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Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 6:18:57 pm PDT

Some people call this “free speech.” (Hat tip: William.)

UPDATE at 4/12/05 9:14:01 pm:

And then, there is this: Secret Service visits art show at Columbia. (Hat tip: NC.)

Organizers of a politically charged art exhibit at Columbia College’s Glass Curtain Gallery thought their show might draw controversy.

But they didn’t expect two U.S. Secret Service agents would be among the show’s first visitors.

The agents turned up Thursday evening, just before the public opening of “Axis of Evil, the Secret History of Sin,” and took pictures of some of the art pieces — including “Patriot Act,” showing President Bush on a mock 37-cent stamp with a revolver pointed at his head.

The agents asked what the artists meant by their work and wanted museum director CarolAnn Brown to turn over the names and phone numbers of all the artists. They wanted to hear from the exhibit’s curator, Michael Hernandez deLuna, within 24 hours, she said.

The craziness is getting worse. When did this kind of insane hatred masquerading as “political discourse” become a mainstream, respectable—even marketable—way to express an opinion?

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1 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:20:12pm

Hey, ask the 9th Circus Court of Appeals, this is A-OK!

2 mickthemick  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:20:58pm

Ofcourse, the shirt comes in yellow...the international color of the coward.

3 knotboy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:21:48pm

This kind of trash only helps move people to the right.

4 Damian P.  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:22:45pm

Funny how often this kind of thing appears, considering that Amerikkka is the most fascist country on earth and all.

/sarcasm off

5 True German Ally  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:24:37pm

"Our 100% Authentic Tagless T-Shirt is preshrunk"

So are some brains...

6 SteveC  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:24:49pm

Is this reportable to the Secret Service?

7 Jheka  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:26:06pm

I was walking near my home in San Francisco a couple of days ago and in the space of 2 blocks I saw a window with tons on anti-Bush parahanalia in it, a car covered in anti-Bush stickers (this is actually VERY common here in San Francisco) and a sign taped to a lamp post that said "Mr. Annan: Prosecute Bush!" This last one just left me astounded ... just the irony of it.

Anyway, some people think that ALL speech should be allowed. While I am for the broadest possible free speech, absolutists, even in this area (sometimes especially in this area) are ... well ... dolts.

8 chewydog  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:26:24pm

Just sent Cafe Press and email detailing how discusting they are.

9 sms111  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:26:40pm

Imagine if the shirt said "Kill Negroes..."

10 Jheka  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:27:03pm

#6 SteveC:

Actually, yes. Incitement to murder the President is, I believe, a federal offense.

11 jwm  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:28:25pm

OK, LLL's
(and any who find this amusing)
I double-dog dare ya' to wear that shirt in Texas.
JWM

12 reaganite  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:28:55pm

#6 SteveC

Is this reportable to the Secret Service?

Not likely, the shirt is "general" the assholes that made it got legal advice before they printed it. It's vague enough that they can "claim" any message.

FWIW, they're POS.

13 Megan  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:29:09pm

Let me guess- the person who made that shirt thinks he's clever and brave, and would label any person wearing a shirt saying "kill terrorists" as a Nazi.

14 Jheka  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:29:42pm

Imagine if the shirt said kill ANY identifiable American citizen. What the hell was CafePress (which, as some of you may recall, refused to market many of Allah's entirely legal products for being culturally insensitive or some such) thinking? They're also liable if and when the Secret Service notices this.

15 Amy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:30:00pm

I sent an email to Cafe Press telling them that this is disgusting and reprehensible, and it is not protected by the First Amendment because it constitutes incitement to violence. I also aid that unless they remove it immediately I intend to send the link to everyone I know urging them not to buy anything through their site. Let's see what they do (if anything).

16 Jheka  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:30:29pm

#12 reaganite:

You think so? Seems awfully specific to me.

17 orson  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:30:58pm

Imagine the hard time you'd get if you wore "Kill Hillary", or "Gore Al", or "Sharpton must Die!" .

18 Alone in NY  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:31:27pm

I just emailed Cafe Press, and told them I won't order anything from 'em so long as this garbage is offered.

I say don't let them advertise on LGF while they continue to sell this dangerous and disgraceful trash.

19 Apu Pibat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:31:42pm

Only in America!

You wouldn't see a shirt like this in, say, Sadaam's Iraq.

If the 9th Circuit Loony Bin thinks this is A-OK, then they shouldn't have trouble with a shirt saying "Kill Liberals."

Right? Right?

20 Megan  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:33:43pm

What is wrong with these people? I wouldn't make comments about killing a Democrat (or any politician) no matter how much I disliked him.

21 Harvard@Cal  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:00pm

Gee, I wonder how fast I would get hissy-fitted by an el cubo if I had a shirt that read "Kill Hillary, befort the c**t destroys the USA". Hmmm.

Harvard@Cal (actually in SLO for work today...and mmm...mmm free drinks at Embassy Suites).

22 ronaldusmagnus  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:16pm

#6 and #12

I just reported it to our local field office.

As to whether it's a general political statement or an incitement to murder, I thought - gee - let the legal minds at Secret Service sort through it after they interview the folks at CafePress and the shirt's creator.

