"4,000 a-holes in Blackburn, Lancashire..."

Welcome to Eurabia.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Lancashire?

Interesting.

What was I saying about the closing comments of Simon Schama's A History of Britain? The installment titled Empire of Good Intentions?

That if Britons want to maintain their concept of liberal democracy, they're going to have to fight for it. Not only in places like Calcutta and Delhi, but Lancashire.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There are no coincidences. Ambassador Sinclair, Babylon 5]

UK today

USA tomorrow

Although the holes were rather small
They had to count them all

I'd like to know how much of these people are on state assistance programs.

I could watch the video, but had no sound. But that was telling enough.

It reminds me, I'm going to start a religion where we wear pancakes on our heads. If someone looks at me funny, I'm going to say that individual is a pancakeophobe and racist. It is my religious belief and don't you criticize me for it.

I'll probably implement some of David Koresh's "god says your wife wants to be with me tonight" stuff in my religion as well!

actually, that is the USA today...only the signs are in Spanish

Jack Straw pathetic. "We've done a good job in Blackburn. We've avoided riots."

The Booby at the top is a bit foolish, because when they do translate their banners to English it usually comes up with something about death to the infidels.

I think there are very few non-muslims who would feel safe with that parade going by their house. Can't the Ummah figure out how to have a happy parade with floats and candy instead of angry chants ijn Arabic?

Vive La France!

Vive le president de la republique!

I respect all cultures throughout the world, but so that it is quite clear: if I am elected President of the Republic, I will not accept women being treated as inferior to men. The French Republic holds these values: respect for women, equality between men and women. Nobody has the right to hold a prisoner, even within his own family. I say it clearly, that polygamy is prohibited in the territory of the French Republic. I will fight against female genital mutilation and those who do not wish to understand that the values of the French Republic include freedom for women, the dignity of women, respect for women -- they do not have any reason to be in France. If our laws are not respected and if one does not wish to understand our values, if one does not wish to learn French, then one does not have any reason to be on French territory.

--- Sarkozy

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Having Watched and Listened...

...to the segment...

...I'm interested to hear a translation as to what all those men in the parade were shouting.

It didn't sound to ME as if they were celebrating the birth of their 'salvation'. That would be sort of a joyful sound.

These guys sounded rather 'angry' and 'threatening'.

Where's MEMRI?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[What they are telling could be important. What they are NOT telling you could be vital. -- cbpelto]

Did you hear the Police Officer complaining that "we try year after year to get the organizers to at least put Engish banners up, so that those who can't read it or can't understand it will know what it is straightaway".

Understanding is not the issue. Not if by "understanding", you mean comprehension. I comprehend the message of a triumphant mass of people shouting and waving flags not my own, while they march right down Main Street in my town.

France is beginning to remember.

How stupid is that property women near the end?.

Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

4 Bedrooms one for each wife.

Brilliant social engineering housing project, Muslim decor in the model homes to "bridge the cultures."

= Muslims sitting on their side of the bridge while the Anglican Brits crawl across to them chanting Allahua akbar

OT,

Interesting guest list for WH state dinner.

David Gregory?

Robin Roberts?

Loved the woman-on-the-street (hiding in her doorway) interview, though. She is a pathetic figure, but she's not afraid to speak her mind!
"Roobish. It's roobish. It's frickin' roobish, it is. Their religion. We can't do that. If we did that, we'd be thrown out of the coontry!"

Spot On!

/nothing to warn about here, move along people...

black mummy in clip: "They'll know I'm Muslim by my veil."

What I was taught growing up: "They'll know we're Christians by our love."

I see ugly days ahead for Blighty.

Why do they differentiate between "Whites" and "Muslims"?

Isn't that the same as separating "Blacks" from "Christians"?

HHMMM, comments anyone?

TO: All
RE: Possible Solution...

...or resolution...

...to full-face covering.

Force the issue. EVERYONE should wear them.

Either everyone gets complete anonymity or the law will require NOBODY gets it. Especially after a few crimes are committed behind such masks in full view of the public.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

These muslims that immigrate to other countries and take over entire cities are able to, not because these countries don't have militaries that could stop them, but because it's not politically correct in these countries to stop them. That includes our own. Like maybe while GB and the U.S. are defending Iraq, we can defend our own countries too?

ChuckP, I was thinking the same thing. No translation but it doesn't sound like they were saying "Love your brother". Its seems like the reporter could of been sensitive enough to understand the language of the "protesters", I meant "religious paraders". Whatever they were saying, I am sure the BBC really doesn't want me to know. Hate to say it, but its true, and we all know it.

The first thing that the Brits need to do is make it illegal to cover your face in public.

Contrast this with the Israeli Day Parade we had in NYC yesterday...

no shreiking...Instead...singing, dancing..joyful and patriotic!..Do u see any British flags in their parade...Hell no.

and heck...why do they always sound so bloody angry!

rubbish is right.

"...have literally tried to re-design the town, to get the communities together again. ... The Turkish style was deliberately chosen, to be diplomatic. ... We felt tat people would like it from, uh, kind of, a multi-cultural perspective"

Stupid Woman. Stupid developer. Stupid town council.

Nobody actually likes multi-cultural anything. Neither the woman, nor the developer, nor any member of the town council would live there. None of the whites want to live in a "turkish style" home--not in Lancashire. If they did, they'd go to Turkey. And the Muslims who bought the homes are not interested in multi-culti anything except as a transition from English culture to the Caliphate.

I have resumed reading Churchill's "History of the English-Speaking Peoples", having taken an intermission after the second volume. This Saracen tide is a disaster.

#25 squarepeg 5/07/2007 4:29:12 pm PDT

What I was taught growing up: "They'll know we're Christians by our love."

We used to sing that song all the time in my small town church growing up. It was one of my favorites.

Another leftist social experiment gone awry.

I'd love an update when someone (MEMRI?) has a translation.

The voiceover said it was a peaceful celebration, but how did he know?

#8 Shug

You're right on that! Good One!

Beware, a wussified leftist might call your personal objection to these video scenes(you, you and you) bigoted and racist. These little words by these little people create such inaction among the "concerned" that nothing changes. So, great. Watch the video and feel like your doing something substantial to raise awareness. I doubt the angry third generation Pakistanis or their young women adopting the burkha as a proud symbol of protest will be convinced. I agree with the old lady in the video - it's rubbish. Not the ridiculous third world pride these idiots display. But the fact they can and do with such smiling pride.

It's called revenge of the colonies, colonization
in reverse and they're too stupid to realize it.

#37 pat

Another leftist social experiment gone awry.

Another Islamist social experiment succeeding wildly.

"We live for the hereafter"

You know, I want to preserve civilization as much as the next Lizard, but perhaps there some things we could live without:

Like this...

TO: LoFlyer, et al.
RE: Where In Hades...

"Whatever they were saying, I am sure the BBC really doesn't want me to know. Hate to say it, but its true, and we all know it." -- LoFlyer

...is MEMRI on this? We need translation.

If I were MI5, I'd be banging the head of my translators up against the wall. And THEN, if Blair's government wouldn't let me publish the results, I'd find a leaker. Military secrets are one thing, but shouting something out loud in PUBLIC is something else.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If they don't want you to know what they're saying...maybe they've got a reason.]

I think the white/muslim diad they have going, even as they made a pretty good show, is evidence that the West is pretty much still using a languge about difference that is outmoded and not related to reality.

