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The Muslim Brotherhood's Strategic Goal

Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 1:35:31 pm PDT

Rod Dreher on the Muslim Brotherhood and their plans in the United States: What the Muslim Brotherhood means for the US.

“Our strategy is this,” President Bush said last month. “We will fight them over there so we do not have to face them in the United States of America.”

He was talking about jihadists, of course. And Mr. Bush is behind the curve. The president apparently missed the smoking-gun 1991 document his own Justice Department introduced into evidence at the Holy Land Foundation trial in Dallas. The FBI captured it in a raid on a Muslim suspect’s home in Virginia.

This “explanatory memorandum,” as it’s titled, outlines the “strategic goal” for the North American operation of the extremist Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan). Here’s the key paragraph:

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a “Civilization-Jihadist” process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.
The entire 18-page platform outlines a plan for the long haul. It prescribes the Muslim Brotherhood’s comprehensive plan to set down roots in civil society. It begins by both founding and taking control of American Muslim organizations, for the sake of unifying and educating the U.S. Muslim community – this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory out of a bad Hollywood movie – but it’s real. Husain Haqqani, head of Boston University’s Center for International Relations and a former Islamic radical, confirms that the Brotherhood “has run most significant Muslim organizations in the U.S.” as part of the plan outlined in the strategy paper.

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1 Macker  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:38:17pm

That's why it's so important to defend and uphold the Second Amendment. An armed citzenry will hold off those bastards!

2 meMarc  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:38:31pm

Bush only looks good in comparison to the democrats.

3 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:38:44pm

I was wondering if you were going to post that, good job.

4 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:38:44pm

The entire 18-page platform outlines a plan for the long haul. It prescribes the Muslim Brotherhood’s comprehensive plan to set down roots in civil society. It begins by both founding and taking control of American Muslim organizations, for the sake of unifying and educating the U.S. Muslim community – this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory out of a bad Hollywood movie – but it’s real. Husain Haqqani, head of Boston University’s Center for International Relations and a former Islamic radical, confirms that the Brotherhood “has run most significant Muslim organizations in the U.S.” as part of the plan outlined in the strategy paper.

/knock knock...hello?..>CAIR?

5 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:40:52pm

And our Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate just pitch right in!

Here's the anti-dote.

6 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:41:06pm

Our only hope is to elect Rudy.

7 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:41:31pm
The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim’s destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

Islam was hijacked....or was it?...

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

They seem to be following the plan Mohammad laid out

......Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
8 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:43:09pm

So let me get this straight -- it's all about some vast, Islamist Conspiracy......

That's real.

9 BingoBunny  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:43:27pm

Must be more someplace.. what about them running the Demorat party?

10 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:45:06pm
this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia

There is no moderate Islam....there is only Islam!

11 infidel4ever  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:45:38pm

Now there is an American version of "The Project"?

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

12 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:47:31pm
Ishaq:324 "He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
13 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:47:46pm

The Caliphate will never come to America, so it's easy for the L3 crowd to disparage this, just like they did anti-communism. That it would never succeed isn't the point. The point is in this para of the article:

Look, no rational person believes America is going to exchange the Constitution for a caliphate. Rational people aren't the point. As the London subway bombings showed, even a tiny cell of committed radicals can kill a lot of people. Mustafa Saied, an American Muslim who left the Brotherhood, told the Tribune that he worried about the radicalism the Brotherhood inculcated in its membership here. "With the extreme element," he said, "you never know when that ticking time bomb will go off."

14 The Albatross  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:48:58pm

I'm calling Elvis....
*warning 9 minutes of Dire Straits tuneage*:

15 Salem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:48:58pm

Slackless heathens!

16 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:50:16pm

But they are not alone

............"[There is] no significant need for the United States."

President Ahmadinejad.....Who is coming to New York to mock us.

17 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:50:47pm

re: #10 storagemanager

this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia

There is no moderate Islam....there is only Islam!

That was profoundly put by the Turkish PM a couple of weeks ago. Further, that it was an insult to have the two words in the same sentence - or words to that effect.

18 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:51:11pm

OT:
Interesting development here, trying to go against the Mookie boys the same way we went against AQ in Anbar:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

19 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:51:20pm

re: #13 Thanos

Every day I drop The Kid off at school trying to not think of Beslan.

20 Jheka  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:54:53pm

O/T:

The word on the street ia that the protests at the White House have turned violent. Tear gas and blood ...

I'm not there (near there but busy) but perhaps someone can find some pictures.

21 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:54:56pm

re: #19 MandyManners

re: #13 Thanos

Every day I drop The Kid off at school trying to not think of Beslan.


There is only one missing link in the plan....they need to attack us in such a way...as to shock us into fighting them here....then they can unite the worlds Muslims into fighting us here...be afraid....and alert.

22 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:55:40pm

re: #19 MandyManners

re: #13 Thanos

Every day I drop The Kid off at school trying to not think of Beslan.

Understand completely -- that's one thing I will call Glenn Beck out on. I don't think we shoud focus in the media on potential attacks on schools. [we should focus on it at all levels of gov't however, and all parents with children should.] They will attack us with what we fear most. Too much attention to that, and....

23 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:56:02pm
24 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:57:40pm
25 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:57:43pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Aw, Mandy..........it's nowheres near that, here, yet --that's what our good, good soldiers are keeping at bay for us, still! Rest in it --there'll be plenty of warning by the time it gets close enough for you to even begin worrying!

Do you pray? An even better refuge of peace of heart is in the real God --did you know He is in charge of every breath that even those terrorists take? :)

26 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:57:46pm

re: #20 Jheka

O/T:

The word on the street ia that the protests at the White House have turned violent. Tear gas and blood ...

I'm not there (near there but busy) but perhaps someone can find some pictures.

MM still has last night's pics posted. Checking...

27 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:58:01pm

Over my dead body, and taking as many as possible with me.

*Spit*

28 me  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:59:12pm

does anybody really CAIR about this?

29 HolmWrecker[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:59:31pm
30 chicagodudewhotrades  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 1:59:36pm

Anybody watch Glenn Beck this week? He did some segments on 'The Perfect Day", basically a series of muslim terror attacks across the nation. Something so violent that it would provoke the reaction the muslims want. The clash of religion, culture, etc they want

31 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:00:51pm
The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions.

That's all propaganda or so I was told by a R of Peacer at the unidictied co-conspirator dinner in Columbus.

32 albusteve  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:00:55pm

re: #27 Ojoe

Over my dead body, and taking as many as possible with me.

*Spit*

I got your six....get some...

33 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:01:12pm

re: #19 MandyManners

re: #13 Thanos

Every day I drop The Kid off at school trying to not think of Beslan.

That's quite a burden Mandy.

First time I ever sent money to the Russian Embassy.

34 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:01:40pm

re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.

35 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:01:54pm

re: #30 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody watch Glenn Beck this week? He did some segments on 'The Perfect Day", basically a series of muslim terror attacks across the nation. Something so violent that it would provoke the reaction the muslims want. The clash of religion, culture, etc they want

They want a fight...many want to deny it...but they want a fight...right here on our streets...and it is coming.

36 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:01:56pm
37 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:02:10pm

re: #29 HolmWrecker

Yes, and Newsweek should put this story on their cover.

Otherwise they're with the brotherhood,

38 nonic  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:02:13pm

Switcheroo: American minister sends video to Osama
Says he's damned to hell if he doesn't repent, convert

WASHINGTON – An American television evangelist has turned the tables on al-Qaida terrorist leader Osama bin Laden – sending him a video message warning him to repent of his sins and convert to Christianity.

"Osama, since you seem to be a fan of video messages, I thought this would be the best way to communicate with you," says Bill Keller, host of the Florida-based "Live Prayer" TV program as well as LivePrayer.com in a message being posted to YouTube and 20 other major video sites in the U.S. as well as some 50 in the Middle East.

Look at you, look at your life," Keller says. "You live like a hunted goat in caves, totally dependent on a small group of people for your survival. At any moment, one of those you trust could betray you like Judas betrayed Jesus and your life would be over. The false prophet you follow, Mohammad, was poisoned to death by one of his wives."

"It is against the most basic standard of good and evil that your life, Osama, will be judged by historians and future generations to be one of pure, unbridled evil.

"You followed the same path as the false prophet you have put your faith in – Mohammad – who, like you, was once a businessman, but who history has recorded was nothing more than a murdering pedophile who led men's souls to eternal damnation with the false religion he created," Keller says. "Islam is a 1,400-year-old lie that was born out of the voice of Satan – literally. Mohammad was correct when he stated it was Satan who initially spoke to him. He dreamed up his own god, Allah, a poor imitation of the God of the Bible, and inspired his own holy book, the Quran, a cheap imitation of the inspired, inerrant Word of God found in the Bible."

"There are no virgins waiting for you in Paradise when you die, only Satan and the everlasting punishment of hell," said Keller. "The good news I have come to deliver to you is that you, yes, even you Osama, can escape God's wrath. He loves you so much, that He sent Jesus to die for your sins, all of them, every last one! Yes Osama, even you can be saved and enter into the Glory of Heaven. Not some fictitious place called "paradise" with women waiting to have sex with you, but the home of God where you can find eternal peace and rest when your life on this earth is over."

39 stevieray  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:02:15pm

Small, tiny fraction of the peaceful religion...

Someday soon we're gonna have to choose... surrender or resistance. We cannot live with Islam as equals... Islam will not allow it. It must try for supremacy.

40 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:02:55pm

re: #32 albusteve

Ok, and we beter switch to saying

How Very Sad

now.

41 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:03:00pm

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.


Why do you think I moved away from California.
and took almost my whole family.

42 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:03:44pm

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.

They probably heard of you and decided it was better to give you a wide berth. :-)

43 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:04:16pm

re: #42 Bobibutu

re: #34 MandyManners


re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.


They probably heard of you and decided it was better to give you a wide berth. :-)

Now that was funny.

44 potatoes omelette  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:04:35pm

The 'mein kampff' (spit) also meant 'inner struggle', you know, jihad.

Islam has been forced out of any country they invaded but history is forgotten when they come back again.

45 Salem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:04:35pm

What I just saw on Fox--the "die-in"--jaw-dropping.

46 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:04:55pm

re: #40 Ojoe

"better".

PIMF

47 Piglet-U93  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:05:29pm

determine, detain, deport, deploy and deliver.

any other problems you want solved?

48 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:05:33pm

re: #22 Thanos

One thing that gets me is the location of a camp near where I grew up. Run by Jamaat ul-Fuqra/Muslims of the Americas, it is very close to Ft. Campbell and not too far from the huge arsenal in Milan, TN.

49 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:05:48pm

re: #30 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody watch Glenn Beck this week? He did some segments on 'The Perfect Day", basically a series of muslim terror attacks across the nation. Something so violent that it would provoke the reaction the muslims want. The clash of religion, culture, etc they want

They might want it but they would not survive it. They might think this country is made up of people like Sean Penn and Cindy Seehan but they would soon find out how much fight a real American has in him.

50 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:05:58pm

re: #45 Salem

What I just saw on Fox--the "die-in"--jaw-dropping.


tell us more.

51 albusteve  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:05:58pm

re: #40 Ojoe

re: #32 albusteve

Ok, and we beter switch to saying

How Very Sad

now.

I'll be sad later...keep your powder dry...to be blunt it will be a slaughter and we're all gonna lose some sleep...options?

52 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:06:01pm

re: #38 nonic

That was good.

53 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:06:44pm

re: #25 Ma Sands

I cried myself silly last Tuesday after I dropped him off.

54 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:07:22pm

re: #41 storagemanager

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.


Why do you think I moved away from California.
and took almost my whole family.

I took a drive along MacArthur Blvd. from Oakland to Hayward - the old pre freeway main drag in the East Bay - 6 or so months ago just to reminisce ... I am blown away by the number of converted stores and churches that are now Mosques.

55 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:07:39pm

re: #33 Bobibutu

I never understood the depth of depravity in the human soul until I read in-depth coverage of it here.

56 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:07:57pm
57 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:09:16pm
58 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:09:17pm

re: #41 storagemanager

re: #34 MandyManners


re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.


Why do you think I moved away from California.
and took almost my whole family.

They're all over the place. Nashville, TN, has a lot of the bastards. Why? Nashville is filled with country music--isn't that haraam? And, check out the link to the Dover, TN, cell.

59 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:09:52pm

re: #42 Bobibutu

re: #34 MandyManners


re: #21 storagemanager

I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.


They probably heard of you and decided it was better to give you a wide berth. :-)

ROFLMAO! Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

60 sa trawler  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:10:10pm

Thanks again,Jimmy Carter!

61 Piglet-U93  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:10:16pm

re: #56 ploome hineni

re: #31 ciaospirit

we have to deport every single one of those scum

every one

It is the only humane solution - while we still have our humanity intact.

62 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:10:58pm

I couldn't find much on the net yet, just this AP article covering only the ANSWER idiots, note they are saying "thousands' but only willing to publish a close up photo...

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

63 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:11:23pm

re: #58 MandyManners

re: #41 storagemanager


re: #34 MandyManners

re: #21 storagemanager
I comfort myself with the knowledge that there are not a lot of Muslims near here.

Why do you think I moved away from California.
and took almost my whole family.

They're all over the place. Nashville, TN, has a lot of the bastards. Why? Nashville is filled with country music--isn't that haraam? And, check out the link to the Dover, TN, cell.


I am in the Bible belt...very small town...No Muslims for 300 miles...lol

64 Capt. Blackadder  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:11:31pm

They are saying loud and clear many times over what they will do.
Falling on deaf ears.

[Link: www.memri.org...]

65 lobo91  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:13:43pm

re: #51 albusteve

I'll be sad later...keep your powder dry...to be blunt it will be a slaughter and we're all gonna lose some sleep...options?

That's the main reason I taught my wife how to shoot, and why we're both CCW holders now.

I'm not all that worried about ordinary criminals where we live (Colorado Springs), but there are some first-rate symbolic targets in the area if the jihadis decide to get frisky.

66 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:14:06pm

re: #64 Capt. Blackadder

They are saying loud and clear many times over what they will do.
Falling on deaf ears.

[Link: www.memri.org...]


They tell us the plan...we have no excuse for not acting.....amazing.

67 Salem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:14:11pm

re: #50 storagemanager

They were interviewing one of the "dead" lying on the ground. She didn't want to break character, so she kept her eyes closed during the whole interview. It was really bizarre. She was spouting the usual shit. Called Petraeus a coward. Claimed they (ANSWER) represented the American people.

Not that the die-ins in the seventies were any better. But it wouldn't be material for the Daily Show back then.

68 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:14:22pm
69 gatorbait  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:14:48pm

When you watch the "die-in" on Fox, take note of the number of demonstrators wearing a kaffiah as a scarf. The message: oppose the war on the Islamic Jihad and support their cause with head piece of the sainted Arafat.

70 Jheka  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:15:00pm

Protest update:

Arrests.

71 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:15:20pm

re: #51 albusteve

Well yes I agree with you.

"How very sad" is a saying here to substitute for something you would like to say that Charles would probably delete, and that's good becuse we want this blog to live long and prosper.

The options are to live honorably and do your best to strengthen our country
and its freedoms, starting at the local level. 2nd amendment included. Then when it comes, the good will win.

72 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:16:02pm

re: #63 storagemanager

You don't know that. Not all Muslims look the same. The Muslim I saw at Starkbutt's a few weeks ago had blonde hair and a peaches-and-cream complexion.

73 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:16:19pm

Koskidz and leftists join the Ayatollah in calling for impeachment and war crimes trials....
Peaceful in D.C.
Komment....

I just got back from the protest, and I'm quite disappointed.

What I expected was a popular movement (finally!) to show some support for ending this war. What we got, instead, were well-traveled radical protesters who essentially hijacked the event.

The amount of socialist groups and radical peace groups made the whole thing like a grand joke. Don't get me wrong--they have a right to say what they want, but this was not a anti-war protest.

