they owned the railroads and the government said it was not its job to interfere.

My point is that a great many of the problems of that fed the growing radicalism that lead to socialism and populism could have been avoided not with subsidies but with a few laws and regulations.

91 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:29:41pm

THis OT, but:

I always imagine typical LGFers in their 40s or 50s for some reason. At my 22 years of age, I feel like such an inexperienced infant, lol (not saying that anyone is old, I am talking about life experiences!) Are there any other 2o somethins?

92 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:30:03pm

I was a hippy on 09-10-01, and for the 25+ years before that.

93 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:30:55pm

be back soon -

headin' on down to the twist an' shout for a quick nightcap before they close!

94 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:32:11pm

As Rayra said, this is not the first American political party to wither away. (Haven't heard much about the Whigs lately, have you?)

I agree that we need more than one viable party in this country. But it's the Dems responsibility to clean up their own act. Outside of Lieberman and Miller, I don't see anyone on that side of the aisle who has the cojones to call the whack-jobs on their self-destructive looniness. I think it will take a few more election disasters (disasters for them, that is) and an even greater shift in demographics before they begin to wake up.

In the meantime: "The dog is dead, but the tail still wags."

BTW: I've discovered the difference between a run-of-the-mill Dem and a true raving moonbat: Your average Joe or Jane Dem thinks the MSM is objective and fair; your average raving LLL thinks the MSM leans right. Just turn on NPR on any given morning and listen to the moonbats whine about "the corporate right-wing media."

95 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:32:14pm

Trigger Girly
I told my wife that when she reached 40,I'd trade her in for two 20's.
She said that I wasn't wired for 220!
She's reached 40, & I've forgotten all about trading!

96 Protagonist  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:32:32pm

#30 Pookleblinky

Two thoughts for Herbert Spencer:

First of all, nothing is self-evident, except for being kicked in the balls.

Second, his proposition would work only if construed very narrowly. Forget driving on the roads. Standing and breathing within the geographical domain of the state, by itself, is drawing on the benefits of that state. You haven't been murdered by roving barbarians or criminal, and you were birthed into existance by people who enjoyed the same privilege. Spencer's axiom would apply only to those who left the country completely (which, in most cases, it does!).

There is a principle in contract law that a party who accepts the benefits of a bargain-for agreement is estopped--i.e. gagged--from claiming that a contract was never formed. By implicitly accepting the benefits of citizenship, we have no right to complain of the legal duites that citizenship imposes upon us.

97 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:32:34pm

Bayou King

That is really awful. Poor guy. Ranch hand is hard work, sometimes deadly, still, even now, today. My great grandfather was a vaquero in South Texas. And yes, we can see the stars, the Milky Way is quite spectacular in the summer, but the best meteor shower I ever saw was in Texas a few years back. Incredible. I've seen quite a few meteor showers, one in the Outback of AU, but the one in Texas, we still talk about...

98 RebTex  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:33:46pm

Good Night all!

99 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:33:50pm
100 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:34:43pm

#63 justdanny

That dude did serve. In that aspect he is real.

Did serve where? How? In what capacity? In all my life and professional career, I've never met a single veteran of elite special operations units who would get up in front of a group of moonbat assholes and cast aspersions on the very idea of the democratic process. Again, I would like to know exactly what this shit-stain did in the military, and when, if anything.

And, regardless, I'd still like to hit him with a hammer. Right in the forehead. Hard.

101 Megan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:35:30pm
This band of socialists was the most effective recruiting tool for the Republican Party I’d ever encountered.

More of Karl Rove's secret agents. Excellent!/Mr. Burns

102 Terrye  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:38:43pm

Rayra:

You sound like my kind of guy.

103 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:39:03pm
104 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:39:34pm

OT
Over at Science Blog they have posted a story which speaks of events foretelling an earthquake:

"Some massive earthquakes like the one that generated the recent tsunami in South Asia are preceded by slight sinking along nearby coastlines two to five years before the rupture, according to a new study by scientists from Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia, the University of California, Berkeley, and the Alaska Division of Geological and Geophysical Surveys. If coastal subsidence is common before subduction zone quakes, areas such as those ringing the Pacific Rim could be on the lookout for subsidence as a warning of possible future megathrust quakes like the Dec. 26 9.0 Sumatra-Andaman Islands earthquake, the researchers say. "


I wonder if anyone has told this to the people of Tuvalu, whose tiny government is the world leader in championing Global Warming as a threat to their existance? There is also this:

"Well, rather than rely on Brown's "sense" of sea level rise, let's check the instruments. As it turns out, estimates of globally averaged sea level rise in the 20th century are irrelevant since Tuvalu's local sea level change is very different from the globally averaged change."

Which is here.

All of which points to the fact that everything might not be quite as we are led to believe. Two possible reasons, with a hell of a lot more science, that explain why Tuvalu is losing coast line. The second link is particularly damning. Basically the Tuvaluians are mining the center of their limited landscape for sand. Ever built a Sand Castle?

QM


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To..Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders.
George Orwell

105 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:40:05pm

#96

Read Bastiat's Economic Sophisms. The benefits I receive from air belong to no man, and cannot unless I pay him to provide me with it.

I am standing and breathing right now on the property of Canisius College. People own property, the state's function is to protect their property, including their most valuable property: themselves.

I fully enjoy that I am drawing the benefits of the government protecting me and my loved ones from rape, robbery, murder, and fraud. That is its just purpose. Beyond that, the government only offers me benefits at the expense of others, and I cannot without contradiction accept them. The privilege of being protected by the state is derived from my right to live and to defend myself, and the same rights of every person who wishes to delegate that right of defense to specialists so they don't have to spend all their time and money on guns and karate lessons.

As I said above, I don't see a cop protecting someone as "stealing my tax dollars." There is no "free rider" problem when it comes to the police and military protecting you and your loved ones, or total strangers.

106 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:40:27pm

#100 gunslingah

Google him and read his bio, it lays out his service career clearly, and its all true.

And I'm with you 100%, it would give me great pleasure to put a serious hurtin on him.

I've been down the road of varifying his service record before. Its all true.

107 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:40:38pm

#86 Johnson:

Jesus H. Christ, that's funny! LOL

108 jrpascucci  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:44:27pm

From my MassRight post.

I think the only way the Democratic party ever comes out in a majority again is if it willfully loses it's marxists and neomarxists: those economic determinist, athiest materialist nondualist, moral relative, power-dialectical, deconstructionist, self-entitled sons of bitches have ruined what should really be one of the 'other pillar' of American democracies.

Don't you find it telling that, even in the most liberal countries (France, Canada, UK, Germany), there are various Trotskyite Socialist parties, but not in America? Why is that? Answer: they already have successfully infiltrated and ensconced themselves into one, it's called the Democratic Party.

Socialist movements have no problem using 'front groups' to give themselves a veneer of credibility.

When one looks at it, it's not really 'progressive' that are specifically destructive to or really inherently hate America. They are just the credible cover under which others cover themselves.

Marxists have done great damage to every institution they have managed to penetrate: in addition to organized labor (you _can_ have organized labor apart from fundamental marxism - we just rarely do - even the teamsters) and the Democratic party, academia is an entire wasteland, due to the influences of marxist materialism. All anti-war organizations are partially or fully funded by marxists. Hollywood has always had a problem here. Lawyers (remember Ramsey Clark and his protoge', Stewart?). The Catholic Church has been subverted in many cases by marxist ideology (liberation theology), and moral relativism - I'm sure this goes to other religious institutions as well. I could go on, but the poisonous nihilism that Marxism ends up engendering corrupts any organization which does not take pains to _purge the philosophical underpinnings_ of Marxism from it's core principals.

109 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:45:05pm

#103, Bubble

The western states had the highest proportion of government-privileged railroads. The most famous incidents of exploitation occurred on these railroads. by the very ones which were not private. Your question shatters your own argument in one blow.

110 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:45:34pm

60 Truth Junkie

Totalitarism is where the Left's policies eventually lead because of their ignorance of the basic nature of man (the Founders viewed man as corruptible and needing checks and balances on his power).

Right, and that insight into the basic nature of man was derived from religious thought, e.g., original sin. The extreme Left's utter intolerance of religion seduces them into believing that man can be perfected, if only certain state programs (socialist) were implemented.

111 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:46:28pm

#106 justdanny:

I'm going to go Google him. Mind you, just because someone claims something on the internet doesn't make it true. As Ward Cleaver (#62) pointed out, a large number of "Vietnam vets" have, over the years, told heartbreaking, compelling stories about their tragic experiences... only to be exposed as total frauds.

As for Goff, even if he's for real--he still needs that freakin' hammer blow between the eyes.

Off to Google.

112 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:49:04pm
113 rumcrook  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:49:19pm
What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

yeah! ...I'll do it!

114 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:52:06pm

Pro-Bush Canuck:

How many men--and probably many women--on this board can honestly say they have not desired to take a tire iron to some of these depraved socialist/fascist shitbags?

LOL! Frequently! I have nothing against gun ownership, but if I owned a gun I would have shot both my TV and my radio sometime during the 2004 campaign! (Well, I probably would have shot my computer too,...)

Rayra on Libertarians:

As a Party and as a Platform, they are as much a Dead End gang as the bunch of friggin' loons that are the subject of this Topic.

Hear, hear. Libertarians always struck me as another form of Utopianism, albeit on the opposite end of the scale from socialism/communism.

Arguing about whether roads should be privately or publicly owned is like debating what I should do with the $250 million I'm sure to win from the lottery. Forget the friggin' roads and let's focus on, say, the power of the teachers' unions and tort reform - issues that are actually relevant.

115 Dr.z3n  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:53:47pm

#33 wood-butcher 1/23/2005 08:44PM PST
I think what he's saying is that there is a big difference between the extreme left and the average self-described liberal. However, he obviously much prefers conservative extremism to liberal extremism. I can't say I blame him. It's makes way better TV.

You're right, but the thing is: Once you strip away all the rhetoric of that extreme wing like he will once they're discredited in his own mind, we're most all liberals--to varying degrees.

Normal people (including conservatives) aren't racist. Nobody wants to starve children. Nobody wants to destroy the environment. If he questions them, he'll question their rhetoric, and perhaps he'll come to see that "conservatives" are much closer to his own belief-system then those poseurs.

We all believe in freedom--human liberty. That is a truth which is stronger than rhetoric, and what we are seeing are those fallacies torn away as he is able to compare his own knowns with what they are saying and summize that it's hokum.

#21 gunslingah 1/23/2005 08:29PM PST
I strongly doubt this piece of excrement ever served in the armed forces in any capacity; if he did, I would imagine that he probably got a bad conduct discharge for pot smoking or something.

/hides bong

116 wanumba  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:53:49pm

Liberals can often do an outstanding job of skewering themselves. Then, weirldly, after nailing it on the head, they vote Democratic because they can't get over the Republican stereotypes they made up.

Still he (that is not counting the author as a new GOP voter, yet), made a very good point:
Watching Arnold, Giuliani, etc at the Repub convention, not to mention Bush himself, made me think that the action is with the Republicans - the vibrancy, innovation, everything is on the Republican side. The future. The speakers were go-go, upbeat, strong.
Think pro-life, for the unborn, the sick and the aged. LIFE!

In contrast, the Democrats were lifeless, empty shells.
Dealers in death, they are dying:
Abortion, rationed medical care, assisted suicide. DEATH! Depressed, discouraged, weak.

117 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:54:10pm

#114

Freedom is not perfect. It is only infinitely better than every single other alternative that has ever been proposed in the history of humanity at keeping humans alive and happy.

118 yochanan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 7:55:46pm

trigger girlie my sons are your age lol

119 Dr.z3n  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:01:37pm

#75 bbcrackmonkey 1/23/2005 09:18PM PST

These people aren't revolutionaries, they're morons. They have no purpose in life and so they sit around waiting for 'the revolution' to come so they have something to do with their dreary and dull lives. Inevitably they're completely boring and dronish people who have had extremely easy lives.