Worse though are the Karen Armstrongs, the liberals who see loving and tolerating every other culture in the world as the "White Man`s Burden." Somehow, "we" (since many of us are not actually white) can take it. Somehow, we have transcended the realities of Planet Earth and are able to tolerate those who would have us as their slaves. Other cultures are allowed to be narrow-minded, bigoted, inefficient, unproductive, irrational etc.. All those things which would be taken as inferiority in another "white" culture are not allowed to be noticed or have to rationalized away.

This is the last viable racism in the West and it is funny that it is an illness borne by the vast majority of our high priests in academia, the media and politics.

oh yeh, and Britain is in BIG trouble. Jack Straw is a dipsh*t.

OT: Has anyone heard from realwest today?

OT
Well they didn't blame Bush for the tornado's but he's to blame for the recovery.

Iraq war hampers tornado recovery
On Monday, anti-war groups, including the National Security Network and Americans Against Escalation in Iraq cited the shortage of equipment to deal with the Kansas disaster as the latest example of what they see as the war's detrimental impact on domestic security.

#36 AirForceWife

I sang it in Sunday School (Methodist). I'm Episcopalian now, but I think the Methodists have the better hymnal!

Well Bush has gone too far now !
Those Islamicnuts are taking over the UK .
And he just lets it happen.

#49 ISG(ret)
realwest has computer problems, last I heard he's off line till Thursday.

Maui Girl--Just how do you propose to bell this particular cat?

#55 Maui Girl

Straw may indeed be a dipsh*t, but recall that he was the first notable leader over there to say anything uncongratulatory about the damned veil to begin with. Choose your targets.

#14 haakondahl:
"Understanding is not the issue. Not if by "understanding", you mean comprehension. I comprehend the message of a triumphant mass of people shouting and waving flags not my own, while they march right down Main Street in my town."

UNDERSTAND THIS, Britons!

THAT MEDIUM, 'a mass of people shouting and waving flags NOT MY OWN... marching right down Main Street...' IS THE MESSAGE!

/Marshall McLuhan

#50 Low

At this point I dont' care what they blame Bush for. They're probably mostly right. I heard a national guardsman from Kansas say most of their units aircraft is in Iraq so recovery is difficult. We need to stop making excuses for this inept bum (who somehow manages to keep our borders open while saying infiltration is an existential threat to us all) and start demanding someone who will actually do what's best for us.

#54

Just wishful thinking. If they're so into the afterlife however, surely someone can think of a way to hurry it along for them.

Song and Dance Man:

Not a conclusion...it's stated 9 times in the 7+ minute clip.

Counting backwards: 6:39, 6:05, 4:41, 4:30, 3:47, 3:14, 1:09, :45, :38 (give or take a second)

Maybe I don't understand the language of the BBC..?

I find it interesting nonetheless.

Jack Straw made it worse...Bah! Fact is, they want seperation. They don't want to integrate. Their koran tells them not to.

#47 Maui Girl

"[Kill them all at birth]?"

"Mass sterilizations?"

I hope you feel better for having said it. Because these may be the last things you say at LGF. I flagged you, but I'm hardly the first.

#53 lowandslow

Thanks, knew he had some problems with computer, didn't know he was totally down.

Also isn't it amazing how easy it is for everyone to look to the military to clean everything up!

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How many more subways and buses have to blow up before the brits start acting like brits again?
just asking...

#21 JammieWearingFool

Le Menu

Okay, I got "pea soup" and I think I got "Dover sole almondine." Truth to tell, I never did know what a "fricassee" is and I lost the "artichokes" at "pequillo peppers" that accompany them.

The rest of that stuff I can't visualize.
___

#51 Goddess: Ma'am, is it impolite of me to find gentle humor in your post?

I'm Christian now, but I think the Christians have the better hymnal!

When we look at The Source of our devotion...

It's the immigration.

Why do we allow avowed enemies into our communities (UK and US) by the millions?

STOP it.

#63 MB

That supposes their are still Brits left.

their ='s there

50 lowandslow

So we heard.

#66 Brenda

It's the immigration.

Why do we allow avowed enemies into our communities (UK and US) by the millions?

STOP it.

Exactly. Please smack Maui Girl upside the head if you see her. Immigration reform, not genocide.

#64 squarepeg

I never did know what a "fricassee" is

fricassee

/stewed meat

#65 Carridine

As you say, the Source is the same! I just preferred the liturgy of the Episcopal Church before it went all moonbatty. I'm holding out hope that it will sort itself out.

Eric Cartman,

Who, of all the candidates from dems and reps, do you think will "do what's best for us?"

I think what Pres Bush needs is a "pair" to stand up and be politically incorrect.

He tightens immigration - he's attacked as a racist who wants to divide families. He relaxes on immigration - and he's an unpatriotic hypocrite?

#64 squarepeg

Le Menu

*gasp* Where's dessert? Or is dessert the "trio of farmhouse cheeses"?

#21 Jammie Waeting Fool

I see The View's Elisabeth Hasselbeck got an invite. And look who's Condi's guest...he's a bit of allright, IMHO. Nice to see Tony Snow back in business.

66 brenda

Why do we allow avowed enemies into our communities (UK and US) by the millions?

When Hillary becomes pres. - the real immigration will begin. Under the last Clinton admin.- muslim population in America increased by 2.5 times. Bush hasn't stopped it either- just following the Clintons lead. IMHO

#69 Sharmuta
I'm right on top of things. Thought I checked the front page went back and looked then realized I didn't read any of the posts.

#44 The Other Les

I'll see your civilization and raise you the Apocalypse!

TO: Eric Cartman's Conscience
RE: [OT] Put a Sock In It*

"At this point I dont' care what they blame Bush for. They're probably mostly right." -- ECC

* Your cake-hole.

And stop wasting band-width on so off-topic.

And when you DO get to a topic that is suitably ON TOPIC where you can speak to this matter, be SURE to give us the year YOU graduated from the Command and General Staff College, buckie.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Farging idiots think they know squat about Military Assistance to Civilian Authorities [MACA], when they don't know squat from shinola.]

I have to agree with whomever mentioned colonization in reverse. Muslims want to take over the neighborhood. They have said this in many ways, both words and actions, but no one seems to take them seriously. That's the problem. As they say, hindsight is 20/20. It's like healthcare where the focus is NOT on prevention but the cure or treatment once the problem has taken root. More costly, more deadly.

I couldn't help but notice that the narrator kept using the word Asian when the people he was referring to clearly Muslims. This is not an ethnic problem. It is a cultural war.

I hope the old Gran in the doorway lives to hear the British lion roar one more time.

#73 DRJ

We have a dearth of leadership. At this point, I'm embarrassed to say, I don't really have genuine faith in any of them. Ashamedly, I will probably withhold my vote. Regarding immigration in particular, it is unfortunate there is not a single leader who can articulate how unprecedented and harmful our currrent scheme is to the fabric of a country. If Mexico showed itself as a shining example of liberty and opportunity I would welcome every newcomer. But Mexico is a corrupt, dangerous cleptocracy whose people are fleeing to come here.

# 73 drj

Save your breath (and keystrokes.) It's wasted here.

Blackburnistan...

I LOVE YOU KASPER

#12 tokyob

"tkb" -

OUI!

-S-

We live for the afterlife.

