What Happened to ‘Creating Jobs?’
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Andrew Malcolm reports that the Obama administration has quietly dropped “creating jobs” as the criteria for that $3.4-billion Energy Department project.
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:52:45am |
Pay no attention to what they say and do.
have you seen Michelle’s arms?
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filetandrelease Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:52:56am |
“What jobs? we don’t need no stinkin’ jobs!”
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:53:02am |
What Happened to ‘Creating Jobs?’
What happened was reality sunk in that the people in charge haven’t a clue about economics.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:53:18am |
Zero and Plugs are digging deeper and deeper. Their incompetence is stunning.
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CIA Reject Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:53:47am |
Found in a dumpster behind 30 Rockefeller Plaza:
Memo to Winston Smith- Obama speech on “creating jobs” doubleplusungood. Revise immediately!
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:53:59am |
Jobs? Did we say Jobs? No, we meant “sboj” …yeah, thats it.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:53:59am |
As Global Warming became Climate Change, so did CREATING JOBS become SAVING JOBS. I went on vacation for 2+ weeks and when I got back this week LO AND BEHOLD, OBAMA BE PRAISED, my job was still here ,SAVED !
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:54:23am |
The only jobs government can create are one involving more government and bureaucrats. Private sector jobs are created when there is LESS government intervention and interference.
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JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:54:24am |
Come on guys, he does not need to create any jobs. I mean look Joltin Joe and Obama have already saved more than 52 million jobs!
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:54:33am |
Jobs are not being created, but we continue to lose jobs.
Credit is still tight even after the bank bail outs.
The Stimulus obviousley did not work & yey he wants to continue to loot the Treasury & do another one.
Obama has a very unpleasant agenda in my opinion
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:54:47am |
Just follow this swinging watch Americans.
Hope
Change
you’re getting sleepy
your eyes are getting heavy.
sleep
sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
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saberry0530 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:55:17am |
You meet another and “POOOOFFF” they were gone!
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pat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:55:30am |
These energy bills are job killers. The Obama administration will destroy all jobs in order to save the nation. After all, which is more important, employment or “free” health care and climate change?
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kansas Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:15am |
But CNN has good news:
Fewer than expected file for unemployment Labor Department says first time jobless claims fell by 52,000 last week to 565,000.
Remember how bad it was when unemployment was at 4% and the economy was growing at an “anemic” 3 %? Course that was before the Democrats took the House and Senate. Seriously graph that.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:20am |
If you bought into the idea that the stimulus was a jobs package… you might be a ________.
The Administration’s disdain for American taxpayers is palpable. US energy policy is a joke, and Obama ratchets things up a notch by dropping all pretense that this is about jobs. It’s about taxing and spending on Democrats’ pet projects and to throw the money to districts that favored Democrats. It always was.
In fact, if this Administration were serious about alternative energy and upgrading the power grid, it would have done more to make sure that multibillion dollar plans from folks like Pickens’ wouldn’t end up as so much hot air because they couldn’t get those transmission lines routed to where the projects were planned or to set up the financing to see those deals through.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:25am |
When ever a government puts its hands into creating jobs nothing ever happens. Or in the worst case more jobs are lost then created. After all the jobs that the government tries to create are at the most temporary.
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Macker Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:27am |
re: #16 pat
These energy bills are job killers. The Obama administration will destroy all jobs in order to save the nation. After all, which is more important, employment or “free” health care and climate change?
A Giant Government Tit.
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chedgeman Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:32am |
Chicago-style politics and economics (is there a difference?) are not our friends.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:44am |
Reality is a bitch when it collides with one’s agenda and pie-in-the-sky delusions.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:46am |
Ha!
Well, in the interests of hanging onto my job, I shall go and waltz with little numbers.
One strongly suspects that Obama never has balanced so much as a checkbook, never mind a general ledger.
Certainly, congress never has.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:56:46am |
I don’t believe any of Obama’s schemes ever had the goal of creating jobs. That’s just a line to placate the masses. The true goal is to accelerate the destruction of the economy in order to implement a socialist agenda.
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VegasRick Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:57:47am |
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:58:08am |
re: #16 pat
These energy bills are job killers. The Obama administration will destroy all jobs in order to save the nation. After all, which is more important, employment or “free” health care and climate change?
“If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it’s free!” P.J. O’Rourke.
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:58:30am |
From the CampaignSpot, Obama’s job approval has fallen below 50% in Ohio, and his approval on handling the economy is also tanking. I think we will continue to see this trend Nationwide as people wake up to the boondoggle that the stimulus is.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:58:46am |
re: #28 VegasRick
They’re not L-I-E-S, they are M-I-S-T-A-K-E-S…
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:00am |
re: #28 VegasRick
Another three letter word…L-I-E-S!
Just as the Leftoids accused Bush of LYING about WMDs, they will insist that no matter what evidence comes out that Our Man Obama was only mistaken. He would never lie.
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:03am |
I fear that we are in the middle phase of a double dip recession - depression and that the next downhill run on the economic roller-coaster is going to be a real gut wrencher.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:13am |
re: #20 MandyManners
Greenpeace is not happy with FCBBHO, either.
Check out the photograph.
“Environmentalists” using rock anchors to deface the environment. Nice.
They should take a page from John Bachar’s book and freestyle. Pansies.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:18am |
Andrew Malcolm doesn’t know squat. Right here in Denver, energy stimulus money was used to train 60 workers on how to weather strip windows and doors.
Sort of the same thing I learned every time I tripped over any sales person at Home Depot.
The careers generated by energy stimulus money is just flying out the door.
Maybe these people will get jobs at Home Depot?
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kansas Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:30am |
OT..Anyone see where Obama “forgot” where he met his wife? Cmon conspiracy folks, who “forgets” that? Who is this guy?re:
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:37am |
re: #18 kansas
But CNN has good news:
Fewer than expected file for unemployment Labor Department says first time jobless claims fell by 52,000 last week to 565,000.
Remember how bad it was when unemployment was at 4% and the economy was growing at an “anemic” 3 %? Course that was before the Democrats took the House and Senate. Seriously graph that.
Fucking media. They put Goebbels to shame for being such an amateur.
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Macker Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:52am |
re: #33 taxfreekiller
The Commie Way is Job One.
The One is the Commie Way.
Way Down the Commie Job List are you little people.the rest is trickle down their legs to the little people
Here, الرئيس أوباما: LAN ASTASLEM.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 9:59:53am |
Believe it or not, this isn’t OT:
House Dems look at taxing the rich for health care
This dovetails neatly with Charles’ topic. At the same time this administration is “slowly” moving away from the idea of the energy legislation creating jobs, these morons are proposing to increase taxes on the very people who could actually create jobs.
It does go to the idea Thomas Sowell posits in “Basic Economics” that government can’t control “tax revenue”, they can only control “tax rates”. There’s no way they can calculate how much - if any - additional revenue will be generated by this tax surcharge.
But, you can bet your ass it will have a chilling effect on job creation - and that damn energy legislation will pretty much finish us off.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:00:51am |
re: #31 Semper Gumbi
From the CampaignSpot, Obama’s job approval has fallen below 50% in Ohio, and his approval on handling the economy is also tanking. I think we will continue to see this trend Nationwide as people wake up to the boondoggle that the stimulus is.
At Rasmussen his Presidential Approval Index rating has fallen to –8%.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:00:53am |
History repeats itself burps!
“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work… . We have never made good on our promises… . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started… . And an enormous debt to boot!”
—Treasury Secretary under FDR, Henry Morgenthau, May 6, 1939
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:00am |
re: #29 Shug
How about “The mess we created.”
The Democrat party has been in control of Congress and the Senate since Bush’s last midterm election. Their policies, their decisions, their responsibility!
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pat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:25am |
There is only one way to control health care cost. Rationing. And rationing fits in perfectly with the Obama philosophy of racial equalization. Of course he has exempted all Federal employees and congress, including post retirement.
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kansas Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:36am |
re: #24 FurryOldGuyJeans
Reality is a bitch when it collides with one’s agenda and pie-in-the-sky delusions.
Is anyone really believing now that this is not Obama’s agenda?
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:46am |
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Macker Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:52am |
re: #47 Conservative in Liberal Hands
How about “The mess we created.”
The Demo☭rat party has been in control of Congress and the Senate since Bush’s last midterm election. Their policies, their decisions, their responsibility!
There, fixed that for ya!
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kansas Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:01:58am |
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:02:04am |
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:02:31am |
re: #43 MandyManners
He’s exploited on crisis and is now creating one he intends to solve in healthcare.
Hi Mandy! You hit it right on the head. My post just above yours makes your point! Thumbs way up!
;-)
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rightside Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:03:14am |
They’re hiring for the NY state legislature, so it can’t all be bad!
During the long years of Republican control, the all-white GOP “conference” would regularly bemoan its lack of diversity, and make extra efforts to recruit minority Senate candidates and hire minority staff.
During the first five months of this year, with the Senate under the control of its first African-American majority leader, Smith, top Democrats bemoaned the lack of minority Senate staffers.
But instead of trying to recruit new hires, they fired nearly 200 almost exclusively white workers and replaced them with a large number of minority employees, many of whom were seen by their fellow workers to be unskilled at their new jobs.
The move produced severe racial tensions, made worse by the fact that, as a high-level Democratic staffer confided, “We’ve been told to only hire minorities.”
SNIP
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:03:18am |
re: #50 kansas
Is anyone really believing now that this is not Obama’s agenda?
I was not talking about Our Man Obama, but his supporters who quite a number seem to be undergoing a crisis of faith in the Anointed Messiah-King.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:03:29am |
re: #10 sattv4u2
As Global Warming became Climate Change, so did CREATING JOBS become SAVING JOBS. I went on vacation for 2+ weeks and when I got back this week LO AND BEHOLD, OBAMA BE PRAISED, my job was still here ,SAVED !
Jobs created or saved is a BS metric. It was invented because the Administration - and Obama - knew that they couldn’t actually create jobs with the porkfest, which was treated as a jobs program.
And even still, they can’t admit that they were so horribly wrong on their projections for unemployment. They’re off by millions of jobs. They can say they saved or created 150,000 jobs in the same breath as the economy shed another 500k+ jobs. This graph tells the sad tale.
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:03:51am |
re: #49 pat
There is only one way to control health care cost. Rationing. And rationing fits in perfectly with the Obama philosophy of racial equalization. Of course he has exempted all Federal employees and congress, including post retirement.
The rationing will also coldy and calculatedly help solve the Social Security crisis. Dead folk don’t get payments.
Put money on it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:04:00am |
Obama’s Legacy will be something he doesn’t want.
Inquiring minds want to know if he’s beginning to understand that.
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avanti Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:04:48am |
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Dahveed Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:04:48am |
G-d willing only 3 1/2 years of this presidency left. Perhaps if we can get some more responsible people in Congress we can stop this ridiculousness in 2010.
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kansas Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:05:08am |
re: #59 FurryOldGuyJeans
I was not talking about Our Man Obama, but his supporters who quite a number seem to be undergoing a crisis of faith in the Anointed Messiah-King.
Well, maybe they are noticing the intentional attack by the One. Hey, where’s my 40.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:05:08am |
Like the biblical Job
Obama is being tested.
He spends money wildly
hoping unemployment is arrested.
But Job of old had faith
in what we know is true.
Obama only believes in
taking from me and you.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:05:26am |
re: #45 littleoldlady
Well played. I just wish our collective memory remembered history as well as it remembers us.
/{littleoldlady}
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pat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:05:52am |
BTW, this is the way the stimulus bill retains jobs: The questionnaire, REQUIRED, of every primary and secondary recipient of stimulus money is asked to name all parties that participated in a transaction by occupation. Thus the purchase of a case of window caulk at True Value “saves” 3 jobs: the warehouseman, the sales clerk, and the stock person. Even though that single purchase ampounted to a fraction of total revenue.
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blangwort Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:06:23am |
The President said to the Mobs
I’m going to get you all jobs
But they said to Obama
Hell no, Yo’ Mama
We expect mo’ money in gobs
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:06:25am |
re: #49 pat
There is only one way to control health care cost. Rationing. And rationing fits in perfectly with the Obama philosophy of racial equalization. Of course he has exempted all Federal employees and congress, including post retirement.
The fun and pleasures of the VA bureaucrats as the sole determinants of what health care an American receives.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:06:29am |
re: #69 experiencedtraveller
LGoP, you beat me to the Up-Dinger :)
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:06:31am |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:06:32am |
would it be considered ‘extremist’ to predict tent cities or food rationing if we continue down this road?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:07:23am |
re: #45 littleoldlady
History
repeats itselfburps!“We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work… . We have never made good on our promises… . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started… . And an enormous debt to boot!”
—Treasury Secretary under FDR, Henry Morgenthau, May 6, 1939
Obama will come up with something. Maybe they’ll hire people to pedal bicycles to generate power. Just have a matrix of bicycles connected to the power grid.
No Mexican food for these people, though; can’t have methane emissions.
I’m not sure what they’ll do when they find people also emit CO2.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:07:23am |
re: #77 buzzsawmonkey
Have you seen all of the jobs that
We create or save?
Both of these are just vague numbers
We can bloat or shave
With your tax receipts
To play around in—with apologies to the Beatles’ “Piggies”
excellent
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:07:25am |
Hey y’all - back for a while from the dentist! So I thought I’d see what kinda pain we are all in! LOL!
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:07:46am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:07:52am |
re: #58 rightside
I have heard that refrain before. From the NDP when they were in power here in Ontario back in 90 to 94. Socialist bastards.
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JarHeadLifer Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:08:11am |
re: #1 Gang of One
Smoke and mirrors.
It seems that there’s much more smoke of late. Not surprising given what happened when Rome burned.
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cronus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:08:13am |
Who would have thought this governing thing would be so much harder than writing two books filled with platitudes?
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:08:21am |
I think they believed that the economy would eventually recover on its own and they could then take credit for it. In the meantime, they didn’t want to waste a good crisis so they set upon the lib pet projects they have wanted for ages. Plus, they started to dole out the money they needed to keep their base voters happy. Tax and spend - what a surprise.
However, reality being a bitch, business and the markets are scared witless over the massive taxes coming and the rebound of inflation to follow. Therefore, jobs still disappear and none are created.
We are in for a world of hurt.
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JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:08:51am |
re: #35 Son of the Black Dog
I fear that we are in the middle phase of a double dip recession - depression and that the next downhill run on the economic roller-coaster is going to be a real gut wrencher.
I have stated before we are already in a depression, but the MSM refuses to say it and no economist wants to go out on that limb yet. Our economy has contracted by over 15-18% in less than one year depending on who is counting, real unemployment numbers when you count all people out of work, not just people drawing a check are over 17% and climbing and most likely will hit over 20% by fall. Imports and more importantly exports are tanking.
In every measurable way, we are in a depression and the bottom is not yet in sight.
Stimulus #2 is right around the corner. I bet $5 bucks it will be unveiled this October-November.
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sngnsgt Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:08:51am |
Jobs, schmobs, the globe is frying! The global warming fraud is my first concern! /BHO
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:03am |
re: #61 LGoPs
The rationing will also coldy and calculatedly help solve the Social Security crisis. Dead folk don’t get payments.
Put money on it.
Spot on. This snippet from the article I linked above:
Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has said his committee needs to come up with $600 billion in new taxes to deliver on Obama’s goal of sweeping changes to the nation’s health care system to bring down costs and cover the 50 million uninsured. Hundreds of billions of dollars more would come from cuts to Medicare and Medicaid to pay for legislation expected to cost around $1 trillion over 10 years.
You don’t get that without rationing, and as we know Medicare and Medicaid are programs for the elderly and the poor. Sucks to be either of those with Obama in charge.
I’m already one of those, and with what’s happening to the economy, will probably end up being both.
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:33am |
re: #79 Kosh’s Shadow
Obama will come up with something. Maybe they’ll hire people to pedal bicycles to generate power. Just have a matrix of bicycles connected to the power grid.
No Mexican food for these people, though; can’t have methane emissions.
I’m not sure what they’ll do when they find people also emit CO2.
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Yeah, but just think how HEALTHY they’ll be!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:36am |
re: #85 cronus
Who would have thought this governing thing would be so much harder than writing two books filled with platitudes?
I really suspect both those unworthy tomes were ghost-written so as to pump up Our Man Obama’s extensive and impressive resume.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:36am |
Its beginning to feel like Obama might be fudging the facts on a few things.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:38am |
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:47am |
re: #76 albusteve
would it be considered ‘extremist’ to predict tent cities or food rationing if we continue down this road?
Well I think it’s a tad early to be predicting that, but hold on to that thought for a while anyway!
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Dahveed Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:54am |
How about instead of a second stimulus we stop the first and start all over again. Let’s try with reductions in rates on capital gains and business taxes. Perhaps reducing the employment tax for a little while.
No way in hell this administration would do this. It may actually help the economy and we don’t want too much of that.
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wintercat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:09:54am |
What do you mean he hasn’t created jobs? Why according to this article the WH has added a number of new jobs for people to look after the FLOTUS. And existing jobs got pay increases. Change!
Michelle’s staffers
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:10:27am |
re: #91 buzzsawmonkey
Oh, I’m sure one will come up sooner or later.
We will expect you to do it in sign language.
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Baier Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:10:31am |
Who needs a job when the government guarantees food, housing, medical coverage, and college! Good times are here at last!/
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:10:45am |
re: #98 realwest
Well I think it’s a tad early to be predicting that, but hold on to that thought for a while anyway!
believe me, I am
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:10:51am |
re: #87 littleoldlady
HEY! {littleoldlady} - how are you and are you up early or boy am I up late! LOL!
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:10:55am |
Is it the president’s job to create jobs? NO. It’s the president’s foremost job to protect this country’s freedom so that IT can create jobs.
A little OT, but a bit of positive history and remembrance never intrudes. IMO.
General Tommy Franks told us precisely how on Day One of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Few caught it. It was so very simple and so very brilliant and almost everyone thought it only applied to one objective; overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Remember what he said?
“We will close with and engage the enemy at a time and place of our choosing.”
It was genius and anyone in the United States who thought it only meant Saddam Hussein were rope-a-doped along with the new enemy. The American rope-a-dopers whose occupation it was to destroy George W Bush, unknowingly helped severely weaken the most difficult enemy faced by any state or alliance in human history.
Now how did we win and cripple for life this new enemy? Using their ideology against them, we lured them into a location in which we could engage them using our superior capabilities on a battlefield with which we were quite familiar. This enemy is a worldwide cancer and occupies not merely Afghanistan (an extremely difficult theater to say the least) but also the entire globe. It would have been impossible to go to several nations, cross their sovereign borders, find the terrorist hideouts then close with and engage them.
Imagine the worldwide hair lighting on fire had that happened. It was bad enough when yellow cake was hidden by glasses of mint tea in Niger from one of the Bush hating torches. Barney Frank would have gone straight, found his false teeth, worn them and lit his hair on fire if we invaded several nations. We didn’t. We drew them into Iraq and we killed them there. Simple and genius.
Even Barack Obama admitted it — and as usual, was clueless when he did so. Remember his pre-election interview on Fox News with Bill O’Reilly? Bill asked him if George W Bush was right about the surge and defeating al Qaeda in Iraq. Remember what Obama said?
“Before Bush invaded, there was no al Qaeda in Iraq.”
You got it Sun Tzu, er, I mean Mr. President. The strategery worked as planned, just like Tommy Franks said it would “at a time and place of OUR choosing.”
