It must be a fake like the last one, except that it is just a joke and this was the cutest baby they could find and that the baby is growing up to be a hero Jew killin' freedom fighter, except that this is an Israeli fake.

Boy I Palestinian logic games.

The post above should say I 'love' Palestinian logic games"

I need proofread better.

and Roll the denials -

A joke, it was just a silly little joke, I mean Mustafah love playing with the Colt when his father isn't using it to take pot shots at the settlers, but my gosh, we never let him play with it while its loaded. His little fingers can't even reach the magazine release for goodness sakes!

And the assault rifle? No, no that is not ours, by any means. The man at the studio had it around for staged flag demonstrations, and he insisted! We weren't really comfortable with it at all!

A society that instills hatred before fine motor skills is just plain sick and wrong...

forgive me, but where can the rest of us get a "Happy Beaver" hat?

My God—does that cap really say “Happy Beaver?”

It DOES! Ugh!

A lame attempt at 'Hello Kitty' riches, perhaps?

Lets hope the kid doesn't have those guns around when he grows up, he's likely to go after his parents for taking a picture of him with that hat on!

It's hard to tell -- could be "Happy Prayer," or perhaps "Happy Raver."

Photos like these have replaced those creepy Hitler Youth pictures at the top of the "Humanity at it's worst" list. A culture that has so little regard for it's children is doomed.

No, scratch that, I think colo dave and Wind Righter are right.

What's scary about this pic is that the kid looks like he will grow up to be a mean son of a bitch... or he'll join the Palestinian Village People.

Now all he needs is some baby wipes and the costume is complete.

An assault rifle, an automatic, a clip full of ammo, and a Happy Beaver hat. It just doesn't get any better than this.

And these people think they're ready for their own, sovereign Palestinian state? Sheesh...

Well, at least Pops took the clip out.

A more serious comment:

Golda Meir, the former Israeli prime minister, predicted continued hostility until Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Israelis. This quote is usually considered in the context of the hatred which the Palestinians bear toward Jews. A photograph such as this causes us to consider their regard for their own children. Their own children. I have no great love for the Palestinians, yet I look at this picture and weep as I write this.

So true Ernie.

Does it really matter if it's a fake M16?

The assault rifle does look fake to me. But the handgun doesn't, and the clip is definitely real.

Where go gay Arabs hang out?

The Allah Cock bar.

The AP is right in this case. There is confirmation on the IDF web site that the rifle is, in fact, plastic. I have no idea how they know this, but I presume the original photo is more detailed than the web copy, and the IDF should know a real rifle from a plastic one.

Oh, by the way -- that handgun is quite real, though I'm not sure why IDF site calls it a "revolver."

the jews have been killing the palestinians long enough. they have to fight back with the only weapons they have.

Armed baby pictures! The path to eternal victory! Allah akbar!

Puh-leeez.

The problem isn't the Arabs' choice of weapons, but their choice of targets (or in this case, "soldiers.")

The rifle looks plastic, but dare I ask...

"Is there any difference in the intention of the picture whether the rifle is real or fake?"

It's Blue Light Specials on Baby Photos in the West Bank KMart these days, it seems, and every warped pair of blood-happy parents is decking out their toddlers for their eventual mind-twisting.

Why do the Palestinians think that they can excuse themselves by proclaiming these photos as a "joke"? If dressing your babies to emulate murderers is a joke, their society is still quite sick.

Hypothesis on the spate of pictures:

On tonight's "Dateline" (July 14), they brought together some of those Palestinian and Israeli kids who had been in the "Seeds of Peace" program a decade ago, where they brought teen-aged Israelis and Palestinians to the States and tried to inculcate the philosophy of peace into them.

One of the Palestinians and the one of the Israelis were brought together to talk it out. While both sides said stuff that made me, at least, uncomfortable, the Palestinian (now in his 20s) basically said that, in his opinion, no settler was a civilian, they were all war criminals.

Yet, when the Israeli asked him whether he (the Palestinian) was therefore prepared to kill him, the Palestinian guy couldn't say it. He said he'd be happy to evict them, to make them go back to Israel, but he couldn't look his counterpart in the eye and say, "Yes, I'd kill you."

I suspect that, at some level, perhaps more and more Palestinians were reacting this way, that at some level, interaction was sapping some of the hatred.

And these pictures indicate some of the response to that, i.e., we must inculcate the hatred, the fear, and the willingness to kill and to die early enough that that Palestinian would not have the compunctions or the humanity to hesitate (much less refuse to say) to kill.