/unfortunately for them, it not what they think it is

#75 Jammie Waeting Fool

PIMF! Jammie Wearing Fool

Touch typing is not one of my strong points.

#79 CP

Your name is quite unfamiliar to me at LGF. Nice to make your acquaintance. I was responding to a fellow poster. Sorry if my immediate record of an on air interview with a Kansas National Guardsman conflicts with your wishful thinking. If Bush is your kind of hero - well, friend, you require new heroes.

#79

Thanks, couldn't reply to him and stay on LGF!

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That lady in the beginning of the flick doesn't have a clue. The Brits don't even attend church, any church, let alone a religious parade. Less than about 5% regularly attend religious services. I doubt they would know a Christian religious parade if it ran over them in the street. The Brits are not going to defend their "religion" because there is nothing to defend. They will go the route of the French.

# 82 E C C

Ashamedly, I will probably withhold my vote.

Yup - that sure was a winning strategy in 06.

Hey ! Any adults present ?

TO: All
RE: What He Said

"Save your breath (and keystrokes.) It's wasted here." -- Mike C.

Eric appears, by all indications, a 'fanatic'.

He can't change his mind and he WON'T change the subject.

Recommend ignoring him until you cross him in a thread that is more to his only 'subject'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig enjoys it and you get dirty.]

Those must be the 4,000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire

I read the news today OH BOY!

Calling half the world "Asian" is a STUPID convention .
My second line had to be deleted.

These Muslims, like the Dominicans in my neighborhood or the Mexicans are not immigrants. They no desire to join our society or contribute. They should be called what they are: Settlers or colonists whose intention is to impose their culture in our midst.
In leftist "thought" an immigrant is a heroic figure, while a settler is the lowest of the low.
Time to use the left's hypocrisy against them.

#71 Killian Bundy

stewed meat

But it's a fricassee of spring vegetables!

High-falutin' eatin' is always full of contradictions, like Bird's Nest Pizza and Snail Ice Cream.

Forgive me for even thinking "genocide". It puts me right up there with those who would love to see it happen to all non-Muslims and heaven knows I don't wish to be affiliated with their ilk.

The problem with immigration is that in the case of the UK and places like Germany, France and the Netherlands it's probably already too late. In the name of multiculturalism and mass immigration they went overboard and now they're drowning.

I agree we need to close our borders, at least for the time being. No more immigration, no visas, nothing. Otherwise, UK's problem will become ours. It's already happening in Canada and it started 30 some years ago.

OK -

Except on "GLUEBALL WARMING" Sarko has it just right. It is OK to be a Frenchman of Muslim "Confession", so long as you are a Frenchman FIRST!, if otherwise GO HOME!

-S-

#82 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Ashamedly, I will probably withhold my vote.

Then why should we give a [expletive deleted] about and have to read your BDS opinions?

/hurry home now, your mama's cooking dinner

#92 Mike C.

Okay, fair enough. Who will you vote for and why?

I'm not flaming or blasting here. I genuinely would like to know. Because, at this point, I becoming so disappointed in the current republican leadership that I could use some cheering up. We did lose the house and senate, after all, to a bunch of tools. If you're comfortable with that I would like to know why.

RE # 100 K B

Ah, my bad - there's always at least a few adults around.

TO: E C C
RE: Wishfully

"Sorry if my immediate record of an on air interview with a Kansas National Guardsman conflicts with your wishful thinking." -- E C C

My only wish is that you would stay on topic, buckie.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I doubt if you could hold a thought with a pair of pliers.

Turkey is the "meeting of East and West?" Well, let's just ask the Greeks of Smyrna, or the Armenians, etc., etc., etc. What "roobish." 1400 years of this, and this is what we're reduced to - attempting to placate a religion, that, at its textual and historical foundation, will not be placated, through housing developments.

#65 Carridine

Chuckle, but not accurate. When two sects have divergent, and opposed, aspects of their faith, they can hardly be considered the same, simply as a matter of logic. Of course, this would be a big problem for the "invisible church" theory (though this would be a discussion for another venue entirely).

#72?
Eric Cartman's conscience

Ashamedly, I will probably withhold my vote.

And then your friends can call you "Moron" with a clear conscience.

Regarding immigration in particular, it is unfortunate there is not a single leader who can articulate how unprecedented and harmful our currrent scheme is to the fabric of a country. If Mexico showed itself as a shining example of liberty and opportunity I would welcome every newcomer. But Mexico is a corrupt, dangerous cleptocracy whose people are fleeing to come here.

The thing you speak of is not "Immigration" it is SNeaking In.
Completely different proposition. If you can't tell immigration from sneaking in illegally then maybe you aren't qualified to vote.

#91 theseus

That lady in the beginning of the flick doesn't have a clue.

Well, not quite. I'm a secularist, no church to defend, but I sure defend my American ideals. Brits are failing institutions and traditions of theirs besides the Church of England -- although I'd leave it to a Brit to say just what those are.

#91 theseus

The reporter was the one who told her it was a religious thing. More MSM oversimplification. This is the same way that leftist anthropologists look at any potsherd they can't understand and assume it must be a religious artifact, because religion is also something they don't understand.

Q.E.D., this flag-waving, chant-barking march down Main treet must be a relisious celebration.

But don't hang that one on the "gran". She's the only friend we have in the whole video! (verdict mixed on Straw).

#101

Could the lose have anything to do with someone not voting! I may not like or agree fully with any of them, but I will vote, otherwise I have to STFU because I gave up the right to give my opinion!

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#105 Jimash

Genuine thanks for the clarification.

I meant illegal immigration.

I don't think Bush has effectively led either, he has let me down tremendously on many, many things,
and I don't have BDS. The man broke my heart in a lot of ways, I really believed in him.

However, not voting is certainly NOT the answer to that problem.

That being said criticizing President Bush on legitimate failures on his part and on the part of his administration should not be verboten here.

I got my shock and awe but not the shock and awe I voted him in for.

E Cartmans C ~
You should vote anyway,hold your nose and vote for the least vile candidate in your view. I know, I hate that too. But it has to be done.

Gotta go.

Play nice for Obi-Wan.

ECC

CP is a proud MENSAN, and writes us all memos so that we won't forget it. But he's right. You're just throwing bombs.

What did you think of the Lancashire video?

OT: More diversion...Condi's date tonight.

NEW YORK: As a girl, she vowed that she would marry an American footballer, but she has ended up helping to run the country instead.

Now there is speculation that Condoleezza Rice may fulfil both ambitions after she invited a handsome sportsman not once but twice to the White House as her date.

The gossip began when Gene Washington, a former player with the San Francisco 49ers, turned up at a formal dinner for President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo of the Philippines just over a week ago.

I like happy endings.

The covered face girl keeps trying to tell us exactly what muslims are thinking. This life doesn't mean jack to them..it's all about the *afterlife*. They keep trying to tell us...yet we no listen!

32 Ringo the Gringo 5/07/2007 4:34:59 pm PDT

The first thing that the Brits need to do is make it illegal to cover your face in public.

AMEN! IF we prize public safety whatsoever, The USA needs to do this ASAP..or we are seriously seriously going to be hurting.

The rights of a few (as misguided as the are) does NOT TRUMP public safety.

And someone has it right here (can't remember) but you bet..Immigration Reform now...don't let these death cultists in that do NOT prize life. How many freakin times do they have to say this?

