Since the murder of Dr. George Tiller, anti-choice extremist Randall Terry’s been getting louder. In his latest unsavory stunt, he’s advocating that people burn effigies of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Dave Weigel points out Terry’s classy demonstration videos.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:53:50pm |
Another well reasoned argument against healthcare reform.
/wingnut
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kobra_55 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:54:38pm |
Just joined up after lurking for awhile. I always would miss the open reg, but I finally logged on here at the right time today. Just wanted to say I appreciate the open-minded and reason based dialogue on this site. Very refreshing.
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:54:55pm |
Did they misspell Reid or was that a Charles typo?
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:55:03pm |
re: #2 Baier
These are religious people? WTF?
Yes. Burning people has a long tradition in religious history.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:55:06pm |
They announce "You are engaging in a great American tradition"
Yes, one dating back to Salem in 1620...
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:55:36pm |
re: #6 ralphieboy
They announce "You are engaging in a great American tradition"
Yes, one dating back to Salem in 1620...
1692
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:56:14pm |
It would be just awful if someone tried this stunt in his own backyard and wound up burning down the neighborhood.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:56:24pm |
Roeder's supporters are having an online fundraiser for his legal defense fund:
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:56:46pm |
And with that much crazy.. I must go to work... Argghhh... it eventually gets painful to see.
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:56:58pm |
I'm afraid of Islamic Christian Fundamentalists.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:57:48pm |
I wonder how many for whom this resonates have been to a cross burning.
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:57:56pm |
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:58:33pm |
Randall Terry says (at the YouTube link):
A satirical clip of what awaits Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi if they force us to pay for child killing in healthcare.
Emphasis added, but it doesn't help.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:58:57pm |
Can we get vids of the book-burning coming up on Hallowe'en by that kook kirk that's going to incinerate all the non-King James bibles they can get their hands on?
Please, please let them post that on TouTube, O Lord.
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:59:18pm |
re: #15 wrenchwench
Someone needs to tell him what satire means.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:59:54pm |
re: #8 MandyManners
It would be
just awfulreally funny if someone tried this stunt in his own backyard and wound up burning downthe neighborhoodhis house.
There you go.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:00:18pm |
They just keep right on going, even after the murder of Dr. Tiller. The rhetoric just gets louder and more violent, yet they try to pretend that this is a Christian movement. This isn't about religion, it is about controlling women, and even more so about punishing them for have sex out of wedlock.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:00:45pm |
In general, I do not find fire to be a compelling argument. Just sayin'
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:00:54pm |
re: #15 wrenchwench
Randall Terry says (at the YouTube link):
Emphasis added, but it doesn't help.
Of course! People burning in Hell for all eternity is hilarious!!!
/sarcasm
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:00:57pm |
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:01:19pm |
re: #16 Cato the Elder
Can we get vids of the book-burning coming up on Hallowe'en by that kook kirk that's going to incinerate all the non-King James bibles they can get their hands on?
Please, please let them post that on TouTube, O Lord.
Last year local talk radio hosts tried to get people to reject that satanic holiday because child molesters might get your kids!!1!!11 oooga-booga!
"Nice try Lao Che!"
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Cato the Elder Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:01:42pm |
re: #20 Guanxi88
In general, I do not find fire to be a compelling argument. Just sayin'
It depends on how close the torches get to your face, doesn't it?
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:01:59pm |
You want to talk about silent majorities - how about people who do not care even a little about abortion?! Seriously, legalize it totally or outlaw it so that girls have to take a long car ride to Canada, I don't care. The dirty secret is I suspect most policians don't care either but are too craven to admit it.
Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Gore all switched sides on this to stay out of trouble, but ultimately did almost nothing pro or con. I'm guessing some brave pol like Giuliani will eventually say this out loud, and like 60% of us will say "FINALLY! I agree with that and I will vote for you!"
In other news Freakonomics is a brilliant book that makes the case pretty thoroughly that more abortion = less dysfunctional adults in 2 decades, less crime.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:02:01pm |
re: #24 Cato the Elder
It depends on how close the torches get to your face, doesn't it?
My face if I'm lucky!
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:02:43pm |
re: #20 Guanxi88
In general, I do not find fire to be a compelling argument. Just sayin'
I think the Klan would disagree with you. It is quite compelling for those who wish to terrorize others.
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:03:04pm |
Anyone else concerned that that video offered detailed instructions for everything but safety concerns? An open fire right on a lawn? Really??? These people will certainly be making news, alright. In the metro section with the words "five-alarm" attached. (Yes this is hyperbole :P)
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:03:51pm |
re: #23 ArchangelMichael
Upding for the Indiana Jones reference.
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:04:02pm |
re: #8 MandyManners
Turns out, if you owe too much on a house with major problems, it is really hard to get them to catch fire. I've said too much already.
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Athens Runaway Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:04:29pm |
re: #7 ArchangelMichael
1692
To be fair, historical experts blame the combination of the authorities being taken in by fraudulent court testimony, an ergot poisoning outbreak, and basic hysteria for the Salem Witch Hunts.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:05:27pm |
re: #8 MandyManners
It would be just awful if someone tried this stunt in his own backyard and wound up burning down the neighborhood.
No idea. Have they tried this in California yet?
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:05:49pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:06:23pm |
re: #35 Honorary Yooper
No idea. Have they tried this in California yet?
Only a base idiot would try this out there. For that matter, anywhere.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:08:03pm |
re: #38 MandyManners
Only a base idiot would try this out there. For that matter, anywhere.
With as much rain as we've [Chicagoland] had these past 16 days, I doubt they could even get the effigies to light.
I just wish it would stop so I could finally cut that jungle we call the lawn.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:08:08pm |
re: #9 Conservative Moonbat
Roeder's supporters are having an online fundraiser for his legal defense fund:
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
Nice people they got there.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:08:46pm |
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:09:20pm |
OT: Pawlenty Endorses Hoffman in NY-23
"We cannot send more politicians to Washington who wear the Republican jersey on the campaign trail, but then vote like Democrats in Congress on issues like card check and taxes. After reviewing the candidates' positions, I'm endorsing Doug Hoffman in New York's special election. Doug understands the federal government needs to quit spending so much, will vote against tax increases, and protect key values like the right to vote in private in union elections."
Oddly enough he made the statement at RedState but I'm not linking to them.
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:10:16pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:10:23pm |
re: #8 MandyManners
It would be just awful if someone tried this stunt in his own backyard and wound up burning down the neighborhood.
Your fault, Mandy:
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:10:26pm |
re: #32 Athens Runaway
To be fair, historical experts blame the combination of the authorities being taken in by fraudulent court testimony, an ergot poisoning outbreak, and basic hysteria for the Salem Witch Hunts.
Basic hysteria? Like birthers, death panels and creeping communist takeovers?
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:10:52pm |
re: #40 Guanxi88
Pro-lifers defending a murderer. My head just assploded.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:11:47pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:17:13pm |
I still can't figure out who that is in the video. It's not Terry.
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Athens Runaway Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:17:17pm |
re: #45 ralphieboy
Basic hysteria? Like birthers, death panels and creeping communist takeovers?
Are you suggesting that there's an ergot outbreak in the US rye supply?
//
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:17:39pm |
NOBODY expects the Randall Terry and Operation Rescue! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and burning of effigies... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and burning of effigies...and an almost fanatical devotion to medieval Christianity... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise... I'll come in again.
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Jimmah Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:17:51pm |
OT (repost from previous thread) : From Harry's Place -
One in five would consider voting for the BNP?
‘One in five “would consider voting BNP”‘ stated The Telegraph in the aftermath of Nick Griffin’s Question Time debut.
This claim was quickly picked up by other newspapers and spread all over the internet, leaving the impression that the BNP’s support is now quite considerable.
However, just how accurate are these polls? A look at a campaigning group on the BNP’s ’social network’ suggests they could be highly unrepresentative of genuine public opinion, thanks to deliberate attempts by the BNP to skew the results in their favour.
The group in question is named ‘YOUGOV – Let’s increase BNP’s support in polls, and raise money at the same time!’ and currently has 606 members (you don’t have to be a member to view it, though).
The group’s description states:
Despite recently getting two MEPs elected our support in Yougov polls has recently dropped to 3% (just 1% in Scotland).
One of the main reasons people don’t vote for us is because they believe we are a wasted vote, and it’s online polls such as Yougov that give them this impression!
If EVERY BNP supporter joined Yougov, we could put our support on a par with the Lib Dems and possibly higher!
