Michael Yon (who may soon be filing a lawsuit against Michael Moore) forwarded this striking photograph from Afghanistan as an LGF exclusive:
I thought you might want to see our folks in action. This nighttime shot is from my days with a tiny unit of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. We were 2 days drive from nearest paved road, and very deep in Taliban country. In case of serious attack, the nearest backup was probably too far away to matter.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:04am |
Wait till the UN sets up camps with the Taliban
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:33:13am |
Very nice pic. Actually would make a nice avatar.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:21am |
Mortars always scared me for some reason. Think it was the muzzle loading. Had a SSGT who lost a few buddies in a mortar accident.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:34am |
I hope the shell made some Tailbs into Good Terrorists. Get some!
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:36:43am |
re: #4 buzzsawmonkey
There's mortar this than meets the eye.
You are trying to launch a pun thread aren't you?
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:37:11am |
I hope Yon not only wins the lawsuit but forces Moore to issue a public apology. yeah, right
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DistantThunder Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:37:30am |
The job that no liberal wants - defending our country at great personal sacrifice.
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:37:51am |
My. Thats a big one. Better to give than to receive.
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VegasRick Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:07am |
re: #11 DistantThunder
The job that no liberal wants - defending our country
at great personal sacrifice.
FTFY
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:37am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
michael moore is a real asshole.
Not sure, he is a fake at so many things, he is a real film editor, but he may be a fake asshole.
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Chicken Kiev Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:53am |
Michael Yon is one of the last vestiges of real journalism. Michael Yon is what Life Magazine used to be.
Thus hardly anyone on the "other side" has even heard of this brilliant purveyor of beauty and truth.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:38:55am |
Is that thing laser guided?
Because, you know, the UN and all.
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VegasRick Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:00am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
michael moore is a real asshole.
That is actually an insult to assholes everywhere.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:09am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
michael moore is a real asshole.
Just picked up "An American Carol" last night. Hope to watch it soon.
Or I could just watch Moore blow himself up in "Team America: World Police"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:19am |
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DistantThunder Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:20am |
Rangle says he's going to sponsor and introduce another resolution to bring back the draft. After viewing that picture of Waxman - see drudge - I vote we rename the Democrats as the Vile Hideous Party.
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Sharmuta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:39:59am |
re: #15 lifeofthemind
Not sure, he is a fake at so many things, he is a real film editor, but he may be a fake asshole.
He fakes and stages with the very best- he rivals hamas. But I think the assholery is genuine.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:02am |
re: #19 VegasRick
That is actually an insult to assholes everywhere.
Not really. They both produce nothing but crap.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:07am |
re: #12 Sharmuta
michael moore is a real asshole.
This lawsuit is still being considered.
Therefore, Michael Moore is allegedly a real asshole.
/
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:23am |
May God bless our troops and bring them home safely.
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Prikolno Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:36am |
Nice shot.
What kind of camera is Michael Yon is using, you can see the shell, almost.
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:41am |
Great photo, but isn't that a disproportionate use of force? /
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:42am |
re: #22 DistantThunder
Rangle says he's going to sponsor and introduce another resolution to bring back the draft. After viewing that picture of Waxman - see drudge - I vote we rename the Democrats as the Vile Hideous Party.
I'd prefer the Very Silly Party myself.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:40:47am |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
I thought the biggest mortars the US used were 120mm.
81mm is the largest man portable.
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bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:00am |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
It is now but when I was in the 81 was always the big one.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:03am |
re: #26 buzzsawmonkey
"An American Carol" was nowhere near as good as "Team America: World Police." And I so wanted it to be.
Nothing can top the speech at the end of Team America.
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VegasRick Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:06am |
re: #22 DistantThunder
Rangle says he's going to sponsor and introduce another resolution to bring back the draft. After viewing that picture of Waxman - see drudge - I vote we rename the Democrats as the Vile Hideous Party.
Waxman - Nostrildamas
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:22am |
re: #22 DistantThunder
Rangle says he's going to sponsor and introduce another resolution to bring back the draft. After viewing that picture of Waxman - see drudge - I vote we rename the Democrats as the Vile Hideous Party.
Is it too late to nominate him for a Fiskie?
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:38am |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
Not really. They both produce nothing but crap.
Thats true, but actual assholes serve a function, a vital function. Mikey Moore can't really say that.
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:51am |
re: #25 jwb7605
This lawsuit is still being considered.
Therefore, Michael Moore is allegedly a real asshole.
/
So he's alleged in his own mind?
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:41:53am |
Not sure about Willis' politics but this could be a great film...
The picture was voted by Time readers as the top photo of 2005. Bruce Willis has said he hopes to produce a movie based on Yon's experiences with the Deuce Four unit.
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:32am |
I don't believe Yon was "classically trained" in journalism.
/
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:53am |
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VegasRick Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:42:55am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:43:19am |
In case of serious attack, the nearest backup was probably too far away to matter.
Can't even begin to imagine.
God bless him and our awesome troops!
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:43:30am |
What's the green shadow above the white explosion shadow? Is that the actual projectile?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:43:47am |
re: #26 buzzsawmonkey
"An American Carol" was nowhere near as good as "Team America: World Police." And I so wanted it to be.
Well, I still bought it; I want to show there's a market for something other than liberal rubbish. Bought it at a BJ's in central Massachusetts, too; show Mass isn't all moonbats.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:43:47am |
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albusteve Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:00am |
re: #42 Leonidas Hoplite
F^ck the UN.
over and over and over...just like they do it, with much enthusiasm
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:17am |
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:44:33am |
re: #33 astronmr20
Nothing can top the speech at the end of Team America.
There are three types of people....
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Amer-I-Can Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:45:22am |
Michael Yon continues to rock the ME with his straight shooting coverage. Stay safe and God Bless our Troops.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:45:22am |
WP airburst on the gazacam and something is burning very brightly
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:45:56am |
re: #51 buzzsawmonkey
I won't. I will, however, observe that the early scene in Paris has the very pleasing touch of a cobblestone street in which the cobbles are croissants. There is so little quiet wit in most films today.
I hadn't noticed that, but then, I watched it on my old CRT TV. I'll have to watch it on my HDTV now.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:00am |
re: #53 Bubblehead II
WP airburst on the gazacam and something is burning very brightly
Is it a tyger?
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:09am |
re: #53 Bubblehead II
WP airburst on the gazacam and something is burning very brightly
Can you drop in a link to the cam, so I don't have to search through the threads?
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:45am |
Looks like the gazacam has been knocked off line. Can not connect to it.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:46:49am |
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Globular Cluster Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:08am |
Another Hamas dude barbecued.
Hey, that rhymes!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:19am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:19am |
re: #22 DistantThunder
Rangle says he's going to sponsor and introduce another resolution to bring back the draft. After viewing that picture of Waxman - see drudge - I vote we rename the Democrats as the Vile Hideous Party.
You referring to this? He doesn't want to get in the way of the economic stimulus package, but is considering reintroducing the draft resolution.
Only Democrats push this nonsense. It's not about improving military preparedness, because the military is opposed because it means spending on training of people who aren't interested in being in the military. The US military is at its best when you have highly motivated people who want to be in the military. Rangel and his Democrat cohorts want to undermine all that.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:47:36am |
re: #56 Creeping Eruption
Can you drop in a link to the cam, so I don't have to search through the threads?
Look here.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:01am |
baaa [tears]
Obama tells daughters he ran for president for them, all children
In an open letter to his young daughters, US president-elect Barack Obama said Thursday that he entered the race for the White House "because of what I want for you and for every child in this nation."
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Jr ewing Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:06am |
Some great news
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:48:43am |
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:05am |
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:12am |
re: #60 Guanxi88
What, is Thither chopped liver?
Whither all this dither about Thither? It's Hither.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:15am |
re: #61 lawhawk
You referring to this? He doesn't want to get in the way of the economic stimulus package, but is considering reintroducing the draft resolution.
Only Democrats push this nonsense. It's not about improving military preparedness, because the military is opposed because it means spending on training of people who aren't interested in being in the military. The US military is at its best when you have highly motivated people who want to be in the military. Rangel and his Democrat cohorts want to undermine all that.
Good point. They want the military full of people who will cause disciplinary problems, and not do a good job, so we cannot count on them, or need even more troops than with a well-trained volunteer force.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:20am |
re: #57 Bubblehead II
Looks like the gazacam has been knocked off line. Can not connect to it.
I'm watching paint dry on [Link: switch206-01.castup.net...]
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:33am |
OT - Crude Futures have broken the $35 mark. Currently trading at $34.40 per barrel
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:49:35am |
Re. Yon's lawsuit:
From the NY Post article - MOORE MISUSES WAR PICTURE
The picture was voted by Time readers as the top photo of 2005. Bruce Willis has said he hopes to produce a movie based on Yon's experiences with the Deuce Four unit.
I would wait in line for that one.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:50:17am |
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:51:03am |
re: #71 DeafDog
OT - Crude Futures have broken the $35 mark. Currently trading at $34.40 per barrel
$34.10
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thefallingman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:51:19am |
re: #10 bulwrk
Hard to be certain in so small a picture, but I believe that's the M120 120mm Mortar. It looks a little tall for either of the 81s and the barrel band just below the muzzle flash I've only ever seen on the 120.
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:52:15am |
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:52:30am |
Israel must be doing great damage to Iran's puppet:
The Iranian president said the fighting showed Israel's continued existence in the region is "not feasible."
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Globular Cluster Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:52:36am |
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:52:52am |
An ex-army special forces member once told me that mortars are very dangerous to their operators. Morter men suffer high casualties from mishaps, failed rounds, '2 in the tube' and etc.
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:53:01am |
re: #53 Bubblehead II
WP airburst on the gazacam and something is burning very brightly
Did the phos melt?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:53:26am |
I'm not sure if this is new but it's pretty impressive.....
IDF Officer uses Hamas terrorist as shield vs grenade
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:53:29am |
re: #77 thefallingman
What's he green shadow above the blast area? Is that the projectile?
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:54:31am |
re: #63 faraway
baaa [tears]
Obama tells daughters he ran for president for them, all children
He ran so children can fly!
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:54:52am |
re: #78 DeafDog
The oil limbo - How low will it go?
I have mixed emotions about the price of oil.
We're going to hear the "ten year" argument about developing our own resources until the price goes back up over roughly $50.00.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:55:08am |
re: #9 solomonpanting
I hope Yon not only wins the lawsuit but forces Moore to issue a public apology. yeah, right
And takes the floating fat man for every cent he owns, now and in the future.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:55:25am |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
I'm not sure if this is new but it's pretty impressive.....
IDF Officer uses Hamas terrorist as shield vs grenade
It's old, but GREAT.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:55:59am |
OT
This makes me ill.
The Elephant in the Room: McCain may be Obama's secret weapon
A desire by both men to secure their places in history might forge an unlikely pairing.
Still, Obama and the GOP moderates will not produce the kind of post-partisan harmony that Obama promised and the public now expects.
But I believe Obama has an ace in the hole among Senate Republicans. This unlikely ace can deliver not only the GOP moderates needed to break a filibuster, but also the stamp of bipartisanship: the 2008 GOP standard bearer, John McCain.McCain was once the mainstream media darling, back when he joined Democrats on a host of issues. He prized his maverick moniker and used it to propel himself onto the national scene in the 2000 Republican presidential primary. Early in the Bush years, he shored up his status as the media's favorite Republican by opposing Bush on taxes and the environment.
But this love fest came to a halt when McCain became the front-runner for the GOP nomination. First he began to sound more like a conservative by altering his stands on immigration, the environment and taxes. Then he named Sarah Palin his running mate. It was too much for a media that had fallen head over heels for Obama. The media had a new darling.
In McCain's mind, however, losing the presidency will not be the final chapter of his life story. He knows the path to "Big Media" redemption. Working with the man who vanquished him in November will show them all the real McCain again.
Leopards do not change their spots, my friends.
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right mind left Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:23am |
re: #81 experiencedtraveller
An ex-army special forces member once told me that mortars are very dangerous to their operators. Morter men suffer high casualties from mishaps, failed rounds, '2 in the tube' and etc.
A higher mortarlity rate?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:39am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:48am |
re: #88 Ben Hur
Yeah, I kind of of thought it might be old. Thanks.
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:56:59am |
re: #89 loppyd
Democrat assisting a Marxist - how nice for all of us.
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Globular Cluster Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:57:10am |
re: #89 loppyd
South Park election episode. Bam baby!
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:57:17am |
Anybody else loose the gazacam or is it just me? There was a WP airburst and something burning brightly in the lower right hand corner and then My media Player lost connection and is unable to connect at either link.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:57:28am |
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:06am |
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:08am |
re: #96 Bubblehead II
Anybody else loose the gazacam or is it just me? There was a WP airburst and something burning brightly in the lower right hand corner and then My media Player lost connection and is unable to connect at either link.
Yep - have nothing to look at either ...
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:17am |
re: #96 Bubblehead II
Anybody else loose the gazacam or is it just me? There was a WP airburst and something burning brightly in the lower right hand corner and then My media Player lost connection and is unable to connect at either link.
Who loosened the gazacam?
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:25am |
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:39am |
re: #87 FurryOldGuyJeans
And takes the floating fat man for every cent he owns, now and in the future.
My feeling (there's that word) is that Yon would be happy to have control over his work, with perhaps a small hit on Moore's large assets.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:39am |
re: #96 Bubblehead II
Anybody else loose the gazacam or is it just me? There was a WP airburst and something burning brightly in the lower right hand corner and then My media Player lost connection and is unable to connect at either link.
Mine is off because I am allegedly working from home and it's too distracting. LOL
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:46am |
re: #68 Cognito
Whither all this dither about Thither? It's Hither.
What, I'm thinking of a classic triumvirate: Hither, Thither, and Yon.
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thefallingman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:49am |
re: #84 DeafDog
Got me. I suppose it could be, but I've never seen a projo light up like that. I have seen stranger things, though.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:49am |
re: #97 loppyd
You have to post that again the next time Opinion shows up!