#96 Byzantium

And to all the others regarding the lack of assimilation - very true. I have no problem with people being proud of their heritage, or learning their parents' (not THEIR native) language. That's cool. But not to the point of purposely excluding yourself from the culture and nation in which you live. This isn't becoming a citizen or being an immigrant - it is, in fact, colonizing. Here in LA, Santa Ana, etc., you see this all the time. There are many individuals born and raised in the US that refuse to speak, and can barely speak, English, and have never been to Mexico, but continually parade their pride at being "Mexican" all the time.

Does the term "Balkanization" mean anything here?

#11 Killgore Trout 5/07/2007 4:20:22 pm PDT

I think there are very few non-muslims who would feel safe with that parade going by their house. Can't the Ummah figure out how to have a happy parade with floats and candy instead of angry chants ijn Arabic?

Great observation Killgore! Makes me think of the St. Patrick Day parades, except the cities here that hold those parades are almost forced to have the homosexuals march in their parade or else. I remember something to that effect a while back in New York city. So where are their floats and big balloons?

#111 H

LOL!

About the videos...unwatchable. Grrr...

# 101 E C C

I'll wait and see what my choices are, and I will chose the least odious. How low would one's IQ have to be to do otherwise ? I don't think the concept of "room temperature" quite gets it. It's not about some fantasy world, and how you would design things if you were a god - it's about what you can get.

I have never, in decades of voting, found my ideal candidate for any office. But that's not the effing point, now is it ? Cripes - this isn't rocket science here.

"Doctor, you should know that in the Service, one must always chose the lesser of two weavils."

Jack Aubry

Does the term "Balkanization" mean anything here?

ooo ooo Mr. Kotter it does to me!

but I gotta go.

BYE

And you need to wonder why the French just voted Right wing?

Ban the Veil (and all public mask wearing)

#96 Byzantuim

"Byz" -

I like your train of thought and the old ju-jitsu move on language. Where I live seems like Dominicans want to be Americans with "Espanol Primero" in the first generation "Espanol Segundo" in their kids. The Mexicans are newer residents and we shall see. All seem willing to work hard and earn their place. "Undocumented" of both are afraid to even try to claim social benefits - much unlike the "ex-colonials" in Europe.

-S-

Sadly, the best thing that could happen is for that town to have an all-out riot.

It's an invasion -- literally.

Things may get ugly in England sooner rather than later.

ECC

Ashamedly, I will probably withhold my vote.

Would that you withheld your comment.

TO: All
RE: Anyone Wanna Start a Pool?

In what years will there be a [misnomer] 'Race' Riot in Lancashire? Particularly in Blackburn?

It will REALLY be a 'religious' riot, as religion will be its principle motivation. Not 'race'.

Will it be like what happened at Cronulla and Bondi Beaches in Australia in 2005-2006?

[1] First some muslim punks stab some non-muslims.

[2] Later, non-muslims beat the stuffing out of a bunch of muslims?

The Australian government was correct when they said it wasn't a 'race' riot. As I point out, its more a religious riot sort of thing.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Comfort is found in rum and true religion. -- Lord Byron]

Too bad for the Muslims...

To many people died for my right to vote my choice as an American citizen for me to even consider sitting out an election. If you are unhappy, join the process and do what you can. If you feel lost in our system, get your shit together and find yourself. Give some thought to running for office at the local level. Park district, library board, highway district, whatever. Learn how the system works and participate. Be an informed voter or be a victim and whine. The choice is yours.

I couldn't help but think that the young lady in the burkha was scared stiff and trying to "say the right thing".

#114 Charles the Hammer

Does the term "Balkanization" mean anything here?

Yeah, it means "Shoot an Archduke", right?

Mike C.

"I have never, in decades of voting, found my ideal candidate for any office. But that's not the effing point, now is it?"

Well, maybe that should be the effin' point. Finding an ideal candidate rather than constantly settling. I was as much as Bush guy as anyone - voted for him twice, defended him to anyone. Created a handle at Huffington Post constantly taking those asshole on in W's name. But, after a while a truly concerned person has to wonder - out of 300 million people this guy was the best we could do?

I know Blackburn very well, it used to be a beautiful little town (even with all the smokey cotton mills)...

This is EXACTLY what Enoch Powell was talking about in 1968...

Jackstraw doesn't have the balls to call them muslims - we have ASIANS in Westminster, CA., from Viet Nam, Korea, China etc. etc. but THEY ARE PROUD AND GRATEFUL TO BE HERE (for the most part, anyway...)

I'm afraid I see the rivers of blood in the not too distant future...

Now I have to go vomit

#123 H

Heaven forfend! Honesty is turned unpopular.

#11 Killgore Trout

"...I think there are very few non-Nazis who would feel safe with that parade going by their house. Can't Der Volks figure out how to have a happy parade with floats and candy instead of angry chants in Deutsch?"

--Paris, 1942

I have to wonder what country soem of yoou guys are living in
When Dr. Shalit says

All seem willing to work hard and earn their place.

I hhavve as low an opinion of EXPLOITING the illlegals as I do of their sneaking in in the firsat place. I hhave a serious problem with gangs of menn standing on the corner waiting to get "picked up" for random work. "s not right .

"Undocumented" of both are afraid to even try to claim social benefits

Can you say BWAHAHAHA ? Have you heard of Identity theft and forged docs ?
My wife has a name that is popular in the Spanish speaking community.
It took WEEKS of wrangling with the credit reporting Beaureus to clear up the ID fraud. Cost me half a point on my refi, which was initially refused because of the Luxury department store bills, hhigh monney car, and house in Fla. that she does not own.

128 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Just remember, withholding your vote actually is voting...albeit lazy voting.

You vote for your opposition.

I just watch this and think... why are we destroying our future. It just boggles the mind.

Scarey is right. Bone chilling, but did love the crusty ole woman who told it like it is.

The Brits better watch out for the masked doe-eyed girl in the black bag who's dying to become a martyr. One day she'll be pushing a carriage with a bomb in it instead of a baby jihadi.

They outa round up all the black crows, all the whiskered turbans and the western style 'youths' around them and throw them out of the country.

But the jizya is being paid. The town has been dhimmified at 24% of the population.

OK U.S.A.
WE MUST NOT BECOME SLAVES,
WE MUST NOT SUBMIT.

The girl in the veil, who was asked if she considered what others would think when she chose to wear the veil...oh my did she lie. Even with the veil you could see it in her eyes, the way she averted them to the left, a brief hesitance in answering. She wears the veil as a statement, she knows full well what people will think and that's exactly what she wants them to think.

They are pushing hard, and they see that we are paralyzed by our sense of "civilized" behavior now defined and driven by politically correct multi-culturalism.

Western Civilization will perish because it has become too civilized to defend itself.

#125 gymnast

If you feel lost in our system, get your shit together and find yourself.

Hah! That's fantastic. And so opposite the thinking from the sixties: If you feel lost in our system, take all the time you need and find yourself. Preferably with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. We're still trying to dig out from the wreckage of a generation that never considered getting its respective shit together the first step to finding oneself.

#128, Eric. Life is full of choices. Being unrealistic is one of life's many choices. Unfortunately it is an all too common choice. But then it may be the acme of one's self actualization and lead to a life-long pattern of disappointment. Kind of like being a Muslim in some respects. Able only to find perfection in another world after being a slave on earth all one's life.

93 Chuck Pelto

[Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig enjoys it and you get dirty.]