On top of this we could actually raise money for the Party via Yougov as you actually get paid for participating in surveys.
I have already been sent a £50 cheque by Yougov which I donated to the party.
Imagine if every BNP supporter signed up to Yougov and every few weeks, raised £50 which was donated to the party.
The party could potentially get £100,000’s per year via Yougov!!!
Also if you join Yougov via the referral link below Yougov will send me the equivalent amount in survey credit for each survey they complete during their first three months of membership. Therefore potentially DOUBLING the money raised for the party!
You can also send your referral link to your friends and family, and therefore increasing the amount you raise for the party.
I’m very close to receiving my second cheque which I would really like to donate towards the legal battle against the treacherous extremist-lefties of the CEHR.
Under ‘news’ we read:
NEWS UPDATE!YOUGOV: BNP APPROVAL RATING UP TO 22%!
This now puts the BNP ahead of the Lib Dems!
Make sure you forward this group, or just the link onto your friends and family.
Together we CAN make a REAL difference.
THANK YOU
Next time you read about polls showing the BNP’s support is supposedly increasing by the day, bear this in mind.
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:17:56pm |
re: #6 ralphieboy
They announce "You are engaging in a great American tradition"
Yes, one dating back to Salem in 1620...
Actually, we hung our witches. England burned them. At least that's what my 11th grade English teacher told us when we were reading The Crucible.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:19:48pm |
re: #50 Athens Runaway
Are you suggesting that there's an ergot outbreak in the US rye supply?
//
or a Catcher outbreak...
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:20:05pm |
re: #25 keloyd
You want to talk about silent majorities - how about people who do not care even a little about abortion?! Seriously, legalize it totally or outlaw it so that girls have to take a long car ride to Canada, I don't care. The dirty secret is I suspect most policians don't care either but are too craven to admit it..
You think abortion isn't an important issue because it doesn't affect YOU?
Then you can fuck right off, right now.
It's a major issue for the 51 percent of the population that has a uterus.
PS: It's probably an issue for the people you know that have a uterus: like any woman you might ever have sex with, your sisters, your female friends, your potential daughters, and more.
I suggest you inform ALL those women that reproductive rights are really a 'dirty little secret' that you and 'most politicians' don't care about.
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Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:20:27pm |
Speaking of New York's 23rd race. I was checking the news about Dede Scozzafava receiving the Margaret Sanger award. The claim by Morrisey, Malkin, and the other wingbats is that she received the Margaret Sanger Award from Planned Parenthood. This is incorrect and it is not the Margaret Sanger Award. She received the New York Family Planning Advocate's Margaret Sanger Award which is noted in this PDF. Thus in a recent Hot Air blog, Ed Morrisey goes ahead and leaps towards illogical conclusion regarding her being given this award.
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bosforus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:20:30pm |
re: #46 JasonA
Pro-lifers defending a murderer. My head just assploded.
Hey, if all it takes to achieve peace is a murder or two...
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:21:44pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
You think abortion isn't an important issue because it doesn't affect YOU?
Then you can fuck right off, right now.
It's a major issue for the 51 percent of the population that has a uterus.
PS: It's probably an issue for the people you know that have a uterus: like any woman you might ever have sex with, your sisters, your female friends, your potential daughters, and more.
I suggest you inform ALL those women that reproductive rights are really a 'dirty little secret' that you and 'most politicians' don't care about.
I think that any normal politician is quite aware that most middle Americans oppose abortion on principle but want to know it is still available as an option in the event that "abstinence only" does not work for their promise-keeping teenage daughters.
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aagcobb Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:21:56pm |
re: #40 Guanxi88
Nice people they got there.
Among items that will go on the auction block, Dinwiddie said, are three drawings she received in the mail Wednesday from Roeder. Two drawings were done by another inmate at his direction, but Roeder autographed all of them.
“They’re wonderful pencil art drawings,” she said. “They were done in jail.”
One is a sketch of David and Goliath.
“It has David with a slingshot in one hand and the head of Goliath in his other hand and the name ‘Tiller’ on Goliath’s forehead,” she said. “On the corpse on the ground, it says ‘child-murdering industry.’ ”
Chilling. These people would make the same snuff films islamic terrorists post on the internet if they could.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:22:03pm |
re: #51 Lightspeed
NOBODY expects the Randall Terry and Operation Rescue! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise...
And firebombings, acid attacks, and murder! Those are our five weapons!
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:22:14pm |
re: #28 JasonA
Anyone else concerned that that video offered detailed instructions for everything but safety concerns? An open fire right on a lawn? Really??? These people will certainly be making news, alright. In the metro section with the words "five-alarm" attached. (Yes this is hyperbole :P)
Yeah; I foresee a new wrinkle on the annual deep-fried turkey incidents.
Oddly, the name applies equally well to either case.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:22:59pm |
re: #58 ralphieboy
I think that any normal politician is quite aware that most middle Americans oppose abortion on principle but want to know it is still available as an option in the event that "abstinence only" does not work for their promise-keeping teenage daughters.
Got that right.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:23:31pm |
If you go to the "How To" video, and follow the link suggested in it, you are admonished not to waste time on "virtual protest":
I said above that these cyber space tactics were not only ineffective, but were actually toxic and poisonous in the fight to crush legalized child-killing.The reason it is poisonous is because it takes potential warriors and teaches them how to not fight; it gives them the false impression that scurrying around in cyberspace somehow translates into political firepower; it wastes a "teaching moment" in which we should be recruiting scores, hundreds, or even thousands of bold new pro-life advocates to learn the lessons of social revolutionaries of our past, and to FIGHT in this battle.
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Athens Runaway Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:23:32pm |
re: #52 Jimmah
If I'm not mistaken, YouGov's polling methodology was kinda shady... something about "weighting" the numbers "to conform with the UK's demographic profile."
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:23:55pm |
re: #60 iceweasel
And firebombings, acid attacks, and murder! Those are our five weapons!
Indeed. But, don't forget the comfy chair...
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:25:47pm |
re: #58 ralphieboy
I think that any normal politician is quite aware that most middle Americans oppose abortion on principle but want to know it is still available as an option in the event that "abstinence only" does not work for their promise-keeping teenage daughters.
What about those with penises? Keeping their pants zipped isn't an issue?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:26:02pm |
re: #65 Lightspeed
There's a really good John Cleese interview on The AV Club today. I'm having trouble getting to it right now, but you should be able to easily find it by going to [Link: www.avclub.com....]
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:26:14pm |
re: #9 Conservative Moonbat
Roeder's supporters are having an online fundraiser for his legal defense fund:
[Link: www.kansascity.com...]
Posted this myself on the overnight and I hope it gets into an update or something here. Everyone should read CM's link. Here is another excerpt:
Leach said he was continuing to collect items.
His own donation: An Army of God manual, an underground publication for anti-abortion militants that describes dozens of ways to shut down clinics, including bombing. Leach published a reprint of the manual in 1996 in his magazine, Prayer and Action News.
“I plan to cover up the offending eight pages of bomb recipes and instead insert a note saying that in order to avoid legal problems, we advise our bomb-loving friends to seek their bomb recipes in a U.S. Army Manual, which is approved by the Justice Department,” Leach said. “I will also enclose my April 1996 issue, which contains bomb-making excerpts from a declassified U.S. Army Manual widely available in Army surplus stores.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:26:16pm |
re: #6 ralphieboy
They announce "You are engaging in a great American tradition"
Yes, one dating back to Salem in 1620...
They didn't burn in Salem. Hanging.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:27:00pm |
re: #66 MandyManners
What about those with penises? Keeping their pants zipped isn't an issue?
They aren't the ones who have to explain the bulges under their aprons, or why they suddenly had to go away to "visit their aunt"...
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:27:45pm |
re: #66 MandyManners
What about those with penises? Keeping their pants zipped isn't an issue?
"Flies spread disease, so keep yours closed!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:28:23pm |
I like the seasonal ring of pumpkins.
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Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:28:39pm |
re: #48 lawhawk
Just watch out for the polling coming from NY-23 and the claim that Hoffman is ahead.
The 23rd is a Republican or conservative district so if in the end Hoffman wins it would come as no surprise. It would be foolish for the Tea Party to come to any conclusion because of that since it is not a very competitive district due to its inherent nature as Republican/conservative district and given Scozzafava's political history.
