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Sat, Jul 8, 2006 at 8:43:39 am PDT

In one of the most despicable leftist attacks ever, Deborah Frisch, psychology professor at the University of Arizona, has been threatening Jeff Goldstein’s 2-year old child. Jeff’s site, Protein Wisdom, is under a sustained DoS attack and still offline, but Blackfive has the details, including copies of Frisch’s absolutely disgusting threats: A New Low.

UPDATE at 7/8/06 8:53:44 am:

Frisch now says she has “resigned” from the University of Arizona, and predictably tries to make herself into a victim: South(west)paw: white flag.

UPDATE at 7/8/06 6:26:08 pm:

Jeremy Brown at Who Knew? reports that in 2002, Deborah Frisch conducted a workshop for the FBI on handling terrorist threats: PPO Update for BSA - Featuring Homeland Security Activities.

Some of the questions addressed in her workshop:

How to predict panic in populations under assault, and how to normalize community behavior in a crisis.

How to understand the terrorist mindset so as to be able to predict the selection of terrorist targets.

Why some cops leak information to media knowing that it may harm an investigation.

The negative impact of media in high profile law enforcement investigations.

How to communicate information that the public wants during a crisis in a way that cannot be used to the detriment of the investigation.

How to articulate the needs of the police to focus limited resources on likely suspects without appearing to apply profiling techniques.

How to deal with police anxiety, which sometimes make it difficult for police to serve as a calming influence for the public.

The American cultural preoccupation with assigning blame.

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1 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:45:03am

Can they just fire her?

2 cszwed  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:45:11am

Dos dis dos dat

3 stevesturm  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:45:44am

hey, she surrendered... which shows that she isn't totally crazy.

4 J.D.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:46:03am

Geepers was all over this yesterday.

This woman is a lunatic!

5 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:46:50am

That one belongs in the psycho ward.

6 AmericanGal  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:47:17am

Here's my comment from the previous thread.

This woman is deranged. It truly bothers me that she 1) teaches psychology at a university and 2) contributes to their "CogBlog" in such a way that belies her inner demons.

Totally. Completely. Whacko.

7 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:47:31am

In a straightjacket.

8 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:47:48am
9 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:49:34am

A psychology professor, no less.

10 pegcity  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:50:24am

Leftists are evil.

11 spencercat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:51:23am

We get results!

If she's to be believed, it looks like Ms. Frisch has resigned from her post at UofA. Her blog has a message that's intended to "de-escalate" the mess she's made. But she's still delusional:

"In hindsight, the things I wrote were over the line of nastiness. I apologize to Mr. Goldstein."

"Over the line of nastiness"!?!?!

Whatever.

12 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:51:50am

From her blog:

white flag
I wrote some inflammatory comments at a blog by a guy named Jeff Goldstein called protein wisdom that infuriated many bloggers and commenters. Many of these bloggers emailed my boss at the University of Arizona to tell on me.

In hindsight, the things I wrote were over the line of nastiness. I apologize to Mr. Goldstein.

I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there.

Some blogs have posted comments that I perceive to be physically threatening. I have contacted the FBI and the Pajamas Media staff to determine how to proceed with this aspect of this unbelievable experience.

My intention in this post is to de-escalate the situation. The comments that started this all were nasty, not threatening. But I feel very threatened by the response.

Jeff - I lost my job. You won. Could you call off the troops?

13 realwest  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:52:34am

As J.D. said in #4, Geepers was all over this yesterday and IIRC, was writing an e-mail to the Univeristy yesterday.
Geeps, if you're around, did you ever get an answer from the U of Arizona?
Anyone got her e-mail addy or better yet the e-mail addy of the President of the University or the Chairperson of her department?
And if Protein Wisdom is under DOS attack, has anyone figured out if the attack originated with the Universities computer library?

14 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:53:04am

She's a complete maniac, and when I was researching this story yesterday -- after someone posted about it on an earlier thread -- I saw that she has a history of making threats, such as this:

At [Link: left2right.typepad.com...]

One day, some cheeky blogger is going to be offed by a psychopathic blogger. Will it be a scuffle@left2right? idunno. i hope to hell it ain't me, i gotta tell ya. but i feel kind of guilty for not blowing myself up on the steps of the lincoln memorial when i lived in d.c.

15 V the K  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:53:12am

I wonder if she's single. Maybe we could set her up with Christian Taylor Briggs... the Saddam Human Shield turned Green Party Peace Activist who battered an English musician into a coma.

And then lock the two of them up where they will be no danger to others.

16 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:53:43am

Charles, I'm glad you posted on this! I've just been following this story on other blogs, and checked back into LGF, just to see what was up! It's a horrifying story!

I'm glad this woman resigned---but, my G-d, the crust of her! She threatens Jeff's child, then whines that others have been "physically threatening" her. She is now going to try and portray herself as the hapless victim, and hope that her apology will let her off the hook, and that we'll all just forget about this, and let her go on her crazy way.

I do hope the police are looking into this. . .

And, as I've said before---this woman is a professor of psychiatry, which just goes to show how much you can trust 'em!

17 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:53:50am

Protein Wisdon is still down; Anyone know the topic of the thread that sent her over the edge?

18 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:54:20am

She says she's resigned. Whatever.

Some blogs have posted comments that I perceive to be physically threatening. I have contacted the FBI and the Pajamas Media staff to determine how to proceed with this aspect of this unbelievable experience.

Aah, so it doesn't feel so good to be threatened. Who knew?

19 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:54:48am
I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there.
20 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:55:03am

#9 zulubaby

Not to paint with a broad brush, but sometimes they're the ones with the biggest problems. I seem to recall Amalie saying something about being stalked by a...you guessed it...psychiatrist.

21 jwm  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:55:14am

So she resigns from U of A. And then what- private practice? Can you imagine seeking out a psychologist and ending up with this lunatic? Scary world out there.

JWM

22 Charles  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:56:35am

I'm very skeptical of the claim that she "resigned." I'd wait for confirmation of her claim.

23 J.D.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:56:41am

#12 mj

Resignation would be one of those lesser of two evils choices, I imagine.

24 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:57:19am
The comments that started this all were nasty, not threatening.

She really is insane.

25 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:57:51am

Out of curiosity: Just what did Jeff Goldstein write that unhinged Dr. Frisch so completely? Anybody have a link?

I attended the U of A and never ran into a prof so whacked. Although there were a lot of left-winger California imports on the roster at the time--probably still are, especially in the "liberal" arts.

26 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:58:03am

Futher down on its' blog

fair thee well
I went to the Oregon Country Fair today, a huge hippie festival in Veneta, Oregon, a couple of miles west of the tie-dye capital of the country,Eugene, OR. Eugene is Berkelier than Berkeley itself and the Country Fair is Berkelier than Eugene.

A writer trying to cature the OCF in words is like a painter trying to capture the Grand Canyon in a painting - it is utterly impossible but utterly irresistable to try.

Tomorrow, maybe, I will try to describe for you the utter magic of the Oregon Country Fair - the glorious melding of capitalism (crafts, food), community (energy, healing, library) and arts (music, jesters, jokers) - a counterculture festival that is truly unique. Some people take their kids to dizzykneeland - but truly, if you wanted to take your kids to the ultimate amusement park, you'd take 'em to the OCF.

More later.


Can you say 'mother/father goddess'? Sure you can.
/MrR

27 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:58:20am

Deborah Frisch sounds like she belongs to the KKK.
"boy"

hmmm - Ms. Frisch is so far left she's coming around to the right. I'd also make a guess that she adores Ward Churchill. I detect the same sort of--um---style there.

Give your pathetic progeny (I sure hope that mofo got good genes from his mama!) a big fat tongue-filled kiss from me! LOTS AND LOTS OF SALIVA from Auntie MOONBAT, if you don’t mind!

Somehow, Jeffy boy, I think you get off on the possibility of Frenching your pathetic progeny, even if it is a boy. You seem like a VERY, VERY sick mofo to me, bro.


--Ms. Frisch

28 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:59:26am

#25 Midwestprof

Just what did Jeff Goldstein write that unhinged Dr. Frisch so completely? Anybody have a link?

It wouldn't do any good, because the site's being DDOSed.

29 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:59:36am
Jeff - I lost my job. You won. Could you call off the troops?

Oh so she lost her job and she wants to forget all about it now? I wanna go back to incense and peppermints Jeff! So sorry about the death threats Jeff!

30 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:59:51am

Earth2moonbat,

Not to paint with a broad brush, but sometimes they're the ones with the biggest problems.

Evidently!

31 sissyblue  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:01:45am

I think she's a loser. There's no comments in her blog. Just a loney old hippie living in the past... Trolls are all the same. Just trying to get attention. In her case, she got it! HA!

32 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:01:55am

#17 Kilgore Trout

(Ah, the mystical #17!) Yes, what was the topic that finally sent this woman around the bend? (Of course, she's probably been there for years, and the topic wouldn't really matter---still, it'd be interesting to know.)

33 Darwin Akbar  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:02:30am

Psychologist, heal thyself.

34 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:02:44am

You see, this is all done out of love. The progressives want Jeff to see the light - and are willing to go that extra step to make sure that Jeff realizes the follies of his ways in supporting the BushitleralliburtonRove Co conspiracy theory to keep you poor, stupid, send minorities into the military, bring back the draft, kill Iraqi kids and steal all the oil. Dontcha know? /is it even necessary?

What a pathetic display by the Left, and of course they'll try and turn it around to make Jeff out to be the bad guy.

Jeff had it right - when he's done with Frisch, her name will be treated as a verb.

Kinda like Fisk. Rare company. Indeed. Hehtm

35 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:02:47am

Read what Deb Frisch posted on her blog the day after 7/7/05:


we are all qaeda today
A bit of googling reveals that many in the blogosphere reacted to the London subway bombing with a message of solidarity:

We are all Britons, today.
We are all Britons, today.

One earnest blogger writes:

As we join most in the blogosphere today in expressing our anger at the Islamofascists responsible for the cowardly acts that killed and injured so many Britons, we also express our hope that the appeasers of Islamic terror will soon recognize that we are in a war for the survival of our civilization, and that the war is against Islamofascism.

I was waiting for some moron to play the "coward" card. You can call terrorists a lot of nasty things, but "coward" isn't one of them.

Islamofascists. I like it. Kissing cousins of christofascists like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and DeLay and judeofascists like Zackheim and Sharon.

I am not happy that more widows, widowers and amputees were created yesterday. I don’t think the people riding the London subway yesterday morning deserved to be blown up because of the war crimes committed by George Bush and condoned by Tony Blair.

But I am glad that someone said phuque you to bush, blair and the other hombres who represent (sic) the G-8 nations.

Posted by Deb at July 8, 2005 08:33 PM |

[Link: www.debfrisch.com...]

36 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:02:53am

26 BenZacharia

I will try to describe for you the utter magic of the Oregon Country Fair - the glorious melding of capitalism (crafts, food)

The dolt flunks economics. It isn't capitalism if there isn't a significant investment in capital equipment involved. I think the idiot doesn't understand the difference between capitalism and free enterprise (both of which lefty loonies are supposed to despise).

37 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:03:09am

Please read this:

psychologist, analyze thyself

38 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:03:19am

From her comments:
Just my two cents: The pathetic jeffy boy goldstein plays the jew card 24/7. Didn’t you notice?

THIS IS A CESSPOOL! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!

JEFF! DRINK THE KOOLAID AND LET YOUR WIFE RAISE THE little Goldstein Junior!

I find it extremely revealing though not unsurprising that Professor Frisch engaged in hurling vindictive stereotypes of Jeff's religion. Today's Left- where antisemitism is a way of life.

39 shug  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:03:46am

Deborah Frisch, psychology professor patient at the University of Arizona...

sick twisted bitch.

40 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:03:54am

The leftists are losing it, they are showing their TRUE face before getting in full control of power.

Bad mistake, babies. We can see you know.

Very funny that this psycho now plays the victim role, very funny.

41 abu_garcia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:04:24am

It has been shown by several surveys that a very large proportion of people who study psychology do so because of seeking answers to their own problems.

Here we have a shining example.

Ms. Frisch, if you read this, you need help. They have very good medications these days. Again, you need help.

42 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:04:41am

Here are the key lines from Deb's 7/8/05 post:

we are all qaeda today

Islamofascists. I like it. Kissing cousins of christofascists like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and DeLay and judeofascists like Zackheim and Sharon.

I am glad that someone said phuque you to bush, blair and the other hombres who represent (sic) the G-8 nations.

43 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:04:44am

10 to 1 she doesn't even get investigated by the University.

Has the FBI been notified?

Have the guys with the jackets with the buttons on the back been notified?

44 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:04:55am

Regarding her supposed resignation; I agree with Charles. Be skeptical.
Personally, I think she's lying. That's what leftists do. They lie.

45 TOCON  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:05:31am

From one of Frisch's own posts "Support the Dupes" June 16, 2006.

given the fact that anyone with a quarter of a brain knows this war was about oil, not "spreddin' freedumb," shouldn't those bumper stickers on the butts of SUV's say "support our dupes?"

I'd say a quarter brain is spot on. Left hemisphere, of course!

46 mingjaiyo  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:05:36am

Exercising the damnable trait of leftists everywhere-play"The Culture Of Victimhood'angle.There is nothing in the world for these people for which their own actions are the fault of where they find themselves.There is always someone or something somewhere that "really holds"the responsibility.From this obviously deranged woman (A psych prof...no surprise-the only reason people enter that field is to try to find out what their own f-ups are) to the Pali's,the Culture Of Victimhood has permiated the worlds societies to the detriment of us all.I am glad to see that she had enough sense left in that rattled brain to resign,although I suspect that she was offered that course of action as a "death with honor" escape route by the University.

47 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:05am

Wretchard at The Belmont Club shows us an example of courage:

Jose Abad Santos was 56 years old in 1942, a vigorous age, and we meet him far from the capital of Manila "traveling somewhere around Carcar, Cebu, with his son, Jose Jr., Colonel Valeriano of the Philippine Constabulary, and some enlisted men". This incident is extremely suggestive. Rather than wait in Manila to meet and negotiate with the Japanese, the Chief Justice is encountered doing the rounds in uncaptured territory, "unaware that the enemy had landed in the vicinity". Given his military entourage; the fact his capture occurred before Wainright's final surrender in Corregidor, and Cebu's proximity to Mindanao I think probability is that Abad Santos was setting up resistance cells when he was surprised by the Japanese.

The Japanese must have understood this immediately. "For almost 20 days, he was subjected to grueling and mortifying inquisition. The exact nature of the investigation is still shrouded in secrecy." There is evidence that the Japanese were primarily interested in operational intelligence, rather than political cooperation, from Abad Santos. "Previously, however, he had been asked to contact General Roxas somewhere in Mindanao who up to that time had not yet surrendered. In all probability, the Japanese wanted him to induce General Roxas to surrender."

Probably the only thing that kept the Japanese from killing and torturing Abad Santos outright was his possible utility as a collaborationist figurehead. Abad Santos knew it and played the card immediately by identifying himself as the Chief Justice. It kept him alive for three weeks. Why then did the Japanese decide to shoot him on the day after Corregidor surrendered? The only answer I can come up with is that the Japanese had found other high ranking Filipinos willing to serve in their puppet government, who had probably waited until the final denouement before throwing in with Nippon. Once a set of collaborators had been found, Abad Santos's potential political utility was at and. He was simply an operational prisoner and doomed.


Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to show us continuing examples of their treasonous behavior.
_

48 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:15am

She's a 9/11 conspiracy theorist as well. That says enough for me.

49 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:30am

Hey bitch,saying things about killing someone's child cannot be undone by saying "just kidding".

You should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and serve your sentense in a Turkish jail.

50 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:41am

#35 Chicken Kiev

Fantasizing that she is Al-Queda---sad indeed.

And, just remember; these are the tolerant, compassionate "Progressives" who want to rule us, and tell us what's best for us.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

51 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:55am

Next time Glenn Greenwald complains about the comments here, we might want to bring this up...

52 hepcat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:08:25am
53 realwest  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:08:42am

#22 Charles - Just sent you an e-mail marked Highest Priority about a traitor who is about to be honored and I'd appreciate it if you could take the time to find it and get back to me on it.
Thanks a lot,
realwest

54 V the K  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:08:51am

Her previous posts are a laff-riot.

December 06, 2005
911 & JFK

... One of the strangest anomalies is a picture from the Plane Site video showing just how tiny the hole in the Pentagon was that was allegedly produced by a 757. There’s one shot that is really shocking – you see the hole punched in the wall at the Pentagon and then you can see inside the Pentagon into an adjacent room that is still intact. There’s a book open on a stool that is not singed or burned – it looks perfectly normal. How could a 757 with 8000 gallons of jet fuel crash into a building and not have any effect on a book a few feet away from impact?

In thinking about whether there is reason to be suspicious of the standard story, the thing that I find most interesting is the huge difference in attention paid to the different events. Think about how much you’ve seen and read about the collapse of the towers and how little you’ve seen and read about the crash at the Pentagon. Shouldn’t there be some media curiosity about how security at the PENTAGON was breached almost an hour after the first plane crashed into the WTC? Shouldn’t there be some curiosity about how such a big plane full of fuel caused such little damage?

Her choo-choo went around the bend a long time ago.

55 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:09:27am

Were these nasty notes sent as email directly to Jeff, or posted as public comments?

Just wondering...

56 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:09:51am

Typical liberal,she's now claiming she's the victim.

Cry me a river, you sick bitch.

57 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:09:57am

I watched this yesterday on P.W before it crashed.

She was very defiant,a lot of "do your worst,I'm not afraid of you."

Still waiting for some words of wisdom (NOT!) from you, Jeffy boy!

Your little boot-lickers have had their say. What say you, king dingbat?!

Wanna escalate this game. Fine wit me.

Bring it on, hombre.

Bring it on.

It was brought,how you feeling,bitch?

58 hepcat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:10:01am

My comment:
[Link: www.patdollard.com...]

59 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:10:04am
I wrote some inflammatory comments at a blog by a guy named Jeff Goldstein called protein wisdom that infuriated many bloggers and commenters. Many of these bloggers emailed my boss at the University of Arizona to tell on me.

In hindsight, the things I wrote were over the line of nastiness. I apologize to Mr. Goldstein.

I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there.

I wonder if TGregg will get off my ass now.

60 sissyblue  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:10:52am

Notice how islamofascists and LLLs always WANT to kill children? Strange... Cowards..

61 Northpaw  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:11:21am

Ah, she even finds a way to preen her moral self by imagining that the 7/7 London bombings were a "phuque you" to Bush.

She is simply evil.

62 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:11:41am

#40 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Heh, heh. . . well said!

(Seriously---forget the FBI, the university, the blogsphere, the cops, etc.; Deb ought to worry that the kid's mother is coming after her!)

63 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:12:05am

She can get together with Chutch,Walt and Meersheimer,that guy from Madison plus several others and start their own college.

Fuck U.

64 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:12:57am

Deb Frisch is also a stand-up comic (no, really) --

[Link: emol.org...]


Event: Monolog Cabin: "Li'l Buggers Night"
$5 AT THE DOOR ALL-AGES SHOW. DOORS OPEN AT 6:30 P.M. FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL: 622-8848 Monolog Cabin?s third theme night focuses on the winsome savages we call children, both from observation and first-hand experience. Entitled ?The Lil? Buggers,? the show features the never-gentle wit of host Paul Fisher presenting his rant: My Modester Proposal. Other comedic talents will include Monolog Cabin regulars Margo Taylor, Steve Barancik and Sean Murphy, comedians Mike Sterner and Deb Frisch, songstress Annie Holub as well as several first-time performers including a charter school hip-hop group.
Address: Club Congress at the Hotel Congress, 311 E. Congress, Tucson
65 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:13:36am
Jeff - I lost my job. You won. Could you call off the troops?

Maybe when you call your buds in Pakistan or Turkey, or wherever, and tell them to call off the DDOS attack?

66 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:13:57am

#63 Totally Sirius

. . . Or, maybe they can call it, "Phugue you"!

67 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:14:01am

She's a fucking nut who still doesn't get it.

68 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:14:42am

From Ace of Spades Blog:

Deborah Frisch's final exam

Deborah Frisch
Adjunct Professor of Psychology
Psychology of Risk Assessment & Decisionmaking
Final Exam

You have one hour to complete this exam. Please mark your answers cleanly with either a #2 pencil or a mixture of human blood and animal feces.