I know the antigun blokes don't care if the M-16 is plastic, just the appearance is sufficiently horrible to trigger their exaggerated public distress.

Think back, guys, remember all the American kiddie pictures with yahoo hats and gunbelts - or the G.I. joe costumes with M-1s? Any society wants to exhibit virtue-as-defense-of-our-sacred-traditions, and they all start the kids at birth. How were the red diaper babies different? Didn't their parents glamorize armed struggle?

Ernie Pyle said the surest way to make a man a pacifist is to put him in the infantry. It isn't unlikely that if these Palestinian gunslingers end up defeated in a real shooting war (which they certainly do their best to provoke), the survivors might take a less extremist position toward their neighbors. Even the kiddies in the pictures.

But I forgot, they don't wear uniforms and have unit discipline and a chain of command. Guess they have to work up to it.

In other words, Dean, train the children early to see the Israelis NOT as human beings, NOT as people they could possibly find more in common with than not, NOT as anyone they should even talk to - but as targets, each and every one. From the newborn to the aged grandparents, all should be tolerated until they can be killed...

Man - can a society get sicker than that? Even our anti-Jap fevor of WW2 didn't span generations, and these folk are working hard on programming generations to come.

The "Happy Beaver" hat's a nice touch, though. Kind of softens the whole effect, sweetens the poison as it goes down.

J.

Ward, I'm worried about the beaver...

Kids in North America used to pose with Ronald McDonald. The abundance of these photos will no doubt be soon accompanied by a Pals McBomber mascot. After all, gotta start these kids off on the right note. They've even developed a new musical scale for the children's songs:

The Trouble Clef.

Old Macdonald had a gun.

E-I-E-I Oh.

And on his farm he had an explosives maker

E-I-E-I -OH!

With a bang, bang, here and a boom, boom there, Old MacDonald had a gun.

E-I-E-I-Oh-Oh!

This picture is pith and marrow of today's Islam - the only solutions Moslems see to change their total decline are universal terror and their unlimited population growth.

What's next?

Will we have to wear 3-D glasses!

"Nice 'Happy Beaver' hat."

"Thanks, I just had it stuffed last week."

I saw the Dateline NBC segment on the "Seeds of Peace" program, and was disgusted by the concept and the accompanying propaganda.

This was the worst idea that I had ever heard of - and a typical misunderstanding of the Arab mentality by feel-good liberals and "arms are for hugging" peaceniks.

It is based on a fundamental American liberal misperception of foreign policy; that wars are started because of a "lack of communication" between two sides, or some other Oprah-esque psychobabble. Thus, this theory goes, if the two sides can "bridge their differences" or start a grass-roots dialogue, or some other twaddle, wars won't happen and everyone can meet around the old campfire for a group hug and sing cumbaya. Of course, this "Seeds of Peace" program was started by an American, who mercifully shrugged off his mortal coil last week, thanks to the big C.

It has never dawned on this head-in-the-sand crowd that maybe wars occur for two simple reasons...(1) a lack of democracy (two democracies have never waged war against each other), or, failing that, (2) a lack of a credible deterrence.

Predictably, the Israelis that went to this program were the earnest, self-righteous types, eager to come to grips with the nation's possible shortcomings and interested in finding a solution to their problem...and of course, hope being what it is, they must have hoped that the solution wouldn't depend on (1) an Arab democracy across the border - because its an inconcievably long way down the road or (2) based on deterrence, because that doesn't give anyone a warm fuzzy feeling.

The Palestinians, clearly, not steeped in this culture of self-flagellation, walked away with the idea that Israelis were interested in peace. In the Arab mind, of course, negotiation and peace-making is only sought by the weak. The Israelis did themselves no favors by these types of programs - in fact, they did a great deal of harm. It led the Arabs to the only conclusion they could have drawn - that Israelis were weak, and this diminished their ability to maintain a credible deterrent threat.

"Seeds of Peace" is an excellent example of the road to hell being paved with the best intentions.

Lastly, I would prefer that people save their postings about Hitler being elected (true, but Germany in 1939 was not a democracy) or the South in the Civil War (this applies to inter-state conflicts, and besides, a good proportion of its citizens were in chains.)

Do you suppose there are any Palestinian parents who don't think this is just sick? I mean, is this truly the norm there now? Look at the expression on the little boy's face. He looks sad.

