No relation to reality!
(((:~Oالله

The last thing we want is them to be sexually aroused?

I keep saying this today, but PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE.

This actually clears a lot of things up for me.They hope through wishes and terror to alter reality and enslave humanity.
Eradicate this vile cult,fater please

I'm speechless.

.

I have no relation to reality.

Well, at least he knows that much.

Offtopic

MURDER OF WHITE GIRL BY MUSLIMS IGNORED BY MEDIA

Britain's heavy controlled Politically Correct mass media continue to ignore one of the most unpleasant cases of suspected racist murder - which probably involved gang rape as well. 14-year-old Charlene Downes is believed by Blackpool police to have been turned into kebabs and tile grout after her disappearance in November 2003. Two Muslim men - one a former social worker - have been charged with her murder or with assisting in the disposal of her body.

The combination of murder, the appalling likelihood that scores of unwitting customers actually ate Charlene,

[Link: pcwatch.blogspot.com...]

Islam and Mainstream Media in action.

"Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it."

No shit, Sherlock. And you're doing a fine job of it.

"I have no relation to reality". Well, that's for sure.

Pigs.

(If there are any actual swine online, I apologize.)

how about then that we castrate single muslim males over thirty as well. same logic

#6 Trumpeter

Oh.My.G-d.

I'm going to be in London soon. Yay!

Anyone notice the two draped women in the background? I wonder what they're thinking.

/I think I read somewhere that Iran has genitally mutilated something like 75+% of its women.

//And one other thing...where are all the faminists when you need them?

And not one peep out of N.O.W. concerning this torture.

I don't have a link, but the BBC recently interviewed one of their own staff, a woman responsible for the gross over-reporting on a black victim of a racist murder and the virtual ignoring of the racist murder of a white victim.

And one of her justifications for the under-reporting on the white victim?

"The murder happened on a weekend."

#10 - Second that emotion.

#9 tompain
Apology accepted. no hard feelings.

This makes me physically ill, truly.

Looks like he's been circumsized, starting from the neck upwards.

Isn't he the spitting image of Curly Howard?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I have no relation to reality.

we know.

It also makes me physically ill. I am sending this link to my students over the age of 18.

There he is, wearing a western shirt, a western suit, a western tie and a western watch, gestures with a western pen, sits in a western chair while being interviewed by a woman in western garb under a western television on a medium invented and perfected in the west ...

and warns against allowing western influence to sneak into his world.

I have no relation to reality.

Can't fool me. You're part of the reality based community™. Whether you realize it or not.

Not just a muslim thing...
look at kenya..

Reporter's Notebook: Female Circumcision in Africa
Kristin Whiting
National Geographic Today
February 19, 2002

Circumcising young girls is a practice that dates back beyond anyone's memory in Kenya. Even though the Kenyan government recently banned the practice, parents are still risking jail terms and heavy fines to put their daughters through this rite of passage. More than a third of women in Kenya between the ages of 15 and 49 have been subjected to some form of genital circumcision. It is clear that the tradition will be difficult to eradicate.

National Geographic Today traveled to Kenya in December because it is the traditional month for circumcision ceremonies. Our intention was to travel southwest of Nairobi to Kisii where we know the practice of these rites of passage still flourish. Although 38 percent of Kenyan women have been circumcised, in Kisii that figure rises to 97 percent.

Truthfully, I can't see how we can share a planet with these "people", much less a genus. It's almost like listening to Dr. Mengele lecture about eugenic research and its spinoffs, like lamp shade design.

Yeesh!

#6 Trumpeter:

Oh
My
God.

Send an e-mail to Charles about this.

We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused. Circumcision Castration of the girls men who need it makes them chaste, dignified, impotent, and pure.

Seems like the problem is the men in a constant, perverted sexually aroused state.

Another demonstration that we're dealing with friggin' animals.

22 Jheka

IIRC, back in 1980 or so, Fallaci interviewed Khomeni, and asked about all of the Western things that they use, such as the air conditioner. His answer was something along the lines of "these are the good things from the West". In other words, he wants the stuff, but not the ideas that made the stuff possible. And certainly not the Jews who made some of the ideas that made the stuff possible.

I have no relation to reality. I am talking about how things should be.

Wow - sounds like the left.

#22 Jheka,

What he's talking about are the quaint Western customs of not mutilating little girls. Also not stoninge adulteresses, killing gays, and, most likely, our custom of not, ahem, abusing barnyard animals.

In other words, he's willing to dress like us, but it is a bit much to expect this savage to behave in a civillized manner.

It's not the clothes that makes the man, it is the man who makes the clothes.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, that courageous Somali-Dutch MP who produced the film 'Submission' with the murdered Theo van Gogh and who campaigns against Islam apparently also suffered genital mutilation.

All Muslim MEN (radical and more) should be castrated.

I mean - that is how it should be!

In a perfect world blessed by the goodness and light - all Muslim men would have no balls and no teeth.

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan, the Timothy Leary of the Muslim world

#13 obscured by clouds

Where are the feminists?

They're too busy worrying about real problems, like not enough women CEO's, or making Math a more feminine, rather than masculine subject in schools.

You know, the real problems. They could never interfere with third world cultures that have their beautiful rituals and traditions, untarnished by Western civilization, such as slicing up women's genitals.

#34 Paul

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan, the Timothy Leary of the Muslim world

It's worse. Leary just wanted to escape from reality. This guy wants to destroy it. I suppose if you give acid to a muslim, you should expect that.

Muslim men prefer camels, goats, sheep and little boys; they are terrified of a good old fashion, peel the paint, wreck the bed, wrinkle the sheets act of sexual intercourse with a real live woman.

#24 Josiah

What's your point?

Sure, the Masai still practice FGM, but they don't put on suits and ties and go on satellite TV trying to justify their primitivism with specious arguments. They also don't pack up, move into the middle of western, modern communities and try to establish enclaves from which to spread the culture of Masai primitivism.

Beware relativism.

#33 FrogMarch,

In a perfect world someone would have strangled the Pedophile Prophet in his crib, and there would be no Muslims.

Note the difference: I'm not saying that there would be no Arabs, only that the Death Cult that is Islam would have never been founded.

And the World
Would be a better place
for you
and me...

Posted on the other thread, but germane:

Scroll down a little more, and you come to British Research Proves Holy Stone of Ka'ba to be a Semi-Conductor from Outer Space

Karnar from NASA took one piece of the stone from the British Museum. He charged it with a million telephone wires, yet the stone withstood it. He charged it with 100 million telephone wires, yet the stone withstood it. This piece of stone was the size of a chickpea. He found that this stone emits invisible radiation. He found that a stone the size of a chickpea emits 100 rays. Each ray can pass through 10,000 people.