1) A rational actor is offered one of two investment schemes. The first pays 5% profit per year with no risk. The second pays 20% per year with a 5% risk of catastrophic loss each year. Which investment scheme should a rational actor choose?

a) the low-profit, no-risk scheme

b) the high-risk, high-profit scheme

c) it depends upon the marginal utility the actor assigns to the higher profit

d) sinister lobsters from the dark dimension are gnawing through my eardrums


2) Two rational actors are involved in a business dispute. Failure on either's part to compromise will result in a loss. However, compromising too much will result in suboptimal results for each. What strategy should each actor choose?

a) Both should seek compromise, to avoid a loss

b) Both should seek to maximize personal optimal gain, even though this risks a loss

c) Both should seek tit-for-tat compromise and reassurance from the other, to insure maximum gain while limiting the risk of total loss

d) Sometimes I dream about Walt Disney's cryonically frozen head kissing me on my no-no special place while Goofy and Pluto restrain me with leather straps


3) You disagree with another professor who maintains an online blog. What is the highest-reward, lowest-risk strategy for dealing with such a person?

a) Engage him in substantive discourse to prove he's wrong

b) Adopt a flippant tone while glibly tweaking him

c) Expose his errors on your own blog in hopes that he can be made to understand his errors

d) Have you ever noticed that K-Mart sells shotguns, shovels, and quicklime, all in one place? People rip on K-Mart, but really, you can't beat the convenience, folks.


4) You strongly suspect your pinkies have been replaced by animatronic spy-modules by cybernetic puppet-creatures controlled by the evil aliens known as the "Rhodians." These false finger-probes report your every move to the Rhodian StarMasters, and have been keeping tabs on you since a dozen of their rape-robots repeatedly violated you during your "missing years." As a rational actor, do you...?

a) Cut off your pinkies to prove they're insectlike cyber-implants, no matter what your FUCKING QUACK RACIST ASSHOLE OF A SHRINK might think

b) Go about your daily life as normal, but never say something you wouldn't want the Rhodians to hear unless your hands are submerged in sink or bathwater, in order to block the transmissions (Note: this may require bathing/hand-washing up to 40 times per day)

c) Strangle your neighbor's cat. Mr. Frisky's probably in on it too. Can't be too careful.

d) Ohgodchrist. They're watching. They're watching RIGHT NOW. They're all... they're all Rhodians! Everyfuckingone of them!

Put your pencils down.

I SAID PUT YOUR FUCKING PENCILS DOWN OR I'LL VIOLATE YOUR CHILDREN!

I'm sorry... my pinkies made me say that.


http://ace.mu.nu/

69 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:14:44am

E2M

Yep. Capital = Capital Investment in the means of production, evil smoke belching machines, not mula($). Econ 101

70 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:14:45am

How many other wacademicians are on the public dole disgorging their BDS-induced nonsense on our kids?

NOW she's sorry - sick, twisted hippie who cannot stand to lose the idealogical argument so badly that she threatens the life of an innocent child. I hope the FBI gets involved (they should). I hope the cable news shows and talk radio don't let this drop until cretin is safely straight-jacketed.

What a POS.

71 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:15:02am

Well, if Ms. Frisch did resign, at least the poor girl has revealed her qualifications for a bright and shiny future within the Democrat party!

Perhaps Ms. Frisch can join mama moonbat on tour, or hook up with Howard Dean?

72 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:17:11am

#65 Earth2Moonbat

Good point; is she behind the current attack, or does she know who is?

73 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:17:37am

She's lucky Jeff isn't as psychotic as she is.

74 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:17:40am

61 Northpaw

She is simply evil.

We tend to think that evil and crazy are two different things, because we used to believe in possion by demons. Reality is that almost no one is so crazy that they don't have some element of free will. The border between crazy and evil is unmarked, and isn't really a line, it's more like a zone. Like the "line" between where a warm climate gives way to a cold climate.

75 Spiny Norman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:18:33am

In the Blackfive comment tread,

Comment below written by: Jeff G

My host still can't get me up and running. So I'm getting a new host. Could be a few days before I'm back online.

Whereas, if its any consolation, Deb Frisch will be a crazy, lying, and unemployable beast for the rest of her life. Hopefully in a hair net.

Ah. Soothing, soothing perspective!

Must be a hell of a DOS attack (or the web host doesn't know how to deal with it).

Charles! Maybe you can contact Jeff and see if you can suggest ways to get him out of this mess, if you haven't already.

76 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:18:36am

72 TalkinKamel

She's not admitting it, and it's possible that it's unrelated, but if I had to bet money...

77 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:18:55am

1 will get you 10 that the DOS attack is originating from university computers and/or zombies.

78 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:19:15am
phuque you

Cute.

79 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:19:25am

#73 TotallySirius

As I said before---she's lucky the kid's mom hasn't gone for her!

80 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:19:42am

Has anyone fopund this yet?...
A Psychologist's Defense of Ward Churchill
By DEBORAH FRISCH


Churchill's crime was noting that the 911 victims in particular and Americans in general were not innocent lambs. This is worse than Susan Sontag's crime ­ noting that the 911 terrorists weren't "cowards." But it's just as true.

Since he's well within his first amendment rights, Churchill's attackers are questioning his academic credentials. He's been forced to prove that he's a genuine native American.

Social psychologists, philsophers and sociologists should be defending Churchill for his brilliant, but veiled reference to Arendt, Milgram and Zimbardo. But the academic social science left has been lukewarm at best to Churchill.

The cycle of dehumanization continues.

81 V the K  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:20:12am
Frisch now says she has “resigned” from the University of Arizona,

The Bu$hitler Thecon Regime's Digital Brownshirts have silenced another Peaceful Progressive voice.

(Anybody want to go over to her blog and post that, verbatim, and see if she takes it unironically?)

82 Moe Katz  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:20:16am

How sad. This woman doesn't sound particularly bright---this is the kind of female mediocrity that is being hired en masse in the name of employment equity to replace retiring baby boomer profs. A very similar young woman on my dissertation jury asked me to justify sample sizes for chi-square analyses, if that means anything to some people here.

83 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:20:33am
She's lucky Jeff isn't as psychotic as she is.

LOL!

84 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:20:52am

fopund = found
(preview is not my friend)

85 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:21:32am

#76 Earth2Moonbat

Yeah, yeah, I know. . . me too; If I had to bet money. . .

It would certainly explain why she was so cocky earlier with all her "Bring it on!" talk; maybe she was expecting more back-up than she got. Or, as you said, it might be unrelated. Still. . .

86 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:22:28am

She has been a key supporter of Ward Churchill, as seen at Counterpunch:

[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

... Churchill is under fire, literally and metaphorically for stringing together 15 letters:

LITTLE EICHMANNS...

Actually, the analogy is extremely apt and not outrageous at all...

I agree with Churchill that America was not an "innocent victim" on 911. I'm tempted to agree that "titans" of finance are more guilty than the rest of us...

We're all little Eichmanns. Only the far left is willing to admit it.

Churchill's crime was noting that the 911 victims in particular and Americans in general were not innocent lambs...

Since he's well within his first amendment rights, Churchill's attackers are questioning his academic credentials. He's been forced to prove that he's a genuine native American.

Social psychologists, philsophers and sociologists should be defending Churchill...

The cycle of dehumanization continues.

[Deborah Frisch, Ph. D., is a psychologist and Former director, of Decision, Risk and Management Sciences Program at the National Science Foundation.]

87 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:23:36am

#80 killgore trout

Ooops, we crossed paths.
Great minds think alike.

88 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:23:37am

#77 TotallySirius

Jeff's hosting service should be able to determine that. That would be an interesting thing to know.

89 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:23:40am

Color me skeptical over her claims that she's resigned.

Her apology is anything but. She doesn't recognize what she did was not only wrong, but illegal - threatening a 2-year old? Are you kidding me?

She should be worried about whether she'll ever get another job in academia (or anywhere else) before this is over.

Can you imagine the interview process?

Interviewer: Can you explain why you left your last job?
Frisch: Personal reasons.

Interviewer: I did some research and see you threatened a 2-year old. Is this true?

Frisch: *red faced* Ummm, there were extenuating circumstances...

Interviewer: Well, thanks for coming in. (If this was the Evergreen College in Wa., she'd get the job in a heartbeat). Most everywhere else, she'd be shown the door - right into a padded room.

90 William  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:24:00am

She comes off almost as psychotic as Howard Dean.  Almost.

These are the "caring" members of society -- dead troops are props to attack GWB, children are open season...
 

91 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:01am

#86 Chicken Kiev

I just knew it! Churchill sycophants have a certain--- whiff.

92 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:03am

Found her pic! Has anyone posted this yet?

[Link: www.xicalangopress.com...]

93 j-damn  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:23am

It won't be long until one of these looney fucks actually collaborates with the enemy and assists them in killing Americans. Most of these assholes either were pretend wannabe revolutionaries in the 60s (Weather Underground, et al) or simply their young admirers.

And for those who don't think this possible, consider this: this bitch already expressed a desire to self-detonate in DC. She also threatens children, like the Islamist scum who slaughtered a school full in Beslan.

Come to think of it, she acts just like a Palestinian too. She boasts that she'll take all and sundry in a fight, but as soon as someone bloodies her nose she wants a "de-escalation".

Fuck this skank. Keep the pressure on her. Boots to the neck.

94 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:30am

Frisch,

Slag off, sick bag. You went over the line and deserve to rot in jail for a while. Threatening kids is verboten and you deserve every peice of emotional misery that comes your way

95 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:32am

#71 FrogMarch

at least the poor girl has revealed her qualifications for a bright and shiny future within the Democrat party!

I know you are NOT sarcastic there, but I want to add that what you say IS literally true: a party that accepts as its leaders

- someone who has killed a girl
- a traitor who discussed with NV Army Officers HOW TO win the war against America


is a typical subversive party in which the collective strength is created by multiple and RECIPROCAL ransom.

The same party honors at its national convention a frigging liar and a commie like Michael Moore.

The same party has elected as member of Congress a criminal who punch COPS and (at least for the first 24 hours) says it was the right thing to do.

This is no longer a party, it's a frigging GANG.

She has a future there, every gang has its special TRIALS to admit new members...she passed it.

96 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:51am

I wish I was surprised she taught at university.

97 Dave from Corona  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:25:55am

I checked out the University of Arizona's Website for its psychology department. Apparently Deborah Frisch is an adjunct professor there. This means that she probably only works part time and might have another position somewhere else. Resigning from an adjunct position, as she apparently did, is no big deal. It's like quitting a second job.

98 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:26:03am

... Or could that possibly be a different Deborah Frisch?

99 Skywise  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:26:25am

That's not the scary part... Look at where she's worked!

"Deborah Frisch, Ph. D., is a psychologist and Former director, of Decision, Risk and Management Sciences Program at the National Science Foundation."

National Science Foundation?!? No wonder she wants this all to go away just by resigning... a little more publicity and she'll become poison to her leftist causes and the REAL funding will dry up.

100 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:27:13am

#85 TalkinKamel

It would certainly explain why she was so cocky earlier with all her "Bring it on!" talk; maybe she was expecting more back-up than she got.

And didn't expect bigger blogs like LGF to step in. She can DDOS Jeff's site, but the cat's out of the bag.

101 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:27:17am

#93 J-Dam

It won't be long until one of these looney fucks actually collaborates with the enemy and assists them in killing Americans


Already happened.
jane fonda
john kerry

102 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:27:38am
103 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:27:45am

#92

Are you sure that is her photo? That person doesn't have a Ph.D. Maybe someone with the same name?

104 spanishpete  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:27:48am

would i be lowering myself to her level, if i invited her to go suck a big hairy.

105 J.D.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:28:45am

#92 Chicken Kiev

Deborah Frisch grew up in a family where appreciation for other languages and cultures was shared like salsa and chips. After earning her Masters in Teaching ESL in New York, she founded and directed Escuela Xicalango, for 25 years the top language school in Cancún, Mexico. She’s had fun playing language games with learners from five to seventy-five, in New York, California, Mexico and throughout Latin America. At present she’s dividing her efforts between a ¡BINGLéS! workbook with additional games and activities, ¡Lotería! Bingo for Learning Spanish and junior versions of both games. Deborah lives with her multilingual family, dog and cockatiels in Berkeley, CA.


It shows a P.O. Box in Berkeley.

106 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:29:03am

#100 Earth2Moonbat

Heh, heh, heh. . .

107 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:29:10am

Oops. Chicken Kiev got there first.

108 j-damn  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:30:00am

The cognitive dissonance this bitch is suffering from is amazing:

We're all little Eichmanns. Only the far left is willing to admit it.

Churchill's crime was noting that the 911 victims in particular and Americans in general were not innocent lambs...

The cycle of dehumanization continues.

Yeah, nothing is more dehumanizing than to be compared to a Nazi commandant.

Before this war is over, we're going to need to start taking members of our own "intelligentsia" like this to trial.

Go ahead, skank, go me a "little Beria" now

109 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:30:33am

#82 Moe Katz

A very similar young woman on my dissertation jury asked me to justify sample sizes for chi-square analyses, if that means anything to some people here.

I have no idea what that means,but I know the point you are making.

The one I got was "Capitalism is Capitalism, isn't it?"

The key to academic sucess is to insert the term "Queer","Feminist" or "Marxist",then it's all smiles,hugs and approving nods.

110 realwest  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:31:46am

CHARLES - please ignore my e-mail referenced in #53.

111 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:32:09am

#95 Poitiers-Lepanto

You are correct. I wasn't being sarcastic.
and---bingo to what you posted! The Democrat party is a pack of punks.

112 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:32:37am

Update: Deborah Frisch continues stalking my site, sending trackbacks to multiple posts to link to ad hominem attacks. While I appreciate the boost to my TTLB Ecosystem link score, I'm not giving the [rhymes with witch] access to my site. Hence, she is the first and only person whose trackbacks I am routinely deleting from my site. (After her offensive emails, I've also added her to my email filter blocks.)

Apparently her real profession is full-time stalker.

113 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:33:03am

Chicken Kiev

Deborah Frisch, M.A.Ed.

Don't think that's the one.

114 Toby Petzold  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:33:39am

realwest:

And if Protein Wisdom is under DOS attack, has anyone figured out if the attack originated with the Universities computer library?

This is the crux of the matter for me. Frisch has made mud of her own name in the past 48 hours, but this DOS attack suggests some major connivance. I think Jeff said she was writing from Eugene, OR, but I don't know what the deal is.

The moonbats are now presented with a moment of truth. They know this is happening, so watch what they say. If they do not explicitly condemn this woman's attacks on Jeff and his little boy, then you may be sure of what they are.

115 abu_garcia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:34:11am

#46 mingjayo

I suspect that she was offered that course of action as a "death with honor" escape route by the University.

There is no doubt in my mind that the University had to have some prior history with Ms. Frisch to have taken this action so soon.

She has to have already been a problem to them.

116 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:34:45am

#109 12th Imam(hidden)

The key to academic sucess is to insert the term "Queer","Feminist" or "Marxist",then it's all smiles,hugs and approving nods.

Or muslim. Especially muslim, these days.

117 Ruff429  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:35:23am

HA! I DOUBT that she actually RESIGNED. And, even if she did resign, now is the time to send a barrage of emails and calls to her university to protest what she did. These colleges have to be held accountable for hiring the nutcase moonbats that have permeated our classrooms and lecture halls. I'm sending a copy of this to O'Reilly and Hannity as well.

DON'T ANYBODY back off now! Write and call the university and make SURE this sick broad really is OUT!

118 j-damn  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:35:32am
#93 J-Dam

It won't be long until one of these looney fucks actually collaborates with the enemy and assists them in killing Americans


Already happened.
jane fonda
john kerry

I'm talking about today's enemy. And I'm not talking about our soldiers, sailors and airmen--I'm talking about civilians. Sooner or later one of these disaffected leftist professors is going to sneak some AQ across the border [and doesn't anyone find it strange that the only Spanish word this skank seems to know is HOMBRE] house them, feed them, train them and they'll blow up a school in Phoenix or something.

Hell, Ward Churchill's publicity photo is him lovingly cradling a fucking AK--real tough, Chief! How does it feel to be just like Bin Laden? You're a BIG MAN.

Better to get the tribunals and gallows in place now, rather than be scramble to catch up when it happens.

119 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:36:45am

Deb's unhinged, and a Fox news story waiting to happen.

http://debfrisch.com/archives/000087.html

120 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:38:01am

#87 Chicken Kiev
Heh, we're all bumping heads this morning; RC neo-Jew picked it up too. The more the merrier.

121 asshander  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:38:29am

She did not "lose' her job.

She forfeited it.


Main Entry: forfeit
Function: transitive verb
1 : to lose or lose the right to especially by some error, offense, or crime
2 : to subject to confiscation as a forfeit; also : ABANDON, GIVE UP

122 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:39:40am

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy
to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming
to take me away, ha-haaa!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haa!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time...

123 The Other Les  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:40:04am

It's too bad that a Matrix-type technology does not exist at this time.

It would be really and truly neat if these barking moonbats could be plugged in and forced to experience what the world would really be like if their wish for our defeat had actually came true. Let them feel what it would be like to be a Dhimmi after the Muslim conquest of the planet or to experience total socialism from the slave laborer's point of view.

This could also help to cut our energy imports a bit too.

124 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:40:35am

Her writing seems like a giant "Hey, Jihadis! Over here! I'll be your first big splodey in the US!"

How many more like her stalking the halls of academia?

125 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:40:44am

Thanks to Napoleon XIV.

126 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:40:53am

Reading the shit she has flung across cyberspace,I can be reasonably sure she has some "issues" like repeated stalking and making terrorist threats.

There is a pattern and there is ample evidence.

Looks like jeff has an open and shut harassment lawsuit...if he presses it.

The DOS attack stuff could make things even worse.

My advice:get a good lawyer and/or skip town.

127 BobTheBuilder  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:41:07am

Her problem is that she seems to have forgot that she was "arguing" in public.

How would she have behaved if she had actually been in front of the folks she was interacting with? If we were all in a park arguing, her dropping trou and mooning the crowd (including any youngsters) would be seen as inappropriate and excessive by most everyone present, regardless of which side of the argument those present were on.

Her posts at PW were just as inappropriate and excessive as the example above, and she should be just as embarrassed by them.

Hopefully, for her sake, she may have learned something from this experience and will have come to understand that with free speech comes accountability.

On the internet it is OUR own responsibility to keep our part in internet discourse civil and not let the perception of anonymity blind any of us to the fact that excessive hyperbole can and does lead to unpleasant circumstances.

Regarding her wish for this all to just “Go Away” … Unless she PUBLICLY calls off the DDoS dogs that she seems to have set on PW, this prolly won't go away any time soon.

Until the attack is halted her name and reputation will be ever more sullied.

Is this how she pictured her “fifteen minutes” of fame?

I think not.

128 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:41:27am

Intestinal Fortitude, I posted a link to his site in #112. Looks like she's stalking him too.

129 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:42:18am

#112 zulubaby

I know it’s scary, but seeing as you’re a law professor at UCLA, it would be nice if you joined the “reality-based community.”

I wonder is she's a koskid too. Hmmm...

130 realwest  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:42:34am

#112 zulubaby - Was that from Jeff? Does he think the DOS could've originated from the University or the poor saps she taught?
More importantly, what can we do to help him?

131 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:42:59am

98 Chicken Kiev

I was looking for a picture too. I found a Deb Frisch with brown hair that looked a little moonbatty. Not for sure though.

132 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:43:33am

And I still have no good explanation for how a supposedly intelligent, educated female can come to hate this country so much. Perhaps this is the type of female Mohammed had around him, which would explain the Koranic attitude to women.

133 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:44:22am

#92-I agree with #103-I am sure this is another person.

134 JAT  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:44:43am

I want to see confirmation from the UofA before I will accept the fact that she resigned. OH, resigning is not losing your job.

She can always move to California and join in with Boxes and Pelosi for a good old Ménage à trois.

www.stepbystepthreesome.com...] target="_blank">

135 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:45:04am

This psychology professor needs psychological help, and soon, before she does something highly dangerous.

136 JAT  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:45:32am

Sorry Boxer not boxes!

www.stepbystepthreesome.com...] target="_blank">

137 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:45:32am

realwest, no, she's harrassing someone else, a professor from UCLA. Click the link.

138 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:46:25am

#112 Zula

Scary isn't it? Oh and those cute little remarks about Jesus.

139 pegcity  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:47:24am

I bet she hates Jews too as well.

140 Macker  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:47:36am

After a short review of its blog, I conclude it doesn't get a lot of visitors.

141 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:47:42am

Hey, look on the bright side, Debs - maybe you and Ward Churchill can open an Indian blanket franchise somewhere at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

142 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:47:59am

♪ Good day {LGF}! ♪

Looks like the "progressive" left are all warm and fuzzy today.

