What the hell is up with that website?

it's not really fair to consider indymedia as a unit. indymedia is an open newswire. anyone can post news on it. that's what makes indymedia so unreadable. it's more like metafilter than it is like cnn.

this article is the work of one wacko, not the indymedia news-staff (assuming they have one), or the indymedia community at large.

[for the record: no, i don't read indymedia]

I think it is time that one of our friends in a "New European" country with loosely defined hacking laws poisoned the DNS of the entire indymedia.org domain.

Preferably by pointing their authoritative DNS to North Korean nameservers.

But that's one man's opinion.

And as someone else said - when your enemy is hurting himself, don't try to restrain him.

Sick, sick, sick, sick. That falls way over the line!

More proof that the internet has become the primary outlet for the world's loons. Oh well, better they tell their incoherent ramblings to the world via a webpage instead of by hijacking a schoolbus.

#2, Same with al-Guardian's talkboard. They are congratulating this fuckwit for his "integrity" as well as trying to deny that he is a Muslim. They are also cheering Saddam's troops on openly although of course the "peace" protesters have all claimed to be anti-Saddam. (They also claimed to be anti-violence but we know they are in favor of violence if it is being done by the "right" people -- i.e. Saddam and Muslims.)

Most posters are Leftoid Brits, "Western" Muslims and other Leftoid Europeans.

Our society is well and truly fucked if we have people who think like this riddled through our society. These Leftoid fuckwits are truly sick bastards.

They deserve a one-way ticket to Baghdad. Godamn, I'm mad.

#4

Korora is right. Please take my post with a grain of salt.

Even if it would be a truly funny prank, and despite the fact that your fellow Bulgarian hackers would be buying rounds of Stella Artois for you after the fact.

It's just uncalled for.

OT : British ITN Reporter murdered by US Forces, along with 12 Iraqis trying to surrender.

I'm certainly shocked and awed. Shocked at the scale of killing and awed by the unbelivable stupidity of one 'friendly fire' incident after another. Funny how the victims have been mostly been British so far.

Oh well, this should help kill off any last modicum of UK support for your invasion.

Indymedia is a open newstaff, and its all wackos who proudly display their allegence to indy-allah, they are only borderline infidels submitting to indy-allah, a diety that resembles allah in everyway, but they deny worshiping the allah of islam. They hold the koran as a holy book more than the majority of peaceful moslems, and hold that it is the belivers duty to crush the infidel. They issue fatwahs against the unholy Great Satan, and belive once the US is destroyed everything will be a milk and honey paradise

/the above is not a joke in the least/

I was talking about those 2@#$ing creeps who think that any attempt on the life of a US soldier is justified. A number of people from my church are in the military and I think some are in Iraq helping free the people and land from Sadd*mn. So I'm a little ticked at the Indy-faceofreality dweebits.

"peaceniks" celebrating death... are they in a parallel universe ? calling them fuckwads is an insult to fuckwads. they need to be airlifted into Iraq, and dropped into a baby powder factory, and brutalised annally before they eat the powder.

Treason is patriotic!

Implying that IndyMedia is responsible for that aweful statement you posted is the same as implying that the owners of this fine web log are responsible for the occassional racist crap that arises on its message boards.

#9, your link says "Coaltion forces" not "US forces" and I didn't seen anything in it about 12 Iraqis trying to surrender.

#14 NC

Killing traitors is patriotic, too.

I know that this site doesn't attract too many Al Gore fans, but all the Indymedia types can congratulate themselves for this war by their cyrnical support of Nader or their defecting from electoral politics in favor of their anti-corporate slogans.

These people represent the height of intelluctual decadence and mendacity.

#9 Justin, where in the article you linked to did it mention murder by US Forces or surrendering Iraqis?

any American actively advocating the killing of an American soldier is commiting treason. period. Oppose the war if you will, but you get no respect whatsoever if you wallow in hypocracy advocating "peace" and "murder" in the same breath.

# 2 David

[for the record: no, i don't read indymedia]

naa, just a paid apologist?

# 9 Justin

Unless you're being sarcastic, you're full of crap. The link that you provide does not support your accusations.

Do your homework next time!

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

"If the US POW's are being executed then I'm sorry, but the Iraqis does have legal right to do that, after all, it is THEIR country we are invading."

#9 & #15,

Yes, and for that matter the link given gives no indication that the newsteam was intentionally fired upon - this was probably a case of misidentification on part of the coalition forces.

#17 DW

I agree. I know a couple of Nader backers. They are as paranoid as rats in a sewer filled with hungry alley cats.

I really wanted to vote for Gore but in the end I knew that he wasn't the man for the job. I voted Bush. First time I voted Republican in 25 years.