Hey BBCM (from fark).

Isn't it [ironic] that those wankers would be the least likely to make it in a revolution? NOBODY'S GOING TO TRADE FOOD OR AMMO FOR YOUR STUPID POEM, JACKASS.

120 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:09:41pm

I feel like an infant! lol

121 Dr.z3n  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:10:39pm

#116 wanumba 1/23/2005 09:53PM PST
The future. The speakers were go-go, upbeat, strong.
Think pro-life, for the unborn, the sick and the aged. LIFE!

You're onto my whole philosophy. There is a "life" force and an "other" force. It's not even "death"--it's not that defined. Nhilism, post-modern-moral equivalency gobbaly gook. Look at France: They're awash in it. Islam? Don't get me started. Notice how when Islam first gets a grip on a system or a nation (as in Great Britian, now). It's a perfect model for what a disease does to a healthy body. From a "philosophy of demographics" standpoint, it's an awesome thing to behold.

But the life thing--That's why I respect *most* religions, their adherants and their adherants' faith--because the worst you can say about it is that it's been a positive force on the "life" side throughout history (taking all into account). This includes some--few--Muslim(s).

I actually think the Bible was saying much more in the verse: "Choose life that ye may live."

/agnostic humanist

122 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:11:03pm

#111 gunslingah

I'm going to go Google him. Mind you, just because someone claims something on the internet doesn't make it true.

I agree completely. I did'nt get verification from the internet. I said you can google to find out what he states is his service record, and that what he says about his service record is true.

As for certain types of service members not going to the other side, and not becoming anti freedom, anti liberty, anti good sense. *It happens a lot. Our military draws from the citizenry. Though certain types of people may be less likely to join and do well in the military, it happens. There are a considrable number of complete idiots in the military, as in any other group on earth.

(*any is too much, so to me one is a lot)

123 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:11:33pm

I am 20.

124 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:12:34pm

#106 justdanny:

Okay, I've been skimming through the Google entries for "Stan Goff", and I haven't seen a damn thing that convinced me. Mostly just a bunch of articles by "Stan Goff" bragging on himself, coupled with a handful of pages by other socialist moonbats talking up "Stan Goff" based on his own self-reported accomplishments.

If you have any hard sources that would corroborate this POS traitor's account, I would love to see them. Regardless, I would still like to hit him in the head with a hammer.

125 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:14:05pm

#109 Pookleplinkey

Your question shatters your own argument in one blow.

I know, it's something I'm very, very good at... LOL

126 Steve  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:14:14pm

I am sorry to go OT but this is funny.
The latest VW ad.

[Link: ad-rag.com.nyud.net:8090...]

127 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:14:41pm

OT, and no surprise at all,

From Jihad Watch: "The heads of the family has been separated from their bodies (they have been beheaded) at their home at Jersey"

The bastards are freely admitting what they did and praising the Moon God for their success. Will the MSM finally admit their obvious?

128 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:17:05pm

Pookleblinky, yay! Finally a lizard who is not a dinosaur! (It was a pun, lol) :)

129 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:18:58pm

Abu Maven

Basic insight into the nature of man... the Left has to have it explained to them, by someone, or several people who have written a book... Experience, the most practical way to learn something, is eschewed in favor of a "book".

130 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:20:50pm

Trigger girlie and Pookie

You guys will have to sit at the "little people's table" with all the other kids... :)

131 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:20:59pm

Someone needs to get a screenshot of this before it's taked down: (the Arabic bulletin board page frm the above link):

[Link: www.qal3ah.org...]

132 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:21:31pm

PIMF

PIMF

PIMF

133 pookleblinky  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:21:33pm

#129

As Mark Twain said, "If a man tries to carry a cat by the tail, he'll learn things he can't learn any other way."

134 Megan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:21:55pm

Trigger Girlie- I'm 19.

And I'll be making fun of all of you who have to go to work in the cold and snow tomorrow, while I get the day off because my classes were canceled. I guess it is true that someone who isn't socialist by 20 is heartless. ;P

135 psginfinity  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:22:19pm

The most commonly accepted theory regarding the impending DEMise is that the Republican Party will swell to encompass 75+% of the population, hold for one election, two at the most, then split. The new left-leaning party arises from tham split.

As for the LLL, they just fade away, escorted to the door by an Internet that traps the names, stores them in a database, then never lets them live it down.

Or something like that.

I have a highly un-PC question: Are there any specific triggers that would cause a massive crackdown on the LLL? By that, I mean thrown in labor camps and the whole bit. My quandary is that I see individual(s) being busted, would there came a point where wholesale action would actually HAPPEN?

I still think it's wildly improbable, but its a truism that the longer a war drags on, the nastier it gets...

136 quark2  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:24:43pm

@124 gunslingah

If you're ever online here when reaganite is on, have a chat with him. His brother was a Green Beret, and he's a dyed in the wool moonbat. For real.

137 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:25:07pm

Bubble Girl,

Easy, easy... I happen to like books!

And you're not such an old fart -- I thought you said you were 31?

I am 30, Trigger Girlie. Consider yourself ahead of the learning curve. Are you currently in college?

138 justdanny  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:27:00pm

#124 gunslingah

I wish I could send you a link or an email proving what I know, but I can't. This idiot came up before and I felt exactly as you do now, imfuckingpossible he's real.

And by no means should you take my word. I did'nt use the internet to confirm his service record. Thats all I can say.

I'm with you though bro, I would love to see him physically reckon for his mental breakdown. Which in most cases I think would be a miscarriage of justice. But with him having served and garnered the respect that brings, to throw it in the face of goodness and right thinking, it just seems criminal, and worthy of an ass whoopin.

139 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:32:10pm

Abu Maven

I like books too. I like lots of books, of all different shapes and sizes... I also know the difference in trusting in my own life experiences verses someone else's interpretation of the same. Kind of like the MSM, how they think they need to explain what someone just said, especially after a speech...

I also know Freud was a cokehead, Kinsey used pedophiles to get his statistics and AC Clarke is a known pedophile in Sri Lanka... For me, it's not just the book, it is also, who wrote it...

140 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:33:32pm

Abu Maven

How do you think I learned about the Hoochie Coochie women? A book!

141 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:34:59pm

#136 quark2:

Oh, I know. I've spent almost my entire adult life in the military and in federal law enforcement, and, even in those relatively conservative communities, the odd moonbat circles in the pale moonlight. So, it's not to say it can't happen.

My point is, most guys who have in fact served in so-called "elite" military units are rather reluctant to identify themselves, to discuss their experiences, etc., to anyone who is not within their circle. The vast majority of times, when you see a "Stan Goff" type spouting off about his terrible experiences in the "special forces", they turn out to be pathetic impostors who never even served in the military. And, usually, the mainstream media, who are so eager to paint the U.S. and its armed forces in a bad light, never do any real background checking on these so-called "veterans".

So, to my mind, the burden of proof is on "Stan Goff" to prove that he is for real. And.. even if he is... fuck him anyway.

Traitor asshole.

142 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:35:06pm

BG

OK -- tranquila! You sound angry?!

143 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:35:07pm

Bubble girl, LOL
But I wanna siiit at the biiig table! LOL

Abu Maven, I am still in college, unfortunately, but I was a liberal until I was 17. I was never one of those crazy stupid ones, I was just naive and not very smart. Now, I am not claiming that I became much smarter since then, lol, but all my naivete is long gone, thank God.
When I see socialists/hippies/other crap that are my age/younger, I just view them as stupid and confused. When those people are in their 30's, 40's, etc, I see them as stupid, evil, and mentally retarded.

144 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:36:38pm

140 BG

That's right -- didn't you say you were writing a book?

145 yochanan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:36:49pm

in my wayword youth i was a trotskite socialist. What got me away from them is when they wanted me to join the "democrati front for the liberation of palestine" as there jewish member. I told them they could stick there anti-semitism were it would see no light. At which point i decided to be an independent as time went on i moved towards the political center were i stayed for 25 years.. Voting democrat for president except for Reagan twice and republican for state and local office mostly to keep the democrat crooks honest.

All along I became a zionist but mostly in its cultural beliefs and not always its political. Even went to Israel for 3 months thinking we would live there. But this experience tought me I was an America and not an Israeli I still love Israel but as an American.

Things stayed this way until that morning on sept `11. This American woke up that day. I became an American nationalist. I mean if the local paki and indians can be proud of there third world shit holes we who live in the greatest country on gods green earth (thank you M. Medved) better be proud of it. In the 2002 congressional election i voted republican but that had been normal for me. It was not until the democrats moved left under Pelosi and others that i no longer felt i could vote for them. The hatred coming from the left wing of the democrat party made me decide even though i did not always agree with the GOP I felt at home there and have decided to become a republican. Today the republicans seem to have a much bigger tent than the democrats.

146 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:37:41pm

#97 Bubble Girl  1/23/2005 09:32PM PST
 
the best meteor shower I ever saw was in Texas a few years back. Incredible. I've seen quite a few meteor showers, one in the Outback of AU, but the one in Texas, we still talk about...

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OT

ooh, another meteor fan!

before i left L.A. i used to take my city-bound friends up in the mountains to see the Big Kahuna shower that happens like clockwork each Aug. 11.

The ones who actually would agree to come along would start out sceptical, then return home converts (used to have target practice the next morning at the campsite and oh boy did that ever separate out the LLLs).

would the really big meteor shower you saw in texas happen to have been in august or november 2001? there was a HUGE one during one of those 2 months, the best i ever saw . ... so bright that if your back was turned at the moment, the exploding meteors (technically called "bolides" when they explode) would paint your shadow on the ground. . . .

147 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:37:46pm

143 Trigger

As I said, consider yourself ahead of the game. I went through both college and law school being a member of the LLL... Only recently "converted."

148 hipper_than_thou  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:38:12pm
149 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:38:54pm

Abu Maven

Abu, usted tiene razón. , yo soy... Perceptive, usted es...

150 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:39:08pm

Great article!

No, what I needed to counter this speaker was not a Democrat like me who might argue that elections were, in fact, important. What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.

Wow, this is how I became a Republican, too! :)

This band of socialists was the most effective recruiting tool for the Republican Party I’d ever encountered.

Democrats have been pushing a lot of us out of their party and into the welcoming arms of the Republican party instead. :)

The Dems keep saying that Bush LIED to us and that's why we voted for him. They think they just need to speak up more to win us back.

The problem with the Democrats is that we DID hear them in all their lunacy.

Some of us have escaped from the nuthouse now, and it's really nice out here in the fresh air with normal people. :-)

151 gunslingah  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:40:36pm

#138 justdanny:

I'm not trying to argue with you or question your integrity. It's just that I am extremely skeptical when I see these so-called "veterans" trying to sling their sad stories in pursuit of a liberal agenda. I know it happens for real sometimes (Ron Kovic, Oliver Stone, etc.), but most veterans are patriotic and proud of their service, and would kick the crap out of anyone they encountered defaming the idea of democracy.

If you say you've checked out this dude's bona fides, I believe you. And, more than ever, I want to hit that asshole in the face with a hammer.

152 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:41:52pm

149 BG

Yo soy ... que? Dime!

153 rickmoss  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:41:53pm

"It's not easy bein' green -- or left"

Kermit T. Frog

154 ördög Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:42:05pm

I think that Colt is the youngest LGFer, as far as I know, he's 17 (at least he was a while ago).

We dinosaurs may have some tidbits of life experience we can share on occassion. That seems to be the only difference here.

155 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:43:57pm

Bayou King

No, it was a few years before that, but almost like you described! The tails were blue or purple, and left a ghost trail for over a minute. When they exploded at the end, colorful, and like you said, the light would come over you shoulder like someone had shot a camera flash behind you... Big too. Amazingly the astronomers said it would start right at 2AM. And they were right on the money... We have the regular ones in August and December, and then others not so regular. We also were able to see the two Comets in the nineties...