Not.

I'm posting from the library as I picked up "Why I am not a muslim" by Ibn Warraq. Should make for very interesting reading this afternoon.

143 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:48:17am

Professor Frisch evidently believes that George Bush is worse than the Nazis:

AB(Anthony Bastardi) : The Nazis deliberately and methodically exterminated millions of Jews. The US did not deliberately kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

DF( Frisch ): Why is deliberate and methodical murder worse than mindless, chaotic murder? The Nazis were more honest and efficient than the George Bushes. Why does that make them more evil?

144 Baldy  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:48:30am
145 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:48:32am

Um, harassing. You don't know what typos do to me.

146 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:49:01am

#139 peg

I don't know how she feels about Jews but she hates Christians...violently

147 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:49:10am

The Left is a far, FAR greater threat to Western civilization in the long run than is Islamism.

Islamist violence against the West is a symptom of the ascendancy of the Left.

Oh, and Hitler was not "far right" except insofar as the far right and the far left are largely indistinguisahable (which can plainly be seen in this incident; Frisch is clearly virulently anti-Semitic).

Nazism (National Socialism) was every bit as much a product of the Frisch's of this world as was Stalinism and the Khmer Rouge.

Quite simply, the hard Left is much more evil than even Al Qaeda.

148 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:50:04am

#112 Zulu

My bad!

149 zulubaby  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:50:40am

Intestinal Fortitude, she seems to be in a perpetual state of rage.

150 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:51:45am

#116 E2M

Or muslim. Especially muslim, these days.

How could I have forgotten.

I think you would use "Islamophobia",to be sure no one thinks you are on the wrong side of the issue.

151 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:52:12am

#149 zulu

Hell,the entire left is in a perpetual state of rage.

152 Skywise  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:53:20am

Continuing the National Science Foundation stuff...

Psychologists discuss counter-terrorism research on Capitol Hill
"And on Capitol Hill, despite the disruptions caused by the anthrax assault, there has been a flurry of activity to address terrorism. With respect to scientific issues, the past six months reveals a fairly focused set of priorities in both the House and Senate committees with central oversight of basic research. In the House, hearings have been dominated by concerns over cybersecurity and bioterrorism. In the Senate, basic research issues compete for attention with commerce and transportation security issues raised by the violence on Sept. 11. (An inclusive chronology of terrorism-related hearings is available on the Public Policy Office Web site, [Link: www.apa.org...]

Because psychological science has received relatively little attention in the hearing process to date, PPO staff arranged a day of informal meetings with senior staff of the House and Senate Science Committees on March 1, to raise awareness of relevant psychological science in the aftermath of Sept. 11. Those representing psychology who participated in the visits to Capitol Hill included: Maj. Jonathan Drummond, Princeton University; Victoria M. Esses, PhD, University of Western Ontario; Baruch Fischhoff, PhD, Carnegie Mellon University; Deborah Frisch, PhD, National Science Foundation; Arie Kruglanski, PhD, University of Maryland; Donald Norman, PhD, Northwestern University; Eldar Shafir, PhD, Princeton University; and Peter Suedfeld, PhD, University of British Columbia. "

153 realwest  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:53:36am

#137 zulubaby - That link goes back to February of this year; I thought Jeff was undergoing a DOS attack now. Am I wrong about that?

154 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:55:39am

#149 Zulu

Deb's all the rage.

155 pat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:55:51am

#126 TotallySirius

I agree, she will likely be found to be a serial offender. Likewise with the creepy pedophilia and procreation angle. This girl does indeed have some "issues".

156 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:56:37am

139 "I bet she hates Jews too as well".

She obviously has problems with Jewish men as her response to Goldstein indicates.
( see post 38 where she wrote:

"Just my two cents: The pathetic jeffy boy goldstein plays the jew card 24/7. Didn’t you notice?"

However, she claims to be a Jew though one who seems to think that gives her an excuse for antisemitism:

"Lest anyone accuse me of using an ethnic slur, I am Jewish and thus am allowed to use the word yid. It's the same principle that allows blacks and lesbians to say n***** and dyke, respectively, without being disrespectful."

157 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:56:53am

{realwest} Hiya, sweetheart. I've less than 4 minutes left on this bloody computer at the local library and I just wanted to say hello and I hope you're feeling good today.

:)

158 Miss Trixie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:57:52am

That's it - I'm outta here.

Have a great weekend everyone.

:D

159 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:00:04am

152 holy shit. she's on staff of the National Science Foundation?

160 mj  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:00:31am

#156

More on Professor Frisch's Jewish self-hatred:

A second taboo is generating hypotheses that reflect unfavorably on Jews. In academia, it's kosher to talk about sex and race differences in ability and achievement. It is not okay to talk about ways Jews differ from non-Jews.

Imagine a psychologist designed an experiment to tempt people to cheat. Maybe she gives students a test and pretends to accidentally leave the test on the desk. Students are tested individually and the question is whether they look at the test on the desk.

Suppose the researcher wanted to test the stereotype that Jews cheat more than other people. She compared the percentage of Jews who cheated to the percentage of non-Jews. This is a perfectly legitimate hypothesis. There is tons of social psychology research comparing men to women and blacks to whites. I am not aware of any research comparing Jews to non-Jews...

[Link: debfrisch.com...]

161 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:01:01am

This is the Prof. Bainbridge link.

Steve Verdon chimed in on that same trackback with a post over at his blog, in which he notes that the blogger in question's ad hominem attack on me (a) wrongly accuses me of making a statistical error in this post, (b) herself makes a whopper of an error, and (c) deliberately and selectively misquotes me to misrepresent my position. Steve concludes:

Even more amusing when commenters point out that she has misconstrued the point of Prof. Bainbridge's post, has misrepresented the data, and selectively quotes Prof. Bainbridge she says she can't see the point. Have some integrity Deb, and just admit you messed up.

This isn't the first time the blogger in question has made gross factual errors and thereby misrepresented my position (e.g., here). It will be the last time I take notice of her mistakes and misrepresentations, however. Life's too short to waste time and effort trying to instruct the ineducable, especially those who seem to be deliberately obstuse.

Update: One more email from a reader to share:

I realize that you are finished taking notice of Deb Frisch's "mistakes and misrepresentations" - and with good reason - but I happened to read your first post about her yesterday and after looking around her website was truly appalled by this post that appears to now be removed from the main page and archives of her website but which I have the archived link to because I forwarded it to my girlfriend (we were both in your Business Associations class while at UCLA). I have no idea if you've seen this diatribe. [Prof B: Yep. I saw it.]

At first I thought it was simply an example of the how, while the internet has provided an invaluable resource for gathering information outside of the mainstream media, it also encourages those who are so inclined to be wildly uncivil. After doing a little poking around though, and discovering that this lady is a professor in the psychology department at the University of Arizona, I was genuinely disturbed. First, the childish nature of her insults directed at you are really striking coming from an educator. Second, she proudly belittles the idea that you would expect accuracy from her (i.e., not claiming that you had taken a position on the Summers brouhaha that you hadn't). Does the UofA really want professors to whom accuracy is to be mocked? Third, as if to prove how unconcerned she is with accuracy, she attributes to you a quote from a Charles Krauthammer column that you (admittedly approvingly) had partially reproduced on your site without acknowledging that's what she had done. Fourth, and far and away the worst, she mocks the idea of Christianity without any humor whatsoever, and proudly puts forth the idea that one cannot be a decent professor if one believes in God, Jesus or presumably any other deity.

I enjoy reading your blog, but I am not religious and am a political moderate. However, I don't see how anyone could fail to be worried about the fact that this woman is influencing students at a large university (in the Pac-10 no less!).


I was a stunned by her ham-handed attack on Christians. I'm almost never stunned.

162 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:01:16am

I found this on Michelle Malkin's blog...disheartening...this is part of what the crazy moonbat (redundant, yes) wrote:

"I’d like to hear more about your “tyke” by the way. Girl? Boy? Toddler? Teen? Are you still married to the woman you ephed to give birth to the tyke?
Tell all, bro!"

***

"[...] as I said elsewhere, if I woke up tomorrow and learned that someone else had shot you and your “tyke” it wouldn’t slow me down one iota. You aren’t “human” to me."
***

" Ooh. Two year old boy. Sounds hot. You live in Colorado, I see. Hope no one Jon-Benets your baby.

Are you still married to the woman you humped to produce the toddler? "

***

Give your pathetic progeny (I sure hope that mofo got good genes from his mama!) a big fat tongue-filled kiss from me! LOTS AND LOTS OF SALIVA from Auntie MOONBAT, if you don’t mind!

Somehow, Jeffy boy, I think you get off on the possibility of Frenching your pathetic progeny, even if it is a boy. You seem like a VERY, VERY sick mofo to me, bro.

163 armybrat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:02:01am

159 amyc- got an address on that? Let's see if they are aware of what she does in her spare time.

164 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:02:31am

#159 amyc

Heh, heh, heh. . . kinda explains a lot of what's wrong with society these days, doesn't it?

(Not that you can always trust scientists anymore than you can always trust psychiatrists).

165 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:06:02am

#127 BobTheBuilder

Her problem is that she seems to have forgot that she was "arguing" in public.

That's a common thing on the left. These dunces don't understand that the internet is accessable to everyone.

OTOH, certain people here would be well advised to remember that, too.

166 GregInSeattle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:06:36am

Pro Bush Canuck is correct.

If we ever get really angry, Islamofascists won't stand a chance. Unfortunately, the far left represents an internal, integrated threat that isn't easily beat.

167 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:06:42am

# 137 zulubaby

Here's what she said about the guy from UCLA: "A fellow named Stephen Bainbridge has his panties in a knot because I falsely described him as having supported Summers and criticized Churchill when in FACT, “professor Bainbridge” never even DISCUSSED the Summers fiasco."

Can I be next? I also supported Dr. Summers and think (soon-to-be-ex)Prof. Churchill is a certifiable moron. I also thought the late Dr. Denton was a poor choice for UC-SC, but she doesn't mention Dr. Denton in her post.

168 MoonbatBane  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:07:32am

#92 Chicken Kiev 7/8/2006 09:25AM PDT

Found her pic! Has anyone posted this yet?

Don't think that's here, just someone with the same name. Wrong degree.

Charles, if you can't verify that's her, you might want to delete 92 (no dis intended, CK) -- don't want to put the wrong person's face with a despicable leftists who posts about the sexual assualt and death of a two year old.

169 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:08:43am

163 armybrat. Here's the link. Done elegantly in the post I responded to, but here's my clumsy cut N paste :-)

[Link: www.decadeofbehavior.org...]

170 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:09:06am

#167 Midwestprof

The woman does seem to have a Churchill fixation, doesn't she? It's as if she's appointed herself his personal champion. . .

171 MoonbatBane  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:09:33am

#168 Don't think that's her PInMF

172 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:11:35am

163 armybrat. 152 skywise had the links and info. apparently the animal has testified on capital hill too.

173 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:11:58am

#92 -I am sure that is not her. The Deborah Frisch in question seems to have taught at U of Oregon and also, gasp, was a director at The National Science Institute (not sure of exact name of institution) in D.C.

174 armybrat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:12:38am

169 amyc- thanks! My own computer skills are pretty much limited to turning the damn thing on and hitting "post/send"! I think I'll try to put together a nice little letter to the good (?) administrators of the National Science Foundation to see why my tax dollars are providing employment for this lunatic.

175 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:12:40am

link

Mumford and Brandon already met with one class on November 22. They invited Deborah Frisch, PhD, a decision scientist from the National Science Foundation, also to attend the class. Dr. Frisch started the class off with a scenario about the Washington sniper incidents that illustrated human decision-making behaviors. The discussion then was opened up to more general concerns. Some of the questions posed were:
* How to predict panic in populations under assault, and how to normalize community behavior in a crisis.
* How to understand the terrorist mindset so as to be able to predict the selection of terrorist targets.
* Why some cops leak information to media knowing that it may harm an investigation.
* The negative impact of media in high profile law enforcement investigations.
* How to communicate information that the public wants during a crisis in a way that cannot be used to the detriment of the investigation.
* How to articulate the needs of the police to focus limited resources on likely suspects without appearing to apply profiling techniques.
* How to deal with police anxiety, which sometimes make it difficult for police to serve as a calming influence for the public.
* The American cultural preoccupation with assigning blame.

176 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:13:23am

#147 Pro-Bush Canuck

Agreed. The nuts are trying to run the asylum. No one has dared confront these sect since the 1960's in any serious manner. No one has stood up to them before the internet. They are loosing their smoke screen and this is what is really driving them mad. They can't stand up to reason and hide behind the one way mirror of the MSM anymore. This, I believe, drives them insane like we see here today.

We are on to their game and the gig is up.

177 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:14:16am

"I'll have the Roast Prof, with the moonbat salsa."

178 armybrat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:15:49am

177 CTP- don't bother- it's a little tough and pretty much inedible.

179 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:17:53am

#179 armybrat

Can you imagine how gamey a moonbat, hippie troll-of-a-prof would be?

180 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:21:13am
In hindsight, the things I wrote were over the line of nastiness. I apologize to Mr. Goldstein.


Only in hindsight? Rather: Spewed without restraint until I got into trouble.

I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there.

Haven't said anything to date that's reliable, but if I say so, it must be true.

Some blogs have posted comments that I perceive to be physically threatening. I have contacted the FBI and the Pajamas Media staff to determine how to proceed with this aspect of this unbelievable experience.


Hey, I can post perceived physically threatening comments against a little defensiveless kid, to terrorize his Daddy out of exercising his Free Speech rights but it's no need to get the FBI on it. Sheez. Sensitive. Maybe, if the case is filed alphabetically or with European dating day/month/year instead of US dating month/day/year, my FBI file will be handled in front of the other guy, giving me a chance to explain first how I've been intimidated.

181 armybrat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:21:17am

179 CTP- smelled enough of them when I visited Woodstock. If they taste anything like they smell...! It also begs the question how they can stand to get close enough to each other to procreate!

182 Pooh  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:22:00am

Deborah Frisch also stalked distinguished UCLA law professor Stephen Bainbridge

Update: Deborah Frisch continues stalking my site, sending trackbacks to multiple posts to link to ad hominem attacks. While I appreciate the boost to my TTLB Ecosystem link score, I'm not giving the [rhymes with witch] access to my site. Hence, she is the first and only person whose trackbacks I am routinely deleting from my site. (After her offensive emails, I've also added her to my email filter blocks.)

[Link: www.professorbainbridge.com...]

183 OregonMuse  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:22:57am

I'm suspicious of Crazy Deb's claim that she "lost her job" at the U of A. It just seems that it happened too awfully fast in an environment (academia)where decison-making is generally a long, drawn-out process. Look how long it's taken Colorado to get rid off an obvious plagiarist like Ward Churchill, for instance. I mean, there's investigations pursued and committee meetings and recommendations issued and, referring to higher authorities, etc.

Of course, Chutch was tenured and Crazy Deb is not. So maybe that's the difference.

Still, something doesn't smell quite right about it. Crazy Deb may be faking an injury to get the heat off her.

184 NiceLass  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:25:30am

I am seriously thinking about not sending my kids to college. Sad, isn't it?

This woman belongs in jail. And I hope she meets some other women in jail who happen to have kids and who happen not to appreciate adults threatening to stick their vile tongues into children's mouths.

185 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:25:59am

#175 LC Wedgie
Wow. What a tangled web they weave:

Dr. Frisch started the class off with a scenario about the Washington sniper incidents ...
* How to predict panic in populations under assault, and how to normalize community behavior in a crisis.
* How to understand the terrorist mindset so as to be able to predict the selection of terrorist targets.
* Why some cops leak information to media knowing that it may harm an investigation.
* The negative impact of media in high profile law enforcement investigations.
* How to communicate information that the public wants during a crisis in a way that cannot be used to the detriment of the investigation.
* How to articulate the needs of the police to focus limited resources on likely suspects without appearing to apply profiling techniques.
* How to deal with police anxiety, which sometimes make it difficult for police to serve as a calming influence for the public.
* The American cultural preoccupation with assigning blame.

No wonder it took so long to nail the snipers. All this time I'd been dumping scorn on the obstructionist Moose.

186 kynna  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:27:49am

She's definitely sick and her response by playing the victim now is typical lefty.

Deb, you need to start asking yourself "why do they hate me?"

Liberals are a joke and I'm not laughing anymore. Everything they do is so outrageous and yet they always seem to find a sympathetic ear.

187 pat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:28:54am

#183 OregonMuse

Her resignation is designed to avoid an investigation or entry into her personnel file.

188 fmfnavydoc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:30:31am

Hopefully the FBI and the local police in Jeff's area are looking into this, and are in contact with the police in Eugene, OR. Looks like the "doc" needs to be talking to a lawyer, and real soon...as well as a shrink...

Memo to the Lizard nation - we've seen how low the LLL can go in their attacks on people like us...but, we don't need to engage in a mob mentality and accidently associating pictures of people with the same name with individuals that resort to these tactics. The blogsphere has outed people like her, Chuch and others for their "utopian" ways (forgive me, Saint Thomas More). These people are outing themselves, almost like shooting fish in a barrel, and the rest of America are seeing them and their minions for who they are.

My hopes are that Jeff and his family are in no danger and that PW is back up and running soon...

To Defend: this is the pact.
But when live loses its value,
and is taken for naught -
Then the pact is - To Avenge

189 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:31:18am

If this women had access to a suicide belt. I actually think she might use it right now.

I love the smell of unhinged moonbats in the morining. The right blogsphere is getting better and better at pushing those moonbat unhinging buttons just right.

190 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:31:21am

OOps. Just read over at blackfive that she's a "former head of an NSF institute." the fact that she testified on cap hill is still a concern.

OH, and somebody found a pic of her with her "partner" and a little girl in a nighty in their kitchen. I don't know if outsiders can do anything, but that child is in danger...psychological at the very least.

191 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:31:42am
192 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:32:56am

184 NiceLass (this nic begs editing, i will resist)

I am seriously thinking about not sending my kids to college. Sad, isn't it?

Hillsdale

193 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:33:04am

#115 abu_garcia

There is no doubt in my mind that the University had to have some prior history with Ms. Frisch to have taken this action so soon.

She has to have already been a problem to them.

I think this is very likely. First, she is, essentially a failed academic. She was denied tenure at the University of Oregon, which means that she was not successful as a researcher.

Second, she was an adjunct prof at the U of A. Adjuncts are generally hired to teach a class or two, often an intro class. They are not full members of the faculty. At major universities, an adjunct prof is a second or third-tier member of the staff. (The exception would be a member of a professional community such as law or medicine who teaches a class as an adjunct as a sideline to his or her regular work.)

Third, there are a number of professors who maintain blogs on topics relevant to their professional expertise, but ranting and attacking based on one's political views would be viewed very unfavorably at most universities. University profs may be political liberals, but they are institutional conservatives, by which I mean that they are concerned about protecting the reputation of their disciplines and their institutions.

All of these reasons suggest that she would have been regarded as a low-rent person and, very likely, a PITA.

194 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:33:34am

183 or they had decided to not assign her any classes for the upcomming sememster already. She could well have done this shit to somebody in the department too.

195 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:33:39am

Regarding this woman's employer, the University of Arizona. These southern, desert univeristies have been magnets - and worked hard to be magnets for Muslim students. The climate and congeniality were/are very attractive, and thus attract a lot.
Even more attractive is that U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has a Human Resources Development Office (HRD) that selects foreign citizen candidates for study at schools like the University of Arizona, air fair, tuition, room and board.
The US taxpayer pays the bills.

196 pat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:35:35am

#175 LC Wedgie

Those look like sane and intelligent discussion points. And if properly presented, constructive as well. Too bad she used the articulated premises to do evil. In other words, this women appears to use her knowledge in an attempt to create anxiety and panic. Perhaps she should be investigated.

197 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:35:43am

Giving in to temptation.

All nice lasses have nice asses.

198 SkyeChild  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:35:53am

I would almost guarantee that she didn't resign...notice what she said at the end...I lost my job?

I suspect that the LAST thing the Uni of Arizona wants is the sort of publicity generated by this moonbat.

199 BobTheBuilder  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:36:09am

Deb updates her blog with some more wimpering, but no apology:

UPDATE: I have been receiving emails alluding to the fact that I got fired. I was not fired. I resigned. I was not pressured to resign. I just sent my boss an email explaining what was happening and told him I thought it was best for all involved if I resigned.

Protein Wisdom has been down since this all started so it is not possible to see all the comments and everything that led up to this. People are posting snippets of what I posted that have been embellished with references to french kissing and other things I didn't say.