I've worked with pigs as an animal handler in a theme park. They do not enjoy being wrestled with and I'd back their intelligence against any one of the marchers on that Blackburn street.

I think the quote you want is:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein "Time Enough For Love"

I don't have the link but I remember watching a documentary on 3rd world countries and voting. Some had to hike for hours along very dangerous roads where thugs would chop their limbs off in order to vote.

That certainly gave me some perspective on the blood shed by our forefathers for this right we should hold precious.

136 R.A.D. Dad

Yes, I guess she forgot to wear her full eye cover of her burka during the interview. Was obvious.

Curious. The BBC presents what is by no means a puff-piece on something that's been part of their own agenda. I wonder if the helpless faces of the white onlookers at the parade are a result of the negative press the BBC uses to assault anyone who voices concerns about multiculturalism.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Robert A. Heinlein "Time Enough For Love"

When I think of the word "progressive" it's Heinlein. and "Time enough for Love "
and "Number of the Beast".

#139

As the apparent Pig - I thank you...I guess. :)

I always fancied myself a Falstaff. How disappointed I am in myself then.

TO: USBeast
RE: Pig Wrestling

"I've worked with pigs as an animal handler in a theme park. They do not enjoy being wrestled with..." -- USBeast

There are pigs. And there are 'pigs'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Do not cast your pearls before 'pigs', lest they trample them under foot and tear at you. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago]

The march in celebration of Mo's birthday reminded me of sectarian marches in Northern Ireland and Scotland. It's a territorial statement, a marking of presence and a veiled threat to outsiders.

#124 Chuck Pelto

It won't be a race riot, and it won't be a religious riot, either. It will be defense.

If your country is invaded quickly and your whole cultural identity is targeted for destruction by your new overlords, you have the right to defend yourself. Why is this not true if it happens slowly?

#125 gymnast

Bravo, Gymnast.

It's an old adage, I know, but old adages become old adages by being true for a long time.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

#141 curtlbc 5/07/2007 5:36:10 pm PDT

Curious. The BBC presents what is by no means a puff-piece on something that's been part of their own agenda.

That is the thing about the BBC... sometimes on UK issues they really do execute investigative journalism. But when it comes to the US, or Western Civilization, they pull out the stops to promote their own (very socialistic, or statist, and often-Chomskyian) agenda.

There are lots of potential presidential candidates, but no one talking seems to have that many good ideas. I still like Newt Gingrich, he does have a lot of ideas,(not all good) but he does deserve consideration as a patriot who does a lot of thinking on the issues facing the country as a whole.
On the whole, many potential candidates have been negated due to "skeletons in the closet". that 50 years ago would have been ignored or forgotten. With modern computers, everyones past brushes with law remain history forever. Should a DUI committed 20 years ago prevent a citizen from running for office? How about under-age drinking in college? How about playing or acting as a white-supremest 20 years ago in a television movie?

It's things like this which account for the increasing popularity of 'far right' political parties like BNP and England First.
Blackburn - from a Bronze Age settlement in around 1800 BC or thereabouts, to a significant Roman town, to a territory of the Kingdom of Northumberland in Medieval times, to the Industrial Revolution. Is this how it ends?...

# 128 E C C

Nice thought, but I gave up reading sci-fi. Just read history now, so I'm a bit too old to old for that nonsense.

And if you really want to spice things up, show this video to the Wahhabists. They would sooner kill these errant "westernized" Muslims for celebrating Mohammed's birthday than educate them as to their sinful "polytheistic" ways in elevating a mere mortal prophet for such "worship".

If you think the Methodists and the Episcopalians are different, you ain't seen the Wahhabists!

#104 Charles d'Hammer:

#65 Carridine

Chuckle, but not accurate. When two sects have divergent, and opposed, aspects of their faith, they can hardly be considered the same, simply as a matter of logic. Of course, this would be a big problem for the "invisible church" theory (though this would be a discussion for another venue entirely).

Logically, I agree with you, Sir.

Tragically, THIS is how the Faith of God becomes shattered, splintered and ineffective... when our LOVE FOR OTHER HUMANS (who used to be 'the same') is no longer sufficient to UNITE US... then the re-ligio is dead, gone, for re-ligio MEANS 're-unite', doesn't it?

Fortunately, Baha'u'llah RENEWED the Faith of God, and set in place a Covenant with His Followers: Unity (NOT UNIFORMITY) is powerful, highly desirable and achievable, so instead of arguing/quibbling/dividing, turn to 'Abdu-l Baha, the Center of the Covenant, to resolve any differences.

Baha'i Faith has stayed UNIFIED for 163 years, through the power of THIS Covenant. You don't have to believe Baha'u'llah is the Glory of God, but IF I DO, I also believe in His teachings and directives and choose to obey His Covenant.

#148 freetoken

The BBC to it's credit also made an excellent documentary debunking the truther conspiracies a few weeks ago. As a result, they now stand accused by the truthers of being part of the conspiracy along with GWB.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

#151 Mike C.

I gave up reading sci-fi. Just read history now, so I'm a bit too old to old for that nonsense.

Recall that SF offers an arena for Social Fiction, wherein the societal and huma implication of different ideas can be explored. As opposed to, say, merely implementing the willy-nilly as the NEA and the USSR did.

Oh, and to those that would regretfully withold their votes ? I don't ever want to hear you bitch about anything that follows. Not one little bit. Not ever. You gave up up that right when you made that brain-dead decision.

Okay - you still have the right to bitch. You just have no legitimate justification for it.

TO: haakondahl
RE: The Cooking of Frogs

"If your country is invaded quickly and your whole cultural identity is targeted for destruction by your new overlords, you have the right to defend yourself. Why is this not true if it happens slowly?" -- haakondahl

Good question. I suspect it has something to do with the parable of cooking a frog.

And we, as 'frogs', tend not to notice that the heat is gradually rising until it is nigh too late.

The older and more experienced of us [and maybe the more 'intelligent' {nudge-nudge, wink-wink}...HEY! YOU brought it up, tonight...] might see it coming before the youngsters or those who don't have two synapse to rub together...cold-minded cretins that they are.

We, here in the States, may have a distinct advantage over the Frogs and Limeys, as we can watch and learn from their misfortune...if we keep our wits about us and our weapons close-at-hand.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill]

#151 Mike C.

I suppose that's the mature answer to the burgeoning non-voter - inane, yet somehow scathing, unserious and dismissive references to sci-fi. I look forward to your leadership in the next century.

#144 Chuck Pelto

Margaritas ante porcos

Matthew was a "wag"?

"Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine..."

# 155 haak

Bad wording on my part. I no longer read fiction (except old favorites.) Reality (or at least perceptions thereof) is vastly more entertaining.

Is there a transcript of this program somewhere? Does anyone know?

TO: Mike C.
RE: [OT] The Benefits of Science Fiction

"I gave up reading sci-fi. Just read history now, so I'm a bit too old to old for that nonsense." -- Mike C.

I read history too. But I also read, what I consider, 'good' science fiction; as realistic as possible, e.g., Niven and Pournelle.