The smorgasbord of fringe protesters seemed to push the rest of us out, and our group from GW University shrunk considerably.

The other problem was ANSWER. They don't lead very well. The speeches lasted two full hours longer than scheduled, and strayed long and far from the anti-war debate.

Among the chants of "Give peace a chance" were "End the speech, to the streets!" chants.

In the end, a lot of people showed up, but the image the city (and the media?) got was one of, well... radicalism. I suppose today was a success, but it was far from the focused social movement we need to end this war...

Pics: The Jihad is Bush/Cheney and we are fighting them here

This podium sponsored by the Muslim American Society

Lisa Simpson is my president

Kapitalism

This guy seems normal

Last but not least: Impersonating a dead soldier Klassy!

74 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:16:19pm
75 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:16:39pm

re: #55 MandyManners

re: #33 Bobibutu

I never understood the depth of depravity in the human soul until I read in-depth coverage of it here.

I thought I was well traveled - yes - that one still blows me away.

76 So?  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:16:50pm

I wonder what the Muslim Motherhood has to say?

77 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:17:08pm

re: #53 MandyManners

Okay, tell ya what -- I'll pray for you.....:) --you tell me when you get peace, okay? :)

78 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:17:28pm

re: #69 gatorbait

When you watch the "die-in" on Fox, take note of the number of demonstrators wearing a kaffiah as a scarf. The message: oppose the war on the Islamic Jihad and support their cause with head piece of the sainted Arafat.


These people are nuts...they would be the first to those their heads...

79 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:18:15pm

re: #70 Jheka

Protest update:

Arrests.


This is cool, at least they are giving GOE some coverage, Duncan Hunter is there:

We're occupying a people who do not want us there," Cliburn said of Iraq. "We're here to show that it isn't just a bunch of old hippies from the 60s who are against this war."

About 13 blocks away, nearly 1,000 counter-protesters gathered near the Washington Monument, frequently erupting in chants of "U-S-A" and waving American flags.

They lined both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue to confront the anti-war protesters as they marched by.

Retired Air Force Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson, speaking from a stage to crowds clad in camouflage, American flag bandanas and Harley Davidson jackets, said he wanted to send three messages.

"Congress, quit playing games with our troops. Terrorists, we will find you and kill you," he said. "And to our troops, we're here for you, and we support you."

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., made a surprise visit to the counter-protest, which was organized by the group Gathering of Eagles. The group was created this year by veterans who wanted to challenge war protesters.

"We're a people of faith, courage and fidelity," said Hunter, a 2008 presidential candidate. "It's for this generation that we will win this war on terror."

80 Islamophobic Warmongering Infidel  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:18:23pm

As long as they keep representing their so called RoP with the assassination of the innocents, they will never succeed here as evil will never overcome good as that behavior is anathema to the western mind.

81 So?  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:18:24pm

who let them in and why are they here in the first place?

/oh

82 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:18:48pm

Later ... I gotta get some work done!

83 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:19:08pm

re: #82 Bobibutu

Me too. 'Bye

84 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:19:45pm

re: #74 ploome hineni

re: #63 storagemanager

they are in your county, in your city and in your state

small comfort you cannot see them

they will affect you, and your children and their schooling etc


I know....but we have a house on a hill...40 acres...a basement full of food and ammo....two years ago...we started planning....we really are set up.

85 eon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:21:06pm

re: #13 Thanos

Of course, if they can, by threats, coercion, and judicious application of force, make Islamism the predominate influence on the multicultural stew of "political correctness" that our progressives are so in love with, that counts as a win, too, from their POV.

The endgame in that case would be two or three generations from now, when they have had a few decades of being unmolested by U.S. and Allied forces to consolidate their hold on Europe. Because by that time, they calculate, the U.S. will have had a couple of generations more of granola and bean sprouts, Birkenstocks, and bong hits, and be run by people who would never dream of "imposing their will on a superior non-Western culture"- because they'll be too busy incarcerating or killing people over here for failing to read The Village Voice.

At which point, instead of using car bombs, bomb belts, etc., the Islamists will just point their (Made in Iran and/or annexed from France, the UK, etc.) nuclear weapons at CONUS and say, "Submit or Die".

And they know damn well that the kind of people who started out chanting "Not In Our Name" and "No Blood For Oil" are personally such absolute, sniveling cowards that they'll agree to anything rather than face the prospect of no longer being around to get high.

The Islamists believe that we are weak, vacillating, and ultimately so terrified of death that we will do anything to avoid their wrath. And in the case of the "progressive" crowd, I believe they are absolutely correct. (They're only brave when they have a chance to abuse or exploit people who have absolutely no legal way to stop them.)

The progressives, by comparison, view the Islamists as fundamentally stupid "proto-socialists" who can be co-opted to their two basic objectives;

1. The Nomad Syndrome; The progressives hate Western Civilization so much that they will do anything they can to destroy it, on the grounds that it refuses to be as perfect as they believe it should be- under their "enlightened", and absolute, rule. The Islamists make great triggermen, in their estimation; all they need is to ensure that the Islamists remain unmolested while they're busy wrecking the place. After which, the "progressives" will, of course, build a new, perfect society on the ruins- with themselves in charge. (Syndrome named for the deranged space probe in the original series Star Trek episode, "The Changeling".)

2. The Manson Syndrome; But they also believe that the Islamists are fundamentally too stupid to run the world once they've conquered it. So they will need the "enlightened" progressives to tell them what to do. (See Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry for the explanation of this syndrome's name.)

Of course, if they'd bother to read Sayyid Qutb, they'd realize that the Islamists define the "progressives'" philosophy as that part of Western Civilization which offends them the most, but then the average "cultural elitist'" is oblivious to facts and impervious to logic.

What we have here is two radicalized, mystical, and ultimately bizarre worldviews , vying for the "privilege" of writing -30- to the Western experiment in democracy and rationalism that began when the Greeks booted the Persians back across the Hellespont in the 5th Century BC.

The trouble is, it's the rest of us who are apt to get diced in the crossfire.


cheers

eon

86 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:21:07pm

Woohoo! The Stilt Santa


[Link: www.flickr.com...]

87 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:21:08pm

#63 storagemanager

Don't get too comfortable, buddy. I was visiting my sister in Lubbock of all places and damned if there wasn't a HUGE mosque and community center being built there. The black ghosts are also wandering around the mall. It is quite bizarre. We grew up in small towns in Texas and all we could do was scratch our heads and say "whoda thunk?" Illegal Mexicans, yes, I can see that. But Muslims? In Lubbock?

You'd better scout around because I have a bad feeling that you will fall over an Islamofascist before you hit the 300 mile mark . . .

88 albusteve  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:22:04pm

re: #71 Ojoe

re: #51 albusteve

Well yes I agree with you.

"How very sad" is a saying here to substitute for something you would like to say that Charles would probably delete, and that's good becuse we want this blog to live long and prosper.

The options are to live honorably and do your best to strengthen our country
and its freedoms, starting at the local level. 2nd amendment included. Then when it comes, the good will win.

well I know I'm a winner...and in larger sense you are of course right...I cant chase down jihadis and I cant free dearborn...so what I do is I take care off my own turf...

89 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:22:54pm
90 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:23:06pm

re: #86 Thanos

Now, what does he have to do with the price of fish.........?!

91 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:24:02pm

re: #75 Bobibutu

re: #55 MandyManners


re: #33 Bobibutu

I never understood the depth of depravity in the human soul until I read in-depth coverage of it here.


I thought I was well traveled - yes - that one still blows me away.

I would've wanted my government to cleanse Chechnya after that.

92 Opinionated  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:24:09pm

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:24:22pm

re: #86 Thanos

You know they're a serious political movement when they have a Stilt Santa.

94 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:24:32pm

re: #87 American Jewess In Jerusalem

#63 storagemanager

Don't get too comfortable, buddy. I was visiting my sister in Lubbock of all places and damned if there wasn't a HUGE mosque and community center being built there. The black ghosts are also wandering around the mall. It is quite bizarre. We grew up in small towns in Texas and all we could do was scratch our heads and say "whoda thunk?" Illegal Mexicans, yes, I can see that. But Muslims? In Lubbock?

You'd better scout around because I have a bad feeling that you will fall over an Islamofascist before you hit the 300 mile mark . . .


I moved here...because the city will be unbearable...when the fight starts.

95 grumpy old codger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:25:04pm

Until we realize that these people are worse, in their own ways, than the communists, we can not win. We cannot treat them like criminals, we must treat them as sworn enemies of the Constitution and our way of life.
They stand against everything that America stands for. If, when the bulk of America wakes up to the danger, then the danger will ebb. Otherwise, we are on the road, which hs been noted to be paved with good intentions. They are using our own system against us. When will america wake up?

96 blangwort  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:26:21pm

re: #8 Thanos

Well, it's not so strange in context of what they believe of the West. They think we have some vast conspiracy against them. So you use your enemies tools against them.

They believe we already are exploiting their people. What they don't realize is that they need not fear us. It's their dictators and religious leaders who are exploiting them.

But try as we might, we'll never be able to put that story on the nightly news in front of them...

97 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:26:53pm

re: #85 eon

re: #13 Thanos

Of course, if they can, by threats, coercion, and judicious application of force, make Islamism the predominate influence on the multicultural stew of "political correctness" that our progressives are so in love with, that counts as a win, too, from their POV.

Understand that could happen... but it's a stretch -- too many other powerful orgs and interests, even some that ally with them now. This is America, we are the borg when it comes to culture - they will be assimilated no matter how hard they try not to, so the hard core fringe that doesn't get assimilated is where we must stay focused.

98 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:26:59pm

re: #85 eon

And they know damn well that the kind of people who started out chanting "Not In Our Name" and "No Blood For Oil" are personally such absolute, sniveling cowards that they'll agree to anything rather than face the prospect of no longer being around to get high.

They don't know the vast majority of Americans will not crumble.

99 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:27:28pm

re: #30 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody watch Glenn Beck this week? He did some segments on 'The Perfect Day", basically a series of muslim terror attacks across the nation. Something so violent that it would provoke the reaction the muslims want. The clash of religion, culture, etc they want

The Perfect Day' Part 1

The Perfect Day' Part 2

I'm on dialup so I've seen only part of it. Wish I could download 'em for offline viewing, but the media seems to be something.swf

100 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:29:17pm

Happy Saturnday

101 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:29:18pm

Here's one from the July 4 "anti-war" protest in DC....
Long live the Iraqi Resistance!

102 nonic  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:29:58pm

re: #63 storagemanager

I am in the Bible belt...very small town...No Muslims for 300 miles.

Unfortunately, that does not guarantee that they'll ignore you. In fact, they may come to you simply because you're so "soft" and "easy."

Until recently I lived in a very rural area of NW NJ. Aside from some Mexican pickers in season, there were and are no immigrants of any kind that you could find without driving at least 40 miles in some direction.

Yet on a holiday weekend about two years ago a group of about 5 ME men were clearly "casing" the local country hospital. They came in unannounced, flashed some (probably phony) ID, and demanded and were given a tour of the entire facility. And they asked a lot of questions about reaction time, staff re-inforcements, etc.

Fortunately, this little hospital has cameras everywhere, and when it was realized what had happened, they sent the image recordings to the FBI.

103 Airedale  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:00pm

?
"Thousands" of protesters?
not hundreds of Thousands...millions?

photo/video op for future propaganda assaults on our senses

104 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:16pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

re: #86 Thanos

You know they're a serious political movement when they have a Stilt Santa.

Yes, now he just needs a giant purple head that's 2/3 buried to pose beside. Then we would understand....

105 ciaospirit  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:21pm

re: #92 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways."

That statement was the epitome of wishful thinking.

106 derkrieger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:41pm

Thought experiment

The US is divided in half along ideological lines:

1. What is the future of the Lib side? Animal Farm socialism?

2. What is the future of the conservative side?

Frankly I don't care what lunatic socialist policies Libs want to implement as long as I can be exempt.

Will middle America some day secede from coastal America? Islam won't stand much of a chance in the heartland w/o their ACLU/CAIR et al servants.

107 chicagodudewhotrades  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:49pm

way off topic, but CNN is profiling the Scot Baggage handler at the Glasgow Airport who beat up the Doctor jihadi who tried to burn down the terminal building. I shouldn't be laughing at this guy, he is a hero, but he reminds me of 'groundskeeper Willie'. He has such a thick accent that there subtitles for what he is saying

108 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:50pm

I'm surrounded by them all.

Muslims, leftists, Jews, Whites, African Americans.....

109 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:30:52pm

re: #97 Thanos

re: #85 eon


re: #13 Thanos

Of course, if they can, by threats, coercion, and judicious application of force, make Islamism the predominate influence on the multicultural stew of "political correctness" that our progressives are so in love with, that counts as a win, too, from their POV.


Understand that could happen... but it's a stretch -- too many other powerful orgs and interests, even some that ally with them now. This is America, we are the borg when it comes to culture - they will be assimilated no matter how hard they try not to, so the hard core fringe that doesn't get assimilated is where we must stay focused.


Have you seen how much this country has changed..in just say the last 20 years...Islam and the moonbats are winning....unless we change course...America has we now know it ....we be gone.

110 Cognito  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:32:09pm

Props to the Dallas Morning News for publishing this...

111 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:32:45pm

re: #96 blangwort

re: #8 Thanos

Well, it's not so strange in context of what they believe of the West. They think we have some vast conspiracy against them. So you use your enemies tools against them.

They believe we already are exploiting their people. What they don't realize is that they need not fear us. It's their dictators and religious leaders who are exploiting them.

But try as we might, we'll never be able to put that story on the nightly news in front of them...


And they are right -- the conspiracy is called the American Dream.

112 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:32:47pm

Sorry to all that I have offended. (in general) I appologize.

113 blangwort  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:34:13pm

re: #38 nonic

I admire that minister. He has truly found a way to turn the other cheek ---of his ass. ;-)

114 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:35:11pm

#97 thanos

Interesting point about America being the Borg. I do think that once the gays and feminists start to feel the fatwah squeeze, they will turn their sharp little teeth on the Islamists. The fear I have is this: by the time they "feel the squeeze" so to speak, will it be too late?

115 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:35:45pm

Look at this with a clear eye.........

..Iran-Belgium-Hostage
Belgian national Stefaan Boeve, 28, was anded over to Belgian Foreign Minister Karel De Gucht at a ceremony here Saturday, also attended by members of the abducted man's family.


The Islamic Republic of Iran Police (IRIP) secured release of two Boeve and another Belgian, Carla Van Den Eeckhoudt 37, who had been taken hostage and abducted to Pakistan by bandits in Sistan- Baluchestan province more than a month ago.

The Belgian foreign minister arrived in Tehran earlier Saturday.

The ceremony held at the Foreign Ministry's Institute for Political and International Studies was also attended by Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki.

The two foreign ministers held talks on ways to upgrade Tehran- Brussels and Iran-EU economic cooperation and the Iranian nuclear program

. [Link: www2.irna.com...]

116 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:35:59pm

re: #104 Thanos

re: #93 Killgore Trout


re: #86 Thanos

You know they're a serious political movement when they have a Stilt Santa.


Yes, now he just needs a giant purple head that's 2/3 buried to pose beside. Then we would understand....

The giant Duck of Peace was absent? Well, Just Poop!

117 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:36:17pm

re: #109 storagemanager

re: #97 Thanos


re: #85 eon

re: #13 Thanos
Of course, if they can, by threats, coercion, and judicious application of force, make Islamism the predominate influence on the multicultural stew of "political correctness" that our progressives are so in love with, that counts as a win, too, from their POV.

Understand that could happen... but it's a stretch -- too many other powerful orgs and interests, even some that ally with them now. This is America, we are the borg when it comes to culture - they will be assimilated no matter how hard they try not to, so the hard core fringe that doesn't get assimilated is where we must stay focused.

Have you seen how much this country has changed..in just say the last 20 years...Islam and the moonbats are winning....unless we change course...America has we now know it ....we be gone.