23 former demo  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:20pm

#7 Jheka,

Over here in my neck of the woods (east bay), the bumper stickers say Stop all aid to Israel and: Iraq = Arabic for Vietnam.

And by my office, I'd say 50% of the houses still have the Kerry signs up in the windows.

I'm sure that disgusting shirt will be a big hit here.

Double spit.

24 Terrye  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:22pm

I don't see how this is legal.

Freedom of speech is one thing but incitement to murder a president is something else.

Besides all that the only thing the assholes would get out of the deal is Cheney as president. Would that make them any happier?

I am going to do what Amy did. That might be more useful than anything else.

25 GeeWiz  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:50pm

Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does. Life never ceases to amaze me. Maybe because it's populated with moonbats and total wackos. This is a WTF? moment.

26 Trash  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:34:57pm

Damn, I just got 2 shirts from them... emailing now...

27 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:35:32pm

#19,

In Sadaam's Iraq, t-shirt kills you.

28 KJC  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:35:53pm

Michelle Malkin has a blog entry about this, and other atrocious lib stuff too:
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

29 reaganite  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:36:56pm

#16 Jheka

You think so? Seems awfully specific to me.

I agree who the target is but the bottom line is, the USSS would have to prove in court that "Bush" means the President.

30 golem akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:37:11pm

Their bumper stickers are also real "liberal." The LLLs are nuts, intolerant, unenlightened, and full of hate. That having been said, some of my best friends are liberals. Heh. (in fact, most of my friends are liberals -- I live in LA --liberal's arena).

So I guess tolerance, love, and real compassion are no longer important. The left is circling the drain.

31 former demo  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:37:34pm

I just emailed Cafe Press as well and told them I'm boycotting their pathetic firm.

32 NC  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:37:41pm
CafePress (which, as some of you may recall, refused to market many of Allah's entirely legal products for being culturally insensitive or some such)

I remember that. Allah was selling a teddy bear with the name of his site on it. Cafe Press removed it on grounds that it was "offensive."

But "Kill Bush" is okay.

I also remember there being at least one Ku Klux Klan shop hosted at CP. Someone needs to do a few searches over there; I bet a lot of interesting stuff will turn up.

33 Trash  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:38:14pm

Coupons they send burn real nice...

34 iowahawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:38:18pm

Hey, come on, it's a satire! See, the logo is just like "Kill Bill," only differently humorous, in a satirical comical way, and everything.

You humor-challenged people also probably don't understand the comedy humor of Al Zarqawi, and his satirical beheading theater troup. It's "cutting-edge" -- get it?

Comedy Philistines.

35 doppelganglander  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:38:25pm

Sure, it's disgusting, but at least it makes it easy to spot the idiots.

36 True German Ally  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:38:53pm

General Guidelines for Prohibited Content

* Content that may infringe on the rights of a third a party.
* Items that make inappropriate use of Nazi symbols and glamorize the actions of Hitler.
* Use of marks that signify hate towards another group of people.
* Hate and/or racist terms.
* Inappropriate content or nudity that is not artistic in nature.
* Content that exploits images or the likeness of minors.
* Obscene and vulgar comments and offensive remarks that harass, threaten, defame or abuse others such as F*** (Ethnic Group).
* Content that depicts violence, is obscene, abusive, fraudulent or threatening such as an image of a murder victim, morgue shots, promotion of suicide, etc.
* Content that glamorize the use of "hard core" illegal substance and drugs such as a person injecting a vial of a substance in their body.
* Material that is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by CafePress.com.

Pick one

37 Brennius  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:39:05pm

#21
I think you have a good idea for a shirt there; I would wear it.

38 Nonnie  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:40:26pm

#15 Amy and #18 Alone in NY:

What e-mail address did y'all use? For some reason, when I click on "Contact Us" I get a page with no form.

Thanks.

39 Bubble Girl  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:41:00pm

It's very simple... print your own T-Shirt...

Ass Stompers For Bush... or something similar...

40 mjk  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:42:26pm

This is just stupid. I don't care how much you hate a politician or his/her stances on, well, anything, you do not threaten to kill them. It's classless and reprehensible.
But hey, maybe the people who wear this shirt could get recruited by Hamas or Hizb'allah. They are, after all, in the same political arena as these groups. Then again, the people who wear these shirts probably think Hamas and Hizb'allah are "freedom fighters" or "insurgents" or "militants". So joining groups like that would be an honour.

41 Jheka  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:42:42pm

#29 reaganite:

You know what? I don't think they'd have a problem with that. Honestly. I would bet the farm that the person who put out that T-shirt has plenty of stuff on his or her harddrive which would clearly establish who he or she was talking about ... and you could get a warrant to seize that.

42 former demo  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:43:12pm

#35 DG

That's a very good point. Where's Target Practice. Just kidding, of course.

43 Bubble Girl  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:44:09pm

Yeah... doppelganger is right...

Makes it easier for us to spot them... wonder how they will feel confronted by a foaming at the mouth little Latina such as I along with my 50 cousins...

Oh, and be sure and wear it when you come into my ER, with your leg fracture, saline works wonder for your pain...

