Anti-Gay CA Republican: ‘I’m Gay’

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Remember the story last week about California State Senator Roy Ashburn, the Republican “family values” anti-gay politician who was arrested for driving drunk after leaving a Sacramento gay nightclub with an “unidentified male?”

Well, today, Ashburn uncloseted himself: Capitol Alert: Sen. Roy Ashburn: ‘I’m gay’.

“I’m gay,” Ashburn told KERN radio host Inga Barks in an interview this morning. “Those are the words that have been so difficult for me for so long.”

“For so long” is right; for years Ashburn voted against every gay rights bill that crossed his desk, while carrying on a secret gay lifestyle. His excuse:

Ashburn said on the radio show: “My votes reflect the wishes of the people in my district. I have always felt that my faith and allegiance was to the people, there, in the district, my constituents. And so as each of these individual measures came before the Legislature I cast ‘no’ votes, usually ‘no’ votes, because the measures were … almost always acknowledging rights or assigning identification to homosexual persons.”

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439 comments
1 silentbob27  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:26:22pm

I wonder if he ever lost any sleep over his voting record

2 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:26:26pm

Kind of makes one wonder what the missus said to him the past week or so.

3 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:26:37pm

Well, congratulations to him for finally accepting who he is, but I’m still pretty miffed about the DWI… and condolences to his family who he’s been lying to all these years.

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:26:51pm

re: #2 darthstar

Kind of makes one wonder what the missus said to him the past week or so.

Turns out he’s divorced. I wonder why?

5 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:27:32pm

Someone has to come up with a name for this frequent condition.

6 researchok  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:27:46pm

re: #4 Charles

Turns out he’s divorced. I wonder why?

Dereliction of duty.

7 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:28:04pm

re: #1 silentbob27

self-reflection usually isn’t part of the program.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:28:09pm

What a strange, twisted existence to live.

I hope he finds some peace now. I’m glad he was able to say it.

I have little forgiveness for votes that persecute gay people, whether the person voting that way is doing so because they think their constituents want it or any other reason, though.

9 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:29:00pm

re: #5 Thanos

Someone has to come up with a name for this frequent condition.

We can call it the Ted Haggard Syndrome.

10 researchok  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:29:34pm

re: #8 Obdicut

What a strange, twisted existence to live.

I hope he finds some peace now. I’m glad he was able to say it.

I have little forgiveness for votes that persecute gay people, whether the person voting that way is doing so because they think their constituents want it or any other reason, though.

That’s the self hatred thing, in fact. That more than anything else is the biggest tragedy.

11 [deleted]  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:29:58pm
12 Locker  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:30:02pm

Not at all surprising to be honest. Too bad he had to get DUI before he’d come out.

13 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:30:09pm

re: #9 Gus 802

I vote we get Dan Savage to name it. He’s good with the names, that one

14 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:30:11pm

This story is an example of how homophobia, not homosexuality, is the really dangerous perverting force.

15 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:30:19pm

Well, he must have had enough tap dancing around the issue over the weekend…

But a similar imbroglio in New York is netting a slightly different outcome. Eric Massa has resigned today in NY. The NY Democrat was busy claiming that he had health issues (cancer), and that’s why he’s stepping down, but apparently the Administration was pressuring him to quit or else face a sexual harassment scandal from a male staffer because he wasn’t voting the way they wanted on the health care bills.

And Massa will go on Beck to get his licks in on Rahm Emanuel, who he thinks is responsible. Massa was one of the guys who came out after being elected in 2008 that he’d vote for and demand single payer even if his constituents didn’t want it. He was the kind of vote that Obama needed to convince that this was just the first step down that road - not that the change in health care funding wasn’t needed. He was further to the left of where Obama wanted to be. So they forced him out?

And Massa claims that Emanuel confronted him in a shower area buck naked (no word on where that occurred - the House gym perhaps?)

Steny Hoyer, who was also hit for scorn, calls Massa a liar.

16 Locker  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:31:19pm

re: #14 Spare O’Lake

This story is an example of how homophobia, not homosexuality, is the really dangerous perverting force.

Abso…freaking…lutely.

17 Kragar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:31:34pm

re: #4 Charles

Turns out he’s divorced. I wonder why?

He never did the dishes?

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:31:46pm

re: #5 Thanos

Someone has to come up with a name for this frequent condition.

Closeted Until Photographed? (CUP for short.)

He’s a Cuppie.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:32:03pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He never did the dishes?

Is that what kids are calling it these days?

(I couldn’t resist, sorry.)

20 RoughRider  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:32:41pm
Ashburn said on the radio show: “My votes reflect the wishes of the people in my district. I have always felt that my faith and allegiance was to the people, there, in the district, my constituents.”

No comment about Ashburn’s particular situation, but we could use some of that in DC.

21 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:32:54pm

re: #15 lawhawk

How were Massa’s votes on gay rights, though?

And why do you believe Massa’s statements about the administration pressuring him to quit over the health care vote?

22 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:33:02pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Closeted Until Photographed? (CUP for short.)

He’s a Cuppie.

That sounds like a name for a fan of 2G1C.

If you don’t know what that is, don’t look for it. Some things just can’t be… unseen.

23 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:33:24pm

This guy reminds me of Tobias Funke from Arrested Development.

24 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:33:26pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Closeted Until Photographed? (CUP for short.)

He’s a Cuppie.

It’s not just the closeted part that I’m referring to - its’ that sad condition where they back something that they are really opposed to … e.g. these pro family values guys…

25 abbyadams  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:33:26pm

re: #15 lawhawk

I have been following this case closely. It’s bizarre.

His district is where I have vacationed every summer of my entire life. It is a fairly conservative district, largely rural. I don’t think anyone was shocked about his vote on healthcare. Something smells really bad here, in my opinion.

26 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:33:36pm

“You scrub my back and I’ll scrub yours” takes on a whole new meaning in Washinton these days.

27 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:34:27pm

re: #15 lawhawk

First he had that weird wedding story, and then an even weirder Navy roomate story. And now we have Rahm Emanuel in the shower.

Something isn’t adding up.
Oh, and he’s going on Glenn Beck tomorrow.

28 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:34:42pm

re: #15 lawhawk

the more massa says the worse it sounds. for him, that is.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

In the same radio monologue in which he admitted telling a male staffer, “what I really ought to be doing is fracking you,” Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) defiantly recounted a misconduct allegation from his past that arose after he walked in on a Navy roommate masturbating.

29 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:35:04pm

re: #25 abbyadams

I have been following this case closely. It’s bizarre.

His district is where I have vacationed every summer of my entire life. It is a fairly conservative district, largely rural. I don’t think anyone was shocked about his vote on healthcare. Something smells really bad here, in my opinion.

Something stinks and it’s Massa.

30 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:35:13pm

re: #27 erraticsphinx

First he had that weird wedding story, and then an even weirder Navy roomate story. And now we have Rahm Emanuel in the shower.

Something isn’t adding up.
Oh, and he’s going on Glenn Beck tomorrow.

Are you saying that Rahm doesn’t shower? /

31 Locker  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:35:17pm

re: #23 Mad Al-Jaffee

This guy reminds me of Tobias Funke from Arrested Development.

I wonder if he was wearing cutoffs under his suit.

32 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:35:49pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Closeted Until Photographed? (CUP for short.)

He’s a Cuppie.

In my opinion closeted gay politicians are among the most pitiable human beings around, and so I tend to cut them a lot more slack than usual.

33 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:36:01pm

re: #31 Locker

I wonder if he was wearing cutoffs under his suit.

“There are DOZENS of us!”

34 ryannon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:36:32pm

re: #5 Thanos

Someone has to come up with a name for this frequent condition.

Denial.

35 abbyadams  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:36:37pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Couldn’t agree more.

36 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:36:42pm

re: #15 lawhawk

That one is making the rounds today. I haven’t been following closely but I suspect he’s lashing out over the embarrassment he’s suffered recently. If his claims were credible he wouldn’t be going on Glenn Beck. I suspect it’s probably like Blago and other disgraced politicians, only this time Fox is going to give him a platform and hold him up as an example of Obama’s evil corruption. I’d be surprised if any of his accusations turn out to be true.

37 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:36:49pm

re: #4 Charles

Turns out he’s divorced. I wonder why?


At least we don’t have to put up with watching the ‘stand by your man’ humiliation that most politicians’ wives are forced to endure.

38 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:37:04pm

re: #30 DaddyG

Lol.

But seriously……”he poked me in the shower and yelled at me for voting the wrong” .

Ewwwwwwww, at the mental picture.

39 abbyadams  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:37:13pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Adding, hence the shower story.
/

40 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:37:35pm

re: #21 Obdicut

I don’t. The whole situation reeks.

Emanuel isn’t exactly known for being subtle. And the Administration needs a win here - and Massa was in a vulnerable position. There is some logic to forcing him out to make it easier to pass the health care bill, even though Massa’s statements on health care are the kind that would support single payer - much further than where the Administration is publicly willing to go at the moment.

41 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:38:05pm

I’ll be avoiding public restrooms and showers in the DC area from now on. Not that I’m homophobic… I’ve just had my fill of being screwed by politicians already. /

42 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:38:47pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Massa must be auditioning for the ‘liberal’ position on Fox news…Colmes is probably nervous about his job now.

43 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:39:06pm

re: #41 DaddyG

I’ll be avoiding public restrooms and showers in the DC area from now on. Not that I’m homophobic… I’ve just had my fill of being screwed by politicians already. /

Thread Winner!

44 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:39:35pm

re: #41 DaddyG

I’ll be avoiding public restrooms and showers in the DC area from now on. Not that I’m homophobic… I’ve just had my fill of being screwed by politicians already. /

You actually go to public showers?

45 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:39:43pm

re: #40 lawhawk

I don’t. The whole situation reeks.

Then you might now want to state that the administration was apparently pressuring him to resign over the health care vote, which you did actually say.

Here is what you said:

The NY Democrat was busy claiming that he had health issues (cancer), and that’s why he’s stepping down, but apparently the Administration was pressuring him to quit or else face a sexual harassment scandal from a male staffer because he wasn’t voting the way they wanted on the health care bills.

How is it ‘apparent’?

46 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:39:53pm

re: #40 lawhawk

I don’t. The whole situation reeks.

Emanuel isn’t exactly known for being subtle. And the Administration needs a win here - and Massa was in a vulnerable position. There is some logic to forcing him out to make it easier to pass the health care bill, even though Massa’s statements on health care are the kind that would support single payer - much further than where the Administration is publicly willing to go at the moment.

massa’s replacement is also likely to vote against the bill, so his explanation does not hold much water

47 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:09pm

re: #41 DaddyG

I’ll be avoiding public restrooms and showers in the DC area from now on. Not that I’m homophobic… I’ve just had my fill of being screwed by politicians already. /

If you must for Gawd sakes don’t take a wide stance or wave your hands under the stall!

48 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:29pm

Hey afternoon Lizards!

not here for long, just came by for an update.

What’s up?

49 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:31pm

re: #45 Obdicut

Might now = might not. Apologies.

50 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:38pm

re: #29 iceweasel

Something stinks and it’s Massa.

Massa is about to face ethics investigation regarding sexual harassment charges and days later resigns blaming it on cancer. Further blames it on “political correctness” of the complainant. Days later he further move the goal posts by turning all attention to Rahm Emanuel. Claims he was “set-up.”

Film @ 11.

51 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:56pm

re: #28 zora

the more massa says the worse it sounds. for him, that is.

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

In the same radio monologue in which he admitted telling a male staffer, “what I really ought to be doing is fracking you,” Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) defiantly recounted a misconduct allegation from his past that arose after he walked in on a Navy roommate masturbating.

I didn’t know Massa was from Caprica.

52 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:57pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I saw a story yesterday that he blamed it on Rush and Glenn.

He’s blaming everybody… but… ummm… can’t think of it…

53 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:40:59pm

I’d give Massa the 24 hour rule. If it isn’t true it will implode quickly. If there is some truth to being pressured out that will tell with time too.

I wouldn’t want to be in the position of defending the White House tactics on the Health Care bill or Massa’s recent statements.

54 abbyadams  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:41:24pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

Ding! Like I said, it’s a pretty conservative area. The Dems can’t expect to get someone in there that’s will guarantee a vote for health care.

55 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:41:35pm

re: #43 RogueOne

Thread Winner!

In Illinois, politicans all share the showers in prison.

56 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:42:22pm

re: #44 darthstar

You actually go to public showers?

Only at campgrounds- even then I wear flip flops. The risk of athletes foot is too great.

57 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:42:33pm

re: #32 Spare O’Lake

In my opinion closeted gay politicians are among the most pitiable human beings around, and so I tend to cut them a lot more slack than usual.

Now Barney Frank…that’s a horse of a different colour.
*cue Wizard of Oz munchkin scene*

58 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:42:37pm

re: #41 DaddyG

I’ll be avoiding public restrooms and showers in the DC area from now on. Not that I’m homophobic… I’ve just had my fill of being screwed by politicians already. /

One word. Win.

+1

59 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:43:07pm

re: #15 lawhawk

But a similar imbroglio in New York is netting a slightly different outcome. Eric Massa has resigned today in NY. The NY Democrat was busy claiming that he had health issues (cancer), and that’s why he’s stepping down, but apparently the Administration was pressuring him to quit or else face a sexual harassment scandal from a male staffer because he wasn’t voting the way they wanted on the health care bills.

Massa seems to be claiming that he resigned without knowing the contents of the harassment allegation (which makes you wonder what indecent he thought the harassment complaint concerned which motivated him enough to quit), but also his evidence for the conspiracy theory that he was setup and forced out seems to be based on his reading blog posts and news articles that pointed out his resignation made healthcare easier to pass. So, “it looks suspicious” seems to be his evidence.

60 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:43:12pm

re: #32 Spare O’Lake

In my opinion closeted gay politicians are among the most pitiable human beings around, and so I tend to cut them a lot more slack than usual.

yep!

I have a hard time with this one tho.

No reason for a politican in CA to be closeted —at least for public reasons.

61 abbyadams  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:43:12pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

What’s really terrible is he did make a stand against fracking. If that is to start in the Finger Lakes Region, it’s going to be terribly destructive.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:43:23pm

Here in Texas (and quite probably elsewhere) many rural high schools have a characteristic and highly informal “initiation ceremony” for boys. This is usually administered to ninth graders and, though I won’t share details, it is usually very degrading and includes some obvious homo-erotic elements. It is part of their flimsy local “tradition,” basically a kind of debased right of passage. It is against the law, btw, but most authorities, even now, take a wink and nod toward it so long as nobody is killed or seriously injured.
This same demogrphic, rural high school boys, is notorious for supplying most of the violent gay-bashers in this part of the world. That, too, is a tradition in the Texas yahoo culture. Coincidence? I think not.

63 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:44:00pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

That one is making the rounds today. I haven’t been following closely but I suspect he’s lashing out over the embarrassment he’s suffered recently. If his claims were credible he wouldn’t be going on Glenn Beck. I suspect it’s probably like Blago and other disgraced politicians, only this time Fox is going to give him a platform and hold him up as an example of Obama’s evil corruption. I’d be surprised if any of his accusations turn out to be true.

I like the homoerotic confrontation between him and Rahm in the shower though.

64 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:44:03pm

re: #53 DaddyG

I don’t think the shower thing really counts as “forcing him out of his seat”.
*shudder at thought, again*

Also, his claims of being set up would again hold more weight if

1) They made any sense

2) He didn’t seem to have a history of really strange homoerotic stories.