I don't agree with that. The values and principles are all still there, it's easy to get confused but all you have to do when that happens is go to a ball game -- look around at the stands instead of the game awhile. Or just remember the response to the bridge collapse last month.

118 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:36:21pm

#112 wrath of g-d

WOG, what are you talking about? Did you do something bad?

119 lobo91  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:36:38pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

What I expected was a popular movement (finally!) to show some support for ending this war. What we got, instead, were well-traveled radical protesters who essentially hijacked the event.

I'm guessing this person has never been to, or seen coverage of, an ANSWER-sponsored event before.

120 WimbledonWomble  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:36:41pm

More semi-hysterical defamation of Daniel Pipes from the threatened CAIRistas, this time courtesy of Ahmed Rehab, Executive Director of CAIR-Chicago:

Daniel Pipes is as much a scholar on Islam and Muslims as David Duke is a scholar on Judaism and Jews. He does not seem to know where scholarship ends and where political advocacy begins. He does not initiate his research by asking questions for which he seeks answers, but by providing answers for which he cherry-picks evidence.
Pipes is wedded to his personal political agenda to such a point that it dominates his worldview invalidating his ability to act as a neutral scholar on Muslim-related topics. Concerned with the interests of Israel above all else, he consistently defines Muslim-Americans exclusively as a function of their position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
For Pipes, a “bad” Muslim is a Muslim who challenges his views on Israel and a “good” Muslim is one who agrees with them; in his “scholarly” lingo, the code terms are “Islamist” and “moderate” respectively.

....

That is precisely what we are seeing with the “Islam and Islamists” rhetoric. Pipes did not invent the term Islamist, but abusing it as per step (b) above is his trademark contribution to the discourse on Islam in the West. Today, there are many others who have jumped on the bandwagon; there is even a documentary film entitled - you guessed it - “Islam vs. the Islamists” that falsely portrays most Muslim-Americans as “Islamist.”
The film’s producer, Frank Gaffney, is a fellow contributor to that sham bastion of critical thinking and intellectual rigor that Daniel Pipes pontificates on regularly, David Horowitz’s notorious “Front Page Mag.”
But back to Pipes.
Pipes is quick to parrot that radical Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution.
That is all very well - until you realize that his raison d’etre is to claim that every Muslim individual or group of mentionable influence is a conveyer of radical Islam - particularly if they are outspoken against the illegal Israeli occupation.
On the other hand, everyone upon whom he bestows the “moderate” badge is either a lone wolf with no credibility in the Muslim mainstream, an apologist for Pipes’ own radical views on the Middle East, or both. It is even plausible that Pipes would refer to a Muslim who leaves Islam altogether as a “moderate” Muslim, as he has in the case of Wafa Sultan.
Pipes constantly whines about influential Muslim groups like MPAC, CAIR and ISNA, mustering up the audacity to call them “Islamist” despite the fact that these groups do not advocate Shariah-rule in the US; they not only accept the US constitution, they are at the forefront of those advocating for the full application of all its codes. Hardly the ethical journalist, Pipes will shamelessly quote questionable sources like the virulently anti-Muslim Pipeline news website to prove his point. A megalomaniac, he is one stop short of quoting himself.

[Link: usa.mediamonitors.net...]

121 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:37:50pm

em>re: #113 blangwort

There are no virgins waiting for you in Paradise when you die, only Satan and the everlasting punishment of hell," said Keller. "The good news I have come to deliver to you is that you, yes, even you Osama, can escape God's wrath. He loves you so much, that He sent Jesus to die for your sins, all of them, every last one! Yes Osama, even you can be saved and enter into the Glory of Heaven. Not some fictitious place called "paradise" with women waiting to have sex with you, but the home of God where you can find eternal peace and rest when your life on this earth is over."

This is true. If Osama sees the errors of his ways and asks for forgiveness, true forgiveness, I will allow him to escape.

Balls in your court, Osama.

122 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:38:27pm

re: #118 American Jewess In Jerusalem

No just asking for forgivenss if I wronged anyone here on LGF.

123 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:38:35pm

re: #120 WimbledonWomble

Ahmed Rehab: another shit-slinging monkey.

124 stevieray  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:38:47pm

Fortunately for our side AQ Iraq is run by a bunch of short-sighted sadists:

Al Qaeda Group Threatens Iraqi Sunnis Who Cooperate With U.S.

125 sandspur  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:39:26pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Mandy, I can relate. On the morning of 9/11, right after the second WTC was hit, I just flew to my kid's schools to get them with me in case there was more and worse to come. Woe to anyone who had tried to get between us that day.

126 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:39:44pm

re: #117 Thanos

And think about a President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Obama...sec of defence Edwards......nanny state heath care...yes ...The values and principles will still be present.

127 wrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:40:13pm

re: #124 stevieray

What always made me frustrated (& laugh) is the fact that if the "insurgents" of Iraq were to just stop killing eachother for a couple months, the U.S. would pack up and leave.

Thereafter, they could do whatever they wanted to Iraq. We wouldn't be going back.

128 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:40:21pm

#119 lobo91
I suspect that there's been a change in the protest movement over the past few years. Among the grass-roots activists they call in astroturfing; Code Pink, Answer, etc bring their own people and agenda to every protest around the country and local lefties aren't represented.

129 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:43:12pm

re: #126 storagemanager

re: #117 Thanos

And think about a President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Obama...sec of defence Edwards......nanny state heath care...yes ...The values and principles will still be present.

Yes, even if that happens the values will be present. Hell, they control Congress now, how far are they getting? Simple demographics get in their way Storagemanager. The country did a big swing towards socialism in the sixties, the pendulum is headed the other direction now, why do you think the left is sounding so desperate lately?

130 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:44:02pm

re: #127 wrathofG-d

re: #124 stevieray

What always made me frustrated (& laugh) is the fact that if the "insurgents" of Iraq were to just stop killing eachother for a couple months, the U.S. would pack up and leave.

Thereafter, they could do whatever they wanted to Iraq. We wouldn't be going back.


We can not leave Iraq....until Iran is dealt with.

131 nonic  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:44:28pm
Last month, a CBS television station in Tampa, Fla., announced it was taking "Live Prayer with Bill Keller" off the air after the local chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations complained of the religious views Keller expressed.

CAIR-Tampa issued a statement that "WTOG-TV (CS44) dropped 'Live Prayer' after the station and its parent company CBS received a letter from and had discussions with the Islamic civil rights and advocacy group."

See # 38 above for video message that TV evangelist Bill Keller has sent to Osama bin Laden.

Including...........

"Look at you, look at your life," Keller says. "You live like a hunted goat in caves, totally dependent on a small group of people for your survival. At any moment, one of those you trust could betray you like Judas betrayed Jesus and your life would be over. The false prophet you follow, Mohammad, was poisoned to death by one of his wives."

"You followed the same path as the false prophet you have put your faith in – Mohammad – who, like you, was once a businessman, but who history has recorded was nothing more than a murdering pedophile who led men's souls to eternal damnation with the false religion he created," Keller says. "Islam is a 1,400-year-old lie that was born out of the voice of Satan – literally. Mohammad was correct when he stated it was Satan who initially spoke to him. He dreamed up his own god, Allah, a poor imitation of the God of the Bible, and inspired his own holy book, the Quran, a cheap imitation of the inspired, inerrant Word of God found in the Bible."

132 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:44:33pm

re: #106 derkrieger

Thought experiment

The US is divided in half along ideological lines:

1. What is the future of the Lib side? Animal Farm socialism?

2. What is the future of the conservative side?

Frankly I don't care what lunatic socialist policies Libs want to implement as long as I can be exempt.

Will middle America some day secede from coastal America? Islam won't stand much of a chance in the heartland w/o their ACLU/CAIR et al servants.

Funny thing is, derkrieger, some of the biggest enclaves of muslims are in the heartland (Memphis, Detroit), not on either coast.

133 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:47:15pm

re: #132 galloping granny

I typed out my theory and deleted it. Otherwise, I'd be apologizing along with WoG right now.

134 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:47:40pm

Ut oh... maybe more women drivers coming....

/// said that to tick off Mandy

Women in the only country in the world which still bans women from driving want to put their best foot forward – on the accelerator.

Saudi Arabia's newly established League of Demanders of Women's Right to Drive Cars plans to deliver a petition to King Abdallah Bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud, calling for their "stolen" entitlement of free movement to be restored.

In a statement on the Arab website Aafaq, the women said: "This is a right that was enjoyed by our mothers and grandmothers in complete freedom, through the means of transportation available."

In Saudi Arabia, a woman's right to drive has been a matter of heated debate for years. In 1990 a group of middle class women were arrested when they staged protest drives.

London-based Saudi political analyst and author Mai Yamani pointed out that reformist moves to slowly lift the barriers on women working meant little if they could not drive. You can't keep a woman locked up so she can't get out, drive her child to school. It is a basic necessity," Ms Yamani said. "I definitely believe it is time women were allowed to drive."

135 nonic  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:47:47pm

Bill Keller's Message To Osama Bin Laden at YouTube

(See #38 above.)

136 Victor  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:48:14pm

#1 Macker 9/15/07 1:38:17 pm

"That's why it's so important to defend and uphold the Second Amendment. An armed citzenry will hold off those bastards!"

The only proper and effective defense against Islamic jihad is by explicit national legislation recognizing the threat of Islamic jihad, barring Muslim immigration, encouraging Muslims already here to leave, and prohibiting the advocacy of Islamic sharia as treason.

Until we have the intellectual clarity and moral confidence to oppose Islam by national consensus and explicit legislation all the guns in Texas won't make a bit of difference. If there isn't a citizenry willing to defend us by legitimate means there damn sure won't be any effective resistance by ad hoc groups taking things into their own hands. They'd be shut down faster than that group of protesters in Belgium and denounced as right-wing nationalist fascist vigilante nazi goons. They'd be defeated, crushed, arrested, imprisoned, and shunned.

And our nice liberals will have won the day, inviting even more of their beloved Religion of Peace overlords into America.

137 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:48:48pm

re: #132 galloping granny

And, Nashville.

138 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:48:56pm

re: #129 Thanos

re: #126 storagemanager


re: #117 Thanos

And think about a President Hillary Clinton and Vice President Obama...sec of defence Edwards......nanny state heath care...yes ...The values and principles will still be present.


Yes, even if that happens the values will be present. Hell, they control Congress now, how far are they getting? Simple demographics get in their way Storagemanager. The country did a big swing towards socialism in the sixties, the pendulum is headed the other direction now, why do you think the left is sounding so desperate lately?

Putting all that a side....we have an enemy that wants us dead...yes...just one....North Korea,Iran and Hugo are working as one...and getting help and smiles from Russia and China.

139 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:49:46pm

re: #112 wrathofG-d

:)

140 Beobachter  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:50:11pm

re: #11 infidel4ever

Now there is an American version of "The Project"?

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Man, that is scary stuff. No, this is something, which should, or should I say must be taught in history lesson.

Thanks for posting the link. This clears up quite a few things.

141 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:50:15pm

re: #134 Thanos

Of course they don't want women to drive. It's a big step to freedom.

142 WrathofG-d  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:53:21pm

...

143 m  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:54:24pm

re: #70 Jheka

Protest update:

Arrests.

Wow

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., made a surprise visit to the counter-protest, which was organized by the group Gathering of Eagles.

Kick ass :D

144 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:56:13pm

I posted this [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] yesterday on a previous thread. It applies to this thread.

145 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:57:10pm

re: #138 storagemanager

Putting all that a side....we have an enemy that wants us dead...yes...just one....North Korea,Iran and Hugo are working as one...and getting help and smiles from Russia and China.

Yep definitely agree with you there. It's one of the things that helps me keep perspective.

146 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:57:30pm

re: #143 m

re: #70 Jheka

Protest update:
Arrests.

Wow
Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., made a surprise visit to the counter-protest, which was organized by the group Gathering of Eagles.

Kick ass :D


and he was the only one....where was Rudy and Fred?....he made a stand today...I will not forget it.

147 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:57:33pm

re: #76 So?

I wonder what the Muslim Motherhood has to say?

So? -

Obviously NOT ENOUGH. That is all.

-S-

148 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 2:58:11pm

re: #143 m

About 13 blocks away, nearly 1,000 counter-protesters gathered near the Washington Monument, frequently erupting in chants of "U-S-A" and waving American flags.

That's a pretty good turnout for a counter-protest.

149 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:00:13pm
150 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:24pm

Proverbs 27:10 10Your own friend and your father's friend, forsake them not; neither go to your brother's house in the day of your calamity. Better is a neighbor who is near [in spirit] than a brother who is far off [in heart].

151 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:46pm

So they know we are to powerful to fight head to head. So they are going to try to use our freedom and goodwill against us while lulling us to sleep with platitudes and lies. Hopefully, America wakes up before this become all too necessary again:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

They came here uninvited. Let's convert them. Pick any religion, philosophy or cult—you have a 99% chance of picking something better than Islam.

152 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:46pm

re: #146 storagemanager

re: #143 m

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., made a surprise visit to the counter-protest, which was organized by the group Gathering of Eagles.

and he was the only one....where was Rudy and Fred?....he made a stand today...I will not forget it.

I agree, they should have been there, Rudy I think is hitting Illinois (good strategy) don't know where Fred is, but on the other hand, McCain's out there saying the right thing on this on his "No Surrender" tour:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Saturday urged South Carolina voters to pressure Congress to stay the course in Iraq, saying Democrats are heading down a "blatantly unconstitutional" path on the war.
He told a crowd of 200 in the northern part of the state—and, later, a crowd of nearly 300 in Florence, farther east—to write lawmakers, including wavering Republicans, and "stand up for these young men and women" in uniform.

Between stops, the Arizona senator told reporters that Democrats, including presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, plan to overstep the role of Congress by trying to specify how long troops should stay in action.

"Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that the Congress decides how long people spend on tours of duty and how long they would spend back in the United States? It's blatantly unconstitutional," McCain said.

McCain showed the crowds a copy of a newspaper advertisement, bought by the group MoveOn.org, that charged Iraq war commander Gen. David Petraeus with "cooking the books" on the Iraq war. It also played on his name by asking, "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?"

"My friends, that is a disgraceful thing," McCain said at a packed Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Rock Hill.

153 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:48pm

re: #136 Victor

#1 Macker 9/15/07 1:38:17 pm

"That's why it's so important to defend and uphold the Second Amendment. An armed citzenry will hold off those bastards!"
The only proper and effective defense against Islamic jihad is by explicit national legislation recognizing the threat of Islamic jihad, barring Muslim immigration, encouraging Muslims already here to leave, and prohibiting the advocacy of Islamic sharia as treason.

Until we have the intellectual clarity and moral confidence to oppose Islam by national consensus and explicit legislation all the guns in Texas won't make a bit of difference. If there isn't a citizenry willing to defend us by legitimate means there damn sure won't be any effective resistance by ad hoc groups taking things into their own hands. They'd be shut down faster than that group of protesters in Belgium and denounced as right-wing nationalist fascist vigilante nazi goons. They'd be defeated, crushed, arrested, imprisoned, and shunned.

And our nice liberals will have won the day, inviting even more of their beloved Religion of Peace overlords into America.

Excellent post.

People seem to have forgotten that our government and our representatives are supposed to be there at our request and funded by...yes... us.. our tax dollars.

At this crucial time in our history our government is schitzophrenic in its actions. We are at war with "terror" but being lectured to be "sensitive" to the Muslims here in our own country because of some supposed "backlash."

This is allowing the hate filled clerics to preach their rhetoric from the Saudi funded mosques here in the US. Islam is the only "religion" here in our country that is funded by a foreign country.

154 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:50pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Another pic: waving an upside down flag over a soldiers coffin

That's disgusting.

I spit on them.

155 Maine's Michael  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:02:55pm

Check out what the Palestinian JihadistsCheck out want to do with Brittany Spears and Maddona.