Also, as you mention the sample of 300 voters is rather low along with a rather high margin of error of plus or minus 5.66%.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:28:47pm |
re: #70 ralphieboy
They aren't the ones who have to explain the bulges under their aprons, or why they suddenly had to go away to "visit their aunt"...
Doesn't give them a pass in my eyes.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:29:24pm |
re: #71 ArchangelMichael
"Flies spread disease, so keep yours closed!"
I'll not confuse pregnancy with VD.
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Lightspeed Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:29:31pm |
re: #67 Mad Al-Jaffee
There's a really good John Cleese interview on The AV Club today. I'm having trouble getting to it right now, but you should be able to easily find it by going to [Link:
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:30:07pm |
re: #74 MandyManners
Doesn't give them a pass in my eyes.
Didn't want to excuse them, I am just looking it from the point of view of the morays of Middle America: it is the prodigal daughters who bring shame and scandal on the family.
While the prodigal sons go on to pose in "Playgirl"...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:30:17pm |
re: #32 Athens Runaway
To be fair, historical experts blame the combination of the authorities being taken in by fraudulent court testimony, an ergot poisoning outbreak, and basic hysteria for the Salem Witch Hunts.
So basically, all we need is some ergot, and we're good to go.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:30:37pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:30:57pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
So basically, all we need is some ergot, and we're good to go.
Oxycontin and/or meth will do in a pinch, I'm sure...
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:31:07pm |
re: #48 lawhawk
Just watch out for the polling coming from NY-23 and the claim that Hoffman is ahead.
Hoffman will apparently be on Glenn Beck's show today. The usual suspects are salivating at the prospect.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:31:20pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
So basically, all we need is some ergot, and we're good to go.
Is there a fungus among us?
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:31:31pm |
re: #63 wrenchwench
If you go to the "How To" video, and follow the link suggested in it, you are admonished not to waste time on "virtual protest":
the Army of God manual they're auctioning off has similar admonishments.
Here is another bit from that article:
Michael Bray, an Ohio activist who spent four years in prison for the firebombings of abortion-related facilities on the East Coast in the 1980s, is donating an autographed copy of his book, “A Time to Kill.” The book is described as “an ethical treatise on the use of force in defense of the child in the womb.”
They are, literally, auctioning off how-to manuals and instructions for murder and the bombing of clinics-- to raise money for the defence of someone who murdered a doctor who performed abortions.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:32:19pm |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No. They are not.
I don't know. They would probably get along well with that church which is holding the Halloween book-burning.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:32:48pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
They are, literally, auctioning off how-to manuals and instructions for murder and the bombing of clinics-- to raise money for the defence of someone who murdered a doctor who performed abortions.
I'm hoping ebay blocks it.
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:32:50pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
The 23rd is a Republican or conservative district so if in the end Hoffman wins it would come as no surprise. It would be foolish for the Tea Party to come to any conclusion because of that since it is not a very competitive district due to its inherent nature as Republican/conservative district and given Scozzafava's political history.
Also, as you mention the sample of 300 voters is rather low along with a rather high margin of error of plus or minus 5.66%.
Well the other thing to note is that two of the polls that show Hoffman more favorable than he probably is come from his own party (NY conservative) and from his endorsers and probable financers: Club for Growth Decay
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:33:23pm |
re: #78 ralphieboy
Didn't want to excuse them, I am just looking it from the point of view of the morays of Middle America: it is the prodigal daughters who bring shame and scandal on the family.
While the prodigal sons go on to pose in "Playgirl"...
I think you have the mores of "middle America" confused with those of Randall Terry's ilk.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:33:51pm |
re: #73 Gus 802
The 23rd is a Republican or conservative district so if in the end Hoffman wins it would come as no surprise. It would be foolish for the Tea Party to come to any conclusion because of that since it is not a very competitive district due to its inherent nature as Republican/conservative district and given Scozzafava's political history.
Also, as you mention the sample of 300 voters is rather low along with a rather high margin of error of plus or minus 5.66%.
The outcome doesn't matter. A win for Hoffman will lead to shrieks of victory and a call to redouble efforts the next time around. A loss will lead to shrieks of defeat and betrayal - and a call to redouble efforts the next time around.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:34:04pm |
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davinvalkri Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:34:29pm |
Well, so much for "let he who is without sin..."
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:34:40pm |
re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I don't know. They would probably get along well with that church which is holding the Halloween book-burning.
yes, but FVB is completely right to say such people aren't Christian and don't represent Christians at all-- I took it that he was making that point.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:34:41pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:36:20pm |
re: #90 SixDegrees
The outcome doesn't matter. A win for Hoffman will lead to shrieks of victory and a call to redouble efforts the next time around. A loss will lead to shrieks of defeat and betrayal - and a call to redouble efforts the next time around.
Truer words were ne'er spoken.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:36:51pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
They are, literally, auctioning off how-to manuals and instructions for murder and the bombing of clinics-- to raise money for the defence of someone who murdered a doctor who performed abortions.
re: #86 Conservative Moonbat
I'm hoping ebay blocks it.
re: #94 SixDegrees
email them.
I'd rather the auction proceeded - that way, there is some possibility of tracking down who paid money for this stuff. I think their identity might be of some interest to the authorities, and I, for one, would love to know who's an evil murderous piece-of-shit and who isn't. This auction would be a good way to find a few of them, anyway.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:36:55pm |
re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No. They are not.
Well, certainly not of the Christian persuasion.
To be blunt, I imagine that when a group of these people get together they greet one another with "Hail, Satan!"
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:36:55pm |
re: #92 davinvalkri
"All I did was say to my wife, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!'"
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:37:31pm |
re: #94 SixDegrees
email them.
Already done. Here's the contact info for anyone else interested:
Email:
ebayinc@ebay.com
press@ebay.com
If you are an eBay user, you can also use the web form to contact eBay by going to "Help" and clicking "Contact us".
Telephone:
[no phone numbers allowed]
[no phone numbers allowed]
Postal mail:
eBay Inc. Headquarters
Whitman Campus
2065 Hamilton Avenue
San Jose, California 95125eBay Park North
2211 North First Street
San Jose, CA 95131
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:37:53pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
Did I say anyone was doing that?
Certainly looked like you wanted to pretend ralphieboy was doing that.
I'm very pleased to see you wouldn't do such a thing, or make up some other excuse to pretend to be offended by him. You wouldn't do that, would you? I'm sure you wouldn't. You just made a point of mentioning that and all.
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:37:53pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
Your hysterics and lack of class illustrate perfectly why 90% of us don't care. A tiny handful of nuts like Randall Terry make these disturbing videos. Another small minority screams bloody murder about how we are always an election away from becoming a Taliban theocracy. The rest of us know it is all froth and no beer. I suspect there are underlying psychological issues for both parties, kind of the way the most rabid antismoker zealots are the ex-smokers. Your attempt to cast this as a men against women issue is not born out by where public opinion is, split by gender. Here's a CBS/NYT poll showing men and women having beliefs within ~4% of each other, halfway down the page link
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:38:31pm |
re: #96 Guanxi88
I'd rather the auction proceeded - that way, there is some possibility of tracking down who paid money for this stuff. I think their identity might be of some interest to the authorities, and I, for one, would love to know who's an evil murderous piece-of-shit and who isn't. This auction would be a good way to find a few of them, anyway.
Interesting point.
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Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:38:34pm |
re: #90 SixDegrees
The outcome doesn't matter. A win for Hoffman will lead to shrieks of victory and a call to redouble efforts the next time around. A loss will lead to shrieks of defeat and betrayal - and a call to redouble efforts the next time around.
True. I wonder if so-cons like Hoffman will be the norm for the Tea Partiers. This seems counter to the alleged "libertarian" leanings of some Tea Party types.
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Big Steve Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:38:42pm |
pssst...don't tell anyone but the Large Hadron Collider is back up and running...no black holes ripping through the firmament yet...LCH introduces Particles
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Jimmah Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:38:43pm |
re: #64 Athens Runaway
If I'm not mistaken, YouGov's polling methodology was kinda shady... something about "weighting" the numbers "to conform with the UK's demographic profile."
I don't know if it is normal to re-jig the data in polls to make it conform to the UK demographic profile, but the lack of a margin of error certainly seems to devalue the results.
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:41:00pm |
re: #101 keloyd
I'm less concerned about Abortion being outlawed (not happening any time soon) than I am about the tactics used to frighten people into not giving or getting them. There are places in this country where abortion may as well be illegal because the doctors are scared s**tless of the consequences that the community will impose on them.