65 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:44:14pm

Rabid Beck-a-like ‘Molotov Mitchell’ from WND’s teen wingnut department with an amazingly insane pro-Ugandan gay death penalty rant :

Youtube Video

But it’s ok, he’s got “gay friends” :

Youtube Video
66 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:44:54pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Massa is about to face ethics investigation regarding sexual harassment charges and days later resigns blaming it on cancer. Further blames it on “political correctness” of the complainant. Days later he further move the goal posts by turning all attention to Rahm Emanuel. Claims he was “set-up.”

Film @ 11.

The Rahm deflection and the ZOMG DEMS SET ME UP HEALTH CAAAARE! guarantees him a ton of exposure for the coming weeks on the wingnut circuit.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he lands a gig as a special correspondent for Fox covering HCR for a while. Seriously.

67 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:44:57pm

Oh look, washingtonpost.com says one thing, talkingpointsmemo.com has a completely different take on it. What a surprise.

68 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:45:01pm

I hope they cover this on Red Eye some time this week. They’ll have a field day with it.

69 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:45:04pm

re: #48 ggt

Hey afternoon Lizards!

not here for long, just came by for an update.

What’s up?

Breaking news: Rahm showers naked.

70 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:45:16pm

re: #56 DaddyG

Only at campgrounds- even then I wear flip flops. The risk of athletes foot is too great.

That’s why I sport these when I hit the campground.

71 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:45:28pm

Good for him for giving up the lie, it must be excruciating to live like that, but he needs to be seriously stepped on for the DUI.

72 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:45:58pm

re: #69 Jadespring

Breaking news: Rahm showers naked.

Who’d a thunk?

73 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:46:17pm

re: #53 DaddyG

I’d give Massa the 24 hour rule. If it isn’t true it will implode quickly. If there is some truth to being pressured out that will tell with time too.

I wouldn’t want to be in the position of defending the White House tactics on the Health Care bill or Massa’s recent statements.

The odd thing is how this is going down. He gets caught in a ethics violation and the Dems pressure him to step down. A few days later it’s cancer and the GOP defends him in spite of all the whining about ethics because they want his No vote, ethics be damned. .

74 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:46:31pm

re: #66 iceweasel

The Rahm deflection and the ZOMG DEMS SET ME UP HEALTH CAAARE! guarantees him a ton of exposure for the coming weeks on the wingnut circuit.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he lands a gig as a special correspondent for Fox covering HCR for a while. Seriously.

Is he really going to be on the Glenn Beck Variety Hour? I have him pictured for Greta Van Susteren.

75 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:46:40pm

re: #40 lawhawk

I don’t. The whole situation reeks.

Emanuel isn’t exactly known for being subtle. And the Administration needs a win here - and Massa was in a vulnerable position. There is some logic to forcing him out to make it easier to pass the health care bill, even though Massa’s statements on health care are the kind that would support single payer - much further than where the Administration is publicly willing to go at the moment.

What were the details of the charges against him?

76 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:46:59pm

re: #69 Jadespring

Breaking news: Rahm showers naked.

I’m reminded of this quote (unfortunately I don’t know who to attribute it to) “We’re all naked… under our clothes.”

77 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:47:06pm

re: #74 Gus 802

according to the washington independent, he is.

78 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:47:26pm

re: #77 zora

according to the washington independent, he is.

Just check. Tomorrow. For the full hour.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:47:43pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

If you must for Gawd sakes don’t take a wide stance or wave your hands under the stall!

In general, men’s restrooms seem to operate by a very complicated set of rules.

80 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:47:50pm

re: #76 MrSilverDragon

I’m reminded of this quote (unfortunately I don’t know who to attribute it to) “We’re all naked… under our clothes.”

My cousin used to be in a band called “Born Naked.”

81 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:47:55pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Checked that is. Having typing problems here. Damn flu/cold thing.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:48:57pm

re: #76 MrSilverDragon

I’m reminded of this quote (unfortunately I don’t know who to attribute it to) “We’re all naked… under our clothes.”

Yeah, I remember that every time I watch the Fox anchor-babes.
News? What news?

83 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:49:03pm

Glenn Beck Exclusive: Massa on Tuesday

March 8, 2010 - 14:20 ET

Tomorrow at 5p ET: Congressman Massa for the full hour. I just spoke with him off air. All Americans need To hear him. Exclusive tomorrow on Fox News.

84 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:49:03pm

re: #75 cliffster


sexual harrassment. this is what he says happened.

“One of them looked at me and as they would do after, I don’t know, 15 gin and tonics, and goodness only knows how many bottles of champagne, a staff member made an intonation to me that maybe I should be chasing after the bridesmaid and his points were clear and his words were far more colorful than that. And I grabbed the staff member sitting next to me and said, ‘Well, what I really ought to be doing is fracking you.’ And then [I] tossled the guy’s hair and left, went to my room, because I knew the party was getting to a point where it wasn’t right for me to be there. Now was that inappropriate of me? Absolutely. Am I guilty? Yes.”

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

85 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:49:36pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

In general, men’s restrooms seem to operate by a very complicated set of rules.

Yeah, In the ladies it’s so simple. You go in, choose a stall, pee, leave the stall, wash your hands, fix your lipstick and leave.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:49:49pm

re: #84 zora

sexual harrassment. this is what he says happened.

“One of them looked at me and as they would do after, I don’t know, 15 gin and tonics, and goodness only knows how many bottles of champagne, a staff member made an intonation to me that maybe I should be chasing after the bridesmaid and his points were clear and his words were far more colorful than that. And I grabbed the staff member sitting next to me and said, ‘Well, what I really ought to be doing is fracking you.’ And then [I] tossled the guy’s hair and left, went to my room, because I knew the party was getting to a point where it wasn’t right for me to be there. Now was that inappropriate of me? Absolutely. Am I guilty? Yes.”

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

That’s just weird.

87 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:00pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

In general, men’s restrooms seem to operate by a very complicated set of rules.

My favorite men’s room moment was as a young analyst for a fortune 100 company (past life). The Executive VP of our $5 Billion division came in and lines up in the stall next to me. He was in a cold sweat and told me: “we need to fix this… someone needs to fix this. Kevin- what can you do to fix this?”

The layoffs began a week later.

88 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:17pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Glenn Beck Exclusive: Massa on Tuesday

March 8, 2010 - 14:20 ET

Tomorrow at 5p ET: Congressman Massa for the full hour. I just spoke with him off air. All Americans need To hear him. Exclusive tomorrow on Fox News.

Wingnut career prepared to launch. Systems are GO!!1!

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:20pm

re: #85 ggt

Yeah, In the ladies it’s so simple. You go in, choose a stall, pee, leave the stall, wash your hands, fix your lipstick and leave.

I have absolutely no idea how to signal to the lady in the next stall that I would be up for an illicit quickie.

Nor do I want to know.

90 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:25pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel

Good for him for giving up the lie, it must be excruciating to live like that, but he needs to be seriously stepped on for the DUI.

He only gave up the lie when he was caught, he maintained it because that’s the only thing a gay Republican can do if he/she wants to serve. It must be hard to bash the lifestyle you embrace to be thought of as a conservative.

91 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:52pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Glenn Beck Exclusive: Massa on Tuesday

March 8, 2010 - 14:20 ET

Tomorrow at 5p ET: Congressman Massa for the full hour. I just spoke with him off air. All Americans need To hear him. Exclusive tomorrow on Fox News.


Bewaaaare Glen- there be monsters here!

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:51:59pm

re: #87 DaddyG

My favorite men’s room moment was as a young analyst for a fortune 100 company (past life). The Executive VP of our $5 Billion division came in and lines up in the stall next to me. He was in a cold sweat and told me: “we need to fix this… someone needs to fix this. Kevin- what can you do to fix this?”

The layoffs began a week later.

What, he was too good to wait?

93 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:52:00pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Glenn Beck Exclusive: Massa on Tuesday

March 8, 2010 - 14:20 ET

Tomorrow at 5p ET: Congressman Massa for the full hour. I just spoke with him off air. All Americans need To hear him. Exclusive tomorrow on Fox News.

I have other things I need to do during that time frame, like banging my head repeatedly against a concrete wall, or eating glass.

94 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:52:39pm

re: #84 zora

Hmm, that certainly lends credence to the strong-arming theory. I wouldn’t exactly call that story worthy of any investigator’s time.

95 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:53:15pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I have absolutely no idea how to signal to the lady in the next stall that I would be up for an illicit quickie.

Nor do I want to know.

You’re not alone. I’ve managed to visit public men’s rooms my entire life without knowing anything at all about a Gay Foot Tapping Code.

Should I be offended?

96 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:53:27pm

re: #90 avanti

He only gave up the lie when he was caught, he maintained it because that’s the only thing a gay Republican can do if he/she wants to serve. It must be hard to bash the lifestyle you embrace to be thought of as a conservative.

I don’t think that is true in every constituency.

97 DaddyG  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:53:30pm

re: #85 ggt

Yeah, In the ladies it’s so simple. You go in, choose a stall, pee, leave the stall, wash your hands, fix your lipstick and leave.


It’s easier to know what to do when you are with a large group. /

98 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:53:32pm

re: #84 zora

I think Republican strategists attempting to divert attention by focusing on Massa are going to be severely disappointed by what they get out of it.

It also doesn’t approach the level of hypocrisy of Ashburn.

His defense of his votes seems stranger and stranger in retrospect, since he said he was doing it out of some respect for his constituents— who he didn’t respect enough to tell that he was gay.

99 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:54:24pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

In general, men’s restrooms seem to operate by a very complicated set of rules.

it’s funny because it’s true…

100 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:01pm

re: #88 iceweasel

Wingnut career prepared to launch. Systems are GO!!1!

Massa could make a deal to switch parties so the GOP gets the no vote and a gets gay Representative with some minor ethics baggage.

101 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:03pm

Weren’t we having an argument the other day when this topic came up that straight, religious, married men with children do not hang out in gay bars?

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:04pm

re: #69 Jadespring

Breaking news: Rahm showers naked.

ZOMG!

103 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:31pm

re: #88 iceweasel

Wingnut career prepared to launch. Systems are GO!!1!

Nuh uh ,,, don’t pawn Massa off on us,,, he’s one of “yours”, voted for by the good people (democrats) of New Yorks 29th district ,,

He was even on Wesley Clarks Presidential campaign team

Nuh uh ,,,no way ,”we” have enough of our own ,, he’s ALLL yours!!

/ :)

104 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:31pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I have absolutely no idea how to signal to the lady in the next stall that I would be up for an illicit quickie.

Nor do I want to know.

You ask if she can spare a square.

105 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:55:46pm

re: #85 ggt

Yeah, In the ladies it’s so simple. You go in, choose a stall, pee, leave the stall, wash your hands, fix your lipstick and leave.

Don’t forget checking to be sure that you:

Don’t have anything tucked in that shouldn’t be.
Have everything tucked in that should be.
Have everything buttoned.
Have nothing in your teeth.
Have nothing stuck to the bottom of your shoe.

None of this requires interacting with other people.

(Now as a mother, I have spent years standing outside bathroom stalls interacting with “people.” Are you done? Do you need help? It fell where?)

106 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:56:13pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

I have absolutely no idea how to signal to the lady in the next stall that I would be up for an illicit quickie.

Nor do I want to know.

Well I’m going to show you anyway so you better grab the eye-bleach, slip one of these under the partition. See, that wasn’t so bad.

107 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:56:15pm

re: #88 iceweasel

Wingnut career prepared to launch. Systems are GO!!1!

M.A.S.S.A.

Menage
à trois
Sleazy
Slimy
Alien

108 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:56:24pm

re: #95 SixDegrees

You’re not alone. I’ve managed to visit public men’s rooms my entire life without knowing anything at all about a Gay Foot Tapping Code.

Should I be offended?

i think that the “dude’s book for bathroom etiquette” states that all foot-tapping is banned. although i have the New King James version//

109 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:56:33pm

re: #98 Obdicut

I think Republican strategists attempting to divert attention by focusing on Massa are going to be severely disappointed by what they get out of it.

It also doesn’t approach the level of hypocrisy of Ashburn.

His defense of his votes seems stranger and stranger in retrospect, since he said he was doing it out of some respect for his constituents— who he didn’t respect enough to tell that he was gay.

Many probably didn’t want to know.

Most of the homophobes I know, don’t really care what people do in the bed room, they just don’t want to know about it or have it pushed on them. I don’t know any who are the “kill the fag” types. I think people have accepted that gay people exist and have rights, they just aren’t ready to have gay people over for dinner.

110 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:56:59pm

re: #95 SixDegrees

You’re not alone. I’ve managed to visit public men’s rooms my entire life without knowing anything at all about a Gay Foot Tapping Code.

Should I be offended?

I agree.. I have never been hit on in a Men’s bathroom…
And as Good looking as I am? That’s Bullshit!
*wink*

111 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:57:35pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s just weird.

Massa also recounted a Navy story of a similar misunderstanding :o. The audio is here:

The incident occurred during Desert Storm when Massa, who served for 24 years in the Navy, was based on a ship in the Persian Gulf. He was assigned to watch duty, Massa said on the radio show Sunday. One day, Massa came back early to the small room he shared with another crew member.

“I arrived back early from that and opened the door and — not to put quite a light on it — but the other gentleman was busy remembering his spouse. And I’ll let your imaginations run wild,” Massa said.

“I walked in and instead of embarrassing him I smacked him on the leg and said, ‘you need any help with that, let me know.’ And I went to bed. And he was so hideously embarrassed, he moved out of the state room, because he couldn’t take it. Ladies and gentleman, we had been at sea for four months.”

“You literally can’t move two people in that room … without getting into each others knickers,” Massa noted, adding that both he and his roommate were both married at the time.

112 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:57:50pm

re: #104 marjoriemoon

Or,

“Hey, want my cat?”

113 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:58:00pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

I agree.. I have never been hit on in a Men’s bathroom…
And as Good looking as I am? That’s Bullshit!
*wink*

Hey! Did that guy just wink at me?

114 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #95 SixDegrees

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

The ONLY “rules” I observe in public mens rooms

Look straight down into your own urinal
flush
wash hands
leave

115 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:58:33pm

re: #101 marjoriemoon

Weren’t we having an argument the other day when this topic came up that straight, religious, married men with children do not hang out in gay bars?

well…i have. let me amend: AFAIK, straight religious married men with children do not hang out in gay bars without their wives.

…which still fits our homeboy’s predicament perfectly…

116 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:58:39pm

re: #94 cliffster

i think it was reported by someone at the event. a third party according to massa. the thing is: if it was a woman he said this to and then tossled her hair. most would agree that it was harassment. massa definitely has a problem with boundaries. he got in trouble years ago for “jokingly” offering to help a bunkmate masturbate back in his navy days. if he would have referenced the healthcare vote as the reason for his removal initially, he would be more believable.

117 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:59:11pm

re: #113 SixDegrees

Hey! Did that guy just wink at me?

with which eye !?!?!?!

118 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:59:13pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

The ONLY “rules” I observe in public mens rooms

Look straight down into your own urinal
flush
wash hands
leave

Another important rule, do NOT start, or respond to, a conversation during “business”.

119 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:59:37pm

This thread should be titled: Everything you wanted to know about public bathroom sex but were afraid (or it never even freaking occurred to you) to ask.

120 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 12:59:38pm

re: #109 ggt

I think people have accepted that gay people exist and have rights, they just aren’t ready to have gay people over for dinner.

I guess you missed Prop 8, then?

And given that we do elect people based on their lifestyle, personalities, and other human errata, I do think that most people want to ‘know’. I don’t think it’s right that they want to know, but I do think most people seek out information that really should be irrelevant, like sexuality, family relations, medical history, etc.