The enemy’s ideology drew him to attack American forces in Iraq with the intention to force an American loss. The more the mainstream media and Democrats celebrated each thousand American deaths, the more terrorists from all over the globe flocked to Iraq. Each worked with the other to further their own set of agendas and ideologies; one for political power and the other for twisted religious ideology. While doing so, we destroyed the enemy and their leaders, most going completely unreported. It was brilliant. So much so that they still haven’t figured it out because they simply do not have the ability to do so. The domestic opposition did however have the ability to take credit for W’s win last week, celebrating Iraqi victory over terrorism.
That is why I want to thank George W Bush and the military leaders who finally, finally after all the lost friends, lost Marines, lost three thousand plus Americans, had the courage and temerity to close with and engage this new enemy and defeat them in so many ways, crippling them to the point of near extinction. You also taught our new president how to authorize a surge like the one now taking place in Afghanistan. Leftist pettiness would never allow them to call it that, but that is exactly what it is patterned after, General Petraeus.
Thank you President Bush. I know it doesn’t mean much coming from some former Marine in Missouri but I appreciate what you did and I’ll never forget it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:11:45am |
re: #106 buzzsawmonkey
I don’t do closed captioning.
RATS!
/and I was hoping things would quieten down a tad in here
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:11:47am |
The Bush recession
The Obama Depression
I miss George Bush
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:11:55am |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:12:00am |
re: #108 cronus
So is “job creation” officially under the bus?
Asking questions about who is under the bus doesn’t help Obama’s kids
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Baier Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:12:19am |
re: #108 cronus
So is “job creation” officially under the bus?
Has is gotten to the point where there are only inanimate objects left to throw under bus?
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:12:30am |
re: #92 subsailor68
Hey sub! I are both of those and it already sucks, big time!
How are ya doing today?
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:12:31am |
re: #79 Kosh’s Shadow
Obama will come up with something. Maybe they’ll hire people to pedal bicycles to generate power. Just have a matrix of bicycles connected to the power grid.
No Mexican food for these people, though; can’t have methane emissions.
I’m not sure what they’ll do when they find people also emit CO2./////
If this wasn’t so deadly serious I would swear that it is the biggest prank of all time……… “Hey, let’s come up with the most fucked up, drug addled, crackpot, cockamamie ideas ever conjured up in the ‘60’s and make them the law of the land. Yeah, good idea maaaan……farm out”
Makes me want to scream.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:13:16am |
re: #113 Baier
Has is gotten to the point where there are only inanimate objects left to throw under bus?
The economy, the American people, and the Rule of Law are all that seems to be unthrown.
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Bear Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:13:28am |
Any bets as to how many jobs have been created overseas by the stimulus?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:13:35am |
The vibration you experiencing in your SmartCar are the front wheel lug-nuts breaking free at 174mph.
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:13:46am |
In the LA Times no less. This is stunning.
The worm may have turned.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:13:52am |
I think there’s some nuance here. The article Charles links to cites this as the source…..
In a question-and-answer section written to help applicants understand the process, the document continues: “Will DOE use the number of jobs estimated to be created and/or retained as a criterion for rating a proposal for funding?”“No. Although job creation is not included in the technical criteria used to rate proposals, it plays an important role throughout the grant process, and grant recipients are required to submit the numbers of jobs created and retained in their quarterly reports to DOE and to recovery.gov.”
So the estimated jobs isn’t used to rate the original proposal but for grants and continued evalution it seems like it’s still a consideration.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:14:17am |
re: #116 MandyManners
I might be willing to pay some taxes to hire someone to teach her how to dress and behave.
I see MANY articles of how fashionable WAB is, and how she is the new trend setter in all things.
*vomit*
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:14:35am |
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Baier Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:14:41am |
re: #118 Bear
Any bets as to how many jobs have been created overseas by the stimulus?
We’re going to export what is remaining of our manufacturing overseas…in China they don’t pay for CO2 emissions.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:14:49am |
re: #79 Kosh’s Shadow
Obama will come up with something…
/////
For some reason, in my mind’s eye I see a bunch of slaves with bicycles carting very huge loads of heavy stuff.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:15:58am |
re: #93 littleoldlady
Yeah, but just think how HEALTHY they’ll be!
Just like galley slaves! Great abs! Tight butts! Wonderful upper-body development!
/sorry about the lash, the wreckage of the hands, and the way your heart gives out. Oh, and never mind the way you’re manacled to the deck!
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:06am |
Instead of FLOTUS I would make the title FLOTSAM - First Lady of the Stupid Ass Morons.
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cronus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:07am |
re: #113 Baier
Has is gotten to the point where there are only inanimate objects left to throw under bus?
Inanimate objects are less likely to try and defend themselves.
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Baier Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:25am |
re: #126 Conservative in Liberal Hands
For some reason, in my mind’s eye I see a bunch of slaves with bicycles carting very huge loads of heavy stuff.
Xerxes comes to mind here….
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avanti Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:49am |
re: #76 albusteve
would it be considered ‘extremist’ to predict tent cities or food rationing if we continue down this road?
Yes, I think it would. Too much hope and change is one thing, the sky is falling is a another. I’ve lived though a few recessions like this, and don’t expect food rationing from this one.
I need to step outside the bubble and get some yard work done, you guys a bringing down my mood with your gloom and doom this morning.
Later Lizards.
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:52am |
From the article,
A department spokeswoman explained to Klein that although job creation no longer mattered in choosing which projects to fund, job creation still mattered in choosing which projects to fund. It “will be taken into account,” she said.
Well, thanks for clearing that up. Meanwhile in Texas, Pickens Calls Off Massive Wind Farm In Texas
In Texas, the problem lies in getting power from the proposed site in the Panhandle to a distribution system, Pickens said in an interview with The Associated Press in New York. He’d hoped to build his own transmission lines but he said there were technical problems.
Technical problems? Forgedaboudit. Is this what we’ve come to?
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:16:57am |
re: #114 realwest
Hey sub! I are both of those and it already sucks, big time!
How are ya doing today?
Hi RW! I’m doing great - and I hope you are as well! I’m actually contributing to job creation. Couldn’t figure out where to invest during this debacle, so decided to put some money into the house. I have four landscapers here cleaning up the mess I made trying to keep things up, and they’re putting in plants and such that actually belong here in our part of Texas.
And you know what almost broke my heart? All four guys have come up to me (separately) and said “thanks so much for giving us this contract, it’s been pretty grim recently - and you can bet that we’ll do a super job!”
And I know they will! Good folks.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:17:41am |
Macker, VegasRick -
Belated thanks for the Up’s.
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:17:49am |
In Italy just now The One used “let me be cleaqr” again. I tell ya, that’s his codde for “you ain’t gonna believe THIS sh*t”.
“In the past the united States hasn’t always done its share. let me be clear, those days are over.”
This guy is becoming his own satirist.
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itellu3times Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:17:56am |
We need a second stimulus to make up for the depression caused by the first stimulus.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:01am |
re: #134 MandyManners
I was wearing sleeveless clothes long before I heard of her.
But you aren’t WAB, so that doesn’t matter to the brain-dead sycophant American media.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:08am |
re: #127 Dianna
Just like galley slaves! Great abs! Tight butts! Wonderful upper-body development!
Take our minds off the agony.
Keep telling us that, oar and oar.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:26am |
re: #64 avanti
Down to a record low of 56% on Gallup with the 1 PM daily poll. That’s a 4 point drop with the the market decline this week.
Only 4 more points down to go to get to that comfortable and wonderful number of 52%.
Gee, I wish I could have gone through life with only half of everyone that relied on me getting satisfaction.
We win!
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:27am |
re: #131 avanti
Yes, I think it would. Too much hope and change is one thing, the sky is falling is a another. I’ve lived though a few recessions like this, and don’t expect food rationing from this one.
I need to step outside the bubble and get some yard work done, you guys a bringing down my mood with your gloom and doom this morning.
Later Lizards.
Reality SUCKS!
Unicorns, however, are fun!
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:27am |
re: #111 littleoldlady
No Ma’am, I will not question (but I did just yawn - wonder if that means………., nah, nevermind!
It is SO GOOD to see you out here! Put a smile on my face it did!
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:34am |
re: #130 Baier
Xerxes comes to mind here….
I just know that a classical education would come in handy someday…
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:18:38am |
re: #126 Conservative in Liberal Hands
For some reason, in my mind’s eye I see a bunch of slaves with bicycles carting very huge loads of heavy stuff.
Making giant monuments to Obama.
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wintercat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:03am |
re: #116 MandyManners
I might be willing to pay some taxes to hire someone to teach her how to dress and behave.
You’ve got that right. I find my jaw dropping everytime I see her heralded as a fashion plate. Seriously, is this not the most extreme case of the Emperor’s (or Emperess) new clothes that you have ever witnessed?
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:09am |
re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its beginning to feel like Obama might be fudging the facts
on a few thingsevery time he opens his mouth./
Fixed for ya.
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cronus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:10am |
“job creation” may already be on the verge of becoming Obama’s “mission accomplished”…
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:19am |
re: #131 avanti
Yes, I think it would. Too much hope and change is one thing, the sky is falling is a another. I’ve lived though a few recessions like this, and don’t expect food rationing from this one.
I need to step outside the bubble and get some yard work done, you guys a bringing down my mood with your gloom and doom this morning.
Later Lizards.
Sorry, we were “squabbling.”
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:20am |
typing accuracy at 20% while I try to eat KFC….
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:29am |
re: #148 Shug
OK, I give up, WTF does WAB stand for
Whinny Ass Bitch. I think Mandy Manners coined the term.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:31am |
re: #131 avanti
Reality is a bitch when facts get in the way of one’s delusions.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:37am |
re: #148 Shug
OK, I give up, WTF does WAB stand for
Hi shug! I may be wrong, but I believe it stands for whiny-ass bitch.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:19:44am |
re: #122 Killgore Trout
As well from the article:
Back in Washington, however, ABC’s ever-vigilant Rick Klein reports on a mystery: It seems that about 10 days ago job creation was quietly dropped as a major criteria for rating proposed projects for potential funding over at the Department of Energy. Even as grumbling grows about the glacial pace of recovery (jobs) from the once much-vaunted funding.
Much more is going on…….
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:20:28am |
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:20:38am |
re: #147 Kosh’s Shadow
Making giant monuments to Obama.
Pyramids… both the structures and the schemes…
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:21:11am |
re: #155 FurryOldGuyJeans
Reality is a bitch when facts get in the way of one’s delusions.
Exactly. The reality that you are pointing out is harshing my fantasy world, let me flounce off before I have to face the facts.
/
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:21:11am |
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:21:31am |
re: #153 jcbunga
typing accuracy at 20% while I try to eat KFC….
Sounds like lawsuit material to me. Old Colonel Sanders has deep pockets…
/
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:21am |
re: #145 realwest
It’s good to see YOU, too, realwest. We’re usually like sheeps in the night…
© Archie Bunker
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:21am |
re: #138 jcbunga
The difference between a fairy tale and a sea story?
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Dahveed Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:26am |
re: #138 jcbunga
In Italy just now The One used “let me be cleaqr” again. I tell ya, that’s his codde for “you ain’t gonna believe THIS sh*t”.
“In the past the united States hasn’t always done its share. let me be clear, those days are over.”
This guy is becoming his own satirist.
Why is it when Obama says “let me be clear”, I become more and more confused?
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VioletTiger Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:34am |
re: #164 Walter L. Newton
Exactly. The reality that you are pointing out is harshing my fantasy world, let me flounce off before I have to face the facts.
/
Ah, now I understand ‘flounce’.
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:36am |
re: #131 avanti
Yes, I think it would. Too much hope and change is one thing, the sky is falling is a another. I’ve lived though a few recessions like this, and don’t expect food rationing from this one.
I need to step outside the bubble and get some yard work done, you guys a bringing down my mood with your gloom and doom this morning.
Later Lizards.
Sorry we don’t see the nuances like you do. We’re just a bunch of unsuffistikated roobs.
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:45am |
re: #166 buzzsawmonkey
As I observed yesterday, Obama’s penchant for “let me be clear” is remarkably reminiscent of Democratic bete noire Richard Nixon, whose constant refrain of “Let me make one thing perfectly clear” was a standard tool of satirists, parodists and mimics for years.
Except the current stock of satirists, parodists and mimics all work for the ONE, so we won’t be hearing any of that.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:22:49am |
re: #167 experiencedtraveller
Sounds like lawsuit material to me. Old Colonel Sanders has deep pockets…
/
You mess with him, you mess with the whole Pentaverate
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:23:00am |
re: #169 Dianna
The difference between a fairy tale and a sea story?
A Fairy Tale begins “Once upon a time…” a Sea Story begins “No Shit…”
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:04am |
re: #166 buzzsawmonkey
As I observed yesterday, Obama’s penchant for “let me be clear” is remarkably reminiscent of Democratic bete noire Richard Nixon, whose constant refrain of “Let me make one thing perfectly clear” was a standard tool of satirists, parodists and mimics for years.
Nixon was talented. He played both the piano and Checkers.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:06am |
re: #172 LGoPs
Sorry we don’t see the nuances like you do. We’re just a bunch of unsuffistikated roobs.
/
I was wondering how to spell that word… thanks. I wish I went to college when I had the chance.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:12am |
re: #157 BlueCanuck
If you follow the links you can read the criteria here: Smart Grid Investment Grants
It seems that they are judging proposals on broader impact rather than number of jobs created. Suppose someone proposes something really cool, cheap and effective but it only creates 20 jobs. A larger more wasteful project would create 1,000 jobs. Which project should get priority?
We can debate the merits of this but it’s not an indication that Obama doesn’t want to create jobs.
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JustABill Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:30am |
re: #133 subsailor68
Hi RW! I’m doing great - and I hope you are as well! I’m actually contributing to job creation. Couldn’t figure out where to invest during this debacle, so decided to put some money into the house. I have four landscapers here cleaning up the mess I made trying to keep things up, and they’re putting in plants and such that actually belong here in our part of Texas.
And you know what almost broke my heart? All four guys have come up to me (separately) and said “thanks so much for giving us this contract, it’s been pretty grim recently - and you can bet that we’ll do a super job!”
And I know they will! Good folks.
They said this in English, or are you translating?
/
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:40am |
re: #166 buzzsawmonkey
As I observed yesterday, Obama’s penchant for “let me be clear” is remarkably reminiscent of Democratic bete noire Richard Nixon, whose constant refrain of “Let me make one thing perfectly clear” was a standard tool of satirists, parodists and mimics for years.
Yep. ‘Let me be clear” always makes me want to say, “Oh please don’t. I much prefer incoherent drivel.”
It also bugs me when I see politicians use “What a great question” in interviews. To me that translates to “Crap. Why’d he ask me that? I don’t have a clue as to how to answer.”
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:24:51am |
re: #154 Semper Gumbi
Whin
ney Ass Bitch. I think Mandy Manners coined the term.
I love the mistake, though.
Does she neigh?
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JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:25:31am |
re: #175 Conservative in Liberal Hands
A Fairy Tale begins “Once upon a time…” a Sea Story begins “No Shit…”
Or: This one time in Thailand……..
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:25:49am |
re: #132 abolitionist
From your link:
Renewable energy provides a small fraction of electricity used today, but the wind and solar sectors are the fastest growing in the U.S. In 2008, the U.S. became the world’s leading provider of wind power.Like most industries around the world, the recession has hurt wind turbine manufacturers and wind farm developers. Companies have shelved development plans and laid off workers.
[emphasis added, realwest]
And, like you, wonder what those “technical problems were or are and if it’s not code for “I couldn’t scare up enough money for the project” why we couldn’t figure out a technical solution?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:26:05am |
re: #184 MandyManners
What about “My Dick is clean”?
I thought you were a woman. Wow, you learn something new every day.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:26:24am |
re: #177 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Nixon was talented. He played both the piano and Checkers.
Nixon was actually a famous poker player in his WW2 Navy days.
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:26:38am |
re: #181 subsailor68
Yep. ‘Let me be clear” always makes me want to say, “Oh please don’t. I much prefer incoherent drivel.”
It also bugs me when I see politicians use “What a great question” in interviews. To me that translates to “Crap. Why’d he ask me that? I don’t have a clue as to how to answer.”
I wonder if they actually type that into the teleprompter…pause pensively, look left, then right, say “Let me be clear”…wait…wait…”
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:26:38am |
Baier, Dianna (twice!), Kosh’s Shadow, BlueCanuck (twice!)
Thank you very much!
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Sacred Plants Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:27:52am |
And what does replace ´creating jobs´ as a political goal?
Creating as much wealth as possible with as little jobs as possible?
Reducing our dependency on jobs? Abolishing the sink-or-swim society? Implementing the right to be lazy? Learning to take your time into your own hands?
Or will nothing but a rhetorical void result from scrapping that empty phrase?
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HypnoToad Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:03am |
A few weeks ago, I saw a very scary indicator of the future of our
economy. I was driving down the 10 freeway in Colton, west of San Bernardino in SoCal. There is a huge rail marshalling yard there that assembles the trains that carry goods through the Cajon pass and on to the east coast. This is one of the busiest rail corridors in the world, handling goods on their way from asia to europe as well as domestic shipments. There were over 125 locomotives parked end to end on a siding. Normally there are only a few there waiting
for a string of cars to be stacked, the rest are pulling trains around the country. Like airliners on the ground, they are not making any money sitting there idle. This isn’t unexpected in an economic downturn, but there were so many!
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:07am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:07am |
re: #188 OldLineTexan
Nixon was actually a famous poker player in his WW2 Navy days.
Didn’t know that, but sure wouldn’t doubt it.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:21am |
re: #180 JustABill
They said this in English, or are you translating?
/
Hi JustABill! LOL! Actually in English. Turns out they’re all former GM executives.
;-)
(Okay, I made that up.)
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:26am |
re: #186 realwest
From your link:
[emphasis added, realwest]
And, like you, wonder what those “technical problems were or are and if it’s not code for “I couldn’t scare up enough money for the project” why we couldn’t figure out a technical solution?
T. Boone Pickens has a lot of turbines for sale due to technical issues.
Or poor planning.
/
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:41am |
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:28:58am |
re: #120 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
The vibration you experiencing in your SmartCar are the front wheel lug-nuts breaking free at 174mph.
[Video]
Everyone should watch this video.
/and sometimes I’d swear that the Smart cars I see are trying to drive 174 mph.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:29:00am |
if BO is actually interested in creating jobs, he should call 3wood…pretty simple…BO has no clue how to create jobs and I’m not convinced he wants to….most evidence points otherwise
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:29:04am |
re: #149 wintercat
You’ve got that right. I find my jaw dropping everytime I see her heralded as a fashion plate. Seriously, is this not the most extreme case of the Emperor’s (or Emperess) new clothes that you have ever witnessed?
She’s no pant suit queen.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:29:15am |
To be fair, Obama did create around 32 new jobs. I think that’s the number of “Czars” he has appointed.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:29:16am |
re: #192 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe we need a new Cold War to fight global warming.
I live in Canada where we have two seasons. Cold and colder. I WANT MY GLOBAL WARMING BACK!
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:22am |
re: #208 BlueCanuck
I live in Canada where we have two seasons. Cold and colder. I WANT MY GLOBAL WARMING BACK!