156 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:47:22pm

Abu Maven

You're right, I'm kind of in a pissy mood. Sorry... :) Not you, outside influences...

157 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:49:04pm

RightAsRain

No way, you were in a nuthouse? I was in the Halfway Independent Voter House myself... :)

158 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:50:48pm

Hipperthanthou

I can't get the link to open... What did Kerry's daughter do?

159 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:52:57pm

#145 yochanan

The hatred coming from the left wing of the democrat party made me decide even though i did not always agree with the GOP I felt at home there and have decided to become a republican. Today the republicans seem to have a much bigger tent than the democrats.

Yup, a MUCH bigger tent!

I love it in the GOP. I could never have imagined myself moving over (and sometimes I still have to pinch myself that so much has changed in my political views, except that I always supported Israel.)

I'm very happy to be a Republican now, though.

It's a good fit. Nice tent, nice chairs, nice fresh air, nice place to be.

160 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:54:09pm
161 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:54:54pm

ordog Johnson, I can't believe he is that young! But, we all are the same on LGF : we all have common sense, decency, and heads on our shoulders. It is always wonderful to sit down at the computer lab at NEIU with all those pathetic losers surrounding me, and log in into LGF. Makes my day :)

162 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:55:41pm

Bubble Girl,

Kerry's daughter Alexandra went into a shoe place and started demanding size 10 shoes while folks were busy with other people.

They didn't have her size, so she got pissy about it.

They got pissy right back at her. :)

ALEXANDRA Kerry might not have made the most gracious presidential daughter. She waltzed into the Converse suite at the Motorola lodge and started demanding shoes. "The woman running the suite was helping someone else, but Alexandra didn't care," said our spy. "She just started pointing to all these shoes and saying really loudly, 'A 10! In those, those and those! Didn't you hear me? A 10!' " When the Converse woman told Kerry she didn't have her size, Kerry waggled her finger and sniffed, "I am NOT impressed with what's going on here." The woman sighed, "Well, then, you can leave — I am not impressed with you!"

LOL!

163 scotch  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:57:41pm

Sorry, I'm catching u on the thread but had to jump in...

99 Rayra,

Right on. Damn straight!

164 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:59:25pm

# 108 jrpascucci

those economic determinist, athiest materialist nondualist, moral relative, power-dialectical, deconstructionist, self-entitled sons of bitches

That is the single most vile-sounding epithet I have ever heard hurled ! I have no bloody idea what it's supposed to mean (especially "atheist materialist nondualist" - WTF ?), but I think I'll memorize it to toss at somebody some day.

165 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:59:33pm

RightAsRain

Converse (as in tennis shoes?) Suite at the Motorola Lodge... Sounds like a Nike suite at the Howard's Johnson's Motor Lodge

166 zombie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 8:59:51pm

This article is my story too. I thought I was a liberal -- I guess I was a liberal, under the former definition of the term -- until I saw what my fellow "liberals" started acting like and doing and saying after 9/11. I felt that my liberalism meant to me that America had to stand together to fight a newly emerged fascistic force in this world after 9/11. I thought no other repsonse was possible. Liberalism, after all, is the ancestral enemy of totalitarianism. Like the writer of this story, imagine my shock when, one by one, all of my friends and colleagues inexplicably started to align themselves with the fascists who were trying to destroy us. My watershed moment, my final turning point, came when I attended the "peace" rally in San Francisco in February of 2003. I was drawn to it literally like an automaton -- or a zombie, if you will -- but I did not know why. As I made my way to the rally, I could not have told you what side I was on. I knew something was wrong, and that there was something I needed to see. As an afterthought I had brought my new camera.

The rest, as they say, is history. I came away from that rally a raving anti-idiotarian -- based entirely on what I saw my former fellow "liberals" had metamorphosed into. And I'm sure that there are thousands, if not millions, of people like me (and Charles, if I'm not mistaken) who watched the Left descend not merely into madness, but into evil, right before our very eyes.

Unless the Democrats completely refashion themselves into Truman Democrats or Kennedy Democrats -- in other words, ass-kicking Democrats -- and do it pronto, then they are doomed as a party. It's painful to watch as they instead do the exact opposite, and spiral into a political fugue state from which they may never wake.

167 quark2  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:00:21pm

@154 ördög Johnson

Colt is now 18. Be sure you wish him happy birthday next time you're both online here. :)
You did know he's planning on going to Israel this next summer.

168 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:01:30pm

161 Trigger

What is NEIU? Northeastern Illinois?

169 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:02:41pm

#165 Bubble Girl

Converse (as in tennis shoes?) Suite at the Motorola Lodge... Sounds like a Nike suite at the Howard's Johnson's Motor Lodge

Ah, must be.

I didn't know that Motor Lodge's were becoming big shoe selling outlets. :)

170 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:04:17pm

#169 rightasrain

I didn't know that Motor Lodge's were becoming big shoe selling outlets. :)

Outta the back of unmarked vans...

;^)

171 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:04:28pm

Wow, it seems a number of us on this thread are recent converts. The question I can't figure out is: was the Democractic Party as LLL when we were a part of it? It all seemed very reasonable back then. Did the Dems become LLL or did we simply wake up?

Or a combination of both?

172 yochanan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:04:47pm

trigger girlie one of my sons used to go to NEIU a year ago he was into student gov't and ROTC

173 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:06:05pm
174 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:07:45pm

Zombie

That vile poster said it all, didn't it? Funny how we all remember the moment we faced up to who and what some of moonbat friends were actually saying... Kind of like 9/11, where we were, what we were doing...What they said that made the light bulb go on, that these people have really, really gone off the deep end... Not young people per se, but older ones, who should have known better...

175 scotch  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:08:12pm

114 Miss Donna to Me,

Arguing about whether roads should be privately or publicly owned is like debating what I should do with the $250 million I'm sure to win from the lottery. Forget the friggin' roads and let's focus on, say, the power of the teachers' unions and tort reform - issues that are actually relevant.
Yes!

(Still catchin' up)

176 LotharBot  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:08:35pm

#86 ördög Johnson

That's at least the sixth time it's been posted... but it's damn funny. Looks like #126 Steve is adding to that.

#91 trigger girlie

I'm 24.

#150 rightasrain

"The problem with the Democrats is that we DID hear them in all their lunacy."

That just needs repeated over and over again... the problem with Democrats is that they got their message out too well.

#166 zombie

You should seriously do a writeup of that testimony and see if you can get it on some of the major blogs. The Democratic party leadership needs to hear that, over and over again. It needs to be made clear to them that the moonbats are driving the rest of the party away.

The Republicans have figured out to mostly ignore the stupid wings of the party. The Democrats seem to have embraced theirs. This will lose them as many elections as it takes to make them change or completely destroy them.

177 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:09:04pm

#166 zombie

Like the writer of this story, imagine my shock when, one by one, all of my friends and colleagues inexplicably started to align themselves with the fascists who were trying to destroy us.

Shocking, wasn't it? Same thing happened to me, exactly!

And I'm sure that there are thousands, if not millions, of people like me (and Charles, if I'm not mistaken) who watched the Left descend not merely into madness, but into evil, right before our very eyes.

I felt betrayed, honest to goodness. I was a lifelong Democrat and I thought I knew what that meant.

They abandoned us.

Dems ask now how anyone could possibly vote for Bush. They need to look in the mirror and see what they've become that has driven so many Democrats away. It makes me sick.

178 ördög Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:10:25pm

#167 quark2

Hey! Thanx! I am horrible at remembering birthdates. Probably because I do not care much about mine. Maybe becauuse it is a reminder that I am a lizard past my prime. Actually, not that old. I am only a half a century old at the moment.

Yes, I know he's planning on going to Israel.

179 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:10:39pm

Rayra

This is from someone I know, who was in Sri Lanka producing a film, a very liberal Hollywood person, who was shocked by Clarke's behavior... Person shall remain nameless...have no reason not to believe them...

180 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:10:44pm

#155 Bubble Girl  1/23/2005 10:43PM PST
 
Bayou King

No, it was a few years before that, but almost like you described! The tails were blue or purple, and left a ghost trail for over a minute. When they exploded at the end, colorful, and like you said, the light would come over you shoulder like someone had shot a camera flash behind you... Big too. Amazingly the astronomers said it would start right at 2AM. And they were right on the money... We have the regular ones in August and December, and then others not so regular. We also were able to see the two Comets in the nineties...

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sounds about right... the ghost trails lingering in the sky are a trip.

also, the place i went was so quiet, that after awhile i started hearing these muffled booms ... was wondering what the hell it was, until i realized i was actually hearing the meteors entering the atmosphere! (am blessed/cursed with exceptional hearing).

caught those comets, too. how rad was that?!

i think it was hale-bopp where the chief moonbat, the progenitor of today's species, methinks, had all his cult "family" commit suicide in southern california to join the aliens living in the comet!

oy . . .

since we're giving ages tonight, i'm 37

181 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:11:09pm

I've never voted Democrat, but I am a convert in a way: when I turned 18, the first thing I did was register to vote as a Libertarian, but I would cringe whenever any of the fringe kooks would talk about eliminating all taxes, dissolving the Federal Gov't and other unworkable nonsense. In the early 80's Reagan won me over to the GOP. I always considered myself a "Republitarian" even before Larry Elder called himself that.

182 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:15:00pm

#171 Abu Maven

Wow, it seems a number of us on this thread are recent converts. The question I can't figure out is: was the Democractic Party as LLL when we were a part of it? It all seemed very reasonable back then. Did the Dems become LLL or did we simply wake up?
Or a combination of both?

A combination of both, probably.

I'm sorry now that I voted for Dukakis. :(

I'm sorta stunned that I also voted Clinton-Clinton-Gore. Ugh!

183 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:15:14pm

Abu Maven

I grew up in Moonbat City Number Two, Moonbat One, being San Francisco, Two, Austin, Tx... Grow up with Femi-Nazis when you happen to like men, real men, not foo-foo men... Which we have alot of too...

184 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:15:29pm

NEIU is a Northeastern Illinois University, famous for it's Yassin video they wanted to show. I hate it there, but I guess that's a nowaday reality. Yochanan, really?! Maybe I know him!

185 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:16:28pm
186 quark2  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:17:17pm

@178 ördög Johnson

Umm, I'm among the oldest bloggers here along with NY Nana and realwest. :)

I miss having Colt post here, he was great at debating and sharing info. So very mature for such a young man.

187 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:18:37pm
188 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:19:16pm

Bayou King

you can occasionally hear them, especially the bigger ones, sometimes one will come along and a perfectly clear sky will light up like a lightning strike with a boom afterward... Have you ever been to the Meteor Crater outside of Winslow?

189 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:20:44pm

183 Bubble

How far is Odessa from Austin?

190 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:20:59pm
191 yochanan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:21:01pm

His first name is deneal 6' 210 lb last spring he droped out and joined the national guard now he lives in new york city and is married.

192 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:21:32pm

#174 Bubble Girl

Funny how we all remember the moment we faced up to who and what some of moonbat friends were actually saying... Kind of like 9/11, where we were, what we were doing...What they said that made the light bulb go on, that these people have really, really gone off the deep end... Not young people per se, but older ones, who should have known better...

Where I knew they were going off the deep end permanently was when my friends started talking about how we couldn't possibly get into the caves in Afghanistan.

They went on and on with how we could never defeat people who have caves and that we were going to end up killing 7 million Afghanistanis.

They moved on to describe Ariel Sharon as Hitler, etc.

They were with our enemies lock, stock and barrel.

They kept talking about "THE ROOT CAUSE" of 9/11, which was supposed to explain what WE had done wrong and how we could apologize to our enemies (who are still working on trying to destroy us.)

I knew these guys were gone for good in lala-land at that point...

193 MoonbatBane  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:22:18pm

Wow -- some of the moonbats have gone so far off the deep end that others of the less batty moonbats (LBMs -- I know, that won't catch on, at least for a while, since LBMs currently are so rare) have started to notice. That really is encouraging...