When and if protein wisdom comes on line again, it will be hard to tell what Jeff added or deleted to the transcript.

I have been trying to get in touch with Pajamas Media to discuss some of my concerns about what has been published at Black Five about this issue. I feel threatened by some of the comments there.

If someone at pajamas media or better yet, froggy from Black Five, could email me, that would be great.

200 SpartanWoman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:36:24am

Ah, if only we were back in the good old days of psychiatry when straightjackets were still used (a few short years ago actually).

Truth be told, this woman certainly seems more a candidate for jail than for a mental hosptital. Sociopathy does not respond well to medications, but those who make terroristic threats to harm children are surely criminals.

I looked at her puling website and was particularly impressed by her unabomberesque "home".

201 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:36:41am

Nicelass...get the college review book from ISI

[Link: www.isi.org...]

it gives ideological information along with the other stuff you find in peterson's etc

202 toddhisattva  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:38:58am

One of my best friends grew up with eco-terrorist death threats because his father did work on things that frighten environmentalists.

Leftists target children: for death, for intimidation, for brainwashing, for sex.

203 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:40:26am

Some posters referred to Frisch as a psychiatrist, and others suggested that she was a clinical psychologist, i.e., someone who treats people w/ psychological problems.

She is neither. A psychiatrist is an MD who treats people for various kinds of psychological problems/mental illnesses using medications, psychotherapy, or both.

Clincal psychologists are PhDs who also treat people for various kinds of psychological problems/mental illnesses, using only psychotherapy. The are not MDs and cannot prescribe meds.

Frisch is (I use the term lightly) a research psychologist, which means she studies some aspect of human behavior. As I'm sure you all know, psychologists study all kinds of things (child development, school performance, group dynamics, behavior in organizations, etc; it's a long list). Frisch appears to be decision theorist, although I am confident the many distinguished researchers in that field would deplore her conduct.

204 Paul  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:40:44am

#179 christheprofessor

What the hell is wrong with academia? Here in Wisconsin we're dealing with Dr. Kevin Barrett, the "9/11 conspiracy fact" moonbat and professor of Islamic studies at UW,
and now this freak from the University of Arizona.

I know there are exceptions (e.g. you) but why are moonbats like Barrett, Frisch and Churhill so common?

205 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:41:00am

#199 Bob the Builder

She's in a hole, and digging deeper!

Still trying to blame it all on Jeff, Black 5, anybody, everybody. . .

I wonder if the FBI, the police, the kid's mother, has contacted her, and she's deserpately trying to shift the blame to somebody else?

206 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:42:36am
"Jeff - I lost my job... "

Hmmm... Did the chickens come home to roost?

LOL

207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:42:46am
208 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:43:00am

Frisch is no longer employed by the National Science Foundation. There's no reason to email them about her.

Sometimes people who are "between jobs" take short-term positions at NSF, but they do not lead the institution. As Americans, we should be proud of NSF, because they fund research in all areas of science that is important to all of us.

209 MegaTroopX  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:43:40am

Were I in Jeff's place, I'd blow her away and have a ready-made mitigating factor, right there in black and white.

"Well what was I supposed to do, officer, let her come after my son?"

Anyone who thinks this tactic will fly better realize that ths is not the UK, where the cops protect the rights of terrorists. Here, you come at someone's family, it's a war.

210 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:46:42am
I regret not suing the University of Oregon when the psychology department denied me tenure in 1994. If an economist whose writing and analytic skills are comparable to those of Ann Coulter can whine that he was discriminated against because of prejudice against Republicans, I surely could have won if I’d explained how I was discriminated against because I am gay"

This is why my being a "single" dyke is acceptable... there are, frankly, too few anti-idiotarians in this group of females.

211 scribe  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:47:12am

"I know there are exceptions (e.g. you) but why are moonbats like Barrett, Frisch and Churhill so common?"

They are not an exception and there is fundamentally wrong with the university system in the US (perhaps throughout the western world).

The university system (as a research institute) which is of recent vintage was developed in order to further the cultural and scientific development of society.

Instead these institutes have become a fifth column in their societies attacking them at every turn.

They are like an infection that attacks the host body and should be either removed or reformed so that they will perform their original goal.

It’s either them or us.

212 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:47:22am

208 JustMyView

As Americans, we should be proud of NSF, because they fund research in all areas of science that is important to all of us.

Sorry, NOT proud of socialism in any form.

213 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:47:29am

It gets even better.

Somebody calling themself "Deb" is posting over at Black 5 now, blaming---you guessed it---Jeff Goldstein himself for driving her to make those remarks! She felt "threatened" and "disgusted".

The post starts out:

"Thanks for the publicity, dude. Jeff Goldstein allowed commenters on his blog to wrote graphic, threatening, disgusting, sexual, violent things about me. I wrote about how I felt threatened and disgusted. He did nothing."

Of course, when most of us happen across a blog that offends us, we just don't read it anymore. We don't feel called up to show them the error of the ways by offering graphic threats. . .

If "Deb" really is the same person as Deborah Frisch---somebody please take this woman's shovel away, before she digs herself any deeper!

214 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:47:38am

She writes about 911:

In thinking about whether there is reason to be suspicious of the standard story, the thing that I find most interesting is the huge difference in attention paid to the different events. Think about how much you’ve seen and read about the collapse of the towers and how little you’ve seen and read about the crash at the Pentagon. Shouldn’t there be some media curiosity about how security at the PENTAGON was breached almost an hour after the first plane crashed into the WTC? Shouldn’t there be some curiosity about how such a big plane full of fuel caused such little damage?

Speaking of conspiracy theories, there was a fascinating article in the New York Times on Sunday by Theodore Sorenson and Arthur Schlesinger Jr. about John F. Kennedy’s plan to end the Vietnam War. Their op-ed piece states that at a press conference on November 14, 1963, Kennedy said “That is our object, to bring Americans home.” Ten days later he was dead. Coincidence? Or was ending the Vietnam War unacceptable to the power structure in war$hington, d.c.?

215 Simple Voice  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:47:55am

Do lefty sites like Kos, DU and the such ever suffer from DoS attack?

216 windybon  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:50:12am

I followed Spiney Norman's link to Black Five to read the comments. A poster there was able to find a cached link to the thread that started it all at PW. This woman is really deranged, unhinged, just plain not well.

217 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:50:13am

#204 Paul

Here' the (relatively) short answer:

Back in the 60s, many who wanted to avoid the draft stay after college for grad school, then got doctorates. They weren't really interested in serious teaching or research, just avoiding the draft. Then, they realized that be becoming tenured profs, they could no longer be held accountable or responsible for whatever bullshit they spewed forth at their captive student audiences (not to mention get all the young women and good drugs they could handle). These folks now control the tenure process (not so much an issue in the sciences and B-schools as in the liberal arts), so they only allow like-minded indivuduals to achieve tenure. The more outrageously anti-American, anti-capitalist, etc, the better. So, there is an almost inpenetrable, inbred worldview that is so warped as to be meaningless (seriously, in a world of fact, reason, and rationality, would Ward Churchill ever have been hired in the first place, let alone tenured?). You can pretty much track it back to when higher education transformed into liberal indoctrination.

As an aside, many of these draft-dodgers are now in high level administrative positions. Pretty scary.

218 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:50:17am

#215 Simple Voice 7/8/2006 10:47AM PDT

Do lefty sites like Kos, DU and the such ever suffer from DoS attack?

Why would a 'winger' remove/deny such entertainment from the rest of us?

219 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:52:43am

#215 Simple Voice,

Not really, Most hacker wannabe are script kiddies who seek out and prey for anarchy where ever they can find it. It just so happens the leftist idealogies give them the Jolt they are looking for and Conservatives, who have integrity and maturity, beceme their targets of choice.

This behavior is not typically reciprical. But it can be defensive in nature.

220 pat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:53:02am

207 ploone

AHA! My comment above:

I agree, she will likely be found to be a serial offender. Likewise with the creepy pedophilia and procreation angle. This girl does indeed have some "issues".

221 Isobella  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:53:26am

I don't recall seeing anywhere on PW where any commenters threatened her. They mocked her, yes, but no threats.

The first time I saw her on PW was last weekend and she was looking for a fight from the word go. She acted like she wanted to get banned, but JG wouldn’t do it because he wanted to use her as a shining example of what academia has to offer today.

222 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:53:30am

re: my #217 wow, really should have PIMFed that.. Sorry for all the typos...

223 dicentra  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:53:42am

To answer the question of what Jeff wrote that provoked her, here's the Google cache of her debut on PW.

Look for "southwestpaw."

I was following PW through this whole thing, and it was obvious from the beginning that Frisch had merely wandered over from who knows where and decided to leave her uniquely foul-smelling troll-droppings at PW for no particular reason. The vast majority of her comments had nothing to do with the topic at hand. For example:

This is like troll heaven - tons of people with nothing better to do than blather here and a good percentage of them willing to play with me!

You rightwing looneytunes are great - you’re multisyllabic and sometimes even funny!

Icing on the cake would be a couple of kooky kristians who believe:

There’s this guy.
His name is god.
He lives in the sky.
He had a son named Jesus by a virgin named Mary.
Jesus died for YOUR sins but he lives for ever.
What a guy.
Of course, what would you expect from the Son of GOD!

Come on, I know you’re out there kooky kristians - doncha wanna play?

She wasn't provoking the rage she wanted: the PW commenters tend to respond with cleverness rather than incoherent sputtering.

So over the course of several days and several threads, she kept escalating the rhetoric until she hit bottom with those comments about Jeff's kid. Then the DDOS attacks.

In the course of her trolling she copped to the following:

She's a "card-carrying lesbian." (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

She was denied tenure for being a "gadfly."


As many of you have noticed, she's a serial troll. Much of the crap she spewed on PW she also spewed, sometimes verbatim (especially in the case of her "poems") on other sites.

IMO, she's got some kind of personality disorder, which means she's essentially beyond help.

She's more obnoxious than dangerous, and, as trolls go, highly entertaining, given that she's so far out there she can't make a coherent point.

She's not the same as the woman who does the "Binglés" cards, but she was in Oregon and I think she was at NSA. And she defended Chuch.

But I wouldn't associate her too closely with the Left side of the blogosphere. I don't think she has a lot of friends over there, either.

224 scribe  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:54:12am

Btw:

The lunatic Frisch has an article in Counterpunch (should be called punchbelowthebelt) defending doctorless Ward Churchill:


Eichmann, Milgram, Arendt and Zimbardo
A Psychologist's Defense of Ward Churchill
By DEBORAH FRISCH

[Link: www.counterpunch.org...]

225 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:55:14am
I said: As Americans, we should be proud of NSF, because they fund research in all areas of science that is important to all of us.

BenZacharia said; Sorry, NOT proud of socialism in any form.

Are you suggesting that astronomers should fund the construction and maintenance of telescopes from their salaries? How about physicists? Should they pay for nuclear reactors from their disposable income?

Get real. Without the investment of our taxes, we would be in sad shape in terms of scientific advances in MANY fields.

Even industries that carry out lots of research, such as the pharmaceutical industry, much of the basic science needed to develop new products is done in tax-funded university labs.

226 jooly  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:55:17am

She update her blog and she is not quite so apologetic as earlier. This is really going to piss off Goldstein.

227 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:57:37am

#217 christheprofessor

Couldn't have said it better myself.

A couple of additions, though. In the sciences and especially engineering, it's not quite so bad. Also, many of the younger PhDs are coming originally from places like India, Africa, Eastern Europe, and the like (alas, the Islamic world, too). The new PhDs may not be as warped as the 68-ers.

228 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:00:41am

#226 jooly

Deb just threw out the "feels threatened" card.

229 MegaTroopX  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:01:53am

33 Darwin Akbar

Have I mentioned I love that name?

230 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:01:59am

Uh-huh, looking at her blog, the fix is in:

It's going to be Jeff's fault---and Black 5's fault---and Pajamasmedia's fault; she was quoted out of context; she was set up; she didn't really say what she said, or, if she did, she was quoted out of context; it's the Kooky Kristians out to get her; it's the Jews; did we mention she was quoted out of context? It was a joke, and she was quoted out of context.

231 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:03:10am

#227 Midwestprof

Thanks -- I'm sure you could have sait it just as well, and with fewer typos!

I agree completely about the sciences. There and in the B-schools, where performance can and is objectively measurable and measured, it is hard for moonbatiness to take hold.

I'm hoping that when the 60s draft-dodgers cycle out, things will get better. That said, there still remains the matter of the Chutch-like dolts they've put in place to carry on the tradition...

232 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:04:15am

I forget where someone linked the original Google cache of Frisch's first set of truly unhinged posts at PW. I have too many windows open and have been reading the thread for about an hour. It's long.

Basically, everyone was nice but sarcastic until she begins to justify hatred for "Dittoheads" and "Kooky Kristians." She has different ideas about tolerance, you see.

Back to read the rest. Nobody has come close to threatening her yet.

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:04:39am
234 gilbert_sundevil  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:05:27am

As a proud graduate of Arizona State University, I think I speak for all Sundevils when I say that I couldn't be happier that this professor teaches at the university of arizona.

GO DEVILS!

235 BoghRD  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:05:48am

Mrs Frisch is a very prolific Learned One:

Here she defends Ward Churchill in 'A Psychologist's Defense of Ward Churchill'

It is truely illuminating...

She is a minor Excremental in an Army of Excrementals...

Note: Nice photo of our Center-Left Luminary on the above link to my silly little blog site. Well, not quite :-{

236 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:06:45am

#207 Ploome Hineni

The moonbat says:

I was discriminated against because I am gay.

Nope, girlie, you sound miserable and sad to me, not merry at all.

237 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:08:10am
238 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:09:19am
239 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:12:45am

#184 NiceLass

I am seriously thinking about not sending my kids to college. Sad, isn't it?

MISTAKE ! My children have been so disgusted by the ideological pressure they suffered at their college that they jumped into the field of truth and sanity.

240 ToxMan  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:12:46am

Of all of Arizona, Tucson has the most liberals and democrats

UofA (where I work) has a disproportionate number, too

I always enjoy the responses I get from my bumper sticker, "WWRD - What Would Reagan Do?"

241 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:13:27am

She's delusional:

If you jump in the next time someone makes an inappropriate sexual or physical reference or physically threatening comment, I hope you jump in and call the pathetic mofo on it. That really is a disgusting way to let your friends treat someone you are pretending is human. I think you understand, Dan. Thanks, bro.


Thing is, I'm at least a few hundred comments into the thread and she's by far the nastiest poster. PW's posters are ridiculing her very effectively. I'm sure she was expecting a particular response and couldn't deal with the reality of looking stupid. Tripped up by hubris, not shocking.

242 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:15:42am

#213 TalkinKamel

Of course, when most of us happen across a blog that offends us, we just don't read it anymore. We don't feel called up to show them the error of the ways by offering graphic threats. . .

Am not so sure about that, at least not about the "don't read it anymore" part. If that were true, there'd be fewer comments (and posts) based on what appears at DU, DailyKos, Glenn Greenwald, and other leftist outposts.

243 Poimanester  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:15:51am

Let's see. A Gay psychology professor who supports Ward Churchill, demeans heterosexual women and threatens kids.

Yeah, it's a cultural war.

File under: "Things that make you go 'hmmm…'”

244 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:16:04am

#238 Ploome Hineni

why do these peeple think we care what they do with their peepees?

It's a specific cultural prejudice of the moonbats: they are

PEEPEECENTRIC

It's the last, sad cry of Western Imperialism, or something...

/if that "PEEPLE" isn't a mistake, it's GENIUS.

245 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:16:17am

I love this snippet from a post by the gibbering prof...

Kooky Kristianistic Bible Humping Doody Heads

You can't buy humor like this.

246 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:17:01am

#185 wanumba -
#196 pat -

It's hard to imagine that it's the same person.

247 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:17:46am

210 flying tigress. you do have my sympathies. I have only met one lesbian who didn't have a huge chip on her shoulder. The others have been miserable human beings. Mary Cheney seems to be one of those rare exceptions. Ellen DeGeneres may be a moonbat, but she doesn't come across as super bitter...but I haven't watched her (or any other TV ouside of kiddie stuff and sports) for many years, so I could be totally wrong about her.

248 Poimanester  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:18:35am

#243 - Make that "culture" war.

249 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:20:04am

#231 christheprofessor

People tend to forget about what you call the B-schools. These are the good, usually small, colleges and universities which are not really research-driven. They are teaching-oriented. That is the type of school I'm at and it's the type where my daughter is going (when she's of age).

I visited San Francisco State University a while back. And, surprisingly, parts of it fit that picture I just painted of a teaching-oriented, small, student-oriented college (the sciences and engineering, again). Large chunks of it, sorry to say, also fit the description of a "Moonbat U".

I'm just finishing David Horowitz's book on the 101 worst profs. It appears to me that most of them are harbored in the new, "progressive" programs like Women's Studies, Queer Studies, Peace Studies, etc.

I wouldn't waste my hard-earned kids' college savings on one of those programs. My kid would pump gas instead (it's more honorable).

250 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:21:46am

Charles,

She said she is trying to contact someone from Pajama Media.

I have been trying to get in touch with Pajamas Media to discuss some of my concerns about what has been published at Black Five about this issue. I feel threatened by some of the comments there.

If someone at pajamas media or better yet, froggy from Black Five, could email me, that would be great.

You should help her out. Let's see where she takes it next.

251 OregonMuse  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:21:52am
I don't recall seeing anywhere on PW where any commenters threatened her. They mocked her, yes, but no threats.

Actually, this is a nice little glimpse into the left wing mindset. Even if the PW regulars hadn't mocked her, even if they had been scrupulously polite to her across the board, Crazy Deb would still claim to feel "threatened." That's because the left always feels threatened, not by actual threats, but by anyone who has the temerity to publicly express views that are different from and are in opposition to theirs. Therefore such voices must be silenced, and since Crazy Deb is unable to get Jeff G. to shut up, he therefore becomes a "threat" to her. This has the added benefit of allowing her to play the victim card.

Right now it looks like Crazy Deb is furiously trying to spin recent events to make it look like she was attacked. It's just pathetic.

Note on the Oregon Country Fair: it's just an annual hippie festival, lots of nudity, bizarre behavior, and drug use. Those of use who hold that God is omnipresent can also believe that there are some places where He is more present than others, in which case the Oregon Country Fair is one place where it looks like His presence is at the barest minimum. No wonder Crazy Deb likes it so much.

252 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:22:28am

I read through Frisch's site. Evidentally she was also denied tenure at the University of Arizona, and only kept her job at all because she threatened a sexual harassment suit; hence she was demoted to adjunct status.

I bet she resigned to avoid being fired for cause, which really is the death knell to an academic career.

Here's the coolest thing about blogs: when you're offended, you can just leave! I stopped reading LaShawn Barber's site because she was always criticizing public school teachers with exception. She has the right to write what she wants, and I have the right to read what I want. What's the problem?

253 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:23:02am

214 egfrow. Lee Harvy Oswald was part of the power structure in Washington, DC? LOL whoa.

Is she accusing LBJ? Yeah, LBJ was a crook in the old TX politician mode, but I think his passion was much more focused on domestic issues. Why he chose to escalate Vietnam I'll never really understand.

I do know that democrats of that generation tended to be fierce anti-communists...my grandparents were prime examples. I learned much of the evils of communism from my very liberal grandma. She and I watched a TV Nicholas and Alexandra movie together when I was a kid. Then she gave me the book. Left me the Gulag Archepelago after she died. No joke. Never made it thru the Gulag. Kinda felt I already had the message.

254 kateca  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:23:31am

What is it with dem's and children?

Didn't they also try to go after John Roberts child?

The ACLU defending NAMBLA, because "everyone is entitled to a defence."

Liberal judges giving probabtion to child molester's because they "wouldn't do well in prison".

Parents under assault for spanking their kids.

Rob Reiner wanting the State to be the only legal provider for day-care in California.

Hillary "it takes a village", (parents are irrelevant).

255 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:23:52am

This passes for academic perspective. But she claims to have no religion.

The USA is a sick, diseased, cancer, blight on the earth. This is a fact. You guys are in denial about it and hate the fact that I’ve got the chutzpah to hang here and tell it like it is.


Sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah to me, the "secular" Left's version anyway.

256 Moe Katz  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:24:51am

#109 Hidden Imam

Doesn't the 'ivory tower' just make you tear your hair out?

257 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:26:10am

#249 Midwestprof

People tend to forget about what you call the B-schools. These are the good, usually small, colleges and universities which are not really research-driven. They are teaching-oriented. That is the type of school I'm at and it's the type where my daughter is going (when she's of age).