Rightie-oh!
Will certainly do so!
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:58:59am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
Nuisance.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:00am |
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x-wing Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:36am |
re: #96 Bubblehead II
Mine froze up, I re-loaded and now can't get back on :(
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:39am |
re: #99 yma o hyd
Yep - have nothing to look at either ...
There's a good chance the IDF 'sploded it.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 9:59:59am |
re: #86 jwb7605
I have mixed emotions about the price of oil.
We're going to hear the "ten year" argument about developing our own resources until the price goes back up over roughly $50.00.
Isn't it interesting how every time we get serious about alternative energy sources, oil prices drop until it is no longer economical?
I predicted this a while ago.
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DeafDog Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:03am |
re: #86 jwb7605
I have mixed emotions about the price of oil.
We're going to hear the "ten year" argument about developing our own resources until the price goes back up over roughly $50.00.
I'll take the lower prices while they last. You'll get your wish of higher prices Oil Price.netbefore too long, IMO. When the economy recovers, the price of oil will likely bonce back strong.
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:17am |
OT: Look for the Dow to fall below the 8,000 level today.
Oil is down to $33.88 gold is at $809.40
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:25am |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
It depends on whether Yon registered the image at the proper time (before infringement, or within 3 months of first publication); then it depends on how the damages are calculated.
Sadly, Moore probably has enough money to be able to defend against the suit, pay whatever damages and attorney's fees are assessed against him, and still have plenty left over for the daily pallet delivery of Devil Dogs.
It's true that money can beat just about anything in court, but I don't believe it's true that registering an image has anything to do with it.
Copyright is automatic with authorship.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:40am |
So, any chance of the MSM interviewing the pols who claimed that we already had OBL and were going to use him to get Bush elected?
How bout all those prophets that "predicted" (hoped for) 500000000000000000000000000 dead iraqis?
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:00:53am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
Every statement made by Obama has an expiration date.
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:12am |
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:16am |
re: #115 3 wood
OT: Look for the Dow to fall below the 8,000 level today.
Oil is down to $33.88 gold is at $809.40
How's yer BofA stock?
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SteveC Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:26am |
re: #42 Leonidas Hoplite
F^ck the UN.
No. But HELL no!
You want lotsa little UNs running around, crapping their drawers and getting into everything?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:27am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
And he's willing to negotiate with Osama without preconditions.
/no, wait...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:01:30am |
re: #41 faraway
I don't believe Yon was "classically trained" in journalism.
/
Actually he is classically trained, just report on the facts, no editoralizing. Others are trained in the modern form, use opinion as fact, hence the major disconnect between reality and what they say.
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:05am |
re: #8 Ford_Prefect
You are trying to launch a pun thread aren't you?
If he does maybe we should pestle-whip him.....
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:10am |
re: #112 astronmr20
There's a good chance the IDF 'sploded it.
Or the hamasthugs have had enough of it and have it taken down - like, it was giving info to the IDF ...
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:16am |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
The "maverick" is basically a Scoop Jackson Democrat, despite his being elected on the Republican ticket.
He better not ask me for another red cent.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:42am |
re: #109 Ben Hur
Nuisance.
Headline spinning:
" My preference obviously, would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:02:48am |
re: #115 3 wood
OT: Look for the Dow to fall below the 8,000 level today.
Oil is down to $33.88 gold is at $809.40
What's LIBOR doing today?
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:03:10am |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
The "maverick" is basically a Scoop Jackson Democrat, despite his being elected on the Republican ticket.
Scoop Jackson was the Senator from Boeing and John McCain is the Senator who took Boeing down.
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thefallingman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:03:26am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Well of course it isn't. After The One is annointed, bin Laden will recognize the error of his ways and turn himself in for prosecution. Then the planet can begin to heal itself and lions will lie down with lambs.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:03:29am |
re: #89 loppyd
McCain reaching out to Our Messiah-King sure would not surprise me one whit. He has done enough to undermine the Conservative ideals for years now in the Senate that he can only better secure his media legacy by being a loyal Dem sycophant.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:03:35am |
re: #117 Ben Hur
So, any chance of the MSM interviewing the pols who claimed that we already had OBL and were going to use him to get Bush elected?
How bout all those prophets that "predicted" (hoped for) 500000000000000000000000000 dead iraqis?
It's VIETNAM!
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indianajane Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:03:52am |
Stay safe Michael. I've been following your stories since early days of Iraq.
Rooster cam is off again. There was some pretty steady rocket fire, maybe getting to close for comfort.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:24am |
The switch434 connection told me that there were too many people connecting.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:26am |
re: #112 astronmr20
That's what I am thinking. That last strike looked like it was just around the corner of the building. Might have taken out power and/or phone line. Wonder if the Israeli's are prepping the area for a major strike and didn't want it on the web?
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SteveC Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:29am |
re: #63 faraway
In an open letter to his young daughters, US president-elect Barack Obama said Thursday that he entered the race for the White House "because of what I want for you and for every child in this nation."
SEE? No little Obama girls, no run for president. That f*ucking around leads to nuttin' but trouble!
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:34am |
re: #115 3 wood
OT: Look for the Dow to fall below the 8,000 level today.
Oil is down to $33.88 gold is at $809.40
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:48am |
OT
All you vets out there. I just walked past a machine in production here at the factory that is heading to Ft. Shafter. Hmmm how would you like to be a new recruit and the first thing you see is Welcome to Ft. Shafter. I guess it could be worse it could be Ft. Bendover
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:04:54am |
re: #132 FurryOldGuyJeans
McCain reaching out to Our Messiah-King sure would not surprise me one whit. He has done enough to undermine the Conservative ideals for years now in the Senate that he can only better secure his media legacy by being a loyal Dem sycophant.
Why he would ever want or care about being in the good graces of the MSM after what they did to him during the campaign is beyond me.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:05:12am |
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:05:19am |
re: #104 buzzsawmonkey
Yes, I know Moore can afford his legal expenses. He's made, what, tens of millions on his shillings?
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:05:47am |
re: #114 DeafDog
I'll take the lower prices while they last. You'll get your wish of higher prices Oil Price.netbefore too long, IMO. When the economy recovers, the price of oil will likely bonce back strong.
Therefore, my mixed emotions.
We will have lost that much time in developing "alternatives". In that mix, I consider domestic oil an alternative to foreign oil. We will always need "some amount" of oil, foreign or domestic.
When you get down to the basic "absolute gotta have" issues on oil, things get real important from a strategic sense.
This is an honest question: can you make plastic without oil?
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maddogg Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:06:04am |
re: #63 faraway
baaa [tears]
Obama tells daughters he ran for president for them, all children
Just what the children need, Big friggin' Bird running the free world.
/duck and cover kids.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:06:08am |
re: #117 Ben Hur
So, any chance of the MSM interviewing the pols who claimed that we already had OBL and were going to use him to get Bush elected?
How bout all those prophets that "predicted" (hoped for) 500000000000000000000000000 dead iraqis?
The FMSM is like media psychics like Jeane Dixon or Criswell, say any bullshit just vague enough, and by the time any prophesy can be proven false or true no one will care anyway even if it is only a few days later.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:06:15am |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
The "maverick" is basically a Scoop Jackson Democrat, despite his being elected on the Republican ticket.
I embarrassed to admit the fawning over Obama was over the top in the lead in on that article.
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:06:23am |
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:06:41am |
re: #63 faraway
baaa [tears]
Obama tells daughters he ran for president for them, all children
Writing a letter to his daughters is one thing, it is quite another to have it publicly exposed.
It smacks of nothing but a cheap publicity stunt & it is at least to me despicable to use his daughters in this way.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:07:07am |
re: #132 FurryOldGuyJeans
McCain reaching out to Our Messiah-King sure would not surprise me one whit. He has done enough to undermine the Conservative ideals for years now in the Senate that he can only better secure his media legacy by being a loyal Dem sycophant.
And the biggest thing he did was running for the Republican nomination, getting it, and then not running for President.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:07:31am |
re: #144 maddogg
Just what the children need, Big friggin' Bird running the free world.
/duck and cover kids.
I am DAMN sure he did not run fo rmy Zionist Jew kids. . .and my Marine sons!
dear leader is a fucking pompous asshole. . .
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:08:29am |
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:08:47am |
re: #89 loppyd
OT
This makes me ill.
The Elephant in the Room: McCain may be Obama's secret weapon
A desire by both men to secure their places in history might forge an unlikely pairing.
Still, Obama and the GOP moderates will not produce the kind of post-partisan harmony that Obama promised and the public now expects.
Leopards do not change their spots, my friends.
McCain might be a candidate for a Fisk award, what with him seeking the approval of the media. The same media that turned on him once he became a threat to their chosen candidate, Obama.
I can hear McCain saying "If I were the media, I would have turned on me too".........
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:08:53am |
re: #150 Kosh's Shadow
And the biggest thing he did was running for the Republican nomination, getting it, and then not running for President.
VERY true. Upding.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:08:57am |
re: #144 maddogg
Just what the children need, Big friggin' Bird running the free world.
/duck and cover kids.
We need Oscar the Grouch as president.
"Let's see what I have in the trash can. Looks like a nuclear missile."
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:21am |
re: #148 opnion
Writing a letter to his daughters is one thing, it is quite another to have it publicly exposed.
It smacks of nothing but a cheap publicity stunt & it is at least to me despicable to use his daughters in this way.
like his "prayer" at the Western Wall. . .he has to work at humble. . .poor deity. . .a burden for sure!
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:22am |
No copyright can be enforced unless it is registered
Whaaa? Better check your facts, there.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:26am |
re: #20 Kosh's Shadow
Just picked up "An American Carol" last night. Hope to watch it soon.
Or I could just watch Moore blow himself up in "Team America: World Police"
Watch "Team America" again. "American Carol" sucked. Such a disappointment.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:29am |
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MilkOfMalfeasance Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:09:39am |
Michael Yon is a National Treasure.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:10:04am |
Everything being proposed by Obama and the Fed points towards a weakening dollar. Gold should be rewarded but with all commodities weakening its tough to say.
If 8200 'ish doesn't hold look out below. 6500 in a few ugly days.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:10:52am |
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bulwrk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:11:22am |
re: #63 faraway
Open letter to young daughters= very creepy.
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Spiny Norman Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:11:50am |
re: #119 lawhawk
Every statement made by Obama has an expiration date.
Some of them almost immediately.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:11:56am |
re: #146 avanti
I embarrassed to admit the fawning over Obama was over the top in the lead in on that article.
The FMSM has been doing nothing but since Our Messiah-King came here to earth to proselytize the heathens, us. There was a time when I thought, during the campaign when Hillary still had a chance of winning the nomination, that if Obama did win the nomination and election that the FMSM would slowly become the loyal opposition as they had during the Clinton years, but now I see I was vastly mistaken. I used to think the media worship was on a par with JFK but now I see I vastly underestimated the depths the FMSM will descend to for their worship of Our Messiah-King.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:11:59am |
re: #155 Kosh's Shadow
We need Oscar the Grouch as president.
"Let's see what I have in the trash can. Looks like a nuclear missile."
Headed for Israel. . .3. . .2. . .1 the WORLD LOVES US AGAIN!
Cue the music. . .Nuclear Winter Days
Mushroom clouds today
Israel's neighbors have blown her aaaaaaway
Can you tell me how to get how to get my humanity back
//
sorry unemployment and borderline depression are weighing on me. . .
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tfc3rid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:01am |
WOW... Looking at how the banks and economy are performing, I am sure glad we decided to bankrupt the country since recovery is going swimmingly...
Spit! On the Government...
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:10am |
re: #165 bulwrk
Open letter to young daughters= very creepy.
I have to agree. Part me of wonders if Ayers had to write it.
/had to
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:16am |
re: #157 faraway
Whaaa? Better check your facts, there.
* Registration establishes a public record of the copyright claim.* Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U.S. origin.
* If made before or within 5 years of publication, registration will establish prima facie evidence in court of the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in the certificate.
* If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney's fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:37am |
re: #153 LGoPs
McCain might be a candidate for a Fisk award, what with him seeking the approval of the media. The same media that turned on him once he became a threat to their chosen candidate, Obama.
I can hear McCain saying "If I were the media, I would have turned on me too".........
It is an interesting study in his personality for sure. Does he crave the approval of people that badly?
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:42am |
"We were 2 days drive from nearest paved road, and very deep in Taliban country. In case of serious attack, the nearest backup was probably too far away to matter."
Call 1-800-warthog for all your Taliban backup needs.
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indianajane Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:12:52am |
That roostercam is definitely working!
Lots of shelling going on.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:00am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
Obama very simplisticly made things seem so easy during the campaign. Reality is not so easy. I am sure that his all in supporters don't even feel had.
If Gitmo is still open in two years & Bin Laden is a contestant on Dancing With The Stars Obamas people will just gush about how flexible he is.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:00am |
re: #150 Kosh's Shadow
And the biggest thing he did was running for the Republican nomination, getting it, and then not running for President.
At times I saw McCain actively campaigning for his opponent, NEVER for himself.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:36am |
re: #165 bulwrk
Open letter to young daughters= very creepy.
I was thinking more like Open letter = I want me a legacy!
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:45am |
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- House Democrats, with the blessing of President-elect Barack Obama, are preparing a massive $825 billion economic stimulus bill loaded with federal spending and tax cuts, a more expensive package than initially estimated that is likely to face Republican criticism.
The bill contains $550 billion in federal spending and $275 billion in tax cuts, but the numbers are subject to change. Read a summary.
Democrats are seeking to spend $90 billion on highway, transit and other public-works projects, which they say will spur job creation.
The bill also contains $102 billion aimed at helping workers find new jobs and retaining employer-provided healthcare.
It also preserves a $500-per-worker and $1,000 per working couple tax credit, a key priority of the incoming Obama administration. Read a summary of the tax provisions.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Wednesday that House committees will begin work on the stimulus bill next week. Obama and Democrats want Congress to approve a bill by mid-February.