44 golem akbar  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:44:13pm

I hope a lot of LLLs wear these kinds of T-shirts. I'd love to see the media try to defend them. Oh yeah, free speech. Most Americans will find this very offensive. Go ahead LLLs, wear them. There will be no democrats left in the country with an IQ above freezing.

45 Yossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:44:25pm

That's not funny.

Click on the linky, next to the t-shirt it says

For Gods sake ... KILL BUSH ... save the United States and the rest of the world.

Disgusting.

46 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:45:48pm

"No your honor, you don't understand. You see, "Kill" is the ancient Inca word for "the". The shirt says "The Bush""

/Simpsons

47 reaganite  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:47:53pm

#41 Jheka
Of that, I have no doubt!

48 knotboy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:48:14pm

#39 Bubble Gir
I have a athletic shirt that reads W 2004 Athletic Dept and another Bush/Cheney shirt I bout from a vendor when the Debate w/kerry was in St. louis. I get a lot of thumbs up when I wear them in the suburbs and a lot of mean looks in the city.

49 Apu Pibat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:49:09pm

#46

Sideshow Bob had a tattoo on his chest reading "Die Bart Die." He said it was German for "The Bart, The"

He got paroled. The officer said "No one who speaks German could be an evil man."

50 hs  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:51:01pm

If you're going to complain about this t-shirt, I would expect the same treatment for the following comments from Free Republic regarding NBC cameraman Kevin Sites

* "Turn Sites over to the terrorist."
* "Fragamundo."
* "No need for anything overt. Unfortunate things happen in combat zones, and if the reporter fails to hear someone yell 'Sniper!', well, c'est la guerre" [French for "that is war"].
* [In response to a post suggesting Sites's "life is in danger being around the Marines"]: "I would certainly hope so."
* "I hope the Marines advance and leave Sites behind...alone in Fallujah with his terrorist buddies."
* "I don't want the punk killed, I'd just like to see his hair mussed. Jaws wired shut for a few months, food through a straw, that kind of thing."
* "It's Kevin Sites who deserves to be held in contempt and who deserves the losing end of a bar fight."
* "I don't give a flying you-know-what about his safety."

Or how about the following comments from LGF on the same story

Correction. First shoot the damn reporter then shoot the enemy combatant.

I like your thinking. (to above comment)

Maybe next time they can let Mr. Sites search the jihadi.

You fucking traitor!

Journalists should wear bright orange clothes so the murdering terrorists can see who they don't need to shoot at but can if they want.

Can anyone explain why Kevin Sites isn't worried about being caught in crossfire between Marines and Islamists. If I were a Marine, my major pre-occupation would not be ensuring his safety.

51 the_flying_pig  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:51:36pm

Report CafePress to the US Secret Services over this T-shirt.

Making a direct or indirect threat or an incitement to violence toward the US President in any shape or form is a FELONY, subjected to federal charges, jail and fines.

52 aRedPhishHead  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:51:43pm

Here's a good shirt for the Libs -

IF I WERE A DEMOCRAT I WOULD'VE COMMITTED SUICIDE ON NOV. 3

(OR VOTED- WHICHEVER IS MORE STUPIDERRR)

53 Apu Pibat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:53:32pm

I hear hs liked the shirt so much, he bought the company!

54 knotboy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:54:02pm

#50
Those would make great T-shirts!
just kidding...well kinda
aw hell, who am I kidding. I would wear one!

55 pdotfu  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:54:48pm

Heh. Let a thousand flowers bloom. I can't wait to see what happens when/if anyone has the bodyparts to wear it. News would be interesting in some parts of the country.

56 Right Wing Nutt  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:55:23pm

bad thing is, linking this will just increase that person's sells.

57 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:56:11pm

#50 hs

There is a big difference.

The law protects the President from death threats.

Kevin Sites gets enjoy the full rewards and risks of the First Amendement.

58 cleve  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 4:58:24pm

Ah, those loving, kind, tolerant, compassionate liberals...

59 Carolyn  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:00:27pm

If you can't get your man elected, just call for assassination. The pity of it is the LLL can't see the shame in this.

60 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:00:30pm

#50, highschool,

And just what was so inflammatory about my suggestion?

That's not a threat to Mr. Sites at all... (if the jihadi is, as Sites insists, unarmed and no threat)

61 iowahawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:00:59pm

More brave creative work emerging from Bush's concentration camp of persecuted artistical types: The Chicago Trib runs a puff piece on a Chicago gallery show depicting Bush with a gun to his head (gasp! The Secret Service investigated!); also, a happy Tribune news story celebrating the physical assault of conservative campus speakers.

62 Renna  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:02:12pm

reaganite #29

I agree who the target is but the bottom line is, the USSS would have to prove in court that "Bush" means the President.

In contrast, on election day, the word "Bush" was forbidden in the polling places even when it was obvious the referenced Bush wasn't the President. An employee of a business with the name Bush was made to cover the company logo while voting. 'Cause, you know, just the sight of the logo for Bush Lawn and Tractor would have influenced voters.

63 levi from queens  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:02:57pm

When I was 14 (in 1965), I wore a button saying --Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him? LBJ was a dreadful president, but I am still ashamed of having worn that button. I wrote cafepress expalining I would make no more purchases from them. (I've got a bit of their stuff now to support various blogs).