Every day I thank God that I had. The Dems have proven to be the worse of the two. Much worse.

#22

Thanks for the 411, Chest.

That's a disgusting and fallacious argument.

The Democratic party is going to have to change its name, logo and trademarks if this sh|t keeps going on. Not unlike Lucent Technologies' forced rebranding.

#23 -- Also, this guy was operating on his own. Anyone else remember all the warnings reporters got about running around the battlefield on their own?

Sad, but he knew what he was getting into.

Article III, section 3, US Constitution

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

Note the key phrases here...

adhering to their enemies and

aid and comfort

.

I think the only thing protecting these people is that we haven't declared with the word "war."

I just heard something about artillery shells with chemicals being found near "Al Kook" (phonetic). I wasn't paying close attention -- anyone else hear this?

Heard this hour on KSFO Mark Davis Show- name of shitbag waste of skin that KILLED one officer and wounded 14 others in grenade ambush (wrap that POS in a Pigskin) is named ASSAM AKBAR..just another peaceful muslim, right? INTERNMENT KAMPS for these fake "americans" for our protection and theirs. G-d curse them all.

Even if it would be a truly funny prank, and despite the fact that your fellow Bulgarian hackers would be buying rounds of Stella Artois for you after the fact.

It's just uncalled for.

No it isn't, these people need to be shunned, if that means taking their voice away, so be it, the internet is not a place protected by the US constitution, which these people obviously hate anyway.

The only way to make America the way they want to make it is to over throw the constitution- something they are at great efforts to do right now anyway.

I think the only thing protecting these people is that we haven't declared with the word "war."

Yes we have. Last October. A declaration of war doesn't have to use those words.

In any case, note the phrasing: "levying war or adhering to the enemy". Either/or. Both are not required.

No it isn't, these people need to be shunned, if that means taking their voice away, so be it, the internet is not a place protected by the US constitution, which these people obviously hate anyway.

In any case, that is not protected speech.

Justin,
Terry Lloyd was not embedded in any allied unit and was killed inside enemy territory. What the fuck was he doing there?

It's a war zone... Don't get me wrong, his death is regrettable but your spin is truly despicable.Why are you so full of hate, Justin? Are you one of those pseudo-pacifists scumbags who's enjoying the fact that people are dying on both sides of this war, so you can go on with your parody of pacifism?

I really wanted to vote for Gore but in the end I knew that he wasn't the man for the job. I voted Bush. First time I voted Republican in 25 years.

WOW, your a truly near unique individual, you must be one of the what, 6 or 7 people in the US outside Minnesota (a state he barely won) who voted for Mondale in 1984?

Hehe, must feel neat to be .....................................?

#22 Chest

You're kidding right? I was just a corporal in the Army and even I know the Geneva Convention.

Another note: The anti-war supporters are going to be gleeful about American soldiers being executed. They think it will demoralize US troops. History shows that nothing will give the US troops more strength and determination to annihilate the enemy than news that the enemy is executing US prisoners. Same for UK troops. Watch for payback. Big time!

#20: naa, just a paid apologist?i wish!

</broke>

Fuck this 'racism' feared accusation bullshit. Classic racism (race prejudice) the only racism that is true, is not applicable. Those who stand by the US (be they white, black, brown, orange or green) are humans, Insane Leftists (be they white, black, brown, orange or green) are subhumans. Indysubmitters, accuse all you want.

Justin hasn't responded.

Another "drive-by driveling."

#33 said

Are you one of those pseudo-pacifists scumbags who's enjoying the fact that people are dying on both sides of this war, so you can go on with your parody of pacifism?

This is well said. In a sick way, the worst of the anti-war movement wants civilian casualties and US military casualties. They blame the US for barbarism on the one hand and can tell the rest of us how wrong the war is. As I said before, Naderites must be pleased with the war because their support helped Bush in a big way. Now they can root for carnage in order to smugly feel vindicated.

re 31

I know that we've authorized military action, and that we have authorized "war" (note in quotes). My comment was specifically to the lack of the use of the word war. My suggestion was that because the Constitution specifically uses the word war and the resolution/law doesn't, that was the only thing protecting these people from treason. Skating by as a peacenik advocating the killing of our troops on semantics. That was my point.

Hey Rob B....

Interpret my comments any way you like. It would be terrible if such a thing happened, because it would take some time for indymedia.org to be restored to the correct name servers and in the meantime all child domains, such as sf.indymedia.org would not resolve to the proper websites.

That would be a really terrible thing to do to such an upstanding and patriotic organization. How truly unfortunate.

#22 try reading th geneva conventions on the treatment of POWS. You are an idiot.