Currently going through Lucifer's Hammer again, gearing myself up for preparing a document to assist in individual and neighborhood preparedness for a possible pandemic of bird flu; at the request of the local public health people. A bit 'extreme', perhaps, but if the mortality rate jumps from 52% to 86% as it did in that one, fortunately short-'lived' burst of human-to-human contagion in Indonesia last year, it could be a useful frame of mind.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Chance favors the prepared mind. -- Louis Pastuer, Father of Microbiology]

#108 ISG(ret) 5/07/2007 5:13:42 pm PDT

#101

Could the lose have anything to do with someone not voting! I may not like or agree fully with any of them, but I will vote, otherwise I have to STFU because I gave up the right to give my opinion!

As far as I am concerned, any one of the Republicans running would still be far better than any of the Democrats. As much as I care about a lot of issues, I will never forgive the Democratic party for what they've done to the military. Nothing any Republican that is currently running for President has ever done anything nearly as treasonous as what Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Murtha, Pelosi and more have done. Nothing Pres. Bush has done is treasonous either. He might be misguided on some things, but he does not hate our military.

I will vote Republican no matter what. There is still hope for my guy to win though when you consider something that a friend of mine repeated (she heard Newt saying it on tv) which is that at this point in the 94 primaries, Bill Clinton was favored by 4% in the polls. Tancredo is higher than that and there is still plenty of time for him to have his message heard. He is not a one issue candidate either.

#156 Mike C.

Or I can hold you responsible for all the idiots you begrudgingly elected, against your better judgment - the lesser of evils still being evil -while I consciously refrained from voting for any of the incompetent assholes. That is to say - you voted for idiot A because he was better than idiot B and C. However, I refused to vote for any of the idiots.

Don't worry, I'm ejecting from LGF. Too many unfamiliar names with easy opinions. G'night, sweethearts. You'll not be burdened by my Chevy Chase any longer.

# 158 E C C

I'm not a leader. But at least I get off my ass and make a choice amongst alternatives. Apparently you don't bother. If you think that sort of self-percieved piety makes you something special, enjoy your delusions. I could pick any ten random comments from Kos or DU and find 5 that thought the same.

#160 Mike C.

There's more truth in old fiction than there is in modern "truth".

I think I'll drag out "Plain Tales From The Hills" tonight.

TO: USBeast
RE: Matthew?

"Matthew was a "wag"?" -- USBeast

Maybe you should get a version where His words are in red. Also, note the use of the capitalized "W". [Note: No disrespect to Him. Just something I do to get people to 'think'. Sometimes it actually works...]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Jesus astonishes and overpowers sensual people. They cannot unite him to history, or reconcile him with themselves. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]

# 164 E C C

Don't worry, I'm ejecting from LGF. Too many unfamiliar names with easy opinions. G'night, sweethearts. You'll not be burdened by my Chevy Chase any longer.

A chicken-shit to the last. I hope that you are at least a man of your word. Buh-bye, now.

# 166 USBeast

Sorry, but I'm in an applied science type field. I naturally tend to prefer facts over fiction.

Yikes! It's getting snippy in here.

Did ya see that there TV show where all the science appliers attributed the seeds of their innovations to Star Trek ?
Fiction serves a purpose,.

#163

Meant to say 92 primaries...I'm getting too old.

164 Eric Cartman's Conscience

What of #133? I don't quite understand the conclusion of your thinking since the vote will go on whether you decide to vote or not. Sitting out on an election WILL in essence be voting. Do you seriously not see that?

even their celebrations seem so angry!

Maybe it's left-over bad karma from the 'Aisha' posts last night... or perhaps bad juju... or should I say JooJoo? Bwahaha! I cracks meself up!

#163 AirForceWife

As far as I am concerned, any one of the Republicans running would still be far better than any of the Democrats. As much as I care about a lot of issues, I will never forgive the Democratic party for what they've done to the military. Nothing any Republican that is currently running for President has ever done anything nearly as treasonous as what Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Murtha, Pelosi and more have done. Nothing Pres. Bush has done is treasonous either. He might be misguided on some things, but he does not hate our military.

I couldn't agree more. After having served under 6 (OMG) CICs, I could never vote Democratic, but will always vote. I've voted when out of the country a couple of times, and not sure if they even counted, but I know I voiced my opinion with my vote. Anyone who served through the Carter and Clinton years should really think hard about their vote if they care for those still serving. I usually don't post when the military is talked about, hard to keep the civil response active.

PS: read on another thread your back and forth about the AF pilots. tell your Pilot thanks from and old army guy for saving his butt in the sand, by pushing buttons.

>The coach had put together the perfect team for the Detroit Lions. >The only thing missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all >the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he >couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl victory.
>
>Then one night, while watching CNN, he saw a war-zone scene in >Afghanistan. In one corner of the background, he spotted a young >Afghan Muslim soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a >hand-grenade straight into a window from 80 yards away. Then he >threw another from 50 yards down a chimney, and then hit a passing >car going 80 miles per hour.
>
>"I've got to get this guy!" coach said to himself. "He has the >perfect arm!" So, he brings the young Afghan to the States and >teaches him the great game of football . And sure enough the Lions >go on to win the Super Bowl.
>
>The young Afghan is hailed as a hero of football, and when the coach >asks him what he wants, all the young man wants to do is call his >mother. "Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!" >"I don't want to talk to you," the old Muslim woman says. "You >deserted us. You are not my son." "Mother, I don't think you >understand," pleads the son, "I've just won the greatest sporting >event in the world!"
>
>"No! Let me tell you," his mother retorts. "At this very moment >there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of >rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives >last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she >doesn't get raped!"
>
>
>The old lady pauses then tearfully says, " I will never forgive you >for making us move to Detroit!"

TO: Highrise, Mike C., and a Few Others
RE: E C C

"Do you seriously not see that?" -- Highrise

No. He/she/it doesn't. All E C C is interested in is getting a 'rise' out of people and negative strokes. There is probably not a serious synapse in his narcissistic little head.

And that's why, when the discussion with Mike C. was getting 'seriously' into something, he ups and has a Monty Python Moment.

I've seen the behavior pattern oft enough to recognize it. However, I have to admit a bit of amusement that after Mike C. recognized it as a waste of keystrokes, he dove right in to the E C C's 'wallow'.

However, what he's covered with, mentally speaking, is not 'chicken-shit'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry. Hence University education. -- George Bernard Shaw]

Makes you wonder where E C C is going to school...

I'm confused. If I told the moslems they had to sit in a specific area, I'd be a racist. What am I when they tell me they're going to sit by themselves, and no Dhimmis allowed? Just who's the "racist", now, Abdullah?
Where's (chuckle, chuckle) the ACLU when you want them?

The clip supplied by Kasper was edited from a 27 minute programme.

What was not shown in clip is that it is evident that the British White and muslim communities are unable to mix as they have very little in common, so much so that white residents are moving to other areas.

My fear is the troubles seen in Northern Ireland where the two religious communities, although a lot more peaceful now, need to be seperated by barded wire and walls will be mirrored up and down the length of the UK.

I have to agree with comments in #145 that Mo's birthday march does reek of the Sectarian Orange Order and Republican marches that antagonises the Protestant and Catholic communities.

The clip also highlights how out of touch government bodies are with the problem and unable to come up with solutions to deal with it.

You can see this evidently with the police unable to get the organisers of the march to get the banners to display multi-lingual writing, the Government advisor downplaying the problem and the property development which reeks of government interfering social engineering.

Apologies, just in case people get confused, I'm talking about Irish Republican marches in my #180 post.

Anyone notice that the girl in the veil kept looking to the left as she talked? I believe that is a sign of lying. I believe that she realy does not want to wear the veil but has to in fear for her well being.