64 myoclonic jerk  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:03:54pm

has anyone ever seen a "kill [enter democrat's name here] shirt?

65 lowandslow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:04:13pm

#50 hs
Apples and oranges, do you ever think?

66 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:04:26pm

It's not like I said he ought to go embed with the muj and find out how they make jihadi snuff porn...

67 iowahawk  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:04:51pm

Hey, from what I understand those aren't threats against Kevin Sites. They're "artistic expressions" "speaking out on controversial issues."

68 Yossarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:05:39pm

How about this shirt instead? :)

69 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:05:57pm

OH, THIS IS NICE!

A close up of the image of another product...

this tote bag just the right size for hiding your suicide bomb.

70 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:06:39pm

#67

They are speaking truth to power, man.

71 Mentat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:07:42pm

OT: Uhoh. The UN is going to come after LGF for defaming Islam. Charles, are you ready?

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

snip

GENEVA (Reuters) - The United Nations Commission on Human Rights called on Tuesday for combating defamation of religions, especially Islam, and condemned discrimination against Muslims in the West's war on terrorism.

The 53-member state forum adopted a resolution, presented by Pakistan on behalf of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), deploring the intensification of a "campaign of defamation" against Muslims following the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.

72 Baldy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:08:19pm

I remember a while back, I saw someone had a similar phrase which I won't use here, but using the word for killing a major figure. It was on Yahoo! I had info down, but computer died. It was on a Yahoo message board about the Kobe Bryant case. I don't care which party it is, whether I agree or not. This is America, and these things should not be said. remember Jesse Helms made a stupid comment about the former President, and the USSS paid him a visit. I'm glad.

73 GeeWiz  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:08:21pm

#59

or the desparation

74 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:08:42pm

I guess I will just pick up the phone and call that toll free number they have and give them a piece of my mind

hope no one else gets the same idea because it could cost them a lot of money

75 Beagle  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:09:25pm

#1 doppelganglander

Hey, ask the 9th Circus Court of Appeals, this is A-OK!


[Psychic Friend ON]
That decision will be reversed.
[PF OFF]

76 lowandslow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:11:03pm

#71 Mentat

There is no "campaign of defamation", just the truth.

77 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:12:07pm
saw a window with tons on anti-Bush parahanalia in it, a car covered in anti-Bush stickers (this is actually VERY common here in San Francisco)

Common? In San Francisco? Whoda thunk it, Jheka? :-D

hs: Expressing the hope that harm befalls a traitorous journalist in Iraq might be in bad taste, but it is not the same as profiting from a T-shirt calling for the assassination of the President of the U.S.

Even a dumb moonbat should be able to see th-no, forget that. Dumb moonbats are also blind moonbats.

78 kendall  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:12:10pm

#65 lowandslow

More like comparing apples to bullshit.

Comments on a blog equals an f'n t-shirt that says "kill Bush"?

You are going to have to do better with your equivalence hang up hs. Come on! I know you can! Dig deep!

79 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:12:32pm

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Phone: 510-877-1540
Fax: 510-877-1540

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80 Beagle  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:13:08pm

#71 Mentat

The UN is beyond parody. A Pakistani spoke out against "Islamophobia".

A Cuban said this (he sees American movies?):

"Islam has been the subject of very deep campaign of defamation. All you have to do is look at the films which have come out of Hollywood the last few years," said Cuba's delegate, Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez.


LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

Cuba and Pakistan, of course, are paragons of virtue in the realm of human rights.

81 doubledip  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:14:25pm

Totally on topic ---

Feds probe politically charged art exhibit: Secret Service focuses interest on provocative image of Bush

CHICAGO - The Secret Service sent agents to investigate a college art gallery exhibit of mock postage stamps, one depicting President Bush with a gun pointed at his head.

82 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:14:27pm
hope no one else gets the same idea because it could cost them a lot of money

Very bad idea, Adrenalyn! We don't want to make them lose money!

/Reaches for cell phone

;-)

83 Baldy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:15:15pm

At the Pittsburgh Arts Festival this year, there was "art" which had silkscreened photos of the President with what looked a head wound. I called the USSS about it.

84 J.D.  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:15:39pm

#71 Mentat
That sort of activity has been going on for a long time now.
See this from 1999.
Islamism Grows Stronger at the United Nations

In recent years, representatives of some Muslim states have demanded, and often received, special treatment at the United Nations mostly via the Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR). As a result, non-diplomatic terms such as "blasphemy" and defamation of Islam" have seeped into the United Nations system, leading to a situation in which non-Muslim governments accept certain rules of conduct in conformity with Islamic law (the Shari`a) and acquiesce to a self-imposed silence regarding topics touching on Islam. This pattern of behavior has emerged with regard to a host of issues—Salman Rushdie, Muslim antisemitism, Islamic alternatives to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), a "defamation of Islam" resolution, and the actions of the Sudanese government. ...
85 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:16:10pm

#80, Beagle:

LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

The Sum of All Fears?

/sarc, of course

86 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:17:14pm

#71

OMG! Not a resolution!

87 Mentat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:17:15pm

Better Muslim than no religion at all? The Churchmen mentioned below are fools. The only help that they will receive from Islam is that which would help end the Christian faith entirely. The stupidity, ignorance and foolishness of people is beyond my comprehension.