Again, get ready for inflation.
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:45am |
re: #167 FurryOldGuyJeans
According to Drudge, Time has had B0 on their cover for 13 times in the past year. That's one cover in every four.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:13:55am |
re: #164 Bubblehead II
Thanks for the link.
I just realised - this is a video taken from it, not current stuff ...
Byger.
Sorry!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:14:08am |
re: #153 LGoPs
McCain might be a candidate for a Fisk award, what with him seeking the approval of the media. The same media that turned on him once he became a threat to their chosen candidate, Obama.
I can hear McCain saying "If I were the media, I would have turned on me too".........
Yeah, ironic that in the new world order, he, and people like him are the greater of the evils. . .those that will not/canot see the danger in appeasement. . .
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:14:12am |
re: #148 opnion
Writing a letter to his daughters is one thing, it is quite another to have it publicly exposed.
It smacks of nothing but a cheap publicity stunt & it is at least to me despicable to use his daughters in this way.
He didn't write it to his daughters. He wrote to the MFM.
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:14:18am |
re: #142 solomonpanting
Yes, I know Moore can afford his legal expenses. He's made, what, tens of millions on his shillings?
But he was paid in Twinkies. What's the going exchange rate on cream filled snack cakes these days?
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:14:24am |
re: #162 buzzsawmonkey
I refer to McCain as a "Scoop Jackson Democrat" not because of the Boeing thing, but because McCain is reasonably concerned about national defense (as Jackson was), and somewhat conservative in some things. In other words, McCain resembles the conservative Democrats of 30-odd years ago more than he resembles the hate-America moonbat gang that controls the Democrats today.
True, who besides Joe Lieberman is in that wing of the party now?
The Republicans have a much bigger tent than the doctrinaire Democrats.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:12am |
re: #149 buzzsawmonkey
You are wrong.
Copyright being "automatic with authorship" merely means that you don't lose the copyright if it's published without registration, as was the case prior to 1978. No copyright can be enforced unless it is registered; the registration is your ticket into court. The half-truth that you don't need to register for the copyright to (merely) exist has been responsible for many, many authors losing out on their remedies.
Whether you can claim statutory damages and/or attorney's fees, or are limited to claiming provable actual damages and the infringer's profits from the infringement depends on when the copyright was registered. If you register prior to infringement, or within 3 months of first publication (if that was a legitimate, not an infringing, publication), you can claim statutory damages and/or attorney's fees; if you register post-infringement, you are barred from claiming statutory damages or attorney's fees, and are limited to actual damages and profits.
You're so sexy when you speak IPese.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:20am |
re: #148 opnion
Writing a letter to his daughters is one thing, it is quite another to have it publicly exposed.
It smacks of nothing but a cheap publicity stunt & it is at least to me despicable to use his daughters in this way.
You have described in a nutshell the entire Dem philosophy, especially that of Our Messiah-King.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:27am |
re: #178 3 wood
Again, get ready for inflation.
Got the wheelbarrow all set to haul my dollares to the store for my loaf of bread. . .
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:33am |
re: #149 buzzsawmonkey
You are wrong.
Copyright being "automatic with authorship" merely means that you don't lose the copyright if it's published without registration, as was the case prior to 1978. No copyright can be enforced unless it is registered; the registration is your ticket into court. The half-truth that you don't need to register for the copyright to (merely) exist has been responsible for many, many authors losing out on their remedies.
Whether you can claim statutory damages and/or attorney's fees, or are limited to claiming provable actual damages and the infringer's profits from the infringement depends on when the copyright was registered. If you register prior to infringement, or within 3 months of first publication (if that was a legitimate, not an infringing, publication), you can claim statutory damages and/or attorney's fees; if you register post-infringement, you are barred from claiming statutory damages or attorney's fees, and are limited to actual damages and profits.
Yes, that's true about statutory damages. But copyright registration is an aid to collecting damages -- handy proof, basically -- but does not define copyright, and is not a condition of copyright. Copyright is fixed when the work itself is fixed in some way -- to paper, to digital file, to tape, etc.
Yon could still claim enormous actual damages, if he proves his case -- plenty enough to cause pain to Moore.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:34am |
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:50am |
re: #184 DaddyG
But he was paid in Twinkies. What's the going exchange rate on cream filled snack cakes these days?
And even better, the freshness of a Twinkie is the same as the half-life of gold!
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:57am |
re: #180 yma o hyd
Yeah, realized that myself when I saw the progress bar moving and it having a stop time. Drat!
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:15:58am |
re: #184 DaddyG
But he was paid in Twinkies. What's the going exchange rate on cream filled snack cakes these days?
MM bloviates = a Twinkie the size of Manhattan
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:16:04am |
re: #161 experiencedtraveller
If 8200 'ish doesn't hold look out below. 6500 in a few ugly days.
If your scenario is correct, then we are going to 6500 cause it's not going to hold 8200ish.
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x-wing Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:16:20am |
re: #174 indianajane
That roostercam is definitely working!
Lots of shelling going on.
Keep us updated. Rooster cam 4 is full and Roostercam 2 is out of service.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:16:30am |
Can someone PLEASE tell me why I chose this time to have babies 7 and 8. . .
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broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:16:42am |
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates
(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:16:50am |
re: #196 x-wing
Keep us updated. Rooster cam 4 is full and Roostercam 2 is out of service.
So wait: which one is working? I need a specific link, please.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:17:11am |
re: #168 DisturbedEma
sorry unemployment and borderline depression are weighing on me. . .
Exercise. Good luck!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:17:22am |
re: #179 victor_yugo
According to Drudge, Time has had B0 on their cover for 13 times in the past year. That's one cover in every four.
I am surprised it is that little, seriously. I fully expect that ratio to be majorly upped now that Our Messiah-King is about to be anointed, crowned, and invested upon His Throne of Power.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:17:25am |
re: #194 buzzsawmonkey
You're just grooving because I told Cognito he was wrong.
That is why I am. . ."grooving"
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SteveC Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:17:48am |
re: #193 victor_yugo
MM bloviates = a Twinkie the size of Manhattan
*Cough* "That's a hell of a Twinkie!"
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:02am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:04am |
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:23am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
I went with 3).
Got a loan that accepted overpayment, too. Sorta like a 10-year loan.
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:24am |
re: #172 loppyd
It is an interesting study in his personality for sure. Does he crave the approval of people that badly?
I would hope that his principles are stronger than any craving for approval but who knows what's in the man's heart. I voted for him and while I don't regret the vote, given the choices, it would bother me deeply if he de facto helps give the Dems what they seek - filibuster proof passage of their hare-brained ideas.
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:27am |
re: #194 buzzsawmonkey
You're just grooving because I told Cognito he was wrong.
Where is Goddessoftheclassroom? I've been a naughty grammarian and I need redlining.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:18:40am |
re: #203 SteveC
*Cough* "That's a hell of a Twinkie!"
Bite your head off man. . .(I know, out of order in the movie but. . .)
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:19:00am |
re: #118 buzzsawmonkey
The "maverick" is basically a Scoop Jackson Democrat, despite his being elected on the Republican ticket.
McCain should be ashamed of the kind of cmpaign that he ran.
Independents & some Democrats gave him to us in open primaries.
Still he had an obligation to put aside his desire to keep his MSM cred & run a full blown campaign. Palin got it, McCain did not.
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:19:10am |
re: #189 Cognito
I don't know if you got my post on the UN building thread: an earlier version of the story up on the Jpost website did indeed say that the anti-tank fire came "from within the building". A later update to the story dropped the phrase "from within the building".
It seems the details are still unclear.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:19:27am |
re: #208 DaddyG
Where is Goddessoftheclassroom? I've been a naughty grammarian and I need redlining.
Crave the ruler treatment you do. . .
Harsh will she be. . .
Lucky you feel. . .
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:19:33am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
Some say it's not wise to pay cash if you can afford a monthly mortgage payment so you can get the tax refund for the interest. If you follow that school of though then I would go with either option 3 or 4.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:18am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:24am |
re: #210 opnion
McCain should be ashamed of the kind of cmpaign that he ran.
Independents & some Democrats gave him to us in open primaries.
Still he had an obligation to put aside his desire to keep his MSM cred & run a full blown campaign. Palin got it, McCain did not.
Funny, even his crap performance got me to jump ship. . .can you imagine if he had done well. . .
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:41am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:46am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:50am |
re: #189 Cognito
Yes, that's true about statutory damages. But copyright registration is an aid to collecting damages -- handy proof, basically -- but does not define copyright, and is not a condition of copyright. Copyright is fixed when the work itself is fixed in some way -- to paper, to digital file, to tape, etc.
Yon could still claim enormous actual damages, if he proves his case -- plenty enough to cause pain to Moore.
What part of "Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U.S. origin." do you not understand? It's a prerequisite for filing an infringement claim.
) Except for an action brought for a violation of the rights of the author under section 106A(a), and subject to the provisions of subsection (b), no action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title. In any case, however, where the deposit, application, and fee required for registration have been delivered to the Copyright Office in proper form and registration has been refused, the applicant is entitled to institute an action for infringement if notice thereof, with a copy of the complaint, is served on the Register of Copyrights. The Register may, at his or her option, become a party to the action with respect to the issue of registrability of the copyright claim by entering an appearance within sixty days after such service, but the Register's failure to become a party shall not deprive the court of jurisdiction to determine that issue.
You have to register the work to file an infringement suit.
That doesn't mean that you don't have copyright protection, but registration is a necessary precondition to file suit to protect your claim. The timing of when you file the copyright determines what damages and compensation you can claim.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:51am |
re: #211 Kenneth
Yep. I'm curious why they updated it. I suspect they made the same assumption some other folks are making, and were forced to clarify it, so to speak.
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:20:57am |
re: #197 DisturbedEma
Can someone PLEASE tell me why I chose this time to have babies 7 and 8. . .
I was born the year MLK and RFK were assassinated. Mom was scared. The next year, we walked on the Moon.
"Man is born to trouble, just like sparks float up from a fire." -- Job 5:7
FWIW, if you weren't worried about your kids even before they're born, then I'd be worried about you.
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x-wing Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:07am |
re: #199 vxbush
So wait: which one is working? I need a specific link, please.
This one..but it's full
[Link: switch434-01.castup.net...]
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:28am |
re: #218 buzzsawmonkey
You are not listening. You cannot go to court at all if you don't have a registration. The case will be dismisssed. I suggest that you read Section 411 of the Copyright Law, which clearly states that registration is necessary to embark on an infringement action.
Oh, baby! I love it when you give the VP the rough side of your tongue. . .wait. . .eww sorry. . .
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:38am |
re: #98 Kenneth
Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden...
...now that he's been elected. Likewise, it is not longer necessary to close Gitmo or withdraw from Iraq.
Our Messiah-King is showing Himself to be a crass Chicago politico by spreading lies as freely as manure on geraniums.
But the acolytes and true believers will still be worshipful and in awe of His Majesty.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:40am |
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:21:59am |
re: #219 DisturbedEma
Cool! I hope you're planning on setting up a live streaming webcam during the delivery. Charles can put it up on the front page!
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:13am |
re: #156 DisturbedEma
like his "prayer" at the Western Wall. . .he has to work at humble. . .poor deity. . .a burden for sure!
I forgot that. His prayer was conveniently discovered by a journalist & published. Obama is a media whore.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:17am |
re: #214 loppyd
Some say it's not wise to pay cash if you can afford a monthly mortgage payment so you can get the tax refund for the interest. If you follow that school of though then I would go with either option 3 or 4.
I've read/heard that argument, and I think it's only valid if the tax refund equals or exceeds the interest paid on the loan.
Today, however, if you paid cash, you could put the interest payments in the stock market, and lose roughly the same amount of money.
There's always a cloud behind the silver lining ...
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:21am |
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:22am |
re: #206 jwb7605
I went with 3).
Got a loan that accepted overpayment, too. Sorta like a 10-year loan.
Go ahead and buy, but I seriously not not recommend going 0 down with 30 fixed.
If you can afford it, put down what you can, and go with a 15 (or 30), where your mortgage payment is 1/4 of your take-home pay.
That will ensure you will be able to retire well.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:54am |
re: #218 buzzsawmonkey
You are not listening. You cannot go to court at all if you don't have a registration. The case will be dismisssed. I suggest that you read Section 411 of the Copyright Law, which clearly states that registration is necessary to embark on an infringement action.
I know that. Relax.
You can register the work the day before you walk into court. It need not be registered to make the copyright valid, though. It need not be registered to be violated, as in the potential Yon/Moore case.
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:22:59am |
re: #221 Cognito
maybe... or it was just one of several phrases altered in the article. It really isn't clear one way or the other.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:07am |
re: #140 loppyd
Why he would ever want or care about being in the good graces of the MSM after what they did to him during the campaign is beyond me.
A perfect example of a different mind set from some on the right and left. I liked both McCain and Obama for both saying that they'd try for what's they feel is good for the country, and not care from which side the idea came from.
A idea is not automatically bad if it come from the other party, be they Republican or Democrat. I know that's a radical concept to some on the far left and right, but not to the middle.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:09am |
re: #197 DisturbedEma
Can someone PLEASE tell me why I chose this time to have babies 7 and 8. . .
umm...because you are a saint?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:17am |
re: #222 victor_yugo
I was born the year MLK and RFK were assassinated. Mom was scared. The next year, we walked on the Moon.
"Man is born to trouble, just like sparks float up from a fire." -- Job 5:7
FWIW, if you weren't worried about your kids even before they're born, then I'd be worried about you.
Yeah, I suppose, and I feel bad about stressing this much outside of Isrel where there are plenty of parents stressing. . .but it is just weighing on me how we will support them all. . .manna from heaven I suppose:)
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broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:35am |
re: #214 loppyd
Some say it's not wise to pay cash if you can afford a monthly mortgage payment so you can get the tax refund for the interest. If you follow that school of though then I would go with either option 3 or 4.
