Retch.

George Washington was a much snappier dresser than KSM.

KSM is just a victim. Call the ACLU. /(of course)

"Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman."

So in KSM's and the Wonderful World of Kos, we would RAISE ourselves if we would just accept the fact that we are to BE killed, and NOT kill in return.

Thanks for clarifying that !

Can we question their patriotism and their sanity?

He is saddened by the deaths of the 3000 civilians in Sept. 11, especially the lives of children, but points out that America too, when pursuing a target, will knowingly bomb houses with children and innocents inside.

I'm sure he was deeply saddened.

Anyway, if a civilian dies in an American attack, you can bet that the target was not the civilian.

What a stupid, stupid person.

Can't we all just get along?

KSM is just so misunderstood.

Hey, Kosss.

#5 DesertSage
And their judgment.

He is saddened by the deaths of the 3000 civilians in Sept. 11, especially the lives of children...

Let's help him be sadder.

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman.

Fighting for human rights and to protect your friends, your family and your countrymen is just killing. Right.

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman. KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist.

Nick Berg could not be reached for comment.

I think we might have a love connection.

There is nothing left to say for them.

They are blind.

Isn't calling KSM "eloquent" a lot like calling Barack Obama "articulate"?

Racists!

This makes me want to puke.

What an ass. I guess for Daniel Pearls it was just a case of really "bad luck".

From the "No shit, Sherlock" department:

Killing is killing

Gosh, let me find my pencil. I want to write that bon mot down.

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman.

Fine, go offer yourself for human sacrifice first. Cause, WTF is gonna stop them from wanting to kill? Huh? More effin UN resolutions and all the money in the world? come on KOS MORONS?

Is there any wonder if the Der Kos kids would have made wonderful nazis if it were 1938.

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman. KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist

If you can't see that turning children into human bombs is evil or cutting off a poor reporters head because he is Jew is evil...then you are blind to evil...they kill men,women and children to advance Islam...there is no other reason...wake up or get out of the way!

Nice et tu quoque argument. Washington wouldn't have been considered an "enemy combatant;" he was a the general of a rebellious colonial army. He would have been hanged for treason, not placed in a camp.

Don't say it in Russian
Don't say it in German
Say it in broken English

Shouldn't that be Konvergence?

He'll be asked to give the commencement address at Evergreen State College, just like Mumia a natural fit.

Ok, these MFers have stepped over a big red line. Their now supporting the Muslim terrorists who would cut their sisters throat right in front of them.

God Help any of them if we ever meet on a city street...

America too, when pursuing a target, will knowingly bomb houses with children and innocents inside. ...

Wrong. America spends hundreds of billions of dollars developing, purchasing and training to use "smart" weapons that are designed to reduce the killing.

boy, self-loathing runs deep on the left, doesn't it? certainly helps explain all those hapless clowns running around in che t-shirts...

It's all relative. It's all the same. It is just a matter of perspective. Sigh!

/Can you wake me when the bus stops in Utopia?

Poor KSM just needs a hug.

I'd like to see this moron explain all this lovey-dovey moral relativity to Daniel Pearl's widow and all those who lost loved ones on 9/11, face-to-face. This is the kind of thinking that is sinking us.

#5 Desert Sage:

They have neither patriotism nor sanity, and it shows big-time to anybody with half a brain.

JAFLW

The kossacks have shown time and again for which side they cheer and which side they jeer.

Hitler was a nice guy...he just wanted the west to leave him alone, that's all.

#21 PEG

I prefer to equate them to Neville Chamberlains

Holy crap u can't make this stuff up. This is like all the delusional US history/foreign policy rubbish I used to believe...back in tenth grade.

I grow weary of these fools

So ,a kick in his red diaper baby ass is the same as a kick to me?
Go ahead, punk, give it a try,make my friggin day.

37 BabbaZee 3/15/2007 11:35AM PDT

I grow weary of these fools

Me too...but they seem to grow daily...sigh...come out from among her...

It's amazing how eagerly the Left believes the Muslim imperialists' "explanation" of why they kill innocents.

The stock answer is that America has bombed and raped the world for pleasure and profit, and now the victims are fighting back.

The only problem with that answer is that it is a Big, Fat Lie.

Though it is a very convenient lie. It covers up the fact that Islam commands its followers to conquer the world. It covers up the fact that Islam opposes democracy and supports dictatorship. It provides moral cover for an ideology that embraces slavery, oppression of women, religious intolerance, law without due process, and obscene punishments for crimes--some of them victimless.

What moral degeneracy. Here is a Leftist heaping respect and admiration on a mass murderer. Islamists claim they don't enjoy killing children. But they make no effort to avoid killing them, celebrate when they do kill them, and on many occasions they have targeted schools.

This guy is begging for a lobotomy.

But the only thing that bothers me about the KSM confession sheet is that he seems like a Really busy guy, don't you think? I mean, this guy seems to've masterminded virtually every terrorist plot I've heard of, all of which occurred or were intended to occur within a few years...

Not doubting the validity of the information, the method of extraction or the gov't agents involved, but doesn't the list seem just a little comprehensive? On my first read it sort of sounded like it bolstered the anti-war claim I to which I generally and strenuously object, namely that this is a law enforcement problem. Aside from the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, which badly needs a large dose of plausibly-deniable biological warfare, someone please point out the error in this very pro-WoT guy's vague suspicions.

another journalism major at a liberal arts college, evidently...

KOS.

So easily fooled.

They do not deserve the freedoms provided by the blood shed of those who hold it sacred.

As the great Ron White quips:

"You can't fix stupid"

The Kos Kidz komments are krazy. KSM is a psychotic Ron Jeremy lookalike with delusions of grandeur. " He points out that America too, when pursuing a target, will knowingly bomb houses with children and innocents inside. ..." When the f*** did we knowingly do that? This is sick stuff.

#39 storagemanager
GOD give us the fortitude to endure to the end!

Where's (yellow)snowtravel to shed light as to why he is right and the west is to blame.

OH YEAH! That's right...he didn't offer anything...just trashed LGF and it's posters...nevermind.

/stupidisasstupiddoes

I have to admit, I'm actually kind of surprised. Where are all the fawning comments over at D'Kos in response to this "diary"? Is the reality-based community out protesting the oppressive NCAA tournament?

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman.

The above is an especially detestable example of leftist moral equivalence, exactly as the LLL love to either practice it themselves or laud it in others.

Of course, all killings are NOT equal, and everyone here knows it.

First of all, what American ever calls killing by Americans "holy"? Killing enemies in war is simply a necessary job which we would rather not need to do but must do. This is war, idiot Kossite! This "holy" killing thing is typical lunatic, straw-man exaggeration by terrorists & Kossites.

Second, am I now to understand that the 9/11 attacks are NOT to be considered evil?

As eloquent as Himmler when he lamented that he was concerned about the adverse psychological effects that SS German troops were experiencing from having to mass murder Jews up-close with rifles and bayonets.

#6, Mambo

K.S. Mohammed is counting on his audience not appreciating (or remembering) the distinction that for someone who professes sadness at the death of civilians he sure picked a method of attack (hijacking civilian jumbo jets with passengers on them and flying them into buildings, in the case of the Twin Towers, occupied by civilians) that guaranteed civilians would be killed, and in large numbers.

#42 Raider Dan
Probably a straight-A student.

KSM makes a statement that many in a liberal arts college would find familiar

Couldn't have said it better myself. And we're worrying about one so-called "mastermind"? We've got bigger problems which are going to get much worse.

KSM makes a statement that many in a liberal arts college would find familiar

Heh. The pig-f***r makes lots of statements like that. Glad the folks over at Kos have figured it out. Oh, wait, I guess they haven't.

KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist.

Are we talking about the same KSM, 9/11 plotter, Daniel Pearl beheader, Ron Jeremy in a pillowcase? That KSM?

Are they saying that KSM is 'articulate'?

#26 Maximu&sect:

Ok, these MFers have stepped over a big red line. Their now supporting the Muslim terrorists who would cut their sisters throat right in front of them.

They're now supporting the muslim terrorists? They've been supporting them for a very long time. Where have you been?

If Britain had beaten out the colonies in the Revolutionary War, he insinuates, George Washington would not be a hero, but an ‘enemy combatant:’ a terrorist...

What a poor grasp on history. First of all, the Americans established a government and formally declared Independence, thereby granting them the authority to declare war against the occupying Brits. al-qaeda is not a government entity in any way, shape or form, therefore a term such as Prisonor of War cannot be applied due to the lack of a government with which to arrange a prisoner swap or conduct any formal negotiations. Not so for the American Revolution.