You can’t have it! The good elected-for-life representatives in Washington DC have cornered the market and won’t let go…
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:24am |
re: #207 _RememberTonyC
To be fair, Obama did create around 32 new jobs. I think that’s the number of “Czars” he has appointed.
And the number of bureaucrats has increased near exponentially.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:24am |
re: #198 scottishbuzzsaw
Rein in the horse jokes…you could hurt her feelings.
Let it be.
Don’t look gift whores in the mouth.
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Ay, Caramba Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:30am |
Who are you going to believe, Me or the Facts?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:36am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Please, don’t saddle me with that responsibility.
Perhaps we should try a new tack then.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:44am |
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:45am |
I was 16 when Jimmuh was elected, so he’s the first I somewhat paid attention to. I remember at the time hearing pundits bail on him by characterizing him as “unpresidential” and that stuck with me. Right or wrong, when Nixon spoke he was certainly the president.
The One is gonna face that issue.
Everything that comes out of his mouth seems like a fraud and you start wondering where we got this guy.
That’s where the polling is headed.
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:56am |
I had to use my defroster this morning to get rid of the dew on my car windshields
you know, like we usually have to do in april
but it’s July
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:30:58am |
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:31:06am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:31:11am |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
If it wasn’t about creating jobs to begin with, why include it as a metric and tout the energy spending as a jobs creator? It’s disingenuous at a minimum.
Fact is that all of Obama’s economics figures are rife with voodoo math. Now, he’s shifting the goalposts to obfuscate that fact. Instead of saying that it’s not creating the jobs expected (which would be true), he’s saying that it was never about jobs created. It’s nonsense.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:31:15am |
re: #204 Son of the Black Dog
I never believed that they could go that fast. Can’t watch the video. Was it on a flat, or down a steep hill?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:31:24am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Please, don’t saddle me with that responsibility.
Looks like we’re coming to the mane event.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:31:34am |
re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans
And the number of bureaucrats has increased near exponentially.
no kidding. and I do believe ACORN has added a bunch of new positions …
{blood boiling}
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:16am |
re: #192 buzzsawmonkey
Maybe we need a new Cold War to fight global warming.
Using that as a thought: The left’s most effective tactic is ridicule. Why can’t someone bring up all the end of the world gloom being preached back in the ‘70’s over Global Cooling and the coming Ice Age. What about the Population Bomb?
IMO it would be an incredibly effective tactic to run those chicken little rants and use them to expose and highlight the lemming like rush off the cliff going on today.
It can’t be that hard. Dredge up the Time magazine articles, the books, the headlines……..and beat the fuckers over the head with them.
Mock them for the idiots that they are.
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:33am |
re: #133 subsailor68
Hey sub - LOVED that story. I had thought that the “home improvement” industry would actually pick up with so many folks NOT buying new homes and am both surprised and disappointed that down your way, at least, this isn’t true.
BTW, if you haven’t done so already and have enough cash to do so: install therma pane (double pane) windows and storm door(s) and add some insulation - cause from a summary I read - probably linked to out here somewhere - the new Cap and Trade act -should it pass as written, requires that a homeowner pass an energy efficiency test administered by some contractor licensed by the EPA, BEFORE you can put your house on the Market to sell it. And, if it becomes law (and if the summary is correct) you can bet that lenders wouldn’t lend money to anyone who tried to buy the house even if it wasn’t marketed, unless it met those energy requirements!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:42am |
re: #226 MandyManners
I’m gonna’ hoof it on out of here to get some smokes.
And the puns keep galloping on, at a fair canter.
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:45am |
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KenJen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:46am |
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:32:49am |
re: #186 realwest
From your link:
[emphasis added, realwest]
And, like you, wonder what those “technical problems were or are and if it’s not code for “I couldn’t scare up enough money for the project” why we couldn’t figure out a technical solution?
It’s a couple of things. The problems included: 1) not getting the transmission lines authorized to run to where his wind farms were to be located; 2) financing fell through with the credit crunch; 3) natural gas prices dropped so that it makes the cost for wind power that much more expensive and less desirable than other power sources that are more stable.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:33:21am |
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:33:34am |
re: #132 abolitionist
From the article,
Technical problems? Forgedaboudit. Is this what we’ve come to?
The real technical problem with Boone’s Wind Farm is that he couldn’t get enough OPM (i.e., Other People’s Money).
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:33:41am |
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:33:53am |
re: #131 avanti Gee, I’m really sorry that Charles’ thread and link killed your buzz there avanti!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:14am |
re: #226 MandyManners
I’m gonna’ hoof it on out of here to get some smokes.
Don’t do it.
For lack of a nail, you’ll be a shoe-in to stop coffin.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:27am |
re: #221 lawhawk
If it wasn’t about creating jobs to begin with, why include it as a metric and tout the energy spending as a jobs creator? It’s disingenuous at a minimum.
Fact is that all of Obama’s economics figures are rife with voodoo math. Now, he’s shifting the goalposts to obfuscate that fact. Instead of saying that it’s not creating the jobs expected (which would be true), he’s saying that it was never about jobs created. It’s nonsense.
building fifty nuclear reactors would create a few jobs….opening up our off shore oil fields would create a few more…getting some electricity online for the eelctric car boom might even create some jobs….there is work to be done and money to be made…BO and the liberals are uninterested in the obvious solutions
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:33am |
Are we punning about Hillary? The Secretariot of State?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:40am |
re: #209 MandyManners
Please, don’t saddle me with that responsibility.
It may serve to spur you on with unbridled enthusiasm.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:44am |
re: #230 experiencedtraveller
At a gallop…
If this canter keeps up I may have to trot out the door before I get hobbled.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:34:58am |
re: #238 realwest
Gee, I’m really sorry that Charles’ thread and link killed your buzz there avanti!
I’m not. Reality is a harsh mistress when ignored.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:35:16am |
re: #201 OldLineTexan
T. Boone Pickens has a lot of turbines for sale due to technical issues.
Or poor planning./
Hi OldLineTexan! Heck, I’m guessin’ it wasn’t ever really about wind anyway. T. Boone’s no dummy (setbacks or not). It was about water (and ain’t that a big part of our history here in Texas?).
Here’s an article on it:
And the last line:
Pickens continues to buy up water rights…
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sngnsgt Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:35:27am |
re: #207 _RememberTonyC
To be fair, Obama did create around 32 new jobs. I think that’s the number of “Czars” he has appointed.
You forgot about Michelle’s new fashion Czar.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:35:35am |
re: #204 Son of the Black Dog
ObamaCare© exclusions: SmartCar wrecks. ;)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:35:57am |
re: #233 scottishbuzzsaw
Mine are only trotting.
Was it something you ate?
/anyone for a diarrhea pun-thread?
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:06am |
If Charles follows through on his T-Shirt idea, I think he could do the back like a concert T-shirt that lists all the cities and dates. But instead of concert dates, he could do the Idiotarian of the Year winners.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:13am |
pre-Boomer Marine brat
Thanks!~
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experiencedtraveller Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:20am |
re: #244 BlueCanuck
If this canter keeps up I may have to trot out the door before I get hobbled.
If your puns don’t improve you are going to be gelded.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:31am |
re: #247 subsailor68
Hi OldLineTexan! Heck, I’m guessin’ it wasn’t ever really about wind anyway. T. Boone’s no dummy (setbacks or not). It was about water (and ain’t that a big part of our history here in Texas?).
Here’s an article on it:
And the last line:
Pickens continues to buy up water rights…
And here I misremembered the situation as a land buyout, but if one controls water then land follows.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:34am |
re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans
I’m not. Reality is a harsh mistress when ignored.
pathetic cut and run….no karma points to troll for
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KenJen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:36:38am |
re: #244 BlueCanuck
If this canter keeps up I may have to trot out the door before I get hobbled.
That’s really lame.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:37:10am |
re: #221 lawhawk
Read the criteria. It’s about overall impact not just creating busywork jobs. Otherwise you could propose to hire 500,000 people to collect aluminum cans on the highway and get priority over a proposal to hire 20 people to manufacture cheap and efficient solar panels.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:37:14am |
re: #250 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Was it something you ate?
/anyone for a diarrhea pun-thread?
Horse-shit!
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:37:18am |
re: #249 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
ObamaCare© exclusions: SmartCar wrecks. ;)
Yeah, it’s nice to ride around in your soon to be coffin. Not much work over and above a regular hole. Funeral viewings will be difficult though.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:37:33am |
re: #247 subsailor68
water is the next crisis we will face….oh look, a squirrel!
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:37:39am |
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:38:07am |
re: #241 jcbunga
Are we punning about Hillary? The Secretariot of State?
Actually, to be politically correct should we not be addressing her as the Administrative Assistant of State?
“Yo, Hill baby - go get me a cup of coffee”…..
///
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wintercat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:38:21am |
re: #206 midwestgak
She’s no pant suit queen.
I always felt sympathetic towards Hillary for the lambasting she received over her wardrobe. She was attempting to distract from her pear shape and less than desireable ankles with the pant suits. So, I would never laugh at her for that.
Now, her voice when she tried to project…that was super bad.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:38:43am |
re: #128 LGoPs
Instead of FLOTUS I would make the title FLOTSAM - First Lady of the Stupid Ass Morons.
FLOTUS. Isn’t that what you flush down the terlet?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:38:44am |
re: #247 subsailor68
Hi OldLineTexan! Heck, I’m guessin’ it wasn’t ever really about wind anyway. T. Boone’s no dummy (setbacks or not). It was about water (and ain’t that a big part of our history here in Texas?).
Here’s an article on it:
And the last line:
Pickens continues to buy up water rights…
All those expensive turbines is a hell of a price to pay for cover for buying water rights … unless, of course, we taxpayers are subsidizing good ol’ T. Boone the selfless humanitarian world-saver.
/not enough slash marks to do it right
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JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:38:51am |
re: #221 lawhawk
If it wasn’t about creating jobs to begin with, why include it as a metric and tout the energy spending as a jobs creator? It’s disingenuous at a minimum.
Fact is that all of Obama’s economics figures are rife with voodoo math. Now, he’s shifting the goalposts to obfuscate that fact. Instead of saying that it’s not creating the jobs expected (which would be true), he’s saying that it was never about jobs created. It’s nonsense.
It was never about jobs. Obama thought just by doing what his budddies were saying would really create jobs and make everything work and the world would love us again, like right after WWII. Deep down Obama believes the entire left/socialist/wealth redistribution meme. Is is part of his soul and the way he was raised. He has never really been challenged in his beliefs for his entire life. Things just keep getting handed to him and he thinks that is the way the real world works.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:39:04am |
re: #254 FurryOldGuyJeans
And here I misremembered the situation as a land buyout, but if one controls water then land follows.
Nope, you didn’t misremember. One line from that Business Week article:
But that didn’t work out. Last August, legislation that gave Pickens the right to seize land ran afoul of the Justice Dept.
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HelloDare Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:39:18am |
Breaking: Senate postpones cap-and-trade
The Washington Post reports that the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee will hold off on consideration of the House cap-and-trade bill until September at the earliest:
President Barack Obama’s push for quick action by Congress on climate change legislation suffered a setback on Thursday when the U.S. Senate committee leading the drive delayed work on the bill until September.
Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer said her self-imposed deadline of early August for finishing writing a bill to combat global warming has been put off until after Congress returns from a recess that ends in early September.
“We’ll do it as soon as we get back” from that break, Boxer told reporters. Asked if this delay jeopardizes chances the Senate will pass a bill this year, Boxer said, “Not a bit … we’ll be in (session) until Christmas, so I’m not worried about it.”
But Boxer did not guarantee Congress will be able to finish a bill and deliver it to Obama by December, when he plans to attend an international summit on climate change in Copenhagen.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:39:24am |
re: #248 sngnsgt
You forgot about Michelle’s new fashion Czar.
speaking of which …. how about those shirts that the “First Daughter” has been wearing? I find them very offensive, but I do not blame the kid. The parents know what message those shirts convey and I find exploiting their kid for political/policy purposes to be offensive in the extreme.
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KenJen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:39:32am |
re: #250 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Was it something you ate?
/anyone for a diarrhea pun-thread?
I don’t think I could digest one right now.
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jvic Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:40:01am |
re: #211 FurryOldGuyJeans
And the number of bureaucrats has increased near exponentially.
The Singularity is Near!
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:40:10am |
re: #264 LGoPs
Actually, to be politically correct should we not be addressing her as the Administrative Assistant of State?
“Yo, Hill baby - go get me a cup of coffee”…..
///
I believe the actual line thrown at her during the primary campaign by Obamatrons was, “Iron my shirts!”
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:40:36am |
Even one year ago, no one would tolerate/accept the title of czar for any American held office. “King” is still anathama. But czar? Savior? How did we get here?
Now I remember. The November election.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:02am |
re: #269 subsailor68
Nope, you didn’t misremember. One line from that Business Week article:
But that didn’t work out. Last August, legislation that gave Pickens the right to seize land ran afoul of the Justice Dept.
No matter what it was, one Grifter running a Big Con on energy and the economy is more than sufficient.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:02am |
re: #228 realwest
BTW, if you haven’t done so already and have enough cash to do so: install therma pane (double pane) windows and storm door(s) and add some insulation…
Love it! Great minds think alike. I’ve got the therma panes (windows and door windows). Don’t really need storm doors here in the Hill Country, but the insulation in the windows in the main doors really helps.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:09am |
when BO gets set to implode, popcorn will certainly need to be rationed…stock up now
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:15am |
re: #276 buzzsawmonkey
It’s too bad the First Lady is admired more for her biception than her perception.
I think she’s juiced
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:30am |
re: #270 HelloDare
Breaking: Senate postpones cap-and-trade
The Washington Post reports that the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee will hold off on consideration of the House cap-and-trade bill until September at the earliest:
President Barack Obama’s push for quick action by Congress on climate change legislation suffered a setback on Thursday when the U.S. Senate committee leading the drive delayed work on the bill until September.
Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer said her self-imposed deadline of early August for finishing writing a bill to combat global warming has been put off until after Congress returns from a recess that ends in early September.
“We’ll do it as soon as we get back” from that break, Boxer told reporters. Asked if this delay jeopardizes chances the Senate will pass a bill this year, Boxer said, “Not a bit … we’ll be in (session) until Christmas, so I’m not worried about it.”
But Boxer did not guarantee Congress will be able to finish a bill and deliver it to Obama by December, when he plans to attend an international summit on climate change in Copenhagen.
Evasive Action?
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:30am |
re: #274 littleoldlady
I believe the actual line thrown at her during the primary campaign by Obamatrons was, “Iron my shirts!”
Wow. Really?
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aggieann Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:32am |
re: #247 subsailor68
And the last line:
Pickens continues to buy up water rights…
Water will be the cause of the world’s real strife over the next century or so, but few people realize it.
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:37am |
re: #176 Iron Fist
Hasn’t done its share? I guess he’s forgetting the little incidents called affectionately World War I and World War II, not to mention the little thing called the Cold War that all the Lefties want to forget since the wrong side won. And this guy is President?
Everyday, Obama proves anew that he has no knowledge of history and no geopolitical perspective.
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:41:41am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:18am |
re: #276 buzzsawmonkey
It’s too bad the First Lady is admired more for her biception than her perception.
All the swooning makes me think of the Seinfeld episode of the obsession over some woman having man hands, and I have yet to really watch any part of the show.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:21am |
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:35am |
re: #271 _RememberTonyC
speaking of which …. how about those shirts that the “First Daughter” has been wearing? I find them very offensive, but I do not blame the kid. The parents know what message those shirts convey and I find exploiting their kid for political/policy purposes to be offensive in the extreme.
for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, here it is
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:46am |
re: #265 wintercat
I always felt sympathetic towards Hillary for the lambasting she received over her wardrobe. She was attempting to distract from her pear shape and less than desireable ankles with the pant suits. So, I would never laugh at her for that.
Now, her voice when she tried to project…that was super bad.
and her laugh. cackle. super bad
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littleoldlady Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:47am |
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aggieann Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:42:51am |
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Semper Gumbi Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:00am |
re: #173 Walter L. Newton
Except the current stock of satirists, parodists and mimics all work for the ONE, so we won’t be hearing any of that.
Actually, that’s not quite true. One of the local sandwich shops here in the DC area likes to use celeberty parodies in their ads. President Obama and “let me be clear” is prominently featured in their new ad. Something along the lines of “let me be clear, my last date night with michelle got me in a lot of trouble with the tax payers…”
It’s pretty funny. Also makes fun of the stimulus and his bloated budget request.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:05am |
re: #275 midwestgak
Even one year ago, no one would tolerate/accept the title of czar for any American held office. “King” is still anathama. But czar? Savior? How did we get here?
Now I remember. The November election.
To be fair, it’s been used before in American politics. To this day Bill Bennett still refers to his service as “Drug Czar” under George H W Bush
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:09am |
re: #271 _RememberTonyC
speaking of which …. how about those shirts that the “First Daughter” has been wearing? I find them very offensive, but I do not blame the kid. The parents know what message those shirts convey and I find exploiting their kid for political/policy purposes to be offensive in the extreme.
I saw that. A kid walking around with a shirt like that in an American city is one thing this is another.
Accompanying her father on an official trip , it seems inappropriate to me as a political statement.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:14am |
re: #183 Dianna
I love the mistake, though.
Does she neigh?
I can see her saying like Mr Ed’s “Ohhh Wilburrr”,
“Ohhhh, Barrrack”
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:27am |
re: #270 HelloDare
Breaking: Senate postpones cap-and-trade
The Washington Post reports that the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee will hold off on consideration of the House cap-and-trade bill until September at the earliest:
President Barack Obama’s push for quick action by Congress on climate change legislation suffered a setback on Thursday when the U.S. Senate committee leading the drive delayed work on the bill until September.
Senate Environment and Public Works Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer said her self-imposed deadline of early August for finishing writing a bill to combat global warming has been put off until after Congress returns from a recess that ends in early September.
“We’ll do it as soon as we get back” from that break, Boxer told reporters. Asked if this delay jeopardizes chances the Senate will pass a bill this year, Boxer said, “Not a bit … we’ll be in (session) until Christmas, so I’m not worried about it.”
But Boxer did not guarantee Congress will be able to finish a bill and deliver it to Obama by December, when he plans to attend an international summit on climate change in Copenhagen.
Oops!
“Senator Boxer, isn’t it possible that your plan is half-baked?”
“Oh no, it’s completely baked.”
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:55am |
BOs policies are exactly the same, and even a greater magnitutude, than the spending policies that have crushed CA….is there a way to talk our way around this?….
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:43:59am |
re: #275 midwestgak
Even one year ago, no one would tolerate/accept the title of czar for any American held office. “King” is still anathama. But czar? Savior? How did we get here?
Now I remember. The November election.
Um…remember the Drug Czar? The Energy Czar?
Nope. We’ve had czars in the past. In Republican administrations.
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:44:08am |
re: #180 JustABill
They said this in English, or are you translating?
/
If someone’s doing hot dirty work that I don’t want to do, I ain’t asking to see their green cards.
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jcbunga Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:44:23am |
have fun all.
For those in the DC area, another plane load of troops comes home at BWI 9:30 tonight, and another at 1PM tomorrow.
later…
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:44:47am |
OT and Developing:
NYS Sen. Pedro Espada is jumping ship again and rejoining the Democrats, giving the Democrats control over the chamber. Espada and Monserrate had joined the GOP in a cut and run from the Democrats over personal snits with then Democrat majority leader Malcolm Smith.