Thanks for the advice. The other school of money said it's not good to be paying $1.00 to get .30 back.
But I am thinking of 15 years term since the 30 years rate is dropping.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:40am |
re: #220 lawhawk
You have to register the work to file an infringement suit.
That doesn't mean that you don't have copyright protection, but registration is a necessary precondition to file suit to protect your claim. The timing of when you file the copyright determines what damages and compensation you can claim.
Where did I say otherwise?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:44am |
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indianajane Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:44am |
Sorry, I jumped the gun, it was a You tube video and not live.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:23:50am |
re: #230 jwb7605
I've read/heard that argument, and I think it's only valid if the tax refund equals or exceeds the interest paid on the loan.
Today, however, if you paid cash, you could put the interest payments in the stock market, and lose roughly the same amount of money.
There's always a cloud behind the silver lining ...
I don't recall the exact amount, but we got a nice deduction last year...
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:00am |
re: #165 bulwrk
Open letter to young daughters= very creepy.
Anything like building a mausoleum and engraving your accomplishments on while still perpendicular to the horizon? Cause, that's been done by the new junior Senator from Lincoln-land.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:14am |
re: #239 Peacekeeper
Cognito you outta control
again?
There we go
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notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:18am |
If you appreciate Michael Yon's reporting coverage and photojournalism, please make a contribution at his online website.
[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]
Michael Moore Misuses Photo Taken by War Correspondent
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Michael Moore Angers War Photographer
[Link: news.aol.com...]
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:24am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
Depends on a lot of things, and I would recommend you bounce this off a professional adviser you trust, who will need more detail about your finances/tax situation than you of course want to go into here.
I assume the house is to be used as your principle residence and not as income producing property.
Assuming that is correct, I would buy the house with the fixed rate deal that suits you best, as long as it has a provision for you to be able to make overpayments without penalty. Keep your cash as when inflation hits you will want to be able to roll that over repeatedly in something that will go up with inflation over time, to preserve your wealth.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:43am |
re: #183 MandyManners
He didn't write it to his daughters. He wrote to the MFM.
We are all His children, now.
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:54am |
OT, Dems to Reintroduce Military Draft Bill
[Link: thehill.com...]
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:57am |
re: #238 broomer
Thanks for the advice. The other school of money said it's not good to be paying $1.00 to get .30 back.
But I am thinking of 15 years term since the 30 years rate is dropping.
The BF is a mortgage broker. I'd be happy to get free advice for you if you need it....
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:24:58am |
re: #183 MandyManners
He didn't write it to his daughters. He wrote to the MFM.
I do believe that you are literally correct. The salutation was just the window dressing.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:06am |
re: #239 Peacekeeper
Cognito you outta control again?
Precisely define control, please.
And while you're at it, clarify "again".
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:07am |
re: #240 Cognito
Where did I say otherwise?
Ah the "I know you are but what am I" genre response. . .classic VP
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:14am |
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broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:20am |
re: #232 astronmr20
Go ahead and buy, but I seriously not not recommend going 0 down with 30 fixed.
If you can afford it, put down what you can, and go with a 15 (or 30), where your mortgage payment is 1/4 of your take-home pay.
That will ensure you will be able to retire well.
Agreed. That's how I have equity to cash out now to buy a home in a better school district. I will be putting down 20% down payment.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:23am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
Personally, I think it is wise to carry as little debt as possible. I never saw the value in paying interest instead of taxes, it's still cash out, unless you can deduct it 1-for-1.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:35am |
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:25:56am |
re: #214 loppyd
Some say it's not wise to pay cash if you can afford a monthly mortgage payment so you can get the tax refund for the interest. If you follow that school of though then I would go with either option 3 or 4.
I never understood the math on that one.
You pay 100% of the interest due and get 20% of it back in tax refunds? Why not just save it all?
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itellu3times Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:26:12am |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
I thought the biggest mortars the US used were 120mm.
I think even some mobile 155's are official "mortars" cuz they have short barrels.
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notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:26:22am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:26:32am |
re: #248 Guanxi88
We are all His children, now.
We are the world. . .we are dear leader children of the corn
Rearrrrrrange out morals
Innnsaaaaaane taxes
dear leader children of the corn- I did it for me to do it for you. . .
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:26:52am |
Totally OT, but pitchers and catchers report in 27 days! WooHoo!
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broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:26:54am |
re: #251 loppyd
The BF is a mortgage broker. I'd be happy to get free advice for you if you need it....
Thanks. I appreciate it. I'm getting advice but I always look for the most repeated information to know that I'll be making the right decision.
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:00am |
re: #220 lawhawk
If I am following this the point could be that if you have an unregistered copyright it means that the other guy can't get away with suing for damages over it. Say you wrote something and it is know to 20 people, then one of them who saw it on a blog, publishes it under their own name claiming it was their wit and wisdom and then the NY Times uses it without attribution. You have real damages against the first thief for the money they made from your idea but not punitive damages because it wasn't registered. If they sue the times they have no standing because they didn't really own it, the Times may owe you or you could sue to get anything the Times paid the first thief. Am I right?
Similar to when Apple sued Microsoft but it turned out the ideas were really from Xerox.
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tfc3rid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:02am |
re: #178 3 wood
Again, get ready for inflation.
I cannot fathom that this is what the George W. Bush presidency has left us with... Creeping socialism comes into the open... Once it is out, it will never be put back...
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:07am |
No copyright can be enforced unless it is registeredBefore an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U.S. origin.
These are 2 different statements. You can "enforce" the copyright without going to court - cease and desist, negotiation, settlement,arbitration(maybe).
Plus the same site you reference says
registration is not a condition of copyright protectionRegistration may be made at any time within the life of the copyright.
I agree that registration is helpful.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:13am |
re: #259 eschew_obfuscation
I never understood the math on that one.
You pay 100% of the interest due and get 20% of it back in tax refunds? Why not just save it all?
In the words of BHO that is above my pay grade. LOL
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:14am |
re: #259 eschew_obfuscation
Try Canada. Mortgage interest has never been tax deductible up here.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:30am |
re: #263 Ford_Prefect
Totally OT, but pitchers and catchers report in 27 days! WooHoo!
I thought Barney was already sworn in ...
/
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:37am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:38am |
re: #250 alegrias
OT, Dems to Reintroduce Military Draft Bill
[Link: thehill.com...]
Yeah, but lets be honest, nobody takes Charlie Rangel seriously anymore?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:40am |
re: #253 jwb7605
Precisely define control, please.
And while you're at it, clarify "again".
Um, define that precise a fied word. . .VP cannot compute. . .
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:45am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:27:59am |
re: #122 SteveC
No. But HELL no!
You want lotsa little UNs running around, crapping their drawers and getting into everything?
At least we could lock them in the basement where they wouldn't wreck anything of consequence....
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:28:25am |
re: #267 faraway
Exactly. People are conflating two ideas, here.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:28:25am |
re: #209 DisturbedEma
Bite your head off man. . .(I know, out of order in the movie but. . .)
"ARE YOU A GOD?"
"Um... no."
"THEN DIE!
*Big Explosion! The Ghostbusters are almost blown off the roof*
"Barak... the next time some ancient broad asks if you are a god, Say YES!"
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:28:33am |
re: #231 Leonidas Hoplite
What do you suggest?
Well, there is no perfect answer to that. Some like gold, but that is very volatile and there can be some heavy carry costs to that.
Personally, I am keeping a certain portion of my nest egg fairly liquid right now, and then will put it in a ladder structure of insured CD's as the rates start ratcheting up.
For anybody who put their money in Treasuries as a safe haven, be ready to either move it quick of hold on to maturity, cause once rates start up the market value of those Treasuries will drop like a rock.
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:28:54am |
re: #197 DisturbedEma
Can someone PLEASE tell me why I chose this time to have babies 7 and 8. . .
So you could start your own sit-com. :)
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alegrias Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:00am |
re: #266 tfc3rid
I cannot fathom that this is what the George W. Bush presidency has left us with... Creeping socialism comes into the open... Once it is out, it will never be put back...
****
Not true, plenty of former soviet countries NOW have flat tax systems and want to get away from their socialist, SSR past.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:00am |
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:02am |
re: #195 3 wood
If your scenario is correct, then we are going to 6500 cause it's not going to hold 8200ish.
A prediction you can hold me to. The market will go up shortly, just based on some faith that a change is coming. Yes, it might be just rock star groupies getting fired up, but I predict it happening.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:14am |
re: #268 loppyd
In the words of BHO that is above my pay grade. LOL
I hate to admit this, but I'm not all that good at saving small amounts of money for the future, either.
The lump sum tax thing is nice. I know I lost money, but ....
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:15am |
re: #197 DisturbedEma
Can someone PLEASE tell me why I chose this time to have babies 7 and 8. . .
Nothing on TV?
It was raining all weekend?
It was fun?
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:15am |
re: #197 DisturbedEma
ALL HANDS ON DECK-we got any midwives here? Any OBGYNs?
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itellu3times Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:25am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
I'm expecting humongous inflation will start up shortly, so you'd want to own real assets and let things ride, so (4).
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:34am |
re: #226 MandyManners
Which one?
'twas my mistake, mandy - I thought I got a live feed, but it was only a vdeo take on youtube, sorry!
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:44am |
re: #269 Kenneth
Try Canada. Mortgage interest has never been tax deductible up here.
So THAT's why people in Canada live in igloos!? Who knew?
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:29:48am |
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:01am |
Hi name was Said Siam.
The article doesn't say if they got his cousin, Youare Yournot.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:10am |
re: #280 Texas Heathen
So you could start your own sit-com. :)
2 Yids and their 8 kids?
oh that is bad!
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itellu3times Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:17am |
re: #288 itellu3times
I'm expecting humongous inflation will start up shortly, so you'd want to own real assets and let things ride, so (4).
OTOH, if you believe we might go into deflation, you'd want just the opposite. But my bet is on #4.
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NotThatGordo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:17am |
Boomer,
A totally separate reason for not paying cash if you can get a good low interest loan for part of the principle has shown up in So. Cal. the last few years with the big fires.
If you have no mortgage company to threaten the insurance company when your home burns in the wildfire - the insurance company just won't pay. They figure they have more lawyers than you do. Sad but I know at least 3 people who have faced this.
NTG
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:22am |
re: #271 opnion
Ok, how do I get it?
He (I think he's a dude) posted this earlier and it made me think of you.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:25am |
re: #269 Kenneth
Try Canada. Mortgage interest has never been tax deductible up here.
Hence, no property bubble (among other reasons)
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:25am |
"Israel has more fatalities than Hamas," added Mashaal.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Me thinketh somebody wasn't paying attention in math class?
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:35am |
re: #250 alegrias
OT, Dems to Reintroduce Military Draft Bill
[Link: thehill.com...]
Rangle is not going anywhere with his annual draft push.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:48am |
re: #285 lifeofthemind
Nothing on TV?
It was raining all weekend?
It was fun?
all of the abve and add-
did not see the new world order appoaching and had the audacity to hope. . .ack!
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:30:53am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
Why sell your house, then buy another?
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:31:11am |
re: #275 loppyd
GIDDYUP!
Can't wait to see our team on the field, Loppy. Some nice additions. I still want to see Tek back, though.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:31:16am |
re: #250 alegrias
OT, Dems to Reintroduce Military Draft Bill
[Link: thehill.com...]
Will be regarded as perfectly acceptable since now the Presidency is controlled by the "Good" Party, not the EEEEVILLLL Republicans.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:31:34am |
re: #20 Kosh's Shadow
Just picked up "An American Carol" last night. Hope to watch it soon.
Or I could just watch Moore blow himself up in "Team America: World Police"
It isnt the best movie I've seen. Not even in the top ten. There are parts which actually made me cry. I'll let you guess what part
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:31:35am |
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:07am |
re: #299 Nevergiveup
"Israel has more fatalities than Hamas," added Mashaal.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Me thinketh somebody wasn't paying attention in math class?
He meant "Facilities" It is the war against the Loos.
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Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:12am |
re: #281 alegrias
****
Not true, plenty of former soviet countries NOW have flat tax systems and want to get away from their socialist, SSR past.
True, but hopefully that doesn't mean we go full-blowm communist before we get back to the RIGHT way of doing things...
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:23am |
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notutopia Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:27am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:31am |
re: #284 jwb7605
I hate to admit this, but I'm not all that good at saving small amounts of money for the future, either.
The lump sum tax thing is nice. I know I lost money, but ....
I think it's a psychological thing for me. We definitely cannot pay our house off so it feels good to see that deduction, you know?
Oh and I am THE WORST about saving money. The BF has had a profound influence on my spending habits. My credit score thanks him, but my wardrobe despises him. :~)
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:35am |
re: #299 Nevergiveup
"Israel has more fatalities than Hamas," added Mashaal.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Me thinketh somebody wasn't paying attention in math class?
I don't know how anyone including the IDF could have accurate body counts at this point. These numbers have to be Hamas propaganda.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:40am |
re: #299 Nevergiveup
"Israel has more fatalities than Hamas," added Mashaal.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Me thinketh somebody wasn't paying attention in math class?
Someone tell the disproportion police. . .Israel is the victim here. . .we know fucking hamas always tells the truth. . ./////sarc
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lifeofthemind Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:42am |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:44am |
re: #278 SteveC
"ARE YOU A GOD?"
"Um... no."
"THEN DIE!
*Big Explosion! The Ghostbusters are almost blown off the roof*
"Barak... the next time some ancient broad asks if you are a god, Say YES!"
Forced to correct you here. I'm fairly sure if Barry was asked if he were a god, he wouldn't hesitate to answer yes.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:32:44am |
re: #293 DisturbedEma
2 Yids and their 8 kids?
oh that is bad!
I'm just fine with my 9
Just wait till the grandkids start rolling in.
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:05am |
re: #303 faraway
Why sell your house, then buy another?