Second, Washington, and the other Founding Fathers, would have been "traitors"- a term any kosling would avoid looking into since it might hit a little close to home.

Some Imams incite to kill women, beat children: PA Academic

In an open challenge to Palestinian leadership, Dr. Nadir Sa'id of Bir Zeit University condemned the violence in Palestinian society and placed the blame on the political and religious leaders. He blamed both Fatah and Hamas, including the Prime Minister and others ministers, for hundreds of killings. He condemned some Imams who preach the killing of women and beating of children. He criticized these actions, as well as the hate incitement that has created a Palestinian society permeated with violence. Children have learned that the use of violence achieves power and influence.

This self-criticism is rare in the PA media. If it continues, this is a positive development.

[Link: www.pmw.org.il...]

But it's Israel and the US that are innately violent.

'KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist.'

. The Kos children never met Khalid Sheikh Mohammed face to face. For that, they can thank G_d, the Pakistani ISI, and American 'mercenaries' from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

#57 NoSubmission:

Are they saying that KSM is 'articulate'?

Hey, quit stealing my line!

Killing is killing; well no, some killing is murder.

Some people do not understand the difference.

All deaths on 9-11 were murder.

That is one sick puppy, right there.

Hey Kos and TH Amos (the diarist):

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

I'd try to explain the many, many ways your diary is 100% completely full of ###, but the lizards all here know them already (it's called criticial thinking -- I'd say try it sometime, but even normal thinking is clearly beyond your limited mental capabilities) and you are too damn stupid to understand even the simplest of them...

There are simply no words that Charles will allow on this site to describe this loathesome little object. If Kos cannot see the difference between those engaged in hijacking and flying airplanes into buildings, using children as human shields, beheading those who subscribe to a different religion with those who go to do everything possible to depose a ruthless dictator and repressive government, and who also do everything possible to avoid the taking of human life, even to the point of compromise of their own safety, then there is, at long last, no hope for Markos Zuniga and his band of mental defectives - they have finally gone through the looking glass are are totally incapable of dealing with reality.

I would advise anyone running for public office who have been pandering to these nitwits to distance themself(ves) immediately and condemn these remarks for what they are.

One wonders if Ned LaMont is feeling any shame at all at this moment.

Now, if they'd only apply the same logic to Jewish children...

I must have been sleeping in history class. I totally missed the part where George Washington and the Continental Army were sneaking into Britain and murdering thousands of civilians.

Sheesh, I always miss the good stuff.

#49 rabidsquirrel

they're at HuffPo today.

I like this comment:

What the hell were you thinking when you picked the title for this diary? You're an embarassment. This scumbag is responsible for killing thousands, and attempting to kill thousands more.

Cue the "Truthers".

Behold, the Democratic base.

#21 pegcity

Is there any wonder if the Der Kos kids would have made wonderful nazis if it were 1938.

Hell, even the nazis dressed better than these "Rage Against My Allowance"* Kozby Kids.

* quoted from iowahawk

If they don't want to be on the receiving end of American bombs, then they ought to stop killing Americans while hiding behind "innocent" civilians.

WAAAY over the top. gotta be a Moby. That thread will vanish. Then again, maybe it is actually getting this bad.

incrementandexcrement

Hmm, one of the few comments there took that dolt Amos to task. Apparently, this level of fawning over a terrorist is too much for even some of the Kossucks.

If I knew how, I'd post a flying pig here...

This Kos diary sounds just like it came fresh from DNC headquarters.

This diary is consistent ,of the feelings of most Democrats and several RINO Republicans.

"America is bad and it has been since its beginnings"

That is the modern leftist/Democrat creed.

Islamofascist human butchers and leftists/Democrats sound one in the same.

That is a serious problem that will eventully need to be addressed by decent American.

I just looked at the comments on the Kos thread. Even THEIR readers think the guy's a monstrous creep.

Maybe there are limits, even for the that crowd.

rabidsquirrel:

What the hell were you thinking when you picked the title for this diary? You're an embarassment. This scumbag is responsible for killing thousands, and attempting to kill thousands more.

This individual will be quickly tombstoned and his comment removed under the guise that he is either (1) a lizardoid imposter from LGF or (2) a lousy Freeper troll.

If Britain had beaten out the colonies in the Revolutionary War, he insinuates, George Washington would not be a hero, but an ‘enemy combatant:’ a terrorist.

No if Britain had beaten out the colonies. The King would not allow this discussion, the ME would all be British Colonies and KSM would have been hung long ago.

There would be no American bombs killing muslims if muslims were actually peaceful.

To us a smart bomb is one that is made more accurate to avoid collateral damage, to them a smart bomb is one that knows how to get to Sbarro's.

REgarding the Left and KSM

Now that he's confessed, will they stop production of the movie about Daniel Pearl with Angelina as his wife?

Now that they can't twist it as "appearing to be killed by a muslim" but then, in reality, we've been duped and it's NOT muslims, ala 24 and every other programme on BBC 1,2,32,4,5,34,4.

I mean, how will they face up the protests about portraying Pearl's killer as a muslim?

I'm being seious.

Pearl was a hero to them for a while.

#63 Ojoe - Uh, no actually. The 10 highjackers died that day while committing murder; I'd classify them as suicides.

#66, Carolina Girl

Kos didn't write the "diary" (and Charles makes that clear) but the fact that it's up at his site speaks volumes, doesn't it?

Just received this email from a lefty:

[Link: www.salon.com...]

When will we hear from Howard Kurtz with a front-page Washington Post story, or Wolf Blitzer and Sean Hannity with dramatic television coverage?

Revelations that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed planned assassination plots against former Presidents Carter and Clinton -- especially Carter -- are causing great confusion among right-wing Civilization Warriors...

But commenters at Little Green Footballs have not only expressed surprise, but outright support, for Mohammed's assassination plot against a former U.S. President. They are out in droves expressing sorrow that Al Qaeda did not have the opportunity to carry out its plot.

...

Here, one of the largest right-wing blog communities which pretends to be opposed to Al Qaeda is expressing support for Al Qaeda murder plots against former U.S. Presidents . ...

Unlike Huffington Post, which deleted the comments in question, Johnson (at LittleGreenFootballs) has left them on his blog. Even more significantly, Johnson actively and regularly deletes comments he does not like, which lends some credibility to the notion that he approves of these comments,

Ironically, some of the commenters wishing for the death of Clinton and Carter are THE SAME commenters who expressed outrage during the "liberals are meanies" non-story a few weeks ago.

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot, nor has a single right-wing blogger (that I'm aware of) said a single word about any of it.

Liberal media my ballsack

.

#77 scott in east bay
I just looked at the comments on the Kos thread. Even THEIR readers think the guy's a monstrous creep. Maybe there are limits, even for the that crowd.

Look again. They're all by the same guy.

rabidsquirrel

Hey, quit stealing my line!

First time I used it. Didn't see it.
:P

#60 Ben Hur

But it's Israel and the US that are innately violent.

And Islam is all about women's rights, unlike those Christofascist godbags who founded the U.S.

///

PIMF to my #82 19, not 10/.
Sigh.

How can anyone find sympathy for this prick? Unbelievable...

#41 kulthur

This guy is begging for a lobotomy.

I think he first needs a brain in order to qualify for a lobotomy.

"Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman."

I am sure KSM is a real fan of Nazi science, after all, science is science - who are we to define our science as noble and holy and the Nazi's as evil and inhuman.

We're rational human beings that's who we are. That's why we define some things as noble and and some as evil.

On Saturday, Khalid Sheihk Muhammed confessed to a staggering array of terrorist plots, from September 11 to the 1993 WTC bombings, from attempts on a handful of public figures (the Pope, Musharraf) to attempts on a handful of US buildings (Sears Tower, Empire State Building

Notice that they left out Bill and Jimmy, yet pointed out the Pope and Musharraf, 2 that hardly have a KOS following or any sympathy if they were killed.

He just wants us to admit that there are victims on both sides - that, to some suffering communities who have been on the wrong end of American bombs, Americans are the inhuman ‘enemy combatants.’

Aw, innat sweeet.

He just wants us to admit that Islam is a viable answer for humanity. What could be more reasonable?

Oh, and he also wants his successors to successfully bomb the crap out of us whenever and wherever they can, using splodeydopes or flying airliner bombs, it doesn't really matter.

Just a nice guy caught up in circumstances beyond his control. How pitiful.

wow wow wow and... wow

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot, nor has a single right-wing blogger (that I'm aware of) said a single word about any of it.

Well- that's just outright bullsh*t.

Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman. KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist.

Actually, in this case as many, what Islamic Jihadists do is not killing. It is MURDER. What we're doing is Killing the Murderers. And it is just and right to kill MURDERERS.