Oh no! They're on to the Jewish hair-ray secret!

People with mentalities like this have me leaning toward shoot first, ask questions never.

All Muslim MEN (radical and more) should be castrated.

I mean - that is how it should be!

In a perfect world blessed by the goodness and light - all Muslim men would have no balls and no teeth.

Not sure about here or anywhere else in the world, but the vast majority of rapes in Brazil are committed by Arab men...
most likely because of the contrast between the forced modesty of the arab world and, uh Brasil...

And 9 out of 10 "Progressive" women will probably voice their support for the Palestinians in their "struggle" to kill Israelis.

# 40 E2m

Was that an avergae chickpea or one of those really big chickpeas ? And if you wove 100 million telephone lines together, I would think you could moor the Starship Enterprise with the resulting cable. If not in fact Mars.

Charles, if you're checking in, could you PULEEEZE post a funny thread, something lighthearted and cheerful? An open thread with strict orders to NOT talk about anything serious? I don't know if I can take any more reality.

(Please tell me this is an April Fool's stunt! Ohpleaseohplease oplease!)

#44 rayra

Every one of us should be forwarding this type of information to every feminist and woman's organization we know of, every time. Flood them in this information. Sway their support. Or at least mash their hypocrisy in their faces.

The latter. There never were about women, and certainly not about helpless women.

#24 Josiah

What's your point?

Sure, the Masai still practice FGM, but they don't put on suits and ties and go on satellite TV trying to justify their primitivism with specious arguments. They also don't pack up, move into the middle of western, modern communities and try to establish enclaves from which to spread the culture of Masai primitivism.

Beware relativism.

just that its common to more than one primitive, barbaric culture...

This kind of talk about female sexual desire in the Arab world has been around for years. These very sentiments. Every time the subject comes my way I spend a day being ill until I can somehow, someway, get onto other thoughts.

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

This has got to be the apogee of insanity.

Islam was designed to eliminate the human race.

Islam is psycho-social, psycho-sexual, and metaphysical cancer.

The entire strain of this virulent life form must be fully eradicated from Earth.

I have given my comments on female genital mutilation in a previous thread.
This practice is against God and nature.

These sub-humans will kill us all if we don't kill all of them.

ALL of them.

It's that cut and dried, folks.

And THIS is why I have zero respect for the National Organization for Women and other "progressive" groups (including most gay rights groups). It is the neocons that they continually condemn and seek to bring down that speak out for the the victims of these hateful barbarians. NOW and other leftist front groups care more about fighting against the people who want to help victims than they ever have or will care about the victims themselves. They would leave innoocents to the wolves, to be literally maimed, murdered and enslaved in their millions, if it would gain them cheap political victories.

Iron Fist

I agree. We all know what kind of a religion it is... Women are servants, wives can be murdered if they look at their husbands the wrong way, gays tortured and killed, children raped and mutilated, young girls mutilated, women covered in shame and are second class, death to infidels, death to all non-believers, death to those who convert to any other religion, death to the Jew!...

What I don't get is that sooooo many liberals want to apologize and protect this pathetic death cult sham.

oh wait - that last item on the list explains clearly the left's love affair with radical Islam.

#45 Mike C.

Last week I hooked 100 million telephone lines up a chickpea.

It called a falafel place in Lahore and ordered hummus.

ALL of them.

It's that cut and dried, folks.

Sorry. Not up for genocide, period.

The following is a statement from former hostage Jill Carroll:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

I'm so happy to be free and am looking forward to spending a lot of time with my family. I want to express my deep appreciation to all the people who worked so long and hard for my release. I am humbled by the sympathy and support expressed by so many people during my kidnapping.

In the past few days, the U.S. military and officials have been extremely generous, and I am grateful for their help. Throughout this ordeal, many U.S. agencies have committed themselves to bringing me safely home.

My colleagues at The Christian Science Monitor have worked ceaselessly to secure my release, and worked with security consultants to do so. Many other news organizations, both inside and outside of Iraq, as well as many officials from Iraq and other countries, worked hard to bring about my freedom.

So many people around the world spoke out on my behalf.

Thank you, all of you.

During my last night of captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me they would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and I wanted to go home alive. So I agreed.

Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends _ all those around the world _ who have prayed so fervently for my release _ through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.

I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be broadcast or aired on television, and they broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn't threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.

Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: One, that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and two, that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither statement is true.

I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy _ to discovering the truth _ and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.

Now, I ask for the time to heal. This has been a taxing 12 weeks for me and for my family. Please allow us some quiet time alone, together.

_ Jill Carroll

The following is a statement from Richard Bergenheim, editor of The Christian Science Monitor:

The Monitor wants to add its gratitude to everyone who is helping Jill return home. You know she's on her way. In addition we want to thank again all those in the Iraqi press who have been tireless in their campaign for Jill's release; we wish to thank the politicians, sheiks, and clerics in Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and other countries who have spoken out as well. And we need to thank all the citizens of Iraq, regular people like you and me, who continue to speak out strongly as well. We are in debt to far too many people to thank them all. Jill will be home soon. As she writes, it is a time for healing. Let the healing begin. Thank you

And THIS is why I have zero respect for the National Organization for Women and other "progressive" groups (including most gay rights groups).

Actually they have a new cause that is the rage on all elite expensive LLL universities. The new thing is to boycott Coke, including removing all Coke machines from the campus'. Something about a death in Columbia, but I really can't quite figure out what they are bitching about.

And here Coke thought they were fine as long as they pay protection money to Jesse Jackson.

# 53 tompain

Did the humus guy get there in 30 minutes, or was it free ?

#46, 44, 47

Bob's Kid, surely you knew of this?

Rayra, feminists do actually get involved in this and do what they can do put a stop to it. It's incredibly hard because the practice is so ingrained, many of the societies that engage in it are so primitive that outsiders who tell them to do different have little chance of being believed, and it's frequently done right at home or nearby by village specialists, not doctors. In some cases it pre-dates Islam or exists entirely independently of Islam (although Islam has found it very handy to adapt).

#54 Bob's Kid

I second that. The brainwashed can be deprogrammed. It'll take time, but it can be done.

45 Mike C.

Was that an avergae chickpea or one of those really big chickpeas ? And if you wove 100 million telephone lines together, I would think you could moor the Starship Enterprise with the resulting cable.

You asked for it.