[Link: today.reuters.co.uk...]

Churchmen See Islam as Ally Against Unbelief

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - After absorbing the blow of Sept. 11, some Roman Catholic cardinals in Europe want to enlist Muslims as future allies against a challenge confronting both their religions -- the godless nature of modern life.

Church leaders, now in Rome to elect a successor to Pope John Paul, initially echoed widespread concerns about militant Islam after the 2001 attacks, and sometimes depicted the faith as a spiritual rival the next pope must be able to stand up to.

But now some cardinals, including several seen as possible popes, are stressing the need to work with, not against, what is the second religion in much of Europe. They also see this as a contribution to peace both at home and in the Islamic world.

88 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:17:26pm

I slam. You slam. We all slam Islam.

89 Simple Voice  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:17:37pm

Did they run out of Che' t-shirts?

90 reaganite  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:18:10pm

#80 Beagle

LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

Dennis Quaid did a movie about Islamic terrorists, his wife and child were killed in a bombing so he walked intoa mosque and started shooting. He went to Bosnia after and killed them. Anyone know the title?

91 Havoc  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:18:21pm

Here's Cafe Press Headquaters --

Corporate Headquarters
CafePress.com
1515 Aurora Drive
San Leandro, California 94577
Phone: 510-877-1540
Toll Free: 877-809-1659
Fax: 510-877-1578
Email: info@cafepress.com
URL: [Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Right down the street from the Great Lizard West Coast Meet up ...

... Hmmm

Public Relations
Erin Fors
CafePress.com
1515 Aurora Drive
San Leandro, California 94577
Phone: 510-877-1917
Email: pr@cafepress.com

-- Steve Blank Joins Cafe Press Board of Directors

-- Philip Monego (of Yahoo) Joins Cafe Press Board of Directors

January 2005

-- Cafe Press recieves Series B Venture Funding

-- Doug Leone, a partner at Silicon Valley Sequoia Capital since 1988, joins the CafePress.com Board of Directors

Maybe the Secret Service should interview old Doug-o, Blanks and Morengo too, ya think ?

Perhaps we could buy a shirt online for each partners and have Cafe Press mail it to the homes of each of the Sequoia Partners.

With a note inside to please wear it when the TV Cameras Show up.

Any of you attorneys with Lexus Nexus care to publish the Home addresses ?

92 Nonnie  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:19:36pm

#80 bigel:

Submission, the movie that cost Theo van Gogh his life.

93 solomonpanting  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:19:47pm

#13 Megan

"Let me guess, the person who made that shirt thinks he's clever and brave, and would label any person wearing a shirt saying 'kill terrorists' as a Nazi."

Check out their pro-Bush line. Follow the 'Activism and Politics' link.

94 ajackson  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:20:34pm

Slightly OT - Michelle Malkin has a link to an op-ed by Nicholas Kristof of the NY Times (registration and your first born child required) whining about the loss of credibility of the news media. Guess he doesn't look around the news room much. But it's about the level of cluelessness we've come to know and loath at the NYTimes.

BTW - bugmenot.com is your friend.

95 carefulnow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:21:09pm

OT sort of.

I thought this was unintentionally funny:

My name is Kevin McKague, and I am campaigning to get my city to post signs stating "Welcome to Davison, Hometown of Michael Mooore". We have gotten some attention in the local and state-wide media, but we still could use some more help. There has been a small amount of opposition to my campaign, but fortunately, our side has been far more articulate and polite so far. If you would like to help, please write to me at: GiveMikeaSign@aol.com. I will give to you a list of e-mail addresses for the Davison City Council and Mayor, as well as local newspapers. Spread the word to all of the Michael Moore fans you know

At first, I thought the extra "o" in Moore was sarcastic. Then I read the "our side has been...polite so far.

No link (you can guess).

96 Havoc  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:22:33pm

#90 reaganite

Savior ?

97 southernborn  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:23:36pm

When Clinton was president, an eighty year old man called a local talk show and said Clinton should be killed. they tracked that man down and the fbi was at his door in no time and hauled his arse off...so what's up with this being allowed? This kind of mindless crap puts the united states right up there with a bananna republic. if you don't like who is elected, just kill him or tear him down.

98 lowandslow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:23:55pm

#80 Beagle

Great point Beagle on movies.
I think the Islamic culture of death is starting to creep into the LLL thinking. I'm not sure alot of people that would buy that T-shirt don't really hope for it.

99 quark2  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:26:47pm

At least they picked the right colour for their shirt...yellow.

/pissants

100 Adrenalyn  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:27:16pm

southernborn


a few days ago Anne Coulter was hit with a pie

nothing happened to the evildoers

a few years ago a couple guys tossed some pies at Willie Brown - then mayor of S.F.

they got 6 months in the hoosegow


I say keep up the pressure on the F***heads at Cafe Press Lizards. Don't just find a lawyer with LexisNexus - find one that will find a way to sue them out of business for violation of some goofy California law like not having a bathroom with wheelchair access.

Time to play hardball !

No reference to Chris (for Ca DNC official) Matthews !