Um, maybe your kids grew up and left?
Maybe the neighborhood deteriorated?
Maybe you drive too far to work?
Maybe you just want to?
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:23am |
re: #297 loppyd
He (I think he's a dude) posted this earlier and it made me think of you.
That's good ,thanks. There is a reason that Lassie was a dog.
A cat would have just looked at Grandpa under the tractor , smirking & licking a paw.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:23am |
re: #304 Ford_Prefect
Can't wait to see our team on the field, Loppy. Some nice additions. I still want to see Tek back, though.
I just don't want to see him batting with two outs in a playoff.
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:28am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:38am |
re: #310 Leonidas Hoplite
True, but hopefully that doesn't mean we go full-blowm communist before we get back to the RIGHT way of doing things...
Fat chance of that happening now that we are about to anoint, crown, and invest Our Messiah-King upon His Throne of Power.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:43am |
re: #297 loppyd
He (I think he's a dude) posted this earlier and it made me think of you.
No, she's not!
:-))
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:47am |
re: #299 Nevergiveup
"Israel has more fatalities than Hamas," added Mashaal.
Maybe he's using the same exchange rate as in prisoner swaps.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:33:58am |
re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Forced to correct you here. I'm fairly sure if Barry was asked if he were a god, he wouldn't hesitate to answer yes.
He's Nyarlathotep, the messenger of the Elder Gods.
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:00am |
re: #322 MandyManners
Did you see the linky I left for you?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:02am |
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:05am |
re: #259 eschew_obfuscation
I never understood the math on that one.
You pay 100% of the interest due and get 20% of it back in tax refunds? Why not just save it all?
Depends on your tax situation and your opportunity cost of other options.
Right now, you can borrow money for record low rates. I'd be doing that and preserving my cash. That way you can make interest on the earnings and write off part of the borrowing cost. That is likely to turn into a legal arbitrage when rates jump back up.
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:09am |
The Elephant in the Room: McCain may be Obama's secret weapon
A desire by both men to secure their places in history might forge an unlikely pairing.
[Link: www.philly.com...]
By Rick Santorum
Rick, we here at LGFs are way ahead of ya. We all have been saying that since the night after the elections. Right Lizards?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:23am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:24am |
re: #286 WriterMom
ALL HANDS ON DECK-we got any midwives here? Any OBGYNs?
I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:54am |
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:34:58am |
re: #265 lifeofthemind
Similar to when Apple sued Microsoft but it turned out the ideas were really from Xerox.
Heavily influenced by Doug Engelbart's oN-Line System and Ivan Sutherland's Sketchpad, just done with graphics mode instead of text mode. Xerox used the graphics mode to give the most accurate preview possible for printed output on their newly-invented laser printer.
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:18am |
re: #301 buzzsawmonkey
No, you can't "register the work the day before you walk into court," because you need the certificate as an exhibit on the complaint. It can take the Copyright Office anywhere from 4 weeks to 6 months to process an application, depending on the examiners' workload, unless you pay a hefty sum for special handling, in which case you can get the registration back in about a week. But you need the certificate for the complaint.
More to the point, if registration occurred after infringement, unless it was done within the magic 3-month window following the date of first legitimate publication, the delay in registering means, as I said above, that you cannot claim either attorney's fees or statutory damages, but are limited to provable actual damages and the infringer's profits.
Statutory damages--particularly statutory damages for willful infringement, which can go up to $150,000 per infringed work--can often be more than actual damages and profits, so losing that remedy reduces the recovery substantially.
The real loss, however, is the ability to claim attorney's fees, because if one cannot recover attorney's fees from the infringer the costs of litigation can quickly eat up the lion's share of a potential recovery.
Wow. Dude.
1) You're being a bit literal about registering before court. I think you know what I mean: Whether it's a day or a week, registration only must be made before bringing the case to court. Not before violation. Not before publication. Et cetera.
2) Yes, as noted long ago, we agree on statutory damages. My point has never been about statutory damages. Merely that registration is not a prerequisite to valid copyright.
Copy?
Right?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:20am |
re: #292 CyanSnowHawk
Hi name was Said Siam.
The article doesn't say if they got his cousin, Youare Yournot.
That Said Siam! That Said Siam! I do not like that Said Siam!
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:22am |
re: #115 3 wood
OT: Look for the Dow to fall below the 8,000 level today.
Oil is down to $33.88 gold is at $809.40
Technically- as I hinted to you recently, with the Bollinger Bands narrowing and all- this downturn was easily predictable.
As the market is right not at a (the last from returning to the prior low) 61.8 Fibonacci Retracement from the recent high, I might expect a rally here.
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:28am |
re: #266 tfc3rid
I cannot fathom that this is what the George W. Bush presidency has left us with... Creeping socialism comes into the open... Once it is out, it will never be put back...
Looks that way.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:39am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:44am |
re: #333 MandyManners
I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies.
I get light headed just thinking about it. God knows what will happen to me when I actually go through it.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:53am |
re: #329 loppyd
I thought you had gone away. I'm sorry I stole your thunder. :(
I was looking desperately for a live roostercam ...
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:35:58am |
re: #314 eschew_obfuscation
I don't know how anyone including the IDF could have accurate body counts at this point. These numbers have to be Hamas propaganda.
Perhaps they are including all the normal fatalities that occur throughout Israel (old age, car accidents, etc.), not just those caused by Hamas.
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:15am |
re: #263 Ford_Prefect
Totally OT, but pitchers and catchers report in 27 days! WooHoo!
My gaydar started blaring. I don't get it.
/
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:21am |
re: #313 loppyd
I think it's a psychological thing for me. We definitely cannot pay our house off so it feels good to see that deduction, you know?
Oh and I am THE WORST about saving money. The BF has had a profound influence on my spending habits. My credit score thanks him, but my wardrobe despises him. :~)
I'm unemployed. I have just enough money from my 401K (rolled over to an IRA) to just barely pay my house off.
I have clear title to my vehicles.
... I know it's a "bad idea", but not worrying about whether "the man could come and take it all away" is looking more and more attractive.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:29am |
re: #321 loppyd
I just don't want to see him batting with two outs in a playoff.
Granted. Hopefully last year was just a blip and he comes back a little stronger. He has never been a great hitter, but he isn't usually a liability. What he gives us behind the plate, though, can't be replaced easily.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:33am |
re: #327 Kosh's Shadow
He's Nyarlathotep, the messenger of the Elder Gods.
Seems to be fairly accurate
Nyarlathotep's first appearance is in the eponymous short story by Lovecraft (1920), in which he is described as a "tall, swarthy man" who resembles an Egyptian Pharaoh. In this story he wanders the earth, seemingly gathering legions of followers through his demonstrations of strange and seemingly magical instruments, the narrator of the story among them. These followers lose awareness of the world around them, and through the narrator's increasingly unreliable accounts the reader gets a sense of the world's utter collapse. The story ends with the narrator as part of an army of servants for Nyarlathotep.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:53am |
re: #341 loppyd
I get light headed just thinking about it. God knows what will happen to me when I actually go through it.
I won't tell you about 36 hours of labor, then.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:36:59am |
re: #329 loppyd
I thought you had gone away. I'm sorry I stole your thunder. :(
Heh - you didn't!
That image will have to do for now, not that the one from Gaza looked much different before it went off ...
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Sharmuta Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:37:06am |
re: #336 Cognito
Please spare us the mock indignation. Otherwise carry on. I'm enjoying this.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:37:13am |
re: #317 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Forced to correct you here. I'm fairly sure if Barry was asked if he were a god, he wouldn't hesitate to answer, "Um, yes".
FTFY
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:37:45am |
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Lee Coller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:37:56am |
re: #259 eschew_obfuscation
I never understood the math on that one.
You pay 100% of the interest due and get 20% of it back in tax refunds? Why not just save it all?
Depending on what state you live in and your income it can be a lot more than 20% back. It can exceed 50% for some in high tax brackets in states with high taxes such as California. The argument is that you can invest the balance at a higher rate than the interested rate when adjusted for the tax deduction (i.e., if you are paying 6%, but get 50% back due to taxes, and can make more than 3% you are ahead).
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:37:57am |
re: #287 Iron Fist
It helps to keep in mind that they are Democrats. Virtually no Democrat in the last fourty years has been pro-Military (or, for that matter, pro-US).
Uh, Zell Miller?
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:13am |
re: #277 Cognito
Exactly. People are conflating two ideas, here.
You and agree. [has hell frozen over?]
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:14am |
re: #318 Alouette
I'm just fine with my 9
Just wait till the grandkids start rolling in.
Yeah- I am already for First Bubbe/Savta status
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:44am |
The IDF whacked another evil bastard today.
this time the Hamas "interior minister" - in other words, chief thug , torturer, and executioner.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
"One of the top Hamas leaders in Gaza has been killed in an air strike, Hamas and Israeli officials have said.
Said Siyam, the Hamas interior minister, was killed in an air raid on his brother's home near Gaza City. "
/cracks open a beer...
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tfc3rid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:49am |
re: #281 alegrias
****
Not true, plenty of former soviet countries NOW have flat tax systems and want to get away from their socialist, SSR past.
I meant here... Too much entitlement generation, not enought people who want to do it on their own...
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:38:55am |
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Nevergiveup Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:39:02am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:39:21am |
re: #351 buzzsawmonkey
Naaaaaaah. But thanks for the offer.
Having worked in the copyright area for quite some time now, I have long known that there are a lot of urban legends floating around (such as the "mail it to yourself" nonsense that simply refuses to die), and that some people simply refuse to replace those legends with knowledge.
Then they get infringed and come crying to the office, and it's always the lawyer's fault for giving them the bad news that there's nothing to be done because of their own failure to take some simple protective steps.
Arguing with you about this is similar to being a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:39:29am |
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:39:42am |
re: #288 itellu3times
I'm expecting humongous inflation will start up shortly, so you'd want to own real assets and let things ride, so (4).
ah, you remember 1977, 78, 79?
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:39:46am |
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:07am |
re: #362 buzzdroid
The IDF whacked another evil bastard today.
Was he is a mosque, a school, or a hospital?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:16am |
re: #352 Sharmuta
Please spare us the mock indignation. Otherwise carry on. I'm enjoying this.
Me too. . .Hit em up style. . .
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:18am |
re: #341 loppyd
I get light headed just thinking about it. God knows what will happen to me when I actually go through it.
Agreed!
My young friend Susan is due in three weeks, more or less. She periodically says she's seriously thinking about just passing out.
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3 wood Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:40am |
Got to go teach an investments class.
Later folks.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:53am |
New Fox news poll says 2/3rd think Obama meeting or exceeding expectations, 76% approval rating so far. Only way to go is down, 50% think he can't meet expectations once in power.
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tfc3rid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:40:54am |
OT but any ATL area Lizards, hit my email up, I have a few questions...
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:23am |
re: #330 3 wood
Depends on your tax situation and your opportunity cost of other options.
Right now, you can borrow money for record low rates. I'd be doing that and preserving my cash. That way you can make interest on the earnings and write off part of the borrowing cost. That is likely to turn into a legal arbitrage when rates jump back up.
Where is your cash?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:29am |
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:35am |
re: #319 jwb7605
Um, maybe your kids grew up and left?
Maybe the neighborhood deteriorated?
Maybe you drive too far to work?
Maybe you just want to?
I was responding assuming this was simply a financial exercise. Of course, any of those reasons would be good, if they were givens.
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:41:45am |
re: #337 Guanxi88
That's funny because I recently started reading Dr. Suess with my youngest daughter.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:05am |
re: #344 faraway
My gaydar started blaring. I don't get it.
/
It's the start of spring training, not the day that Obama rescinds "Don't ask, Don't tell".
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:17am |
re: #361 Iron Fist
Obama's Cult of Personality is very reminiscent of Stalin's. The Dear Leader can do no wrong, all love the Dear Leader, etc. Obama himself strikes me as being more like Mussolini. Arrogant and proud, with a huge over-appreciation for how great and wonderful he is.
Eric Raymond saw that seven months ago.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:26am |
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:27am |
re: #266 tfc3rid
I cannot fathom that this is what the George W. Bush presidency has left us with... Creeping socialism comes into the open... Once it is out, it will never be put back...
Razorbacker quoted Plato yesterday on something like this. George Bush didn't give us most of this mess. It came from years of people wanting something for nothing and politicians (tolerated/elected by the public) creating devices (CRA) to maintain their power.
"All forms of government destroy themselves by carrying their basic principles to excess. The democracies become too free, in politics and economics, in morals, even in literature and art, until at last even the puppy dogs in our homes rise on their hind legs and demand their rights...Disorder grows to such a point that a society will abandon all its liberty to anyone who can restore order."
-Plato The Republic
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seekeroftruth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:55am |
re: #351 buzzsawmonkey
Naaaaaaah. But thanks for the offer.
Having worked in the copyright area for quite some time now, I have long known that there are a lot of urban legends floating around (such as the "mail it to yourself" nonsense that simply refuses to die), and that some people simply refuse to replace those legends with knowledge.
Then they get infringed and come crying to the office, and it's always the lawyer's fault for giving them the bad news that there's nothing to be done because of their own failure to take some simple protective steps.
And our member of the MSM is trying to correct you. Oy....
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debutaunt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:42:57am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:08am |
re: #372 Opinionated
Was he is a mosque, a school, or a hospital?
and how many women and children did he surrond his sorry ass self with?
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:15am |
re: #349 MandyManners
I won't tell you about 36 hours of labor, then.
Why didn't they do a C-section?! One friend of mine was in labor for 26 hours with her first, then they decided to do a C-section. With her second, she was in labor for 19 hours before they did it; with her third, rather than go through this again, they just scheduled the operation, and she was much less exhausted afterwards.
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:19am |
re: #382 jwb7605
Mandy! You are conflating things!
But she's no match for Zombie's conflated scrotum guy.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:25am |
re: #345 jwb7605
I'm unemployed. I have just enough money from my 401K (rolled over to an IRA) to just barely pay my house off.