121 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:04pm

re: #116 zora

i think it was reported by someone at the event. a third party according to massa. the thing is: if it was a woman he said this to and then tossled her hair. most would agree that it was harassment. massa definitely has a problem with boundaries. he got in trouble years ago for “jokingly” offering to help a bunkmate masturbate back in his navy days. if he would have referenced the healthcare vote as the reason for his removal initially, he would be more believable.

I’ll agree with that.

122 Summer Seale  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:05pm

Amazing how many of these guys in the last few years have turned out to be closet, self-hating, gay men themselves.

I think the whole anti-gay community really needs some serious self-reflection for a while before they open their maws again.

123 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:06pm

re: #105 EmmmieG

None of this requires interacting with other people

Then why travel to the bathroom in packs, if you’re not going to mock us guys while fixing said lipstick?

124 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:10pm

re: #118 MrSilverDragon

Another important rule, do NOT start, or respond to, a conversation during “business”.

EXCEPT

“The waters cold”

“yeah ,, and deep!”

125 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:15pm

re: #103 sattv4u2


not even as part of a package deal?

126 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:25pm

re: #111 simoom

I smacked him on the leg and said, ‘you need any help with that, let me know.

….

127 Kragar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:00:56pm

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

it’s funny because it’s true…

3 urinals in a bathroom, which do you use and why? Real men know the answer.

128 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:01:04pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

The ONLY “rules” I observe in public mens rooms

Look straight down into your own urinal
flush
wash hands
leave

well…exactly…but for some reason, that’s complicated to a percentage of our sex.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:01:29pm

So, what is the connection between Massa’s inability to filter what comes out of his mouth and Rahm yelling at him in the steam room? I can’t follow this story?

130 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:01:35pm

Mermaid or a Whale
Recently, in large French city, a poster featuring a young, thin and tan woman appeared in the window of a gym. It said:

¨THIS SUMMER DO YOU WANT TO BE A MERMAID OR A WHALE?¨

A middle aged woman, whose physical characteristics did not match those of the woman on the poster, responded publicly to the question posed by the gym.

To Whom It May Concern:

Whales are always surrounded by friends (dolphins, sea lions, curious humans).. They have an active sex life, they get pregnant and have adorable baby whales. They have a wonderful time with dolphins stuffing themselves with shrimp. They play and swim in the seas, seeing wonderful places like Patagonia, the Barren Sea and the coral reefs of Polynesia. Whales are wonderful singers and have even recorded CDs. They are incredible creatures and virtually have no predators other than humans. They are loved, protected and admired by almost everyone in the world.

Mermaids don’t exist. If they did exist, they would be lining up outside the offices of Argentinean psychoanalysts due to identity crisis. Fish or human? They don’t have a sex life because they kill men who get close to them not to mention how could they have sex? Therefore they don’t have kids either. Not to mention who wants to get close to a girl who smells like a fish store?

The choice is perfectly clear to me; I want to be a whale.

P.S. We are in an age when media puts into our heads the idea that only skinny people are beautiful, but I prefer to enjoy an ice cream with my kids, a good dinner with a man who makes me shiver and a piece of chocolate with my friends. With time we gain weight because we accumulate so much information and wisdom in our heads that when there is no more room it distributes out to the rest of our bodies. So we aren’t heavy, we are enormously cultured, educated and happy. Beginning today, when I look at my butt in the mirror I will think, ¨Good gosh, look how smart I am…¨

131 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:01:38pm

re: #116 zora

i think it was reported by someone at the event. a third party according to massa. the thing is: if it was a woman he said this to and then tossled her hair. most would agree that it was harassment. massa definitely has a problem with boundaries. he got in trouble years ago for “jokingly” offering to help a bunkmate masturbate back in his navy days. if he would have referenced the healthcare vote as the reason for his removal initially, he would be more believable.

Doesn’t sound like he has a “gay” issue but an “I’ve got the biggest dick in the room and I’ll prove it” issue. What is that called? “Dominance?” “I have to be the Alpha Male Syndrome”. A man doesn’t have to be gay to have it.

In other words: The guy is a dick and it has nothing to di with being gay.

132 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:01:43pm

re: #125 zora

not even as part of a package deal?

Yeah ,,”package deal” The Loons can keep BOTH Massa AND Wesley Clark!!

133 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:00pm

re: #115 Aceofwhat?

well…i have. let me amend: AFAIK, straight religious married men with children do not hang out in gay bars without their wives.

…which still fits our homeboy’s predicament perfectly…

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

gay
married
religious
with children
sometimes do.

134 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:18pm

re: #126 iceweasel

…

Navy porn?

/

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:23pm

re: #123 Aceofwhat?

Then why travel to the bathroom in packs, if you’re not going to mock us guys while fixing said lipstick?

Camouflage. Nobody wants the guys to know she has to pee, so if three women go, then you can’t tell which one has to go. Also, if you’re really a friend you need to tell your friend that she needs to take care of an item on that list.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:32pm

Here’s some sobering news for “Day of the Woman”.

This is terrible.

137 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:33pm

re: #87 DaddyG

My favorite men’s room moment was as a young analyst for a fortune 100 company (past life). The Executive VP of our $5 Billion division came in and lines up in the stall next to me. He was in a cold sweat and told me: “we need to fix this… someone needs to fix this. Kevin- what can you do to fix this?”

The layoffs began a week later.

My favorite is the possibly apochryphal story of a men’s room encounter between Winston Churchill and his socialist successor, Clement Atlee, at the Houses of Parliament in about 1947. At the time Atlee was busy trying to socialize the major national industries, like the railroads and health care.
In the midst of one especially acrimonious debate, Churchill entered the rest room to find Atlee at one end of the long trough type urinal. Churchill went to the opposite end, a good ten feet away, and prepared to relieve himself. Atlee glanced over and said, “What’s wrong, Winston, feeling unsociable today?
Without looking up, Churchill responded, “No, Clem, it’s just that every time you see something big, you try to nationalize it.”

138 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:42pm

re: #123 Aceofwhat?

Then why travel to the bathroom in packs, if you’re not going to mock us guys while fixing said lipstick?

It’s a good excuse to get away from you for a while.

139 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:02:45pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

So, what is the connection between Massa’s inability to filter what comes out of his mouth and Rahm yelling at him in the steam room? I can’t follow this story?

Frontal lobe disinhibition?

140 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:06pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

gay
married
religious
with children
sometimes do.

That could not be more clear. Though bi men also exist.

141 RogueOne  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:11pm

Gotta run folks. The Flogging Molly show is tonight and I’m running behind. My wife made a corned beef brisket yesterday just to get us in the right frame of mind.

Enjoy your evening!

142 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:14pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

In general, men’s restrooms seem to operate by a very complicated set of rules.

I was taking a leak once and this guy in the stall next to my urinal said, “Hey.” Not wanting to be impolite I said, “Hey” back. He then said, “How’s it going?” I said, “I’m doing okay, and you?” He then said, “You want to come over?” and I said, “Excuse me?”

He then said, “I’ll call you back…some asshole’s trying to talk to me while I’m taking a dump.”

/

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:24pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

I’ve been to many gay bars, many times.

Not gay at all.

144 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:34pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

So, what is the connection between Massa’s inability to filter what comes out of his mouth and Rahm yelling at him in the steam room? I can’t follow this story?

massa is seizing on the current stories around about WH/Dem infighting over Rahm. The progressives don’t like him.

Bashing Rahm a little more, plus running with the ‘dems forced me out over HCR” multiplies Massa’s chances for gigs on the wingnut circuit.

145 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 urinals in a bathroom, which do you use and why? Real men know the answer.

my rulebook has explicit formulae devoted to answering this question precisely.

146 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:03:45pm

re: #138 ggt

It’s a good excuse to get away from you for a while.

You know you don;’t need an excuse
We’re happy to see you go so we can scope out the waitresses butts as they walk by without you seeing us do it!

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:05pm

re: #119 Alouette

This thread should be titled: Everything you wanted to know about public bathroom sex but were afraid (or it never even freaking occurred to you) to ask.

Or simply call it the hole of glory….

148 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:31pm

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

So, what is the connection between Massa’s inability to filter what comes out of his mouth and Rahm yelling at him in the steam room? I can’t follow this story?

Maybe it got him a little excited. Or something:

“Let me tell you a story about Rahm Emanuel,” Massa started. “I was a congressman in my first eight weeks, and I was in the congressional gym, and I went down and I worked out and I went into the showers…I’m sitting there showering, naked as a jaybird and here comes Rahm Emanuel not even with a towel wrapped around his tush, poking his finger in my chest, yelling at me because I wasn’t going to vote for the president’s budget. Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?”

149 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:40pm

re: #136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here’s some sobering news for “Day of the Woman”.

This is terrible.

Killing little girl babies in China isn’t really news. Is it?

150 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:40pm

re: #111 simoom

I was deployed for 11 months at sea and it it would have never occurred to me to approach another shipmate like that.

151 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:41pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 urinals in a bathroom, which do you use and why? Real men know the answer.

I generally use the one that isn’t currently in use… otherwise embarrassing moments ensue.

152 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:04:49pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Navy porn?

/

Youtube Video
153 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:05:12pm

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’ve been to many gay bars, many times.

Not gay at all.

ACK!!

So have I, so has my husband.

Are you married, religious and have children?

154 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:05:29pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

gay
married
religious
with children
sometimes do.

so where do you fit me into that equation? i amended your statement to put me in there.

155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:05:48pm

re: #149 marjoriemoon

The words “98 million” kind of jumped out at me.

156 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:05:59pm

re: #152 iceweasel

[Video]

It’s Kermit and the Navy! It’s a complete circle now. Massa “in the Navy” and Glenn Beck who does the Kermit voice!

/

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:00pm

re: #153 marjoriemoon

ACK!!

So have I, so has my husband.

Are you married, religious and have children?

yes.

158 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:04pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

gay
married
religious
with children
sometimes do.

Me - married, religious, straight, with children. Been to gay bar recently. Don’t feel guilty about it in the least.

159 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:20pm

re: #138 ggt

It’s a good excuse to get away from you for a while.

winner

160 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:21pm

re: #46 _RememberTonyC

Except that if they don’t hold a special election right away and the Administration can get a vote done quickly, the problem you raise is avoided.

161 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:39pm

From Politico:

Eager to avoid a repeat of the Mark Foley scandal, House Democratic leaders moved quickly last month when a staffer for Rep. Eric Massa complained that he’d made advances to a junior male aide.

But rumors about Massa had been circulating for months in both Democratic and Republican circles on Capitol Hill, and GOP operatives even considered digging into them on their own. However, sources say there wasn’t evidence of any wrongdoing until Massa’s then-legislative director contacted the office of House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) in early February.

POLITICO reported Wednesday that Ronald Hikel, who was then Massa’s deputy chief of staff and legislative director, went to the House ethics committee last month with allegations that his boss had been harassing another staffer. Massa, who announced Wednesday that he is not seeking reelection, denied the allegations, saying he’s simply a “salty old sailor” who sometimes speaks too bluntly.

But a Massa aide told POLITICO that Massa — who is married and has children — has been engaged in inappropriate behavior “for eight months.”

I’m guessing that bolded passage has a lot to do with why Massa stepped down. It not only ended the ethics investigation into the one indecent, but I’d imagine it also was an attempt to prevent a media feeding frenzy that would have dug into any further allegations.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:54pm

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

my rulebook has explicit formulae devoted to answering this question precisely.

I’m going to assume that you choose the one closest to the door, unless that one is in use, in which case you choose the one farthest from the one in use.

But that’s based on observation of my husband and his friends’ odd behavior, which does not extend into the men’s room.

163 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:06:55pm

re: #150 avanti

I was deployed for 11 months at sea and it it would have never occurred to me to approach another shipmate like that.

Amen Chief!

164 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:07:08pm

re: #158 cliffster

Me - married, religious, straight, with children. Been to gay bar recently. Don’t feel guilty about it in the least.

ditto,,

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:07:43pm

Old joke… shortened for here…

“At a bar, saw two guys holding hands, two guys embracing and two guys kissing. Told the dude I was dancing with, “Let’s get the hell out of here!”

166 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:08:16pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m going to assume that you choose the one closest to the door, unless that one is in use, in which case you choose the one farthest from the one in use.

But that’s based on observation of my husband and his friends’ odd behavior, which does not extend into the men’s room.

choose the farthest. the next male does not need to walk past you, nor does he need to stand right next to you.

167 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:08:39pm

I had no idea gay bars were so choc-a-block with straight right wing men with families. The only question I have is - where do the gay people go these days?

168 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:09:02pm

re: #154 Aceofwhat?

so where do you fit me into that equation? i amended your statement to put me in there.

Single men and women often go to gay clubs for dancing or music or just that their friends are there. That doesn’t mean you’re gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

If you are a very religious person, with a spouse and with children (although the children part isn’t so important to the equation) and you are a straight person, you will not go to a gay bar. AND I would throw in there, if you have a high profile job like Senator and voted against gay issues as a rule, then you really don’t go to gay bars.

It was argued last week or whenever that this man may not be homosexual and I think that was clearly obvious when he was arrested.

169 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:09:18pm

Men don’t trust other men to be anything but men?

Is this what I’m learning from the bathroom gossip?

170 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:09:19pm

re: #150 avanti

I was deployed for 11 months at sea and it it would have never occurred to me to approach another shipmate like that.

I bet! It’s the content of his ‘joke’ combined with the ‘smacking him on his leg’ (!!) which is pretty damned odd.

171 Kragar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:09:21pm

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

my rulebook has explicit formulae devoted to answering this question precisely.

Got to take the variables into account. Amount of beer in the general area, crowd flow, location, etc.

Now there is the obvious answer, which is stall 1 or 3, which allows stall 2 to serve as a buffer and still allow another man to use the remaining stall safely. This is wrong.

You should use stall 2. Anyone else will either be forced to use stall 1 or 3, proving they can’t be trusted, or they’ll wait, and prove that they know the rules.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:09:38pm

re: #167 Jimmah

I had no idea gay bars were so choc-a-block with straight right wing men with families. The only question I have is - where do the gay people go these days?

Funny that you ask Jimmah.

They can go pretty damn well where they please.

173 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:10:04pm

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’ve been to many gay bars, many times.

Not gay at all.

Except that you didn’t take anyone home with you.

Just so it is out there and everyone gets over it, people’s sexual attraction tends to fall on a spectrum and not as a two state system. The guy who had that thing happen once with his best friend from college that they never talk about is certainly not gay, but he is also less straight than he is comfortable admitting to himself.

It has been my experience that the people who are the least freaked out about any semantics of the discussion or the existence of the spectrum are usually the ones who are them most comfortable with where they fall on it.

Those people who really are 100% straight ( that is me, it is not an honor, just a fact) or 100% gay, tend to be very accepting of everyone else’s choices. The ones in the middle who are down with who they are and have stopped trying to claim that they need to be one or the other, are also very down with everyone else’s choices. The ones who are embarrassed by something though are the ones who squawk the loudest.

174 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:10:14pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The words “98 million” kind of jumped out at me.

One child rule has been in place for 30 odd years, late 70’s?. It’s not all that surprising.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:10:58pm

re: #174 marjoriemoon

The words “98 million” kind of jumped out at me.

176 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:11:21pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

Or any bars, for that matter.

Maybe a restaurant that has a bar.

177 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:11:23pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny that you ask Jimmah.

They can go pretty damn well where they please.

For example, CPAC, to boo Ryan Sorba and other homophobes.