194 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:22:52pm

Abu Maven

374 miles...

195 zombie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:24:03pm

I almost forgot until just now that I also attended an ISO (International Socialist Organization) conference at the Graduate School of Journalism at UC Berkeley a couple months ago. Yes, at the Journalism School. And, as Tom Frank describes, it was so full of moonbattism that my brains started leaking out of my ears. It was so bad, I actually left during the lunch break. I had gone hoping to turn it into a zombie report, but in truth it was so boring, and by then I was so inured to paleo-leftist rantings, that I never bothered putting together my report and putting it online. However, if I hadn't already evolved into the lizardoid form, I'm sure that ISO conference would have converted me much in the same way Tom Frank was converted by the one in NY.

196 Abu Maven  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:25:37pm

194 BG

Are you serious, both in terms of the distance and your specificity?

I had a friend in college who was from Odessa, home of Permian High School (Friday Night Lights). She was always talking about Austin -- I assumed it was the next town over or something.

197 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:25:53pm

 
#188 Bubble Girl  1/23/2005 11:19PM PST

yup, that crater in Winslow is sum kinda big!

stopped by during one of my cross-country drives

that must have been a helluva rock!

didn't see the girl in the flatbed ford, though. . .

did you?

198 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:26:34pm

#185 Rayra

It invited marxism into the tent around ~'69. The 'Classic'-Liberal Democrat Party, died with Robert Kennedy, killed by a "Palistinian". They've spent 30+ yrs completely infiltrating and subverting the 'Loyal Opposition' until it is little more than the raving insane and full-blooded Socialists.

Good description.

I feel now like I should have known as things got so much worse.

I guess 9/11 exposed them at last and it was a shock to some of us.

I have friends who have been conservative all along and they NEVER thought I'd make the switch. They're delighted and all, but they still can't get over how I could move from left to right without looking back.

I love it!

199 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:26:44pm

Rayra

The person I know said it was in back in the early 90's... Sorry, Rayra, feel free to disregard...

200 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:28:05pm

#197 Bayou King

Nope, but then I wasn't sitting on the corner either...

201 rightasrain  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:28:35pm

#195 zombie

Yes, at the Journalism School. And, as Tom Frank describes, it was so full of moonbattism that my brains started leaking out of my ears.

ROTFLMAO! :)

You have a way with words (and images), Zombie! :-)

202 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:29:07pm

Bayou King

Need some wood? LOL

Crater pretty near the Petrified Forest National Park...

203 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:30:26pm

Abu Maven

Texas is big... But maybe she had a fast car...

204 Merovign  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:30:41pm

Not every Libertarian is represented by LewRockwell's relatively recent BDS.

The primary difference between Libertarians and Republicans is that Libertarians don't expect to get everything we want. We can live with that, but we're not going to abandon our principles... or shut up about them... for the sake of convenience.

Our political beliefs spring from the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They're not long or obscure documents. I can't prove to you that that system of government is going to last longer or produce better economic figures than our current, expanded bureaucracy and rent-seeking political system. Just like you can't prove to me that public education or drug criminalization do more good than harm - largely because we don't have both examples to look at.

Yeah, there aren't many of us. If you think that makes us wrong, it's time to hand the reigns over to the Muslims or the Chinese Communists or the Hindus... 'cause they got us all outnumbered.

Oh, and just so you're clear on this, the people that want to abolish the government? That's Anarchists, and I ain't talking about the black-armband rock-throwers (Nihilists), who are just jackasses.

Oh, and you pay for the roads now. You know that, don't you? You just don't have a choice, that's all.

If you can't figure out how private roads could possibly work, consider first what you are doing right now, reading this message. And then consider that the same human beings design, make, pay for and maintain roads, whether public or private.

But, as I said before, I don't expect y'all to give that one up, and I'm okay with that. Just don't expect me to nod dully and say it makes sense.

205 piglet  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:32:32pm

I bet p-Diddy won't like todays boondocks:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

206 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:38:45pm

Merovign

I know I pay for the infrastructure, my tax bill is quite high, which also makes for a funny argument with one moonbat Libertarian I know. There are some in your party...

He feels that since I live outside the city limits then I should be paying more taxes because all of us living outside a town cost the county more money... It doesn't matter or I guess occur to him that our taxes are based on our property's evaluation. So I get to pay 300% more in taxes than him. So perhaps I should have a nicer road... but I don't.

207 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:41:45pm

Bubble Girl  1/23/2005 11:29PM PST
 
Bayou King

Need some wood? LOL

---

Got wood.

Got milk?

208 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:45:53pm

plenty of wood in the Petrified Forest - NOT
that was my next stop after the Winslow Crater

a bitch for termites . . .

209 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:48:04pm
210 trigger girlie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:50:10pm

yochanan, i remember your son! Weird, the world is small :)

211 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:50:14pm

Bayou King

Amazing place... Funny how they have all those signs...Warning: taking pieces of petrified wood is a Federal Offense, we will search your car! Except being the underpaid Park employees they are, they all left at 5... With us still in the Park...

212 Bubble Girl  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:53:01pm

Hopefully the era of Ivory Tower Demagoguery is on it's last legs... Didn't the head of Harvard get into PC trouble the other day, how women just didn't try to excel in Math...

213 foreign devil  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 9:57:32pm

Maybe there's hope yet for the left. If this guy, Tom Frank, had his eyes opened, the rest can't be far behind...can they?

214 Bayou_King  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:08:19pm

well, i'm pretty beat - time to saw some logs...

it's been fun

g'night all!

215 zombie  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:08:40pm

Not really OT:

This is what the left has aligned itself with:

An Internet recording claiming to be from wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi condemned democracy as "the big American lie" on Sunday and said participants in Iraq's January 30 election are enemies of Islam.

The authenticity of the message could not immediately be confirmed by CNN.

"We have declared a bitter war against democracy and all those who seek to enact it," said the speaker in the 35-minute message.

"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion," he said, and that is "against the rule of God."

Never before has the term "islamofascism" been so appropriate. Nothing more need be said, really.

Thanks for winning the argument for us, Zarqi-baby.

216 Julmudgeon  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:11:28pm

#74 Sihlus What part of the country are you located in? I need someone to recondition an old Czech bass viol.

Check out Michael Kline, Violin Maker on google or your favorite search. International award winning violin and cello maker. He also teaches violin/cello making.

217 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:13:07pm

i just saw Red Dawn for the first time, after hearing LLLs ridicule it for years.

I don't know why I'm surprised that it's quite a decent action flick, and not at all "jingoistic." The Leftist reviewers ridicule it as "a bunch of high school kids taking on the USSR--how absurd, how jingoistic!"

Actually, it's a group of high school seniors (mostly) who take to the mountains like the partisans of Europe in WW II. And its ending is grimly realistic.

Bastard Leftists lie about everything. It's so exhausting unravelling it all. It's been just three years since I started re-evaluating my brainwashing (and I'm ornery and difficult to persuade, besides being fairly well-versed in history by the likes of Churchill and Tuchman), but they still managed to convince me of some of their BS.

Bah!

218 foreign devil  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:17:17pm

#215 zombie:

Somewhere in one of Zarqawi's recent speeches (there've been several, apparently) he complains about how his people are dying in the 'thousands'. I don't have a link, sorry, but it was so encouraging that he was complaining about all the fighters his side has lost. Whining, of course, but it gives a clue that they're hurting.

219 Merovign  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:21:13pm

#209 Rayra

If principles are insane, maybe I was wrong about y'all.

I've never been IN the Republican party. I've been voting for your boys because they've been making the right moves. Keep making the right moves, I'll keep voting for ya.

Make the wrong moves, won't matter who I vote for, cause the other side has no right moves, and the Big Issues right now will be fatal if screwed up.

Outside the Big Issue, I'm willing to put up with a lot of statist crap, but I have my limits. Beyond those limits ain't no difference to me if the bureaucrat who signs the papers to "reassign" my property (or me) was appointed by a party that begins with a "D" or an "R."

The real problem is none of y'all know when to say "no." Every time somebody comes up with a new idea, good or bad, it gets funded. Once it gets funded, it's somebody's living, and they can't let go. Ad nauseum.

We missed our chance to put Johnny Carson in charge. :)

220 Megan  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:24:30pm

215 Zombie-
Michael Moore's freedom fighters. Does this mean he thinks democracy is evil? It fits with this article, where the one Socialist/Communist said that they never got anything by elections. No wonder the far Left is so sypathetic, they both want tyranny.

221 Rayra[deleted]  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 10:50:12pm
222 Pamela  Sun, Jan 23, 2005 11:07:39pm

#218 foreign devil

I remember that recording too. If I can find it, I willl post a link about it.

223 Black Bloke  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:22:36am

Since the issue of ages came up, I think Charles should do a poll, just so we can get a range as to who's on here.

Just an idea...

Oh, first post by the way...

224 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:40:44am

# 223 Black Bloke

That's a damned good idea ! Charles ?

Completely OT, but I just did my regular check of Daily Kos and DU (Know thy enemy !), and I find not one solitary work or thread RE the death of Carson. Compassionate and fun-loving lot, eh ?

225 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:43:57am

# 223 Black Bloke

Sorry - didn't read the rest of your post. Congratulations and welcome aboard. Be certain to take the time to at least skim through the book recommendation thread of the other day. Way too many recs to read them all, but worth cherry-picking for things you might have missed.

226 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:44:20am
227 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:53:33am

# 226 ploomie hineni

True, but I was kinda hoping Charles might cobble up some sort of statistical survey-type methodology that would include those (or at least those who respond) who don't want to plaster too much info on the site. Kind of an open-ended survey, with nothing more required than a valid registration. I think it would be really neat. We all have mental images of the individuals and the group we're posting to, and it would be interesting to see just how distorted our fantasies really are. But yeah, throw in weight and height too. 5' 11", 161 pounds most days).

228 narley  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 1:36:03am
“We ain’t never resolved nothing through an election.” This drew loud, sustained applause.

Certainly sounds like an Al-Zarqawi fan to me. ...and there is that eloquent downtown style of speach...

229 Black Bloke  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 1:48:54am

Wow, I'm surprised people are still awake. (or not at work)

Mike C. Wrote:

Sorry - didn't read the rest of your post. Congratulations and welcome aboard. Be certain to take the time to at least skim through the book recommendation thread of the other day. Way too many recs to read them all, but worth cherry-picking for things you might have missed.

Thanks Mike, I've been reading it since Charles posted it. I got up to 300 or so, and then went to bed. I've been reading LGF for probably a year or thereabouts now. Even though I signed up pretty late after Charles put in the registration thing. I've just never felt like commenting (irrational fears), until someone mentioned age.

Hearing that there were people on this blog who were actually my age (21), was very heartening, and gives me hope for the future. Not to mention hope for finding a sane bride:-)

Semi-related to the bride matter, I've heard it said that the majority of posters on LGF are women. True? If so it just raises further questions. Statistical studies show that most of the commentors (not to mention creators) of most blogs are men. If the bulk here are women, I wonder what it is that has attracted them?

Charles has got that musician magnetism I suppose, but still this place is incredible, in every aspect. It's the top of my blogs everyday.

Thanks for reading.

230 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 1:51:34am

OT

Totally foreseeable and yet unbelievable what EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana had to divulge today:

Solana praises Palestinian 'maturity'

EUROPEAN Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana today lauded Palestinian efforts on progress towards a peace deal for the Middle East since the death of former leader Yasser Arafat.
"Palestinians, both citizens and leaders, showed extraordinary maturity in such a difficult period following the death of Yasser Arafat and through to the election (of Mahmoud Abbas)," he said on Catalunya Radio in Madrid.

Mr Solana voiced his hope that it would in due course prove possible for the Palestinian people "to obtain what they desire, which is peace".


[Link: www.news.com.au...]