101 jamgarr  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:27:20pm

Now that's what I call "the politics of personal destruction"!

102 Apu Pibat  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:28:48pm

#97

Y'see, the threat was made against a Democrat. Which means it is "hate speech" and not protected under the Constitution.

When a person makes a threat against a Republican, that person is just expressing his political disagreement. Free speech, ya know. You got a problem with that, you Nazi?

Or at least that's where we're headed

103 Dar ul Harbarian  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:28:57pm

#101

No kidding.

104 RebTex  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:30:03pm

Southern Borne
My thoughts EXACTLY!
Alas, this is the result of allowing mischief become criminal mischief.
Add this to the leftists penchant for assaulting Republicans at speeches.
Their side has lost all concept of reality. & they deem it "fair play" ONLY if they get to win.
Maybe the root cause of all this is that silly youth soccer league called AYSO.
It's set up so as every one plays & no-one loses.
A place for ugly babies to feel that "special" feeling.

105 justdanny  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:30:26pm

I am George Bush

He is my first President.

The only President for whom I have ever voted.

When I see him I smile. I like him.

I am with him.

106 MJ  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:31:39pm

# 61 iowahawk

The Chicago Tribune is still suffering from the defeat of their man Hitler in World War II and for the creation of the State of Israel. They just haven't gotten over these things.

107 justdanny  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:34:32pm

#88 Dar ul Harb 4/12/2005 07:17PM PDT
I slam. You slam. We all slam Islam.

See, I hear tunes in words so I would make it ,
" I slam. You slam. We all slam on Islam. "
This way I could write 4/4 with it.

108 reaganite  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:35:00pm

#96 Havoc
That's it!

109 OlderNWiser  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:39:01pm

Didn't the FBI just arrest a woman for posting death threats against Michael Schivao and Judge Greer on an AOL forum?

110 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:39:31pm

#107, justdanny

They say
jihad's
an inner struggle

But I
don't give
a
flying fuggle

Burkha slave

111 MootPoint  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:40:55pm

cafe press is definitely lefty/lib. they flat out refused to sell my "Bomb a Mosque if You Love Bush!" t-shirt. the bastards.

112 ajackson  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:44:17pm

Cafe Press carries a lot of left and right wing merchandise. But advocating the assasination of an American President crosses the line (I'd think that it crossed a legal line, but IANAL). Anyway, lets contact their partners on the right (many conservative blogs - on the CafePress site, see 'Politics and Activism' -> Pro-Bush). If I was selling stuff through CafePress, I'd find a NEW vendor.

113 Dianna  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:44:33pm

#100 Adrenalyn

Ann dodged the pie, unless there's been another. On the other hand, they did get Bill Crystal, and David Horowitz. And no, they didn't do a thing to the perpetrators.

By the bye, Willie must have known in advance. It was the only time I ever saw him wearing anything but a Wilkes-Bashford suit and a very nice hat - that day, he was in jeans, a windbreaker, and a baseball cap.

Interesting, isn't it?

114 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:46:52pm

women
never
should agree

to live
in muslim
Tyranny

Burkha slave

115 justdanny  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:50:57pm

#110 Dar ul Harb

Cool

116 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:51:16pm

terror
masters
of Iran

someday
the fit
will hit
the shan

Burkha slave

117 Spiny Norman  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:51:21pm

#71 Mentat

No one expects the Saudi Inquisition!


What the fuck's a Doudou?

118 GeeWiz  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:52:00pm

#65 lowandslow
re: #50 hs

He doesn't think for himself. He lets the MSM do it for him. They (the MSM) see the black and avoid the white. He does not have the intellectual curiousity to seek a white. Your protestations are in vain. He will just spout more MSM bu**sh*t to support his position. After all, his bs is spouted in the MSM every day. There comes a time to say enough with this moonbat and move on.

119 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:54:20pm

Afghans
were first
Iraq
is free

Syria
lets make
it three

Burkha slave

120 Ol' Southern Boy  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 5:55:29pm

As a counter to Cafe Press's t-shirt, IMAO has another great t-shirt for sale: "Top Ten UN Slogans."

121 Yanke Diver  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:02:55pm

I have sent my protest to Cafe Press & informed them that I am calling the FBI.

Get after them Lizeroids!

122 Globular Cluster  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:03:02pm

Isn't advocating for the assassination of the President a criminal offense?

123 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:11:10pm

jihadi loves
inflated scrote

says it's
"just like
my pet goat"

Burkha slave

(don't say I didn't warn you!)

124 lowandslow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:14:20pm

A similar one just posted by Hinderaker on Powerline about an art exhibit at the Columbia Collage in Chicago. The so called art is titled "Patriot Act". Just as bad as the T-shirt.

125 tigger2005  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:18:33pm

Fair's fair! They did make those two "Kill Bill" movies!
/out of touch moonbat off

126 Havoc  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:20:39pm

www.Blackfive.net

Dear Mat:

Please circulate the latest bit of despicable capitalism among the military Blogs

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You might ask those serving in the U.S. military to e-mail and write the latest round of Venture Capital funders for CafePress.com at Sequoia Partners with the latest despicable T-Shirt advocating the murder of the President.