There are plenty of B-schools at big-name universities, and the profs in those schools are evaluated on the basis of research productivity just as are professors in other fields. The list is long.

258 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:26:14am

243 poimaster. Hmmm. She and Ward would get along quite well. They both hate the country that sustains them, and they both love to demean heterosexual women.

259 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:27:09am

Charles,

She has posted here pretending to be a conservative.

www.littlegreenfootballs.com...] target="_blank">

Southwestpaw is her handle.

260 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:27:45am
261 Paul  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:29:58am

#217 christheprofessor

Thanks. Your insights coincide with the opinions of a friend of mine who is a professor of economics here in Milwaukee. He teaches in the Business School and notes that most of the academic craziness originates in the humanities department.

And speaking of craziness, here's an observation from Dr. Frisch, dated November 3, 2004.

For the past thirty-eight months [i.e. since 09/11/01], I have felt a growing alienation from American society, increasing my contempt toward my fellow citizens...I look at the electoral map, at the bloody red states who relish watching World War III on their teevees..[and blah, blah, blah]

262 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:30:08am

#249 Midwestprof

I'm at one of those too... Hardly a peep about politics, the focus is on teaching and critical thinking... We have a Country Joe looking guy, long pony-tail of gray-laced hair and all, who teaches in the sciences. He's a Republican, as am I...

That said, what I meant by B-schools was schools or colleges of business, not "second"-tier schools... ;)

I've been meaning to pick up Horowitz's book for a while... Do you remember the lady that Rush used to mock, who wrote the paper on "male lesbianism?" That's the kind of pseudo-intellectualism that passes for scholarship in those weird Womyn's Studies et al types of departments.

263 Hillbilly Geek  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:30:10am

Guys and gals!
Come on, this is just the basic self-destructive behaviour of the left (and others). They are self-hating, and this translates to hatred of their own young and species.

Romans 1: 28* And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29* Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30* Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31* Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32* Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
2:1* Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2* But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.


But remember:
According to modern thinking, there is no wrong or right! (Kinda makes it hard to appologize properly)

264 ahem  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:31:26am

If you examine the posts she's made on various blogs, it soon becomes clear that she has moments of greater and lesser lucidity. In the hours before the blowup, her posting became gradually more wierd, leading some of us to believe she was either drinking or off her meds. She may be bipolar or have a personality disorder of some kind. At some level the university is aware of this otherwise she wouldn't be a mere adjunct.

You may draw some conclusions about the left culture wars, professors and lesbians from her behavior, but realize they're limited. This person is ill.

265 amyc  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:32:39am

Beagle, I even remember a regular poster at PW who wished her well, and hoped she would find relief from whatever was making her feel so alienated and hateful. That was a while back, as I recall.

Guess it didn't do much good.

266 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:34:12am

Frisch's site:

UPDATE (11:20 a.m.): Comments are turned off. I get the drift.

267 Hillbilly Geek  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:37:40am

Comments are now off for that entry at deb's site... Got the next to last post! Does that count for anything? ;-)

268 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:38:19am

OK, now there's a very good debate going on between someone nicked "Brooksfoe" and other regular PW posters. She drops this gem:

Don’t you think those bumper stickers should say “support our dupes?” Those poor soldiers going to Iraq to die for a lie. Uncle Sam can’t even come up with $70/soldier for foam lining inside the kevlar helmets. So when the poor dupes get hit with shrapnel, their heads bang around inside the helmet causing as much damage as the shrapnel would have!

There’s a simple solution - just line the helmets with foam. But Sam can’t come up with less than a Franklin per soldier.

Not a very nice way to show support for the dupes dying and killing for nothing.


Get it? "Support our dupes"

It should be "troops." Get it now? She's in over her head, has been forgotten, and plows back in with a rehash of a stupid blog post. It's the worst kind of imbecilic trolling, and some parents paid for it.

269 Nahanni  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:38:57am

Personally I hope that Jeff takes legal action against her. My guess is that she was given the option of either resign or be fired, because if she made any of those posts from a UofA computer the school could be sued.

As to her post on the subject...

One of the hallmarks of adulthood is the ability to take responsibility for your actions, she does not. In reading her comment she has nailed herself on a cross and cried "victimhood" like a good little leftist liberal loon. Too bad that will only work for her in the "reality-based community".

Her whiney, pouty post on this subject sounds just like a child trying to justify and defend why they beat the neighbors dog to death.

She is another poster child for the adage "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

270 Beagle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:41:11am

Deb is not threatened on that thread. I read the whole thing. It took a long time. Those, I'm confident, are Deb's highlights. Or you could call them troll droppings. Same thing in her case.

Her complete meltdown must be on another thread.

271 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:42:55am

#257 JustMyView

I think Midwestprof mistook B-school for second-tier rather than Business School... No harm, no foul...

#261 Paul

Quite welcome. I think a lot of people outside the humanities and soft sciences recognize what is happening there. I'm with Midwestprof -- there is no way in Hades I would let my kid (if I had any) major in any of that silliness. Put 'em in the sciences or business, they should do just fine...

272 SunCat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:43:18am

A psychology proff should know about projection: where one's own unacceptable qualities are ascribed to another.

If she made death threats she should be prosecuted.

Really very simple.

273 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:43:44am

#255 Beagle

Some home improvement:
(sound of drilling, cloud of portland dust, hammering...)

The left is a sick, diseased, cancer, blight on the earth

It looks nice, doesn't it ?

274 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:44:38am

Drudge linked to this NYTimes article on the declining male population at colleges:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
What is so annoying is the usual NYTimes "why is all this so?" and ignores the 600 pound gorilla. They don't even mention the creepy, agressive female professors, and wussified male professors.

275 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:44:57am

#262 christheprofessor
#257 JustMyView

Ah, B-schools = Business Schools. Sorry to say (maybe "sorry" is not the word) I've never taught at a uni where they've had one.

Yes, we're all evaluated on the big 3: Teaching, Research and Scholarly Activity, and Service. It's apparent, though, especially if you read Horowitz, that some peoples' idea of "scholarly activity" is a bit different than what I would call the accepted norm. A good example is Churchill.

"Publish or Perish" leads to the publication of just about anything in order to get the credits for tenure and promotion. I've seen it.

276 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:44:59am

She wishes to post her pic as a public service folks.

http://debfrisch.com/archives/2005/04/jane_bond.ht ml

277 Nahanni  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:45:13am

#77 TotallySirius

I would bet that you are right. Unfortunately for them they will be eventually traced and prosecuted.

278 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:46:06am

#270 Beagle

I'm going through myself (beats cleaning the house) and agree that there is nothing but mocking of SWP over there (not through yet, though). My personal favorite, from somebody who took the nic "southwestpaw'smaw:"

You better get off the computer and start on that book report for summer school this instant, young man! I will NOT have you repeating eighth grade again!

279 Bucky Katt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:47:26am

Was over at Ace's site and in the comments section of this particular topic it appears that Lil' Debbie is trying to make nice with Ace to help mend fences. Interesting.

Sigmund Freud must be turning over in his grave at this point.

280 BoghRD  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:47:48am

More writings by the Steven Hawking Robert Fist of her time - Deborah Frisch:

Here she YELLS - BRING IT ON in a post (January 2005) titled 'On Blogosphere Manners'

Me thinks she has been angry for some time now...

Me thinks she is crying for attention...

She is proud to be a lout...

281 mainah  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:49:10am

is that debbs?
[Link: www.christopherhouse.org...]

282 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:50:05am

#276 Intestinal

That pic screams "I'm nuts" and I keep getting these thought flashes of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

283 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:51:05am

#281 mainah

I don't think that's jane bond

284 FlyingTigress  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:54:08am

#247

The only things that I have any bitterness about, I tend to keep to myself. And, those feelings of bitterness are focused upon specific actions by specific individuals who've 'hosed' me -- personally.

If Ms Right is out there, great. If not, no problem. I thought that I found her (some on LGF may recall my references to this GORGEOUS ex-military blonde), but she went stark-raving MoveOn/Code Pink/BDS on me after the 2004 election.

Side issue:

It is personally amusing to read Ms "South(west)Paw's" belated thought to use her sexual orientation as a weapon to overcome the first denial of tenure. I had (back when I was partnered) a subordinate who was a middle-aged dyke who'd taken a second career -- leaving the field of anthropology for civil engineering. Serious personality disorders. Each day was an adventure in "which (name deleted) are we going to get, today?" And, then, a "which (name deleted) am I going to get, when I talk to her about a performance issue?" She tried to use "homophobia" (she didn't know about me) as an excuse for the constructive remarks about her performance until my DP (who worked for the same employer, but in a different department) came over one day, and decided to 'casually' introduce herself as "I'm KAL's DP" one day.

I was told that the look on (name deleted)'s face was one for the "Priceless" category.

The point is that I've seen too many gay women (in particular) trot out the homophobia excuse when others 'call' them on their personality/work ethic problems. Seen it personally, and it is particularly annoying.

285 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:54:21am

#282 TotallySirius

I like her take on web communication::

It all just sounds angry, pissed, hostile, etc. We didn't evolve to communicate this way.

Yet she falls into her own trap. She's kinda' wierd.

286 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:54:23am

#260 Egfrow
Nice find!

287 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 9:58:00am

She has a new post up. Begging for mercy...

clarification re: white flag
I just got an email that said:

You got what you f***ing deserve. It's only a positive thing for the country; one less liberal warping the minds of American students in tax-payer funded colleges. NO ONE feels sorry for you, you've done this all to yourself. Ha,ha!

The point of resigning is that it is something I was thinking of doing anyway. I want to stay in Eugene, OR where moonbats rule instead of living in Tucson, AZ where moonbats are in the minority. So my point is not that you should feel sorry for me but rather you should lay off the stalking like the emails to the head of the psych department at the University of Arizona, the nasty, threatening comments at the various rightwingnut blogs that have jumped on this "story."

The department head said he would deal with this on Monday. No one has formally accepted my resignation yet. I've just submitted it. I understand there are many, many people out there who will want to know how the University of Arizona responds to my offer to give up my temporary gig teaching psychology next year. I will let you all know on Monday or Tuesday.

I'm just asking y'all to leave me alone and go stalk another moonbat.


Request dennied.
/carry on

288 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:00:14am

#275 Midwestprof

I agree, the publish or perish thing results in absolute crap being published. On the flip side, I've seen "heavy hitters" publish crap which only got published by virtue of their names (let's face it -- it may be a blind review process, but I've reviewed enough manuscripts to have a damn good idea of the author(s), and I know how editors send out manuscripts)).

For example, I've seen a published article in which the authors state that, according to their manipulation check, the experimental manipulation didn't take (in other words, they didn't have a treatment group and a control group, just one big group). A few pages later, they say that the reason they didn't find the differences between the two groups was theie small sample sizes resulted in a lack of statistical power -- that is, too little power to detect the differences they believed were there. Um, no, if your manipulation failed, there was only one group! The "big name" could get that published, but your typical junior faculty member would have had it rejected immediately...

289 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:01:09am
The department head said he would deal with this on Monday. No one has formally accepted my resignation yet. I've just submitted it. I understand there are many, many people out there who will want to know how the University of Arizona responds to my offer to give up my temporary gig teaching psychology next year. I will let you all know on Monday or Tuesday.


A virtual resignation.

290 republic  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:01:11am

leftism: A serious mental illness, with no known cure.

291 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:01:18am
I'm just asking y'all to leave me alone and go stalk another moonbat.

I say we give her a Hudna.

292 Karl Rove  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:01:30am

More fun with liberals, threats and Jeff Goldstein here.

293 HVT  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:02:07am
I wonder if she's single. Maybe we could set her up with Christian Taylor Briggs... the Saddam Human Shield turned Green Party Peace Activist who battered an English musician into a coma.

Or David Horowitz...he is fond of going after little kids too. And a little more prominent than some obscure academic.

294 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:04:17am

#287 Killgore Trout

I want to stay in Eugene, OR where moonbats rule

Eh eh, the subversives don't understand that their 40 years of reign ended: the counterinsurgency will reach every corner of the Country.

Move to Cuba, babe.

295 ahem  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:05:08am

mainah: No, that is not her.

296 republic  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:05:58am

University of Arizona, yet another wacko kook college system that none of my three daughters will ever attend!

They are far, far too precious, to subject them to the kind of ultra insanity that goes on in these wacked out leftist college campuses.

297 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:07:35am

#293 HVT

Or David Horowitz...he is fond of going after little kids too. And a little more prominent than some obscure academic

.
This is an example of the higher evolved intellects amongst us. Defend the indefensible by smearing someone else who has nothing to do with the people nor circumstances in question.

298 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:08:28am

#256 Moe Katz

Doesn't the 'ivory tower' just make you tear your hair out?

It's an Ivy Ivory tower.

Thankfully, I have a good deal of hair.

299 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:08:36am

#286 Killgore Trout,

I've read all previou posts on LGF by the nick southwestpaw and they seem to stop at the end of 2004. It might not be the same person but it is pretty wierd.

Here are the posts.

Google Search of LGF

300 Pitiricus  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:10:02am

Deborah Frisch is an adjunct professor.. This means she hasn't tenure and is employed at will" to give courses... The way to fire her is not to assign any course to her... She IS NOT an academic as she herself says she never got tenure (she says because she is lesbian, I guess because she is nut)...

301 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:11:06am

#297 wanumba

They especially hate David Horowitz, because he used to be a lib who saw the light... Or evolved past the 60s bullshit, if you will...

302 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:15:23am

#287 Kilgore Trout

The point of resigning is that it is something I was thinking of doing anyway.

ROFLMAO! That is so freakin' juvenile. Does she honestly think that anyone believes that?! What a wackadoodle!

303 TotallySirius  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:15:43am

The University should refuse to accept her resignation...then fire her!

304 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:16:51am

#299 Egfrow
It would be one hell of a coincidence (although not impossible) if it was someone else. I tried searching through Dkos to see if she ever posted there but couldn't find anything.

305 FrogMarch  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:21:04am

Leftist trolls:

Please. You have to do more than make assertions &/or allegations. It is your duty to defend those assertions and defend them honestly. Funny how you leftists are never really able to do that. Instead, we get bunk.

You actually have to back up your assertions with honest debate. Illogical allegations based on nothing or simply half-truth out-of-context BS do not cut it. Otherwise you lose credibility. That is how it works.

306 Powderfinger  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:21:45am

#304 Killgore Trout


It would be one hell of a coincidence (although not impossible) if it was someone else.

They don't read a bit like her. In fact, there's one that references a church function which this nutbar wouldn't be caught dead in.

It looks like an unlikely but actual coincidence of nics.

307 Dianna  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:25:09am

I find it fascinating that my comments to her blog were never posted. I'd be interested to see what other comments weren't posted, or were deleted.

My guess: if the comments were moderate, and factual, Ms. Frisch never allowed them to show. She's working the victim angle, hard.

308 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:26:08am

#305 Frogmarch
If they could read and consider your post even marginally fairly, then they wouldn't be considered trolls in the first place, sad to say.

309 dicentra  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:27:45am

Here are some of the other places that Deb has left her droppings:

Left2Right, Crooked Timber, ProfessorBainbridge.com, Deinonychus antirrhopus, Cafe Hayek, EconLog, Villainous Company, and Freakonomics Blog.

She's now over at Ace of Spades asking for parley. Wonder what she wants.

310 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:27:49am

#304 Powderfinger

Southpaw is a fairly common term... I don't think it is too much of a stretch for a number of people to come up with Southwestpaw... I agree, probably not the same person...

311 BoghRD  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:29:02am

I am starting to compile this Moonbats 'Bibliography'

At least as far as her Blogosphere Commentary goes...

She seems to have lost her manners years ago...

Poor Professor - The Net is Forever...

Also, for further enjoyment - She attends the AbbeyFest. Art for Anarchists!

312 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:29:58am

#306 Powderfinger
You might be right, if it is her she's pretty convincing. When I first started posting over at Kos I was a fairly convincing Koskid for a while, My goal was to see how many "recommends" I could rack up. It might be her, but i think you're probably right. I don't think she's sane enough to even fake sanity.

313 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:30:22am

Willing to bet that a bunch of the usual suspects are following this, but can't figure out yet how to jump in and start muddying the waters without exposing themselves. There will be a unified front of talking points emerging soon.

314 toddhisattva  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:34:40am

#147 Pro-Bush Canuck

If I were Coach of Team USA I would trade Neil Young for you!

Islamist violence against the West is a symptom of the ascendancy of the Left.

I've never thought of it that way. I knew they were intimately related, but missed the "symptom" relationship. I love it when a blog expands my worldview.

Oh, and Hitler was not "far right" except insofar as the far right and the far left are largely indistinguisahable (which can plainly be seen in this incident; Frisch is clearly virulently anti-Semitic).

Nazism (National Socialism) was every bit as much a product of the Frisch's of this world as was Stalinism and the Khmer Rouge.


I call it The Biggest Lie: that Nazism is "right-wing."

I mean, we have this Socialist in Italy, Benito Mussolini, who gets more and more Socialist, gets public transportation to run on time and so on, more and more Leftist and then all of a sudden he becomes a right-winger?

There is a discontinuity in the left-right spectrum, a wrap-around warping, that yells "kludge" to me. Like millions of useful idiots have been lying to themselves and others about the nature of evil, even teaching the lies in schools.

As you mentioned, the National Socialist German Workers' Party was far more Left than Right. The most-represented "profession" in the Nazi Party was, unsuprisingly, schoolteachers. Yet one morning all of a sudden these Socialist Workers wake up as "right-wingers."

The Nazis are Leftists. Not all Leftists are Nazis, but they will kill each other and innocent bystanders by the millions arguing the difference.

I will now go cogitate on "symptom of the Left's ascendancy." It has opened a lot of scenarios for me to game!

315 dicentra  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:36:01am

#99 Egfrow:

I don't think the LGF southwestpaw is Deb Frisch. It's not at all inflammatory, it's right-leaning, and there's no mention of Kooky Kristians.

316 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:37:54am

The woman is a lunatic.

The University of Arizona should send a letter to every student she had ever had detailing this event. These folks need to know what she is.

I wonder if this story ever run in the NYT?

317 Sheepdogess  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:38:55am

She may suicide.

318 The_Pickle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:43:01am

And some folks still give me grief when I tell them that Liberalism is a "Mental Disease".

Oh well just one more article that shows that to be a true-blue dyed-in-the-wool liberal one truely needs to be "nucking futs".

319 TalkinKamel  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:47:02am

#242 Just my View

Some Lizaroids here look at Left blogs sometimes; others---like myself---honestly can't stand to read them, for more than a few lines at least.

I think Conservatives, on the whole, are far more likely to leave leftwing bloggers/posters alone, than vice versa. And, no, I don't think Frisch can excuse her threats against Jeff's kid by claiming she was offended by the posts on his website. She could have:

1. Complained to him, politely, about said posts, and, if he still didn't do anything. . .

2. Stopped reading his blog. Nobody is ever forced to read a particular blog.

To protest violent posts on a particular website by posting violent, threatening stuff of your own, is foolish---and a pretty lame excuse for what you've done, i.e., "HEY, I WAS JUST OFFENSIVE BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL DOING IT!"

#293 HVT

What child has Hororwitz attacked, or threatened? What is his or her name? Who are the kid's parents?

Links, please?

(The article you link to is one where he's just criticizing the New York Times.)

320 maumau  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:52:24am

She's no lunatic - simply an America-hating liberal.

321 D. Edgren (the Merciless Infidel)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:53:10am

#307 Dianna

I'm commenting simply to respond to your question, which I think is a very good one.

I've posted this on a few blogs I currently frequent.

"Prof." Frisch apparently received my comment suggesting she remove the Ed Abbey epigram from her blog in that what she posted at PW would not appear to have been what Cactus Ed had in mind when he said those words...

...and she closed the thread.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Now she's posted another threrad telling everyone, in essence, to F-off. I wrote this and sent it when the comment count was still zero.

I guess I might have the "honor" of making the first post on this thread, which seems fitting in that you havent seen fit to post my comments about your misuse of the Ed Abbey epigram on the other.

Nobody's stalking you, ma'am.

Like my grandmother used to say-

"Roll with the pigs...get sh-t on your shoes."

Sh-t's on more than your shoes, perfessor.


D. Edgren

Want to bet that doesn't make it through her defense shields either?

So which is it, Prof? Are you really apologizing to Mr. Goldstein, or simply further "entertaining" your friends?

Inquiring minds want to know.


D. Edgren

My guess is you are exactly correct.

"I write to entertain my friends and to exasperate our enemies" indeed. This woman is very, very disturbed.