Telephone wires are generally #28 AWG. which are .0126" diameter, not uncluding insulation. the square root of 100 million is 10,000, so the diameter of the bundle, without insulation, would be 126", or 10½ feet. Double that for insulated. Big honkin' cable.

Do You Want Human Flesh With That?

[Link: rottypup.com...]

Girl's body "was put in kebabs":

[Link: groups.google.com...]

The story seems older than April Fools day.

Do we have to invoke the 48h rule?

#57 Mike C.

It wasn't a guy. It was this horny spinster chick in a jilbab. She's still here. I'm deprogramming her.

"Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it."

I...

Uh...

Damn, now I'm going on this topic.

A little frank discussion between friends here, okay?

All the NOW-bashers here, I want to know what political conservatives or western church groups have ever done about this. What Republican first lady has made it a cause? Feminists who have spoken out against this are the same people whom Rush Limbaugh dismisses as nazis who were too ugly to get a date.

Where NOW types ignore the danger of Islam in general and conservatives laugh off the women's movement, I think these (butchered) women have fallen victim to a sinister dovetailing of interests . . . or lack of interest.

talk about "keep your laws off my body" ...
Where is the establishment American leftist feminist outrage over the mutilation of these young girls?

*crickets*

oh and maybe my post 33 was too strong. Lets just castrate Dr. Muhammad Wahdan for starters. Just in the name of fairness.

OT (sorry if already posted):

Carroll Rejects Statements Made in Iraq

In a video, recorded before she was freed and posted by her captors on an Islamist Web site, Carroll spoke out against the U.S. military presence. But Carroll said the recording was made under threat. Her editor has said three men were pointing guns at her at the time.

"During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me I would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. So I agreed," she said in a statement read by her editor in Boston.

"Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not."

Jheka

They (leftist feminists) would leave innoocents to the wolves, to be literally maimed, murdered and enslaved in their millions, if it would gain them cheap political victories.

Indeed.

#10 wiley

how about then that we castrate single muslim males over thirty as well. same logic

loony islamic logic! applied to the loony islamic loons! it's perfect! where can i donate?

#58 squarepeg

feminists do actually get involved in this and do what they can do put a stop to it.

I haven't seen any evidence of that. All I ever hear out of the feminist groups is a lot of surreal doctrine about "the patriarchy", and how the sixth amendment shouldn't apply to men accused of domestic violence.

If there are smaller, less well known organizations trying to work this issue, great, but the well-known national organizations with access to the media are silent. And if they can't work the issue there directly, they certainly can get some leverage by raising awareness of it here. And they chose not to, and instead, align themselves with groups who appoligise for this kind of activity.

The criticism is specifically leveled at NOW, and other well-known, well-connected, and well-endowed organizations who are absolutely silent on this, and generally politically allied with the islamists.

Okay, I'm going to assume a "telephone wire" (one strand, no insulation), is 1 mm in diameter. I'm going to further assume that you could pack 5 of them into 6 square mm. Those are assumptions, but work with me here. ((100 million/5)*6)=120 million square mm. = 120 square meters. Did I do that right ? Must have been the Mother of all Chickpeas.

Good Idea Bob's Kid.

A little male genitalia humor for you all..

http://www.zipperfish.net/free/zhorts/zhort1.php

#55 LSD
Thanks for posting that.

Multiculturalism is partially to blame, as well as the "our culture is no better than theirs, who are we to criticize, we'll just ask nicely" crowd.

The British put an end to suttee (the immolation of Hindu widows on their husband's pyres) by edit. Yes, it was imperialistic, but it led to the end of that part of the culture.

I can't see Islam voluntarily changing. Those in power have no advantage or interest in doing so.

Okay, then. I was in "angry orbit" for a bit there. I apologize. BK is right.

I have gotten a handle on my anger, and I'll ask:

What do we use as a litmus test?

Because, sure as hell, the one way to tell the ones that shouldn't be allowed to roam free involves the death of innocents.

(Unless, of course, they are consumed in an Islamic militant "work accident".)

I'm not up for young girls (or anyone else) being savaged by these creeps as a litmus indicator.

Suggestions?

#55 LSD

hmmmph....I should read be4 I post :)

It's a bit of a relieve to know that Jill Carroll is actually sane and not insane as I thought.

Frog...
No, your post #33 was not too strong. But I'm confused. They actually have BALLS?

Bob's Kid, surely you knew of this?

FGM? Oh yes, I am painfully aware of it. I've a friend who was visiting her mother's tribe (Uganda) when she was a little girl was taken with a sister to have it done. When her father got wind of what was going on he rushed to save them, but got there too late. They had finished with the sister and were just starting with my friend. She spent months in a British hospital recovering after it became infected and she almost died.

Unfortunately, I know more about it than I like.

#55 LSD

And it comes out on April 1. I'm witholding judgement.

#74 blackrabbit

I do have a suggestion. Address issue of Islam's effect on the humanity with every Muslim you know. Do the same with every non-Muslim apologist for Islam. Don't let them off the hook. In my experience, your family will begin to regard you as an embarrasment, but it's the only way I can live with myself. Speak up.

#64 squarepeg:

MANY here on LGF and others among neocons have been saying that the views of leftists and paleocons like Buchanan have dovetailed. That the political spectrum is a circle, not a line. First ladies? I don't care. I do know that America has done more for women worldwide in the last several years than we have ... in spite of the efforts of leftists like NOW, who did everything that they could to keep America from interfering with the Islamist thugs ... than we ever have.

Hopefully, we can manage to keep it up. Again, in spite of both the leftists and the paleocons.

Oh my God...two rotating title candidates in one item!

I have no relation to reality.

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

And I haven't even watched the video clip yet!

The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal.

Maybe I'm getting too technical, but isn't it possible that some of the Spinsters may have received marriage proposals, but turned them down? If turning down a marriage proposal isn't an option, than why would a man even need to propose?

#73 Goddessoftheclassroom

Multiculturalism is partially to blame, as well as the "our culture is no better than theirs, who are we to criticize, we'll just ask nicely" crowd.

Sometimes I don't know whether multiculturism causes this attitude, or whether it was invented to justify this attitude. I don't know where multiculturism came from. It certainly wasn't around 20 years ago. It just showed up, and took over. I'm sure it's possible to research it's roots, and find it's founders, but I don't believe that it was ever an end in itself, I believe that it was always designed to be a club to beat Western civilization with.

And conveniently, it's also an excuse for barbarism.

Interviewer: Do you have daughters?

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I don't have any daughters. I wish I did.

Yeah, I'll bet you do, you pervert.