OT: I'm asking any one who is as angry, outraged and disgusted as our family is today to contact the various new outlets and TV networks to protest their use of the iraqi TV propaganda. One network even broadcast the unit, first names and States where the captured service members were from before the forces were able to contact families. This is beyond belief. Please nail the B*%^$ds with an outpouring of email and snail mail. Aid and comfort to our enemies must not go unanswered

OT:

The BBC reports Iraqui forces are fighting between themselves in the north of the country:

1755: Kurdish commander says the battle near the town of Irbil in northern Iraq was between Iraqi soldiers trying to defect and the loyal army unit. Earlier reports said the fighting was between the Kurdish forces with support of US troops and the Iraqi army.

Also, a US convoy has come under attack from Iraqui forces near or around Nasiriya:

1905: US Lt-Gen John Abizaid tells a news briefing at the US military Central Command in Qatar that a US supply convoy has been ambushed by Iraqi troops near Nasiriya, with several US soldiers injured and 12 reported missing.

I just saw on ABC News that the guy's name is Asan Akbar. Imagine my surprise.

#9-

maybe this is what your referring to:

One defense official told Fox News that it was going to be a "long and painful road ahead." He said there has been no contact with a large Republican Guard unit. There are six Republican Guard units near Baghdad -- five surrounding the city and one unit farther north. The Defense official characterized the overall level of resistance as "light to moderate." He also said there had been an incident where Iraqi soldiers appeared to surrender but then open fired on U.S. forces. In his words, "they (Iraqis) paid dearly."

or this:

The coalition brigade raced day and night across rugged desert in more than 70 tanks and 60 Bradley fighting vehicles. At one point, the soldiers ran into an hours-long firefight, killing 100 Iraqi militiamen who confronted the Americans with machinegun-mounted vehicles.

it appears the gloves will now be comming off, haha.

Iraquis are forfeiting their rights under the Laws of War by acting in this way. If someone in the coalition ranks pulls the trigger from now on on Iraquis trying to surrender no one will be able to blame him/her:

Brig. Gen. Vincent Brooks said the ambush came after allied forces met a unit outside of An Nasiriyah that showed signs it was prepared to surrender. The forces came under fire while preparing to accept what appeared to be surrendering forces.

Americans Defeat Iraqis at Southern City

This evil garbage by "Indymedia" is undefendable. If you defend it in any way you are as evil as the bastard that fragged the troops. I am tired of being reasonable. Patriots should now be as unreasonable as the "anti-war" traitors. The cowardly traitors need to start suffering the consequences of their comments. Good Americans need to get together and start busting heads. If you think I'm an extremist, you're right. Its time to nuke the Bay Area. If you say you're a good American who happens to live there, I say bullshit. You're in the belly of teh beast you deserve the consequences. I like Mean Mr. Mustard but he needs to get out of there. If you aren't willing to support your country with your wallet then go to h**l.

#43 A. van

Dear God,

Please let this be true. We could use some good news today.

Amen.

#47 Avowed Whacko:

You have chosen your name well.

Disgusting, yes, but these types of outbursts -- and the conduct of the protesters -- are undermining the political power of the anti-war movement.

How can you pretend to be taking the high road when your supporters are obviously a bunch of unserious, spoiled, Columbine nihlists?

#46 A. van

You're right.

Now some Iraqi soldiers are going to needlessly die.

And the onus is on the Saddam Regime.

#47, Dude, please don't nuke Mean Mr. Mustard. He is a great daily read.

I understand your emotion though: these peace creeps have crossed the line. I truly have come to despise them. Before, I just vehemently disagreed and felt no small bit of pity for the brainwashed fools. Now, I hate them.

Here are the results of some of that surgical bombing.

#47 ranted:

"Good Americans need to get together and start busting heads. If you think I'm an extremist, you're right. Its time to nuke the Bay Area. If you say you're a good American who happens to live there, I say bullshit. You're in the belly of teh beast you deserve the consequences."

Good Americans need to get together and start busting heads. If you think I'm an extremist, you're right. Its time to nuke the Bay Area. If you say you're a good American who happens to live there, I say bullshit. You're in the belly of teh beast you deserve the consequences.

Where do we pick up our brown shirts?

Re: protestors and Naderites.

I know a Naderite. 54 years old. He travels around the country and participates in any anti-American rally he can afford to travel to. He's afraid of the "New World Order." He still refers to police as "pigs."

I believe that he identifies himself with the socialist Left because he does not have the social skills to interact in any other social environment. He is one nervous tick and stutter from being a Ted Kaszinsky (sp?).

I suspect that many of the protestors fit a similar profile.