Englishmen:
'Son of Man' Coming soon to a town near you.

PS- if anyone here has not seen that movie go see it. I dunno if England is gonna end up as V for Vendetta or Son of man. Either way is should be a lot of fun.

... you mean ...that Jack Straw?

You know the one who has tried to shaft his country by kissing EU backsides for the last 20 years in an effort to get his snout deep into the EU trough in Brussels.

Ahhh yesss. That jack Straw who's son converted to Islam and is now an Islamist radical.

Yup.. that the Jack Straw we all know. The MP for Blackburn!

#167 Chuck Pelto

The version I read is a King James 1896 Wimore-Andrews Publishing Co. New York. It has some lovely old maps but no red ink. I have a distrust of red ink.

This is also the first time I've ever heard of Himself being referred to as a "Wag".

#169 Mike C.

God bless you, sir. We need ten times your number and then some, but you'll notice that I did not use the word "facts".

#183 El matamoros

From the full TV prog, it really does look like the sectarian violence that has blighted Northern Ireland for last 30 years, which has only recently stopped, is going to be seen in the cities of the UK in the near future.

I find that depressing not 'a lot of fun'.

TO: USBeast
RE: Seeing 'Red'

"The version I read is a King James 1896 Wimore-Andrews Publishing Co. New York. It has some lovely old maps but no red ink. I have a distrust of red ink." -- USBeast

Well...suffice it to say that it isn't Matthew telling people about pearls, pigs and people.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Observation, not old age, brings wisdom.]

#157 Chuck Pelto

I almost mentioned the frog thing in my post, but decided not to, as it is really a different argument. I'm asking about the right to defense, not the recognition of the invasion. I will stipulate that we here all recognize the problem.

Worse even than war is a bad peace. --TACITUS

#158 ECC

I suppose that's the mature answer to the burgeoning non-voter - inane, yet somehow scathing, unserious and dismissive references to sci-fi. I look forward to your leadership in the next century.

EXACTLY A pity that what you think are criticisms are in fact compliments. The mouthy non-voter deserves only the briefest of rebukes, and even quite soft argument will serve to demolish your flimsy position. More's the pity that you can't tell the difference.

And you look forward, literally, to the leadership of To Whom It May Concern, because that's who you voted for. We, on the other hand, cannot expect your followership, as you have refused to do even that.

"4000 A-holes in Blackburn Lancashire"...good one, I used to love Sgt Pepper. Unfortunately, it's more like 40,000 a-holes in that one town alone and ten times that number in the North of England, not counting the "homegrown" English ones.

When I watch that "martyrdom video" of the Yorkshire bomber, what I see is not a Muslim or an Asian, but your typical gob-happy arrogant bastard Yorkshireman, and he has the belligerant Yorkshire bastards accent to go with it. Gobby little tosser. Then I notice he's a Muslim and then I am dumbstruck at the awful realisation of a hybrid creature born of those two awful things...Islam and Yorkshiremen!

The Panorama prog wasnt too bad for BBC. Although it seemed to be trying to blame it on old whitey for running away ( hence the clevver-dick little title "White Fright", as though to imply an irrational fear, a phobia, as in, of course, Islamophobia, geddit ). Hilariously, it was presented by a man called White! The best bit was the smart new homes built with Turkish interiors, in the expectation that this would appeal to both Muslims and non-Muslims and which seemed to have equally repelled both markets. Clueless!

...Oh, forgive me Yorkshire-ites. Im not really so prejudiced, Its just my mind was warped by the spectacle of that Great Yorkshireman Goeffrey Boycott, arrogant bastard. And there is something aesthetically repugnant about that Yorkshire accent, almost as bad as Birmingham, whilst the latter is leavened by its comical aspects.

Meanwhile, Blackburn I realise is in Lancashire, and I confess I find the Lancastrian manner very appealing. The accent is very charming. So Im not anti-Northernites entirely.

Although I am ranting about a good one here, just that it's the first time I've been back since all the changes, loging in and all that, and I'm glad my old PC managed to just about handle it.

...so I might as well post another...

#164 ECC

Don't worry, I'm ejecting from LGF. Too many unfamiliar names with easy opinions. G'night, sweethearts. You'll not be burdened by my Chevy Chase any longer.

Hmmm. Does not work and play well with others.

This may seem rosy for some but in reality Great Britain is dealing with a demographic that is fiercely resistant to progress. Good luck dealing with that. Multiculturalism will make the Britons feel good up until their cars are torched.
Furthermore, rip off those DAMN veils!

Get ready, USA. Thanks to liberalism, this is coming here.

TO: haakondahl
RE: Right of Defense

"I'm asking about the right to defense, not the recognition of the invasion. I will stipulate that we here all recognize the problem." -- haakondahl

Yes. We have a right to defend. That is not, as far as I can tell, the problem.

The problem, rather, is do we have the WILL to defend. But even beyond that. Do we have the will to 'victory'? The will to survive? For without the will to survive, there will be no victory.

As Winston Churchill put it...

You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory - victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival. -- Sir Winston Churchill

RE: Another Interesting 'Coincidence'

I just finished the last installment of that BBC-History Channel thing, A History of Britain. This one titled The Two Winstons; Winston Churchill and Winston Smith (1984 by George Orwell). The latter inspired, in part by the former, according to Schama. And once again Schama touched on the idea that if the British people were going to survive and enjoy their liberal democracy, they were going to have to be "bloody minded" in their determination.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The influence of the religion [Islam] paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world -- Winston Churchill, 1899]

P.S. Again, as I did in my first post on this thread, #4 (above)...

...Schama specifically mentioned Lancashire as a place where the Britons would have to literally 'fight' for their liberal democracy.

Masses of young Muslims and masses of old Christians.

The former are breeding like rabbits (and living off welfare), the latter bought into the population control pap two generations ago (and aborted most of the last generation). Oh, and the latter are paying the welfare.

There's the math. 1-2 more generations of this, MAX.

A Polish immigrant went to the DMV to apply for a driver's license. First, of course, he had to take an eye sight test The optician showed him a card with the letters

'C Z W I X N O S T A C Z.' "Can you read this?" the optician asked.

"Read it?" the Polish guy replied, "I know the guy."

These people are poison. Enoch Powell, much maligned by the Pythons et al., was absolutely right when he delivered his "Rivers of Blood" speech in 1968:

[Link: www.sterlingtimes.org...]

Britons trust politicians less than car salesmen: poll

LONDON (AFP) - Politicians are the least trusted people in Britain, with more faith placed in car salesmen, a survey released on Tuesday revealed.

The poll of 1,900 readers of Reader's Digest magazine showed that firefighters inspired trust in 97 percent of respondents, the highest rate of any profession, followed by pharmacists, pilots, nurses and doctors.

Faith in politicians, however, dropped from an already-low 15 percent in 2002 to seven percent in the latest poll. Eight percent of respondents said they trusted car salesmen.

It marks the first time in the survey's history that politicians have been the least-trusted profession.