156 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:03:21pm
...this to prepare it for the establishment of a global Islamic state governed by sharia.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory out of a bad Hollywood movie – but it’s real. ...

Too bad only a handful of us care. Meanwhile, left-wing hollywood is busy spreading conspiracy lies about anything but.

157 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:04:42pm

re: #152 Thanos

Yes he is...

158 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:04:58pm

re: #148 Killgore Trout

re: #143 m


About 13 blocks away, nearly 1,000 counter-protesters gathered near the Washington Monument, frequently erupting in chants of "U-S-A" and waving American flags.

That's a pretty good turnout for a counter-protest.


And the "4000" the Code Pink crowd could come up with was pretty sad statement for their movement. Remember that the whole month of September is like Ramadan for the Communist religion...

159 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:05:18pm

re: #154 mama winger

I really don't know how they live with themselves.

160 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:05:31pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Was this fellow there?

161 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:05:59pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

re: #154 mama winger

I really don't know how they live with themselves.

I was wondering the very same thing.

162 m  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:06:03pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Relatives of soldiers who died in rthe war in Iraq protest against the war spit on their loved ones sacrifice as they march through down Pennsylvania Ave.
163 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:07:20pm

re: #160 MandyManners

HA!

164 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:08:32pm

re: #160 MandyManners

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Was this fellow there?

You get a plus from me!

/Hi Mandy!

165 THELAZYC  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:08:59pm

"Islam Americas's Trojan Horse"! Wake up America before it is too late.

166 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:09:06pm

re: #162 m

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Relatives of soldiers who died in rthe war in Iraq protest against the war spit on their loved ones sacrifice as they march through down Pennsylvania Ave.

That is it, exactly.

God bless those who have laid down their lives for us.

167 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:09:20pm

re: #154 mama winger

re: #149 Killgore Trout


Another pic: waving an upside down flag over a soldiers coffin

That's disgusting.

I spit on them.


An of course the Troofers are there

168 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:10:22pm

Interview with a moonbat....
War Protestor covered in Fake Blood on Live FOX News

"Our troops are fighting against nothing.....
Patreaus is a lying coward"

169 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:10:43pm

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

170 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:10:51pm

re: #164 Ginn

re: #160 MandyManners


re: #149 Killgore Trout

Was this fellow there?


You get a plus from me!

/Hi Mandy!

Hiya', Ginn! How's tricks?

171 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:11:16pm

Sympathy demo in Seattle
Truthers show their commie colors

172 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:11:24pm

re: #167 Thanos

I don't get it. These people are willing, eager even, to believe the worst about President Bush. Yet they are willing, eager even, to believe the best about dictator thugs around the world who plain out TELL us they want us dead. What gives?

My only conclusion is that they want us dead as well.

173 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:11:36pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Figured people could use a smile in such a grim topic.

174 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:11:47pm

A wink and a nod from China

........Iran's interior minister said China has renewed its support for negotiations over his country's disputed nuclear activities, and warned new UN sanctions could force Iran to adopt ''other means.

I have been posting the past week about the new deals Iran has signed with China and Russia....forget the U.N. it is Iraq all over again. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

175 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:12:34pm

re: #166 mama winger

re: #162 m

re: #149 Killgore Trout
Relatives of soldiers who died in rthe war in Iraq protest against the war spit on their loved ones sacrifice as they march through down Pennsylvania Ave.
That is it, exactly.

God bless those who have laid down their lives for us.

Always and forever.

/Hello Mama W

176 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:13:48pm

re: #171 Thanos

Sympathy demo in Seattle
Truthers show their commie colors

James Oliver, of Seattle, holds a 'Freedom' sign that is painted to look like a Soviet flag as he demonstrates against what some feel is a loss of personal freedoms in the wake of post Sept. 11 counter-terrorism measures, Tuesday, Sept.

He seems to be equating counter-terrorism measures with the Soviet Union.

177 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:13:50pm

re: #172 mama winger

re: #167 Thanos

I don't get it. These people are willing, eager even, to believe the worst about President Bush. Yet they are willing, eager even, to believe the best about dictator thugs around the world who plain out TELL us they want us dead. What gives?

My only conclusion is that they want us dead as well.

The bulk of them know it's a lie, but they put it out there anyway. That tells you all you need to know about them.

178 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:13:59pm

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Chen, that's just not true.

AQ is definitely in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is not a question about that. It is taking all their resources to fight America and its allies over there. Their funds are not limitless, their networks are not saturating the West, (yet). They h ave to expend most of their resources over there. That's a good thing, don't you think?

179 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:14:16pm

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

180 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:14:19pm

re: #175 Ginn

Hi Ginn ! How ya be ? :)

181 Born Again Republican  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:14:39pm

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

uh, policy hasn't failed. We're still engaged.

182 meMarc  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:15:07pm

re: #99 abolitionist

re: #30 chicagodudewhotrades

Anybody watch Glenn Beck this week? He did some segments on 'The Perfect Day", basically a series of muslim terror attacks across the nation. Something so violent that it would provoke the reaction the muslims want. The clash of religion, culture, etc they want

The Perfect Day' Part 1

The Perfect Day' Part 2

I'm on dialup so I've seen only part of it. Wish I could download 'em for offline viewing, but the media seems to be something.swf

There are three segments posted at CNN. I assume the fourth will be up tonight or tomorrow.

183 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:15:08pm

re: #176 MandyManners

re: #171 Thanos


Sympathy demo in Seattle
Truthers show their commie colors


James Oliver, of Seattle, holds a 'Freedom' sign that is painted to look like a Soviet flag as he demonstrates against what some feel is a loss of personal freedoms in the wake of post Sept. 11 counter-terrorism measures, Tuesday, Sept.

He seems to be equating counter-terrorism measures with the Soviet Union.

Well sure, because he knows Cheney and Haliburton are building gulags and internment camps right here in the US....

/

184 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:15:27pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

I think I might like to cover him in REAL blood.

/ don't tell my preacher :)

185 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:16:11pm

re: #179 storagemanager

re: #169 ChenZhen


"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.


why are you not covered in fake blood in D.C.?

186 Geepers  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:16:24pm

ciaospirit (#31),

The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all religions.

That's all propaganda or so I was told by a R of Peacer at the unidictied co-conspirator dinner in Columbus.


"your bullshit around the world"
"religious freedom"
"propaganda"
"fundamentalists Christians"
"hate mongers"

Damn. Baldy had all the talking points down didn't he?

And after swearing up a blue streak he calls you guys "foulmouthed"? LOL.

187 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:16:45pm

OT - listening to Buck Owens online. Good stuff.

okay - back to seething

188 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:18:20pm

re: #178 mama winger

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Chen, that's just not true.

AQ is definitely in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is not a question about that. It is taking all their resources to fight America and its allies over there. Their funds are not limitless, their networks are not saturating the West, (yet). They h ave to expend most of their resources over there. That's a good thing, don't you think?

Well, Chen? Do you have a response to my question?

189 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:19:25pm

Fox has pic's of protest [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

190 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:19:43pm

re: #136 Victor

#1 Macker 9/15/07 1:38:17 pm

"That's why it's so important to defend and uphold the Second Amendment. An armed citzenry will hold off those bastards!"
The only proper and effective defense against Islamic jihad is by explicit national legislation recognizing the threat of Islamic jihad, barring Muslim immigration, encouraging Muslims already here to leave, and prohibiting the advocacy of Islamic sharia as treason.

Until we have the intellectual clarity and moral confidence to oppose Islam by national consensus and explicit legislation all the guns in Texas won't make a bit of difference. If there isn't a citizenry willing to defend us by legitimate means there damn sure won't be any effective resistance by ad hoc groups taking things into their own hands. They'd be shut down faster than that group of protesters in Belgium and denounced as right-wing nationalist fascist vigilante nazi goons. They'd be defeated, crushed, arrested, imprisoned, and shunned.

And our nice liberals will have won the day, inviting even more of their beloved Religion of Peace overlords into America.

The Declaration of Independence that I quoted from above only worked (after several years of bloodshed) because significant numbers of American colonists supported it. America grudgingly awoke to the danger communism posed. We have to do what we can to awake America to the newest danger.

191 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:19:52pm

re: #165 THELAZYC

"Islam Americas's Trojan Horse"! Wake up America before it is too late.

With two million Muslims out of a population of more than 300 million, I don't think we need to panic quite yet.

/Spanish will be the official language several centuries before Sharia is the law of the land

192 m  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:19:52pm

re: #188 mama winger

He's checking the handy dandy resources guide for lefties. He'll be back.

193 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:20:33pm

re: #188 mama winger

re: #178 mama winger


re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Chen, that's just not true.

AQ is definitely in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is not a question about that. It is taking all their resources to fight America and its allies over there. Their funds are not limitless, their networks are not saturating the West, (yet). They h ave to expend most of their resources over there. That's a good thing, don't you think?


Well, Chen? Do you have a response to my question?

and what about mine....why are you...not covered in fake blood in D.C. ?

194 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:21:31pm

re: #192 m

re: #188 mama winger

He's checking the handy dandy resources guide for lefties. He'll be back.

LOL!

195 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:21:35pm

re: #183 Thanos

He'd shit if he were to be placed in a realy gulag.

196 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:22:13pm

re: #179 storagemanager

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

"failed policy" is a lame slogan used by left-wing democrats in congress to give aid and comfort to the enemy, hurt the effort, hurt the Iraqis we gave our word to, and accomplish nothing but a steaming pile on the man they hate the most -- George Bush.

Good going dems. I hope we win in Iraq for our sake and for the sake of the Iraq people. Then I hope the pathetic and stale 1960's Democrats lose.


I want the Dems to lose. Did I day lose? yeah - Lose.
and they will.

197 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:22:38pm

Hi Mandy! Hi Mama Winger!

How are you are guys? I am trying my hand at cartoons! Check out my first one..

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

198 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:23:02pm

Orange Hijabs

(check the sign)

199 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:23:31pm
The fuel for Bushehr nuclear power plant is ready and has been examined by inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said Saturday.

Israel Radio further reported that Motakki spoke with Saudi King Abdullah and expressed his willingness to share with the Saudis Iran's nuclear knowledge.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

200 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:24:55pm

re: #197 Ginn

Hi Mandy! Hi Mama Winger!

How are you are guys? I am trying my hand at cartoons! Check out my first one..

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

Is that your blog!? It looks great! Wow ! I love the look of the cartoon strip, however when I clicked on the second panel I got an error message.

Very cool nostalgia look!

201 chicagodudewhotrades  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:24:58pm

re: #188 mama winger

Folks , don't hold your breath waiting for Chen to explain and spin this. I'm still waiting for a answer to what he thinks about the "peace guy' who axe murdered some poor Dutch citizen at a train station over there a couple days ago.

202 EE  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:25:11pm

The first stage of the Muslim Brotherhood's plan is to gain control over the Muslims, to radicalize them.
It can do this legally, without any violence, by taking advantage of the freedoms that exist in a liberal society. As a result, it is up to the citizens of America themselves to fight against these moves, by legal means, including political means, civil lawsuits, economic means, education and public information, demonstrations, and all of the tools that are legal and non-violent.

Here is one step that the Islamists have taken, and that needs to be fought legally: the establishment of a madrassa in New York City, paid for by taxpayers, to radicalize Muslims.

On this subject, here is an article by Daniel Pipes: Stop the NYC Madrassa
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

203 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:25:12pm

re: #189 storagemanager

Fox has pic's of protest [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I'd like to shove those boots up some butts.

Later, Lizards. Gotta' feed The Kid.

204 Geepers  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:25:31pm
"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Hey look at me! I'm saying something provocative!

205 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:25:41pm

re: #199 storagemanager

Yes the Sauds and the Persians are suddenly friendly the past week. Hoping that's only for Ramadan

206 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:26:03pm

re: #198 Thanos

Orange Hijabs

(check the sign)

Seriously, Thanos - those people look downright demonic! No kidding! Very creepy.

Nihilists.

207 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:26:10pm

I a sure this has been said before on LGF but, it bears repeating.

The apologist and supporters of the so called moderate Muslims; those on the left who protect their right to exercise their Religion of Peace , are blinded by the language and the delivery from the so called moderates . The enablers like Kos, like Hillary, Sheehan. Boxer, Reid, Feinstien, and Schumer among others. Are welcoming Muslims into our society like Chamberlain invited Hitler to bomb London. There is a reason why those aforementioned are labeled as MOONBATS . They are blind as bats. The result of their welcoming hands allowing Muslim influence on our culture, chastising those who criticize the said Religion of Peace; to the outright protection of radical Muslims, will be our demise. If this happens, at least their Muslim Over-lords will cut their throats before mine. I'll have the satisfaction of watching each and everyone of them cry like babies. Amused at their last thoughts in their feeble minds, they will be wondering: "What happened?... They promised us if we bought into their Religion of Peace, they'd let us live."

208 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:26:42pm

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.

209 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:26:43pm

re: #204 Geepers

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Hey look at me! I'm saying something provocative!

You go Geepers!

210 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:27:05pm
WASHINGTON (AP) - Thousands of protesters marched Saturday from the White House to the Capitol to demand an end to the Iraq war, leading to the arrests of at least 150 people.
Many of the protesters were arrested without a struggle after they jumped over a barricade near the base of the Capitol. But some grew angry as police attempted to push them back using large black shields and a chemical spray. Protesters responded by throwing signs and chanting: "Shame on you."


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

211 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:27:50pm

re: #208 ChenZhen

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.


Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.

212 EE  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:27:58pm

re #202


Stop the NYC Madrassa

by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
August 15, 2007


[With slight alterations from the NY Sun version]

When Dhabah "Debbie" Almontaser resigned as principal of the Khalil Gibran International Academy on August 10, her action culminated a remarkable grassroots campaign in which concerned citizens successfully criticized the New York City establishment. But the fight goes on. The next step is to get the academy itself canceled.



The five-month effort to get Almontaser removed began in March with analyses, including one by this writer, pointing out the inherent political and religious problems in an Arabic-language school. By June, a concerned group of New York City residents joined with specialists — among them my colleague, R. John Matthies — to create the Stop the Madrassa Coalition. with the goal of preventing an avowed Islamist from heading a taxpayer-funded school.

The coalition, made up of some 150 people, energetically did research, attended events, peppered public officials — notably Mayor Michael Bloomberg and School Chancellor Joel Klein — with letters, collared journalists, and spoke on radio shows and national television. The odds seemed impossibly long, especially as the city government and most of the city's press clearly supported the KGIA's opening and Ms. Almontaser as principal, while denouncing their critics.

Unrelenting efforts by the coalition eventually led to the development in early August that caused Almontaser to resign. One of its leaders, Pamela Hall, photographed T-shirts bearing the words "Intifada NYC," which were sold by an organization, Arab Women Active in Art and Media, that shares office space in Brooklyn with the Saba Association of American Yemenis. Ms. Almontaser, it turns out, is both a board member and the spokeswoman for the Saba Association.

The T-shirts' call for a Palestinian Arab-style uprising in the five boroughs, admittedly, had only the most tenuous connection to Ms. Almontaser. She could have maintained her months-old silence, which was serving her well. But the KGIA principal also has a long history of speaking out about politics, and apparently she could not resist the opportunity to defend the shirts, telling the New York Post that the word intifada "basically means ‘shaking off.' That is the root word if you look it up in Arabic. I understand it is developing a negative connotation due to the uprising in the Palestinian-Israeli areas. I don't believe the intention is to have any of that kind of [violence] in New York City. I think it's pretty much an opportunity for girls to express that they are part of New York City society ... and shaking off oppression."

This gratuitous apology for suicide terrorism undid Ms. Almontaser's months of silence and years of work, prompting scathing editorials and denunciations by politicians. Perhaps most devastating was a harsh letter from the president of the United Federation of Teachers, Randi Weingarten, who previously had supported Ms. Almontaser. Ms. Almontaser submitted an angry resignation letter just four days after the publication of her statement apologizing for intifada.