Learn the distinction, dipshit. Maybe a few months hanging with some jihadists would change your slack-jawed reverence for these filth.

Killing is killing

That's an amazing statement. So, the execution of Ted Bundy and the wholesale slaughter of Jews in nazi Germany are equivalent?

These terrorists really know what heart strings to pull in order to get the desired response from the ‘pacifists’. American and Coalition Forces are under immense pressure not to kill innocent civilians even holding their fire when under fire. While our enemies fly civilian aircraft into tall buildings both full of innocent civilians. Yeah, I can see the equivalence between George Washington and KSM very clearly. Now I have to get back to work.

#84 newsjunkie_ky
It's been awhile!

Thanks for posting what happens when people don't use their brains. I hope everyone who needs to read it reads it.

#83 Dar

Are diary entries similar to, say, the Topic Headlines that Charles posts here for us to comment on?

And of course the fool fails to understand that there is no place on earth where the original inhabitants are the original inhabitants. OK. Even the indigenous Irish were occupied and bred out of existence by the vikings.

Not to mention how islam "spread" and is "spreading."

Start the retard off easy, like with a copy of Quest for Fire, maybe/

#77 scott in east bay

I just looked at the comments on the Kos thread. Even THEIR readers think the guy's a monstrous creep.

Maybe there are limits, even for the that crowd.

I don't buy that for a second.

After the main Koskook Marcos posted the "Screw Em" diary, about the 4 American contractors who were beaten, their bodies had been burned, while they were still alive, hung from a bridge, and then beaten to pieces with sticks, by a mob after their hung, burned, completely charred bodies had been cut down, it is very clear where the Daily Kos stands.

Marcos Kos, wrote that diary, complete with pictures of the process of what happened to the Americans.

Those 4 Americans were as much Americans as you and I and the Koskook, yet, he clearly reveled in the facts of what happened to them.

I hope he burns in hell for that one, alone!

Seriously, when the Kostards, the Jewish Israel-hating groups, the new "lefty christians", the MSM and the terrorist scumbags themselves all sound like they're reading out of the same playbook you'd think some of them would take a deep breath, pull a couple of brain cells together and get a new playbook!

He is likewise preoccupied by making the point that Islam is not a bloodthirsty religion. ...there are exceptions to injunctions against violence found in the Qur’an. It is our “bad luck,” he says, to be included in that exception. ...

Now where I have I seen this before? "We're not violent at all, except when we need to teach you a lesson by killing you."

What about Hitler's Mom?

101 Ben Hur
Further to your excellent point...

The Native Americans weren't even the first inhabitants of North America.

There is evidence of earlier civilizations.

And guess what?

Sorry, KOS'ers and KSM, OBL, et al...

It wasn't Islam.

But commenters at Little Green Footballs have not only expressed surprise, but outright support, for Mohammed's assassination plot against a former U.S. President. They are out in droves expressing sorrow that Al Qaeda did not have the opportunity to carry out its plot.

And which thread is that? I completely missed it.

#99 JD
Hi J.D.

Been a bad time. I've kept up with the posts by Charles but haven't been able to read all the comments.

Now, LGFers need to know that the lefties are reading this blog very carefully and trying to discredit Charles. We need to remember to not give them ammo.

#84,

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot, nor has a single right-wing blogger (that I'm aware of) said a single word about any of it.

That assertion is just bullshit, and I can prove it.

Has anyone posted this? The Kos Poster Boy for Mutual Understanding: I Decapitated Daniel Pearl.

looks like the kos kids are going to be cannon fodder. fine. that will buy the rest of us some time.

#107 Carolina Girl

I missed it, too.

I saw speculating how history would have been different if either plot had succeeded, I saw pointing out the massive failures in Carter and Clinton ME policy...I didn't see cheering for Al Qaeda.

# 107 Carolina Girl

It was in this one:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The lefties want to destroy this blog.

#55 Amphibian

Thought of that too, right on

#48 sponge

Thank you very little.

#70 rabid squirrel:

5...4...3...2...

#21 Pegcity

Is there any wonder if the Der Kos kids would have made wonderful nazis if it were 1938.

No, I think they would have made wonderful French, though.

110 writermom

I wonder if this is the 'eloquence' of which KOS speaks?

From your link:

"I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew Daniel Pearl," Mohammed said through a personal representative, according to the transcript released by the Pentagon.

To be fair, this Kos diary attracted little attention, and three different people posted "are you nuts" replies to it. If it does draw attention there, it most likely will be rated troll, and you'll see recipes popping up on the thread.

#100, Carolina Girl

Are diary entries similar to, say, the Topic Headlines that Charles posts here for us to comment on?

Not even that, I think.

I think it's like a group blog, but I leave it to others to try to komprehend the Kos Kommunity.

Don't you remember GW kidnapping and beheading Tory loyalists and slaughtering 3,000 British civilians in the streets of London? It was his only option. The redcoats were soo much stronger that he was forced to adopt these tactics.

#113 newsjunkie_ky

Oh.

Did your lefty friend point out all the KosKidz who thought it was wrong to wish Darth Cheney had been killed by the Taliban?

I've never been over there before - to Kosland - but to see this, I had to. I'm glad to see that the 5 comments are negative ones, but I question an environment that could produce such a disgusting post.

#107 Carolina Girl
#113 newsjunkie_ky

It was comment #81 on that thread, and it's still there. But some people did speak out against it; I should've but got lazy and didn't.

Hang this fucker. Send him to his paradise.

If this guy did all he's taking credit for, they should drop him in his tracks. However, I also have to wonder if he is saying all of this to throw everyone off...?

Just a thought.

#109 Dar

Thank you for the link. Salon.com should be ashamed of itself. (It won't be - but it should.)

#84 newsjunkie_ky 3/15/2007 11:49AM PDT

Just received this email from a lefty:

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot, nor has a single right-wing blogger (that I'm aware of) said a single word about any of it.

Can you e-mail back to this leftidiot? If so, point him to my post here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] (post #51 on that thread).

Also point to goddessoftheclassroom's post here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] (post #122 on that thread).

So, he didn't actually read all the comments, he's illiterate (I'd say my calling for KSM to be offed for plotting to kill Clinton would count as condemnation), or he's a ###ing liar. Or all three.

Thanks!

#116 NoSub

That's the quote I was thinking of, too.

Did anyone really expect a different reaction from the Left?

I mean seriously, did anyone really expect a different reaction?

Ah, more fun with "Moral Equivilance" from the Kossacks

OT (Off Track)

Is there a relationship in Minneapolis between:

Girl finds missing dog's head in box on doorstep
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Airport taxi controversy: Why here?
Muslim Taxi drivers refuse to drive those with seeing eye dogs.
[Link: www.garoweonline.com...]

(Unclean) Dogs in Islamic "Scriptures"
[Link: www.answering-islam.de...]

Just wondering!

Quick! Get the live satellite feed up from GITMO and get him on Maher's Politically Incorrect immediately! Give this man a forum now! We need his side of the story, the government is railroading this man! This can be a ratings bonanza- more bread and circuses at the expense of BusHilter for his studio mob (errr, audience).

See how quick they are to question the "confession" of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and suggest that it was extracted through torture?

I'll bet my 401K against a donut that by the end of the week, the Dems will begin the process of organizing a committe to investigate whether Khalid's civil rights were violated. By next month, a liberal federal judge will rule the confession to be inadmissible in a civilian criminal court because of questionable tactics of the interrogators.

This is why the terrorist detainees must be jailed far away from mainland USA where the misguided ACLU and the Democrats will advise them that they have the right to remain silent and the right to a lawyer and the right to vote.

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot

Wrong
Wrong again
Not supportive
Also not supportive
Wrong once again
Self deleting

#120 HeatherRadish

That was his response and I guess the salon piece was based on the fact that there was an outrage over the left blogs calling for Cheney to be killed. It apparently was like a 'tit for tat' kinda thing.

Apparently there were 3 comments screen captured. But the comments that asked for cleanups were not shown at salon.

#119 tommylotto

Well, John Paul Jones did raid Whitehaven, England & St. Mary's Isle, Scotland in order to kipnap The Earl of Selkirk as ransom for captured American sailors. Since the Earl wasn't at home, he stole a silver serving dish with the Earl's coat of arms, which was later returned. That's just as bad as 9/11.
/

new thread

#131 Mr. Incredible

Now that's funny.

And how many Tory heads did George Washington remove from the living? The man was just dastardly!

KSM was obviously fishing for a tenured position at Yale or Columbia. (And this KOS jackass would be the first to give it to him.)

#97 calculatorjockey

Killing is killing

I thought about that stupid-ass statement also...these are the same people who fight for the rights of a child murderer on Death Row.