Hope this isn't a dead thread(& I'm not too longwinded).
I've got to say I've never quite understood the Brits. I lived/worked there about 10 yrs ago & I can tell you this, life in England (the Midlands)presented one big paradox for me.The guys I worked with were all hard driving overtime hounds, good engineers/designers.Yet it seemed everyone else I met was just getting by on low paying jobs,except for the abundent welfare class(mostly women) happy to squeeze out a few pups & spend the rest of their life in council housing. To be fair it kind of seemed to me,that the "Asian population" had almost the same ratio of the "will do anything" "will do nothing". Though it was my observation that the Indians were far more entrepripinurial. That said, all seemed to agree that the new arrivals were a major cause for concern. I was warned off Birmingham (for instance)for fear of being targeted by these people. They were serious,it was a no go zone even then. Here's the question. If they were all so well aware of the problem, why have they put up with it for so long?

200 Grant Drive, 76086

He had some prophetic observations, but he reads like the early George Wallace.

202 ssoss

PC was very much alive ~ 10 yrs. ago

They pay little attn: to anything other than a 'good time'

#82 ...Regarding immigration in particular, it is unfortunate there is not a single leader who can articulate how unprecedented and harmful our current scheme is to the fabric of a country. If Mexico showed itself as a shining example of liberty and opportunity I would welcome every newcomer. But Mexico is a corrupt, dangerous cleptocracy whose people are fleeing to come here...

Tancredo (Colorado) is the only one whom has said enough is enough. He mentioned that the reason he is running is because none of the candidates will talk about the illegal immagration problem.

I think it was Dick Morris that mentioned that our news media has over 80% liberal agenda. I remember thinking that Tancredo will never get noticed because the media does not want his views on immagration to become public knowledge. The reason being is about 75% of the population want something done.

#204 cbinflux
I disagree.They pay attn, just would rather have a good time.
Really don't understand it, some of these guys would beat your brains out for talking to their girlfriend, yet I see a video of a bunch of foreigners triumphantly marching through the neighborhood with bullhorns. Appears PC has effectively neutered the working class.

Britain threatened by 'an army of the unemployable'

Britain is in danger of creating "an army of the unemployable" as disillusioned teenagers quit school with no qualifications, the leader of the biggest headteacher's union warned today.

Mick Brookes, General Secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers, said advances in technology are set to slash the number of jobs available for unskilled workers, with potentially disastrous consequences for society.

/one wonders the demographics of those yutes..?

The look on those white faces in Blackburn as the watched the "parade" go by? I've seen it before, but where?

Oh yeah, now I remember, old photos of the French, circa 1940, watching a certain "parade" go up the Champs Elysee.

Britian is screwed.

Hey Jimmah, I think I know you from another talkboard. Scottish boy, was planning to move to LA around 2004 to be with his girlfriend?

They don't look like "Asians" to me. Is that like the "youths" in France.

Is that like the "youths" in France.

Yes. "Asian" is British PeeCee-speak for Muslims from the Indian SubContinent.

THE POLITICIANS IN THAT COUNTRY SHOULD ALL BE SHOT

Balkanisation is right.

Britain is now the colony.

I used to think that those who believed that "there would be blood on the streets of England" were slightly delusional, but this clip shows how this has become a tinder box environment which could erupt at any time.
And one cannot help thinking that many radical Muslims know the day will come and are preparing for the inevitable by undergoing weapons training in Pakistan and elsewhere.
The terrorist training is actually almost a side issue. the thousands of muslims getting this training are preparing for the riots against the infidel so they will have the upper hand when the time comes.

Yet somehow...every other religioun (including those with similar religous requirements: ie: Jews) haven't demanded or needed such Goverment paid for and Goverment appeased reaction.

How is it that Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, and Atheists are able to live in "Christian" countries like England or the United States for hundreds (U.S.) if not thousands (U.K.) of years without requiring Government appeasement or physical seperation, etc?

The BBC Panorama program made much of ‘white flight’, with the not so subtle hints of racism aimed at the white i.e. native population, a population that incidentally had absolutely no say in the importation of mulsim immigrants into their towns.

But the phenomenon is not one of white flight. It is one of Kaffir flight, and can witnessed to varying degrees right across the world, anywhere in fact where muslims and non-muslims are, or were in close proximity.

The non-muslim and hardly ‘white’ populations of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, Lebanon, Palestine, Northern Nigeria, Southern Philippines and Turkey have all sharply declined in the last 50 years.

In fact the entire Middle East outside of Israel, is literally emptying of non-muslims.

Funny how on the one hand, BBC News fans the Islamists with anti-Western/anti-American/anti-Israeli propaganda and yet on the other, BBC Panorama warns the English about the Jihad invasion.

#217 NoSubmission

You do get the impression that there are some responsible BBC journalists who try to get a little of the truth out past the blatent liberal agenda of their editors.

Overall, I felt the TV programme tried to portray the issue as White semi-racism. It did little to confront the regression of the muslim community back to a non-integrating confrontational religious identity.

While it attacked the liberal multicultural policy of the Inspired Circa Housing project, at the end it presented a warm fuzzy image of white and muslim children sitting together, sorting out their differences with crayons and paper.

The average member of public who watched the TV prog will go away and feel safe that with liberal multiculturalism, things will eventually sort themselves out.

I just wished the American lizards could see the full TV programme and understand why this problem is not being taken seriously in UK society apart from the affected communities.

My fear is that a lot more 'youth' riots will be seen in the UK in the near future.

"Whites" and "Asians"? Why can't they just say its English and Muslim. Rightspeak here we come!

#7 badsysop

Here's your answer - over TWICE the national average.

I live in London, but hail from Lancashire. I am appalled at these muslim ghettos the (mainly socialist) town planners and politicians have allowed to spring up in this beautiful and historic part of the world in the last 30 years. Deeply appalled and troubled. My parents (who still live there) despair.

TO: Cagney
RE: It's...

"I just wished the American lizards could see the full TV programme and understand why this problem is not being taken seriously in UK society apart from the affected communities." -- Cagney

...really no different here. People are pretty much the same everywhere. They don't really pay much attention to a problem until it starts pounding on their front door, or breaks-in through the back.

RE: Reasonable

"My fear is that a lot more 'youth' riots will be seen in the UK in the near future." -- Cagney

The 'youngsters' will be the ones to start it. It'll probably look like those suburbs of Paris; as your beaches are not as 'attractive' as those in Australia, e.g., Bondi.

Good luck...

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[With the prickling of my thumb something wicked this way comes

#153 Carradine -

That's ok. I'm Eastern Orthodox, and we've never had to have the Faith renewed. After all, it was given "once for all to the saints." (Jude 3). No need to add, subtract, or change anything. So, that would mean that we've got you beat by, what, 1811 years? Hehehehehe . . .

In any event, I'm more concerned about the True Faith than getting along theologically, necessarily.

Which, of course, brings us back to the topic - theological disagreements that lead to purposefull isolation and hostility, as seen in the video.

#(forgot the number) Limey in Yank's Clothing:
Yeah, Westminster is pretty cool. I don't mean to sound racist, but several public school teacher friends of mine prefer Westminster to, say, Santa Ana or Hawaiian Gardens, etc. They say the Vietnamese kids come to this country, bust their butts, learn the language quickly, and are grateful.

The Mexican "immigrants" seem to have been poisoned by a lot of activists and leftists who infuse psuedo-history of California and the Southwest with racist propaganda (La Raza anyone?) and have led these poor kids into an extreme version of American egocentrism exacerbated by racist isolationism.

Oh, and I also like Westminster because it's the only city in the U.S., I believe, that Communist Party officials cannot enter. How's that for a slice of fried gold?