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Baier Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:41:35pm |
re: #105 Jimmah
I don't know if it is normal to re-jig the data in polls to make it conform to the UK demographic profile, but the lack of a margin of error certainly seems to devalue the results.
Weighing numbers is statistically sound practice that we do in marketing. I know it's statically sound because we bet money on it!
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:41:57pm |
re: #101 keloyd
Your hysterics and lack of class illustrate perfectly why 90% of us don't care. A tiny handful of nuts like Randall Terry make these disturbing videos. Another small minority screams bloody murder about how we are always an election away from becoming a Taliban theocracy. The rest of us know it is all froth and no beer. I suspect there are underlying psychological issues for both parties, kind of the way the most rabid antismoker zealots are the ex-smokers. Your attempt to cast this as a men against women issue is not born out by where public opinion is, split by gender. Here's a CBS/NYT poll showing men and women having beliefs within ~4% of each other, halfway down the page link
I must be hysterical and lacking class to cast abortion as an issue having to do with women.
BTW, do you think it's strange and hysterical to point out Randall Terry and Operation Rescue and their recent resurgence politically?
Did you think it was 'hysterical' to point out that one of only three doctors that can perform lateterm abortions in the US was recently assassinated?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:43:07pm |
re: #102 SixDegrees
Interesting point.
My take is always give them a chance to expose themselves so they can be watched or at least remembered.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:43:21pm |
re: #101 keloyd
Your hysterics and lack of class illustrate perfectly why 90% of us don't care. A tiny handful of nuts like Randall Terry make these disturbing videos. Another small minority screams bloody murder about how we are always an election away from becoming a Taliban theocracy. The rest of us know it is all froth and no beer. I suspect there are underlying psychological issues for both parties, kind of the way the most rabid antismoker zealots are the ex-smokers. Your attempt to cast this as a men against women issue is not born out by where public opinion is, split by gender. Here's a CBS/NYT poll showing men and women having beliefs within ~4% of each other, halfway down the page link
Link?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:43:26pm |
re: #104 Big Steve
pssst...don't tell anyone but the Large Hadron Collider is back up and running...no black holes ripping through the firmament yet...LCH introduces Particles
They have a youtube channel
The Large Hadron Collider is cool!
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:43:54pm |
OT: Polanski could face two years in prison at most
Two years? All this over two friggin' years? And people don't get time for fleeing from justice for a few decades?
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:44:28pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
True. I wonder if so-cons like Hoffman will be the norm for the Tea Partiers. This seems counter to the alleged "libertarian" leanings of some Tea Party types.
There are many groups jockeying to fill the GOP power vacuum at the moment. Ron Paul has been actively working to build a "big tent" containing a whole pile of kookiness, from Birchers to neo-Nazis to the more reactionary elements of the religious right. It isn't clear how that's going to work out There seems to be a gathering of opposition to this within the GOP, but it's still quite small. I would think that an election "victory," illusory or not, for the Ronulans would either kick-start this opposition, or bury it entirely as cowards flock toward what they wrongly perceive as the center of the herd because it's the groups that's doing the most baying.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:44:37pm |
re: #101 keloyd
Your link did not work, and neither did your "logic".
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:45:26pm |
re: #100 iceweasel
Certainly looked like you wanted to pretend ralphieboy was doing that.
I'm very pleased to see you wouldn't do such a thing, or make up some other excuse to pretend to be offended by him. You wouldn't do that, would you? I'm sure you wouldn't. You just made a point of mentioning that and all.
Huh?
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:45:46pm |
re: #110 MandyManners
Whoops, trying again, the link to a CBS/NYT breaking down abortion beliefs by groups, including gender, about halfway down the page, thanks Mandy!
Your text to link...
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:46:51pm |
re: #103 Gus 802
True. I wonder if so-cons like Hoffman will be the norm for the Tea Partiers. This seems counter to the alleged "libertarian" leanings of some Tea Party types.
The number one Tea Party type, who is a "libertarian," is opposed to legal abortion. Luap Nor.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:48:29pm |
re: #106 JasonA
I'm less concerned about Abortion being outlawed (not happening any time soon) than I am about the tactics used to frighten people into not giving or getting them. There are places in this country where abortion may as well be illegal because the doctors are scared s**tless of the consequences that the community will impose on them.
And there are states that would very happily impose restrictions whereby abortion might as well be illegal, because it would become impossible for anyone who isn't fairly well off to have one.
Not everyone can take a week off and drive to another state or fly to canada as our current fuckwit cavalierly suggests.
And before people jump on me and say "it doesn't take a week to drive to another state' --- look at a US map that shows abortion laws by state, and factor in a three day waiting period for the ones likely to pass such laws.
Trust me. The people most likely to be affected by such laws are the people least likely to have the resources to drive to another state, take a week off work, etc.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:49:08pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
The number one Tea Party type, who is a "libertarian," is opposed to legal abortion. Luap Nor.
Right. Because limited government doesn't mean...limited government.
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Gus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:49:28pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
The number one Tea Party type, who is a "libertarian," is opposed to legal abortion. Luap Nor.
Yeah, must be a hybrid-libertarian or something. I guess their idea is to just smoke a Ron Paul-legalized-joint and not worry about it.
/
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:49:41pm |
re: #90 SixDegrees
The outcome doesn't matter. A win for Hoffman will lead to shrieks of victory and a call to redouble efforts the next time around. A loss will lead to shrieks of defeat and betrayal - and a call to redouble efforts the next time around.
That whole situation is a clusterfuck. IMO it's lose-lose-lose no matter who wins.
Scozzafava's opponents really don't like her because she's pro-choice, despite their claimed reasons. I'm pretty sure if she was anti-abortion, and that's the only thing different, she would not have Republican opposition. Scozzafava is not remotely fiscally conservative but the so-cons only pretend to give a shit about this.
If she wins, we get another fiscal liberal congress-critter. The kook-right will claim they need to take up the social conservatism (which they will just call "Conservatism") up a notch.
If Hoffman get enough votes for her to lose, he wont win and the Democrat candidate will. I don't know anything about the Dem candidate, so I can't say for sure this will be bad, but the kook-right will demand even bigger kooks run next time which definitely is bad.
If Hoffman actually wins... we might get another fiscal conservative but we definitely will get another social conservative kook, combined with more calls from the kook-right to ratchet up the kookery and social conservatism.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:49:51pm |
re: #117 keloyd
Whoops, trying again, the link to a CBS/NYT breaking down abortion beliefs by groups, including gender, about halfway down the page, thanks Mandy!
Your text to link...
Whoops! A link to wikipedia!
Tell us about how reliable wikipedia is about abortion!
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:49:55pm |
re: #117 keloyd
Whoops, trying again, the link to a CBS/NYT breaking down abortion beliefs by groups, including gender, about halfway down the page, thanks Mandy!
Your text to link...
According to that poll, more women than men wanted it banned completely.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:53:07pm |
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:53:17pm |
re: #124 MandyManners
According to that poll, more women than men wanted it banned completely.
Seems counter-intuitive, but it may be an artifact of the margin of error.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:53:24pm |
re: #25 keloyd
You want to talk about silent majorities - how about people who do not care even a little about abortion?! Seriously, legalize it totally or outlaw it so that girls have to take a long car ride to Canada, I don't care. The dirty secret is I suspect most policians don't care either but are too craven to admit it.
Although it has probably been posted 100 times before I will post this again. Those picketing and chanting slogans outside the places where abortions are performed still use them when they are the ones who need the service. Funny how that works isn't it?
[Link: mypage.direct.ca...]
Tell me why a woman should not be able to decide whether or not to have a child? Then tell me who will give them the money for the road trip and hotel rooms while taking a week or more off to go to Canada? Your argument is just more misogynist bullshit, what your really saying is that you don't give a shit about womens rights, period.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:53:43pm |
Repost! Wikipedia and abortion!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
I mentioned that wiki is often targeted subtly by people pushing a particular political agenda. These attacks are designed to slip through the editing system and often do.
Would it surprise people to learn that the wiki section on late term abortion was targeted in this way, and the editors have yet to catch it, nor has anyone in the progressive or feminist blogging sphere?
Check it out:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The section is for 'late term abortion', yet this section is titled 'reasons for LATER term abortion". Later term abortion refers to abortions performed in the second half of the SECOND trimester, not the third trimester as this article tries to make it seem.