I have clear title to my vehicles.... I know it's a "bad idea", but not worrying about whether "the man could come and take it all away" is looking more and more attractive.
That 10% penalty for cashing out the 401k is a big hit.
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:27am |
re: #372 Opinionated
Was he is a mosque, a school, or a hospital?
hiding in his brothers house.
hamasshole leaders sure do like to play hidey hidey when the IDF come calling...
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:44am |
re: #348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Obama resembling Nyarlathotep]
You are more correct than you think:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:43:57am |
re: #395 buzzdroid
hiding in his brothers house.
hamasshole leaders sure do like to play hidey hidey when the IDF come calling...
Ali, Ali, oxygen-free?
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:44:03am |
re: #384 CyanSnowHawk
It's the start of spring training, not the day that Obama rescinds "Don't ask, Don't tell".
Now that was funny. Upding!
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:44:05am |
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:44:09am |
OT-ish, from The Muqata:
7:46 PM Channel 10 reports that the IDF is operating in the middle of Gaza City.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:44:56am |
re: #349 MandyManners
I won't tell you about 36 hours of labor, then.
I thought you were supposed to wait until a woman was pregnant before starting the "Scare the new Mom" stories.
/I always thought that was a rather odd tradition actually.
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Bloodnok Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:44:58am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:45:04am |
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:45:11am |
re: #394 CyanSnowHawk
That 10% penalty for cashing out the 401k is a big hit.
Would have been, in actual dollars, a bigger hit +25% of it's current value a year ago ...
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:45:21am |
re: #391 DisturbedEma
and how many women and children did he surrond his sorry ass self with?
The big question is when does CNN show a tape of him playing with babies and puppies while feeding the poor and donating his liver to a sick child?
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:45:42am |
re: #345 jwb7605
I'm unemployed. I have just enough money from my 401K (rolled over to an IRA) to just barely pay my house off.
I have clear title to my vehicles.... I know it's a "bad idea", but not worrying about whether "the man could come and take it all away" is looking more and more attractive.
Just a small point in case your unemployment lasts too long. 401k money is protected in bankruptcy - so I would not use that to pay off the house.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:45:51am |
re: #389 seekeroftruth
And our member of the MSM is trying to correct you. Oy....
Sure, because the msmcog know about MSM- and THAT is the important thing. . .not those silly "facts". . .or the laughable 'knowledge'- msmcog is only concerned with how to report opinion as fact and muddle the waters of logic and reason and verifiable information with his vapid and utterly laughable "debates"
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:06am |
re: #392 Dianna
Why didn't they do a C-section?! One friend of mine was in labor for 26 hours with her first, then they decided to do a C-section. With her second, she was in labor for 19 hours before they did it; with her third, rather than go through this again, they just scheduled the operation, and she was much less exhausted afterwards.
I have no idea. It wound up being a crash forceps delivery. It was right out of the movie "Alien".
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:24am |
re: #333 MandyManners
I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies.
Which led me, inexplicably, to Porgy and Bess.
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victor_yugo Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:28am |
re: #407 Opinionated
The big question is when does CNN show a tape of him playing with babies and puppies while feeding the poor and donating his liver to a sick child?
Wait, are we talking about 0bama here?
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:35am |
re: #400 yma o hyd
OT-ish, from The Muqata:
7:46 PM Channel 10 reports that the IDF is operating in the middle of Gaza City.
considering how small gaza city is, sounds like the IDF is being utterly meticulous and inching forward , house by house... eliminating the bad guys on the way...
i mean - we're into several days of urban combat now.
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:44am |
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:46am |
re: #395 buzzdroid
hiding in his brothers house.
hamasshole leaders sure do like to play hidey hidey when the IDF come calling...
Was he playing on the roof with the other "children"?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:48am |
re: #347 Ford_Prefect
Granted. Hopefully last year was just a blip and he comes back a little stronger. He has never been a great hitter, but he isn't usually a liability. What he gives us behind the plate, though, can't be replaced easily.
Agreed. 100%
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:51am |
re: #333 MandyManners
I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies.
But you've had one. You've at least got experience.
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tfc3rid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:46:51am |
re: #404 Iron Fist
the last thing I like hearing on the radio is that John McCain is the GOP standard bearer... Give me a break...
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:00am |
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vapig Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:15am |
re: #330 3 wood
Depends on your tax situation and your opportunity cost of other options.
Right now, you can borrow money for record low rates. I'd be doing that and preserving my cash. That way you can make interest on the earnings and write off part of the borrowing cost. That is likely to turn into a legal arbitrage when rates jump back up.
I paid cash for my condo, skipping all the interest and fees. I don't have kids, so I don't need to itemize. I have no bills and file short form at tax time. I get oodles back from the gov't (I used to be able to figure my deductions in order to break even).
Bottom line - my life is very uncomplicated and stressfree. I am truly blessed!
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:41am |
Just in: Hamas agrees to one year renewable cease fire, but says IDF must withdraw in week, open borders. No reply for Israel yet.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:41am |
re: #407 Opinionated
The big question is when does CNN show a tape of him playing with babies and puppies while feeding the poor and donating his liver to a sick child?
They are buffering that footage as we speak. . .trying to hide the edits. . .
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:51am |
re: #412 victor_yugo
Wait, are we talking about 0bama here?
No. If it was Obama he would be doing it with his arms tied behind his back.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:51am |
re: #396 Kosh's Shadow
[Obama resembling Nyarlathotep]
You are more correct than you think:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
So who is the King in Yellow?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:47:53am |
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Cognito Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:03am |
re: #401 buzzsawmonkey
"This isn't going to do any good. You'll never understand me, but I'll try one more time and then give it up."
--Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"1) Registration "need not be made before [infringement] or before publication", true; it only needs to be made before infringement, or within 3 months of first publication [regarding an infringement made within those 3 months], if you want to have a case that is worth pursuing at all. Most infringements do not carry sufficient damages to make the case worth pursuing, economically, if you cannot claim statutory damages or attorney's fees. Yes, you have "the right" to proceed--but that and two bucks gets you on the subway. Few people have the tens of thousands of dollars it takes to mount a copyright case in order to recover a few hundred, or a few thousand, dollars as a "matter of principle."
2) Again, an unenforceable "valid copyright" is like a car up on blocks; it looks pretty, but it doesn't go anywhere. Accordingly, if someone wants to enforce their valid copyrights they had best learn the various aspects of registration.
That's all fine. Again: My whole point, in its meager entirety, has been that copyright is automatic with authorship.
Not statutory value. Not cars on blocks. Not subway rides. Mere ownership.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:09am |
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vapig Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:23am |
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:25am |
'Hamas' military wing has threatened to avenge the death of the organization's interior minister, Said Siam, who was killed by the Air Force. "His blood was not spilled in vain. The response will be expressed in actions, not words," a Hamas statement warned. (AFP)'
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
Get a move on, then - not much time left for you thugs!
IDF is right on top of you!
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:28am |
re: #408 faraway
Just a small point in case your unemployment lasts too long. 401k money is protected in bankruptcy - so I would not use that to pay off the house.
House is "currently appraised" at about $225 thousand.
House was purchased long ago at < $100 thousand
House has very small second, for remodeling.
Balance on house + second is about $65 thousand.
I'll keep the house.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:33am |
re: #421 avanti
Just in: Hamas agrees to one year renewable cease fire, but says IDF must withdraw in week, open borders. No reply for Israel yet.
I think no reply is their reply to such bullshit.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:38am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:41am |
re: #402 CyanSnowHawk
I thought you were supposed to wait until a woman was pregnant before starting the "Scare the new Mom" stories.
/I always thought that was a rather odd tradition actually.
I'd never do that to a pregnant woman! It's worse than patting her on the belly as if her uterus were there for public scrutiny.
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:45am |
re: #349 MandyManners
I won't tell you about 36 hours of labor, then.
One upmanship (or upwomanship): 39 hours for my firstborn.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:51am |
re: #410 MandyManners
I have no idea. It wound up being a crash forceps delivery. It was right out of the movie "Alien".
See, even with my first, I was immune to the scare stories, and my deliveries were just breezy. . .had my 6th in 20 minutes after 2 pushes. . .totally expect to have the twins in 10 minutes flat. . .
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:53am |
re: #404 Iron Fist
Hell, we were saying it before the election. McCain would rather play nice with the Democrats than win the Presidency for himself. He let Obama use him for a door-mat, and Obama didn't hesitate to take the oppertunity to wipe off some of the bullshit on his shoes.
If McCain's the best we've got, the best won't do. We need to be looking elsewhere. If it's not already too late.
McCain damn near endorsed Obama at the raolly where the elderly woman brought up Islam. McCain could have just corrected her, but instead he did an infomercial for BHO.
I wonder who McCain voted for?
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buzzdroid Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:55am |
i often wonder how an IAF pilot must feel on return from a mission and then being told that he whacked one of the TOP Hamassholes...
must be as great a feeling as if he'd whacked Hitler or Goebbels...
/congrats IAF/IDF... raises a beer in cheers...
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:48:59am |
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solomonpanting Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:49:07am |
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LGoPs Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:49:25am |
re: #376 avanti
New Fox news poll says 2/3rd think Obama meeting or exceeding expectations, 76% approval rating so far. Only way to go is down, 50% think he can't meet expectations once in power.
What a stupid poll. Meeting expectations of what....breathing....smoking.....what? The guy ain't done nothing yet other than name some officials to his administration.
I'm half convinced that many polls are done just to cover up a slow news day. Then the poll results become the news........
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:49:35am |
re: #355 yma o hyd
Don't worry!
{loppyd}
{yma o hyd} - right back at ya!
Some people thought I was a dude when I first starting posting. It was kind of funny...
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:49:42am |
re: #250 alegrias
OT, Dems to Reintroduce Military Draft Bill
[Link: thehill.com...]
Remember,
This has nothing to do with defending the nation. The donks will use this to say "Bush's policies forced us to enact this."
The Repubs have been quite silent in the face of some overt violations against this nation as brought on by the Dems. Pretty soon, they will be just as accountable if they don't stand up and FIGHT.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:50:17am |
re: #443 loppyd
{yma o hyd} - right back at ya!
Some people thought I was a dude when I first starting posting. It was kind of funny...
You mean you're not?
/kidding
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:50:19am |
re: #432 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I think no reply is their reply to such bullshit.
Yep, Hamas is on the ground, time for a few well placed kicks toget a better deal.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:50:32am |
re: #431 buzzsawmonkey
Are you referring to the Raymond Chandler short story by that name, or something else?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:50:46am |
re: #374 Dianna
Agreed!
My young friend Susan is due in three weeks, more or less. She periodically says she's seriously thinking about just passing out.
I don't think I'll have to think about it. LOL
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:51:08am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:51:35am |
re: #417 vxbush
But you've had one. You've at least got experience.
That's one reason why I've been celibate for more than nine years.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:51:41am |
re: #451 CyanSnowHawk
Instant amphitheater.
Hell, they use their whole freakin' population in theater, so why not?
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:00am |
re: #437 DisturbedEma
See, even with my first, I was immune to the scare stories, and my deliveries were just breezy. . .had my 6th in 20 minutes after 2 pushes. . .totally expect to have the twins in 10 minutes flat. . .
That reminds me of an overheard remark: someone related that one woman was only in labor for 2 hours.
A woman responded, "What did the lady have? An orange?"
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:07am |
re: #443 loppyd
{yma o hyd} - right back at ya!
Some people thought I was a dude when I first starting posting. It was kind of funny...
For members of the Lizard Nation, gender is secondary.
:-)
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:10am |
re: #452 MandyManners
That's one reason why I've been celibate for more than nine years.
I am thinking of taking that up in about a month or so. . .
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:20am |
re: #452 MandyManners
That's one reason why I've been celibate for more than nine years.
That would explain the *WHACK*ing.
/ducks and runs
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:26am |
re: #337 Guanxi88
That Said Siam! That Said Siam! I do not like that Said Siam!
do you like green eggs and ham
can you eat them with a goat
can you eat them on a boat
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:29am |
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:49am |
#380 Killgore Trout
He left behind a pretty impressive crater; Yahoo pic
Contrast and compare that huge crater with the tiny hole on the roof of that apartment building which Hamas alleges an Israeli drone targeted with a missile. Notice the difference?
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faraway Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:52am |
re: #430 jwb7605
House is "currently appraised" at about $225 thousand.
House was purchased long ago at < $100 thousand
House has very small second, for remodeling.
Balance on house + second is about $65 thousand.I'll keep the house.
Might want to consider putting the house into a trust.
Then it would be protected from bankruptcy, lawsuits, and Medicare/Medicaid. Have many family members that lost their home when they got old and had to go to nursing home. House had to be sold to reimburse the Feds.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:52:55am |
re: #418 tfc3rid
the last thing I like hearing on the radio is that John McCain is the GOP standard bearer... Give me a break...
McCain treated his supporters (Palin as an example)with less respect than his opponents.
"My friends", clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up, Democrats are his "Dear Friends"
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:11am |
re: #455 yma o hyd
For members of the Lizard Nation, gender is secondary.
:-)
Nouns have gender, Lizards have sex.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:35am |
re: #436 vxbush
One upmanship (or upwomanship): 39 hours for my firstborn.
I'll refrain from comparing further 'cause it'd make men-folks squirm like worms.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:36am |
re: #454 Dianna
That reminds me of an overheard remark: someone related that one woman was only in labor for 2 hours.
A woman responded, "What did the lady have? An orange?"
Yeah, I have learned to keep the details to myself- a certain level of distain for me by some- I did not 'suffer" enough. . .to have my kids. . .sheesh!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:52am |
re: #458 Eowyn2
do you like green eggs and ham
can you eat them with a goat
can you eat them on a boat
No, but evidently, they have no problems with a goat.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:53:57am |
re: #442 LGoPs
What a stupid poll. Meeting expectations of what....breathing....smoking.....what? The guy ain't done nothing yet other than name some officials to his administration.