178 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:11:24pm

re: #170 iceweasel

I bet! It’s the content of his ‘joke’ combined with the ‘smacking him on his leg’ (!!) which is pretty damned odd.

I would think it is the type of behavior that would end up with him at the medics with at least a black-eye?

179 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:11:26pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Got to take the variables into account. Amount of beer in the general area, crowd flow, location, etc.

Now there is the obvious answer, which is stall 1 or 3, which allows stall 2 to serve as a buffer and still allow another man to use the remaining stall safely. This is wrong.

You should use stall 2. Anyone else will either be forced to use stall 1 or 3, proving they can’t be trusted, or they’ll wait, and prove that they know the rules.

interesting. i’m a stall 3 type of person…less confrontational. the next guy probably has to go as badly as i do - i want to help him make the right choice.

180 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:11:51pm

re: #161 simoom

From Politico:

I’m guessing that bolded passage has a lot to do with why Massa stepped down. It not only ended the ethics investigation into the one indecent, but I’d imagine it also was an attempt to prevent a media feeding frenzy that would have dug into any further allegations.

Eight months… plus 20 years.

181 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:12:20pm

You know, FBV and Cliffster, I find it hard to believe, and I know from what you all post here that you are not “family values” religious like this fellow so don’t try to twist what I’m saying. I think you know what I’m saying. I don’t know your brand of Christianity, but it seemed very obvious to me who and what kind of phony Ashburn was from the get go.

182 erraticsphinx  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:12:27pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You could write a book on this topic.

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:12:44pm

re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote

Gay’s are fun to party with. Period. That’s all.

My wife is one of the greatest “Fat Hags” (her’s and their words, not mine) in the world.

184 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:12:54pm

re: #167 Jimmah

my girlfriends and i went to a gay men’s nightclub. we had a ball. danced all night, laughed, partied, and were barely hit on.

185 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:06pm

re: #133 marjoriemoon

Religious married straight men don’t hang out in gay bars with or without their wives. I think that’s definitive across the board. SixDegrees, I believe (now that I’m thinking) said we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s gay which I thought was ridiculous.

married
religious
straight
with children
do not go to gay bars.

gay
married
religious
with children
sometimes do.

Yes, that was me. Married, straight, been to “gay” bars more times than I can count. I put “gay” in quotes because, to date, I’ve never been in one that was anywhere near exclusively gay, only preponderantly so.

On a few occasions, but by no means all, I took the wife with me.

I don’t understand the problem. It isn’t catching.

186 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:07pm

re: #167 Jimmah

I had no idea gay bars were so choc-a-block with straight right wing men with families. The only question I have is - where do the gay people go these days?

I see them in all the same places any other sexual/religious/ethnic/race person is. Same places I am. Malls, grocerry stores, gas stations, restuarants, work ,,,

Is it different in Scotland?

187 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:16pm

Ok, the more I think about Massa going on Glen Beck the more convinced I am that his claims are bogus. Even a reputable liberal leaning news outlet or journalist would love to have an exclusive on these claims if they were true. It would be Watergate-like, earth shattering, history making stuff it it was true. I suspect that it’s not only bogus but I think Fox News is making it up for him. I doubt Massa is coming up with this stuff on his own.

188 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:19pm

re: #170 iceweasel

I bet! It’s the content of his ‘joke’ combined with the ‘smacking him on his leg’ (!!) which is pretty damned odd.

Doesn’t really seem odd to me. I’m sure Navy locker rooms are much more colorful than high school football locker rooms. I’ve been in the latter, and the joke + leg-smacking doesn’t surprise me at all.

189 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:26pm

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gay’s are fun to party with. Period. That’s all.

My wife is one of the greatest “Fat Hags” (her’s and their words, not mine) in the world.

Best shopping buddies in the world!

190 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:36pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The words “98 million” kind of jumped out at me.

I didn’t read the whole article. Did they mention how many children are adopted out of those countries?

191 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:43pm

re: #184 zora

and i’m married, religious, with kids.

192 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:46pm

re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote

I’m not 100% straight - I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.

193 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:13:56pm

re: #168 marjoriemoon

it’s just that i hear a lot of my fellow religious, straight, married fathers here saying they’ve gone to a gay bar and had perfectly innocent fun just like i did. so that’s where i’m confused.

if you also mean to say what LVQ did, which was that we aren’t taking another guy home with us - then i fully agree…

194 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:14:04pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Ok, the more I think about Massa going on Glen Beck the more convinced I am that his claims are bogus. Even a reputable liberal leaning news outlet or journalist would love to have an exclusive on these claims if they were true. It would be Watergate-like, earth shattering, history making stuff it it was true. I suspect that it’s not only bogus but I think Fox News is making it up for him. I doubt Massa is coming up with this stuff on his own.

What claims is he making?

195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:14:50pm

re: #177 iceweasel

I have not been at a place where gays weren’t welcome in a long long time.

I know that the left hates conservatives like me.

I make the point and laugh less fun.

196 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:15:20pm

re: #189 ggt

fag hag.

197 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:15:35pm

re: #192 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m not 100% straight - I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.

Saw that one coming down Main Street..

198 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:23pm

None of you are on the religious right or are you?

You don’t get what I’m saying so I’ll drop it.

199 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gay’s are fun to party with. Period. That’s all.

My wife is one of the greatest “Fat Hags” (her’s and their words, not mine) in the world.

I think she meant “fag hags.”

A woman is standing nude, looking in the bedroom mirror. She is not
happy with what she sees and says to her husband, ‘I feel horrible; I look old, fat and ugly. I really need you to pay me a compliment.’

The husband replies, ‘Your eyesight’s darn near perfect.’

200 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #170 iceweasel

I bet! It’s the content of his ‘joke’ combined with the ‘smacking him on his leg’ (!!) which is pretty damned odd.

It’s not odd, it’s creepy even if you don’t have a trace of homophobia. I’ll admit in my many years in the Navy I noticed more than one shipmate doing some under the sheet action. In those cases, you look away, and certainly don’t touch the guys leg and offer help. Hell even if we repealed don’t ask, don’t tell, or had it have been opposite sexes, that’s just inappropriate.

201 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:32pm

re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have not been at a place where gays weren’t welcome in a long long time.

I know that the left hates conservatives like me.

I make the point and laugh less fun.

Of course, that wasn’t the point Jimmah was making.
The Republican Party is a place where gay people don’t feel welcome, sad to say, FBV. They need more people like you.

202 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:42pm

re: #196 zora

fag hag.

When you say, do these jeans look good on me and they say yes, you know they are telling the truth because you are not their competition. Not so true now that I am old and married, but it was when I was young and single.

203 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:16:51pm

re: #184 zora

my girlfriends and i went to a gay men’s nightclub. we had a ball. danced all night, laughed, partied, and were barely hit on.

I’ve actually heard complaints - lol - from gay men in the UK that their clubs and bars are being ‘invaded’ by straight women who are looking for a good night out . I really had no idea though that so many straight men were going to gays bars too though.

204 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #194 Charles

What claims is he making?


Eric Massa to Rip Democrats on Glenn Beck’s Fox News Show
He’s claiming that he was forced out by the Whitehouse in order to pass healthcare reform. There’s also something about Rahm Emanual yelling at him while naked.

205 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:15pm

re: #170 iceweasel

I bet! It’s the content of his ‘joke’ combined with the ‘smacking him on his leg’ (!!) which is pretty damned odd.

It also makes me wonder about this part of his description of the harassment incident:

“A staff member made an intonation to me that maybe I should be chasing after the bridesmaid. His points were clear and his words were far more colorful than that,” Massa said, adding, “And I grabbed the staff member sitting next to me and said, “‘Pal, what I really ought to be doing is fracking you.’ And then tussled the guy’s hair, and left.”

Grabbed his shoulders? His arm? His leg?

206 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:28pm

re: #194 Charles

What claims is he making?

That because of his NO vote on Health Care the admin (Rahm) is trumping up the sexual harrassment charges to force him out of office

207 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:40pm

re: #173 LudwigVanQuixote

Except that you didn’t take anyone home with you.

Oops - I’ve done that, too. And not the wife, either. A good friend of ours who was WAY to drunk to be driving. Bought him a few more rounds to make him more compliant, poured him into the back seat and horsed him onto our couch for the night.

208 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:54pm

re: #194 Charles

What claims is he making?

Massa Says Health Care Stand Contributed to His Resignation
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN

Representative Eric Massa, Democrat of New York, who is resigning from Congress amid allegations that he sexually harassed a staff member, now says he believes that House Democratic leaders wanted to force him out of office because he voted against the Democrats’ health care legislation.

…

But in a local radio show broadcast on Sunday, Mr. Massa suggested that a more sinister conspiracy was underway to push him out because he had voted against the House health care legislation. “They will stop at nothing to pass this health care bill,” he said of Democratic leaders. “Now they have gotten rid of me, and it will pass.”

House Democratic leaders rejected Mr. Massa’s allegations.

…

Mr. Massa is planning to take his case to the national airwaves, scheduling a series of interviews, including one with Glenn Beck.

209 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:56pm

re: #205 simoom

It says it right there - he grabbed his member.

210 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:17:58pm

re: #185 SixDegrees

Yes, that was me. Married, straight, been to “gay” bars more times than I can count. I put “gay” in quotes because, to date, I’ve never been in one that was anywhere near exclusively gay, only preponderantly so.

On a few occasions, but by no means all, I took the wife with me.

I don’t understand the problem. It isn’t catching.

You are on the religious right? You believe in the Family Values of the religious right?

Maybe I should have been more specific when it comes to the word “religious” which I guess can be taken a number of ways.

211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:03pm

re: #201 iceweasel

I’ll go read it again.

212 Kragar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:22pm

re: #182 erraticsphinx

You could write a book on this topic.

The variables are the kicker here. Got to factor in the variables correctly or you’ll make a mess of things.

213 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:44pm

re: #176 Alouette

Or any bars, for that matter.

Maybe a restaurant that has a bar.

I think what religion might matter here, too.

214 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Eric Massa to Rip Democrats on Glenn Beck’s Fox News Show
He’s claiming that he was forced out by the Whitehouse in order to pass healthcare reform. There’s also something about Rahm Emanual yelling at him while naked.

Yes, but can he describe any warts or scars he saw? …..

/do we have to talk about Nekkid Rahm>? :)

215 drcordell  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:50pm

Well, at least he doesn’t have to keep self-loathing himself.

216 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:18:55pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

More here: Weapon of Massa Destruction

On Sunday, Massa took to the airwaves and claimed that he was forced out of Congress by the White House and the Democratic leadership in the House because he was a “no vote” on the pending health care bill.

In the interview, Massa delivered a series of broadsides against Rahm Emanuel, reciting two occasions where the Chief of Staff cursed him out - including once when the two men were standing naked in the locker room of the Congressional gym. Massa called Emanuel the “son of the devil’s spawn” and said he would “strap his children to the front end of a steam locomotive” to get a vote passed through Congress.

217 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:19:01pm

re: #198 marjoriemoon

None of you are on the religious right or are you?

You don’t get what I’m saying so I’ll drop it.

we are. and we go to gay bars. i think we were wondering what was missing from your equation to distinguish us from him. (i was offering some items, or trying to.)

no harm, no foul:)

218 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:19:07pm

re: #207 SixDegrees

Oops - I’ve done that, too. And not the wife, either. A good friend of ours who was WAY to drunk to be driving. Bought him a few more rounds to make him more compliant, poured him into the back seat and horsed him onto our couch for the night.

Ohhh for crying out loud. This post is specious.

219 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:19:36pm

re: #214 Thanos

/do we have to talk about Nekkid Rahm>?


Iyeeeeee!

220 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:19:52pm
“And so as each of these individual measures came before the Legislature I cast ‘no’ votes, usually ‘no’ votes, because the measures were … almost always acknowledging rights or assigning identification to homosexual persons.”

In other words, he voted against himself.

Classic.

And WTF does “assigning identification to homosexual persons” mean? Pink triangles? Nah, can’t be that.

Acknowledging that they exist?

What in the bleeding blue blazes of hell is he talking about?

221 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:19:57pm

re: #192 Mad Al-Jaffee

I’m not 100% straight - I’m a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.

LOL ditto. I have several very good lesbian friends. I take perverse pleasure in “scoping out” girls with them :)

222 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:20:22pm

I just shook a bunch of crumbs out of my keyboard. Wow. I had no idea, I didn’t think I brought that much food into my office.

Should I buy a new keyboard for Passover? I use a bilingual keyboard and they’re not that cheap.

223 drcordell  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:20:30pm

Massa is making himself out to be pretty damn important if he thinks that his vote alone was enough to scuttle the entire HCR bill. I guess pride really does come before the fall.

224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:20:32pm

re: #211 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seemed kind of snarky to me.

I’m sure I’m projecting.

225 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:20:41pm

re: #218 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh for crying out loud. This post is specious.

heh. good to see you playing the part of “kettle” again!

226 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:07pm

re: #216 Killgore Trout

It’s sad that his absolutely disgusting allegation about Rahm and his children isn’t getting more attention. The gay thing still overshadows everything.

227 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:12pm

re: #222 Alouette

I just shook a bunch of crumbs out of my keyboard. Wow. I had no idea, I didn’t think I brought that much food into my office.

Should I buy a new keyboard for Passover? I use a bilingual keyboard and they’re not that cheap.

it’s the yeast you could do ….

228 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:14pm

re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL ditto. I have several very good lesbian friends. I take perverse pleasure in “scoping out” girls with them :)

i object to the use of the word ‘perverse’ in that sentence/

229 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:18pm

re: #222 Alouette

I just shook a bunch of crumbs out of my keyboard. Wow. I had no idea, I didn’t think I brought that much food into my office.

Should I buy a new keyboard for Passover? I use a bilingual keyboard and they’re not that cheap.

Canned air, and keep it away from the kids.

230 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:28pm

re: #213 EmmmieG

I think what religion might matter here, too.

We only eat out at kosher restaurants, and most of them do not have bars.

Some of the more upscale ones do. At my birthday party last December everyone enjoyed the adult beverages.

231 drcordell  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:30pm

re: #220 Cato the Elder

In other words, he voted against himself.

Classic.

And WTF does “assigning identification to homosexual persons” mean? Pink triangles? Nah, can’t be that.

Acknowledging that they exist?

What in the bleeding blue blazes of hell is he talking about?

Assigning identification meaning he actually is acknowledged to be a real person and not a sexual deviant who deserves to be persecuted? That’s the only logical interpretation I can think of.

232 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:44pm

re: #198 marjoriemoon

None of you are on the religious right or are you?

You don’t get what I’m saying so I’ll drop it.

Not as the term is usually used, no, not even close. Like I’ve said before, the closest label I can come up with for myself would be a Goldwater Conservative. Or just a Conservative, in my view.

233 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:21:57pm

re: #229 EmmmieG

Canned air, and keep it away from the kids.

but it’s fun to use on the Cat —when he isn’t looking so he doesn’t know it was you.

234 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:07pm

re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL ditto. I have several very good lesbian friends. I take perverse pleasure in “scoping out” girls with them :)

Nothing perverse about it. One of life’s innocent joys.

235 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:13pm

I have never had issues with gay guys… I treat everyone in real life equal..
If you are going to be a dick head with me then bring it.. I don’t care if you are gay or not..Big or not..Smart or not.. Pretty boy or not..I don’t care..
I have never had issues with gay guys…
And that is a fricking fact…They seem gentile and hang with themselves mostly.. God bless them

236 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:18pm

re: #231 drcordell

That’s basically it, its legal representation of their status.

237 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:19pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

MSNBC reports that he was on talk radio in Hornell, NY and raised the issues over Hoyer, and how the House leadership will pass the bill.