"I remain committed to the success of Khalil Gibran International Academy," Mr. Klein insisted after Ms. Almontaser's resignation. Fine, but KGIA's prospects for opening on September 4 remain clouded. Count its problems: The school has only an interim, non-Arabic-speaking principal; it has only five teachers; and it is 25% undersubscribed by students. In addition, it faces the outspoken opposition of politicians such as Assemblyman Dov Hikind and is wildly unpopular; and an unscientific America Online poll of 180,000 subscribers found that more than four-fifths of the public is unsympathetic to the school.

213 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:27:58pm

re: #208 ChenZhen
Wrong again

214 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:28:03pm

re: #201 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #188 mama winger

Folks , don't hold your breath waiting for Chen to explain and spin this. I'm still waiting for a answer to what he thinks about the "peace guy' who axe murdered some poor Dutch citizen at a train station over there a couple days ago.

I don't like when someone comes in here and throws out a provocative post, and then doesn't even stick around to defend their point of view. Not everyone here needs to be in lock-step. But I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect someone to defend their positions.

Words. Meaningless words.

215 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:28:55pm

re: #211 Thanos

re: #208 ChenZhen

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.


Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.

Very good, Thanos.

216 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:28:58pm

re: #208 ChenZhen

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.


you out did yourself....Pat yourself on the head.

217 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:29:39pm

Many of the protesters were arrested without a struggle after they jumped over a barricade near the base of the Capitol.


Maybe one of the CODE pink hags took off her shirt and they were just trying to get out of there anyway they could

218 EE  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:29:41pm

re #202


Ms. Almontaser's departure, however welcome, does not change the rest of the school's personnel, much less address the more basic problems implicit in an Arabic-language school — the tendency to Islamist and Arabist content and proselytizing. To reiterate my initial assessment in March, the KGIA is in principle a great idea, as America needs more Arabic speakers. In practice, however, Arabic-language instruction needs special scrutiny.

The city, in other words, could take steps to make the KGIA acceptable by dispensing with the existing set of goals, fundamentally rethinking its mission, appointing a new advisory board, hiring new staff, and imposing the necessary educational and political controls.

Unfortunately, statements by the mayor and the schools chancellor suggest that such steps are emphatically not under way. Until and unless the city leadership changes its approach to the KGIA, I shall continue to call for the school not to open until it is properly restructured and supervised.

Readers who agree should write Chancellor Joel Klein at JKlein@schools.nyc.gov and inform him of your views.

219 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:29:56pm

re: #201 chicagodudewhotrades

re: #188 mama winger

Folks , don't hold your breath waiting for Chen to explain and spin this. I'm still waiting for a answer to what he thinks about the "peace guy' who axe murdered some poor Dutch citizen at a train station over there a couple days ago.

I don't remember you asking me anything about that...but I guess I'd have to say the guy sounds pretty freakin' nuts.

220 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:30:00pm

re: #208 ChenZhen

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.

Re-phrasing is not an explanation, or an answer, or a defense. It's just syntactical re-arrangement.

221 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:30:47pm
Iran, Saudi Arabia underlines strengthening of Islamic unity
Tehran, Sept 15, IRNA
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Saudi King Amir Abdullah on Saturday discussed ways of consolidating Islamic unity

[Link: www.irna.com...]

222 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:32:08pm
223 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:33:03pm

Muhammad: "Gee Stan, what do you want to do tonight?"
Stan: "The same thing we do every night, Muhammad - Try to take over the world!"

224 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:33:52pm

re: #222 FrogMarch

Hillary thought the war in Iraq was the right thing to do.

She gives reasons.

B-b-but - she had faulty intelligience! She was mis-led! She was duped!

(If that is true, she's pretty damned stupid and shouldn't be President.)

225 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:34:07pm
Chavez seeks Colombia's backing to meet rebel chief

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

226 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:34:26pm

re: #211 Thanos

re: #208 ChenZhen


Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.

Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.

Yea you're partially right. The war was sold on the the imminent need for disarmament. We found nothing to disarm. So I should have said unnecessary.

227 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:35:00pm

re: #222 FrogMarch

Hillary thought the war in Iraq was the right thing to do.

She gives reasons.

Thanks so kindly for that link, I've been living with the oversized version from the campaign site, and it over-runs my sidebar. Off to fix that.

228 unstable  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:35:32pm

Isn't this grounds for a RICO investigation? I thought the very purpose of that law was to prevent criminal conspiracies.

229 leepro  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:35:37pm

re: #48 MandyManners

re: #22 Thanos

One thing that gets me is the location of a camp near where I grew up. Run by Jamaat ul-Fuqra/Muslims of the Americas, it is very close to Ft. Campbell and not too far from the huge arsenal in Milan, TN.

OT
Mandy -
I asked this in the afternoon open thread, but apparently you had already left...
Do you live in Tennessee? Where? I'm in Memphis.

Also did you know that Tennessee ranks very high (#6, I think) on the list of states with the most illegal immigrants? I would offer a link, but can't remember where I read that.

230 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:36:50pm

re: #226 ChenZhen

If 95% of the world was convinced that Saddam had WMD, and Saddam prohibited inspectors from investigating evidence, what do you think the next step should have been? What should the world have done, after 16 years of this kind of crap?

This is an honest question - not snarky.

231 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:37:46pm

re: #230 mama winger

re: #226 ChenZhen

If 95% of the world was convinced that Saddam had WMD, and Saddam prohibited inspectors from investigating evidence, what do you think the next step should have been? What should the world have done, after 16 years of this kind of crap?

This is an honest question - not snarky.

Don't waste your time....he just another Gordon.

232 southernborn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:37:55pm

: #211 Thanos

re: #208 ChenZhen


Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.

Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.
Yea you're partially right. The war was sold on the the imminent need for disarmament. We found nothing to disarm. So I should have said unnecessary.

Israel is in the process of finding it now in syria along with some NK wmd

233 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:38:05pm

re: #226 ChenZhen

re: #211 Thanos


re: #208 ChenZhen

Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.

Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.

Yea you're partially right. The war was sold on the the imminent need for disarmament. We found nothing to disarm. So I should have said unnecessary.


There were a multitude of reasons, I'm not going to go into the antique argument of how and why. That discussion has been hashed through so many times here. Go hit Pierre's place if you want the smack down arguments on that. The point is that we are there, and we need to win.

234 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:39:44pm

re: #226 ChenZhen

re: #211 Thanos

re: #208 ChenZhen


Let me rephrase that...it's a lame slogan used as an attempt to make up for the fact that we went to war for no reason.


Every war has reasonS, you just don't agree with them. Be honest.

Yea you're partially right. The war was sold on the the imminent need for disarmament. We found nothing to disarm. So I should have said unnecessary.

Your were the POTUS on 911. All of the events that lead up to going to Iraq happened as they did for Bush. Based on the intelligence reports and the info from your advisers, What do you do?

You are in the HOT SEAT...What Do You DO?

235 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:40:11pm

re: #233 Thanos
And we can not leave until we do.....or there will be all hell to pay.

236 Middle-Earth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:40:12pm

re: #198 Thanos

Orange Hijabs

(check the sign)

Uhmm, what's wrong with the signs ?

237 chicagodudewhotrades  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:40:28pm

Off-topic but funny:


I'm watching 'Fox News Watch" . Cal Thomas is making jokes about how the Move On NYT advertisement about General Petreaous must have actually been placed by Karl Rove since it threw the spotlight off the general and onto the ad itself.


It has been said many times before: Rove , you are brilliant

238 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:40:39pm

Moonbat roundup in DC

A lot of garbage out there today.

239 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:41:28pm

re: #224 mama winger

re: #222 FrogMarch

Hillary thought the war in Iraq was the right thing to do.

She gives reasons.

B-b-but - she had faulty intelligience! She was mis-led! She was duped!

(If that is true, she's pretty damned stupid and shouldn't be President.)


You are so up with that tired lefty jargon. You got it down, girl.

We were all duped. And how Dick Cheney and George Bush have oil.
or something. It's too bad that Saddam is out and his horrid sons are dead. The left-wingers mourn them. They were so misunderstood. The chemical weapons they used on the Kurds were just... for fun.
Yellow cake from Niger - Joe Wilson lied, as it turned out Saddam was seeking it. But that doesn't count. What about the years of weapons inspection? I guess there wasn't anything there. If Iraq becomes a nation that is friendly to the US - like Japan and Germany after WWII - that will piss off the left immensely. Don't want to do that. We were duped!

240 Geepers  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:41:34pm

Thanos (#209),

Twenty years from now ChenZhen is going to be that guy showing up naked at anti-War rallies with a scrotum the size of a cantaloupe waving a big rainbow flag.

I'd call him an attention whore, but that would be mean.

241 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:41:56pm
Palestinian Authority weighs postponing int'l peace summit
PA officials to 'Post:' Palestinians are not ready to reach deal with Israel on "fundamental issues," such as Jerusalem, refugees.

QUIK THEY NEED MORE MONEY....HURRY... [Link: www.jpost.com...]

242 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:42:02pm

re: #230 mama winger

re: #226 ChenZhen

If 95% of the world was convinced that Saddam had WMD, and Saddam prohibited inspectors from investigating evidence, what do you think the next step should have been? What should the world have done, after 16 years of this kind of crap?

This is an honest question - not snarky.

I didn't really want to get into the whole WMD debate for the unmpteenth time. My original point was the slogan is delivered as justification for the mess we find ourselves in now over there, and was never part of the original justification for the invasion in the first place.

243 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:42:11pm

re: #204 Geepers

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.
Hey look at me! I'm saying something provocative!

You may owe me a monitor and keyboard...

244 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:42:39pm

re: #169 ChenZhen

"Fight them over there" wasn't anything but a lame slogan used as an excuse to save face on a failed policy anyway.

Charles Martel didn't think so. See Battle of Tours - 732 AD

You said you looked. Somehow I doubt that.

Yes, it's wikipedia, but it hasn't been Winston Smith'ed just yet.

245 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:42:40pm

re: #240 Geepers

I admire your restraint.

246 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:44:04pm

re: #236 Middle-Earth

re: #198 Thanos


Orange Hijabs

(check the sign)


Uhmm, what's wrong with the signs ?


I just liked the NU!

247 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:44:07pm

re: #242 ChenZhen

re: #230 mama winger

re: #226 ChenZhen

If 95% of the world was convinced that Saddam had WMD, and Saddam prohibited inspectors from investigating evidence, what do you think the next step should have been? What should the world have done, after 16 years of this kind of crap?

This is an honest question - not snarky.

I didn't really want to get into the whole WMD debate for the unmpteenth time. My original point was the slogan is delivered as justification for the mess we find ourselves in now over there, and was never part of the original justification for the invasion in the first place.

You said you thought this war was unnecessary, as we have not found WMD. You brought it up and now you don't wish to discuss it?

That's hardly sporting, Chen.

248 BeerForMyHorses  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:44:11pm

re: #153 Ginn

There may be a time you learn to appreciate the 2nd Amendment.

249 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:44:46pm

re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?

250 DP111  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:45:02pm

Two thought provoking articles to read

The Once & Future Christendom

From death of the West—to knights of the West

[Link: www.amconmag.com...]

The second, most on LGF would have come across it but here it is anyway.

Christianity & Islamism by John Quincy Adams

[Link: www.americanvision.org...]

251 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:45:11pm

re: #249 JCM

re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?

Ron Paul.

252 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:45:18pm

re: #240 Geepers

Thanos (#209),

Twenty years from now ChenZhen is going to be that guy showing up naked at anti-War rallies with a scrotum the size of a cantaloupe waving a big rainbow flag.

I'd call him an attention whore, but that would be mean.


and they already think we are a hate site you know. :)

253 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:46:22pm

re: #251 mama winger

re: #249 JCM


re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?


Ron Paul.


ATE THEM.

254 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:47:03pm

re: #251 mama winger

re: #249 JCM

re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?

Ron Paul.

Cleaning screen now.... ;-)

255 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:47:28pm

re: #250 DP111

From your second link:

In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of

Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting, from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God, he connected indissolubly with it the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting, from the new revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as a part of his religion against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust; to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of more than twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extincture of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute are encouraged to furnish motives to human action, there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.*

Great quote. Thanks for posting it here.

256 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:47:48pm

Seriously Chen, you got anything new? Regurgitating 3yr old talking points doesn't further discussion. You guys are supposed to be about change right? So why don't you actually change to something new?

257 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:48:29pm

re: #254 JCM

That is the first, and only, time I have ever posted that silly name. :)

Glad you liked it.

258 kcladderman  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:48:53pm

I didn't really want to get into the whole WMD debate for the unmpteenth time. My original point was the slogan is delivered as justification for the mess we find ourselves in now over there, and was never part of the original justification for the invasion in the first place


you did not want to go into for the unpteenth time? We can go into it for a bizillion times and it won't ever change the fact that everyone thought he had them he had used them before and the WMD's were just one of the reasons we went to war.

259 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:49:52pm
there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.*


The promise is thru Issac.....that is why Muslims rage.

260 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:50:19pm

re: #249 JCM

re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?

As I understood it, they've found those virtually useless old munitions scattered all around Iraq. Everyone knew those were there. It's not what the inspectors were looking for though.

261 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:50:34pm

re: #182 meMarc

re: #99 abolitionist
[snip]
The Perfect Day' Part 1
The Perfect Day' Part 2
[snip]
There are three segments posted at CNN. I assume the fourth will be up tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks.

262 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:50:44pm

re: #257 mama winger

re: #254 JCM

That is the first, and only, time I have ever posted that silly name. :)

Glad you liked it.

He was in Seattle yesterday, and was on local talk radio. Sound real sane about domestic issues, but once he got onto foreign policy the war etc... well he and Dennis Kookinich would get along just fine.

263 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:53:06pm

re: #242 ChenZhen


the mess we find ourselves in now over there

... another tired left-wing slogan.

Come on Chen - you are smarter than that.
War IS a mess.

We all want our troops home but only after we have a secure Iraq.
If the left-wingers in this nation would shut up and stop giving constant aid and comfort to the enemy - maybe we could win this thing faster and come home sooner.
---
Not holding my breath... So let the tired left-wing slogans about "a failed policy" and "it's a mess" continue! thanks Dems. Special thanks to Harry Reid.

264 easy  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:54:19pm

#214 mama winger

I don't like when someone comes in here and throws out a provocative post, and then doesn't even stick around to defend their point of view.


That is the number one reason my post count is not higher. I just don't have the energy to argue. As a matter of fact I just deleted a comment I have had in the box for 30 minutes.

265 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:54:44pm

re: #260 ChenZhen

re: #249 JCM

re: #226 ChenZhen

Simple question, one which I have never gotten an answer

Saddam had WMD, we know beyond a doubt because we have the bodies. He used them against Iran, and the Kurds. At the end of GWI he declared certain amounts of WMD.

What happen to them?

As I understood it, they've found those virtually useless old munitions scattered all around Iraq. Everyone knew those were there. It's not what the inspectors were looking for though.

Very good, we still don't know. This is one possibility I for one find unaccounted for WMD slightly unnerving.

266 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:55:05pm

re: #238 JammieWearingFool

Excellent! Gathering of eagles has pics

RonPaul and moonbats and Truthers, oh my!

267 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:55:06pm

re: #242 ChenZhen


the mess we find ourselves in now over there

... another tired left-wing slogan.

Come on Chen - you are smarter than that.
War IS a mess.

We all want our troops home but only after we have a secure Iraq.
If the left-wingers in this nation would shut up and stop giving constant aid and comfort to the enemy - maybe we could win this thing faster and come home sooner.
---
Not holding my breath... So let the tired left-wing slogans about "a failed policy" and "it's a mess" continue! thanks Dems. Special thanks to Harry Reid.

268 JeremyR  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:55:25pm

re: #13 Thanos

They have gotten the Brits to bend, and given our present state of "never offend anyone", it won't take long for them to stick their tentacles further into every portion of our lives. By the time the losers wake up, it will be too late.
Gotta admit though, Hillary and Nancy P. Lousy will look good in Burkas.