231 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:09:38am

Charles (et al),

Wildly OT, but I feel it is necessary. This deserves the widest possible distribution from and to all anti-idiotarians. I know it is outside the usual Israel/Palestinian/Islamist tone of this site, but I'm telling you here and now, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and more than one basic approach for the moonbats to attack. Don't win your battles and lose the war, lizardoids !

232 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:09:45am

NYC light snow Tuesday morning and again Wednesday night, followed by a -17C arctic blast Thursday morning. That is 1F. Parts of Suffolk County away from the immediate shoreline could hit -5F.

Maybe another storm next weekend. I'll closely monitor models, and read the expert opinions of the people at AccuWeather.com to keep you informed.

233 thirdfinger  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:10:49am

Stan Goff probably served with John F'n Kerry in Cambodia.

234 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:12:21am

I don't think I needed to mention Westchester County being colder than NYC, did I?

235 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:13:12am
236 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:16:35am

#231 Mike C.,

This says it all:

The group's chief scientific adviser is Dr Rakendra Pachauri, chairman of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.


Oh and the fact that the whole thing came out of the Independent, the sleaziest broadsheet in Britain.
On that note, they weren't even able to get the guys name right. He's called Rajendra and looks like the most wacko leftist university professor you could imagine:
[Link: www.teriin.org...]

237 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:17:46am

A brisk 1 degree this morning at Houston's GWHB Intercontinental.

An even brisker -2 in Conroe, TX.

Looks like a noce warm up, into the mid or even upper 20s Wednesday, before cooler air sets up a boundary near the coast and a disturbance tracking out of Mexico brings rain and cool conditions.


It has been rather dry.

238 JAT  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:19:22am

Can we please get Dean elected to head the DNC? Stories like this would be headliners on a daily basis!

239 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:30:24am

# 229 Black Bloke

Well, some of us are rather time-shifted. I'm 13 hours ahead of EST myself, so it's just after 8 PM here.

If you've been reading for a year or more, you're older on the site than I. Only since Rathergate did I start reading this or any other blog. When I'm working, I normally spend an average of 70 hours a week parked in front of a computer, but the DOES NOT mean I know anything about computers or am up on what is the latest thing. Hell, to this day I have never owned a cell phone, and have to ask my children how to use one whenever I'm forced to do so. And both of my children are older than you.

I have no idea of the sex or ages of other posters, except as and when they make that information public themselves. Nor do I care. As you might guess from my totally non-clever nic, I'm male. I am 54. A grandfather yet - the grandson turned 5 last week. But all of that's irrelevant.

You're searching for a bride ? Jeez, but the very concept sounds so alien to me. Married the first girl I ever dated, and that was over 33 years ago (the marriage: the dating started 39 years ago), so I have absolutely no advice to offer to people who are more normal than I (i.e., everybody). And we've been together so long that it would be totally beyond me to trade her in for anyone else. Even though I have (by accident, not by virtue of my looks, personality or any other factor, I assure you) opportunities to do so. No 20-something, regardless of looks and the fact that she might be able to suck-start a 57 Chevy, could replace somebody whom I can actually talk and relate to. Anyway, good luck with that quest.

240 J.D.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:34:10am
241 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:37:02am

# 235 Iron Fist

Hey guy, haven't heard from you in days ! Howya doing ?

# 236 hm

Ain't it the truth ? Let's all take a vote and determine which scientific facts we want to be true. Just shoot me now.

# 237 Ed

1 degree in Houston ? The locals must be dying in droves. My buddy with the brand-new H-D (attention Iron Fist) must be crying, because this is prime riding season down there. You can't dress properly and ride there during the summer.

# 238 JAT

Amen.

242 Smit  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:39:40am

#231 Mike C. - from that article:

{Catastrophe point} The report says this point will be two degrees centigrade above the average world temperature prevailing in 1750 before the industrial revolution, when human activities - mainly the production of waste gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), which retain the sun's heat in the atmosphere - first started to affect the climate. But it points out that global average temperature has already risen by 0.8 degrees since then, with more rises already in the pipeline - so the world has little more than a single degree of temperature latitude before the crucial point is reached.

Countdown to global catastrophe

Wasn't the globe recovering from a mini ice age in the 1700's?

243 BrunoMitchell  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:43:36am

Doesn't matter, they still won't get it. No matter how many elections Dems lose and former supporters like myself move to "the other side."

It will only start to change when Democrats other than Joe Lieberman stands up and starts making sense. (And stops bashing America.) Yeah, we know we've made some mistakes. But it's time to start offering solutions as opposed to laying blame and making us look foolish to the international community. (Not to mention sending the signal to our troops that the war was a big mistake.)

Of course, then the liberal media has to give it unbiased coverage.

That said, I think Tom Frank is going to be a lone voice of liberal reason for a long time to come.

244 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:45:14am

# 242 Smit

I don't have to think all that far back to when the overwhelming concern of climatologists (at least as reported in the MSM) was the looming ice age and global cooling. Most of these people seem to have limited concepts of the possible range of global climate or the actual causes of change. Just a bunch of politicos, cranking out their agenda. Nothing to see here - move along.

245 Smit  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:47:09am

Syrian president bound for Moscow

Update on the Russian/Syrian love-in.

But a senior Israeli official quoted by the Associated Press on Monday said "the Russians are apparently having second thoughts about the missile sale, mainly because of American pressure".

The US State Department has warned that Russia could face sanctions if any sale of military equipment to Syria goes ahead.

I think that the deal would have already been approved if J.Kerry had just been inaugerated.

At least they'll have to be covert when supplying missiles to Syria.

246 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:50:26am
247 Beagle  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:52:26am

Kyoto is nothing but an effort to transfer wealth from the United States to China and the other exempt countries. Throw in a whole flock of academics who don't get any grant money if they say the sky isn't falling and you get the modern religion of global warming alarmism. Anyone old enough knows this is just another scientific boondoggle.

248 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 2:56:22am

pookleblinky,
There's a reason El Neil Smith does his best examination of the philosophy of "no compromise libertarianism" in the Science Fiction genre. For that matter why Ayn Rand did the same for Objectivism. Science Fiction gives you the ability to alter reality to examine a subject in a way that isn’t possible in Reality.

The case for privatized roads is made by a high tech solution that eliminates the main obstacle of having enough Plows to clear the road…what do you do with all the employees when it is sunny? It’s the pesky Human Element that gets in the way of political theory like No Compromise Libertarianism.

In neither political philosophy is the Social Nature of Man addressed adequately. It is dismissed or ignored by NCLs and derided as being artificial by Objectivists. When either of these two philosophies adequately address the issue of our, to my mind, instinctual desire to be a group I’ll pay closer attention to what they have to say.

QM

249 J.D.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:00:15am

Delivering Democrats a backbone

...The group is offering a "Backbone Award" as a symbol of courage to politicians they think have shown spine. Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont, has got one.

The Backbone Campaign has promised others to senators who led the effort to block the appointments of Secretary of State-nominee Condoleezza Rice and Attorney General-designate Alberto Gonzales. ...


And another Republican endorses Dean for DNC chairman.

As a Republican, I would like to endorse former Gov. Howard Dean as the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
My endorsement has nothing to do with politics or the qualifications of Mr. Dean. Rather, it has to do with an out-of-control media that not only manipulated our electoral process, but, in fact, changed the makeup of the last presidential campaign.
While all political eyes have recently and rightfully focused on CBS News and its blatantly biased reporting against George W. Bush, the media itself has been running from a potentially more damaging story to its reputation — a story that clearly shows that, instead of covering the Democratic primaries last year, the media altered their very outcome, and in the process, made John Kerry the Democratic nominee.
...


Playing 'whack-a-mole'


And OT

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Jan. 24 (UPI) -- The Saudi interior minister has said the world's most wanted terrorist, Osama bin Laden, is an agent of an enemy of the oil-rich kingdom.
Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz said, "Bin Laden is the agent of a certain party, no doubt."...


Saudi Arabia: Bin Laden is an enemy agent

250 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:00:54am

#242 Smit

That's right, there was a mini ice age in the first few decades of the 18th century.
Hmmm, so if us nasty humans only started destroying the environment from 1750 onwards, what exactly caused the mini ice age Dr. Pachauri?

251 Sean II  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:02:36am

#250

Junk science. Sic Michael Crichton on em...

252 scorched earth 138  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:02:47am

"Special Forces, Ranger, Delta Force soldier" Stan Goff
Yep, he did serve in those units, The SF community is quick to point out that even they have their 10% that go flaky, just like any other element of society.

253 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:03:27am

# 246 Iron Fist

Did you actually go out and buy the Springer ? Gedouttahere ! Bastard ! That's what my buddy in Houston just bought (OK, maybe two months back). Me, I'd settle for a Sporster, although the Dyna-Glide Super Sport is my ideal. I DON'T want a motorcycle, I want a Harley. And my pity goes out to those who don't understand the difference. In one contrarian way, I guess I am fortunate. The house I live in (as opposed to the nicer house I own in Oklahoma City, which I haven't seen since 1988) has no garage, and in the mountains of VA, that definitely means no H-D. What are you going to do, leave it out in the snow (3.5" yesterday) ? That little factor has probably saved my life many times over. The biggest thing I ever rode was a Jawa 350 Californian, and that was long ago and far away. And I'm a whopping 162 pounds at 5'11" and have a few (?) years on you, so imagine how well somebody like me would adapt to that Springer. Nonetheless, should the opportunity present itself, I'll buy the damned thing and go out in a blaze of glory. Not to mention, finally get to do the Rolling Thunder ride on Memorial Day, the single largest gathering of bikers on the planet, and The Wall is only 75 miles from my house.

254 Sean II  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:07:07am

Can anybody find any dirt on this Stan Goff? A google search only brings up articles by him or lefty sites championing him. There has to be some critical posting of him out there, he is to radical to be legit.

255 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:08:47am

#244 Mike C.,

Most of these people seem to have limited concepts of the possible range of global climate or the actual causes of change.


Absolutely right. Indeed, the BBC's current take - as evidenced in a few recent alarmist, we're all going to die "documentaries" - is that the world is, in fact, cooling. So that idea has been given a whole new lease of life.

Not much point discussing these things from a scientific point of view until these idiots sort out which it is, i.e. cooling or warming.

As from a political point of view, well, #247 Beagle says it all.

256 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:14:00am
257 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:14:47am

#239 Mike C.,

I normally spend an average of 70 hours a week parked in front of a computer, but the DOES NOT mean I know anything about computers or am up on what is the latest thing.


LOL + Ditto.
In fact its so bad that I still dont know how to produce a superscripted TH on my Mac...

258 AngryDumbo  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:21:53am

No, what I needed to counter this speaker was not a Democrat like me who might argue that elections were, in fact, important. What I needed was a Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.


Frank may be whip smart and quick with a quip, but he sure lacks the courage of his convictions.

259 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:23:08am

Mike C.,

Just remembered this: I think it was you who talked about "The Elegant Universe" on that Saturday night book thread. Its a great book and ahving been reminded of it on LGF, yesterday I decided to watch the DVD by the same name.
Its very very good.

260 Sean II  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:27:53am

#259 hm

I was one who also discussed The Elegent Universe, I rented the DVD from Netflix and agree it was very good, an excellent supplement to the book.

261 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:30:52am

#245 Smit

Syrian president bound for Moscow


Hmmm, thats funny because Victor Yushchenko is also headed for Moscow.
Perhaps Assad wants to personally thank him for pulling Ukrainian troops out of Iraq.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

262 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:31:49am

-29C at Saranac Lake, NY (-21F)

This is cool, at 318 m ASL Mt Washington Regional Airport is -29C

Just a few kilometers away, though at 1910 meters above sea level, the summit of Mt. Washington, NH is only -23C


The valley is colder than the mountain.