238 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:28pm

re: #225 Aceofwhat?

Ace, it may be possible that you, and Cliffster, and other rational conservatives on this board are married, religious, go to gay bars, and have a good time.

But please tell me you don’t also support anti-gay legislation, do you?

239 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:51pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Eric Massa to Rip Democrats on Glenn Beck’s Fox News Show
He’s claiming that he was forced out by the Whitehouse in order to pass healthcare reform. There’s also something about Rahm Emanual yelling at him while naked.

Is there video? ‘Cause, you know, the DNC could make a hell of a lot of money peddling it on the Internet if there is.

240 zora  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:22:52pm

re: #210 marjoriemoon


the religious right and left aren’t that different in their actions. just in what they will fess up to. imo.

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:05pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Eric Massa to Rip Democrats on Glenn Beck’s Fox News Show
He’s claiming that he was forced out by the Whitehouse in order to pass healthcare reform. There’s also something about Rahm Emanual yelling at him while naked.

How the political situation would have changed if Rahm had put on a towel remains unclear.

242 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:21pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

I have never had issues with gay guys… I treat everyone in real life equal..
If you are going to be a dick head with me then bring it.. I don’t care if you are gay or not..Big or not..Smart or not.. Pretty boy or not..I don’t care..
I have never had issues with gay guys…
And that is a fricking fact…They seem gentile and hang with themselves mostly.. God bless them

And if you want advice on that new suit you’re buying, take a gay guy with!

243 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:26pm

re: #237 lawhawk

Do you care to clear up why you were recounting his allegations as though they showed what ‘apparently’ happened?

244 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:38pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Ace, it may be possible that you, and Cliffster, and other rational conservatives on this board are married, religious, go to gay bars, and have a good time.

But please tell me you don’t also support anti-gay legislation, do you?

That’s a bit too vague to answer, don’t you think?

245 avanti  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:38pm

re: #188 cliffster

Doesn’t really seem odd to me. I’m sure Navy locker rooms are much more colorful than high school football locker rooms. I’ve been in the latter, and the joke + leg-smacking doesn’t surprise me at all.

Must be a different Navy now if that’s the case. A joke like that when you sitting around drinking coffee perhaps. A joke like that when you are pleasuring yourself and another person touches you is going to be out of bounds period.

246 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:48pm

re: #238 Obdicut

I dunno, I do kinda suspect they’re overplaying how much time they spend at gay bars, tho’. In my experience, they’re just generally not that welcoming.

Not hostile, but not welcoming either.

247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:23:49pm

Nothing good remains for me on this thread. I need to take a drive anyway.

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:11pm

re: #230 Alouette

We only eat out at kosher restaurants, and most of them do not have bars.

Some of the more upscale ones do. At my birthday party last December everyone enjoyed the adult beverages.

Most of the restaurants we eat at have attached bars. Few restaurants today don’t have one. We just have no interest in the bar part of it.

249 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:16pm

I keep thinking of the scene in The Wire when some of Marlo’s guys are looking for Omar and they check the gay bars. Rawls is briefly seen in one.

250 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:16pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Ace, it may be possible that you, and Cliffster, and other rational conservatives on this board are married, religious, go to gay bars, and have a good time.

But please tell me you don’t also support anti-gay legislation, do you?

what is ‘anti-gay’ legislation?

251 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:28pm

re: #226 Obdicut

It’s sad that his absolutely disgusting allegation about Rahm and his children isn’t getting more attention. The gay thing still overshadows everything.

The overriding factor is the harassment charges. Or at least it should be. As you can see he was engaged in this behavior way back to during Operation Desert Storm (1990-1991). Orientation should not have anything to do with it since we’ve seen harassment occur regardless of orientation.

252 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:29pm

re: #194 Charles

What claims is he making?

He basically claims he was tricked/forced into resigning with an overblown sexual harassment allegation, and that he only realized after he stepped down that it was actually a conspiracy to get HCR passed. Here he is describing his “evidence”:

Now, in the radio interview, Massa says he only realized that this was an effort to push him out of the House when he woke up in the early hours of Sunday morning and started reading recent press and blog coverage of the events of his resignation and particularly the fact that his departure reduces the number of votes required to pass health care reform. “Now they’ve gotten rid of me and it’ll pass,” he says.
253 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:29pm

I decided a long time ago that negotiatin gall the labels and fallout from those labels was wwaaayyy too confusing for my feeble brain. I decided that everyone is child of G-d and leave it at that.

254 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:33pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing good remains for me on this thread. I need to take a drive anyway.

Cheers FBV

255 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:44pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

I have never had issues with gay guys… I treat everyone in real life equal..
If you are going to be a dick head with me then bring it.. I don’t care if you are gay or not..Big or not..Smart or not.. Pretty boy or not..I don’t care..
I have never had issues with gay guys…
And that is a fricking fact…They seem gentile and hang with themselves mostly.. God bless them

you’re one of my favorite male lizards … in a platonic sort of way :)

256 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:54pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing good remains for me on this thread. I need to take a drive anyway.

Okay, who ate all the cake and didn’t leave any for FBV?

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:56pm

re: #222 Alouette

I just shook a bunch of crumbs out of my keyboard. Wow. I had no idea, I didn’t think I brought that much food into my office.

Should I buy a new keyboard for Passover? I use a bilingual keyboard and they’re not that cheap.

Serious question: Are you going to be eating off of your keyboard, and have you given it a good cleaning?

If you have given it a good cleaning, then just like the mishna that says that we do not check that a critter might have carried in chametz after we have cleaned - I really do not think you have an issue.

258 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:57pm

re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing good remains for me on this thread. I need to take a drive anyway.

Going “cruising”? :)

259 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:24:58pm

re: #243 Obdicut

Apparently versus alleged? Fine. It should be alleged.

Will you apologize should it turn out that Massa was right in his allegations that he was forced out by Rahm and the leadership over his stance the health care stuff.

260 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:25:21pm

re: #238 Obdicut

Ace, it may be possible that you, and Cliffster, and other rational conservatives on this board are married, religious, go to gay bars, and have a good time.

But please tell me you don’t also support anti-gay legislation, do you?

Que’ !?!?!?

261 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:25:28pm

re: #244 cliffster

No, I really don’t.

re: #250 Aceofwhat?

what is ‘anti-gay’ legislation?

You know it when you see it.

For example, McDonnell instructing the individual colleges to make sure to remove benefits from gay partners.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:25:33pm

re: #245 avanti

Must be a different Navy now if that’s the case. A joke like that when you sitting around drinking coffee perhaps. A joke like that when you are pleasuring yourself and another person touches you is going to be out of bounds period.

Yeah. I think the only possible responses in that case are ‘Sorry’, and you scoot out till they’re done, or you pretend not to see, and get in your bunk.

263 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:25:50pm

re: #217 Aceofwhat?

we are. and we go to gay bars. i think we were wondering what was missing from your equation to distinguish us from him. (i was offering some items, or trying to.)

no harm, no foul:)

I was single until my mid-30’s. I spent some 15 years in the club scene. I went to many gay clubs. I was propositioned in gay clubs. It was the only place with decent dance music.

I do not believe that it is usual and in fact I know that it is NOT for people of the Religious Right to go to gay clubs. Maybe, MABYE if they’re single, but certainly not if they’re married. Most of these people despise gay people to begin with. Every pentecostal/evangelist I know (and I know quite a few) feel it is the gravest of sins and an abomination. And some of those people are Democrats, btw, they aren’t all on the Right. I don’t know how one can be on the religious in this way and be gay friendly without being gay. It makes no sense to me. If you are, then you are an anomaly.

264 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:26:22pm

gotta go

Have a good afternoon all!

265 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:26:47pm

re: #261 Obdicut

No, I really don’t.

re: #250 Aceofwhat?

You know it when you see it.

For example, McDonnell instructing the individual colleges to make sure to remove benefits from gay partners.

i support nothing of the sort. DADT is ridiculous, if you want another example.

does that help?

266 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:26:48pm

re: #261 Obdicut

You know it when you see it.

Can’t really work off, “you know it when you see it”. What you think qualifies, I may not.

267 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:26:56pm

re: #210 marjoriemoon

You are on the religious right? You believe in the Family Values of the religious right?

Maybe I should have been more specific when it comes to the word “religious” which I guess can be taken a number of ways.

Answered above, but to repeat - no, at least not in the sense that “religious right” is normally used. Pretty much a Goldwater Conservative here, one who happens to have strong ties to the local gay community going back more than three decades on both the business and personal front.

268 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:27:03pm

OT: Got my new spectacles this morning. I can now read the monitor, see the keyboard, read the book next to the keyboard, and watch Haku out the back window, all without fumbling around for the right set of specs (which are always in another room of the house).

These miracles glasses are known as Progressives, of course. LOL!

269 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:27:37pm

re: #261 Obdicut

You know it when you see it.

For example, McDonnell instructing the individual colleges to make sure to remove benefits from gay partners.

But as for that specific example, then, of course not.

270 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:27:48pm

So it’s international women’s day…

I needed a haircut since I’ve got an actual face to face meeting tomorrow so I grab the clippers and go to the top of the stairs and start yelling in my most obnoxious belligerent voice:

Wuuuuhhman! Yeah! I’m talking to you Wuuuuuuhmannnn! I need my haircut!

My wife comes over to me and cocks her eyebrow with a WTF?! I’m fixing to get mad look, because A. I’ve never called her woman and B. I don’t talk belligerent or obnoxious…

I went down and kissed her and said “happy international Woman’s day” and we both then laughed a lot. So I am sure she got the joke, even though my haircut looks a little strange…

Are you supposed to use that Eyebrow trimmer attachment thing on the back of your neck?

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:27:53pm

re: #257 LudwigVanQuixote

Serious question: Are you going to be eating off of your keyboard, and have you given it a good cleaning?

If you have given it a good cleaning, then just like the mishna that says that we do not check that a critter might have carried in chametz after we have cleaned - I really do not think you have an issue.

Agreed. I’d blast it with some of that canned air stuff, and maybe wipe the surfaces with a wipe, but replacing it altogether seems unnecessary.

272 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:02pm

re: #240 zora

the religious right and left aren’t that different in their actions. just in what they will fess up to. imo.

That’s true. I don’t know what Ashburn’s religion is specifically so I just use the all-encompassing “Religious Right”, but they don’t have to be on the Right. Evangelist, Pentecostal is more specific, but I don’t know if Ashburn is either one, or did the article say.

273 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:06pm

Thought this would be appropriate for this thread:

Youtube Video
274 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:07pm

re: #259 lawhawk

Apparently versus alleged? Fine. It should be alleged.

Well, that was gracious of you.


Will you apologize should it turn out that Massa was right in his allegations that he was forced out by Rahm and the leadership over his stance the health care stuff.

Apologize for what, exactly? For asking you why you were repeating his allegations as though they were the apparent facts?

I don’t think I need to apologize for that. Can you explain why you think I would?

275 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:22pm

re: #268 Cato the Elder

OT: Got my new spectacles this morning. I can now read the monitor, see the keyboard, read the book next to the keyboard, and watch Haku out the back window, all without fumbling around for the right set of specs (which are always in another room of the house).

These miracles glasses are known as Progressives, of course. LOL!

Uh oh the sekrit progressive recruitment agenda is revealed….

276 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:29pm

re: #266 cliffster

Can’t really work off, “you know it when you see it”. What you think qualifies, I may not.

If one stays vague, then they can stay broad
If it’s broad, then ANYTHING “CAN” be construed as “anti”!

277 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:30pm

re: #268 Cato the Elder

OT: Got my new spectacles this morning. I can now read the monitor, see the keyboard, read the book next to the keyboard, and watch Haku out the back window, all without fumbling around for the right set of specs (which are always in another room of the house).

These miracles glasses are known as Progressives, of course. LOL!

Socialist spectacles!

278 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:28:52pm

re: #263 marjoriemoon

oh, there’s no question that i’m an anomaly;) whether my anomalies are endearing…well…

but more seriously, i have known people like the ones you describe and people like me. so i guess - sure - i might be an anomaly in this sense, but probably not as rare as you might think.

i am truly sorry that your experiences have been so consistently negative, though.

279 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:29:10pm

re: #205 simoom

Ice, are you home? I’d like to give you a call.

280 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:29:19pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

J.P. Donleavy has a whole section about this in The Unexpurgated Code.

281 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:29:52pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

There are only so many things that refer to homosexuality at all.

Of that limited number of laws or regulations that have come up, are there any that you guys would agree with?

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:01pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Ice, are you home? I’d like to give you a call.

umm,,, youy DO know that instead of asking here you could have just dialed !!

//

283 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:30pm

You are getting mighty pedantic when I said apparently instead of alleged, even though it was apparent to Massa - that’s who made the connection and who claims that this was the case. I’m paraphrasing what Massa has said.

284 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:31pm

re: #267 SixDegrees

Answered above, but to repeat - no, at least not in the sense that “religious right” is normally used. Pretty much a Goldwater Conservative here, one who happens to have strong ties to the local gay community going back more than three decades on both the business and personal front.

Well then you don’t fit my example and I think you knew that to begin with.

285 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:38pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Ice, are you home? I’d like to give you a call.

Simoom’s real name is Ice? Weird…

286 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:46pm

re: #14 Spare O’Lake

This story is an example of how homophobia, not homosexuality, is the really dangerous perverting force.

Given Ashburn’s comments, do you think it’s fair to say that he entertains some degree of self-loathing? I mean, he literally voted against legal equality; he helped perpetuate the prejudice against gay Californians (and Americans, for that matter).

287 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:50pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

umm,,, youy DO know that instead of asking here you could have just dialed !!

//

She needs warning time to initiate the sooper seekrit SOROS secure line.

288 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:30:56pm

re: #277 Gus 802

Socialist spectacles!

They make everything look pinko….

289 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:20pm

re: #283 lawhawk

You are getting mighty pedantic when I said apparently instead of alleged, even though it was apparent to Massa - that’s who made the connection and who claims that this was the case. I’m paraphrasing what Massa has said.

But you didn’t say it in the exact way that you should of… silly boy.//

290 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:29pm

re: #285 Aceofwhat?

Simoom’s real name is Ice? Weird…

Crap. Maybe these glasses aren’t that good after all.

291 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:31pm

re: #268 Cato the Elder

OT: Got my new spectacles this morning. I can now read the monitor, see the keyboard, read the book next to the keyboard, and watch Haku out the back window, all without fumbling around for the right set of specs (which are always in another room of the house).

These miracles glasses are known as Progressives, of course. LOL!

Did you see Horatio when you were at the eye doc?

292 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:31pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

Agreed. I’d blast it with some of that canned air stuff, and maybe wipe the surfaces with a wipe, but replacing it altogether seems unnecessary.

Pesach is one of those things where the OCD comes out. I am not saying that to sound harsh. I just draw the line at cutting off one’s nose despite their face.

I know people whose entire house ends up covered in several layers of foil and then plastic on top.

I am somehow very confident that people like Akiva and Hillel did not do such things.

293 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:32pm

re: #281 windsagio

There are only so many things that refer to homosexuality at all.

Of that limited number of laws or regulations that have come up, are there any that you guys would agree with?

vague AND braod at the same time!!
Gold Star

Ask a SPECIFIC question, I will give a SPECIFIC answer. I’ll make it easier. My answer will have NO wiggle room. I will say “YES” or “NO”

294 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:37pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Ice, are you home? I’d like to give you a call.

I am! but on phone with Jim-ski. What’s up comrade?

295 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:31:41pm

re: #281 windsagio

There are only so many things that refer to homosexuality at all.