Since those on the Board make policy, it may help them to understand from the folk fighting to protect their a$$e$ it may be bad for business, all their businesses, to hawk product that openly advocates the Murder of the President.

CafePress.com Board member, Douglas M. Leone leone@sequoiacap.com

e-mail list for the Partners at Sequoia Partners

[Link: www.sequoiacap.com...]

Menlo Park Address
3000 Sand Hill Road
Bldg. 4, Suite 180
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Telephone: 650/854 3927
Fax: 650/854 2977

Israel Address
50 Ramat-Yam Street
Oceanos Hotel, Herzlia
Israel 46851
Telephone: +972-9-957-9440
Fax: +972-9-957-9443

BTW - Philip Monego is also on the CafePress.com Board, he also sits on the Board of Applied Materials And Semagix who are hawking product to the Department of Homeland Security Just Google Applied Materials and Semigix for e-mail addresses and Be sure to CC: the Department of Homeland Security

BTW - Steve Blank is also on the CafePress Board. He Teaches "Entreprenuership" at the Haas School of Business U.C. Berkeley [Link: www.haas.berkeley.edu...]

Be sure to CC: former Republican Congressman Tom Campbell,

Dean of Haas School at UC Berkeley

127 lowandslow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:22:07pm

Trying to do a link to "Patriot Act"powerline

128 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:25:46pm

Didn't Republicans come out with "Kill Roosevelt. Save America and the rest of the world" T-shirts during WWII?


I think this means we can now officialy question the Lefts patriotism.

129 anshnd  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:27:04pm

Hey, they make them easier to "spot the idiot" and point to "Loser, loser"

130 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:29:12pm

#80 Beagle

LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

"True Lies" ?

131 foreign devil  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:40:00pm

FBI Tip Link:

[Link: tips.fbi.gov...]

132 Stop Hillary  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:42:42pm

Since the 9th Circuit has made this fashionable, do you think they'd object if someone showed up at their Federal Courthouse with a "Kill Judge [insert name] and save the Constitution"?

133 foreign devil  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 6:54:47pm

#130 abolitionist:

Try "Human Cargo" (2004) which told a story of a young Afghani woman who is smuggled into the country, hooks up with a jihadi from back home (what's a poor girl to do--she gives him a file on disk) and in the end she gets smuggled into the US across the BC/Oregon border. It didn't pull many punches or whitewash the situation. The Afghani woman wasn't a poor victim (though she tried to play the part) and there was the liberal bleeding heart who falls for her. I won't tell you anymore.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

134 vero  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:13:49pm

How about a shirt that says "kill people who wears a kill Bush shirt" I can already hear the anti-Ameican left screaming bloody murder over this .

We quit going to S.F. 5 years ago. Used to be a great town to go to a baseball game or to see the 49er's. Not any more. Company I do consulting work for, is pulling out of California as it is impossible to do business there. Going to Tennessee and taking 43 jobs with them.

Rachel has it right, asshats indeed

135 mpj  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:14:14pm

I sent them this:

In regard to your "Kill Bush" T-shirt...
I am not the biggest fan of GWB, but I will never deal with a company that through its stock advocates the willful murder of a human, a sitting president, no less. Free speech defends the right of all men and women to say what they will, but it does not guarantee them a podium, a microphone, or a printing press. Free enterprizes such as yours have every right, and as humans I would say the moral imperitive, to refuse to stock such a disgusting item.

136 vero  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:19:01pm

CarolAnn Brown to turn over the names and phone numbers of all the artists

Ok, now how about some artwork showing CarolAnn Brown with a big 'ole hunting target over her forehead.

After all, artwork is artwork.

Is it not?

137 hithere  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:21:49pm

'Bush' is also governor of Florida. If the shirt were worn in Florida, would it be illegal? Using 'Bush refers to the president, not he governor' as a defense could lead to more serious charges.

138 mpj  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:24:46pm

Having read a few of the comments above, some clarification on the Right to Free Speech seems in order.

As highlighted in my email to CafePress, the right to free speech means you are free to say what you want, under the truism that every kid understands... "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me".

But, and its a big but, that most of America, and even many Lizzardoids seem not to understand, the right to free speech is not the right to the means of broadcasting your speech. No privately owned organisation has any duty whatsoever to support a message with which it does not agree. Cafe Press has every right to refuse to carry that PoS, and no one could claim a breech of the right to free speech.

Say what you want, by all means, scream at the top of your lungs a la Al Gore, but don't expect me to give you a microphone, and don't whinge when I use MY microphone (podium, printing press, Blog) to drown out your idiocy with a rational counter-message.

139 sixstringslinger  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:25:56pm

"When did this kind of insane hatred masquerading as “political discourse” become a mainstream, respectable—even marketable—way to express an opinion?"...

...When? I'll tell you when. When Al Gore tried to steal the election in 2000 and failed. These lousy sons-of-bitches haven't gotten over it since. In fact the hatred's only intesified over time. God almighty these people are fucking nuts.

140 our gal sal  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:27:32pm

#80 beagle

Well, "Siege" toed the PC line, but I think reactions to it have changed.

It came out in the late '90s. Back then, we were supposed to get all exercised b/c the evil over-stepping military (Bruce Willis) rounds up all the young men of the Islamic persuasion, including Tony Shalloub's son and corrals them in a stadium, because of terrorists acts.