The Death of a child and the Death of her Murderer have the same meaning to these sicko's.

please tell me you are not serious, this is the worst written, piece of s***, I have ever seen on here! Writing this crap will really turn people off the Kos.

Hee Hee!

Im willing to bet money that he wasnt doing all this moral relativisim and soul searching from a historical perspective whe he was slicing Danny Pearls head off and planning bombings. Besides incase you didnt know KSM, that one of the perks of winning wars, the winners get to write the history books :)

I do give credit for the Kos commenters who are excoriating this idiot. Although I also wonder if Kos isn't editing or deleting comments furiously.

#117 Cattt

To be fair, this Kos diary attracted little attention, and three different people posted "are you nuts" replies to it. If it does draw attention there, it most likely will be rated troll, and you'll see recipes popping up on the thread.

My feeling, too. This smells like something that was posted just to get a reaction from the Kosnuts, as well as the Lizard community. Even the most devout Leftist with his thimble full of brains knows that KSM is the bad guy.

He just wants us to admit that there are victims on both sides - that, to some suffering communities who have been on the wrong end of American bombs, Americans are the inhuman ‘enemy combatants.’

He is correct that there are victims on both sides with one major proviso. The American, Israelis, and British forces go out of their way to avoid civilian casualties; to the point that soldiers lives are put at risk in so doing. The Muslims make no such distinction. Indeed, they seem to seek civilian casualties and revel in the fact that the casualties occured.

called it at #74

He is likewise preoccupied by making the point that Islam is not a bloodthirsty religion. ...there are exceptions to injunctions against violence found in the Qur’an. It is our “bad luck,” he says, to be included in that exception. ...
Killing is killing, and we need to stop defining our actions as noble and holy and the terrorists’ as evil and inhuman. KSM seems as saddened by the seeming inevitability of war as any pacifist.

Contradictory statements. No surprise.

To clarify here, murder (narrowly defined) is a deliberate unlawful killing.

Bombing a house full of civilians because Saddam Hussein is hiding among them isn't murder; collateral damage is a recognized, legal, (and unfortunately sometimes necessary) aspect of warfare, in this case, openly declared war.

But bombing a house full of civilians to send a message to Hussein that his regime is wrong, would most certainly be murder under any Western standard, and this would apply identically to 9-11. Its murder. . .period.

To equate the first thing to the second thing, which is what KSM did, is just propagandistic. Even KSM knows that targeting civilians is murder, and his grandstanding is deliberately aimed at stupid moral equivocators like the KOS doofus who authored the above post. Way to go chump, you've been suckered by a terrorist.

Even if the USA *did* engage in a policy of deliberately murdering civilians (which it did not) that still wouldn't justify 9-11. If you rape my sister, I don't get to rape your sister.

Now to muddy the waters, to Islamists, chopping the heads off of Jewish journalists, for example, may not count as "murder" if said decapitation is legal under Islamic law. (It probably isn't, but that's a whole other story). That doesn't make it "right", obviously, which is one of the big problems here.

Conversely, it could be argued that since Islamic law specifies a different and lesser penalty for the killing of non-Muslims (vs Muslims), there may literally is no such thing as "murder" of non-Muslims by Muslims.

Disgusting. . .yes.

#113 newsjunkie

Of course, the Left wants to destroy this blog. They also want us to attend rehab camp.

The Left never endorsed free speech...

...except for NAZI's. It's OK for NAZI's to march in the streets of Skokie or wherever the hell they want to march.
Hell, the Left will send a platoon of ACLU lawyers to defend NAZI's.

But not Republicans. And definitely not any American who wants to criticize or question Islam.

If Britain had beaten out the colonies in the Revolutionary War, he insinuates, George Washington would not be a hero, but an ‘enemy combatant:’ a terrorist...

The interesting story for Kos and his 'diarists' should be that their rhetoric is being used identically by our enemies.

Any truthers retract yet?

Gandi's Way Isn't the American Way
Collective suicide is no foreign policy.
By Fred Thompson

I feel bad for Nancy Pelosi, AND her neighbors. Anti-war activists from the group Code Pink have been giving her the same treatment the president gets at his Crawford, Texas, ranch. Camping on her San Francisco lawn, they’re demanding she cut off funds to the troops in Iraq.

Besides coolers and mattresses, protesters have brought along a giant paper mache statue of Mahatma Gandhi, who is pretty much the symbol of the anti-war movement. Code Pink was founded on his birthday, and when Saddam Hussein was being given a last chance to open Iraq to U.N. weapons inspectors, posters appeared around America asking “What would Gandhi do?”

And that’s a pretty good question. At what point is it okay to fight dictators like Saddam or the al Qaeda terrorists who want to take his place?

It turns out that the answer, according to Gandhi, is NEVER. During World War II, Gandhi penned an open letter to the British people, urging them to surrender to the Nazis. Later, when the extent of the holocaust was known, he criticized Jews who had tried to escape or fight for their lives as they did in Warsaw and Treblinka. “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife,” he said. “They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.” “Collective suicide,” he told his biographer, “would have been heroism.”

The so-called peace movement certainly has the right to make Gandhi’s way their way, but their efforts to make collective suicide American foreign policy just won’t cut it in this country. When American’s think of heroism, we think of the young American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, risking their lives to prevent another Adolph Hitler or Saddam Hussein.

Gandhi probably wouldn't approve, but I can live with that.

See also
The Chianti and Brie Liberals

George Washington vas better-looking zen KSM... he vas a better dancer zen KSM...

--paraphrasing from The Producers

KSM sounds an awful lot like Ward Churchill. Anybody seen Ward lately?

# 133 Sharmuta

Thanks, I sent the comment #s to him.

Of course he didn't read the thread. He relied on what salon wrote. Lefties don't do their own research, they just blindly read the leftblogs and salute.

#125, Carolina Girl,

Salon.com should be ashamed of itself. (It won't be - but it should.)

That's what Salon gets for publishing the dishonest ravings of Glen Greenwald.

If Britain had beaten out the colonies in the Revolutionary War, he insinuates, George Washington would not be a hero, but an ‘enemy combatant:’ a terrorist...

I would love to kick the individual who wrote this diary down a flight of stairs.

George Washington was a professional soldier and as such had a rank, wore a uniform, and abided by the established 18th century rules of warfare (namely not slaughtering civilians).

#151 J.D. 3/15/2007 12:18PM PDT

An articulate post! (That was compliment by the way)

Now we are calling killing terrorism, he says, whereas centuries earlier we called it “manifest destiny” as America wiped out Indian populations. A shrewd point. ...

This one is wrong on so many counts, I'm not even sure where to start. First, it isn't a shrewd point. It is a non sequitor. Combating terrorism has nothing to do with the western expansion in the US, unless he wants to consider the Muslims as being the expansionist movement. And then it would still not be a comparable situation. The civilization with the most effecient life style will, in the end, presevere. The land used to support a tribe of native Americans would support thousands of settlers. This can not be said of the Terrorists. Effecient life style? A seventh century frame of mind and lifestyle?

I don't want to get into the whole native American arguement as it is futile. It happened and it can't be changed. But the analogy used by KSM doesn't work. Whether he plays the terrorists as the settlers or as the native Americans, It just doesn't apply.

#126 MoonbatBane 3/15/2007 12:06PM PDT

BTW, when I say "So, he didn't actually read all the comments, he's illiterate (I'd say my calling for KSM to be offed for plotting to kill Clinton would count as condemnation), or he's a ###ing liar. Or all three." I'm referring to the original source at salon, not the person who sent you the e-mail (unless they are one in the same).

154 newsjunkie_ky

Thanks, I sent the comment #s to him.

Of course he didn't read the thread. He relied on what salon wrote. Lefties don't do their own research, they just blindly read the leftblogs and salute.

Tell him he owes me money for the research. No- I'm not kidding.

#160 Sharmuta

Tell him he owes me money for the research. No- I'm not kidding.

/chuckle/ send him a cyber bill! Really.

Re: salon

Here's a "letter" (comment) I just posted there:

You state that:

Not a single LGF commenter in that discussion condemned this support for Al Qaeda's assassination plot, nor has a single right-wing blogger (that I'm aware of) said a single word about any of it.

Well, you're lack of awareness is willful at best, and an outright lie at worst. Here's a link to a post that links to several comments on LGF condemning the assasination plot:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But hey, since when are facts relevant to you on the left? So nevermind...

-- MoonbatBane

#158 Outrider

I don't want to get into the whole native American arguement as it is futile. It happened and it can't be changed.

I always find it hard to answer this argument, frankly. I think yours may be the best answer there is.

#151 J.D.