Of that limited number of laws or regulations that have come up, are there any that you guys would agree with?

tons. volumes.

296 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:32:01pm

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

But you didn’t say it in the exact way that you should of… silly boy.//

So much for not using sarc tags, eh walter? //

297 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:32:21pm

re: #288 iceweasel

They make everything look pinko…

See my misaddressed #279.

298 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:32:25pm

re: #283 lawhawk

You are getting mighty pedantic when I said apparently instead of alleged, even though it was apparent to Massa - that’s who made the connection and who claims that this was the case. I’m paraphrasing what Massa has said.

You walk the line when you start questioning liberals, if you know what’s good for ya

299 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:32:26pm

re: #288 iceweasel

They make everything look pinko…

It’s like seeing life through rose colored glasses. /

300 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:32:45pm

re: #296 windsagio

So much for not using sarc tags, eh walter? //

It was fot you… just so you wouldn’t get confused.

301 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:33:04pm

re: #265 Aceofwhat?

i support nothing of the sort. DADT is ridiculous, if you want another example.

does that help?

I don’t even think DADT is Constitutional; I doubt it would survive a direct Supreme Court challenge.

302 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:33:28pm

re: #283 lawhawk

There is a world’s of difference between whether something apparently happened and whether it’s alleged that it happened.

Can you explain what you think I should hypothetically apologize for in the future, if it turns out that Naked Rahm is one of the main negotiating tools in the administrations decks when they want to oust legislators? Being pedantic?

303 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:33:39pm

re: #294 iceweasel

I am! but on phone with Jim-ski. What’s up comrade?

Not much. Just a plot to bring down Western civ. Would you call me when you’re done scheming with J.?

304 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:33:42pm

re: #284 marjoriemoon

Well then you don’t fit my example and I think you knew that to begin with.

i don’t think we were trying to be pedantic…it’s just that your original list was religious, straight, married with kids.

i think you meant that in general, that’s not the typical profile of a person seen exiting a gay bar. fair statement!

305 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:33:57pm

Keyboard cleanliness is actually a religious issue. Interesting. (Seriously, I find this interesting. Around here it’s just proof that the boys have been eating at the computer again.)

306 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:16pm

re: #141 RogueOne

Slainte.

307 Gus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:20pm

Hasta later folks.

308 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:22pm

re: #295 Aceofwhat?

re: #293 sattv4u2

I realize that ‘laws or regulations’ is a bit overwhelming, I should have included ‘prominent’ and ‘put to the public, so you couldn’t dodge :p

so here we go:

Do you agree with the McDonall VA thing?

What about Washington’s Civil unions with every singal right of marriage, including any we forget to list law?

Or Prop 8?

There’s three

309 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:27pm

re: #291 marjoriemoon

Did you see Horatio when you were at the eye doc?

Yeah, and handed over a bunch of denarii for the Defense Fund. He thanks all the Lizards who contributed.

310 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:28pm

re: #303 Cato the Elder

Not much. Just a plot to bring down Western civ. Would you call me when you’re done scheming with J.?

You betcha!

311 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

Excellent comeback :D

312 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:45pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Hasta later folks.

Hasta pasta

313 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:46pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

Crap. Maybe these glasses aren’t that good after all.

You should know by now that progressives can be distorting//

314 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:34:47pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

How the political situation would have changed if Rahm had put on a towel remains unclear.

heheh.
Your thinking is always so clear.

315 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:04pm

re: #304 Aceofwhat?

i don’t think we were trying to be pedantic…it’s just that your original list was religious, straight, married with kids.

i think you meant that in general, that’s not the typical profile of a person seen exiting a gay bar. fair statement!

Yes. And added on “is a legislator with a history of voting against gay rights”, then it makes it even less likely that person has a valid social reason to be hanging out at a gay club.

316 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:14pm

re: #314 reine.de.tout

Rahm was trying to prove who was the biggest dick.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:16pm

re: #292 LudwigVanQuixote

Pesach is one of those things where the OCD comes out. I am not saying that to sound harsh. I just draw the line at cutting off one’s nose despite their face.

I know people whose entire house ends up covered in several layers of foil and then plastic on top.

I am somehow very confident that people like Akiva and Hillel did not do such things.

I know…I know…but maybe if we repainted the entire kitchen, and then coated the newly painted walls with wallpaper, and then put the tinfoil on that? Only certified kasher le-pesach paint, wallpaper and tinfoil, mind you.

//Seriously. If you wouldn’t put in in your mouth, it’s no longer chametz.

I like the Ethiopian minhag—they move OUT of the house, and everyone camps in the village square during the holiday. You can do this in Ethiopia in early spring. Poland, not so much.

318 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:28pm

re: #255 _RememberTonyC

you’re one of my favorite male lizards … in a platonic sort of way :)

You know what? I’m watching Invincible movie about football..And this thread has me thinking.. I have really known a gay guy as a friend.. I’ve known some dudes but never been friends with any of them.. Pathetic really…Like I would ever have sex with a guy but couldn’t find it within me to be a friend.
Pathetic Hoopster…

319 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:39pm

My wife and I were sitting at a table at my high school reunion, and
I kept staring at a drunken lady swigging her drink as she sat alone at a
nearby table.

My wife asked, ‘Do you know her?’

‘Yes,’ I sighed, ‘she’s my old girlfriend. I understand she took to
drinking right after we split up those many years ago and I hear she hasn’t been sober since.’

‘My God!’ says my wife, ‘Who would think a person could go on
celebrating that long?’

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:35:59pm

re: #302 Obdicut

There is a world’s of difference between whether something apparently happened and whether it’s alleged that it happened.

Can you explain what you think I should hypothetically apologize for in the future, if it turns out that Naked Rahm is one of the main negotiating tools in the administrations decks when they want to oust legislators? Being pedantic?

Is it less mean to have a clothed Rahm yell at legislators?

321 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:36:32pm

re: #315 Obdicut

agreed

322 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:36:35pm

re: #284 marjoriemoon

Well then you don’t fit my example and I think you knew that to begin with.

It began with a pretty broad brush. It’s a bit more acceptable, now that you’ve narrowed it down some, although I can’t say it matches my experience all that well.

323 reine.de.tout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:36:43pm

re: #268 Cato the Elder

OT: Got my new spectacles this morning. I can now read the monitor, see the keyboard, read the book next to the keyboard, and watch Haku out the back window, all without fumbling around for the right set of specs (which are always in another room of the house).

These miracles glasses are known as Progressives, of course. LOL!

Wow, are you way behind the times.
I went progressive ten years ago.

324 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:36:53pm

re: #320 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it less mean to have a clothed Rahm yell at legislators?

The whole episode is pretty LBJ-ish.

325 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:37:01pm

re: #302 Obdicut


Can you explain what you think I should hypothetically apologize for in the future, if it turns out that Naked Rahm is one of the main negotiating tools in the administrations decks when they want to oust legislators? Being pedantic?

Oh my. I know there’s a bit of serious debate going on here, not knocking that, but good grief, that’s one bizzare set of words and phrases to put together to paint the picture. :D

326 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:37:15pm

re: #324 EmmmieG

Hey, hey LBJ!

How many kids did you kill today?!

327 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:37:55pm

re: #278 Aceofwhat?

oh, there’s no question that i’m an anomaly;) whether my anomalies are endearing…well…

but more seriously, i have known people like the ones you describe and people like me. so i guess - sure - i might be an anomaly in this sense, but probably not as rare as you might think.

i am truly sorry that your experiences have been so consistently negative, though.

Negative how? That evangelists don’t go to gay clubs? I live in a multi-cultural city with lots and lots of various shades of brown people. My neighborhood is at least 30% gay which is why I moved there. The boys down the street are our best friends and watch our house and animals while we’re away. A job I woudn’t give to hardly anyone..

I get along fine with evangelists until they tell me I’m going to hell and try to save my Jewish sinning soul. Then they can F off.

When a married, religious, Senator is caught at a gay bar without his wife, he’s a gay man. People can think that’s a homophobic statement if they want to.

328 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:37:58pm

And now, to lighten the mood a little, some music* for straight conservative guys with families everywhere:

Youtube Video

*also one of my favourite current disco choons

329 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:38:15pm

re: #318 HoosierHoops

Aw, hoops, you’re probably good friends with a few gay guys without knowing they’re gay, if that helps!

It’s largely just social circles that you move in. I live in San Francisco, and have a lot of gay friends, both at work and outside of it, but this is San Francisco. Back in Boston, I had only two friends I knew were gay, both fellow bartenders. It’s not just you, man, it’s the circles you move in, the times you live in, and all the rest of it.

Don’t be too hard on yourself, Hoops.

330 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:38:16pm

re: #326 windsagio

Hey, hey LBJ!

How many kids did you kill today?!


I was thinking more of his habit of making aides follow him into the bathroom to get instructions while he was going #2. I always thought that was about making an alpha male point.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:38:38pm

re: #324 EmmmieG

The whole episode is pretty LBJ-ish.

It is, rather.

332 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:39:09pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

I was thinking more of his habit of making aides follow him into the bathroom to get instructions while he was going #2. I always thought that was about making an alpha male point.

Well, in a way…

333 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:39:27pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

Oh Totally. I just love that little chant for some reason >>

Isn’t he the one who said “I don’t trust a man, unless I have his pecker in my pocket”?

334 liberandos  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:39:45pm

Very curious about the motivation behind people with homosexual urges who find professions that put them in direct conflict with their desires.

What is the deal with this guy? From discussions with gay family members, being gay is not something one wakes up to, out of the blue one day. That is, the gay part is known to these men before they become “anti-gay”.

Everyone who sees this seems to think its the other way around, but he has always been gay, and knew he was gay. (Not that there is anything wrong with that…).

But why go into (conservative) politics? Why not simply find a profession that is neutral towards or even pro-gay? There are many to choose from…

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:39:55pm

re: #330 EmmmieG

I was thinking more of his habit of making aides follow him into the bathroom to get instructions while he was going #2. I always thought that was about making an alpha male point.

Didn’t the Sun King do that? Demanded his courtiers be in attendence while he used the royal potty?

336 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:39:59pm

re: #308 windsagio

I could care less if two adults in any combination want to get married.
House next door to me (for sale) was being shown. I was out in the yard when the prospects were walking around. Two guys. We chatted (about the sub division,,,, shopping/ restaurant access,,, etc) They asked me flat out if I would have a problem living next to a gay couple. I told them that I WOULD have a problem
IF
they didn’t keep the exterior of their property neat AND if they had any great parties if we weren’t invited!

(they bought the house ,, been GREAT neighbors for 3 years)

337 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:02pm

re: #305 EmmmieG

Keyboard cleanliness is actually a religious issue. Interesting. (Seriously, I find this interesting. Around here it’s just proof that the boys have been eating at the computer again.)

The issue is that you not only can not eat chametz, it is that you can not even have chametz in your possession. Chametz is any of seven types of grain that have been allowed to rise. Bread is a great example - and so are the crumbs.

So people go to great lengths to clean their houses before Passover in order to get rid of it. It is the origin of “spring cleaning” for the Christians.

Because giving things a deep and thorough cleaning is in of itself very meditative and requires a great deal of focus, the act of seriously we are not kidding cleaning your home fits very well with religious observance and it is indeed a kind of prayer to do so.

The sages of Israel - i.e. the guys in the Talmud on the one hand encourage this in as much as it makes one more spiritual and on the other discourage taking it to extremes that are even beyond OCD.

Even the sages put limits on how much is too much if only for the practical matter that at some point, you need to be able to start the holiday and focus on the holiday rather than worrying about getting ready for it.

That said, many get very into the cleaning very, very intently.

338 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:05pm

re: #259 lawhawk

Will you apologize should it turn out that Massa was right in his allegations that he was forced out by Rahm and the leadership over his stance the health care stuff.

Massa stepped down of his own volition, issuing a mea culpa in his resignation statement:

After I decided not to run again I was told, for the first time, that a member of my staff believed I had made statements that made him feel “uncomfortable.” I was told that a report had been filed with the Congressional Ethics Committee. At no point prior to this had any member of the Ethics Committee communicated with me directly - if fact I first read it on the internet.

I own this reality. There is no doubt in my mind that I did in fact, use language in the privacy of my own home and in my inner office that, after 24 years in the Navy, might make a Chief Petty Officer feel uncomfortable. In fact, there is no doubt that this Ethics issue is my fault and mine alone. But in the incredibly toxic atmosphere that is Washington D.C., with the destruction of our elected leaders having become a blood sport, especially in talk radio and on the internet, there is also no doubt that an Ethics investigation would tear my family and my staff apart. Some would say that this is what happens when you stand apart from political parties, which I have done. Others will say that this is what happens to a non politician when they go to Washington DC. I want to make something perfectly clear. My difficulties are of my own making. Period. I am also aware that blogs and radio will have a field day with this in today’s destructive and unforgiving political environment. In that investigators would be free to ask anything about me going back to my birth, I simply cannot rise to that level of perfection. God knows that I am a deeply flawed and imperfect person.

During long car rides, in the early hours of the evening, late at night and always in private, I know that my own language failed to meet the standards that I set for all around me and myself. I fell short and I believe now, as I have always believed, that it is not enough to simply talk the talk, but rather I must take action to hold myself accountable.

Therefore, effective at 5 PM on Monday the 8th of March I will resign my position as the Federal Representative of New York’s 29th Congressional District in the 111th Congress. I do so with a profound sense of failure and a deep apology to all those whom, for the past year, I tried to represent as our Nation struggles with problems far greater than anyone can possibly imagine. I hope that my family, constituents, and fellow Members of Congress can accept this apology as being both genuine and heartfelt and I wish for them and all Americans only the best. I will take all actions possible to ensure that my personal health is secured in that I know that mine is a far more fragile lifeline than most. For the millions of fellow cancer survivors with whom I share this experience, they, more than anyone else, will understand the honesty and openness in this statement.

There was also this from Politico:

But a Massa aide told POLITICO that Massa — who is married and has children — has been engaged in inappropriate behavior “for eight months.”

So what made Massa change his mind, after accepting full responsibility for his misconduct and resigning, to the charges being completely scurrilous and part of a grand conspiracy to force him out? Apparently it was blog posts and articles that described how his resignation made HCR easier to pass.

Massa sounds delusional.

339 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:24pm

Hot Air has the audio of Massa’s tirade. He’s claiming he was offered bribes and then framed when he refused to change his vote.

340 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:30pm

re: #325 Jadespring

Heh. Byzantine sentence structure is an inadvertent— though not wholly objectionable (to myself, at any rate)— side effect of the facile processes, quick systems, and unconscious-but-recognizable influences that affect my writing; I tend to write complexity into simple sentences by dint of, rather than in spite of, speed.

/it’s not above self-satire, though.

341 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:32pm

re: #318 HoosierHoops

You know what? I’m watching Invincible movie about football..And this thread has me thinking.. I have really known a gay guy as a friend.. I’ve known some dudes but never been friends with any of them.. Pathetic really…Like I would ever have sex with a guy but couldn’t find it within me to be a friend.
Pathetic Hoopster…

I’ll give you some phone numbers.

342 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:40:57pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

whats funny is you asked me for specific examples, and said you’d answer YES OR NO to them, and then when I provided 3 specific examples, you didn’t answer any of them.