263 FabioC.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:35:05am

#256 Iron Fist

I bought a second-hand enduro motorbike, a behemot of 110 kg - so heavy I could barely put it on its stand, the first days.
And I learnt to drive it up and down dirt roads and treacherous tracks all by myself... so I think you won't have too many problems. But never forget road safety rules :D

264 Ex_dem  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:35:41am

That article pretty much sums up why I became an Ex_dem.

265 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:35:49am

#260 Sean II

It certainly is. But as you say, more of a supplement than a substitute.
Personally, I can't get enough of this stuff, pity so few authors make this stuff comprehensible for a mere plebs like myself.

266 Sean II  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:40:47am

#265 hm

I just started reading PaParallel Worlds by Michio Kaku. Very good so far, in the same style as Greene.

267 pookleblinky  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:52:17am

#248 Quilly

In neither political philosophy is the Social Nature of Man addressed adequately. It is dismissed or ignored by NCLs and derided as being artificial by Objectivists. When either of these two philosophies adequately address the issue of our, to my mind, instinctual desire to be a group I’ll pay closer attention to what they have to say.

The social nature of man arises from inequalities in various people and in the places in which they live. A division of labor is necessary that each may live without scratching the ground for grain and dying at 25 yrs old. In short, unless someone advocates absolute hermitage, they accept the division of labor. This is a given, for I do not see any "Hermitage Parties" around.

Now, you seem to believe that individualism is opposed to the division of labor. This is not so. An objectivist views the division of labor as a necessary benefit of being human, and embraces voluntarily its advantages. An objectivist is opposed to the "instinctual desire to be a group" only when that instinct is forced upon him as no other instinct is. Remember that saying of Bastiat, "We do not oppose brotherhood, we only oppose enforced and artificial brotherhood."

On a smaller scale. Which would you rather have, a true and intimate friend, or someone forced to spend time with you (think back to childhood)? No one is opposed to the benefits a man may receive from the division of labor, but there is a clear difference between being voluntarily and involuntarily connected with all other people.

268 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:54:24am

# 255 hm

Well, it depends on what data you evaluate and how you evaluate it. And in the end, the true issue isn't whether there is a global warming trend - the true issue is, if there is a global warming trend, is it indeed anthropomorphic ? There's the rub. If there is indeed a global warming trend but it is all caused by increased solar radiation, we could all go back to living in caves (and I know a LOT of spelunkers and speleologists who would object to THAT) and it wouldn't make one damned bit of difference.

# 256 Iron Fist

2001 ? Does that get you the latest softail engine with the counterbalancing ? I apologize for my relative ignorance, but I can't remember. The 1348 cc, I believe ? Be careful on that thing - that long fork and high rake angle means trouble in serious curves, regardless of the great drive on the striaghts. 10 years ? That's nothing ! I last rode in 1975.

# 257 hm

As I repeatedly tell my clients and thier IT staff, I'm just a user, not a systems or IT person. I spend most of my time parked in front of a Unix box, although I always have the trusty Toshiba PC fired up beside me. My current workstation is a Sun Blade 2500, but it's hooked to the most primitive network possible aside from a real stand-alone workstation. That's kind of surprising to me, given how big a company this is. Their operation here is just getting off the ground, so they have a long way to go. Their operations in Mexico and Venezuela are much more advanced than this.

#s 259 hm and 260 Sean II

My wife is a Netflix subscriber, so I will e-mail her immediately and tell her to get that one so I can watch it. I never saw it but did read the reviews, and they sounded fabulous. Maybe she can arrange to have it at the house when I get back there in LESS THAN TWO WEEKS ! God, but I love going home !

269 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 3:55:05am

#266 Sean II
+ Mike C.,

Thanks for the tip, that's going to be the next book I buy.

BTW, I don't know if you or Mike C. ever pass through Singapore Airport, but the bookshop in the Transit Terminal 1 (that's the Singapore Airlines section) always stocks quite a few of these types of books, more than any other bookshop I know.

Being the old-fashioned type - at least when it comes to books - I always appreciate being able to have a look before I buy, hence I'd prefer a good bookshop over Amazon any day.

270 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:01:16am

# 263 FabioC

Uh, Iron Fist's Springer , depending on how it's dressed out, probably runs to something upwards of 300 Kg. definitely a horse of a different color. 110 Kg is a fairly light bike, and certainly way light for a "cruising" bike.

271 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:09:15am

and indeed - socialists do need to be punched in the face.
Freaks.

272 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:11:51am

#268 Mike C.

if there is a global warming trend, is it indeed anthropomorphic ? There's the rub. If there is indeed a global warming trend but it is all caused by increased solar radiation, we could all go back to living in caves


Absolutely right.
I don't know the answer, it's certainly conceivable that human activity has had some sort of effect on the climate, however, given what one volcano explosion (or earthquake for that matter) can cause, I think humans, especially these "envorinmentalist" types tend to exaggerate their own influence on the matter.

As to why we're seeing all this alarmist activity, I think that for "environmentalists" the main motivation is the need to satisfy their own egos.
Then there's politicians, MSM types and "scientists". I think they've jumped on the bandwagon for a combination of monetary gain and political expedience.
As for all the others who buy into this stuff, I think its basically because there is just so much more information out there. There are countless weather satellites and stations measuring all kinds of stuff. There's just this deluge of information and hence there's bound to be something there for everyone, i.e. if you just turn it the right way, some of this data will prove whatever the person looking at it wants to be proven.

If we had all the data that we have today but in relation to the earth as it was 25000 years ago, much the same conclusions about global warming, cooling or whatever could and would be drawn.

273 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:18:34am

# 269hm

No, Singapore is Terra Incognita to me. I fly from here to Chicago and then on to Washington. Don't quite cross the North Pole on the way here or back, but damned near. Amazon is the absolute best when you already know what you want, but I will grant you it's no substitute for a leisurely stroll through a real bookstore. But a leisurely stroll through a bookstore can be a dangerous and expensive undertaking. Of course, spending an hour or two looking up things on Amazon can be equally as expensive. Especially if you start finding that there are CDs of all those old LPs you used to (or still) have. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

274 scaramouche  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:19:55am
275 Nonnie  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:22:18am

Gunslingah et al -

re Stan Goff: Unforch, he really is ex-SF (having lived the last 16 years on and near Fort Bragg, I've learned never to trust anyone when he's a self-proclaimed "ex-Delta" - real Deltas don't brag). Goff's now very involved in the "peace movement" around these parts. Local active and retired SF have no use for him. God does have a sense of humor, though: Stan's son has enlisted and is serving proudly in the US Army. HAH!

Guess things got a little too hot for him around here, because he's moved up the road to Raleigh.

276 Mike C.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:22:34am

Well, fellow lizardoids, it's going on 10:30 PM here, and I need to get a decent night's sleep. So I will wish you all a good night. Or a good morning. Whichever is appropriate.

277 hm  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:25:54am

#273 Mike C.

Luckily, there's always weight constraints when you're buying stuff at an airport.
Going to sign off now, good night.

278 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:27:13am

#276 Mike C.

One Lizard goes to sleep, one lizard starts posting (it's nearly 9.30 AM here !).

The perfect Army of the Pajamarines.

279 Luigi  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:30:31am

With friends like Fox who needs enemies?

All f*cking morning they've been going on and on and on about the latest blatent transparent attempt to 'get Rumsfeld' with the coordinated stories in the NY Times, WaPo and New Yorker mag about the "Secret Spy Unit" in Iraq.

How could anything be more obvious as a coreographed attack on Rumsfeld? How many times do they have to go up against this man before Fox, of all people, gets maybe just a whiff of a hint that there are people out there who put together one campaing after another to 'get' this man?

280 pookleblinky  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:31:32am

Playing around with calculus before leaving for classes- 9:30 here too!

281 Rant Wraith  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:31:58am

I wrote about this last week. A few things caught my attention.

The speaker from the editorial board of the Socialist Rag said, "Of course, [the Iraqi resistance] is riddled with opportunism, local rivalry, demagoguery, and criminality. But if we were to only support pristine movements, then no resistance will be worthy of our purity."

First, beware of people who use terms like "our purity" because they are also talking about 'impurity' and the inevitable 'cleansing' it implies. Whether racial, religious or ideological, 'group purity' is a dangerous concept. Lots of bad things flow from that idea. Lots of barbed wire and flames.

Second, otherwise that's how I feel about the War in Iraq. Of course there were mistakes and missed opportunities; it was riddled with institutional rivalry and backbiting; it suffered from bad planning, poor planning and in some cases no planning. But if I was only to supporty a perfect effort to create Arab democracy then no effort would be worth supporting.

The Dems need to cut these people off. Ostracize them. Treat them like the political toxins that they are. Don't try to reason with them or try persuade them to join the "Progressive Coalition." I will not support a Democratic candidate who tolerates these views just as I wouldn't support a Republican candidate who tolerates the views of the militia-men or Stormfront.

282 thepoguemahone  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:32:05am

I can't find that Churchill quote - but this is a good one from him as well


One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.

Whether Churchill said it or not - its a good quote about the way age and experience change ones perspective

Of course, some of us have never been Liberal - even at 20

But don't feel badly about it - it doesn't mean you have no heart at all - just that you have more brains than most

See, you realized very early that the "heart" of Liberalism was nothing of the kind in practice That good intentions and high minded talk from your comfortable place in life didn't do a helluvalot for others

283 manker  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:33:00am

OT:

Blood libels are being spewed.

[Link: backspin.typepad.com...]

Writing in The Spectator, Anthony Lipmann uses the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp to compare the IDF to the Nazis:

‘What would I have done?’ I ask myself. ‘What should I be doing now? What am I doing for those being persecuted today — among them the Palestinians, who are suffering at the hands of Jews? But for a turn of fate, could I have been a Nazi too?...

When on 27 January I take my mother’s arm — tattoo number A-25466 — I will think not just of the crematoria and the cattle trucks but of Darfur, Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Jenin, Fallujah. I will pray that each of us who is born of suffering becomes also the end-post for it. If the survivors and their descendants do not lead the way, who will?

This little band of 600 has a terrible responsibility — to live well in the name of those who did not live and to discourage the building of walls and bulldozing of villages. Even more than this, they — and all Jews — need to be the voice of conscience that will prevent Israel from adopting the mantle of oppressor, and to reject the label ‘anti-Semite’ for those who speak out against Israel’s policies in the occupied territories.

1. It's disgusting that he even compare Israeli actions to the Holocaust, esspecially during the anniversery.

2. The fact that he points out Jenin which is a flat out lie. Even Al Jazeera stated that Jenin wasn't a massacre.

284 AtlasShrugged  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:43:41am

#204 MEROVIGN

Yeah, there aren't many of us. If you think that makes us wrong, it's time to hand the reigns over to the Muslims or the Chinese Communists or the Hindus... 'cause they got us all outnumbered.

Oh, and just so you're clear on this, the people that want to abolish the government? That's Anarchists, and I ain't talking about the black-armband rock-throwers (Nihilists), who are just jackasses.

Oh, and you pay for the roads now. You know that, don't you? You just don't have a choice, that's all.

If you can't figure out how private roads could possibly work, consider first what you are doing right now, reading this message. And then consider that the same human beings design, make, pay for and maintain roads, whether public or private.

AMEN! Congratualtions! You are glady granted admittance into the inner circle. Do join Pookle and myself as we make our way to Galt's Gulch ...

285 Smit  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:43:42am

Re: Global Warming, Drudge is funny today.
He links that Independent article "REPORT: COUNTDOWN TO GLOBAL WARMING CATASTROPHE..." with a picture of a Snowstorm and the headline " BLIZZARD BURIES BOSTON !"


Yeah I know, the theory is that global warming makes it get colder but still, that's funny.

286 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:46:08am
287 pookleblinky  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:46:19am

OT: Holocaust Denier "President" "close to persuading"!
[Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Sunday that he is close to persuading Palestinian militant groups to stop their attacks on Israelis, while Israel suggested it would curtail military operations in the Gaza Strip if militants held their fire.