Sweet mohammed on a shingle! That clinches it - Fred Thompson should be President!

82 realwest

That is true.

But suicide is self-murder.

All bad.

151 J. D.

Ghandi's approach worked against the English, who were honorable. It cartainly wouldn't work against AQ.

Ghandi was paying the English a compliment all the time.

Had he confronted AQ early in is life, he would have sung a different tune IMHO.

This is OT, but I'm furious so I hope you'll indulge me. This is Howard Dean right now at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3142.htm l

"I am trying to build relationships with other governments in preparation for a Democratic takeover," Dean told me. "I want to make clear that there is an opposition in America and that we are ready to take power and that when we do, we are going to have much better relationships with them."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it (to say the least) questionable for a US politician to be interacting directly with foreign governments against the interests of the US government? There's a word for it somewhere. Er.. Traipsing? Teasing? What was it?

#151 J.D.

I so hope this man really does run for President. I would love to cast a ballot for him.

Charles, master stroke there. Priceless.

#59 Sharmuta

First of all, the Americans established a government and formally declared Independence, thereby granting them the authority to declare war against the occupying Brits.

King George III declared the English colonies in rebellion a full year before the Declaration of Independence. Though there had been some rebellious acts due to various tax laws imposed on the colonies, the revolution was forced on the English subjects who became Americans. The Declaration of Independence wasn't passed until major combat in Massachusetts and New York. If acts of Parliament weren't viewed as absolutely valid there's a good chance the Revolution would have been avoided. But the Brits at the time were absolutely seething about the colonists rejection of certain taxes.

That's why I always celebrate King George III on Independence Day. He declared our independence a year before we did.

KSM has that rare condition-total body pubic hair.

Are we ready for the resurrection of SDS?

News from Reed college, Portland, OR.

#157 PigletU93

Fred Thompson thanks you.

[P.S. I think I love him.]

#167 Carolina Girl
He's looking better every day!

“I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew Daniel Pearl,” Mohammed said

Um... no, this is just his way of decrying the futility of violence. In his own way, KSM is really the linear philosophical descendant of Martin Luther King, Jr. Please pass the bong, someone.

#163 Squarepeg

I always find it hard to answer this argument, frankly. I think yours may be the best answer there is.

Man, unfortunately looks at history through 20th/21st century eyes. But the history of man is one of expansionist movements. As one group got larger they had to expand. As a group got pushed out, for example the Navajoes, they moved and pushed others out (Hopi and Zuni among others). As I said, it is history and we should read it, study it, and learn from it. We can not change it.

#170 Peacekeeper

KSM has that rare condition-total body pubic hair.

Easy now. Not every man walks around with a girlyman hairless body. Not every man wants to be hairless in the metrosexual manner.

Methinks that the lefties have to embrace KSM while downplaying the confession for two reasons; they can say that the confession was forced, and is therefore worthless, while saying that KSM's grievances are justified. The confession is therefore, fake but accurate, because America is Evil. Gitmo! Halliburton! Surge! My Pet Goat!1!one!

I mean, who are we to judge? 'Cos, check it out, yo... killing is killing.

I can't wait for 2008 spring break!
Sheer brilliance over there at the House o' Kos.
brilliance, i tell you. They need to endorse a candidate who can simultaneously love & loathe the USA, defund & support the troops, raise taxes and increase spending...oh wait...

HERBERT SPENCER:

Defensive warfare (and of course it is solely to this that the foregoing argument applies) must therefore be tolerated as the least of two evils. There are indeed some who unconditionally condemn it, and would meet invasion by non-resistance. To such there are several replies.

First, consistency requires them to behave in like fashion to their fellow-citizens. They must not only allow themselves to be cheated, assaulted, robbed, wounded, without offering active op-position, but must refuse help from the civil power; seeing that they who employ force by proxy are as much responsible for it as though they employed it themselves.

Again, such a theory makes pacific relationships between men and nations look needlessly Utopian. If all agree not to aggress, they must as certainly be at peace with each other as though they had all agreed not to resist. So that, while it sets up so difficult a standard of behavior, the rule of non-resistance is not one whit more efficient as a preventive of war, than the rule of non-aggression ...

Lastly, it can be shown that non-resistance is also absolutely wrong. We may not carelessly abandon our rights. We may not give away our birthright for the sake of peace. If it be a duty to respect other men's claims, so also is it a duty to maintain our own.

(FYI - Can't find a link to substantiate, but, I read Spencer while at university, and I remember it written as "pacifism" not "non-resistance"...I only did a quick search to found the above, and this is close to what I read in school.)

Kos - Blaming America first, last and always. But hey, don't ever question their patriotism.

These people remind me of my stepbrother. He has a Chumbawamba t-shirt that says "War is terrorism with a bigger budget."

He emailed me that stupid google trick where you search on something like "miserable failure" and George Bush is the first hit. I emailed him the snopes link about google bombing, and his reply was that if so many people made that search result possible, it must be true.

He's been living in Deutschlandistan too long.

Harry Truman, Jack Kennedy and Zell Miller are revolted.

Um, just a note, but those of you who have read the comments know that the Kos kids are claiming that this is a "false flag" comment by a LGF supporter.

Considering that the comments to the post are universally negative, I would believe that it's possible.

Anyone know anything about this?

From the comments to that post it looks like the Kos Kidz think Charles planeted the diary. That true Charles?

Only an uber-lib would call a koran a "Qur’an".

Cops and criminals -- just two parties with guns, there is no difference, no good guys/bad guys.

This Kossak is another victim of child abuse -- a product of failed rearing.

Killing is killing...

For people who pride themselves on nuanced, "shades of gray" thinking, that sort of sentiment seems pretty simplistic and black and white to me.

Killing someone who is about to, say, kill a child, is not the same as killing an innocent person.

So by Kos's logic if a car bomb goes off next to one of their meetings I shouldnt get upset ?

Because they agree that they deserve terrorism.

To the "hate America always" left, "eloquence" is a far more important virtue than morality.

They hate Bush's lack of oratory skill, but they'll praise a mass murderer who sounds good.

At least they've got their priorities straight

#185 William

Only an uber-lib would call a koran a "Qur’an".

How so? Calling something by it's proper name is incorrect? Or do some conservatives have an equivelant to PC language?

No. Referring to an item or an act honestly and properly is never incorrect.

I am kind of surprised he KSM or the Kos Kids didn't trot out the old saw, "One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I mean, they used other bogus cliches.

Is anyone reading the post and comments at Kos?

Seriously, read it before you make a comment. Otherwise you're just piling on.

#184 pnome
nope, I'm the one who found it and I didn't write it either.
This stuff is comment amongst the moonbats, I seriously doubt this was written by a right wing infiltrator.

#183 Berkeley Non-Conformist
At least they have the good sense to be embarassed when this crap is exposed.

I don't think we've even captured KSM. That photo making the rounds is obviously a picture of 70s p0rn star Ron Jeremy on a bad hair day.

/must I?

#188 TMF

They hate Bush's lack of oratory skill, but they'll praise a mass murderer who sounds good.

I wonder about that myself sometimes. They stress President Bushs' percieved lack of oratory skills while constantly pointing out the elequence of speakers like KSM and Arafat, et al. Form over substance?

(Killgore Trout)

Yeah, I have the same opinion , especially as the writing style isn't all that far from "Free Mumia" and "Free Tookie" style dialogues. The question is: WHY would they claim it's a false flag? They've already said anything up to, and including such comments ("We deserve it!" "The right causes genocide!" Etc etc etc), so why balk here?

#143, #144 et al.

I suspect Kos didn't even notice this diary. I didn't, until it was pointed out here.

Nobody hit the recommend button, three or four regulars showed up to jeer, it was tagged "troll diary" and the "tip jar" was troll-rated to hell and gone.

I leave you all with "TrueBlueMajority"'s response, not that you'll read it but what the hey:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Typical KOS response. "Eloquence" trumps the truth.

He is saddened by the deaths of the 3000 civilians in Sept. 11, especially the lives of children, but points out that America too, when pursuing a target, will knowingly bomb houses with children and innocents inside.

He can't make that comparison. The WTC was not a military target. It had no military significance.

Can I now decapitate him with my blessed Sawsall...

If I didn't have to run, I'd probably rant here (Hm- probably a good thing I can't stay...) but I have to say:
WTF?

The layers of dried saliva on the windows of the KOS short bus have finally reached the point where the outside world is beyond blurry.

#196 Berkeley Non-Conformist
because they feel safe saying the things amongst themselves but are embarassed when it becomes public. Just like the Koskid who wrote the famous "Imagine a world without Israel", the koskidz didn't complain until it became a thread at LGF.