You'll notice they cite a Gutmacher Institute study, yet mysteriously avoid linking to the Institite or to the actual academic journal in which the study was published. That's because reading the actual article reveals it's about later term abortions-- abortions up until the 24th week of pregnancy-- not abortions up through the third trimester. If they linked the GI or the acad journal, the person who edited this would have been busted.
Look at footnote 3, where someone is hosting a copy of that academic paper.
It's hosted by this site:
Someone has cleverly written that wikipedia article in such a way as to imply that an (incomplete) list of reasons given for why women did not seek an abortion sooner then the end of the second trimester, is an inclusive list of reasons why women seek an abortion in the third trimester. In fact, the study in question doesn't include ANYONE who sought an abortion in the third trimester. Such procedures are not even performed by any of the clinic in the Guttmacher Institute study-- but someone doesn't want us to know that, so they've cherrypicked data from that study.
(FWIW, I don't think the HolySmoke people are responsible or even aware that their site is being used in this way)
I noticed this right after the Tiller assassination, and it still hasn't been changed.
This page has similar misleading info
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:53:52pm |
Why does every Representative have to be pro-life for the right to be happy, anyway? They can't affect Roe. They aren't state representatives. Why the hell is it so important?
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SeaMonkey Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:54:13pm |
re: #119 iceweasel
The people most likely to be affected by such laws are the people least likely to have the resources to drive to another state, take a week off work, etc.
Certainly true. And they are least likely to have a political voice.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:55:15pm |
re: #130 SeaMonkey
Certainly true. And they are least likely to have a political voice.
We have a winner.
That is exactly why no one cares what they think or what their lives are like.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:56:53pm |
re: #128 iceweasel
Thanks. That's the kind of stuff I just don't have the patience to do, so I appreciate it when somebody else does it.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:56:54pm |
re: #126 Guanxi88
Seems counter-intuitive, but it may be an artifact of the margin of error.
The four per cent margin of error applies only to the overall results, not those broken down into subcategories.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:57:16pm |
re: #129 JasonA
Why does every Representative have to be pro-life for the right to be happy, anyway? They can't affect Roe. They aren't state representatives. Why the hell is it so important?
The goal is to overturn Roe by way of a Constitutional amendment, which would remove the judiciary from the picture altogether.
It's the sort of dream encountered in opium dens, but that's what they're aiming for.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:58:42pm |
re: #129 JasonA
Why does every Representative have to be pro-life for the right to be happy, anyway? They can't affect Roe. They aren't state representatives. Why the hell is it so important?
Besides what SixDegrees just said, it's also an organizing issue, ie: money maker.
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:58:44pm |
Do they sell those in tea candle size for more moderate indoor effigy burnings?
//
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:59:21pm |
re: #129 JasonA
Why does every Representative have to be pro-life for the right to be happy, anyway? They can't affect Roe. They aren't state representatives. Why the hell is it so important?
Partially intellectual dishonesty. One of the candidates for City Attorney here last year made a big deal about being anti-illegal immigration. That's almost as asinine as electing school-board members based on their opinion about the Designated Hitter.
Another reason is, though they cant outright ban abortion with simple legislation they can:
A) Propose a constitutional amendment doing so, which will overturn Roe.
B) Slowly chip away at abortion in various ways such as 'Partial Birth' legislation and the like.
C) If they are like-minded to them on abortion, they believe that they probably agree with them in other areas.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:59:42pm |
re: #136 DaddyG
Do they sell those in tea candle size for more moderate indoor effigy burnings?
//
Moderates are going to HELL!!!1!
//
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John Neverbend Mon, Oct 26, 2009 1:59:58pm |
re: #15 wrenchwench
Randall Terry says (at the YouTube link):
Emphasis added, but it doesn't help.
He says he uploaded the video. The speaker doesn't look anything like Randall Terry, so I assume he's another nut job for whom it's not obviously "satirical".
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:01:02pm |
re: #108 iceweasel
I must be hysterical and lacking class to cast abortion as an issue having to do with women.
Yes, you are, because of your choice of language and tone. Women's beliefs on abortion are within 3-4% of men, breaking down by pro choice, pro life, pro-a-few-exceptions, etc.
BTW, do you think it's strange and hysterical to point out Randall Terry and Operation Rescue and their recent resurgence politically?
He is a dangerous nut, and I never implied otherwise. I am pro choice myself, on the whole.
Did you think it was 'hysterical' to point out that one of only three doctors that can perform late term abortions in the US was recently assassinated?
Here you are bringing up a straw man. We are all against nutjobs murdering people.
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:01:15pm |
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:01:19pm |
re: #136 DaddyG
Do they sell those in tea candle size for more moderate indoor effigy burnings?
//
With effigies made out of clothes' pins, too.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:01:30pm |
re: #132 wrenchwench
Thanks. That's the kind of stuff I just don't have the patience to do, so I appreciate it when somebody else does it.
No problem. Those stats from the wiki article got posted all over here after Tiller's murder. That's why I looked at it at all. The links are all in the original comment (the first link).
I think it's really shocking Wikipedia didn't find this. I posted it here and I've been lazy--also I figured I'd give LGF first whack at it. I should email it to the feminist blogs and people who watch Wiki.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:02:00pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
The four per cent margin of error applies only to the overall results, not those broken down into subcategories.
True. The margin of error is the inverse of the square root of the sample size. So as the sample size gets smaller, the margin of error increases. Cutting the sample roughly in half, then, increases the margin of error by roughly 40%.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:02:02pm |
Somebody at fark made an interesting political graph
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:02:34pm |
re: #101 keloyd
Your hysterics and lack of class illustrate perfectly why 90% of us don't care. A tiny handful of nuts like Randall Terry make these disturbing videos. Another small minority screams bloody murder about how we are always an election away from becoming a Taliban theocracy. The rest of us know it is all froth and no beer. I suspect there are underlying psychological issues for both parties, kind of the way the most rabid antismoker zealots are the ex-smokers. Your attempt to cast this as a men against women issue is not born out by where public opinion is, split by gender. Here's a CBS/NYT poll showing men and women having beliefs within ~4% of each other, halfway down the page link
Let me start simply, Most people who don't 'care' about abortion because they're living in a world where they think it won't affect their lives. But the reason they think that is because the sisters, daughters and mothers who have gone through an abortion have been beaten over and over again on the head about how 'immoral' or 'evil' or 'slutty' they must have been to get an abortion in the first place. The dirty little secret of your silent majority is they want abortions to be legal, but they want to be able to look down in judgment on those people who have had abortions. And then, there are the real nut cases who look at the rhetoric as a call to arms to crusade, murder, and terrorize anyone involved in abortions.
Maybe if you talked to your female friends, you'd find out how many lives have been touched by abortion.
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:03:24pm |
re: #139 John Neverbend
He says he uploaded the video. The speaker doesn't look anything like Randall Terry, so I assume he's another nut job for whom it's not obviously "satirical".
I mentioned that as being an RT quote because it appears under his name under "more info". I supposed that it was the uploader's words. Thanks for keeping an eye on me, though. I do make boo boos.
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:03:36pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:04:26pm |
re: #145 Killgore Trout
I think Huff and Kos need to change places on that graph.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:07:30pm |
re: #148 JasonA
re: #135 wrenchwench
re: #137 ArchangelMichael
Kind of like Palin running for mayor of Wasilla on the anti-abortion platform. I just look at all of the energy put into this one issue and I can't force myself to understand it.
I'm going to have to go wash my fingers after typing this, but I agree with Hillary Clinton's attempt to find a middle ground on this issue by proclaiming that from the government's perspective, abortion ought to be legal and rare.
Ack - I agree with Hillary Clinton.
Nonetheless, it's the correct position. The government needs to ensure that those who want this procedure have access to it. It also ought to strive mightily to limit government funding for it, leaving that responsibility to those who desire it in most cases. It was a way to begin government withdrawal from the issue, which is the wrong forum for it in the first place.
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:08:15pm |
You can't legislate morality.
I take an atypical position among those who share my faith that abortion should not be made illegal in particular in early stages of pregnancy.
I've known several women who have been touched by abortion and most have struggled with the decision and the aftermath. However, you cannot force people to act according to your moral code. You can exhort, teach, provide support and alternatives and hopefully be an example.
I hold that it is a horrible thing and a measure of last resort but understandable in cases of incest, rape or the mother's health being at risk. Having said that it is a moral choice and thus not easily dictated or defined by law.