269 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:55:35pm

PIMF Isaac

270 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:55:56pm

eeek! sorry for the double post. my interface with LGF is freaking out.

271 traeh  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:56:41pm

re: #5 MandyManners

MandyManners, the following version of the music video is even better,
an anti-jihad propaganda masterpiece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9oX5Q2ftmA&NR= 1

272 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:56:45pm

re: #259 storagemanager

there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.*


The promise is thru Issac.....that is why Muslims rage.

History of the world, in a nutshell. Right there.

273 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:57:28pm

re: #239 FrogMarch

Mama winger - -just tip-toe through the snark and sarcasm of that post.

274 meMarc  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:57:29pm

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Guess which house belongs to Bush and which one belongs to Gore.

House #1 A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by
natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest
house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more
energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.

House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermalheat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

275 Charles  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:59:02pm

If you see anything looking strange, it's because I'm tightening up the CSS code for comments. Refresh the page and it will be fine.

276 Geepers  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:59:24pm

ChenZhen,

Do you ever actually discuss the topic at hand?

277 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 3:59:46pm
278 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:01:04pm

re: #274 meMarc

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.com...]

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Guess which house belongs to Bush and which one belongs to Gore.

House #1 A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by
natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest
house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more
energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.

House #2 Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermalheat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

Yeah! But the Goralce buys carbon offset credits from himself, so it's okay.
/sarc

279 AntiPETA  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:01:17pm

re: #38 nonic

Switcheroo: American minister sends video to Osama
Says he's damned to hell if he doesn't repent, convert

WASHINGTON – An American television evangelist has turned the tables on al-Qaida terrorist leader Osama bin Laden – sending him a video message warning him to repent of his sins and convert to Christianity.

"Osama, since you seem to be a fan of video messages, I thought this would be the best way to communicate with you," says Bill Keller, host of the Florida-based "Live Prayer" TV program as well as LivePrayer.com in a message being posted to YouTube and 20 other major video sites in the U.S. as well as some 50 in the Middle East.

Look at you, look at your life," Keller says. "You live like a hunted goat in caves, totally dependent on a small group of people for your survival. At any moment, one of those you trust could betray you like Judas betrayed Jesus and your life would be over. The false prophet you follow, Mohammad, was poisoned to death by one of his wives."

"It is against the most basic standard of good and evil that your life, Osama, will be judged by historians and future generations to be one of pure, unbridled evil.

"You followed the same path as the false prophet you have put your faith in – Mohammad – who, like you, was once a businessman, but who history has recorded was nothing more than a murdering pedophile who led men's souls to eternal damnation with the false religion he created," Keller says. "Islam is a 1,400-year-old lie that was born out of the voice of Satan – literally. Mohammad was correct when he stated it was Satan who initially spoke to him. He dreamed up his own god, Allah, a poor imitation of the God of the Bible, and inspired his own holy book, the Quran, a cheap imitation of the inspired, inerrant Word of God found in the Bible."

"There are no virgins waiting for you in Paradise when you die, only Satan and the everlasting punishment of hell," said Keller. "The good news I have come to deliver to you is that you, yes, even you Osama, can escape God's wrath. He loves you so much, that He sent Jesus to die for your sins, all of them, every last one! Yes Osama, even you can be saved and enter into the Glory of Heaven. Not some fictitious place called "paradise" with women waiting to have sex with you, but the home of God where you can find eternal peace and rest when your life on this earth is over."

Speechless.

280 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:01:32pm

re: #263 FrogMarch

Well, even Cheney called it a quagmire back in '94. War is messy, sure. The problem the way I see it is that we won the war, but can't secure the peace.

Gotta go gang.

281 JCM  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:01:35pm

re: #275 Charles

If you see anything looking strange, it's because I'm tightening up the CSS code for comments. Refresh the page and it will be fine.

Font change a part of it?
I like.

282 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:02:08pm
Amid reports in the American media that the alleged Israeli raid into Syria 10 days ago targeted a North Korean-Syrian nuclear facility, John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the UN, told The Jerusalem Post over the weekend that "simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"


Former US ambassador to the UN John Bolton.

Bolton suggested that Syria, which he said has long sought a range of weapons of mass destruction, might have agreed to provide "facilities for uranium enrichment" on its territory for two allied countries which are being closely watched for nuclear development.


God bless John Bolton
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

283 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:02:43pm

re: #266 Killgore Trout

re: #238 JammieWearingFool

Excellent! Gathering of eagles has pics

RonPaul and moonbats and Truthers, oh my!

My favorites are , in no particular order:

1. The guy with the accordian. Never leave home without it.

2. Che is dead - Get over it.

3. The photo of the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys. heh

284 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:02:43pm

re: #260 ChenZhen

Chen, if you want us to leave Iraq immediately, which I assume you do, then you should be doing everything in your power to convince your fellow Lefties to vote for Obama or Edwards.
Hillary ain't gonna do it. She will leave as many troops in Iraq as she could (while domestically turning the US into a socialist country, but that's a whole other issue).
She's not going to leave Iraq though. She's pulling the wool over your fellow Democrats eyes, and they're falling for it. That makes Democrats dumber then they accuse Bush of being!

If two thirds of Americans want us to leave Iraq immediately like the MSM tells us, then it shouldn't be any problem to get Obama or Edwards elected....right?

285 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:03:08pm

re: #264 easy

"energy"......are you ill? --sorry, I've not heard..........s'pose I could do a search, though...............? :)

286 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:03:56pm

re: #265 JCM


Very good, we still don't know. This is one possibility I for one find unaccounted for WMD slightly unnerving.

What were we inspecting all those years?
And those no-fly zones. Do left-wingers remember those?

In reality we have been at war with Iraq since the first gulf war. This time we finished it. We should finish it-- if the left would just shut up and go back to what they do best-- Dick-diddling.

287 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:04:09pm

re: #275 Charles

I figured it had to be you, tinkering.... :)

288 Bill Amos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:04:20pm

Al Qaeda offers murder for hire to kill Swedish cartoonist

BTW WHY is Fox news afraid to show the damn cartoon ?

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

289 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:04:22pm

re: #283 mama winger

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fat?"

290 ChenZhen  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:04:41pm

re: #276 Geepers

ChenZhen,

Do you ever actually discuss the topic at hand?

We're not that far off topic, are we? I mean, I was discussing my rationale on why I believe that the slogan referred to in the article is diningenouous, because I was challenged on it.

/Later.

291 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:04:52pm

re: #280 ChenZhen

re: #263 FrogMarch

Well, even Cheney called it a quagmire back in '94. War is messy, sure. The problem the way I see it is that we won the war, but can't secure the peace.

Gotta go gang.

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?

292 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:05:56pm

re: #290 ChenZhen

I hope you didn't run away before you can respond to me.

293 daughter of patriots  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:06:19pm

Luxembourg, Brussels: German Christian protestor who was arrested for holding up a cross on Sep. 11th has his story (in English) at The Brussels Journal.

294 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:06:27pm

The truth is coming out....thanks to John Bolton

..........Syria is party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and as such, is barred from receiving any aid that may be used in the manufacturing of nuclear weapons," said Dr. Robbie Sabel, an expert on international law from the Hebrew University, to Ynet this weekend.

If Syria did indeed receive such aid, said Dr. Sabel, "then it is in blatant violation of the treaty. If that is what has transpired, then Syria may be sanctioned to prevent any further development of weapons, as was done with Iraq and as may be done with Iran."

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

295 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:06:47pm

re: #292 DesertSage

re: #290 ChenZhen

I hope you didn't run away before you can respond to me.

Running away seems to be his way of 'winning' an argument.

296 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:07:28pm

re: #280 ChenZhen

re: #263 FrogMarch

Well, even Cheney called it a quagmire back in '94. War is messy, sure. The problem the way I see it is that we won the war, but can't secure the peace.

Gotta go gang.

We screwed the Iraqis back then by listening to Colin Powell and leaving Saddam in place. I shudder when I think of what he did to his people after we left. Kicking his spider-hole butt was worth it. no matter if he had WMD or not.

297 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:08:10pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

re: #283 mama winger

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fat?"

Being fat - it's why they love the burka.

298 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:08:27pm

re: #295 mama winger

re: #292 DesertSage


re: #290 ChenZhen

I hope you didn't run away before you can respond to me.


Running away seems to be his way of 'winning' an argument.

Running away seems to be a core concept to Democrats in general...

299 Bill Amos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:08:40pm
re: #283 mama winger

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fat?"

Fixed it

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fatwa?"

300 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:09:04pm

re: #295 mama winger

re: #292 DesertSage

re: #290 ChenZhen

I hope you didn't run away before you can respond to me.

Running away seems to be his way of 'winning' an argument.

Yep, but I'm sure he'll have an entire thread about this on his blog this evening.

301 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:09:18pm

re: #286 FrogMarch

re: #265 JCM


Very good, we still don't know. This is one possibility I for one find unaccounted for WMD slightly unnerving.

What were we inspecting all those years?
And those no-fly zones. Do left-wingers remember those?

In reality we have been at war with Iraq since the first gulf war. This time we finished it. We should finish it-- if the left would just shut up and go back to what they do best-- Dick-diddling.

The only justification we needed was the ceasefire violations. I don't think the WMD are in play anymore, either degraded into un-usability or hidden and the entire bunch involved in hiding them buried with them and only one left who knew did the rope dance.

But I am not going to bet the security of the US on that. I prefer that we assume they are in play until accounted for.

As for the use of force that congress approved there were 23 points, only 2 concerned WMD. The "No WMD" argument is really a red herring.

302 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:09:30pm

re: #291 mama winger

re: #280 ChenZhen

re: #263 FrogMarch

Well, even Cheney called it a quagmire back in '94. War is messy, sure. The problem the way I see it is that we won the war, but can't secure the peace.

Gotta go gang.

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?

Yeah - I don't remember Cheney saying that, either.

303 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:10:03pm

re: #300 DesertSage

It's a shame, because I really have never minded Chen coming here. It's good debate practice. But it can only go so far when only one person is doing the debating.

304 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:10:35pm

re: #302 FrogMarch

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?

Yeah - I don't remember Cheney saying that, either.

You mean Chen's making stuff up again?

305 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:10:41pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

re: #283 mama winger

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fat?"

Of course not. (playing it safe)

306 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:10:54pm

re: #268 JeremyR

re: #13 Thanos

They have gotten the Brits to bend, and given our present state of "never offend anyone", it won't take long for them to stick their tentacles further into every portion of our lives. By the time the losers wake up, it will be too late.
Gotta admit though, Hillary and Nancy P. Lousy will look good in Burkas.

Don't worry, the Scots will save you before it gets too much futher.

307 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:11:13pm

I remember the quagmire of '94. His name was Bill Clinton.

308 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:11:43pm

re: #301 jcm

re: #286 FrogMarch

re: #265 JCM


Very good, we still don't know. This is one possibility I for one find unaccounted for WMD slightly unnerving.

What were we inspecting all those years?
And those no-fly zones. Do left-wingers remember those?

In reality we have been at war with Iraq since the first gulf war. This time we finished it. We should finish it-- if the left would just shut up and go back to what they do best-- Dick-diddling.

The only justification we needed was the ceasefire violations. I don't think the WMD are in play anymore, either degraded into un-usability or hidden and the entire bunch involved in hiding them buried with them and only one left who knew did the rope dance.

But I am not going to bet the security of the US on that. I prefer that we assume they are in play until accounted for.

As for the use of force that congress approved there were 23 points, only 2 concerned WMD. The "No WMD" argument is really a red herring.

Red Herring indeed. the Red Herring with left-wing DNC/MSM talking point traction.

309 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:12:59pm

What happened to the WMD?

Sandy Burglar stuffed them in his socks.

310 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:13:39pm

Chen...Listen to what Jonh Bolton is saying

...."simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"


I think Syria was doing it for Iraq and Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

311 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:13:58pm

re: #303 mama winger

re: #300 DesertSage

It's a shame, because I really have never minded Chen coming here. It's good debate practice. But it can only go so far when only one person is doing the debating.

I know...you defended him for quite a while.
I even went along and defended him also, until he turned on me for the sake of popularity amongst complete strangers aver at his own blog.

That was it for me.

312 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:14:12pm

re: #275 Charles

If you see anything looking strange, it's because I'm tightening up the CSS code for comments. Refresh the page and it will be fine.

That's sorta like the old intro to "The Outer Limits"

313 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:14:38pm

re: #310 storagemanager

Chen...Listen to what Jonh Bolton is saying

...."simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"


I think Syria was doing it for Iraq and Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Draft Bolton '08.

314 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:14:44pm

re: #311 DesertSage

I'm about done, too Sage. I should have listened to you in the first place.

315 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:16:24pm

re: #313 jcm

re: #310 storagemanager


Chen...Listen to what Jonh Bolton is saying

...."simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"

I think Syria was doing it for Iraq and Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Draft Bolton '08.

I would vote for him...and often.

316 easy  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:19:02pm

re: #285 Ma Sands

re: #264 easy

"energy"......are you ill? --sorry, I've not heard..........s'pose I could do a search, though...............? :)

Had bypass surgery in May but I'm all better now. I'm beter than I was anyway.

317 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:20:28pm

Well it's time for the Saturday night seethe round up, back in a bit hitting the papers.

318 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:20:39pm

Charles, Lizards. I do appreciate the fact that Charles allows just about anyone to leave their .02 on this blog. I am all for "Agreeing to Disagree". After all, intelligent debate requires several points of view. Otherwise, this blog would stagnate and "Preaching to the Choir" would be an understatement. However there is a contingent present that shies away from the fact that war is no walk in the park, nor is war a situation solved in an hour's time as in tv shows. This war that we are engaged in, is by far the cleanest war we have entered. Yes there are dead but, any military action runs the risk of injury and yes most likely death. The men and woman who serve in our armed forces are there by conscription. They chose to be there, to serve our country and unselfishly sacrifice their jobs, their time with their loved ones. They know the risks involved.

Now I don't agree 100% with what Bush does but than again, everyone of us would be foolish not to question Bush or anyone else who serves as POTUS. Interesting enough those who criticize Bush the most have no clue what it's like to run a business let alone this country. Bush is not Hitler, Bush does not want to control our lives by spying on us. Bush has made some mistakes and you know what? The poster Child for the LLL actually made more mistakes by not getting bin laden while he had the chance.

There are are few commenters here who are thinned skinned, never got their noses bloodied in an after school fight. To those commenters I say think before you post your ludicrous comments. I see many occasions where people treat one and other with great respect and I also see times when it looks as if the piranhas are feasting on the the kill.

/my observation

319 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:21:07pm

re: #313 jcm

re: #310 storagemanager

Chen...Listen to what Jonh Bolton is saying

...."simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"


I think Syria was doing it for Iraq and Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Draft Bolton '08.

No wonder the Dems hate him. He's smart and useful and wants to do good things!

320 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:21:11pm

re: #309 mama winger

What happened to the WMD?

Sandy Burglar stuffed them in his socks.

The WMD's were all packed in to a bunch of boxes with no return address and insufficient postage; the half the Post Office didn't lose they destroyed!
// {;-)™

321 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:22:04pm
GAZA (Reuters) - A Hamas-led security force said on Sunday it found a bomb outside the parliament building in the Gaza Strip, a development that could fuel tensions between governing Islamists and President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction.

"We have thwarted a bombing attack against the parliament headquarters," said Islam Shahwan, a spokesman for Hamas's Executive Force that polices the territory

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

322 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:22:27pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

your "/my observation" == eminently sane

323 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:22:38pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

Well said

324 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:23:50pm

re: #316 easy

Ah. Thanks.......one, two, three, four, or five....? --if you don't mind saying.

And, it does take months and months to recover....give it time, take it easy.... :) Glad you are here.

325 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:23:59pm

What's up with the font on the nics? Some sort of Times New Roman? Also, those that are blue are underlined.