#197 Sura 109

Nobody hit the recommend button, three or four regulars showed up to jeer, it was tagged "troll diary" and the "tip jar" was troll-rated to hell and gone.

They only complained once we noticed it. When I linked to it there was only one komment asking for the full text of the speech.

If Britain had beaten out the colonies in the Revolutionary War, he insinuates, George Washington would not be a hero, but an ‘enemy combatant:’ a terrorist...

Tired meme, real modern Leftist straw-grasping, and not true. Too many counter-examples to list.

He is saddened by the deaths of the 3000 civilians in Sept. 11, especially the lives of children, but points out that America too, when pursuing a target, will knowingly bomb houses with children and innocents inside. ...

False. Our ROE bend over backwards to spare non-combatants and "sensitive" targets. Any idiot who watches even MSM Nooz Teevee knows this.

Now we are calling killing terrorism, he says, whereas centuries earlier we called it “manifest destiny” as America wiped out Indian populations. A shrewd point.

No, we're calling attempts to influence policy through deliberate murder of non-combatants by non-uniformed, non-judicially-accountible parties "terrorism". That's what terrorism is. Did the U.S. military use terror tactics against the natives two centuries ago? On occasion, yes, unfortunately. Does our military do that now? Absolutely not.

He is likewise preoccupied by making the point that Islam is not a bloodthirsty religion. ...there are exceptions to injunctions against violence found in the Qur’an. It is our “bad luck,” he says, to be included in that exception. ...

And there are lots and lots of exceptions in the Koran, Hadith, and Sunaa. The big exception is being an "infidel". Sorry, KSM doesn't get off on a technicality here.

This is the new liberal Messiah. I think everybody has figured out that Osama is just some moron with money who liked the idea of being the Islamic version of a rock star, namely, an international mass murder and it was other people who did the thinking. This guy actually knows how to use his main ally, the liberals, to his benefit and I bet we're just seeing the beginning of this new chapter as liberals rush to the defense and praise of the man who killed almost 3,000 people on 9-11.

Believe me, if the liberals took over, 9-11 would be declaired a national holiday of celebration.

The Kos kooks are upholding American the left's long tradition of providing America's enemies with aid and comfort and by doing so reconfirm its long history of treasonous stands against the safety and security of all Americans.
From 1880 until 1921 the American left was married to the discredited vicious bomb tossing anarcho-syndicalists but ditched that declining cause after the Palmer Raids to lend its loyalty,devotion, and obedience to the Bolshevik Brigands who had usurped the Russian Revolution of 1917 and established the most evil totalitarian regime in the history of mankind and continued to do so for the next 74 years.
With the Bolsheviks gone in Russia the American left has tied their political and ideological wagon to the islamofascist's shock troops the jihaddis labeling them as they did the Bolsheviks and their clones around the world freedom fighters.
They excuse the islamofascist mass murderer Mohammad and his fellow traveler henchmen with the same fervor and aplomb they used to support and defend Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pot, Gottleib, Honecker, Mengitsu, and dozens of other killer tyrants.
Despite the historical proof of the left's betrayal of our country, its Constitution, and our freedoms American and western left and their lamestream media mouthpieces have the chutzpah to tell us we dare not question their patriotism despite their current support of those who kill us and continue to shout their intentions to keep doing so.
Conservatives need to vocally remind the public of the left's baggage of more than a hundred year record of treason and complicity with the bloodiest perfidies in the history of the modern world.

The paranoia is rampant on Kos isn't it? Has the thought ever occured to them there are others in this universe that do not agree with their philosophy that just may not be LGFers? Pretty sad little world they live in.

Trolls are trolls. They pop in on any site and say anything to stir people up. On a gardening chat site, we would always get the trolls that pop in telling us about pooping in the garden and asking how to grow cannabis.

The fact that Kos launches against LGF is pretty telling in and of itself. Feeling threatened I would assume.

The wackos at dailykos are going BALLISTIC claiming this diary article was made by a troll from this site!

Who submitted this article?

Anyway, it is funny to see them get all crazy. I'd look for potential lawsuit material in their comments as they make their hateful accusations.

#197 Sura109

I leave you all with "TrueBlueMajority"'s response, not that you'll read it but what the hey:

Ok I read it. I reiterate my original remarks in post #206

The paranoia is rampant on Kos isn't it? Has the thought ever occured to them there are others in this universe that do not agree with their philosophy that just may not be LGFers? Pretty sad little world they live in.

Trolls are trolls. They pop in on any site and say anything to stir people up. On a gardening chat site, we would always get the trolls that pop in telling us about pooping in the garden and asking how to grow cannabis.

The fact that Kos launches against LGF is pretty telling in and of itself. Feeling threatened I would assume.

not that you'll read it but what the hey

#205 wanderer

Excellent post.

41 kulthur

This guy is begging for a lobotomy.

I think he's a little late for that.

But the only thing that bothers me about the KSM confession sheet is that he seems like a Really busy guy, don't you think? I mean, this guy seems to've masterminded virtually every terrorist plot I've heard of, all of which occurred or were intended to occur within a few years...

Not doubting the validity of the information, the method of extraction or the gov't agents involved, but doesn't the list seem just a little comprehensive? On my first read it sort of sounded like it bolstered the anti-war claim I to which I generally and strenuously object, namely that this is a law enforcement problem. Aside from the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, which badly needs a large dose of plausibly-deniable biological warfare, someone please point out the error in this very pro-WoT guy's vague suspicions.

You're right to be suspicious. This laundry list of terror leaves us with two possibilities:

1. He really was the single most important operational mastermind of AQ, and AQ's much-studied USMC-style delegation of responsiblity to relatively low levels didn't apply to senior leadership. All those guilt-ridden college-educated punks running cells in the western world were not, in fact, operating so independently; KSM is a lynchpin, and his capture is one of the main reasons why there haven't been many major, regular attacks against high-profile targets since his capture.

2. He's full of shit. He's telling us he's the Grand Wizard of Ku Klux Queda in order to keep us from asking too many questions about what's really going on inside AQ. It's a big smokescreen.

I've read that many mid-level officers in staff colleges and think tanks seem to "get it". AQ is certainly being studied by many, many intelligent, sharp, capbable people. I'm hoping that whatever's going on here, we have our brightest, most flexible minds picking it apart and pressing our advantages to the maximum.

Now if the people at the top could just pull their heads out of their asses...

They are blaming LGF for it.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Koskidz retort...
LGF false flag op on dKos

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t seems that two trolls from LGF have a false flag diary up here, that is currently being called out on their sorry-ass excuse for a blog.
Charles, you're gonna make me flex my talons again.
Here's your favorite picture, asswipe:

Sura 9

I leave you all with "TrueBlueMajority"'s response, not that you'll read it but what the hey

To be fair, if you had read all the comments you would have seen that the vast majority of the posts were addressing the diarist not the site and that quite a few commenterrs had made your point previously.

Anyway

210 P of the O

Seems like option 2 to me.

Anyway they lie as a matter of course.

Which is why, IMHO, we have to get rid of islam as it is presently constituted, more than to just get rid of AQ.

Otherwise the 'religion' will just generate scads of false targets for every high value operative, and we will be forever stretched too thin.

Our own Sura 109 komments....

Killgore Trout admits to trolling dKos (5+ / 0-)

He's often said over there that he's just posted such and such a comment over here. I don't call his sockpuppets out over here, as I consider it unsporting and I trust y'all can spot the trolls without my help anyway.

KT often reads through dKos diaries and sends some cherry-picked URLs to the Head Lizardoid. (Hi, Killgore. Here's a suggestion that might save you some time: just click on the troll diary tag. Most of your little gems end up on that list anyway.)

Heh.
/Got yer goat

#204 docremulac
I must respectfully disagree. If OLB were captured the leftards would find he's their kindred. Larry King, Charlie Rose and Olberdouche would love to have a sitdown with OBL. I believe OBL not being front and center is the main reason bonkies are smitten with KSM. Gotta have a role model, ya know.

Serious one-on-one crap is abouit to start concerning the Kos diary.

Kos calls out the lizards on this diary

LGF false flag op on dKos
by kestrel9000
Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 01:06:49 PM PDT
It seems that two trolls from LGF have a false flag diary up here, that is currently being called out on their sorry-ass excuse for a blog.
Charles, you're gonna make me flex my talons again.
Here's your favorite picture, asswipe:

Charles...any way to confirm what is being said ?

204 docremulac

This is the new liberal Messiah.