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John Neverbend Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:09:25pm |
re: #147 wrenchwench
I mentioned that as being an RT quote because it appears under his name under "more info". I supposed that it was the uploader's words. Thanks for keeping an eye on me, though. I do make boo boos.
Actually, I hadn't even seen your mention of an RT quote. When I saw the video, I did a search for photographs of RT, and none of them looked at all like the gink in the video.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:09:43pm |
re: #140 keloyd
You find me 'hysterical' and 'lacking class' merely because I am prochoice and I object to anyone restricting that choice. My choice of words apparently made you cry.
I find your positions moronic, misogynistic, and idiotic; I further find you exceptionally inarticulate and gormless in your attempt to express such opinions.
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rwmofo Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:10:00pm |
Slightly OT: Pelosi trying new way to fool us.
"In an appearance at a Florida senior center, the Democratic leader referred to the so-called public option as "the consumer option." Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., appeared by Pelosi's side and used the term "competitive option." "
Pelosi and friends are putting new labels on their box of crap, but it's still a box of crap.
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John Neverbend Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:10:29pm |
re: #145 Killgore Trout
Somebody at fark made an interesting political graph
Is daily Kos really to the right of Huffpo?
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:11:17pm |
re: #156 rwmofo
Pelosi and friends are putting new labels on their box of crap, but it's still a box of crap.
Pelosi is dedicated to political correctness; the proposition that it is possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:12:14pm |
re: #157 John Neverbend
Fark is a funny site but politically they aren't very smart.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:12:42pm |
re: #140 keloyd
You know, for someone who claims that no one cares about this, are you including yourself in that group, because if so, you've posted an awful lot on something you don't care about.
Just sayin'
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:13:02pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout
Fark is a funny site but politically they aren't very smart.
They got it close enough to being correct for it to be funny though.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:13:03pm |
Lou Dobbs shills for anti-government militias...
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes interviewed by Lou Dobbs (10-22-2009)
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:14:51pm |
re: #162 Killgore Trout Darn that liberal CNN... ...oh ...wait. /
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Jimmah Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:16:01pm |
re: #160 bloodstar
You know, for someone who claims that no one cares about this, are you including yourself in that group, because if so, you've posted an awful lot on something you don't care about.
Just sayin'
Non-concern troll? Is this a category? I think it should be.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:16:46pm |
re: #3 kobra_55
Just joined up after lurking for awhile. I always would miss the open reg, but I finally logged on here at the right time today. Just wanted to say I appreciate the open-minded and reason based dialogue on this site. Very refreshing.
Communist.
// :) //
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:17:28pm |
re: #163 DaddyG
There were rumors that Dobbs might go over to fox but I don't think it's going to happen.
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keloyd Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:18:42pm |
Bloodstar, Iceweasel
My original point, stated with some rhetorical flourish that could be misinterpreted, is that (1) the range of likely possibilities for the legal status of abortion is narrow, and (2) I don't like zealots.
This is not 1920. Abortion will be legal and relatively cheap from here on out, no matter who is elected to Congress from New York, no matter who is on the Supreme Court. At the edges, we may ebb and wane on stuff like 8 month old fetuses, parental notification for minors, or reporting rape cases, but on the whole, the US will be de facto pro-choice forever. They cost a little more than a cavity filling, but much less than a root canal. Why get all emotional? in a blog?
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bosforus Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:18:51pm |
re: #157 John Neverbend
Is daily Kos really to the right of Huffpo?
The creator of that graph is probably a Kossack.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:20:27pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
The four per cent margin of error applies only to the overall results, not those broken down into subcategories.
Overall MOE is 4%; for individual subcategories, it may be higher or lower. Probably higher, due to smaller overall sample size.
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:20:55pm |
re: #167 bosforus
Thanks for the new word. My gorm is rising.
I like fuckwit better, but was trying to use words that the lizards who don't have potty-mouths could like too.
me = potty mouth lib. Ok, I admit it.
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SeaMonkey Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:21:06pm |
re: #156 rwmofo
Slightly OT: ... Pelosi and friends are putting new labels on their box of crap, but it's still a box of crap.
Try completely OT. This thread is about nuts burning Pelosi and friends in effigy. They didn't like her box of crap either.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:22:21pm |
re: #171 iceweasel
I like fuckwit better, but was trying to use words that the lizards who don't have potty-mouths could like too.
me = potty mouth lib. Ok, I admit it.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:22:38pm |
re: #172 SeaMonkey
Try completely OT. This thread is about nuts burning Pelosi and friends in effigy. They didn't like her box of crap either.
Let's tie it all together. If a box full of crap with a burning Pelosi effigy on top were on your porch would you stomp on it to put it out?
//Do I need to?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:22:44pm |
Indoctrination! Brainwashing!
Glenn Beck: The Christmas Sweater Picture Book
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:24:21pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
NOW I've heard everything. Who in the world has a problem with Pooh?!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:25:04pm |
Good Afternoon Lizards!
hope everyone is well today
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:25:26pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
Indoctrination! Brainwashing!
Glenn Beck: The Christmas Sweater Picture Book[Video]
I thought he was about to burst into tears there, for a minute.
re: #176 Sharmuta
NOW I've heard everything. Who in the world has a problem with Pooh?!
I can't imagine anything Pooh said that a parent would have to skip over.
One of my all-time favorite kids-book characters.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:25:39pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:26:21pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
NOW I've heard everything. Who in the world has a problem with Pooh?!
He's a fascist ACORN operative for the New World Order who has a deep seated hatred for White Culture!
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:26:34pm |
re: #171 iceweasel
I like fuckwit better, but was trying to use words that the lizards who don't have potty-mouths could like too.
me = potty mouth lib. Ok, I admit it.
I grew up in a family of cursers, whereas my wife's folk never said much worse than "darn", and even then, you can tell they felt bad about doing it. That's why, when my angelic #2 daughter, aged 3 at the time, punctuated the fall of her cereal bowl with a "godammit," I was the one who got in trouble.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:26:56pm |
re: #178 reine.de.tout
I can't imagine anything Pooh said that a parent would have to skip over.
One of my all-time favorite kids-book characters.
I'm speechless. Who the hell gets offended at POOH?!
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iceweasel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:27:02pm |
re: #168 keloyd
Bloodstar, Iceweasel
My original point, stated with some rhetorical flourish that could be misinterpreted, is that (1) the range of likely possibilities for the legal status of abortion is narrow, and (2) I don't like zealots.
This is not 1920. Abortion will be legal and relatively cheap from here on out, no matter who is elected to Congress from New York, no matter who is on the Supreme Court. At the edges, we may ebb and wane on stuff like 8 month old fetuses, parental notification for minors, or reporting rape cases, but on the whole, the US will be de facto pro-choice forever. They cost a little more than a cavity filling, but much less than a root canal. Why get all emotional? in a blog?
Dear idiot: For you it may be something 'minor', for 51 percent of the population, it's rather a big deal. It's a big deal if you have to carry your rapist's child to term. It's a big deal if a hospital refuses you emergency contraception after your rape-- because they're a catholic hospital, or their state doesn't mandate it-- or tells the rape victim she has to pay for it.
It's a big deal if you have to bear a pregnancy to term when you don't want to, for the 51 percent of the population that can get pregnant.
And there are lots of people who don't get a root canal when they need one, because they don't have the money or the insurance, and so they wait a while. NOT AN OPTION for a pregnancy.
hey. non-concern troll-- why are you so worried about this? On a blog?
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:27:40pm |
re: #181 Killgore Trout
He's a fascist ACORN operative for the New World Order who has a deep seated hatred for White Culture!
It's the little red shirt. Gives them away every time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:28:08pm |
Kind of off topic...
Casting Shelley Duvall in "The Shining" was brilliant. She was fantastic.
I don't understand why she is so overlooked...
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Kragar Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:28:25pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
NOW I've heard everything. Who in the world has a problem with Pooh?!
I just can't handle some foods like I used to.
Oh, wrong Pooh.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:28:25pm |
re: #57 bosforus
Hey, if all it takes to achieve peace is a murder or two...
///
And it's not as though that mindset hasn't been put into action on an industrial scale before, in the service of many ideologies.
--no sarc
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:28:26pm |
re: #186 Sharmuta
It's the little red shirt. Gives them away every time.
Gets them killed in Star Trek as well.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:28:56pm |
re: #186 Sharmuta
Red shirt? A Taoist Maoist if there ever was one...
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Jack Burton Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:29:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:29:26pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
I'm speechless. Who the hell gets offended at POOH?!
I can't see the vid from here. What's wrong with Pooh? What does he say?