Espada fancies himself a kingmaker.
He’s just the king of clowns.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:44:47am |
re: #294 opnion
I saw that. A kid walking around with a shirt like that in an American city is one thing this is another.
Accompanying her father on an official trip , it seems inappropriate to me as a political statement.
I suspect he is just letting the eldest express what he truly wants to say; he wants to go beyond mere apologies to get straight to abject surrender.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:44:48am |
re: #297 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, little girl…would you like some CND?
there’s gotta be a song in there somewhere …
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:45:02am |
re: #107 midwestgak
“”Before Bush invaded, there was no al Qaeda in Iraq.” -BHO
In fact, there were at least two Al Qaeda cells in Iraq prior to the invasion. In addition, at an enclave in eastern Kurdistan the Ansar al-Islam terrorist group was active and strong. Ansar al-Islam would later join with Al Qaeda in Iraq. And there was more…
During the initial invasion of Iraq, the toughest fighting was with small units of Saddam Feddayen and foreign fighters. Following the firefights, US troops captured some 400 dead or wounded foreign fighters. They were all carrying the same official Iraqi border entry documents from one crossing on the Syrian border. On the form where it aksed, “Reason for entering Iraq, the one word answer was written in: “Jihad”. Estimates from military intelligence was that there were some 4000 of these foreign fighters in Iraq at the time of the invasion. This is documented in Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq
Now, the list is of organizations that can supply motivated Sunni Jihadis is a short one. The top of the list has got to be Al Qaeda.
So the fact is, Al Qaeda was indeed in Iraq, working with Saddam, before and during the initial invasion.
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:45:07am |
re: #296 subsailor68
While everyone is concentrating on the next media-queen’s funeral, we’ll pass it in the dead of night.
News Flash: Francisco Franco is still dead
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jvic Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:45:26am |
re: #270 HelloDare
Best news I’ve seen since the election.
The good news is that some bad news hasn’t happened (yet). That’s not really good news.
But I’ll take it.
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:45:31am |
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:45:38am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:15am |
re: #299 Dianna
Um…remember the Drug Czar? The Energy Czar?
Nope. We’ve had czars in the past. In Republican administrations.
And in prior Democratic ones as well. FDR and his administration may not have started with the phrasing, but they did popularize it immensely.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:23am |
re: #275 midwestgak
Even one year ago, no one would tolerate/accept the title of czar for any American held office. “King” is still anathama. But czar? Savior? How did we get here?
Now I remember. The November election.
“Czar” has been used in American politics for these special offices for a while now; it’s not an invention of the Obama Administration. Think “drug czar”.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:29am |
Nancy Pelosi says “Beat It” to House resolution on Michael Jackson
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi shut the door Thursday to a resolution honoring Michael Jackson because debate on the symbolic measure could raise “contrary views” about the pop star’s life.
Lawmakers are free to use House speeches “to express their sympathy or their praise any time that they wish,” said Pelosi, D-Calif. “I don’t think it’s necessary for us to have a resolution.”
A resolution sponsored by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, cites some of the singer’s charitable acts and proclaims him an American legend, musical icon and world humanitarian.
Even before Pelosi’s comments, some Democrats said privately they did not support the resolution and a divisive debate would hurt House efforts to muster the votes for priorities such as health care and climate change.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:30am |
re: #288 _RememberTonyC
for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, here it is
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
Maybe she thinks it’s the Mercedes Benz logo and she’s telling her parents she wants oe !
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:36am |
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:46:38am |
re: #303 FurryOldGuyJeans
I suspect he is just letting the eldest express what he truly wants to say; he wants to go beyond mere apologies to get straight to abject surrender.
some would call that “child abuse.” not physical abuse, but exploiting them in an inappropriate way. I am really offended by this …
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:47:17am |
re: #316 _RememberTonyC
some would call that “child abuse.” not physical abuse, but exploiting them in an inappropriate way. I am really offended by this …
I didn’t say I wasn’t; I am.
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:47:19am |
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:47:33am |
“0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!”0” is a disaster!
/now (luckily) I have to get back to work…………
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Conservative in Liberal Hands Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:47:35am |
Well… enough mental stimulation - I gotta get back to work BBL
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:47:49am |
re: #297 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, little girl…would you like some CND?
Were you ever in the CND, and are you a union man?
If you stood at the mine in the picket line
You may never work again, you might never work again.
- Andy Stewart and Manus Lunny.
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:48:02am |
re: #303 FurryOldGuyJeans
I suspect he is just letting the eldest express what he truly wants to say; he wants to go beyond mere apologies to get straight to abject surrender.
Probably & what could be better for the Leader of the Free World than to express pacifism at the summit?
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:48:35am |
re: #314 sattv4u2
Maybe she thinks it’s the Mercedes Benz logo and she’s telling her parents she wants oe !
it is and she does …. and she is earning it by being a human billboard for his fucked up politics …
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:48:53am |
re: #288 _RememberTonyC
for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, here it is
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:49:54am |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
but not all idiots are peaceniks
(personal experience!)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:50:08am |
re: #322 opnion
Probably & what could be better for the Leader of the Free World than to express pacifism at the summit?
Talk softly and carry a Big Stick, maybe? Our Man Obama’s strategy is akin to being a sheep ringing a dinner bell at a hungry coyote convention.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:50:08am |
So has anything been said about Obama’s illegal treaty with Russia yet? I thought Congress was supposed to ratify anything along those lines.
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:50:14am |
re: #201 OldLineTexan
T. Boone Pickens has a lot of turbines for sale due to technical issues.
Or poor planning./
Hmm hmm. As I said techincal issues could mean that he couldn’t raise the dough to do the project. Which is a shame, really, cause the article indicated that for a mere $13 billion that Wind Farm could generate enough electricity for one million homes! Not bad, eh? Only $13,000 per home!
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:50:51am |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
The scary part is that that is the way her parents think. And they are in charge of our defense.
Hunker down.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:13am |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
another lost, wasted child….we have sold out our future for pop sloganeering….AmIdol morons
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:14am |
re: #293 sattv4u2
To be fair, it’s been used before in American politics. To this day Bill Bennett still refers to his service as “Drug Czar” under George H W Bush
Okay, but did GWHB give him that title?
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:27am |
Gah, I hate unions. Our current union strife is probably not winning the suppor they need. Especially after this latest stunt.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:30am |
back in for an instant to say … BBL
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:45am |
re: #326 sattv4u2
but not all idiots are peaceniks
(personal experience!)
Oddly enough, people who believe that all armed forces should be disbanded are on a personal level some of the most combative people I’ve ever met when they are pushed or come up against something they dont like.
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KenJen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:51:46am |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
The shorts are too short for such a young girl.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:52:18am |
re: #328 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
So has anything been said about Obama’s illegal treaty with Russia yet? I thought Congress was supposed to ratify anything along those lines.
they prefer a BO blow job and a pat on the head
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:52:30am |
re: #288 _RememberTonyC
for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, here it is
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
She enjoys the peace that was bought and paid for by the blood of the US military
but she probably hasn’t been told that
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:52:46am |
re: #314 sattv4u2
Maybe she thinks it’s the Mercedes Benz logo and she’s telling her parents she wants oe !
Little hussy is sportin’ a pair or Ray-Ban Wayfarers, too. Shouldn’t 11 year olds be wearing Foster Grants?
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:53:21am |
re: #327 FurryOldGuyJeans
Talk softly and carry a Big Stick, maybe? Our Man Obama’s strategy is akin to being a sheep ringing a dinner bell at a hungry coyote convention.
I am so tired of him apologising for and denigrating our country.
At Cairo he apologised for colonialism in Muslim countries.
We never did it, so Obama must have upgraded himslef to apologise for the West in total.
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:54:03am |
Oh great:
Pelosi Says She Expects Democrats to Review Accusations That CIA Misled Congress
Pelosi: “You’re a veteran CIA operative, and I know you’ve been lying to me. Do you think I’m stupid?”
CIA: “No, maam.”
Pelosi: “Good! Hey! Wait a minute here!”
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Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:54:23am |
re: #313 Pianobuff
Nancy Pelosi says “Beat It” to House resolution on Michael Jackson
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi shut the door Thursday to a resolution honoring Michael Jackson because debate on the symbolic measure could raise “contrary views” about the pop star’s life.
Heh. Bit of an understatement, that. I heard a radio host refer to Tuesday’s memorial as Molester-palooza.
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:54:24am |
re: #338 Shug
Or… it’s the peace of mind of having superior firepower.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:54:48am |
re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oddly enough, people who believe that all armed forces should be disbanded are on a personal level some of the most combative people I’ve ever met when they are pushed or come up against something they dont like.
I’ve seen that, too. Strange, isn’t it?
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:55:04am |
re: #222 BlueCanuck
I never believed that they could go that fast. Can’t watch the video. Was it on a flat, or down a steep hill?
Actually, the video is an excellent graphical representation of the amount and rate of growth of our national debt. It really is worth watching, as it gives a very understandable explanation.
The Smart car reference isn’t from the video, it was in the comment.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:55:15am |
re: #332 midwestgak
Okay, but did GWHB give him that title?
I beleive so. I can’t imagine someone being named to a Presidential post and then changing the title on his own
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Pupdawg Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:55:18am |
Jobs! we don’t need no stinkin’ jobs! Or, is that ‘badges?’
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:55:29am |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Peaceniks are idiots. The kid has been raised in a fantasy world.
And she’s going to a Quaker school. They tend to be very leftwing anti-war, anti-nuke, etc. I went to a Quaker middle school in the 80s. They had so much anti-nuke indoctronation there I was convinced that I would be vaporized in a nuclear attack (this was the early 80s, tense cold war times, living outside of DC.)
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SummerSong Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:55:38am |
“What Happened to ‘Creating Jobs?’”
That was then, this is now…
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:56:06am |
re: #246 FurryOldGuyJeans
I’m not. Reality is a harsh mistress when ignored.
HEY! I was just trying to be nice to him!
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Shug Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:56:16am |
Michelle and Malia Obama sightseeing with James Brown impersonator
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:56:19am |
re: #351 SummerSong
“What Happened to ‘Creating Jobs?’”
That was then, this is now…
They’re creating them. They’re all just overseas.
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:56:25am |
re: #351 SummerSong
We don’t need any jobs. Everyone’s going to be on welfare…
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_RememberTonyC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:56:47am |
I think Malia is a charming and attractive kid. I have no desire to say a bad word about her. So I think Lizards who disagree with the exploitation of this youngster need to be careful not to level any criticism at the kid. She is blameless. If she wanted to wear that shirt, her parents needed to have the judgment to tell her “no.” Their behavior, not Malia’s is what is disturbing and wrong.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:57:05am |
re: #138 jcbunga
In Italy just now The One used “let me be cleaqr” again. I tell ya, that’s his codde for “you ain’t gonna believe THIS sh*t”.
“In the past the united States hasn’t always done its share. let me be clear, those days are over.”
This guy is becoming his own satirist.
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
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J.S. Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:57:27am |
re: #169 Dianna
The difference between a fairy tale and a sea story?
this reminds me of the introduction, “Yeki-bood; yeki-nabood”…(“There was one; there wasn’t one”)…From the hardcover edition (2008) introduction: “The Ayatollah begs to differ” by Hooman Majd. (Majd writes: “‘Yeki-bood; Yeki-nabood’ that’s how all Iranian stories, at least in the oral tradition have begun. ‘There was one; there wasn’t one.’ There was a person (once upon a time); but on the other hand, no, there was no one…”
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:57:46am |
re: #357 capitalist piglet
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
You can use my chest for that, dear piglet. ;)
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:58:23am |
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Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:58:37am |
re: #336 KenJen
The shorts are too short for such a young girl.
And who’s that gangbanger thug ……er….boy with her?
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dwells38 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:58:47am |
It was never about jobs. As Rahm said they merely wanted to use the short-term crisis to cram through massive social program spending and lib/dem payback. They cynically reasoned that the typical business cycle pattern would likely cause the economy to turn back around on it’s own and they could take the credit. If it didn’t turn around well then, now we see what plan B is. O’s gonna talk his way out.
I didn’t know what to expect from this guy and thought once in office he might govern more fairly and rationally. Instead I see a very cynical leftist who apparently really does want to see the demise of capitalism and free markets to be replaced with massive government control and redistribution of wealth and oppurtunity. Abroad he appears to have some admiration (certainly a high level of respect which he openly displays) for totalitarian governing.
Karl Rove pointed out this morning in the WSJ that O can’t be trusted with numbers and obviously at this point cannot be held at his word in any way. Rove: Obama Can’t Be Trusted With Numbers
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lostlakehiker Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:58:55am |
Makework jobs are stupid. If we’re going to have an energy department project to make America more energy-efficient, then the focus should be on making America more energy efficient. Nothing else. No secondary objectives.
The economy benefits in the long run from greater efficiency. If a business cannot make a go of it because their utility bills are eating their profits, it goes under and so do the jobs it provided. When regular folks pay too much of their income to heating and a/c, they have less left for other stuff. The jobs their remaining consumption would have supported disappear.
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:59:18am |
re: #357 capitalist piglet
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
It would actually be more efficient to pound a liberals head against the wall - figuratively speaking, of course.
/
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:59:29am |
re: #348 sattv4u2
I beleive so. I can’t imagine someone being named to a Presidential post and then changing the title on his own
I humbly submit that I was ignorant of the use of the title prior to the recent appointments with the “czar” title. How slowly bad ideas creep in unawares.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 10:59:42am |
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:00:24am |
re: #365 midwestgak
I humbly submit that I was ignorant of the use of the title prior to the recent appointments with the “czar” title. How slowly bad ideas creep in unawares.
Oh, there were czars in the Bush administration, just not so fricken many of ‘em.
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:00:29am |
re: #357 capitalist piglet
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
Light bulb mania!
Have you seen these? Might retain the presence of incandescent bulbs. Caveat though is they are going for 5 bucks a pop at this time.
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Gearhead Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:00:32am |
A department spokeswoman explained to Klein that although job creation no longer mattered in choosing which projects to fund, job creation still mattered in choosing which projects to fund. It “will be taken into account,” she said.
Ow. I think have a Charley horse in my head.
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:00:33am |
I spoke last night with a very good friend of mine who works for a national HR company. She just returned from Dallas where she’s spent the last three weeks enrolling 1,800 people who qualified for PBO’s summer work program.
The targeted group were 14 and 15 year old at risk youth. To qualify for the program teens had to have a record, live in a high risk home environment, pregnant or have a child.
Building a better tomorrow.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:00:51am |
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opnion Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:01:30am |
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:01:34am |
re: #249 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
ObamaCare© exclusions: SmartCar wrecks. ;)
Seriously, from what I’ve seen, everyone with a Smart Car drives like they’ve got a death wish.
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Russkilitlover Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:01:48am |
re: #361 Russkilitlover
And who’s that
gangbangerthug……er….boy with her?
Oops, wrong pic. The one I saw yesterday had her in that shirt, with even shorter shorts. Can’t remember where I saw it - thought it was the UK piece.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:06am |
re: #365 midwestgak
I humbly submit that I was ignorant of the use of the title prior to the recent appointments with the “czar” title. How slowly bad ideas creep in unawares.
Don’t get me wrong here. I’m merely saying it has been used before, by both parties. However, in all my years through all the administrations I’ve witnessed ( think Eisenhower forward) I have never seen it used as much and more disturbingly with so much power attached t9o the titles
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:18am |
re: #358 J.S.
this reminds me of the introduction, “Yeki-bood; yeki-nabood”…(“There was one; there wasn’t one”)…From the hardcover edition (2008) introduction: “The Ayatollah begs to differ” by Hooman Majd. (Majd writes: “‘Yeki-bood; Yeki-nabood’ that’s how all Iranian stories, at least in the oral tradition have begun. ‘There was one; there wasn’t one.’ There was a person (once upon a time); but on the other hand, no, there was no one…”
Hi JS! Interesting, but can’t resist a little poke at Hooman Majd:
Hmmm….hey Hooman, here’s how a real pro handles juxtaposition of opposites:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way — in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:32am |
The Obama administration aspires to restructure large parts of the United States economy. Because its efforts have been broken into separate initiatives with different justifications, few people other than news junkies have noticed how extraordinary Barack Obama’s agenda is. Perhaps a number will help: 39%. That is the aggregate percentage of United States GDP produced by the three industries that the Democrats hope to restructure from the top down: Health care (17% of GDP), energy (9.8% of GDP), automotive industry (4% of GDP) and financial services (8% of GDP). Think about that… the Obama administration wants to redesign 39% of gross domestic product from the center. And he proposes to do it all in a rush this summer.
What could possibly go wrong? I mean, it’s not like Obama lacks any previous managerial experience what-so-ever.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:35am |
BO supporters will endlessly debate the merits of Sarah Palin…or the awkward march of Paulian politics, neither of which amount to a hill of beans…when the topic turns to finance and the economy, or foreign policy they flitter around then disappear
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:52am |
White House Press Corps Spent the Fourth of July Hanging Out With Obama, Off the Record
Reporters from more than 30 television networks, newspapers, magazines, and web sites celebrated the Fourth of July with Barack Obama at the White House last weekend. Why didn’t you know that? Because they were sworn to secrecy.
We reported yesterday that Politico’s Mike Allen was spotted milling about as a guest at the White House’s “backyard bash” by the pool reporter, who was allowed into the even for 40 minutes and kept in a pen before being ushered out. When Allen quoted from the pool report in his Playbook column the next day, he deleted a reference to his own name and didn’t bother to tell his readers that he was actually at the party.
Well, he wasn’t alone. Gawker has learned that the White House gave tickets to virtually every major news organization that covers the president—the New York Times , Washington Post , Newsweek , Time , ABC News, NBC News, CNN, CBS News, and so on, more than 30 in all. The reporters were invited to attend on the following condition:
“You are being invited to attend this event as a guest. Blogging, Twittering or otherwise reporting on this event is not permitted. If you feel that you cannot agree to abide by these ground rules, please don’t claim a ticket.”
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:02:54am |
re: #278 subsailor68
Excellent news! Even if y’all don’t want to sell your house, you’ll be spending less on energy!
nb- I’m a fan of being environmentally friendly, as long as it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to accomplish.
That’s why I’m so much in favor of Nuclear Power - it’s clean, reliable and - for project costs (not including the cost of the inevitable lawsuits to block the construction/operations of ‘em) vs. value added, Nuke Plants ARE the “alternative energy” we’ve been looking for!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:03:13am |
re: #367 redstateredneck
Oh, there were czars in the Bush administration, just not so fricken many of ‘em.
Have to go back to another Democratic administration bent on subverting American Capitalism and the Rule of Law to find a comparable number of Czars, FDR’s. Carter certainly didn’t appoint that many, and Clinton was more interested in Interns than Czars.
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:03:20am |
re: #370 jorline
I spoke last night with a very good friend of mine who works for a national HR company. She just returned from Dallas where she’s spent the last three weeks enrolling 1,800 people who qualified for PBO’s summer work program.
The targeted group were 14 and 15 year old at risk youth. To qualify for the program teens had to have a record, live in a high risk home environment, pregnant or have a child.
Building a better tomorrow.