I was just thinking about this. Here are your Top Ten Reasons why he resonates with the self-loating left:

1. He's Brown. Automatic +100 HuffDUKosian Street Cred.
2. He's Anti-American. More Street Cred.
3. He got busted by jack-booted thugs for "standing up to The Man", man!
4. He's in Gitmo, which automagically makes him some kind of martyr.
5. He's "eloquent" (meaning, he can write more than three sentences in a row without using Koran verses).
6. He's published.
7. He's photogenic (compared to Osama).
8. He's a full-time Revolutionary with a long history of Standing Up To The Man (multiple attacks, spanning years).
9. He knows how to play word-games without getting angry. He's an intellectual, man!
10. The only person he admits killing with is own hands was a Jew, which, as we know, is excusable... Because, like, Israel is the root of the problem, man. Jews are fair game.

I think everybody has figured out that Osama is just some moron with money who liked the idea of being the Islamic version of a rock star, namely, an international mass murder and it was other people who did the thinking.

He has a Mohammed Complex the size of Everest.

Of course, the very idea of a "Mohammed Complex" is heretical against Islam on so many levels, not the least of which is that psychology is Haram, but deep down inside, you know Osama thinks he's another Mohammed.

#211 Semi
I sent your link to Charles. Damn nice find, especialy for a 1st comment. welcome.

Village Idiot's Apprentice

LGF false flag op on dKos
by kestrel9000
Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 01:06:49 PM PDT
It seems that two trolls from LGF have a false flag diary up here, that is currently being called out on their sorry-ass excuse for a blog.
Charles, you're gonna make me flex my talons again.
Here's your favorite picture, asswipe:

AHAHAHAAHAHA! ITS THE TALONS GUY AGAIN!1 ROFLETASTIC

"False flag op" - Yeah, that total fucking moron who wrote that diary sucking terrorist cock? Couldn't be one of us America-hating, self-loathing, Marxist-speak-spewing Leftists! Nooo! Must be some kind of conspiracy.

ROVE!

How so? Calling something by it's proper name is incorrect? Or do some conservatives have an equivelant to PC language?

So do you say "Germany" or "Deutschland"?

Nothing gets the southpaws all dewy in their Fruit of the Looms like an America-hating Jew-butcher, is there? Here's to hoping KSM's necktie party is televised.

#217 Village Idiot's Apprentice

Charles...any way to confirm what is being said ?

It's easy, this definitely not an LGF plant. I found it and I didn't write it. If it was written by a right wing infiltator it's someone who understands the LLL very well. It's pretty damn convincing. They're also claiming that the death wishes for Cheney were planted by rightwing infiltators, which is also complete bullshit.
I read Dkos all the time. There's no need to make shit up, I can easily find enough embarassing and stupid diaries from what's already there.

I clicked the link.

Sorry. I can't seem to find that story.

Tags: LGF false flag, troll diary, Little Green Footballs (all tags)

KSM does have a point about history being written by the winners. That is why we must endeavor to BE THE WINNERS,
especially against such a retrograde crew as his irredentist fundamental muslims.

-S-

Ruh roh. I think they're on to us.

/dripping with sarc

#221 William

So do you say "Germany" or "Deutschland"?

When in Germany, I say Deutschland. Here, I say Germany. So what?

By the way, everybody here got a real kick out of the notion that anyone would ever consider me an uberlib or any other kind of liberal. lol

The diary in question has been deleted.

So dKos is an Evil Place because that diary appeared, and now it's an Evil Place because it's disappeared. Ain't that right, guys?

Oh, and for #220: My understanding is that "kestrel9000" isn't a "guy".

#226 Charles
What's really funny is that I almost did a link dump of about a half dozen stupid Sheikh Mohammed diaries but decided to just pick out the juiciest one for the sake of brevity.

#223 K T

It's easy, this definitely not an LGF plant. I found it and I didn't write it. If it was written by a right wing infiltator it's someone who understands the LLL very well. It's pretty damn convincing

I also doubt that it's a "plant".

But, while I don't post as often as I once did, I take accusations like this seriously.

That's why I was wondering if Charles has the technical gee-wizz tricks to be able to put the accusations to rest.

I have preserved the current diary text and comments in the event they delete it once they are exposed.

Actually, they deleted the diary text and comments.

VIA: I'm not sure exactly what accusation I'm supposed to think is worth answering...

The idiot emailed me; apparently birdbrain thinks I had something to do with posting that diary. As if.

So, anyone wanna fess up?

#233 ChenZhen
read the thread.

#205 Wanderer

That may be true of today's Left leadership, and even for the tattood youth on the Left. But I think the middle-class liberals aren't even aware of socialist/communist history. Perhaps it's fear and ignorance that drives them to lean Left.

#233 ChenZhen

So, anyone wanna fess up?

Alright.

I'm Spartacus.

Sura 109

So dKos is an Evil Place because that diary appeared, and now it's an Evil Place because it's disappeared. Ain't that right, guys?

No.

Evil isn't the right word for the overall spiritual status of Kos. I'd pick words like Perplexing, Frustrating, or Depressing.

Oh, and for #220: My understanding is that "kestrel9000" isn't a "guy".

Pretty sure it's a "he". I can't recall why we know about this person, though; I just remember that s/he posted something ridiculous over there once. I want to say it was some kind of threat against Charles or LGF, and there was discussion of "talon flexing" that made the author sound like a lonely refugee from the Furry community.

KOS ragers are just unhinged in every way.

I like that word, unhinged.

233 ChenZhen

So, anyone wanna fess up?

One time, when I was little, I couldn't hold it, and I peed on my rug instead of going to the bathroom.

I did not piss on Kos' rug, man. Neither am I a nihilist.

228 Sura 109

It goes without saying if you really read the type of diaries they have there. Some of them are sick and twisted.

Unhinged...completely and utterly unhinged.

If it's a woman, too bad...I was hoping that someone like that couldn't have babies.

It's a Koskidalanche

ChenZen - Sura109, thank them for the extra traffic to LGF.

#234 Killgore Trout 3/15/2007 02:23PM PDT

read the thread.

Actually, I was kinda busy reading this thread. Very interesting:

Killgore Trout 7/13/2006 01:22PM PDT

**[Re:]#89 Lynn B.: Be forewarned some of the comments are from moby’s as well. I know bvecause I wrote some of them yesterday.

What ever happened with that, anyway?

And these geniuses want to be the leaders of America

Dude, they ARE the leaders of America.

The Dems won- remember?

Nancy Pelosi calls the shots. And Murtha. And Conyers. And Rangel.

/shivers

Charles v Kos -- smackdown! lol

I hate it when daddy fights, but at least he's fighting the bad guys

I think the left is embarassed over the KSM comments. It's going to set them back big time. The Huff-gang is also on a rant. And all I can say is: Charles, atta-boy! That's why I really enjoy Lizardville.

When in Germany, I say Deutschland. Here, I say Germany. So what?

So, generally, only an uber-lib would resort to talking "native."  I speak American -- I'll leave the "Neeejer" and "Qur’an" to the David Gregory's of the world.

#239 Pawn of the Oppressor

too bad, that thing really tied the room together, Dude.

Moral equivalency at its most sickening

By the way, when did the settlers "wipe out Indian populations"?

To the best of my knowledge, most of the Indians were lost to disease, assimilation, and inter tribal warfare. Sure there were bloody massacres and wars with the colonists, but there was no systematic slaughtering of civilians on a mass scale.

Another leftist canard that pops like the turd bubble that it is

243 TMF

Who would have ever thought that they would radicalize so fast. When the dems tipped the congress in their favor (yes tipped..it's not like this was a landslide people!), I did not expect them to put in far leftists like pelosi and murtha. I probably should have seen it coming when they placed howard dean at the head of their party..like that made any sense..lol he fails primaries and they rehire him! And then they offered up john kerry...wtf. They couldn't do better than that? Dems in the past have insulated those whackos to the far left from really overpowering their party.

I can only hope this will motivate the conservatives or even the mild liberals out there to vote in republicans to balance this out or we'll end up uncivilized faster than I thought. I do have a few friends that I suspect lean to the left mildly but they are beginning to get very pissed off at the dean and pelosi and co. movement. In essence, I do think this stance they have taken will backfire. Reasonable people do not identify with howard dean, pelosi, murtha, etc.

#242 ChenZhen
I was banned from dkos not for posing as a koskid but for trying to engage them in debate serious debate. I only Kommented and wrote no diaries.
Minion Mischief

Killgore Trout 1/28/2006 11:11AM PST

#138 Iron Fist
I've been having fun trolling this morning over at Kos. I just post about the MSM being owned by the Military Industrial Complex, fascists rewriting the constitution, and neocons goosestepping down K Street and they eat it up over there. Big Fun.

It's amazing how many recommends you can get by posting gibberish.