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:29:28pm |
re: #152 DaddyG
You can't legislate morality.
I take an atypical position among those who share my faith that abortion should not be made illegal in particular in early stages of pregnancy.
I've known several women who have been touched by abortion and most have struggled with the decision and the aftermath. However, you cannot force people to act according to your moral code. You can exhort, teach, provide support and alternatives and hopefully be an example.
I hold that it is a horrible thing and a measure of last resort but understandable in cases of incest, rape or the mother's health being at risk. Having said that it is a moral choice and thus not easily dictated or defined by law.
I agree with the ideas behind what you said, hence the upding, but I think there's much more going on, sadly.
We can exhort and teach and all that, but unfortunately what I've seen is exhorts turn into indictments of that person, teaching turn into making examples of that person, support being taken away for making the wrong choice, and alternatives being shoved at people in the guise of forced counseling, of multi day waiting periods, of being made to read about the potential alternatives and all the things that could happen.
In Georgia, there are 3 counties out of 162 that have any clinics that provide abortions (Atlanta, Savannah, and Columbus). If you live outside those areas, you're going to have to take a very long drive, then come back another day to actually have the abortion, and you can't exactly drive yourself home after an abortion. So you need a taxi or someone to drive you. There are no overnight stays in an abortion clinic (that I'm aware of).
Abortions are difficult enough and traumatic enough, let alone making it even harder and making someone suffer more, just to make it clear how much people frown on someone for having one.
As a total aside there's a group that will justify outlawing abortion for all circumstances, including rape or incest or any other reason. We have a GA state congressman on record claiming that no one can get pregnant from rape, therefore all women who are pregnant must not have been raped and therefore there shouldn't be an exemption for rape since it's impossible to be raped and get pregnant.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:30:01pm |
re: #183 Sharmuta
I'm speechless. Who the hell gets offended at POOH?!
There's no way, if he's reading the original AA Milne stories.
If he's reading, however, anything by Disney based on their cartoon character. . . I still can't see it.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:30:11pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
Indoctrination! Brainwashing!
Glenn Beck: The Christmas Sweater Picture Book[Video]
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:31:07pm |
OT, prolly won't be here for the open thread later. You don't normally think of "Ted Nugent" and "exploratory improvisation" in the same sentence. But here's a clip from 1970, with him weaving a sonic tapestry with Mike Pinera, of "Ride Captain Ride fame. Lay this one aside for later, it's long.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:31:08pm |
re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't see the vid from here. What's wrong with Pooh? What does he say?
The vid is Glenn Beck, on the verge of tears, talking about how Pooh is sometimes such a poo that he has to skip pages in the story (! ! !)
So he's got his own book now, for children, one that doesn't offend his apparently very sensitive sensibilities.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:31:15pm |
re: #191 freetoken
Red shirt? A Taoist Maoist if there ever was one...
And one of his friends is a bouncing tiger. And some tigers come from Siberia, which is where? Russia! Clearly- he brainwashes his friends with his hypnotic bouncing and indoctrinates them with communist propaganda.
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theheat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:31:19pm |
re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Channeling Carnac the Magnificent: you are watching The Shining on AMC right this minute. There is a plate in front of you, with a piece of cake. A glass of milk, etc.
I see all.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:31:52pm |
re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't see the vid from here. What's wrong with Pooh? What does he say?
He skips reading pages in Pooh because Pooh is "being a poo".
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:01pm |
re: #200 Sharmuta
And one of his friends is a bouncing tiger. And some tigers come from Siberia, which is where? Russia! Clearly- he brainwashes his friends with his hypnotic bouncing and indoctrinates them with communist propaganda.
And there's Kanga and Roo but no father in sight!
Clearly not appropriate for children.
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theheat Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:28pm |
Sometimes, I think tigers bounce because they're full of teh ghey.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:34pm |
re: #200 Sharmuta
And the donkey... don't forget the donkey! We always knew the Democratic party was in with the Maoists.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:41pm |
re: #197 MandyManners
[Video]
Eeyore's wearing a pink bow on his tale. Secret homosexual message like the Teletubbies?
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:55pm |
re: #200 Sharmuta
And one of his friends is a bouncing tiger. And some tigers come from Siberia, which is where? Russia! Clearly- he brainwashes his friends with his hypnotic bouncing and indoctrinates them with communist propaganda.
Tigger is just a paper tiger, and Eeyore is a running-dog for counter-revolutionary defeatist elements.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:32:57pm |
re: #195 bloodstar
As a total aside there's a group that will justify outlawing abortion for all circumstances, including rape or incest or any other reason. We have a GA state congressman on record claiming that no one can get pregnant from rape, therefore all women who are pregnant must not have been raped and therefore there shouldn't be an exemption for rape since it's impossible to be raped and get pregnant.
God, that one goes back to the Renaissance, at least.
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SixDegrees Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:33:37pm |
re: #187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kind of off topic...
Casting Shelley Duvall in "The Shining" was brilliant. She was fantastic.
I don't understand why she is so overlooked...
Casting overall was great for that movie. Not surprising, given the director.
I especially liked Lloyd, the bartender.
Apparently, Stephen King hated the film, and to this day will not sign away badgering rights to films made from his books - which may be why they uniformly suck.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:33:54pm |
re: #202 Sharmuta
He skips reading pages in Pooh because Pooh is "being a poo".
“If the person you are talking to doesn't appear to be listening, be patient. It may simply be that he has a small piece of fluff in his ear.”
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wrenchwench Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34:10pm |
re: #195 bloodstar
As a total aside there's a group that will justify outlawing abortion for all circumstances, including rape or incest or any other reason. We have a GA state congressman on record claiming that no one can get pregnant from rape, therefore all women who are pregnant must not have been raped and therefore there shouldn't be an exemption for rape since it's impossible to be raped and get pregnant.
That's probably another reason for the anti-science attitude. Makes 'em look dumb.
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34:30pm |
or maybe...
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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DaddyG Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34:37pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
NOW I've heard everything. Who in the world has a problem with Pooh?!
Most husbands and fathers I know really dislike Pooh. That's why mothers change a disproportionate amount of diapers. /
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34:37pm |
Pooh eats honey which is made by a buncha' bees living and working communally. COMMIE!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:34:50pm |
re: #201 theheat
Ding for really close. Ice tea. Cheap store brand mac 'n cheese, sweet peas and mashed potatoes. The Shining just went off.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:35:10pm |
re: #199 reine.de.tout
The vid is Glenn Beck, on the verge of tears, talking about how Pooh is sometimes such a poo that he has to skip pages in the story (! ! !)
So he's got his own book now, for children, one that doesn't offend his apparently very sensitive sensibilities.
Maybe he's allergic to hunny.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:35:32pm |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
And there's Kanga and Roo but no father in sight!
Clearly not appropriate for children.
And I bet she's on welfare!
re: #205 freetoken
And the donkey... don't forget the donkey! We always knew the Democratic party was in with the Maoists.
And the Owl represents the elitist intellectuals!1! It all makes perfect sense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:35:40pm |
re: #199 reine.de.tout
The vid is Glenn Beck, on the verge of tears, talking about how Pooh is sometimes such a poo that he has to skip pages in the story (! ! !)
So he's got his own book now, for children, one that doesn't offend his apparently very sensitive sensibilities.
Oh. Well, glad to know he thinks his book is better than one of the undisputed classics of children's writing in English.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:36:31pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. Well, glad to know he thinks his book is better than one of the undisputed classics of children's writing in English.
Ain't that the truth!
Good grief.
Every couple of years I get out my very old copy of Winnie-the-Pooh and read it. I just love it.
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Sharmuta Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:37:57pm |
re: #210 jaunte
“If the person you are talking to doesn't appear to be listening, be patient. It may simply be that he has a small piece of fluff in his ear.”
The wisdom of Pooh is hard to deny.
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jaunte Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:38:07pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. Well, glad to know he thinks his book is better than one of the undisputed classics of children's writing in English.
Plot summary:
A 13-year-old boy is given a Christmas present by his single mother, the only thing she can afford: a sweater, which he scorns, having wanted a bicycle. He crumples the sweater into a ball and throws it on the floor of his room. When his mother dies in a freak car accident, Eddie is sent to live with his grandparents, with only the sweater to remember her by. Orphaned, bitter, angry and alone, Eddie is tormented by dreams of the way he treated his mother, until he meets someone who understands him: a next-door neighbor who may or may not actually exist. With Russell's help, Eddie is able to come to see the sweater as something that will stay with him for the rest of his life, and ultimately it teaches him that the true meaning of a gift is that it is given with love.