E. Nough:

Oh, by the way -- that handgun is quite real, though I'm not sure why IDF site calls it a "revolver."

Handguns are often referred to as revolvers, at least where I come from. Is that a strange reference?

The arab terroirsts who murdered WSJ reporter Daniel Pearl were sentenced:
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zulubaby writes:

Handguns are often referred to as revolvers, at least where I come from. Is that a strange reference?

I am not a gun expert, but I'm pretty sure a revolver is the kind of pistol where the bullets are held in a revolving cylinder (hence the name).

The photo provided by the IDF shows a pistol that uses a magazine that is inserted into its handle, with bullets fed upwards by a spring mechanism.

Do you suppose there are any Palestinian parents who don't think this is just sick? I mean, is this truly the norm there now? Look at the expression on the little boy's face. He looks sad.

Do you think they're not *human* or something? Of *course* there are parents that bemoan this state of affairs. Naturally, there's not enough, and those who disagree aren't vocal enough, but how can you actually ask this question straight-faced? Let's not forget that most people are on the side of sense.

Dean (#28):

"I suspect that, at some level, perhaps more and more Palestinians were reacting this way, that at some level, interaction was sapping some of the hatred."

I watched Dateline too, and I did not get that at all. It's interesting that we watched the same thing and perceived it so differently. I did not see it at his hatred sapping, but rather that he (the Palestinian) knew that the cameras were on him and was intimitaded by that. I think he toned down what he was really feeling because of the cameras.

He heard "settler', and the Israeli became target practice for him. His hatred for the Israeli was immediate and intense, if for no other reason than he was a settler. And he stated that his Palestinian friends were going to be angry with him for shaking an Israeli's hand.

ben (#36):

"I saw the Dateline NBC segment on the "Seeds of Peace" program, and was disgusted by the concept and the accompanying propaganda.

This was the worst idea that I had ever heard of - and a typical misunderstanding of the Arab mentality by feel-good liberals and "arms are for hugging" peaceniks."

I too was disgusted by the Dateline segment. I was just surprised that it wasn't hosted by Ashleigh Banfield (MSNBC). This was exactly the type of program she was doing while "on location" in the Mideast. Only difference being that she interviewed adults, and it was almost entirely from the Palestinian point of view.

The concept of 'Seeds of Hope' was an attempt to make Palestinians and Israelis human to one another. The possibility existed that those kids would learn to understand one another and maybe become friends. It’s evident that it failed horribly, but the idea had its heart in the right place.

The one Palestinian guy hesitated when asked if he would send his own child to the camp. He said that it was hard to form a relationship with someone, and then have it end abruptly.

I think the entire segment was a bloody stupid idea. It actually made me cringe and after watching it, I questioned what the point of it was.

E. Nough is correct. That is not a revolver. Handgun would be generic, but correct. Semi-auto or just plain "auto" would be correct. But it is not a revolver.

What a sad, sad child. I can't imagine why a photo like this wouldn't make Mona Baker "vomit" like she did when she saw the footage of the "massacre" at Jenin. Or the photos that were posted over at glennbeck.com last week. Horrible.

Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh got the death sentence for the murder of Daniel Pearl.

I'm shocked. I did not think that was going to happen.

RWN:

What is a revolver then?

I don't understand the difference.

Not that I like guns mind you, I'm just curious.

Now I understand why Arafat has all the baby wipes!

Gee, and some of you thought that he had some wierd hangup. He's just taking care of his troops.

A revolver has a cylinder thar revolves. Shells go into holes in the cylinder. The cylinder rotates to bring a new shell in front of the hammer. This rotation is usually accomplished by pulling the trigger.

A semi-automatic like the gun pictured has a magazine - shown in the picture. Shells are pushed up by a spring. Old shells are extracted after the round is expended by the slide which moves back to extract the empty casing and then moves forward to load a new shell into the firing chamber. The power to do this is provided by the recoil of the fired round (except for the first round which must be manually loaded).

Auto is slang. Semi-auto is the correct term. It is not an automatic weapon.

You have to pull the trigger each time you want to fire the gun.

You want to be careful about the terminology among liberals. You say auto and they think machine gun.

To zulubaby:

The key difference between a revolver and a semi-automatic is that a revolver requires a PERSON's action to move the next round into place, through a mechanical action (i.e., pulling the trigger moves the cylinder, which brings the next round into line w/ the barrel and the firing pin, etc.).