Have to admit, watching it now, that sounds like a plan to me...And yes, I hate it that they've given us no choice but to think that...

Heck, I don't even find the Middle Eastern violence in Indiana Jones amusing anymore.

141 hithere  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:34:33pm

With regard to the Chicago Sun-Times link, Secret Service visits art show at Columbia: Why is the article written by the Sun-Times, "Federal Courts Reporter"? There is no mention of courts or the law or law suits? There's just one sentence about free speech.

142 thibaud  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:55:45pm

"[Hernandez] refused to talk about the 2001 incident, when he was suspected of being involved in a fake anthrax stamp that shut down an area of Chicago's main post office. Hernandez and another Chicago artist routinely sent fake stamps through the mail, then sold them for thousands of dollars."

See, it's all about free speech.

143 A.L.T.  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 7:57:18pm

#106 MJ
What's reeeally scary is that the Libune-I mean TRIBune is considered to be Chicago's CONSERVATIVE paper!
///choke.gag.

144 zulubaby  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 8:22:39pm

Dar ul Harb, outstanding!

145 hm  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 8:59:22pm

#17 orson

Imagine the hard time you'd get if you wore "Kill Hillary", or "Gore Al", or "Sharpton must Die!" .


Indeed. Arguing that it shouldn't be allowed to sell such T-shirts is much harder than simply letting those who wear them know how you feel about that.

146 gymnast  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 9:05:20pm

#145, hm. My Man, the Reverand Al said he don't mind about the Tee shirts as long as he gets 10% of the gross, top billing, and the ad liturature mentions that he is a leading Presidential Candidate.

147 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 9:25:13pm
148 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 9:27:04pm
149 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 10:04:53pm
150 Rayra[deleted]  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 10:08:07pm
151 Timbre  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 10:38:51pm

Someone may have already pointed this out, but, on the stamp, the handgun is not a "revolver," as written by the Federal Courts Reporter.

152 Sponging House  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 10:52:35pm

#69

Click around. That messenger bag is from a site which carries both Kerry- and Bush-bashing gear, none of which is very funny. The "Kill" message is obviously worse that anything they say about Kerry, but the fact remains that they're equal-opportunity idiots.

I don't think you can lay that one at the feet of the liberals.

153 Egfrow  Tue, Apr 12, 2005 10:55:56pm

Ya know,

The words Kill or Killed appear in the Majority of CafePress's under that catagory.

Kill Bush Kills Killed

154 hrun0815  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 3:44:25am

I wonder if everyone here who is so outraged at this example of free speech (or incitement to violence) is equally outraged at the countless examples of incitement to violence (or advocacy of murder) on this message board. Do you report all these posters that suggest holocaust deniers should be killed to your local FBI filed office?

Let's face it, it's a lame shirt, advocating a lame position, just like many posts are lame, advocating lame positions. But all of them seem to be equally protected.

155 Um...what's your theory again?  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 4:19:07am

#154 hrun0815

You are wrong. Public incitements to panic, riot, violence and murder are not protected by the First Amendment.

Since you seem to be having trouble telling the differences between comments on a blog and a T-Shirt, I will point out the following:

The T-shirt is, presumably, worn in public where anyone might see it.

Comments on a free blog, while "public", must be actively sought out by their audience.

156 Cornholio  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 5:14:52am
The agents asked what the artists meant by their work and wanted museum director CarolAnn Brown to turn over the names and phone numbers of all the artists.

Unfortunately this just plays into the hands of the talentless "artists" who gain free publicity and an edgy reputation as "controversial" and "edgy" artists.

157 pdotfu  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 5:49:54am

133 foreign devil, you forgot a large landmass called Washington state. There is no BC/Oregon border.

158 HDrepub  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 6:11:16am
on the stamp, the handgun is not a "revolver," as written by the Federal Courts Reporter.

Most el cubos don't know the difference.

159 William  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 7:42:50am
LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

Perhaps this one:

Dirty War (2004)
[Link: www.dvdtown.com...]
 

160 crabtree  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 7:49:01am

Everyone knows that LLL incitement to violence is just a "joke" or art or free speech. It's only those mean right-wing talk show hosts that REALLY incite violence against minorities and gays and ROPers.

161 NoHoKev  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 8:04:48am

Of course all of these "offending" links have magically disappeared now. Kinda like they were never there?

Hey, Secret Service,

Prosecute everyone of these bastards to the fullest extent of the law!

and you have our blessing.

162 zulubaby  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 8:07:14am
LGF'ers help me out. Can anyone think of even one film which hasn't towed the dhimmi-PC line on Islam?

The one that Theo van Gogh produced. What was the name of it again? Submission, I think?

163 smill1953  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 8:11:28am

well, the t-shirt is no longer on the website, but the "Kill Bush" button is...
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

164 RWS  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 8:17:09am

Don't take it out on ALL CafePress sites.

There are some good ones that try to counter the leftie crap
- including it's #1 shop: RightWingStuff.com

165 cary  Wed, Apr 13, 2005 9:00:25am

smill1953:

Gone too. All of the links posted thus far now go to Pro Bush items.


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