What are the counsellor qualifications? Same as the TSA requirements? I went through the YACC when I was much younger and they hired some really strange birds.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:03:53am |
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Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:04:04am |
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:04:08am |
re: #370 jorline
{jorline} Huh. Prove yourself to be a loser and then you qualify. Sad.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:04:17am |
re: #383 reloadingisnotahobby
IM A BOOBS GUY BUT THIS JUST SUCKS!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:04:32am |
re: #380 realwest
Excellent news! Even if y’all don’t want to sell your house, you’ll be spending less on energy!
nb- I’m a fan of being environmentally friendly, as long as it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to accomplish.
That’s why I’m so much in favor of Nuclear Power - it’s clean, reliable and - for project costs (not including the cost of the inevitable lawsuits to block the construction/operations of ‘em) vs. value added, Nuke Plants ARE the “alternative energy” we’ve been looking for!
Only the US doesn’t see the benefits of nuclear energy, the rest of the world does. Especially Socialist Europe.
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Dave the..... Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:04:40am |
Gov’t can’t “create” jobs. Defies laws of economics.
Socialist believe there is a finte economy. If my income goes from $50,000 to $100,000. That means someone or a group of people are no makeing $50,000 less. Of course they ignore the fact that I created $50,000 a new economic acitivity.
But, you can apply socialist dogma to gov’t. If the gov’t spends, say $1,000,000,000. that comes from taking away $1,000,000,000 from someone else, since the gov’t cannot create new ecnomic activity (outside of providing basic support for highways, national defense, reasonable food inspections, etc).
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:34am |
re: #387 FurryOldGuyJeans
Only the US doesn’t see the benefits of nuclear energy, the rest of the world does. Especially Socialist Europe.
American Greenies are still suffering from China Syndrome.
/
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:48am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
White House Press Corps Spent the Fourth of July Hanging Out With Obama, Off the Record
What a surprise…..I wonder if they fanned the Obama’s with big palm fronds massaged their feet and fed them peeled grapes too?
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:50am |
re: #297 buzzsawmonkey
Hey, little girl…would you like some CND?
Hey,hey, hey here buzz - you can’t say that about her, whaddya think her last name is Palin!
/
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Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:53am |
re: #249 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
ObamaCare© exclusions: SmartCar wrecks. ;)
Oh yeah, and Avanti was trying to pass off some linked articles about how sturdy the frame of the Smart Car is. Riiiiight! The frame may have stayed together in the tests, but I question the survivability of the people.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:05:54am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:06:06am |
re: #388 Dave the…..
Gov’t can’t “create” jobs. Defies laws of economics.
Socialist believe there is a finte economy. If my income goes from $50,000 to $100,000. That means someone or a group of people are no makeing $50,000 less. Of course they ignore the fact that I created $50,000 a new economic acitivity.
But, you can apply socialist dogma to gov’t. If the gov’t spends, say $1,000,000,000. that comes from taking away $1,000,000,000 from someone else, since the gov’t cannot create new ecnomic activity (outside of providing basic support for highways, national defense, reasonable food inspections, etc).
Government can and does create jobs, bureaucrats.
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BatGuano Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:06:36am |
re: #357 capitalist piglet
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
Instead of “Romans”, substitute “Americans”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:06:59am |
re: #389 Gus 802
American Greenies are still suffering from China Syndrome.
/
You know its time to start going nuclear when the founder of Greenpeace starts telling you to.
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doppelganglander Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:04am |
re: #370 jorline
I spoke last night with a very good friend of mine who works for a national HR company. She just returned from Dallas where she’s spent the last three weeks enrolling 1,800 people who qualified for PBO’s summer work program.
The targeted group were 14 and 15 year old at risk youth. To qualify for the program teens had to have a record, live in a high risk home environment, pregnant or have a child.
Building a better tomorrow.
My daughter has worked at the public library for almost a year. She got the job the old-fashioned way, by applying and interviewing. This summer they’ve got a bunch of kids being paid through one of those make-work programs. Guess who does the actual work?
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Gearhead Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:18am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
White House Press Corps Spent the Fourth of July Hanging Out With Obama, Off the Record
What’s next, junkets?
Journalism is dead.
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wintercat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:19am |
re: #276 buzzsawmonkey
It’s too bad the First Lady is admired more for her biception than her perception.
I take exception to the reception of her biception at the inception of her term. And the FLOTUS as a fashion plate is a perception and a deception that I spurn.
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CIA Reject Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:25am |
re: #389 Gus 802
American Greenies are still suffering from China Syndrome.
/
Something else for which we can “thank” Hanoi Jane Fonda!
/B*tch!
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:44am |
re: #396 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You know its time to start going nuclear when the founder of Greenpeace starts telling you to.
the courts are whores for the greenies…not gonna happen
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:45am |
New theory about Michael Jackson
As a source of humor, Al Sharpton is always reliable. A caller into his radio show speculates that Sarah Palin had Michael Jackson whacked, and the scandal was about to break, so that is why she resigned. The good reverend does nothing to question that speculation and says he will “put it out there.”
Of course, now it all makes sense!
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lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:07:46am |
re: #392 Son of the Black Dog
Actually, I’d be more concerned about driving around in a GM or Chrysler product, since the bankruptcies of those companies will leave plaintiffs in products liability suits against them with nothing but worthless debt notes. The new entities created by the government will escape liability on defects from the old versions of GM and Chrysler, and Chrysler appears to have gotten an even better deal than that.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:02am |
re: #384 Dianna
That was ugly, rsrn.
She’s a child, and shouldn’t be discussed that way.
I’m a southerner—-Little Hussy is a term of endearment down here, really!
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:16am |
re: #396 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You know its time to start going nuclear when the founder of Greenpeace starts telling you to.
Isn’t he a recovering Greenpeacer? Or recovered.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:29am |
re: #370 jorline
I spoke last night with a very good friend of mine who works for a national HR company. She just returned from Dallas where she’s spent the last three weeks enrolling 1,800 people who qualified for PBO’s summer work program.
The targeted group were 14 and 15 year old at risk youth. To qualify for the program teens had to have a record, live in a high risk home environment, pregnant or have a child.
Building a better tomorrow.
Civilian Defence Forces no doubt……….
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:08:45am |
re: #394 FurryOldGuyJeans
Government can and does create jobs, bureaucrats.
Jobs that make no money are an expense to the taxpayers. Government is a necessary evil for a society to have. But, that does not mean we need more of it! Obama could hire all of us and claim 100% employment….I seem to remember some countries doing that in the past……
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:05am |
(CNSNews.com) – Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) introduced a bill Monday that urges members of Congress who vote to create a government-run health insurance agency to give up their own comprehensive health insurance plans to join the new the public option they advocate for others.
The bill, H. Res. 615, says members of Congress who vote for a government-run health care bureau should become the inaugural customers of government-run health-care.
“That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that Members who vote in favor of the establishment of a public, federal government run health insurance option are urged to forgo their right to participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) and agree to enroll under that public option,” the resolution reads.
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dwells38 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:10am |
re: #380 realwest
The real crime about Cap and Trade is that it will merely be a tax. In order to pass it they had to waive so many democrats from their constituents having to comply that it wouldn’t reduce C02 emmissions in any case. It’s more pure punishment for those who didn’t want it for essentially no real reason other than political posturing.
Besides countries that signed onto the Kyoto treaty years ago when Bush declined never met their committments anyway. It’s weird how those who claim to be most urgent and convinced of anthropogenic global warming’s actions do not match their words. Which me to believe all these people are just cynical poseurs or brainless me-tooers.
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:25am |
re: #400 CIA Reject
Something else for which we can “thank” Hanoi Jane Fonda!
/B*tch!
Last time I saw Hanoi Jane on video was at some strange event. I think it was an anti-war protest. She was leaving and getting into some big old Mercedes Benz limo.
//What a surprise.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:38am |
re: #401 albusteve
the courts are whores for the greenies…not gonna happen
I’m just making sure I got a hockey mask, nitrous, crossbow bolts and am practicing my “Just walk away” speach daily.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:09:44am |
re: #377 Kenneth
What could possibly go wrong? I mean, it’s not like Obama lacks any previous managerial experience what-so-ever.
As I’ve pointed out here before, “0”s only executive experience was WITH William (domestic terrorist) Ayers, giving away over $100 million of other peoples money to failed Socialistic-Educational programs.
Your Country has been stolen right out from under your noses.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:10:16am |
re: #402 Kenneth
New theory about Michael Jackson
Of course, now it all makes sense!
Oh, the insanity!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:46am |
re: #415 scottishbuzzsaw
Oh, the insanity!
When the inmates run the asylum, the sane are the ones locked up.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:50am |
re: #382 Gus 802
What are the counsellor qualifications? Same as the TSA requirements? I went through the YACC when I was much younger and they hired some really strange birds.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:50am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
re: #398 Gearhead
Sorry , but there is nothing new here. “Journalists” have been invited ‘secretly’ to private events like this for many administrations over the years. There have always been favored and non-favored journalists. There have always been reporters who get close and those that barley get into the press room, let alone are allowed to ask a question
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:11:53am |
re: #405 Gus 802
Isn’t he a recovering Greenpeacer? Or recovered.
The other greenpeacers have cast him out when he began saying we could sensibly protect the environment without crippling our way of life and economy.
BLASPHEMER!
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:12:20am |
re: #402 Kenneth
New theory about Michael Jackson
Of course, now it all makes sense!
/Conspiracyploitation!
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:12:39am |
re: #410 NJDhockeyfan
I love it! Fleming has put everyone in Congress in check. If they oppose his resolution, it can legitimately be concluded that they are fine screwing the rest of us, so long as they don’t have to suffer too.
Gotta keep an eye on who supports and who opposes this resolution.
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eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:12:51am |
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:12:54am |
re: #382 Gus 802
What are the counsellor qualifications? Same as the TSA requirements? I went through the YACC when I was much younger and they hired some really strange birds.
I don’t know Gus other than the guidelines I posted.
She said during the group orientations that one of the federal employees joked about not using this green stuff (money) to buy other green stuff (pot).
This comment brought down the house and all left high on their new found jobs..
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J.S. Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:13:09am |
re: #376 subsailor68
Hi! (some readers of Majd believe he has lived for far too long outside of Iran — in his book some have noted that he tends to prop-up the Mullahs…) (might also note, that Majd continues the intro by saying, after “yeki-bood; yeki-nabood”…”often the saying continues with ‘Gheir az Khoda, heech-kee nabood’ or ‘Other than G-d, there was no One,’ a uniquely Persian obfuscation of the Muslim Arabic: ‘La’illa ha il’allah’ (there is no G-d but Allah)”…) (but, yeah, he’s not Dickens).
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:13:17am |
re: #414 IslandLibertarian
As I’ve pointed out here before, “0”s only executive experience was WITH William (domestic terrorist) Ayers, giving away over $100 million of other peoples money to failed Socialistic-Educational programs.
Your Country has been stolen right out from under your noses.
Yeah, whatever. I want to know who’s on American Idol, dammit………
-52%er
///
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:13:17am |
re: #379 NJDhockeyfan
White House Press Corps Spent the Fourth of July Hanging Out With Obama, Off the Record
Now that seems threadworthy to me! I’ve reported it to Charles in the hope that he will find it thread worthy too!
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:13:50am |
re: #417 midwestgak
Gotta wonder who would Photoshop something like that. No wait I know! Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
//Lots of syndromes with lefties.
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:14:03am |
re: #385 midwestgak
{jorline} Huh. Prove yourself to be a loser and then you qualify. Sad.
{gak}
I here ya girl…and you bust your butt for a job.
*sigh*
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:14:27am |
re: #426 realwest
Now that seems threadworthy to me! I’ve reported it to Charles in the hope that he will find it thread worthy too!
There’s no THERE there. Please see #418
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Jack Burton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:14:44am |
re: #413 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’m just making sure I got a hockey mask, nitrous, crossbow bolts and am practicing my “Just walk away” speach daily.
I’m looking for a place to build a town… where you Barter for things. It will have a dome too… a thunder dome.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:04am |
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:16am |
re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The other greenpeacers have cast him out when he began saying we could sensibly protect the environment without crippling our way of life and economy.
BLASPHEMER!
How can Greenpeacers “sensibly protect the environment” without their trust funds?
/
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jaunte Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:15:38am |
re: #410 NJDhockeyfan
The “federal program” Fleming referred to is the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, which is available to all federal government employees, including members of Congress and their staffs.
It is essentially a health insurance pool that offers hundreds of different private insurance plans that conform to limited rules. Because all federal agencies and both houses of Congress participate in the pool, the benefits are quite good, better than those offered under many private plans because health care costs do not affect the government’s bottom line.
It would be good if he added an amendment to shut this special program down completely if the larger plan is passed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:00am |
re: #20 MandyManners
Greenpeace is not happy with FCBBHO, either.
Check out the photograph.
Cripes. Someone is talking long and fast on the phone explaining how that happened.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:11am |
re: #433 Kenneth
But the American Idol watching public has already moved on to the new shiny thing distracting them.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:31am |
re: #430 ArchangelMichael
I’m looking for a place to build a town… where you Barter for things. It will have a dome too… a thunder dome.
Is that you, Aunty?
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realwest Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:34am |
Well y’all it’s been grand but I gotta go now. Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:16:35am |
re: #430 ArchangelMichael
I’m looking for a place to build a town… where you Barter for things. It will have a dome too… a thunder dome.
Come on now, can’t we just get beyond Thundedome?
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Gearhead Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:06am |
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BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:14am |
re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Come on now, can’t we just get beyond Thundedome?
We don’t need another hero….
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:17:51am |
re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist
Hell…Getting on Mount Rushmore is easy!
Didn’t you watch National Treasure II?
///
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:18:00am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:18:01am |
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:18:31am |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:18:39am |
re: #427 Gus 802
Gotta wonder who would Photoshop something like that. No wait I know! Cheney Derangement Syndrome.
//Lots of syndromes with lefties.
The Left has a professional protest class, so why not a professional photoshop class?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:05am |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:07am |
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:08am |
re: #443 buzzsawmonkey
I got stuck at Thunder Thighs, several miles back on the road.
You should have taken off the lager goggles the night before and you could have avoided all of that.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:33am |
How low do you have to be to be involved in this scam? I was going to eat some warm cheese and milk, but I’ve lost my appetite.
ALSIP, Ill. (AP) — Four cemetery workers have been charged with dismembering bodies after police found what they called “startling and revolting” conditions at a historic cemetery near Chicago.
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart says workers at the Burr Oak Cemetery in Alsip allegedly dug up more than 100 graves, dumped the bodies into unmarked mass graves and resold the plots to unsuspecting members of the public.
The three men and one woman were charged Thursday with one count each of dismembering a human body.
Burr Oak is the final resting place of many famous African-Americans, including lynching victim Emmett Till, blues singers Willie Dixon, Dinah Washington and Otis Spann, as well as Harlem Globetrotter Inman Jackson.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:19:42am |
re: #447 jorline
Kinda pudgy eeh?
…Easy targets……
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:13am |
re: #428 jorline
{gak}
I here ya girl…and you bust your butt for a job.
*sigh*
Good to see you! How’s business? People still eating at your place?
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:14am |
re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist
Cripes. Someone is talking long and fast on the phone explaining how that happened.
Any word on how these “activists” made there way to Sioux Falls? I can only imagine they got there by way of an airline.
Reading that makes me ill: politicians stop global warming. Right, politicians are going to “stop” global warming by doing what they do best: spending more energy to fix a perceived problem.
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:25am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:35am |
re: #449 buzzsawmonkey
It’s mourning in America.
I think our society has turned into a huge circus, and we’ve been mouring the world’s most famous clown.
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Jack Burton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:20:36am |
re: #438 scottishbuzzsaw
Is that you, Aunty?
If I was a little person I would probably be riding around on the back of a large Special Needs child.
EMBARGO ON!
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abolitionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:00am |
re: #283 aggieann
Water will be the cause of the world’s real strife over the next century or so, but few people realize it.
Water rights/supply was the background theme in Roman Polanski’s Chinatown. Another one I recall, from the perspective of the police investigators, with respect to Chinatown was First, do no harm —a policy about the ill-effects of heavy-handed interference in areas where you don’t have a clue. Thank you Mr Polanski.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:08am |
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JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:24am |
re: #453 Pianobuff
How low do you have to be to be involved in this scam? I was going to eat some warm cheese and milk, but I’ve lost my appetite.
ALSIP, Ill. (AP) — Four cemetery workers have been charged with dismembering bodies after police found what they called “startling and revolting” conditions at a historic cemetery near Chicago.
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart says workers at the Burr Oak Cemetery in Alsip allegedly dug up more than 100 graves, dumped the bodies into unmarked mass graves and resold the plots to unsuspecting members of the public.
The three men and one woman were charged Thursday with one count each of dismembering a human body.
Burr Oak is the final resting place of many famous African-Americans, including lynching victim Emmett Till, blues singers Willie Dixon, Dinah Washington and Otis Spann, as well as Harlem Globetrotter Inman Jackson.
Just part of ACORN’s new get the voters out program.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:21:39am |
re: #460 ArchangelMichael
If I was a little person I would probably be riding around on the back of a large Special Needs child.
EMBARGO ON!
Yeah, but I’ve got a whistle…
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:22:56am |
All right! Guys, forget about the Smart Car. This, I tell ya, is the car of the future, and Jeremy Clarkson (6’5”) demos it for us:
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jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:22:58am |
re: #388 Dave the…..
Gov’t can’t “create” jobs. Defies laws of economics.
Socialist believe there is a finte economy. If my income goes from $50,000 to $100,000. That means someone or a group of people are no makeing $50,000 less. Of course they ignore the fact that I created $50,000 a new economic acitivity.
But, you can apply socialist dogma to gov’t. If the gov’t spends, say $1,000,000,000. that comes from taking away $1,000,000,000 from someone else, since the gov’t cannot create new ecnomic activity (outside of providing basic support for highways, national defense, reasonable food inspections, etc).
Off to Joy Camp with you! With that kind of economic theory, it makes spreading the wealth around a bunch of nonsense!
How dare you defy the economic theories of The One?
/;-P
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:23:11am |
OT - (although is appears we are OT anyway).
I just went to the store, and driving back in, I noticed that we have workers on the top of my apartment buildings, doing roof repair.
It’s a three story building and they have set up a perimeter of plastic flags on a string, around the edge of the roof.
Ok, these guys are roofers, right? And these guys work on roofs, right? And if you worked on roofs, what would be the first thing that you would notice, that you would pay attention to?
WHERE THE EDGE OF THE FUCKING ROOF IS!
I’ve never seen this before, and I suspect because it’s not something that a roofing company had to worry about in the past.
But now, I suspect it’s part of some 1500 page rule book composed by the unions and the insurance companies.
What happened to the old-fashioned axiom “don’t fall off the roof?” My grandfather told that to me all the time.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:23:12am |
re: #462 redstateredneck
I’m serious. Ask reine.
A friend in highschool had the last name of Hussey. She developed an excellent sense of humor.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:23:38am |
re: #123 FurryOldGuyJeans
I see MANY articles of how fashionable WAB is, and how she is the new trend setter in all things.
*vomit*
I’m too short to dress like Michelle.
I like Nancy Pelosi’s suits. And I yearn for that orange pantsuit Hillary had for the convention.
But basically, I am a Claire McCaskill type, fashion-wise…
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:23:39am |
It strikes me that the left thrives on uncovering hypocrisy on the right and ridiculing it. The primary instrument they use for executing this is the media. In my fantasy world I would love to see this weapon being turned on the media itself. Dig up dirt on these self appointed, self righteous arbiters of other people’s purity.