E2M

It's part of the whole relativism mindset. I love the look om my 8th graders' faces when they say, "Nothing is good or bad; it depends" and I reply, "Oh, yes, there are some things that are evil and always wrong."

However, there is hope that this "it depends" lense is cracking. Students are finding it hard to respect a culture that is so destructive. They can be open-minded about food, celebrations, and traditions, but not about accepted reasons for murder.

#52 FrogMarch,

One correction. It is Death to America! Death to the Jews!

That is why the L³eft allies itself with the Islamofascists. We are the Great Satan in their cosmology. Israel is the Lesser Satan.

The L³eft conflate the two, depending on whichever bolsters their prejudices more. At times, the Jews control America, at others Israel is an American cat's paw.

Like the Muslims, if reality doesn't conform to their predispositions, then reality is wrong, and must be changed.

I don't know if there is a clinical term for this disorder, but insanity is somewhat like obscenity. Sometimes you can't define it, but you know it when you see it.

These people, both the Muslims and the L³eft, are stark, raving mad.

Don't expect American or European feminists to be critical of people like Dr. Wahdan--they won't say a word. Feminists consider criticizism of Muslim culture to be a form of racism that plays into the hands of right wingers with an anti-Islamic agenda.

They've given the Islamofascists a free pass.

#64 squarepeg:

The ostensible purpose of feminist groups is to support the cause of women's rights. The onus is far, far more on them to be making this a front-and-center issue than on any First ladies, or talk show hosts (who actually have been talking about this), or any of the other groups that you mentioned.

You're doing a variation on moral equivelence. If you're going to go around claiming to exist for the purpose of women's rights, you'd better at least give lip service to the most helpless of women. And stop aligning yourselves with the appoligists for the abusers.

#69 earth2moonbat

FYI, Gloria Steinem publicized it and promoted Nawal El Saadawi, a famous victim of the practice, back in the early 1970s.

As for NOW's "silence," try this.

I'm no fan of Steinem or NOW or mainstream western feminist groups, but I'm just sayin'.

MANY here on LGF and others among neocons have been saying that the views of leftists and paleocons like Buchanan have dovetailed. That the political spectrum is a circle, not a line.

That's a favorite subject of mine. I believe the far right and far left really aren't all that different.

Both are into conspiracy theories, such as the WTC and Pentagon weren't really attacked by hijacked airplanes.

A good example is which groups have singled out Israel, the Jewish state, to hate and attack.

Left wing Protestant churches and David Duke are on the same page here.

IslmoFacists and LLL in the U.S. are both against the liberation of Afganistan and Iraq. Left winger Mikey Moore made a movie showing how happy the kids were, out there flying their kites, under the facist Hussien regime.

#86 Goddessoftheclassroom

However, there is hope that this "it depends" lense is cracking. Students are finding it hard to respect a culture that is so destructive. They can be open-minded about food, celebrations, and traditions, but not about accepted reasons for murder.

Certain things are universal. Certain things don't need to be explained. And when people start rationalizing murder, it's 1939. And we're in Germany. But that'll never happen in the American culture, because we are believers in certain absolute truths.

Here is a link to a Western Islamic women's advocacy group that opposes FGM, honor killings, sharia' law, and the 2nd class status granted to women in Islamic culture. Link to Islam America

Prophet Mohammed, sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam, was mocked and assaulted because of his strong and courageous stance on the status of women. He came with a message that lifted women up and gave them dignity. Fourteen hundred years later, we have descended back into the dark pit of Jahiliya, and Muslim women around the world find themselves cast into the same slavery that the Prophet, sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam, was sent to liberate them from.

It does not make you a "radical feminist" to decry honor killings and volunteer for peaceful campaigns to educate and change laws. Raising your voice against Female Genital Mutilation does not mean you want to "undermine Islam." To the contrary, working against these injustices in the way of Allah is a manifestation of the desire to uplift Islam and the Muslim people.

You go girl.

#55 LSD,

Thanks for posting that. I'm glad she set the record straight once she was out of harm's way. I don't know what I would have done in her situation, but likely I would have done the same thing. I'd have been choking on every word, and would have (as she has) set the record straight as quickly as possible.

There's no question that there are traitors among us, but this lady doesn't appear to be one of them. I thank G-d that she made it out alive, and wish her a speedy recovery from what has to be a hugely traumatic episode in her life.

To add to my #91

Same thing in the U.S. in 1939-1941.

Pro-Hitler Bund (I think that's how it's spelled) and communists both opposed any American involvment in Europes war.

Of course the left changed their tune after Hitler turned on Stalin,

#90 squarepeg

That's neat that there's a reference on a website, but you'll never, never, hear any of that taught in a "women's studies" class. Only how the patriarchy is controlling the neocons (or was it the other way around), who are exploiting these poor muslims, and their beautiful culture, yadda, yadda....

#90 square peg:

A Google search?!? Work a little harder, please.

Here is the bottom line: NOW has done everything in its power to elect leaders in America who would do nothing whatsoever to help the most powerless, oppressed and abused people on this earth. That is a fact. I don't see you even trying to refute it.

There is something pathetic and deeply, deeply WRONG about a group that is so fearful of female sexuality. I'm sure many a PhD dissertation could be devoted to this topic - if the candidate could get the proposal past the review committee, that is.

#98 Nonnie:
Well, that and survive the fatwas.

#89 earth

Our posts are crossing over the wires.

By now you probably realize I'm not offering a blanket defense of NOW et. al. It's too bad they fall into this moral blindness, bashing the people (like us) who want to wipe out Islamofascism.

But don't be extreme in your criticism of them. I heard a Lesbian feminist in a discussion group YEARS ago telling some multi-culti apologists, "Culture shmulture, if you cut off someone's clitoris when they're 12 years old it's wrong." She wore a yellow triangle (like the kind gays had to wear in concentration camps to ID themselves as deviants) as a badge of honor and generally made no secret of her leanings. She was the kind of person who is often dismissed at a glance by ranting righties--and come now, we do have them.

#70 Mike C.

If Earth2moonbat's #60 is correct at .0126" diameter per wire:

.0126 X 100,000,000=
1,260,000 square inches= 3.14 X r² (the formula for the area of a circle)

r²= 401,273
r=633 inches
r=52 feet

#99 Jheka

Well, presumably the fatwa would be issued AFTER the paper was written. Then the challenge would be to rid the world of such devil's work. So, once the author was dispatched to the fiery regions where all infidel insulters of the ROP(MA) go, it would be time to "persuade" the university to divest itself of any copies of the work. And, givne the way things go in academia these days, that task would be pretty easy.