D. Edgren

322 trigger girlie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:53:18am

I like this part:

I have resigned from the University of Arizona so there is no need for other enraged people to write to administrators there. I am a temporary worker there and I am in Oregon for the summer.

Reverse psychology, huh, Deb? Peoples, get your guns out (not literally, unlike Deb) and email the head of the dept. Lets see Frisch's nasty past haunt her everywhere she goes. What a f***n bitch!

323 eminencefront  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:54:44am

-sigh- Sign o' the times. Sad that this is becoming more and more common on the left.

324 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:58:23am

Unhinged.

325 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:59:35am

#315 dicentra,

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. It seems like just a coincidence.

326 Jeeves  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:02:06am

#319 Talkinkamel

#

293 HVT

What child has Hororwitz attacked, or threatened? What is his or her name? Who are the kid's parents?

Links, please?

Thanks for asking. I was dumbfounded by HVT's accusation re Horowitz (who I guess can now change that title to "America's 102 Most Dangerous Professors")

327 AnotherRightWingConspirator  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:04:41am

Crazy Deb is right now posting over here:

[Link: www.unfogged.com...]

Here's her post:

28
A very good question why a person would hang out in that cesspool long after noticing its cesspool nature.

There was a post where Jeff said he'd like to keep me in his zoo as his token moonbat. I gladly agreed. I really loved the idea that I could evolve from troll to pet moonbat so easily. Usually I get banned.

It all seemed to be going well, but then Jeff seemed to lose interest in me as a zoo member and all there was was sexual, disgusting comments from the pee nut gallery who were luvving tinkling on my ankle.
I tried to take it like an hombre, but it really got under my skin.

I should have left at that point, but somehow, I got on Jeff's radar again and I decided to chitchat with him from 8-9 one night (I can't figure out what night it was - it would be easy if protein wisdom was up, but it's not.)

That's when it escalated to me wanting to give him a taste of his own medicine. If I retaliated in kind (made disgusting comments about his private parts), it would have just turned on all the vermin in the right wing pee nut gallery. By telling Jeff that I would not be upset if harm came to his two year old, I was trying to create in him the feeling I had from all the sexual comments.

I am thinking he grokked the message.

I'm sorry for playing the kid card - honorable warriors do not go there and i will not do it again. i have learned my lesson. But I only played the kid card because it seemed like my only move other than letting the pee nut gallery get away with tinkling on my ankle.

Next time, I'll leave before getting to this point.

Sure will be interesting if and when protein wisdom ever gets up and running again.

Methinks Jeff took the site offline himself - it sure is convenient for him to be the only one with the raw data. I think. Can someone really knock out your site for DAYS?!?


Posted by: deb | Link to this comment | 07- 8-06 01:29 PM

Lots of other trolls about, too - anybody want to go play?

328 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:07:04am

#326 Jeeves

Thanks for asking. I was dumbfounded by HVT's accusation re Horowitz (who I guess can now change that title to "America's 102 Most Dangerous Professors")

I'd go with "America's 101 Most Dangerous Professors and One Dumbass Beeyotch Adjunct Professor."

329 Dianna  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:07:15am

#321 D. Engren

I wrote, in response to her white flag revised post, that these were the consequences she'd chosen. Responding to the earlier post, where she'd tried to pretend the "french kissing" remarks hadn't been made, I pointed out that I'd read them at the time they were made.

She's winnowing out the factual, calm posts, and keeping only those which agree with her, or are in any way inflammatory.

You're absolutely right. I'm relieved that it's not just me.

330 TMF  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:08:18am

Heres a truly frightening thought: how many psychologists and professors of psychology out there are just like Fristsch?

Likely answer: 75% or more

Ouch! Thats a lot of wasted cash!

331 toddhisattva  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:09:17am

#256 Moe Katz

Doesn't the 'ivory tower' just make you tear your hair out?

Ivory towers are monuments to the stupidity of mankind.

332 Egfrow  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:11:25am

I'm just disturbed by how many times this person quotes the New York Times in her postings against America.

I am now really convinced that the New York Times and other outlets like it are intentionaly set on destroying America.

333 ladycatnip  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:11:59am

The death threats by the left are becoming more frequent and more vicious.

One of these days, a moonbat will act out one of these vile threats, then plead political insanity. I predict it will become the new mental illness of this decade.

334 Yossarian  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:19:18am

Protein Wisdom seems to be back up now, but the last post was on Wednesday, so is that the full site that's up?

335 Jeeves  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:21:02am

#328 christheprofessor

I'd go with "America's 101 Most Dangerous Professors and One Dumbass Beeyotch Adjunct Professor."

Perfect! BTW, in response to an earlier post of yours, to say Horowitz was a "lib" is like saying the Panthers (with whom he was pretty tight until they murdered a woman he sent them to do their books) were liberal. He's hated by the Left for apostasy alright, but I'm not sure he'd really describe himself as a "conservative." Maybe a "conservative democrat hawk." A very endangered species, Peter Beinart's fantasies to the contrary notwithstanding.

336 RickZ  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:23:56am

# 307 Dianna:

I find it fascinating that my comments to her blog were never posted. I'd be interested to see what other comments weren't posted, or were deleted.

My comments didn't get posted, either. I used the word 'wacademic' in both. She must not like someone speaking truth to power.

337 j-damn  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:24:03am
However, she claims to be a Jew though one who seems to think that gives her an excuse for antisemitism:

"Lest anyone accuse me of using an ethnic slur, I am Jewish and thus am allowed to use the word yid. It's the same principle that allows blacks and lesbians to say n***** and dyke, respectively, without being disrespectful."

More bullshit that needs to be stopped. Look, you left-wing fascists, either no one can say these words or everyone can say them. Take your fucking pick.

338 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:25:24am
339 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:32:27am

From the Google archive of one of the PW threads "southwestpaw" posted to, here's her comment on her Ward Churchill apologia:

Thanks for sharing your two cents Lydia and Phil. You raise very interesting issues. Is “fuckwad” a question or a comment? I wasn’t sure how to respond to it.

Dan writes: Deb, can you explain what you mean about the firefighters, maintenance workers, and dehumanization, and then can you tell me how you come to this reading of Hannah Arendt?

I assume you are quoting something from my Counterpunch article defending Ward Churchill. I am happy for an excuse to go back and reread it a bit. Here’s my paraphrase of the relevant section of the article:

Hannah Arendt wrote an article in “The New Yorker” about Eichmann’s trial in Israel in 1961. She coined the term “banality of evil” which is widely cited in social psychology textbooks during the discussion of the Milgram, Zimbardo and Asch experiments.

Hitler’s henchmen who had behaved monstrously did not look like monsters. Instead, they were bland and benign. According to Arendt, Eichmann’s character flaw was mindless obedience to authority, not a sadistic or psychopathic personality. In the last fifty years, inspired by Eichmann and his colleagues, social psychologists have conducted many experiments demonstrating “the power of the situation” to cause decent people to do evil things.

I wrote:

This, of course, is even scarier than finding that Eichmann and other Nazis were crazy in some way. Arendt’s analysis inspired Stanley Milgram’s experiment on obedience to authority at Yale University and Philip Zimbardo’s Prison Study at Stanford University.

So there is nothing absurd or outrageous about using the term “Eichmann” to refer to the stockbrokers who died that day. It’s a little strange to completely ignore the firefighters, secretaries and building maintenance workers who died that day. And singling out the stockbrokers and ignoring the firefighters dehumanizes them the same way Nazis dehumanized Jews.
---
I guess I never really explained why I think it’s fair to call stock brokers little Eichmanns. The idea is that the reason “they hate us” is because of the perverse, dishonest way we have gotten our oil fix from the middle east - shmoozing with sexist, classist dictators (saudi arabia) and cuddling with racist governments (israel) and turning muscle into money into muscle into money over and over again in a very sick way. Even if the stockbrokers in the WTC didn’t know they were part of a scam, they should have.

The maintenance workers, etc. are not really little Eichmanns in the same way the stockbrokers and other finance-type workers were. That was my point.

Dan: You see, I address you as though you were a fellow human being.

Well, I guess if you are going to pretend you think of me as a human being, I ought pretend also. Thanks for bringing up the issue. If you jump in the next time someone makes an inappropriate sexual or physical reference or physically threatening comment, I hope you jump in and call the pathetic mofo on it. That really is a disgusting way to let your friends treat someone you are pretending is human. I think you understand, Dan. Thanks, bro.
Posted by southwestpaw | permalink
on 07/03 at 03:55 PM

Emphasis added.

340 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:34:12am

Sorry for playing the "kid" card but this was all she could do to get back at the posters?
Oh, this woman is waaayyy over the edge.
Truly, a civil if not a criminal action should be lodged against her.

341 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:37:25am

This femme fatale is exactly what she describes:

In the last fifty years, inspired by Eichmann and his colleagues, social psychologists have conducted many experiments demonstrating “the power of the situation” to cause decent people to do evil things.
342 Jeff S.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:38:04am

Crap, to think that they just updated Merriam-Webster too. Oh well, next time.

"I don't know what I said to set him off, but this guy just frisched out on me."

"Dude, have you seen the movie, Eraserhead? It's like, totally frisch, you gotta see it."

"Sometimes I don't know who's frischier...Al Gore or Howard Dean."

"Frischy Eddie...his prices are insane!"

343 toddhisattva  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:41:24am

#271 christheprofessor

I wouldn't consider sciences to be safe from moonbattery. Way back when, at the crappy University I attended in the College of Natural Sciences, what were supposed to be Programming classes were just Political Indoctrination classes that were only named after programming languages.

"Introduction to Pascal" (dating myself) was really "Ronald Reagan Sucks." "Data Structures" was "Advanced Ronald Reagan Sucks." Every class was about the impossibility of Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative, every freshman mistake became evidence that Reagan was stupid to dream of defense.

It must still be the same way: I've worked with freshly-degreed CS folks who have no clue about common data structures, but boy do they know about global class struggle and I'm not talking C++.

But a friend who just got his MSCS says it's changing, that the Rush Limbaugh kids are demanding to actually learn what they're paying so much for, and many are rebelling against their idiot hippie parents!

344 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:42:20am

Frisch off.

345 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:44:11am

Oh, that was directed at no one. I was trying out Jeff's suggested new word.

346 backhoe  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:45:16am
#327 AnotherRightWingConspirator 7/8/2006 01:04PM PDT
Crazy Deb is right now posting over here:
[Link: www.unfogged...]

Fascinating, in a gruesome way- she really has the passive-aggressive shtick mastered, doesn't she?

She really needs to quit digging that hole she's in...

347 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:46:27am

#341,

This is assuming that she's a otherwise decent person.

I'm not willing to give her that.

But for a sociopath, she's apparently got a high level of function...

348 Jeff S.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:48:26am

#345 MandyManners

Oh, that was directed at no one. I was trying out Jeff's suggested new word.



No problem. I guess we're all a bit frisched out by that loon. She gives new meaning to the phrase "Nuttier than squirrel shit".

349 gymnast  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:52:34am

I do not believe it to be unusual for Psych Profs to spend most of their sick leave and sabbatical time in therapy or rehab.

350 EE  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:54:06am

I think that there should be an investigation of some sort to find out how the University of Arizona psychology department could hire such a mentally unhinged person as Deborah Frisch, psychology professor.

I was told by a psychology teacher that there are some people who go into the field of psychology because they have problems and they hope that being in this field will help them. I don't know the numbers. But in that field, it is necessary for special vigilance to keep out those who should not be in it. It's probably a very tiny minority who are in this situation, but still there needs to be vigilance.

What does the University of Arizona psychology department do to keep out mentally unbalanced people, who stalk blogs and threaten their toddler children with sexual crimes or murder? Do they act responsibly to screen people?

What did they do to investigate Deborah Frisch when she applied to teach there?

351 demoncrat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:59:42am

Does she look as evil as she sounds?

352 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 11:59:49am

343 toddhisattva

The other inroad that the moonbats have made into engineering and the hard sciences is environmentalism. There are departments of environmental studies and environmental engineering (how do you design an environment?), and if you think they're politically neutral, I have a bridge for sale.

Over the course of the past 30 years, the money for industrial research (particularly in chemical engineering) has dindled in favor of grant money, mostly from the feds, for environmental research. And guess what conclusion is most likely to result in more grant money coming your way?

353 groinpullerredux  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:01:39pm

i agree...that whole psychiatric field is rife with flakes...

354 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:02:00pm

#350 EE

I've seen enough anectodal evidence (not counting this one) to say that it's safe to say that it's more than "tiny minority". Maybe not approaching a majority, but well over 10%.

355 EE  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:05:34pm

#354 Earth2moonbat
Thanks for your estimate. I didn't have any estimate at all until now, just that statement by a psychology professor.

356 groinpullerredux  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:05:38pm

and in social work as well...flakes everywhere you look...left leaning do gooder yet fascist types...control freaks...hare brained social scientists...all of them two martinis away from instituting 'eugenia' law.

357 Jeff S.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:06:55pm

99% of leftists give the other 1% a bad name.

358 gromster  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:13:31pm

#119 Intestinal Fortitude On the page you linked to, she complains about another blogger:

2. I checked out your control freak blog (no comments allowed!)

I submitted a post to her page, and it hasn't shown up.

Unless she has a "moderated new comments" feature in place (where she reads each post before she allows it to be posted), she's being hypocritical about it.

I like how she tells that guy to "“reality-based community.”

She needs to take her own advice, LOL.

Her main page now says,

... The department head said he would deal with this on Monday. No one has formally accepted my resignation yet. I've just submitted it. I understand there are many, many people out there who will want to know how the University of Arizona responds to my offer to give up my temporary gig teaching psychology next year. I will let you all know on Monday or Tuesday.
359 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:15:38pm

OT,but Amusing.

Globe Gays get Frisched!

Gays at Globe told to marry or lose benefits:

Memo to Boston Globe gay and lesbian Guild employees: Get married or lose your domestic partner benefits.
Globe staffers have been told that health and dental benefits for gay employees’ domestic partners are being discontinued. Gay couples who want to keep their benefits must marry by Jan. 1.
A memo sent to the Globe’s Boston Newspaper Guild members, and obtained by the Herald, states that Massachusetts gay Guild employees can extend their benefits to their partners only if they marry.


“An employee who currently covers a same-sex domestic partner as a dependent will have to marry his or her partner by Jan. 1 for the employee benefits coverage to continue at the employee rates,” the memo states.

Now that gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts companies that offer benefits to gay employees’ partners risk hearing cries of discrimination from unmarried straight couples.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg ?articleid=147383

360 Paul  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:15:38pm

more nuttiness---bad nuttiness from the professor

but i feel kind of guilty for not blowing myself up on the steps of the lincoln memorial while i was doing out pork for sam. so in a way, I WANT some futhermucker A-hole to off me because i pissed him off in the blogosphere.

BRING IT ON FUTHERMUCKER!

361 FutureRepublican?  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:20:31pm

Anyone know of any reality-based, pragmatic theories or campaigns about how fed-up Americans can take back academia from these nut-jobs? Any recommended books or websites on the subject?

Or is "tenure" (professorial at the college level, union-based at the highschool level)legally airtight and the battle is lost before it's begun?

362 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:22:12pm

# 352 Earth2moonbat

The other inroad that the moonbats have made into engineering and the hard sciences is environmentalism. There are departments of environmental studies and environmental engineering (how do you design an environment?), and if you think they're politically neutral, I have a bridge for sale.

You, for sure, are dead on here! I spend a great deal of my time working with our Environmental (Environmentalist) Engineering program. Not a one middle-of-the-roader, or (God forbid!) a right-of-center faculty member amongst them. I at least have the opportunity to try to point my students in the right direction, starting with directions to get familiar with this site:

[Link: www.junkscience.com...]

363 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:22:49pm

#333 ladycatnip

One of these days, a moonbat will act out one of these vile threats, then plead political insanity.

I think you're on to something there. I can just imagine this coming to pass within 5-10 years. What is the logical end-point of this level of mass hysteria and delusion?

364 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:28:27pm

#361 F.R

Anyone know of any reality-based, pragmatic theories or campaigns about how fed-up Americans can take back academia from these nut-jobs?

Get into Graduate School,and keep your mouth shut until you get your degree(s).

It's going to have to be attrition,as the baby-boomer Moonbats die off,we need to move in.

Then once you are in,keep Politics out of the classroom,or lecture hall,and keep your political opinions to yourself,it's wrong for either side to indoctrinate.

365 ahem  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:30:20pm

#307
#336

She didn't post my comment, either. It was a personal comment expressing my sorrow that she didn't heed my advice and quit while she was ahead and my genuine wish that she'd get some help before she hurts herself further. To screw up your career in public is no small matter. It was a needless thing to have done to herself.

366 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:30:40pm

#335 Jeeves

Sorry for the delay in responding -- had to go get my car out of the shop (between tow truck, taxi, and repairs, I'm out almost $900 -- ouch!)...

Wow, I don't recall ever hear that story about Horowitz's friend. He may not be a conservative, but as far as I can tell, he's outgrown the anti-American unthinking leftism that highlights the academic moonbatism we see so much of these days...

#343 toddhisatva

I didn't mean to imply that the sciences were immune, just less susceptible to moonbattery (same with the B-schools -- at the university where I got the PhD, the managagement department was full of marxists)...

That said, of the sciences, CS does seem to have more than its share of moonbats. I really don't have an explanation as to why (don't see too many in CIS)... I would hope that employers who hire computer-illiterate CS grads (or CIS grads for that matter) would stop hiring from those universities, and let them know exactly why...

367 braverutherford  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:35:07pm

some brainless piece-of-shit supporter on her "updated" "white flag" post:

The Right Wing bloggers should BACK OFF before this goes too far!

"before," it says.

such is the stupidity of the left.

and frisch herself:

I'm just asking y'all to leave me alone and go stalk another moonbat.

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, dumbass.

368 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:35:12pm

#365 Ahem

It was a needless thing to have done to herself.

Frisced: Verb

Destroying yourself by your own stupidity,while venting hatred on the Internet.

369 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:36:44pm

Keep in mind that there are a number of specialties within psychology, such as I/O, cognitive, clinical, social, etc... Not all of them relate to human behavioral problems, per se...

370 Dr. Sanity  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:38:30pm

Ms. Frisch is now saying that she only "turned in" her resignation. She seems to be holding out some hope that they won't accept it because she's been so abused. I'm sorry to say this, but she's really enjoying all the attention we are giving her, and it is only feeding her antisocial narcissism. You can practically hear the triumph in her writing voice.

371 FutureRepublican?  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:38:46pm

#364 12th Imam

Get into Graduate School,and keep your mouth shut until you get your degree(s).

I appreciate the humor in your response. But there has to be a better and more honorable way to go about it.

Asking well-meaning future academics to lie about who they are is not a strategy. It is harmful all-around.

372 MSMediaCritic  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:38:55pm

Unhinged doesn't cover her. Doesn't sound like she even has a door to unhinge.

373 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:43:39pm

Several years ago (somewhat respectable) left-winger Michael Walzer asked Can There Be a Decent Left? in Dissent magazine.

His conclusion was more or less tat no, there cannot. He was right. However I don't think he realized how dangerously unhinged the left-wing fringe was becoming, nor how quickly.

It can only be a matter of time before we see a recrudescence of the Weathermen, et al.

374 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:46:11pm

From M-W:

Main Entry: re·cru·des·cence
Pronunciation: -'de-s&n(t)s
Function: noun
: a new outbreak after a period of abatement or inactivity : RENEWAL

375 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:47:15pm

#371 F.R

I appreciate the humor in your response. But there has to be a better and more honorable way to go about it.

What humor?

I've seen talented people who do good work get dropped from programs after their "A" work gets graded as a "C",as a result of slaying some Moonbat professors sacred cow,and I have seen plenty of talentless hacks get ahead by parroting whatever the same Moonbats Prof's are spewing.

Do you think the Moonbat Frisch would hesitate for one second to retaliate against a student who disagreed with her?

Liberals believe anyone who disagrees with them is either evil or stupid,so in their minds they are doing the right thing by blackballing Conservatives.

Who said anything about lying?

Just bite your tongue,and avoid talking about politics.

376 12th Imam(hidden)  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:52:36pm

#370 Dr.Sanity.

Love your blog.

I left a Referral for this patient in your comments section yesterday.

Glad to see she will get the help she deserves.

I assume you have a vacant padded room.

377 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:53:19pm

#373 Pro-Bush Canuck

It can only be a matter of time before we see a recrudescence of the Weathermen, et al.

It's already here. Ever heard of ELF?

378 Globular Cluster  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:57:52pm

I'm surprised this story hasn't made the MSM yet.