Any skeleton’s in your closet Katie? Hmmmmm? How ‘bout you Chuck Gibson? Georgie Stephanopoulous?………
Ugly and unpalatable you say. Yes. But the only thing uglier and less palatable is the one sided application of that very same tactic exclusively against conservatives/republicans. Hitting back might bring some people to their senses and put an end to this bullshit.
Like I said - a fantasy.
| 476 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:08am |
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:24am |
re: #467 MandyManners
Did the inhabitants of those graves vote twice while dead?
And they voted early, as well.
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midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:24:56am |
re: #440 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Come on now, can’t we just get beyond Thundedome?
Tropic Thunder gets beyond it./
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Jack Burton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:25:54am |
re: #451 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Waaaaaaaalker…Waaaaaaaalker…
They used to have tomorrow-morrow land and highscrapers. They were called cities. They had the knowing of a lot of things.
But then this Obama-poky-clips happened and all of that is gone.
| 480 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:27am |
Winston reports on 18 Tir Protests
I talked to a few friends inside of Iran tonight. Every one seemed ready/edgy for something to happen today in Tehran and other major cities. The protests may take place around 4 pm (7:30pm ET) in major intersections and squares of Tehran. It may not be as big as what we saw in the past 2-3 weeks but any protest against this regime is better than nothing at all. It keeps Iran in the news headlines and that’s what Mullahs hate. The external coverage of the ongoing unrest against the regime is essential to boost the confidence of those brave people who go out on the streets and confront the thugs.
| 481 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:34am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
Why, because they keep exposing you and your leftist friends and their agenda?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:48am |
re: #160 MandyManners
Jackie she ain’t.
This is America. I look to the First Lady to smile nicely at events and support good causes. I don’t need her to be a fashion icon.
| 483 |
truth stick Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:26:58am |
Jobs smobs It’s Obamanomics, it uses a floating matrix with a complex algore-rythem, to completely confuse and abscure the reality that it is trying to define.
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Pianobuff Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:27:13am |
re: #473 LGoPs
It strikes me that the left thrives on uncovering hypocrisy on the right and ridiculing it. The primary instrument they use for executing this is the media. In my fantasy world I would love to see this weapon being turned on the media itself. Dig up dirt on these self appointed, self righteous arbiters of other people’s purity.
Any skeleton’s in your closet Katie? Hmmmmm? How ‘bout you Chuck Gibson? Georgie Stephanopoulous?………
Ugly and unpalatable you say. Yes. But the only thing uglier and less palatable is the one sided application of that very same tactic exclusively against conservatives/republicans. Hitting back might bring some people to their senses and put an end to this bullshit.
Like I said - a fantasy.
Bill Moyers took some hits for skeletons in his closet not too long ago. Problem is the media didn’t really report it, so there ya’ go.
Just cause the dirt is unearthed doesn’t mean it will make it out to the public in any meaningful way (at least now).
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:27:18am |
re: #456 midwestgak
Good to see you! How’s business? People still eating at your place?
Mostly up, but so are cost. New minimum wage kicks in on the 25th. Lunch business has completely changed. We use to be busy from 11-2 with lunch, now it’s a pop from 12-1. Family business at night has picked up to offset the lunches.
I told RW the other day that I need more locations to be able to survive, but no one is lending money at this time. The direction the economy is heading I don’t know if I want to go further in debt. I may have to go back into the corporate world.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:27:37am |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
OT - (although is appears we are OT anyway).
I just went to the store, and driving back in, I noticed that we have workers on the top of my apartment buildings, doing roof repair.
It’s a three story building and they have set up a perimeter of plastic flags on a string, around the edge of the roof.
Ok, these guys are roofers, right? And these guys work on roofs, right? And if you worked on roofs, what would be the first thing that you would notice, that you would pay attention to?
WHERE THE EDGE OF THE FUCKING ROOF IS!
I’ve never seen this before, and I suspect because it’s not something that a roofing company had to worry about in the past.
But now, I suspect it’s part of some 1500 page rule book composed by the unions and the insurance companies.
What happened to the old-fashioned axiom “don’t fall off the roof?” My grandfather told that to me all the time.
In my brazen, callow and reckless youth, I did hot-tar industrial [BUR] roofing. We never needed any flags or cones as we could see that the edge of the roof was like a horizon — the edge presented itself as a clearly delineated outline.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:27:38am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
It wouldn’t surprise me if O went for the airlines. He is out of control.
| 488 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:28:28am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
You can always revert to the Huffington Post.
/s
| 489 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:28:30am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
Sorry, but did you read the piece? It’s well crafted, factual and although it does throw a dig or two (or three) at the adminsitration it’s not New York Times-ish ranting!
| 491 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:28:53am |
re: #471 scottishbuzzsaw
A friend in highschool had the last name of Hussey. She developed an excellent sense of humor.
Does she live in DC by any chance? The assistant director of the department I work for has that last name. And she has a great sense of humor and attitude.
| 492 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:05am |
re: #481 Walter L. Newton
Maybe it’s that desire to surpress Free Speech? lol
/
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:06am |
re: #471 scottishbuzzsaw
A friend in highschool had the last name of Hussey. She developed an excellent sense of humor.
Was this your classmate? Va-va-voom!
| 494 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:29am |
I was just out running errands and I noticed ACORN opened an occide near my home. They had signs in the window about free tax preperation, housing assistance, etc. I thought about going in to talk to them but couldn’t think of anything interesting to ask them. Maybe I should go in and apply for a job.
| 495 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:36am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
*sigh* trying again are we? Tell me again? Who did you vote for in the past election? The one before that?
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debutaunt Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:49am |
re: #30 Dianna
“If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it’s free!” P.J. O’Rourke.
“You canna afford it.”
- Chico Marx
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:29:50am |
re: #265 wintercat
I always felt sympathetic towards Hillary for the lambasting she received over her wardrobe. She was attempting to distract from her pear shape and less than desireable ankles with the pant suits. So, I would never laugh at her for that.
Now, her voice when she tried to project…that was super bad.
I can’t imagine campaigning wearing pantyhose all the time. The pantsuits were great.
| 500 |
jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:05am |
Why does PBO hate American Small Business so much?
We’re wilting on the vine with more tax increases to come.
| 501 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:11am |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
Awhile ago I read a news story about a mural artist who had stepped back to admire his just finished work… on a water tower.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:14am |
re: #481 Walter L. Newton
Why, because they keep exposing you and your leftist friends and their agenda?
And we stop for a short explanation of my response above. Killgore posted a comment and a link that said.
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
And since he editorialized about the Wall Street Journal by saying “The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days,” I decided to give my opinion on why the Wall street Journal is publishing this sort of article.
And notice, I was not “squabbling” with Killgore, my comment was a response to a message on a public blog, which falls with in the basic concept of this sort of online environment.
| 503 |
Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:37am |
re: #382 Gus 802
What are the counsellor qualifications? Same as the TSA requirements? I went through the YACC when I was much younger and they hired some really strange birds.
I’m reminded of something I heard years ago, “If someone says they want to work with youth, WATCH THAT PERSON VERY CAREFULLY!”.
| 504 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:49am |
re: #487 NJDhockeyfan
Well, he and his fellow Democrats are looking to eliminate speculation on oil prices, which is one of the ways the airlines try to hedge against rising energy prices. That’s going to hurt the airlines’ bottom line.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:53am |
re: #489 sattv4u2
It’s nonsense based on nothing but ODS and imagination.
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:54am |
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:31:54am |
re: #491 Mad Al-Jaffee
Does she live in DC by any chance? The assistant director of the department I work for has that last name. And she has a great sense of humor and attitude.
Not a clue. Haven’t talked since HS, more than *mumble* years ago…
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J.S. Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:04am |
re: #494 Killgore Trout
or you could ask for an interview — do a photo-shoot and write-up, then upload to CNN’s I-report? or freelance to your local paper?
| 509 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:16am |
re: #494 Killgore Trout
I was just out running errands and I noticed ACORN opened an occide near my home. They had signs in the window about free tax preperation, housing assistance, etc. I thought about going in to talk to them but couldn’t think of anything interesting to ask them. Maybe I should go in and apply for a job.
“How’s the vote fraud business these days?”
| 510 |
jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:34am |
| 511 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:35am |
Iran Uprising Blogging (Thursday July 9)
several new videos of protests and basiji violence posted
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:32:52am |
re: #495 BlueCanuck
*sigh* trying again are we? Tell me again? Who did you vote for in the past election? The one before that?
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
| 513 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:21am |
re: #476 Killgore Trout
Oh, Noes! Socialism in the skies!
Does Obama Want to Own the Airlines?
The Wall Street Journal op-eds are garbage these days.
read it yesterday…I see nothing wrong with it…point out what you disagree with
| 514 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:31am |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
It’s nonsense based on nothing but ODS and imagination.
Did you cut and paste that response from from the months prior to the gov’t taking over GM?
| 515 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:37am |
re: #500 jorline
Why does PBO hate American Small Business so much?
We’re wilting on the vine with more tax increases to come.
‘Cause you are independent, that can’t be tolerated.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:33:37am |
re: #511 Kenneth
Thanks for posting that.
| 517 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:13am |
re: #505 Killgore Trout
It’s nonsense based on nothing but ODS and imagination.
Tell that to Government Motors…….
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:25am |
re: #510 jorline
I needed the hugs from you and gak…thanks!
You’re very welcome, and I hope things improve for you.
| 519 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:34:27am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
That says it all folks.
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:04am |
Somebody has to administer the funds!
What is Blogoyovich (sp) going to do when his sentence is up?
/
| 522 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:25am |
re: #519 Kenneth
That says it all folks.
Hitchens went on another bender and wrote nice things about Obama and bad things about Palin.
//
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:27am |
re: #515 jcm
‘Cause you are independent, that can’t be tolerated.
Sad, but true jcm.
They’re beating me into submission. Spare a dime for a cup of coffee?
/
| 524 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:29am |
re: #507 scottishbuzzsaw
Did her name start with a J? If so, I might know her.
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WinterCat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:36am |
re: #494 Killgore Trout
I was just out running errands and I noticed ACORN opened an occide near my home. They had signs in the window about free tax preperation, housing assistance, etc. I thought about going in to talk to them but couldn’t think of anything interesting to ask them. Maybe I should go in and apply for a job.
At least two new “Community Outreach Centers” have been built in my area in the last few months. New construction rather than taking over an existing building (and there are lots around). I wonder why they are suddenly springing up now?
| 526 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:50am |
re: #521 Eowyn2
Somebody has to administer the funds!
What is Blogoyovich (sp) going to do when his sentence is up?/
Hair model?
| 527 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:50am |
Ayatollah Mousavi Tabrizi, an Attorney General in the Khomeini era, declares :
- Janati’s remarks at Friday sermon are against religious and Iranian law
- announcing that “confessions” are being “taken” is a serious breach of law
- not allowing peaceful protests is unconstitutional
- keeping prisoners without warrants after 24 hours is illegalHe warns all judges that any such warrants would be criminal, baseless, and directly conflict “Leader’s Differentiation of Friends & Foes” declarations. He also announces that “Confrontation” or “dispersement” of peaceful gatherings and demonstrations is a direct violation of constitutional rights, “No matter who orders it.”
| 528 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:35:53am |
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:36:09am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
and, you would vote him now….because?
| 531 |
capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:36:21am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
This would seem to indicate that you like the way things are going. Is that the case?
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:37:15am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
why didn’t you?…just curious
| 535 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:37:19am |
re: #525 WinterCat
This wasn’t new construction, they took over existing strip mall space.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:37:44am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
Bush in 2004. No vote in 2008 but if I had it to do over again I;d vote for Obama.
And next, the farm news.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:37:49am |
re: #532 Mad Al-Jaffee
Okay, different woman.
I think most women with that last name would need to laugh…a lot. ;>)
| 538 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:38:18am |
re: #525 WinterCat
At least two new “Community Outreach Centers” have been built in my area in the last few months. New construction rather than taking over an existing building (and there are lots around). I wonder why they are suddenly springing up now?
Block Captain headquarters.
| 539 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:38:19am |
how many times can the government kill michael jackson to take our attention off the economy i wonder
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Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:38:37am |
re: #470 Walter L. Newton
OT - (although is appears we are OT anyway).
I just went to the store, and driving back in, I noticed that we have workers on the top of my apartment buildings, doing roof repair.
It’s a three story building and they have set up a perimeter of plastic flags on a string, around the edge of the roof.
Ok, these guys are roofers, right? And these guys work on roofs, right? And if you worked on roofs, what would be the first thing that you would notice, that you would pay attention to?
WHERE THE EDGE OF THE FUCKING ROOF IS!
OSHA regs. because, you know, flags on a string will STOP any roofers who start sliding down the roof:)
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:38:53am |
re: #536 Walter L. Newton
And next, the farm news.
Irrigation requirements for corn crops have been revised for the 3rd week of July by the Department of Agriculture.
In other farm news John Deere introduces…
//
| 542 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:10am |
re: #540 Eowyn2
OSHA regs. because, you know, flags on a string will STOP any roofers who start sliding down the roof:)
This is a FLAT roof no less.
| 543 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:41am |
re: #538 Walter L. Newton
Block Captain headquarters.
the intrusion is utterly sickening…people are fucking crazy to promote this stuff…soft communism
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:42am |
re: #530 buzzsawmonkey
How the hell do all of the forms of cross-country transport manage to consistently keep themselves in the red?
Do you have any idea what the overhead is for lets say one flight, New York to LA?
fuel
ground crews
flight crews
airport fees
maintenance
advertising
just to name a few
| 545 |
VioletTiger Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:39:47am |
re: #181 subsailor68
Yep. ‘Let me be clear” always makes me want to say, “Oh please don’t. I much prefer incoherent drivel.”
It also bugs me when I see politicians use “What a great question” in interviews. To me that translates to “Crap. Why’d he ask me that? I don’t have a clue as to how to answer.”
You are actually spot on. As one who has had lots of media training, this is what they tell you to do when you need to think up an answer.
| 546 |
AZDave Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:40:34am |
What Happened to ‘Creating Jobs?’
The Unemployment Office has openings…
| 547 |
AuntAcid Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:40:40am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:40:48am |
re: #486 Gang of One
In my brazen, callow and reckless youth, I did hot-tar industrial [BUR] roofing. We never needed any flags or cones as we could see that the edge of the roof was like a horizon — the edge presented itself as a clearly delineated outline.
OSHA paid our little comunity a visit a month or two ago!
A contractor was fined 60 thou… for an employee roofing with out a harness!
Ouch!
5000 each..for extension cords with a missing ground post
……………
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:40:53am |
re: #534 albusteve
why didn’t you?…just curious
I think it had something to do with Cheetos, The Cartoon Channel, and a flat tire on the ten-speed.
(Just kidding…I think.)
| 551 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:22am |
British diplomat forced to quit after he is filmed having sex with two Russian prostitutes
Ah the Brits, at least they still know how to have a tawdry political scandal.
| 552 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:22am |
re: #530 buzzsawmonkey
I find it interesting that the airlines, despite reducing their service to steerage conditions, are constantly teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
Intercity bus service has practically vanished.
Amtrak does not pay for itself.
Yet people still need, constantly, to travel with relative rapidity from city to city, and find driving too expensive and inconvenient.
How the hell do all of the forms of cross-country transport manage to consistently keep themselves in the red?
Look to Southwest Airlines….they keep labor costs lower than their competitors. They also do other interesting things. They offer low rates and good service. They only fly one type of aircraft, - Boeing 737. Their mechanics need to only learn one jet. They cross train their workers, instill a positive attitude. They avoid cities and airports that charge huge gate fees. They target regional travel rather than global travel. They do not over leverage themselves and “hope for the best” like most of the other carriers these days.
I am in the air freight business and Southwest is the best airline to deal with for domestic freight, hands down.
| 553 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:23am |
re: #543 albusteve
the intrusion is utterly sickening…people are fucking crazy to promote this stuff…soft communism
What was your first clue?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:36am |
re: #529 Desert Dog
and, you would vote him now….because?
Because we aren’t really seeing anything different that what McCain would be doing. There really isn’t an option besides bailouts (at least the banks) and stimulus. I’ll give Obama a C+ on his handling of the crisis. McCains age combined with Palin’s unfitness for public office still makes the GOP ticket far too risky.
| 555 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:41:47am |
re: #494 Killgore Trout
I was just out running errands and I noticed ACORN opened an occide near my home. They had signs in the window about free tax preperation, housing assistance, etc. I thought about going in to talk to them but couldn’t think of anything interesting to ask them. Maybe I should go in and apply for a job.
Wear your grungiest clothes then walk in and say
“I’m tired of making house payments, how do I get into that govment program like that lady on the news, you know, I wont have to pay my car payment, house payment, or nothing.”
| 556 |
eschew_obfuscation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:42:11am |
re: #530 buzzsawmonkey
I find it interesting that the airlines, despite reducing their service to steerage conditions, are constantly teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
Intercity bus service has practically vanished.
Amtrak does not pay for itself.
Yet people still need, constantly, to travel with relative rapidity from city to city, and find driving too expensive and inconvenient.
How the hell do all of the forms of cross-country transport manage to consistently keep themselves in the red?
Could there be regulation that forces them to serve unprofitable routes? (small cities and the like)
| 557 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:42:43am |
re: #17 Macker
Dang! Charles is up and at ‘em today!
An upding for your new avatar.
So where can I check out this “Gorn” movie?
| 558 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:42:49am |
re: #540 Eowyn2
OSHA regs. because, you know, flags on a string will STOP any roofers who start sliding down the roof:)
| 560 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:16am |
| 561 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:21am |
re: #544 sattv4u2
How the hell do all of the forms of cross-country transport manage to consistently keep themselves in the red?
Do you have any idea what the overhead is for lets say one flight, New York to LA?
fuel
ground crews
flight crews
airport fees
maintenance
advertisingjust to name a few
Airplane…
| 562 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:25am |
re: #485 jorline
Oh no. I know how those in power treated you. How you hated their use of power.
Sadly though, some of us are ahead of you regarding desperate measures. I won’t go into my recent journey to ensure a place to live if there is no more “income.”
I will say that I got a letter from a friend I hadn’t heard from in five years. She didn’t know I was jobless. When she did learn it, she said “Oh no.” Haven’t heard from her since. Many sense a cloud of financial collapse is coming and are trying to cling to anything that still floats.
| 563 |
Ward Cleaver Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:26am |
re: #540 Eowyn2
OSHA regs. because, you know, flags on a string will STOP any roofers who start sliding down the roof:)
By garroting them?
| 564 |
J.S. Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:28am |
re: #551 Kenneth
but, were the prostutes male or female? (isn’t it only a scandal in Britain if the latter?)…
/
| 565 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:43:37am |
re: #534 albusteve
Because Obama ran a far left campaign and his lack of experience was/is a serious concern. His position on immediate and reckless withdrawal from Iraq really caused me to doubt his ability to lead as a wartime president.
| 566 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:10am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
So you are saying that “Clueless” Joe Biden is fit? Obama is experienced? I want what you are drinking/smoking. It has to be better then my stuff.
| 567 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:28am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
I’ll give Obama a C+ on his handling of the crisis. McCains age combined with Palin’s unfitness for public office still makes the GOP ticket far too risky.
that is laughable…ever hear of tax cuts?…chapter 11?…your persistant arguments are full of speculation and a determined will to discount history
| 568 |
KingKenrod Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:57am |
From the information I’ve heard about at my work, the unemployment by the end of the year could improve substantially. It could get below 8%.