/moi, cynical?

The left (and this includes NOW) is sloooowly waking up to the threat of Islamofascism, thanks in large part to the cartoon Jihad and the Christian convert in Afghanistan. People I know who aren't exactly studious of world affairs but whom I know to lean pretty hard to the left have actually sat up and taken notice.

BUT...(isn't there always one?), I don't think the left will ever get behind the issue simply because it doesn't serve their purposes to do so.

#97 jheka

A Google search is all the work that's necessary to refute the statement that NOW is "silent" on FGM.

I don't like NOW and I deplore "women's studies," but these hyperbolic charges don't help. If NOW called you up and said "I'm raising consciousness about--" you'd slam the phone in their ear before they could say "FGM." Sinister dovetailing of mutual lack of trust due to other associations or whatever.

Greetings, all!

This may have been posted, but it's worth mentioning again:

Defeating Jihad
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Serge Trifkovic, a former BBC commentator and US NEWS and World Report reporter. His last book was The Sword of the Prophet. The sequel, Defeating Jihad, will be published by Regina Orthodox Press in April. Read his commentaries on ChroniclesMagazine.org.
...........
Glazov: Give us a little more of your blueprint for victory.

Trifkovic: It is essential, let me repeat, to define and understand the enemy. Are Muslim terrorists - the only variety that seriously threatens the United States and the Western world - true or false to the tenets of their faith? The answer has to be based on Islam's history and dogma, not on any a priori judgment by those who presume to know the answer or, worse still, have ulterior motives for lying about Islam - e.g. Western converts to Islam who conceal their new names and their true loyalties. That straightjacket has to be discarded, and the public educated about the sacred texts of Islam, its record of interaction with other societies, and the personality of its founder, Muhammad. Such education will open the way to understanding the motives, ambitions and methods of terrorists. We need to know if terrorism is an aberration of Islam's alleged peace and tolerance, or a predictable consequence of the ideology of Jihad.

The second task is to survey the defenses. Both in America and in Europe the elite class deems such questions about the nature of Islam - illegitimate. On both sides of the ocean there also exists an elite consensus that de facto open immigration, multiculturalism, and the existence of a large Muslim diaspora within the Western world are to be treated as a fixed given and should not be scrutinized in any anti-terrorist debate. That imposed elite consensus, in my view, is morbid, ideological in nature, flawed in logic, dogmatic in application, and disastrous in results. It needs to be tested against evidence, not against the alleged norms of acceptable public discourse imposed by those who either do not know Islam, or else do not want us to know the truth about it.

An effective defense against terrorism demands a re-think of our foreign and military policies. Would American soldiers make America safer by patrolling the border with Mexico rather than the streets of Falluja? What are the costs and benefits of supporting the jihadist side in the Caucasus and the Balkans? Even more important is the issue of grand strategy. Pursuing the path of "benevolent global hegemony" is certain to take America the same way as Athens after Pericles and the USSR after Brzhnev. Above all, operational effectiveness must no longer be confused with strategy itself.

Entire article (well worth the read): [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

BTW, scrolling down the MEMRI site a little further, I found this really outstanding interview:

Syrian Poet Adonis: The Arabs Are Extinct, Like the Sumerians, Greeks, and Pharoahs. If the Arabs Are So Inept They Cannot Be Democratic, External Intervention Will Not Make Them Democratic

The Muslims today - forgive me for saying this - with their accepted interpretation [of the religious text] are the first to destroy Islam, whereas those who criticize the Muslims - the non-believers, the infidels, as they call them - are the ones who perceive in Islam the vitality that could adapt it to life. These infidels serve Islam better than the believers.

Muslim men prefer camels, goats, sheep and little boys; they are terrified of a good old fashion, peel the paint, wreck the bed, wrinkle the sheets act of sexual intercourse with a real live woman.

damn right. a close acquaintance dealt with many muslims during the first gulf war... said they're basically a bunch of pussies.

rather ironic, no?

Just google female genital mutilation. Most Egyptian women have it done. Many go to doctors now to prevent infection. While not the majority, many get the full blown, cut everything off/out, and sewn almost fully shut deal. On wedding nights, many a groom has to cut his wife open before he can get his jollies. To them, women included, it is a tradition and if you don't get it done, you are shunned and thought a whore. From the one site I read, this sort of thing goes back to the arab paganism but carried over into islam.

Here is one good thing out of Al-Azahar University.

Read more about him here.

100 squarepeg

I heard a Lesbian feminist in a discussion group YEARS ago telling some multi-culti apologists, "Culture shmulture, if you cut off someone's clitoris when they're 12 years old it's wrong." She wore a yellow triangle (like the kind gays had to wear in concentration camps to ID themselves as deviants) as a badge of honor and generally made no secret of her leanings. She was the kind of person who is often dismissed at a glance by ranting righties--and come now, we do have them.

And we have at least one lesbian on LGF who I'm aware of, and I like her a lot. She's got her head screwed on good and tight, and considers herelf to be a conservative. The bulk of the "neocons" here are completely fine with that. As for the few who aren't, well, it's Charles's blog, and he gets to be the bouncer. It's the left who's more unwelcoming of these iconoclastic people than the right, or at least the neocon right.

And for your information, when Charles introduced Tammy Bruce as a member of PJ media, I was saying glowing things about her. Most of us were. Big tent, you know.

#104 squarepeg:

Which "hyperbolic" charges have I leveled? Ever? Feel free to search LGF and make a list.

If NOW called me, I might keel over from surprise but you're doing a whole lot of, frankly, stupid assuming about my views. Has NOW ever called you saying that they were raising consciousness? Ever? Have they ever made a call to you or anyone else here that didn't ask the person to either give money or cast a vote for some Leftist?

Your google search doesn't prove diddly.

FACT: George Bush and people who agree in general with his foreign policy decisions are the greatest hope of the world's most oppressed women.

FACT: NOW has spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours to do everything that it could to remove people like Bush from power. NOW's efforts hurt women. If you think that this is a "hyperbolic charge" then refute it. Saying that it is doesn't make it so.

#85 sheepdogess

Yeah, I'll bet you do, you pervert.

HA! Thought the same thing at that moment.

#40 E2M

He found that this stone emits invisible radiation. He found that a stone the size of a chickpea emits 100 rays. Each ray can pass through 10,000 people

Well, that certainly explains the mental goo of islam. They're fried.

We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused...

'..and that's why I dress like this.'