343 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:41:15pm

re: #318 HoosierHoops

You know what? I’m watching Invincible movie about football..And this thread has me thinking.. I have really known a gay guy as a friend.. I’ve known some dudes but never been friends with any of them.. Pathetic really…Like I would ever have sex with a guy but couldn’t find it within me to be a friend.
Pathetic Hoopster…

don’t beat yourself up so much …… you probably HAVE been friends with gay guys, but they may not have wanted to reveal it to you. I work in a business with many lesbian women and I am friends with them, but almost NONE of them are “out.” So you may ask how I know they’re lesbians? I really don’t know for sure, but sometimes even straight people can have a bit of functioning “gaydar.” And I’m proud that they’re my friends. I always tell my kids that they should SEEK OUT friends who are different from them. Those relationships make us better, more empathetic people.

344 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:41:35pm

re: #328 Jimmah

And now, to lighten the mood a little, some music* for straight conservative guys with families everywhere:


[Video]*also one of my favourite current disco choons

Damn - a reliable source informs me this is blocked in the US. Here’s an alternative for anyone thus thwarted:

Youtube Video
345 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:41:46pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Looks like what I’d have to apologize for is going to be rather moot, though I’d still love to know what it is.

346 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:42:32pm

re: #344 Jimmah

man, all vocals are so overproduced these days.

Altho I guess its just the current trend.

347 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:42:35pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

I know…I know…but maybe if we repainted the entire kitchen, and then coated the newly painted walls with wallpaper, and then put the tinfoil on that? Only certified kasher le-pesach paint, wallpaper and tinfoil, mind you.

//Seriously. If you wouldn’t put in in your mouth, it’s no longer chametz.

I like the Ethiopian minhag—they move OUT of the house, and everyone camps in the village square during the holiday. You can do this in Ethiopia in early spring. Poland, not so much.

I love the Eithiopian minhag.

It doesn’t work so well in America either though…

You are a little off though on some Jewish legalities though. The Talmudic standard for “it has chametz in it, but is no longer considered chametz” is if even a dog would no longer eat it. Ink is the example most commonly used.

348 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:42:55pm

re: #257 LudwigVanQuixote

Serious question: Are you going to be eating off of your keyboard, and have you given it a good cleaning?

If you have given it a good cleaning, then just like the mishna that says that we do not check that a critter might have carried in chametz after we have cleaned - I really do not think you have an issue.

I’m not going to be eating on my keyboard but I do plan on using it. I found a brand new USB keyboard in my office and gave it to Zedushka, because he really does eat of his keyboard.

I like the bilingual keyboard as I find the little stickers can sometimes obliterate the letters underneath if the light reflects from them.

Maybe I will buy a new keyboard, I can buy it at the Zionist Mall and charge it to the foundation.

349 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:03pm

re: #329 Obdicut

Aw, hoops, you’re probably good friends with a few gay guys without knowing they’re gay, if that helps!

It’s largely just social circles that you move in. I live in San Francisco, and have a lot of gay friends, both at work and outside of it, but this is San Francisco. Back in Boston, I had only two friends I knew were gay, both fellow bartenders. It’s not just you, man, it’s the circles you move in, the times you live in, and all the rest of it.

Don’t be too hard on yourself, Hoops.

I grew up in Napa Valley..An hour north of you bro!
I was a kid when Harvey Milk got killed… Really sad..

350 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:19pm

re: #328 Jimmah

And now, to lighten the mood a little, some music* for straight conservative guys with families everywhere:


[Video]*also one of my favourite current disco choons

uhhh…straight conservative guys who can dance, thankyouverymuch…

351 What, me worry?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:20pm

re: #319 _RememberTonyC

My wife and I were sitting at a table at my high school reunion, and
I kept staring at a drunken lady swigging her drink as she sat alone at a
nearby table.

My wife asked, ‘Do you know her?’

‘Yes,’ I sighed, ‘she’s my old girlfriend. I understand she took to
drinking right after we split up those many years ago and I hear she hasn’t been sober since.’

‘My God!’ says my wife, ‘Who would think a person could go on
celebrating that long?’

See? Now that’s love.

352 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:30pm

re: #344 Jimmah

Damn - a reliable source informs me this is blocked in the US. Here’s an alternative for anyone thus thwarted:


[Video]

Not that reliable. :p

353 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:37pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t the Sun King do that? Demanded his courtiers be in attendence while he used the royal potty?

Not sure, but it sounds right.

354 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:50pm

This guy Massa is a jerk. Just another GOP health care obstructionist.

355 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:43:53pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Hot Air has the audio of Massa’s tirade. He’s claiming he was offered bribes and then framed when he refused to change his vote.

Wow. If it’s true he’s claiming that, there’s a quantum leap forward in seriousness. Interesting if an investigation occurs, and people go under oath. That’s where the rubber his the road. Barry Bonds, did you use performance enhancing drugs?

356 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:44:08pm

re: #338 simoom

Massa sounds delusional.


He’s sounding like a wingnut. I’m listening to the audio now. He’s claiming reconciliation will lead to “ripping this country apart” and even the famous “ramming this bill down our throats” line.

357 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:44:56pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

Oh man, that was a dark, dark day for this city, and for national politics. I really think he had the charisma and the attitude to push forwards gay rights faster than it actually happened.

The movie was great, by the way, see it if you haven’t.

358 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:00pm

re: #340 Obdicut

Heh. Byzantine sentence structure is an inadvertent— though not wholly objectionable (to myself, at any rate)— side effect of the facile processes, quick systems, and unconscious-but-recognizable influences that affect my writing; I tend to write complexity into simple sentences by dint of, rather than in spite of, speed.

/it’s not above self-satire, though.

Hee. :D

The main problem now is that I have a vision in my head of a serious strategy meeting.
“Alright Congressmen X is not cooperating. We’ve tried this. We’ve tried that.”
They all sit back with serious expressions contemplating what to do.
Finally one says quietly. “Well boys and girls. I think we have no choice. It’s time for a Naked Rahm”

359 darthstar  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:14pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

3 urinals in a bathroom, which do you use and why? Real men know the answer.

I always take the one next to someone else. I’m there to pee. If they get stage fright and freeze up, that’s their problem.

360 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:16pm

re: #337 LudwigVanQuixote

The issue is that you not only can not eat chametz, it is that you can not even have chametz in your possession. Chametz is any of seven types of grain that have been allowed to rise. Bread is a great example - and so are the crumbs.

So people go to great lengths to clean their houses before Passover in order to get rid of it. It is the origin of “spring cleaning” for the Christians.

Because giving things a deep and thorough cleaning is in of itself very meditative and requires a great deal of focus, the act of seriously we are not kidding cleaning your home fits very well with religious observance and it is indeed a kind of prayer to do so.

The sages of Israel - i.e. the guys in the Talmud on the one hand encourage this in as much as it makes one more spiritual and on the other discourage taking it to extremes that are even beyond OCD.

Even the sages put limits on how much is too much if only for the practical matter that at some point, you need to be able to start the holiday and focus on the holiday rather than worrying about getting ready for it.

That said, many get very into the cleaning very, very intently.

Would taking apart the keyboad with a jeweler’s screwdriver and giving it a good cleaning count?

361 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:20pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t the Sun King do that? Demanded his courtiers be in attendence while he used the royal potty?

Buck Strickland, on King of the Hill, used to have meetings in the men’s room when he was on the throne. Or at least one time he did.

362 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:38pm

OT: This is one reason why Ford is rapidly building market share - they work hard to anticipate future trends and get their ducks in a row early, sometimes before customers even know there’s a need.

363 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:45:54pm

re: #356 Killgore Trout

Do you have a link to the full radio program? When I went to listen to it the host was out of bandwidth.

364 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:46:01pm

re: #337 LudwigVanQuixote

My greatest shock, my first year in Israel, was learning beer is bread.

365 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:46:17pm

re: #359 darthstar

It’s a condition, you insensitive jerk!

366 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:46:20pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Hot Air has the audio of Massa’s tirade. He’s claiming he was offered bribes and then framed when he refused to change his vote.

well, the bribes part makes sense. what were they offering to Massachusetts union members, if not a bribe?

367 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:46:56pm

re: #359 darthstar

I just try to avoid bruising others when I shake.

//

368 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:30pm

re: #348 Alouette

I’m not going to be eating on my keyboard but I do plan on using it. I found a brand new USB keyboard in my office and gave it to Zedushka, because he really does eat of his keyboard.

I like the bilingual keyboard as I find the little stickers can sometimes obliterate the letters underneath if the light reflects from them.

Maybe I will buy a new keyboard, I can buy it at the Zionist Mall and charge it to the foundation.

So we know that I am not a rabbi. I would never demand that you accept my poskin. However, I would respectfully ask that you ask your rabbi before going to that length. I would suggest that if you can afford a new not cheap keyboard, doing the mitzvah of tzedukkah with the extra money is likely going to carry a bigger reward.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:45pm

re: #358 Jadespring

Hee. :D

The main problem now is that I have a vision in my head of a serious strategy meeting.
“Alright Congressmen X is not cooperating. We’ve tried this. We’ve tried that.”
They all sit back with serious expressions contemplating what to do.
Finally one says quietly. “Well boys and girls. I think we have no choice. It’s time for a Naked Rahm”

The problem is that, being me, I think a Naked Rahm would be a GOOD thing. Of course, in my imaginary scenario, he is not yelling at me…

370 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:45pm

re: #342 windsagio

whats funny is you asked me for specific examples, and said you’d answer YES OR NO to them, and then when I provided 3 specific examples, you didn’t answer any of them.

{sigh}

Okay ,,, I don’t know what the “McDonall VA ‘thing’” is
DC,,, answered in my I could care less if two adults in any combination want to get married. (and “married” in ALL it’s meanings and bennies)
Prop 8 ,,, again, answerd in my I could care less if two adults in any combination want to get married.

SO ,,,, the answers were there ,, you just decided not to see them

371 SixDegrees  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:53pm

re: #366 Aceofwhat?

well, the bribes part makes sense. what were they offering to Massachusetts union members, if not a bribe?

It’s not polite to call them “bribes.” They’re more like “incentives.” /

372 iceweasel  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:58pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

No one’s ‘pawning him off’ on you. The discussion was about how he’s going to be extremely popular now working the wingnut circuit, and knows it. See upthread about his gig on Beck tomorrow.

373 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:47:59pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

My greatest shock, my first year in Israel, was learning beer is bread.

Dogfish Head Stout. Drinking bread in a glass. Absolutely delicious, and very potent!

374 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:48:18pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn’t the Sun King do that? Demanded his courtiers be in attendence while he used the royal potty?

As I understand it, the Groom of the Stool was the highest paid and most prestigious position under the English monarchy:

The position was an especially prized one, as it allowed one unobstructed access to the King’s attention.[4] David Starkey writes: “The Groom of the Stool had (to our eyes) the most menial tasks; his standing, though, was the highest … Clearly then, the royal body service must have been seen as entirely honorable, without a trace of the demeaning or the humiliating.”[5] Further, “the mere word of the Gentleman of the Privy Chamber was sufficient evidence in itself of the king’s will,” and the Groom of the Stool bore “the indefinable charisma of the monarchy.”[6]

375 Jadespring  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:48:27pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL

376 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:48:29pm

re: #364 Decatur Deb

My greatest shock, my first year in Israel, was learning beer is bread.

Would you believe that leavened grains applies to liquid form too!

377 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:48:47pm

re: #355 cliffster

Wow. If it’s true he’s claiming that, there’s a quantum leap forward in seriousness. Interesting if an investigation occurs, and people go under oath. That’s where the rubber his the road. Barry Bonds, did you use performance enhancing drugs?

Nah, we’ve become accustomed to these bogus claims because they’ve become so common. Imagine if Obama really had closed all the Republican owned car dealerships. Or used the White House website to confiscate citizen’s personal computers. Glenn Beck goes on TV every night and talks about how he’s exposed a secret 100 year old plot to destroy the US. Nobody is going to seriously investigate these things.

378 webevintage  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:49:25pm

The Rhamn story is awesome in its craziness and I cannot wait to see two dudes in a shower on SNL next week.

379 windsagio  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:49:35pm

I’m out, lunchtime >

380 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:49:39pm

re: #359 darthstar

I always take the one next to someone else. I’m there to pee. If they get stage fright and freeze up, that’s their problem.

hilarious.

although if you notice, it’s your problem/

381 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:49:49pm

re: #357 Obdicut

Oh man, that was a dark, dark day for this city, and for national politics. I really think he had the charisma and the attitude to push forwards gay rights faster than it actually happened.

The movie was great, by the way, see it if you haven’t.

I was a teen when that happened….Those were dark days my friends..
/Of course I saw the movie!

382 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:50:05pm

re: #362 SixDegrees

OT: This is one reason why Ford is rapidly building market share - they work hard to anticipate future trends and get their ducks in a row early, sometimes before customers even know there’s a need.

Some very cool features

383 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:50:30pm

re: #363 simoom

Do you have a link to the full radio program? When I went to listen to it the host was out of bandwidth.

Hmmm, the only sites I can find are all on the “do not link” list on LGF. Try Breitbart.

384 webevintage  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:50:40pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is that, being me, I think a Naked Rahm would be a GOOD thing. Of course, in my imaginary scenario, he is not yelling at me…

Not kidding…unless I have been naughty and he is telling me strong words how very, very naughty I have been.

385 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:51:11pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Would taking apart the keyboad with a jeweler’s screwdriver and giving it a good cleaning count?

You could do that but why bother when you can buy a new keyboard?

I was thinking of just doing the air cleaning but I have decided to buy a new keyboard after all.

386 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:06pm

re: #368 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #348 Alouette

If you can stand the irony of getting rabbinical advice from an Irish ex-Catholic, I remember that ownership of chametz, according to some schools, was avoided by selling and re-buying stocks for a symbolic sum.

387 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:15pm

re: #360 EmmmieG

Would taking apart the keyboad with a jeweler’s screwdriver and giving it a good cleaning count?

I know people who do just that. My standard is that if I have made an honest attempt to clean as best I can and that if somehow hidden out of sight in a place I can not and do not usually access, and that I do not know about, nor would any person reasonably expect interact with, is a molecule of chametz, then I am not in violation.

The phrasing of that statement actually carries a great deal of Talmudic argument behind it as well.

The debate comes from when enough is enough.

388 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:22pm

Well, folks, time for me to head home to my better half. Y’all have a great evening!

389 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:24pm

fabulous news

390 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:42pm

re: #381 HoosierHoops

I was a teen when that happened…Those were dark days my friends..
/Of course I saw the movie!

OK …. I’ll be the first to mention the “Twinkie Defense” that dan white used in his trial. These days, it kind of has a double meaning.

391 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:52:58pm

re: #277 Gus 802

Socialist spectacles!

In their heyday, the socialists used to put on some really good spectacles.

Being evil, I particularly enjoyed the show trials. With ice dancers!

392 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:53:33pm

re: #385 Alouette

You could do that but why bother when you can buy a new keyboard?

I was thinking of just doing the air cleaning but I have decided to buy a new keyboard after all.

Because every keyboard that broke in the last few years was your fault? And you don’t want to have to admit you broke anyother one?

(Hot chocolate. Broken galileo thermometer.)

393 Jimmah  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:53:40pm

re: #346 windsagio

man, all vocals are so overproduced these days.

Altho I guess its just the current trend.

For contrast, here’s a raw live performance from some old timers of the music scene:

Youtube Video

;-)

394 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:54:19pm

re: #386 Decatur Deb

re: #348 Alouette

If you can stand the irony of getting rabbinical advice from an Irish ex-Catholic, I remember that ownership of chametz, according to some schools, was avoided by selling and re-buying stocks for a symbolic sum.

Ohh it still is. However, if she sold her keyboard after declaring it chametz, she would not be able to use it over the holiday.