The problem with attacking Obama too severely now is that if the job picture improves, it will be quite a political coup for him - perhaps enough to help him get more onerous legislation through. The problem isn’t the short term job picture - there’s no way you can borrow and dump billions of dollars on the economy and not create jobs. The problem is long term stagnation and inflation from all the borrowing and central planning.
| 569 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:44:57am |
| 572 |
jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:45:34am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
Because Obama ran a far left campaign and his lack of experience was/is a serious concern. His position on immediate and reckless withdrawal from Iraq really caused me to doubt his ability to lead as a wartime president.
And his current repeating of economic history and drive to socialism doesn’t bother you?
| 573 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:45:48am |
re: #565 Killgore Trout
Because Obama ran a far left campaign and his lack of experience was/is a serious concern. His position on immediate and reckless withdrawal from Iraq really caused me to doubt his ability to lead as a wartime president.
SO , you couldn’t vote for McCain /Palin because the #2 person had no experience, but you would TODAY vote for Obama (#1) even THOUGH he lacks experience!
OOOOOOOkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy!
| 574 |
hazzyday Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:45:53am |
18 Million to re design recovery.gov Apparently the first go was a failure.
| 575 |
itellu3times Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:05am |
re: #261 albusteve
water is the next crisis we will face….oh look, a squirrel!
oh good, with MJ gone, I wuz getting bored.
| 576 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:18am |
re: #566 BlueCanuck
Biden’s a dope but he can serve in the office he’s elected to without quitting. If Obama was elderly like McCain his VP would be a larger factor.
| 577 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:32am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Because we aren’t really seeing anything different that what McCain would be doing. There really isn’t an option besides bailouts (at least the banks) and stimulus. I’ll give Obama a C+ on his handling of the crisis. McCains age combined with Palin’s unfitness for public office still makes the GOP ticket far too risky.
I think that is just plain wrong. Are you serious? McCain would have pushed this Cap and Trade crap, now? He would have done what Obama has done? that is simply not true. Last I check McCain disliked pork spending and that is ALL Obama has done since taking over. McCain is hardly a conservative, but he probably knows you have to make business run better to get more jobs. That fact seems lost to Obama and his crew of merry men.
Obama is heading for a fall…..the cliff is near and he is picking up speed.
| 578 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:39am |
re: #568 KingKenrod
One problem with the current job losses is that we are losing them in a season which usually has a declining unemployment. If we are losing them now, what’s going to happen in the fall/winter?
| 579 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:42am |
| 580 |
soxfan4life Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:46:44am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Because we aren’t really seeing anything different that what McCain would be doing. There really isn’t an option besides bailouts (at least the banks) and stimulus. I’ll give Obama a C+ on his handling of the crisis. McCains age combined with Palin’s unfitness for public office still makes the GOP ticket far too risky.
I’d be willing to bet that if the government had stopped at TARP the banks would be in the same shape they are now, and private investors would not be as skiddish as they are now. Given the treatment of bond holders by GM and Chrysler would you be rushing out to dump money in a business that the government could deem too big to fail and pretty much take over giving your money to the unions and giving you cents on the dollar? The recovery is awaiting cap and trade and health care reform, once those get ramrodded through 9.5% unemploynebt levels will look pretty good.
| 581 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:04am |
re: #574 hazzyday
18 Million to re design recovery.gov Apparently the first go was a failure.
Gasp! 18 million? One-eight…
Million?
To re-design a website?
| 582 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:09am |
re: #471 scottishbuzzsaw
A friend in highschool had the last name of Hussey. She developed an excellent sense of humor.
Not Olivia?
| 583 |
JohnnyReb Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:29am |
re: #530 buzzsawmonkey
I find it interesting that the airlines, despite reducing their service to steerage conditions, are constantly teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
Intercity bus service has practically vanished.
Amtrak does not pay for itself.
Yet people still need, constantly, to travel with relative rapidity from city to city, and find driving too expensive and inconvenient.
How the hell do all of the forms of cross-country transport manage to consistently keep themselves in the red?
Cross country rail would work if congress would quit meddling with AMTRAK. They could actually make money if they were allowed to abandon old non profitable lines and add new ones without having to use prevailing wage workers.
| 584 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:32am |
re: #570 buzzsawmonkey
Fine. So the airlines can’t afford to provide what they’re providing, at the price they charge.
The trains can’t afford to; the buslines can’t afford to.
So nobody can afford to move people from one city to another at an affordable price?
Nobody?
I understand that the background costs of flight are expensive—though you’d think that in 90 years of commercial aviation the airlines would have figured out how to do it.
But the fact that not a single form of inter-city transport can figure out how to do it at a profit, when all three of the forms I mentioned formerly managed to flourish when there were fewer people traveling routinely and people made less money is something I find baffling.
My guess is unions and the crippling costs they impose……..similar to the way they’ve brought the automakers to their knees.
Not sure if Southwest is unionized.
| 585 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:47:56am |
re: #572 jcm
And his current repeating of economic history and drive to socialism doesn’t bother you?
Heh, no. I don’t that the claims that Obama’s turning us into a socialist economy seriously.
| 586 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:48:43am |
re: #576 Killgore Trout
Your logic is making my head hurt. I don’t think it’s supposed to twist that way.
| 587 |
scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:48:46am |
| 588 |
SpaceJesus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:48:48am |
| 589 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:48:52am |
re: #576 Killgore Trout
Biden’s a dope but he can serve in the office he’s elected to without quitting. If Obama was elderly like McCain his VP would be a larger factor.
McCain is not president, so we don’t have to worry about him dying while in the White House, Palin is not the countries VP and her quitting now has nothing to do with anything, since neither of them are sitting in the White House.
Why don’t you make a point that has something to do with reality?
| 591 |
midwestgak Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:20am |
re: #523 jorline
Sad, but true jcm.
They’re beating me into submission. Spare a dime for a cup of coffee?
/
I have a $1 coupon for Eight O’Clock Coffee that doesn’t expire until 1/31/10. Will that help?/
| 592 |
soxfan4life Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:21am |
re: #581 Gus 802
Gasp! 18 million? One-eight…
Million?
To re-design a website?
Union web designers do not come cheap.
| 593 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:22am |
re: #576 Killgore Trout
Biden’s a dope but he can serve in the office he’s elected to without quitting. If Obama was elderly like McCain his VP would be a larger factor.
A. McCain/Palin lost.
B. Obama/Biden won.
C. Obama’s a failure.
D. Biden is a crackpot.
| 594 |
WinterCat Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:24am |
re: #554 Killgore Trout
Because we aren’t really seeing anything different that what McCain would be doing. There really isn’t an option besides bailouts (at least the banks) and stimulus. I’ll give Obama a C+ on his handling of the crisis. McCains age combined with Palin’s unfitness for public office still makes the GOP ticket far too risky.
That’s true, Palin might not have been able to unclench Iran’s fists, or she might not have stood up to N Korea when they fired test missiles, or she might have cozied up to Chavez and Castro or run around the planet apologizing for America for 6 months after her election, worst of all, she might have driven us into Trillions of dollars of debt that we can never repay. Whew, you are right. We sure dodged that bullet.
| 595 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:49:33am |
re: #580 soxfan4life
I think the auto bailouts were probably a waste of time. At best it just postponed their inevitable failure.
| 596 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:32am |
re: #592 soxfan4life
Union web designers do not come cheap.
Yeah, they probably threw in a lot of extras. New building and some golf carts. /
| 597 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:33am |
re: #583 JohnnyReb
Outside of the Washington-Baltimore-Philly-NYC-Providence-Boston Northeast Corridor, Amtrak owns very few of the lines it operates over. They typically operate over the lines of class one frieght-haulers who’s bread and butter is intermodal, coal, grain or petrolium being shipped in staggering quantities.
| 598 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:35am |
re: #564 J.S.
but, were the prostutes male or female? (isn’t it only a scandal in Britain if the latter?)…
/
Yes, the former is comme il faut for the Foreign Office.
| 599 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:40am |
re: #570 buzzsawmonkey
There have been many airlines that DO make money over time. Sometimes they are in the red, most times in the black. Most are still trying to recover from the post 9/11 fears of flying. They went for a few years with many flights close to empty. They still had the same overhead costs, but little to no real revenue
| 600 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:50:45am |
re: #579 SpaceJesus
jacko hat für deinen hypothek sünden gestirbt
Herr Jackson könnte singen, aber er war eine Schiesskopf
| 602 |
John Neverbend Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:15am |
re: #600 Desert Dog
Herr Jackson könnte singen, aber er war eine Schiesskopf
He certainly was. In modern parlance, a complete and total smeghead.
| 603 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:26am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
I think the auto bailouts were probably a waste of time. At best it just postponed their inevitable failure.
it’s your money the feds took from you to do that…why does that not bother you?
| 604 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:29am |
re: #583 JohnnyReb
Used to be a whole bunch of rail lines in my county I grew up in. Trains stopped running and I asked what it would take to open a few companies to run between a couple of areas and towns. I was told for just 300 miles of track you had to deal with something like 18 different unions. We have a bunch of nice walking trails in the area now…
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AuntAcid Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:33am |
re: #556 eschew_obfuscation
Could there be regulation that forces them to serve unprofitable routes? (small cities and the like)
Yes there are. Legislators make sure they can fly to and from their districts even if they the only ones on the plane.
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AZDave Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:41am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:44am |
Let’s not squabble folks, it’s too early in the day for a flounce off.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:51:57am |
re: #509 jcm
“How’s the vote fraud business these days?”
“Hi, I have an encyclopedic knowledge of local cemeteries, many dating back to pioneer days.”
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:22am |
re: #607 Walter L. Newton
Let’s not squabble folks, it’s too early in the day for a flounce off.
I just ignore his dumb ass.
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:24am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
I think the auto bailouts were probably a waste of time. At best it just postponed their inevitable failure.
I agree with you there, KT. We wasted a considerable amount of money bailing them out. They should have gone straight to bankruptcy….it would have been better than what is going on their now.
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John Neverbend Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:36am |
re: #602 John Neverbend
He certainly was. In modern parlance, a complete and total smeghead.
In fact, he was a “Scheisskopf”. Without wishing to be morbid, Steve McNair was, regrettably, a “Schiesskopf”.
| 612 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:38am |
re: #576 Killgore Trout
Biden’s a dope but he can serve in the office he’s elected to without quitting. If Obama was elderly like McCain his VP would be a larger factor.
So if McCain were President, and Palin decided to resign, Mccain would leave the VP spot vacant ?
| 613 |
hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:43am |
Why worry about “jobs”.
Obama never had a real one. He was more a “community organizer” Why should you get one now? Or still have yours now?
Be thankful you are not sent to the gulag………yet.
| 614 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:52:59am |
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:01am |
re: #603 albusteve
it’s your money the feds took from you to do that…why does that not bother you?
Insert the Jeopardy theme here. Am I the only one who thinks I know the answer to this?
| 617 |
soxfan4life Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:18am |
re: #595 Killgore Trout
I think the auto bailouts were probably a waste of time. At best it just postponed their inevitable failure.
All the auto bailouts did was delay the inevitable. But once GM realizes no one is willing to touch their 48 billion in debt, 0bama will have no choice but to send them another check. He won’t let the UAW take a hit like that. Of course they will owe him, but being that it is our money it will be just fine.
| 618 |
AZDave Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:42am |
re: #126 Conservative in Liberal Hands
For some reason, in my mind’s eye I see a bunch of slaves
with bicyclescarting very huge loads of heavy stuff.
More realistic.
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jaunte Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:46am |
Southwest Airlines is 87% unionized.
Southwest staffers are generally the highest paid in the industry. But since Southwest has about 30 percent fewer employees per aircraft than its network competitors, it has the lowest non-fuel C.A.S.M. (cost per available seat mile) of any of the major carriers.
| 620 |
capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:53:54am |
re: #607 Walter L. Newton
Let’s not squabble folks, it’s too early in the day for a flounce off.
____er.
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:54:07am |
re: #601 buzzsawmonkey
Possibly. Desert Dog’s discussion of Southwest’s operation above was very interesting.
Wouldn’t you think somebody might want to discuss the parlous state of intercity transport overall, rather than merely watching it all go to pot?
I agree, particularly in light of the left’s obsession with mass transit and the concurrent attempts to dissuade us from driving.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:54:25am |
re: #614 Fenway_Nation
They were stupid enough to vote for him- why would the 0 need to re-educate them?
De-education camps, i.e., schools.
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:54:47am |
re: #611 John Neverbend
In fact, he was a “Scheisskopf”. Without wishing to be morbid, Steve McNair was, regrettably, a “Schiesskopf”.
A Dumkopf as well
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:09am |
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:15am |
re: #607 Walter L. Newton
Let’s not squabble folks, it’s too early in the day for a flounce off.
But I’m wearing my flouncy skirt today!
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:55:41am |
re: #622 LGoPs
I agree, particularly in light of the left’s obsession with mass transit and the concurrent attempts to dissuade us from driving.
whatever their obsessions, they certainly cannot be taken seriously….the fact that they are is a danger all of us are in
| 629 |
hazzyday Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:56:02am |
re: #573 sattv4u2
SO , you couldn’t vote for McCain /Palin because the #2 person had no experience, but you would TODAY vote for Obama (#1) even THOUGH he lacks experience!
OOOOOOOkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy!
Most all anti-Palin commentary needs to be sifted and weighed for inherent misogyny before it’s political truth can be determined valid. If someone is more anti-Palin then they are anti-Jindal the difference should be examined.
Most of the anti Palin commentary I see on local news has no factual basis beyond that she bought some fancy women’s clothes.
| 632 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:56:42am |
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:56:47am |
re: #621 buzzsawmonkey
Amtrak’s major problem is that it owns no track, so its trains take a back seat to the freight trains on any given line, and Amtrak also cannot upgrade track to run faster trains.
This has resulted in the run from Chicago to New York being, currently, far slower than the same run was in 1945.
my sister went from Yuma to Kalamazoo for Christmas….took them over three days
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subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:56:54am |
re: #585 Killgore Trout
Heh, no. I don’t that the claims that Obama’s turning us into a socialist economy seriously.
I’m not quite as sanguine as you, I’m afraid. From Merriam-Webster:
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Note that socialism can be defined as either “collective” or “governmental” ownership and administration. It seems to me that the financial, insurance, and automobile industries have been subject to this - a “collective” ownership (e.g., taxpayers) implemented by a “governmental” entity (the administration with help from Congress).
The energy legislation actually puts home ownership in the hands of government, if we are required to get “permission” from a government inspector prior to selling.
The health care (actually “coverage”) legislation puts government in even greater control of both primary and ancillary health care organizations and companies.
This - while not out-and-out socialism perhaps, certainly looks similar.
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scottishbuzzsaw Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:57:10am |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:57:34am |
re: #607 Walter L. Newton
Let’s not squabble folks, it’s too early in the day for a flounce off.
You’re being a fucker again.
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:58:28am |
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snowcrash Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:58:28am |
It is not like I miss him or anything, but has anyone noticed Cato the Elder, he was a frequent commenter and now ? Tiny bit concerned. TINY. lol
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:58:40am |
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hazzyday Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:09am |
re: #581 Gus 802
I imagine the new web workers are unionized. Or the new project manager is just out of college and followed traditional Government project management methodology. Estimate it. Double it to cover underestimating, double it again just to make sure.
HA! I Pimf’d this butt I bett there is still a typo.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:09am |
re: #639 snowcrash
It is not like I miss him or anything, but has anyone noticed Cato the Elder, he was a frequent commenter and now ? Tiny bit concerned. TINY. lol
I’ll email him.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:14am |
re: #549 reloadingisnotahobby
OSHA paid our little comunity a visit a month or two ago!
A contractor was fined 60 thou… for an employee roofing with out a harness!
Ouch!
5000 each..for extension cords with a missing ground post
……………
I was doing roofing in 1984 - 85 and then again in 1989 -1990. It was a non-union shop here in NJ. I’ve recently seen the same outfit on jobs around the area, and never saw any crewmen in harness.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:32am |
re: #636 scottishbuzzsaw
Pretty.
My bermudas were all in the dirty clothes. I don’t usually get too gussied up for work.
| 645 |
BlueCanuck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:42am |
re: #639 snowcrash
He went on vacation a couple weeks back. I didn’t miss him until you menitioned it. Actually I don’t miss him….
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albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 11:59:56am |
re: #639 snowcrash
It is not like I miss him or anything, but has anyone noticed Cato the Elder, he was a frequent commenter and now ? Tiny bit concerned. TINY. lol
even tho he smacked me around a few time, I like Cato too…he’ll come storming back on of these days
| 647 |
hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:00:37pm |
re: #629 hazzyday
Palin ran a STATE. Obama ran a………………………………………bill up on his credit card.
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Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:00:38pm |
re: #619 jaunte
Southwest Airlines is 87% unionized.
Most US Carriers are bloated dinosaurs a la GM. They have piles of debt and obligations, an unhappy worker force, they are spread thin trying to be “global” and have no vision for the future. Virtually every other international carrier is heavily subsidized and even worse. If air carriers want to survive lean times, they better start emulating the formula Southwest has, or they are going to disappear…..PanAm? Eastern? Northwest is being eaten up by Delta (another sick puppy). The future does not bode well for the airline industry. They are killing off their only profitable divisions rapidly as well - freight and cargo.
| 649 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:00:41pm |
re: #635 subsailor68
I’m not quite as sanguine as you, I’m afraid. From Merriam-Webster:
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Note that socialism can be defined as either “collective” or “governmental” ownership and administration. It seems to me that the financial, insurance, and automobile industries have been subject to this - a “collective” ownership (e.g., taxpayers) implemented by a “governmental” entity (the administration with help from Congress).
The energy legislation actually puts home ownership in the hands of government, if we are required to get “permission” from a government inspector prior to selling.
The health care (actually “coverage”) legislation puts government in even greater control of both primary and ancillary health care organizations and companies.
This - while not out-and-out socialism perhaps, certainly looks similar.
Peple of KT’s ilk think that as long as Obama doesn’t appear sporting an “I heart Lenin” he can’t be a communist.
I’ve said before that when totalitarianism comes here it won’t be wearing jackboots and goose stepping. It will be wearing Nikes and smiley face t-shirts.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:04pm |
re: #540 Eowyn2
OSHA regs. because, you know, flags on a string will STOP any roofers who start sliding down the roof:)
Not to second guess what you saw, but a friend who owns a roofing company has walked right off the edge of roofs more than once. You spend a lot of time backing up, and shingles are typically laid so they slop over the edge, then the slop gets trimmed off last so there’s a nice straight edge created. But, step on that slop and you’ve got nothing but a shingle supporting you.
I’ve never seen what you describe, but it wouldn’t surprise me that it’s a method meant to prevent such incidents.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:05pm |
re: #646 albusteve
even tho he smacked me around a few time, I like Cato too…he’ll come storming back on of these days
I emailed him, I report back when and if I get any response. I thought he was on vacation too.
| 652 |
lawhawk Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:10pm |
re: #530 buzzsawmonkey
If someone had an answer to that, they’d be rich.