Abbas said in an interview on Palestinian television that he expects to have a truce in hand "very soon," after days of recent meetings with militant groups in the Gaza Strip.

"We can say that there has been significant progress in the talks. Our differences have diminished, and therefore we are bound to reach an agreement very soon," Abbas said.

Israel, meanwhile, offered cautious praise for a deployment of Palestinian police that has brought several days of rare calm to the Gaza Strip.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites), who a week earlier warned that the army would take "any action" to halt Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks, said he hoped the lull would last. But he repeated threats to act with force if guerrillas resume attacking Israelis.

Sharon spoke in the southern Israeli town of Sderot, a frequent target of homemade Qassam rockets fired across the border by militants in the Gaza Strip. Sharon held his weekly Cabinet meeting there to show support for the beleaguered town.

"I hope that perhaps the quiet will continue," Sharon said. "If not, the [army] and the security forces will do all that is necessary to remove the threat on the residents here."

It has been five days since a rocket landed in Sderot--a period coinciding with Abbas' talks in Gaza with Hamas and other militant groups. Amid the talks, Abbas also dispatched hundreds of Palestinian police into northern Gaza border areas to prevent fighters from firing at Israel.

Israel's defense minister, Shaul Mofaz, said Sunday that the militant groups promised Palestinian authorities they would hold their fire for about a month. Spokesmen for the factions denied there was any agreement yet, but they said fighters would observe calm while talks with Abbas went ahead.

The groups--they include Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, anoffshoot of Abbas' Fatah faction--have signaled a willingness to halt attacks if Israel stops targeting militant leaders and ends other military operations in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Read it all.

288 pookleblinky  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:46:40am

PIMF!

Damn!

289 john jay  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:54:21am

This should be required reading for the Left. I voted for Clinton in college, and then Nader in 2000. Fortunately, I didn't get the president I deserved. The protesters made me consider the Republicans' answer to world problems. Since the protesters were so batshit loony, I had to question them, and looked for authors who were able to better able to articulate my objections. The conservatives were a whole lot more insightful than their liberal counterparts.

The maniacal Karl Rove must rub his hands with evil glee whenever the LLL protesters get TV time.

290 mglazer  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:56:36am

Just got back from a weekend in New York City and every Democrat I spoke with either voted for Bush or hated what the "liberals" of their party have done to make Hate the new emphasis of the Democrats. instead of what we are for it is noe what we hate and are against and in the most bile and disgusting hateful ways. Supporting terrorists etc...

They feel literally like their party has been hijacked by hate mongerers. They don't feel it truly represents them anymore.

I told them that when I registered with SS at 18 I did as Republican as a native Upstate New Yorker. They didn't seem too surprised as had been in the past and were very excited to talk to me which in the past had not been the case.

Democarat are completely demoralized about what their party now represents with its hateful speech and continued support of mass murderers

More repubs, yeah!

I don't see the Repubs losing any steam in the continued peoples revolution and take over that started in teh 1990s witht he apex of the insanity of the PC revolution that the MSM called "angry white man vote" (more lies that blinded themselves). More blaccks vote Repub and more blacks are affluent proportionally than whites nowadays. Yet Dems still pine for the "poor" black. They are completely out of touch so they continue to lose support from all aspects of society.

291 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:57:04am

OT:

Humans save earth from ice age!

Congratulations, humanity!

292 Free Speech Is Only For über-Libs  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 4:59:59am

OT again (sorry)

When ever a whiney no-nothing liberal complains about how they are frightened if Bush updates our failing Social Security program - show them this:

[Link: www.rockymountainnews.com...]

293 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:01:43am

1C is brisk by Houston standards, no doubt, but it has been as cold as -3C in December, and again back in 1996, and IIRC, it was -8C in December 1989

294 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:08:15am

Charles- not only is it my motherinlaws birthday (a lovely lady really) but Elie Weisel will address the UN's 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-

I have a feeling that Wiesel will have some very choice words for the Kofi Annan and the distiguaished dignataries in attendance, given Wiesel's abilities with words, I expect a memorable address.

From JPOST- Afterwards, in an historical appearance which will mark the first time a Holocaust survivor appears before the United Nation, prolific and esteemed writer and Nobel laureate Elie Weisel will deliver a speech to the assembly.

295 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:08:34am

I've been drunk in Singapore.

I wasn't drunk at the time, but I found both Ft. Silosi on Sentosa, with its "Museum of the Japanese Surrender" and the Jurong Bird Park to be worth my tourist dollars.


Ditto "Tiger Balm Gardens".

296 Smit  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:09:31am

OT - At least he's honest.


Is secular Britain, we Muslims are asking, generous and capable enough to provide adequate space for Muslims to live as Muslims? Will the secularists allow us the full expression of our religious identity, including a political dimension , in the public sphere? And Muslims must ask themselves: how can we use our own internal resources to empower ourselves and become active citizens of a secular Britain?

Muslims can be loyal to Britain only by being loyal to their own worldview. And Britain can only become a genuinely pluralistic and multicultural society by providing the Muslim community with enough space to express itself the way it chooses.

Asking the wrong questions can be fatal

Umm, This town ain't big enough...

297 zonekeeper  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:14:20am

OT: Anyone seen this?


Yeah, and your husband left a nice legacy of the first porno shop in the White House, you filthy white garbage.

298 levi from queens  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:17:50am

Non sequitur -- the comic strip -- is an occasionally witty comic about a precocious and frequently obnoxious little girl which is generally LLL. Today, it took the opposite tack. -- perhaps lots of hearts are moving.link

299 john jay  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:18:04am

#294 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
Interesting. Do you know if there's going to be a webcast of that? I would be very interested in seeing it.

300 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:20:25am
301 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:24:16am

#279 Luigi

With friends like Fox who needs enemies?

YES !

The idiots are trying to conquer the liberal audience...they have already become a stupid copy of all the other news.
And yes, this morning they were unbearable.

302 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:24:32am

OT - I’d like to thank ‘The Australian’ for sharing the much broader implications of the Iraq elections - US must go: poll favourite

The Shi'ite Muslim cleric tipped to become prime minister of Iraq after this Sunday's elections declared yesterday it would be the duty of the new government to demand the withdrawal of US forces "as soon as possible".

Abdul al-Aziz al-Hakim also said Iran and Syria – regarded in Washington as enemies in the war on terrorism – would have a role in ensuring Iraq's security{ed note: won't that be a joy to behold?, along with its other neighbours.

From information I've been able to ascertain, al-Hakim is also favored by certain of our Euro allies, uppity Un officials and various others who now await the outcome in giddy anticipation.

All I can say is, 'Eat, drink and be merry for...'

303 SunCat  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:25:28am
Republican like Arnold who would walk up to him and punch him in the face.


It might do as much good if I kicked one of these guys in the groin. Sadly it will not do any good. It would just confirm the view of themselves as martyrs attacked for being so good and so wise. If not, I might actually consider this. :-)

304 Smit  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:26:53am

#300 bouzouki - And Debka says:

Mossad chief Dagan reports to Knesset panel that the nuclear threat from Iran is very real. Tehran by deceiving international community has brought its nuclear arms program close to point of no return. Moscow is still helping Iran construct Bushehr reactor.

Also Debka says the Russian/Syrian missile sale is going ahead, but Syria has promised not to give any to terrorists.

/choking disbelief

305 SwampWoman  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:27:11am

Good morning, all! I'm currently sittin' here sufferin' from that there global warming here in Florida. God NEVER intended me to be 22 degrees. Never. I'm a tropical flower, not one o' them unnatural things that blooms in the snow.

I reckon I'll quit complainin' (not likely) and go wrap myself in 7 or 8 layers of clothing and venture outside to see if the thermometer has gotten about freezin' yet. I suspect you damn yankees are slackin' off on doin' your part. Just get the SUV, and rev that sucker up.

306 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:28:55am

#267 pookleblinky

AS I said, NCL ignores the fact that social groupings are going to happen and that leads to the development of elites. And you have just done exactly that! ;)

You can't just make that go away by saying

Remember that saying of Bastiat, "We do not oppose brotherhood, we only oppose enforced and artificial brotherhood."

This is incompatible with the division of labor unless you are speaking of extremely small groups. Frontier survivalist comes to mind. Otherwise people who have different agendas have to work together if for no other reason than they can't do it alone. I find one of the best analysis of the situation, all though the answer is off, was by Bakunin _after_ he began to clash with the 1st International.

Personally, I'd like to see the most powerful government be the one down the street from your house. There one has the most chance of reaching consensus. Yet even that is too much for so many No Compromise Libertarian Thinkers, (read anything by that jackass, "An Armed Society is a Polite Society", Stone) where even the hint of doing something that the group wants...unless you are in total agreement...is an anathema

Somehow, when reading most of what extreme libertarians and objectivists write I get the mental image of a child's report card "Doesn't play well with others and doesn't want too either"

QM

307 bouzouki  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:31:28am

#304 Smit

Well, I'm sure if Syria promised, we can trust them.

/s

308 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:32:40am
309 yochanan  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:32:42am

GI'S YES
HIPPIES NO
OLD COMMIE PROFS GOT TO GO

Now i feel 30 years younger. what we need is a conserative activist culture and movement. We can't just let the gov't do it.

If there are any lizard artist out there i would like to form a artist for america group for a little pro american agi prop

310 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:36:05am
311 Bob with one O  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:37:16am

Swamp woman,

22 in Florida? I'm sure there is a PAC that will cover your expenses as a victim of the VRWC's global cooling. BTW it was in the 60's here yesterday.

: )

312 Shammer  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:37:54am

OT

More moonbat protest pics

Appeasment losers

313 SwampWoman  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:41:55am
I get the mental image of a child's report card "Doesn't play well with others and doesn't want too either"


Somebody's been peekin' at my report card(s). Um, in college as well.

314 SwampWoman  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:48:16am

#311

22 in Florida? I'm sure there is a PAC that will cover your expenses as a victim of the VRWC's global cooling. BTW it was in the 60's here yesterday.

Bob, if I wasn't currently huddled inside with a jacket on and a blanket wrapped around my shoulders with hands cradled around a cup of hot, hot chocolate (the real stuff with Hershey's cocoa) and a big ol' blob of Marshmallow fluff in the middle (one must fight off that awful cold with lots of calories) to combat the 70 degree temps inside, I'd be mighty tempted to head to the airport and buy a ticket, load up some firearms in my checked luggage, and come a-lookin' fer ya.

315 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:51:03am
But the more I heard, the more I became convinced that I had discovered something truly threatening: This band of socialists was the most effective recruiting tool for the Republican Party I’d ever encountered.


Actually..

A) Michael Moore
B) Mass supreme court
C) Then all the looney lefties

316 FabioC.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:52:25am

#308 American Infidel

we will need that for stuff like pastics and such, perhaps we could go back to using glass

Not gonna happen: plastics (or better, polymers) are simply too good for too many applications to do without. But still, the fraction of oil used for petrochemistry is rather small compared to the fraction used as fuel. Only cutting the oil used for electricity production would be a huge difference.

317 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:54:08am

This mornings paper had a photo of an anti-war type displaying army boots. One pair for each American serviceman killed in Iraq. For each new one, she photographs a pair and sends the picture to the family of the soldier.

If I'm that family and some LLL sends me a picture because she's trying to make a political statement over my kids death, I'd go nuts.

318 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:54:10am

Smit,

The world's climate has changed innumerable times in recorded history alone. Without exception, warmer historical periods witnessed greater cultural and technological progress than cooler periods. The barbarian migrations, which climaxed in the destruction of the western Roman empire in the fifth century, were as much a result of cooler climates and overpopulation as they were Roman military weakness. The Viking expeditions to the new world came to a halt because an advancing ice pack once again made trans-Atlantic journeys treacherous. Is global warming occuring? Yes. Is humanity contributing to global warming? In small ways possibly. Man's ability to impact the environment is nothing compared to our own planet's. All it would take would be one or two cataclysmic volcanic eruptions (like this or this) and any warming effect would be postponed for decades, possibly even longer.