326 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:24:17pm

Omaha Beach is a Quagmire!

327 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:32pm

re: #319 FrogMarch

re: #313 jcm

re: #310 storagemanager

Chen...Listen to what Jonh Bolton is saying

...."simple logic" suggested North Korea and Iran could have outsourced nuclear development "to a country that is not under suspicion" - namely Syria. Tellingly, he added: "Why would North Korea protest an Israeli strike on Syria?"


I think Syria was doing it for Iraq and Iran. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

Draft Bolton '08.

No wonder the Dems hate him. He's smart and useful and wants to do good things!

He sees things as there are, not as utopians wish them were. Such a simple statement requires action, and they are adverse to action. They fear that he is right, and if he is right their world view is wrong. They fear him because he present a danger to their world view.

328 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:33pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

you should have been here last year......this is a great site....and we are lucky to be here...Charles is the season ...to the treason....he opens eyes.

329 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:34pm

Constitution ammended so Musharraf can run again...

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]

330 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:34pm

Bush refuses to read anything except disinformation from the proven idiots at the CIA and FBI. And the State and Justice Departments could not run a Dairy Queen, sigh.

331 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:47pm

re: #274 meMarc

These two houses show that the more you have in the spirit, the less you need in the material world.

signed,

Ojoe the architect.

332 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:26:50pm
333 Q-Burn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:27:13pm

re: #304 DesertSage

re: #302 FrogMarch

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?

Yeah - I don't remember Cheney saying that, either.

You mean Chen's making stuff up again?

I think Chen was referring to this 1994 interview.

334 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:27:40pm

Charles - what are you doing?!

I think maybe one of the hamsters got loose.

335 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:27:47pm

re: #112 wrathofG-d

A bit early for Yom Kippur! :)

336 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:28:12pm

re: #330 pat

Bush refuses to read anything except disinformation from the proven idiots at the CIA and FBI.

You know this how?

I agree with you on State, btw.

337 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:14pm

re: #333 Q-Burn

re: #304 DesertSage

re: #302 FrogMarch

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?Yeah - I don't remember Cheney saying that, either.

You mean Chen's making stuff up again?

I think Chen was referring to this 1994 interview.

I had not heard that, Q-burn. I stand corrected.

338 ContraJihadi  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:26pm

re: #38 nonic

WASHINGTON – An American television evangelist has turned the tables on al-Qaida terrorist leader Osama bin Laden – sending him a video message warning him to repent of his sins and convert to Christianity.


Ha! He may be Christian, but he sure shows a lot of hutzpah.

339 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:42pm

re: #335 NY Nana

I have seen him take it very much to heart. All year long. :)
He's a good 'un! :)

340 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:44pm

re: #332 mama winger

Quagmire Quackmire

Disco Duck?

341 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:51pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

Actually, the men and women who serve in our armed forces are thete by choice, not conscription. Perhaps you left out the word "not"

my 2¢

342 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:53pm

re: #311 DesertSage

Same here. He was really great about one thing, but seeing the LGF Watch schtick, etc.?

Sad.

343 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:54pm

re: #309 mama winger

What happened to the WMD?

Sandy Burglar stuffed them in his socks.

Sandy will do anything for his masters, the Clintons.

344 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:54pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Omaha Beach is a Quagmire!

The Revolution is a quagmire, and that fool Washington wants to attack Trenton the day after Christmas!

345 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:29:55pm

Things that make you go hrmmm... this guy is one of the heads of the Deoband Mosque council in Pakistan, recently got in a screaming match with the Lal Masjid contingent:

Unidentified assailants shot dead Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam leader and Wafaqul Madaris Vice Chairman Maulana Hassan Jan in the jurisdiction of Yakatoot police station here on Saturday, police said.

SSP Tahir Khan said the assailants took Hassan from his house on some pretext during Iftari and later killed him at a deserted place in the Wazir Bagh area. Peshawar Nazim Haji Ghulam Ali quoted Hassan’s relatives as saying that some people came to his house on Friday and requested him to solemnise a marriage on Saturday. Hassan, a former MNA, also issued a fatwa against suicide attacks.

AP adds: He along with a group of Pakistani clerics traveled to Afghanistan in 2001 to convince Mullah Omar that he should expel Osama Bin Laden from Afghanistan to avoid American attacks.

346 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:30:24pm

re: #334 FrogMarch

A real hamster could power a simple, small computer.

347 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:30:40pm

"there"

PIMF

Charles should ding us for having to write "PIMF".

348 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:30:40pm

General Chen Surrenders!

349 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:31:17pm

re: #344 jcm

Life is a quagmire, we should not expect more.

350 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:00pm

re: #349 Ojoe

re: #344 jcm

Life is a quagmire, we should not expect more.


What....you don't think you are getting alive?

351 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:13pm

re: #337 mama winger

re: #333 Q-Burn

re: #304 DesertSage

re: #302 FrogMarch

Cheny called WHAT a quagmire in '94? When do you think this war started, anyway?Yeah - I don't remember Cheney saying that, either.

You mean Chen's making stuff up again?

I think Chen was referring to this 1994 interview.

I had not heard that, Q-burn. I stand corrected.

Cheney was sort of right about us being all alone. But in hindsight I think there are many who think we should have stayed and finished the job instead of facing it now. oh well. So it's now. Will the left just shut up and let us win?

i guess that's too much to ask.

352 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:21pm

The only thing the muslim fanatics respect is action. Military action. If Bush has done nothing else, he has shown the muslim world that we will act in our own interests, and protect our own people. If need be, we will bomb you and we will kill you. I think that is much preferable to strategically targeting aspirin factories, and letting islamofascists blow holes in our Navy ships in ports abroad without taking action.

353 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:23pm

re: #336 mama winger

Because Bush himself has said he never reads the Newspaper, never watches the news and relies upon the daily briefing. Half an hour. And it is not only he. Chertoff seems to know nothing of Islam. crime stats if illegals, or even the status of the border fence project.

354 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:24pm

re: #350 storagemanager

re: #349 Ojoe


re: #344 jcm

Life is a quagmire, we should not expect more.


What....you don't think you are getting out alive?
355 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:32:36pm

Skippy the Hamster currently has a job powering a night light. Perhaps Charles could induce him to switch jobs with a decent options package (i.e., optional extra kibble)...

356 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:33:12pm

Quagmire Quagmire Help Help!

LOL

Later I'll see my dad again.

Talk to Lincoln

Elizabeth Tudor

It will be fun...

357 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:33:51pm

re: #353 pat

re: #336 mama winger

Because Bush himself has said he never reads the Newspaper, never watches the news and relies upon the daily briefing. Half an hour. And it is not only he. Chertoff seems to know nothing of Islam. crime stats if illegals, or even the status of the border fence project.


They know the danger.....What Bolton is saying is part of the plan....just wait...they know.

358 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:34:20pm

re: #346 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #334 FrogMarch

A real hamster could power a simple, small computer.

My computer is running on fumes. poor thing.
I'd could use a hamster right about now.

359 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:34:23pm

re: #339 Ma Sands

But Sharmuta is one of the nicest people...

And for Jews, Yom Kippur is a time when we apologize for offending anyone during the year.

Oy! I better dictate my list! :) Can't type that much!

360 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:34:51pm

re: #357 storagemanager

Everyday. I look up everyday.

361 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:35:27pm

re: #359 NY Nana

A fine tradition!

The best!

362 sa trawler  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:35:45pm

Let's see, we fight them over there so we know how to fight them over here when the DemoRATS win.


/*spit*

363 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:35:45pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

Charles, Lizards. I do appreciate the fact that Charles allows just about anyone to leave their .02 on this blog. I am all for "Agreeing to Disagree". After all, intelligent debate requires several points of view. Otherwise, this blog would stagnate and "Preaching to the Choir" would be an understatement. However there is a contingent present that shies away from the fact that war is no walk in the park, nor is war a situation solved in an hour's time as in tv shows. This war that we are engaged in, is by far the cleanest war we have entered. Yes there are dead but, any military action runs the risk of injury and yes most likely death. The men and woman who serve in our armed forces are NOT there by conscription. They chose to be there, to serve our country and unselfishly sacrifice their jobs, their time with their loved ones. They know the risks involved.

Now I don't agree 100% with what Bush does but than again, everyone of us would be foolish not to question Bush or anyone else who serves as POTUS. Interesting enough those who criticize Bush the most have no clue what it's like to run a business let alone this country. Bush is not Hitler, Bush does not want to control our lives by spying on us. Bush has made some mistakes and you know what? The poster Child for the LLL actually made more mistakes by not getting bin laden while he had the chance.

There are are few commenters here who are thinned skinned, never got their noses bloodied in an after school fight. To those commenters I say think before you post your ludicrous comments. I see many occasions where people treat one and other with great respect and I also see times when it looks as if the piranhas are feasting on the the kill.

/my observation

sorry about that, I forgot the word not (in bold) above. I thought I PIMFed it with a fine toothed comb.

364 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:36:04pm

Hrmmm -- Still trying to figure out if this was an inside job:

Tarbela suicide bomber’s head found

ISLAMABAD: Police have found the head of a suspected suicide bomber who killed around 16 army commandoes at a base in Tarbela on Thursday, local TV channels reported.

Most of the victims were officers from an elite counter-terrorism force, the Special Services Group, who were having dinner when the bomber blew himself up in their dining hall. Local TV reported that the troops targeted at the barracks took part in the raid against Lal Masjid, which killed around 90 students and 11 soldiers.

Geo television reported that police were allowed to enter the site of the blast for the first time on Saturday at 11am to participate in the investigation. A guard, Ismail, told police that he saw a bearded youth wearing white clothes and a white cap heading towards the soldiers’ mess on a bicycle. He said he thought the boy was taking food for the soldiers, but there was a huge blast that destroyed the main hall after the boy entered the mess. According to police, the body of the bomber was divided into two parts.

365 markie  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:36:52pm

re: #5 MandyManners

And our Gramscian Whores of the Caliphate just pitch right in!

Here's the anti-dote.

I prefer the CAIR remix.

Just remember: Our cold, dead hands.

366 Q-Burn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:36:56pm

re: #351 FrogMarch

The war went well, it's the Muslim democracy social engineering project that's a quagmire.

367 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:37:23pm

OK, I'm sloooooow. Charles seems to have changed the font and size of our nics, etc.

Good morning, everyone!

368 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:37:52pm

Moonbat's eye view of counter protesters.....
Washington DC Anti-War Protesters

Look at those horrible oppressive flags!

369 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:38:09pm

The Sauds are holding the exiled Nawaz Sharif incommunicado:

Nawaz Sharif is being denied outside contact in Jeddah, and all communication links to Sharif Palace have been severed and no one is allowed to meet him, Dawn News reported on Saturday.

According to the channel, opposition leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who arrived in Jeddah on Friday, tried to meet Sharif but failed. Authorities outside Sharif Palace did not even allow Fazl to call Nawaz on his cell phone, the channel added.

Security around Sharif Palace has been tightened. The channel said that MMA leader Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haidry will also reach Saudi Arabia presently for Umra and plans to meet Sharif, but will most likely not be allowed to. Sharif will remain under the current conditions until elections – both presidential and general - are over in Pakistan, the channel reported.

370 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:38:11pm

re: #341 Ojoe

Sometimes it's the details that get you---PIMF ugh

371 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:38:12pm

re: #367 NY Nana

OK, I'm sloooooow. Charles seems to have changed the font and size of our nics, etc.

Good morning, everyone!

Mine looks the same. Or I am blind. Probably the latter.

372 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:39:29pm

I have to vacuum before the second game of the Cubs double-header starts. My house should look good if we get into the play-offs.

bbl

373 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:39:50pm

Of course Bolton knows.That is why he is no longer there. The Dems don't want to ruffle Muslim feathers. But Bush is not aware of the Saudi threat. Not at all.

something lighter. Do Ya, the ELO.

374 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:40:08pm

re: #318 kreigwagon

I agree with the sentiment, and I'll add my $.02.

I like to watch the sunday AM political talk shows and the best ones are the ones with conservative and liberal pontificators that are both given the chance to say their piece. Chris Wallace's show is the best (liberals are jelous of that). The ABC sunday morning show is the worse. The shows on MSNBC and FNS are often ridiculous because everyone is shouting over everyone else. LGF is a conservative leaning audience, but to be a good blog - like being a good talk show - you can't just shout each other down when someone says something that you disagree with.

375 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:40:20pm

HAMSTER PATROL

376 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:40:55pm

re: #371 mama winger

re: #367 NY Nana

OK, I'm sloooooow. Charles seems to have changed the font and size of our nics, etc.

Good morning, everyone!

Mine looks the same. Or I am blind. Probably the latter.

They changed then switched back, Charles is trying to Gaslight us. ;-)

377 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:41:30pm

Mama Winger

Thanks! Yes, it's brand new~


/Will check out the error message~

378 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:41:53pm

re: #347 Ojoe

"there"

PIMF

Charles should ding us for having to write "PIMF".

Another feature should be an automated PIMF with a button that comes up with the caption: ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE READY TO POST?

379 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:42:14pm

re: #361 Ojoe

It really is...and it makes one look deeply into oneself...and although hard to do, there is a feeling of a fresh start...but darn, I find that I still have a lot of 'splainin' to do each year!

380 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:42:42pm

re: #344 jcm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

Omaha Beach is a Quagmire!

The Revolution is a quagmire, and that fool Washington wants to attack Trenton the day after Christmas!

Thought it was ON Christmas Day. (The Crossing)

Back on topic. The first I heard that "islam would take over the world" was in sep 1968, at college, from two "brothers" who'd overheard my mentioning that I'd read both Mein Kampf and the islamic holy war manual, and subsequently engaged me briefly in discussion. I told them they were wrong.

381 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:43:08pm

re: #364 Thanos

Reminds me of these rocket launches:

Bowling Ball Launching

382 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:43:24pm

re: #369 Thanos

Why?

Sorry....I've gotten behind --last I heard, he was on his way to Pakistan, and the airport was being heavily guarded......why, too, was he going back to Pakistan? .....so sorry --I am quite awash this past week.....

383 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:43:25pm

re: #371 mama winger

Meet me at the Ophthalmologist on Monday?

384 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:43:35pm

Afternoon Ginn. I am painting. :(

385 easy  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:44:33pm

I'm sure that this has been posted, but as a reminder, contact your Senator.

S. 774: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2007

386 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:45:03pm

Bye all. got to do some work.

387 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:45:04pm

re: #373 pat

Of course Bolton knows.That is why he is no longer there. The Dems don't want to ruffle Muslim feathers. But Bush is not aware of the Saudi threat. Not at all.

something lighter. Do Ya, the ELO.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

The threat is from the Islamic republic of Iran,North Korea and the wanna be Cesar of Latin America..Hugo...with hugs and kisses from China and Russia....Saudi Arabia is just the boogie man.

388 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:45:56pm

re: #330 pat

Bush refuses to read anything except disinformation from the proven idiots at the CIA and FBI...

Really? Bush refuses? And you know this how? Are you saying that when Gen. Petraeus presented his report on Iraq, Bush refused to read it? Or when his National Security Advisor hands him his daily report, George folds it into an airplane and throws it back at him?

389 Thanos  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:46:07pm

re: #382 Ma Sands

re: #369 Thanos

Why?

Sorry....I've gotten behind --last I heard, he was on his way to Pakistan, and the airport was being heavily guarded......why, too, was he going back to Pakistan? .....so sorry --I am quite awash this past week.....


He got arrested on past corruption charges as soon as he landed, then got deported. The Sauds took him back, they are a bit miffed that he went back against their advice. His wife, and humorously enough, Musharraf's wife, are standing in their stead in the elections.

390 realwest  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:46:13pm

re: #374 DeafDog Hey sorry to be late to the conversation and this is necessarily a drive-by, but in my experience most LGFer's don't just "shout down" others when they disagree.
In fact, I'd wage that most LGFers try to find the point(s) of disagreement and discuss them!
Sorry, but as I said this is a drive by.
Hope to see y'all later on!