Oh, Henry.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:38:36pm |
re: #209 SixDegrees
Yeah. He was much more involved with the "made for tv" version starring that "Wings" guy.
It suckethed to every potential degree.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:39:36pm |
re: #184 iceweasel
All this bullshit would disappear in a day if it was men who had to carry a child for nine months and then deliver it in a painful and debilitating medical procedure. Of course then men would be women and women would be...
Uhh...where was I?...
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:39:55pm |
re: #203 reine.de.tout
And there's Kanga and Roo but no father in sight!
Clearly not appropriate for children.
I never read Disney stories to the kids...But I would read them stories about real life people...I always loved the Story of Wilma Rudolph...A hero of mine..
Just a little background:
EDUCATION: At first, Wilma was tutored at home by her family because she was crippled. She first began school at the age of seven. In 1947, the schools of the Southern states were segregated -- black students and white students had to attend separate schools. Even though blacks had to pay the same taxes as whites, the schools for black students were usually poorly funded, so they were less likely to have adequate books, teachers, classrooms, or equipment.
In junior high, Wilma followed her older sister Yolanda's example and joined the basketball team. The coach, Clinton Gray, didn't put her in a single game for three years. Finally, in her sophomore year, she became the starting guard. During the state basketball tournament, she was spotted by Ed Temple, the coach for the famous Tigerbells, the women's track team at Tennessee State University. Because Burt High School didn't have the funding for a track team, coach Temple invited Wilma to Tennessee State for a summer sports camp.
After graduating from high school, Wilma received a full scholarship to Tennessee State. Because of all the celebrity she received from her track career, she took a year off from her studies to make appearances and compete in international track events. She returned and received a Bachelor's degree in education, graduating in 1963.
We need more heros like Wilma...I read her entire book to them...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:40:27pm |
re: #217 Sharmuta
And the Owl represents the elitist intellectuals!1! It all makes perfect sense.
Wasn't that Animal Farm? Which is not as good a book as Winnie the Pooh?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:42:33pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:42:39pm |
re: #221 jaunte
Oh, Henry.
How very--nineteenth century. Well, let me put that down as a book that is NOT going in the Christmas box to my friends' children.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:44:03pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:44:39pm |
re: #224 HoosierHoops
I never read Disney stories to the kids...But I would read them stories about real life people...I always loved the Story of Wilma Rudolph...A hero of mine..
Just a little background:
EDUCATION: At first, Wilma was tutored at home by her family because she was crippled. She first began school at the age of seven. In 1947, the schools of the Southern states were segregated -- black students and white students had to attend separate schools. Even though blacks had to pay the same taxes as whites, the schools for black students were usually poorly funded, so they were less likely to have adequate books, teachers, classrooms, or equipment.In junior high, Wilma followed her older sister Yolanda's example and joined the basketball team. The coach, Clinton Gray, didn't put her in a single game for three years. Finally, in her sophomore year, she became the starting guard. During the state basketball tournament, she was spotted by Ed Temple, the coach for the famous Tigerbells, the women's track team at Tennessee State University. Because Burt High School didn't have the funding for a track team, coach Temple invited Wilma to Tennessee State for a summer sports camp.
After graduating from high school, Wilma received a full scholarship to Tennessee State. Because of all the celebrity she received from her track career, she took a year off from her studies to make appearances and compete in international track events. She returned and received a Bachelor's degree in education, graduating in 1963.
We need more heros like Wilma...I read her entire book to them...
HH - Every Christmas I would get a couple of books, and one was always a biography of some sort.
But honestly - if you've never read Winnie-the-Pooh - the original - get a copy and read it. It's just magical (or was to me - I kept an image of the 100 acre wood in my head the entire time I read the book, and would picture each place during each scene - I loved it).
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:46:15pm |
re: #200 Sharmuta
And one of his friends is a bouncing tiger. And some tigers come from Siberia, which is where? Russia! Clearly- he brainwashes his friends with his hypnotic bouncing and indoctrinates them with communist propaganda.
Oh, the wonderful thing about tiggers, is tiggers are wonderful things. Their tops are made out of rubber, their bottoms are made out of springs, their bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, bouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, but the most wonderful thing about tigger is, that I'm Mao's only son!
Just look at the original lyrics before they were cleaned up during the McCarthy hearings!!11!!!
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Randall Gross Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:47:00pm |
In case anyone's wondering about downdings, there's no need to sound so callous towards an issue that's split both the left and right, and torn many families because it concerns life and death. That indifference coupled with defenses of George Will creates a certain smell. One I haven't seen in awhile.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:47:10pm |
Mr. Terry's psych meds need some serious updating.
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Pepper Fox Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:56:32pm |
I bet the Fire Marshall would just love this.
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Right Brain Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:56:34pm |
Randall Terry certainly looks a lot less nerdy than he used to.
[Link: www.operationrescuetheft.com...]
Guess he had a make over.
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webevintage Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:56:43pm |
I promise you, if anyone is going to burn in hell in a tiny little room reserved just for them it will be Terry Randall.
Bastard.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 2:59:43pm |
re: #207 Guanxi88
Tigger is just a paper tiger, and Eeyore is a running-dog for counter-revolutionary defeatist elements.
Ya know, that's a term that meeds broader use: "running-dog."
One of my proudest days in the abject servitude that has been my second gig was when I learned that my Chinese co-workers had taken to using that as my nickname. "Zou gou" it turns out, is what they call me when they need to speak about me in my presence.
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Guanxi88 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 3:00:21pm |
re: #235 webevintage
I promise you, if anyone is going to burn in hell in a tiny little room reserved just for them it will be Terry Randall.
Bastard.
Motel 666 left a light on for him.
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MandyManners Mon, Oct 26, 2009 3:01:22pm |
re: #234 Right Brain
Randall Terry certainly looks a lot less nerdy than he used to.
[Link: www.operationrescuetheft.com...]
Guess he had a make over.
It's not Terry in the video.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Oct 26, 2009 3:25:43pm |
For some reason this makes me think of what passes for "university" students in Afghanistan demonstrating against alleged Koran violations, again.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:27:18pm |
re: #151 SixDegrees
Safe, Legal and Rare - could not agree more.
However - until the Social Conservative policy makers start being Pro-Child rather than just Pro-Foetus the apparatus for coping with those carried to term is going to be limited. They don't want to fund HHS, hell, at the moment they don't even want to approve nominees.
For a comprehensive Pro-Child stratergy - mothers should get better prenatal and post natal care, there should be a free preschool place for every single child if the mother is too poor, there needs to be a massive uptick in fostering and adopting families - absolutely all of which takes money. None of which the Social Conservatives in congress would fund because - even though it would save childrens lives - it would increase the deficit/not be enough/be government over reach. There is an absolutist position among the "ideologically pure" that it's repeal of Roe entirely that is the only possible answer to ending abortion full stop.
Those ideologically thouroughbreds are egged on by the Media types who profess abhorrence of all abortion under all circumstances - but who would none theless get any of their Daughters to a private clinic as soon as possible after a rape.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Oct 26, 2009 5:53:04pm |
re: #196 reine.de.tout
There's no way, if he's reading the original AA Milne stories.
If he's reading, however, anything by Disney based on their cartoon character. . . I still can't see it.
There is a Pooh criticism collection from the '60s, The Pooh Perplex.
It includes a Marxist "understanding", but the whole book is a
delightful sendup of academic humbuggery.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:53:06pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
I like the seasonal ring of pumpkins.
Speaking of pumpkins, COSTCO (usually) sells pumpkin cheesecake this time of year. Yummy.
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nanook37 Mon, Oct 26, 2009 8:02:16pm |
re: #244 eclectic infidel
Speaking of pumpkins, COSTCO (usually) sells pumpkin cheesecake this time of year. Yummy.
Go to epicurious.com and make your own - cheesecakes are easy to make (particularly with a good (>$30) springform pan and a water bath.
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spoosmith Tue, Oct 27, 2009 6:21:31am |
re: #195 bloodstar
As a total aside there's a group that will justify outlawing abortion for all circumstances, including rape or incest or any other reason. We have a GA state congressman on record claiming that no one can get pregnant from rape, therefore all women who are pregnant must not have been raped and therefore there shouldn't be an exemption for rape since it's impossible to be raped and get pregnant.
That made my head hurt.
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