A semiautomatic requires no person's action OTHER than pulling the trigger to move the next round into line, because, as M. Simon notes, the recoil from the previous bullet ejects the cartridge casing, and allows the next round to move into place in the firing chamber.

A semiautomatic usually carries a larger number of rounds in the gun (7-13 or 15 rounds). A revolver usually carries only 5-6 rounds.

Revolvers are usually considered more reliable, because there is nothing to jam except under very extraordinary circumstances. A semiautomatic might jam (more moving parts).

It's a trade-off between higher volume of fire versus reliability, w/ a secondary trade-off of bullet caliber (since a revolver can be as large as a forty-four caliber round, a la Dirty Harry Callahan), whereas most semiautomatics are 9mm (although the US M-1911 Colt .45 is, of course, .45 caliber, and the Israeli Desert Eagle has a fifty-caliber bullet).

As for Dateline NBC, I was slightly heartened at the idea that the Palestinian, recognizing that his friends would be "unhappy" w/ him if he met a settler (which I interpreted ot mean he was at least at risk of being the object of Palestinian vigilantism), was at least willing to meet w/ the Israeli, and was not willing, to his face, tell him what he thought of him.

Yes, I recognize that this was being filmed, and that that affected things. OTOH, many of these suicide bombers are being filmed and, in the cases of the ones who don't go through w/it, have no compunction about saying that they are nonetheless primed to kill Jews.

One finds what little hope where one can.

But if you read my other posts, I don't think anyone should mistake me for some "Peace Now"-nik, either.

Thank you M. Simon

I still don't understand how you it wasn't a revolver just by looking at the picture, but I don't know anything about guns.

Hang on...sorry. I just read E. Nough # 40

I get it now. I looked at the picture again.

"If dressing your babies to emulate murderers is a joke, their society is still quite sick. "

I'm going to come straight out and say that when I saw this picture (and the baby suicide bomber) I burst out laughing. I sent it round work on the company email and most of my workmates had a good laugh too. Yeah, yeah yeah, I'm going to hell already so who cares :-)

Seriously, even the IDF say that the family are not militants... so what's the big deal? If you want examples of Western culture linking babies and violence, look at the "Child's Play" and "Child's Play 2" movies from a few years back. And remember those "Garbage Pail kids" collector cards from the '80s?

It's a bit crude and a bit sick, but all these comments implying that the Palestinians have descended to a uniquely barbaric state of cultural depravity are way off base...

Booyah, the difference between Chucky and Garbage Pail Kids and the picture above is that the former two are fictional - fake - and the latter is not.

I don't see many civilized people posing their babies with weapons of death, not even as a joke. Maybe it's just me, but I do not find the humor in babies made to look like terrorists.

The cycle of violence and hatred had to start somewhere. This is what perpetuates it.

yo! charles, dude! you scooped Drudge!

It's a bit crude and a bit sick, but all these comments implying that the Palestinians have descended to a uniquely barbaric state of cultural depravity are way off base...

Really? They have kindergarten graduation ceremonies that feature symbolic disembowelments. Done by hand.

I wouldn't call their level of barbarity "unique," but it does need to be destroyed by any means necessary, because it is impossible to have any kind of peace while it persists, short of all non-Islamic nations in the entire world being utterly annihilated as thoroughly as Carthage was by the Romans.

"Booyah, the difference between Chucky and Garbage Pail Kids and the picture above is that the former two are fictional - fake - and the latter is not."

Okay, I acknowedge your point, and of course I can tell the difference between fantasy and reality - no really I can...

But can you call the suicide bomber baby "real"? I mean, he/she (bless the little darling) isn't really a suicide bomber.

But can you call the suicide bomber baby "real"? I mean, he/she (bless the little darling) isn't really a suicide bomber.

Not yet, but within 15 years.

But can you call the suicide bomber baby "real"? I mean, he/she (bless the little darling) isn't really a suicide bomber.

You're missing the point.

It appears to many that the Palestinians have set up a society that idealizes the murder of innocent people -- namely Israelis. The PA television station(s) carry "childrens shows" that glorify attacks on Israeli school buses, that tell children how wonderful it is to die while killing Israelis. The PA and other terrorist organizations run summer camps that look like Hitler Youth camps reborn.

These pictures trouble people not because they actually show toddlers or pre-toddlers getting ready to commit violence, but because they show parents who want their children to become murderers.

Yes, yes, I know about Godwin's Law. But sometimes, mentioning the Nazis is important, because you're not CALLING someone a Nazi, but you're citing actual aspects of the German culture c. 1933-1945.