391 gettinby  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:46:16pm

re: #374 DeafDog

you can't just shout each other down when someone says something that you disagree with.

When this happens, it's called marriage.

;)

392 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:46:24pm

Re Hamster Power: "Skippy is good for 200 milliamps". At 1.2 volts that is around 240 mw.

So you would need between 4 and 5 hamsters to power the IBM Kilocore ultra-efficient CPU.

Figure a couple more to power some ancillary devices, and I bet you could have a working LGF server with < 10 hamsters. It wouldn't be too fast or handle many users, but at least it would work.

393 easy  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:46:55pm

re: #324 Ma Sands

re: #316 easy

Ah. Thanks.......one, two, three, four, or five....? --if you don't mind saying.

And, it does take months and months to recover....give it time, take it easy.... :) Glad you are here.


Five, with a double jump on one they tell me.

394 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:47:00pm

re: #363 kreigwagon

It was VERY much known what you meant, by context, however......don't worry. :)

395 FrogMarch  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:47:31pm

re: #366 Q-Burn

re: #351 FrogMarch

The war went well, it's the Muslim democracy social engineering project that's a quagmire.

Social engineering is what left-wingers do to their own countries. In Iraq we are attempting to insert generic democracy that will synchronize with the Muslim population. It may not be possible. It may. That's why we are NOT in charge - the Iraqis are. It's a bit messy - but most fledgling democracies are.

I have faith.

bbl - going out for a walk.

396 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:47:31pm

re: #388 Kenneth

re: #330 pat


Bush refuses to read anything except disinformation from the proven idiots at the CIA and FBI...

Really? Bush refuses? And you know this how? Are you saying that when Gen. Petraeus presented his report on Iraq, Bush refused to read it? Or when his National Security Advisor hands him his daily report, George folds it into an airplane and throws it back at him?

lol...i like that ....still laughing

397 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:47:57pm

re: #387 storagemanager

I disagree. I see no threat from Chavez at all. The saudis are still funding Al Quaeda all over the world and have radicalized most of the Mosques. They and Iran are the enemies of the west.

398 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:49:13pm

re: #380 abolitionist

The crossing was late on the 25th and the attack early on the 26th.

399 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:49:32pm

re: #387 storagemanager

re: #373 pat


Of course Bolton knows.That is why he is no longer there. The Dems don't want to ruffle Muslim feathers. But Bush is not aware of the Saudi threat. Not at all.

something lighter. Do Ya, the ELO.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]


The threat is from the Islamic republic of Iran,North Korea and the wanna be Cesar of Latin America..Hugo...with hugs and kisses from China and Russia....Saudi Arabia is just the boogie man.

It seems to me that lumping Hugo and NK together with the Islamo-facists is a mistatke. They are different threats. hugo is a pest with oil. NK is a basket-case leader with a strong military tradition behind him. The islamo-crazies are the real problem.

And the problem with this sort of analysis of the Islamo-facists is that they are not a state, per se, as we usually think of them. It's a

400 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:49:36pm

re: #386 Ojoe

A likely excuse! :)

401 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:50:10pm

re: #398 jcm

Ok, thanks.

402 DesertSage  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:50:10pm

The MSM tells us that two thirds of the American people want us out of Iraq tomorrow.

The only top tier candidates on either side that agree that we should withdraw immediately are Obama and Edwards.

If what the MSM is telling us is true, shouldn't Obama and Edwards have approval ratings around 70%?

403 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:50:16pm

re: #385 easy

I'm sure that this has been posted, but as a reminder, contact your Senator.

S. 774: Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors Act of 2007

This is a sore subject here. There are a lot of us here who are paying or will be paying college tuition for our kids. It should be Americans first, then the others if there is money left over in the pot.

Btw, my wife and have done something that the LLL won't do and that is set up college funds when our kids were born. Imagine that, saving up for your kids' future without having to depend on Uncle Sugar.

404 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:50:49pm

re: #390 realwest

re: #374 DeafDog Hey sorry to be late to the conversation and this is necessarily a drive-by, but in my experience most LGFer's don't just "shout down" others when they disagree.
In fact, I'd wage that most LGFers try to find the point(s) of disagreement and discuss them!
Sorry, but as I said this is a drive by.
Hope to see y'all later on!

Yep. I was just say'n. Preaching the choir.

405 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:51:44pm

re: #376 jcm

Missed that film..not appropriate for a then-6 year old. :)

406 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:51:54pm

re: #397 pat

re: #387 storagemanager

I disagree. I see no threat from Chavez at all. The saudis are still funding Al Quaeda all over the world and have radicalized most of the Mosques. They and Iran are the enemies of the west.

You see not threat from Hugo?.....I am sorry....I can't argue with someone...unless they see the danger....do some reading...get informed....Hugo is funding and helping...oh nevermind...have a nice night.

407 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:52:17pm

re: #394 Ma Sands

re: #363 kreigwagon

It was VERY much known what you meant, by context, however......don't worry. :)

Yes I know, but I do some editing for money...oh boy....

408 pat  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:52:35pm

re: #402 DesertSage

That statistic is very suspect, as you say. I think the post Vietnam withdrawal argument has gained traction.

409 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:52:56pm

re: #405 NY Nana

re: #376 jcm

Missed that film..not appropriate for a then-6 year old. :)

It's really pretty good. "Gaslight" entered the vernacular for a while, and has drifted out again.

410 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:53:07pm

re: #389 Thanos

Okay. Thanks. Quite a place, that country....

411 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:55:59pm

Now if Charles wants to use a Sun Fire x2100 server -- which is a little more realistic for hosting the real LGF -- then he would need to set up a hamster maquiladora containing some 960 hamsters.

I smell union reps already...

412 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 4:59:14pm

re: #406 storagemanager

re: #397 pat

re: #387 storagemanager

I disagree. I see no threat from Chavez at all. The saudis are still funding Al Quaeda all over the world and have radicalized most of the Mosques. They and Iran are the enemies of the west.

You see not threat from Hugo?.....I am sorry....I can't argue with someone...unless they see the danger....do some reading...get informed....Hugo is funding and helping...oh nevermind...have a nice night.

That and Chavez is arming, and in bed with Dinnerjacket (don't go there). The Shahbaz 3 might have a range of 5500km, the distance from Caracas to New York... 3429km.

413 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:00:15pm

re: #411 Pro-Bush Canuck

Now if Charles wants to use a Sun Fire x2100 server -- which is a little more realistic for hosting the real LGF -- then he would need to set up a hamster maquiladora containing some 960 hamsters.

I smell union reps already...

Did you say Sun Server?

414 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:01:40pm

What just happened? The hamster got sick?
LGF just disappeared from view.

415 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:02:10pm

re: #391 gettinby

Hello. :) realwest did faithfully deliver the message concerning you. :)

416 mama winger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:03:03pm

oh - user names are way little now

bad for old eyes

417 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:03:27pm
418 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:03:29pm

New thread---->

419 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:03:37pm

re: #414 kreigwagon

I had to reopen a new browser, too.

420 Ma Sands  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:04:04pm

re: #393 easy

Glup! That's the highest number I've ever heard of.........we are so fortunate you are here still, with us. Thanks for telling me.

421 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:04:40pm

re: #419 DeafDog

re: #414 kreigwagon

I had to reopen a new browser, too.

Charles must be training a new hamster :)

422 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:05:26pm

re: #397 pat

While I objected to your exageration about Bush's apparent obliviousness, I have to agree with you about Saudi Arabia. They are not a direct military threat like Iran, nor are they directly involved in supporting & directing terrorists. But there are many Saudis who fund other terror groups, and the Saudi gov't does indeed fund extremist Wahabi mosques, madrassas and propaganda throughout the world. This constitutes a subtle, under-the-radar threat, but in the long run it may be more dangerous than either Al Qaeda or Iran.

Hugo? He's a pest with oil, sure, but he's also getting very chummy with the Chinese & the Iranians. If you thought Cuba was a thorn in the US side or a real threat, imagine Cuba with oil wealth. That's Hugo's Venezuela. Fortunately, he's his own worst enemy and eventually his people, or his neighbours will smack him down.

423 insanity police  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:05:32pm

The Muslim Brotherhood is a plague. Let us eradicate it form the country before it spreads beyond our control.

424 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:07:18pm

International law experts say Syria may find itself vulnerable to UN sanctions if evidence proves it received nuclear materials from North Korea – in violation of treaty

425 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:08:02pm

re: #409 jcm

I actually might have seen it at some point...can't remember!

But 'Gaslight' definitely is familiar.

426 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:08:02pm

re: #411 Pro-Bush Canuck

Now if Charles wants to use a Sun Fire x2100 server -- which is a little more realistic for hosting the real LGF -- then he would need to set up a hamster maquiladora containing some 960 hamsters.

I smell union reps already...

I hear hamsters are very popular in San Francisco.

427 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:08:48pm

re: #416 mama winger

Oh, do I ever agree! I am actually having trouble.

428 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:09:02pm

re: #297 mama winger

re: #289 Killgore Trout


re: #283 mama winger

Best Caption: "Does this conspiracy theory make me look fat?"


Being fat - it's why they love the burka.

Yes ma'am! That's exacly right.

429 maxheadroom  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:09:35pm

Ya know what............come on down you Muslim freaking fuck..ups I'm about up to here with the threats.. the Allah Akbar..bullshit.. come to the corn husker state and tell everyone to bow to Muhammad.... HA! you all will get a AR -15 up your A@@$%% WHERE THE BEEF YOU MORONS...when is America going to stand up and tell these dysfunctional freaks to stick it?

430 tradewind  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:09:53pm

O/T but time sensitive... for C-Span watchers, Book TV is especially interesting tonight, with Dick Morris,(Outrage), the guy who wrote The Al Q'aeda Reader (Ibrahim something), Michael Ledeen,(The Iranian Time Bomb), some guy named Weiner who wrote Historians in Trouble, and the piece de resistance (emphasis resistance), Mo' Nimer's Islamophobia and Anti-Americanism(guess how he thinks they're linked). C-Span 2, now until.....

431 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:12:51pm

re: #424 Kenneth

International law experts say Syria may find itself vulnerable to UN sanctions if evidence proves it received nuclear materials from North Korea – in violation of treaty

"MAY"?!

If they are building nukes, too, then we better hope for some more certainty.

432 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:15:54pm
433 tradewind  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:16:21pm

re: #431 DeafDog

Oh noooooo, not the Dreaded UN Sanctions!**
Okay then, that oughta whip 'em right into shape.
/sarc alert/
** irony alert, un-sanctions.

434 Miss Trixie  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:18:18pm

{realwest} I left ya a smooochie on one of the other threads but here's another one anyway in case ya missed it *smooooooch* :D

Hey Pro-Bush - What snoo? Shoot me an email when you got a minute. :)

435 jcm  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:18:25pm

re: #433 tradewind

re: #431 DeafDog

Oh noooooo, not the Dreaded UN Sanctions!**
Okay then, that oughta whip 'em right into shape.
/sarc alert/
** irony alert, un-sanctions.

Calm down the get the STERNLY WORDED LETTER first.

436 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:19:01pm

re: #431 DeafDog

We're talking about a UN agency, so they "may" send the Syrians a strongly worded letter or they may not. Actually, the Syrian economy is is such bad shape, the threat of economic sanctions is a serious problem for them. I don't expect it would change their behavior for the better, but it might further weaken the regime.

I saw drop a JDAM down a certain chinless throat and be done with it.

437 tradewind  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:21:32pm

re: #435 jcm

You joke, but look how well they worked on Iran.
Not a peep out of 'em since.
Just sayin'.
/snort/

438 Ginn  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:21:58pm

re: #384 pat

Afternoon Ginn. I am painting. :(

(lol)

Hi pat!

439 NY Nana  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:26:58pm

re: #397 pat

Pat,

This goes back nearly a year: Hugo Chàvez and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are more than just pen pals. and is happening even as I type. They are dangerous. Very.

BBS...

440 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:29:11pm

The State Department craps out over genocide:

"We are opposed to the passing of the Armenian bill in Congress. In the case of this bill passing, those in Turkey who seek to keep a dialogue between the Armenians and the Turks will be silenced.” - Nicholas Burns, the third ranking official at the US state department, on Turkey-US relations

Ok, not quite as "silenced" as the 1.5 million Armenians murdered by the Turks in 1915-17.

441 DeafDog  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 5:37:56pm

re: #436 Kenneth

re: #431 DeafDog

We're talking about a UN agency, so they "may" send the Syrians a strongly worded letter or they may not. Actually, the Syrian economy is is such bad shape, the threat of economic sanctions is a serious problem for them. I don't expect it would change their behavior for the better, but it might further weaken the regime.

I saw drop a JDAM down a certain chinless throat and be done with it.

The actual punishment may be a strongly worded letter, or santions or maybe we'll send Nancy P to surrender and bow to "his excellency" That's not the point. The point is that if Syria accepted nuclear material from NK, there is no "may" about the fact that they broke the law. It was an egregious violation.

442 Kenneth  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 6:06:37pm

#441 DeafDog

The point is that if Syria accepted nuclear material from NK, there is no "may" about the fact that they broke the law.

Well, what they "broke" was a treaty signed with a UN agency, not quite the same thing as a real law. All they have to do is formally withdraw from the treaty and the UN can do nothing.

443 yah  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 6:12:17pm

I don't think the Islamic terrorists need to attack us again to destroy us. Our very own left will do it for them, and they know it.

444 grumpy old codger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 6:35:59pm

re: #443 yahYes, they've got Osama calling in plays from the sidelines.

445 grumpy old codger  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 6:37:19pm

re: #442 Kenneth

Abba Eban said it best. "International law is that law which the wicked do not obey and which the good do not enforce."

446 Carridine  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 6:42:16pm

The Muslim Brotherhood talks and acts is if there were no Baha'u'llah, as if Baha'u'llah had not yet come. In the few, very few recorded instances of public comment on Him and His Coming, the Brotherhood speaks as if He came to bring a mere set of laws (Kitabi-Aqdas/Book of Laws), demonstrating their abject ignorance of the true purpose of Christ's return,

'...unsealed, with the fingers of power and might, the choice wine of astonishment...'

He brought a new world order, and bullies, thugs and tyrants are NOT high in the Justice-based, courtesy-informed social order promulgated by the Glory of God.

447 OLDPUPPYMAX  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 8:02:14pm

Of course we've yet to hear a word about the trial, or the agenda of these sub-humans. Evidently our America loving media just doesn't want us to worry.

448 Aristogiton  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 8:12:16pm

Despite the vast complexity and ambiguity of the Liberal Mind, they never seem to change their minds much:

Gallup Analysis: Muslim Support for Terrorism is about Politics not Piety

449 leepro  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 9:12:50pm

re: #391 gettinby

re: #374 DeafDog

you can't just shout each other down when someone says something that you disagree with.

When this happens, it's called marriage.

;)

Does that mean the silent treatment is out?

>:(

450 leepro  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 9:18:25pm

re: #407 kreigwagon

re: #394 Ma Sands

re: #363 kreigwagon

It was VERY much known what you meant, by context, however......don't worry. :)

Yes I know, but I do some editing for money...oh boy....

OT
Krieg, would you add your email to your nic? I'd like to ask you about your editing job...

451 UncleSam  Sat, Sep 15, 2007 9:26:00pm

Time for the deportations to begin.
Yeah, I know, fat chance of that happening.

452 opnion  Sun, Sep 16, 2007 10:37:12am

They tell us what the intend for us. They do it because they consider themselves to be superior & Islam as inevitable.
They tell us and still there is a ruling elite who donot take them seriously and a community of "Progressives"that wishes to pander to them.
The Middle Class cannot be taken seriously because we are , well middle class.
We are delusional to believe that unsecured borders invite Jihadists to cross into the US even though they do.
It is this group of people that believe that Kerry is a hero & Petreaus is a betrayer


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