I'm
halfconvinced that many polls are done just to cover up a slow news day. Then the poll results become the news........
The poll liked his cabinet picks, probably because more then a few were convinced they'd see the likes of Ayers. The far right set up such low expectations, a few run of the mill liberals were a relief.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:54:09am |
re: #437 DisturbedEma
See, even with my first, I was immune to the scare stories, and my deliveries were just breezy. . .had my 6th in 20 minutes after 2 pushes. . .totally expect to have the twins in 10 minutes flat. . .
Easy-peasy!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:54:15am |
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:54:16am |
re: #349 MandyManners
I won't tell you about 36 hours of labor, then.
My longest was about 3 hours
and he was breech
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:54:47am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:54:58am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:02am |
re: #469 DisturbedEma
If they are lucky. . .:)
Similarly, magazines have issues, and people have problems.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:02am |
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Opinionated Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:11am |
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restitutor orbis Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:17am |
Why is that soldier covering his ears? Could it be that the criminal Bush regime sent him and other poor gullible brown people to the meatgrinder of Afghanistan to commit genocide for oil and Zionist interests.......all without proper hearing protection?
This is criminal
Yours,
Michael Moore
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:24am |
re: #450 buzzsawmonkey
BTW, if Hamas' court officials have been subjected to the IAF treatment, maybe we can finally say that Judge Crater has been found.
Excellent!
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:31am |
re: #465 DisturbedEma
Oh, not scorn - I'm childless for a lot of reasons, but I think labor should be renamed "torture." No matter how brief, it sounds dreadful.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:55:44am |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:56:27am |
re: #478 Dianna
Oh, not scorn - I'm childless for a lot of reasons, but I think labor should be renamed "torture." No matter how brief, it sounds dreadful.
Only if you go natural. They have good drugs nowadays.
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J'accuzzi Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:56:27am |
MM is just what he is, a small talent propagandist perhaps puffed up from being petted too much by the rich Hollymarxists. What has always intrigued me is the lack of interview material pro or con from his old "line buddies" who spent time with him while they were nailing Suburbans together.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:56:34am |
re: #473 Guanxi88
Similarly, magazines have issues, and people have problems.
Leaders who follow along rarely lead?
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:57:16am |
re: #483 DisturbedEma
Leaders who follow along rarely lead?
The Holy Roman Empire....
But there are a million of these, I'm sure.
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:57:23am |
re: #471 MandyManners
During a huge thunderstorm, too.
My mother relates that I was born in the hallway, during a huge storm.
The doctor was saying, "Wait! Wait!" and Mom said, "Tell the baby!"
At which point I made my debut. What can I say? I've always been contrary.
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yma o hyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:57:25am |
re: #479 Guanxi88
Well, that's what the Lounge is for, no?
Aaahhh - The Lounge!
Now thats different ...
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:58:09am |
re: #481 MandyManners
Only if you go natural. They have good drugs nowadays.
True, and there isn't the societal pressure to go natural as there was when I was giving birth. My body just had no clue what to do doing labor. That's why mine was so long, even with the drugs to make the labor more regular--the drugs didn't work.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:58:17am |
re: #437 DisturbedEma
See, even with my first, I was immune to the scare stories, and my deliveries were just breezy. . .had my 6th in 20 minutes after 2 pushes. . .totally expect to have the twins in 10 minutes flat. . .
After six kids you deserve it!
IIRC you are a MA Lizard, no?
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:58:18am |
re: #478 Dianna
Oh, not scorn - I'm childless for a lot of reasons, but I think labor should be renamed "torture." No matter how brief, it sounds dreadful.
My wife and I watched a story on TV about women that love labor, actually having a orgasm during labor. I had never heard of such a thing.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:58:29am |
re: #478 Dianna
Oh, not scorn - I'm childless for a lot of reasons, but I think labor should be renamed "torture." No matter how brief, it sounds dreadful.
It is certainly untidy and a bit of a hit to the dignity. . .which was worse for me than anything. . .trying to have a kid and seeing a swarm of people at the foot of your bed all craning for a better view. . .and I am PAYING for this!
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:58:58am |
re: #491 DisturbedEma
It is certainly untidy and a bit of a hit to the dignity. . .which was worse for me than anything. . .trying to have a kid and seeing a swarm of people at the foot of your bed all craning for a better view. . .and I am PAYING for this!
So were they!
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:59:23am |
re: #420 vapig
I paid cash for my condo, skipping all the interest and fees. I don't have kids, so I don't need to itemize. I have no bills and file short form at tax time. I get oodles back from the gov't (I used to be able to figure my deductions in order to break even).
Bottom line - my life is very uncomplicated and stressfree. I am truly blessed!
Being debt-free is true freedom, and every American should strive for it.
"The debtor is slave to the lender." Proverbs 22:7
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:59:48am |
re: #488 loppyd
After six kids you deserve it!
IIRC you are a MA Lizard, no?
Giving birth to six kids, she ain't a PA lizard.
/
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 10:59:54am |
re: #493 astronmr20
Being debt-free is true freedom, and every American should strive for it.
"The debtor is slave to the lender." Proverbs 22:7
You get an up-ding and an approving quotation for that.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:00:05am |
re: #489 avanti
My wife and I watched a story on TV about women that love labor, actually having a orgasm during labor. I had never heard of such a thing.
Ummmm, must have missed that with all of the pushing involved. . .but hey, if that is what. . .oh neverMIND!
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:00:15am |
re: #465 DisturbedEma
Yeah, I have learned to keep the details to myself- a certain level of distain for me by some- I did not 'suffer" enough. . .to have my kids. . .sheesh!
Kid 1 - 2 hours
Kid 2 - 3 -3.5 hours (breech)
Kid 3 - about an hour - doctor waited until after his scheduled c-section to break my water thereby leaving me with 'cramps' for about two hours prior to real labor.
Kid 4 - 1/2 hour.
what those people in disdain do not realize. 2 labor pains to go from a 2 to a 10 is NOT painless.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:01:10am |
re: #495 Guanxi88
You get an up-ding and an approving quotation for that.
Thanks. And it's the perversion of that verse and principle, in my opinion, that has led us to the mess we are in as a nation.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:01:25am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:01:34am |
This should cause some major moonbat histrionics!
Intelligence Court Rules Wiretapping Power Legal
WASHINGTON — A federal intelligence court, in a rare public opinion, issued a major ruling validating the power of the president and Congress to wiretap international phone calls and intercept e-mail messages without a specific court order, even when Americans’ private communications may be involve
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:01:35am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:02:11am |
re: #503 Texas Heathen
apparently not all of them.
Well, others pick up the slack, I'm sure. (leave it alone, folks.)
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:02:12am |
re: #489 avanti
My wife and I watched a story on TV about women that love labor, actually having a orgasm during labor. I had never heard of such a thing.
It is believed that the birth orgasm is one of the ways that nature eases the pain of childbirth.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:02:31am |
re: #462 opnion
McCain treated his supporters (Palin as an example)with less respect than his opponents.
"My friends", clenched teeth smile & two thumbs up, Democrats are his "Dear Friends"
How did he end up with the nomination anyway? Everyone else dropped out. What, did the MSM tell them "We want McCain. Drop out or the world will think you have sex with goats. And if you sue us, no one will know because we won't publish the results, so everyone will always think you have sex with goats."?
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:02:43am |
Arrrgh :(
The fiancee needs mucho education on the israel/ "Palestianin" conflict. She's in India, and NDTV keeps showing dead kids. Have to calm down and explain things slowly and with love, as I have had to do so many times with so many people lately.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:02:50am |
re: #498 Eowyn2
re: #465 DisturbedEma
Kid 1 - 2 hours
Kid 2 - 3 -3.5 hours (breech)
Kid 3 - about an hour - doctor waited until after his scheduled c-section to break my water thereby leaving me with 'cramps' for about two hours prior to real labor.
Kid 4 - 1/2 hour.what those people in disdain do not realize. 2 labor pains to go from a 2 to a 10 is NOT painless.
Word- and my husband kind of acted like it was "no big deal"too. . .until I broke his 2 pinkies by squeezing his 'support'
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:03:06am |
re: #501 DisturbedEma
LOL
If you are indeed a MA Lizard please consider yourself cordially invited to our still-in-the-planning-stages MA/New England Lizard meet up!
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broomer Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:03:10am |
re: #413 buzzdroid
considering how small gaza city is, sounds like the IDF is being utterly meticulous and inching forward , house by house... eliminating the bad guys on the way...
i mean - we're into several days of urban combat now.
I am wondering if they're encircling the "S" Hospital?
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WriterMom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:03:22am |
re: #509 astronmr20
Ask her who she would rather have for neighbours.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:03:57am |
re: #502 loppyd
This should cause some major moonbat histrionics!
Intelligence Court Rules Wiretapping Power Legal
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Low rumble on the west coast. . .moonbats heads spining and exploding as we speak. . .can we get a camera on site?. . .
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:04:00am |
re: #510 DisturbedEma
Word- and my husband kind of acted like it was "no big deal"too. . .until I broke his 2 pinkies by squeezing his 'support'
Heh. I only put my husband in a head lock. He was stuck until the contraction was over.
| 517 |
Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:05:00am |
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:05:40am |
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:05:55am |
re: #505 Guanxi88
Well, others pick up the slack, I'm sure. (leave it alone, folks.)
Aawww, come on. You can't drop a line like that and then say "(leave it alone, folks.)".
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:06:13am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:06:34am |
re: #517 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sometimes with a partner even
Reminds me of Dangerfield:
"The first time I had sex, I was scared. I was all alone.:
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:06:55am |
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:06:57am |
re: #518 DisturbedEma
Yeah? Where can I get one. . .? I am natural. . .wait. . .this is getting too weird even by hormone/depression/anxiety standards. . . .
STAND DOWN, EM!
Okay, I've never even heard of this, and I simply cannot believe it. Trust me, both my children were accidents. I had no interest in having children.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:07:36am |
re: #414 DaddyG
...nothing left to do fake fingertip CPR on.
and wounded 'civilians' being transferred to hospital
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
really bizarre pic
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:07:54am |
re: #521 DisturbedEma
When abouts. . .
Before JetPilot flies off to his next assignment. In the next two months, I would think. Does that timing sound ok or will you be even more busy by then?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:08:00am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:08:12am |
re: #525 DisturbedEma
8 kids, I picked up plenty of slack in my day. . .and night. . .
Just doing your part. Commendable.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:08:38am |
re: #525 DisturbedEma
8 kids, I picked up plenty of slack in my day. . .and night. . .
It doesn't sound like there was much 'slack' in your day. ;-)
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:08:52am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:08:59am |
re: #529 opnion
Roland Burris has just bee sworn in.
Dick Cheney had to have been having a private chuckle thinking about what a tool Harry Reid is.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:09:21am |
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:09:41am |
re: #535 DisturbedEma
Probably gonna be postpartumish. . .and bitchy. . .for sure
LOL! We'll pamper you.
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:10:19am |
re: #538 loppyd
LOL! We'll pamper you.
Please do so, for all the other lady lizards who cannot be present!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:10:30am |
re: #529 opnion
Roland Burris has just bee sworn in.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. . .ack what a slimy business. . .
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:10:46am |
Good interview with Roberta Green Ahmanson author of Blind Spot: When Journalists Don't Get Religion,
You arrived in Israel a few days before Operation Cast Lead was launched. How do the events in Gaza tie in to the thesis of your book?
The events that led to the operation in Gaza illustrate how people are motivated by their religion. An organization like Hamas latches onto certain things that are deep within the history and teachings of Islam, and it uses them in the modern world - by shelling Israel, for example - because it believes that this land once was Muslim land, and it's its duty to take it back. Within the Muslim community, this is going to be part of the issue forever, because its goal, of course, is to have the entire world living under Islam.
And you are certain that the press doesn't really grasp that this is a religious conflict?In the American media, you often see the conflict reduced either to land-ownership issues or to issues related to poverty - that people who call themselves Palestinians are poor, and that Israel is largely responsible for their plight. In this respect, it doesn't seem like the Western press grasps the real story.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:11:07am |
re: #478 Dianna
Oh, not scorn - I'm childless for a lot of reasons, but I think labor should be renamed "torture." No matter how brief, it sounds dreadful.
nobody put panties on my head during labor so I know it wasn't torture.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:11:10am |
re: #539 vxbush
Please do so, for all the other lady lizards who cannot be present!
It will be my pleasure....
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:11:22am |
re: #507 Kosh's Shadow
re: #462 opnion
How did he end up with the nomination anyway? Everyone else dropped out. What, did the MSM tell them "We want McCain. Drop out or the world will think you have sex with goats. And if you sue us, no one will know because we won't publish the results, so everyone will always think you have sex with goats."?
The MSM schilled for McCain , becuse he looked the easiest for BHO to defeat. Independents voted for him in the Open Primaries & Voila! you get a RINO.
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:11:41am |
re: #540 DisturbedEma
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. . .ack what a slimy business. . .
It was a real shocka when Burris came out against the impeachment of Blago, wasn't it?
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:12:30am |
re: #542 Eowyn2
nobody put panties on my head during labor so I know it wasn't torture.
Heh. Updingworthy.
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Silhouette Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:12:31am |
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:12:32am |
re: #527 Iron Fist
Eric Holder is quite possibly the slimiest piece of pond scum ever put forth to be confirmed by the Senate, especially for Attorney General. He may very well have us looking back to Janet Reno as, well, a disaster as well, but not on the same Magnitude of Holder.
The Republicans should
how does someone imbedded in the system forget to pay taxes?
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:12:46am |
re: #543 loppyd
It will be my pleasure....
If someone had let a dog bark at you then it would be an entirely different story.