#34

Yes, quite hilarious actually with Walter 'one state' Mondale. I am a resident of Minnesota, and grew up about 10 miles from where Mr. Mondale was born in Martin County. I don't know how he could have such distorted views. Although me and my fellow College Republicans here in Winona, will make sure Bush wins MN in '04, first time since '72 MN went Republican (correct me if I'm wrong).

Ray,

I hope so. But that's just another step forward. We don't know what's actually happening. I'm sure there're more battles raging right now in Irak, and I'm confident the troops of the Coalition we'll be able to surmount all those obstacles. It could very well be that while these troops were fighting it out in Nasiriya, the main thrust was a hundred miles ahead of them. So, perhaps we should focus on the main picture. And it looks bright so far, despite all the casualties in the rearguard and the fate of the POWs.

#54

I don't know about Brown shirts, but I do know where the "anti-war" folks can buy brown pants to hide their crap stains when their shitty karma comes flying back to them.

(Notice how sarcasm cuts both ways?)

david writes:

it's not really fair to consider indymedia as a unit. indymedia is an open newswire. anyone can post news on it. that's what makes indymedia so unreadable. it's more like metafilter than it is like cnn.

I think not. This appears on their front page:

Emergency protests in San Francisco have been going on since Wednesday night with no sign of slowing down. As soon as the attack on Iraq began, people began gathering in the streets. Resistance and outrage is growing against all of the system that keeps many people in this country homeless and without basic needs like health care and food, while attacking other countries to amass power and resources for the wealthy. Bay Area activists succeeded in shutting down the city on Thursday and a good part of Friday. The police responded inappropriately and, in some cases, brutally on March 21, making unprovoked arrests and beating many city residents. Over 2000 have been arrested so far, provoking a planned class action lawsuit against the city and the SFPD. Activists have called for continuing action in the streets throughout the weekend.

This coverage openly encourages vandalism and violence (with romantic words like "resistance"), and condemns the police for their "brutality." That's from the main site.

More from the SF Indymedia, including this gem:

[MONDAY 3/24]
*Direct Action Monday 7AM Justin Herman Plaza

"Direct Action" is a euphemism for violence. (As opposed to political opposition, which is indirect.) This is also on their main page, topmost.

There is also this, from the main Indymedia page:

Activists in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Traverse City and Grand Rapids have responded to the United States' attack on Iraq with a clear message: people would not be going about their business as usual during this unjust attack on an impoverished people, a decimated country, our constitutional rights, and international law. But they are using a variety of tactics to convey that message: direct action, rallies, marches, and troop blockades.

This is approvingly written up by the "michiganIMC editors."

Indymedia has been an organizing site for anti-American vandals and other forms of pondscum since it was founded. Not that I mind (I'm always glad when some band of lunatics voluntarily displays their drooling idiocy for the rest of us to observe), but let's please not make Indymedia out as some kind of totally neutral open publishing forum. It attracts left-wing nutballs because it is designed, financed, and run by left-wing nutballs.

(My apologies to pondscum everywhere.)

#57

You're right.

We're just seeing a slice of the pie.

And you know the news media ain't gonna report the successes when there is bad news to help them with their ratings.

Gotta go now.

byeeee......................

#53 Oh, good, Islamist propaganda from Al-Jazeera, your all-terrorist, all the time network.

At any rate, now people can see what happens when you fire thousands of rounds of anti-aircraft artillery into the night sky over a crowded city. What goes up must come down.

#9 Justin

Oh well, this should help kill off any last modicum of UK support for your invasion.

Hi. I'm in the UK. I support my invasion.

Idiot.

remember the LGF prayer...remember the LGF prayer...

Patriot Boy,

How do you know those are are victims of the American led bombing campaing? why should we trust this footage from "Al-Yassira"?

For all I know they could as well be vicitims of Saddam's own forces. He's done it before, why wouldn't he bomb them if he could win the propaganda war this way?

BTW, here's a pic of the US Marines spraying the words "SEMPER FI" on a building with... a Palestinian flag!

[Link: us.news2.yimg.com...]

#60:

And you know the news media ain't gonna report the successes when there is bad news to help them with their ratings.

Yes, I've noticed that the US media hasn't mentioned the 10 Marines killed in combat at An Nasiriyah

"Its time to nuke the Bay Area."

Avowed Whacko and Al Qaeda want the exact same thing. And this comment isn't anti-American? Calling for the death of millions of Americans is beyond beyond, folks.

InMarin (#66)

Avowed Whacko is trolling.

I believe that he identifies himself with the socialist Left because he does not have the social skills to interact in any other social environment. He is one nervous tick and stutter from being a Ted Kaszinsky (sp?).