379 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 12:58:25pm

#377 MandyManners

Yes I sure have heard of ELF. So far their "official" party line has been to refrain from harming people (since people are animals too!).

In the UK they show signs of loosening that policy.

In any case Marxism has always been inextricably bound up with violence. The "peace movement" is not that different from Mao's Red Guard (which in Maoist theory was the vanguard of the revolution, and which existed to ensure peace and tranquility within the toiling collectives.

380 gymnast  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:01:14pm

#373 Pro Bush Canuck. I have read enough Walzer to suggest that his hinges haven't been oiled enough to function in opening any real world doors. Other than serving as a container for a sack of shit, his skin serves no just purpose. Clever as some think him to be, his ideas are a form of suicide plan.

381 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:12:33pm

#370 dr sanity:

I fear you might be right. However, her emotions will probably change once the University opens for business on Monday morning and the Administration faces a torrent of emails, not to mention the possibility of bad press for maintaining someone on their faculty (even as an adjunct) who made death threats to a 2-year old, his father, and generally shows themselves to be completely unhinged.

382 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:18:40pm

I found her curiculum vita on the internet archive at [Link: web.archive.org...]

From Vita page dated July 22, 2001

DEBORAH FRISCH
XXX@oregon.uoregon.edu

Education

B.S. (1983) Psychology and Mathematics, Union College, Schenectady, New York
M.A. (1984) Psychology, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Ph.D. (1988) Psychology, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Positions
1995-present Adjunct Assistant Professor, Psychology University of Oregon
1988-1995 Assistant Professor, Psychology? University of Oregon

Obviously she had an impressive education. What happened, Dr. Frisch? You've got a Ph.D from an ivy-league school, but you're still two bricks shy of a load, hon. Get help.

I have some good friends who are moonbats. They know I'm not a moonbat. We still get along. Babies, for me, are bridges. For example, I have a co-worker whose wife is pregnant at the moment. We are far apart politically, but we are both tickled to pieces about the soon-to-be born addition to the family, and that is eons more important than our politics - not in the same ballpark. This is a normal human reaction.

Again, Dr. F. - get yourself some help.

383 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:26:02pm

OK, I sorta know Dr. Frisch personally, so I might have something useful to add here, maybe not - you decide.

As a former psychology student at the U of A (I just got my degree), I had Dr. Frisch for two classes: Research Methods and Adv. Cognitive Psychology. Funnily enough, the special topic of the latter class was "Judgment and Decision Making". I must say, however, that this class was one of the best classes I took here; she really does know her stuff. Although it has become clear to me over time that Dr. Frisch is something of a raving moonbat, a point I believe she would concede, I would like to stress that at NO TIME did she ever spoil her lectures with any objectionable and irrelevant left-wing political views, as academics are surely prone to do from time to time.

Furthermore, I'd like to stick up a little for the U of A. Although Tucson no doubt has its share of moonbats, I'd have to say that compared to other universities, and I've been to a few, the U of A actually has a fairly decent and open-minded academic culture. The worst I've ever heard from my professors is a couple of cheap potshots at the President... there are no Ward Churchills here, as far as I know.

Regarding this unfortunate incident, I can only imagine that Dr. Frisch was somewhat naive about the potential consequences of trash-talking so vehemently using her real life identity. Good grief, if I got fired every time I threatened some bastard with bodily harm on the internet, I'd have spent the last five years in the unemployment line.

384 trigger girlie  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:27:50pm

As expected, she looks foul.

Also, a bit on the bitch's integrity:

The bitch gets her wallet stolen

here's a little excerpt:

I can understand someone stealing cash from someone stupid enough to leave their wallet on the seat of a roadside restaurant bench.

yeah, ofcourse, it is the best thing to do is steal someone's money when they leave the wallet in the restaurant.

I hope Jeff sues the bitch that the court proves that she is highly psychotic and unstable.

385 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:31:34pm

Not only unbelievable to threaten a child publicly like this, but what about the idiotic ultra-macho posturing on this peace loving lady of the left? What a nasty moronic little flake.

Recalling now the scene from 'Team America' where Sean Penn says "You see...we must live in a time of peace..." while pouring kerosene over someone.

386 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:33:48pm

Freebird - do you regulary threaten people's kids? Enough excuses.

387 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:34:33pm
388 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:35:44pm
389 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:36:11pm
390 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:37:05pm
391 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:40:04pm
392 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:42:57pm

#383, Freebird

Thanks for that firsthand account.

Seems that for a decision scientist, she made a really poor decision.

393 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:44:11pm

Or several.

(Including, notably, using her real identity.)

394 lawhawk  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:45:41pm

freebird:

You're defending the indefensible. Her actions are beyond the pale. Period. Stop.

You've got some personal knowledge of Frisch, which is more than most everyone else here, but that matters not when noting what she actually wrote - and then her follow up excuses.

395 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:45:50pm

#383 freebird

Good grief, if I got fired every time I threatened some bastard with bodily harm on the internet, I'd have spent the last five years in the unemployment line.

She didn't threaten an adult. She threatened a toddler. Big difference.

396 Jimmah  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:47:18pm

390 ploome

"nauseating, isn;t he?"

Yes. Scurrilous Defence no 258 : The attempt to normalise the abnormal.

397 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:50:56pm
398 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:51:13pm

@ #387 ploome hineni:

Yeah, well considering I'm an avid Counter-Strike player, I think chances are pretty good that I've threatened to shoot somebody's kid "in the head with a f--king deagle!" on a daily basis since 1999.

It's the internet, folks... people do talk trash and say the most monstrous and obscene things.

399 The_Pickle  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:51:20pm
Regarding this unfortunate incident, I can only imagine that Dr. Frisch was somewhat naive about the potential consequences of trash-talking so vehemently using her real life identity. Good grief, if I got fired every time I threatened some bastard with bodily harm on the internet, I'd have spent the last five years in the unemployment line.

So your advice to her would be that she does her, for lack of a better word, "fantasizing" about the death and/or molestation of a two year old child "Anonymously"?

WTF?

400 gymnast  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:52:31pm

#383, Freebird. Do you want to discuss this ornithologically?

401 Bilgeman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:53:53pm

Check out her latest:

"Sheesh - this is really not fun being the lightning rod for unhinged rightwingnuts. But the dust seems to be settling. I just told my parents about what was going on. They read my blog sometimes. My mother told me I was grounded AND I had to wash my mouth out with soap."

from:

[Link: debfrisch.com...]

So...people who are incensed and offended by her violent and pedophilic fantasies directed towards a child are now "rightwingnuts".

This arrigant pig-bitch with a PhD turns off her blog-comments and goes running to her Mommy and Daddy, too.

Wrong answer Professor...Mommy and Daddy ain't got shee-yot to do with it. You should be dealing with Johnny Law.

Note this also:

"I have been trying to get in touch with Pajamas Media to discuss some of my concerns about what has been published at Black Five about this issue. I feel threatened by some of the comments there."

Hey...at least she's not two years old.

Disgusting!

402 Texas Never Whispers  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:53:57pm

People like Deb make me understand why my parents were so over-protective of me in my youth.

403 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:55:39pm
404 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 1:56:51pm

#383 freebird

Although it has become clear to me over time that Dr. Frisch is something of a raving moonbat, a point I believe she would concede, I would like to stress that at NO TIME did she ever spoil her lectures with any objectionable and irrelevant left-wing political views, as academics are surely prone to do from time to time.


Obviously, Frisch didn't feel so restrained in her private behavior.
If you're smart, you'd stay far away from defending this -

Regarding this unfortunate incident, I can only imagine that Dr. Frisch was somewhat naive about the potential consequences of trash-talking so vehemently using her real life identity

. Unfortunate incident is an understatement. That woman should have never done what she did.
There are two things here, one: taking a political debate in Protein Wisdom, getting pissed off (probably outdebated)and twisting it viciously personal against Jeff Goldstein himselfand his family. Doesn't matter how sane she seemed in class, her apparent "professionalism" vanished like the morning dew when she was at the keyboard.
Two: As part of the general moonbat culture, it's becoming very obvious that there is a visceral hatred of children. Frisch thought nothing of passing on pornographically-steeped threats to the father (and mother) of an innocent child who had nothing to do with any of it.
This past week, we saw video of Code Pinkers riled at the sight of teenagers and began agressively mocking them. No decency, no curtsey, pure bile. The dirty smear for parents now is "breeders" and true blue moonbats worship abortion. They hate life.

405 MikeR  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:02:25pm

I watched this trainwreck on PW right from the gitgo and Frisch came in swinging and never missed a chance to keep right on coming back and escalating the insults when she was given every chance to leave.

I don't have a damned bit of sympathy for her.

406 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:08:35pm

@403 ploome hineni (et al.):

Get over yourself, man. I'm not "defending" anything. I put my two cents in because I thought it might be useful for folks getting riled up about this woman to actually hear from someone who knew her - that's all.

And yes, I read her comments and they're awful, but that doesn't mean I think she's going to get on a plane and go stalk/murder/molest this guy's and his kid.

407 gymnast  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:11:24pm

#403, ploome. I think that unless proven otherwise, it is to be assumed that freebird is a Frich flocker and a subspecies of the, not-so-rare in academia, left winged snot nosed shitbird.

409 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:20:57pm

@ #407 gymnast:

LOL - this is getting ridiculous. Just for the record, NO I am NOT a freakin' liberal, lefty radical or anything like it! I've voted Republican since I was 18 and I'm probably a lot further to the right on most issues than the majority of posters here.

I'm sorry if I can't present "proof" of my worthiness to post on LGF. I don't post often enough to have a "rep", so you're just going to have to take my word for it.. or not.

410 abu_garcia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:22:41pm

Charles,

I nominate Jeff's 3357 for the rotating headers.

99% of leftists give the other 1% a bad name.

Perfect.

411 gymnast  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:31:16pm

#409, Freebird. Sorry Freebird, your 10th post in a year since you first registered is probably the correct gauge of your character. Sorry about the "Frish flocker" and "left winged snot nosed shitbird references". You are probably a good egg based on your first six posts going back to last August, as revealed by your "little green football".

412 Perry  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:34:32pm

Freebird, free advise might be worth exactly what you paid for it,

but

sometimes it's better to quit when you're a little behind.

413 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:34:32pm

#403, ploome

I think 'freebird' is probably frisch using another nic

Freebird is, more likely than not, not.

Freebird

Registered lizardoid since: 07/22/05 07:56:55 PM

Note the year of registration.

Just another of the thousands of lurking lizardoids registered here, who, when he tries to post on an incendiary topic, gets eviscerated by the regular posters...

414 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:34:48pm

Freebird:

if I got fired every time I threatened some bastard with bodily harm on the internet, I'd have spent the last five years in the unemployment line

Republican or not, I doubt you'd fit in too well at LGF if you are the type of person who makes a habit of committing online felonies, and then acts as though its no big deal.

415 Stop Hillary  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:35:36pm

CAIR has instructed its minions at the FBI to monitor this site. And they are. But will the FBI monitor Ms. Frisch?

416 abu_garcia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:37:42pm

freebird, not to pile on but,

It's the internet, folks... people do talk trash and say the most monstrous and obscene things.

Not everyone, and surely not as a habit.

417 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:39:28pm

#411, gymnast

Well said.

But Freebird would have been well advised to issue a strong condemnation of his former professor's behavior at Protein Wisdom earlier in the thread before offering what could be interpreted as an attempt to minimize her unhingedness...

(And now that you've passed the hazing, welcome!)

418 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:39:56pm

#383 Freebird

I am glad to hear that Dr. Frisch was an acceptable instructor and that you found the U of A to be a good environment. In reading her course notes, I noted she made reference to and used as a source the brilliant Richard P. Feynman, which gave her a leg up, academically, in my mind, since I admire the late Dr. Feynman, and not just because he won a Nobel Prize - he was a hell of a guy. I even got my ex to read one of his books, and my ex almost never read - and he enjoyed the book.

However, with all due respect, threatening people with bodily harm is a crime. It is a crime at all times, whether it is done online or in the line at the supermarket.

To me, making a threat on the 'net is dispicably cowardly. Threatening a person's child by proxy is far, far worse than that, and I cannot think of words to convey how low it is. This, in my mind, trumps any expertise at teaching Dr. Frisch may have.

419 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:41:42pm
Not everyone, and surely not as a habit.

Not toward an identifiable individual in a threatening manner. To suggest that the trash-talking that happens over video-game IRCs is in any way comparable to what this evil woman did is silly. As for her being a good prof, so what? Most of the Nazi leadership were accomplished in one field or another before their true nature was given free reign.

420 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:42:43pm

225 JustMyView

I said I was NOT proud of socialism/socialists and you, ASSHAT, made it personal.

I said: As Americans, we should be proud of NSF, because they fund research in all areas of science that is important to all of us.

BenZacharia said; Sorry, NOT proud of socialism in any form.

Are you suggesting that astronomers should fund the construction and maintenance of telescopes from their salaries? YES

How about physicists? Should they pay for nuclear reactors from their disposable income? YES, they are called utilities

Get real.

You get real you socialist scumbag. The Gummint didn't discover nuclear physics, and only funded it to get a big bang, utilities with lots of disincentives from the Gummint built the power plants.

Without the investment of our taxes, we would be in sad shape in terms of scientific advances in MANY fields.

Investment? Better look that word up junior.

Many fields? Like What? And don't use the space program, all aerospace advancement comes from the military.

So just because you see a benefit, you get to pick my pocket and spend it as you like? National Endowment for the Arts too? Or where do you draw the line since you can't defend your position based on the original intent of the US Constitution. Read the primer collectively called the Federalist Papers.

421 Perry  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:42:52pm

Patterico got a note from Jeff G.

I asked Jeff Goldstein if there is anything he’d like me to pass along while he is working on getting his site back up. He said:

Just that I didn’t pull the site down myself, I have the tickets to my host to prove it, that I have another host working on trying to get me up and running and then we’ll begin propagating to the new host, and that Frisch is a lying sackweasel.

Off topic, sorta: Jeff G. looks marvy in that little tux photo at his site.

422 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:49:06pm

Folks, I think you are being a bit hard on Freebird. He said:

Yeah, well considering I'm an avid Counter-Strike player, I think chances are pretty good that I've threatened to shoot somebody's kid "in the head with a f--king deagle!" on a daily basis since 1999.

I think he meant he "threatened" people in the "heat" on an interactive video game -- no big deal there, IMO... Nothing like Dr. Deb's threats -- apples and oranges...

423 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:51:43pm

@ #414 Pro-Bush Canuck, #418 Cattt:

I get the feeling we spend our time in different parts of the 'net. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm a hardcore Counter-Strike player, and online speech that includes threats of the most obscene and physically invasive nature are totally routine on public CS servers. I'm sorry, but I do not believe that such speech is any kind of "felony" , because if it was, the FBI would shut have to shut down 10,000 CS servers. And as for nasty things being said in flamewar on an online blog, well let's just say that even a relatively tame blog like Slashdot would be a hotbed of "felonies" by that standard.

424 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 2:54:42pm

Freebird's comments were normal enough and most don't doubt he saw a side we aren't seeing. What he needs to understand is that the one trumps the other.
I also strongly suspect that he doesn't have kids.
Skin-crawling hardly describes the feeling a parent would get to turn on the computer and find a vulgar, porno description of what would be considered indecent assault and lewd acts against a minor, directed at their own sweet child.

425 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:06:37pm

Yeah, regardless; making threats when you are playing games. The fact of the matter is: Frisch is an educator. Who's to say that she is not NOW teaching her ideology to her students. Bottom line: again, she is an educator threatening kids. You really can't yield to that IMHO.

426 Uncle Joe  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:07:08pm

Am I the only person on earth who thinks there's a link between Deb Frisch and her ilk and stories like this?:

"At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I skipped grad school because of the hyper-feminist, liberal PC agenda that rules academia. Is it so hard to believe that young men are bailing on undergrad programs for the same reason?

427 Geepers  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:10:52pm

I've been following this since it started and Deborah Frisch is a big fat liar when she says that the PW crowd started this.

She went out of her way to find out about Jeff's child in what I can only consider to be a premeditated strategy. This was in no way a "heat of the moment" exchange. Promulgated most likely when her "style" was recognized by the Protein Wisdomers and they began to simply ignore her.

She went after Jeff's kid with the intent of being attacked. And her now complaints of being attacked are pitiful in the extreme.

Yesterday Deborah you were putting on a brave front saying: "Thanks of the publicity". Funny you don't feel the same way today.

428 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:11:49pm

#425 Intestinal Fortitude

I agree about Frisch...

Not sure what you mean by this, though:

Yeah, regardless; making threats when you are playing games.

429 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:12:49pm

#424 wanumba:

Yeah, you probably hit the nail right on the head. My Dad has identical views to mine on most subjects, but I have no doubt he would have more visceral reaction to the topic under discussion, and no use whatsoever for the likes of Deborah Frisch.

Again, I'm not endorsing or defending Frisch's comments in any way. I guess my original post was a reaction to a shocking topic blurb that kinda makes it sound like the U. of Arizona is some kind of moonbat mecca, which it is not.

430 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:15:45pm

#426 Uncle Joe

I skipped grad school because of the hyper-feminist, liberal PC agenda that rules academia. Is it so hard to believe that young men are bailing on undergrad programs for the same reason


Nope. What's pathetic is how the NYTimes dodges that aspect. It's all inexplicable to them.
We have four sons. we are very aware of what's going on in the education system, pre-K thru post grad. Schools are hostile to boys and flatter the girls. The boys get out and the girls get obnoxious.

431 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:16:12pm

427 Geepers

She went out of her way to find out about Jeff's child in what I can only consider to be a premeditated strategy.

It's quite striking to see this unfold. I thought it was strange how she knew about the youngin', even after I went back through the whole history of the event.

It's surreal to me for a person in that position to act this way.

432 SouthernRoots  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:17:13pm

Her comments and veiled threats against a toddler are inexcusible.

I went to Deb's site earlier today. One commenter was complaining that she was deleting his posts (there was nothing threatening in the one I read). I kept reading and then went back to see this person's post and it was gone.

Dr. Deb accuses Goldstein of maybe making changes to his site, but she proved to me that she has no compunction about doing it on hers.

433 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:20:49pm

#428 christheprofessor

It's just the whole point of that type of lifestyle of online gaming. I could see threats being made, talking smack, but attacking/knowingly pinpointing to a certain little one...it's a bit strange.

434 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:21:47pm

#423 Freebird

Oh, in your context (gaming/role playing), I also am a gamer, though virtual reality itself is of more interest to me than pure gaming.

I may play different games from those you play, but I don't threaten even then - but I have actually attacked and killed - in virtual reality (and, unfortunately, I've been attacked and killed - you have not lived until you've been bested by a swarm of radioactive rats in a sewer.)

I do understand your context perfectly, and I'm sure the FBI understands the concept as well. If they didn't, a lot of actors would be arrested right off the stage.

That, however, is not what Dr. Frisch was doing. Important difference - she was threatening a real person and a real person's little boy.

I'm curious: do you play other MMORPGs?

435 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:22:05pm

#433 Intestinal Fortitude

Okay, I get it... Thanks.

436 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:28:10pm

#429 Freebird
Heh. You're reasonable, didn't doubt that. It's a useful lesson to find out that there are some people who you can work with, some you can't, some you can work with but never socialize with and the reverse: some people you get along with socially, but could never work with. How people get along is affording each other a basic respect.
This case goes beyond all that - there is an aggressiveness that is not appropriate in any venue. The woman apparently gets paid for consulting on psychological issues, when she clearly has quite a few serious ones of her own. It's very bizarre and ugly.

437 6patrick6  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:28:11pm

This broad is truly out of her mind! She thinks it's ok, obviously, to threaten and taunt a toddler and her parents; yet she's a victim? So typical of the air in LeftyLand. Wonder what the color of the sky is on her planet? Her and that loon Churchill at CU should get together and exchange notes. If this is typical of college academia, my kids aren't getting anywhere near that garbage!

438 RickZ  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:35:45pm

# 432 SouthernRoots:

Dr. Deb accuses Goldstein of maybe making changes to his site, but she proved to me that she has no compunction about doing it on hers.

Typical lefty projection: I do it, so you must do it, too. Spineless doesn't do loony lefties justice.

439 Geepers  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:37:49pm

Intestinal Fortitude (#431),

It's my suspicion that Ms. Frisch read somewhere during her "education" that threats against one's children are the most antagonistic.