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nyc redneck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:12:53am |
everything michael moore does is abt. promoting himself.
he has always seemed like a scavenger to me. using what ever he can for personal gain. it's not for any greater good. it's for his good. ($$$$)
look how low he will stoop to further his own anti-american agenda.
use a heart breaking photo of a dying little girl in a false and manipulative way.
he is a disgusting pos.
he has no interest in that mortally wounded child except to use the photo to incite hatred against america.
i love michael yon. his spirit. his commitment to truth and honesty.
of course he doesn't want his work tainted by association w/ a belligerent, deceitful sob like michael moore.
sue him for all he's worth.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:13:03am |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:13:26am |
re: #532 DisturbedEma
Ahh, he was just so VERBAL over the course of the pregnancy, how he wanted to "share" it with me. . .and when the pain hit, I thought. . .why not share?
I tried to comfort my wife up until she told me to shut the fuck up. Second time around, I said I'll be over here with our first kid if she needed me. Worked out much better that time.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:13:44am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:14:07am |
re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I tried to comfort my wife up until she told me to shut the fuck up. Second time around, I said I'll be over here with our first kid if she needed me. Worked out much better that time.
Yeah, I find that's the best way to go - got three hatchlings myself
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:14:07am |
re: #551 nyc redneck
He is going to fade further into obscurity now that The One will be at the helm.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:14:20am |
re: #377 tfc3rid
OT but any ATL area Lizards, hit my email up, I have a few questions...
Your nic goes to your web site, with a minor error (an extra http//). I live in metro Atlanta and my nic is blue, if you want to email me directly. I also left a comment on your most recent post.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:15:30am |
re: #554 opnion
I know , when my wife delivered , I took them. Ok, I made that up.
I remember my brother joked with one of the nurses about getting a pill and my SIL shot him "the" look. We left the room shortly thereafter. LOL
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:15:54am |
re: #544 opnion
The MSM schilled for McCain , becuse he looked the easiest for BHO to defeat. Independents voted for him in the Open Primaries & Voila! you get a RINO.
The question for me is, why did McCain run for the nomination and then not run for the office?
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Texas Heathen Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:16:32am |
re: #555 Guanxi88
Yeah, I find that's the best way to go - got three hatchlings myself
dontcha just love it when the doctor says the head is crowning and asks you if you wanna see? .........ummmm NOOOOO (but I'll pretend to look anyway)
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:16:36am |
re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
re: #532 DisturbedEma
I tried to comfort my wife up until she told me to shut the fuck up. Second time around, I said I'll be over here with our first kid if she needed me. Worked out much better that time.
Uh huh, remember that LAmaz thing, "focus on my thumb."
You do that & ya get back a bloody stump.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:16:42am |
re: #514 WriterMom
Ask her who she would rather have for neighbours.
I know. She'll get it, but it will take a while. 34 years of MSM brainwashing doesn't go away overnight.
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Dianna Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:16:43am |
re: #553 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I tried to comfort my wife up until she told me to shut the fuck up. Second time around, I said I'll be over here with our first kid if she needed me. Worked out much better that time.
One man I know said that he thought it was much more dignified when the father was expected to pace around the waiting room, smoking furiously.
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vapig Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:16:57am |
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:17:17am |
re: #547 vxbush
thanks
a bazillion more and I could catch buzzsawmonkey
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Ford_Prefect Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:18:34am |
re: #563 Texas Heathen
dontcha just love it when the doctor says the head is crowning and asks you if you wanna see? .........ummmm NOOOOO (but I'll pretend to look anyway)
My wife had a c-section. I was very careful not to look south of that curtain they put up.
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loppyd Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:18:37am |
I have to get back to work.
Have a good afternoon, honcos.
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avanti Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:18:59am |
re: #549 Eowyn2
how does someone imbedded in the system forget to pay taxes?
He was a outside contractor and had his accountants letter saying he did not owe SS and unemployment taxes. I made he same mistake years ago, I thought the company paid them for me. He was not fined by the IRS for the error. It was a big mistake, but he's too popular a pick on both sides to make it a issue.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:19:42am |
re: #562 Kosh's Shadow
re: #544 opnion
The question for me is, why did McCain run for the nomination and then not run for the office?
I think that a swat team of psychologists could have a field day with that. My guess is that his ego wanted the nomination & then he just didn't have the stomach to be viewed as partisan.
It would be like Derek Jeter being afraid to smamck a walk off home run , because he could appear to pro Yankees.
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:19:58am |
re: #557 Fluffy Bunny
Down the rabbit hole we go! : D
Fluffy Bunny, huh? Well, better that than Hoppy Bunny!
[Link: www.adultswim.com...]
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vapig Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:20:18am |
re: #485 Dianna
re: #471 MandyManners
My mother relates that I was born in the hallway, during a huge storm.The doctor was saying, "Wait! Wait!" and Mom said, "Tell the baby!"
At which point I made my debut. What can I say? I've always been contrary.
My mother always tells people that I was 3 weeks late and I've been late ever since.
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vxbush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:21:05am |
re: #568 Eowyn2
thanks
a bazillion more and I could catch buzzsawmonkey
I don't think anyone is going to reach buzzsawmonkey's level of karma in at least ten years.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:21:34am |
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Guanxi88 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:21:44am |
re: #575 Iron Fist
That's a damn good question. McCain wasn't quite as bad as Bob Dole, but Dole didn't really run even in the primaries. They just gave it to him as a gift.
Yeah, it was the gold watch at his retirement.
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astronmr20 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:22:13am |
re: #578 Guanxi88
Yeah, it was the gold watch at his retirement.
We have got to stop doing that.....
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Kenneth Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:22:42am |
Dear President Obama, please make the Iraq war go away.
What is it about leftists & liberals that they think showing young children reading naive, simplistic and false statements is a "powerful" method of influencing public policy?
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jwb7605 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:23:26am |
re: #562 Kosh's Shadow
The question for me is, why did McCain run for the nomination and then not run for the office?
That would have made things "about him", and not the nation.
I didn't know what was moebius logic until the other night.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:25:09am |
re: #575 Iron Fist
re: #562 Kosh's Shadow
That's a damn good question. McCain wasn't quite as bad as Bob Dole, but Dole didn't really run even in the primaries. They just gave it to him as a gift.
It seemed like Dole got it on seniority. McCain on the other hand fought hammer & tong in the primaries. He even uncorked a verifiable lie about Romney, before the Florida primary. He really wanted it & did everything but get a contract hit on Romney.
I think that people should have convinced McCain that Obama was really a simpatico Republican.. McCain would have mauled him.
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apachegunner Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:27:58am |
re: #554 opnion
I know , when my wife delivered , I took them. Ok, I made that up.
when my daughter was born they tried to stick her in my arms all bloody and drippinng and I said "clean er up first!"
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nyc redneck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:29:00am |
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razorbacker Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:30:26am |
re: #498 Eowyn2
Kid 1 - 2 hours
Kid 2 - 3 -3.5 hours (breech)
Kid 3 - about an hour - doctor waited until after his scheduled c-section to break my water thereby leaving me with 'cramps' for about two hours prior to real labor.
Kid 4 - 1/2 hour.what those people in disdain do not realize. 2 labor pains to go from a 2 to a 10 is NOT painless.
When my daughter was born, the wife's older sister was the nurse assisting. Every time the wife whimpered, sis would hit her with painkillers.
Finally, the Doc turned and said, "Dammit P, stop that! I want to go home sometime tonight."
Kid was born not too long afterwards.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:33:07am |
re: #455 yma o hyd
For members of the Lizard Nation, gender is secondary.
:-)
I would be nice if we had a gender-neutral personal pronoun besides "it" in the English language ;~)
he, she, _____
his, hers, ____
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nyc redneck Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:33:19am |
re: #556 loppyd
He is going to fade further into obscurity now that The One will be at the helm.
i think you're right. he has shot his wad.
(the way he lied abt. being from flint, michigan, i knew he was a pos then.)
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nanook Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:37:56am |
re: #411 experiencedtraveller
I'm not sure how relevant it was, but thanks for the video. In my non-humble opinion, one of the best pieces of musical theater ever written.
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:39:56am |
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apachegunner Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:41:44am |
re: #589 opnion
yeah, but they thought I'd like to hold her right out of the breach *smile*
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CommonCents Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:45:54am |
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hazzyday Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:51:53am |
re: #198 broomer
I have a financial question here as I know this is a financial savvy group. If I were to buy a house this summer and there's a good chance of inflation, what's my best option?
1) Forgo buying a house and rent an apt
2) Buy the smallest house I can afford to pay in cash
3) Get a 15 years mortgage with fixed rates
4) Get a 30 years mortgage with fixed rates(Gonna sell my house this spring to capture the equity)
It depends on why you are selling and what you want to do with money as an investment. Do you own just the one house? Do you have a retirement account and some diversified investments? Are doing this as a one time flip or as an eye to risky real estate flipping to make quick cash? Or are you wanting to just retire with no debt and downsize.
In general it's better not to sell real estate once you hold it and can afford the payments on it.
Buying a smaller house will incur a tax burden and agency fees from the sale and sales tax. The tax burden is less I believe if you have lived in your house for 5 years. Something like a $250,000 exclusion of the equity on the sale realized.
If you can't afford the current house and it's your only investment. Sell it use your tax exemption and buy a 4-plex somewhere and live in it. That will give you some inflation protection and some income over time. 2 bedroom units are better then one bedroom units. Pick a location close to employment centers but off the railroad tracks.
Usually selling a house to capture equity is not the best path unless you're are flipping. I am not sure today but usually you can pull equity out with a line of credit from a bank. Then you use that as a downpayment on another property.
If you don't want the hassle of being a landlord then the 30 year fixed or 10 year arm. You can make extra payments to make it perform like a 15 year loan.
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HippieforLife Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:52:12am |
re: #341 loppyd
Loppy,
If I can do it, any woman can. I am a big chicken when it comes to pain.
The only thing that got me through it was thinking that millions of women had had babies before me and lived. LOL!
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opnion Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:53:23am |
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hazzyday Thu, Jan 15, 2009 11:57:08am |
#198 boomer.
Also, you want to inflation proof your capital and obtain something like a 6-8 percent return on the income you have to invest. Flipping properties and acquiring transaction fees will set you back quite a bit. Inflation proof yourself first.
10 percent = fun money, everything else goes into investing.
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Picayune Thu, Jan 15, 2009 12:11:30pm |
re: #64 Jr ewing
Great Nic.
I met the real J. R. Ewing, back in Houston in about '82. Returning from meeting w/ my primary client, Dresser Ind., my Ad Agency receptionist handed me a tel memo asking me to meet/pick up a new client at the airport - one J. R. Ewing, of Ewing Oil, Dallas, TX. Sure, good joke, I thought. He turned out to be a good client and a great guy, with hilarious stories caused by his name. True story. (My wife met Larry Hagman in a Dallas restaurant two years later, claiming he was a funny, gregarious gentleman.)
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VioletTiger Thu, Jan 15, 2009 12:12:45pm |
re: #569 Ford_Prefect
Not only did my husband look, he provided a running commentary.
'Wow, look at that, it's your liver!' Sigh.
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Scion9 Thu, Jan 15, 2009 12:23:20pm |
re: #61 lawhawk
You referring to this? He doesn't want to get in the way of the economic stimulus package, but is considering reintroducing the draft resolution.
Only Democrats push this nonsense. It's not about improving military preparedness, because the military is opposed because it means spending on training of people who aren't interested in being in the military. The US military is at its best when you have highly motivated people who want to be in the military. Rangel and his Democrat cohorts want to undermine all that.
Way late to the thread, but I believe that Rangle's motivations are a more PC oriented than anti-'Imperialism' Leftist oriented. He wants a draft to enforce racial quotas since apparently latinos are disproportionately represented in our military. The draft is needed to pick up the slack until every racial demographic is represented in a way that is consistent with their matching percentage of the overall population.
That is the "point" about "social" (which somehow translates to racial) inequality that Pelosi was squawking about in your link.
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Catttt Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:23:52pm |
I totally agree that Michael Yon is the Ernie Pyle of our time. I come really close to crying every time I see that pic of that precious little girl, dying because of a car bomb, cradled in Major Mark Bieger's arms. Misuse of the photo by that idiotic, lying slob Michael Moore makes me ill.
Just a quick post to remind you all that Mr. Yon takes donations. Go to his homepage, then scroll down. The donation links are on the left.
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Yishai Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:34:30pm |
That's an amazing pic! Yon actually caught the actual mortar round! See that glowing green part of the picture? That's the base of the mortar round. How'd he do that?
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a marine mom Thu, Jan 15, 2009 1:45:41pm |
When my Marine son came home from war in November of 2004, we took him to see "Team America." Mr. Wonderful, that's my husband, had no idea what the film was about. Needless to say, my Marine and Mr. Wonderful still laugh when they hear the words "I'm rone-wree".
The best part, the local theater would not charge us for the movie.
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CanadianBush Thu, Jan 15, 2009 2:56:57pm |
re: 45, 77, 600:
That green glow above the tube isn't the base of the mortar bomb (mortars throw bombs, guns fire shells).
It's actually caused by an internal reflection in the camera lens, of the muzzle itself. If you look at the flash upside down you can see it matches the expected muzzle pattern. It's green because of the high angle of incidence off an antireflection coating. It's inverted because it's bounced off the opposite side of some internal lens. You can see this same effect on video of Shuttle liftoffs where backwards rockets flames can be seen jiggling about in front of the shuttle, as the camera moves to track it.
But you're right though, mortar bombs are slow enough to be photographed and seen by eye, especially from near the tube (or the impact! :-)
The mortar is a 120mm - too big to be an 81mm, has a symmetrical bipod - and is undoubtedly a Finnish Tampella design made under license in Israel.
(former 81mm mortarman)
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Clubsec Fri, Jan 16, 2009 12:22:35am |
Very good photo. Big tube. I believe it is a 120 as a size comparison of the gunners hands shielding his ears. Nice mortar pit though. Symetric sand bags all interlocked, shaped and groomed. Like high quality brick work, always to be admired by the dicerning eye. Built by folks who give a crap about their workmanship.
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