Equality Now is a left-wing org that has been campaigning against FGM since their inception. They even have a publication called Awaken dedicated solely to the fight against FGM. The magazine is sometimes tedious reading -- a lot of talk about the business of trying to convince tribal elders why the practice is so detrimental to everyone, not just the girls, but the personal accounts are horrifying. I've been giving them money since 1993, even though I disagree with some of their politics, because this issue has been very important to me, and nobody else is even bothering to try to combat it on the world stage. They don't have to worry about BS "racism" charges from their fellow lefties either, because their campaign is global, and their actors in Africa are mostly African and frequently Muslim.

#104 squarepeg
#111 Jheka

THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN

THEY'RE UGLY, SMELLY AND DIRTY TOO..

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/26 /113857.shtml

#115 Tasty_Beverage:

Looks like a generally worthwhile organization. On a related note, as much as I loathe the NAACP in its present form, I am a fan of the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE).

#42 Josiah

Not sure about here or anywhere else in the world, but the vast majority of rapes in Brazil are committed by Arab men...

Check out all of the links in this Brussels Journal article. The majority of rapes in the Netherlands are also done by muslims.

# 35 Dayenu

When I came to this country, some 20 years ago, female genital mutilation was high on the feminist agenda. I remember Alice Walker's scathing book about it was being discussed right and left.
Since then, cultural relativism has won over common-sense feminism. That's why you find young women in college today saying they have no right, as white Americans, to say what's wrong in other cultures. It's all about our dastardly hegemonic Western culture....

40 earth2moonbat..."he charged it with a million telephone wires"! I am impress.- Thanks for the giggle.

#114

We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused...

Ahhhh....seems to me that aroused spinsters are the least of their problems.

Sigh....blame everything on the Jews, women and infidels. Sheesh! These guys are hopeless.

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

...

-my head a splode-

just another You Can't Make This Stuff Up™ moment

#117 Jheka

Thanks for the link to CORE. I'll get around to reading it later tonight, but their mission statement looked decent.

The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal

Gosh darnit. I'm a spinster.

Hang on - I had a marriage proposal but I said no. Am I still a spinster?

/Everyday thankful to be a westerner

Wonder where the old gal has been disappeared to by now?

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Sounds like my ex, before he got clean and sober.

Seriously - I wish I could be right there right now so I could kick this guy in the balls with steel-tipped boots. I think we should geld him. Better yet, I think we should geld all men who think this is a good idea. All of them. I'll be glad to help.

#110 Jheka

Calm down. I was not referring to you when I said "hyperbolic." I didn't want to use the word "extreme," but saying NOW is "silent," as earth2moonbat did, is simply inaccurate. Silent means silent. As in not one word. (Earth, don't get excited. I'm not holding it against you in any big way.) And Tasty pointed out above, Equality Now is another leftist organization that is doing something about FGM. The early feminists did bring to the fore numerous abuses of women around the world, at a time when conservatives dismisssed one-time Playboy bunny Steinem et. al. ugly--and dirty, smelly, dismissable, unnatural, and ungodly. Those same women's organizations have now, ironically, sickeningly, "moved on" to an overwhelmingly unworthy agenda.

FACT: George Bush and people who agree in general with his foreign policy decisions are the greatest hope of the world's most oppressed women.

FACT: NOW has spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours to do everything that it could to remove people like Bush from power. NOW's efforts hurt women. If you think that this is a "hyperbolic charge" then refute it. Saying that it is doesn't make it so.

Now you're the one who's making wrongful assumptions--but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not call them "frankly stupid" but give you a moment to think it over instead.

I never denied George Bush's superior role in helping oppressed women and I never said it's "hyperbolic" to say that NOW's efforts against him hurt women. I agree with all of this. Your assumptions about me are wrong. You're flying off the handle here.

In Egypt we have four and a half million spinsters. The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal. We have a spinster problem in the Arab world, and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused. Circumcision of the girls who need it makes them chaste, dignified, and pure.

F**k Me. That is just about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And this from la creme de la creme of Islamic Society.

No wonder I am growing increasingly pessimistic about 'reform' in Islam. Well to be honest I am growing actively hostile to ANYTHING Islamic.

Anything.

This planet simply isn't big enough for the both of us.

I vote for them leaving.

#127 Catttt

Better yet, I think we should geld all men who think this is a good idea. All of them. I'll be glad to help.

It's going to take a whole lot more than you and me to geld that many scroticles. And the sound could be heard from Uranus.

125 Smit

And what if a woman marries after 30? Or do they just get put out to pasture at 30?

And what if the woman proposes? Does that count?

And what about propositions? (I think they should count too.)

#13 OBC
Don't you recognize them? They were made famous in 'Ghost', and they're just waiting patiently for this discussion to go the way of all ME discussions re: Islam.

Then it's off to Hell with them.

129 blutto43

That is just about the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

It's up there.

We have a spinster problem in the Arab world...In Egypt we have four and a half million spinsters

It sounds to me like there aren't enough guys to go around. Maybe the guys should stop blowing each other up.

#131 Catttt

And what about propositions? (I think they should count too.)

By feminist logic, a glance counts as rape, so why not?

Trust me, noe of these women are trying to have sex with you anyways so why the concern about thier privates? I guess since youre not having any sex you want to ruin it for the rest of us?

I'm 100 percent in favor of muslim women remaining chaste their entire lives. Just that there must be a more humane way to accomplish this.

#118 taterhead

The majority of rapes in the Netherlands are also done by muslims.

I think the majority of crime throughout Eurabia is attributable to their muslim "immigrants." Of course, the media will never say "young muslim men" but only refer to their economic situation and other irrelevant nonsense.

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Best. Rotating. Title. Candidate. Ever.

No, Doctor Wahdan, we need to rectify you

Q- And how do they kill those poor little animals, Daria?

A- 50,000 volts, up the butt....

C'mere, Doc. C'mere...

#125 Smit

The definition of a spinster is a woman who has reached 30, without ever receiving a marriage proposal

Gosh darnit. I'm a spinster.

Hang on - I had a marriage proposal but I said no. Am I still a spinster?

Yep. You're a spinster. I'm a spinster too - my one proposal didn't happen until after I was 30. Oh, I also said no.

/Everyday thankful to be a westerner

Indeed! Thank G-d!

139 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)

No, Doctor Wahdan, we need to rectify you

Q- And how do they kill those poor little animals, Daria?

A- 50,000 volts, up the butt....

That would be 50,000 volts DC (rectified).

/DC is more painful, and takes longer to kill.....

Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Best. Rotating. Title. Candidate. Ever.