I have thought about this. 280M peeps in the USA, a certain percentage are irretrievably mentally ill, probably enough so that when they all stand together, they look like something significant. Looking at the protest pictures and the Maloney interviews, the paranoia evident there, it's pretty obvious where Indymedia and democrats.com get their foot soldiers.

The grenade attack that took place today in Kuwait is alleged to be committed by another AMERICAN SOLIDER. Repeat. The Grenade attack today was an example of Fragging--not a terrorist attack. This shows that RESISTANCE and REBELLION ARE ON THE RISE! Watch the American Free Press downplay and try to bury this incident. Support our Troops--but only those who Frag their commanding officer.

Is there a thickness gene that only effects leftwhingers in the Bay area (which is a bit like France lovely place shame about the people)? You can just imagine them deciding on what to post.

'Hey Brad what shall we post to persuade people to be anti war?'

'Well how about a rant about how good this attack injured 16 soldiers, 11 seriously is?'

'Oh that will not make us look rabid and mentally ill'

'Not at all'

US Military has Gotten Orders on Properly Spinning this as a Non-Muslim Thing

The soldier in custody was identified Sunday as Sgt. Asan Akbar of the 326th Engineer Battalion. Fort Campbell, Ky., spokesman George Heath said Akbar had not been charged with any crime. He did not release Akbar's hometown or say how long he had been in the service.

Heath said Akbar had been "having what some might call an attitude problem" and the attack hasn't been linked to Akbar's Islamic faith

Apparantly, part of his "Attitude problem" was to go around and say that a war on Muslims was wrong, that Allah would be offended.....

Nah, nothing to do with what Dubya keeps saying is "Peaceful Islam"..Yep, not linked to his faith in ANY way....just one of those unexplainable aberrant acts...like 9/11...like the DC snipers.

No matter, the Army PR folks will spin this as ordered. They are not likely to be very good at it...so it will be fun to watch the real civilian press spinmeisters try sweating Akbar's "Muslim" beliefs & details out of Army
PR people under orders to "minimize" the Muslim angle. Count on the civvie press to check in with the traitors fellow soldiers and Mosque-mates on any juicy infidel-despising or American-hating ways of Sgt Akbar.....while NOT discussing any whitey-hating he may have expressed (after all, MOST Black Muslims hate whitey to some extent...that's normal)

#66 I don't know about you,but looking at your post, I'd consider changing my address to out'a Marin

Last night LA indymedia had all kinds of nasty comments.

[Link: la.indymedia.org...]

But at least they're arguing amongst themselves about whether all U.S. troops should die. It's not a unanimous position. However they are getting upset over the recent troll infestation...

Uhh patriot boy

here it is

For almost 24 hours now I've been waiting to hear how the story of the grenade attack on the 101st would be reported on TV. Well MSNBCs Ashley Banfield said that he was a (pause) engineer named (pause) Akbar and no, that wasn't his real name, it was a (pause) "changed" name. Alfter this most shakey of starts she then wondered aloud about what could possibly be his motivation, perhaps trouble at home, wife, girlfriend. Maybe he wasn't feeling well.

I don't even know where to begin. At some point don't we need to call the enemy an enemy.

Hey "Patriot"Boy

Out of a population of MILLIONS of Baghdad,

HOW MANY GOT HURT?

YUP. That's what I call a surgical bombing.

#59 E. Nough

A few points:

- Indymedia is an open newswire

- Indymedia caters to and attracts lefty moonbats, although most of them do outlive their radical politics.

- Censorship does take place, and it is generally transparent when it happens. I have occasionally made sane, rational, non-inflammatory IMC posts which subsequently disappeared. Many other posters have made the same complaint.

- There is an generally an editorial staff (there are many individual IMC nodes). The editors publish their own content, dictate the lead articles, and work on other media, such as the print "Indypendent" here in New York City. The editors also censor when they feel it is necessary -- generally under the PC flag ('racist', 'sexist', 'ageist' &c.).

That having been said, the left severely lacks ideological coherence -- that goes for an IMC, and that goes for much larger "peace" rallies. Take a day's sampling of IMC posts, or a sampling of signs at any large protest since the late 1990s, and you will find 1,001 different agendas being represented.

Most of these agendas are anything but pacifist, although they will opportunistically latch on to the "war kills puppies" line when it suits them (as of late).

[...]

If there is any thread that unites most of the disparate agendas and ideologies, it is the belief that the U.S. is the world's greatest purveyor of evil (notice how the left applies that word liberally while deriding the president for his 'simplistic' use of the same epithet).

An excellent piece by Lee Harris here does the best job I have seen to date in explaining the "America Is Evil" doctrine by tracing the arc of Popular Marxism since the Communist Manifesto.