You'll also notice on the thread you linked to I was arguing that the author of that diary was a right wing infiltrator until I remembered that it was written by a personal friend (ex friend now) of our own Quella. It was a real Koskid.

244 Golem Akbar 3/15/2007 02:36PM PDT

Charles v Kos -- smackdown! lol
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I think the left is embarassed over the KSM comments.

I also think that it's a good tactic on kos' part..put the blame on Charles and try to stifle him from looking through their many crazy diaries and pointing it out their unhingedness (is that a word? /snicker) to the world.

This tactic seems to work for dems, unfortunately for them, Charles doesn't have to worry about elections..and has a mind of his own.

Look, this is the sort of mindless piling on that gives LGF a bad rep. I've heard a bunch of hearsay over there and over here about who the poster was. Does anyone know? Apparently the person was not well integrated in the Kos community, does anyone know anything more about it?

I'd just say that we can't blame the "left as a whole," because they are human and react to violence in primarily the same we do. "We are all Americans" was the call of even the more terrible people around the world.

I agree that "Eloquence trumps morality" in general Leftish rants, but it's better to become eloquent than to attack them.

No one has ever been convinced by being belittled into submission, aside from those practicing clever passive-aggression.

From sura109 at DailyKos:

LGF refugee here (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Hannibal, Erevann, Scientician
One link, coming up. I keep wondering when the Head Lizardoid is going to kick me off his site.

Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.

by Sura 109 on Thu Mar 15, 2007 at 01:22:17 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

You don't have to get "kicked off" sura, you could leave of your own volition. Or, you could engage in intelligent presentation of your ideas and convictions in a manner that will be respected by those here who do not agree with you. But that isn't the way for those who support totalitarian socialism.(socialism is totalitarian by its nature.)

" Osama has killed his thousands, and Bush his tens of thousands.." How old are you, 13? 14? I interpret you many comments here at LGF to be the values of either a secular progressive socialist or a Islamist. Then again, the two belief systems cross paths and commingle until it's impossible to tell from which ideology one speaks.

But assuming you're a leftist, explain to me why you secular progressive pacifists are so gullible, naive, and ignorant of human nature (or simple game theory) that you allow yourselves to believe in the utopian fantasy that humanity will all "live as one" someday?

There exists in human nature the capacity for Mother Theresa as well as for the likes of Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer et al.

If you think the secular progressive nonsense spewed daily at Dailycus is the vanguard of a happy hugfest towards which you are leading humanity, then get a clue. So long as there are millions of people on the planet who are willing to fight to the death before succumbing to socialist collectivism or Islamic tyranny, you'll have a hell of a fight on your hands.

awe...isn't this sweet.

We have a few kos kids here that are enjoying the finger shaking at LGF...but for some reason...all I hear is the garbled teacher on Peanuts talk whenever I see them post here :P .

Ack, sorry, posting in the middle of a class.

I meant "After 9/11, 'we are all Americans' was the call of even some of the more terrible people around the world."

I don't understand the desire to simply "sound off" by repeating the same thing the post says. Explaining why "the left thinks that way" etc etc etc. Really, how much do you think this will convince them?

Apparently the waxing and back hair plucking torture on KSM worked.

The comments on "Kestrel"'s site seem to just devolve into a discussion of bongs they've known and loved. Kind of tells you all you need to know about these people, doesn't it?

Jeeze I leave you guys alone for one afternoon and you start drawing on the walls.
Markos-effin go take a pill. Charles wouldn't grace your filthy illiterate site if his life depended on it. (And it doesn't.) If he had been there we would have seen him obsessively washing his hands over and over to try to get them clean. (And we didn't.)
Now no more posting unless you take your meds. Sheesh.

[Link: digg.com...]

I replied to the accusation but haven't seen an answer.

I wonder, in the original thread where the post was deleted, just how many of the KOSlings challenged the arguments of the author, troll or not. I would suspect that if the tried the same thing here (pretending an extremist right view), they would be quickly eaten alive by the other lizards here.

UPDATE at 3/15/07 2:29:41 pm:

The diary has now been deleted, and the Kidz are working themselves up into a lather: Daily Kos: LGF false flag op on dKos.

“False flag op.” Heh. As if it’s unusual to find posts like that at Daily Kos.

And these geniuses want to be the leaders of America.

False flag op? Ohfercryinoutloud. Everything is diabolical plot to those twats. Small wonder that "9/11 Truther" topics are banned. As much as he tries to hide it, there's no escaping the loony-bin paranoid conspiracy site Markos has there.

#232 Charles (I can't do the green color...sorry)

VIA: I'm not sure exactly what accusation I'm supposed to think is worth answering...

After thinking about it...there more then likely isn't anything you can, or need to answer.

The general gist seemed to be that someone that posts here. intentionally posted that now disapeared diary in order to make Kos look bad.

Not knowing all the secret tricks that are available to you in the Lizard Lair, the only thing I could come up with was comparing ISP's of the diarist and someone who posts here.

Keep in mind that my basic understanding of computers, and the innernut consists of "It's a magic box that does neat stuff

Bless their hearts, they are all worked up about this one, aren't they?

Hard not to extrapolate ' bird brains' from those vewwy scawwwy pictures of raptors and hawks, and kestrels, Oh My...

#259,

False flag op? Ohfercryinoutloud

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They must have meant to say ' freak flag '...they're always flyin' it...

#260 Village Idiot's Apprentice

So how does posting something that is in line with the normal postings at KOS boil down to doing it to make KOS look bad.

Are you denying that such sentiments are easily found in the regular commenter posts or even KOS main articles?

I would really like to know, point by point, just what was in the supposed fake posting, is NOT in line with KOS political views.

Come on. If it is a false flag then FISK it line by line!

#260 VIA

The general gist seemed to be that someone that posts here. intentionally posted that now disapeared diary in order to make Kos look bad.

Not knowing all the secret tricks that are available to you in the Lizard Lair, the only thing I could come up with was comparing ISP's of the diarist and someone who posts here.

Markos would have to give Charles the diarist's IP address so Charles could match it against LGF's registered users. As if Markos would do that.

No, it was one of their own who spoke (wrote) a little too freely.

seems that two trolls from LGF have a false flag diary up here, that is currently being called out on their sorry-ass excuse for a blog.
Charles, you're gonna make me flex my talons again.

Considering the way the Kossaks peed their pants when all of us met up for dinner three years ago on Oakland, I don't think Zuniga has talons worth noticing. And if you make the accusation that WE planted the item - then prove it. If people here are planting items, we'll give 'em hell here for doing so.

Jealousy is such an ugly thing...

#263 bcismar

Come on. If it is a false flag then FISK it line by line!

Oh come on! Do want them to strain their fragile little psyches? That's cruel.

#263 bcismar

#260 Village Idiot's Apprentice

So how does posting something that is in line with the normal postings at KOS boil down to doing it to make KOS look bad.

Are you denying that such sentiments are easily found in the regular commenter posts or even KOS main articles?

I would really like to know, point by point, just what was in the supposed fake posting, is NOT in line with KOS political views.

Come on. If it is a false flag then FISK it line by line!

Huh?

It falls perfectly in line with the thinking that is exhibited at that online Daycare center.

I was only addressing the accusation that it was specifically posted by a LGF'er.

#264 Spiny Norman

Markos would have to give Charles the diarist's IP address so Charles could match it against LGF's registered users. As if Markos would do that.

I sorta figured it would come down to sumpin' like that.

#235

Those so called middle class liberals in my view are one of two types. They are either leftist wolves disquising thmselves in sheeps clothing of "liberalism" or they are the brainwashed products of wackodemia, the lamestream media's unceasing barrages of leftist propaganda, or they are the heirs of legacy New Deal big government knee-jerk democrats who simply mouth the party line.

After reading the opinons of the KKKos' I need a bong hit to help me forget all the hatred. BRB

AAAaahhh! That's better! Now, what were discussing here?

Like we need more proof...
Al Qaeda to Democrats: We Won When You Won

What I find remarkable is al-Zawahari’s insight into American politics. He understands the last election was about George Bush’s war. He understands that we are Americans first and that party affiliation is, where foreign policy is concerned, less relevant. He warns all Americans that we share the responsibility as a country for allowing George Bush to occupy Iraq, and ignore the plight of the Palestinians. The warnings are strong, and the analysis is quite accurate.

This crap is a dime a dozen at dkos.

#249 Killgore

hhmmm...not bad!

/respectful nod

How ironic; the very people Carter wants to save cannot wait to kill him!

#273 ChenZhen
I woould gladly post at dkos under my own name but it's not allowed, it's a progressives only site and they make no secret about it. It's in the FAQ. There are plenty of koskidz who post here openly but dkos doesn't reciprocate.