440 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:39:27pm

Coming next summer 'Debbie does KosVegas'

441 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:39:52pm

#434 Cattt:

No, I only play First Person Shooters since the Quake 2 days :)

My typical adversary, therefore, is a 12-year old Korean kid from California (nothing against Koreans, but they play a lot of Counter-Strike). This is as foul-mouthed and violence-minded a demographic as you will find, except maybe for my own - the bored and stressed college student. Counter-Strike, as you may know, also allows for some degree of actual voice communication (not just chat), so I occasionally get the pleasure of hearing some guy's real life voice telling me he's going to shove his AK47 up my... well, you get the idea.

So I guess I've gotten pretty jaded at online speech in general.

442 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:44:53pm

#441 Freebird
You have babies and you look at those soft little, cute innocent baby ears and suddenly you start saying things like "Gee whiz" and "Since when did they start talking trash like that on TV?"
If you don't, that little bundle of joy who can't do anything for the first five months except lay on his or her back and listen to everything around him, will reward you with his very first word: Dammit!

443 Render  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:51:42pm

ummhmm.

The CounterStrike/Day of Defeat servers are only nasty when they have bad admins.

DSSG,
R

444 frommer  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:52:54pm

Just when I thought Eugene could'nt get any worse...

445 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 3:53:56pm

Render
Take the marbles out of your mouth

446 kafir  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:06:28pm

Uh ... "Professor" Frish, or any other similarly minded nutjob academic, if you happen to glance over this way ...

You give academe a bad name. You make people like me who occasionally adjunct teach for the fun of it* regret being associated with these institutions. What you did "Professor" Frish was wrong. Apologizing to Jeff isn't enough in my book. You need to explain in detail what you did wrong. To the world. And promise never to do it again.

Because we are going to hold you to it "Professor" Frish. If it sounds like I am suggesting treating you like I treat my young daughter, well, yes, that is exactly what I am proposing. You acted like a child, you are going to be treated as such. And punished as such. To "Fisk" is already an internet verb. I suspect you may have just added a new one.

Learn from it. Grow with it. Move on.


* yes its for the fun, because universities don't value teaching, only research $$$. You should see what they pay per course, its pathetic.

447 Tinker  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:21:03pm

Deb,

I'm sure there's nothing to this, but I hear that Jeff can't locate his wife. Or his shotgun. Or their car, their cash and the bag of lime he keeps out back for the lawn.

I'm sure that there's nothing to worry about. After all, the old adage "the most dangerous place in the world is between a mother and her child" is so, well, passe, in this modern, relativist age, don't yuh think?

BTW, how come you haven't responded to my emails this evening?

Deb? Deb?

Oh, wait, come on now! You're not worried that your misinterpreted "quasi-threats" of murder and pedophilia would drive a caring, loving parent into instant defense mode, and you've booked to Venezuela? Calm down and think for a minute. Teddy got away with actual homicide, Kerry with treason and Murtha with soliciting bribes. Nobody cared about those things. So, heck, "implied" threats against a two-year old are, by comparison, no biggie nowadays.

So, no need to come here. Really. Trust me on this one.

Call me.

Luv yuh!

Hugo

BTW - Police report that Jeff's car was found with a burnt-out engine just south of Phoenix. Car was empty. Just so yuh know.

XOXO

H.

448 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:21:32pm

#442 Wanumba

You have babies and you look at those soft little, cute innocent baby ears and suddenly you start saying things like "Gee whiz" and "Since when did they start talking trash like that on TV?"
If you don't, that little bundle of joy who can't do anything for the first five months except lay on his or her back and listen to everything around him, will reward you with his very first word: Dammit!

Even worse: my son's first words were "Al Gore." He was born in the summer of 2000 and I watched a lot of Fox.

449 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:25:34pm

#448 Mandymanners
Oh, boy!

450 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:28:39pm
451 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:29:39pm

Looks like she quit deleting unfavorable, non-threatening posts, maybe she's to busy running a hose though her car window. I don't weep when evil people die. In fact I celebrate, think Purim. GO Hadassah!

452 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:32:25pm
453 Geepers  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:35:49pm

From Michelle Malkin:

Michelle,
I have word from the head of Human Resources here that Deborah Frisch has tendered her resignation.

Jeff Harrison
University Communications
The University of Arizona

454 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:42:14pm
455 BenZacharia  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:47:12pm

DEb writes

The department head said he would deal with this on Monday. No one has formally accepted my resignation yet. I've just submitted it. I understand there are many, many people out there who will want to know how the University of Arizona responds to my offer to give up my temporary gig teaching psychology next year. I will let you all know on Monday or Tuesday.

I'm just asking y'all to leave me alone and go stalk another moonbat.

Bolded admission of 'batness!

456 Jeff S.  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 4:53:04pm

#410 abu_garcia

Thanks, but it's just a paraphrase of the old lawyer joke.

457 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:01:47pm

#454 ploome h
Freebird is not the problem, Madame Debby Does Death threats is, so we're moving on. Keep the pressure on the right target.

458 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:08:06pm
459 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:08:39pm

441 Freebird

I have played one first-person shooter - Neocron, which is actually based on German servers - developed by Reakktor Media GmbH - so it's got a lot of Euro players.

I liked the cyberpunk nature of it and its setting and graphics. I love sci-fi, and I'm a sucker for cyberpunk.

Trailer:

And where else can you find a chain of Boobs 'n Guns stores? (Not necessarily work safe.)

460 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:12:38pm

451 BenZacharia

I think she went out for a breath of fresh air (according to a post I saw earlier today). Here's hoping it will help her get a grip.

461 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:15:42pm
462 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:22:55pm
463 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:25:00pm
464 Freebird  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:26:03pm

#459 Cattt

I just watched the video - yeah, that looks pretty cool, especially that guy with the flame thrower!

I've been playing a lot of Quake 4 lately, which is quite an improvement over the wussified Quake 3, but still not as good as the old Quake 2.

465 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:33:15pm

rayra

I think what you've been linking is already up in the thread somewhere... Not finding fault, mind you, just don't want you spinning your web-search-wheels for no reason...

466 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:48:42pm
467 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:51:26pm
468 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:53:49pm

BenZacharia

Many fields? Like What? And don't use the space program, all aerospace advancement comes from the military.

So just because you see a benefit, you get to pick my pocket and spend it as you like? National Endowment for the Arts too? Or where do you draw the line since you can't defend your position based on the original intent of the US Constitution.

How about research on the causes and treatment of cancer? Check out the web site of the National Cancer Institute, which, as far as I know, is entirely funded by the federal government. They conduct research internally and also fund research at universities throughout the United States.

How about research on diabetes? Check out the web site of the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases

Better yet, check out the web site of the National Institutes of Health to get a sense of the broad range of areas in which researchers are working on both basic and applied science to improve the health of U.S. citizens.

As for the idea that the achievements of the space program somehow come from the military, who do you think funds the military? And where do you think the technology that accounts for our military superiority is created?

Research relevant to the space program has been and is conducted at government, university, and industry research labs since it began. And research related to leadership, training, and technological innovation in the military has also been conducted by U.S. universities using federal funds. The research that led to the development of the Internet was carried out, in large part, at universities. Not to mention that the scientists involved in developing the space program were--gadzooks!--trained at universities supported by federal and, in some cases, state funds.

Government-funded research is no more a socialist enterprise than is highway-building.

You are clueless about how science is funded and conducted. There is no entity in the United States other than the government that has the resources to fund the research needed to improve the lives of the military and keep our society at the technological forefront.

As for the NEA, that's irrelevant to this discussion. And don't call me junior.

469 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:55:02pm
470 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:56:39pm

Rayra

Her Masters and PhD are Ivy League (U of Penn) but she apparently hasn't done much of consequence given her credentials since then...

Up in #262 above, Beagle has a link that has a lot of other links to her bio and background...

471 JustMyView  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 5:58:47pm

#467 rayra

I'm still looking on some Bio info for this creature. Wondering how much of a match for the prototypical moonbat prof she is, what year she got her degree, etc

Cattt posted her CV above. You can search on her nic.

472 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:01:06pm
473 Carridine  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:03:25pm

1957 PST: Ace of Spades' "Frisch Final Exam" now posted at BrainSurgery...

Gotta get Mr Friskee, too... HE's in on it!

474 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:03:37pm
475 formercorpsman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:04:31pm

I'm drunk.

Fuck her.

Dumb bitch.

476 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:07:51pm

#475 formercorpsman

I'm drunk.

Fuck her.

Dumb bitch.

I'd have to be drunk to fuck the dumb bitch...

477 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:13:36pm

474 Rayra

A Christian apologist?

What the hell is up with this campus?

478 formercorpsman  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:14:06pm

I just read her response.

Just unreal, no lofty words, or sentences to describe.

Trust me, and I mean trust me. Threaten my kids, and I will make the 3000 mile round trip to talk it over.

479 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:16:40pm
480 Midwestprof  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:18:14pm

#426 Uncle Joe

Am I the only person on earth who thinks there's a link between Deb Frisch and her ilk and stories like this?:

"At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust"


I read through the article on the link you provided. Very interesting. I hope every prof out there in LGF land reads it. However, there are a few (quite a few, actually) points in the article I would take issue with. Too numerous to mention here. But I do agree that video games are the bane of male students.

481 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:20:01pm

From Rayra's link:

Half an hour into the forum, Deborah Frisch, professor and adjunct lecturer in psychology, jumped into the discussion by asking Knechtle, "Why do you think God's a he?"

Naw, she doesn't teach her personal ideology. Not in the classroom anyhow...right?

482 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:22:13pm
483 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:24:48pm
484 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:29:05pm
485 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:30:42pm
486 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:35:24pm
487 christheprofessor  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:36:18pm

From Rayra's #479 link:

You might find it queer that a psychologist who studies stereotypes would have such strange stereotypes.

The question, as Dr. Deb records it, was, "Why do lesbians try to make themselves unattractive to men?"

He didn't say, "Why do you lesbians try to make yourselves unattractive to men?"

Dr. Deb was interviewing coming out of an Ivy League institution and was asked a valid question about stereotypes -- she, in her uber-lesbian-sensitivity (note the use of the word queer, as in "odd"), hyperventilated and had a freaking cow thinking about it afterwards... Um, Dr. Deb -- does one have to hold to a stereotype to be allowed to ask about it?

488 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:37:14pm

483 rayra

My folks would tan my ass if I said what she said to someone. Deb's folks would say "wash your own mouth out young lady."

Anyhow, check out her site: Fox is knocking at the door. I kind of called that one :)

489 mattm  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:37:26pm

No suprize that it teaches at a University. The lefty profs seem to have the IQ of a 5 year old sometimes

490 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:38:33pm
491 Intestinal Fortitude  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:40:43pm

She is now in Full Victim Mode™

492 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 6:58:31pm
493 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:04:56pm
494 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:07:24pm
495 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:11:00pm
496 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:22:43pm

#458 Ploom H

next time someone threatens your kid I will call that incident unfortunate
meanwhile,
I did want to drop it,but I had to respond to your stupid post


Next time leave out stupid. We almost lost our 3 three old in ethnic cleansing street riots in 1989 during Muslim on Muslim riots in Mauritania. Five of us, four kids and myself were trapped inside a mall during the first Ivory Coast mutiny, with automatic weapons being fired inside the building. Our kids school was torched twice by rampaging mobs the third time, it closed for good. There's more than this. Our downstairs neighbors in Guinea were diamond traders, their kids had bodyguards. One did not allow an unescorted child out on the streets where we lived.
I know a few things first hand about kids being threatened, so I never take such things lightly, nor stupidly.

497 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:34:44pm

Going back to other comments concerning the criminal aspects of the remarks made toward the child.
In my state, at the very least, this behavior would be considered aggravated harrassment-which is a felony.
Now, these comments, threats, etc crossed state lines-the perpetrator resides in AZ or OR and the victim resides in CO-Federal laws would come into play.
Solicitation of a child, soliicitation to exploit a child, etc etc, you get the idea.
At the very least, the local CO authorities should be alerted to the situation. Additionally, the Attorney Generals of Co, AZ, and OR should also be alerted.
Sending such direct comments posing a threat -sexually explicit comments, posing a threat to a child via the internet are not taken lightly.

498 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:41:26pm
499 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:43:58pm

#497 Bay54
I touched on this in #424
You've got some better meat, though.

500 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:46:47pm

Going back to law and contracts. If she did indeed use U of A email to send these explicit sexual comments concerning a child, well, she is most certainly in breach of contract.
That is most likely why she resigned. If she had not, all would come out and she would possibly be beset with a civil suit (in addition to possible criminal actions). This is just legalese spectualation on my part -but again, you get the idea.

501 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:48:43pm

Wan,
Thanks-the thread is so long that I didn't see your comments but I will go back and read same in #424.
Bay

502 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:49:06pm
503 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:50:54pm

Wan,
I read #424-yes, we are on the same path.

504 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:54:25pm

Just a suggestion-it may be neither here nor there, but if you are contacting the U of A, if I might suggest that you also contact AZ Senators and Congresspeople from that district-also state senators of that district. Should this University be receiving public funding when it has hired a person who is sending lewd comments via the internet to a child?
Just my two cents.

505 wanumba  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:59:00pm

#503 Bay54
Yes. Your specifics are much better.
Regards.

506 x7c00  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:59:21pm

WoW!

507 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 7:59:59pm
508 Strangelove  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:00:32pm

Anybody know where this freak got her ph.D? It would be appropriate to have her doctorate revoked, ala Michael Belleisles at Emory.

509 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:02:19pm

She is Ivy League -Doctorate from U of Penn

510 strangelove  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:06:27pm

#333-

You're way late, I'm afraid.

See this:


October 27, 2004

Democrat tries to run over Katherine Harris.


A Florida man has been charged with attempting to run over controversial Republican congresswoman Katherine Harris with his Cadillac. According to the below Sarasota Police Department report, Barry Seltzer, 46, told cops that he was simply exercising his "political expression" when he drove his car at Harris and several supporters, who were campaigning last night at a Sarasota intersection. ..For his part, Seltzer--who's a registered Democrat--told cops, "I intimidated them with the car. They were standing in the street." He added, "I did not run them down, I scared them a little!" That explanation did not stop investigators from arresting Seltzer for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a felony.

511 x7c00  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:10:38pm

I just got into PW thru Google. Must be a fluke. Th

512 Bay54  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:11:46pm

Hypothetically speaking,
If a person signs a contract and is given access to an email associated with that contract and if that contract spitulates that no adherent, criminal behavior etc is to be fostered via that email and if that contract is breached -whether that person is no longer associated with that institution does not matter. The fact that the contract was breached while that person was associated with that institution and the email was used in an adherent, criminal, adverse manner is key. The person breaching the contract may still be held in breach of contract and may be sued in various ways by the institution.
So, I would venture to say, hypothetically, keep emailing the institution.

513 kafir  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 8:18:28pm

#212 BenZacharia

Since when is science socialism?

Part of providing for the common defense is making damn sure our weaponry can beat the tar out of their weaponry.

Part of providing for the general welfare means making sure we can solve health and other crisis that might affect our citizens from time to time.

Nothing comes for free. You can't defend your country without weapons. You can't cure illnesses without the proper medical care. All of this costs money.

Sadly if you disagree with the promotion of the common defense or promoting the general welfare of our citizens, then you are against the very foundations of our society. See this document if you are not sure what I mean. Especially that first paragraph.

Nothing good in life is free. This document and all that was built as a result of it required a high price be paid. In money and more importantly, in lives. So that we don't have to spend as much in lives, I personally don't have any issues in spending a little more in money.

The NSF has a budget of under 10B$/year. Thats about $33 per person in the US. The NIH has a budget closer to $30B. Thats about $100/person. What they return to us for this is quite positive.

That is, assuming you think advanced medical care, better and safer drugs, better and safer transportation, faster communications, and many other things are of value. If not, well, there are some pacific island nations that might like a new member of society and not tax you for inappropriate things. Like research into infectious disease.

514 Catttt  Sat, Jul 8, 2006 10:39:43pm

Looong thread, and I didn't see this posted. Here is a pic of Dr. Frisch, posted by her nibs on her Web site. Because I know you were curious.

515 BenZacharia  Sun, Jul 9, 2006 1:29:41am

kafir & JustMyView

If it can't be supported through a valid Constitutional argument, its wrong. Re-read my post and you'll see that I've no problem with National Defense etc. I have a HATE for socialism/communism.

If it weren't for the regressive, socialist/communist tax, intellectual property and Patent laws more basic and advanced research would be done by private enterprise.

Neither you or JustMyView have made an attempt to validate your position with Constitutional arguments.

Both of you need to click on my football and check my posts before you offer advice to me on cancer and healthcare.

.

516 BenZacharia  Sun, Jul 9, 2006 6:00:30am

Of course to some the Constitution is a living document, so it may not say what it says.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

Give em money? nope.

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

517 kafir  Sun, Jul 9, 2006 12:39:12pm

#515 BenZacharia

I used to argue with some groups of people for the fun of it. They would take
extreme and quite ridiculous positions, and I would call them on it. Was fun
for a while, debunking the creationists, and other nutjobbers.

You opine that taxation to support research which benefits the nation is somehow
a socalistic/communistic tool, and you are adamantly opposed to it.

I pointed to the preamble of the constitution of the US which specifically
states that the government is to promote the general welfare, provide for the
common defense, among other things.

You then pointed out Of course to some the Constitution is a living document,
so it may not say what it says.

Er... uh... you want to read that again, slowly, out loud this time? What you wrote makes no sense.

Yes, the constitution is a living document. Yes, it says what it says. The
interpretation of said document is left to the courts which have established
mostly clear principles on interpretation.

The value of the constitution is that it is transparent. You cannot have it say
one thing and mean something entirely different.

Further, you quote from it:

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties,
imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and
general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall
be uniform throughout the United States;

Again, what are the purposes of the tax? 1) pay debts 2) PROVIDE FOR
THE COMMON DEFENSE
3) PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE

So we have established thus far that the government of the united states has the
power and authority to levy taxes for specific purposes. One of those being
defense. Another being promoting the general welfare.

No disagreements. Simply restating the obvious, and you appear to agree that it
is indeed obvious.

Moving along:

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited
times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings
and discoveries;

Again, this establishes copyrights, and patents. Both badly abused in this
country. But that is a problem we can fix.

Ok, so we have points A and B. A is the government may tax to provide for the
common defense, and promote the general welfare. Point B is that scientists and
"useful artists" may secure protection of exclusivity for fixed lenghts of time.

Now look
carefully
at what the government thinks section 8 means. From the
explanation on the part of the Senate:

Section 8 begins the enumerated powers of the federal government delegated
to Congress. The first is the power to tax and to spend the money raised by
taxes, to provide for the nationu2019s defense and general welfare. This
section was supplemented by the 16th amendment, which permitted Congress to levy
an income tax.

The government is allowed to tax. The government is allowed to spend.

Spend on what?

Items that provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare.

I agree with you that giving money to Egypt does neither of these, and should be
stopped.

I strongly disagree with you that spending money on weapons and health research
does not in fact provide for the common defense nor promote the general welfare.

I think you are simply quite wrong about this. Nothing about this is
socialistic. Nothing is communistic. Inventors get to keep what they create
for some period of time. Government doesn't get into the business of owning
things. There are no social contracts.

I live with being taxed, and (sadly) I pay quite a bit in taxes. I just don't
want my taxes getting into splodeydopes hands to kill me or my children. You
apparantly want all hands off your wallet, period. Don't want to contribute to
national defense? Or to promoting general welfare? Sad

518 BenZacharia  Sun, Jul 9, 2006 1:58:12pm

kafir

debunking the creationists, and other nutjobbers.

Well let's see who's on your list; Jooos & Christians, nice.

Expand the list; Authors/Writer of the Declaration of Independence, Authors/writer of the Constitution, Authors/Writers of the Federalists. Even Darwin makes this list as he believed in creation and a Creator.

Who's not on your list?
Sanger (baby grinder), Stalin, Lenin, Hitler (not a Christer), Mao, Pol Pot, kafir.

Section 8 defines itself, general welfare is only found in that section. Nice straw man argument about not paying any taxes, never said it so you invent it.

As for what Congress thinks is not relevant, they think McCain/Fiengold is OK, and the Supremes are whiffing the 'penumbra on the emanations'.

Section 8 clearly spells out what the taxes are to be used for, item by item. One of you set up the straw man that I was against roads, yet it is in there, Highways yep, national defense, Ike 1956 DOD Project.

And once again read the Federalist and see what the founders thought general welfare meant.

Last post on this subject as I hate socialists/communists. If you think it's worth it, find some like minded people and pay for it yourselves, and quit stealing from patriots.

Welcome to scroll-over country with AI.

519 WriterMom  Sun, Jul 9, 2006 4:37:57pm

What a psychopath. I hope she gets locked up.


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