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Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:12pm |
re: #639 snowcrash
I think he flounced off before going on his Che Motorcycle Diaries vacation. That was after quasi-defending Syria’s assassination of al-Hariri.
| 656 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:31pm |
I was behind an car carrier today that was loaded with nothing but new Corvettes. Aren’t they closing that assembly plant down soon?
| 657 |
Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:39pm |
Protesters, officers clash violently in Iran’s streets
Violent clashes erupted today in downtown Tehran between more than a thousand determined young men and women chanting, “Death to the dictator” and “God is great” and security forces wielding truncheons.
The screams of a woman being beaten could be heard from nearby buildings, a witness said. Business owners could be seen hustling protesters into their buildings to shield them from plainclothes officers and anti-riot police who fired tear gas canisters.
| 658 |
Dianna Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:42pm |
re: #639 snowcrash
It is not like I miss him or anything, but has anyone noticed Cato the Elder, he was a frequent commenter and now ? Tiny bit concerned. TINY. lol
On vacation. Back next week, I think.
| 659 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:51pm |
re: #639 snowcrash
It is not like I miss him or anything, but has anyone noticed Cato the Elder, he was a frequent commenter and now ? Tiny bit concerned. TINY. lol
He has some serious health issue.
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Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:01:57pm |
re: #570 buzzsawmonkey
Fine. So the airlines can’t afford to provide what they’re providing, at the price they charge.
The trains can’t afford to; the buslines can’t afford to.
So nobody can afford to move people from one city to another at an affordable price?
Nobody?
I understand that the background costs of flight are expensive—though you’d think that in 90 years of commercial aviation the airlines would have figured out how to do it.
But the fact that not a single form of inter-city transport can figure out how to do it at a profit, when all three of the forms I mentioned formerly managed to flourish when there were fewer people traveling routinely and people made less money is something I find baffling.
Could it be that the unions have taken any real profit and put into their pensions and salaries?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:02:08pm |
re: #650 SixDegrees
Not to second guess what you saw, but a friend who owns a roofing company has walked right off the edge of roofs more than once. You spend a lot of time backing up, and shingles are typically laid so they slop over the edge, then the slop gets trimmed off last so there’s a nice straight edge created. But, step on that slop and you’ve got nothing but a shingle supporting you.
I’ve never seen what you describe, but it wouldn’t surprise me that it’s a method meant to prevent such incidents.
It was a flat roof.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:02:20pm |
re: #648 Desert Dog
Most US Carriers are bloated dinosaurs a la GM. They have piles of debt and obligations, an unhappy worker force, they are spread thin trying to be “global” and have no vision for the future. Virtually every other international carrier is heavily subsidized and even worse. If air carriers want to survive lean times, they better start emulating the formula Southwest has, or they are going to disappear…..PanAm? Eastern? Northwest is being eaten up by Delta (another sick puppy). The future does not bode well for the airline industry. They are killing off their only profitable divisions rapidly as well - freight and cargo.
I generally always fly Southwest.
| 663 |
albusteve Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:02:43pm |
re: #651 Walter L. Newton
I emailed him, I report back when and if I get any response. I thought he was on vacation too.
shit stirrers everywhere will be waiting…
| 664 |
razorbacker Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:09pm |
Did you know that it is a crime to lie to Congress?
Which is not the same as a lying Congress. That is still legal.
| 665 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:14pm |
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jcm Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:19pm |
re: #622 LGoPs
I agree, particularly in light of the left’s obsession with mass transit and the concurrent attempts to dissuade us from driving.
Seattle’s light rail is opening next week.
$166 Million per mile……
They want people to ride it….
But they left out something…. parking at the stations.
| 668 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:25pm |
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Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:33pm |
re: #641 hazzyday
I imagine the new web workers are unionized. Or the new project manager is just out of college and followed traditional Government project management methodology. Estimate it. Double it to cover underestimating, double it again just to make sure.
HA! I Pimf’d this butt I bett there is still a typo.
Unions will have that effect.
I have a better idea. Get rid of the web site altogether. There’s already Federal websites with that information out there and if not there’s always the telephone and Google.
While they’re at it they can revert the recovery spending and cancel all of the proposed spending.
//I can only dream.
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LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:03:58pm |
re: #662 redstateredneck
I generally always fly Southwest.
But then how do you get up north? Er…….never mind.
:)
| 671 |
sngnsgt Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:12pm |
re: #656 redstateredneck
It’s not like anybody can afford to buy a new ‘Vette.
| 672 |
SteveC Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:31pm |
OFF TOPIC - NEED YOUR HELP
There is a 16 year old girl in the hospital in Florida with a Congenital Heart Defect. Eventually she will need a transplant but that won’t happen for a while. She was admitted in mid-June with an infection and has been there ever since.
She was intubated two weeks ago (roughly) and today at 4:00 PM Eastern (2000 GMT) they are going to remove the Intubation Tube and perform a Tracheostomy. Her health is still pretty fragile, and as you can guess, she’s scared. So are her parents. So if you have a few moments around 4 PM, think good thoughts for “Florida Eliza.” (I have a friend from Colorado with the same name; that’s what I say to make sure we’re talking about the right person!)
News seems to travel slow sometimes, but as soon as I hear how things are going, I *WILL* let you know… later today, tomorrow, or even later than that, if needed.
| 673 |
hazzyday Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:37pm |
re: #649 LGoPs
Obama = NEOCOM
The new version tries to undermine and change from within. Grassroots. Capitalism is something to poke with a stick. Not something to make jobs.
| 674 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:37pm |
re: #577 Desert Dog
Obama is heading for a fall…..the cliff is near and he is picking up speed.
He’s going to need one of those OSHA mandated roofer harnesses.
| 675 |
Eowyn2 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:38pm |
re: #610 Desert Dog
I agree with you there, KT. We wasted a considerable amount of money bailing them out. They should have gone straight to bankruptcy….it would have been better than what is going on their now.
the unions wouldn’t allow it if they can stop it.
| 676 |
debutaunt Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:04:55pm |
re: #552 Desert Dog
Look to Southwest Airlines….they keep labor costs lower than their competitors. They also do other interesting things. They offer low rates and good service. They only fly one type of aircraft, - Boeing 737. Their mechanics need to only learn one jet. They cross train their workers, instill a positive attitude. They avoid cities and airports that charge huge gate fees. They target regional travel rather than global travel. They do not over leverage themselves and “hope for the best” like most of the other carriers these days.
I am in the air freight business and Southwest is the best airline to deal with for domestic freight, hands down.
If a bag needs to be picked up, a SW pilot will do it. Our friend, a retired major airline pilot, said any pilots he knew would never do that. It’s a whole different mindset.
| 677 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:05:08pm |
re: #664 razorbacker
Did you know that it is a crime to lie to Congress?
Which is not the same as a lying Congress. That is still legal.
If it’s a crime why haven’t they hauled Leon Panetta’s ass up since Nancy Pelosi accused him of “misleading” Congress. Hmmm? ? ? Could it be because she’s they liar?
| 678 |
Desert Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:05:11pm |
re: #659 Killgore Trout
He has some serious health issue.
If you speak to him, send him our best wishes and prayers for a speedy recovery. I did not always agree with Cato, and sometimes, he was downright grouchy. But, he’s a Lizard and we miss him.
| 680 |
Gus Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:05:52pm |
re: #674 Gang of One
He’s going to need one of those OSHA mandated roofer harnesses.
Pitchfork, parachute, and the OSHA roofing safety video — check!
//
| 681 |
LGoPs Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:06:13pm |
re: #649 LGoPs
Peple of KT’s ilk think that as long as Obama doesn’t appear sporting an “I heart Lenin” he can’t be a communist.
I’ve said before that when totalitarianism comes here it won’t be wearing jackboots and goose stepping. It will be wearing Nikes and smiley face t-shirts.
If Obama did appear wearing an “I heart Lenin” button half the numbnuts out there would think he’s a Beatle’s fan.
Sheesh.
| 682 |
Son of the Black Dog Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:06:25pm |
re: #576 Killgore Trout
Biden’s a dope but he can serve in the office he’s elected to without quitting. If Obama was elderly like McCain his VP would be a larger factor.
Riiight … And given how much we know about Obama’s medical history.
/max sarc
| 683 |
subsailor68 Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:06:56pm |
The Ant and the Grasshopper.
In a field one summer’s day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart’s content. An Ant walked by, grunting as he carried a plump kernel of corn.
“Where are you off to with that heavy thing?” asked the Grasshopper.
Without stopping, the Ant replied, “To our ant hill. This is the third kernel I’ve delivered today.”
“Why not come and sing with me,” said the Grasshopper, “instead of working so hard?”
“I am helping to store food for the winter,” said the Ant, “and think you should do the same.”
“Why bother about winter?” said the Grasshopper; “we have plenty of food right now.”
But the Ant went on its way and continued its work.
The weather soon turned cold. All the food lying in the field was covered with a thick white blanket of snow that even the grasshopper could not dig through. Soon the Grasshopper found itself dying of hunger.
He staggered to the ants’ hill and saw them handing out corn from the stores they had collected in the summer.
Then the Grasshopper knew: He immediately joined Acorn, lobbied Congress, and was instrumental in the passage of legislation to take all the Ant’s stuff, distribute it to him and his pals, and toss the Ant out of his little house.
Next winter, the Grasshopper froze to death.
The end.
| 684 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:07:10pm |
re: #670 LGoPs
But then how do you get up north? Er…….never mind.
:)
Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago are generally my destinations. I did have to fly Continental when I went to NEW YORK CITAY.
| 685 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:07:41pm |
re: #577 Desert Dog
I think that is just plain wrong. Are you serious? McCain would have pushed this Cap and Trade crap, now? He would have done what Obama has done? that is simply not true. Last I check McCain disliked pork spending and that is ALL Obama has done since taking over. McCain is hardly a conservative, but he probably knows you have to make business run better to get more jobs. That fact seems lost to Obama and his crew of merry men.
Obama is heading for a fall…..the cliff is near and he is picking up speed.
I wouldn’t go that far, at least not yet. He’s got a solid three years before his next election cycle is in full swing, and a solid year before the midterms. Even if the current dismal economic performance continues stagnating all the way through January, that puts a full six months of recovery on the books prior to the first round of stumping, and two and a half years until 0 faces reelection. Both are eternities in politics. And chances favor the beginnings of a recovery by the end of the year, if not sooner, despite the Administration’s incompetence and even encouragement of a prolonged slowdown that aids them in passing the other items on their agenda - notably nationalized health care - by inducing a climate of fear.
| 686 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:07:50pm |
re: #671 sngnsgt
It’s not like anybody can afford to buy a new ‘Vette.
Hell, I bought a used airplane for less than a new ‘Vette.
| 689 |
Fenway_Nation Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:10:30pm |
re: #684 redstateredneck
Actually, I seldom fly these days I seldom fly Southwest these days, but I’ve reaped the benefits of their presence in smaller, reigonal airports like Providence, Manchester NH, Hartford or Albany, NY. Their very presence in those cities tends to keep other carriers’ costs down in order to be competitive.
| 690 |
hazzyday Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:10:33pm |
re: #666 jcm
Yes no parking. Goes through the worst parts of town. Doesn’t stop at the airport yet. Bypasses major business hubs. There should have been a Boeing Stop, An Amazon stop, Associated Grocers stop.
Seattle is business unfriendly. If you go to the city hall you will notice they hid the coffee shop out of site and put art upfront. The vendor needs a mirror to spotlight himself. It looks like he is not allowed to advertise much.
Same with the Port of Seattle at the airport. The mom and pop coffee shop there was jilted by the port after years of service and customer loyaly. Nothing could deter the government officials to stop their anti business practices.
For being such a sensitive city, one still finds people trying to solve the homeless problem by subsidizing lofts for starving artists. Single moms? Seattle has never heard of them.
| 693 |
SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:11:17pm |
re: #661 Walter L. Newton
It was a flat roof.
Not to puncture a fine joke, but I’d imagine there’s still some slop that hangs over it prior to finishing. True even with sealed and tarred roofs.
I doubt it’s an OSHA requirement, though. I’ve never seen it around here. It may be unique to that company, or that state.
| 697 |
Gang of One Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:13:21pm |
re: #649 LGoPs
I’ve said before that when totalitarianism comes here it won’t be wearing jackboots and goose stepping. It will be wearing Nikes and smiley face t-shirts.
Jello Biafra said the same thing almost 30 years ago.
| 698 |
redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:14:55pm |
re: #693 SixDegrees
Not to puncture a fine joke, but I’d imagine there’s still some slop that hangs over it prior to finishing. True even with sealed and tarred roofs.
I doubt it’s an OSHA requirement, though. I’ve never seen it around here. It may be unique to that company, or that state.
Their worker’s comp carrier may have supplied it (or given them a small discount for supplying it).
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:15:04pm |
re: #693 SixDegrees
Not to puncture a fine joke, but I’d imagine there’s still some slop that hangs over it prior to finishing. True even with sealed and tarred roofs.
I doubt it’s an OSHA requirement, though. I’ve never seen it around here. It may be unique to that company, or that state.
It wasn’t a joke at all. If you saw my message up thread, it was the roof on my 3 story apartment building, flat, with a standard height knee wall, and enough flags around the perimeter, it looked like a used car lot up there.
I just have never seen such obvious over regulation or what ever the reason for so much “safety.” My job one if I was a roofer “don’t fall off.” If I couldn’t keep that in mind, maybe I should keep my feet on the ground.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:15:07pm |
re: #677 redstateredneck
If it’s a crime why haven’t they hauled Leon Panetta’s ass up since Nancy Pelosi accused him of “misleading” Congress. Hmmm? ? ? Could it be because she’s they liar?
An interesting tactic, that. Accuse someone of testifying in closed session about something that contradicts their public statements, and don’t release even a shred of evidence - like, you know, the recorded minutes of the session - to back up your claims. Then demand that they “come clean.”
Governance through headline creation. Malicious lying taken to new heights.
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redstateredneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:16:14pm |
re: #700 SixDegrees
And it’s Dem on Dem which makes it more interesting.
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capitalist piglet Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:16:54pm |
re: #692 buzzsawmonkey
Crate and Barrel’s new catalog offers several lines of shit stirrers, in stainless steel, colored plastic, and the new organic bamboo, in prices that can meet any household budget.
I love Crate and Barrel. They could sell me anything. Even this.
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jorline Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:20:47pm |
re: #562 midwestgak
Sorry to hear about your friend…when times get tough, friends bail.
My in-laws are multi-millionaires several times over. They don’t have a clue about the economy. He made a comment the other day after seeing a report about the 25,000 jobs lost last week. Helllooooo, try 525,000 jobs. His response was you make your own luck in life…if you want a better life, go get it! Of course he lives in an area of the country that is very poor and he’s king of the hill.
Life is better when you’re looking through rose colored glasses.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:23:41pm |
re: #699 Walter L. Newton
It wasn’t a joke at all. If you saw my message up thread, it was the roof on my 3 story apartment building, flat, with a standard height knee wall, and enough flags around the perimeter, it looked like a used car lot up there.
I just have never seen such obvious over regulation or what ever the reason for so much “safety.” My job one if I was a roofer “don’t fall off.” If I couldn’t keep that in mind, maybe I should keep my feet on the ground.
It isn’t as simple as you might think. You’re often rushing to get the job done, and after eight or ten hours on physical labor on a hot roof even the best of workers is suffering from fatigue. You’ve got, say, the roofing membrane hanging a foot or so over the actual supported edge of the roof; it looks just like the roof, you put your foot down on it, and by the time you realize there’s nothing but 30 feet of air underneath it you’re 10 feet from the ground and accelerating rapidly.
It may sound silly, but it happens. Like I said, I’ve never seen the edges flagged, but it doesn’t sound like a bad idea to me.
Since it’s your building, maybe you could ask them why it’s done. Then you’d have a definitive answer instead of a speculative one.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:24:21pm |
re: #701 redstateredneck
And it’s Dem on Dem which makes it more interesting.
A weakness and division that should be exploited.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:27:32pm |
re: #702 capitalist piglet
I love Crate and Barrel. They could sell me anything. Even this.
They do have some nice stuff. Their furniture’s a little pricey, but their kitchen stuff is nice if you’re looking for higher-end items.
I’ve been mulling a full set of placesettings in a particular style for a while now. It may be nearing time to take the plunge.
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Kenneth Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:29:14pm |
re: #703 jorline
His response was you make your own luck in life…if you want a better life, go get it!
Oh so that’s how you get rich? Thanks, I’ll get right on it.
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:36:32pm |
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snowcrash Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:41:11pm |
Thanks for the Cato info. I sometimes wonder about missing people. No way to know if something bad happened or they are lucky enough to get away for a very long vacation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:52:40pm |
re: #288 _RememberTonyC
for those who don’t know what I’m talking about, here it is
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
She’s going to be a very pretty young woman very soon. And tall!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jul 9, 2009 12:54:37pm |
re: #357 capitalist piglet
He said the United States hasn’t always done its share?
“Forget crap like WWII. Now we’re going to use more energy efficient light bulbs!”
[PIGLET POUNDS HEAD ON WALL.]
Piglet, cut it out. You’ll get a headache.
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Alan Furman Thu, Jul 9, 2009 1:28:33pm |
re: #2 buzzsawmonkey
“Creating jobs?” That’s economic creationism.
The Anti-Science (Republican) Party is unable to understand how life can spontaneously arise through the interaction of molecules, and the Anti-Prosperity (Democrat) Party is unable to understand how an economy can spontaneously organize itself through the interaction of millions of human beings.
With the Anti-Science Party running the State, one can still learn, teach, apply, and create science. With the Anti-Prosperity Party running the State, entrepreneurs get treated like dog dirt and stop creating jobs, leaving the rest of us in poverty and despair.
That is why it is imperative that the Anti-Science Party prevail.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Jul 9, 2009 3:37:39pm |
Well, I’m late coming on a dead thread but here’s my two cents. Clears throat.
Well who didn’t see this coming?
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nyc redneck Thu, Jul 9, 2009 5:33:16pm |
everything o does is abt. o and his personal agenda.
jobs are the last thing on his mind for americans. he wants us destitute and relying on the gov’t (him).
when we are jobless and down and out, he will push the rest of his commie plans,
thinking we are too weak to resist. he wants it all to dove tail together and slowly weaken this country to allow his take over to be easier.
it is his ideology and his personal anger at america that motivates him.
he is out to punish us and set right all the “wrongs” this country has committed around the world.
he does not respect america. he does not belong in the white house.
never before have we seen someone w/ such a thin resume and such bitterness in such a position of power.
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Muadib Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:13:43pm |
Jobs? It’s not about jobs. They’re creating confusion and misery from which they hope a Socialist Workers Paradise, also known as HELL, will arise.
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hous bin pharteen Thu, Jul 9, 2009 7:22:54pm |
re: #710 SanFranciscoZionist
She is 11 yrs old. Already a 60’s flower child. And pop is not a hard leftist. Yeah right.
I never thought that 60’s radicals would come to power.
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FrogMarch Thu, Jul 9, 2009 8:50:46pm |
re: #11 FurryOldGuyJeans
The only jobs government can create are one involving more government and bureaucrats. Private sector jobs are created when there is LESS government intervention and interference.
I’d say for every government job that is created, five private sector jobs are lost. It takes the money provided by the private sector to support the tax base needed for the public sector. I’m not going to vilify all government jobs - but making more government bureaucracy in this horrible economic climate is about as dumb as it gets.
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