Seconded.

I wish that MEMRI would move the captions across the top, and show/further translate the obscured Banner messages/pictures. Makes it hard to get the location/source/contact info that is sometimes briefly flashed.
In this case waraalabwab@alrai.tv

E2m #141:

Q- Mr. Infidel...do you expect me to talk?

A- No, Dr. Wahdan- I expect you to die.

And the more slowly and painfully, the better. Damn, I hate these people.

D. Edgren

In keeping with this theme, an article appeared in today's Arab News which rationalizes polygamy:

All wives in the Kingdom — except my wife — should allow their husbands to marry a second, third or fourth wife if they are financially capable of doing so. They should be allowed (except for me) to have at least a second wife.

I call on wives (but not mine) to help their men resolve this spinster problem. If these women allow their husbands to have a second wife, it would do a lot to solve the problem. I call on these women to allow their husbands to do something permitted by Islam. Having a second wife is not cheating.

I today posted about this sick and perverted religion. Islam - A Perverted Religion

It truly is.

OFF TOPIC

I'm doing this project on human communication, spare me 30 seconds and take this tiny survey.

[Link: members.lycos.co.uk...]

While we're discussing abuse, force-feeding women is still in style in Mauritania:

Mauritania's 'wife-fattening' farm

By Pascale Harter
BBC, Mauritania

Fat women are traditionally seen as more desirable
Obesity is so revered among Mauritania's white Moor Arab populationb that the young girls are sometimes force-fed to obtain a weight the government has described as "life-threatening".

Check out the pics...gaack!: [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

#148 Forgot this link!

Force-fed women: [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

"Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it."

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing about your culture.

PS: I would also like to nominate this for a rotating title!

If the western world's struggle against the aggressiveness and belligerence of political Islam ever reaches the point where it is generally recognized to be a war of civilizations, then in parallel with that war there should be a kind of Emancipation Proclamation that declares freedom and human rights for all females that have been under the malignant control of Muslim society. And I hope that the women would revolt and stand up for their rights as human beings -- they are not the property of men, nor the property of families nor tribes nor the ummah.

When you couple the testosterone-poisoned scriptures of a pedophile prophet with the cultural barbarity of men who never try to take advantage of an opportunity to get to know women as equals, friends, and just people who are capable of loving and warm relationships, this is what you get. May allah rot slowly and painfully in the place from whence he cometh, and while he’s at it, let him take ol’ Mo’ with him. Our Almighty Creator made both man and woman in His image. They were created to work together, love each other, procreate, and honor Him. If there’s some man-made religion out there that says otherwise, I think I’ll opt out. I don’t think He will mind.

#33 FrogMarch

I agree. It's time we asserted our culture. In the West, pigs are regularly castrated. Ask any famer.

#55 lsd

"The following is a statement from former hostage Jill Carroll:"

I tell you, I saw her video interview with the islamic Party, and she sure as hell appeared genuine in her statements at that time, that she was well-treated, that the terrorists who kidnapped her were okay folks, etc. She was very convincing in that interview. And I was very critical of her for it.

Now, she has released this statement, in which she refutes her earlier interview. I will give her the benefit of the doubt, and I will assume her interview with the islamic Party was under duress.

#93 mich-again

That woman you quoted obviously knows zilch about Mad Mo, because her sure as hell did not "lift women up and give them dignity," nor was he a champion of women's freedom, as she suggests.

>The bulk of the "neocons" here are completely
>fine with that.

Personally, I think we need more lesbians and gays on the right.

For the life of me, if I was a hard working guy who is a patriot and doesn't hate the USA, I just can't imagine having to be a democrat just because I was gay.

I would guess that most lesbian and gay's have VERY little else in common with the leftist, america hating democrats other than that single allged issue.....kind of like black americans in that regard now that I think about it.

Seems like 1/2 of all democrats are only there because of a single issue and don't have anything in common with the pinko, koskids, wacko out of touch leftists that run that party.

I have no problem with them coming to the right side.

#129 blutto 43

"Well to be honest I am growing actively hostile to ANYTHING Islamic. Anything."

You are not alone, my friend.

Why are [bigoted word]s scared of pussy ?

"...reality is a mistake we must rectify it."

That's it in a nutshell! It is what we say it is and if it isn't we'll change the reality to fit our ideology.

"Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it."

So if I say that I don't think that Allah made a mistake by allowing female sexual pleasure, does a moderate Muslim respond by agreeing with me, or disagree with me and admit that 'Allah's reality is a mistake,' or simply behead me for making him think?

.." and the last thing we want is for them to be sexually aroused..."

I dunno about that. One of life's greatest pleasures for me, is a woman aroused.

#158 wetfun

The question was tackled by Germaine Greer, except that she didn't restrict it to Muslims but to almost all human societies to a greater or lesser degree.

Her answer is that throughout history, men have feared female sexuality because of its power over them. Men's response has been to repress female sexuality--hence "The Female Eunuch," her book on the topic.

Islamic proscriptions against women are an extreme example; more restrained examples may be found in western civilization.

You may disagree, but for what it's worth, there's one explanation.

I liked the feisty lady in the burqa who was telling that guy off. Good for her.

#163 shimra

I liked the feisty lady in the burqa who was telling that guy off. Good for her.

That would be Dr. Malika Zarrar. Just because she's in a burqa doesn't mean she's one of them.

162 squarepeg

The question was tackled by Germaine Greer, except that she didn't restrict it to Muslims but to almost all human societies to a greater or lesser degree.

Therefore, it's not an answer to the question posed. Nor is it a correct answer to any question. Just another bit of dogma that's in Einstein's words "simpler than possible".

Me: Doctor Wahdan, I'd like you to meet my good friend Ann Coulter. Ann, what have you brought today to show the good doctor?

Ann: I call it a standard issue M-16 in the full automatic setting. But you can call it your ticket to Hell.

Imagine there's no islam,
It's easy if you try,
No virgins down below us,
Above us a big screen showing American Pie,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no muslims,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to them kill or die for,
No islamic religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no suicide bombers,
I wonder if you can,
No need for IEDs or korans,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

#165 earth

"Almost all human societies" includes Muslim society.

The non-answer was offered in all humility.

Try to look at the bright side...

If all of the gal's are sewn shut and can't enjoy sex, maybe the birthrate will go way down and they will just eliminate themselves...save us a lot of trouble!

Uh, it's barbarically just the opposite of "sewn shut".

#168 squarepeg

"Almost all human societies" includes Muslim society.

The non-answer was offered in all humility.