319 WriterMom  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 5:55:52am

OT: Has this been posted yet?

Iran nuclear program almost at the point of no return!

Peres:

"Iran is the main problem of the Middle East. I do not think that the matter of Iran needs to be turned into an Israeli problem – it is a matter of concern to the whole world," Peres said in an interview with Israel Radio. "It is the United States which must decide, not us. If we go it alone, we will end up alone," Peres added.
320 octopus  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:00:38am

I know there are a lot of recently-deprogrammed Dems here, like myself. It's nothing to be ashamed of, imho.

What I do find shameful, are the people who act as if 9-11 had never happened, that we're not at war, that Bush lied about WMD, that Muslims are unfairly targeted for persecution in the USA, that the UN is a worthwhile organization, that Iraqis don't deserve/want/need democracy, that Rummy's a lunatic who does everything wrong, that our "Abu Ghraib abuse" was equivalent to Saddam's torture-program, that the Israelis are equivalent to the Nazis, that the Swift Boat vets were all on the payroll of the Republican Party, and were hired by rove to lie about Kerry, that Kerry is not a flip-flopping traitor who has betrayed his fellow vets on several occasions, dating from 1971 to 2005.

Have I left anything out?

321 FabioC.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:03:01am

OT - Does the american public disapprove Bush's conduct on Iraq?

A poll says so.

322 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:03:39am

#320 Good post. The only thing you left off was Haliburton.

I know several long time Democrats who repeat the above stuff and nothing you can say will convience them otherwise.

323 SwampWoman  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:03:51am

#317 Dave the ...

If I'm that family and some LLL sends me a picture because she's trying to make a political statement over my kids death, I'd go nuts.

Yep. I doubt I'd even get the death penalty.

324 RickZ  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:06:30am

# 320 octopus:

Have I left anything out?

They also believe that Bill Clinton "did not have sex with that woman." It was all a Republican smear campaign.

Other than that, your post was an Alice down the rabbit hole view of the internal enemies of America. It was well done.

325 Dave the.....  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:07:32am
OT - Does the american public disapprove Bush's conduct on Iraq?


Fortunately Bush doesn't govern by what his pollster tell him will make him look good today.

326 our gal sal  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:20:07am

Elections? Check out:www.memritv.org...] target="_blank">

Thanks to Dr. Sanity for the link.

327 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:28:20am

Down to 1C this morning in Houston, but should be mid, maybe even upper 20s Wednesday, so I may get 1 day of shorts and t-shirt at the office, before clouds, showers and temps back in the lower teens set in.


Haven't really studied the long range models, but forecast discussions say models showing chance for healthy southern stream storm traversing the Southland in a week to 10 days, with a chance of Spring like severe for Gulf South.

328 justdanny  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 6:29:41am

gunslingah

Stan Goff's website. Scroll to the bottom to find his email address. The anti US propaganda on his site clearly indicates some serious mental problems.

329 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 7:05:44am

Stan Goof on the Bush Knew conspiracy theory.

Certainly, the Bush de facto administration was facing a confluence of crises from which they were temporarily rescued by this event. Whether they played a sinister role or not, there is little doubt that they have at the very least opportunistically pounced on this attack to overcome their lack of legitimacy, to shift the blame for the encroaching recession from capitalism to the September 11th terror attack, to legitimize their pre-existing foreign policy agenda, and to establish and consolidate repressive measures domestically and silence dissent. In many ways, September 11th pulled the Bush cookies out of the fire.
And given them the green light to begin constructing a long-term scenario within which to establish fascistic control measures at home and abroad as a citadel for the ruling class in the catastrophic conjuncture that we are entering based on the end of oil.

Stan Goff: Mayor of Crazytown

QM

330 FabioC.  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 7:39:56am

#325 Dave the...

I do not endorse that poll; I just thought people here would be interested to read about it.

331 LynnBo  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:06:49am

Quilly Mammoth, re. Stan Goff:

What did he say? None of it made any sense to me.

Is it me, or him?

332 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:38:55am

#318 Dirk Diggler

For a porn star you make a very valid point about global warming... Volcanic eruptions and an/or an errant meteor strike...

333 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:42:09am

Stan Goff will say in his article that he's Napolean.

He's out of his mind. Not just a little, but completely.

334 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:42:30am

#305 SwampWoman

Poor baby, maybe you need to change your nic to either OrchidWoman or HibiscusWoman... :)

335 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:43:07am

Correction: Stan Goff will say in his NEXT article that he's Napolean.

PIMF

336 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 8:53:30am

RightAsRain

LOL - Napolean... Or from the planet Utopia...

337 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:10:23am

OT - Check out this bizarre story of a Tennessee State Democrat who lives in two house with two different women and five children total.

He AUTHORED A LAW in Tennessee that has an impact on the amount of child support that can be demanded of him from a third woman in support of a sixth child of his.

The Memphis Democrat has tried to make use of a law he authored that keeps court-ordered support lower when a father is financially responsible for other children.

Lawmaker says he shares homes with 2 women

338 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:20:24am

#337 RightAsRain

Get's even better:

Ford and Mitchell-Ford went through a bitter divorce in 2002 that led to Mitchell-Ford's jailing after she plowed her car through Mathews' home.

Ford said he pays nearly all bills for both families. They stay in houses he owns and where he also lives, though neither home is in his south Memphis Senate district.

"You have two homes?" court Referee Felicia Hogan asks during the tape recorded hearing. "Well, that's unusual."

"Not necessarily," Ford shot back. "I know people who got five."

339 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:22:01am
Ford and Mitchell-Ford went through a bitter divorce in 2002 that led to Mitchell-Ford's jailing after she plowed her car through Mathews' home.

Wonder if Mitchell-Ford was driving a Ford...

340 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:22:17am

#338 Bubble Girl

LOL! :)

341 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:23:55am

RightAsRain

This fellow Democrat knows men who have FIVE families with one man? Are the other men, Democrats, and hold office in TN too?

342 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:26:02am

RightAsRain

Here's more, it gets even better:

Ford is battling a lawsuit filed by Dana Smith, who is trying to increase his court-ordered support of their 10-year-old daughter. Smith, a former employee under Ford, won a 1996 sexual harassment verdict against him.
343 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:29:27am

#342 Bubble Girl

This is how Clinton's life would have turned out if he hadn't insisted on conducting things orally in his affairs.

I wonder if those kids ever ask their various Moms, "Is there such a thing as a male slut?"

Geeesh.

344 Bubble Girl  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:33:50am

OT

Djibouti expels experts from France, stops France radio broadcasting
France announced that Djibouti decided to expel said French experts and stop a broadcasting station for the International France Radio after the French Judiciary demanded hearing of the chairman of the intelligence department in Djibouti Hassan Saeed in the course of investigation in the assassination of the French Judge Bernard Burweil in 1995.
Djibouti-France, Politics, 1/24/2005
345 Trumpeter  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:40:36am
is further evidence for my position that the voting age should be raised to 30. The vast majority of idiots are in their twenties.

Could not agree more.

The society has become more complex and the issues demand more experience and intelligence than hundred years ago.

In addition instead of a sharp cut off, one vote or zero votes, voting rights could be more finely graded depeneding on age, education (science or technology, arts is a no no here), taxes paid and other suitable criteria.

346 montanapatriot  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 9:46:58am

Leaving behind liberalism came for me when I started working at a state Health & Welfare office in 1991. Lots of us would probably agree there is a place for child protection in our society, but H&W has taken their mandate to absolutely deranged lengths, i.e., they are Nazis determined to strip parents of their God-given right to raise their own children. The moonbat insanity is beyond words.

Don't know how many of you are aware of this. A lot of people think H&W is out there just doing good things for the community. You can forget that. As a parent, once you've tangled with H&W and (hopefully) been cleared, you'll never open your mouth again, never denounce H&W in public. That's why so few people know the truth about H&W. After all, the IRS can take away your money, but H&W can take away your KIDS !

Just had to get this out to somebody ...

347 JohnathanRGalt  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 11:18:03am
#56 pookleblinky 1/23/2005 09:03PM PST
Read Mark Twain' speech "The Death of the Democratic Party," from about 1875 or so.


Got a URL for that? I haven't been able to locate it.

I did find DEMOCRATIC RATIFICATION MEETING, Sept. 9, 1864 which was funny and amazing. Apparently, San Francisco Democrats have not changed in 141 years.

From the previous day, check out Mark Twain's opinion of Democrats:

Earthquake

The regular semi-monthly earthquake arrived at ten minutes to ten o'clock, yesterday morning. Thirty six hours ahead of time. It is supposed it was sent earlier, to shake up the Democratic State Convention, but if this was the case, the calculation was awkwardly made, for it fell short by about two hours. The Convention did not meet until noon. Either the earthquake or the Convention, or both combined, made the atmosphere mighty dense and sulphurous all day. If it was the Democrats alone, they do not smell good, and it certainly cannot be healthy to have them around.

Mark Twain -- The San Francisco Daily Morning Call. 8 September 1864

348 Geepers  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 11:50:06am

Here's our man Stan Goff:

Racist extraordinaire:

On the way, I drop into Harry's Hotel to grab coffee and a sandwich at the bar. The place is infested with expensively clad white people, and brown people are waiting on them. Today is a good day for both. The white people have their leader to celebrate, and the brown people are making out on tips.

The Spectacle

349 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 11:56:08am

#331 LynnBo
What Goof is saying is that the entire 9-11 event, if not planned by the Bush Administration, was welcomed by them as a means to further their oil ambitions

Goof thinks that the oil on the planet will be nearly gone in about 20 years. That as a result of this information, ruthlessly suppressed by the CIA and other agencies, a collection of Power Oil Elites in the US set Bush up to establish an Empire for Oil.

The [bigoted word]s are Useful Idiots encouraged by the CIA (you've heard the claim that ObL was created by the CIA) in order to allow Bush and his nefarious oil-buddies to take over large portions of oil producing land as well as stifle dissent at home.

IOW: The Patriot Act is a creation of the plotters who are going to set up the Oil Empire and suppress dissent here at home. The activities of the Islamo-fascists are a result of the same people in order to create a climate of fear to justify the Patriot Act as well as invade Iraq and other countries.

It's important to remember that Goff basically went nuts in Haiti. He became convinced that Aristiede was a good man being taken down by the CIA.

You'll notice that the CIA figures in all of his conspiracy theories.

Like I said. The Mayor of Crazytown.

QM

350 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:11:22pm

#349 Quilly Mammoth

It's important to remember that Goff basically went nuts in Haiti. He became convinced that Aristiede was a good man being taken down by the CIA.

If not for the internet, he'd have one of those Conspiracy Theory papers with a subscription list of 4 or 5 people.

He's whacko.

I read the part where he described 9/11 as being so incredibly sophisticated as a plot (way too sophisticated to have been done by the guys who did it, or whatever.)

The most frightening thing was that it wasn't really that complicated.

Four or five guys stood up on a plane at the same time and started stabbing people, then they took over the planes.

Aiming airplanes at specific targets is difficult, but these guys were educated people (not just some hicks off an Arab street somewhere.)

Goff needs massive amounts of meds if he isn't already on them.

351 rightasrain  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:13:01pm

One thing is that I wish the CIA were half as crafty as conspiracy theorists give them credit for being. :(

It's like wishing that Jews really ran the world even 1/10th as much as Jews are accused of doing so. (I think Jews would do a nice job, personally.) :)

352 English Liberal  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:38:13pm

Socialists and Liberals are not the same

353 tommoon  Mon, Jan 24, 2005 12:52:35pm

#348 GEEPERS

Strangely, a Stanley Goff was coauthor of a book called "Brothers: Black Soldiers in the Nam." This Stanley Goff claimed to be in the 196th Infantry. The other author, Robert Sanders was in the 173rd. This book was first published in 1982.


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