Harris's basic premise: Marxist theory has been "globalized." The definition of Capitalist Exploiters has been expanded to mean all of America, right down to the auto factory worker in Detroit. Oppressed Workers are now the entire Third World -- and damned near everyone else as well.

In Modern Mutilated Marxism, the Oppressor can basically do nothing right, and the Oppressed can more or less do no wrong. (This according to me, not Harris.)

You can watch the left's practice of distilling almost every political scenario into this bifurcation -- Oppressor and Oppressed -- in order to condemn everything the former does while ennobling every action taken by the latter. Hence IDF = always bad; Palestinian civilian murder = resistance, &c.

It is quite striking that America's de facto Oppressor/Bad Guy status is assumed as gospel truth by most leftist groups. Most of them do not understand the intellectual roots and Marxist evolution that led to this view: it has long since become a sine qua non of the left. It is unquestioned. It is a cornerstone of faith.

This faith today enables all manner of unholy alliances. Incoherent, yes. But politics, as we know, makes for strange -- and sometimes hideous -- bedfellows. Watching fascists, lifestylist anarchists, Quakers, vegans, papists, Democrats, and communist brigades all in flagrante delecto is a nauseating sight indeed.

Check out Patriotboy's blog -- it sucks!!!

Hey Patriotboy, here's some advice: get a real sense of humor. Wow, this guy had the brilliant idea of attacking both Christianity and war at the same time -- sorry dumpkopf, that doesn't do anything for your BORING commentary.

This is the sad thing about the far left: they aren't too bright and they talk in circles, they are the intellectual equivalent of a dictator controlled 3rd world country -- vacous, weak and pathetic, until they try to bite you in the nuts.

I realize you are getting excited at the thought of American deaths, but why don't you f***off and post your inanity at Indymedia?

Bravo Pliny...

Maybe the New York Times would publish that as a guest editorial.

I would like to personally thank Al Gore for inventing the internet so that the dissemination of ideas like these can be read by the masses.

#65 Patriot Boy

Yes, I've noticed that the US media hasn't mentioned the 10 Marines killed in combat at An Nasiriyah

Actually they were reporting 25 dead, now it's 23 at least (confirmed) and the story was being reported last evening already. Guess you should be a little more diligent scouring the US media.

#78 RightIsRight

Thanks! I didn't realize anyone ever read my occasional long-ass posts...

But do check out Lee Harris' piece, it is worth the read. He is also the author of 'Our World-Historical Gamble'.

wow, that's pretty meta.

Why bother with religion bashing aimed at the west, when this is a war to put a hurtin' a friggin stupid god?

Indy-media people are just allah-bitches.

As I said above Indymedia is all wackos who proudly display their allegence to indy-allah, so they are only borderline infidels submitting to indy-allah, a diety that resembles allah in everyway, but they deny worshiping the allah of islam. They hold the koran as a holy book more than the majority of peaceful moslems, and hold that it is the belivers (of Indy allah and relgular allah) duty to crush the infidel. They issue fatwahs against the unholy Great Satan, and belive once the US is destroyed everything will be a milk and honey paradise.

Well I say, if indy-allah and allah are the gods of peace:

Im in leauge with the great satan
I shall hold the flag of the Blasphemer High.
Unholy red white and blue
Out to make their Allah Cry.

Now, now, this is not anti-Americanism that we witness here nor hatred for America, it is simply an "Alternative Patriotism"/sarcasm off/.

Activists in Detroit, Ann Arbor, Traverse City and Grand Rapids have responded to the United States' attack on Iraq with a clear message: people would not be going about their business as usual during this unjust attack on an impoverished people, a decimated country, our constitutional rights, and international law. But they are using a variety of tactics to convey that message: direct action, rallies, marches, and troop blockades.

These guys believe their own propaganda. Whatever pitiful protests they've organized in Michigan have gotten almost no publicity and have had even less of an impact.

Pliny

I actually printed that first Harris article when it was frist referenced on LGF.

I have passed it on to many folks.

From Reuters (via Yahoo News): More about the murdering sergeant.

"In Kuwait earlier, a U.S. military source said one soldier was killed and 15 others wounded early on Sunday when a Muslim American serviceman apparently angered by the war against Iraq rolled hand grenades into their tents." Emphasis added.

""He's a Muslim, and it seems he was just against the war," said one U.S. military source, who did not wish to be identified."

I've never been an 'America, love it or leave it' kind of person because I think that's contrary to our values of tolerance and open debate.

That being said I think the anti-American protesters in this country should act on their convictions.

It's been said to anti-semites that if they really think the Jews are so bad, why don't they stop using any of the technological or medical advancements made by Jews? Let them not innoculate their children from polio (Salk). Let them sit in the dark (Steinmetz). etc.