All well and good, but the rhetorical question in #158 was specifically aimed at why certain societies do this, and others don't. I don't know how far back you have to go in European or Asian or even indiginous American history to find examples of this, if there's any recorded history of it happening at all. It's not a universal human practice that stopped with the great enlightment of the 1960's.

Seems pretty obvious that the good Sheik is not a Cosmo reader. So if I have his comments right as a fellow man, we would have loads of "spinsters" here, called career women, who need this operation to keep them chaste and pure? Hmmmm...Don't invite this clown to a NOW convention. He just might end up getting some surgery of his own, Lorena Bobbitt-style.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I have no relation to reality.

Of course not. You're a Muslim.

We took our spinster freat aunt to Dr. Shoenfeld on 3rd Avenue. He does good work.

She no longer gyrates on the radiator.

#171 earth

As I read the question, it's not "Why do Muslims alone practice female circumcision?" "Why are [bigoted word]s scared of pussy?" is a different and deeper question. It assumes an awareness that "fear of pussy" is the reason Muslims practice female circumcision.

My answer was that fear of pussy is actually not exclusive to Muslims but is arguably a much wider and time-honored phenomenon. (cf. the writings of Jerome and Augustine.) Female circumcision is but one response to it in the vast variety of responses.

For info on FGM outside Islam, Google "Victorian Clitoridectomy: Isaac Baker Brown and His Harmless Operative Procedure." Anthropological data on FGM in other, primitive societies is abundant.

Has anyone commented yet on the sheer ridiculousness of the whole Check For Size of Female External Organs to Determine Future Horniness doctor visit? I'd have found it much funnier if I hadn't been convinced the man is dead serious. An IQ test might mean something. A test of ability to delay pleasure for a future reward might mean something. But checking the size of something like that is like Chopping of Hands of Large Men because they are more likely to be able to Thieve. The real cause of thievery has nothing to do with physical externalities like that. Ditto external genitalia on horniness.

Dude, squarepeg,

Your arguments are interesting and well spoken, but I ask you this: how much pleasure can there be having sex with an infibulated woman?

To me, there is nothing sweeter in life than having a willing and enthuseastic sexual partner.

I can only imagine an infibulated woman would just look forward to sex as I would look forward to having a root canal without anesthetic.

This is a barbaric and inexcusable practice.

We, in the Civilized World should do what is required to bring this practice to an end.

175 squarepeg

For info on FGM outside Islam, Google "Victorian Clitoridectomy: Isaac Baker Brown and His Harmless Operative Procedure."

I thought you were debeting in good faith, but that is pure, unadultrated, moral equivelance troll behavior. Comparing a widespread and religiously sanctioned practice to an aberration in Western civilization.

DNFTT. GAZE.

You can't make stuff like this up

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: I have no relation to reality. I am talking about how things should be.

Interviewer: You are a religious sheik, from Al-Azahar University. You cannot say you have no relation to reality.

Dr. Muhammad Wahdan: Reality is a mistake, we must rectify it.

Yeah, that about sums up the islamic/arabic world.

Reality is a mistake. That needs to be rectified.

Uh huh.

Whiterasta,

I think you have so nailed it. How much more pleasure can a man get out of an infibulated woman than he can out of a vaselined milk bottle?

So ironic.

I've had this fantasy conversation in my head a few times. I laugh down some Muslim man and tell him he just can't please a woman. He indignantly answers that he most certainly can. I then ask, "How would you know?"

#178 earth

STOP. I'm NOT saying it's all over the damn place and we're just as guilty. NOT! No freaking way. You said something about not being aware of FGM in the west, I give you this small offering. Small. Of COURSE I consider it an anomaly. Jeez.

#158 wetfun

Why are [bigoted word]s scared of pussy ?

Training video:

Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Pay attention to Gen. Ripper:
"sapping and impurifying all of our precious bodily fluids."

#160 Bill Jefferson

So if I say that I don't think that Allah made a mistake by allowing female sexual pleasure, does a moderate Muslim respond by agreeing with me, or disagree with me and admit that 'Allah's reality is a mistake,' or simply behead me for making him think?

whoa! that ought to make some heads explode with the worst possible case of cognitive dissonance.

#169 madmama

Try to look at the bright side...

If all of the gal's are sewn shut and can't enjoy sex, maybe the birthrate will go way down and they will just eliminate themselves...save us a lot of trouble!

unfortunately, it doesn't quite work that way. the husband literally cuts his bride open on the wedding night. my G-d, the barbarity is more than i can wrap my mind around without becoming nauseous.

Muslim men don't concern themselves with a woman's pleasure.

Their greatest reward in life is de-flowering virgins.

How many women (in any culture) want to re-experience that event 73 times?

Oh yeah, right. We have 4.5 million single chicks, and the last thing we want is to have them sexually aroused....

Man, is there ever a big friggin divide between us and them!

I wish the liberals would start to see how much more an enemy they are to them than they are for us. Hey Madonna, whaddya think about a bit'o circumcision here... The female kind, that is...

If you knobs can't find a use for 4.5 million women, send them to us. We'll actually employ them, give them nice clothes and hairdos. And let'em loose with miniskits and tequila.

Youse guys can just go pull yourselves in your madrasses, you fucked-up sexually repressed tossers.

For those of you still here I have to say this. It's lipstick on a pig. This bastard can dress it up anyway he wants, but it's still a pig. The free world knows now what goes on and we will fight this vile thing to the death. No more FGM you freaks.

#186 dak,

Now don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

These worms don't have the stones to handle sexually free women. It scares the livin' piss out of 'em. "Next thing you know, these women will expect orgasms. Oh, we can't be having any of that. The pressure!"

This is practiced by Christian Egyptians too.
C.

Talk about your bummer of peer pressure. Sheesh!

190 Claudia

Prove it.

How about they turn men into eunuchs in the arab world if they are not married by age 30. No reason these unmarried freaks should be aroused.

I know this thread is dead but as a former midwife, I would like to let you all know how difficult and painful it is for a woman who has been circumcised to have a normal delivery - many times it is out of the question as too much damage has been done - these poor girls have to go through hell to have a baby and I hate the men who put them through this ordeal

All of us midwives, who delivered the babies of cicumcised Muslim women, wanted to kill the men who ordered this done

Sick. Barbaric. Twisted.
Keep your grubby hands off women.

Why is it always the women who need to be fixed? Why don't they castrate the men and boys? They seem to be the ones with the excessive testosterone and who are always out of control. By castrating the men, they would be more docile and peaceful and the females would probably have a better life. Then we would truly have peace in the moslem world.