In this case, it is important to recognize what the Hitler Youth organization did to the Germans. Most importantly, it inculcated a level of fanaticism into the youngest portions of the German society, so that when it came time to fight, they were wholly in the thrall of the cult of Adolf Hitler.

In the fighting on BOTH East and West fronts, the Hitler Youth fought, in many cases, MORE fanatically than even the Wehrmacht units. One of the last photographs of Adolf Hitler shows him inspecting a squad of these boys, who appear to be no more than 17 in all cases (and some were clearly quite younger). These kids fought w/a fanaticism that sickened even the Wehrmacht professionals.

E.g., General Heinrici refused to have Hitlerjugend man positions, on the grounds that these children had no business trying to fight the Soviet juggernaut when they could make no difference. Despite this, they still fought, and they died where professionals would have surrendered (and survived).

The point of all this is that, even the HJ took in kids at an older age to work on their indoctrination (I believe you had to be something like eight). IF these photos are reflective of a broader reflex in society, then you are talking about, literally, inculcating hatred, fanaticism, loyalty to State "w/ their mother's milk."

AT A MINIMUM, this will have implications for any kind of peace deal. At worst, it could ensure that, no matter what hte diplomats sign or say, there will be a continuation of the war for decades, as these kids grow up.

The problem of guerilla warfare is always what to do with the criminals/guerillas after the war. Almost always the criminalelement is predominant among the guerillas.

Spain is still suffering 200 years later from the guerilla war waged against Napoleon.

France took 35 to 40 years to recover from the guerilla warfare waged against the Germans in WW2.

In fact 40 years seems to be the minimum time for a social system to reform. When you need to win a war at any cost that "any cost" can be terribly high. The payments often need to be made for generations. So sad.

The Shark (Stefan Sharkansky) has links to the Hamas photo album. Truly sickening shit.

Stefan also has some other great posts on there including digging up the address and phone number of the LAX terrorist whose wife wants to become a citizen. You may remember her recent rants about how her husband was murdered for being and Arab (not for murdering innocent people).

He is number 2 in my blog rankings next to LGF and I recommend reading him daily.

If a picture like this had been taken in this country, the local child welfare agency would have taken that child away from his parents lickety split on the grounds that giving a baby a real gun to play with is per se child abuse.

I completely agree with the idea expressed above that even if this picture was intended as a "joke," such a "sense of humor" reflects the sickness of the society.

The problem here is that this child's parents' motivation in posing him in this manner is part of the general indoctrination process that takes place in every institution of Palestinian society. Kids are taught from infancy to consider the use of weapons against Jews as completely normal. This doctrine is further reinforced throughout the children's schooling, in the media and in the mosques until the children are of an age to fulfill their destinies by using real guns on real Jews.

I find Palestinian society in general utterly disgusting and primitive. Everyone is sticking their fingers in their ears while sceaming, "I can't hear you!"

The pistol looks like a Browning Hi-Power. It looks like a real Browning, but the design is also licensed to several manufacturers around the world. It's a nice gun.

J Lichty:

I just read that link about the LAX terrorist's wife.

Is she really going to be granted citizenship?

Happy Beaver?...

HAPPY FUCKING BEAVER!!?...

Oy...

In our own society, I've seen pictures of 2 - 3 foot tall klansmen. That is equally as frightening!

Zulu: I don't know if she is going to be granted citizenship but given our State Department I would not be surprised.

I would email Stefan Sharkansky nad ask him, he is the one who is on top of the story, and was my source for that information.

Thanks J Lichty, I will do exactly that.

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This is from the Hamas Website. It shows a suicide bomber after an IDF preventive action, before he had a chance to blow himself up, I believe.

He looks damn good to me. Thank you IDF!

Thanks to Sharkansky for digging this up.

Barrel's a little short to be a Browning. Looks to me like a Star BK or BKM.

the gun is a plastic fake however,, i will tell you this the young man looks like his father before he used up the remaining stock of C-4 and killed ugly jew children who of course that looked ugly compared to his a little future terroirist Jihad holy figher baby.

I think this is unacceptable due to the fact it is teaching the child at an early age that it is okay to play with guns and that it is ok by the parents. Espescially when the child grow up and see this picture of himself. This will be the next Gang member, or the next robber, or the next murder..Parents think about what you are doing to your child. Why not give them postive hope like college or that they can be the next president and make a change..