Likewise, those who despise America should reject those benefits they derive from the talent and skill of Americans.

Pliny writes:

Thanks! I didn't realize anyone ever read my occasional long-ass posts...

Yep -- read and appreciated.

(I've been known to write a long-ass post or two myself...)

Jonah Goldberg blogs on The Corner at the National Review website on the subject of civil disobedience.

Why is it that the protesters think that it's okay for them to violate the law in pursuit of a 'higher cause' and call it civil disobedience but want the US to conform to their own fantasy conception of "international law"? Can't GWB break the "law" for a higher cause?

That's right, only 'progressives' are allowed to redefine morality.

The filthy shithead who goes by the name of Robert Fisk has got this great editorial: This is the reality of war. We bomb. They suffer. Looks like he could take another beating from those enthusiastic Arabs. Or two.

So let's forget, for a moment, the cheap propaganda of the regime and the equally cheap moralising of Messrs Rumsfeld and Bush, and take a trip around the Al-Mustansaniya College Hospital. For the reality of war is ultimately not about military victory and defeat, or the lies about "coalition forces" which our "embedded" journalists are now peddling about an invasion involving only the Americans, the British and a handful of Australians. War, even when it has international legitimacy ­ which this war does not ­ is primarily about suffering.

With all the reporters that are dying in this war, it's a shame this pile of shit is still alive. And yet, here he is, pontificating on the cruelty of war from the relative security of his Baghdad hotel room, stockpiled with a plethora of bog rolls, pretty sure the bombs of those Washington loons won't find him and he will emerge unscathed another to fight antoher day against the wetern democracies he holds in such contempt. Fisk, you are the biggest self-hating son of a bitch the world of journalism has ever known, dude.

#28 Robert Crawford - Yes.

#31 Robert Crawford - I agree with you. This action falls not only under capital murder, but also treason. In addition, the issues and commentary of SF Indymedia, and the actions of many in SF protesting the war crosses over the 1918 Sedition Act. It would be nice to see the US start actually arresting people and charging them under the Sedition law. These people are crossing the line between free speech and sedition.

#59 E. Nough -

(My apologies to pondscum everywhere.)

- Kinder than they deserve.

#65 boy - You posted at 1:10pm PST.....you need to check US media a little better. FNC, MSNBC, CNN have all been talking about this for past several hours - going back to before noon PST. In fact CentCom is reporting that the comments of casualties initially have been inflated - that 10+ were not killed - the number is likely fewer than that.

General Comment - What is more appalling are the comments and images from Iraqi TV / Al-Jazeera that show the results of the capture, interogation, and likely execution of nearly a dozen servicemen (and 1 woman) assigned to a maintenance and supply company that were ambushed by Iraqi troops that apparently had approached under a surrendent ruse.

(Drudgereport has a link for the Al-Jazeera feed - it's as disgusting as the Pearl video, or the ClearGuidance videos from Chechnya - as a warning.)

Apparently the Geneva Convention is something that we need to adhere to - but others aren't held to the same level. Expect not only to see surrendering Iraqi troops treated more severely - but also Iraqi civilians watched closer (the result of 120 Republican Guard soldiers dressed as civilians starting a firefight in Um Qasr) with the possibility of coalition forces being forced to consider welcoming surrendering forces / apparent civilians with fire if the risk of ambush is present.

There are groups that are revelling in this graphic image of a "US defeat" - as well as the shots of Iraqi Special Republican Guards and Media scouring the banks of the Euphrates River in Baghdad.

If these events are intended to damage morale of the US - it will only work on those who already hate the US. For the rest of us, it redoubles are commitment to replace this murderous regime, and eliminate these subhumans from existence on the face of the earth.

#58: Where? Urban Outfitters? Isn't that where all the chic nonconformists shop?

chic nonconformists

I think you just summed up the contradictions of The Left.

Interesting. The media is interviewing the associates of the good Sgt Akbar and finding he really, really was pissed that the 101st was about to attack his true brothers.

It doesn't look like the Army spinmasters really have a shot at minimizing the Muslim connection. They may take him out of theater and put him under wraps until the war is over....or.....there may actually be temptation to give him a war zone trial (Army can legally try and execute him in days)

T.L. James (#92)

LOL! Spot on.

90: A. Van Hilten: Good to see your posts again:-)

Mark Steyn had a good line about that SOB Fisk stocking up on the toliet paper. Steyn noted that it's a whole new take on the phrase "Let's Roll."

However, Steyn seemed to think it was overkill for Fisk to buy 25 rolls of TP for the Duration. I disagree. I suspect the bombs will keep Fisk running to the loo quite a bit. Maybe he should have stocked up on Depends too(incontinence diapers) :-)

They should give the (alleged) traitor a dose, put him in his dress uniform, and drop his hide into the middle of a "peace" protest.