395 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:54:38pm

re: #378 webevintage

The Rhamn story is awesome in its craziness and I cannot wait to see two dudes in a shower on SNL next week.

they’ve really kept up well…this last week’s sketch on the HCR was hilarious

396 HoosierHoops  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:54:48pm

re: #390 _RememberTonyC

OK … I’ll be the first to mention the “Twinkie Defense” that dan white used in his trial. These days, it kind of has a double meaning.

LOL
Great one Tony!

397 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:55:27pm

re: #391 Cato the Elder

In their heyday, the socialists used to put on some really good spectacles.

Being evil, I particularly enjoyed the show trials. With ice dancers!

“Ya know, without my spectacles on, I can’t tell the difference between bits and fleas….Not that a flea is gonna be wearing my spectacles”

-Vivian, The Young Ones

398 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:55:37pm

re: #396 HoosierHoops

LOL
Great one Tony!

Thank you, my brother!

399 cliffster  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:55:45pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Nah, we’ve become accustomed to these bogus claims because they’ve become so common. Imagine if Obama really had closed all the Republican owned car dealerships. Or used the White House website to confiscate citizen’s personal computers. Glenn Beck goes on TV every night and talks about how he’s exposed a secret 100 year old plot to destroy the US. Nobody is going to seriously investigate these things.

This is an actual congressman though.

400 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #359 darthstar

I have only one rule when visiting public restrooms: Use. The. Stall.

Why? A friend of mine, very handy in a street fight, got the shit kicked out of him while using a urinal. As he was recounting the tale, it was then that I realized just how vulnerable a man can be when he is facing a wall, with his dick in his hand and his back to the door.

401 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:56:10pm

re: #385 Alouette

You could do that but why bother when you can buy a new keyboard?

I was thinking of just doing the air cleaning but I have decided to buy a new keyboard after all.

If that makes you feel better go right ahead. We do not criticize a holy people. However, I really respectfully ask that you ask your rabbi if that is really necessary. The funds involved could almost certainly be used in a better way.

If on the other hand you are tired of your old keyboard, that is another matter.

402 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:56:33pm

re: #390 _RememberTonyC

A lot of people don’t know he wasn’t killed for being gay.

And that the jury was stacked and his killer got off with manslaughter.

I’m glad the film did so well. His story deserves to be told.

403 webevintage  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:56:36pm

I personally hope that the naked Rahm story is true, it just makes him more covered in awesome sauce in my book.
Now that is a man who will go to bat for his President.

404 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:57:52pm

re: #391 Cato the Elder

In their heyday, the socialists used to put on some really good spectacles.

Being evil, I particularly enjoyed the show trials. With ice dancers!

Addendum: Ice dancers dressed as weasels!

405 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:58:53pm

re: #404 Cato the Elder

Addendum: Ice dancers dressed as weasels!

would that make them Ice Weasels!?!?

HEY ,, YOU posted it !!!

//

406 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 1:59:59pm

re: #402 Obdicut

A lot of people don’t know he wasn’t killed for being gay.

And that the jury was stacked and his killer got off with manslaughter.

I’m glad the film did so well. His story deserves to be told.

Right after I saw the film “Milk,” I asked a very good friend who happens to be a famous ex basketball player from the ‘70’s and ‘80’s if he liked going to movies. He said he rarely goes to movies but asked me what I saw. I told him I saw “Milk.” And he matter of fact told me “Oh, I knew Harvey.” I guess he didn’t need to see the movie.

407 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:00:38pm

re: #400 Slumbering Behemoth

I have only one rule when visiting public restrooms: Use. The. Stall.

Why? A friend of mine, very handy in a street fight, got the shit kicked out of him while using a urinal. As he was recounting the tale, it was then that I realized just how vulnerable a man can be when he is facing a wall, with his dick in his hand and his back to the door.

yikes. what sort of place and what sort of activity combine to yield a situation where a guy will attack you while peeing?

408 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:02:12pm

re: #399 cliffster

This is an actual congressman though.

Not sure if that makes a difference. Ron Paul claimed that there was a secret CIA coup and that the Fed was secretly manipulating world markets to creat disasters. Mechelle Bachmann claims there are “in school sex clinics” teaching preschoolers how to have “bathroom sex” and the art of “fisting”. I sort of doubt anyone (aside from Fox News) is going to take this any more seriously.

409 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:04:31pm

re: #401 LudwigVanQuixote

If that makes you feel better go right ahead. We do not criticize a holy people. However, I really respectfully ask that you ask your rabbi if that is really necessary. The funds involved could almost certainly be used in a better way.

If on the other hand you are tired of your old keyboard, that is another matter.

I regard keyboards as essentially disposable objects and consider it perfectly OK to replace keyboard at least once a year, as a business expense.

410 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:04:46pm

re: #407 Aceofwhat?

Well, lets just say that if you’re gonna get into an alcohol fueled argument with someone, don’t let ‘em catch you with your pants down.

411 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:09:20pm

re: #399 cliffster

This is an actual congressman though.

An actual congressman who publicly admitted he was deeply flawed and that he’d behaved inappropriately, that his problems were all of his own making, that he was resigning in order to hold himself accountable for his actions and to avoid the ethics investigation. He resigned “with a profound sense of failure and a deep apology to” his family, constituents, and fellow members of Congress.

I just don’t get how gets around his mea culpa resignation statement when pursuing this new narrative of a political conspiracy forcing his ouster through a scurrilous harassment allegation.

412 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:10:20pm

time to head home …….. g’day all

413 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:11:01pm

Rahm Emanuel should be breaking fingers (figuratively).


His father was of Irgun in Israel. They know how to operate.

That is how Israel kicked ass in the Six Day War.

414 Cato the Elder  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:11:12pm

re: #323 reine.de.tout

Wow, are you way behind the times.
I went progressive ten years ago.

I went that route in 2004. This is my first updated prescription since then. Thanks to a benefactor who shall remain nameless.

There’s a pic up on Facebook, if you want to see them.

415 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:12:45pm

re: #413 Linden Arden

Rahm Emanuel should be breaking fingers (figuratively).

His father was of Irgun in Israel. They know how to operate.

That is how Israel kicked ass in the Six Day War.

But he does not share his father’s enthusiasm for Israel.

Just sayin’

416 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:13:24pm

What I want to know is why hadn’t he been outed?. Here is an anti-gay politician who wasn’t really in the closet hanging out at gay nightclubs in Sacto. He had to have been recognized by the clientele. Had to have been. Ted Haggard got outed by a prostitute. Why wasn’t this guy outed by someone who saw him at the clubs?

417 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:16:02pm

re: #415 Alouette

But he does not share his father’s enthusiasm for Israel.

Just sayin’

Back to the other point, we do not knock a hole in our wall in order to clean the space between the walls on the chance that a critter carried some chametz back there. The keyboard, once cleaned is in my opinion in the same category.

418 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:17:11pm

re: #416 Olsonist

What I want to know is why hadn’t he been outed?. Here is an anti-gay politician who wasn’t really in the closet hanging out at gay nightclubs in Sacto. He had to have been recognized by the clientele. Had to have been. Ted Haggard got outed by a prostitute. Why wasn’t this guy outed by someone who saw him at the clubs?

There are a few militant gays who will out people but a lot of people in the gay community are living double lives so it’s common courtesy to be discrete. It could also get somebody fired or cost them a career. Most people keep their mouths shut.

419 Linden Arden  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:22:28pm

re: #416 Olsonist

What I want to know is why hadn’t he been outed?. Here is an anti-gay politician who wasn’t really in the closet hanging out at gay nightclubs in Sacto. He had to have been recognized by the clientele. Had to have been. Ted Haggard got outed by a prostitute. Why wasn’t this guy outed by someone who saw him at the clubs?

Why is being outed important?

David ‘the Diaper Shitter’ Vitter was outed with prostitutes.

Yet he remains as Senator. There is no outpouring of concern from constituents.

Just asking - I have no interest.

420 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:23:32pm

re: #418 Killgore Trout

I understand the discretion argument, which would certainly apply in an ordinary case. But this guy was an anti-gay politician. It doesn’t make sense to me; granted I’m not in that community, but it really just doesn’t make sense.

421 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:27:23pm

re: #419 Linden Arden

Outing isn’t impeachment, but outing means people like me can laugh at him. The only reason there weren’t more David Vitter jokes was that the Larry Craig case was funnier.

422 doubter4444  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:37:58pm

re: #399 cliffster

This is an actual congressman though.

He’s a nutter.
The far right is going to try to milk it for all it’s worth, but that ain’t much.
I suspect the real story is the simplest:
As Politico mentioned, he’s been doing it a lot and the Dem leadership want to get out in front so as not to get Foleyed.
It’s a ODS wet dream to think the WH really pressured him to the point of resigning his seat.
I mean as ridiculous as it is, look at in one way: the risk/reward ratio is way, way low, he’s a nothing rep but he’s their nothing rep. They are not going to kill him for not voting the way they want.

423 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:43:15pm

re: #421 Olsonist

How about this:

What good would outing do, for either him or the gay community?

424 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:56:54pm

From the Washington Independent:

Today, Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) is arguing that Democrats are conspiring to force him out of Congress.

This isn’t the first time he’s used that line.

Back when Massa, a former Navy officer, identified as a Republican, he served as an aide to the GOP majority on the House Armed Services Committee. But, he claims now, things turned sour over his stance on the war in Iraq. From Massa’s House website:

When the planning for the Iraq War began, Congressman Massa opposed the flawed strategy being set forth by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his allies in Congress. For standing up against the failed pre-war planning, Mr. Massa was forced out in 2003.

So I guess Massa can now claim the distinction of having been ‘forced’ out of both parties?

425 simoom  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:58:49pm

And this ends the “will he or won’t he” speculation:

Former Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY) submitted his letters of resignation to the House and the state of New York, officially vacating his office at 5 p.m. ET today.

Kyle Anderson, communications director for the Committee on House Administration, confirmed to TPM that Massa’s resignation has taken effect, under the rules of procedure, though it will still have to be formally read before the House tomorrow. “Being laid before the House tomorrow is essentially the formal element, but the actual resignation is triggered by the letter to the state,” said Anderson.

426 oldegeezr  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 3:14:58pm

OT: My apologies; but writing and speaking of hypocrisy, this has just gotta be right up there…

Shannon Montgomery—-Calgary — The Canadian Press Published on Sunday, Mar. 07, 2010 10:05AM EST Last updated on Sunday, Mar. 07, 2010 1:58PM EST
“…Sarah Palin drew a straight line from Alaska to Alberta as she told a sold-out, largely adoring crowd in Calgary that the province gets her message of less government, lower taxes and development of natural resources…[later she said]… She paid tribute to Canada’s men’s hockey win, noting that the U.S. men’s silver is nothing to sneeze at.

“Second place isn’t that bad. I’ve been there.”

“The vocal opponent of health-care reform in the U.S. steered largely clear of the topic except to reveal a tidbit about her life growing up not far from Whitehorse.

“We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada,” she said.“And I think now, isn’t that ironic?”

Ironic? That’s the height of hypocrisy, Sarah!

Some questions might be…did you have lousy Docs in the Alaskan boondocks? Did you lack medical insurance and couldn’t afford the local Docs? Were the Canadian public health care facilities, physicians and procedures just better than what you could receive in Alaska?

Ironic my boney arse…that remark requires some kind of immediate, carefully spun, political CYA…you’re a total and complete, despicable, hypocrite…

Kiss my grits, Ms Palin…!

427 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 3:15:18pm

re: #423 Obdicut

This guy was doing damage to the gay community. Outing him, his political career would have been over and he would have done less damage. That seems a good thing to me. I’m not gay but I don’t see the advantage to affording someone the protection that discretion gives who is at the same time damaging them.

I don’t get this at all and I think less of gays for it.

428 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 3:30:44pm

re: #427 Olsonist

Outing him, his political career would have been over and he would have done less damage.

Is there any reason to believe his replacement won’t vote exactly the same way?

429 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 3:48:20pm

re: #428 Obdicut

Maybe, maybe not. I think a lot of the rabidly comically anti-gay politicians ARE in the closet, over compensating or whatever, covering for themselves. Take away the cover that the gay community gives and I think it would be a smaller less vocal fringe group. It would send a message to other closeted gay politicians, of whom there are certainly more, that they can’t vote one way in public and act another in private.

430 torrentprime  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 4:27:43pm

re: #427 Olsonist

This guy was doing damage to the gay community. Outing him, his political career would have been over and he would have done less damage. That seems a good thing to me. I’m not gay but I don’t see the advantage to affording someone the protection that discretion gives who is at the same time damaging them.

I don’t get this at all and I think less of gays for it.

Late to the party, but…

Ashburn was outed. Last year, on Facebook. (No one in the gay mafia respects the closet when it comes to anti-gay pols, and they shouldn’t.) No one cared until the DUI.

431 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 4:28:33pm

re: #429 Olsonist

It would send a message to other closeted gay politicians, of whom there are certainly more, that they can’t vote one way in public and act another in private.

It seems to me he acted the way he voted; as though being gay was a shameful secret best hidden.

I don’t think adding another level of fear to being gay will really help.

432 Jaerik  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 4:55:35pm

His “I was just representing the views of my constituents” defense is even more damning, in my opinion. Nobody forced him to become a representative of constituents he claims to disagree with, and hide that fact for years.

The defense only works if you think it’s okay for a politician to lie about his beliefs, and lie to his constituents, to cement his own position of power.

433 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:14:07pm

re: #431 Obdicut

It seems to me he acted the way he voted; as though being gay was a shameful secret best hidden.

I don’t think adding another level of fear to being gay will really help.

I appreciate your explaining to me what you think. I don’t agree that he should be given any protection, but then again I was asking to understand something I didn’t necessarily agree with.

434 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:22:39pm

re: #433 Olsonist

Fair enough. Privacy is one of the largest issues for me, and like free speech, I think it’s most important to protect the privacy of those we find objectionable or disagree with.

I do think it was terribly unethical of him to hide his orientation— and he didn’t just ‘not reveal it’, he hid it— I just don’t think that ‘outing’ achieves much.

435 firstinla  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:33:06pm

To the person who commented up thread: Sen. Roy Ashburn is from Bakersfield, CA, Roman Catholic, divorced, the father of two daughters. I have worked on his various campaigns and have to say hearing the revelations about him the past few days has been like getting punched in the gut. It isn’t so much shocking as it is tremendously disappointing. I look back at conversations we’ve had and now have to try to figure out what else he was lying about. How pathetic.

436 Olsonist  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #434 Obdicut

Interesting. I’m huge on free speech but less so on privacy, mostly owing to changes in modern life.

But where do you draw the line on privacy? Suppose Joe is a bartender at a public gay bar that Ashburn frequents. What duty does Joe owe Ashburn with respect to privacy in this public place? If Joe knows Ashburn and Ashburn tells Joe he’s gay, then I understand there may be some duty owed. But when Ashburn walks into the club I would think his claim to privacy goes out the window.

437 Obdicut  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 5:37:57pm

re: #436 Olsonist

I’m rushing out of work, so I hope we can revisit this at a later time. The point is well-taken, though.

438 TedStriker  Mon, Mar 8, 2010 9:48:29pm

re: #50 Gus 802

Massa is about to face ethics investigation regarding sexual harassment charges and days later resigns blaming it on cancer. Further blames it on “political correctness” of the complainant. Days later he further move the goal posts by turning all attention to Rahm Emanuel. Claims he was “set-up.”

Film @ 11.

“The b*tch set me up!”

/the Marion Barry defense ;-P

439 Vambo  Tue, Mar 9, 2010 11:41:59am

all I can say is, as a homophobe-hating homo:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

@ Roy Assburn.


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