#72 George Turner

My response to the LA Indymedia.
Do it in MY name.

The official report on this guy Akbar (as heard on Fox News about a half hour ago) was that this fragging "had nothing to do with his Muslim faith" but was due to an "attitude problem."

Do they think we are all idiots and can't see through this "attitude problem" baloney?????

#84: Traverse City is my hometown, so that caught my attention. No mention of any protests on the local paper's website, nor on the website of the one local TV channel with halfway-decent local news, however.

It wouldn't surprise me to find that some assinine tantrums took place there, though. The place has been booming for the past fifteen years, mostly with greying granola refugees from Detroit and Chicago and elsewhere, and so the tone of local politics, op-eds, letters to the editor, etc. has been changing in directions one might expect.

Looks like the LFG crew have turned up! :

"I noticed that it was done by a n*****/muslim/traitor....that should explain it. "

"Black muslim soldier, what else needs to be said. The combination of the first two elements means you have an instant moron, the third gives him access to something besides a stick."

Make us proud boys! Go Team Stupid!

The Democratic party is going to have to change its name, logo and trademarks if this sh|t keeps going on. Not unlike Lucent Technologies' forced rebranding.

How about "Bolshicrats"?
Their symbol could be the hammer and the crescent.

#74

It would be...interesting to see the result of Ms. Banfield interviewing Muhammed Ali and saying, "Well, Mr. Clay, 'Muhammed Ali' isn't your real name, it's just a changed name".

#100
greying granola refugees

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

Troll Note: PatriotBoy (#53) is also posting the same stuff here as "Cold Reality of War".

Well, I'm probably left of everyone who has posted so far, and I read left-wing blogs often, but I have never, until reading this Indymedia posting, seen a post, or a comment, calling for or supporting the death of American soldiers.

The post linked to, and most of the comments under it, are disgusting.

Please keep in mind that they do not represent the opinion of more than a tiny fraction of the left. They certainly do not represent the views of the ~50% of Americans who voted Democratic in the last election.

That being said, van Hilten just said something quite similar - that someone doing something he disagreed with should die for it.

As those of you who read left-wing blogs know, they have nearly given their support to the troops, and their best wishes for a speedy resolution to this war.

I applaud your exposure of this disgusting commentary on Indymedia. But the many commentors who have suggested that these comments represent the prevalent attitude of those against the war in Iraq, I must tell you that your are wrong. Fanatics, racists, and psychopaths will always exist. The unfortunate association of some of them with the anti-war movement does not invalidate the opinions of the many sane people who opposed the war.

Justin: the one and only person using the words "n*****" and "instant moron" on this page is ...

You.

Charles, as I'm sure you know, I'm refering to the Indymedia page. The one now filled with hard-right trolls after you linked to it.

Somehow I doubt such entries reflect your typical Indymedia user, so whose visitors are these?

Yours.

#106 TL James,

That wasn't me. Perhaps there are two patriotic Americans who think that the sterile little war our government and it's flipper clapping trained media is selling us is bullshit

You can tell the leftie loses
by the company he chooses.
...and the pig got up and slowly walked away.

PDM (#110)

LOL! Desperately sad too.

Justin,

What are you hoping for? The dregs at Indymedia have ruined many a thread on LGF, writing some of the most bigoted, hateful stuff I've ever read. We don't hang out at Indymedia. So there are some "right-wingers" giving the dregs something to think about? Big deal and who cares? Again, what is the point of you being here?

Patriotboy -

Isn't it about time you changed your screenname? Or are you just being ironic?

#109: Only you and Charles know for sure.

#90

Fisk's latest pile of proverbial made it to the front page of today's New Zealand Herald. Complete with requisite pics of "the children", of course.

But I'm not surprised in the slightest.

#101 Justin

Wow! You're an idiot!

Dave

just exercisin' my first amendment rights

The radical platform is good for only one thing: stirring up hatred and divisiveness. We have seen how literally bankrupt it is when applied to ruling a country (the USSR is only one example), but the Idiotarians are determined to learn nothing from experience. With that much disregard for fact, it is no wonder that they remain unconvinced, even in the face of mounting evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime is almost unimaginably evil.

The bottom line is: we are not even speaking the same language. When President Bush talks about an "axis of evil," he means something so repulsive to anyone with a shred of decency that it must be stopped at all costs. When a peacenik calls something "evil," it refers to something or someone that does not agree 100% with him or her and is suitably Judenrein - they don't have a moral frame of reference, so in other respects that word is meaningless to them except as a rhetorical construct to throw at someone